2025.08.27: Those Without Sn

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She's desperately trying to keep a cat happy and not scared by that intro.

Again, Birds had Azure Bird.

I'm doing my best to keep him calm.

He is sitting next to me today and he's very sweet.

And no matter how much we try to explain to him that this is what we do every day, and there's always shouting.

Oh, no, there he goes.

Come here, come here, buddy.

Come over by me.

The shouting part's over.

No more shouting.

Promise.

It's all just TED Talk drops from this point.

Screen that mushroom.

Usually he just goes bolting whenever we do the intro.

Hey, everybody, it is Wednesday.

You made it to the middle of the week.

How?

How do we all make it to the middle of the week?

But here we are.

We all decided on Monday, we're like, you know what?

Let's all meet up on Wednesday.

And we did it.

So congrats to everybody.

Let's just everyone check in with each other on Wednesday.

Ashley and I are off to a very important meeting today.

We have our immigration biometrics appointment.

So we're getting our biometrics takes.

Basically, we have like face ID, but for a country.

I was trying to explain because the kids have to be part of it as well.

They have to do it.

And I was trying to explain to Finn what a biometric is.

Yeah.

I was like, it's, uh, it's like, you know, like you, see how you have lines on your fingers?

It's like taking prints of that because everyone's a star, and you know, trying to explain it to him.

And there's a lot you learn about explaining things in general when you have to try to explain something to a six-year-old.

It's scary the stuff that he's talking to me about.

I can't even remember, but there was something today where I was like, how the heck does he know even the concept of that?

And it just has how it starts, man.

And then you get somebody like JD's age and you're lecturing me about politics.

And he's right like 90% of of the time

it's like the it all turns eventually Ashley it all turns biometrics is a word that probably entered my life at a very specific point and I don't know when that was like I didn't know what biometrics was when I was 18 years old biometrics I feel like that's probably something that I first encountered in like some sci-fi novel and was like wow that's so futuristic no no no way that'll ever be the case we had fingerprints

and then in movies, they had the retinal scan, which they actually do have that now, right?

You can do the retinal scan now, right?

They do.

That was total sci-fi, though.

There's also things they're doing now.

I guess this is like sort of a new but growing thing where people are implanting NFC readers under their skin.

Not many people, right?

Readers?

Yeah, like a chip.

Yeah, like an NFC chip of some kind.

I was going to say, is that something you'd do?

Imagine never being able to forget your credit card again.

well no after the experience this week i'm trying to use my apple watch which is supposed to work you know that's it feels like a good test for that no i don't want to have a chip in my body that doesn't work on a regular basis no thanks or it's like could you get like credit cards skimmed Oh, right.

If someone just like shakes your hand and they've got a reader in their hand and you've got a chip in yours and like, gotcha.

I mean, I love it.

You're an optimist.

Like, I'm ever shaking someone's hand.

But that's one of those, I just want to get people's honest reaction pranks that's going around these days.

Have you seen this?

Yeah, it's a handshaking thing it's the um like the noise of a transaction like when you get a successful uh like nfc paint into it he goes

you know that noise yeah so what people will do is someone's holding their phone in their hand in a public space and they'll walk up with their phone put it next to that person's phone and then play that sound right which then people go like what was that and they want to free people out like they're like they just took money from their phone or whatever reaction streamers are an interesting breed of people just like in general, right?

The kind of people who have absolutely no trouble making the biggest possible scene in public for the lols.

They're just called hacks, dude.

That's what they are.

They've been hacks.

They've always been hacks all along.

People just don't have any discernible talent.

So they want attention and they want fame and they think that unto itself is the goal.

And so they do whatever they can to get it.

I guess that's so.

There's a thing that's been in the news about that sort of thing the last couple of days

about kick, which is, I guess, where Twitch rejects go

because they do so little policing of content, where a French streamer died in his sleep while on stream after, like,

I don't know, like a 10-day marathon of abuse from two other streamers.

Wait, what?

You didn't hear about this?

No, this is not at all the kick thing I thought you were going to talk about.

I thought you were going to talk about the UFC fighter, Rampage Jackson.

His son was in a...

Yeah, that's another one.

Yeah, minor league wrestling thing.

What do you even call that?

It's not like it's like it's not backyard wrestling, but it's like one step above it.

It's it's like WWE, but it's like WWZ.

But it's like, but it's like WWE's like indie arm kind of thing.

So yeah, like it's not, there's no affiliation.

This is just dudes like doing it in like where there's like a livestock show one week and the next week they're wrestling in that place.

Yeah.

So yeah, that was Raja Jackson, I think, who, yeah, basically went into a wrestling match and punched someone, knocked them out, and then like beat the crap out of them while live on kick.

Yeah, while he was streaming, I guess, on kick.

Also, streaming is something, can we just say streaming should not be something you do while you move.

That's the simple rule.

Streaming should be in a bedroom.

You should have a couple of those little neon hexagons behind you on the wall.

Maybe a shelf with some figurines on it.

Maybe like a hanging plant.

If you're out in public, like it should shut down.

There should be like if you're going over one mile an hour, all live streams should stop.

What's there's no reason for that.

There's no reason to be moving and streaming at the same time.

Right.

Like if

I can't be a passenger in a car and access more than the base turn-by-turn information on Google Maps because it's plugged into CarPlay, you can't be streaming.

Right.

What is a good scenario in which a person is out in public or moving in general outside their bedroom and they are streaming?

What would be the purpose of that?

Fitness streamers?

streamers, yeah, but then they lock that camera down.

They could have a music festival, lock that camera down, stream events and stuff like that.

No, yeah, you see that, but like the minute they do that, someone is going to like hack their phone or uh put out

what do you want to bet?

This is a call from America.

That is, why are they calling at this time of day?

Well, it's not, it's not let's answer it and find out.

Okay, hello.

Hello,

It's no one.

They just skimmed your e-reader.

What is that?

They just skimmed your NFC card.

How can they call me and there's nobody there?

Well, it's because it's taking a bot a second to connect, right, to realize that you picked up and

you're a bot.

Yeah, so what it is, is the person is sitting there.

I used to work in call center.

So the person is sitting at their desk and their phone rings like you called them and it's just the robo-dollar connecting you.

But still, that five-second pause, not acceptable in 2025.

That should be so much faster now.

No, by by the time it actually connects you to the person and like they, it rings for them and they answer, you've hung up.

You're gone.

You already know it's a sales call or something you don't want to talk about and you're gone.

Yeah.

If it take, if there's any of that delay, you're gone.

By the way, Peter,

I, because I did that job, I am so nice to those people.

Like, which is weird because I think you fall in one of two camps as a person.

When you used to do a job, you either are very nice to the people who then have that job after you, or you're a complete fucking asshole to the people who had that job after you.

You're like, take your lumps.

Right, right.

Like, I I used to work at Chipotle.

You know what I mean?

Like, what is with people?

It's usually, I gotta say, it's a lot of people in the service industry are like that.

You know, like, I used to wait tables and I'm gonna give this person hell, blah, blah, blah.

They're a piece of shit and whatever.

It's like, God damn, dude.

Chill up.

Well, it's like, I had to take the abuse.

Now it's your turn.

Right, right.

It does seem like either that or like, I know how hard it is.

So I'm going to be nice to them.

They get the big tips.

Yeah, they're not, I know what they're just working.

Like, they're not making the policy, right?

They're not choosing what program they're dialing on today.

They're just, they're just like showing up to work, they're watching the clock and waiting for their fucking 15-minute break.

I know exactly what that's.

Yeah, and they're probably miserable because none of those jobs are like a job that you're like, you know what I want to do when I grow up?

I want to work in a call center.

Well, take it easy over there, pal.

It's the thing.

It's reliable work, right?

And it's work that like you can do without needing like a degree and stuff, but it's not fun work.

They are the backbone of this society, actually.

They keep people running.

The reason why your parents don't call you every 20 minutes with a tech problem is there's some nice person on text, but they're answering the same goddamn question for the billionth time.

That's not true at all.

My parents aren't calling me, asking me for tech advice because I look at their problem and go, Yeah, I'm sorry.

I don't know anything about that.

I am the least tech-savvy tech person that any of them have ever met, as far as they're concerned.

But this Raja Jackson, is that his name, Raja?

I think so, yeah.

He is a, I have only seen him.

It's so funny because his dad is a really famous fighter.

So I was just seen Rampage Jackson's son.

And Rampage Jackson himself has a ton of stuff from interviews that has gone viral for all the wrong reasons over many, many years.

But there was an altercation with this wrestler in the parking lot.

And it's kind of an interesting thing to watch.

I'm not a wrestling fan myself.

I know a lot of people who listen to this podcast like wrestling because a lot of people in general like wrestling.

But they were out in the parking lot and this dude hit him in the side of the head with a beer can.

And like all the dudes around him, he was i guess he was making a special appearance this jackson kid and all the other wrestlers like hey he's not a worker like they were using a lot of lingo like hey man what are you doing chill out he's not a worker like he doesn't know you can hit him in the side of the head with a beer can he can take it in a certain way like they were saying that like what the fuck are you doing to this guy and then i guess jackson was walking around fuming about that and mad but then other footage came out that showed that they like made up before they went in the ring together and they shook hands and like settled it and everything but then he goes in there and he does this slam on this guy slams him down from his shoulder, slams him straight down onto the canvas on the back of his head.

The guy's clearly out immediately.

And then by all the estimates that I've seen, he lands over 20 punches on him while the guy is unconscious.

He's just wailing on him.

And it was so bad, there was like a long period of time there.

like a day and a half when people didn't even know if the guy was still alive or not.

Like there were conflicting reports as to whether he was alive, whether he was in critical condition, whether he was completely paralyzed and crippled for life.

I think all that's leading to just a massive lawsuit.

And then he got banned from kick.

Like, that's of all the things, like, how about jail?

That's uh, and this, this other thing with this uh French guy who died on stream.

Explain this to me, please.

Yeah, so this was, um, I guess there's, he was, like, part of this group of streamers, uh, and they basically got a lot of- I hate it already.

This, uh, think of it as like one of those, like, I guess, lad houses, right?

Um, where it's like a bunch of streamers that all like collab all the time.

This dude looks like a 40-year-old French dude in a cafe, like they would make fun of tourists.

This doesn't look like a dude who'd be in a lad's house.

Well, I guess he's been streaming with them for a while, and they must have had escalating attention for basically doing like more and more horrific things to this dude, like strangulation,

sleep deprivation.

Oh, yeah, like

really like.

It's like shitty stuff.

It's full-on abuse stuff.

Like the kind of stuff that when I read about it, it's like, I always put things into the context of like sci-fi again, but if this was in a sci-fi novel, I would be like, come on, this world building is too like on the nose for like, wow, people are awful, right?

But this is stuff that was actually happening on these streams.

Anyway, this guy died in his sleep while on stream.

So the...

He died in his sleep while on stream.

There's so much to unpack there.

He was asleep on stream.

Yes.

And then died.

Yes.

Okay.

And then of what?

It says an autopsy concluded there were no signs of external or

internal trauma, suggesting his death may have been linked to medical or toxicological issues.

Because they did have a lot of people.

When they find the toxicological issue in an autopsy, what are they not screening for that stuff?

Well, maybe they're just like not entirely sure of the details yet, but they're not like, well, we can tell he wasn't stabbed.

I was just about to say stabbed.

Like, what does this autopsy cover?

It doesn't cover medical issues or toxicology.

So it's just like, what?

There's no pitchfork sticking out of his chest.

Autopsy's over.

Time for fucking baguettes and cigarettes.

So the French government has basically

said that

they're looking into it.

But here's the problem.

I'm sorry, the guy died.

France just catches trap.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Guy's dead.

Go ahead.

All right.

Inscene.

So the French government said that they want to look into it, but problem kick is based in Australia.

So so there's not a lot that like the french government can necessarily do to kick so they're having to now lean on australia to lean on kick which in itself is actually i believe owned by a gambling company of some kind um and so that's like

like an advertising thing for them like an advertising armor and advertising outlet for them so it's like it's the whole thing like top to bottom is really weird and really fucked up okay i keep messing up what kick is kick is basically

if you've been booted from every other platform they're like fine we'll take them which is actually if you don't give a shit about anything a pretty good business model because people get banned from places and then you're like fuck it we'll take these people in the middle of a controversy and people want to like tune in for hate or tune in for support

yeah if you don't mind like taking like the absolute dregs of every other platform then yeah sure what do you care at that point right i mean i mean it's once again it's like

businesses can also have no idea what to do and they just want to be famous and make money and not have a direction or a purpose for that what a great marriage between them and the people that are providing uh content for their platform what i don't understand is why do i keep in my head

conflating kick the streaming platform with there was an old messaging platform called kick wasn't there and it had a proprietary like puck that you use like a round some kind of round device that you would use to access the kick messaging messaging platform?

Uh, yes, here we have kick messenger.

Slight difference.

Kick messenger was K-I-K.

So the branding is slightly different.

That's going to affect the trademarks and everything.

Not related?

Kick Messenger, commonly called Kik, was a freeware instant messaging mobile app from the Canadian company, Kick Interactive.

Okay.

And it didn't have like a, why am I associating a round puck with this?

Like there was like a, it was like a sidekick style device.

Remember the old T-Mobile sidekick?

Of course I remember the old T-Mobile sidekick.

You think I didn't have this sidekick and also

custom rubber bumpers oh yeah mine were pink because i was a frag doll all right this will this will uh show up at some point at some point we'll figure it out but speaking of uh of marriages bernie taylor swift is tying the nut y'all are you how do you feel how do you feel about that like are you surprised by that is that inevitable to you surprised yes terribly invested not really you know i mean it's like good for her she's had a lot of relationships they've given her a lot of material to work with none of them have worked out until now.

But that's the case with everything, right?

Every relationship you've ever had has ended except the one that you're in right now.

And eventually, yeah, it's a string of failures until you have a success.

Right, exactly.

So, like, good for her.

She found her success.

That's wonderful.

And you know, it's success when everybody dies.

Once you're all dead, you get together and you go, yeah.

We did it the right way.

We were all together until we died.

And then it was great.

Happily ever after.

Well, congratulations to, is it Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift?

Yeah, it was.

And part of the headlines as well let me in on a piece of knowledge that I guess I didn't realize, which is they've been dating two years.

Okay.

So I guess we've been hearing about the two of them for, I guess, two, two years.

Now I did not realize it had been that long.

So I'm now looking forward to like her album of like sending your kid off to preschool.

It's going to be very relatable to me.

Yeah, that will be relatable to you.

The divorce album is going going to be incredible if it ever happens.

Well, congratulations.

I'm happy.

I always like happy couples.

It's a hell of a thing to have any kind of relationship that can last.

But can you imagine trying to maintain a relationship under the incredible global scrutiny that they must endure every single day?

Not only the scrutiny, but given how much they're both in a lot of different places like they both travel a lot uh that kind of thing means that one or both of them is constantly having to make a deliberate effort to get anywhere near the other one right and like that's a that's a big big thing and you should track her plane flights

and a lot of relationships can't survive that so good for them i was i removed some sticky tape that we have on one of our couches i removed it it's tape that supposedly is intended to keep mush from scratching the couch.

It's double.

It's like these giant strips of double-sided tape that I put on the corners of our couches because if you do it right, because the tape is clear, you can't really see it.

But if this stupid jerk cat decides to use the corner of the couch as a scratching post, his paws will stick to it and he won't like that and he'll go find somewhere else.

You ever see those videos where they put tin foil on the counters or aluminum foil?

Absolutely.

It hasn't been made out of tin for like five decades.

Yeah, and the cats jump like it's basically made of cucumber.

Was it ever like,

was it made out of tin?

We call it tin foil, but was that just um like like we call aluminium aluminum is it was it just a complete misnaming of the product tin foil was superseded after world war ii by cheaper and more durable aluminium foil aluminium foil okay so it was tin at one point i guess it was i feel like we don't have a lot of tin in our lives still referred to as tin foil in many regions i think they had tin like they had tin soldiers and things like that for like the kids would play with and there was there was uh those copper pots sometimes you when you buy them at uh like a thrift store or whatever they actually have tin on the inside you get them re-tinned i don't know who's doing that in 2025 right all the modern ones are like steel inside and but if you find a tin one like well done you have to get it re-tinned right like imagine how valuable was the actual tin man probably not that valuable

it wasn't worth all that much dude like like what happens if you melt them down and sell them all did we run out of tin is it like cod and like now right got it got overfished and then a certain someone decided to eat all of it in the world before it was gone.

And now we have Illuminopia.

But is that what it's like?

Are we out of tin or is there just like a surplus of tin out there going unused now because we just don't use tin for maybe we just decided that like tin isn't as useful as these other things that we've since developed.

It's like how like the second something new came along like Teflon, everyone was like, hell yeah, let's go.

And I know I know that we're now revisiting the wisdom of that particular decision, but I'm sure there was like a magical cookware before Teflon, right?

And then like there's something, and then Teflon comes along, and everyone's like, Let's do that.

And everyone just like moves on to something else.

We're all celebrating Teflon while Tin is forced to stream on kick.

So embarrassing how far the mighty have fallen.

Poor Tin.

Poor Tin.

I'm going all in on Tin.

That's it.

I'm going to, this is it.

I'm moving all of our investments to commodities tin.

Buy the dip.

Tin futures.

If we work hard enough, tin could make a comeback.

I really can't tell you the last time I encountered a good tin anything.

Here's all we need to do is we need to get Taylor Swift to name her next album after Tin, and our stocks are going to go sky high.

What's the 10 anniversary?

Maybe she'll make it.

We'll all celebrate when she gets to the tin age.

So you do that.

Like they're all doing, like, Adele does her age.

Taylor Swift, has she given up on the whole thing of doing the years?

Is that?

No, so I think she does more of like eras, like this is my vibe now.

But I don't think she does years like Adele.

And do we know if Adele is still doing the year thing?

Don't know.

She's doing that Vegas, what do they call it?

Vegas residency.

Well, yeah, rotation.

Residency.

Where that's it.

Like, she's a young doctor.

She's a Vegas intern.

Man, I still want to go see that.

I want to go see that sphere.

I don't know why.

I feel like I got to go.

It's not going anywhere, but I kind of feel like it is.

Like, there's eventually they're just going to be like, man.

Well, look, someone's got to go see it because we've talked about Vegas tourism being down.

And a lot of it is, I guess, because

international tourism into the U.S.

overall is down.

A lot of that tourism went to Vegas.

You're making all the Canadians get a boner listen to this.

They love this.

It's working.

So I'm just saying, I think you're going to be able to buy seats in the sphere.

You buy because all the Canadians are back home.

Yeah.

You know, eating their maple syrups.

Investing in tin futures.

Tin spoons.

That's where all the tin went.

Tin has a 5,000% tariff right now with the U.S.

government.

That's why we're not allowed to use it anymore.

All the tin got deported.

Yeah, I would like to go see that, though.

I would like to go see that sphere at some point.

I also want to go to one of these

pseudo-Adele shows.

It's like a stadium.

I showed you a clip of one.

It's almost like you're in a state.

It's like a mini-sphere.

They have one in Dallas.

And the way they do it is if you want to go see the college football game or the Super Bowl or whatever, they have special cameras there.

And it feels like you're at the game.

Like you're sitting in a grandstand.

Yeah, you showed me this a really long time ago right where it's like i i think we saw in almost like the side of a sports bar where one side of the sports bar was like this curved wall but it was made to look almost like you were in box seats it's almost like you're sitting five feet away from an iMac screen is kind of what it's like yeah yeah like the the idea being you get like a realistic experience of watching the game without being at the game.

It seems like a really good illusion, but really it's just someone taking the illusion and shoving it down your throat.

You don't have a choice of whether or not you want to accept it oh yeah like if you go there yeah this this you're committed so yeah i want to go do that okay

sounds like a great time you should go there and then complain about it all right actually who's uh who's helping us uh fund our tin futures so that we can go to the pseudo virtual stadium all right big thanks to dirky turkey and max for going all in on tin

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Thank you, Durky and Max.

We appreciate your contributions.

Full name Dirky Turkey, please.

Dirky Turkie.

I know him by his first name.

It's me and Dirk hanging out.

All right, well, that does it for us today.

August 27th.

Think good vibes about us today during our immigration meeting, please.

We will be back to talk to you tomorrow.

We hope you will be here as well.

Bye, everybody.