Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 57: Live At The Fox Theater

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Speaker 12 Goodbye.

Speaker 12 Hello,

Speaker 12 and and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 10 Okay, so see, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 45 And today we're recapping episode 57, which we've named, you're not going to believe this, we've named

Speaker 47 live at the Fox Theater.

Speaker 48 These live show titles are brilliant.

Speaker 51 I'll say so myself. I will say so myself.
Do it.

Speaker 10 This episode came out February 23rd, 2017, almost 10 years ago.

Speaker 12 Oh, no. In two years.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 Thank you.

Speaker 45 All right.

Speaker 52 Let's get into the intro of episode that was only eight years ago, number 57.

Speaker 52 Wow, you came

Speaker 52 hi, Oakland.

Speaker 52 What's up?

Speaker 52 Wow, this is so exciting.

Speaker 11 Should we scream really quick? Oh, yeah, ready?

Speaker 11 That does feel good. Yeah, our friend.
That's good.

Speaker 54 Our friend Lizzie Cooperman told us that her secret before going on stage and not being nervous is to scream into her hands.

Speaker 11 It's really

Speaker 11 therapeutic.

Speaker 11 I may have damaged my instrument a little bit, though.

Speaker 11 This is fucking crazy.

Speaker 11 Isn't it?

Speaker 11 Hi.

Speaker 11 Somebody tweeted a picture from the audience of the stage and the front the frontest piece looks like Beyoncé from the Grammys, doesn't it?

Speaker 11 Do you think she dressed up like the interior of the Fox Theater on purpose? Make me look

Speaker 11 Give me that Fox look, she said.

Speaker 11 Who's here?

Speaker 54 Who's from Oakland and who's from not Oakland?

Speaker 11 Cheers! Give her away! There you go!

Speaker 11 Ask a seven-part question to kick it off. We definitely want you to be yelling the whole time.
So let's see

Speaker 11 who's from San Leandro, who's from Dublin. This is Karen's fucking city, can you tell? Top of the Hill Daily City, anybody?

Speaker 54 Not me.

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 54 they're from places.

Speaker 11 Anyway.

Speaker 11 Let's go.

Speaker 11 We don't.

Speaker 11 Oh, that was my cousin Stevie.

Speaker 11 Oh, by the way, 110 of my family members are here tonight.

Speaker 11 I love it.

Speaker 54 I know I looked on our guest list and it was like, Kilgareth, Kilgareth, Kilgareth.

Speaker 11 Yay. Represent.

Speaker 11 We represent in the Bay. I

Speaker 54 love it.

Speaker 11 Lots of people do. Should we do a quick outfit?

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 11 Walk it across. Let's do it.
Look at my,

Speaker 54 watch my tights.

Speaker 55 Yes, yes.

Speaker 11 There you go. Those are cat tights if you can't see from the balcony.

Speaker 11 You're little cats.

Speaker 11 No, no.

Speaker 54 Thank you. No.

Speaker 11 I got what a yoga dress.

Speaker 11 Pockets, pockets.

Speaker 11 Pockets.

Speaker 11 I'll never stop yelling pockets at the top of my lungs.

Speaker 54 We were having like a conversation backstage of like what, you know, a serious one, and then she goes like this, and I'm like, oh, pockets.

Speaker 11 Should we sit? Do you want me to tell you a quick story about this dress? Yes. It's going to be fast.
It's going to be fast. Always.
I'm not asking you. I'm asking her.

Speaker 11 We went to the outlet malls in Los Angeles. We went to the Kate Spades store.
I walked in. I was like, I have to get, oh, really quick.

Speaker 11 Sidebar in the middle of the dress story.

Speaker 11 Oakland, we just want you to know this is the first night of our tour. We're starting it with you guys.

Speaker 11 Right here.

Speaker 11 Amazing. Amazing.
Crazy.

Speaker 54 Crazy.

Speaker 11 Anyway, I'm at the Outlet Malls, Kate Spade Store. Have to get my tour long dress.
Has to be black. That's the rule we made up that we're now stuck in permanently.

Speaker 54 It sucks. There's no black dresses, it turns out.

Speaker 11 Obsessively buying black dresses. I go in.
I see a dress. It's this one on the rack.
It fits me. It's my size.
It has pockets. I'm like, what the fuck? God is with me.

Speaker 11 I look at the price tag. It says $219.

Speaker 11 I was like, hey, listen, I'm going to wear it for what, 50 shows or something like that?

Speaker 11 Are we doing one dress for all the shows? Yes, the entire run. Really?

Speaker 11 These dresses are going to smell so bad when we're done. It's true.
Imagine. So

Speaker 11 I'm like, hear my mother's voice in my head. It's a key piece.
You're gonna be able to wear it over and over. Right, right.

Speaker 11 It's worth the money.

Speaker 56 When you spend more, you get more.

Speaker 11 So I'm like, all right, Pat. So I take the dress up to the counter,

Speaker 11 put it on the counter. This is a classic outlet sale, outlet store tail.

Speaker 11 $79, motherfuckers!

Speaker 11 Pockets, pockets, pockets, pockets, pockets!

Speaker 11 I'll never say what it says.

Speaker 54 She wondered if she just left, she just kept walking.

Speaker 11 Walking down Telegraph pockets!

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 Let's see what else. Are we really wearing these the whole thing? No, no, no, we can't.
That's crazy.

Speaker 54 We're actually going to wear them all weekend, though. So if you see photos that look like it's here and you're like, I don't remember them doing that, it's because we're not.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 we're just going to keep wearing them up and down the coast.

Speaker 54 But they're still going to smell really bad by Monday for sure.

Speaker 11 I mean, well, and then we can burn them in a pie

Speaker 11 like witches.

Speaker 11 Oh, we have an exclusive merch announcement.

Speaker 11 Here's why: merch corner.

Speaker 11 Oops, the shirts got a little bit more. Corner, corner, corner, everybody.

Speaker 11 Oops, yeah. The shirts that are available tonight here at the Fox Theater in Oakland.

Speaker 54 We're going to call them exclusive.

Speaker 11 They're...

Speaker 11 We're not calling them mistake shirts. No.

Speaker 11 They're exclusive. They're exclusive to this weekend.

Speaker 54 So if you were on the fence, I don't know, are people, then get, I mean, it's weird.

Speaker 11 Get one.

Speaker 11 Look. It doesn't need to have our name on it to make it our shirt.
That's the thing.

Speaker 54 And listen, it doesn't mean the name of the podcast on the front nor anywhere.

Speaker 11 It does it on the shirt. Why reference the name of the show that the shirt belongs to?

Speaker 54 Someone will see you in that and you'll know they're in the know when they're like, I know what that's from, even though it doesn't say the name of what it is or the name of the hosts on it.

Speaker 11 Or any name at all, really. It's just some words.

Speaker 54 Yeah, it's because we knew you guys were like, you know, everyone else needs our name on it because they're going to forget.

Speaker 11 So exclusive merch tonight only.

Speaker 11 and

Speaker 11 tomorrow night. And tomorrow.
Also tomorrow. Sorry.

Speaker 54 Weekend. It's a week.

Speaker 11 It's a weekend shit merch merch, super special merch.

Speaker 11 Should we sit down? Let's sit down.

Speaker 41 Are we going to

Speaker 11 not all forward? Like, why have a table and then just sit out there? I know I'm doing that. That's weird.

Speaker 54 We've never sat on these sides before.

Speaker 11 Oh, should we switch it around? I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 54 It's just, you know.

Speaker 11 Let's just make it right. Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 54 What's it called when you are?

Speaker 11 So, okay.

Speaker 11 We can't hear you and we don't want to know what you're saying.

Speaker 11 That's how Karen works.

Speaker 54 That's Karen.

Speaker 33 I'm George.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah. Hi.
Welcome to my favorite burger. Oh, my God.

Speaker 54 I shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 11 Don't know why I did that.

Speaker 54 All right, welcome to my allergies.

Speaker 11 Before we start,

Speaker 11 I do have one piece of news that might be exciting for everybody that I saw. Somebody tweeted it to us, secondhand from another murder you know.

Speaker 11 You can now on Waze get Dateline's Keith Morrison's voice for your GPS. Did you hear about that?

Speaker 44 I want that.

Speaker 11 Did you listen? No, did you?

Speaker 54 No, but I want it.

Speaker 11 Could you imagine that creep telling you how to get around town?

Speaker 11 Hilarious. I love it.

Speaker 54 It's such a great idea.

Speaker 11 I feel like I would prefer Lieutenant Joe Kenda, though.

Speaker 11 That would be my. Oh, man, really?

Speaker 54 Yeah. He's just so snarky the whole time.

Speaker 11 Everything would be like a thing where one time I turned down this street and he's like, okay, Joe, just trying to get to Target.

Speaker 54 I bet he says, flip a UE.

Speaker 54 You know, instead of make a U-turn.

Speaker 11 You can never go back, but turn left and then just keep going. Go to that kind of hardcore stuff.
Oh, God. At least it's not Nancy Grace.

Speaker 54 She went there.

Speaker 11 One more thing, just really quick.

Speaker 11 So I went home really quick to Petaluma, California to see the

Speaker 11 whole hometown came to see me at the fox.

Speaker 11 I thought you hated me. So I was eating breakfast with my dad,

Speaker 11 and I said to my dad, hey, do you want me to get you a Marterino baseball hat? And he goes, huh, how about you?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 He goes,

Speaker 11 how about you,

Speaker 11 how about you get me a shirt, but instead of a monogram, it's just got a little dead body on it.

Speaker 11 I texted her and I was like, guess what we're making next?

Speaker 54 Yeah, I'm like, he just wants you to go get him a shirt somewhere else.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he doesn't even want one of yours. He might just need shirts.

Speaker 54 Weirdly, my dad,

Speaker 54 I saw him last weekend and he pointed to his hat and it was a New York City hat and he's like, I'm ready for my trip to New York when you go there. And I'm like, because you want to go see my show?

Speaker 54 He's just like, no, I want to go to New York. So I'm taking my dad to New York.

Speaker 11 All right, Marty's coming? Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 11 That's a good way to find out your dad's coming to your show.

Speaker 54 Also, they have a, this is, okay, they have a whole

Speaker 54 vintage Ouija board like display at the SFO airport. Do I have to say SFO airport or you just say SFO?

Speaker 11 You can say whatever you want. It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 54 It's like a huge, like a bunch of cabinets of like really fucking old Ouija boards and like the like. It's awesome.

Speaker 11 You can't touch them, can you? No.

Speaker 11 Don't touch those.

Speaker 54 Oh, I love them.

Speaker 11 That's bad luck.

Speaker 54 That luck doesn't exist.

Speaker 11 Oh, that's right. I keep forgetting.
What else?

Speaker 11 That kind of sounds rad, actually.

Speaker 54 Yeah, that's gorgeous.

Speaker 11 That's it. You want to kick it off? Let's get into this thing.
Let's do it. Is it murder time?

Speaker 12 All right, we're back.

Speaker 26 We're back and we're planning our latest tour.

Speaker 8 Just the moment of me telling everybody the price I thought I was going to pay on that dress and then the actual price and the absolute

Speaker 37 ovation that we received.

Speaker 12 Murderinos love a bargain. That's one thing about us.

Speaker 60 How could we not love a bargain?

Speaker 46 It's like we were in a commercial for like, you know, Kohl's or something.

Speaker 4 And when they say what the bargain is, cheer for it.

Speaker 48 Cheer. Everybody cheers.

Speaker 23 Maybe we'll get an integration going where it's like TJ Max's and my favorite murder.

Speaker 8 And then somebody comes up and scans, you scan a tag and then it's like, and then the audience pops up and

Speaker 12 cheers for you.

Speaker 42 So stoked.

Speaker 47 Well, it's really funny that we're recording this one today because this morning I literally started my tour dress shopping.

Speaker 12 Oh. Where'd you start it? You're going to love it.
Play clothes in Burbank.

Speaker 4 Are you going to have them make you something?

Speaker 12 No, but you know what I'm talking about, right?

Speaker 65 It's like one of the greatest vintage shops in town.

Speaker 33 Burbank has like this secret little area of vintage clothing stores that just have treasures.

Speaker 64 And so I tried on a bunch of dresses today.

Speaker 8 Mostly leopard print.

Speaker 12 I would do it.

Speaker 52 A 60s leopard print.

Speaker 12 That's, I mean, that'd be incredible.

Speaker 14 Yeah. This is a consideration now.

Speaker 12 We're going to go back on the road.

Speaker 48 Are we going to do what we did before?

Speaker 10 I think I'm going to bust out entirely from my clogs, rebellion against my sister, and do something new with the shoe.

Speaker 12 Are you?

Speaker 41 I think, I don't think I'm going to do black, any black.

Speaker 12 That's okay. I just don't.
I think that's exciting.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Like, I just don't, I want to wear something a little more whimsical.

Speaker 26 So that's what I'm looking for: something that makes me laugh a little bit, you know?

Speaker 53 Okay.

Speaker 10 Sure. Like, that's fun.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Like something a woman going to a key party who's a little drunk on martinis and Capri cigarettes

Speaker 47 would wear.

Speaker 12 Awesome.

Speaker 48 Okay. That's your mood board.

Speaker 47 Yeah. What's yours?

Speaker 48 I think I should go.

Speaker 49 God.

Speaker 20 So you're sorry.

Speaker 10 Do you have a little bit of a 70s direction?

Speaker 68 It's going to be between like 50s and

Speaker 47 like late 70s. Yeah.

Speaker 17 If there's something 80s that's hilarious with shoulder pads, I'm not ashamed.

Speaker 41 I'll do it.

Speaker 12 So what are you doing? Yeah.

Speaker 8 What if I do turn of the century

Speaker 70 and it's more like a, it's like a

Speaker 71 a field marm.

Speaker 69 So I have one of those like, I have the dress that's like,

Speaker 10 the the shirt that gets cinched at the top and then gets like you get like a corset on the bottom and you have like tie-on pockets yes those tie-on pockets that they had back then that they put under their dress yes it's almost like um there's skirts there's there's several layers of skirts and aprons yes like several that go on separately that someone has to help you fucking tie on yes and then a shawl that then a shawl that ties around the waist and in the back Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then you put the final apron over the top.

Speaker 36 Can I suggest an accessory?

Speaker 42 Sure. A goat.

Speaker 17 Just a live baby

Speaker 11 goat.

Speaker 48 But it's, I'm wearing a gorgeous $10,000 bracelet that the chain, the goat's chain is attached to my bracelet.

Speaker 74 Or you can go turn of the last century and just go straight up 90s.

Speaker 41 1990s.

Speaker 12 Oh, fuck. What if you went?

Speaker 41 I'm going turn of the century, but it's to a fucking turn of the 21st.

Speaker 75 So it's just what?

Speaker 48 A choker, some speed, a loud voice,

Speaker 59 gold schlager.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Oh, we'll make a fine pair.

Speaker 60 Camel widespread. Let's do this.

Speaker 45 Stumbling on, camel wides, just stumbling on stage, the two of us.

Speaker 72 I mean, I think the the way we stumbled on stage, and I definitely remember this was the place where that the backstage was so fancy.

Speaker 60 Like we were kind of blown away. Right.

Speaker 12 In Oakland. Right.

Speaker 66 Remember that yeah and your whole family was there yes

Speaker 71 um and my cousin stevie afterwards told me that he did not know what he was going to and didn't understand

Speaker 12 and then when he got there and when we walked out and the ovation we got made him cry um but then like that they listened to the podcast since they were saw it live that's that's a that's like a you know testament i think it is it's like we sold we sold him on it yeah but he is but he's actually kate Clara Dawson's number one fan.

Speaker 50 I don't know if that's.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 72 He loves her and loved Tenfold's More Wicked and all of it.

Speaker 48 So it they really became a podcast family after the fact, but I had to sell out the Fox Theater in Oakland before anyone

Speaker 12 believed in you. That's all it takes, folks, to get your family to be proud of you.

Speaker 52 Yes, that's right.

Speaker 48 Just a little bit of show biz.

Speaker 48 Wait, and this, was this a show where not this one, but the second night Nora came out and did a cartwheel?

Speaker 26 That's what I was thinking of.

Speaker 41 She definitely did a cartwheel on stage because we were like, you're never going to get a chance like this again.

Speaker 27 Come out on stage.

Speaker 8 Come and do it. She did it.

Speaker 12 It was eight years ago. She was like 12 or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 37 But no, she was, she was like nine.

Speaker 71 Now she's going to college.

Speaker 59 Right.

Speaker 12 Wow.

Speaker 8 She's basically prepping right now to go move into the dorms.

Speaker 12 Jesus. It's so crazy.
And I'm prepping to move into a retirement home.

Speaker 71 And I'm not prepping for anything.

Speaker 69 I'm just letting life take me where it's going to take me.

Speaker 41 Here in the 90s, baby.

Speaker 62 I actually am going to try to put an outfit idea together that would be.

Speaker 8 Well, here's what it would be.

Speaker 59 Why am I pretending that I have to think about it?

Speaker 73 It would be way too short for my butt plaid mini skirt.

Speaker 63 Yeah.

Speaker 12 With

Speaker 65 a giant safety pin, like giant ridiculous safety pin.

Speaker 12 Remember that? Like, like a mini kilt for a girl. Yes.

Speaker 8 And a baby doll t-shirt that says like my, the one I loved so much, which was fuck the environment.

Speaker 59 Or no, sorry, I hate the environment. Um, you know, you get one of those.

Speaker 43 Yeah,

Speaker 12 uh, black tights that have runs in them.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Doc boots and a little cardigan sweater.

Speaker 65 Lunchbox as your purse.

Speaker 12 Lunchbox is a purse filled with drugs. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 26 We had that.

Speaker 12 Barrett.

Speaker 12 Fucking bobby rattles. Barretts.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 59 Barrettes that just sit on your hair because they're not really working.

Speaker 50 Choker.

Speaker 12 Choker. Tongue ring,

Speaker 59 maybe? Not for me. Belly button ring.

Speaker 63 I mean, my dumb salmon tattoo.

Speaker 8 I got a massage the other day and it was just like the first 10 minutes and it was such a great massage.

Speaker 59 And then I remembered I have a salmon tattoo and I was like, I wanted to say something.

Speaker 22 I'm like, don't say anything.

Speaker 48 Just you have, it's just too bad for you.

Speaker 49 I always forget it's there.

Speaker 46 I forget my hearts are on my butt too.

Speaker 26 It's just not my problem, you know?

Speaker 51 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 47 It's not everybody else's problem i guarantee you she's seen way worse tattoos than that i guarantee you like way like that she should have been apologized to for and that's your salmon's not that my salmon is field and stream approved anyway we should be talking about oh my gosh all right let's get on to the show um should we get started yes we're about to get into george's story

Speaker 12 i this one is forgot that i've covered this that's how like bad this one is then i I was like, I'll never do this one.

Speaker 46 And then I was looking at this and I'm like, oh, I've done this one at a live show.

Speaker 12 What was I thinking?

Speaker 71 Well, but also, you know what you were thinking?

Speaker 59 We were a true crime podcast and we're going to tell these people true crime stories.

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Speaker 12 Totally. It's, yeah, it's a very like every local knows it.

Speaker 53 They want to hear it.

Speaker 57 And so I did it.

Speaker 63 And so she did it.

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Speaker 11 Who's first?

Speaker 54 I'm first. You're first.
I'm first this week.

Speaker 54 This is a real fun one.

Speaker 11 Don't look. Why do you keep?

Speaker 11 Literally, this piece of paper has been, anytime it's within two feet of me, she snatches it away and goes, don't look. It's like,

Speaker 11 I get the point of the podcast. I'm not going to fucking sneak and read it and be like, uh-huh.
Because I would look.

Speaker 54 I'm amazed I haven't looked at yours yet.

Speaker 11 I've heard this already. All right.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 54 let's talk about two dudes who are total pieces of shit. Great.

Speaker 54 Also known as the speed freak killers.

Speaker 11 Uh-oh.

Speaker 11 Nobody.

Speaker 11 We'll see.

Speaker 54 Nobody knows about them. Okay.

Speaker 11 But the bunch of speed freaks in the audience are like, uh-oh, is it me?

Speaker 11 They found me? They found me. Arrest this man.
And then they come in. That would actually be an amazing end of this show.

Speaker 54 That would be like a Phil Collins concert.

Speaker 11 You saw me when you were drowning, and you did not lend a hand.

Speaker 11 That's not how it goes.

Speaker 54 I actually, there was like a kid who drove me here from my hotel who like, and I was telling him about the podcast that I was listening to about Boston Stranglers.

Speaker 54 and he's like never heard of them and I'm like oh you're 21 and you don't know about murders anyways

Speaker 11 he's about to speed free Jared listen up was his name Jared Lauren Herzog and Wesley Shermantine Jr.

Speaker 54 were childhood friends they grew up on the same street like right by each other in a farming town called Linden California

Speaker 54 Yeah fucked.

Speaker 11 They hold on. They might actually just like the names of towns in California.
Is that what you're doing? Woo-hoo.

Speaker 54 It's like those people who eat, like, they're at a restaurant, and someone else is getting sung happy birthday, and they sing along with it, too, and you're like, Tell you,

Speaker 54 they don't know you!

Speaker 54 Okay, they grew up together. It's 95 miles east of California.
They were hunters. They graduated high school in 84 and they gained a reputation as meth users.

Speaker 11 Hey, me too.

Speaker 54 Not in 1984, though. It's believed that Herzog and Shermantine began murdering people when they were around 18 or 19, although it's possible it started earlier than that, even.

Speaker 54 So Shermantine would brag to his friends and families about making people disappear, which is what you want in a sibling.

Speaker 11 Their family is like, I'm going to take that in the way that I choose to interpret it.

Speaker 54 Oh, are you a magician? You can make people disappear?

Speaker 11 Finally, you have an interest that we can get into.

Speaker 11 Maggie, you do it. Do it.

Speaker 54 Okay, their first known known victim was in 1985. A 16-year-old Stockton, California girl named Chevy Wheeler

Speaker 54 disappeared,

Speaker 11 says.

Speaker 54 She had been dating and she had been dating 19-year-old Wesley and had ditched school that day to hang out with him. Don't hang out with your 19-year-old boyfriend when you ditch your school, ma'am.

Speaker 11 Be cool, stand school.

Speaker 11 Then you'll get to be this.

Speaker 54 No, we dropped out of college.

Speaker 11 Really didn't finish any school at home.

Speaker 54 Skin of my teeth. Okay, so then, so she had been dating him.
She'd left to hang out with him.

Speaker 54 Never seen again. Her blood was found in his cabin that he had.
But the district attorney didn't think the DNA evidence was definitive. So, nope.

Speaker 11 Well, he's the one that would know

Speaker 11 in 1984.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 It's just splattered, willy-nilly. Blood is meaningless to me.
Yeah, I know. I'm like, what does it mean, you know?

Speaker 54 So and then in 98, so that was 85.

Speaker 54 Now we're in 98, and then Cindy van der Heiden, she's 25 of the San Joaquin Valley, disappears from the Linden Bar Inn, which sounds like a fucking dive bar that you don't want to be in.

Speaker 11 You mean if like the inn, I-N-N, at the end of any bar, you don't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 54 No. She had been seen talking to Lauren and Wesley, and actually, Lauren had dated her older sister, so they knew each other.
And supposedly, they all left together, the three of them.

Speaker 54 Then her car is found by her dad the next day, like outside of local cemetery. It's like a new car, and the dad was like, what the fuck is her car doing there?

Speaker 54 And like, they panic, and it's really sad.

Speaker 54 Then, so she disappears, and

Speaker 54 then the cops are like, wait a second, he has something to do, Wesley has something to do with Cindy's disappearance, and they were like, 13 years later, Earlier, this other one, they're like putting the pieces together.

Speaker 54 So they can't get his DNA, but they repossess his car when he doesn't pay for it, pay the payments, and they fucking swab that shit.

Speaker 11 All that meaningless DNA is suddenly relevant.

Speaker 54 Suddenly, it's 98, and people give a shit.

Speaker 11 Hi.

Speaker 54 Okay, can I tell you about his tattoos real quick?

Speaker 11 Please.

Speaker 54 Lauren had made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

Speaker 11 Sorry, say it again.

Speaker 54 Made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.

Speaker 11 But he's already already killed two people?

Speaker 54 Yeah, so he's not being restrained by anything. Sounds like our government.

Speaker 11 Also,

Speaker 54 that's why I whispered that.

Speaker 54 I didn't know what you said. Oh, I said sounds like our government.

Speaker 11 Oh, man.

Speaker 11 Then I get shot.

Speaker 54 Send hate mail to Georgia at Georgia.

Speaker 11 I just wondered what the picture underneath that phrase was like just like a font, like a seal with a ball on its nose or something. I don't know.
Like a baby chick?

Speaker 11 Just like the Notre Dame Irishman.

Speaker 54 You know it was a Tasmanian devil.

Speaker 11 And he was wearing cut-off jeans. Totally.
Yes, just all mad.

Speaker 54 He also had a tattoo on his right foot that said, made the devil do it.

Speaker 11 Made the devil do it?

Speaker 54 Yeah, unless I unless I'm...

Speaker 54 No, I copied and pasted that. Made the devil do it.

Speaker 11 So his foot made the devil do something apparently

Speaker 11 the devil's like dude I'm good don't involve me in your bullshit the devil said I can do it without meth and so

Speaker 54 I don't even um so da da da he's okay this motherfucker's married with chill children of course and then he offers to give DNA once they like start looking into Wesley as buddy Wesley so the police pick him up they're gonna bring him to the station and in the car on the way to the station he starts fucking crying and asks what he can do to get out of this.

Speaker 11 Wait, he may have been crying about those tattoos, though.

Speaker 11 Fair enough.

Speaker 54 I don't even like the Tasmanian devil anymore.

Speaker 11 I was made by hate.

Speaker 11 It feels bad to hate.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 54 he gets interrogated for 17 hours, confesses to the murder of Cindy. He says that they met her at a bar.
They were going to go do drugs. Wesley did everything.
Attempts to rape her. She resists.

Speaker 54 They pull over. Bad things happen.
And

Speaker 54 he, so, this is awful. Lauren was like stabbing Cindy, or Lauren said that when Wesley was stabbing Cindy, he said, just let it come natural.

Speaker 54 I know. He told detectives that Wesley was responsible for at least 24 murders.

Speaker 11 Holy shit.

Speaker 54 He doesn't confess to anything himself, though, and just makes it seem like he's an accomplice. Of course.

Speaker 11 Sure. You're just standing by.
Yeah, hanging out.

Speaker 11 Murder again. I wanted to go to Dave and Buster's.
God damn it.

Speaker 54 He said we could go after, so I said, okay.

Speaker 54 So next day, Wesley's arrested. Lauren keeps talking, tells him about the 84 killing spree that they just shot two fucking random dudes who were like hanging out outside their car.

Speaker 54 And he confesses to killing a man, a 41-year-old man named Henry Howell. He's at the side of his road with his broken car, and they just go up and shoot him.
It's in 1984 in Hope Valley.

Speaker 54 In 2000, 34-year-old Wesley goes on trial for four murders, but Lauren's confession of what happened, his 17-hour

Speaker 54 interrogation, is inadmissible because the tape couldn't be cross-examined.

Speaker 54 The jury finds him guilty, though, of first-degree murder in all four cases.

Speaker 54 He's offered a deal to sentencing that the death penalty would be off the table if they told him where the bodies of Cindy and Chevy were, but he also wanted the $20,000 reward that had been offered for their whereabouts.

Speaker 54 Sure.

Speaker 11 Absolutely. They found them.
You should absolutely get $20,000 of the reward for finding finding you the murderer.

Speaker 11 That is totally how it works. Exactly.
Sounds like our government. Let's just keep doing it.
Let's just keep doing it. All night long.

Speaker 54 It's fine. We're going to Vancouver tomorrow.

Speaker 11 We can just stay there if we need to.

Speaker 54 I forgot my passport.

Speaker 11 We must have. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 It's being worked out.

Speaker 54 My husband is a dear, sweet angel who's FedExing things.

Speaker 11 Okay, so,

Speaker 54 okay, the family about the $20,000 reward says, ga-fuck yourself. Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no. Good.
They said, so he's sentenced to death.

Speaker 54 Then Lauren is tried for the murder of five people, including Cindy. His video is admissible now.

Speaker 54 He's found guilty of first degree in three killings, and he gets life without the possibility of parole. But wait, nope, it gets worse.

Speaker 54 In 2004, a state appeals court overturned Lauren's conviction, saying the police coerced his confession during the long interrogations.

Speaker 54 And they said that the police ignored his rights to remain silent,

Speaker 54 deprived him of all this shit, a new trial order, but Herzog's lawyer worked out a plea deal with the prosecutors.

Speaker 54 He agreed to plead guilty to manslaughter and accessory to murder in exchange for a 14-year sentence with credit, fair time, served.

Speaker 54 So he's out on parole on September 18th, 2010.

Speaker 11 Wait a second, it's 2017.

Speaker 54 Yeah.

Speaker 54 He

Speaker 54 goes, lives in like a shitty home. They keep an an eye on him.
He's got all this tracking device.

Speaker 54 But don't worry, guys, he kills himself. So he basically, when he finds out that Wesley is going to tell them where the bodies are, he's like, oh shit, and kills himself.

Speaker 54 He is offered $33,000, Wesley is, by a bounty hunter to tell him where the bodies are.

Speaker 11 Whoa.

Speaker 54 I know. I think he tricked him, though.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 let's see.

Speaker 54 He provides maps to five burial sites where his victims could be found,

Speaker 54 referring to one of them as their boneyard, and they find Cindy and Chevy's bodies.

Speaker 54 And there's three separate burial sites, and human remains are found there. At least 300 human bones of varying size, as well as coats, shoes, purses, and jewelry

Speaker 54 from a well on the land in rural North California.

Speaker 11 I thought for a second I thought they fucking shipped some bones. Go over here.

Speaker 54 They found other remains in a well.

Speaker 54 And

Speaker 54 so dental records identify Cindy and Chevy. And they find almost a thousand human bone fragments in an old abandoned well.

Speaker 54 and including a woman named Joanne Hobson. She was 16 years old, went missing in 85, and Wesley claims that there are as many as 72 victims.

Speaker 11 72?

Speaker 11 In that amount of time. Can you belie?

Speaker 11 Yeah, can you believe that, like,

Speaker 54 I didn't even hear about these dudes?

Speaker 11 No, I've never heard of this.

Speaker 54 I've seen their names, but actually, when I was doing this research, I had to go through. There's no place that just explains what happened and

Speaker 54 who disappeared. It's always like there's an article about these two women who disappeared.
There's an article about him killing himself. There's like little fragments, but there's nothing.

Speaker 11 It's not always underneath the one.

Speaker 54 No, so I had to make it.

Speaker 54 Just like.

Speaker 11 And maybe, maybe make up some facts. Whatever.

Speaker 54 I don't know, tattoos.

Speaker 11 You're not going to know if he has those tattoos or not. He's dead.

Speaker 11 That's crazy. Well, that's because that's so many.

Speaker 54 I know. That's like, I mean, why would you make? I don't know.
It's just this, like, well, it was, if it was from like 84 to 98, there's a lot of time in there. Yes.

Speaker 54 Well, they also believe that he's connected, they're connected.

Speaker 11 Almost

Speaker 11 almost 14 years.

Speaker 11 Is it 14?

Speaker 11 I don't.

Speaker 11 I don't know.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 54 They also believe that

Speaker 54 they may be connected to the 88 disappearance of nine-year-old Michelle Garrick from Hayward. You remember that one?

Speaker 54 She was abducted on November 19th, 1988, in broad daylight outside a grocery store. She found her scooter.
It had been moved next to a parked car and she goes to get it.

Speaker 54 Some motherfucker grabs her and puts her in the car.

Speaker 54 And

Speaker 54 what's it called when they draw your face?

Speaker 54 Gatch, thank you.

Speaker 11 I thought you said what's it called when they draw on your face? I'm like, falling asleep at a frat party? What the fuck is, what is this story?

Speaker 54 Composite sketch of

Speaker 54 it. Yes, and it looks just fucking like Lauren.
Like, it's just creepy. And so

Speaker 54 her case was the first missing child case to be featured on America's Most Wanted.

Speaker 54 So Wesley, one of the speed freak dudes, wrote a letter saying that Lauren committed, no, no, no, that's a copy and paste mistake

Speaker 54 that he said that they should look into what happened to that

Speaker 54 Hayward girl and they actually found shoes at the bottom of the well

Speaker 54 that looked like the one she was wearing that day I know sweet baby okay so Central Valley Department destroyed a bunch of missing person record though so we might not ever know that okay

Speaker 54 And the other suspected victims that have been that are look like is Terry Ann Forcher from Reno, Dina McHann. She was last seen getting gas near Lodi while two men were bothering her.

Speaker 54 And then Kimberly Ann Billy disappeared from Stockton, and Robin Armtrout, whose body was found stabbed to death, and was last seen getting into a car with two men, and the car matched the description of Wesley's.

Speaker 11 So he's still on death row.

Speaker 54 And

Speaker 54 he's like opening up a lot more now. And he said.

Speaker 11 It's good. I know.

Speaker 11 He said.

Speaker 11 doing some poetry and stuff, like really accessing his feelings.

Speaker 54 He's like doing the thing of, like, oh, yeah, I fucked up, okay, I get it. My son won't talk to me anymore, so I know how these parents feel of losing their children.
Not even fucking kidding you.

Speaker 11 Well, I mean, look,

Speaker 11 I don't know. There's nothing on the bottom.
I'm not talking, but I have some wisdom for you. Look, here's what I'm saying.
Look, meth is bad. Yeah.

Speaker 54 It really is. He says now to think about all that stuff I did, I try not to.
I would have nightmares.

Speaker 11 Fuck you, pal.

Speaker 54 Night night, motherfucker.

Speaker 11 Wow.

Speaker 11 Speed freak killers. The speed freak killers, everybody.
Shit.

Speaker 54 Yeah, that's your fucking doing, Northern California.

Speaker 54 You guys took into it.

Speaker 43 And we're back.

Speaker 1 Okay, do you have updates for this case? I do.

Speaker 41 As of May 2023, San Joaquin County detectives Jeremy Davis, who grew up in Herman's neighborhood neighborhood, and Chris, I know, I mean, they're all like locals and it's small towny blue collar, you know,

Speaker 74 and Chris Sterney are methodically reviewing decades of unsolved cases, particularly in rural areas between Stockton and Tracy, to look for patterns and possible links to Shermantine and Herzog.

Speaker 17 And so items recovered in 2012, like a ring, sandals, and a locket, are now being publicly released by investigators in hopes someone recognizes those items and helps identify the mysterious Jane Jane Doe from the well.

Speaker 48 Can I imagine like you have a missing daughter and you have to go look at those items online to try to see if you recognize?

Speaker 38 No, I can't imagine.

Speaker 47 And the article about that, there's an article in the Sacramento News and Review by Scott Thomas Anderson, and it's a really great article.

Speaker 26 If you want to read about that, it's got some stuff about the Golden State killer as well.

Speaker 12 And it's just, you know, more heartbreak. Yeah.

Speaker 26 And then due to California's changing stance on the death penalty, Wesley Shermantine was moved off of death row in 2024.

Speaker 47 He remains in prison and hopefully always will.

Speaker 59 Those murders were horrific.

Speaker 26 So bad.

Speaker 41 I'm glad I did them and we got them out of the way and we never have to do them again until we do with our next rewind of this.

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Speaker 54 All right, now I get comfy.

Speaker 11 Oh, now you're going to dig in?

Speaker 11 Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 11 Wow.

Speaker 11 Mine also did drugs.

Speaker 11 He did a lot of drugs.

Speaker 11 My guy,

Speaker 11 he doesn't really have a funny nickname like many of them do, although you've probably heard of him. His name is Herbert Mullen.

Speaker 11 And Herbert Mullen, thank you. Herbert Herbert Mullen is the serial killer from

Speaker 11 It's

Speaker 11 Fenton, California, near Santa Cruz, and

Speaker 11 represent Go Banana Slugs.

Speaker 11 Kind of thing?

Speaker 11 Yeah, this UC Santa Cruz mascot is a banana slug.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 11 She fucking with me? Really?

Speaker 11 The children, they got to vote on their own mascot and because irony is fun, they chose a banana slug. No, no.

Speaker 54 Never let children choose anything important.

Speaker 54 When I was in soccer, we were the teal tornado. Like, you just got to pick your own stupid things, and kids are dumb, you know?

Speaker 11 Well, I mean, it is college. Oh, Jesus Christ.
That's even worse.

Speaker 11 Wow, really?

Speaker 11 Yeah. I'm disappointed.

Speaker 11 They love pot. So

Speaker 11 who doesn't?

Speaker 11 So Herbert Mellon was the guy, you may have heard of him. It happened in the 70s.
He was the one that was active at the same time as Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer, who was also in Santa Cruz.

Speaker 11 So Santa Cruz in the early 70s had two full-on serial killers at the same time,

Speaker 11 earning it the nickname Murderville USA.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Our own little Santa Cruz.

Speaker 11 Work, live, play.

Speaker 11 Murderville, USA. Murder.

Speaker 11 Hide. Bum out.

Speaker 11 But unlike Edmund Kemper, Herbert Mullen was killing for our benefit. He believed that he had to make human sacrifices so that earthquakes wouldn't hit California.

Speaker 54 Did anyone ever tell him that earthquakes are kind of fun, though?

Speaker 11 No, he's clearly very scared of earthquakes. Idiot.
He didn't want them to happen.

Speaker 11 Let me tell you about him. I'll tell you a little bit about him.
So he was born on April 18th, 1947, to a very strict Catholic family.

Speaker 11 He was in high school, he was good-looking, athletic, and polite.

Speaker 11 The trifecta.

Speaker 54 No.

Speaker 11 Be careful. I'm telling you, it is not good to peek in high school.

Speaker 54 Psychotic or charming? Yeah. Somewhere in between, that's what you want.

Speaker 11 You're hiding behind

Speaker 11 the beautiful teeth. Good luck.

Speaker 11 He was actually voted most likely to succeed.

Speaker 54 And he did, I guess.

Speaker 11 And he, well,

Speaker 11 some saw it as a success.

Speaker 11 After graduating in 1965, he went to college. He majored in engineering, and he considered following in his father's footsteps of joining the military.

Speaker 11 But the turning point of his otherwise normal life came around the time when his best friend was killed in a car accident.

Speaker 11 And this was the first moment where he,

Speaker 11 his,

Speaker 11 a psychotic episode was triggered. So he was right at the age where schizophrenia starts to show in young men, and basically it was the stress and the grief.

Speaker 11 He had this psychotic episode, and his behavior began to change entirely. And his family started to get really scared of him.
So

Speaker 11 his friend died. He built a shrine in his room to his friend.
He started arranging all the furniture in his room around the shrine. And he was sitting it for hours and hours alone.

Speaker 11 He

Speaker 11 had to break up with his girlfriend explaining to her that he thought he was turning gay

Speaker 11 because of the shrine.

Speaker 54 Just turn into a gay, you know.

Speaker 11 Just slowly turning, turning, turning. He was gonna let her know when he turned entirely, but he didn't feel comfortable leading her on.
I'm lying about all that.

Speaker 11 He became obsessed with the concept of reincarnation and he became increasingly paranoid and he started hearing voices.

Speaker 11 So his behavior was really scaring his family because he was starting to do super weird things like beg his sister for sex. What?

Speaker 11 So gay. Such a gay move.

Speaker 11 And he also

Speaker 11 was doing a thing

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 11 he began to compulsively imitate every movement his brother-in-law made. Oh God.
His sister was also married. So it was sinful in many ways that he was begging her for sex.
The movement was sex. Yes.

Speaker 11 No, no. Just every movement.
So, this is actually a real disorder called echopraxia. Really? Yes.

Speaker 11 Echopraxia is when you have the compulsion to imitate every single thing a person does. Even if you don't even want to, you just have to keep it.
You're doing it.

Speaker 11 And echolalia is the compulsion to repeat anything someone says.

Speaker 54 Whoa, what's the compulsion? I want to screw your sister.

Speaker 11 Gross. I guess that's called Game of Thrones.
Yeah, whoa, whoa, thank you.

Speaker 11 All the way up in the back.

Speaker 54 Fucking pro.

Speaker 11 Okay, so in the early 70s, in an attempt to calm himself, he began to take huge doses of LSD.

Speaker 11 What? A perfect solution.

Speaker 11 He also was taking a lot of amphetamines. No.
Yeah, just a little bit to bring him up after he went into that other dimension. That sounds like a no.
Just for a a little energy.

Speaker 11 I'm not a doctor, but

Speaker 11 if you're feeling paranoid,

Speaker 11 think you're seeing things, acid isn't the way. It's just not, it's a non-solution.

Speaker 54 And if you're paranoid and think you're seeing things because you're on acid, meth isn't the way.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's right. Let's not, like, don't double down.
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, don't go into the white drug area.

Speaker 54 Like, pick a drug. No, don't do drugs, you guys.

Speaker 11 Don't do drugs.

Speaker 11 But if you're going to, you know, listen, you got. You know, ow.
You know. You know.

Speaker 54 Just hit myself in the face with the mic.

Speaker 54 You missed it. I wanted to tell you.

Speaker 11 Oh, I wrote here, maybe try some aromatic oils.

Speaker 11 You know, you love yourself at that moment. Writing was fun.
I was having a great time drinking this huge thing of coffee. I was enjoying myself.

Speaker 11 So Herbert came to believe that his friend's death had been a part of a grand cosmic plan, and he changed his college major from engineering to philosophy.

Speaker 11 He became obsessed with reincarnation, religion, and

Speaker 11 take note, impending natural disasters.

Speaker 11 So in 1969 he was finally diagnosed with severe paranoid schizophrenia and he allowed his family to commit him to Mendocino State Hospital, one of the many state hospitals that doesn't exist anymore because they cut the funding for mental health, which is fucked.

Speaker 11 Let's see what we can do for Mendoza. America?

Speaker 54 Does your mom work? Did your mom work there?

Speaker 11 Mendocino's way up north, but she did work in a state hospital, yeah.

Speaker 11 Referee.

Speaker 25 You can't let a city go.

Speaker 11 Bye, can you? Well, it's all of California has come to see us tonight. It's so exciting.

Speaker 54 I don't know a single person here.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 54 There's nobody on my.

Speaker 11 You don't know. What if you find out that you do?

Speaker 11 Okay, so

Speaker 11 Herbert spent the following years.

Speaker 11 Oh, he, sorry, he went to Mendocino State Hospital. I preach, preach, preach, and then the back half of that was he checked himself out six weeks later.

Speaker 11 So then he spent the following years drifting around Northern California, working small-time jobs, spending short periods of time in various mental institutions.

Speaker 11 He practiced yoga, meditation, ate a macrobiotic diet, yet he was vocally ultra conservative.

Speaker 54 And essential oils, probably.

Speaker 11 And maybe he was using some essential oils, which was my idea.

Speaker 11 He spent time as an amateur boxer.

Speaker 11 He actually had to be forcibly removed from the ring when he wouldn't stop beating his opponent. Hey, hey, you're an amateur.
You don't have to kill that guy.

Speaker 11 At one point, he attempted to join the priesthood.

Speaker 11 And they were like, no, thanks.

Speaker 11 Which is really saying something. All right.

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 11 in this time, Herbert is fixating on impending natural disasters, of course, also doing tons of acid, and he comes up with a theory.

Speaker 11 He becomes convinced that nature requires a blood sacrifice to keep the next big earthquake from hitting California.

Speaker 11 He theorized that the violence during the Vietnam War had been enough bloodshed to control earthquakes throughout the late 60s, but now that the war was over, there was nothing to stop

Speaker 11 the big big one from destroying the state.

Speaker 54 And how does he know the percentage of blood to like the percentage of year, like the number of years?

Speaker 11 You know what I mean? Because he was an engineer. No, I know.
He's like a typical, like, oh, actually, it's this much blood.

Speaker 11 Like, of course.

Speaker 54 This is how many people were killed in Vietnam, and then you calculate that language.

Speaker 11 No, Herbert.

Speaker 11 Herbert believed that because his birthday was April 18th,

Speaker 11 same day as the 1906 earthquake that leveled San Francisco and the death day of Albert Einstein,

Speaker 11 that this made him the leader of his generation. That's all you need is

Speaker 11 one good birthday.

Speaker 11 And as the leader, it was his job to make sure enough people die to prevent the big one from killing everyone.

Speaker 11 So he had to begin murdering people for the good of mankind.

Speaker 11 Before that, and I swear to God, this is a classic cut and paste. Before that, he had considered relocating to Canada.

Speaker 11 Wish you'd done that.

Speaker 11 Then you'd have your murder for tomorrow. That's going to do something else tonight.
I just do Herbert Mullen up there. So it turns out Herbert Mullen hates maple syrup.

Speaker 11 So it starts. On October 13th, 1972, Herbert Mullen is 24 years old.
He drives home to visit his parents. Oh, in Felton, California, sorry, not Fenton.

Speaker 11 I said Fenton, it's Felton. My apologies to the mayor and the comp troller.

Speaker 11 So if you don't know, Felton is this tiny town. It's north of Santa Cruz on the Nine.
It's right in those like, right? Give it up for the Nine, everybody.

Speaker 11 One of the better small highways of California. There's redwoods everywhere.
It's actually gorgeous. Okay.
It's so gorgeous.

Speaker 54 Perfect place to put a body, I bet.

Speaker 11 It's also where I went to camp. Oh, my God.

Speaker 11 So, yeah,

Speaker 11 Camp St. Andrews.

Speaker 54 Children's live bodies at a camp.

Speaker 11 I mean, it wait for it. Okay, so.

Speaker 11 As he's driving down, he's going back to visit his parents, and he later tells police that this is when he received a telepathic message from his father saying, Herb, I want you to kill me somebody.

Speaker 11 So you don't listen to your parents all your life, and this is when you're going to fucking start listening to your, come on, Herb.

Speaker 54 Dad's drinking a ham, beer at ham's beer at home.

Speaker 11 And like, well, I don't fucking.

Speaker 11 I didn't do it. Yeah.
Don't bring me into this shit. Okay.

Speaker 11 So. Herbert Mullen sees, as he's driving on the nine, he sees a homeless man named Lawrence White who is on the side of the road.

Speaker 11 So what he does is he pulls over and he lifts lifts the hood of his car, feigning car trouble.

Speaker 11 And when the man comes over to ask if he needs any help, Herbert Mullen bludgeons him to death with a baseball bat and leaves his body where it lays. And that man is found a few days later.

Speaker 11 A few days?

Speaker 11 A few days later. On the side of the road? Yeah, because it's like way up in

Speaker 11 Forest Land. Yeah, it's remote.

Speaker 11 So less than two weeks later, it gets worse.

Speaker 11 Should I sing the song? It gets so much worse.

Speaker 11 And it really did, no, thank you. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 11 But also, it really does.

Speaker 11 Two weeks later, Herbert picked up a hitchhiker named Mary Guilfoyle, who is a student at UC Santa Cruz. Don't cheer for it.

Speaker 11 Because, listen to this.

Speaker 11 He stabbed her in the heart in his car.

Speaker 11 Then he brought her body into the woods

Speaker 11 near the roadside. He cut her open.

Speaker 11 He hanged her intestines from tree branches.

Speaker 11 And he examined them for pollution.

Speaker 11 Yes. For fuck's sake.

Speaker 11 Her remains weren't found for several months.

Speaker 11 And when they were discovered, the police assumed that this murder was the work of Edmund Kemper.

Speaker 11 Because, you know, they weren't like, oh, it could be another fucking serial killer in Santa Cruz.

Speaker 54 You know, that other one.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Why don't you guys just go on that roller coaster down by the sea and relax?

Speaker 11 So Mary Guilfoyle's murder haunted Mullins to the point where on November 2nd, All Souls Day, he walked into Los Gatas Catholic Church.

Speaker 11 He took confession with Father Henry Thompson and he confessed everything.

Speaker 11 He talked about these murders in detail, but then when he was done, a voice told him that this priest was offering himself up as a sacrifice.

Speaker 11 How many times do I have to warn you? So

Speaker 11 Mullen stabbed Father Tomsey to death in the confessional and then walked out of the church.

Speaker 54 But then how do we know that he said all that to him? Sorry? How do we know that he confessed all that to him then?

Speaker 11 He told the police everything.

Speaker 54 Oh, I get the other one. Okay.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 He probably told his own story at the end of this

Speaker 11 insanity.

Speaker 11 So, then he tries to enlist in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 11 A natural next step.

Speaker 11 And though he did pass both the physical and psychiatric exams,

Speaker 11 he was rejected when they brought up his arrest record and saw his history of bizarre behavior.

Speaker 54 Also, he was colorblind.

Speaker 54 But otherwise, you're fine.

Speaker 11 That's fine.

Speaker 11 What? Flat feet. Get out of here.

Speaker 11 He later claimed that he never would have become a serial killer if he had just been accepted into the Marines.

Speaker 54 You've already killed three fucking people, dude.

Speaker 11 That's kind of a fake excuse. You have to admit.
Maybe.

Speaker 11 So this rejection affects him a lot to the point where he stops taking massive amounts of acid every

Speaker 11 day.

Speaker 11 But his

Speaker 11 severe, violent, paranoid schizophrenia is out of control, totally untreated. He believes that this rejection from the Marines is just another example of the conspiracy against him in his life.

Speaker 11 He also accuses his parents of participating in this conspiracy. He accuses them of being, quote, killjoy reincarnationalists.

Speaker 11 Which is not a real thing.

Speaker 11 Who believe their next lives would be more enjoyable if they made the current lives of others miserable?

Speaker 54 Man, can you imagine just being a parent? You're like, I want to have babies. I do too.
I love you.

Speaker 11 And then you just have this fucking asshole. Yeah.

Speaker 11 You just birth an asshole out onto the fucking table.

Speaker 11 Man. Tough.

Speaker 11 But also, it's kind of funny because then also, then I just think of like, when you're 13, it's just kind of just a teenage mentality of like, my parents lived to make everyone else's lives awful.

Speaker 11 You're a reincarnationist, didn't you?

Speaker 11 Fucking reincarnationalist. Alright.

Speaker 11 So, swept up in his paranoid delusions, Mullen decides to kill Jim Gennara, his high school pot dealer.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 54 That's a weird choice.

Speaker 11 It doesn't work that way, Herbert.

Speaker 11 He believes that because Jim sold him pot, that he was part of the plot to destroy his mind and that he had to avenge himself.

Speaker 54 The guy's like, I fucking sold you a Reagano, dude.

Speaker 11 Like, damn it. What was the thought? Why isn't it ever your fault, Herb?

Speaker 11 Why isn't it on you ever? All right. So around the same time, a voice told Mullen to buy a gun because it would be a cleaner way of killing people.

Speaker 11 On January 25th, 1973, Herbert Mullen drove to Jim Gennara's house, or where Jim Gennara lived when they were in high school.

Speaker 11 When he got there, he met current resident Kathy Francis.

Speaker 11 And she explained that Gennara didn't live there anymore. Herbert explained that he was a friend of Jim's, and so Kathy

Speaker 11 gave Mullen Jim's new address.

Speaker 11 That night, Mullen drove to the Gennara's new home and shot and killed Jim Gennara and his wife, Joan, and then stabbed them both repeatedly post-mortem.

Speaker 11 He then went back and murdered Kathy Francis

Speaker 11 And then she got away.

Speaker 11 And her two young sons.

Speaker 11 Fuck, man.

Speaker 11 Guys,

Speaker 11 it's in the name. My favorite murder.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 11 Oh, man.

Speaker 11 Because both Jim Gennara and Kathy Francis' husband had dealt drugs at one time, the police assumed that both of the murders being same M.O. had to be drug-related.
Please.

Speaker 11 Less than two weeks later, Mullins saw four teenage boys camping in Henry Cowell Redwood State Park.

Speaker 54 You've been there?

Speaker 11 Oh yeah. In fact, I didn't have time to look it up, but that might be where we went to camp.
I'm not kidding. This is serious.
Well, there's a bunch of state parks, but I would like it to be.

Speaker 11 These boys were David Oliger, 18, Robert Specter, 18, Brian Card, 19, and Mark Drabel-Biss, 15.

Speaker 11 Mullins approached them, posing as a park ranger and told them to leave claiming that they were polluting the park. Uh-oh.
Here's that word again. Fucking hippies.

Speaker 11 When the boys dismissed him, he pulled the gun, shot them all one by one. He stole a rifle from that campsite, and then he left.
Herbert Mullins' final murder took place on February 13th, 1973.

Speaker 11 Holy fuck. 73-year-old Fred Perez was gardening in his front yard.
Mullin drove by and shot him with the rifle that he stole from that campsite.

Speaker 11 Luckily, a neighbor witnessed the whole thing, wrote down Mullen's license plate number, called the police, and Herbert Mullen was arrested shortly thereafter with no incident.

Speaker 11 It is a nice feeling, isn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 11 They got him. And he was arrested without incident.
He was just like, yep, all right, we're done here. Wow.
But then they get to the police station. This is kind of my favorite part.
Okay.

Speaker 11 They get to the police station, and Mullen was totally uncooperative. His response to every question the police asked was, silence!

Speaker 11 Which you have to admit would be kind of fun if you got arrested.

Speaker 11 Yeah. And the police were like, Where were you? And then I was silence!

Speaker 54 I'm gonna try it next time I got arrested, I think.

Speaker 11 Or really, anytime. I mean, you're welcome to.
Thank you.

Speaker 54 So.

Speaker 11 When Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer, was arrested, he and Mullen were briefly held in adjoining cells. Santa Cruz.
Besties!

Speaker 11 Santa Cruz, best friends, killing all around the floor.

Speaker 54 Blood brothers, but through the...

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Keep it up. Keep it up, you fucking psycho.

Speaker 11 Kemper actually accused Mullen of stealing his dump sites, which is...

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 Ed, relax.

Speaker 11 He didn't even use dump sites, you fucking idiot. There's enough for everyone.

Speaker 11 Eventually, Herbert Mullen confessed to all 13 murders, explaining to police that these human sacrifices were necessary for earthquake prevention.

Speaker 11 Only you can prevent forest fires, he said to the police. And then he yelled, silence!

Speaker 54 Is that how they came up with the only you can prevent forest fires?

Speaker 11 Forest fires.

Speaker 54 Oh, did you know that was a...

Speaker 55 He looked a little bit like a bear.

Speaker 11 And they were like, hold on. And he was naked from the waist down with a hat on.

Speaker 11 Really deep voice.

Speaker 11 He also claimed that he had telepathically asked those four boys at the campsite if he could kill them and that they'd all given him permission.

Speaker 54 At least two of them would have been like, fuck no.

Speaker 11 You know? Yeah, that's when the police began to beat him senseless. Really? It's not on the internet anywhere, but we can pretty much be assured.

Speaker 11 In the end, Mullen was found guilty of two counts of first-degree murder because they proved that Kathy Francis and Jim Gennara's murders were premeditated.

Speaker 11 But everything else, they could not prove that, also, because he was so insane. So he had eight counts of second-degree murder.

Speaker 11 He was sentenced to life in prison. He will be eligible for parole in 2021

Speaker 11 when he is 74 years old.

Speaker 11 No. I doubt it'll work.

Speaker 11 I doubt it'll work out.

Speaker 54 Probably not. But, you know.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 11 That's all.

Speaker 11 Pretty good, bud.

Speaker 54 Listen, don't go off your meds, everyone. Yep.
I don't care what the fucking specter of your dad is telling you.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 54 Don't go off your meds. Yeah.

Speaker 11 If you hear voices, and I mean like even if there's someone standing behind you in line talking, get on those meds. Yep, I agree.
Fuck. I agree.

Speaker 12 Okay, and we're back.

Speaker 57 Karen, any updates?

Speaker 72 Yes.

Speaker 8 So Herbert Mullen was never granted parole.

Speaker 51 He died in prison of natural causes in 2022.

Speaker 8 So since I told the story of Herbert Mullen, there have been several either new or expanded mental health facilities that have opened in California, one in Madeira, and then one in Santa Rosa, which is the big town near Petaluma.

Speaker 60 There's Sacramento, Glendora, which is obviously all great.

Speaker 73 We need those kinds of facilities, except for that they're for-profit.

Speaker 72 So

Speaker 34 some of these new facilities have been linked to serious problems like understaffing, patient neglect, and even abuse and death.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 14 it's an oversight issue.

Speaker 8 In 2023, voters approved billions in funding to expand behavioral health infrastructure.

Speaker 8 But if we don't have stricter regulation, then those problems are, they're just going to keep making things unsafe until all of that stuff gets seriously regulated.

Speaker 37 So while there's technically more mental health care now,

Speaker 75 it's a mixed bag

Speaker 8 because it doesn't mean better care.

Speaker 4 I mean, you can't help but think about the fact that it's like, if it's for profit, why would they want people to get better?

Speaker 41 You know, like if the bed is filled, that's good.

Speaker 64 That's a positive.

Speaker 12 That, like, doesn't that doesn't equate getting treatment, right? Right.

Speaker 46 So, yes, that's just never going to happen.

Speaker 8 It's never going to happen in that where you're putting the goal way behind the financial game.

Speaker 51 We'll always be fucked.

Speaker 11 Totally.

Speaker 59 But, you know, that seems like such an old argument when we're literally building concentration camps in this country.

Speaker 26 This would be a great argument to have if someone else was in the office, but none of it now matters.

Speaker 12 This is all mute.

Speaker 10 This is all a moot point because we should put on mute.

Speaker 12 Let's mute the shit out of it.

Speaker 8 The only thing in the lately, especially with how egregious and insane everything is getting, it makes me go like, it almost makes me feel like everybody's going to be able to come together, or at least a larger percentage than could before to say, hey, what we need is oversight and regulation.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 41 No, I'm serious.

Speaker 12 Yes. I hope so.

Speaker 42 Okay. I hope so.

Speaker 26 We'll see if we have that opportunity or if that's taken away from us too.

Speaker 12 Hey, you know, we do have an opportunity for, though? A hometown.

Speaker 48 At this live show, Chloe came and she talked about the very upsetting Terra Linda barbecue murders.

Speaker 11 Um, I think we have time to do a hometown murder. I think so too.

Speaker 11 Now, here's the cool part:

Speaker 11 we know who we're gonna pick, yeah,

Speaker 11 because her name is Chloe.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Chloe,

Speaker 11 Where are you?

Speaker 13 No? Oh, she was fucking lying.

Speaker 11 She was fucking with us. Is there any way to bring these lights up a little bit? Chloe, you said you were going to be at the back of the orchestra pit.
That's what this is, I think, right?

Speaker 11 I hear her. There's pets.

Speaker 11 Chloe, do you know what an orchestra pit is? Because if you're yelling from anywhere that's not here.

Speaker 11 Did we forget to tell them that we're going to have someone from the audience? Chloe, you're from Oakland.

Speaker 11 Aha.

Speaker 11 There she is.

Speaker 54 The chairman left.

Speaker 11 Can you? Yeah, yeah. Go over there.
Look over there. Look at that girl in the plaid shirt.
Chloe. Listen to my voice.
See that girl that's waving her arms?

Speaker 11 Go to her.

Speaker 11 Jesus Christ. We've rehearsed this 15 times.

Speaker 54 Oh, that poor babe.

Speaker 11 If she wasn't nervous before,

Speaker 11 now we really built it up. Now I'm mad at her.
Get out here, god damn it.

Speaker 11 These people are waiting.

Speaker 11 Yay! Yeah.

Speaker 11 Come on.

Speaker 11 Hey.

Speaker 11 You're fine. It's fine.
What's going on? You're just going to throw up. Yeah, so am I.

Speaker 11 You look so sweet. Georgia.
That's Georgia. That's Chloe.

Speaker 11 I love you so much.

Speaker 11 Are you really Chloe?

Speaker 55 Yes, I am.

Speaker 54 Chloe tweeted at us.

Speaker 11 It's fine. I just signed up for Twitter yesterday.
Oh my god!

Speaker 11 Let's get her some followers.

Speaker 54 What's your handle?

Speaker 54 What's your handle? We'll get you some followers.

Speaker 55 It's Chloe Doors. This is my name.
D-O-O-R-S?

Speaker 11 R-E-S. Oh, that's adorable.
There's a couple.

Speaker 11 There she goes.

Speaker 54 She's going to have at least 2,000 followers by tomorrow.

Speaker 11 Here, so let's center up. Let's center up, Chloe.
None of this is real, so don't care. Let's get a nice stage picture.
Chloe, you'd be in the middle. I can't see any of you.
Yeah, I know, right?

Speaker 11 Just don't look at them.

Speaker 11 Okay. You have a hometown murder for us.
You can wrote it down.

Speaker 11 Really?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 55 I can't do this.

Speaker 11 Okay, all right. I got it.

Speaker 11 All right. I mean, we wish you would have memorized it.
That's what we do.

Speaker 11 Just wing it. Yeah.

Speaker 55 I'd like to pull a Van Morrison and just face the back of the stage right now.

Speaker 11 That's badass.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 11 Radio.

Speaker 11 Here we go.

Speaker 55 Stare at my my back while I tell you this.

Speaker 11 We can all do it. We can all.
Okay, wait. Let's really quick.
Okay. Where are you from? I'm from Fairfax.

Speaker 11 They love Fairfax.

Speaker 55 Tiny, tiny town in Marin, not far from Petaluma.

Speaker 11 That's right. Who are you here with? This is why I tweeted you avidly.
Okay. Fairfax.

Speaker 55 Anyway.

Speaker 11 Who are you here with?

Speaker 55 I'm here with my husband.

Speaker 55 Hi. Luke and my good friend Katie.
I can't see you guys.

Speaker 11 I'm pointing out. I'm just pointing.
It's fine.

Speaker 11 right. See you guys tomorrow.

Speaker 55 I'm going to hang out with Karen in Georgia tonight.

Speaker 11 No, she's not.

Speaker 54 We all get cake.

Speaker 11 Oh, I am. Uh-oh.
Oh, I am. Okay, so let's hear this hometown story.
Is this a Fairfax murder?

Speaker 55 No, it's very close. Terra Linda.
Okay.

Speaker 11 It's

Speaker 11 Terra Linda. Yes.

Speaker 55 Super creepy.

Speaker 55 This is called The Barbecue Murders. I'm not fucking with you.
I wrote it down. I'm terrified right now.
Just read it.

Speaker 55 Terra Linda is like a weird suburban colony of San Rafael. It's not a town.
It's where the mall is. It's where you go to go to the mall.
That's right. It's eerie.
It's super weird there.

Speaker 55 So I'm just going to read because I will start talking and barfing all over you.

Speaker 11 That'd be kind of cool. That's what our podcast motto is.

Speaker 11 We're super punk rock like that. I was.

Speaker 55 I was born in 1982.

Speaker 11 It's clearly, this is not about you. So

Speaker 55 it was a rainy day in October.

Speaker 11 Let's just say that.

Speaker 55 There's this thing about Terra Linda, it just feels like it was stuck in the 80s. It's like you go there to go to the mall, and it's the 80s and it's creepy.

Speaker 11 And there's a Kaiser up on the hill. There's a Kaiser and Mall.

Speaker 55 That's all that there is there. And a bunch of tract housing and like a Sizzler.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I used to get my allergy shots at that Kaiser three times a week. Did you really? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 55 Anyway,

Speaker 55 this really horrible double murder happened there in 1975.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 55 Here come my notes.

Speaker 11 Let's hear them.

Speaker 55 By a 16-year-old girl named Marlene Olive and her fucking loser boyfriend named Chuck.

Speaker 55 He was 20. She was 16 and he was 20.

Speaker 11 It was the 70s. Every 20-year-old in the 70s was named Chuck.

Speaker 54 And dating a 16-year-old.

Speaker 55 And a losing year old.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 55 This is the guy that sold drugs to the high school kids, not for money, but to be cool.

Speaker 11 And remember when you run that fast or you just theorize. I got that off Wikipedia.
Oh, you know.

Speaker 55 Girl, you know. Okay.

Speaker 55 Anyway, they started dating, and Marlene was really troubled, and she was adopted, and she found out when she was really young that she was adopted on accident, so she was all kinds of fucked up.

Speaker 54 She wasn't adopted on accident, she was adopted, and she found out on account of this.

Speaker 11 She found out on accident. I wasn't gasps, like clarification.

Speaker 11 We have a kid now. Now we have the keeper.

Speaker 11 I got the wrong luggage at the airport. Oh, wow.

Speaker 55 She had a great relationship with her adoptive father, but her adoptive mother was a schizophrenic alcoholic who was psychotic and was really mean to her and basically told her that her birth mom was a prostitute and she was going to be one too.

Speaker 55 All the stuff that makes you fucked up.

Speaker 54 I mean, yes,

Speaker 11 and then young Marlene yelled back sex worker.

Speaker 11 Exactly.

Speaker 11 It was the 70s.

Speaker 55 It was the 70s. And needless to say, it was the 70s.
Marlene got super into the occult.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 55 It's not real. And doing lots of drugs.
And

Speaker 55 she hated her mom, obviously, because she was crazy and super mean. And she

Speaker 55 decided that her parents had to die.

Speaker 55 And she also decided that her loser boyfriend had to be the one to kill them.

Speaker 11 Oh, that's a good call, actually.

Speaker 11 Keep your hands clean, Marlene.

Speaker 11 Right?

Speaker 55 I mean, you gotta be 16,

Speaker 55 not so dumb. Anyway, she had all the control in the relationship, obviously, because he agreed to do it.
So one day she leaves the house with her dad, and Chuck sneaks in and kills Naomi, her mom,

Speaker 55 with a hammer,

Speaker 55 and a knife, and

Speaker 55 some other stuff.

Speaker 55 And then Marlene's dad, Jim, comes home, finds Chuck, and Chuck shoots him as well. So both parents are dead.

Speaker 11 Oh, no.

Speaker 55 So Chuck and Marlene clean up the place and take the bodies to this beautiful state park in Santa Fe called China Camp.

Speaker 11 China Camp, yeah.

Speaker 11 I've had a Mickey's big mouth or two there myself.

Speaker 11 Like

Speaker 55 gorgeous, gorgeous. I can't go there ever again.

Speaker 55 And also just the FYI, the barbecue pit that they set the parents on fire in

Speaker 55 has been removed, so don't try to find it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, don't worry about it. You're like, why does this burger taste sad?

Speaker 55 Hence the barbecue.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so

Speaker 11 I'm a vegan.

Speaker 55 Set mom and dad on fire, went home

Speaker 55 kind of right after they did that because like logic left them burning oh yeah oh yeah yeah

Speaker 55 um and then they went to go uh live in the olive's home for about three days

Speaker 55 the plan was to uh wait until the parents were pronounced dead and they collected the life insurance and then they could go move to ecuador yeah so simple live their lives i can't imagine that plan didn't involve a joint at some point

Speaker 55 apparently they went to a yes concert.

Speaker 54 Oh my god, do not blame the time yesterday.

Speaker 54 Do not blame the time.

Speaker 11 I don't even.

Speaker 55 Anyway, they were caught, of course, because they're idiots. He is in prison for life.
She went to some juvenile something. She was 15 or 16.

Speaker 55 She was released after two years, moved to LA, became some superstar in the

Speaker 55 forgery.

Speaker 11 She did a lot of forgery. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 and you now know her gwyneth pouch i thought that's where you were going

Speaker 11 she's a superstar don't say anything similarities are uncanny uncanny we all have pasts exactly

Speaker 55 um i quickly have two connections to this murder besides just being a super weird kid and totally obsessed with this at the age of 10.

Speaker 55 I the then there I made my mom drive me to the house that it happened in.

Speaker 11 So I got

Speaker 11 when you were 10?

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 11 And your mom did it.

Speaker 55 Yeah, yes, she was like secretly, I think, kind of into it, even though she was like, This is weird.

Speaker 11 If I had a 10-year-old, everyone says that, yeah, she was weird, she was into it.

Speaker 55 We drove by,

Speaker 55 but the really creepy thing is that when I was 13, I started babysitting for a family about a block away from that house, and it's all tracked housing there. So, all the houses are the same.

Speaker 55 In the best-selling

Speaker 55 true crime book by Richard Levine, about this story called Bad Blood, Blood,

Speaker 55 a Marin County Family Murder.

Speaker 11 Oh,

Speaker 11 so there's a colon at the end of blood.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 55 He draws a layout of the home where both of these parents were murdered, and it's exactly the same as the house that I used to babysit in.

Speaker 55 And I just remember being 13 and like putting these kids down and walking around and being like, this is where this happened.

Speaker 11 I'm scintillated and excited and terrified.

Speaker 55 Pretty much everything I'm feeling right now.

Speaker 35 I'm done. That's it.
Chloe!

Speaker 35 Chloe, everybody!

Speaker 35 Nice!

Speaker 11 Beautifully done!

Speaker 11 So good.

Speaker 11 Really good.

Speaker 11 From a tweet.

Speaker 11 We trusted the tweet. Chloe!

Speaker 54 I mean, you just tell her to go away.

Speaker 55 What's up?

Speaker 54 Nothing.

Speaker 11 That was magical. Yeah.

Speaker 54 I love when that happens and it's not like some weird person.

Speaker 11 I know. It never is.
No. I mean, we've done it twice.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's true. That is true.

Speaker 11 I just like that, what if we didn't, if we were just like, forget it, we're not going to do that. And then she would have had that little folded up piece of paper in her pocket.

Speaker 11 But that's not what happened, everybody.

Speaker 54 It's someone else

Speaker 54 now.

Speaker 40 Here, I'm going to pretend like it was your story, Georgia.

Speaker 8 Do you have any updates for Chloe's case? Oh my gosh, Karen.

Speaker 12 Well, no updates, but we do have a corrections corner, corner, corner.

Speaker 66 During the show, Chloe stated that Charles Riley was in prison for life.

Speaker 61 In fact, Riley was originally granted parole in 2014, nearly 40 years after his conviction for the 1975 double murder of Naomi and Jim Olive.

Speaker 74 The parole board cited his decades of model behavior, completion of rehabilitation programs, and expressed remorse.

Speaker 45 Psychological evaluations concluded he posed a low risk of reoffending.

Speaker 10 governor jerry brown reversed the decision in 2014 but a state appeals court overturned that reversal in 2015 allowing riley to be released at the age of 59 which i mean the whole point is rehabilitation right completely i mean if he if he had to pass all of those tests and they're like yep we're putting him through every possible stress test and he's passing Yes, let him out because he was a very young man when this happened.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 8 What you do in your 20.

Speaker 67 Like,

Speaker 63 now he's 60.

Speaker 46 Yeah, but, you know, that doesn't help the victims' families.

Speaker 27 It's just such a hard, it's a hard discussion to have because it's just impossible to get to a period about it.

Speaker 46 Completely.

Speaker 8 And there's such, the loss is so great that it kind of doesn't matter on the other side.

Speaker 8 When you start talking about the offender, it's again, it's like all that kind of extraneous, like, well, that's a nice idea.

Speaker 59 Yeah. Meanwhile, our loved ones are dead.

Speaker 12 Totally.

Speaker 50 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Well, maybe we'll say hi to Chloe when we're back in Oakland at the Paramount Theater on October 2nd and 3rd of this year, 2025.

Speaker 12 Our Lord.

Speaker 8 Nice plug.

Speaker 12 Thanks.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think at the time of this recording, tickets are still available.

Speaker 48 Okay, we should talk about titles. Obviously, as we bragged, this episode was originally titled Live at the Fox Theater.

Speaker 66 But if we were naming it today based on something that was said during the episode, maybe it would be pockets, pockets, pockets.

Speaker 37 I think it was so satisfying how, much like the sale response,

Speaker 8 how much people agree with us and we agree with them that pockets for women's clothes are a necessity.

Speaker 61 A worth the standing ovation.

Speaker 5 Like, that's one of the many things I've learned during this podcast.

Speaker 64 The biggest surprises of this podcast is that people will cheer a dress with pockets.

Speaker 65 And that makes me like kind of feel okay about the human race, you know?

Speaker 71 Yes. I think we are doing okay.

Speaker 12 And I think them playing along with our, let's show off our outfits like we're five years old is like, this is one of the first times we did that.

Speaker 48 And it made it so fun where we're like, oh yeah, this is just, it's all the gals together.

Speaker 27 Yeah, especially when I did a twirl when we were in Texas and showed everyone my underwear on accident.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 72 Remember when you broke the back out of that one dress just for fun?

Speaker 43 That was my, I think that might be my favorite tour memory of all.

Speaker 66 I thought about that while I was trying on dresses today because there were a couple that were like, this fits quote, but like, there's not a room for a breath.

Speaker 69 You know, but I think that's when you're on the edge there. Yeah.

Speaker 43 It loves that tension.

Speaker 47 Like, you can't sit comfortably, but what's, it's a live show.

Speaker 64 Why would you?

Speaker 8 No, no one's comfortable. No.

Speaker 52 Georgia also, the title could be, sounds like our government.

Speaker 40 Oh, it's just, it never stops.

Speaker 12 Georgia

Speaker 72 was talking about Lauren Herzog's tattoos during her story and said that line.

Speaker 10 That's always applicable, apparently.

Speaker 46 Sounds like our government.

Speaker 64 And of course, Chloe's classic, we could call it Pulla Van Morrison.

Speaker 8 I mean, such a good joke.

Speaker 45 We must.

Speaker 8 So genius.

Speaker 49 Well, that's a live show, Rewind.

Speaker 26 Thank you guys for listening.

Speaker 41 We'll let the Karen and Georgia from then and there at the Fox Theater say goodbye for us.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 11 Oh, really quick.

Speaker 54 Stephen offered to drive up from Los Angeles to bring my passport.

Speaker 11 Oh, my. Okay.

Speaker 11 I got to tell you what.

Speaker 11 Ever since Stephen has been promoted from just like the guy that records our podcast so we don't have to like move the dials and stuff, we were like, Stephen, you please help us with these emails.

Speaker 11 And he's like, okay, I totally will. He's completely organized all of our hometown murder emails.
But now he's turned into like the super assistant. We're like,

Speaker 11 like, what did he say? He was like,

Speaker 54 what are you going to text tonight? Yes. He was like, hey, I just want to let you know you're on your way to a hotel and they have a printer, so if you need to print out your story, it's there.

Speaker 54 And I'm like, I know how fucking hotels work, Stephen.

Speaker 11 He's doing

Speaker 11 calling hotels. Yes, I need to speak to the business center, please.

Speaker 54 Do you have papers? She likes this kind of grain.

Speaker 11 Don't look her in the eye when she goes into the business center.

Speaker 54 I actually didn't print it up there and I was going to send it to them, but it said Speed Freak Killers, the name of the document. So I was like, I'm going to print it at the venue.

Speaker 11 Just a little paperwork from a job.

Speaker 54 So yes, hi to Stephen Ray Morris for being an angel baby.

Speaker 11 Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 11 Yeah. You know who else is the best?

Speaker 11 The Fox Theater in Oakland, California. Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 11 Thank you all so much. This is amazing.

Speaker 11 We love you for coming here. Thank you.
We love you for getting tickets and fucking being a part of our world. First night of our tour.
Yeah, there.

Speaker 11 First night.

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