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Hello!

We are very excited today because we just released our newest limited series from our partners over at Blanchard House, and it's called Hell in Heaven.

It's a true crime story about a rich American couple who escaped to the Costa Rican jungle to build their dream home, complete with armed guards and a bedroom lit by 400 Tiffany lamps.

But their dream turns into a nightmare as isolation and paranoia leads to a mysterious death.

And we're lucky to be talking to the award-winning investigative journalist who tracked this story down.

You know her from her 2024 podcast right here on Exactly Right, The Butterfly King.

It is Becky Milligan.

Hello, Becky.

Hi.

Hi.

Hi, Georgia.

Hi, Karen.

Really nice to be here.

Great to see you again.

We haven't seen you since the Butterfly King premiere.

I know it's a bit of time away, but you know, I've been working away, been off to Costa Rica and doing this story, which has been amazing.

How did you find this story originally?

Well, It was actually a while back and I was sort of reading through a few stories and then a friend actually said, Did you hear about this story?

I read it and I thought you might be interested.

And then we found much more detail about it, and then we found a book.

And we just thought, Oh, this is just incredible.

It just has everything.

And we thought we'd pursue it then and just see what we could do with it.

Yeah, it's so dramatic when you make the trek to the actual compound, essentially, in Costa Rica, and there are security guards, and they're filming you.

Was there ever a point where you were afraid for your lives?

Well, I'm always a bit of a scaredy cat.

Same.

Same.

When I see guns, I just think, let's get out of here.

But I was obviously with Poppy Damon, the producer, and our sound recordist, Dan, and they were really busy sort of chatting and just seeing what was going on.

And I was the one who was suddenly saying, listen, guys, there's a guy with a gun.

It's actually pointed towards it.

We've got to get out of here.

So, yeah, there were times when I get a bit frightened.

I don't think it was actually threatening, but it is a bit scary when you see that.

Yeah, that's so intense.

I love that you're saying you're a bit of a scaredy cat, except for that you're an investigative journalist.

What a contradiction.

Well, not really.

I never want to go to really scary places, but I just sort of end up being there.

But anyway, I try and avoid it.

But this was an amazing jungle.

I mean, you know, our couple wanted to escape all the sort of people and sounds of the city and set up a sort of utopia of paradise with wildlife.

But I tell you what, being there in the jungle, it is so noisy.

And you have the, you'll hear it in the show, these howler monkeys, I'm sure you know them, but they were new to me.

And it's like through the jungle howling like a dinosaur.

It was just so incredible to be there and see their incredible house.

How much do you think that the either the house, the compound,

or the jungle itself, how much of a role do you think that played in the story?

Do you think their story would have played out the way it did had they not, you know, had the circumstances that they did?

I think the house is really important because it's kind of central to the story.

When we got there and we got through the jungle and, you know, eventually found this hilltop with what looked like a spaceship on top of it, you know, four stories.

It just felt so symbolic and symbolic of the story.

And the way they built it, the way that they wanted the animals to interact with the house and the jungle around it and bring it back to its natural state.

It feels as though nature sort of played its part, as did the house, almost how they were almost in conflict, but not.

So I think the fact that the house was isolated on a hill, there were these wonderful couple in lots of ways who wanted to create something beautiful.

I think the house really played a part in it.

It just, it was sort of just

both beautiful, but also isolated and a bit of a threat.

Yeah.

There's so many good interviews in this podcast.

I really love that.

There's people really bringing color to the story and real perspective, like people that were there trying to explain this kind of outrageous and outlandish true crime story.

How do you find people like that?

Is that just you tracking people down?

Do you ever do it in the moment, like when you're on scene?

Oh,

all the time.

You know what?

What was really special about this is you can set up interviews and read loads and all of that and write something and do a few interviews online or whatever.

But when you go somewhere and you're actually sitting down with people, they tell you about, hey, have you spoken to Joe down there or so-and-so over there?

They have a story to tell.

And we found that all the time.

It just,

whatever you fix up, serendipity steps in when you're...

on the ground.

You just, and it's great because you feel like you're doing the proper job because you're actually just knocking on doors and saying, hey, what about this?

What about that?

And we did with the characters were just so much fun to meet.

And obviously there were gaps that people had in the knowledge of the story.

And so they filled it with gossip and with their own theories.

And it kind of almost drifts on the air as you're going through the jungle.

So yes, absolutely.

And you do.

You just stop people in the street.

They sort of know the story.

So you quickly...

chat to them and see whether they know enough to be able to add to the story.

It's amazing, really.

Yeah.

Wow.

Ultimately, this is a true crime story.

It's a mysterious death.

What do you think it is about those stories, like the Butterfly King as well, that draws you, Becky, to those stories?

Well, for me personally, it's the idea there may be a little mystery.

The idea that there are people who are involved in it who are able to tell you what really happened.

Underneath it all, the real story, there is a human story.

And there's this sort of bigger theme that when you think about John and Anne, it was their desire to find peace, to find a utopia.

And they did this together to get away from people and searching for a place where they could exist with nature.

And so I think it just makes you think about we all want that.

You know, we're all there with them.

And it turned into a dreadful tragedy.

But there's something that we can all connect with, with every single person we speak to, I hope.

But also, just to what really brought it down to earth i don't want to say exactly who we spoke to but not not to give too much away but we did meet the parents of one of the couple and what it did it just brings you straight down to earth at that point because it is terrible terrible grief and a grief that isn't over and it never will be and i think that you know seeing that couple hold their hands, reach for each other's hands under the table to grip on for dear life when they're talking about the story, it makes you really realize that this is a very human story and I hope told with sensitivity and respect for all their family and friends.

Well, I'm sure it is because Becky, you're the best in the business.

I mean, it's such an honor to be able to work with you and to be able to, you know, show everybody your work because you're incredible.

And this pod, this podcast is so good.

Everybody at the network that has to listen to it for whatever department, whatever reason, everyone is blown away.

You did an amazing job.

Can we just ask you one final question, which is, what's the scariest thing you saw in the jungle?

Did you see a snake?

Did you see a giant spider?

Did you ever fall into quicksand?

Anything?

Anything at all.

I think

the scariest thing was we did stop off at this

waterfall and we were sitting there and I was...

I don't know why, but I always felt I was sort of mother of everyone there.

And they were all climbing up and Poppy was beginning to sort of strip off and whatever.

It was very hot.

And then I looked over and I saw this shadow, black shadow.

And I started to go, oh my God, it's a lion.

I mean, not a lion.

I didn't know what it was.

But anyway, it was this animal.

I was really scared.

And I turned to Poppy.

She'd seen it.

And she said, don't worry.

It's just like a cat.

And it's like the cat that John had as a pet.

It's fine.

And then it disappeared, slithered away.

So I didn't see a snake.

I didn't, I mean, there were really terrible thing, you know, things that could kill you with one bite, but I just stayed on the on the paths religiously.

Yeah, sounds like the smart way to handle the jungle.

But thank you very much.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

And, you know, it was an absolute privilege to do.

Thank you so much, Becky.

Thanks for talking to us today.

And we're so excited to share the podcast with everyone.

Thank you so much.

It's great to see you guys again.

Great to see you.

All right.

Now it's time to listen to the first episode of Hell in Heaven.

When you're done, episode two is waiting for you over at the Hell in Heaven feed.

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New episodes of Hell in Heaven drop every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Now, please enjoy episode one of Hell in Heaven.

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January the 7th, 2010.

We're outside the house of John and Anne Bender, a young American couple who've built an extravagant home and wildlife refuge in the middle of the Costa Rican rainforest.

John made a multi-million dollar fortune on Wall Street.

Anne is his bright and glamorous wife.

It's now one in the morning.

The emergency call came in an hour ago.

A shooting

and a casualty.

That's the voice of Carlos Mora.

He was the ambulance driver who was on the scene that night.

I've tracked him down.

Now, he's attended hundreds of violent incidents over the years, but this one stands out.

He's never experienced anything like it before or since, and he's not alone.

All the people I've found while reporting on this story remember it in vivid detail.

I'm Becky Milligan.

I broke stories for the BBC for almost 30 years, and I've reported on some pretty strange events.

But this one is the strangest of all.

So, back to that night, Carlos enters the Bender's house

and he gets in the elevator.

And just like everything else in this house, this is no ordinary elevator.

It's a round, open platform that rises up through the building.

Carlos grips onto the handrail.

He sees each floor as it passes.

The house is incredible, he says.

He's never seen a place like it.

It's like an enormous spaceship.

Inside, it's all stainless steel and shiny black floors, reflective like pools of water.

There's a lot of money here.

Who could own such a house?

He asks himself.

A drug trafficker?

Carlos is anxious.

Guards and security are everywhere, armed with heavy-caliber weapons.

They're speaking to each other in hushed voices.

He's been told he has to go up to the fourth floor, the master bedroom.

He passes the first floor.

The second floor, a vast kitchen.

The third floor.

The fourth floor.

The bedroom.

And on the bed, a body, curled up as if asleep.

But as Carlos gets closer, he takes in the horror of it all.

The gunshot wound at the back of the head.

The victim's left arm dangling off the bed.

Blood dripping from it, forming a pool on the highly polished marble floor.

And near it on the floor,

the gun.

A semi-automatic.

At first, the police will assume this is a suicide,

but not for long.

And here's why:

the gun seems to have dropped from the victim's left hand, yet the entry wound is on the right side of the head.

Not only that,

the bullet was fired

from behind.

From Exactly Right Media and iHeart Podcasts, produced by Blanchard House, this is Hell in Heaven.

I'm Becky Milligan.

Chapter 1 The House of Secrets

Our story begins and ends with a house, built and owned by Anne and John Bender.

This place is their dream home.

When they first move here, they're both in their 30s.

He's made his millions and now he wants to put them to good use, to enjoy them, by creating a wildlife sanctuary.

So our couple are young and they're in love.

Completely in love.

Devoted.

It seems they live only for each other and all the beloved animals they've rescued.

John also has his rare orchids and Anne has her collection of Tiffany lamps.

Hundreds of them.

So Anne and John have everything they need right here.

In their house in the middle of the jungle, a house unlike any other, and which will, in time, be the scene of a terrible tragedy and a mystery.

So I land in Costa Rica to investigate this story.

And by coincidence, my 18-year-old daughter is already here, working on a conservation project elsewhere in the country.

She's been messaging me, telling me all about protecting turtle eggs on pristine beaches, relaxing in camp as monkeys play in the trees, and about how she showers in the open air as hummingbirds hover close by.

Paradise.

But as I arrive in the country and discover more about this story, about the dark side of life in Costa Rica, the more I start to worry about my daughter.

and worry about myself turning into some sort of internet meme.

A hysterical, over-protective mother convinced her daughter is about to die.

Not only that, I'm not coping too well with the climate either.

Gosh, it's quite tiring, isn't it, in this heat?

Scotland in autumn is more my thing, and that's a lot cooler than it is here.

My producer Poppy and I have driven four hours from the capital San Jose.

A hair-raising drive around hairpin bends with sheer drops on either side.

But we're now deep in the rainforest searching for John and Anne Bender's house.

First, through a slight clearing we come upon the Diamonte waterfall which gives this valley its name.

Oh wow, that's it.

Oh my goodness, is that it?

It's so high up.

I forget.

I've seen the cliff face.

Water tumbles from a high ridge down the cliff face and is swallowed up by the forest below.

Blue, green and yellow birds flutter above our heads and the noise is intense and strange roars echo in the distance like dinosaurs.

Sounds enchanting but the truth is we're already on edge.

We've been spooked by a phone call we made just before we set out.

It's like warm in the daytime, kind of cool at night, crystal clear spring water blowing out of the mountains.

Fruits and vegetables grow real easily, nice vegetables, tomatoes, bananas.

We never thought we were coming back.

That's John Colvick, who knows the area and used to be the Bender's neighbor.

And John had a warning.

There was my wife and I, and

that was about it.

So you're alone on this giant farm in the deep jungle most of the time.

It's a strange thing.

Sounds morbid, but a lot of people die off there,

and a lot of people go kind of crazy.

They lose it.

They actually lose it.

Struggling with anything in the jungle, you're going to face your inner demons.

John's words really unsettle us.

There's folklore about the Diamante waterfall.

I'd be damned if all the people that move in and out of there don't go that shit.

You know, the hippies have some theory of the vortex of energy that spins off the waterfall.

The Indians say it's a curse because they were run off their land.

Any way you cut it, the families go nuts, they fall apart, people die.

I don't know anyone who's lived facing that waterfall that just set up shop and enjoyed this majestic view and just soaked it in.

Long term.

I really don't.

Sometimes I think it's from isolation, you know, cabin fever, they go nuts.

You could have cabin fever.

My wife asked me, she says, are you ever going to put clothes on again?

I would go three or four days in my rubber boots.

You know, I didn't see anyone.

It sounds like an exaggeration that people go mad and lose it.

But by the end of our story, you won't think so.

Shit, that place is the darkest jungle you ever seen in your life.

You have no clue.

We leave the waterfall behind and walk even deeper into the jungle in search of John and Ambenda's house, which they called Bora Khayan.

Okay, I'm seeing some barbed wire fence, so I think we're getting close.

That even looks like cut lawn.

It does.

Right up the slope there.

We see the slopes of the gardens first, and then through the trees and foliage.

Oh my god!

That's really it.

It's just enormous.

It's like a spaceship's landed on the top of a hill in the middle of the jungle in Costa Rica.

It's like four stories with this dome at the top.

It's constructed from huge concrete slabs and columns and 50,000 square feet around the same size as a soccer pitch and it's round.

Imagine that on a jungle hilltop rising way above the tops of the trees and you get an idea of what it looks like and how out of place it is.

The views are incredible.

In the evening, John and Anne would sit and look out across the jungle, enjoying the glorious sunsets, enjoying each other's company.

In the daytime, they'd zoom around on their 5,000 acres of land on a quad bike, busying themselves with their wildlife refuge, caring for all the animals they'd saved.

A great black hawk, a Jaguarundi, which is a wild cat on the verge of extinction.

And Anne also had her dog, a German shepherd called Millie.

It really is an astonishing place.

But being here now,

there's a sinister edge to it all.

I can see why they loved it.

It's completely isolated.

But there are gates here, a couple of guards, and there's no entry.

There's just no way we can get in.

And even at the top, I can see a guard

sort of walking the perimeter.

I think he is filming.

In fact, he was filming us.

They're getting a bit tense, all the guards.

Okay, good tonight.

We'd asked permission to go inside weeks before and hadn't received a response.

But just as we're leaving.

A man turns up in fatigues.

Hey.

Orlando or no?

Yes.

Are you Orlando?

We're making a documentary about Anne and John, but it's not possible to go inside, is it?

No.

He puts his hand up and shakes his head.

Well, thanks very much for your time.

Have a good day.

Bye.

The house is up for sale, empty, and there's a sadness about it, almost like the structure holds memories of what took place here.

Twenty years ago, Osvaldo Rochas had been preparing to meet his new boss.

He knew nothing about him apart from his name, John Bender, and that he'd bought up some land in Diamonte Valley.

He ended up working for the Benders for ten years.

Osvaldo was grateful for the job, and grateful too to his former boss, also an American.

Jim had sold his farm to the new arrivals, John and Anne, but made sure his young maintenance man wouldn't lose his well-paid job, which were pretty hard to come by in Perez.

I understand there was a clause in the contract where Jim, the previous owner, specified that I had to continue working on the property when the sale was made.

I stayed to take care of the property until John Bender arrived.

Back then, everyone in town was gossiping about the new Gringos moving to the valley.

Gringos is what Costa Ricans call Americans.

Most foreigners are Gringos.

The locals are called Ticos.

What was clear was that they were rich Gringos.

Nobody knew how rich, but then nobody really knew who this couple were at all, least of all Esvaldo.

He remembers the day they arrived very clearly, because he was a bit nervous and wasn't sure what to expect.

Before the house was built, the new couple were staying at a place in town.

I remember being surprised when they show up in the little car.

They were mostly reserved people, especially Jon.

He didn't like to interact much with others.

He would prefer the mountains and he said something like, I hate this property.

I've been deceived.

He never realized that the house was so close to the center of town until they arrived.

We didn't realize how young they were.

We expected to see an older couple.

He was a big man.

She was thin and pretty.

Bonita.

That was the word everyone used to describe Anne.

And John, at six foot five, was built like an American footballer.

A guy who clearly worked out.

Hugely muscular,

gorgeous, blue eyes, dark hair.

Carol Vaughan, an ex-pattern author who moved to the town a few years later, was taken by how glamorous the couple were.

Just handsome.

Moby star handsome.

She was

petite,

delicate.

Moved like a ballerina.

She reminded me a lot of Audrey Hepburn.

Despite his physique, John was a gentle soul.

He was kind to all animals, even the tiniest insect.

Back home in the US, he'd taken in dozens of stray cats, and he was incredibly smart, good with numbers.

Anne, meanwhile, had been the most popular kid at school.

No doubt, they were a striking couple.

There's a photo of them taken on their new property.

John is standing behind Anne in shorts and a t-shirt, one arm wrapped around her chest, the other around her waist, in a protective way.

He towers above her, and Anne, in jeans, is holding onto his arms and leaning back slightly against him.

Their dream is taking shape around them.

They look happy and relaxed.

The perfect couple.

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Whenever I got through the window, I tried to pick him up, but his body was stiff.

I'm Ben Westoff, and this is The Peacemaker, a true crime podcast investigating a string of mysterious deaths at a prestigious Missouri university, and the fraternity brother at the center of it all.

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John and Anne arrived in Costa Rica with a reported $600 million,

an eye-watering fortune which would in time be bitterly fought over.

But that comes later in our story.

All anyone knew at this time was that they wanted land and they had the money to pay for it.

Author Carol Vaughan.

And when the word got out, people were desperate to make a killing off Americans because it happens a lot.

And the benders found their mailbox just stuffed with people's deeds saying, here it is, pay me.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Just they were so desperate.

They just wanted the money.

They wanted the money.

Yep.

And they didn't want to be the only one in the neighborhood who didn't make a fortune off the gringos.

I mean if Raul is making $100,000, I should make $100,000.

I've got a deed here.

Pay me.

In total, the Benders bought up 5,000 acres from expats like Jim, locals and small farmers, some of whom had grown coffee on their land for generations.

It was in a perfect position.

From the top of their hill, they had great views of the jungle, the Diamonte waterfall, and the sea beyond.

A romantic setting to watch the famous Costa Rican sunsets turn the sky to a burning red, orange and yellow.

This was where they would build their enormous house, which they would christen Boracayan.

You're probably wondering what that means.

We wondered, too.

Apparently, it's the name of a local plant.

Construction work began.

John Bender had a vision for his new property, to create a new way of living, unconstrained by normal rules.

Building a house on this scale in the middle of the jungle, well, it was a huge undertaking and massively ambitious.

But then, John was like that.

Hi there!

Hello!

I was wondering when we were here for a good morning.

Thank you so much.

I met John's parents in Phoenix, Arizona.

We'd already talked quite a bit online before I met them in person.

You know what's amazing is seeing you on Zoom and now being here.

John's mum is a teacher.

John's dad is an eminent law professor and worked in the Clinton administration.

This was the first time they'd invited journalists to their home to talk about their son.

Their love for John is plain to see.

They hold hands under the table as they talk about him.

But they couldn't couldn't really relate to John's life making millions on Wall Street.

Money isn't important to them, and they worried about the path he'd chosen.

So when John decided to set up the wildlife sanctuary, I get the feeling they were relieved he was leaving the world of high finance behind.

Though when John told his dad about the plans for their enormous house, Paul was pretty surprised.

Well, he was going to build this high-tech thing

in the middle of the jungle, basically.

And it seemed to me impossible to do that.

And the way he did it was to

decide where he wanted to put it and then have the people come there and build it.

So he had like an army of people building this thing.

And what you've seen, what turned out, it has nothing to do with the jungle.

But

it was exactly what they wanted.

I have a lot of pictures that we took down there.

Paul fired up his computer and scrolled through, showing us photos of the house being built.

In the photos, the structure was up, but not much else.

It was an empty concrete shell.

Okay, there it is.

That's the house.

Oh, gosh.

We haven't seen it.

Is that under construction?

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness.

Paul showed us more photos when the new floors have been put in.

That granite is, it is like almost like a mirror, isn't it?

It's so shiny.

Yes, he really liked that.

It's obvious that Margie and Paul are so proud of what John achieved.

He had a dream and he made it real.

I don't think John ever thought there were limitations to things.

If he wanted it to be round, it could be round.

What they really wanted to do was what they did, was find the place that was away from most of the world in a beautiful place, which had a lot of animals and a lot of greenery.

They really wanted to be away from

the world.

They did.

The house took a total of four years to build.

The Benders moved in before it was finished.

As Valdo, the head staffer, stayed at the couple's house in town and watched the jungle retreat take shape.

We were there from the beginning.

It was a huge building side.

We could see the workers on the street, like 150 workers spread all over.

We saw the house going up little by little.

One of his jobs was to clean the house, and so he can tell us precisely what it was like inside.

The fourth floor was all the bedroom with the bed in the middle and some rustic furniture made to order.

He didn't like anything lavish.

The third floor was empty.

John had planned to put in a greenhouse for his orchids, but never got round to it.

On the second floor was the kitchen,

which was enormous.

Four kitchens could fit inside it.

It was like no other house in the whole valley, standing on top of the hill, a four-storey round home.

It came with huge pools of water, road gutters to prevent flooding, and there was one feature in particular that said this couple had serious money.

Because when John and Anne came here, they didn't make that four-hour car journey.

They would fly in and out, landing on a helipad below the main entrance.

Locals came to call the house the dome because of the shape of the roof, which could be seen for miles around and you could not make this shit up there's one other detail about the house which people never fail to mention including expat Carol Vaughan the house has no walls yes the house has no walls there's screens that are pulled down from the ceiling at night that keep bugs and animals out but during the day it was wide open designed by John with Anne's decorating touch.

The house is magnificent.

It was open on all all sides and you felt that you were really in the jungle.

The bathrooms had walls.

I think that was

a concession that he made to

the inside was just open space.

What are you going to do with all this space?

I never got the answer to that.

I don't think he ever did anything with all that space.

Some describe it as looking like an anniversary clock, a shopping mall, or a car park.

Not very flattering.

But whether you like the design or not, it was an amazing feat.

Hundreds of people were employed to build it and paid well.

And it changed Osvaldo's hometown for good.

As we say, John came to put the town on the map.

This was an abandoned place.

In 2000, there was not even electricity.

When John arrived, he brought life to the place.

He brought jobs.

And foreigners became interested in buying land.

So the economy began to move after being practically abandoned, like many other places here in Costa Rica.

When the house was complete, John and Anne threw a party for all the workers and their families.

But as Valdo says, it was the only party the Benders ever had.

The house would never see so much life and light again as John and Anne retreated from the world, and their lives became shrouded in darkness.

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Whenever I got through the window, I tried to pick him up and his body was stiff.

I'm Ben Westoff and this is The Peacemaker, a true crime podcast investigating a string of mysterious deaths at a prestigious Missouri University and the fraternity brother at the center of it all.

A few years back, two fraternity brothers died by suicide just weeks apart.

in shockingly similar ways.

Both were discovered by the same student, Brandon Grossheim.

I laid him down, and

I tilted his head back and presented him mouth to mouth in CPR.

At first, people gave Brandon the benefit of the doubt.

But when three more acquaintances died the following year, the tide turned.

The lawsuit says Grossheim was one of the last people to see each victim before their death.

Was he profoundly unlucky, or was something much darker at play?

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Think back to the early 2000s.

You're flipping through TV channels, and then you hear this.

I was rooting for you!

We were all rooting for you!

How dare you!

Learn something from this!

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We basically sold our souls and they got rich.

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The house wasn't just a sanctuary for John and Anne, but for animals too, of course.

We had two large parrots and a parrot with a broken wing,

some monkeys, the sloth, of course,

and a baby Tolumuku, a black creature from the the weasel family, which John loved and called Leo.

He lived alongside two injured Persian cats, which John had adopted.

There was the duck and the falcons and the snakes.

That's only the beginning.

And Anne had Peter the sloth.

Was it friendly?

Oh, yeah.

But we slept all the time.

I mean,

it's a three-toed sloth.

A sloth, after all.

The name has come from this proclivity to sleep all the time.

Anne and John loved all animals ever since they were children.

As adults, they both said they got on better with animals than with people.

John also had a good feeling about animals, just a magician with animals.

So we always had a lot of animals, and I think both kids really enjoyed them.

It was a menagerie.

One reason for the absence of wolves was to be at one with the jungle.

The animals could come and go as they pleased.

Sometimes when Anne and John had a bath, parrots would perch beside them and keep them company.

They wanted to turn back the clock, restoring the land to its wild state before it was farmed.

He was feeding it, he was bringing back the food that the land had had when it was natural and grew its own weeds, if you want to call them that and other things.

He was trying to get that back into the soil.

Then, after three or four years, we did start to see more animals around.

As the years went by, John and Anne would become increasingly isolated, holed up alone in their house with no walls.

They had few visitors, but early on, before their home was completed, they made an exception for Zach Schweger and his dad Jack, who John had invited to come and see the house.

Jack and John were friends.

He said, hey, you know, you should come down sometime.

So when my son graduated high school and he wanted to take a father-son trip, I said, that sounded like a little bit of an adventure.

I said, hey, you want to go to, you know, Costa Rica to John and Ann Bender's compound.

Zach Schweger was just 19.

My first time, kind of like out of the country, people speaking different languages.

They were picked up by a land cruiser.

And we're driving for what I remember was hours.

It's hard to describe this part of what it was like to get there because it was like truly out of a video game or a movie.

You can't really see much because like you pull in it's a dirt road but it kind of leads up and up and up

the roads you could lose a jeep in the bottles and then everything around you is brainforest like large thick lush trees

i had no idea like this is what it was like yeah like

my dad had undersold this by a million percent like we were we were in

a movie set.

Then he met their host who'd taken up the traditional way to cut through the jungle because just like this big brute of a guy uh kind of like had a good good healthy beard and a machete on his waist straight off he loved john who took them on a tour of his property and like almost had like a skip but a stomp to his step you know what i mean like he walks like that jungle very confidently

he was proud of what he was doing He loved the rainforest, you know, so I think a good deal of self-satisfaction that he was protecting this land.

And John and Anne seemed uniquely matched.

A couple that doesn't need to ask twice for things.

A couple like where John sits down, like she knows he's thirsty, type of thing.

But like she willingly wants to make sure Jonathan is not a thirsty person.

There was a lot of just like warmth and care that came from Anne.

So it was special.

And I'm like, man, this person is just such a sweetheart.

He and Anne were very much in love, as far as I could tell.

Zach remembers the trip vividly, and one conversation in particular illustrated John's fierce intellect.

One evening.

It's just

three dudes kind of like hanging out, shooting the shit.

And

this is maybe like where I felt a little out of my eleventh.

Both Jonathan,

super intelligent, and my father, super intelligent.

And then John turned to Zach and said...

I don't need to ask like such a random question, but are you familiar with quantum superposition?

Yes, quantum superposition.

So John like took my dad deeply through quantum superposition, basically this idea that

based on

waveforms that electrons can exist in two places at once.

He was walking through several experiments, like one where like electrons were shot at like a gold leaf.

But that like kind of changed my life in the sense that I was opened up to this whole world of like reality or not reality.

And like Jonathan had kind of brought me into this place of where for the first time, like I questioned like what's real and what's not real.

And nobody had ever done that.

For Zach, still in his teens, who'd never been to a foreign country, meeting John on his jungle reserve made a lifelong impression on him.

It was like this very weird time where everything was perfect.

Like the wind was perfect.

The temperature was perfect.

Like the seats weren't uncomfortable.

The beer was still cold.

And the sky was just this like perfect orange.

And, you know, everything was super green.

John was like somehow on center stage without like detracting from like this perfection.

It was like just one of those moments where like the second that it was happening, you're like, please, God, like, do not let this end.

Like, don't, whatever you do, just like, do not have this moment stop.

But everything would change, and the benders would find themselves becoming further and further divorced from reality.

Even then, the signs were there.

This might have been a piece of paradise.

But in this paradise, Zach noticed one thing that seemed strange, a puncture on the otherwise perfect scene.

And all of a sudden, there's guys with guns.

And definitely something my father never said to me.

It's like, there's going to be men with guns.

Like, and lots of men with guns.

They weren't friendly.

They didn't say hi.

They weren't like, hey, like, I know I'm a random random dude with a gun that doesn't speak the same language as you.

Don't be frightened.

They were just kind of, they were kind of there.

Those guys with assault rifles, you know, at the gate.

And like you would imagine, if it was a drug car calm, right, the armed people he had working for them would do these patrols, you know, like round the clock and stuff.

Why did they have guns?

Yeah, that was my very first question.

And it was quickly answered with, we're concerned about poachers.

Poaching might explain all those guns up to a point.

Remember John Corvik from earlier who used to live in the valley?

He told us about the poachers and their dogs who would come at night and cause havoc.

Oh, there's poachers everywhere.

I used to hunt the poachers.

Those poachers are sons of bitches.

You can never find them, but you'll find their dogs.

And I used to go out with my bulldogs at first.

We'd try to find them.

The poachers would drive me nuts.

My dogs would start barking.

I could hear them barking up in the hills.

If this was just about poaching, John and Anne went to extreme lengths.

They put up a barbed wire perimeter fence around their property and had guards wearing fatigues patrolling 24-7.

Signs reading keep out private property were erected everywhere.

To the people in the valley, Costa Ricans, expats, hippies in search of a piece of heaven, the message was clear.

And the couple were rarely seen.

Occasionally, people would look up and see their helicopter leaving and returning to the hilltop reserve.

So rumors and conspiracies germinated and began to grow, carried swiftly along the grapevine.

Whispers about those wealthy Americans who flew in by helicopter and bought up all the land.

And were all those guards really there to scare off poachers?

Jesse, their neighbor, asked all those questions.

We don't know.

We could imagine, but we don't know.

What do you imagine?

Well, I personally thought he was probably somebody very big in the drugs.

personally.

You know, obviously they were doing something secret.

Borak Iern was the perfect place to live in splendid isolation.

And that, in the end, was at the root of everything that was to follow.

And Jesse is right.

The house with no walls was full of secrets.

Where did they get their fortune?

Why were they so hell-bent on protecting their privacy?

Why all those guns?

And why would one of them

end up dead?

You've been listening to Hell in Heaven from Exactly Right Media and iHeart Podcasts, produced by Blanchard House.

Hosted, written and produced by me, Becky Milligan.

The producer and co-writer is Poppy Damon.

Music is by Daniel Lloyd Evans, Louis Nankmanel, and Toby Matamon.

The sound recordist and head of sound and music is Daniel Lloyd Evans.

The lead sound designer is Vulcan Kiseltug.

The artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

For Exactly Right Media, the executive producers are Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, and Danielle Kramer, with consulting producer Lily Ladowig and associate producer Jay Elias.

The creative director of Blanchard House is Rosie Pye.

The executive producer and head of content at Blanchard House is Lawrence Grizel.

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