Trey Smith on Chiefs New Faces, Being Pat Mahomes' Enforcer, and His Wild Path to the NFL | Ep 145

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Speaker 2 what travis you're not gonna believe this uh will levis he's called you out on instagram no why'd he call me out what did i do well will is a known uh mayo advocate and your mayo hate he is uh gonna challenge you to eat your words why why

Speaker 2 literally i i don't i don't

Speaker 1 challenge not accepted I don't even know the challenge, but if it has anything to do with Mayo, I'm out.

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But you're acting like this is regular mayo. This is totally different.
This is spicy mayo, right? There's flavor to it.

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Speaker 1 Before we get to this Trey Smith episode, time for some

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Speaker 2 All righty. First no-dumb question from at Hummingbird Cake, NOLA and one.
What was your favorite struggle meal? Struggle meal, okay, when you were broke.

Speaker 2 And what's the fanciest or most expensive thing you've ever eaten? So I'm devising from context what struggle meal means.

Speaker 2 Is this just like the politically correct way to say broke-ass meal or something like that? Like we call it struggle meal. I've never heard

Speaker 2 struggle meal either, but I don't understand. I don't know why I don't like it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 You're struggling.

Speaker 2 What is your favorite, like, cheap-ass meal? Like, something like I don't.

Speaker 2 I mean, you already know we could round up.

Speaker 1 I got a few good ones. The old Wendy's dollar man, you fuck.
Yeah, no, you know, one of my fucking favorite things to do was in college after I went through my entire uh FASTA check and my

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 and my scholarship check would be to call dad to tell him to call dominoes and put in a large pizza for me.

Speaker 2 So your struggle was calling your parents.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's been, I mean, I've had a beautiful life.

Speaker 2 It works. It works.

Speaker 2 I guess in college, we've,

Speaker 2 you know, you're like ramen noodles. I couldn't do ramen noodles, man.
Oh, I love ramen noodles.

Speaker 2 When I think of food, like things that are, you know, I just, we don't have any money or we're like getting the bare bottom of the pantry. I think of ramen noodles.
I think of like beans and weenies.

Speaker 2 Big beans and weenies fan. That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 Hated beans and weenies.

Speaker 2 Hamburger helper. Does that count?

Speaker 1 Is that kind of like okay, TV dinners?

Speaker 2 TV dinners, yeah. Like, what are they just like heat them up type deals?

Speaker 1 But that's the thing. Like, if I'm struggling and I'm broke, I'm like, I'm probably going to go to like McDonald's and just get a few like things off of the dollar.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know if you can even do that anymore. I haven't, I haven't, yeah, the value menu.
I haven't like.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're a dollar anymore. I think they've upped them.
That's fucked. What is your favorite value

Speaker 2 meal item at any fast food chain?

Speaker 1 Dude, junior bacon cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's good. I feel like I had so many of them in college.

Speaker 1 Used to be able to get fucking nuggets for a dollar.

Speaker 2 I know. I think I used to like them so much in college, I just kind of got turned off at JBCs.

Speaker 2 They're not, it's not as good to me anymore.

Speaker 1 You could always go and get guys pizzas a slice for a dollar.

Speaker 2 I mean, dude, if you're really cramped, you go in with a couple buddies for a crave case from White Castle. I mean, you're

Speaker 1 White Castle, man.

Speaker 2 Dude, you're fucking

Speaker 2 sliders.

Speaker 2 It's fucking.

Speaker 1 I think it's like 20.

Speaker 2 Dude, I feel like Taco Bell didn't really have a great value menu. I think the whole menu is just kind of value.

Speaker 1 Dude, what? You could order the entire menu twice with like fucking $20. What?

Speaker 2 I think that's what I'm saying. I think the whole thing, I think the whole thing was just value.

Speaker 1 You walk into fucking Taco Bell with $5.

Speaker 2 You can get fucking breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I mean, before Subway started

Speaker 2 price gouging, those $5 foot longs, that's a pretty damn good deal. It is.
Yeah, as you can see, we've lived a life fully of privileged.

Speaker 1 I guess, yes, cereal. Cereal is another one of them.
You get a box for fucking a dollar and some change.

Speaker 2 You get a fuck ton of meals out of that box. Have you ever ate cereal with water?

Speaker 2 I've done it. I mean, it's not ideal.

Speaker 1 I'm not upset with just the crunch and like not getting them soggy.

Speaker 2 I like the sogginess, especially specific types of cereal. Like, it's just better being a little soggy.

Speaker 1 You're like a soggy oatmeal guy, too. I like mine a little bit more dry.

Speaker 2 You like dry oatmeal? I like drier than soggy. I don't like soup oatmeal, but I like there to be a consistency.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, I can't do the soupy stuff. It's hard for me to do soupy stuff.

Speaker 2 Do you like soup and gentle? What's your favorite soup? Like chicken noodle. Soup is the original struggle meal.
That's like soup kitchen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I've never been to a soup kitchen, I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 Chicken noodle, only yeah, Campbell's chicken noodle.

Speaker 2 What are we talking about? Really, any of the Campbell's soups, they qualify, right?

Speaker 1 I've only enjoyed chicken noodle.

Speaker 2 I only like that brothy soup.

Speaker 1 I don't like the fucking...

Speaker 2 You don't like clam chowder? Yeah, the gloppy, fucking

Speaker 1 thick shit.

Speaker 2 I'm out on that. The only thick type soup I could do is like a bisque.
Yeah. I mean, this is the best we can do for you.

Speaker 2 I've heard of guys eating like ketchup sandwiches and like mayonnaise sandwiches and sugar sandwich that was my dog reggie's go-to when he was struggling sugar sandwich is that what i think it is yep yeah that's exactly it yep that doesn't sound exciting one bit i'm not gonna lie i kind of fuck with it i used to fucking

Speaker 2 i mean it's essentially what i used to do with a bagel and cinnamon sugar like just throw that

Speaker 2 another one bagels another one all right so let's let's transition this to most expensive thing you've ever uh eaten there's a hundred dollar cheesesteak at this restaurant, Barclay Prime, uh, downtown Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 You pulled the trigger on it?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, we've we do like a lot of O-line dinners there and stuff like that, where you're kind of just like splurging as a group. Oh, yeah.
And I have had that.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's the fanciest or most expensive thing, but there's something about it being a cheese steak being that ridiculously priced that is, and it's very good. But I guess I'll vote that.

Speaker 2 I don't know. What do you got?

Speaker 1 I got nothing. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't necessarily look at the most expensive thing. And yeah, and fancy foods are kind of just like,

Speaker 1 I love getting fucking big, obnoxious steaks. So if I see like a porter house that's a 48-ounce, I'm like,

Speaker 1 give me that medium. You cut it off the bone a little bit too.

Speaker 2 Most of the higher priced items are usually like meat that has some like type of alteration. Like a, hey, you want this dry-aged 52-ounce like tomahawk steak that's from Wagyu and it's like $300.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, no, I want the regular ribeye that tastes fucking delicious without putting all that fungus on it. I don't need the fucking aging process.
Give me the aging. No.

Speaker 2 Give me the regular steak, not Wagu,

Speaker 2 and give me...

Speaker 2 Give me the regular. I like a steak that tastes like a steak.
I don't like a steak that tastes like it's been marinated in butter and then melts all over the place.

Speaker 1 It hasn't been marinated in butter.

Speaker 2 All right, whatever. The fancy stuff, nine times out of 10, tastes worse.
Just being honest with you. Unless the one caveat to this, fancy pasta.

Speaker 2 You go to a nice Italian restaurant that's like upscale, those pasta

Speaker 2 making that fucking flavor.

Speaker 2 My guy, Vetri, I don't know how the fuck he puts so much flavor into each one of these little pillows of gnocchi, but it is, it is fucking crazy. It's so good.
I love it. So if I'm going fancy,

Speaker 2 I feel like fancy Italian is like worth it. But fancy steakhouse, I've never been in on the fancy steakhouse.
I'm just going to be honest.

Speaker 2 Dude, other than 1587 Prime, can't wait for that fancy ass steakhouse.

Speaker 1 You already know, baby. Opening up soon.

Speaker 1 We're going to fucking get that thing up and running. And once it's up and running, it's going to be a machine serving Kansas City and all the Cheese Kingdom.

Speaker 1 And whoever else wants to come and enjoy a meal that me and Pat are giving to the city.

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Now, let's get to our combo with the one, the only

Speaker 1 Trey Smith, the Enforcer.

Speaker 2 Our guest today is six-round draft pick from the University of Tennessee.

Speaker 2 He is a two-time first-team all-LSEC selection, 2024 Pro Bowl, two-time Super Bowl champion, winner of the 2024 Kelsey Jam wing eating contest. Very

Speaker 2 nice. And the starting right guard for the Kansas City Chiefs.
That's right. It's the enforcer, Mr.
Trey Smith, baby.

Speaker 2 Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all having me on, man.
Trey, how you doing? How's the offseason been treating you? Man, solid, man. It's been a good offseason.

Speaker 2 It was able to get back down to Tennessee, spend some time with the family, see a lot of friends, travel bid, and did all my training really, Texas, man. Trying to get right.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. Let's get it, man.
Where did the nickname enforcer? I know Travis calls you the enforcer. I'm pretty sure I've heard Baldinger call you the Enforcer.
Is there a...

Speaker 2 Do you know who originated that? Or is that just

Speaker 2 watching this talk? Trust me. I've been preaching this this for a while.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. I got to give credits to Trav.
Honestly, he was the first person I saw that really like used it in this podcast, bro.

Speaker 2 But, you know, Baldi does an amazing job breaking down film all the time. And he would just always talk about my style of play.
So I think he just sort of stuck from there. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 I've been saying this for years. Travis knows this.
I've told you easily, I mean, if not my favorite, one of my favorite offensive linemen to watch in the league.

Speaker 1 The way you play at, the way you finish, it is just a joy to watch you play the game the right way so couldn't be more excited to have you on this podcast and talk about that journey and everything so thanks for coming on brother yeah man appreciate y'all having me on man hell yeah baby you already know and the thing is as the enforcer when you get a guy that is the enforcer on a team i'm telling you when he first got here you could see the the mentality of the offense start to start to get a little meaner start to get a little bit more on the attack and it's just it's it's contagious man And Trey,

Speaker 1 I don't know what it was like at Tennessee because I wasn't there, but something tells me that you were really the motor of that team as well, man. Because

Speaker 1 every time I feel like you go into a new building, man, all of a sudden that culture changes a little bit to get a little bit more serious and a little bit more about the business, man.

Speaker 1 And that's hats off to your professionalism and just who you are and how you play this game, dog.

Speaker 2 Appreciate it, dog, man. I just try to 800 stuff when I feel it's attack mode.
You know, top of this trap, it's attack mode, bro. Like, you see anything new, you hit it, you kill it, bro.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 let's go. So, man, got that early in high school, but yeah, man, it's uh, I really appreciate the words in both of y'all, man.

Speaker 2 Just understand how much I respect both of y'all, and I really appreciate it, bro.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah, I feel like it's not even just an enforcer in how hard you hit people and how aggressive and how you finish. There's also like a swagger and like a boisterous, like, what does Andy say?

Speaker 2 What is Andy called bravado? Is anybody ever called a bravado?

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh yeah, there's like a there's that part of it where I remember, I don't know if it was the Chiefs cut these clips up, and hopefully, hopefully Brandon can find it.

Speaker 2 There's a cut up of you going at it with Jeffrey Simmons, and it is just one of my all-time favorite cut-ups of any offensive line. Because Simmons, he's a bad man.
That dude is angry.

Speaker 2 He plays angry, and you matched every bit of it. And you could tell it was starting to affect him.
Like, it was a joy to watch. It's one of my favorite games, baby.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 It was a physical one, man.

Speaker 1 Tennessee is always a banger.

Speaker 2 You know, you see it after the runs, when you're picking up Pacheco or whoever just got like a big carry, you're pointing to the first down.

Speaker 2 There's a level of excitement and tenacity that rubs off on those around you, and that's that's the enforcer. It's not, it's that plus the physical nature of how you play the game.
You got it?

Speaker 2 You got it. You said the devil.
Oh, the devil. The dead clear hole.
That's a good one, too.

Speaker 2 That's a good one, too. Here we go.
Damn,

Speaker 2 come here. Come here.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 Barry?

Speaker 2 I got to say this.

Speaker 2 and I think there's another clip. First of all,

Speaker 2 great job of laying the blitzer, getting flat to put yourself in a good position on the player in open space. If you go downfield right away, you're going to be way out in front.

Speaker 2 This guy's going to cut you. You go flat, and then, man, leaving your feet.
I didn't even know. I mean, this is like a, you can't even do this on defense anymore.
You leave your feet as a defender.

Speaker 2 That's a that's a personal foul. You can still do it as a guard.
Yeah, oh, man. That's one of my favorite plays, bro.
Oh, yeah. Coach heck did a great job that we prepping us in.

Speaker 2 Creed and I identified that we saw it before it came up. We're just like, hey, it's towing up, let's get it.

Speaker 2 As soon as he blessed it, I'm like, oh, it's game over. I saw Justin Simmons sort of playing his feet.
I'm just thinking, coming from top down, why are you? Where are you sitting still?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, he's like trying to only

Speaker 2 go underneath. Like, he stood still like he was going to take it on.
So I was like, all right, thank you. But man, I was fired, bro.

Speaker 1 Bro, I can only imagine as a defender, it's like once you get into striking range, you're just like,

Speaker 2 oh, shit, I can't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 And there's this point as an offensive lineman where you know where the ball is hitting and you know where the defender is, and you know the defender has no choice but to come back to where you're at.

Speaker 2 And you identify that, not just in that clip, I've seen you, I forget what, it might have been a Chargers game from back.

Speaker 2 There's another clip where you get out on a, it was either a screen or some type of like gadget play. And it's again, you're like leaving your feet.
And in order to do that, you got to know.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's like, this dude is throwing everything he can into this guy and blowing him up.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 For a what, 320? For 350? What are you weighing in right now?

Speaker 2 320.

Speaker 2 320.

Speaker 2 320 for a three. 320.

Speaker 2 For 300 plus to be leaving their feet like that and putting all force.

Speaker 1 Man, that is an athletic son of a gun, man.

Speaker 2 No doubt.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much athleticism

Speaker 1 you can teach in your football camp, but you can teach

Speaker 1 that mentality, baby.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 You're hosting your second annual Trey Smith football camp later this month.

Speaker 1 How excited are you for it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's going to be my second football camp in my hometown, Jackson, Tennessee. And man, just fired up for it, bro.

Speaker 2 Like, I think giving back to Jackson and the community that poured so much into me, like it was, it was about time to do something for him that was big for the city.

Speaker 2 So in our first year, we learned a lot with the young kids. You know, it's hard to manage young kids.
We had like

Speaker 2 running around. So we want to make sure ages like second grade and up, they just have a good fun time, have the love of the game.

Speaker 2 Then for our middle school and high school camp, we'll turn it up a notch. We're trying to get them ready for the next season.
So really looking forward to it, bro. Getting back.

Speaker 2 It is funny when you go to one of these camps and for us, we are so used to going about the position a certain way and the game a certain way.

Speaker 2 And you try like teaching that to like a young kid who's like six years old and they're like, I just want to run over these bags. They put your face through his face.

Speaker 2 You're like, no, get in your stance like this and use your hands like this and you're like okay this is all pointless yeah just run over these bags and then stop and sit down again

Speaker 1 the last camp i uh i did i thought it was a brilliant idea to try and have a water balloon fight at the end of the camp sounds great until you realize that that it's not like

Speaker 1 like two teams fighting against each other. We just like had a bunch of coolers filled with water balloons.

Speaker 2 Just a battle royale. And everyone picked up the water balloon and then looked directly towards me and just started.

Speaker 2 So I had over like 100 to 200 kids just chasing me around.

Speaker 1 That's what I was saying, and eventually I just gave in and just got smoked by everyone.

Speaker 2 That's some

Speaker 2 good off-season conditioning. Yeah, it was.
You know, instead of running striders, just give a bunch of kids water balloons and try and avoid them. Yeah, my buddy last year, he set me up.

Speaker 2 He had all the kids come and tapping me. So I had like 200 water.

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to fall so I don't crush little Timmy's legs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Just don't fall on one of these kids because 320, wink, wink. That's a lot coming down.

Speaker 2 So this isn't just offensive linemen. This is all across just football in general.
You have multiple coaches there helping out with it.

Speaker 2 And it's all ages. Yeah, it'll be all ages across the board pretty much

Speaker 2 from second grade all the way up to senior high school. And we'll have coaches varying from a lot of former volunteer guys.

Speaker 2 Some guys I went to high school with, even the NFL players as well, coaches that I've just sort of found along my way in my journey too.

Speaker 2 So have a large support and crewman coaching staff that's coming out to help us out. So it'll be awesome, man.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Heck yeah, man.

Speaker 2 Did you attend any football camps growing up? Oh, dude, I went to a ton, a ton of them, man. That was like, that was a big part of me becoming a good player, I feel like, like, I would always go.

Speaker 2 I hate to say it, but like, bro, I would always go to University of Alabama Schoolball Camp with Nick Saban. Big Bama fan growing up.

Speaker 2 So like, oh my dad and I, we would drive down to Tuscaloosa and do the camp every year.

Speaker 2 And eventually my high school coach is like, hey, you guys realize there's more schools than just Alabama, right so starting with old miss tennessee arkansas across the country bro so that was huge for my debauch man heck yeah man was it always bama versus tennessee was it all in terms of going to going to college or or how did your recruiting process how did you end up back in tennessee if if bama was always a dream yeah so i did not

Speaker 2 you were the number one recruit coming out of high school right yeah yeah yeah i'm about to say yes man five-star all that so oh yeah i got my first offer from old miss i think when i was 14 from euphree's and that just sort of like domino effect.

Speaker 2 I got offers from across the country. But for me, I always grew up a Bama fan because my kindergarten teacher at the time, her son, was an equipment manager for them.

Speaker 2 So I went to the locker room, game day, like first time I've been to SEC football game or a college football game.

Speaker 1 State of the art facilities.

Speaker 2 You're just like, I was like, whoa, favorite coach red. I love elephants.
I'm like, yeah, it's a best man ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm sitting there like, bro, Bama's becoming one of the top schools. They say it was won all these championships and stuff.

Speaker 2 Then obviously I started getting recruited, and I started looking around a little bit. And ultimately, bro, it ended up being between like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Tennessee.

Speaker 2 And then the night of my decision, it was really Ohio State and Tennessee. And then I flipped to Tennessee in the middle of the night.
So I was like, you know what?

Speaker 2 Tennessee makes more sense long term. It's my home.
I want to live there one day. And I think it was the best decision I ever made in my life going to Tennessee.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, man, going back to going back to Tennessee after we got smoked when I was in college playing Tennessee, Tyler Bray and Cornell Patterson got after us a little bit.

Speaker 2 See, Flash P.

Speaker 1 But going back when Butch Jones was there and just being around because Eric Berry had a football camp up there, and I was up there trying to help him out and at least

Speaker 1 show my face, but obviously got some family around the Knoxville area. It was so

Speaker 1 wild to see that town. The entire city is orange.

Speaker 2 Yes, sir. Like

Speaker 1 everything in sight is orange. And it kind of gives a little bit of Ohio State, but Ohio State is surrounded by like Columbus and an actual big city.
No, Knoxville is everything is vols

Speaker 2 all over the place.

Speaker 1 And I was just so, I was like, man, I just, I appreciated it from a completely different perspective going back once I was already through college and everything.

Speaker 1 That had to be a fucking hell of a goddamn time when you were there.

Speaker 2 Bro, unbelievable. I wish we were better at football.
Like, we had some seasons that weren't so great, but like, bro, I'm talking about the love you feel on campus from like day one is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 You know, there's, there's such things as fandom. There's a lifestyle.
People in Knoxville, Tennessee, it's a volunteer lifestyle, man. They really bleep orange.
I can go back on campus.

Speaker 2 Like, I tell my family, like, we go back to football games usually on the bye week, right? And I started getting swarmed by people. And it got so bad that like.

Speaker 2 They gave me a golf cart to ride around on game day. But like the love, I mean, the last time I played at Stafford, Tennessee, you were going over half a decade ago.
And people still know my name.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to restaurant. People talk to you.
It just shows how great All Nation is. And you're a great player.
You treat the city right, man. They'll show love continuously, bro.

Speaker 2 So, like I said, man, there's a difference between fandom and our lifestyle, man. They live that life down there in Tennessee.
Hell yeah, baby. Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 What did you carry a sledgehammer around campus for? What was the signature behind that? What was that deal? Yo, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 So it was my freshman year. Yeah, we played Georgia Tech season opener in Atlanta.
I guess Mercedes-Benz. I was like the the second football game I ever played there.
And I had a block.

Speaker 2 It was like a trap play. So basically, one of our center plays, Trav.
And I wallowed in the end and then an extra on top of it. So

Speaker 2 Coach Jones, I guess he had the sledgehammer like hit. It could be a tackle hit, whatever it is of like the week.
And I got it in my first game at Tennessee. And I don't know why.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm watching a movie or something. But here I am carrying this sledgehammer like on my back, walking in class.

Speaker 2 As a freshman, bro, like first week in class, I just got a hammer in the classroom. So it was crazy.

Speaker 2 That was one of the cooler things Butch Jones did with the sledgehammer, paying homage to the blockers. That's amazing.
That's a great way to represent it. Look at that.

Speaker 2 There it is, bro.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 2 Check him out. That's great.
That's iconic.

Speaker 1 Going to class.

Speaker 2 You see all that, you college athletes? Going to class. But he's there for work.
He's got his lunch pail and his sledgehammer with him. He's right here.

Speaker 2 All right. Going into your fifth season with the Chiefs.
All right. We got 2025 Chiefs coming up.
Yes, sir. Come on.

Speaker 2 Anything different going into this season for you guys up front or for the team as a team?

Speaker 2 I would say up front, you know, just have a couple of new pieces coming in and, you know, some guys are definitely excited about, excited to work with.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I think our mission, and Trav, you agree with this, man, like, it's going to stay the same, man. We want another Lombardi.
We want another trophy, man.

Speaker 2 We know we came up a little bit short last year, but man, we're just motivated. You know what I'm saying? That feeling we have, at least, I I know it's been driving me.

Speaker 2 I want to get back there, I want to win it again. Man, yeah, we'll be absolutely fine.
But a couple new faces to bring into the fold for offensive line.

Speaker 2 But uh, Coach Heck and Coach Mate, they do a great job making sure we're well coached up and prepared. So, like I said, I'm just looking forward to it, man.

Speaker 2 Like, hey, set the ball down, let's play, let's go, let's play, man. Let's go, fire me up right now, man.
Come on, Trump. Let's get it.

Speaker 1 I do got to say this, though. You mentioned a few new faces, man.
Our guy, our guy, Big Tooney, man. Joe isn't, uh, he's not an ability anymore, but you got to show some love, man.
Got to.

Speaker 1 He was there when you came in.

Speaker 1 Right? Like, he was in Casey when you came in.

Speaker 2 I couldn't remember when exactly Joey said his first thing, but yeah, it was for sure because it was when Orlando came in two at the same time. So it was like all four of us.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 As a young, like... Offensive lineman in the league and your mentality and a guy like that who has been proven won Super Bowls and

Speaker 1 been a pro bowler, Tooney,

Speaker 1 what was he in terms terms of your development and how he helped you out early on in your career?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I always start this while I talk about Joe from here on out, but I think Joe's going to be a future Hall of Famer. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 And just for me, man, as a young cat, seven into the league, you know, wide-eyed, freaked out.

Speaker 2 Like, in terms of reassurance and your abilities, you know, helping you out, picking Joe's brain for different things. Like, Joe and I play the game way differently.
Like, Joe is super technical.

Speaker 2 He's surgical. Like, he's not the biggest guy, but he knows how to manipulate people's body.
Like, he's nice with bro. Like on a different level.
I didn't even know it was possible.

Speaker 2 And for me, man, just having to lean on him, especially when I was younger. Hey, Joe, what would you do in this situation? How would you attack this?

Speaker 2 How would you sort of set this block up? And having that resource there was invaluable.

Speaker 2 And, you know, just having a genuine friend too, you know, a guy you can depend on, a brother, like, man, that's, it's priceless, bro.

Speaker 2 So for me, I have a ton of gratitude being able to work with Joe, having Joe, you know, some guys like me and Creed, you know, being able to work Khalis will be as an interior unit as well.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, that was special, bro. Like, heartbreaking.
Like, Joe's not coming back, you know,

Speaker 2 but he's got he's going to ball in Chicago. He knows I love him, wish him nothing but success.

Speaker 2 But, man, having him around and the mentoring spot to just help me help teach me the game and teach me the nuances, man, that was incredible. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Look, that interior three was my favorite to watch over the last four years, man.

Speaker 2 Between you, Creed, and Joe, and all three of you being different players and like having similarities, but then also, and Andy's a great coach, and he finds ways to utilize everything and maximize it.

Speaker 2 I love watching the way you guys work inside. It was heroic what Joe tried to do this year by sliding out to tackle.
And I mean, I don't know many guards that can even give that a go in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Like, that is a completely different position. So, hats off to him.
Very unselfish move to do that for the team. But with him gone, you're sliding in last year's rookie,

Speaker 2 Sua Matias.

Speaker 2 Am I saying that right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Kingsley.

Speaker 2 Kingsley sliding in to guard, and then who do we got to tackle now? Mike Caliendo. Is he Caliendo still there? Perfect.
Yep.

Speaker 2 So there'll be some open competition, some back and forth a little bit for figuring out who's going in there with you guys. Yeah, there definitely will be.

Speaker 2 And I mean, hell, man, you know, we all been part of the league. Like, it's competition for this all, so we all got to go.
Always. No doubt.
You know, you're right. 100%.

Speaker 2 I know both of them will work their tails off. You know, the best man's going to win.
Like, I have to earn my job against them as well. But, you know, I'm excited about both of them.
I love Mike, man.

Speaker 2 Mike's a great dude. Mike is extremely intelligent as well and a great ball player.
And then Kingsley, just a young cat. He's looking at those young legs, a healthy body a little bit.

Speaker 2 Man, his ability is incredible in some of the things that he can do on the field as well. So, like I said, the moving pieces are offline.
Look great. We're going to be in a good position, though, man.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. The one I'm looking forward to, I just got to be honest.
That left tackle position was something that was somewhat of a revolving door all season long for you last year.

Speaker 2 Have you seen this kid yet, Josh?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 Josh Simmons, to me, watching the tape in college, it was absurd. But the athletic ability and size, Trav knows because I've been watching this dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've seen it. I've been preaching him.
I've got my eyes on him. You already know.

Speaker 1 I've seen it. I've seen it.
He was playing defensive end as just like a scout team defensive end. And he was just playing this gap, just being, but he was being a pro.

Speaker 1 He was being locked in and being a pro.

Speaker 2 And I felt that man's hands grab me.

Speaker 2 Boo!

Speaker 2 And I was like,

Speaker 2 all right, all right.

Speaker 1 I got to come with it.

Speaker 1 Even when he's just giving the looks, I got to make sure I'm got my feet planted, man.

Speaker 2 I've watched a lot of these linemen coming out the last few years.

Speaker 2 This kid, I mean, he is the closest thing I've seen to like a Trent Williams or like a Jason, like that next level like strength and athleticism. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The only reason he fell to you guys is because of that quad. Is it quad 10 or patella tendon? Patel injury.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 What you look like so far? Yeah. Man, I haven't seen him in action, but I mean, I just heard that he is so strong, like unbelievably strong is one thing.

Speaker 2 So like Trad, you saying about his hands, like that's perfect spot off what I keep hearing. But obviously, like the talent is there, man.
I've seen some of his films as well.

Speaker 2 And, you know, obviously got a chance to win a natty last year. Shout out to him.
But I think he's going to be a great asset to the team. And I'm looking forward to it, bro.
Awesome. Oh, yeah, baby.

Speaker 1 Get him in there, get them nice and uh ingrained in the culture we got over there, man. Have some fun while we uh while we go and whip some ass.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, we'll get them right. Would you rather play in Tampa Bay, Miami heat, early season

Speaker 2 or like Green Bay in the middle of the playoffs? Like, would you rather play in cold weather or hot weather? I guess I'll play in frigid temperatures, negative degree weather. I like that.

Speaker 2 All day, all day, I love it.

Speaker 2 I love that part.

Speaker 1 Once he gets below 50,

Speaker 2 what What was that one game in KC where against Miami?

Speaker 2 Was that the one where I was like watching the field and it was like frozen?

Speaker 1 Coach Reed had icicles coming from his mustache.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, it was like fourth coldest game in NFL history, man.
Yes.

Speaker 2 How did you feel?

Speaker 2 You'd rather play in that than Miami 95. Yeah, all day long, man.
All day long.

Speaker 2 Because one, in the heat and the humidity, like you're going to tire out a little bit easier, man. Everything is a little bit tougher.

Speaker 2 it's a different mental space right where in the cold as a big guy like i said i'm always sweating bro yeah right always it's already there

Speaker 2 like i would be nice and cool i can recover faster you know the winter coat jason you know you get a little bit heavier at the end of the year so oh yeah baby i'm good man i'm solid how do those trap blocks feel though when it's negative four you oh you felt a whole

Speaker 2 you felt it woke you up now but like the thing about it that's great is like the divas alignment don't necessarily want to rush past you as well, too.

Speaker 2 For sure, because you're talking about a team that came from Miami, they just left 80-degree weather, now it's negative 11 degrees. You're like, What the hell's going on?

Speaker 2 Where do we, where do they drop us off at? You know, so it makes our job easier.

Speaker 1 It is a little different, you know, being in 15 to 20-degree weather for a couple of weeks for a couple for like a month, staying in between that 20 to 40 degree weather in Kansas City when it's in the winter, and then it dropping down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like the initial, the

Speaker 1 day in it is always the coldest, like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, if you're kind of acclimated to some of the cold, like that first day it drops below 50 in Kansas City, I'm like, oh, even I'm like, god damn, it's kind of cold outside.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But then once I get used to it, I'm outside in shorts and a t-shirt.

Speaker 2 But it's definitely coming from coming from Miami and it being 75 to playing in negative five degrees. It's hell.
I was probably like, what the fuck

Speaker 2 is this? Yeah, that's tough, bro. That's tough.

Speaker 1 Was that the coldest game you ever played in?

Speaker 2 By far. Because like the coldest weather I would ever play out of Tennessee would be like Kentucky or Missouri.
So that was the coldest it gotten.

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Speaker 1 let's get into some draft stories man drafted by the chiefs six overall i mean six round six round in 2006

Speaker 2 definitely not six overall but definitely worthy of six overall uh can you talk to everybody on on the reasons why you kind of slid in the draft and uh what draft day was like for you yeah man uh so Those of y'all don't know, right after my freshman year entering my sophomore season, not off season, we had a coaching change.

Speaker 2 Entire coaching staff gets fired. And walks in Jerry Pruitt from University of Alabama.
And that whole offseason, they're just trying to break this.

Speaker 2 And as you guys know, if you get a new coaching staff, they're trying to weed out the bad guys, figure out what team's going to be built around. So that identified.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. We were going to set the culture up around.
They looked at me. I had a lot of success in my first year as a freshman.
They're like, all right, we can build around this young player.

Speaker 2 So they just started pushing us every single day during mad drills. And I was eating it, bro.
Like, it was nothing to me. I'm laughing at him, talking shit back to him.

Speaker 2 I'm like, this is all y'all got. And And then, like, one week, man, uh, in conditioning, or do I have gases? And I passed out and I never passed out.
I couldn't breathe well.

Speaker 2 I lost 13 pounds in a day. I remember uh talking to our team doctor, like, hey, you guys got to run more tests on me.
Like, I feel terrible. And he's like, We're going to do a blood draw.

Speaker 2 Um, just go ahead and go to class. I remember leaving my dorm room, having to walk like 400 yards to the library to write a paper and having to stop like seven times just catching my breath.

Speaker 2 And as soon as I got out, the doctor's calling me frantic, like, Hey, Trey, where are you at? Where are you at? And I'm like, I just got finished with my paper.

Speaker 2 Is every day okay? He's like, don't worry about it. We're sending someone over with a car that can scoop you up.

Speaker 2 They rush me to the hospital and figure out that I have blood clots in both sides of my lungs. So that was sort of one of those moments where it's like, man, can I still play football?

Speaker 2 Like, what does this mean? And pretty much working with the doctors is like for five months, you're going to go on blood thinners.

Speaker 2 And the thing is, blood thinners is if you take a shot to the head or if you get cut, you run the risk of internal bleeding or just bleeding out in general.

Speaker 2 So it's extremely dangerous for a contact sport, sport, which was tough. What they ended up doing is blood thinners for about five to six months.

Speaker 2 Was able to play my sophomore year, got about the halfway point of my season, had the same sort of things going, can't breathe well, coughing, mucus, et cetera.

Speaker 2 And they rushed me to the hospital again just to be safe. And they're like, hey, you have blood clots again.
And at that point, my career was completely over in my mind.

Speaker 2 Like the doctors had told me, if you have blood clots two times, you'll never play football again. It's not safe.
Like we won't allow it. And,

Speaker 2 you know, through the grace of God, I had some people in my corner, University of Tennessee, that just blew me across the country.

Speaker 2 And we went to the Cleveland clinic where met with some doctors that looked at my scans, looked at all of our tests. It was just like, you don't have blood clots again, man.

Speaker 2 It looks like you have residual scar tissue in your lungs from the first case. So that was like a break.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
So that's how close it was. Like, I almost didn't take that trip.

Speaker 2 So I was pretty much done. I was like, I'll get in the coaching player engagement.

Speaker 2 When I got that news, it sort of opened everything up to where I ended up going to a blood clotting specialist in North Carolina, where he created a health plan that had never been done in this world football before, where I took blood thinner every single day of the week, except for Friday morning, and I would just wake up and play on Saturdays.

Speaker 2 So that means no practice, no contact, no training camp. I would literally just be vibing out, doing cardio, watching film, hunting as much as I can.
We just go playing on Saturdays. So it was

Speaker 2 a crazy experience.

Speaker 2 But, you know, my junior year was able to play the entire season, decided to stay at Tennessee because I made a promise to my deceased mom, Gorceta Smith, that I would get my degree and I'd play in the NFL one day.

Speaker 2 So I kept my promise to moment my senior season and finished it out. And then the draft is here.
I'm like, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 Let's do it.

Speaker 2 Let's get paid. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Man, what a roller coaster that had to be, bro.

Speaker 2 Yo, that is wild. So

Speaker 2 is there like

Speaker 2 a condition that causes your blood to clot in certain ways, or is this just like a unfortunate, like unlucky one-off thing?

Speaker 2 yeah so you got either provoked or unprovoked blood clots mine was unprovoked they tried looking all parts of my body to figure out like where this originated you know a lot of times you have a surgery you get hit a certain way etc like yeah but nothing happened to me that would have caused it and genetic testing didn't show up anything definitively as well wow man yeah man because i remember hearing about this when you were coming out like even in the eagles building i remember guys talking about like he's got this thing with like i thought it was your heart i didn't know it was blood clots i knew there was something going on but i remember that was something that all the teams were thinking about.

Speaker 2 How, if you didn't have that, where do you think you would have been drafted?

Speaker 1 Oh, six overall.

Speaker 2 I would think, like, I'd like to think first round, but yeah, second round, the third, probably worst case scenario. Sorry about that.
That is wild. And now, no issues.

Speaker 2 Like, you haven't had anything in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Nothing at all, brother. You know, gosh, that is amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that is outstanding.

Speaker 1 Back to draft day, though.

Speaker 1 So still, you went back, had

Speaker 1 your junior year at Tennessee. Where were you on draft day? And who was it that gave you the call?

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. So

Speaker 2 I was in Jackson and I talked to my agents.

Speaker 2 And they're pretty much saying, you know, we don't think you'll be a first round with the medical history, but you're going to go second round and like third round is like worst case scenario, but you'll get drafted.

Speaker 2 So day one, pretty good amount of families there. I'm like, hey, appreciate y'all.
I'm playing the game tonight. I'm not drafted.
So, I'm playing

Speaker 2 Rocket League, the car.

Speaker 2 Dude, that game is Rocket League with the boys.

Speaker 2 I don't want to sidestep it, but this is what I love about Rocket League. It's only like four buttons.
I can't do all these games with all these buttons now.

Speaker 2 Just give me like two buttons to screw around and try and score a goal. All right, go ahead, sir.
Yeah, man. No, you go ahead.
So I'm on Rocket League with the homies, man.

Speaker 2 We're chilling, just doing our thing. And pretty much first round goal was, all right, cool.
Day two, I'm sitting in the bedroom like, all right, this is the day I'm about to get drafted.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I was like, I'll pay attention to it. And this year was COVID year.

Speaker 2 So they had like a little, if you're considered like a top guy, they sent you a whole camera equipment and like thing for your house. So I had mine set up for my living room.

Speaker 2 I'm sitting on the couch with my family and pick after pick after pick after pick after pick. Second round goes, third round, it's like, okay, I'm going to go back to the Rocky League.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to, I'm going to play the game. I'm just going to take my mind off of it.
And, you know, that third round came and it went. And I remember just being like, damn, like,

Speaker 2 you know, what happened? You know, and being a little upset and talking to my dad. And he just sort of reassures me and calls me down a little bit.

Speaker 2 So day three goes, I wake up a little bit late, you know, no phone call or anything. I get a call from a former head coach that I knew from recruiting.

Speaker 2 And he's pretty much saying, hey, I can't believe you're here, man. I remember you in high school.
You were number one, blah, blah. He's like, hey, we're going to take you in this next draft pick.

Speaker 2 It's like in the fifth round. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to watch this one.
I'm about to get picked. And he picks somebody else.
And he calls me right back.

Speaker 2 Like a minute after is just like, hey, sorry, sorry i had to do this political blah blah look what we're going to do is we're going to fly you in as undrafted free agent uh we'll get a sign we'll get you signed we'll get all this stuff taken care of you and pops like don't worry about it and so i'm not i'm not really i'm not pissed i'm just like hey man like it didn't go the way i thought like i saved another year for this and you know all the stuff i went through like i thought i was gonna get drafted but yeah i got an opportunity I just wanted an opportunity, man.

Speaker 2 You just give me a shot, man. Give me a foot on the door, basically.
So it was funny enough, like five minutes later, I learned it was on the game again.

Speaker 2 so rocket league is like the theme of the story yeah back on rocket league we should really be thanking all the coaches because you got to play more rocket league like

Speaker 2 after the first round you're missing out two days playing rocket league right

Speaker 2 so basically man like five minutes later um i get a call the id says kansas city i said you know it's a doctor on the phone i believe it was dr matt monaco i believe it was and uh he had he had interviewed me prior about the medical info and doc is on the phone just like hey man I told you I call you, like, all happy.

Speaker 2 I was like, the hell do you want in my mind?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, what's this about? And I'm like, another, so I just answered, it's like, yo, what up? He's just like, oh, well, uh, we're going to make you the newest member of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 And I was just like,

Speaker 2 what is this dude talking about? And so then when Mr. Hunt answered the phone, it was like, hey, Trey, this is Clark Hunt.
How are you doing? And I'm like, oh, this is real.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, let me tie you up.

Speaker 2 You guys bust me with the team, Doc?

Speaker 2 I can't wait to to be down there. And then, you know, Brent Beach, Coach Reed, Andy Hack, you know, talked to all of them.
And then it was just like, whoa, whoa, I just got drafted, man.

Speaker 2 And my sister was in the living room. She's the only one left in the house.
So I'm running, hugging her in the living room. We're both shrieking out together, like crying.
And then I call my dad.

Speaker 2 I'm like, dad, you won't believe this. Kansas City just drafted me.
He's like, son, I love you. I'm so proud of you.
And I'll be home in 10 minutes. I'll bring you chicken tenders for lunch.

Speaker 2 That's a hell of a celebration. Yeah, man.
So my draft story wasn't perfect, perfection, but I love it, man. Like, I have so much gratitude the way it went down, man.

Speaker 2 It's helped mold me to who I am today. Yeah.
Shout out to Ashley for being in the room still there. I was about to say, a lot of people don't know this.
Ashley, welcomed me to broadcasting in the NFL.

Speaker 2 I met your sis out there. She was awesome at the broadcast boot camp.
Yeah, I mean, just eat some chicken turns and go back to playing Rocket League, right? You just got drafted in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I remember because we had, that was, I mean, you look back on it, that was a great draft for us.

Speaker 1 I I mean, obviously, we got Big Creed, who you learned to, you know, create the beast with and the interior with and everything. But that was a hell of a draft.

Speaker 1 And I remember everyone kept mentioning, hey, man, we got to steal.

Speaker 2 We got to steal.

Speaker 1 They got the guy.

Speaker 2 The guy we, I don't know how he dropped the six.

Speaker 1 I don't know how he dropped, but we got him. And everyone's saying he's, I mean, the docs are giving him the thumbs up.

Speaker 1 Everybody's saying, and bro, when you walked in the building and I saw how big of a human being you are,

Speaker 2 bro, I was like, what?

Speaker 2 This?

Speaker 2 This is no way.

Speaker 1 Little did I know how much you would grow as a player your first year and just be the enforcer that you are.

Speaker 1 But man, when I heard everybody talking about we got to steal, we got to steal, and Veech was over here like,

Speaker 1 I think we got a guy.

Speaker 2 I think we got, he was just over there getting being bread

Speaker 1 having a blast talking about exactly. Everybody

Speaker 2 worked. Our plan worked.

Speaker 1 We found a way to get you in the building, man. That shit was fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I was fired up, man.

Speaker 1 What was your first impression of big Andy Reid, man?

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, it was. So I played the Madden.
It was a Madden 06, where, like, he's in the front.

Speaker 2 It's like that one red flip that y'all talking about. As a kid, that was the very first Madden game I ever had.
What?

Speaker 2 First football game ever. That's crazy.
Huge, like, end of the game, Super Bowl situation, whatever it is. And, like, Coach Reed's on the sideline, like, pissed off, like, reading his call sheet.

Speaker 2 Like, so that was my first taste of Andy Reid in my life.

Speaker 2 And so, getting into the Chiefs, and I remember, you know, it's COVID once again, so everything in a sort of different setup.

Speaker 2 We were in the Edor facility, and he was all at, I guess, Zoom or Microsoft Teams, whatever we use, and he's just breaking down a play. And I'm just like, damn, that's Andy Reed, bro.

Speaker 2 Like, talking to him, you know, Coach Reed has like a way of making you comfortable, like messing with you, bro.

Speaker 2 It was dope, dude. Like, I was in this belief, really, like, man, I'm really, I'm here.
Cause like, part of it is I watched you guys win a Super Bowl in Miami.

Speaker 2 I was with Dustin Colquin and his buddies in Miami. Oh, wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You were in Miami. Yeah, through the University of Tennessee.
They sent me down there. So I worked the event, was like ushering people around.
Colquin and his buddies like found me.

Speaker 2 They're like, ah, come with us.

Speaker 2 So I watched again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I watched again. So like for me, it was surreal where it's like, what 2019? I'm watching y'all win it.
And then in 2021, here I am walking through the doors.

Speaker 2 And I remember being at that game saying, man, how cool would it be to go play for them one day? Oh, yeah. And that's like the funny thing how God worked.
Like, here I am two years later.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. That is awesome, man.
What were your first impressions of Trav? Like?

Speaker 2 Oh, shit. Everybody remembers the first time they meet Trav.

Speaker 2 That's a hard one to forget, usually.

Speaker 2 Just crazy energy, bro.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, he's off. I love this guy.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like, just saying stuff, but like, bro, I was like, like, the one thing that I love, it was like early, it might have been against the Browns, bro.

Speaker 2 Like, it might be my first game, you scored a touchdown. I like tackling you, like, slapping your helmet in the end zone because you're just psycho, bro.
Oh, I remember that.

Speaker 2 Going fucking nuts. You know what I mean? Like, I love it.
So, anytime Trabs get the guys going, I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 2 I'm feeling it, bro. Let's get this thing rolling.
So, yeah,

Speaker 2 for me, my dog Trav, I mean, I think the one thing that I can speak about, especially as like a six-year-old trap big young guy, was just how kind you were, bro.

Speaker 2 And you don't have to be that way and how you really care for people. You're not afraid to give out your heart, right?

Speaker 2 So I think that's the part that stood out to me where it's like, man, you look at your career and trajectory you're on and who you are as a human being, but like you still make the time for people.

Speaker 2 You still care for people. And to me, that's a good spawn to the person.
And that, to me, that was really the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 Like, man, you never, you never mistreated me or just sort of wrote me off or anything. It was always just like I've known for years, man.

Speaker 1 I I appreciate it, dog. It means the most coming for me, brother.
So, yeah, the best yet to come, though, baby. Let's go.

Speaker 2 All right, let's talk Patty Mahomes. Let's go into that.
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's talk some Patty Mahomes, man. What is it like blocking for old Patrick LaVon Mahomes II?

Speaker 2 Man, it was a tough transition out of college, boy. Like,

Speaker 2 I wasn't used to someone extending the plays like that, making somehow nothing. Like for me, I struggled so much with just sustaining the block, man.

Speaker 2 Pro Check, you said, get on me every day about not letting the egg timer in your head go off. Like,

Speaker 2 he's one of the best they send it plays ever doing. Like, you're going to have to just drive and drive.

Speaker 2 So for me, man, it was difficult at the beginning, but then like, I think the best part about it is just watching his greatness. And it's not like the big moments per se.
It's like.

Speaker 2 little stuff he does in practice. Like, how the hell did he throw that ball? How did he throw it?

Speaker 2 Preseason, what game, what play was it where he did it around the back behind you yeah

Speaker 2 yeah like that's the greatness where it's like who the hell is going to be able to do this other than him he made me look so good on that play

Speaker 1 knowing damn well that i was the one that up the play to where he had to do something spectacular to make it look good and yeah no you already know yeah that's one of a kind in that regard man it's uh

Speaker 1 do you just do you just in your mind you have this like i don't know i i feel like i have like a time like a like a timing mechanism of like the first play like all right the ball should be out by now it's almost like all right there's there could be two forms of this play so it's like the initial play and then all right i gotta as soon as those like three to four seconds are up Now I need to refocus, re-gear, do something else.

Speaker 1 Do you have the like secondary like play, like the possibilities of it happening? Is it always in your mind during like past plays?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I definitely think so. It depends.
A lot of times, our play action game, especially with some like a gap scheme, type pass or anything like that.

Speaker 2 Like, for me, it's just like, I know I'm going to have a double team. I'm looking to help.
And a lot of times with Pat, man, he's just going to keep extending and extending and extending.

Speaker 2 And a lot of times, if you really just hold on, bro, he's going to make something huge happen.

Speaker 2 So for me, I agree what you're saying, where it's like on paper, it might be like, it should be doom, boom.

Speaker 2 But then sometimes it might be doom, doom, doom, do, do, just touch it down. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the greatness.
That's almost magic. So you just got to adjust with it, bro.

Speaker 2 You just got to adjust.

Speaker 2 And Pat's even more, like, there's all sorts of quarterbacks that are mobile that will extend plays. Pat does it up the middle more than any quarterback I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 Like, most quarterbacks will either go if they're right-handed to the right. If they're left-handed, they'll have a tendency to go to the left.

Speaker 2 Pat will see like a split front, like a 2-3 technique front.

Speaker 2 And if it's third and medium, he almost is like predetermined in his head that he's going to take off and go get the first down right up the gut.

Speaker 2 I've seen him do it multiple multiple times yeah are you at the point now where you kind of anticipate stuff like that or is it still like who knows what's about to happen i think i'm still at that point sometimes where it's hard to feel it um i think like during the season especially when he gets in this tendency box a little bit like i'm like okay i know last week he did this way i gotta hold a little bit stronger to the inside because like i know he's gonna be right here if so-and-so happens you know if he gets flushed a certain way uh based on their their rush games too sometimes we know like they're trying to flush in a certain direction so i gotta to be a little bit firmer for sure i would say it's just adapting to him but i think the main thing is always knowing that like hash is gonna do something crazy back there you know i mean like you just gotta figure it out on the fly bro but i will say last year i really tried adjusting a little bit more uh get a little bit stronger on that inside that's cool and i feel like sometimes it's even just like a feel like you don't know why you let go at a specific time yeah as an offensive lineman my biggest concern is getting a holding call you're blocking a dude you got a great block on him and all of a sudden the quarterback scoots out he reaches to grab him, and you're you think you're doing your job great.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, there's a yellow flag by your feet. Yeah, worst ever.

Speaker 2 But then you play with guys like that for a while, and then you like almost like feel the D-lineman doing that, and you like learn to kind of just let go.

Speaker 2 Not that it works every time like that, but it's there's a feel for it for sure. I don't know.
Yeah, it's an art, bro. It's tough.
Like you said, there is like a little feel to that.

Speaker 2 A little nuance to it, where you just, you know, it's not.

Speaker 1 Has Pat ever made a play to where you got so excited you wanted to like fucking just just like trap block and just like just got you so excited or like you want to just fuck like you remember the replacements how the how like the linebacker would always do just like too much he would always like want to headbutt the fuck out of somebody has that ever made you like go into that excitement and just like yeah

Speaker 2 i got a couple plays in my one of them bro was uh we played tampa bay and tampa when he spun off about he devin white for that time bro i just threw it to Clyde.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm like, this guy's an animal.

Speaker 2 He's an animal.

Speaker 1 I'm like tiptoeing on the sideline and then just threw it to Clyde in the back of the Azo.

Speaker 2 And Target, bro, that was one. Yeah, like a flip past, I've been like a year or two or something against Timber.
I want to say it was a Jet or something. Jet might have taken it to the house.

Speaker 2 But it was like just a little flick. Like, I remember

Speaker 2 Wiley used to get JT and Wiley, though, because JT gets fired up too.

Speaker 2 Jawan is like the most chill cat I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 2 Once we get rolling. Oh, yeah, he's the next man.

Speaker 2 Wiley that he, there are a couple of times I'm like, we score or anything like that. I'm like, Pat,

Speaker 2 Wiley would just attack me and just beat the hell out of me. I'm like, let's go.
Wow,

Speaker 2 but yeah, there have been a couple of times where I'm like, Pat, you're that dude. Like, you're that.
But it's hard to even grab him. Because then he takes off yourself.
Brandon is like, slow down.

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Speaker 1 You want to talk some wrestling?

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's talk a little wrestling, brother. Little wrestling? A little wrestling, brother.

Speaker 1 Big WWE fan. You were at WrestleMania last year in Philly when Jason got in the ring.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 2 Did you

Speaker 1 Jason coming out in the Tim's and the

Speaker 2 Lucha?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Rey Mysterio. Dude,

Speaker 1 who were your guys growing up in WWE?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love Randy Orton.

Speaker 2 John Cena was a big one. Triple H.
Yeah. Weird one, but Kofi Kingston.
I used to love Kofi Kingston. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Probably like The Undertaker. So a little, a little generic, but like, man, all those are my guys.
But, you know, I love John Cena. I have the little, the wristbands.

Speaker 2 Legend, man. You were that era right after.

Speaker 2 like us. Like I remember when we were growing up, it was like Attitude Era.
Is that still the Attitude Era with John Cena in them, or is that a different era? I always get the era.

Speaker 2 it's like the tail end of it i think yeah like for us it was like stone cold because he still had that personality mankind it was still called the wwf when we were like really growing up and then it had just transitioned to wwe if you were going to build an nfl roster out of wwe let's just say wrestling superstars anybody from any era What is your ultimate NFL roster looking like?

Speaker 2 Let's start with the quarterback. Who are we going with?

Speaker 1 Damn, this is tough. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Let's hear it. For QP,

Speaker 2 go ahead and give me his surprise give me cm punk oh

Speaker 2 okay boy so you you want somebody good at promos you want somebody get it delivering promos okay there we go cm punk

Speaker 2 all right let's start out with lineman bro all right mark henry and one of the ken

Speaker 2 spots

Speaker 2 yeah give me the big show either tackle give me the great colleague on either tackle okay great colleague yeah we're gonna we're gonna run a little bit of power ain't logowsky gasket. All right,

Speaker 2 what about what about Andre the Giant? Where's he fitting it? Oh, so is he getting

Speaker 2 too all

Speaker 2 time? All time, he'll be the Andre the Giant in one of the tackles.

Speaker 2 We're talking just big six, seven-footers, all around. Yeah, exactly.
We got the reach and the world's strongest man at center now.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, there we go, there we go.

Speaker 2 Running back. Oh, my goodness, give me Rey Mysterio.

Speaker 2 Rey Mysterio,

Speaker 2 that's what I'm talking about. We're not going for a lot of crazy, so is need him to get in the gaps.
There's going to be a lot of big guys up front. Just squeeze in and just

Speaker 2 find, yeah, he's going to be like Darren Sprolls. You're going to be like Darren Sprolls.
He's going to hide behind the line and then just people.

Speaker 2 Exactly. You're getting balled by the great Khali.
There you go. Spinning it off.

Speaker 2 Wide receiver-wise, that's where I'm going to struggle. What about tight end? What do you think, tight end? Because that's a definite like WWE position.

Speaker 2 I think every tight end is a wrestling fan, it feels like. I'm just trying to think of somebody, man.
I'm blanking right now.

Speaker 2 Do you think John Cena is fast? John John Cena. I don't think he's fast.

Speaker 2 To be fair, though, I don't think many wrestlers are fast. I don't think that's what they go to wrestling for.

Speaker 2 The ring is only so big. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think John Cena will figure it out a tight end.

Speaker 2 I think that's a good one.

Speaker 2 It's more of a blocking tight end.

Speaker 2 If that's your lineman size, it would be proportionate for John to be a tight end. Give me John in there, man.

Speaker 2 Who are we going for, Robert Cena? John Cena.

Speaker 2 Ride receiver, give me a Kofi K-Sip. Okay.
okay

Speaker 1 give me our truth be our truth our truth man you're taking I don't even know these guys I was thinking like a Jeff Hardy or like one of the Hardy brothers flying off the top ropes with the hair like a Triple H

Speaker 2 or

Speaker 2 this team is running the fuck out of the ball triple H is the wide receiver yeah I was just saying we're gonna run this block we're gonna run that block y'all what about the rock who's the rock the rock could play tight end or receiver or yeah i mean mean, you put the rock at tight end.

Speaker 2 I mean, honestly, bro, this would be crazy. Put more swap with a wide receiver.
Put him in a slot. There we go.
Yeah, we'll figure it out. There we go.
What about that? That's fucking.

Speaker 2 I think it's a pretty good roster.

Speaker 2 I would be interested.

Speaker 2 That's what the XFL should have just done. They should have tried to get football players.
They should have just done this.

Speaker 1 Send these guys out there.

Speaker 1 See how they go.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 Who would be your tag team partner if you ever were to join the WWE?

Speaker 2 Without a doubt, without fault, without question, Creed Humphrey.

Speaker 2 He's your tag team in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be the tag team in the NFL?

Speaker 2 You guys got

Speaker 2 what would your tag team name be?

Speaker 1 You guys got a team name?

Speaker 2 Ebony and Ivory.

Speaker 2 Put it on a t-shirt. Put it on a t-shirt.

Speaker 2 Put it on a t-shirt.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is fucking

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, that's good.

Speaker 2 That's great.

Speaker 1 How did it come to you so quick, man? That was gold.

Speaker 1 God damn, Ebony and Ivory, man.

Speaker 2 That is electric. It's audio.
Woo.

Speaker 1 All right, big dog.

Speaker 1 Let's get to this last segment, man.

Speaker 2 I don't even know how to dress.

Speaker 2 No topping that. That's going to be the best thing.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Ebony and Ivory forever, man. This is our last segment.
We always always close out the interviews with, we got to ask, but you don't have to answer.

Speaker 1 You can tell us the fuck off on any of these questions, or you can just give us a quick answer, man. Let's start it off with, what is your ideal Casey barbecue plate?

Speaker 2 Ooh. Okay.

Speaker 2 I do plates that come from Jockstack. I'm not getting lamb ribs, man.
I don't know why, but they have the best. You say lamb ribs?

Speaker 1 Lamb to get in on these.

Speaker 2 Is that different than like lamb chops? Like, what is the, they just don't cut them up? Yeah, it's just the ripped part of the lamb.

Speaker 2 so like they do a dry rub season on it, but like super tender matte, decent mommy of the balls. Like, telling you right now, I do like lamb, lamb is great, okay, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 I did not expect that from a Tennessee guy, I did not expect lamb ribs. I did not.
Let me do the full regional. So, I'm gonna do lamb from KC and burn in.
So, two from there, right?

Speaker 2 I'm also gonna show a ton of love to Texas. I want half a pound of brisket at least,

Speaker 2 at least,

Speaker 2 not at least. I want a beef rib, a little piece of beef rib.
Beef rib is the best. That's my favorite.
Oh, I love beef rib. And then finally, closing it out for Memphis.

Speaker 2 That's where I'm going to do my pork. So pork ribs, pulled pork, even like a barbecue chicken.
Like that, that's my, that's my seeds down there. So, so everything.

Speaker 2 Breathe in love. I can't pick one.
What about sides? Where are we going sides? I got to have mac and cheese, baked beans. Give me slaw.
Slaw. Slaw.
Dessert. Slog.

Speaker 2 I think I know where you're going with dessert.

Speaker 2 I think the proper dessert is always going to be like a peach cobbler or a banana pudding. I thought you were going banana pudding.
That's bargo all day.

Speaker 2 I got to ask you this because we talked about this last week. When you think of barbecue, do you think of the Midwest or do you think of down south? I think down south.
Bam!

Speaker 2 Bam!

Speaker 2 But to be fair,

Speaker 2 Tennessee is the Midwest, to be fair. Oh, it's not.

Speaker 2 Tennessee is the Midwest.

Speaker 2 No, I'll mess you. No, it's Sound South, brother.
It's still Down South.

Speaker 1 To the original 13 colonies, I'll give you that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, today's day and age, I mean, it's right next to us.

Speaker 2 It is, yeah, it is close.

Speaker 2 If Ohio is the Midwest, it really makes no sense that Ohio is in the Midwest, right? Like, I don't, it's on the eastern side of the country, it's it's never made sense to me either way.

Speaker 2 And then, Tennessee is in the middle of the country, it's not down south, it's like SmackDab in the middle, yeah, it's the Mid East.

Speaker 2 We gotta, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 Talking more about food, you won the Kelsey Jam wing eating contest by a landslide. It wasn't even fucking close.

Speaker 2 Easy. So Toma, what is this? Because I've dabbled in a wing eating contest.
What was this? How many wings? What was the time?

Speaker 1 I think it was like a minute. I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 It wasn't that long.

Speaker 2 It wasn't long. If the dude you guys put me up against was a scrub, man.
Yeah, he didn't have.

Speaker 1 I don't know how. I think he won a contest to get into it.
I don't even think he just won like a raffle. Like he got pulled out of the, I don't even know if he like ate wings like that.

Speaker 2 But it was still

Speaker 2 funny as hell. What was the competition? What was the

Speaker 2 wing contest? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I know who was the wing competition of Travis.

Speaker 2 Trey,

Speaker 2 what was the deal? It was a wing stop deal. They had probably like 20 wings in a container and just as many as you could eat and then fill it up in the same.
So I think the time was a minute, though.

Speaker 2 It wasn't very long. How many did you get down in a minute? Well, I could have gotten more, but based on his tempo, I was just like, he was just looking over.

Speaker 2 You were in cruiser trial.

Speaker 2 This is getting crazy.

Speaker 2 How do you think I put down a trial like seven, five or six? Easy. It was easy.

Speaker 2 So have you ever heard of Wing Bowl, Trey?

Speaker 2 So Wing Bowl

Speaker 2 was a Philadelphia contest they used to have, and the local radio station put it on because the Eagles are never in the Super Bowl. So the Wing Bowl was always the same time as the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 They did it at Wells Fargo. It was shenanigans going.

Speaker 1 It was at seven in the morning.

Speaker 2 People would be drinking the night before.

Speaker 2 It was Friday. They would tailgate all the time.
It was legendary.

Speaker 2 There was all sorts of, you wouldn't be able to do it again because there was like all sorts of strip clubs and other things involved in it. But

Speaker 2 there were like local, like there were local superstars that developed into these large and left characters. Anyways, I competed one year in it.

Speaker 2 And the way the contest worked, it was 14 minutes, 14, one round of 14 minutes, then there was elimination, a second round of 14 minutes, an elimination, and then a speed round of two minutes.

Speaker 2 So 30 minutes overall, you have to eat wings. Whoa,

Speaker 2 what?

Speaker 2 I ate 65 wings in the first 14 minutes. I'm thinking I'm killing.
I'm just 65. I'm thinking I'm killing.

Speaker 2 Smoked. I was out in the first round, not even close.
The woman who holds the record at Wing Bowl, take a guess at how many wings the winner of Wing Bowl won with.

Speaker 2 This is insane. This is a 30-minute timeframe, keep in mind.
30 minutes. How many wings do you think she got down in 30 minutes?

Speaker 2 If you ate 65, we got Elo, I mean, it's got to be like touching like 100, right? Bro, keep going.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not talking about the first round. This is all three rounds.

Speaker 2 Like, she had over 200 in the first round. Like, you know,

Speaker 1 in the first round, he got fucking smoked by her.

Speaker 2 Brandon, look up the record for Wing Bull. Look up Wing Bull record.
Molly Skyler. Picture of this legend, too.
Like,

Speaker 2 dude, she's a beast. She's a beast.
She's a, she's, I think she's from Omaha or something like that. She's just this tiny woman.
Oh, they Molly Schuyler. They win the ringer.
They

Speaker 2 ring.

Speaker 2 She qualified. She ate like 10 pounds of steak

Speaker 2 to qualify to get into the deal. No, this is like a big prize.
It was a big, big event. Brandon, what was the...
Can you look this up, Brandon?

Speaker 1 They deleted all information from the Wing Bowl because of what they were doing inside that stadium.

Speaker 2 She ate 455 in the first 28 minutes.

Speaker 2 That's unbelievable. I can't be real.
501. 30 minutes.
It's 501 set by Miley Schuyler at Wing Bowl 2016.

Speaker 2 That was how many, how crazy is that, though? 501 wings. I mean, that's unbelievable.
That doesn't even seem humanly possible.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 I've seen Trey Smith fill up a few to-go boxes every Thursday night. Dude, Thursday nights.

Speaker 2 This is what the Pro Bowls play.

Speaker 2 The Pro Bowls shouldn't be playing flag. It should have an offensive lineman wing eating competition.
I want to see which offensive lineman in the NFL can eat the most wings. I'm with it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'd buy that ticket. Yeah, I'd fucking buy that ticket.

Speaker 2 Kingsley and I have a challenge because Kingsley said he's eating 80 in one sitting. So, what? Kingsley's doing what?

Speaker 2 That's a good guard.

Speaker 2 I like him sliding into guard then.

Speaker 1 Thursday nights are always my favorite after meetings because it's wing night in the facility. You can go in there and everybody, they listen.

Speaker 2 The Kansas City chefs,

Speaker 1 they put together a spread of like five to six different flavors, and they just keep bringing them out. They just keep bringing out.

Speaker 1 And when I tell you, everybody's just sitting there cracking jokes, having a good old fucking time, just smashing them.

Speaker 2 And then you see Trey walking out with fucking three boxes.

Speaker 2 Dude, good times, baby. Good times, man.
The worst part is getting the peanut on the way back home.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 Jason, I'm telling you, you gotta stop through the peanut at least one time before, like next time you're in KC, man.

Speaker 2 It's like three minutes from the crib, man. I'll let you walk to it.

Speaker 1 I'm in. You go to the one downtown or you go to the one around the plaza?

Speaker 2 Downtown location.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. It's classic, man.

Speaker 2 It got so bad that every time I stop in there on Thursday, like, oh, the usual, or I'll call, they're like, hey, is this Trey? I'm like, yeah, I will see you about 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 We got you, dog.

Speaker 2 We got you.

Speaker 1 We'll make him fresh for you, big guy.

Speaker 2 Next question. O-line Mount Rushmore.
Who are you putting on it? Oh, oh, oh, oh, top four O-linemen in NFL history. God wait, we're putting me on the spot, dude.
I got to put Larry Allen in there.

Speaker 2 Rest in peace, Larry Allen. Uh, for me,

Speaker 2 like, everyone wants to be as strong as Larry, but no one's as strong as Larry. No one has the same

Speaker 2 and deceptively athletic.

Speaker 2 That one play of him hawking down the interception. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, I thought I was

Speaker 2 moving. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I'm not Larry Allen. Okay.

Speaker 2 Dude, I want to put in Jackie Slater. Yeah.
Okay. Nice, man.
He's so big mad for like 20 plus years. Coach Hack has always talked about him.
And just look at his story. He's awesome.

Speaker 2 This is a personal one of mine.

Speaker 2 I want to put Joe Thomas in there. Joe Thomas.

Speaker 2 You say personal. Why is that a personal one for you? Like, what is just like that was a dude I used to watch a ton in high school.
And then I have a guy with Charles Bentley at the time told me, Hey,

Speaker 2 you're not Charles.

Speaker 2 Joe Thomas. Why the fuck are you watching Joe?

Speaker 2 Early in, so he sent me straight pretty fast. Did I put Will Shields in there?

Speaker 2 That's a great.

Speaker 2 That's a damn good Mount Rushmore right there. That is damn good.
That's what I'm doing right there, baby. Yeah, Joe, dude, I love that you put Joe in there.

Speaker 2 I mean, one of the most underrated, if that's possible, like the guy didn't miss a snap for like 10 years. Can you think about, I mean, how outrageous that is on top of him.

Speaker 1 He does not miss a snap. He was out there balling.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He didn't.

Speaker 2 And didn't miss a snap when they were like 0-15 one year. And he's like, yeah, I'm still going to go out here and do my job because that's what I get paid to do.

Speaker 2 That's what makes him so dangerous. He's a legend, man.

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame beef.

Speaker 2 He's got a farm. Dude, think about how crazy it is.
He didn't miss a snap and not one of those snaps was a playoff snap. Could you imagine?

Speaker 2 I don't even know why I'm making that connection, but it's just how, it's just outlandish to me. All right, whatever.
I'm just sure he loves to hear that. Yeah, I know.
I'm an idiot.

Speaker 2 I should have said that. All right, whatever.

Speaker 2 Who's the toughest guy you've ever had to block one-on-one? Aaron Donald. Yeah.

Speaker 2 AD.

Speaker 2 What about somebody unheralded? Maybe somebody the media wouldn't expect. I would say Malik Collins, who was just recently with the 49ers.

Speaker 2 Dude, I played him when he was young in Dallas and got to watch him get a lot better over his tenure there.

Speaker 2 And I agree.

Speaker 2 there's something about the like you could tell he's smart and he's like he's ahead of like what he wants to do and um i love that answer malik is a great player where's he at now you said where oh it was 49ers but i don't know if he's there again this upcoming year yeah he he started in dallas i think he's with the texans the first time i played him then he went to yep then he went to houston and then the 49ers probably great answer love that answer why do you is there a reason i just think for his size his ability to move the way he does and like you said you can tell that he's anticipating what he's going to do for his moves.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, he's sort of setting something up every time. And like, generally, guys that size are going to have the ability to move the way he does.

Speaker 2 And just like he's very proficient with his hands as well. So I always felt like he was a guy that

Speaker 2 he doesn't have the quote-unquote like namesake and the accolades, but he's one of those dudes where you go to sleep on him, man, you're going to have a long ass day.

Speaker 2 Like, he really embarrassed you fast. Yeah, man.
I just respected him, man. I really respect him.
Awesome.

Speaker 1 Love that answer. Man, I got to ask you, this just made me think of

Speaker 2 our guy,

Speaker 1 friend of the family, friend of the show. We got to actually get him on the show soon, but Colin Saunders.
How was it going up against Sir Bink on Monday night?

Speaker 2 Sir Bink, man.

Speaker 1 This past year, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was cool playing. He probably wasn't talking, right? He didn't talk much, right?

Speaker 2 Cowen was locked in.

Speaker 2 He was. He was locked in.
He was locked in. Nah, it was cool saying banks, man.
Colin was probably one of, he's got to go down as one of my favorite teammates I've ever had. Of all time.

Speaker 2 This great dude, man, but funny. Unbelievably funny, man.

Speaker 1 It's always going to be a good time around Bank, man. But that shit's funny as hell.
Was it? I was going to say,

Speaker 1 I can see him being locked in whenever I came across him on the field, but you already know he is such a funny guy and such like, I want to say a class clown, but he's here to have a good time while we get business done.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And he's got that championship work ethic and everything, but

Speaker 1 it's just, I don't know why it's hard for me to see some guys take it that serious and for whatever reason i mean i saw it but it i it just had to feel different for you going up against uh him as a saint instead of just in practice and stuff yeah it definitely was a weird feeling those first couple plays but i think the biggest thing is it's like for me learning that like man if your buddy makes a play on you makes you look bad it's gonna be even worse so like you can never

Speaker 2 know too much

Speaker 2 maybe a little middle play makes you chill chill chill chill chill

Speaker 2 You know, you got to be on your P's and Q's, man. Speaking of going against guys in practice, what's it like to go up against Chris Jones? What was that first one-on-one like?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he gave me my welcome to the NFL.

Speaker 2 That was going to be our next question. You got to tell him about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man, going against Chris, like, obviously, you know, the caliber of player he is, you know, as a rookie coming into it. And I just remember like just being overwhelmed a little bit with like St.

Speaker 2 Joe's, sure, volume of plays, you got to learn. It's hot as hell.
Like, they're riding you every day. And then here you are blocking this all-pro, so, like, best use of tackle at NFL.

Speaker 2 Like, good luck, Rook, like, figuring all this out. You know, and you know, for me, it was just getting whooped repetitively towards like, okay, I'm learning.
Okay, this worked against him.

Speaker 2 Where I can't, I can't play him like this. But, like, I feel like the sort of line to it all was understand that as I go through the season, I'm not going to play Chris Jones

Speaker 2 every single week. Every single week.
Like, I might face like maybe one, but there's only one Chris Jones. You know what I mean? Exactly.

Speaker 2 So, like, for me, it's like understanding how to block him, but then also the lessons. Like, I'm over here, you know, grinding.
It's like a long drive drill. We're in like play 13.
He got subbed out.

Speaker 2 He's back in. And I throw a right hand.
He slaps it down, beats me. He's like at Pat's Phipps.
And he just comes back. It's like, hey, look here, Rook.
You got to get that hand to the outside.

Speaker 2 You know, you can't do that. And I'm just like, he's going to come over and sweet top.
You can't throw that out to the hand too, shallow. And he's just going to laugh.
I'm just like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 Trey, I've been trying to tell you you can't be doing that.

Speaker 1 And that Mississippi accent, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love him, though, man. Like, I really,

Speaker 2 I'm so happy I get to go against that type of player every time because I know, once again, it just prepares me, bro. I'm not going to see that all the time.

Speaker 2 And, you know, just like that iron sharpens iron, right? I want to be able to go against the best. So, like,

Speaker 2 it's go time and the bullets start flying. I already seen something like that.
Like, actually, you're not as good as him. So, let me show what I got.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you ain't going to find too many people as good as him in the actual game. It's a good thing he's in practice.
You like that?

Speaker 2 We saw him before he really started to develop a name. The year we actually won the Super Bowl, I think it was one of his first games, like starting, starting.
Yep, bro.

Speaker 2 We didn't really prepare for it. We just were like, oh, like, we're just playing a three-technique.
And like, halfway through a game, we're like, who in the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 2 This is so good. Like, I was like, God dang, this guy.
And then we watched the rest of the season. He's killing everybody.
I was like, thank God it's not just us. Let's do this.

Speaker 2 Nine five, man. That's fun.

Speaker 1 Trey, I think we're good, dog. I appreciate you coming on, giving us your time, your stories, man.

Speaker 2 Sir.

Speaker 1 Wish you the best. And you already know, going into mini camp, man, we're going to fucking turn this thing up.
Get right back after it, baby.

Speaker 1 I'll see you next week, man. But appreciate you taking the time and jumping on and telling us all these fun ass stories, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. Appreciate y'all having me on Monday.

Speaker 1 You already know.

Speaker 2 I'm back at it.

Speaker 2 All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Trey Smith, man.
My dog. What a legend.

Speaker 1 Such a cool story, too, man. And he's only adding on to it, man.

Speaker 2 I don't know what hits harder, the way he plays football or his personality. God damn, he's like,

Speaker 1 that's my guy right there.

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Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Mom and dad, mom and mom, dad and dad, whatever. Parents, are you about to spend five hours in the car with your beloved kids this holiday season? Driving to old granny's house? I'm setting the scene.

Speaker 2 I'm picturing screaming, fighting, back-to-back hours of the K-pop Demon Hunter soundtrack on repeat.

Speaker 1 Well, when your ears start to bleed, I have the perfect thing to keep you from rolling out of that moving vehicle. Something for the whole family.
He's filled with laughs. He's filled with rage.

Speaker 1 The OG Green Gronk give it up for me, James Austin Johnson, as the Grinch.

Speaker 1 And like any insufferable influencer these days, I'm bringing my crew of lesser talented friends along for the ride with A-list guests like Gronk, Mark Hamill, and the Jonas Brothers, whoever they are.

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