Travis on Returning for Year 13, Jason Defends the Tush Push (Again) and New Combine Events | Ep 127

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Let's go, dude. God damn it, you're about to fucking throw a rock.
I know you are. Rock, paper, say shoot.
I thought it was. I like these markets.
You're throwing a rock now. You're going to to throw rock.
Rock, paper, say shoot. I can't get him.
I can't get him. I can't get him.
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We're back with another incredible episode for you guys. We're going to get to the Big Yeti signing up for year 13.
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Travis, we have a playing update.

Or you have a playing update. Yeah.
It has since been announced that you are playing another season. It is, yes.
And I did want to say, a year ago, I announced my retirement. So, we have to address the huge news that you are coming back this year.
Is it because you've seen me in retirement and you're like, fuck that? No. I actually, I think you've handled it perfectly, Jason.
Thank you. I think you've thrived outside of missing an Eagle Super Bowl.
I think you absolutely killed it, dude. You fucking dick.
Yeah. Well, that's the only way I can have fun with it.
No, but I do think you have absolutely killed it in retirement. That didn't persuade me in any way.
Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury, and make less money than you could make not playing football? Why are you doing this? That was kind of the one I had to juggle right there. I think the biggest thing is that I fucking love playing the game of football.
That's a good reason. I love playing.
I still feel like I could play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year. I don't think it was my best outing.
You know, I think I let my guys down in a lot more moments than I helped them, especially if you look at my track record and how I've been in years past. I don't know if that's true.
I just, you know, I want to give it a good run. I got a bad taste in my mouth on how I ended the year and how well I was playing and, you know, how accountable I was for the people around me.
And I love so many people in Kansas City, both in that facility, in the community. And it's home for me now.
And, you know, I don't want to leave that life yet. I put in a lot of hard work and I put in a lot of, you know, focus into being the best that I can for KC.
And last year, it just didn't end well for us. And I just feel like there's a responsibility in me to play out the contract that I initially signed to give Kansas City and the Chiefs organization everything that I got.
And that's what I'm going to do, man. Awesome.
Well, I hear what you're saying. I think it's hard losing a strip bowl and you feel like there's so many things you could have done better or whatnot.
And you kind of referenced that you could have been whatever. I think don't lose sight of the big reason that you guys are there is because of who you are you know what i mean and i think sometimes you lose sight of that when you don't maximize the you know the the end goal which is winning this rule so i know you're going to be dedicated like you always are it keeps getting harder though what's your plan what first of all what was your decision making process how does travis kelsey go about making big life decisions well it's similar to all the other decisions i make and it's just off a feel i don't really i'm not a very i relish that about you so much i'm not a big like measure the pros and cons and all that i i just go off a feel and i just pure gut a pure gut feeling and i um i fucking love this game man yeah and not only, I love going into the building with the guys that are there.
Yeah. You know, Coach Reed has been one of the biggest influences on my life, not just in the game of football.
And, you know, I don't want to stop going to work with him. I don't want to stop learning from him.
I don't want to stop, you know, being the reason why he has success or being a part of the reason he has success. You know, I like to have, I want that guy to have the most success in the world because of who he's been to my life.
And that's the same with Pat. That's the same with, you know, guys like Brett Veach and Mark Donovan and Coach Spags and, you know, Tom Melvin, you know, there's so many people in that building, you know, David Glover, there's so many people in that building.
That's a lot of good names to me.

David Glover. There's so many people in that building that I love with all my heart, man.
I want to keep living out those dreams and going to work with them. I never once kind of second-guessed it.
It was always in the back of my mind, even when it got tough last year on the body or when it got tough after the Super Bowl. And, you know, you're at your all time low.
It's just there's there's something in a motivating factor that, you know, you can do this and and and you want to do this. And I just, you know, I pulled the trigger as soon as I as soon as I knew that, you know I had that feeling yeah and I think you you knew the whole time I felt like even when I was would talk to you and we didn't really talk pointily about this you never asked my advice on this which I asked your advice so I feel a little hurt that you didn't ask my advice but it's fine all right um I felt like you always you you wanted to come.
It felt like that from the moment after the game, it felt like that two, a week after, two weeks, and I was like, ah, he's gonna play again. He's not ready to stop.
So, I think it's the right decision and you talk about feel, I brought this up on Chuck's podcast, but it was one thing that I very much, like, I feel like whenever I make a decision or I'm like big time deals. You call Charles Barkley not what everybody that's a surreal moment I'm just saying everybody not called I mean it's no I literally told everyone my name was Charles because it was his name's Charles Barkley um that's pretty cool that's pretty full that's just a full circle my story my bad my bad so I'm on Charles and uh Ernie's podcast shout out to uh the steam room I forget how we got the topic, but I start talking about like a lot of times like when I'm trying to make a big decision, I like really overanalyze things.
And I think way too hard about this thing and that thing and this thing. And I'll call you and you have this really good way of not worrying about all these little meaningless, dumb fucking things that I'm worried about.
They kind of mean something. Or these what could be or what ifs.
It's you want to do do you want to play football or not do you want to do this or not like and i think nine times out of ten it's like great advice for me to get out of my own head and it's helped me before so i don't know why i'm bringing it up i just always i mean there's i'm jealous of that there's some i'm jealous that you don't think about things in a way that makes you, what's the word, bogged down.

I hear you, man.

Indecisive i hear you and don't get it twisted there's always like that indecisiveness for sure yeah like in my mind i think i can be a better player than i was last year yeah i mean i feel like and then there's times every great player always feels that way so it's like you just you but you just think about it more now because of the way the season went. Yeah.
So I think there's a lot of other things that compound on that. But how big of a factor was losing a Super Bowl in the decision? It was probably the biggest factor.
If you would have won, would you have come back for another season? I mean, it's a pretty cool way to go out, but I still – I think I would still have this love for the game and the feeling

if you want to play you want to play

I think I would have thought about it more

sure

if we would have won

I think because we lost and how we lost

going out on top is nice

it's not how I did it

I went out crying on the fucking field

because I saw Jeff Stalin

and was like man this might be the last time I ever see him

Thank you. The top is nice.
Yeah. It's not how I did it.
I went out crying on the fucking field because I saw Jeff Stalin and was like, man, this might be the last time I ever see him.

Don't do that.

You see him every week.

Yeah, but it's different.

All right.

I got you.

Shout out to Jeff.

100%.

The ending of that game, I feel like I owe the guys that I come into that building with

a whole lot more effort and focus. And I just don't know what it was during that game, man.
I wasn't at my best. And the more that I see clips or watch the film and, you know, put myself back into those moments, man, I'm just like, what the fuck? I think it's just...
Don't overanalyze it, Trev. No, you have to overanalyze.
That's the only way you find, you know, at least that's one of the ways I find motivation. You're the king of not overanalyzing.
So don't overanalyze it. But that's how I find motivation.
That's how I create the beast. That's how I flip the switch.
All I'm saying, people put like the clip up where like Pat's scrambling around and you're just standing there, right? And then he runs and then your guy hits him. Yeah.
Nine times out of 10, everybody else in that situation is going to be standing there too and i know that that's not acceptable it's not and like when i watch myself do that i would watch myself sometimes the quarterback gets sacked and you watch it on tape and you're like hey you fucking idiot go over there and help the fucking guy up or like why are you just walking away from your running back help the running back up as a good teammate you think about things like that you ask anybody in locker room, if you give good effort and who's a good teammate and all this show, you're going to get a much different answer. Anyways, do you have extra motivation this year going into the season? I mean, yes and no.
I've been in, unfortunately, I've been in a situation where I didn't play my best in the final game and the biggest game of my life. And speaking about Tampa and the Super Bowl, and I think you try and make it everything.
And you don't find the love of the game doing that. And I feel like I play my best when I'm out there playing it for the right reasons.
Can it be motivation in the offseason to go out and get a few extra reps, go out and run that extra mile, go out and, you know, get a few more catches on the jugs, go out and, you know, work a little bit harder, watch some extra film, really analyze what you're showing the opponent, really analyze, you know, how you're running your routes so that guys can't get a tick on, on what route you're running. All of that can help get you where you are, but you can't go into it.
Like this mad human being that is just like, I don't know, has this built up animosity about, you know, the world and how it didn't go their way. And like, I need to this, I'll only be satisfied if it goes my way because, you know, after Tampa, it didn't go my way.
I didn't even make it back to the Superbowl that next year. Right.
So there's, there's ways to, to go out there and motivate yourself to be better than you were yesterday. Get extra reps, really put everything you have into your preparation.
But at the end of the day, man, I'm, I play my best when I go out there and I have fun, man. Yeah.
And I don't And I don't play my best when I go out there and I'm just pissed off at the world and I'm trying to be the bully because I'm playing against guys that act like the bullies. So how do you have fun? You go out there and you go to work and you build that chemistry with the guys around you.
Yeah. And I think we got a young, fun team.
We're going to get my guy Rasheed Rice back. We're going to get, hopefully, the wide receiver room that we, you know, accumulated once Rasheed went down.
Hopefully, you get my guy Kareem Hunt back. I fucking love that guy.
I want to win one for that guy so bad. You know, I just know that guys like Pat Mahomes and guys that we have on the defensive side like Chris Jones and George Karis and, and Trent McDuffie, they all know how to have fun doing it while being professional.
And that's such a unique situation to have when you can get both done, be successful, but do it in such a fun way that it makes it more enjoyable than you could possibly imagine, man. That's such a unique atmosphere and a unique like building to be in.
And I just,

I know that. And cause I've been on teams where it hasn't been that.
And it's just,

I want to, I want to keep enjoying those moments and keep building what we have in Kansas city

with those guys. Did you talk to Andy, anybody like, is there anything else you want to talk

about in terms of deciding to play again? Like what do you guys think you need to do

to get back to the mountaintop next year? I we gotta we gotta get we have to we gotta get some pieces I think 100% this offseason we're stuck kind of trying to juggle some contract negotiations and losing some key pieces and I mean that hurts you know we got a lot of guys that we rely on big time. We've relied on big time in the past that have helped us win Super Bowls that are in contract negotiations.
And it's just like- Trey Smith just got franchised? Yeah. And, you know, I know they're working on a long-term deal to try and keep Trey.
A lot of times they just do that- He's unbelievable. To prevent them going to free agency so they can still keep negotiating.
Exactly. And I'm hoping that they can sign something that Trey appreciates and that the Chiefs can still go out and get other pieces knowing that we need more guys like Trey Smith.
Guys that are dedicated to their craft. I've said it for a long time.
He's one of my favorite guys to watch play. Exactly.
He's one of my favorite guys to play with. The mentality that he takes to the field.
Oh yeah. I know I've always

trusted Brett Veach and the front office and the coaches to bring in the right guys. Not, and not only just the guys that, you know, have the skillset and the athleticism and the, and the competitive edge, but do it in a fun way.
Like we've brought in guys before, you know, like the, that can add to the chemistry of, of, uh, of how, you know, the weeks go, the routines go and try not to make it like, uh, like we're coming into work. Like we're, uh, we're excited about what we're doing and, um, we're excited about the challenges ahead.
Yeah. I'm sure.
I mean, they know how to build it. They know what they're doing.
And you guys had, I mean, come on now you guys blocking kicks and games, the chemistry was there. Yeah.
So Kansas City, baby, we're back at it for at least one more year. I can't say whether or not this is going to be the last year because I still love a lot of what I do for the city of Kansas City and the Chiefs organization.
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Let's move on to some bold topics. NFL Combine, that's right.
The annual combine held in Indianapolis wrapped up this weekend. Did you watch it at all? No.
Yeah, I didn't. I'm not going to lie.
I usually like to watch it, especially the O-line guys. I watched highlights and watched it through Twitter.
I saw a little bit of the tight end workout. That's about it though.
There was a nice one-handed grab. Who's the tight end that had the, like caught one, I think it was a tight end.
I'm judging by his stature and complexion. He caught a ball with one hand, and then he ended up having two balls in his hand at one point.
That might have been a clip from a different year, Jason. Oh, okay.
So, anyways. I'm not going to lie.
I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40-yard dash. It is fun looking up the times.
They didn't have anybody under a 4'6". And typically, I mean, you'll usually find a- A lot of blocking tight ends.
Yeah. I mean- The game's moving to more ground and pound.
It is. It is.
Especially with this fucking running back class they got. Everybody was a 4'3".
They were running. They were moving.
Running backs weren't going slow. slow.
Neither were the DBs. Yeah.
I think there were a few top tight ends that didn't elect to run. Yeah.
Yeah. Either way.
There's still some studs out there. The Penn State kid's good.
Jason Taylor's son, Mason Taylor, LSU kid, he's good. Nice.
The Loveling kid up in Michigan. There's still some talent out there.
Awesome. In the tight end world.
But yeah, I was definitely, it was kind of like eye-opening. There was no four or five guys.
Typically, you get at least one four-four guy in there that they like the label of H-back. Yeah.
Meaning he's shorter. Yeah.
Yeah. Short, kind of quicker.
What are you looking at in these guys, either on tape in college or at the combine, that is like, oh, there's some talented guys? I think over the course of the year, watching the Penn State team in the playoffs, watching the Michigan team over the last two, three years, Loveland's been pretty solid. He shows up for them.
But what about, like, is there something where you're watching tape? When there's a play to up for him but what makes what about like is there something when you're watching they make it yeah is there something when you're watching where he does one thing where you're like oh okay yeah that guy's got it yeah make the big catch their catch radius is always a huge how they catch it yeah like when it hits their hands it sticks yeah is it like fighting the ball yeah i think does it like bounce off of their hands when they when when you get a guy with the ball in his hands and he feels confident with what he's doing like the kid from penn state i don't i forget his name somebody can look it up for me yeah tyler warren when he catches the ball for rocks 44 you know what he's doing when he catches the ball he's running right through yeah he's not he's not juking you know what i mean But he has a little bit of, you know what I mean? Oh, he does. Yeah, he's got a little bit of it.
He's got at least, he's making a defender make a decision. You know, and he's playing off of him or he's like being the aggressor.
Like a guy like Gronk does. And it's just like you see a guy or a guy like George Kittle where you see a guy when he catches the ball, he knows he's getting north.
And he's either running through whoever's in the way or he's finding a way to make a miss sure and um that usually gets me fired up mason is just the the mason taylor kid uh jason taylor's i believe it's his son yeah just a fluent athlete and he's not even jason taylor's yeah right now he's not even 21 yet he's not no so i'm like this guy had a good amount of success at LSU, played in the SEC, and then on top of that, fluent athlete. He's only going to get better as he gets older.
He's only going to develop more strength and more athleticism as he gets older. Yeah.
So yeah. What do you got for centers? What tells you? Just offensive line in general.
I feel like- Well, he gets the ball to the quarterback. That's the least thing I'm worried about.
We can fix that. Trust me.
Been there. Fix those snap issues.
Least of my concerns. No, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands.
I just feel like you watch guys play, and you can tell if you've watched enough guys play and enough teammates who has good core strength who moves their feet well who is always in balance like balance is a big one for me when i see guys that are out of balance i'm like okay he's gonna get torched yeah backers gonna get up under that guy he's gonna get off balance and then there is gonna get like judo thrown or like it's like i think and i and I've been there too. I just like watching the way guys move.
That's why I do actually think watching the combine. I kind of always like watching even though I didn't do it this year because I do think that there is stuff to gain by watching how guys move.
I really do. I think that Jason Peters just retired.
21 years baby. Dude.
And now he's working for the Seahawks. Come home, Jason.
Come home to Philadelphia. You got to get Jeff and- He's doing fine.
Stay in Seattle. You're doing all right.
Wherever you're happy, JP. But he was never out of balance.
I would watch that guy play. He would jump and he was just always anatomically in the right position to redirect on top of being enormous and a freak athlete but there's just sometimes you watch guys and they're like always on their in steps or their feet are in a certain way or they're bending properly they utilize their hands a certain way and it makes you just like oh yeah i like what i see out of that and then you'll watch other guys and even if they're like higher rated guys it's like like i like this about them but like his feet aren't necessarily the fastest or like he's super quick, but he just gets engulfed sometimes of power because it doesn't look like he has good core strength.
So I love watching all that stuff either on tape or even at something like a combine. Like if I watch a guy change direction quickly and they have good size and strength, usually they can translate to be good offensive linemen.
You hear that, boys? Balance. Balance.
You have to be balanced. Balance and body control.
It's Jeff Stouten's favorite right there. Not right now.
He's got some big old boys that can balance themselves. It helps when you're 6'9", 375 pounds, Jordan Milata.
He's like, man, can you believe he taught that rugby guy how to play football? Oh, yeah, well, he was 6'9", a freak athlete, but he's also 375 pounds with 18% body fat. So, yeah, I can believe he's good at football.
But still, shout out to Jeff Stallone. um and jordan yeah and jordan and definitely shout out to jordan see i actually love watching guys run their 40 i think you can watch a lot about the way a guy runs and be like that guy's not athletic i really do think sometimes just watching i run a 40 i'm like yeah i'm not interested dk mcalfe no question that is one that is one that blows my theory out the water.

That guy looked like he was fighting the turf every step of the way.

Moving.

Angry at that fucking ground.

Moving.

And it's like, okay, he's still panned out.

Yeah.

But you watch some of these guys run and you're like, man, I don't like the way it looks.

And nine times out of 10, it's right though.

Like when a guy's hunched over running, it's like, dude.

I'm hunched over when I run. No, not when you're cruising.

What? No. Yeah.

Not hunched over like that. Phase three, I'm staying

in control right here. Balance.

Yeah, no, no. It's different.

I don't want to say names.

So we did have

an idea here from our

production team.

Events they should add at the combine.

What do you think?

First of all, anything serious that you think would actually be good to add? Dude, I immediately went to, like, could they, like, chew gum and, like, jump rope?

Like, I don't know.

Do two things at once?

Do things at once, yeah.

A little rub your...

Can you juggle and walk?

Or pat your head in your tummy or whatever it is? Yeah. I mean, that try i mean i could do it i just did it i do think innocuous things i do like giving a kid like for a while i was like we should be having these top 30 guys come in play pickleball and i can just tell whether they want or competitive you want everybody to pop in achilles and fucking blow a knee out? Yeah, that's a good point.
That's why they don't do it. But you can tell about competitiveness.
I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played a little Rochambeau. Ooh.
Right? It's not bad. I think there's better things to figure out.
Does he have any data on that? Like if a guy goes rock immediately, he doesn't think very fast? Yeah, he's like, stupid. Didn't even move his hand.
This guy's not into it. Let's go, dude.
God damn it, you're about to fucking throw rock. I know you are.
Rock, paper, stare, shoot. I like these mind games.
You're throwing rock now. You're gonna throw rock.
Rock, paper, stare, shoot things like that and seeing how they think about things or I was I was thinking in my head I'm like there's a story that we're gonna talk about in a second that like we don't need we don't need the IQ test I just want to know what you're searching on your phone. I always me everything.
Show me your web searches. Yeah, you would learn a lot about a guy.
Yeah, show me your search history. I'm not giving that up to anybody.
That tells me everything I need to know. This guy's watched over a thousand hoof cleaning videos on Instagram.
they're so Indicting I don't know if this is good or bad He's dedicated He's locked in He's into farming He cares about the animals Yeah This guy seems a little bit too simple to me I mean how many times you going to watch a guy scrape a hoof off and stuff it with powder and pack it and wrap it? Every single time. Yeah.
I don't think I've passed it up once on my algorithm. All righty.
Some suggestions from the production team. How many Uncrustables can a kid eat? What would you gain from that? One, whether they like Uncrustables.
Yeah. Do they have diabetes? Which if they don't't like incrustables, I don't know that it affects their ability to play football, but it does affect their ability to be like a trustable human being if they don't like them.
I don't trust somebody that doesn't like an incrustable. Once they get stale, man, they can get tough.
Well, yeah. Has to be a fresh boy? Obviously, yes.
We're talking peak Uncrustable.

Something about that white bread that they use. Alright, there's your

free advertising Uncrustable. Timing for how

fast you can delete tweets?

I mean... I think they're

supposed to be funny. How long...

No, take it down, take it

down. How long can you speak...

How long can you speak without

actually saying anything? I think we would win that. We'd do well on that.
What? Nothing. iPhone screen time.
That's what made me think of what your search history is. Yep.
I don't necessarily need to know how long you're on the phone. I want to know.
I don't want to know how long you're on the phone. I want to know what you're on the phone for.
Simon Says is interesting. Simon Says, what would you gain from Simon Says? I mean, it's just a pure power move, right? I like doing this weird, like Simon Says, you play along, okay? Then if you're bad at it, it's like you.
Simon Says is kind of, yeah, you got to lock in. This guy can't listen.
You got to lock in. This guy's not a good listener.
Have you ever watched the Simon Says championship? I have not. Is it good? Dude, it goes real fast.
Yeah? Is it like an auctioneer? Yes. It is quick.
Put your hand on your head. Put your hand on your belly.
Put your hand on your belly. Simon Says.
Exactly like that. That'd be electric.
Yeah. We got to get a clip of that.
I want to see what that seems like. Red light, green light? Do we just do all little kid games? He's like, Simon says, put your hand on your belly.
I ain't playing this fucking stupid game. I like that guy.
Give me that guy. That's the right answer.
Podcasting? How fast do you deliver an ad read or asking someone? I mean, listen, if I if a kid's trying to podcast as a i'm not signing i don't i couldn't even imagine doing this outside of i do think my first like after my that's where i am kind of being serious i do think that rookies like you you should if I had a podcast as a rookie, it would be real bad. Well, you're Twitter.
Not only would the content be bad, it would have been bad for me. Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly.
I don't know that I would have made it. No.
I would have been a professional podcaster way earlier. Way earlier.
How good they are at trash talking. I actually really do like that one.
Yeah. Find out what a guy says.
You can learn a lot about the way you got trash talks. Some guys are just stone cold, man.
They don't fucking give you anything. I know.
I respect that. That's what I'm saying.
That's the type. And that's the version of trash talking.
Stoic motherfuckers. Yeah.
Men of little words. All right.
All right. We didn't gain anything from doing that, so we're going to move on.
Three big combine stories. Ooh, what do we got? Colorado defense back and wide receiver Travis Hunter says he wants to play both ways officially.
That's right. Travis said, they say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different.
I'm a different person. I want to play 100% on both sides of the ball, but it's up to the organization.
He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball. We put that in parentheses.
It was inferred. What do you think about that? Is this possible? It's 100% possible.
I mean, he's going to have to prove that he can do it. Nobody has ever played every single play on both sides.
When Deion did it, he would be like a third. He was in like nickel.
He was in like certain packages, I believe. I could be wrong about that.
You think he's talking throwing that out. So do you think he's talking about 100% play every single down? Corner and wide receiver.
That's what he's thinking, yes. That's what he did at Colorado.
Well, I'm aware he did it at Colorado. That's what I'm saying.
In the NFL, they'll have to scheme up around him getting too exhausted. Yeah.
They'd really have to weigh that into their play calling, both offensively and defensively. Like defense, you can't just go man and expect Travis to just run all around the field with a guy like Tyree Hill.
After he just scored a 98-yard touchdown. Yeah.
As an offensive coordinator, I'm sending him on a go every play. And eventually, like if you're playing offense and defense like the wheels are going to

get at least a little worn out.

Yeah, that's a great point. I haven't thought about

that scheming the other team.

Yeah. It's like, alright, we're on a run

play, run them off every time.

Yeah, exactly. Like getting a new guy in there.

So you'd have to scheme them

to be able to play cover two and I just

think he's a better player when he's

in man on defense. I think

he's... Do you think he's a better man corner

than a better zone corner? No,

Oh, shit. to be able to play cover two.
And I just think he's a better player when he's in man on defense.

I think he's – Do you think he's a better man corner than a better zone corner?

I just – no.

He plays great off of like in his zones.

He can float around.

He's got a good feel.

Yeah, he has a great feel of seeing routes.

He's good at seeing concepts and jumping certain routes

and things like that.

So he plays well off – I would say – I say off the ball,

but he plays well in zone coverages.

But I think man coverage entices QBs to throw it at him more. Gotcha.
Right. I just think when you get man to man coverage in the NFL, you're, you think, oh, if I got a good guy out there, I'm taking my matchup.
Sure. Right.
I just think that that mentality, it can wear a guy out. And I'm not saying that he can't do it because I was blown away by what he could do in college in terms of like playing every single down.
I'm blown away at a smile. I think it's smarter to find him.
If he is going to do that, I think it's smarter to scheme it up to where you know you're not putting him in vulnerable position to get tired out faster. Got it.
All right.

Well, somebody who does think he can do it is Deion Sanders.

Deion Sanders is quoted saying he's going to do it or they shouldn't draft him.

Sanders still reporters, I'm going to make sure of it.

Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball.

I think he's proven that he needs to play on both sides of the ball.

I think it's going to be really, I mean, yeah, I guess we'll find out. I don't know.
I think it's easier for him to be on the field all the time as a defensive player and then offensively coming in on certain plays. Yeah.
I think that is so much easier. Like, why have him as a first, second down? Well, Deion did it the other way.
He did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player and then did did packages on defense. Yes, I think he could be more influential.

What's the point in certain rundowns where you know it's run to have him on the field going in there scooping out a safety?

Like, could he do it?

Yeah.

Could I get another guy to do that?

Probably.

Yeah, but that's also going to be your heavy play action.

Take a shot down the field.

And maybe you want him out there for that.

Yeah, well, good luck, Travis.

Yeah. I'm a big fan, brother.
Want to come to kc play both sides hey there we go that's how you get him there yeah we have like we're gonna pay away less but you can play both sides of the ball we have like the 40th pick we'll probably not even sniff him yeah travis did say uh travis hunter that is did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Ohtani does. Bold statement.

Very bold statement.

There's no way we could possibly fucking...

Well, we know that physically playing both ways in football is much harder.

Yeah.

We know that.

We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports.

I don't know what's more impressive.

I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei's more impressive because he's actually doing it.

He's not only actually doing it, but he's proven that he can- In the land of make-believe on one end, the other guy's actually happening. And he's also proven that he can be literally the best at both.
Sure. Like, he was one of the top pitchers in the league before he had the surgery.
It's remarkable, actually, when you really do think about it. And then on top of that, he was hitting home runs and stealing bases every year of his career.
Yeah, I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable. Good luck, Travis.
I can't wait to watch it happen if it does. I mean, it would be electric.
I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen. It'll definitely have.
He's too good on both sides of the ball. He's proven it.
He's already proven. That's the beauty of playing.
Do you think he's better on offense or defense?

I haven't seen enough of it. What kind of receiver

is he? Is he an outside receiver?

Is he a guy that can play in the slot? Dude, he's a fucking

all-around athlete, dude. Just whatever.
You can put

him anywhere on the football field. You can give him the

reverses. You can do anything

with him on the football field. He didn't run, right?

So we don't have the time from the combine.

No, but when you watch him run, you're

like, yeah. Yeah, he's got it.
You can tell. It's one of those where it's like, yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on that.
We should probably throw him the ball. Some of those guys where you don't even need a time, you're like, him.
What's his 40? Don't know. Yep.
But I know it's good enough. Yeah, I've seen him run.
I've seen him run. Like when you watch Jerry Rice run, you're like- He was a 4'7 guy.
There's no way.

A thousand percent.

I am so, I find it so hard to believe that he's out running DBs in the NFL.

Just shake.

You get Jerry Rice's 40 times.

Dude, I've looked it up.

It's anywhere between a 4'4 and 4'7.

I've heard 4'7.

There's no way.

I don't know who's telling me, but I've heard 4'7-1. Where? At the combine.
What combine? The NFL combine. No.
He was like a D4 player. I don't think they were running.
They weren't running at the combine back then either. He was a D4, but your D3 player.
I don't think they were running at the combine when Jerry was coming out either. It was only medical.
Bill Walsh said he ran a 4-6. Bill Walsh said that? Who the fuck is Bill Walsh? Shut the fuck up.
So Bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too. Or he's saying a ridiculously slow time to show that just how great he was as a football player.
There's only one way to solve this. We need to ask Jerry himself.
Jerry, the goat. Can you please tell these Jamokes

you were not a fucking 4'7

in the 40, Doc? I mean, what if he was? He's still

the best receiver. What does it matter? I know what

4'7 looks like, Jason. Maybe he just was a notorious

slow starter. Maybe he just was a strider.

Dude, there's no way.

This dude was

quick off the ball, and he had

a fucking great stride. Jerry wasn't a burner.

He was a freaking route runner. Dude, why was he always behind the defense? Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff he was running underneath and he would, and then go right past them.
True. He's a great route runner.
He sold it all. I concur.
Yeah, well, you're not a great route runner unless they're terrified of you going deep. And you have to have speed to do that i'm just saying sometimes you're smooth and

it all looks the same dominic goodman dude didn't plan out in the nfl but very good college shout out to coleraine cincinnati last bit of combine news uh sources have told pat mcfee show shout out to pat mcfee that markley has signed a massive two-year extension with the philadelphia eagles nice 20.6 per year. That's million, in case you were wondering.
I mean, deserves every penny of that. Yep.
36 million guaranteed at signing. Damn.
15 million available in incentives. Ew.
I wonder what those incentives are. That's a lot of money in incentives.
I don't like that one bit. You mean I actually have to play and earn it? What?

Does he have to get a 2,000

yard season every year? I'm betting

that a lot

of these are max values

with like the way I used to

be structured with how I'd be like there'd be playoff incentives,

Super Bowl incentives, Pro Bowls,

All Pros, and then with running backs

usually you'll add in yards. So you have

to like rely on someone's

vote to get your incentive?

That's for offensive linemen. It's typically how it happens.
It's pretty shitty. Damn.
Yeah. That's fucked up.
I mean, I always hit mine. So it always worked out.
It's because you podcast always podcast. That's right.
That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie. Yeah.
I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if injuries happen or something happens. We're not paying it.
The max value. But he's still getting broke off.
I mean, $36 million guaranteed at signing is. I mean, that's damn good.
That's unbelievable money for a running back in today's NFL. And he deserved every penny.
I mean, he proved how valuable, not just how good he is as a running back, but his big play, strikeability. Bro, you could tell he was one of the leaders on that team.
Oh, that too. I mean, just a great freaking dude.
And it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys. This is typical Howie Roseman.
Chess when everybody else is playing checkers. All right.
Great delivery. I got nothing.
Another off season news sticking with the Eagles. Everyone debating the Tush Push.
Green Bay Packers GM Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the Tush Push quarterback sneak.
I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it too if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage.
The only issue I have that I take up with people is people saying it's not a football play, it's rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play.
I really don't. What represents football? Physicality, toughness, will.
We're going to fight for half a yard. You know what's coming.
We know what's coming. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like machines made of meat.
I don't know what we're... It's completely about football.
This isn't... I think to some people, football is like, oh, look at this pretty Pius concept design.
That's not fucking football. I just don't understand.
That's a different side that is... This is what football has become.
This is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive lineman because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going. Don't get me wrong.
Jason's having fun with it, but I just don't understand what the proposal, like why I think one, people want to ban it. People want to ban it because one, there's some people have like a safety concern on the play.
They think that it's more dangerous. In my experience, it is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it.
Do guys get hurt on it sometimes? Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL. Typically, it's more of a grueling play.
The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high-impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted, and that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nose-diving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard. Does it suck? Yeah.
Is it a fun play to run? No. I mean, except when you get the first down or a touchdown.
But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that in my experience with the play. Is there an increased chance of you being fatigued and like hating your life? Yeah, but it's worth it for a yard.
And then the other thing is I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense that they can push. My argument to that is you guys can push too.
It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side. Like you can hunker down in there and push and accumulate mass.
I don't know. It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it.
So it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like really just one team majorly has, in I mean, they're not trying to ban the quarterback sneak. They're just trying to ban the way you guys have perfected it.
Yeah. Like, do we ban, if it's an unfair advantage, like, do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? Because that seems like an unfair advantage to me.
You know what I mean? And that does it for the news news. The news that we have the last bit of news and if any of you uh have any off-season questions please leave us a question in the comments yeah we'd love to answer them yeah or not answer them don't really have much else to talk about so now's your chance yeah i'm answering a lot of questions make it big put on the comment d Yeah, that's about all I got.
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All right, now the LA Food

Court. That's right.
We're going to do

a little taste test for you guys. Oh, give me these

calories. All right, LA Food

Court is brought to you by

Suave. Man, how about it?

You got a little suave going right now.

You're the suave. Take that hat off.
You got

the suave. I'm not doing that.
All right. Maybe

just a little. Yeah, look at that.
Ooh,

look at that hair.

Gosh. Putting this thing back on.
Can't believe you haven't started balding. What? We're Kelsey's.
I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there.
Where? No, it's just a widow's peak, not up top. No, it's going thin right through.
That's why you do it to the side? I don't do anything. I just wake up.
I don't do shit to my head. All right, here we go we're doing a little food uh taste test for you guys uh moving on to a little new heights food court we have a very special theme this week on the food court we have we'll be trying foods that we missed out on because uh we skipped jess jake's wedding jake i can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding i know do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not what?

Do you want chicken, steak, or fish?

Yeah, you were invited.

I don't remember getting the invite.

It's on your fridge currently.

Well, you know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily.

I did.

That's right.

We decided not to attend.

It was in the fall.

It was during football season.

We couldn't go. Yeah, we still chose not to go.

Okay.

We were busy, Jason. Sorry, Jake.
All right. So we're told these are all L.A.
staples. We have Heavy Handed, which is a burger out here, a burger spot out here.
We have La Sorted, which is a pizza spot out here. And we have Tacos 1986.
1986. Which I would assume means they've been open since 1986.
Yeah, what is that? That's not even like an impressive... Yeah, like they just started making tacos.
In 86? I mean, I guess it's... Actually, it's close to 40 years now.
I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm not trying the tacos. That's all you, Jason.
You're not going to even try it? No, I'm not trying those. Why? I'm looking at them like, I'm not trying those.
Travis, come on. It's Jake's wedding.
We didn't go to the wedding. We at least got to try the food.
Food number one, heavy-handed, burger and fries. Alright, this feels weird eating a fry without ketchup.
It is a smash burger, in case people are wondering. I can tell right away from looking at it.
This is probably the roughest way to ever do a food test. It's kind of unfair.
It has been sitting around a little bit, so heavy-handed, we apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries, it's just so hard.
I can't even rate this. This is a go burger.
This is a go burger. Out of all the cold fries you've had, where you- For a cold fry, absolute horseshit.
I'm just gonna be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age, and this is not one of them.
Other fries that do not hold up well with age, McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer.
That's what they remind me of. The moment they aren't hot, they're fucking terrible.
It's layered with onions. I'm not eating this.
Don't do a food. You can't have me test food that I'm not going to eat.
Everyone knows my criteria. I don't think everybody does know your criteria.
I don't do a food you can't have me test food that i'm not i'm not gonna eat everyone knows my stand my my criteria i don't think everybody doesn't know your criteria i don't everyone knows i don't eat i can tell you that i don't know that everybody doesn't know because i don't know what your criteria is other than white sauces and onions those are the only two well there's onions on that one so how is it jason it's absolutely delicious nice there is definitely a heavy m's taste in this. Ooh, a little Mickey D's.

Mickey D's was out here in the West Coast, started out here.

A lot of people don't know that.

It's a Big Mac style sauce.

Ooh, I'm in on the Big Mac.

It's very good.

I'm in on the Big Mac minus onion.

It's a very good burger.

Nice.

If this was warm, it would be incredible.

And I will say, I think this is better than Five Guys.

No.

I don't think it's even a question. That's better than Five Guys? I'm not a...
Oh, wait. You're thinking of In-N-Out.
I was thinking of In-N-Out. I screwed that up.
It's definitely better than In-N-Out. I think it's probably better than Five Guys, too, if I'm being honest.
You're more of like a smash burger type guy anyways, though. I don't discriminate.
I am on a mission to find the best burger.

I've been trying to,

I'm trying burgers all over the place.

I love burgers.

Nice.

I got a burger spot for you.

There's one in LA called Frankin' It Up.

It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something like that.

Yeah, I'm out on food trucks.

Well, it's not even a truck.

It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone.

I don't even know if it's permanent,

but fucking guy makes a great burger.

At least after 15 micheladas. One out of ten.
One out of ten, where are you going? For a cold burger, one out of ten. Those pickles are great.
They're very good. I like pickles now.
For a smash burger, nine. It is a really good burger.
It is a really good burger. For a smash burger, what it is, if this was warm, I'd be like devouring it.

I mean, you are.

You've taken four bites and it's already gone.

That's your fourth bite right there.

Cold fries, definitely get them warm.

All right, heavy-handed.

Got a nine.

That might be one of the highest scores Jason's ever got.

Can you not just take the onions off?

Food number two, La Sorta. Peppers.
And cheese. And cheese.
And cheese. Cheese? Nah, it's too childish.
I can do peppers. I can do peppers.
I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers. I don't think peppers on pizza go great, but I'll try.
Ready? You still got it. Okay.
Great sausage. All right.
A little pepper and hamburger meat. It's not bad.
I'm like positive that's sausage. Yeah.
It probably is sausage. I looped the two in.
Can we get confirmation? Sausage and peppers. I mean, it's pretty good.
Very good. It's pretty good a i fucking love a good like detroit style pizza a new york style pizza but i don't know i don't know it's not like cheesy enough or like enough sauce for me it's a little dry i do agree there could be more sauce yeah and more cheese the bread and dough actually i'm in on though i'm in on the bread and dough i'm in on the bread and dough the sausage is really good.
The flavors are fantastic. I like that it's got a little bit of the red Does it have red pepper flakes on it? Yeah.
100% it does. I'm in on that.
I'm in on a little spicy. I don't think long green peppers should be on a pizza.
That is a good piece of pizza. I'm going I'm a pizza fucking guy dude.
It's also hard hard. This isn't a warm pie.
It doesn't matter. Pizza cold or hot can be fucking delicious.
Sometimes cool pizzas. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
You don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more of that spice, I like it.
The bite is pretty solid. I'm going a solid seven.
I'll go a seven on that. It's got really good crust.
The texture of the dough and everything, they nailed all that. Yeah.
If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just really. Really just knock those taste buds out.
It'd be right up there. I mean, it'd be real good.
I'm going to go 8.2. You threw it up there.

You're pretty generous right now.

I think you're just hungry.

I am.

I am on a diet caloric deficit, so this food tastes amazing compared to food without fats

and sugar.

We're right up your alley.

Yeah.

Nice.

So, we got a nine from Heavy Handed.

I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven. Trying be a little bit generous anticipating that it'd be look at you fucking good Samaritan well heavy handed 9 la sorta I go 70 goes 8.2 so that puts us at about 7.6 it It's fucking taco.
Good luck.

That avocado has been sitting out.

Oh, I thought that was like bean sauce.

It's avocado.

It's just been brown because it's been oxidized.

Avocado, if you don't eat it immediately,

just oxidizes.

Are these all the same?

No.

This looks like chicken.

Chicken is possible.

What did you have at your wedding?

I mean, unless they have,

unless you had tofu tacos. We got all the tacos at play.
Love the tortilla. Big corn tortilla only.
I usually eat flour tortilla. All we ate, all we ate was flour.
All we ate was, yeah. I still eat them.
I can't fucking eat flour tortilla. I can do it, maybe there's a seafood taco.
I got you. I can't.
Eating a flour tortilla now just feels so gross.

I love the crunch.

No, I'm out.

You don't get them the way they're supposed to be.

Flour tortillas?

Yeah, you probably get them a little soggy and they're not as crunchy and as fun as the

... I'll still go to Taco Bell and get two and two.

I'll get too soft, too hard.

It's a good chicken taco.

Chicken taco, by far, least favorite taco of all the time. Sure, what is this? Do you have like an alpaca? What's that, is that pork? I think that's carnitas.
All right, let's try the carnitas. Jesus Christ.
Caloric deficit. You got the eyebrows up up you know it's a good thing you get those eyebrows to go up that means you've surpassed expectations or there's a little jolt of flavor town that he was I mean it's a great taco I will say let's wrap it up I're good tacos.
Tacos are one thing that I feel like

the more off the beaten

trail you go, the better the tacos are. It's just

the way I feel with tacos. The more commercialized

it is, it's just not as good of a taco.

If I'm catching this out of somebody's

back of their vehicle

that they drive, it's going to be the best fucking taco

I've ever had in my life. Dude, Taco Bell made a living

on selling rat food. They're good.
They're very good. Oh, yeah.
He's going for the moon pie. What the fuck is this? It's a mulita.
Mulita? Mulita? Yeah. Is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita? No, it's a real thing.
Looks like a quesadilla to me.

It's a Donald quesadilla.

It's a taco burger.

The heavy breathing is the fucking illest part of this entire thing.

I mean, it's hard because corn tortillas should be eaten fresh.

God damn.

All right, we got to give it one out of 10.

Where are you going?

I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get. But like the last time I was in LA, I went to like the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica.
Yeah. I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week.
Harder to order from. I would say I will give these a 7-8.
7-8? Nice. Well, that does it for Food Court brought to you by Suave Men.
And shout out to Jets J for getting married. I had no idea that guy.
What are your ratings for these foods, Jake? Burgers are 10. 10 out of the burger, okay.
Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go.

Just never be tough. It's my favorite burger in LA.
It's easily my favorite burger in LA.

Well, it better be your favorite in the world if you're giving me a 10.

You're giving me more than one

10 in the world.

Erroneous. This is where you and I disagree.

Alright, good. Pizza

8.5 and tacos I'd give a 7.3. 7.3? Yeah.
Nice. Nice.
You guys are kind of on the board. I think that's pretty...
Nice. Yeah, we're in the same ballpark.
That does it for Food Court. Sorry for my chewing.
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