Caitlin Clark on “Life Changing” Rookie Season, Chiefs Fandom, NBA Ratings Debate and more | Ep 117

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Speaker 2 You know the NCAA? Like, they don't have many rules on much anymore.

Speaker 1 Women's sports has blown up with the NIL stuff.

Speaker 2 It's been great for everybody, honestly.

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Speaker 1 Jason, let the people know who we have coming up. I'm not going to beat around the bush, guys.
This is a big one.

Speaker 1 It's a guest you guys have all been waiting for. That we all have been waiting for.
You've all, I mean, really been demanding. And we finally got her.

Speaker 1 One of the, probably got one of the busiest schedules out there. Caitlin Clark is here.
That's right. You heard it.

Speaker 1 That's right. You heard it? Woo-hoo.
Right. She's in the building, folks.
And we're going to hear a nice conversation from her in just a few seconds.

Speaker 1 And we're not going to really do too much before that because we're going to get right into this conversation because it was fantastic. But first, we are going to get to a little bit of that news.

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I'm always in on a little orange soda. They call it late night with Jason Kelsey premieres this Friday, January 3rd.

Speaker 1 Jafis, Jason, Javis, Jason, can you give us a tease or an anecdote? A tease or an anecdote?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what to say.
I think we're going to have some awesome guests on hand.

Speaker 1 Really, the whole purpose of this show is to just celebrate the sport of football. And, you know, obviously, we got playoffs coming up.
This is the last week of the regular season coming up.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just honestly an excuse to... get together a bunch of guys and bullshit about a sport that we all love, do a bunch of fun, creative comedy bits with some incredible writers.

Speaker 1 Being creative is

Speaker 1 just a joy. And I think that we have

Speaker 1 between the band, between the audience, between the players and all the people that are going to be there, I think it's just going to be a lot of fun. Incredibly intimidated by it.

Speaker 1 I'm terrified of how this is going to go. That's such a feeling to have.
At the same time, it makes you feel alive. There's something about being afraid that makes you excited, right? Every time, man.

Speaker 1 Every time. Yeah.
Anyways. Well, that's awesome, man.
I'm happy as hell for you, brother. I can't wait.
You said something about a band, and now I got to ask, are you breaking out the sax?

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Speaker 1 what this is?

Speaker 1 Nope, not focusing. I'm still too far away to be able to read that.
Oh, you got some new.

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I didn't. I didn't know pun intended.
I didn't read that on the box. I just thought in my head, what could this possibly have to do with the saxophone?

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Speaker 1 I still, you know, I don't know when. We got some plans.
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I don't know if it's going to happen to show one.

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Speaker 1 All righty, our guest today is a six-foot guard from the University of Iowa, the NCAA all-time Division I scoring leader, the first pick of the WNBA draft, WNBA assist leader, all-star, and 2024 WNBA rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 She's the most requested guest in the history of our show

Speaker 1 and the Time magazine athlete of the year,

Speaker 1 Miss Caitlin Clark. Please welcome everyone.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it. I'm excited.
I've been excited about many things, things, but this was up top of my list.

Speaker 1 We made it, Jason. We've made it.
How many accolades did we leave off? How many accolades do you have right now at this point, Caitlin?

Speaker 2 I think you might have made some up. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I'm not.
I feel like you're kind of like Wayne Gretzky for basketball right now.

Speaker 1 I mean, the amount

Speaker 1 of if you go to the Wikipedia page and you look at like the list of like awards and achievements, it's like endless.

Speaker 1 So it is. Yeah, we could, we had to limit it to this list just to get the show started.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Is there any accomplishment, I guess, of all these accolades that has meant the most to you?

Speaker 2 Oh, gosh, that's a good question. Well, I'd give you the answer my mom would say is probably academic all-American.
She was proud of me for being a good student in college.

Speaker 1 So that was that answer. Nobody thought about that.

Speaker 2 I did all right in school, so hung in there. But other than that, I mean, they're all cool, but you don't really care.
It kind of just comes with it. It comes with having fun.

Speaker 2 And I think that the time athlete of the year was cool too, just because you see the list of like all the athletes that they've had prior to me. And a lot of those people I idolized growing up.

Speaker 2 And LeBron's been the only other basketball player. So, and it's cool as a woman.
Like, they haven't had many females on the cover too. So for women's sports, it's kind of special.

Speaker 2 But, you know, just kind of comes with playing the game and having fun, as you guys know.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. I love it.

Speaker 1 What did you study in college? What was it?

Speaker 2 I was in a business school. I got my degree in marketing.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're a marketing major? I'm a marketing major. You're a marketing major.
There we go.

Speaker 1 You guys are great at marketing.

Speaker 1 We're all right. Guys like me,

Speaker 1 you got to figure out. I got to go on like dating shows just to get my name out there.

Speaker 1 I actually have a funny.

Speaker 1 made the dean's list like once in my life. And it was when

Speaker 1 it was when I got kicked out of school and it was a part of the criteria that I had to get,

Speaker 1 that I had to reach just to stay on the team.

Speaker 2 So you were capable of doing it. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Ed Kelsey always said I was capable. You just have to focus.

Speaker 1 You have to give it your all.

Speaker 1 No, my mom was actually the one paying for my tuition at that point. So I had to make sure I did my mom right.
I couldn't just throw away the grades, knowing my mom was paying for them. That's right.

Speaker 1 I share that with my mother.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about your biggest accomplishment.

Speaker 1 Being a part of Chief's Kingdom.

Speaker 1 How long long have you been a part of the kingdom?

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, Jason.

Speaker 1 I'm an honorary member. I'm a Midwest kid, so

Speaker 2 there's this picture that's been circulating from a couple years ago when I was on Peyton Eli's Monday night show

Speaker 2 where I'm in a full Chiefs outfit. I had family in Kansas City, and I grew up in Des Moines, Iowa, which is only three hours from Kansas City.
So that's just the closest NFL team.

Speaker 2 So my dad was a big Chiefs fan growing up. So people think I'm like a bandwagon Chiefs fan.
I'm like, no, I was there before

Speaker 2 Patrick and Travis.

Speaker 1 Like we were.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 We were rider-dies. So we've been big fans.
And now, obviously, all the success you guys have had has made it a lot of fun for us.

Speaker 1 Who was your childhood?

Speaker 2 My brother loved Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a guy.

Speaker 2 He was the Chiefs. We would go to like one game a year growing up with my cousins down in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 And we still try to go. We went to the Christmas Day game last year.
I think the year before you might have played on Christmas Eve, maybe. We went to that.
We were sitting outside for that one.

Speaker 2 My toes were like about to fall off.

Speaker 1 My fingers about to fall off.

Speaker 2 I don't get how you guys play in that type of weather, but it's fun. And like, obviously.

Speaker 1 They have heaters on the sideline.

Speaker 2 Arrowhead's not too bad. So good spot.

Speaker 1 It's a blast. You already know.
Have you ever messed with those heaters on the sideline? Have you ever seen those things?

Speaker 2 So we played a basketball game outside in college, like an exhibition game.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 And they had had those on the sidelines. And I was like, I didn't really never know what they were, but they had them.
And they're, they get so hot, like dangerous.

Speaker 1 It's too hot. It's too hot.
I know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's funny.
You'll see, you'll see some guys throw on those winter coats. And if they get too close to the heaters, you'll just hear them pop.
They're just like.

Speaker 1 Really? You'll just see feathers start flying everywhere. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 I had to tell them to like turn it off. I'm like, just let it be like a normal bench.

Speaker 1 I'm out on the heaters. It has to be like below 20 degrees for me even to think about sitting on the heaters.
That's why I'm sitting on the water coolers right now every time we're off the field.

Speaker 1 I hate it. I can't feel too hot.
For sure. If I feel too hot, I'm going to start to like, it's like a heated blanket or something.
I'm going to start falling asleep.

Speaker 2 I think they like said, like, yeah, there's an fire marshal over there, like watching, make sure they just catch on fire.

Speaker 1 How do we just come on out of the thing? Yeah. Do our own safety check and just cut these things.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you said your brother, your brother's favorite player was Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 Who's your favorite player or or is oh is i mean obviously travis is up there

Speaker 2 but i'm obviously a big patrick fan too how can you not be like the both of you you're pretty great oh i'm here but it's been fun and obviously i'm like i've known brett beach for a while it's actually kind of crazy so when i was in college

Speaker 2 okay we played the big 10 tournament in indianapolis and it was at the time of the combine so brett was staying in our hotel, and that's kind of how I first got to know him, like my sophomore year of college.

Speaker 2 And then we kind of have just stayed in touch ever since. So, yeah, Brett's the man.
Yeah, he's obviously done really well, and he's fun, he's cool, too.

Speaker 1 So, oh, the whole family is the Veech family is the best. Yeah, I love good people.
When I first got into the league, Veech was like Andy's assistant in Philadelphia. How crazy!

Speaker 1 So, to see where he's at now and the success he's had, it's pretty awesome. Yeah, but yeah, the Eagles had all this right there in there.

Speaker 1 Go shock off.

Speaker 1 kill. We're doing just fine.

Speaker 1 Do we are great right now?

Speaker 2 That's funny.

Speaker 1 All right, Travis, earmuffs. Put your earmuffs off.
Take your earmuffs off. They technically are on.
Okay, well, take your earmuffs off.

Speaker 1 What do we think about 2024 Chiefs, Caitlin? What do we think about where the team's at? Don't I'm feeling good.

Speaker 1 You feeling good?

Speaker 2 I'm feeling good. I mean, we're what,

Speaker 2 13 and one right now?

Speaker 1 Pretty good. Oh, I'd say 13 and one.

Speaker 2 That's not too bad.

Speaker 2 But also, like, you guys have made it interesting as a fan.

Speaker 1 We're just keeping everybody at the edge of their seat.

Speaker 2 I know. And I think that's what I appreciate about you guys the most.
And like, you and Patrick, especially, is like, you guys just have that edge to you, like, that clutch factor.

Speaker 2 And like, a lot of people don't have that. So when you get the ball with a minute 30, you need to go 80 yards and score.
Like, I'm feeling pretty good.

Speaker 1 We like the ball in Pat Mahomes' hands for sure. We do.

Speaker 1 Our defense has been saving our ass a lot.

Speaker 1 Let alone our field goal block team. And our, like, yeah, so it's been a full team effort effort this year.
Is it 10 games consecutive one for like single score games or something like that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. There's like some crazy stats like the first team ever to do that, but something like that.
You killed it. Great performance.

Speaker 1 So last time Night Your Percenter saw you with Travis was the heiress tour. How was that? Oh, that was so much fun.

Speaker 2 Electric.

Speaker 1 It was great.

Speaker 2 My mom was like begging me to take her.

Speaker 1 She's like, I got to go.

Speaker 2 Like everybody's talking about it. I'm like, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was right there in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I literally live right downtown, too, like right next to Lucas Oil. So I'm like, nice.
The night I didn't go, I'm like

Speaker 2 on my balcony trying to listen. But no, obviously, it's just a great show and a lot of fun.
And

Speaker 2 full Swifty, turned my mom into a full Swifty now. Nice.
Two of my puppies were there too. So good time.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Good time.

Speaker 1 Was that you mentioned that was like your second night going to it, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, second night in a row. And that was my third show.

Speaker 2 I went early on when Taylor first went on tour um in minnesota at us bank one of her early concerts and that was a lot of fun went with some of my college friends and we had a we had a good time together it's hard

Speaker 1 it's hard to not have a good time i don't know how you couldn't have a good time something like that this is so fun man well uh we mentioned earlier that um a few weeks ago you were named the time magazine athlete of the year time asked you to define your year in one word and you said historic

Speaker 1 we can do better we can give you two words to define your year.

Speaker 1 What would they be if you could do that?

Speaker 2 Two words.

Speaker 1 Two words.

Speaker 2 That is hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah. One word is easier.

Speaker 2 And I can't use historic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I guess you can. It's your word.
Definition. It's your words.
Majorly historic.

Speaker 2 I would say, like, I don't know, life-changing, maybe?

Speaker 1 That's a great one. I think that is.

Speaker 2 And, like, all in a good way. Like, I mean, things just change really fast.
Like, as you guys know, like, that's just how the world works.

Speaker 2 And especially with social media, people see a lot of your life. But that's what makes it fun and why I've had so many cool opportunities too.

Speaker 2 So it's crazy, like, looking back at a year ago today or around this time, like, I was just beginning my senior year of college.

Speaker 2 And obviously, you know, people knew who we were and people attended our games, but it's obviously not of the magnitude that it is now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So like life just changes fast, but that's, that's what makes it fun and cool.

Speaker 2 And, you know, quickly started a new chapter of my life too, like moving here to Indianapolis and feel lucky I'm still in the Midwest. I know you guys like the Midwest.

Speaker 1 So I think you have, I've been in the Midwest my entire life. Jason's officially an East Coaster now.
Yeah, but Philly of all the East Coast cities kind of has like some Midwest feel to it.

Speaker 1 It's the most Western city. I don't think Philly wants to hear that.
They'll probably hate that I said that, but whatever.

Speaker 1 They're not going to like that comment. They want to be far from the Midwest.
No doubt.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was just a crazy year because you go all the way up to the national championship game and then you're playing right away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, one of my coaches early on in my career said, you know,

Speaker 1 your rookie year is always so hard because you're in a new city, you're in a new place, you're with a new team, new coaches. There's so much that's not part of the routine that you're so used to.

Speaker 1 And you had that as like magnified. I mean, are you looking forward this year to like kind of having some like, I don't know, more of a routine? Familiarity.

Speaker 1 You had the first year familiarity. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's just so unlike any other professional sport, really, from the standpoint of, so I played in the national championship and I basically went to the draft right after, got picked.

Speaker 2 And then you basically pack up and move. Like you're moving in April.
You don't even finish senior year of college. And I guess for you guys, like, what was it? You go to the combine.

Speaker 2 How long do you have to prepare for the combine? A few months. And then

Speaker 2 you get drafted and you still got a little time to get acclimated to the new city. For sure.
You know, you camp, whatever. Like, it's not like that.
Like, camp for us is like a week and a half.

Speaker 1 And then you're going to work.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I think it was good a little bit too. Like you don't have time to overthink things.
Like it's just like boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 Like you're just on to the next.

Speaker 2 But at the same time, like you don't like, I feel like I never really ended the chapter of college.

Speaker 1 Like it was just like you and left.

Speaker 2 But maybe that's good. You don't have a lot of time to think about it.
So I think that's definitely the weirdest part of.

Speaker 2 you know, women's professional basketball and obviously college basketball too, is just that change, but that's kind of how it has to be too. So

Speaker 2 it's just different. But I think I feel lucky too because we had the Olympic break.

Speaker 2 So I got a month off in the middle of the season because we had to pause the WNBA season because, you know, the 12 girls go and play in the Olympics and everybody else, you're not doing much.

Speaker 2 So got like a month off, which I really needed, obviously, because I'd been playing basketball for just a year straight. But obviously, so much different from the NFL or the NBA or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 I remember my coming into the NFL, one of the biggest challenges for me was like kind of like finding my like professionalism in a sense i um i was such a leader on my team at cincinnati at least i felt like i was like the the main one of the voice of the team um and when i got to kansas city there was guys that had just been perennial pro bowlers and guys that had already had that culture set um and then on top of that coach reed and i i struggled trying to find my lane and like really like feeling like I could give a piece to the team or like find a role on the team.

Speaker 2 Was there anything like that that happened to you early on knowing that it all happened so fast for sure and like you come in as a rookie and like you said like you're trying to figure out a new environment new teammates like you don't want to say too much you don't want to say too little and it's just so hard but like in my scenario and obviously you guys too like you're already highly thought of like people are turning to you to like be something or be someone so it's hard like you're trying to find your get your feet wet but also not do too much and i think that's kind of what i struggled in early on is like i don't know what to say i don't know how to say it.

Speaker 2 I don't know how they're going to react.

Speaker 1 For not knowing, you nailed it.

Speaker 2 But also, like, I had a lot of really good vets around me too. So I feel very grateful for that.
And we had a fairly young team, too. So, like, people had been through it fairly recently.

Speaker 2 So, they knew how I felt. But, like, I feel like that definitely is a huge challenge.
And that goes for whatever professional sport.

Speaker 2 Like, you're trying to learn, but also people are looking at you like, you got to perform and like be what they drafted you to be. And that can be tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I remember, Jason, you got tossed into the into the fire early your rookie year,

Speaker 1 especially because you guys didn't even have offseason

Speaker 1 workouts. Yeah.
So we missed the whole offseason workout. And if you weren't a first or second day pick, you didn't get the playbook.
So I got the playbook like two days before training camp.

Speaker 1 So we just started right from there. But that was one thing you mentioned the vets.
And I think,

Speaker 1 you know, there's, for me at least, there was a lot. Some vets are incredible.

Speaker 1 Some of the vets, obviously, are competing for jobs, so there's a little bit there, but you lean so much as a young player on your vets, and you lean so much from like, even just like in Philly, there's so many great players that played for the Eagles that like Harold Carmichael, who was a legendary Philadelphia Eagle, was like always around and willing to lend advice or anything.

Speaker 1 Did you have many former players or current players like reach out to you that really helped you in transitioning into the WNBA?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there was, you know, quite a few.

Speaker 2 Somebody that comes to the top of my head is Tamika Ketchings, who was an MVP in the WNBA.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She won their championship here, I think, I want to say 2012 when the Fever won their championship. She was like what made the Indiana Fever really good.
Like that was our prime.

Speaker 2 That was when we were really good. And then after Tamika retired, the fever kind of went down a little bit, as every team does once your franchise player retires and moves away from basketball.

Speaker 2 And she's still really big here in the Indianapolis community. And she was one of the first people to text me after I got picked and still checks in on me.

Speaker 1 So it's cool.

Speaker 2 It's like somebody that's not in your building every single day, but it means so much to your community and to the organization. And to have that, like, she's like a legend.

Speaker 2 Her, her number's up in the rafters. Like, that's somebody I idolized and looked up to.
And for her to just take, you know, two seconds to check in on me and see how I'm doing.

Speaker 2 And that's obviously really special. So I would certainly say her.

Speaker 2 And we still have that relationship and it's still growing. And she still comes around now and then.
And her championship trophy that she won, like, like sits in our locker room.

Speaker 2 It's like right next to my locker. I'm like, great.

Speaker 1 The coach is probably placed in the motivation. Yeah, right.
Hey.

Speaker 1 No pressure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I have to look at it every day.

Speaker 1 These are the shoes.

Speaker 2 It's got like its own glass case. I'm like, great.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, better. Hell yeah, better.
Just a little motivation.

Speaker 1 This is what we're working for.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 So, but yeah. We were not drafted in the first round.
What was it like being a first-round pick? Oh, well,

Speaker 1 I felt like the first pick. So it's crazy.

Speaker 2 Because of COVID, I could have actually gone back to school for a fifth year.

Speaker 1 Were you considering that? Well, early on, yes. It looked like you were having a good old time over there at Iowa.
Yeah. I'm not going to lie.
It looked like you were having a good time.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's college. Like, you're there with your friends and like the game's just easier.
Like, it's just how it is. And you don't want that chapter of your life to end.
Like, it's fun.

Speaker 1 You do fun things.

Speaker 2 You guys know how it is. And it's easygoing and whatever.

Speaker 1 When I imagine, I imagine that decision is probably made even harder now that there is on NIL. And like when Travis and I played, like, there was no ability to make any money.

Speaker 1 It was like way different. Yeah, I get it.
Yeah. Come on every time.

Speaker 2 But yeah, so I was like kind of considering that, but then I got to the point where I was like, yeah, I'm totally leaving. Like, I know this is going to be the end for me.

Speaker 2 Just like I felt very content in that. And then obviously, like, I had a very good feel that I was probably going to be the first pick.

Speaker 2 But you're still sitting there and like, you, everybody gets nervous and jittery no matter where you're projected or what you're going to be. Like, this is a moment you've always dreamed of as a kid.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jason was a train wreck. Are you kidding me? He was, this guy was pacing back and forth in the room.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, how did you guys feel going into going into the draft?

Speaker 1 We, I knew, yeah, I guess, Travis, do you want to? I guess I'll go first. We'll go chronological.
I'll go first, then you go. All right.

Speaker 1 So, first day, I wasn't doing anything because I knew I wasn't going to get drafted.

Speaker 1 I was just like, man, this is cool watching the draft.

Speaker 1 Second day,

Speaker 1 I think the later on, guys, you have your agent is like taking any inkling of like positivity he can.

Speaker 1 So he's like, there's a chance you'll go in the third round, even though there's no chance you'll go in the third round.

Speaker 1 So I'm like watching that. I'm like, all right.

Speaker 1 But the third day, Trav, me, Trav, mom, and dad, Uncle Don, we all went bowling because I didn't want to sit there and watch it go by and watch a bunch of people get picked that like it's like just pissed me off even more.

Speaker 1 So it's like, all right, I'll just go bowling, ignore it, and somebody will call me at some point. We finished bowling and i still hadn't got a call

Speaker 1 so it was super awkward it was like all right let's just go back to the house

Speaker 1 we paid for the two hours

Speaker 1 do we keep fucking rolling these third day we still yeah so it was like the sixth round we went back to my house and then uh you know finally got a call from a 610 number i believe it was or was it 216 215 I think it was, yeah, it might have been 215.

Speaker 1 Either way, Philadelphia area code popped up. And so it all kind of went down there.
Dad came rushing in crying.

Speaker 1 There's nothing better than,

Speaker 1 and then you can hear when it finally, because I was in a separate room and they were all in the living room, kind of watching on TV.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I was still on the phone. And then I knew when they all knew because they all started cheering in the living room.
So that was exciting, but it was.

Speaker 1 nerve-wracking until the moment you get picked and then it's like you forget about all the other crap you're just like yeah i'm in the nfl now yeah my situation was a little different because i did have the year that i missed playing, but that ended up being the year that I switched into the tight end room.

Speaker 1 So it was a perfect match for me. That's when I really thought that, oh, wow, I actually love this game.
Like before, I was just back there playing the old backyard sport.

Speaker 1 Now I like have like, I don't know, I felt like I could give more to the game, give more to the team. I was in Pittsburgh because that's where my agent was, had all the friends and family out.

Speaker 1 I knew first round wasn't there, but I always thought in the back of my mind, I could, like all the tight ends that were, that were going to get drafted, I could play with those guys.

Speaker 1 You know, I might not have shown on film that I'm better than them, but I know that I'm I've shown that I could play in the NFL just as much as they can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I ended up just getting kind of like Jason said, getting told that maybe second round here, if this guy doesn't get picked, they're thinking about you. And

Speaker 1 finally got a call from a Missouri number thinking I was going to St. Louis because I had no idea that Kansas City was even in Missouri.
And from there,

Speaker 1 it was Coach Reed on the phone telling me, you better not mess this up.

Speaker 1 You did it.

Speaker 1 Nope, I didn't. I almost did a few times.

Speaker 2 How many rounds are there in the NFL draft?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 So there's seven now. Seven.
Yeah. It's been seven for a long time.
There used to be like something crazy. Yeah.
It used to be like a brand new one.

Speaker 2 It's like MLB where they had like a thousand rounds.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Insane.
Yeah, now it's seven and then undrafted. And really, once it gets to like this later rounds, sometimes it's better to even be undrafted.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you can just try to pick a good situation to go to. Exactly.
You get autonomy in that. Right.
Yeah, what was harder? High school, college, or going from college to the pros?

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a good question. Yeah.
Well, my high school to college transition was so weird because it was COVID. So like, I didn't even know when I was going to go to college.

Speaker 2 It's like, I didn't even technically graduate high school. Like, I did, obviously, but like, I didn't ever walk really.

Speaker 2 We had like an outdoor thing, but other than that, like, it was, it was so weird.

Speaker 2 And then, like, two weeks before, they're like, we're in the summer and Iowa was like, yeah, like we want you to come to campus.

Speaker 2 And literally the only people there were like us and the football team in men's basketball.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 It was so weird. Like in the dorms, it was literally just athletes in the dorms, no RAs.
It was like a huge like mansion with just college kids running wild.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. That sounds so much fun.
It was fun. Sign me up.

Speaker 2 It was a bit concerning, but it was also,

Speaker 2 it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they knew that. I still don't think they know that that was the situation.
At least that was the situation where on a few floors that I was near, but it was a good time, honestly.

Speaker 2 And it was just so weird. Like, I didn't have that normal college experience.

Speaker 2 Like, I think my first semester, like, I was taking everything online, just trying not to get COVID because we were testing every day and just trying to play.

Speaker 1 Gosh, thank God we're out of that. I know.

Speaker 2 So just kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 And then obviously going from college to the pros, I think it's just like the time span. That's just what's so weird about it.
It's just so short and condensed. Like you don't have much time.

Speaker 2 But at that point, it is what it is. Everybody has to deal with the same thing.
So that's what I told myself: is like, there's no, no point in complaining. Everybody's dealing with it.

Speaker 2 It's not any different.

Speaker 1 It's a good mindset to have. Yeah.
What's your

Speaker 1 welcome to the W NBA moment? If you can have one.

Speaker 1 Welcome to the W.

Speaker 2 I tell people this.

Speaker 2 It was early on. I want to say it was like our 10th game of the year.
We're playing in New York versus Liberty, who ended up winning the championship this year.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 2 And somebody said a screen on me and like I hit my ear like just perfect on on the girl where like my eardrum popped and like ruptured.

Speaker 1 And I knew it.

Speaker 2 I knew it right away because I've done it before and I was just like, it hurts so bad. I don't know if you guys have ever done that.

Speaker 1 I've done it. How did you do it before?

Speaker 1 Can I guess?

Speaker 2 Can I guess?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I guess. It was very Midwestern.

Speaker 1 You did it in water. You did it in water.
Something with water.

Speaker 1 I got launched off the side. Why did you just get so excited? What are you supposed to do? That's how I did mine.

Speaker 1 I went off the dive before I tried to do as many flips as I could and smacked my side of my head in the heights high school swimming pool

Speaker 1 jason was a male swim cadet so he had this was a dirty swim cadet don't put me on blast like that

Speaker 2 that's funny but yeah i got launched off a tube in the middle of a lake i was like underwater i'm like am i okay that's some midwest stuff right there but yeah so that was my my welcome to the w moment wait so when you pop that you pop your drum what happens to that there's like not really much you can do it takes like months to heal.

Speaker 2 So, like, after the season, the doctor had to like go back in and look and see if it closed. And if it doesn't close, you have to have like a minor procedure.
But lucky enough, it closed.

Speaker 2 So that's fine. But oh, thank gosh.
Yeah, you have to like be careful about like getting water in there. You can't go in lakes and pools.
Like, it's, it's, it's weird.

Speaker 2 Sometimes it'll bleed when it pops, but mine didn't, thankfully. So yeah, it's just really annoying.
Like your hearing is like really off. And Jason, you're probably noticing.

Speaker 2 Like your hearing is just kind of off for like a few few weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like muffled and just like feels weird for sure. What, um, because you brought this up because you're from the Midwest.
I love the fact that you hurt your ear tubing.

Speaker 1 What is are you a lakes or are you an ocean person? We're big.

Speaker 1 We're pros. Kylie's big time ocean, and I'm, I, I, I love both.

Speaker 2 It's hard because, like, my family would always vacation down to Florida like that for spring break. Like, that's what we would do.
I'd go with my cousins. So, like, we love the beach.

Speaker 2 My parents are beach people, but like, you just grow up around lakes in the Midwest. Like, you just, that's what, that's what you do.

Speaker 1 What beach down there in Florida?

Speaker 2 St. Pete's.

Speaker 1 That was our spot. St.
Pete. Nice.
We were Marco Island. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that was our spot. But I love lakes and they're just easier.
And I'm not as scared going in the water. Like, I'm not going to it in the ocean.

Speaker 1 For sure. I don't know what's down there.
I'm not messing with that salt water.

Speaker 2 Exactly. At a lake, you feel a little more confident.

Speaker 1 But yeah. Is a snake going to get me?

Speaker 2 How about you guys? Doubt it.

Speaker 1 I'm the lake guy for sure. Yeah.
I mean, like you said, I like both. We actually, we have a shore town in Jersey.
They call it the shore.

Speaker 1 Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1 Not the North Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1 We're South Jersey.

Speaker 1 We're civilized out there in South Jersey. All the shores over there in Jersey are the same.
Every last one of them.

Speaker 2 He's trying to hype one up over the other.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I do love the shore. I love the ocean.
And we used to, and we grew up going to Florida, but there's just something about lakes. And in particular, I like four-season lakes.

Speaker 1 I like when the lake freezes over. We played hockey growing up.
I like going on snowmobiles. I like the summers.
I like hiking. Like, I think there's so much.
Big hiker. All right.

Speaker 1 I have been hiking and I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 That's his new hobby. He picked it.

Speaker 1 How to pick it up. I didn't know you were a hike.
Well, you did. You've hiked

Speaker 1 Mount Kilimanjaro. That's right.
I'm lighter now. He's a retired athlete.
He just picks up hobbies. God damn.
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Speaker 2 You guys played hockey? I didn't even know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jason played a little longer than I did. Once I got to high school, I switched over to basketball because it was the same season.

Speaker 1 Trav hurt the entire Cleveland Heights hockey community because he was the best hockey player

Speaker 1 ever in Cleveland Heights youth hockey.

Speaker 1 He was very dominant. And then when he chose basketball, it just really deflated.

Speaker 2 You ought to be a pretty solid basketball player.

Speaker 1 I just couldn't dribble.

Speaker 1 We were known for basketball and all the the basketball games were absolutely rocking really sold out yeah and i had i had uh hoop dreams so i chose basketball but um yeah i definitely i definitely loved playing hockey the most hockey was so much fun it was probably because of the guys that i played it with more so than actually getting out there but um yeah yeah that's half of the youth teams i was on anyways but yeah i just like i like to put a helmet on you get on the ice and play a little or what were you always a hooper or what other sports did you play i played soccer growing up.

Speaker 2 It was soccer and basketball. Honestly, like, hockey isn't really that big in Iowa.
Like, it wasn't really a big thing, which is kind of weird.

Speaker 2 Like, you think it would be, but it was more of nobody really did it. I feel like

Speaker 1 wrestling's so big in Iowa. So, like, all the guys wrestling.

Speaker 2 Wrestling is huge. Like, all the Iowa football players usually are really good high school wrestlers.
Kristen Wurfs,

Speaker 1 freaking Tyler Lindenbaum. Yep.
Jason.

Speaker 2 Athletic, but big and athletic.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Great wrestlers, state champion wrestlers, but then would be like freak O-linemen or like good tight ends or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 I love watching me two big old muscle-bound bands wrestle it out. There's nothing but weights.

Speaker 1 I want to see the heavy weights.

Speaker 2 That's funny.

Speaker 1 How did you end up at Iowa? You almost ended up at Notre Dame. I did.
Yeah. What led to the decision to go to Iowa?

Speaker 2 So I was, I basically narrowed it down pretty early on when I was going through my college recruitment that I wanted to be like in the Midwest, just kind of a homebody family person, just wanted to stay fairly close to home.

Speaker 2 So that narrowed a lot of stuff down. And I visited like Oregon and Texas and a few other places and I liked them, but it was just like, I knew it was too far.

Speaker 2 And then visited Notre Dame a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I love Notre Dame. And I like, as a kid, like, you want to go to Notre Dame.
Like, it's the same with Notre Dame football. It's like, it's like the coolest thing in the world.

Speaker 2 It's Notre Dame. It has that tradition.
They've had so many great players go through there in every single sport.

Speaker 2 But like, I just knew like something, like, you could just like, I could feel it in my gut. Like, I was like, I'm not supposed to go there.
Yeah. So I picked Iowa.

Speaker 2 And we were, Iowa was really good at women's basketball before I went there too. Like, made a few sweet 16s, made the lead eight.
Our coach had been there for quite a while.

Speaker 2 But they hadn't been to the Final Four since like 1992.

Speaker 2 So I wanted to go somewhere that was good, but like maybe hadn't been like a blue blood for say in like quite a few years and kind of helped them get back to that.

Speaker 2 And then it was obviously my home state too, and two hours from where I grew up. So perfect distance where like your parents can't show up, but also like you could go home if you wanted to.

Speaker 1 Slow down.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's important.

Speaker 2 It just kind of all worked out perfect. And obviously I made an okay decision and it worked out pretty well.

Speaker 1 Worked out real well. Yeah, it did.
Did you take visits to Notre Dame and Iowa? Yeah. I took

Speaker 2 quite a few to both.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 What was your guys' dream schools growing up?

Speaker 2 Or did you even have one? Because I like, and I wouldn't even say Notre Dame was like my dream school. It was more so like, I just thought it was super cool.
Like,

Speaker 1 no, for sure. I would say, dad, dad was a big Notre Dame fan.
He grew up Catholic and he went to Catholic school growing up.

Speaker 1 And I think that, like, anybody who's like Irish Catholic, like, that's like the like I grew up,

Speaker 1 especially in the football world. And then Ohio State was really good.
Yeah, Ohio State was probably the one school that I was like, as a kid, I was like, that's the school. No, you like Michigan.

Speaker 1 You just stop. I like Michigan.
You were always a Michigan fan.

Speaker 2 You can't like Michigan and Ohio.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly, Caitlin.

Speaker 1 The thing is,

Speaker 1 I can, and I did. He liked to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 I mean, you can, but like, Michigan and Ohio State fans are not going to be happy about that.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I didn't go to either one of them, so it's all good.
I will say this was when he was younger. This was when he was younger.
By the time he was in high school, he was on the Ohio State.

Speaker 1 It was just like, anyways.

Speaker 2 Ohio State Stadium is legit. When we would go to upstream Ohio State, I would be like, we would drive past, and I'm like, it would make Iowa Stadium look so small.

Speaker 2 And it still seats 70,000, but like, that place is just gigantic.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I do love Iowa Stadium though.
There's something like very awesome there. Obviously the thing they do at the Children's Hospital is awesome.

Speaker 2 The wave is really cool.

Speaker 1 What's I'm trying to remember the name of it? I watched the game. I took a visit to Iowa.

Speaker 2 Kinnick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kinnick. Yeah.
Yeah. Kinnick.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 Great atmosphere.

Speaker 2 It's great. And the wave is pretty awesome because the children's hospital looks right over on the on the stadium.
So it's cool.

Speaker 2 It's always been been a thing, but the wave has really become a thing probably in the last eight eight years, I want to say, because we have a kid captain for every game because the hospital is such a big deal, and it's usually a kid battling some sort of disease or has beaten some sort of disease, not always cancer, but whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And that's always fun. They get to pick a song that plays after the first quarter.
And I get the chills every time. It's sick.

Speaker 2 It's probably one of the best traditions in all of sports, if not the best, honestly.

Speaker 1 Wait, so what's this thing about the wave? The wave just started?

Speaker 2 So, yeah, so after the first quarter, everybody turns because the children's hospital looks on top of the football stadium and so i remember seeing them wave yeah the patient i thought you were talking about i thought you were talking about the wave like

Speaker 1 they're gonna start doing a wave they're incorporating the wave i'm you maybe we can get that started maybe you're on to something else

Speaker 2 iowa fans are gonna be fired up now they're gonna be doing the it at the same time exactly

Speaker 1 so stupid but no it's pretty cool we heard you got your first recruiting letter in seventh grade yeah is this true yeah so at the time, like

Speaker 1 that's insane. That's insane.
Were you playing with high schoolers at this point?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's honestly sad. Like where college, like recruitment has kind of gone.
It's just insane. But also, I got you.
I feel very fortunate.

Speaker 2 Like my parents were just like, they told my older brother, go get the mail. Like, we don't want your sister to see that.

Speaker 2 They like wanted me to be in seventh grade and like enjoy middle school and like hang out with your friends. Like you shouldn't be worrying about where you're going to college.

Speaker 1 I love that so much.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So I didn't really take any visits until like after my freshman year of college.
And then I didn't decide until my senior year. So I was never in a rush.

Speaker 2 And my parents did a really good job of like make sure, you know, I have a good circle around me. Like it wasn't always about college recruitment.
I wasn't like posting my offers.

Speaker 2 Like also that wasn't really a thing when I was growing up.

Speaker 1 So but it is now. I mean, it was, it had to be close to when you were growing up.
I mean, yeah, it was close.

Speaker 2 Like people were starting to do it, like post like, oh, I got an offer from here. I got an offer from here.

Speaker 1 And especially in basketball.

Speaker 2 Now it's all you see on social media.

Speaker 2 It's like only people talk talk about it's crazy but obviously times have changed too but oh times have changed yeah it's seventh grade was wild and i was playing up like two years so i was playing with high schoolers um but yeah i didn't really like think anything of it like i was just going out there and hooping having fun and it's kind of just what came with it how much basketball did you play because nowadays like these kids play it's like non-stop it's like i know

Speaker 2 it's crazy yeah it is crazy and i so i played aau and then i played for my high school team. But my eight, my mom would be like, she is not playing more than like three games or two games in one day.

Speaker 2 Like, that's crazy. Cause sometimes they would want me to play for the seventh grade team and the eighth grade team.
So

Speaker 2 my parents were like really good about that. Like they didn't want me to lose the love of it.
Like you don't want to get burned out.

Speaker 2 Like you still want to be having fun when you're doing it as a pro if you're lucky enough. And maybe as a kid, I was like, mom, no, like I can keep going.
Like I can keep playing.

Speaker 2 But looking back, like I'm very fortunate for that because I haven't lost that fun of it and that passion for it it and always wanting to get better.

Speaker 2 And sometimes that's why people get burned out is because they did it too much as a kid and their parents forced it on them or whoever forced it on them too much.

Speaker 2 And that was never something I really had to deal with. So I feel very fortunate.

Speaker 1 Got to have that balance. That's awesome that your parents, you know, made sure of that or at least were cautious of it.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 I think the only recruitment letter Travis got in seventh grade was to St. Ignatius.
Saint Ignatius was trying to get him over to the high school. To play

Speaker 1 to play hockey. Was that what it was for?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the only sport anybody wanted to be in seventh grade, seventh, eighth grade. It was that in lacrosse.

Speaker 2 We need the hockey highlight tape.

Speaker 1 We're going to get back out there. We got to get out there with the Watts.
That's the goal. We got to get out there with TJ and JJ and all those dudes.
All right. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 We're going to try the segment. We've never done it.
It's probably going to be very short-lived.

Speaker 1 It's called Name a Person.

Speaker 1 We're going to go around the horn and each name an athlete from Iowa until we can't anymore. Oh, gosh.
I feel like you're probably not going to struggle. Can you name current players?

Speaker 1 No, no, they just have to be an has to be former players? Can they be current?

Speaker 1 No, they can be former. They have to be former.
They have to be former. No, current.
No,

Speaker 1 they can be current.

Speaker 2 I'm going to try to do like NFL current players. See if I can do.

Speaker 1 Okay. You might beat us in that too.
Travis has like the, actually, we both really have the positions. So let's see how it happens.
All right. All right.

Speaker 1 Who's starting? I'll start. George Kittle.

Speaker 2 I knew that was going to be the first person he was going to say.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say Sam Laporta, just to take Travis's answers away from him before.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go Tyler Linderbaum on the rave.

Speaker 1 Nice. I love it.
Nice. I'm going to go Claire Kittle.

Speaker 1 Tristan Wurfs.

Speaker 1 That's right. Solid answer.

Speaker 2 The Eagles, actually, rookie Cooper DeGene from Iowa.

Speaker 1 Nice. Nije, what about a little forest? TJ Haka-san.

Speaker 2 Ah, that's right. I always forget about him.
What? He's on the Vikings, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 He's finally back healthy doing his thing that's awesome i'm gonna get a throwback here i'm gonna get a throwback throwback robert gallery his wife actually played basketball at iowa too there we go look at that

Speaker 2 yeah they actually came to quite a few of our games last couple of years great people cool people

Speaker 2 oh gosh okay let's see

Speaker 1 hmm this is tough we stumped her we stumped her i'm thinking about nfl

Speaker 1 she know

Speaker 2 i'm gonna go geno stone i think he i think he's on the bangles Bengals now. I'm pretty sure he had a pick six this past week.

Speaker 1 Ooh, all right. All right.
I'll take you, Geno Ford. I'll take you.
All right.

Speaker 1 We respect Geno.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go a little Chiefs

Speaker 1 tight end when I first got to Kansas City, Tony Moiake.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 my Chi-Town brother. Shout out to Timo, man.
I'm going to go

Speaker 1 another former teammate, Julian Vanderveld.

Speaker 1 E. Julian Vandervelde.

Speaker 2 Did anybody say Dallas Clark?

Speaker 1 No, the legend. I was holding on to that one.
No gloves. No gloves.
The May. I'll stay in the tight end world over there.
Noah Fant.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 Seahawks, I think. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yep. 8-7 over there in Seattle.
All right. All right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go Marshall Yonda.

Speaker 1 And this dude is.

Speaker 1 I'm pulling up the old schools.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go Riley Moss on the Broncos. I'm going with the younger players.

Speaker 1 The ones that were were in school with me. Well, I'll show my age and Jason's as well because he was the same recruiting class.
He was also a Kansas City Chief when I got to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Ricky Stanzy, quarterback, Iowa.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. This might be right.

Speaker 1 This is where it ends. This might be.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure Matt Tobin. I'm pretty sure Matt Tobin played for

Speaker 1 positive. Then you lost.
If you're pretty sure you lost. All right.
We'll end it there. I think we all did very respectful.

Speaker 1 We did great.

Speaker 2 I'm impressed.

Speaker 1 That was fun. That was fun.

Speaker 1 Tobes with the Iowa. I knew it, Tobes.
All right, there we go. That was a fun one.
All right.

Speaker 1 What was one of your most favorite memories from playing at Iowa, though? Ooh,

Speaker 2 that's tough. There's a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe one that everyone doesn't know about.

Speaker 2 So every four years in college basketball, you get to take a foreign trip and you like go and play some teams overseas, like in the summer before your season.

Speaker 1 What? Oh, the summer.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 2 So so we went to italy and croatia like two great spots would you like more which one which one would you like honestly croatia i've heard that i've heard croatia is awesome so it would be great but i went to split and do rubnik it's awesome i tell people i'm like if you if you're gonna go one place like overseas like that has to be the spot it's clean the water's beautiful things to do oh that's cool as hell food's great nice the basketball like wasn't that serious we'd be everybody but like 80 but it was just like so much fun.

Speaker 2 Like we had, like, we had so many fun nights together.

Speaker 1 You guys were like the dream team over there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like people don't get to hear about like those type of memories with your friends, like your college friends.
And we don't get to

Speaker 2 know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 And what do we imagine growing overseas with Croatians?

Speaker 1 We found out, we just recently

Speaker 1 found out we were Croatian. We didn't even know.
That's why I got so excited when you said Croatian.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 I got some blood.

Speaker 2 That's me.

Speaker 2 That's funny.

Speaker 1 We talked about NIL earlier. How much did that change when that became a thing your senior year? Because you were unique where when you first got to college, it wasn't a thing.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, it became a thing.

Speaker 2 It became a thing after my freshman year.

Speaker 2 And it was kind of weird because like everybody was like, okay, so like, what is it?

Speaker 1 And like, trying to maneuver.

Speaker 2 You know, the NCAA, like, they don't have many rules on much anymore. So like, right.
There weren't many rules. And it was more so like, okay, like, what can we do? What can we don't, can we not do?

Speaker 2 And like, we're also the first. So like, you're trying to figure it out as you go.

Speaker 2 My family helped me a lot.

Speaker 2 But as you get going,

Speaker 2 you know, you just figure things out. And it's fun.
And, like, it obviously has been, should have been a thing for a really long time.

Speaker 2 Like, the NIL part of it, like the true endorsements, like, you're doing a commercial for

Speaker 2 the local coffee shop or like whatever it is. Like, it's something so easy and so simple.
And I think, you know, like a normal student can do that, but like, why couldn't an athlete?

Speaker 2 Like, it's just like such a simple thing that should have been a thing for a long time. But also, it was like challenging to navigate.

Speaker 2 And it still is like seeing these college students that they don't have the right resources around them and right it's it's it stinks like it's hard and um and I think that's kind of like something that needs to kind of become I don't know more prevalent and I know universities are trying to start like having in-house like NIL people or whatever it is or in-house lawyers or whatever it is to kind of try to manage that so they're doing the best they can too but obviously there's not many guidelines or rules so it makes it hard as well but it obviously changed a lot and it's made it fun and I think it's also helped women's sports grow too I think you've seen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great point.

Speaker 1 Women's sports is blown up with the NIL stuff. That's such a good point.
Everyone's becoming more familiar. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. So it's been great for everybody, honestly.

Speaker 1 Nice. Have you ever heard of anybody?

Speaker 1 You're a little bit closer to the NIL world.

Speaker 1 Have you heard of anybody

Speaker 1 paying their taxes?

Speaker 1 Because that's what, in my mind, I'm like, I definitely wasn't fucking ready to pay taxes when I was in college. Like, I wasn't thinking about that shit.
I know.

Speaker 2 That's what I always think about. And lucky enough, I had like obviously great parents and people that helped me with that.

Speaker 2 But like these people are like getting this money and like little do they know like you're not gonna, you're gonna see like maybe half of that.

Speaker 1 Especially.

Speaker 1 And so I don't know.

Speaker 2 And like they're spending and like you just worry. But if you guys got to pick any NIL deal in college, what are you going with?

Speaker 1 Oh, Adriatico's Pizza.

Speaker 1 I sell that shit in a heartbeat. I used to go there every fucking day.
If you're ever around the University of Cincinnati, go on up there to Clifton and then have some major out of Coast Pizza.

Speaker 1 Get you a bear cat pizza. It's one of the best.
All right.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 1 If I'm going for business-wise, you want to get in the PNG family. Procter Gamble.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 That's a marketing major right there.

Speaker 1 The Coach brand. The big answer is go to the biggest brand in the city.

Speaker 1 The biggest, like, oversized city.

Speaker 2 Do we need something like a little more?

Speaker 1 I'll say that I would go

Speaker 1 selfishly. The one that I would do would be Skyline because just like it's such a representation for Cincinnati.
Very unique to the area. Well, do yourself a favor.
Don't go. You absolutely hate it.

Speaker 1 Don't do it. It's very acquired.
You have to be, you have to drink it at least three or four times. You have to eat it at least three or four times when you're drunk.
So really, truly appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I've actually, I've seen Jason eat more Penn Station at the University of Cincinnati than I did Skyline. We have Penn Station here.
Penn Station is good. Penn Station is good.

Speaker 1 One of the best cheesesteaks in the land.

Speaker 2 Great cheesesteak. What do you think about that, Jason, as a Philly guy?

Speaker 1 You're going to put me on blast because I love Penn Station cheesesteaks.

Speaker 1 And there's a heated debate between Kylie and I.

Speaker 1 You're about to divide a family, Caitlin. Kylie, I took her to Penn Station.
I have a cheesesteak. I'm like, you're going to love this cheese steak.
It is so good.

Speaker 1 And she was like, this is a cheese and steak sandwich. This is not a cheese steak.
I'm like, what the hell? You can't just like switch it. It's the same ingredients.

Speaker 1 She could not stand it, was like flabbergasted that this thing would even be called a cheesesteak so i do love penn station cheesesteaks but i you know i'm philadelphia kai likes the nacho cheese on the cheesesteak though so that's a little see she doesn't like she does not

Speaker 1 she does american stop

Speaker 1 i'm not gonna let you do this to kyling the one thing that i think everybody's a little bit with is the transfer portal right like there's a kid penn state like more recently uh what is it their starting quarterback just announced he's transferring right before the playoffs yeah i saw that i was thinking as her backup but like oh was it Okay, sorry.

Speaker 2 But he played in a few games, even like quite a few games, because I think Drew Aller or whatever his name is, got hurt or something. That's what it was.

Speaker 2 But yeah, the transfer portal was crazy, especially in football. Like, I think that's where it's gotten the craziest because that's obviously where all the money is.

Speaker 1 Everybody's a free agent every year. This is not just every year.
It's like twice a year, right?

Speaker 2 Adam Schefter's like reporting, like, yes, they've negotiated a new deal for him to stay at the university. I'm like, yeah, like, where else is he going to go?

Speaker 2 It's like crazy. And it's kind of sad.
Like,

Speaker 2 it just, you lost that little bit of like, I don't know, amateurism of college sports. And I don't know, that's why it's so fun.

Speaker 1 But also, like, it's the world we're looking at. It's like a level right below being a profession like that.
Like that, I know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's like a minor league football basically now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 I don't know. What do you guys think about the transfer poll rule? Do you think there should be like different rules?

Speaker 1 I'm too old school. I didn't get the opportunity to transfer.
So I think that I don't think that people should be leaving before the playoffs. I think that they should figure that out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of think that there should be a commitment level from the player to the university that there isn't right now. And I don't know if that means signing like term contracts.

Speaker 1 Like maybe it's like a two, three-year contract that you're like agreeing to stick with a team or a university as long as there's not like a coaching change. Yeah, that's what I thought it was.

Speaker 1 I thought it was the original reason why they came up with the Transfer Porter was one, because of COVID, but two, because coaches just were up and leaving and players were being forced to just be there with whoever came in.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Knowing that the new coaching staff wasn't the ones that really wanted them or recruited them.
So they were kind of put on the back burner.

Speaker 1 I think if a coach leaves, then a player or whoever on the team gets to be able to enter the transfer portal. But if

Speaker 1 it should, it should go back to the old rules. If you ask an old timer like me, to where if you transfer, you have to sit out a year.

Speaker 2 I know. I agree.

Speaker 1 Or I think like you get one passage. Every situation is different, but

Speaker 2 or you get a free pass and

Speaker 1 receive or well, I think that makes that makes a ton of sense having one free,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 But now we got people on like their fourth school and their seventh year, it's just getting agreed, it's getting egregious.

Speaker 1 Insane. I was, uh, I was being a kid, and when I CAA football, the video game came out, I was just like, I just have to.

Speaker 1 I have to buy that, I have to play this, I have to act like I went to every university. And then I was like, oh, I don't have to just go and create a new like player, I can just transfer.

Speaker 1 So I played at four different schools, one the Heisman at each school. And I'm just like, man, could you imagine a player doing this?

Speaker 1 Because NIL, if he wins the Heisman early on enough, he's going to get, or they're going to get enough money to

Speaker 1 stay at their college? Yeah. Yeah.
To stay in college for as long as they want or as long as their eligibility will let them.

Speaker 2 And what do you have to say? In college for three years? In college for four?

Speaker 2 What do you guys think about that? You think that's good?

Speaker 1 Or you think that should remain?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of in favor of that.

Speaker 1 yeah i don't know i don't like restricting kids like if they're good enough go but there's like a physicality that i feel like is still like very different yeah but it'll get to the point where it's not even the physical it'll just be guys will leave knowing that they have the potential to become that you know what i mean so guys will just like get drafted based off of potential even more right all right now

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Speaker 1 We end all of our conversations with a segment we call We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer, Caitlin. So it's as simple as that.
All righty, Caitlin.

Speaker 1 You're up and you don't have to answer these. You could tell us to just fuck off.
Did you see the new NBA All-Star format i did i did and how do you feel about this oh

Speaker 2 see that's four four teams of eight with one team being the rising stars so i saw kevin durant uh said this today or maybe yesterday or whenever it was but they should go back to the east versus west and that's when i loved it i think it should be east versus west like that's true all-stars like no doubt east versus west battle it out that's what it was about yeah so i think that's what it should be but obviously not the commissioner.

Speaker 2 I'm on board for East versus West all-stars. I think that's the whole point of it.
That's why you're an all-star. It's the best from the East versus the best in the West.
Play each other.

Speaker 2 See which side's better.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. I'm not a fan of any of these in-season tournaments that the NBA is doing.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 I was actually talking about this today.

Speaker 1 How are you?

Speaker 1 What is there to not be a fan of?

Speaker 1 All the funky floors, and then there's tournaments, and they don't mean crap.

Speaker 1 Can we just play basketball? Can we just play basketball?

Speaker 2 I'm getting like a migraine looking at the neon green shit.

Speaker 1 But no.

Speaker 2 I feel like it was a hit the first year, the NBA Cup, the commit or whatever it was. And it kind of like toned down a little bit this year.
But it's interesting.

Speaker 2 They're trying to spice it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 I don't know what team is what team. The jerseys aren't the same.
The colors aren't the same. Jason is such a, he's such an old, stubborn dude.
This is hilarious. All righty.

Speaker 2 That's funny.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Caitlin, you don't need to help with the ratings, but it's been in the news a lot recently that the NBA ratings are down.

Speaker 1 Should we brainstorm a few ideas besides changing the NBA courts to bring back ratings into the NBA? What do you think? That's a great marketing major. Come on.

Speaker 2 I've been asking a lot of people about this and why they think they're down. But also, like, it's interesting because I'm pretty sure opening day was the NBA's best opening day in a while.

Speaker 2 So it's interesting.

Speaker 1 And obviously, I think, I think. The Cavs are back, baby.
The Cavs are fucking wild right now. You know what I'm saying? It just makes the league better when Cleveland's thriving.

Speaker 2 They're really, really good.

Speaker 1 Fucking pulled that out of my ass.

Speaker 1 They are fun to watch right now. So let's ask this.

Speaker 1 What are your suspicions potentially as to why the NBA rating should be down?

Speaker 2 Honestly, I feel like the average just like basketball fan doesn't understand how good NBA players are. And they think it looks like they're not trying.
I promise you, they're trying.

Speaker 2 They're just like so good. Like that's why it looks like they're not trying.

Speaker 2 And obviously the physicality of the league has changed a lot and I wasn't around when it was like much more physical and maybe people want more like beef and physicality and people think it's gotten soft.

Speaker 2 But I think that's also because the skill has just changed. And like that's what's great about basketball.
Like it's always evolving. Like it's going to be different than when MJ played.

Speaker 2 It's going to be different in 10 years than it is now. So it's hard for me to like put my finger on like why it has gone down.
And also it's competing against a lot of football right now.

Speaker 2 You have to take that into consideration like football is just you know that's america's favorite thing i think people should like i mean i love three-point shooting i love seeing guys just like launch threes but not everybody loves that so i don't know what do you think about a four-point line i love that let's do it that's actually a great idea genius that is genius four-point line How does the criminal justice major come up with the best marketing plan right here?

Speaker 1 Sometimes you just got to open your eyes, Jason. Look at the sheet of paper in front of you.

Speaker 2 Or we can get like just two spots.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I uh, what about what about you're saying that that everybody's questioning how physical the the game is what do you think a hockey style fight won once a game just everybody picks a fighter who doesn't like a box

Speaker 1 two minute catalog boxing you can come back in you don't get ejected that's what i'm saying he's got some reach

Speaker 2 guy wants that

Speaker 1 yeah what about like an nba jam rule where like if you want if you start making like a third bucket it's worth more it's like heating up like you're on fire if you're on fire it's worth more so like i don't know that'd be

Speaker 1 that would be cool that would be cool just made me want to play nba jam have you ever played nba jam kalen yeah i i used to have this like it was like the whole arcade like the arcade so sick oh i'm jealous yeah

Speaker 1 i haven't played in a while but yeah is it potentially because they're playing too many games i think that's for sure probably something like 82 games on like somebody's body like so many it's insane like they like they're not practicing a lot like it's just hard if it's to the point that guys are that your star players are having to take time off why don't we just play less games i know so the star players don't have to take time off because i i don't know i just i feel like the nba and major league baseball grew up in times where ticket sales were what like was your main source of revenue and now it's all driven by ad dollars from tv contracts yeah so if to increase tv revenue it's like just play less games in more impactful times i don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's definitely ways to solve that. I mean, like 82 games, and we don't even, we play half of that, and that's going to go up as we add more teams to our league.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But, like, I can't imagine putting 20.

Speaker 1 Kansas City's

Speaker 1 shopping around for a team.

Speaker 1 Trying to bring one. I know.

Speaker 2 And they got, they got a good basketball arena there. What is it? The Sprint Center? We're a Sprint Center, oh.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 1 Golly, you just took me back. It used to be Sprint.
Sprint sold to T-Mobile, so now it's the T-Mobile Center.

Speaker 2 I know it was one of them.

Speaker 1 Big 12 tourneys there every year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a great spot. And then Power and Light District down there, like, it's, it would be a great

Speaker 2 woman's basketball could could be great there. For sure.
So I'd support it. But yeah, I don't know.
I think 82 games is a lot on somebody's body. And like mentally, like, that's hard.

Speaker 2 And what is it for football? I mean, you're playing, what, 15?

Speaker 1 You're playing 17 regular season games. 17 in their game.
Which I think is too much.

Speaker 1 I think the NFL should be playing less regular season games, but I'm using that back.

Speaker 2 And what are you playing, Travis? You're playing like

Speaker 2 three in the next, three in like 11 days or something like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it already started.
I'm going to be playing two in the next,

Speaker 1 what is it?

Speaker 1 Eight games, eight days? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, how do you even prepare for that?

Speaker 2 Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 You just put your shoes and pads on just like the other team.

Speaker 1 We're in this together. And you put your face in the fan.
You just know it's coming. We're all in this shit now.

Speaker 1 To be honest, we're ending that skit on, or like the three games games in 11 days. We're ending it on Christmas.
And it's like, who can't get excited to play on fucking Christmas?

Speaker 2 That's true.

Speaker 1 We didn't last year, and you saw that firsthand. But this year, I think we're ready.
We're going to rebound on Christmas.

Speaker 1 We learned. We learned from last year.
Yeah, exactly. You recently played in a pro-am with Annika Sorenstam.
I did. You hit a person on a T-box.
I don't know how you do that. Okay.

Speaker 1 You would hit a person on a T-box. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know I can relate. Jason, I don't know if you played in enough pro-ams yet to hit anybody.

Speaker 2 The video that was going viral where I like completely topped it. So it's crazy.
Like we're playing like these long par threes that are like 200 yards.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm not good enough to hit a par three like 200 yards. So I whip out my hybrid.
I'm like, teen up my hybrid club. Just top it like straight at fan to the left.

Speaker 1 But I think they dodged it. Down the third baseline.

Speaker 2 But I nailed somebody on a different par three, like some woman, like right in the shoulder. Shoulder? And I saw a TikTok like the next day, just like black welt on her arm.

Speaker 1 Well, that's just how you're good. She's got a black welt.
Are you more competitive in golf or basketball?

Speaker 2 That's hard. I think like golf makes me more mad because I'm not as good at it.
Like, I'm just like the average hack, and like, you want to be good.

Speaker 2 Like, you're competitive, just like basketball or football. Like, it's like, why am I not good at this? So, and it's like meant, it's like it's an individual sport, and we're used to team sports.

Speaker 2 So, I think that's what pisses me off, too. It's like, it's all on me, and I know it's all my fault.
So,

Speaker 1 I share your pain.

Speaker 1 Are you more nervous on the free throw line or at the first T?

Speaker 2 First T, not even close.

Speaker 2 I'm shaking. I can't put my ball on the T.

Speaker 1 You're like,

Speaker 2 can't get it to stay on the T. You're shaking so bad.

Speaker 1 Try to put the T in the ground.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, you're average at golf. At least you're confident in the actual sport you play, you know?

Speaker 1 Touche. According to your teammates,

Speaker 1 you are quite the karaoke person.

Speaker 1 What is your karaoke song of choice? Or what's what's your go-to? Ooh, that's tough.

Speaker 2 It switches up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, depends on what mood you're in. It does.

Speaker 2 You know what's good? Where is the love by the Black Eyed Peace? That's a good song.

Speaker 2 It's a good karaoke song.

Speaker 1 She gets it. Yep.

Speaker 2 Honestly, it changes up. I like a little duet action.
So you could go up there with your friends.

Speaker 1 Okay. Nice.

Speaker 2 I haven't done karaoke in a while. What's your guys' go-to song?

Speaker 1 If you had to pick, I have one song and I go to it routinely. And that is Total Eclipse of the Heart by the Dan Band.
I will sing that at any time. I'm anything 80s rock and roll.

Speaker 1 70s, 80s, rock and roll. Throw it on.

Speaker 1 Springsteen,

Speaker 1 you name it, any of it. I'm like ACDC.

Speaker 1 I can only do one, though. If I'm going to do ACDC, I can only do one.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That takes a lot out of you.

Speaker 1 Because I can only stay. I can only stay

Speaker 1 for so long. And then my voice is just gone.

Speaker 1 I will go Colt 45 Afro Man if I ain't feeling

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 COVID 45.

Speaker 1 What's the GOAT basketball shoe?

Speaker 2 So I play in only Kobe's. Kobe's are my

Speaker 1 Kobe fan. What numbers?

Speaker 2 The five and the six. I like the six probably better, but five and six, they're low top.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's where I was like, I can do the ones. That's about it.
But they look cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they look cool.

Speaker 1 And trust me, I've sprained my ankles a thousand, a thousand times there's no stopping it anymore i forget which number it is but he came out with the ones i think after he uh popped his achilles with the the i actually like went up like halfway up the calf yep and they're making those again yeah are they really yeah i got a pair in like white and maybe red so that should be the that could be the shoe you hoop in there it is goes all the way up his leg make sure

Speaker 1 i'm not rolling my ankle i know that for sure

Speaker 1 just wearing a winter boot yeah literally if you weren't playing basketball, what would Caitlin Clark be doing? You said you were a marketing major.

Speaker 1 Would you have gone more into that world or do you think you would have jumped into something else?

Speaker 2 Oh, man, that's tough. I think if my basketball career would have ended, I still would have loved sports just because it was like so, such a huge part of my childhood and like what I did.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I don't know, maybe like try to work in like the front office of a sports organization or something like that. I think that would be cool.

Speaker 2 Not like the coaching side of it, but like the operations side and getting to do like free agency stuff. And I think that would be really cool.

Speaker 1 Apparently you have talked about opening a rib restaurant. Is this true? Yeah.
Are you ready to rib rib rest?

Speaker 2 And this was like such a random thing when I was growing up. I like told my mom like, yeah, there was like this plot of land like by where we would like, where we lived.

Speaker 2 And I like had this weird obsession with like ribs. It was like what I asked my mom to bake me.

Speaker 1 So I was like, there's nothing weird about it. Let me tell you, there ain't nothing weird about that.

Speaker 2 So I was like, yeah, I'm going to open the rib crib, like have this barbecue joint. Like,

Speaker 2 we'll see. I've kind of phased out of, like, I love ribs still, but I don't, I've never made ribs for myself.
But I'll just hire a chef. Maybe he can run the restaurant.

Speaker 1 You can just be the face behind. What's your baby, baby back or spare ribs?

Speaker 2 Baby back.

Speaker 1 Baby back. All right.
All right. Give them a baby, baby, baby.
Are you Kansas City style barbecue sauce?

Speaker 2 I'm Kansas City, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
That makes sense. That adds up.
Has to be a little bit more sad. What about

Speaker 1 what sides are we having? What sides are we having? This dude didn't talk about it. He's on lines.
I haven't had a bit of lineman at heart. Have you disclosure?

Speaker 1 Hold a scroller. I haven't had dinner yet.

Speaker 2 I got to go like some mac and cheese. Okay.
What else are we going with?

Speaker 1 Cornbread? Some cheesy cornbread. I have to have cornbread.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe some like green beans with bacon or like

Speaker 1 I don't even know. Baked beans.

Speaker 2 Baked beans. Baked beans are great.

Speaker 1 Jason's just answering his own question. Burning.

Speaker 2 Baked beans are great. I love baked beans.
I haven't had barbecue in forever. You're going to make me crave it.

Speaker 1 My mouth is legitimately watering right now. Come on down to Arrowhead.
We'll get you some barbecue. Can I get the banana pudding for dessert?

Speaker 1 All right. Piece of advice for the next Caitlin Clark watching.

Speaker 2 That's tough. I think just like enjoy every single moment because it goes so fast and like life changes so fast.
And, you know, you only get to do a lot of things once. So have fun, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 Remember why you do it because like you love it. You're passionate about it.
You know, don't take it too serious. So, I would say that's tried to, that's how I've tried to live.

Speaker 2 And obviously, some moments are better than others. As you guys know, you get competitive and caught up, but you know, just enjoy it, have fun, and you know, keep loving it.

Speaker 1 I think that is a very perfect answer. Yes, especially for somebody going into their second year.

Speaker 1 I took so much shit serious when I first got in the league. I was just like, I have to do this, I have to, and this and this.

Speaker 1 And now I'm just like telling everybody, like, you know, it's not that serious.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 That's funny.

Speaker 1 Before we wrap, do you have any questions for us?

Speaker 1 You got it. You got it.
Feel free to ask none. I mean,

Speaker 1 this is still fun. It was fun.
You guys were great.

Speaker 2 So thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Caitlin, Claude. Yeah, baby work.

Speaker 2 Thanks, Kelsey Bros.

Speaker 1 You guys are awesome. You're absolutely amazing.
Can't wait to see you and the fever go at it again next season.

Speaker 1 When are you guys starting up for a training camp april april oh nice so you got some time okay i got some time so hopefully i can make it to a chiefs game here soon maybe a playoff game or something so i'll tell you what we punched our tickets so we're definitely gonna at least have i would assume we at least got one at arrowhead but you know uh you're uh you're invited to a mall so all right appreciate you guys thank you so much thank you so much for coming on caitlin

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