Chiefs Magic, Bird Bowl & Bill Murray on Iconic Career, Best SNL Host, Prank Calls & More | Ep 113

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Shout out to the Cats. Subscribe on YouTube or Wondry Plus wherever you you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one s jason why don't you tell the people we got an exciting one this time no i mean this is this is probably the most exciting episode we may have ever done this was electric we got an incredible episode for you guys you're not going to want to miss this one we're going to talk about the chiefs black fridaybiter, the Eagles winning the Bird Bowl.
But first, we're going to get into a little bit of that new, new. Actually, before we get into that, we have an incredible guest waiting for you guys.
They're probably going to put out a promo, so I don't even have to act like it's a surprise at this point. Yeah.
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You're not going to want to miss any of this. I mean, the guy is just as smooth as fucking the other side of the pillow.
Yeah, we're going to make sure to put it at the end of the episode so that you guys have to watch this entire beginning portion. So first, we're going to get little bit that new news that's right new news is brought to you by espn on disney plus hey is that some type of like sports network anyways not getting enough of me uh well espn is now on disney plus that's right not getting enough of me can never get enough of j.
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This is also not really new news, not really new news, but we have received a demand about what our next film club movie should be by a celebrity mystery fan. Travis and I have not heard this.
Intern Brandon and Jets Jake. Celebrity mystery fans hear it.
Who screens these voicemails? Just so I know. How many voicemails do you listen to on average a week? We are up to 735 unlistened to voicemails.
So how listen to voice so nobody listens to these 30 brandon i'm trying they won't stop calling they text now too for those of you that haven't heard we have 730 unread voicemails which is similar to probably what i have in my voicemail because who does voicemails anymore everybody listen to voicemails. Just do a voice memo.
I don't want to fucking go into my voicemail box and fucking get some shit. But if you guys want to keep sending in your Heights hotline voicemails, I'm sure we'll eventually get to them.
Intern Brandon will get to them before he dies, hopefully. All right.
Let's get to this one. Can we hear this mystery one, please? Play this one.
Hello. I'm just calling because...
I know that voice. I don't have a need for relationship advice.
I can give you a relationship advice, Kylie. But what I do need is to nominate a movie for the next movie review.
Interesting. I think it's the holiday season and that Love Actually is a tremendous movie.
If it's not Jumanji, I'm going to be so mad. Love Actually, come on, guy.
You can really sit down with your significant others and enjoy. Love Actually.
Because it's not like one of your significant others hasn't asked you to watch it multiple times and you send no every time, so this would be a great excuse to get you to watch it. Okay, I hope you take this into consideration.
You guys are great. Love you.
Bye. Love you too, Kai.
All right. That was Kylie.
That was Kylie. That was Kylie.
I know that voice. Yeah, I haven't heard her voice over the phone.
Yeah, it's a little bit different. Love love actually is that what gerard butler is that what that one is uh no we got a hugh grant uh liam nielsen neeson sorry uh liam neeson is it like a taken film not even close no i would have been in if it was like taken oh mr bean mr bean no way rowan atkinson nice i think we can both probably agree we're not doing Love Actually.

Yeah, probably not.

I'll do like a really good Christmas movie, though.

All right.

We'll open it to a fan vote, as always.

Yeah, we'll do a fan vote.

There's no favoritism played here, even for my own wife.

Please submit your favorite holiday films.

And just for the record, before millions of moronic people submit Die Hard,

Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. We will not be doing Die Hard.
But yeah, any other Christmas

film which is in the spirit of Christmas or the holidays, doesn't have to be Christmas.

I mean, I like Eight Crazy Nights, a great movie. We will review it and we look forward to it.

I did drop you one note.

You dropped me a note?

Yeah.

Oh, Kylie said she would come on if we did Love Actually. Does that change anything? I don't think it really changes how we feel.
She has her own podcast now. She can just do Love Actually, right? What does she need us to do Love Actually for?

Yeah, Kai, why don't you do Love Actually and then put it on Not Gonna Lie.

There you go.

How about I come on Not Gonna Lie and we can do a movie review of Love Actually?

Yeah, don't fucking torture me.

Yeah, Travis is not a part of this.

This is not fair to Travis.

I'm an innocent bystander here, Kai.

Don't fucking come for me.

Well, you know Hugh Grant.

It's not even going to hit the same.

You guys are like best buds now.

I've never seen it. This is not fair to Travis.
I'm an innocent bystander here, Kai. Don't fucking come for me.

Well, you know Hugh Grant.

It's not even going to hit the same.

You guys are like best buds now.

I'm not going to lie, though.

You do tequila shots with Reggie. I've watched like two or three movies with Hugh in it since,

and I fucking love all of them.

There's something about knowing the guy, man.

Yeah, it makes you like it more?

Yeah, I think so.

Either that or I think-

So should we do love, actually?

Now you're talking me into it. I never said we wouldn't't enjoy the movie i just said i don't want to review it okay that's fair intern brand is giving me a lot of side eye right now just just do it just do what that's highly honest movie i know what you're trying to do brandon yeah knows what he's doing.
I'm not trying to hide it. How about this? I'm going to offer a barter system.
We'll do two. We'll do a double movie review episode.
So Brandon gets what he wants. So Brandon gets what he wants.
We'll do Love Actually and we'll do a fan. Because I don't want to – I think the fans should have some say in this voting procedure.
No, 100%. For the film club.
That's the whole point of this. That's the fucking point of it, yeah.
Yeah. We're going to do Love Actually and another film that you guys will vote on and tell us which holiday film you guys would like us to review.
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Did you did you actually think that the show was good you were watching monday night you were giving me dude i was fucking dying i love getting texts mid yeah i was laughing with me though right not at me right yeah i mean that's life is laughing at jason kelsey but you laugh with everyone when they laugh at you so that's right. Perfect.
All right, let's move on to maybe something that we can find some laughing with while we're doing it. And that's a bold topic to wrap up week 13, which really, because of Bill, we're only going to get into the Chiefs and Eagles.
We're not going to get into too much of the NFL landscape this week because we're going to get right to the stuff that we think is going to be highly entertaining. But we will give you a little Chiefs recap.
Travis, you faced off against the Raiders, and you guys snuck out the victory. It was tight.
There was some end-of-game shenanigans, which I think all of Twitter was debating back and forth on what happened. And I don't think anybody really fully knows exactly what happened.
I know exactly what happened. What do you mean? All right.
Well, the Chiefs won 19-17. We know that.
Yeah. There was an end-of-game procedure.
I guess we'll get right into that. It's not the start of this, but we'll just talk about it.
End-of-game procedure. O'Connell receives the snap, doesn't know the snap is coming.
Fumble. There's a flag on the plate.
One official is running into the frame, signaling false start and the officials convene decide to say it's illegal procedure or snap infraction how do they say it no it's illegal uh what do you call it it's like um it's like some people are in motion right it was like that's what it is it's not it wasn't a false start it's not like everyone got set and somebody jumped off sides. I agree.
It was the entire team wasn't set. Correct.
Because of that, the play then goes on, and the play doesn't stop right there on the snap like a false start would. So, yeah, for those of you that don't know, false start is not an accept or decline penalty.
If there's a false start, the play never existed. It's blown dead right away.
So this is why there's a controversy, because there is one official running on the field, one of the side judges, who is signaling false start. He's signaling the false start, which is this.
When they talked about it, they realized that it wasn't a false start. I agree.
It's not a false start. The one way you can say it's a false start, though, the center never gets set.
What? The center is set. His hand is on the ball.
Yeah, but he's moving his head. All right.
Now the center can't move his head? So because – His head wasn't even moving. Never mind.
I changed my mind. I retract.
I retract. I thought he did like the little deal with his head.
It is what it is, and I'm not pointing blame on anybody. You can't put that kind of call into the ref's hands.
It is what it is, and I don't think you – you know what I mean? If you're the Raiders, you don't do it because we get all the calls. You just never want to put a fucking – be in a position where you're relying on the refs to make a call, whether it's right call or wrong call, a call that takes the ball away from you or ruins your chances of winning.
And it just it is what it is. You know, I've I've been in situations where I've put it in the ref's hands and I've come up, you know, empty handed like that as well.
I agree. I think that that's not a false start based on what I just saw.
And they got and they got the call right. But for those of you that don't know, O'Connell talked about this.
Why did the snap happen in the first place? There's a little bit of miscommunication. The Raiders are on what we call silent count.
Intern Brandon, can you bring up that clip again? Whenever you're ready, intern Brandon. Jesus Christ.
We got to get some new interns. Come on, bud.
That's a lot of stuff. So pause it right here.
When the guard goes to tap the center, pause it. So you see the guard look back and he taps the center.
When you're on silent count, that tells the center, it's on the guard to tell the center when the quarterback is ready for the ball. Typically, the guard gets an indicator from the quarterback.
What happens here is O'Connell is clapping his hands to try and get people lined up. When the quarterback claps his hands is another cue for most teams on silent count to the play clock is going down or there's an unguarded receiver, hurry up and snap the ball.
So the guard thinks we're trying to go quickly. O'Connell's just trying to get people lined up.
All of a sudden, there's a snap when he's not ready for it. And we have the ensuing fumble recovery and game-clinching fumble recovery for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Pretty critical error, and it's unfortunate. I kind of joked on Twitter, like, this is one thing I don't miss about playing center.
These little procedure things come up so much, and it's regardless of whose fault it is, it's so infuriating when something like this results in a seriously negative play and something like this actually costing them the game. Because let's face it, if they don't fumble the ball, they're in field goal range.
They're going to get an opportunity to at least kick a field goal to win the game. So it's just, you know, it sucks for these guys.
This is, you know, one of the things about playing. We've seen it with Chicago Bears.
You know, teams that are good teams don't make these mistakes, especially in critical moments. This is something that the Chiefs have been unbelievable with.
And there's a big reason why you guys have only lost one game, is that you guys just are very, very smart in the most critical moments of it. You can't tell me that wasn't a good team, though.
I hear you on that. You're saying the good teams find a way.
You know, that's something that, you know, you just have to learn to live with and learn from. And it is what it is.
Even great teams, you know, slip up and have those mix- mix apps uh and you know i think uh they played us great all game you know this dude brock bowers is having a fucking holy legendary season and he uh and he really turned it up on us uh especially in the second half and late in that uh late in those past those last couple drives man very guy seems unstoppable, man. I'm just like I'm sitting here just watching every single snap is and he's finding ways to get open through.
And everybody's their eyes are on him. Everybody's kind of like, oh, he's a rookie.
And, you know, no eyes. Everybody knows how good this guy is.
He's a first round draft pick. He's literally been one of the best, if not the best tight end in college football since he was a freshman.
The guy is an absolute beast, both as a route runner with the ball in his hands and making plays during the run game. And it's showing up each and every single week, man.
And it gets me excited to watch, you know, the tight ends, all the young tight ends in the league and, you know, how much of an impact they all make on their team, man.

And he's definitely at the forefront.

But this team, I mean, they play us tough, man.

They have, for whatever reason, their defense did have a good –

they had a good understanding of what we were trying to do

and how to stop us and how to slow us down

or eliminate a lot of the big-time plays that we had.

And on top of that, keep us out of that end zone.

That was the biggest thing for me was – and where I take a lot of pride is once we get in that red zone man um i get a little hungrier and and right now i just for whatever reason this year i just can't find my way in the in the end zone i'm just not on the same page as pat and uh and it's uh it can get frustrating it can get fucking frustrating that's for damn sure i think the play you're talking about is that cover zero blitz where – There was more than just one play. Okay, all right.
But that play – Clearly Pat thought you were going to continue on that path. You thought he was going to kind of throw it upfield for you.
But, yeah, whatever. I was just trying to – that play specifically covers zero.
I'm thinking if I don't have it right now and the ball is still in Pat's hand, I need to do something else to get open for him. Gotcha.
I went one way, he threw it the other. Yeah, the Raiders are a great team, especially defensively.
I think Patrick Graham, is that the defensive coordinator for the Raiders, Patrick Graham? I played him against him a bunch in New York. Very smart guy.
I feel like when he knows you, individual games are difficult because there's a lot of familiarity. Yes.
And I just think that he is – he's just a very smart coordinator. Typically the games that you know you're going to get, so the coaches start game planning those specific details and the scheme way in the offseason, before the schedule is even released.
You know exactly who you're playing in your division. Let's get really good at playing those guys knowing that's what six games that yeah five games six games that we play right there yeah yep it's uh it's it's it's over a quarter of the actual season so it's like let's get really good at those those games so you go into the offseason preparing for those teams specifically and you know that doesn't that's not saying that we weren't preparing for them all offseason.
Of course. They played us really well last year.
Listen, we heard about it from Raiders fans all week in Tahoe. Yeah.
Talking about ruining Christmas. They knew that they had your number.
I'll hear about it all year next year ago. What are you going to hear? You guys won this time.
I hear you. You're right.
Still going to hear it from the Raiders. They're not going to stop.
I've been fortunate enough to beat the raiders my entire career and yeah uh i've heard it's still gonna show up and yeah that's the one thing it's a good fan base for you what is the feeling why are you guys able to close out these games like what is do you have an explanation for everybody who's asking these same questions on every sports show where we just regurgitate the fact that you guys find a way to win?

Is there something more to it? I don't know. You can call it luck.
You can call it fortune. You can call it guys just playing their ass off until the last second is off that clock.
And we know a lot of weird shit happens in this league. I think both sides of the ball do a great job of that.

That is the coaches do a great job of making sure the players know how wacky things happen in this league, let alone in this game. We've seen a lot of the weirdest shit happen.
I think it's just been coincidence that we've seen a lot of it happen this year just to us. Typically, just on the offensive side, we we'll watch i don't know every college football game every two minute from the nfl every single week and we'll get caught up on what's possible what could possibly happen at the end of a game with these types of scenarios and when you understand that that that's you know when you understand the possibilities possibilities and you start to become more familiar with, you know, man, anything really can fucking happen.
If we just keep playing hard until the end of the game, no matter, you know, no matter what's happening, no matter, you know, the situation at hand, if there is a chance to win, if there is still a chance on that board. Yeah.
um you keep playing man and you just uh you keep playing you know to respect the guy next to you for for him giving him giving everything he's got to let's get into the game a little bit more into some of the other stuff you know listen i know you hold yourself to a really high standard i think you're being a little hard on yourself um we did get a number of good plays from the Big Yeti, including another Travis lateral, which, I mean, who doesn't love a Trav lateral? Again, to Piran, you guys have, like, some type of chemistry here. Look at this.
Bow. Yeah, man, right place, right time.
I'm just happy it worked. I think Coach Reed's under, on quotes, saying either today or yesterday that, you know, yeah, if you're going to do it, it better work.
If I have a little bit more awareness, I don't even have to pitch it, though. I can just get vertical up the hash and get the first down myself.
So as I'm always watching the film, how can I make a play better? How can I make, you know, more of an impact on the game? Yeah. And if I could get the first by myself without lateraling the ball, yeah, I'm going to try and do that.
This is kind of just an instinct that I had, and I'm lucky that we completed and we were able to get a fresh set of downs there. Well, I think you might be starting a trend now with the laterals you've done for a number of years now.
Don't start this. start this what do you mean start i'm the i'm now i'm the guy that fucking invented the lateral or made it well i didn't say you invented it don't give yourself too much credit everybody's even college worth said that something about me this had yeah this was nothing like what i've done this is just a guy in the backyard playing football all right fair the way he has yeah this is this is a lot less planned out yeah that just came yeah exactly this was just instinctual this was very tackled they got me they don't have you you take it all right well let me ask you this play as an expert of laterals should we see more laterals in the nfl it's the most underused rule in the game of football, yes.
God, I love that answer. I love that you're fucking saying that.
I think I heard Rich Eisen mention that early on in my career, and I was like, damn, he ain't lying, man. That shit would be sweet if we were out here just fucking flipping it around every single play, and that's what football used to be.
Are you saying that you are taking your football playing advice from Rich Eisen? I mean i'd take a i'd take any type of advice from rich eisen man that's a good point he's a pretty awesome dude and smart well put together yes that's right all right it's a man right there this was also officially scored as a josh allen seven yard touchdown pass to josh allen which yeah pretty cool. Should they start giving –

Assist?

I feel like they should say an assist.

This should be a version of an NFL assist, right?

The thing is, I just don't think it happens enough for them

to even create a category for it.

But you could do this now even like when people pitch the ball

like in the backfield, like on a reverse or something like that.

That's an assist by the guy who – I feel like it needs to be tracked.

This should not go unaccounted for in the stat category.

I like assist.

It feels like it's an assist.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, hopefully.

Smart by Josh, man.

The old three-man weave, dude.

Follow the pass.

Dude, and I was watching the – we're going to get into the Eagles-Ravens game.

I was like, dude, they should definitely design a – no joke, before this game happened, i was like dude they should definitely design a no joke before this game happened i was like they should definitely have a play where lamar i think after you laddered it where he runs after like a hitch like the slot area and just like catches a hook and ladder like i don't know i feel like it'd be an awesome play if you can get a defense to play soft enough coverage where it's a guarantee hitch and the play doesn't just ride. It would have to be the right situation of like third and like 25 or like a two-minute type situation.
But then you're even – yeah, I'm telling you. I've dreamt of all of these situations, I promise you.
And I feel like I have a decent grasp on when a team's playing soft enough to be able to catch the ball and evaluate and be able to throw a pitch or a lateral out there. I mean, clearly you do.
Or you catch them in man-to-man and you beat your defender, and now all of a sudden you know that there's one guy for every other route around you. Yes.
You know? and that's what happened in Buffalo, ironically, last year. The good news from that win, the Chiefs are officially in the playoffs.
I know that you guys are really worried about this, but you have officially clinched a playoff seed in the AFC. Travis will be playing extra football as well as the rest of his teammates and the Chiefs.
So congratulations on making the 2024 NFL playoffs, Trev. Thank you, man.
And as shitty as I've played, you know, it does feel good to be, you know, in my 10th year in a row making the playoffs, man. 10th year in a row.
Dude, that is fucking insane. It is.
Absolutely insane. That is so crazy.
Time flies when you're having fun, baby. Let's make the most of it, man.
Let's make the most of it. One goal has been reached.
We got to win the division. That's another goal that we got to reach and then secure home field advantage, which we have the keys to the car in that race as well.
So we just got to finish strong, baby. Just finish strong.
And, and then, you know, get, get violently accurate with our intentions. I love that.
Alrighty. Speaking of the division, the chiefs will host the Los Angeles chargers in arrowhead this week against Jim Harbaugh and company.
That's right. Do you like playing divisional opponents first at their place and then second at home? Or do you care? I don't even know why I'm asking this question.
Intern Brandon put it there. No, I don't think it matters where we play him.
I'll play him in a fucking CBS parking lot, man. I love the divisional games.
It's a whole new sense of competitiveness. Yeah.
And it's a whole new focus. The intricacies of the game, the fundamentals, the what move did I use last time, what play did we use last time, what look did we give them last time, all those things start to play a little bit more, and it's even more of a chess match.
It's the closest thing to to a playoff football game that that i feel like you really get and when there's a playoff potential team um in your division that you're playing like the chargers or like the broncos that we have at the end of the year you know it it makes it even more of a of a i don't know just like excitement it's exciting to get ready for these games man man. And I mean, the Chargers, they're a new team.
They're a way more motivated and way more focused team than I thought they were in the past years. And sure enough, their quarterback's playing really fucking good right now.
And that defense has got some absolute beasts that we got to be ready for. That's right.
Yeah, Harbaugh hasn't played much better. I mean, it's largely the same team, but they got a lot of confidence right now, and it's evident.
And the quarterback is playing with that level. He is making some big-time throws.
They're playing with some fucking heart, and I hadn't seen that in the Chargers in a long time. Comcast Business helps retailers become seamlessly restocking, frictionless paying favorite shopping destinations.
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Eagles 24, Ravens 19. Eagles come out on top in the Bird Bowl.
How about that? One of the Bird Bowls in the league. Initial thoughts, Jason? Huge win for the Birds.
And by Birds, I mean the Eagles. That bird.
Nice. Listen, the Eagles have been playing a lot better since the bye.
But this was a win, in my opinion, that I think myself and a lot of people think the Ravens are among the best teams in the NFL. From a talent perspective, they have so many very good pieces.
This was a huge test for the Eagles, the Eagles defense, and them as a team. And they largely answered the bell.
I thought they put together a great game. The front is playing so good between Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis and the edges.
A guy like Jalex Hunt stepped up big time in Brandon Graham's absence. Linebackers, the Kobe Dean and Zach Bond, are playing and flying around.
They're playing very aggressive in smart football, and I love watching it right now. The DBs, they've just been able to shut teams down, quite frankly.
Cooper DeGene, a rookie, has come in and played lights out. Reed Blankenship, we've still got our man Darius Slay.
He was out this past week. But, you know, Quinion Mitchell, the other rookie that we drafted in the first round is playing great football.
Offensively, they found an identity, right? They have Saquon Barkley, which he's been unbelievable. We're going to get to that in a second.
But, you know, I think with the pieces they have, I don't know how you defend them. I really don't.
If you play – I talked about this a little bit on Monday Night Football, but if you play man coverage, A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith are going to annihilate you if you're going to try and live in that world.
If you play shell, Saquon Barkley is going to be a heavy dose. If you want to play these zones, this is really what worked very well against the Ravens.
They ran the zone read plays, the RPOs and the play actions were all so synchronistic.

Okay. very well against the Ravens.
They ran the zone read plays, the RPOs, and the play actions were all so synchronistic. Okay, synchronistic.
I don't know how you defend the Philadelphia Eagles as an offense. And the Ravens, I mean, they didn't allow that many points, but I think it was an impressive performance for the Eagles.
It's been an impressive performance for just about all season long, man, especially since they got Saquon Barkley back there. No doubt.
Running the fucking rock and even more so in the second half. He's been fucking amazing, and it's fun to watch him kind of take over games there in the second half.
You tweeted about it saying Jason tweeted on X, Saquon has been so good in the fourth quarter this year. How many enormous game-leading or ceiling big runs has he had? It's insane how clutch he's been with an exclamation point.
You don't always see Jason use punctuation like that, only when he means it. And it's true, man.
It's true. It feels like whenever they need a huge play there in the second half, who better than Saquon Barkley to give that fucking ball to, man? He's like zero to 60 faster than any other fucking human that I've ever seen, man.
And he's such a big dude, quads, enormous. So you're trying to tackle this dude or slow him down or get an arm on him.
If you don't get a thick, solid hit on him then you know he's he's liable to fucking break one and you saw it like two plays in a row it was it was it was an outside zone to the left where the safety just fucking got his cleats and he was kicking himself he was like man that was it that was it let alone uh but little did he know he's going to get another chance later on that drive to really break one, man. And that's where the MVP kind of chatter really fits in.
I mean, obviously the yards, he's the leading back in the NFL right now with a chance to break the all-time rushing record, which would be completely electric. Yeah.
The thing that makes him so valuable and so unique is the second half big explosive runs that have either sealed games or put games out of reach for instance the run from last week on the tackle pull play he had to run through a couple arm tackles which might not seem like much but maybe if it's another back you get down at the five and you don't end up getting in the end zone there and like the defenses have been very staunch in the red zone saquon being able to run and finish these plays off in the most critical parts of the game, it's been such a huge determining factor in the Eagles late in games and why they've been able to win games. It's been arguably the most valuable factor to have.
I think he's up there. I mean, again, it's obviously a quarterback-driven stat, but if Saquon Barkley breaks a record that's been in the NFL, I mean, when did Eric Dickerson set that record? 84.
84. The record's been since 1984.
If he breaks that record and the Eagles somehow end up being the NFC champions, I don't know how you don't give it to Saquon Barkley. I really don't.
Even if he doesn't break the fucking record, if he's the best player on one of the best teams in the league and he's proven it year in, year out in the biggest moments, what are we even fucking talking about? That's a good point. All right.
I think that makes sense. What are your final thoughts on this one, big dog? My final thoughts are the Eagles prove that they are legit Super Bowl contenders unequivocally with this win.
if they stay healthy, I don't know that there's a more talented team

than them in the NFL.

I might be able to argue that.

Well, okay, can I say NFC at least?

Will you at least agree?

I mean, well, the Detroit Lions are pretty damn talented.

Yeah.

That's the one thing, man.

I really, just as a football fan, as a fucking offensive line fan,

there is nothing more than I would like to see than the detroit lions face off against the philadelphia eagles like i want that game to happen so bad i think all of the nfl wants this to happen jason who doesn't want to fucking see that this is how this is how the nfl fucking got where it is today it is 70s 80s handing that fucking thing off to guys like Eric Dickerson. You know, the guys like Jim Brown.
Everybody wants to see that thing in someone's hand and everybody try and stop that man. I'm with you.
I will say this. I'm talking a lot about the Eagles.
Mark Andrews had a touchdown in that game. Dude, Mark is a fucking dog.
Dude. Right now, him and Likely, that is a fucking scary dynamic to have in the tight end room to have to fucking get ready for dude that first touchdown that andrews caught where he just like caught it above his head and like held it there he's a fucking beast it might be the most man touchdown i've ever seen like it was like it was like i'm bigger than all you other mother it was like like he went up for a rebound and just like it was i'm telling you i thought he's about the ball mark is a fucking like yeah like little giants like a little giants moment i'm like he went up for a rebound and just like it was.
Dude, I'm telling you. I thought he was about to pop the ball.
Mark is a fucking. Yeah, like Little Giants.
Like a Little Giants moment. I'm like, he is squeezing the fuck out of it.
How big are his hands? That ball looks so small. Yeah, dude.
It was. Dude, he's an electric man.
I thought that. I don't know why that stood out to me so much.
Mark right now is playing like, you know, one of the best tight ends, if not the best tight in the league right now. I know him, George, and Brock Bowers.
those dudes are absolutely playing fucking ball right now is playing like, you know, one of the best tight ends, if not the best tight end in the league right now. I know him, George, and Brock Bowers.
Those dudes are absolutely playing fucking ball right now. And it's fun to watch.
Next week, the Eagles are going to face Bryce Young and the Panthers. Not just Bryce Young, a new and improved Bryce Young who is playing his ass off right now.
I mean, quite literally, I mean, they nearly got the win against the Bucs bucks it's two weeks in a row that bryshon has been playing really well the panthers might officially be good i know the eagles should for sure be worried about them because they are playing everybody i can tell you they've officially been good for at least the past two weeks yeah if not before that they were kind of seeing that uh we started to see that thing kind of build and mold together before their bye week before we played them and then sure enough uh they play as just as good as anybody honestly they've been playing better ever since i made the joke that they were the worst team in the nfl that's what happens jason it's like the kickers thing like i just gotta stop i gotta stop talking i mean or keep shitting on people and watch people fucking turn turn that's what i should do shit on people and then all of a sudden they play better and i can take credit for that even though it makes i had no impact in it whatsoever sounds like a typical media person right the universe is weird like that man start shitting on the chiefs don't you tempt't you tempt me. Once again, Bold Topics is brought to you by Amazon Prime.
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All right. From Valerie Jean Louis on Twitter.
There we go. Nice.

My question is, if you could

have been on any team from

kids' movies or TV show, which

would it be and why?

Interesting. Any kids'

movie or TV show? So

she's looking for a kids-centric

team, essentially.

I think it's just like kids' movie

from... But it's not like Remember the Titans.
I guess they're teenagers they're teenagers in that that's a high school movie so that still counts right any team from a kids movie or a tv show but is it a kids tv show or is it just a regular valerie you gotta be specific if you want somebody like jason to answer your question yeah don't forget we are dumb asses travis just told you we are very stupid but who who are you going with? We can't pick Sandlot because they just pick Sandlot.

So, Valerie, thanks for taking the fucking answer that we probably both would have picked.

From kids.

All right.

Let's think kids' movies that are sports.

Teams.

Space Jam.

We talked about it with Bill.

I mean, you could be on the Monstars.

Would you be on the Monstars or would you be on Jordan's Toon Squad? I might go Monstars. That would be a fucking electric group to be a part of.
Yeah, except that you wouldn't be the one controlling your Monstar. I might be a Monstar if I'm on the Monstars.
You're going to be one of those little fuckers, the little fat shits? That's who you want to be? Not when I steal. Whose talent would I steal? I wouldn't.
Okay, so I can't steal one of them. I'll play that game with you.
Yeah, I would steal. If you were an alien.
I would steal Shaquille O'Neal. I would steal Shaquille O'Neal's talent.
God damn. You would be.
That's right. Who the fuck is stopping me with Shaquille O'Neal's talent? I don't know.
Greg Popovich? I don't know.

Tim Duncan?

Yeah.

Shaq didn't do. Shaq was unstoppable.

That wasn't the issue.

No. Stopping him

was impossible.

I think I'm going Space Jam. Who are you going?

I'm going to go...

Man, it was just...

As a kid, I just loved Major League, man.

That's not a kid's movie.

It is in my book.

All right, fine.

What is it?

Does it?

Willie Mays Hayes, Rookie of the Year.

There's so many good ones.

Angels in the Outfield.

I'd love to fucking feel what it's like to.

I kind of feel like you guys are the angels in the outfield this year.

Are the angels in the outfield?

There's some unknown like

here you go with this fucking tape voodoo

this dude's such a dickhead

who you going with kicking and screaming god damn these are all fucking golden i'm gonna say the

fucking uh the little giants, man.

Yeah.

Me and Icebox.

I figured that's where you're going to go.

Fucking unstoppable out there.

Spike would have no fucking choice but to eat shit.

I'm taking you against Spike any day.

All right.

I like that.

There you have it.

Great question, Valerie Jean-Louis.

So, yeah, if you're interested for something to watch with the kids you can check out my google tv list uh lilo and stitch uh we got a brink how electric is brink it's classic i love all those i love all rollerblading period when's the last time you saw a fucking kid rollerblading man dude i want to get back out when's the last time you saw a kid with a fucking raspberry on his knee because he fucked his shit up outside kids get outside use the first aid kit your mom's and dad's have in the house if you never scrape your knee how are you gonna know what life is actually like born well done oh gosh how are you gonna know how to put a butterfly a butterfly band-aid on you know these are fucking essential skills that you're gonna eventually need in life they need to get outside and fuck some shit up to go figure that's right that's right if you show me a kid that hasn't scraped their knee and i'll show you someone that has a gluten allergy all right there's a bunch of classics that you're going to want to check out.

That was uncalled for and stupid.

That was uncalled for.

Shout out to Cousin Riss.

All right. There's a bunch of classics that you're going to want to, you'll love watching with the family.

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It was so perfect.

All righty.

Our guest today, you might know him from his run on SNL.

Legendary movies like Caddyshack, Ghostbusters, Stripes, Space Jams, Lost in Translation. My personal favorite, Kingpin.
Basically anything with Wes Anderson. He's an Emmy winner, Academy Award nominee, and of course a winner for the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor.
Yes, sir. And he's also now my official golf competitor.
Yeah. Yeah.
Please welcome Bill Murray. Thank you.
Baby. How many movies do we miss? What about Bob? Groundhog's Day? Yeah.
I don't think. I mean, we'd be here all day.
Yeah. Well, we got.
Are you guys on an hourly or is this a flat rate? Honestly, we will take whatever you give us. There's a lot of them, but, you know, some people have their favorites.
You did yours. We're good.
I'm fine. Let's start off with your favorite, dude.
Well, I always say I like this. Do you have one that you wish you would have done over? Well, you probably like a game that you played really well and you lost or something like that.
Is that possible? Yeah. So not that they lost, but I made a movie called Broken Flowers with Jim Jarmusch.
I thought it was a great movie. Broken Flowers.
And I made another movie called The Man Who Knew Too Little with a director named John Emil. That had some really, really funny stuff and some really great actors.
That is another one of our favorites. Yeah, that one had some really funny stuff.
When you're on the side of the building and they're shooting up at you and oh my gosh. The freaking Russian dancing scene with the doll.
Oh my gosh. My knees have never been the same.
I really did it too. Those were real Russian dancers like, my God, what the hell is that guy doing? He's actually doing it.
Of course, I never walked again, but I mean, it was, I really went hard for that one. That's awesome we're gonna talk a little bit of golf uh we're in georgia at georgia cobb what's the name of this cobb cobb county cobb county cobb town near cobb town georgia two at a hoopie two bees in cobb you guys are over at a hoopie yeah onion town onion country that is i i don't know if that's the onion the official onion is definitely the logo do they grow onions here gill is that the deal we're talking to gill hansom what kind of onions uh one of one of several people taking credit for designing the golf course yeah it is a beautiful golf course man have you been down here hell yeah two y'all two off seasons ago saw the is it, the zebras off in the distance? Yep, zebras.
They have zebras. They have wildebeest.
What else do they have out there, Bill? And they have my caddy, Eric, who's off in the distance. Yeah.
Offering zero help. Yeah, we had a great time out there today.
Eric, we had Gray, the other caddy. Gray's a jerk.
You didn't like Gray? No. He's all right.
He's from Alabama. Heavy accent.
Heavy accent. He's on the comeback trail.
Played safety at Auburn. He's pretty.
What? He's an interesting guy. Played safety at Auburn, and he's caddying for you.
Yeah. I love it.
You have somebody that you really like playing golf with. Who are your favorite golf partners you've played with through the years? I kind of like playing with women.
They're more fun. They're sort of less threatening to me.
Okay. But they just seem to be having a better time, most of them.
Yeah. I play golf with this good golfer who lives up north and south named Bridget Rooney.
I had a good time playing with – Larry David is actually a funny guy to play golf with. Nice.
I can believe that. I mean, it's not bad to play golf with a total curmudgeon.
But he really enjoys the game a lot. So he's not like all – That's cool.
He didn't get all mental when he hits a bad shot. Were you always a golf guy? When did you get into the sport? God, what a setup that is.
Were you always a golf guy? Golf guy, yeah. Yeah, no, I did some, I did my share of exotic dancing, but then I started as, I mean, I began as a caddy.
I mean, I was a child before that, but I started as a caddy and that's kind of what happened. I was a shag boy and then I was a caddy.
And you kind of, you know, once you caddy for years, you know, you kind of, you're in. Yeah.
It's like a baptism without, you know, approval. You're in.
So that's sort of what. Was that just like the summer job or? Yeah.
Well, in my family, you had to, like, if you wanted to go to high school, if you wanted to go to the Catholic school, you had to pay for it yourself. So not that I necessarily wanted to pay for it, but I just, my eldest, my elder brothers had gone there.
So that's what I was going to do. And they'd done the same thing.
Ed and Brian had both paid their way through high school caddy and gambling, learning the intricacies of cards. And so I had to do that too.

Nice.

What is it about golf that you like so much?

Well, if I'm trying to stick up for it, you know, like I often am, like a lot of people go like golf.

Oh, you're chasing your little white ball around in your funny little clothes.

But it's really, you know, maybe one of the only games that's a game of self-report where you have to say what your score is. So the problem today was I had no idea what my score was.
Neither did you. I'm looking at my caddy and he's going We relied on Eric a lot.
All he was doing was to a fault. I don't think we got it.
We'll never know if we got an accurate result. We technically tied by Eric's account.
According to Eric, we tied. But that's because someone sitting in one of these chairs gave Eric $700 at the turn.
Jesus. $700 in small, small bills.
And I'm not talking fives. Small bills? Yeah.
Throwing ones at them every shot? But that's one thing about golf is it's a game of self-report

where it's like your honesty is like a key thing you know and you don't know if you play with people that cheat at golf but like you can cheat on your income taxes you can cheat on your spouse your your lover but you cheated golf we're done i got no second chances i understand the impulse to cheat it on taxes or like another guy, another woman. But you cheated golf.
I don't even want to see your face anymore. It's the golden rule.
So there's that. So there's like a code.
You know, there's a code, which a lot of, you know, every sport has a code. But I think that has a fierce code.
It's a game of, it's a body attention, you know, self-awareness kind of game. You know, you have to, I don't know what football is like beyond the, like freshman year of high school level, but, you know, you really have to be, you know, composed to play it correctly, to play at your best, you know, quiet inside and, you know, the most efficient use of your body and everything so

it's like that it's man i'll tell you what doesn't look like that one of the most uncomposed people in the fucking world is jason kelsey and tahoe oh my gosh we did see jason absolutely this past year spiral in his first round at all.

Was he diving into the lake or what?

He was.

He might as well. He came out the gates hot.
I think he was plus four. I think he was in the red for the first three holes.
Three or four holes. This is very nice of you to bring this up, Travis.
Double, double, double, double, double, double, double. This is what you have brothers for.
Yeah. No, it's good.
Keep your composure, man. I'll tell you what you got uncomposed.
I took you out of your game. What was that? The second or third day.
That's right. I was playing so bad.
It was either you or the Lucky Beaver. I can't figure out which one it was.
The Lucky Beaver might have did it. Yeah.
So how many courses are you involved with? How many Lucky? Well, how many Lucky Beavers do you guys know?

Well, I know one officially titled Lucky Beaver.

They have beaver in Nevada?

In Reno, yeah.

I listened.

Highly recommend it.

I didn't see any in there, but I was in there grabbing some drinks.

Yeah.

Oh, is that the name of a bar?

It's a bar.

So were you guys playing as a team in

tahoe were you against each other no tahoe's individual scores individual yeah it's a point based though you can the max is a double bogey um and that's uh minus three points i believe and then from there it kind of just playing together we were playing we were paired together but we weren't

yeah

we were

against each other

you play with a different group

every Were you playing together? We were paired together, but we weren't. Yeah.
Yeah, we were against each other. You play with a different group every day, different twosome or something? It's typically a round of three guys just so they can keep the pace up.
We played with Andrew Whitworth, a tackle that played in the league for a long time in Cincinnati. I hate that guy.
You don't like Andrew? No, I don't. I don't.
Well, he's a very hateable guy. You've played in a bunch of pro bunch of pro.
If he's not holding, I don't know who the hell he is. He ain't lying, man.
So true. That's some good shit, man.
The camera of shame. Shame that man.
Show his face. Show us his face.
Yeah. I'd like to see someone.
So if you take off your helmet you have to come off the field that's a flag it's actually a penalty it's a flag yes it's a flag if your helmet comes off you have to leave the field for a play or something i believe you have to leave the field to have it like put back on or something like that but um if you take it off that's a penalty so yeah bill you've been invited to a bunch of pro-ams tahoe hasn't gave you a shout yet have you ever even been out to tahoe yeah back when it was just a pond they still got that that's for sure yeah no i read the mark twain i read it um yeah i've had some good i've had a nice time at tahoe but i like to swim in it yeah the golf always they those guys always seemed a little too serious me. I hear you.
That crowd seemed a little too serious. It is pretty serious.
Yeah. I played with those guys once and that was enough.
Let's get, let's touch. And I did play with my kids.
I played a, we got trapped there playing a couple of slot machines. Hey-oh.
And I got stuck on one that was the Bonanza slot machine. Okay.
And if you got two out of three, if you put in $3 and got two back, it played the Bonanza song. And it was like, hey, you feel like you're winning while you're losing a dollar at a time for, I don't know, seven, nine hours.
I don't know. I think that's the most fun I have in Tiles when everybody goes from being done with playing golf and we just jump over the casino.
What's your dumb game? What's your dumb game? Travis plays roulette. Roulette.
I fucking love it. Love roulette.
That's goddamn it. It's so stupid.
It's so fun. Jason says it's stupid.
The only time he's ever played with me, he won buku bucks. That's because you were having fun.
Well, I know how that is. It's like if you're flush and you got a lot of money on you, you go's your number you know and you got to tell everybody what's your number and i remember having like a lot of per diem going there for some goofy thing and what's your number so i had like seven people's number we were winning like all the time meanwhile i'm the only guy putting up the money so i'm losing six times and one of us is losing and it's not me it's never me i'm like so happy for you yeah i was pretty much broke in about 120 minutes and uh but other people were walking out with like big bags of pockets i love it we are supported obviously by amazon prime that's right many of you know prime for its lightning fast free shipping that's just the beginning jason Prime is a powerhouse of perks.
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you grew up in Chicago

Chi-Town baby with 8 siblings

what number are you in the order?

I was 5 of 9

5 of 9?

where there were 9 of us

boy, girl, how many brothers, how many sisters

I don't know, I knew their names

there were

6 boys

Thank you. brothers how many sisters i don't know i knew their names there were uh there were there were there were six boys and there were three girls okay that sounds like a man we had nine you guys could feel the you guys could feel the whole whole whole diamond yeah for sure did you guys you guys ever just go family versus family out on the diamond yeah we had some cousins that we had some the Collinses.
They had nine, too. Wow.
At least I think they had nine. They're not as tall as we were, so they could have had more or less.
We like to play them in basketball. There we go.
That was our game. We played a lot of sports.
We played everything. Basically, I would spend the winter, long winters there, hitting rocks with a baseball bat over the fence of the backyard oh yeah until i would hear someone go ah my neighbor getting into his car taking one right in the forehead oh shit who'd you who'd you get your sense of humor from your mother mother father uh siblings well that's well my siblings are are humorous i got some funny brothers and sisters they're all funny yeah we used to think our dad our dad was a really really tough laugh so if you could make him laugh that was like you you looked at your your brother and sister going like see that that's gonna make me laugh see that but uh oddly when when the the bunch of us that went sort of continued being funny for a living, sort of, it turned out we were all doing our mother.
That we actually, like when we went into like a silly, goofy mode, we were actually doing our mother. Oh, wow.
So she was more of a character than my dad was. My dad was, you know, he was hard to read because he was not an easy laugh.
Would you call yourself the troublemaker of the family or what?

No, I was the good one.

Good one? I was the good one, yeah.

You were the good one.

Oh, yeah.

Heck yeah.

No, I was the worst.

I was the worst.

Fucking said, you bear trapped me.

You asked me a question.

Yeah, what did your father do?

My father sold lumber.

Sold lumber.

Sold lumber.

But just when he started to make real money, he died. He died very young.
46 years old he was. So nowadays, that's really young.
Even then, I was really young. But to leave nine kids, it was a tough, tough moment.
Yeah, absolutely. He was a great man.
But then my mother sucked it up and went to work as a cement finisher so wow no no no i'm like there's no chance she worked in the mail room she got it i got you emotional and now you're now you're a puppet i do you fucking reeled me in you're a professional sorry she also had ninedies. She had nine kids.
She had nine kids. And then she went but she took a job and you know.
She was quite a strong woman. You started off in improv when you started getting into comedy? Is that accurate or should I say? That's right.
That's right. Did any of your siblings also do? Well my brother Brian was the first one to go.
Yeah. He was so bad.
Yeah, he was the first one to go. He started going to Second City.
I was about to say Second City, yeah. Taking improv class and so forth.
And then he kind of progressed. And before you knew it, he was in the show.
So I would go down there and watch him and watch he and Harold Ramis and Joe Flaherty and Volusia and all these guys. they were all ahead of me and I would just go there to hang out really.
Cause it was a sort of a safe zone for me for sure. But, uh, I got, I, it was an accident.
The first time I tried to, I tried an improv class. I was so bad.
I like walked out on the street and walked about 60 blocks South, which is probably the wrong direction for me to be going back then. It was, of a sudden i was like at 63rd and stony i'm like what am i doing here i don't i don't need i i'm now i'm now i gotta run so i felt like i was scared of the dark yeah it was that's how bad i was and that's how how disturbing it was to think you're good and not be good but then years later i got you, you know, someone, I was like kind of very poetic, underneath the clock at Marshall Fields, I stepped out and the bells are ringing at six o'clock Christmas Eve.
And there's the lady who teaches the improv. She says, you're Brian's little brother.
Yeah. Do you know how to paint? You mean like houses? Yeah, yeah.
I'll give you a scholarship if you come and paint my kitchen and so that's the story but anyway okay what yeah that's crazy yeah it's no it's it doesn't have a happy ending turns out she's one of those ladies that has like cats and everything she wears is purple yeah you know i don't know if these people exist anymore no they do they do. They definitely do.
So anyway. It's a lot of them listening to the show, actually.
Anyway. No, some of them are.
I've known more than a few. But this one had to have the kitchen painted purple.
That's wild. So you live in what they call a garden apartment, which is like below the ground level.
So all the pipes of the whole building came through her kitchen ceiling. So I had to paint all those hot pipes.
So I was purple for about a week, eight days or so. Oh, nice.
And burned, too. Nice.
And from that point on, you knew you wanted to do improv. That's crazy.
You know, I don't know if you've ever been speckled with purple paint, but it lights a fire in you.

It lights a fire and you got to keep going.

So I went to,

actually,

so in high school,

we went to second city.

I played in the jazz.

This is kind of embarrassing to say.

I played in the jazz ensemble.

We were touring different cities and one of the cities we went to was Chicago.

Went to second city.

It was awesome.

That was my first experience with improv.

I've recently been back to an improv show for the first time since then which was 2004 i went to upright citizen brigade in la and i did their ask cat show are you familiar with that where they invite like a guest who does like a monologue and then from that monologue the crew just takes off and i mean just some of the funniest. Did you do a monologue? I did a monologue.
I did a few. What was your theme? We just took questions from like the audience and then you'd go into a story from there.
I told a story about how I got lost to the county fair and mom had to try and search for us. Classic.
Just watching how people, how they could play off of each other. I was mesmerized just watching the whole show take place.
How do you, I don't know. Now that we're talking about improv, I just, I want to ask you, how do you learn to do that? Like, are there techniques? Are there things that happen behind the show where you build like a chemistry with the person? Like, it just, it seemed insane to me that they were able to make all this is going to be yet another career change for you another one first your jazz music and this is football thing this is after government podcast uh well the mayor the guys that are really good i don't consider myself a great improviser there were people that were far that are were always better than i was yeah but uh people that are good at it, and my brother Joel's very good at it, is listening to what the other person says and trying to figure out, they're giving you information.
What do you do with that information? Right. You know, bad improvisers are people that have an idea what they're going to do and they just sort of try to barrel through it.
Well, that's a one-man show. You know, it's not a team game.'s, you know, the, the dictum is yes.
And, you know, you say something to me, I agree with that. And, and I come back with that.
You never deny what someone says. You, you, you build on what they give you.
You're starting with building blocks of information. That's how it goes.
And you know, the better people can make something that's really, really magical, you know, because if you really connect to the ideas that are being shared, especially in like a group improv, like a nine person, 12 person, like they call the Herald, you know, where you could take an idea that's over that this group over here brings up and and and weave them together into something. It's an amazing, amazing experience.
I love it, man. But what is interesting about improv, it feels like they oftentimes do make great actors.
They do make great writers. Like all the people on the wall in that second city when I was there back then to see all these wonderful.
Well, they only put the good people. Let's start with that.
That's true. That's very.
There are hundreds. There are dozens that are buried in a shallow grave just the other side of North Avenue.

It feels like improv as opposed to like stand-up.

It feels like there's like a natural...

Well, I'm naturally prejudiced towards our team, you know.

Yeah.

We always feel like at Saturday Night Live,

you know, those people were sort of, most of them were kind of improvisational players, you know. Yeah.
We always feel like at Saturday Night Live, you know, those people

were sort of,

most of them were

kind of improvisational players,

you know.

And the ones that could do that

just seemed to be able to

like work together better

and most especially

because you'd write the show

on a weekly basis.

You only had a couple days

to write it.

Yeah.

Those actors that had

that kind of training

could sort of solve the puzzle of the sketch on the air almost, you know, it'd be like, you know, you could go like, hey, wait, this, what if, and you just sort of go there in the last hour or two just to make it right. You know, you could rewrite just because you were aware, you had all that, all that information, what the scene was, could be or what it's supposed to be,

and you can figure out an ending.

So that's, when you see those actors, they basically make it to better.

You know, the ones that were stand-up guys were, you know,

sort of made more like stand-up pieces, more solo pieces that were spectacular.

Right.

You know, Eddie Murphy in the hot tub or whatever.

Those guys made those kinds of performance pieces. But the ensemble pieces, and they're actually doing really great ones now.
They do some really, you know, people always give me a hard time about, oh God, the original show was so great and it's lousy now. I'm like, no, it's not.
The show that's on now, they do stuff that's just as good as anybody ever did all the time. Oh, I love it, man.
SNL is still um what do you i do before we get into your your snl career what do you don't have to talk about me all the time you guys can talk about travis did snl absolutely killed it right yeah oh yeah oh yeah i hosted uh two years ago yeah after the uh the first i saw i mean i saw some of it i record it so because because usually do something else, but I saw some of it. It was funny.
I appreciate that, man. It was an absolute blast.
You just buckle up and you just enjoy that ride, man. And like you said, the scenes, the sketches can change last minute because somebody has the brilliance of mind to either take something out or put a punchliner in, man.
And the damn producer's gotten so good. He's gotten so damn good at it.
He's just ruthless. Who's that? I forget his name.
Yeah, what's his name? What's the lead producer of that show? Yeah. He's been drawing a paycheck for 50 years.
He's on a – That was one thing. I just watched the Apple TV on their first oh yeah first ever uh show like the 90 minutes leading up to that first show with belushi kind of going crazy and uh just all the madness that happens in there and the magic that happens as well of it finally coming together and them going live man and the rest is history but uh for those snl lovers out there man make sure you check that one out um i did i really do want to know what do you what do you think it is about second city that prepares so many because it's almost like a pipeline or at least it was for snl for for quite a while well it sure was i mean now it's a now it's like a uh it's like a university of phoenix or something there's like thousands there.
They've got like a, they have like a high rise of like classes of people taking the thing. But it used to be, you know, sort of a gritty kind of, you know, practice squad, third string, second string, first string kind of thing.
Yeah. And you had to, you know, you knew who was better than you loud and clear.

You know, it was very clear who could do it and who couldn't.

And if you weren't as good as that person, you just had to just keep chewing.

Nice.

So, and that's how it was pretty much.

I mean, recently, I don't know who's on first name or about coming out of there,

but I mean, they had a great run of people that came out of there,

like when Chris Farley and those people came out of there, that was a good group.

And the original, like Belushi and, you know, myself, Gilda, Aykroyd, you know, those, those people, you know, so it comes like probably the same deal. It comes in waves, you know, but now there's so many, I don't know what to make of it, but it's, it's a great thing to learn how to do.
It's a great way to, if you can live life like that too. you talked about this i think the improv thing if you like you're bringing up that's like a team game you're working with other people and like a collaborative experience when travis was on snl that was the one thing that stood out about snl is the amount of people that make that show possible and you know you brought up lorne i didn't know what to expect from lorne going to it i didn't know that he was still like doing the whole thing in like a very active manner like even up until like right before the thing goes live right after that first rehearsal he's cutting things oh yeah and changing bits like all the people all the the makeup the the wardrobe everybody's got like their own pit crew it felt the most like a game day for football outside of that experience.
You ain't lying. Yeah, you see that when people win a championship.
They say they credit the whole organization, and it really is that way. Yeah.
And I've said this, you know, this is old news, but like when Loren got that show together, he demanded from NBC that they give him the best sound man, the best sound mixer, the best technical director, the best lighting guy, the best prop man.

And all those guys that were on that show were the best in the business at doing it.

So that when, you know, Mickey Mouse here comes up and like blows it.

And Willie, the prop man says, Billy, I was there waiting for you at the door. I had the pistol in my hand.
You didn't get there on time. And he kills you.
He's just he looks at you like you're not there yet, son. You're just not there yet.
Wow. But I also credit those people because and they were there the original shows, like your show of shows and like Milton Berle.
And they've been on the, like the biggest shows of television in the early days. And so they'd seen people go from being unknown to being famous.
Yeah. In a short amount of time.
And they saw, they'd seen how big a jerk you can become in just a mirac a miraculously short amount of time yeah and they they just you know they it was the same look like they just look at you going and you knew that somehow you'd screwed up like many people screwed up before yeah and it was sort of up to you to figure it out so they were they were incredible teachers yeah they i'm sure it's still the same yeah they made it extremely comfortable for a jabroni like me to come through and uh and have some fun uh live out one of his childhood dreams man uh in terms of the host from when you were on uh when you were working for snl who who was the most memorable or the one maybe that uh that blew you away with their ability to go from one world into the SNL hosting? There's only one that stands above all others. The man that, when they made the song, We Are the World, I don't know who it was, said, hey, the Statue of Liberty just walked in.
And it was charles oh wow holy cow nice ray charles completely buries every other entertainer i've ever met or worked with why is that in what way i'm gonna make it do what it do baby ray charles that night came on Not only did he memorize all his lines.

I don't want to say Ray Charles was not using cue cards.

I don't want to say that.

Ray Charles was not using cue cards.

Ray Charles knew all his lines cold.

Ray Charles came on and played solo.

He played with the Raylets.

He played with his septet. And he played with the Saturday Night Live Orchestra.
And he may have played with his quintet as well. And he killed and murdered every single one of them.
And you know, the end of that show, they play that song, they play the song, the saxophone's playing and you're like, hey man, I had a great week. You're up there on the stage and you're waving to people.
I did not want to stand on that stage. I had no business being on the stage with Ray Charles.
That's awesome. Wow.
That is so fucking cool, man. I'm not going to lie.
I wasn't expecting Ray, man. That's awesome.
He was the coolest, man. Well, you got the 50th season celebration coming up.
You going to go back to the old stomping grounds? Yeah, certainly. Yeah, actually, I told him i'd like to host one this year so maybe if i get organized but i think that i i think i did it two other times and when i was there so i'd like to try it one more time

it might be the last time to try it when you go back do you have like skits that you would

have in mind when i go back the guys down at the desk say uh do you have a photo id sir Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you know we that was our we only a hard time and i can't get through security i cannot get through security they're not kidding around i man. Well, hopefully we'll be able to see a host one this year.
Yeah. Let's transition to the movie career.
We talked about some of your iconic movies earlier. We just golfed, so we got to bring up Caddyshack.
You talked about being a caddy earlier. Was your character based off somebody? Like when you were on the course? Yeah.
My character originally had one small small scene in the movie and i did have one line in the movie i can't remember what it was exactly but there was another greenskeeper a scottish man but they end up liking my stuff and they kept asking me to come back down and shoot more stuff so that stuff stuff wasn't yeah my stuff wasn't in the script no no. That is fucking gold, man.
They're like, you got to get more of this guy. Well, I was having fun, you know, and I had the spirit of it.
You know, I was a caddy, too, and I'd been a greenskeeper. I'd actually been a greenskeeper as well.
So I had that thing nailed, screwed, and glued. You know, I could come in and empower those positions.
You're keeping the lawn in the back looking nice and tight? Just in case you need to take a few wedges back there? No, no, no. Mine is a waste area.
Did you realize at the time that that movie would be the icon that it ended up becoming? Even before? No, back then you were doing it to have fun. Yeah.
You didn't think about it. Gosh.
You were just having the most fun, you know, and that was a crazy, that was a bunch of really, really funny people in one place. That was a dangerous group of funny people.
You know, we lost some people on that movie. There were some people that tried to compete on that movie and just, there they go, downstream.
There they went. But that was, you know, think about who those characters were, you know.
Absolutely. Ted Knight and Rodney, Chevy and...
Chevy. So cool, man.
It was a great bunch of characters. It was really, Brian, I'm forgetting most everybody, Michael.
Yeah. But it was a, it was a nice bunch.
We talked about this out on the chorus hand earlier. Kingpin is a...
Lane Johnson and I would just rave about that movie and quote Erne McCracken. Is Erne McCracken the best movie villain of all time, potentially? Boy, he says some of the cruelest things.
I mean, just like... Talk about just a bad guy.
Oh, just a bad guy. Yeah.
Not you. Not you.
I had to change hats here. This is the caveman.
This is the official logo of the, of the design team, the, the, the builders and grinders. Yeah.
That was a cruel, the cruelest thing I ever said professionally. Um, we're doing a scene and we doing a scene we're in a coffee shop scene and i'm just playing this total creep and uh i think i'm stealing bags of sugar at the time but i look over at some women at the next table hey how are you and uh one of the ladies they were just like day players they didn They didn't have lines.
She said, I'm okay. I said, no, not you.
You. And it was just the meanest, meanest thing I could do.
And there was this silence that was so horrible. It was so horrible.
And the director fairly said, just let it go. They just let this horrible thing just sink in.
And finally, after about 99 seconds, they said, cut. And I had to, like, go get on my knees in front of this woman saying, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean that. I'm just playing a horrible person.
You're very, very beautiful. You're very beautiful.
If I didn't have to work right now, we'd leave, you know? We'd leave her. It was so horrible.
I was just like, oh, God, please say cut so I can get this apology over with. It was so bad.
I got to know how this movie came about, man. Did you like know exactly the character and like how to portray him

or did you kind of just like fall into it?

I kind of, well, they certainly,

I mean, the Fairleys wrote a really,

you know, pretty great sketch of it.

But to their credit, they kept saying,

and I can pimp them now because it worked,

but they would say, how about if you say this?

And it would be, I'd say, let me try something.

And because they would, they'd sort of throw one up there on the wall they were throwing spaghetti on the wall all the time yeah but it made you always think more like okay no it's the opposite of improv but yes and yeah yeah yeah that idea but something so it made it just really fun and it just kept getting better better. And the more they said they would suggest ridiculous things, you go, okay.
How about if you go in there? I got that area, but how about if I knock down a five iron instead? It was sort of like that. It was sort of like, yeah, I know where you're going here, but let me see what I can do.
It seems like you're a natural athlete. Were you always a bowler as well? Yeah, I'm a natural athlete.
Just a natural. We saw that today.
Actually, I'm very proud of that. All those strikes I rolled, I rolled those live.
I rolled all those strikes live. Did you nail those last three consecutive? Every single one.
You turkeyed that last frame? I rolled them live. Against Roy? That's awesome, man.
And I nailed them all. They couldn't, you know, because all they're thinking is, how many takes is this going to take?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dumb.

Every single one I rolled.

You guys are working with a professional.

Every single one I rolled, I rolled a strike.

That was my, that may have been an athletic peak for me, I gotta think.

That was pretty good.

Of course, they're editing of that movie.

What's that song?

Who was with us?

Well, Showdown.

It's like a ELO. Is it Showdown? The music of that of that yes that pull off thing at the end yeah yeah yeah the hair thing was a really good thing too that was nailed that i mean oh my yeah i send those memes in that little short video out to everyone when i'm just feeling unstoppable the turn and right there dude, it is fucking gold.
So good. When I get my special Oscar, when they wheel me out, that's the footage I want.
It's so good. Yeah, that was, and I like to say the first day at work in the makeup trailer, I'm next to Woody Harrelson.
I go like, Woody, what are you going to do with your hair? He said, I'm going with the comb over. And I said, me too.
My comb over guy was the comb over guy. Yeah.
Nice. That's so cool, man.
We both had some pretty funny comb overs in that one. That was some great hair scenes.
I had to go to, I didn't see the movie. And I only really saw, I only really saw what I shot.
I didn't see like all this other stuff that they'd done. Oh, yeah.
Like the landlord stuff with the lady landlord. Oh, my gosh.
It was so gruesome. It's so horrible.
Sade. I'm going to send you a VCR..
Munson and this stuff was so rough and so raw and I took my son Luke to it and he was 10 and I didn't see a lot of this stuff and there was stuff oh my god there was stuff there was stuff that was in the movie that when we were doing it I said no no no you can't use, you can't use that. No, no, no, just say it.

We're not going to use it. I'm like, no, no, you're not going to say that.
And they,

they cheated and they cut things together that were inappropriate. Yeah.
Yeah.

Selfishly. I thank them.
I was so stunned. We walked in silence.
I'm walking with my 10 year

old son. We walked in silence about two and a half blocks to a parking garage to get to the car.

I hadn't said a word and he said, you were good, Dad. Nice.
Did he ask any questions about the delivery total? That wasn't obviously your fault. You were good, Dad.
Classic, man. You know what the Bible says about forgiveness? It's against it.
Which time? It's against it? Okay.

You mean the eye for an eye thing or the other thing?

Speaking of people that you've worked with, we talked about, you know, your favorite on SNL movie.

Yeah, right.

Who's your favorite, I don't know, actor or person you've worked with in the film industry?

You did Space Jam with Michael Jordan.

Well, he was probably the best shooting guard that I worked. Larry, the best small forward.
Actually, Larry was the best. He was in that movie too.
He was the best small forward. So good.
That was fun. That was a very fun movie.
we played golf in between scenes it was a lot of fun i don't want to get too much into space jam but it is one of the childhood favorites of ours um and so many others man how how did how did space jam come into play for you were just like, because you were so in the sports world as

well, like your fandom and your, your ability to kind of dive into all these sports, did that play into getting the roller? So I knew, um, Ivan Reitman, who I'd made a couple of movies with already, Ghostbusters and Stripes and meatballs. He was a producer on it.
It was a Warner Brothers movie, I think and uh they had to build a basketball court for michael on the lot and they built like a serious basketball court with a weight room yeah and it was like the game like if you were an american basketball player you had to suck your way into that that game every night and michael would play after work when they were on location, on the set, in the studio. And it was like a real serious wood floor gym and the whole deal.
And that was a real, like if you, no matter what team you played for, you had to get into that game because that was who was who and who wasn't. That's so cool.
But they, I don't know, I just like to say that about nine people said, you know, Michael really wants you to be in Space Jam, which is like, I get a kick out saying this all the time. I like pimp Michael all the time, whatever I can, but Michael really wants to be in Space Jam and all you have to do is not.
That's all you got to do is not. Because it just means, you know, I bet you Mike can find my phone number.
Yeah, right. I bet you if he sets his mind to it he can find my phone number or he can find out where I live or even walk up on the street but basically I know there are people like that in the world and you'll meet them they feel like they never want to be indebted to anybody for anything.

They don't want to owe anybody anything.

So they'll have their people sort of ask something.

Have you ever noticed this?

Yes, of course.

So they'll have someone else ask for you.

Yeah.

So I knew exactly day one.

I knew exactly what was coming here.

I heard from everybody. I probably heard from like 13 different people.

And the more people, the more I enjoyed it.

Because I knew it was like, that son of a bitch is just twisting, knowing he's got to ask me himself. But it was good.
Finally he did, God bless him. Did he catch you on the golf course? Where did he find you? I don't really remember.
I don't really remember, but it was good. I was glad I was there and I contributed to that movie.
You had to have gotten in at least one of the games. Oh, no.
No. No.
I mean, I don't think I may have just only shot a basket before the game. That game was like, I mean, they were emptying prisons to get into that game.
They would never be allowed to play in the NBA that were playing in that game. There were just some wow in that game and like like the best high school players that try to show up there and they just michael just kicked their ass he just oh i love it people would come in there thinking that game and michael just murder him he was he was a killer you just you just don't have like stories or like a legend like that anymore like everything is just so social media forward forward that like stuff like that just gets posted and the story of it, the legend of it never like rides anymore.
And I just love stuff like that. Like stories of Dr.
J playing on the playground or stories of Michael Jordan having these like basketball gyms everywhere he goes so that he can stay on top of his game while he's working, man. And it was never a thing like Michael Jordan called up someone and said, hey, I'm having a basketball game.
It was the same deal. It's like Michael Jordan is having a game.
And it was not like anyone at all was invited. And you could tell that no one was invited.
You could tell that like Reggie Miller wasn't invited sort of, but he was, he had to be there because he was Reggie Miller. He's like, wait a minute, I'm the best shooter.
I got him. All these guys, it wasn't like Michael was particularly friendly towards anybody.
You know, it was like, I'm going to kill you. It was fun.
It was interesting. Like a line out the door at Warner Brothers or just NBA stars just with their gym bag.
Well, every level. I mean, like.
You said every you know like all of ucla southern cal every historic guy was there thinking that they could still play there was a grimness about it you know you see that like that dream team doc you know where oh yeah all of a sudden it gets real serious oh yeah well it was like that where you go like oh my. It wasn't exactly blood.
It wasn't exactly fighting, but it was, you know. I would assume that Michael set the tone for that, because when you watch The Last Dance and you watch the Dream Team and you hear his competitive nature, you know, you would assume that he definitely set that tone when everybody walked in that gym, that this is for, for i mean for lack of a better word this is for killers are like guys that that love to compete so much that they're gonna get you're gonna get every ounce of it tonight like yeah i feel like that that's it was like don't ever play golf with them don't ever play golf no i'm telling you all right we're gonna get to this last section you've what is this gracious it's called we gotta ask we He ask you a bunch of questions.
There's only a couple in here, but you don't have to answer. No, I haven't asked you.
It's called We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer. I didn't ask you.
Well, you can absolutely ask any questions you want. I don't know if I'm that way.
We'll find out after you ask me. All right.
You don't have to answer. You can tell us to fuck off.
Please, let me finish your question at least first. So we recently reviewed Roadhouse, the original Patrick Swayze film.

Yes.

There is a legend out there that you used to call the husband of Kelly Lynch, who plays Dr. Clay,

any time a particular scene came on with Patrick Swayze on the television.

Is this rumor true?

One of the hardest things I ever

had to do

was to call a friend.

And

at a late hour, I mean, very, very knowing and and

at a late hour

I mean very very

and not without some

some

back and forth

should I

shouldn't I

should I

shouldn't I

and as a friend

you had to do it

I did not

I did not identify myself

but I just

said

hey

I'm sorry. And as a friend, I did not identify myself, but I just said, hey, as a friend, I think you should probably turn on TBS right now.
Because that son of a bitch pat swasey

slamming it to your wife

oh my gosh

swasey may he rest in peace did a lot of wonderful things a beloved guy but Oh, my gosh.

Swayze, may he rest in peace.

He did a lot of wonderful things.

A beloved guy, but that was wrong what he did.

Dude, that's why you're the legend.

God, that's so good.

That's right. Thank you for this gold, this is wrong are we done now bill murray ladies and gentlemen bill thank you so much for coming on our show pissed i missed this one, man.
I'm sorry you weren't here for this, but.

Yeah.

You also missed out on the best energy bar I've ever been given in my life from Bill.

You got some good energy?

The best, like, in-round snack.

I think I still got the pepper.

Yeah, it's street.

You got it?

What's this thing called?

Dude, I'm telling you right now.

Klax snacks.

Yeah, it's some.

Klax snacks?

This is the mini version. Fruit bar.
Fruitcake. It's Klaxon fruitcake.
Dude, I'm telling you. And it's made in Klaxon, Georgia, about 20 miles per year.
I'm going to send you some. This is an amazing.
You need this on the sideline. People have gone to war, like in Europe, over fruitcake.
This is the greatest fruitcake ever made. And it's extraordinary.
It's so damn good. And we stopped there.
We stopped there last year, two years ago. I'm going to send you a bunch.
It's real good. They do deliver.
And these guys are golfers, too, which is even more wonderful. It's in the realm of like an energy bar on the course.
Well, it's a fruitcake, but it's the best tasting one you've ever had. I not you're not exaggerating by it at all good and it's just a burst of energy these guys are gonna be thrilled it's really good marketing but it is it's really good are the people paying for the ad space are gonna be very upset with how good this ad just was but damn it it's a damn good fruit bar so they deserve it it's it really good.
And if you have – have these in your golf bag is a great thing because it's like you get weak around 14, you know, too much beer or whatever. Son, I'll take the five iron and one of those Klaxons.
Well, hey. God damn it.
Thank you so much for joining us. Welcome.
This was awesome. Thank you, big guy.
Thank you. Thank you, Dunch.
All right. Okay, well, enjoy that Kansas City experience.
So who's going to win the Super Bowl? Come on, now. Trav thinks it's going to be Kansas City.
Who's going to be your competition? Let me put it this way. Who's going to be your competition in the Super Bowl? I think a little Eagles rematch.
They're getting hot at the right time. They are getting hot at the right time.
They're getting hot at the right time. I think it's in the AFC, you have the Chiefs and the Bills, and then in the NFC, Detroit and Philly seem to be the top.
Well, hell, I could have come up with that. You guys are supposed to be pros.
Welcome to the Lions and the Eagles. Oh, nice work, fellas.
And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. That's right.
Thank you to guest bill dude this is i think this is the outside of talking to you on a weekly basis because we obviously enjoy doing that yeah i just i can't believe that i fucking played golf today and did a podcast episode with bill murray you son of a bitch what the fuck are we how do we shit in season, don't you? Well, you keep playing football. I'll keep having all the fun out here.
By the way, never leave. Never grow up.
Stay as long as you can. It's a little dark.
Although it is pretty cool when you get to have days with Bill Murray, but I don't know that that's happening again. Alright, make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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And thank you to the 92%ers for tuning in and listening to these two dickheads all right we'll see you guys thanks guys jake you want to come in and talk about that jets game dude bill's response to the roadhouse question i'm so glad that we did that movie it was just teed up so well it was a good job intern ernie mccracken himself i wanted to just rip off quotes the entire episode but i felt like anytime you have like an actor but that he's just i didn't want to talk about himself. It's not his vibe.

Although he appreciated when you brought up some of the quotes.

Are you hanging on?

Are you still upset about that?

I said I was sorry and I meant it.

It's one of my favorite lines of that movie.

Are you still upset?

I still can't believe his mom

in the fucking late cement.

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