211: No Such Thing As A Photograph Of A River

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Speaker 3 Hello, and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast this week coming to you from Edinburgh.

Speaker 3 My name is Dan Schreiber, and I am sitting here with Anna Chacinski, Andrew Hunter Murray and James Harkin and once again we have gathered around the microphones with our four favorite facts from the last seven days and in no particular order.

Speaker 3 Here we go. Starting with fact number one and that's my fact this week.
My fact is unmarried people are more likely to fall downstairs than married people.

Speaker 3 And previously married people fall down more than both of them.

Speaker 2 It does. It's not just because they're like, it's my phone, my phone's ringing, my phone's ringing.

Speaker 3 Get it. Because, you know, you're single, you're kind of, you know.
Yeah, you're ready for the fight. I don't think we know why, do we? We don't.
So

Speaker 3 I read this in a Bill Bryson book called At Home, which is a fantastic book.

Speaker 3 And he references in the chapter which he writes about stairs that he read this one book, the only book that is a sort of academic look at staircases. And it's by John Templer of MIT.

Speaker 3 It's called The Staircase: Studies of Hazards Falls and Safe Designs. Yep, and I have also read this book.
There it is. That's it.

Speaker 3 It is the first theoretical, historical, and scientific analysis of the stair, according to the blurb.

Speaker 3 It is pretty hard-going.

Speaker 3 And actually, that was a little joke for you staircase enthusiasts out there because the going is the width of a stair.

Speaker 3 And all of my humour will be stircase-based for the rest of this show.

Speaker 3 John Temple is at home pissing himself.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's diagrams, there's, you know, loads of tables and stuff like this.

Speaker 3 Tables? What are tables doing in a book?

Speaker 3 There's like about three or four good facts in the first four pages and then the rest of it is just unbelievably tedious.

Speaker 3 Did he lead with the unmarried and married? Yeah, it's right near the start. Another thing he says is that notable missteps happen once every 2,222 stair uses.

Speaker 3 Minor accidents happen every 63,000 uses. Disabling accidents every 734,210 uses.
Hospital treatments every 3,616,667 uses. And deaths every 513,947,300 uses.
Wow.

Speaker 3 And that was one of the least boring sentences in the town.

Speaker 3 Do you know why all these accidents happen? No, why? According to him, it's because every staircase is a compromise.

Speaker 3 Between going up and going down. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you can have staircases which just for people going up, can't you? Oh no,

Speaker 3 that would be decadent, wouldn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 3 His point being that how would you get down again as well? Think of that. I'd have two in my house.
Oh,

Speaker 3 I would have a Heyman's poll or a slide.

Speaker 2 Wait, sorry, what do you mean by a compromise? Who's compromising with whom?

Speaker 3 Who's negotiating here?

Speaker 3 The perfect staircase would be a staircase that would be able to adapt itself to whether or not you were going up or down.

Speaker 3 For the length and the height and so on, they're built in one way, which plays advantage to either going up or going down. Very different skills going up and down a staircase.
Very different.

Speaker 3 And actually, in this book, there are figures about how a staircase wears if you're going up or down. So if you're going up there's a different wearing out of the stair than if you're going down.

Speaker 2 But you would have thought the wearing would be the same on all staircases unless you've just got a huge stockpile of 10,000 people at the top of the stairs at some point.

Speaker 2 At some point everyone who goes upstairs does come down the staircase.

Speaker 3 Because there are a few, like for instance if you've got stairs coming up at a dock. Say for instance, people might use it for getting off the boat, but to get on the boat they might use the pier.

Speaker 3 I see. So there are a few little things like that.
It's very interesting actually.

Speaker 3 And that is, that's the origin of that saying, isn't it? What goes up stairs must come down stairs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Women fall downstairs more often than men or admit to falling downstairs more often than men.

Speaker 2 So 38% of women compared to 28% of men said they'd fallen downstairs or upstairs or tripped on stairs in the last year.

Speaker 2 And also weirdly, this was a study that was done by the British Woodworking Federation, who are relied on for all rigorous scientific studies.

Speaker 2 And their study also found that the northeast of England, so it was a study that just covered England, the northeast is the most at risk of falling downstairs.

Speaker 2 So 48% of people there said they'd done it in the last year, whereas Yorkshire and Humber, directly next to the northeast region, had the least incidences, 26%.

Speaker 3 What's going on there? It doesn't make any sense. I don't know, mate.

Speaker 3 I saw a really cool invention the other day because a lot of people are trying to work out how to stop people if they do fall over from properly hurting themselves.

Speaker 3 So there's this new invention that they're trialing at the moment, which is like a a big belt that you wear and it senses that you've you're falling over.

Speaker 3 It's a it's a sort of like this is a movement that's not being expected. I've gone as a belt I've gone over that way.
And what it does is it inflates these massive airbags.

Speaker 3 Speaking of stair-based inventions, that sounds awesome. There are scientists at Georgia Tech who have invented some stairs which walk you back.

Speaker 3 What that doesn't make any sense. Well, I understood all those words, but...
Well,

Speaker 3 I've tried to sex it up a bit, and I don't think it's succeeded.

Speaker 3 Basically, they're stairs which, as you walk on them, they store your energy.

Speaker 3 And then, when you walk the other way, so when they when you walk down, the gravitational force of you descending stores energy in the stair, and then when you walk back up, it brings you up every step you take.

Speaker 3 That's so cute every move you make.

Speaker 3 And it's when you go back up, it's 37% easier on your knee than it would be normally. So that could be huge.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And there are shoes that have just been invented to stop people from falling over, which I think sound a bit less dramatic and embarrassing than the airbag solution because they're just shoes with a battery on the back of them and a sensor.

Speaker 2 And they sense when you're starting to have your body weight in the wrong position. And they automatically start a little motor that slides the shoes backwards.
So it stops you falling over backwards.

Speaker 3 Like you're moonwalking. Wow.

Speaker 2 Exactly, like moonwalking, but only if the option is falling over.

Speaker 3 That's amazing.

Speaker 2 And the person who invented them said, it's great because it's not as noticeable as having a stick or a Zimmer frame, which some people don't want to have because it makes them feel like they've lost some ability.

Speaker 2 And they just look like completely normal shoes, which I watched the video and they've got a large motor on the back of each shoe.

Speaker 3 Can I just ask about the staircase giving you the lift again? So presumably, if you were walking down, it matches your body weight and type for the spring it gives you on the way back up, right?

Speaker 3 So if I go down the staircase, but then my son walks up it

Speaker 3 Is he not gonna be lobbed?

Speaker 3 Because in 1948 an elephant climbed up the stairs at the Eiffel Tower. No, and then climbed back down again.
So imagine that. Are you serious? Really? Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 3 That used to be a thing that people did in the Eiffel Tower. They used to just climb up the stairs in funny ways.
There was a guy who did it in stilts. quite famously, a baker.

Speaker 3 And then when Hitler took over Paris in the war,

Speaker 3 suddenly all of the lifts stopped working. And they said, oh no, you're going to have to walk up the stairs now.
And he was like, oh, I'm not going to do it then.

Speaker 2 They were jeopardized, weren't they? The resistance cut all the lift cables in the Eiffel Tower.

Speaker 2 And there's someone who admitted to it in the end, he wrote a book and said, It was me, I cut the cables in the Eiffel Tower to make the Nazis look like idiots.

Speaker 3 But at the time, they just said, Oh, no, it's just not working. And then the day after he left, they're like, Oh, it's working again.

Speaker 3 Jeremy Corbyn can climb four flights of stairs faster than anyone else in the Labour Party.

Speaker 3 I know, that's not true. Prove me wrong.

Speaker 2 The fact that the Labour Party is wasting time figuring this out does go a long way to explain it.

Speaker 3 Why are you saying that? I don't understand. Is it a race they do or something? He's not saying it.
It's according to his deputy, Tom Watson. He just said he can climb the stairs.

Speaker 3 Tom Watson can't do it that fast, can he? No, but

Speaker 3 he didn't say it was just faster than me, Tom Watson. He said anyone else, I think in the parliamentary party, not the 500,000 strong membership.
But maybe...

Speaker 3 Anyway.

Speaker 3 Do you know the most number of stairs climbed on your head? What? Oh. So you're on your head, you're like doing a headstand,

Speaker 3 and then you have to bounce up onto the next step and you keep going up. And how many can you do in a row? What's the world record?

Speaker 3 15. 15? 36.

Speaker 3 It's 36.

Speaker 3 Do you know what the most stairs tumbled down in a stunt fall is?

Speaker 3 Oh, cool. Do you reckon it's more or less than 36? It's more.

Speaker 3 I'll say less. No, you were wrong to say that.
It was 134.

Speaker 3 Do you know what the most consecutive stairs climbed while juggling a football is? Oh, Jesus. No.
Are we to the part of the book where it stopped being interesting now?

Speaker 3 It's 4,698. Sorry, that was climbing stairs.
Juggling a football. But it's a bit of a cheat because he just went up the same 18 stairs lots of times.
Wait, juggling a football? Yeah, juggling.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 Like keep your body. Oh that.
Sorry, I thought you meant he was juggling one football with his hands.

Speaker 3 I think I could do that.

Speaker 3 I don't think you could. I don't think you could go up 4,600 steps, no matter what the football's doing.

Speaker 3 And one more, most consecutive stairs climbed while balancing a person on your head. Ah.

Speaker 3 So you're walking up, and it's like as if there's a mirror on your head because there's another person directly above you. But is that

Speaker 3 standing on their head on your head? Their head is on your head, and they're they're upside down. Right.

Speaker 3 What's the number? 90. It's impressive.
90! Yeah, yeah. More than the guy who just did it on his head.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 I would say that is much easier. They're still doing it on their feet.

Speaker 3 He has a man upside down

Speaker 3 on his head.

Speaker 2 Well, are these, because do you guys know about competitive stair climbing?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 Which is this is really a growing sport. So it's like an official sport.
There's this global circuit of competitive stair climbers.

Speaker 2 They call themselves the most difficult sport that no one's ever heard of. And it's basically they have these events all over the world where they race up really tall buildings.

Speaker 2 So the three main races are in the U.S. They're the Empire State Building, Sears Tower, and U.S.
Bank Tower.

Speaker 2 And they have this big Facebook group and they call each other step brothers and stepsisters, which is real clever. But they take it super seriously.

Speaker 2 So like the men shave their legs and shave their heads so they're more streamlined going up the stairs. They wear gloves

Speaker 3 make much of a difference though, can it? Because you're in a stairwell. There's not going to be that much air resistance.
I guess some. Yeah.
There's still air, isn't there? There's still air.

Speaker 2 Although one thing they say is that the air in stairwells is actually quite bad. So you get this really bad smoker's hacking cough as you're going up because the air is really dry.

Speaker 2 So they recommend that you suck on a throat sweet or a lozenge as you're running up, which I would have thought is a massive choking hazard as you're sprinting upstairs.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You must be absolutely exhausted by the time you get to the top. It's really

Speaker 3 a lot of spots, though, actually. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then at the end of this, you've got to climb on top of another set of stairs to go to the podium.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you think some people kind of cheat and at the end they pretend they've come second and then they race to the top one of the podium at the last minute?

Speaker 3 Corbin?

Speaker 3 We need to move on to our next fact very soon. You guys got anything before we do? This is massively off topic.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Just I was reading about going upstairs two at a time and there's a Guardian notes and. That's quite on topic, actually.
Just you wait.

Speaker 3 There's a Guardian notes and queries, you know, where they get questions from the public, and they're really interesting questions. And one of them was, is taking the stairs two at a time good for us?

Speaker 3 And I looked up a few other notes and queries things.

Speaker 3 One of them is, is it actually possible to take a photograph of a river? Because it moves. So, you know, what have you photographed? Right?

Speaker 3 That's genius. It's genius.
That's not genius.

Speaker 3 That bit of water is never there again. But that's true of time.
Like, if I take a photo of you now, then time has moved on and you're going to be older than you are.

Speaker 3 That's one of the most popular answers, actually.

Speaker 3 A couple more. Is it okay to do the crossword in the newspaper for cafe customers? Is it weird to be talking to myself so much?

Speaker 3 And how many layers of paint would I need to apply to make opposite walls touch?

Speaker 3 I think the last layer is gonna be quite hard to do isn't it?

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Speaker 3 All right, let's move on to our next fact. Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is James.
Okay, my fact this week is that there's a tanning salon in St. Andrews called Suntan Drews.

Speaker 3 Now don't get too excited, guys.

Speaker 3 Because when I say there's,

Speaker 3 it's T-H-E-R-E apostrophe S and it's short for there was

Speaker 3 because I checked Google Earth today and it's not there anymore. Wow.
It's now a tanning salon called Abbotatan.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 3 I don't get it. Abeta Tan? Abetatan? Oh, a better tan.
A better tan, yeah, Beta Tan, actually. It's still not great, though, is it? No.
No, it's no suntan drews. No, which is genius.
It is.

Speaker 3 But this is just the fact, this was told to me by our colleague Anne Miller, who used to live up here, used to live in St. Andrews.
And I just think it's awesome.

Speaker 3 And I thought we could talk about maybe suntans and tanning salons and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 We should. Although, I think we should say for Anne Miller's sake, I don't think she's ever been in a tanning salon.
I don't want people to get the impression that she was on the sun bed every day.

Speaker 3 She's always got an eye for a pun, hasn't she?

Speaker 2 She's got an eye for a pun. She's been in the punning salon.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's a cool pun one in Edinburgh, and maybe you guys will know if this still exists.

Speaker 3 But so there's a property shop, and it's called the property shop, and right next to it, someone set up a cafe called the proper tea shop. And so that just.

Speaker 2 It's the same company. It's in Stockbridge, isn't it? It's the same.
So it was estate agents, and it was the same guy said, let's have a cafe. Oh, really?

Speaker 3 As half of our thing. Okay, cool.
On suntans,

Speaker 3 I found out that... So obviously getting a suntan is bad for you in lots of ways.

Speaker 3 And there's no way of getting a tan without doing damage to the skin, as in the protection that you get in future is the damage that you do.

Speaker 3 Except that there is a team at Massachusetts General Hospital, and they have invented a drug which you can take, which will give you a suntan with no sun.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 3 And this is amazing. It produces melanin, which is the thing that protects you from skin cancer.
And it could provide the elixir of tanning

Speaker 3 a redhead tan.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, you could have because people with red hair, they have a genetic mutation which disrupts the process and makes it very hard for people with red hair to tan. This could create the Holy Grail.

Speaker 3 That's very cool.

Speaker 2 Do you know? Because it is bad for you, and there's been a lot of publicity now recently about it. You have to get your fingerprints checked in a lot of tanning salons.

Speaker 2 So, like the tanning salon, the tanning shop, which has a lot of branches over the UK, you're fingerprinted. And if you've come in again before that day, they don't let you in.

Speaker 3 Oh, really? Wow. Yeah, that's quite tanning salons and airports.
But actually, people didn't really care about

Speaker 3 suntans, did they, for ages and ages and ages? Because basically, having a suntan meant that you were poor and you worked outside, you were a labourer.

Speaker 3 And so it was always thought that if you had light skin, it was better. But then Coco Chanel accidentally got tanned when she went on a Mediterranean cruise in 1923.

Speaker 3 And suddenly, always everyone thought this is the thing that we all need to have now. So it's quite a relatively new thing.

Speaker 2 thing yeah you know when suntans got popular uh after the kogo channel incident then obviously a lot of uh kind of merchandise popped up around them and popular science wrote an article about all the weird suntanning technologies that have been invented since kind of the 1920s 1930s and there was some crazy stuff people were doing so in 1938 uh it wrote about a rotating suntub which is basically a tent that you brought to the beach and it had like huge wooden kind of structure that you had to bring to the beach and you erected it and it followed the sun's movements.

Speaker 2 So you lay inside it and you had a little steering wheel. And so you could steer the tent to point you towards the sun.

Speaker 3 That's a really good idea, as well. That's great.
That's incredible. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you're in the wooden structure. Yeah.
But there's a gap of sunlight for your body. Exactly.
But are you kind of steering it towards the sun or does it do it automatically?

Speaker 2 You have to steer.

Speaker 3 But you've got to do something. Otherwise, it's just boring.

Speaker 3 Fair enough. You can get bacon-smelling sunscreen.
Why would you want that? Well, because lots of people like bacon. Yeah.

Speaker 3 According to the website of this thing, science has shown us that 10 out of 10 people prefer the smell of bacon to coconut. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Can't argue with science, Andy.

Speaker 3 10 out of 10, including

Speaker 3 vegetarians and vegans. The smell, the smell of bacon.

Speaker 2 Is this another study done by one of Jeremy Corbyn's cabinet?

Speaker 3 It's very questionable. Last year, KFC sold sunscreen which smelled of KFC.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It would protect your skin while the real fried chicken scent leaves you smelling delicious.

Speaker 3 They had 3,000 tubes and everyone was disappointed because they sold out in two hours.

Speaker 3 But luckily, they learned the lesson and that was the last time KFC ever ran out of anything ever again.

Speaker 3 I've got a

Speaker 3 speaking of artificial tanning, sometimes people can overdo it. And I just wanted to share this headline from the mail.

Speaker 3 A young mother claims she was housebound for a week after a fake tan fail left her looking like she'd bathed in chocolate spread with pals even mistaking her for a brown leather sofa

Speaker 3 That is I mean what like guys stop sitting on me what are you doing?

Speaker 3 Did it change her whole body shape? I don't know.

Speaker 3 It's interesting the um the methods that uh people used to go about to try and get a tan back in the day and I read about one which I think people still occasionally try which is to use tea bags so

Speaker 3 you would what you do would just put a lot of tea bags into a hot bath and you would get in the bath and you would allow that to to cook you into a water.

Speaker 3 Have you put the milk in first? That's a big problem.

Speaker 3 They didn't say in the

Speaker 3 article. I heard that that was done in the war where

Speaker 3 women wanted a tan, but obviously there's no way of getting a tan because you can't go on holiday in Greece anymore. Well the big problem that people because of the Nazis.

Speaker 2 I knew I hated those guys

Speaker 3 but there are the thing I read is that for people who try it these days when they do it in a bath they come across the same problem which is how do you tan your face because that's above water and in order to tan it you need to be underwater for a long time so a bunch of people bought snorkels which uh they tried

Speaker 3 but that that was just weird then when

Speaker 3 i think once you've got as far as getting in a bath with a load of tea bags

Speaker 3 looking weird with a snorkel is at least yellow. I think there's always a point where you go, no, too far.
This is.

Speaker 3 And so what, did they work anything out in the end or they just people just don't do it anymore? Well, the person in the article had a very white head and regretted the whole experience. But yeah,

Speaker 3 you then just do it outside of the bath. You just leave tea bags all over yourself.

Speaker 3 Of course.

Speaker 3 It's a thing.

Speaker 2 Well, they also used to have milk spray because people thought that milk could tan you better and stop you from burning but give you a really nice tan and there were motorized milk sprayers that like groups of mainly women in the 1930s would carry to wherever they wanted to tan on holiday and like it was this big engine and then you stood in front of it and it just showered you with milk and then you got a nice even tan.

Speaker 2 I like this. The Daily Mail did spoke to some people about how bad it is that Brits love to get really burnt.

Speaker 2 And it found that A 10 million British people said that they burned every time they went on holiday, which is a large proportion of the population.

Speaker 2 And the person the male interviewed to talk about this was a spokesman for Superdrug, a chemist, and he was called Martin Crisp.

Speaker 3 We're going to have to move on to our next hack soon. There's a planet called Kepler-13AB where it rains sun cream.
What? What brand?

Speaker 3 It's kind of a titanium oxide precipitation, but it only falls on the dark side of the planet, so it's completely useless.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 Just quickly, I was looking up some beauty salon stuff, you know, tanning salons. Do you guys know about snail salons?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 Like, so snail slime is the new thing in beauty treatments. It's really popular in places like Thailand and Japan.
In Italy, it's popular.

Speaker 2 And people who are running snail farms, because snails are obviously eaten all over the world, are diversifying their farms and they hand select a few snails on the farm to be transferred to the salon.

Speaker 2 And then you book a a session in the salon as a woman you lie down and you get a few snails on your face just crawling all over it and the claim is that it heals like your acne or scars or it slows down aging i've actually tried this have you really good the service is unbelievably slow

Speaker 3 all right let's move on let's move on to our next fact it's time for fact number three and that is andy my fact is that during the second world war the u.m considered making all american shoes deliberately ugly.

Speaker 3 So, this is a thing to do with rationing. They were very low on rubber, very low on leather.
And they thought, well, how are we going to do this? Eventually, they decided to introduce shoe rationing.

Speaker 3 They said everybody can only have three pairs of shoes a year. And if you wanted an extra pair of shoes, you had to fill in a really long, complicated form saying why you want more shoes.

Speaker 3 But you could only, as a manufacturer, make four colors, and you could only have two different tones on a shoe.

Speaker 3 So rationing was introduced, but the alternative plan that they did consider, I think, before rejecting it was: let's just make shoes really, really horrible. So people don't want to buy them.

Speaker 3 Exactly. And the four colours that they were allowed were black-white, army-russet, and town brown.

Speaker 3 Towel. Town, town.

Speaker 3 Like a place where people live. Oh, tower.
No, town, town. Town.

Speaker 3 Town.

Speaker 3 You know, where people live in a tower.

Speaker 3 Sorry, I had towel, like the thing you rub yourself with. No, town.
Town. Town.

Speaker 3 Town. Town, yeah.
Like a city without a cathedral. Yes, right.

Speaker 3 Ah. Oh, why didn't you say that?

Speaker 3 So do you say that two-tone colours on shoes weren't allowed? That was the maximum.

Speaker 3 You couldn't have three-tone shoes. Really? I saw that you could only have single-tone, you couldn't have double-tone.

Speaker 3 Maybe wrong. You weren't allowed boots taller than 10 inches, and you weren't allowed heels taller than 2 5 8 inches.
And you weren't allowed fancy tongues.

Speaker 3 You also.

Speaker 3 Tongues. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Tongue? Sorry.

Speaker 3 Like a tongue.

Speaker 3 Tongue, yeah. Sorry, it's my accent.
I know I do say the word tongue wrong, but it's the thing inside your mouth that you lick stuff with.

Speaker 3 I don't want to have to say this forever now, but I say from now on.

Speaker 3 Right now, it's a word that means an object.

Speaker 2 But when you say tongues, you are referring to the thing on your shoes.

Speaker 3 Right. You're not saying you're not allowed elaborate tongues in your mouth that was the thing they were rationed during the second world war fancy tongues

Speaker 3 There was another thing where you could get a cheaper version of a shoe that would cost you less of your your ration coupons your clothing coupons that you had

Speaker 3 and it was a shoe that was designed with a wooden sole so

Speaker 3 the problem with that is you get no bend as you're lifting up your foot like any any shoe that anyone is wearing in this room has and so you would have to reinvent the way of of how you walk with your shoe to avoid.

Speaker 3 And the moment you're kind of waddling left and right, is that how they did it?

Speaker 3 I mean, that's I'm putting myself into the place of the person with the shoe, and that's how I feel.

Speaker 3 Shoes don't bend, is that the problem? Yeah, because it's a wooden, it's a wooden bottom.

Speaker 2 It's got a clog. I mean, we're familiar with clogs.

Speaker 3 Like a clog. Thank you, Anna.
Yeah. But people with clogs get around okay, don't they? Nope.

Speaker 3 What they then had to do is, in order to make that a bit more of a useful shoe, they then cut a bit and they put a hinge in so that you could then walk and the hinge would allow you the bend.

Speaker 3 The problem is, is that while you were walking, the hinge would collect stones and so you would be stuck in the hinge position

Speaker 3 in a sort of leaning forward position.

Speaker 3 Like the Michael Jackson lean. Yeah, because he invented shoes, didn't he, that let him do that lean? He did.
Didn't he own the patent for those shoes? Yeah. And they were, they kind of,

Speaker 3 I think you're allowed to say, they kind of, there was a bit in the stage and he kind of slotted them into the stage so that he could lean right forward. He owned the patent for that thing.

Speaker 3 Which is weird, because that's not really inventing a shoe. That's inventing a strap on the floor of a stage to draw a shoe into.

Speaker 3 I thought, though, it had weights in it as well. I thought that it literally,

Speaker 3 you moved in a certain way, it kicked in a weight into function so that when you leant forward, that would balance you as well. Yeah, might be.
I don't.

Speaker 3 I've not followed the Michael Jackson shoe patent paper close enough.

Speaker 2 Do you know you can get shoes for your shoes now?

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 2 This has been shown off at, I think, Paris Men's Fashion Week in the last couple of months. Is shoes for your shoes have been designed.

Speaker 2 They've been designed by a Chinese fashion designer called San Kuan's. And it's sneakers that then have kind of an outer layer, which is a sandal, and you can velcro the sandal on and off.

Speaker 2 And it's so that, you know, if you're going out on a dirty street and you've got new shoes, you don't have to get the shoes dirty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you just put your outer shoes, they're going to get get dirty yeah that's true the person did comment he said we haven't got to the triple layer stage yet but who knows what the future holds well i could tell you what it holds a fourth layer

Speaker 3 god it's never-ending well so that's a big thing in japan isn't it so in japan it's very impolite to wear your shoes into someone's house everyone takes off their shoes as soon as you get to a someone's house or a restaurant or whatever and they give you a pair of slippers and it's very nice and you walk around the restaurant in the slippers and it's great except that when you go to the loo in the restaurant, they have to take you out of your normal slippers and put you in special toilet slippers.

Speaker 3 And there's a real risk of social embarrassment that once you've been to the toilet, you then forget to take off your toilet slippers

Speaker 3 because they're very different, they look very different. So, one writer said he walked back into a fancy restaurant wearing a pair of bright yellow slippers with a duck having a poo on the toes,

Speaker 3 and that was the design.

Speaker 3 And that was a picture of a duck having a poo on the cell, yeah, it was,

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 In 13th century Italy,

Speaker 3 so do you know my favourite fact about shoes? I've said it loads of times. And that is in the 14th century, it was made explicitly illegal in France to make shoes that were shaped like penises.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 I found out quite recently that

Speaker 3 Queen Mary made it illegal to make shoes shaped like vaginas.

Speaker 2 No way! Oh my god, your two favorite facts can get married.

Speaker 3 That's so nice.

Speaker 2 Or at least have sex with each other.

Speaker 3 So this all began in 13th century Italy, and there was a thing, it was the cult of the Virgin Mary, and basically everyone...

Speaker 3 What better way to pay tribute to the Virgin Mary?

Speaker 3 Well, it wasn't like the Catholic Church hated it, basically. So it was like a cult.
It wasn't like it wasn't...

Speaker 3 just a thing everyone liked the virgin mary it was a culty thing and they suddenly became really um paid a lot of attention to the form of the perfect female body, which was supposed to be what the Virgin Mary had.

Speaker 3 And so they invented these shoes, and they were called duck's bill shoes. They were really wide.

Speaker 3 They were covered, they were heavily padded, they were covered in hair-like material, and they put slits in them. And you wore pink hosiery, and as you walked, it was supposed to look like a vagina.

Speaker 3 Right. Wow.

Speaker 3 That is amazing. And this was high fashion in in 13th century Italy.
No. And then when Queen Mary came to the crown in Britain, she wanted to curry favour with the Pope, and so she banned them.

Speaker 3 It was supposed to look like a vagina. Yep.

Speaker 3 Why?

Speaker 3 It was a hairy shoe that had a little slit, which

Speaker 3 looked pink sometimes. So, hang on.
Were there.

Speaker 3 Were the shoes? It's just anatomy, guys. Yeah, no, sure.
But were the- So were the penis shoes a response to the vagina shoes, people saying

Speaker 3 sort of as a prank, you know, like you know. No, no, no.
My understanding is it's a complete coincidence that these two things. Complete coincidence.
I believe so. That's amazing.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 The gender war was fought in a very different way in the Middle Ages.

Speaker 3 Some other World War II shoes that I found is there's a shoe that they were sort of invented to trick the enemy. So the shoe would leave,

Speaker 3 the footprint of the shoe would leave a barefoot footprint.

Speaker 3 So it looked as if one of the locals had been in the area as opposed to a soldier who had a big boot. So on the bottom of the boot was just the shape of a foot.

Speaker 3 But locals wore shoes.

Speaker 3 This was Southeast Asia. Okay, I should have said the place.

Speaker 3 Did they make the footprints in the opposite direction to where you were walking? That would be clever. That would be very clever, yeah.

Speaker 3 We've seen before, some people did that. Supposedly, Australian outlaws put their horses'

Speaker 3 shoes on backwards. You're right.
So you can think, oh, Ned Kelly's been through this way. Or is actually, Ned Kelly had been through this way, but he was heading the other way.

Speaker 3 But this is also in Bhutan, they say that Yetis have the ability to take their foot off and put it on that way round.

Speaker 3 That's an actual Yeti fact.

Speaker 3 I do know a fact about animals in shoes.

Speaker 3 This is a few years ago. Scientists put boots onto dung beetles to find out how they cope with heat.
This is so cool.

Speaker 3 So, dung beetles, they find a ball of poo and they roll it around.

Speaker 3 And every so often, when it gets to the really hot bit of the day, they climb up on top of the ball of poo and then they rest there for a bit.

Speaker 3 And scientists wondered, is that because it's really hot on the sandy desert where they're walking around?

Speaker 3 So, if you put boots on a dung beetle, you will theoretically find out whether

Speaker 3 that's the reason.

Speaker 3 And, and, um, and the scientists put, I think it was little silicon shoes on the dung beetles, and they said afterwards, turns out it's very, very, very difficult to

Speaker 3 shoe a dung beetle.

Speaker 3 But they did, they managed it, they got the boots on them, and it turns out, yes.

Speaker 3 When you have boots on as a dung beetle, you stop much less to climb onto your ball. So that is why

Speaker 3 it could be that they don't want to get on their dung in case they get shit on the shoes. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 They're actually working on a set of new outer shoes for the Dung Beatles inner shoe.

Speaker 3 I read that in Palau there's a tradition of

Speaker 3 when people go into the reef and they're going fishing and so on, what they do is they take

Speaker 3 sea cucumbers and they squeeze the internals of the sea cucumber out completely so the guts and everything go out and then they wear the rubbery shell on the reef so they don't cut their feet when they're in the the reefs.

Speaker 3 Improvised nature shoes.

Speaker 2 Why not just like put some wetsuit wetsuit feet on before you start diving?

Speaker 3 No, this is in this is in Palau where um they don't have

Speaker 3 diet. Yeah they're just fishing and so on and so on.
The sea cucumber can eviscerate its organs. That's the thing that they do.
But they stay alive after they do that. So

Speaker 3 this feels a bit

Speaker 3 alive while you're wearing them. What?

Speaker 3 Well they can stay alive'cause they gr regrow them and th what they do is they kind of send out their organs and then hopefully a like the fish eats the organs and they can swim away. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 can you imagine at the end of the day being a sea cucumber going, you're not going to believe what happened to me today?

Speaker 3 But also the anus of the sea cucumber which is where you're putting your foot

Speaker 3 is they have fish living in those anuses so you might get fish in your feet as well.

Speaker 3 That's all right. You've caught a bit of the meal already there.

Speaker 3 I think if you've got your foot in a sea cucumber's anus, the fact that there's another fish present there adds very little to the overall horror of the situation.

Speaker 3 I could do it like, you know, in shopping centers where the fish eat your death.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 It's exfoliating as well as being protective.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 I've I've had that once and all I could think while I was having it was reincarnation and just looking at the going, What the fuck did you do in your last life that you have come back to eat my feet?

Speaker 2 This is I had it once and I think I've told you guys this, but I had it once in Cambodia and they had to ask me to take my feet out of the pond because you put your feet in with like five other people and my feet are so disgusting that they they were all coming to my feet, and

Speaker 3 no one else was getting their money's worth.

Speaker 2 That's a real, real, actually, low point,

Speaker 3 pride-wise, for me.

Speaker 3 Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is Chacinski.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my fact this week is that the etiquette experts, De Bretts, run classes that teach five-year-olds to have strong handshakes and navigate dinner parties.

Speaker 2 and this is so I don't know how many people know about De Brett's but they it's basically a sort of guide to being a posh person I guess and they started publishing their etiquette guides in the 1700s and they still go on today and it's kind of teaching people how to perform well socially and they recently started doing these classes which are called signet schools and it's for it's meant to be for six to twelve year olds I think but actually there's been such a lot of demand that they're letting in five year olds And yeah, they teach them to do things like shake hands well and perform well at a dinner party and talk to grown-ups.

Speaker 2 And it's to teach children of primary school age, of early primary school age, social ease and confidence, and charisma and charm to guarantee that they are both invited back to the next play date and successful in interviews.

Speaker 3 In interviews? Who's interviewing a five-year-old?

Speaker 3 You know, businesses are getting really desperate. Well, I'll just open another 19th-century factory that I need

Speaker 2 Like school interviews, I guess.

Speaker 3 Yeah. All right.
I guess there was

Speaker 3 a report by one of the mothers who'd sent her a child on this. And at the very end of the piece, she wrote about it.
She gave her review of the whole experience.

Speaker 3 She said, the pleases and thank yous trip off the tongue. And despite the occasional poop joke and a little light nose picking, he's become really quite charming.

Speaker 2 But you do pay for it. So I think it starts at about £650 for two hours to send your five-year-old to this.
But yeah, one woman who wrote a blog said...

Speaker 3 You have to have a really strong handshake at the end of that.

Speaker 3 I want a proper bone crusher.

Speaker 2 And that's just the start. So the woman who wrote the blog paid $780 for two hours to get her handshaking son back.

Speaker 3 They saw her coming, didn't they? The normal price is £650. To you, £780.

Speaker 3 You know, De Brett's, De Brett's offer advice on eating bananas.

Speaker 3 Do you? Turns out, I think we're all doing it wrong, according according to the Brez.

Speaker 3 Apparently if you're seated at the table, the correct way to eat a banana is to peel it, then use a fork to cut to cut the flesh into bite-sized pieces.

Speaker 3 In other more informal situations, we recommend peeling bit by bit and breaking bite-sized bits of the banana off. That's not the way to do it, is it?

Speaker 3 Do you always see on the internet that you're supposed to eat bananas upside down, aren't you? Because that's the way that monkeys do it or something like that.

Speaker 3 I always break it I always open it in the middle.

Speaker 3 Do you?

Speaker 3 I actually do do that. I open it in the middle and then take the banana out and then eat it without the skin.
Right. You're a psychopath.
I think so.

Speaker 3 Hang on. Do you mean you snap it into something? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 You get the banana and you kind of make a little hole in the middle of it and then you open it up and then you pull the banana out and you eat it.

Speaker 3 I'm sure there are other people who eat banana. And then you reattach the skid to make it look like a whole banana.
You put it back on the shelf and then you leave the supermarket.

Speaker 2 There's actually, De Brett's has a whole section on difficult foods.

Speaker 2 If you go to the website and it lists all the difficult foods to eat, and so one example is grapes, which I always thought were quite an easy food, but a grape show up.

Speaker 2 No, they're very strict. They say don't pick individual grapes from a bunch.

Speaker 2 You have to use, you have to remove a small bunch from the big bunch and then eat from that using either your fingers or grape scissors.

Speaker 3 Grape scissors. I've seen those.
I've been to a cutlery collecting man's house.

Speaker 3 Wow. He showed me his grape scissors.
They're really.

Speaker 3 How do they differ from normal scissors? They do not.

Speaker 3 Are they quite small?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're not massive shears. You know, they're small.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow. I struggled anyway with my stalk.

Speaker 2 That's not true. Did he have...
Because De Brett also says that if you're eating oranges, then if it's...

Speaker 2 semi-difficult to peel, you should cut it in half and eat it with a teaspoon, which I'd never considered doing at all.

Speaker 3 I wonder if there's a lot of things. I don't think anyone does any of this stuff, do they, really? No.

Speaker 3 I have eaten a banana with a knife and fork once, and it was actually very nice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but that wasn't because of the way you were eating it, though.

Speaker 3 But it would have tasted the same if you'd have done my psychopath play of eating a banana. No, I'll tell you what, it made me pace myself and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 Was there a special reason? I rarely do that with a banana. Was there a special reason that you decided to try that? Yeah, it was really odd.
I was on British Airways coming back from New York, and

Speaker 3 they came and they put a banana down and a knife and fork and they walked away.

Speaker 3 so I thought, I'd better challenge, accept it.

Speaker 3 So De Brett's also do, they've got some rules for polite social networking.

Speaker 3 So one they say is, this is I'm guessing for Facebook, think before you poke. That's their first suggestion.

Speaker 3 Always wait 24 hours before accepting or removing someone as a friend. The delay will help you gather your thoughts, which is just great philosophy, generally, isn't it?

Speaker 3 750 quid for that one.

Speaker 3 No, that actually is the price. What? 750 quid, and it's for 13 to 16-year-olds.

Speaker 2 No way. We're just giving it away for free right now.
Guys, you have got lucky. This is an absolute bargain.

Speaker 3 The guy who started De Brett's was called John De Brett, and he began his career with De Brett's Peerage, which was a book about lords and ladies and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 But he got into a huge argument with the guy who actually wrote it, and he went bankrupt twice. And he only managed to survive thanks to taking a huge amount of money from his wife.
Really?

Speaker 3 Which they don't teach you that in De Brett's, do they? They do not.

Speaker 3 It's encouraged.

Speaker 2 They're very strong on peerage, though.

Speaker 2 And actually, one of their most frequently asked questions, one of the most frequent questions that's written into De Brett's is like how to address the royal family, as if really anyone's coming up against them personally.

Speaker 2 But they've got very detailed instructions as to how you address them.

Speaker 2 And apparently, if you're writing to, so if you're writing to the Queen, then you have to open your letter with, May it please your majesty, and then you have to begin the next sentence with, with my humble duty.

Speaker 2 But then if you're writing to other members, it tells you all the initials that have to come after everyone's name.

Speaker 2 So let's say you're writing the Prince of Wales, if you're writing to Prince Charles, you have to say on the envelope to his/slash/her Royal Highness,

Speaker 2 and then on a new line, you say, for example, the Prince of Wales, and then these are the initials after his name:

Speaker 2 K T G C B O M A K C D Q S O P C

Speaker 2 That's all the things he is. It's so great.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 G C B is he's a great master and principal knight of the most honourable order of the bath.

Speaker 2 And that's about how they used to bathe knights. So when you were knighted in medieval times, you had a bath, first thing you did.

Speaker 2 And then if you're a great master of the most honourable order of the bath, it's about bathing when you become a knight.

Speaker 3 Wow. Isn't that cool? That's very cool.
Yeah. He's the only great master.
Good for him.

Speaker 3 I was looking up general etiquette things.

Speaker 3 There's a book by an author called Henry Hitchings, and it's called Sorry, and it's about English people and their manners.

Speaker 3 And he just lists advice from throughout the ages because etiquette varies, obviously, depending on your society.

Speaker 3 So, for example, in the 15th century, the Duke of Gloucester's usher advised that one should not scratch one's cod piece in public.

Speaker 3 Unassailable.

Speaker 3 Erasmus, the medieval writer, advised that one should cough to disguise a fart.

Speaker 3 Erasmus, actually, that book that he wrote, it was about children's etiquette, wasn't it? And it was the best-selling book in all of England in the 16th century, apart from the Bible.

Speaker 3 And some of the other things he said was, Do not be afraid of vomiting. It is not vomiting, but holding the vomit in your throat that is foul.

Speaker 2 I disagree strongly with that, actually.

Speaker 3 If you cannot swallow a piece of food, turn around discreetly and throw it somewhere.

Speaker 3 Better don't teach that with your 650 quid cause either.

Speaker 2 Actually, weirdly, Debrett says the opposite. So how times have changed? They say at dinner party, when encountering an unexpected piece of gristle or something that may be chewed to no avail,

Speaker 2 it is polite to be brave and try and swallow it anyway.

Speaker 3 Children tro call things. Well, you know, you've got to suffer for etiquette.
I'd love to see the difference between Erasmus and the Brett's. That would be really awesome.

Speaker 3 Another one, do not move back and forth on your chair. Whoever does that gives the impression of constantly breaking or trying to break wind.

Speaker 3 Well, James.

Speaker 3 I think.

Speaker 3 Hey, we need to wrap up very soon.

Speaker 3 You guys got anything before we do? In Victorian times, women were advised advised to pinch their fingers so the ends would be nice and pointy.

Speaker 3 Were their fingers made out of plasticine?

Speaker 3 It was just a thing. You were meant to have nice, pointy ends to your fingers, nice and tapering, not sort of flat, cut-off fingers.

Speaker 3 And one writer said that if your fingers are bad, you've got bad fingers, then just pinch them lots of times all the time.

Speaker 3 And women were advised, and this is a thing that happens today, I believe, to fill old gloves with cream and then put on the old gloves full of cream and then you go to bed at night.

Speaker 3 And that's the thing that still happens. No, it doesn't happen.
No, does anyone hear? Someone said yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, see, all women's voices. This is a conspiracy that's kept from men.
No men know about this. Guys,

Speaker 3 what kind of cream is it? I think just any

Speaker 3 double cream.

Speaker 3 This is the thing.

Speaker 3 I told my girlfriend about this and she said, Andy, we all do this all the time. You've never paid any attention to anything.

Speaker 3 Why do you think a bed is full of cream every morning?

Speaker 3 I've never heard of it but I'd be so creeped out if my partner was wearing gloves in bed. It's so weird.

Speaker 3 I think they've just done a murder or something.

Speaker 3 That is quite something isn't it? But then you're just going to have nice hands but what about the rest of your body? You should really be wearing a full bodysuit. Yes.

Speaker 3 And covering it all in cream with a snorkel to keep you breathing.

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 3 that is it. That is all of our facts.
Thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 3 If you would like to get in contact with any of us about the things that we have said over the course of this podcast, we can be found on our Twitter accounts. I'm on at Schreiberland.
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Yep.

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Speaker 3 We have everything up there from tickets for upcoming tour dates. We have our book link and all previous episodes that we've ever done.

Speaker 3 And also, just quickly, we asked you guys in this audience tonight to send us in your favorite fact. We've picked a winner, and the winner is going to get a copy of our cassette.

Speaker 3 So we have the fact here.

Speaker 3 The fact is from Douglas Wood, and the fact is this.

Speaker 3 At the first Robot Olympics held in 1990 in Glasgow, the English competitor was disqualified from the climbing event because of inappropriate behavior in front of children.

Speaker 3 It tried to mount the Russian robot.

Speaker 3 So, we're going to be out in the back.

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That's all from us. Thank you so much.
We'll be back again next week with another episode. We'll see you again.
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