An Intoxicating Share & Tell with Katie Nolan & Alcohol Expert Jason Wilson

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everyone goes home happy again the number is 513-85 pablo seriously please do give us a call it is how we recently got this

hey pablo took them deep and broken

every uh

seems like every

uh army now is trying to swing some version of their own hooch

And initially, I'm thinking, man, this stuff must be terrible.

But then again, who is

tequila ain't that patent

so my question is should i be annoyed or excited when i see james harden's face on a bottle like the bottle show

all right let me know thanks man

and that's a great question thank you to zeke for asking us should i be annoyed or excited when i see yet another athlete with their own signature alcohol brand okay so what i know about uh wine and tequila especially is that they have basically replaced the candy bar as the product that a pro athlete is most likely to lend their name, image, and likeness to in 2024.

I remember at one point in the early 90s, my parents went on a work trip to Detroit, and what they brought home for me was an Isaiah Thomas candy bar.

Yes, a chocolate bar, a real thing that existed for human consumption, and it's a very weird collector's item in retrospect.

But now, what's happening is that a guy like James Harden live streams from China and he sells out 10,000 bottles of his signature wine in apparently like five seconds.

The reason they sold out

all of the

10,000 bonus.

10,000 bottles.

10,000 bottles.

10,000 bottles.

Yeah.

But as for what Zeke, our Zeke,

wanted to know, to answer that question honestly and journalistically, I feel like what I needed to find out was something I did not know, which is whether any of this athlete alcohol is actually any good

as, you know, a drink.

And so today's episode of Share and Tell called for some outside counsel.

And it's also why, by the end of this episode, which you can watch or listen to,

everything does get

kind of blurry.

I'm afraid of what we're doing here today because of Zeke from Brooklyn.

I have not drank what we're about to drink ever at all.

And I brought experts to help.

So I want to start to my right, Jason Wilson.

You have a resume that involves...

Praise from the New York Times for writing the best wine book of the year twice.

Wow.

God Forsaken Grapes, 2018.

The Cider Revival 2019.

Also, he wrote a book called Booze Hound, which was praised by Anthony Bourdain himself as quote, superbly informative, entertaining, and deeply subversive.

Write a newsletter, everyday drinking.

Katie Nolan, this is the resume that you can be

senior correspondent for the new wine review.

He's one for the Washington Post, New York Times, New Yorker, wine enthusiast, travel and leisure, many other publications.

Jason, thank you for being here.

Oh, thanks for having me.

I'm looking forward to this.

And then, Katie Nolan.

And your resume is what?

I've drank on television related to sports probably more than most.

If not all.

I've run a beer mile.

What else?

There's been a lot.

You're a drunk historian.

Oh, I did drunk history three times.

Hello.

I'm Katie Nolan.

And this is the story of the Blackhawks.

Blackhawks.

You want to do Blackhawk Down?

I feel like we should do...

Should we do the baseball thing instead and then you can

do Blackhawk now.

God bless Josh Hartnett, though.

I remember when Madison Bumgarner used to chug beers after they would win when he was on the Giants.

I did six beers, but put straws in them so I didn't waste any, and I chugged six beers at once.

Done!

Do you want me to prove it?

Do I have to prove it?

Do you want me to prove it or are we good?

I'm prolific.

I'm the Danielle Steele of drinking on sports television.

And a former bartender.

And a former bartender, yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

So

I also have credit.

And Anthony Bourdain once said of me, who?

So we're on the same plane.

And so we're going to over-deliver here, as we like to do on Pablitori Finds Out.

We're not going to give you a review of James Harden's stuff.

We're going to do that plus so many more things that create, in totality, the most irresponsible expense report, I think, in the history of Metal Arc Media.

So what are we starting with, guys?

Can you come in with, I guess, the wines?

We want to start with the wines, the wine division.

This is your wheel.

We definitely need to start with the wines.

I bet you really can taste when something's cheap and when it's good.

And I can't.

Oh, this is the James Harden wine.

Thank you, Cortez.

Thank you, Prince.

No, I'm going to just admit a bias, you know, to start off.

You came in from where, Jason?

From Philadelphia.

Yeah.

What type of a wine does it claim to be?

A cab?

Jay Hardin, 2021, California Cabernet Sauvignon.

Got it.

A wine with swag is what the press release says.

James Harden had a desire to make Quality Mind more accessible, diverse, and inclusive, and to share his personal wine journey with fans worldwide.

James, a little how to taste.

Please,

you got to do the swirl.

I mean, we have plastic cups here, but you know, it's fine.

Nice legs.

Do the little spirit.

Are there?

Right.

We don't look at legs.

Damn, okay.

All right.

Nice action.

We do the swirl.

And then you give it a little sniff.

A little sniffy sniff.

See what you get.

And then.

Okay.

Katie had that one ready to go.

Do you do the ASMR?

Give it a taste.

Yeah,

yeah, I didn't know if we wanted to do that

tastes like juice.

Oh, a little spit cup.

Oh, that's right.

We'll spit.

That'll be the only spitting today, for sure.

Yes.

Okay, hold on.

Did I ruin it if I've already had a sip?

Oh, but you can take another sip.

You know, it's okay.

The ASMR is

more a part of this than I realized.

Oh, and then you deal with what it feels like in your mouth.

Yeah, exactly.

Mouthfeel.

What's a cab supposed to normally give?

Is it all cab?

I don't know.

I think it's a cabinet.

It's a cab.

Yeah, it doesn't say it's a mix.

And he says also, if you're new to wine or an experienced enthusiast, I believe that you will love these wines as much as I do.

I don't know what the price is, but it's nice enough.

Like it's a nice kind of,

you know, it doesn't like a really like expensive, nice cab would have like, you know, more serious, like what they call tannins, you know, like this kind of feeling of like...

The dryness.

Yeah, that like dryness feel like.

And then,

you know, it would have like a little bit of a longer finish to it.

But, I mean, this is pretty simple.

This was this ended prematurely, as far as I can tell.

Yes.

I'm like, okay, that was that.

I mean, is it the obvious?

A lot of wines.

Yeah.

Happens to a lot of James Hardens as opposed to using it is concerned, unfortunately.

This finish didn't show up in game seven for sure.

Yeah.

What are we thinking price point?

We're going to guess.

We're going to guess price point.

Okay.

Well, I mean, just simply because it's from California and it's James Harden, I think it's like more expensive than just like an everyday wine.

But like

I would say,

I don't know, $20 dollars maybe twenty dollars 17.99 yeah yeah eight yeah eighteen ninety nine twenty one dollars um

in between 17 and 20.

okay so we got it we all got it except you nailed it except for me

so god damn it prices right rules you have to leave this is i mean i think for 20 for a california cabernet it's not bad it's not offended

it doesn't um it's not like

you know it's not like blend which i've since learned you know when they give you the like take a sip of this at a restaurant it's not to see if you you like it.

It's like, is it spoiled?

Is it spoiled?

Exactly.

And I don't think I've ever had a spoiled wine because for me, I could, everyone kind of tastes this.

I've never said, ugh.

I know.

Give me another one.

Cause I have a very dumb.

I don't think I even notice.

I think if I drank a spoiled wine, I'd be like, tastes great.

Thanks so much.

Speaking of never saying no, what is the next wine?

Oh, yeah.

Already.

Already.

We got so much.

Are you going to dump?

Are you going to just no?

Yeah, but imagine if you had to taste like 100 in an afternoon.

Thank you, Patrick.

Imagine.

we got Pablo.

Staying in the NBA.

The label says Chosen Family 2022 Reserve Pinot Noir.

This is, I am told, from Kevin Love and Channing Fry.

Oh.

They have a noted winemaker, Chase Renton.

I don't know if that means anything to Jason.

That's a guy.

I think it's, yeah, yeah, yes.

They're on a mission to connect people from all walks of life through the collective passion for amazing wines, community, and life.

I guess everybody says stuff.

Everybody just be like, I wanted a wine that tastes good so I could tell people I own a wine.

Yeah, exactly.

They're here for a collective.

They're going to be here to kiss.

That's right.

All right.

So, first we do this.

It's one of these.

Yeah, do this one.

We don't look at the legs.

We don't object to the left.

We can look at the

on my smells different.

Now, what is this supposed to be?

Is this also?

I think it's a Pinot Noir.

Yeah.

So this is what I'm saying.

I mean, for me, that smells a little.

Now, this does smell a little oaky on the nose.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let me agree with you.

Yes, of course.

Okay.

Oh, I forgot to spit it out again.

What is the difference between a Pinot and a Cabernet?

A Cabernet is going to be a little bit more like full-body.

The Pinot Noir is going to be a little bit lighter, a little bit lighter in color.

It's like a pretty dark Pinot Noir, actually.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And where'd you say this was from?

California.

Willamette Valley.

Oh,

Willamette Valley, Oregon.

Oregon.

Yes.

Oregon.

Oregon.

Yeah.

Where your Pinot in the U.S.

comes from.

Exactly.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's pretty like big for like a Pinot Noir.

It's like a little bit of

an athlete's Pinot Noir for sure.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're going to have to translate what the expert means.

Pinot breot noir.

Pin bro noir.

Yes, exactly.

It'll get better as the wine flows.

It's a little bit more expensive of a wine.

It's probably meant to like age more because it's like you have like a lot more oak on it, you know?

It also feels like sweeter at the end.

A little bit, yeah.

Normally is for me.

Yeah.

Like dude, Pinot should be like a little earthy, should be a little fruit.

You know, like the fruit should be there, but it should be a little earthy as well.

A little like.

I don't think he likes it, Kev.

Yeah.

I don't think he loves it.

Have you met Kevin Love in person?

Either of you?

No, have you?

I'm told he's like the nicest guy.

And

just, we'll say striking.

Good facial architecture.

And just a sweetheart.

Well-line veer.

Got married at the public library, too.

New York Public Library.

Saw that.

Loved that.

Sarah Duska Parker.

Very jealous of that.

Yeah, back in the city.

Was it true that he and LeBron James had like a falling out over like a wine tasting?

He said, you know what?

It's a little bit oakier than it should.

This is a real bro wine.

This is an athlete's Piano Water.

Yeah,

I don't love this, but I wouldn't say that.

But maybe it's too young.

Maybe it's meant to be aged.

I don't know.

You know, I know.

Like, let's put it in the cellar and let it sit for five years or something.

You know, maybe I don't know.

Go to college.

I think it's more expensive, though.

I mean, it's like,

let's do that game.

I think it's probably like $35 or $40.

I'm so sorry.

How much is it?

$40?

$35, $40.

And you think that's a good price for it, or do you think that's what they're charging?

Great question.

In your personal opinion?

I mean, I think they're...

Yeah, I don't know.

It's what they're charging.

It's what they're charging.

I mean, I think it's like just like the grape and the region.

It's just like, that's like what it would be.

$27?

So I'm going to be the person who just gives you guys the real answer here.

And Jason is nailing it.

$40.

Wow.

It's almost like you've done this before.

This guy's a ringer.

C.J.

McCollum's Heritage.

Oh, I love C.J.

McCollum.

Pinot Noir.

I've heard good Oregon.

I'm going to get this one, actually.

So it says McCollum across the top, a big H for heritage.

Okay.

2021, Willamette Valley.

So this is all.

And you guys are up in Oregon making the Pinot.

He's also at Pinot Noir, yeah.

Yeah.

Yep.

Blazer Country.

I think, shout out to his dog, who I think is named Fiona.

All right.

Now think, look at the

way this smells.

You don't like it?

No.

You like the oakier one.

What's this one?

You're a little bit oaky.

You're like, this smells more fruity, earthy.

Forest floor.

It smells a little bit like a wine farm.

Fallen leaves.

Foraging.

Yeah, this smells like

mushroom foraging.

It smells like peat moss.

You're in the forest.

It's got a little stank on it.

I'm sorry.

It does.

Is it stank or funk?

Oh, I don't.

What's the difference?

Well, I don't know.

It's any funk.

In that case, funk.

You can't fake the stank, I believe the saying goes.

I kind of like the stank, quote-unquote stank.

I don't I hate the way it tastes.

It's a good tasting, though.

Yeah, I don't hate the way it tastes.

I didn't like the way it smelled.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It feels like it's, um,

it feels like it's enveloping my tongue.

Does that make sense?

It is.

I feel it on like all sides of my tongue.

This is good stuff.

Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting.

Cheese.

Not a b ⁇ .

Cheese.

I was only demonstrating the spitting.

Yes, of course.

This is what it describes itself as.

Red rose petal, cinnamon bark, fresh boysenberry.

A deep...

did you get the boysenberry cinnamon but i got the boysenberry this is my favorite part a deep bass note of freshly turned loam loam is the word i was looking for when i said peanut yeah it's that is the word

that's what's enveloping your yeah that's what makes my mouth feel dirty yeah a longer finish much longer finish and the stag will blow off yeah it's just it's truly just the scent he's got to air it out for a sec air it

yeah i like this i like this quite a bit cj

Jason, CJ,

we want a price?

That's right.

I'm guessing 50 plus.

I don't know.

50, 60.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This man is good at this.

I know.

Has nailed it.

55.

Nice.

Nice.

How have we not said tannins yet?

He did.

We did say he did.

That was like the first thing.

I'm also kind of drunk at this point.

Do you know what a tannin is?

It's from the skin of the grape.

That's right.

Wow.

I did.

Clearly.

You should write a wine book.

Skin of the grape.

Yep.

It's the, you know, it makes your mouth feel like

exactly.

Oh, my God.

I was so bad.

The sun's still out.

And I got to go home like this.

And we're only on the first round.

That's right.

We haven't gotten to the other.

We haven't even started the bourbon yet.

Sick.

So, Katie, what did you like?

Consider the price point

we got.

I liked them all.

I think that, and I hate considering the price point because I wish I didn't know I would pick this one anyway, I think.

But

knowing it's the most expensive, I think it means I'm right.

But I do like this one.

This one's very good.

It's very interesting.

I could see myself drinking it and finding something new to like about it each sip.

Yeah.

Yes.

A little

hiding in there.

It pays back your attention.

Yeah, there's something floating in it that I'm going to get out, but I don't hold that against you.

That might be a you problem.

It seems like it might be.

What's your favorite?

I mean, this is my favorite, but I mean, is it, I don't know, is it worth $55?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, but, you know, the James Harden one, not

going harden.

Really?

Because I have

been shocking at you and your integrity.

I have zero tolerance, essentially.

And that felt like something I could just sip on, and it cost very little.

Yeah.

And it feels like that would be a nice night.

Me.

having spent not a lot of money on a thing.

Me, James Harden,

drawing, flopping, just staring at the bottle.

I feel like in order, I would go this one hardens, and then that other swill.

No, I'm just kidding.

Kevin, it was good.

I was just joking.

It was just a joke.

It was just a joke.

It was good.

It just wasn't.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I agree.

I agree.

I think we're consensus here.

And that means we're right because he's.

Do you hear what Anthony Bourdain said about him?

Lomi.

I think he called him Lomi.

Yeah.

It's pretty cool.

He's Lomi, like the floor of the forest.

Very elegant tannins, that one.

That's great.

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What do we got next?

Bourbon.

Looks like

something higher-proof is coming in.

Oh, no.

Oh, my God.

That's the same pour as the wine.

Yeah, this is

fucking with us.

Signature Woodson bourbon whiskey.

Wow.

Charles Woodson.

Not Darren.

Who also makes wine, I think.

Well.

With a name like Woodson.

This is his white and silver signature series.

Okay.

40% alcohol.

Okay.

Is that standard for a bourbon?

A little low.

A little low.

A little low.

Get your numbers up.

It says six-month accelerated aged Kentucky bourbon.

Oh, now what is that?

Accelerated aged.

So it's like in a vacuum or something?

Maybe.

I don't know.

So I shouldn't, you know, there'll be bourbon people jumping down my throat.

But like, you know, they're normally just a very relaxed bunch.

Yeah.

I think it's like aged in a smaller

barrel.

So it'll be quicker.

Here's my thing.

That feels like something you do but don't tell.

I don't feel like you go, hey, we did this.

We cheated on this.

You want it to feel old.

All right, Charles.

All right.

How do we, okay?

Okay, so a little bit.

You don't want to just slam it around like with the wine because it's going to just, you're just going to get a face of the alcohol, but like a little gently

sniff it in little sniffs.

You can put some wrist and elbow into that.

Yeah, you got it.

Come on.

Look at that.

This smells like.

And then a work party.

This smells like I'm having a conversation with an executive.

Oh, that's so interesting.

This sounds like I'm about to say, so where do you live now?

Wife, kids, how they doing?

Yeah, yeah.

Schools?

Okay, this is, it's got a little bit of caramel.

A lot of caramel, a lot of vanilla, a lot of

it's, so that's all from the barrel.

And I think that's from the accelerated aging, to be honest.

Yeah.

So the barrel's doing a bunch of the work here.

The barrel's doing a lot of the work here.

There's a sweetness, almost desserty, I would say.

Super sweet, super corny.

Like it's like there's a lot of corn in this, I think, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is the word smooth appropriate to say?

Smooth is like this thing that like, I think, wine people hate because it's like.

What does that mean?

Yeah.

Oh, it's smooth.

Or, you know.

So no, Pablo is a dumb thing to say.

No, no, but I think it's okay with spirits because like, like, what is it?

It's rough.

What would rough be?

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

It's not usually a question somebody asks when I'm drinking bourbon, but I don't know.

I'll come up with a couple that I'm definitely.

So we have this thing in Philadelphia called the Philly Special, right?

And it's like you're going to power it to the other guy.

He throws it back to the guy and you beat me.

All right.

But that's, you know, that comes from the Philly special, which is the Pavs Lu Ribbon and the Jim Beam.

A Boilermaker, essentially.

Yes.

Oh.

That's where the name comes from.

Philly invented a beer in a shot

and putting cheese on meat on it.

$4.

Yeah.

So unique.

Brilliant minds.

I love the city.

I was only kidding.

What do you see on the cash register, Jason?

Oh, in the cash register?

I mean, it's bourbon, so it has to be expensive.

So I mean, and there's celebrities, so it's got to be even more expensive.

I don't know, like 70 bucks, maybe?

No chance, really?

I would say 32 tops.

In between 47 and 50.

You were closer, I think, than I was.

I don't know if you're not a math guy, but.

If you're a real bourbon dude, you go after like the single barrel, single cask, whatever, because it's like going to be like cast strength.

It's going to be like 55%, 60%, whatever.

And then like people who are real bourbon people, like want to add their own water to it.

Like, thank you.

Like, I don't need you.

Charles Woodson, I don't need to be able to do it.

You need to put ice in it and then

I will say this is very drinkable.

And I think that's not what I look for in a bourbon.

You want to?

I'm not looking for something to like,

I can sip it fast.

Are we going to get to the end?

Like, so in tasting, there's this word mouthfeel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I look forward to that.

I love all you're describing is mouthfeel.

Yeah, I feel awesome about this podcast coming out.

So it's okay.

It just tastes like a baby's first bourbon to me.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's the training wheels bourbon.

Yeah, for sure.

It's a starter pack.

But it is like a little expensive for the starter pack, though, isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What do we got next?

This is a completely different color.

Great cornerback.

Look at this.

Oh boy.

This is more caramel versus this.

This makes Woodsons look like piss.

I'm just going to be honest.

This is Gentleman's Cut.

Oh, very nice.

Gentleman's Cut.

Steph Curry brings

Steph.

Cheers.

Aged at least five years.

Quickly.

Helmed in Boone County.

And what's the

alcohol percentage?

The alcohol percentage.

Glad you asked.

45.

All right.

Now we're getting up to the bottom.

Just a step.

Just a step above.

Gentleman's cut.

What's the cut cut referring to?

These are the terms that I have no idea exactly what it is.

Which is what they talk about with the angels' share.

That's a jeopardy question I got wrong.

The angels share is what evaporates from the barrel over time.

You guys are like political strategists, you liquor people, just coming up with these euphemisms for

how black mold grows in the distillery.

Oh, that's the angels' share.

Yeah.

Angels share.

Really?

Well, like when it evaporates, this mold grows on the distillery wall, you know, so it's like, yeah.

Right.

My bathtub bathtub in hoboken is full of the angel's share there you go i got a real angel's share problem in my bathtub

i'm tasting some caramel

caramel caramel

i'm trying to say it fancy

i doubt there's caramel added to it but yeah no no no no i mean it's there's vanilla all of these but it's it's pecan it is it's okay there's there's a um there's a vanilla bean

yeah uh a seamless sip of honey i mean I think it's nicer than the other one because it's a little more complex.

You got the sweetness.

You got the vanilla honey

with a seam, I think, you know, but not seamless honey, but like, and then there's the spicy rye.

It's DoorDash honey.

Wee.

The idea that Stephen.

Gentleman's Cut.

Good name.

So is it or is it douchey?

Kind of douchey, but yeah.

Jason Wilson, what are you pricing this gentleman's cut at?

I would say I would go with with the same price as the last one.

So, yeah, at least.

$65.

At least,

I don't know, $65 to $75.

$55.

$80.

No,

$80 for Steph Curry's bourbon.

Okay.

That doesn't surprise me.

Yeah.

I just wonder, like, when you're making a vanity

liquor, a vanity bourbon.

How dare you suggest these are just vanity projects?

Like, what, what, is this, is any of this supposed to resemble Steph, right like how does this how is he in this how is he reflected in the gentleman's in the rye like in yeah, what is it?

I I kind of respect Steph Curry that he went high rye in the bourbon though.

It's like you know

yeah high rye like high percentage of rye.

Yeah, right.

Hi Rye.

Hi Rye notes of of your wife complaining on Twitter about the referees during the NBA finals.

And when I do this, I see spitting your mouth guard out at a ref controversially.

Yeah.

I'm detecting a bit of

infantilization, even though you're six foot three and the son of an NBA sharpshooter.

That is a daughter.

Anybody could be this.

Yeah, daughter adorably interrupting your press conference right at the front of my mouth here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, what did we like the most?

Oh, that's it.

It's these two?

Well, then it's this one.

It's yeah, this one for sure.

This one for sure.

No offense, Charles.

It's just like, honestly.

That was just like, that was just like...

Look at the colors.

Right.

A spirit.

This is actually like a bourbon.

Yeah.

Damn, that's a bar.

I think I'm drunk now.

Oh, God.

Are you guys dumping?

I have to.

I can't.

I'm sorry.

It's the daytime.

This cup is this.

What's in this cup now is the devil's share.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Look how full his cup is.

Oh, he's really been dumping.

Yeah.

Guys, I feel like it's been on a host.

Are you actually tasting?

I am tasting.

Okay.

Oh, you little bitch.

All right, we're refining our palates.

A little cleanser with a tequila soda.

Tequila soda.

Tequila soda.

A pre-mix.

These are brought to us by Travis Kelsey.

What?

5%.

5% alcohol.

His name is nowhere on it.

On Mi Casa, we use real tequila.

That is how Travis Kelsey, I imagine, would

speak Spanish.

Come bailing out after three words.

And Mi Casa, we use real tequila.

That's Yosoy Fiesta.

Yes, I'm wearing Los Blue jeans.

I don't taste the tequila in this.

This is like the peach mango.

It feels like a white tequila.

Okay, so I have the lime margarita.

So maybe you're getting more tequila.

I do get more tequila.

I don't taste that much of the tequila either, but I will say it almost tastes like aspartame.

It does.

I don't know if it's

a finish of aspartame.

It does take a taste.

It's like a finish of like tequila.

I'm saying that it's like sugar.

Oh, it says 100 calories on top.

I was going to say, it doesn't brag about that anywhere, but it does taste like fake sugar.

It's not bad.

I find with these tequila canned cocktails, stick with the basic margarita one.

Yeah, don't go crazy with your flavors.

But I will say, on some of those, like the trulies, I feel like there's a passion fruit or something I really like.

But I don't, have you seen they've come out with these now?

Not these specific ones, but they're now doing like alcohol-free trulies.

And you're like, that's us, just a seltzer.

That's just a seltzer.

That's a thing we've been doing for many years.

I do love a seltzer.

I know me too, but don't do a, don't, you wouldn't buy a is it bad to drink mostly seltzer as opposed to just bad in what way?

Like, does it reveal a bad character?

Yeah, or is it bad for you in any sort of medical way?

And also, in my sleep.

I think you an alcohol.

I think it's spicy water.

Oh, why am I still drinking this?

And now, what is this we have here?

This is tequila lobos, 1707.

Does that mean wolf?

Wolves?

Yes, wolves.

Wolves.

Brought to us.

Plural.

Brought to us by LeBron James.

Oh, Lobos James.

Reposado.

It's

aged in the bourbon.

No, it can be aged in anything, but it's aged.

It has to be aged one day less than a year.

What?

It has to be reposado.

It's just rested.

It's rested.

Yeah, can you explain the difference, Jason, between the types of tequila?

Añejo, reposado, and blanco.

Blanco.

Blanco.

Yeah.

So blanco, very simple.

It's unaged.

Reposado is rested.

So it's a little bit of age.

Añejo is like more than a year.

You don't usually age tequila that much, but like maybe two, three years or whatever.

And then there's like extra añejo and there's all kinds of wild stuff that goes on there.

But we mean wild stuff.

Well, like kissing on the mouth.

No.

Much more than that.

Oh, shit.

Damn.

You wear masks.

Oh,

that's alcohol heavy.

Maybe

it's an ABV, though.

This is 40%?

Yeah, see?

It's not.

You just called poor Charles Woodson's

baby bourbon, and this is the same ABV.

I'm just saying, it smells, when you smell it, it smells like something I'd put on a wound.

This is what dr quinn medicine would use it's a wound for your soul would use this save the kid from the rattlesnake this will cleanse my soul which came first taco tuesday or this did he do this because he was doing the taco is he still doing it you know what it is

it's taco tuesday

it feels as ryan cortex has pointed out for the for the longest time, ethnically insensitive.

Yeah.

And now here he is a

tequila.

Can I say, I know we're not to go backwards, but I'm burping up Travis Kelsey a bunch.

Yeah.

I keep getting this strawberry mud on you in the back of my head.

Yep, yep.

All right.

This is nice.

This is a nice.

It's nice, but it's a weird tequila because, like, all right, so I mean, you have the notes over there.

So is it, is it aged in Pedro Jimenez's cask?

Is that a genuine question?

It's a genuine question.

There's a grape called Pedro Jimenez.

How did you know?

That's amazing.

Because it says PX right here.

Oh.

Pedro Jimenez.

Jesus.

This is how they phrase it, and I love the vocabulary.

This is what it is described as.

After ruminating for over six slow months in American white oak barrels, the liquid is blended with a touch of Lobo 1707 tequila.

Extra añejo.

And finished at its leisure.

Oh, so they put it in.

Finished at its leisure.

Whenever it feels like it.

So they put a little bit of the extra añejo in this one, is what you're saying, and then it finishes.

All I know is that

it's finished at its leisure in historic PX wine barrels

using the Soletta method.

Soleta method.

And that is what is that?

All right.

So that's here's like real wine education here.

So it's like they, or spirits education, they put

they put the young in a barrel and they they always they take some out and they add the old.

So there's always like this.

Aaron Rodgers accused him.

Kimmel of doing.

I'm drunk.

We're going to give you a raise over there.

Oh, man.

At the mouse.

Oh.

And you're spitting, dumping.

I'm spitting.

I said I'm a lightweight.

And once sipped, it reveals its spicy, audacious character.

Oh, it is audacious.

It's audacious to do all this shit to Kila for sure.

Like, I mean, like, it's just a reposado.

Just like make it a reposado.

Like, I don't know.

Like, what?

What are you pricing this at, Jason?

You're getting hammered.

Why is your price such?

Let's cut some of the money soft.

Listen, buddy.

I'm here to find out stuff.

How much are you going to charge for?

80 bucks.

80?

80.

Wait, hold on.

Maybe less.

Maybe less.

Maybe less.

65.

Man of the people.

But it's Reposato, so let's say 65.

55.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Thanks, LeBron.

I believe.

Thanks, LeBron.

Thank you so much.

On Taco Tuesday.

Thank you so much.

Now, the only drink I've ever been served by LeBron is a vodka cranberry.

So this is a serious.

You actually have been served a drink by LeBron, James.

You have?

He made me a vodka cranberry.

I was mortified.

It was at an Espy party I was not invited to.

I gave the name of a U.S.

women's national team beloved star in order to get in because nobody knew and that it embarrassed our network, I think.

But anyway, I got into this Espy after party with my friends, Diana Rossini and Cassidy Hubberth.

So here I am at LeBron's party feeling very uncomfortable.

And he turned around and asked us if we wanted anything to drink.

And I was ready to go, no, it's okay.

Thank you, LeBron James.

And Diana was like, You know what?

We'll take a couple vodka cranberries.

Of course, Diana would.

So he turns around and he goes to the bucket, and he himself is like putting the ice in the glasses and made us and brought us.

And when he handed it to me, I said, Thank you, LeBron James.

What the f?

And then I went to the bathroom.

I texted everybody.

I know, LeBron just handed me a vodka cranberry.

And so

we have one challenger

in in the world of Dequila, and it is

Sincoro Le Posaro.

Sorry?

Miguel Jordan's Dequila.

A Jordan LeBron?

Look at this shit.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Look at the bottom of the bag.

You can't be American dressed.

Put down these bottles, yeah.

Look at this.

Well, in size.

Talk about

size.

Yeah.

Lord.

Yeah.

Look at her.

As a size queen.

I think.

As a size queen.

Wow, look at the front of it.

It's doing this.

It's like showing its chest.

This is like

what they serve on the spaceship in the movie Prometheus.

Mrs.

Butterworth got fancy.

It looks like Galeano, honestly.

That looks like the bottle that's covered in dust at the bar that nobody ever uses.

Sincoro tequila is all it says.

It's a translucent bottle.

You can see.

Centoro, so bull?

No, no.

Sincorro.

So what's that?

50?

I speak 50.

I don't know.

I feel like transferring.

No, I think there's like five dudes that made this tequila or something, right?

It's like, yeah.

Okay.

That's good.

That's good.

Reposado?

That's the extent of my special.

You can't wake up me when I've been drinking.

It's different.

100%

de agave.

What?

100% agave.

So it's just agave?

Therefore, it can be tequila, right?

Right.

Because it would have to be 100%

40% alpha.

It's like you didn't have to tell us that, right?

It's like an unnecessary.

So they're both 40%?

This feels like you won the fing national championship.

Which one of these is it?

What color?

I don't know.

It feels like

it feels a little bit like a pickleball trophy, but yes.

Yeah, it's a...

Ooh, it smells sweet.

Phew.

Yes.

Sinkoro translates.

Of course, Oro.

We're going to break it down here.

Oro means gold.

Ah, so five golds.

Five golds.

It's five golds.

Five championships, but he's won six.

Yeah, not loving the, huh?

Why would he name it that?

Because there's five guys.

Burgers and fries.

Damn, damn, damn.

You got that video?

The guy reviewing five guys?

A favorite video.

Five guys, burgers and fries.

Oh my goodness, I got bacon just dropping out.

Damn, damn, damn.

That bacon is so serious, boy.

He goes, damn, damn, damn.

Bro, I am

uniquely made with

Weber

Blue Agave from both the Highland and Lowland regions.

Okay, if I mention the land at all, don't you?

Jason, they have been cooked and distilled separately, then artfully blended

into a single exceptional tequila.

Now, this smells, I'm telling you, it smells sweet, doesn't it, for a tequila?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It looks like very serious.

Super vanilla-y.

Yeah, super vanilla, super vanilla.

Like a pure vanilla extract.

Creme Creme brulee.

Okay.

There it is.

There it is.

Oh, and then the finish is

like a cigarette.

It's like a cigarette.

What is going on?

I see it.

I see the vision.

I mean,

there's like some regret.

Yeah, this is, huh.

I don't like it.

It's like cotton candy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like.

Wow, this is.

I don't want him to take it personally, but I don't, I'm not a huge.

Yeah.

This is a shocked by how

How much I don't like it.

And I have a funny feeling it's pricey.

Well, I know his ex-Janiejo is like special one is like $5,000, but I don't know.

I don't know.

That can't be this.

There's no change.

No, there's no change.

That won't hard sign that.

Sorry, Dan.

No way.

Skipper was like, totally.

Yeah, that's fine.

But look at this bottle.

That's embarrassing.

I'm sorry.

That's embarrassing.

You said that's embarrassing.

The shape of this.

Like, you know, the meeting, the meetings they had, in which they were like, all right, this is inspired by

is it five-sided is it a pentagon i believe it is one two three you're right yeah they did that on purpose and then the the the one two three four five you're right the top is is one two three four five fascinating No, I'm going to give this a flat no for me.

I don't like the way it tastes.

I don't like the way it's named.

It feels like too many meetings, not enough telea.

Exactly.

It feels like brand ideation.

It's like brand ideation.

In true DaVinci code fashion, I'm noticing there's a message.

Oh, what to say?

On

the rim here.

Don't buy this tequila.

It sucks.

Ooh, that'd be pretty cool.

It says five gold.

Okay.

Share truth.

Share truth?

Yeah.

Well, you're fucking tequila sucks, dude.

You told me I could say it.

You told me I could say it.

It says on your bottle to say it.

Your tequila sucks.

I'm so sorry.

Truth shared.

Truth hurts.

What are we putting this at, price-wise?

$90.

I think they're kind of the same price, probably.

Yeah.

No?

You think it's more?

No, I'm sorry.

I just took a sip of it.

Speaking my truth.

$120.

Yo.

No.

That's silly.

Don't mind that.

I'm sorry.

Look.

We broke Jason.

We broke him.

Well, no, less.

Well, no, less.

Here's the thing.

Don't write be honest or whatever it says if you don't want me to tell you 120 is too much for that.

In this economy, absolutely not.

Damn, I'm boozed.

Yeah.

I am lightly buzzed.

I am.

Lightly?

Yeah, just lightly buzzed.

I think it's time to cap it off.

This is it, right?

We're done.

With a toast.

Okay.

A toast.

Oh, a champagne.

What the f is this?

What are you doing?

Why are you doing this?

What's going on?

My sorry.

Really, this is just like a.

Oh, Jason has a warning.

I used to do this.

Whoa, ho, ho.

I think you got to aim it that way after the soundproof part, not the LED screen.

Sorry.

My LED screen gets broken by fing Isaiah Thomas's champagne.

Is that who it is?

Purelin champagne.

Nicely done.

That was very nice.

I didn't know that.

I spoken with a whisper, not a shout.

That's for now.

I shouted you.

Okay, it smells like piss.

I don't know.

I smelled the cork as one does, and it's pissy.

Yeah, I don't know.

First of all, cheers, everybody.

Cheers.

Cheers.

Cheers, cheers.

Cheers.

Do you smell champagne?

I don't see what the point of that is.

I did, but I wasn't sure either.

Drinkable.

I don't love drinkable.

I don't love the taste.

I like that it doesn't bite in a way that sometimes champagne does, but it does.

Zero bite.

I don't love the way it tastes.

So, this is how they are describing this.

He and his wife Lynn wanted a healthier, great-tasting champagne without the added sugar.

What?

Isaiah is quick to point out: quote,

it had to be reasonably priced, and it definitely couldn't come with a headache the next day.

It took years.

But that's exactly what we found in Churlin.

Surely?

Surely?

Is that a brand Jay Sherlin thing?

I don't know.

What's about the sugar added?

No sugar?

Without the added sugar.

There's no way there's no sugar added.

It's champagne.

Isn't that sweet by?

Well, there is like a type of champagne that's like brute naturel.

It's like no sugar.

Like no, no.

There's always like this dosage that's added.

And that's why they

do sage.

That's like with the horses when you do the dancing.

Dosage.

Ben Romney's daughter loves dosage.

Dosage.

She's big on dosage.

Yeah.

Bruce Springstey's daughter, too.

That's right.

Really?

Wow, that's a future episode.

Write that down.

Write that down, guys.

Dosage episode.

Yeah, you put a little sugar water in there, and it's like, that's when, that's how it gets all the bubbles, and you, they put it away.

And then, yeah.

Okay.

But there's also a way to do it without any of that.

So he's saying he didn't put any sugar in there.

Did he put like sugar-free?

He just claims to not have added sugar, deeply rooted in the belief

that a great champagne emanates emanates from honoring tradition.

Of course.

Worshiping the terroir.

Terroir.

I knew we would get the terroir today.

He's a thousand pounds, right?

Terroir.

Terroir.

And practicing sustainable agriculture.

Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Blah, blah, blah.

Harmonize into a fresh and balanced flavor.

Fresh and balanced flavor.

And they want an HR violation on there?

I would not call this fresh.

This champagne was.

Allegedly.

This champagne should have never been hired to run the New York Liberty.

Whoa, this is an increasingly specific.

I've dropped my phone.

That's how you know I'm drunk.

And I spilled water on yours.

You might want to pick that up.

Yeah.

Very good.

Wee.

What are we pricing all that at?

I mean, for the effort, a whole lot of money.

Well, if it's champagne, it's probably at least.

Oh, I don't know.

I've had some of these.

is this andre level reasonably priced is what he said okay reasonably priced is andre that's 12.90 now no no no no no no it's not that because it's actual champagne so what it's not wait sorry andre's not actual champagne no it's from california what does that mean you say that like i go oh of course it's not it's you know champagne region of france

what about prosecco so prosecco's not prosecco's not champagne no cava's not champagne okay you know yeah it's just like the meme it can only come from the champagne region Why, yes, of course.

That meme we've all encountered.

We're on very different internet.

Yeah, I don't think our internet owns

all.

I would say $38.99.

That's a good guess.

$50.

Damn.

Suck it.

Affordable.

To whom?

What are we doing here, Isaiah?

To whom, Isaiah?

What are we doing, Isaiah?

Seriously, whatever the price is, what are we even doing?

Can you guys show us your dump cups?

All our dumps?

All our dumps.

Like a truck?

What?

These like, what?

Baby.

Let me say it again.

Okay, all my dumps.

Yeah, show us your dumps.

I spit out wine.

I don't think I can tilt it because all of your mine's only for the dead.

I actually thought I put more in.

I spit out wine one time.

I'm adding to this.

Man, this is.

Pablo.

There's a lot in there.

Come on, dude.

It's so vanilla.

Whose was the vanilla one?

Is that Jordan?

MJ's, yeah.

Down the hatch.

In my ear is a room full of people saying, do not drink this, but also drink this.

Drink it.

Take one sip.

Take a sip.

I'm not.

Okay, I'll take a little sip.

Here we go.

Wow.

What if he loves it?

What if he loves it?

I could be a lot worse.

Oh my God.

Take another sip then.

He's going to put it in a bottle and call it Pablo Swill.

Can you do accelerated aging, please?

Guys,

this is spicy and audacious.

I feel like we're all going to be friends for a long time, right?

At least for a long time.

Why not?

I love you guys so much.

No, shut up.

I love you the most.

I'm going to go home and Dan's going to be like, can you just put this in a different room?

I do not want to be around this.

You smell like Isaiah Tom.

I do.

And let me explain.

I can explain.

And that's real, by the way.

We spent the entire afternoon playing video games in our studio.

We have a whole rig now to play like Sega Genesis.

As for my friends who helped me make this show, Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tumanello, and Juliet Warren.

Studio Engineering by by RG Systems.

Post-production by NGW Post.

Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo.

We'll be back with a very different episode, as I often like to say, on Tuesday.

Talk to you then.