The Hard Truth About Orgasms in Sports, with Domonique Foxworth

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out.

I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

Hello.

Hey, Dan.

Yeah.

Hey.

Hey, I'm recording something for my podcast.

Yeah.

Do you know what post-nut clarity is?

Yeah.

Post-what?

Post-nut clarity.

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I got in trouble with Liz

because

when we were dating, I would

borrow her laptop

and I would go to a website that I've just revisited now for the first time since the last time I was shamed for this, which is sexmusic.tumbler.com.

Oh, what's wrong with that?

It turns out that in her mind, this was very,

I guess, not very thoughtful.

And also just like creepy.

Sexmusic.tumbler.com.

I mean, maybe I don't know know what's on this Tumblr, but I would just assume it's like a list of the best songs to like

have sex to.

That's why I went.

Yeah.

I feel like that's romantic.

Like you put some effort in.

I could have used you as my defense attorney.

What did you, what did you say?

I apologized and said I would never put this on again.

What?

You know what the problem is.

Never mind.

What's the problem?

The music creates an expectation.

And And when you're listening to songs about people

putting it down in various ways, whether it's an upbeat song, whether it's a slow song, whether it's sensual, whether it's strong and delicate at the same time, like the music can tell you what we're looking for.

And it's possible that

you got a blockbuster soundtrack,

but a made-for-TV movie.

and it's possible that it makes it worse where you're like,

you have me queuing up fucking John Williams,

and I'm out here doing like some, I don't know, some hee-haw.

Yeah, I think you had, I think you queued up John Williams and

maybe you was giving a little action Jackson.

Like you wasn't giving a real action movie.

Like it was playing action music in the background, but you was giving a talkie.

He was out here.

I was out here doing some fucking Charlie Chaplin.

You was Charlie Chaplining when the music was suggesting that she was about to get taken.

I was, I was, I was.

You wasn't giving.

I was just wiggling my nose

for the camera.

And taking your hat on and off.

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Do you want to explain how we

came up with the subject of today's show?

Well, we didn't come up with the subject of today's show.

Every conversation that you have in your life, and I've complained about this before,

you're just mining your friends and people in your life for content.

I don't go into it necessarily with the full clarity that every conversation we have must be a show.

Every conversation that you and I have becomes a show.

And if I can't be on it, you just get somebody else to talk about it.

Like you just, you milk me.

And I am nervous when I'm talking to you.

Like, oh my gosh, whenever whenever I talk to Pablo, whatever I say is going to like, is he actually listening to me or is he taking notes?

I am definitely editing in my head while we're talking.

Like, oh, that would be, that could be C-Seg for today's show.

So we hung out a couple of weeks ago and we were eating.

And I feel like you're the one who sparked the thought in my mind.

I don't know how we got to the story.

I remember exactly how we got.

to the beginning of this,

which is I asked if you remembered who Orlando Cabrera is baseball guy shortstop really good defensive shortstop orlando cabrera won a world series won two gold gloves

smashed up the middle orlando cabrera great diving stop from his knee throws him out oh a sensational play by orlando cabrera

boy it certainly was he realized he had to get rid of it in a hurry so he gets rid of it from the seat of his pants Played for nine teams across 15 years in the major leagues.

And beyond being like a really good defensive goal glove shortstop, was also known for reading books, by the way.

What are you reading now?

I used Phoenix

100 Years of Solitude from Gabregor C.

Marquez.

He's a guy from Colombia.

Okay.

So, you know, I like to be reading stop all the time.

Keeps your mind sharp.

Yeah.

Keeping the mind sharp, baby.

I mean, it's your show.

I'll let you grab this.

No, no, no, no.

We're both driving this together,

Dominique.

You're not leaving me alone in potential shame because I am fascinated by how Orlando Cabrera keeps his mind sharp and his hands soft.

Only one person can leave, Pablo.

See, that might have been part of your problem.

I keep on looking for a partner in crime.

And Dominique, to his credit, was very interested in the revelation that I had found out about this shortstop, which is that first team Orlando Cabrera ever plays for is Montreal Expos.

And what I've learned is, this is multiple people now, this is journalism, is that before every game Orlando Cabrera played, Orlando Cabrera used to walk into this modest storage room off the clubhouse, the Expos clubhouse, inside Olympic Stadium, in solitude, actually, Gabriel Garcia Marquez style.

And,

you know,

he would, you would, he would, he would make some moves from the seat of his pets.

Have you gotten Orlando Cabrera to verify this?

We are actively pursuing Orlando Cabrera.

Well, because I mean, I feel like we should be, we don't have to talk about it because the conversation doesn't have to be about Orlando Cabrera, but that is how we got into it.

But I would feel bad spreading this if it's not something that is actually something that he's okay with owning up to or has, you know.

I have a similar, um, similar inclination, a pang of potential guilt.

Yeah.

But what I am told is that this is not a question.

Oh.

So I want to, I want to, I want to ask you, though, uh, just

as

a former athlete, right?

If you knew that one of your teammates was,

you know, just repeatedly calling for an ISO,

you know, was

perpetually celebrating Palm Sunday.

Was

just taking a self-guided tour.

Okay.

You know?

You empty?

Having a onesome to get empty.

What would you think?

Did this ever happen in your experience playing in the NFL?

I don't know.

I mean, nothing that I knew of.

I wouldn't have any.

So the locker room is a very intimate place.

So like guys would be very comfortable talking about all types of things and doing all types of things that you wouldn't be comfortable with in other situations.

When you go on road trips, particularly locker rooms are very small.

Sometimes the stalls don't have doors on them and stuff.

And like, yeah, people are comfortable doing the things that they have to do.

No one's ever done, been that damn comfortable.

I don't know that anyone does it or does like guys had sex night before games and stuff like that, for sure.

And no one cared.

But yeah, it's not, it never really came up.

It's natural.

It's a thing that everyone likes to do.

I mentioned to Pablo that I had a running joke with one of my friends is that there should be, before you make any major decisions, you should go ahead and get yourself to that state of mind where you are the clearest.

And now for the men who are listening to this show, they know exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't know if women feel the same way, but there's this feeling where you

just see the world more clearly.

And

historically in sports, we've always heard that you should not have sex close to a game

or close to any competition.

It's like an old boxing thing.

Yes.

It's an ancient tradition.

It's in movies.

Yeah.

I mean, you'll only have to go as far as Rocky to find the exact opposite of

Cabreraism.

Let's call it women weaken legs

Yeah, but I really like this girl, you know But let her train you

Okay, no more fooling around

I believe that in boxing an interesting thing has been happening for centuries where even like I remember talking to like the best boxing boxing trainer in the world who is Freddie Roach.

He's coached more world champions than anybody, I believe.

He was ahead of Mayweather Pacquiao that fight.

And abstinence, it's a genuine coaching philosophy that he has for his fighters.

And he talked about just how much he asks of them

when it regards their discipline.

I asked my fighters for 10 days.

When I was a fighter, it was six weeks, okay?

But the thing is, I said, no sex for 10 days.

It'll be just for discipline, all right?

And like the new age guys, right?

Like the influencers, what's crazy about the influencer boxers like Jake Paul is that they, you'd think like, oh, they're not obeying these folk ways.

They've done the same thing.

Like Jake Paul's coach, I was doing my research for this.

And

I have been, it's extensive.

I pulled Google Doc.

They say how much worse Jake Paul is.

after he has sex before sparring.

My coach, BJ, will be like, did you have sex last night?

You can tell without me even saying anything.

He's just slower.

He's not as good.

He's not as quick.

He's not as fierce.

He's not as aggressive.

It's obvious to a guy who's been around boxing for, you know, I'm 42.

I've been around boxing for, you know, 33 years.

So I see it very quickly.

And ancient warriors, they deprive themselves and they sacrifice certain things before they go to battle.

I don't know the exact demographics of the Pablo Torrey Finds Out audience.

I do know that it's not all dudes.

I do want to acknowledge how

unbelievably dudish

my curiosity was at the start.

And so I do feel like it's worth noting that in repudiation of this ancient tradition of warriors in battle is someone like Rhonda Rousey, you know, MMA fighter was a huge deal at one point.

I want to point out that she believes this.

Traditionally in sports, there is a theory that you don't have sex leading up to a contest.

Football, basketball, baseball, save your energy.

You buy into that?

Well,

my godfather is a doctor, and he told me that with men, it does temporarily lower your testosterone, but for women, it raises it.

And so it's actually good for you before competition.

And so I was like, good to know.

Plus, you're so stressed out, and it's a lot of anxiety, you know, leading up to a fight.

So, you know, it helps.

I find it helps.

The fact that there is this active debate about, like, is this

a competitive advantage, Dominique, is where this becomes a sports story to me.

All of this to me is about performance and performance enhancement.

Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me for us to try to figure out the best ways.

And there's nothing, I think, that we feel

that controls us more than like

how you behave in those times and how it impacts the way that you think and operate.

Right.

I mean, we can ostensibly control ourselves.

Right.

Like we began.

Is there another another, like,

bodily function is the wrong thing.

Looking for another masturbation euphemism?

No, no, no.

I'm definitely.

I've had more than enough of that.

I hate that about this episode, but I do think that I

am looking for another like human experience that feels more like all-encompassing.

Like even eating doesn't feel like that.

And that seems very core.

Like, there's nothing else, I think, that.

You feel like your whole body is like sort of like drugs.

Like, it's nothing else that feels like your whole body is involved.

So, like, yeah, it's going to affect the way that you do anything.

Yeah, well, I think that's the point, right?

So, like, underneath all of this, and yes, I'm going to

very awkwardly navigate, grope through the fog of this conversation.

No more puns.

I want to make a case for this concept.

So, we're walking around and we're thinking about Orlando Cabrera.

And we both have that instinct, I think, to

try and understand as opposed to humiliate someone.

And so the case for him led us to this concept.

And the concept is one that both of us knew immediately.

It's something we've talked about previously, if we're being frank with our audience.

But do you remember where you first heard the term?

Because I actually don't remember where I first saw it originate.

You want me to say post-nut clarity?

I just want it to get us both on the record.

Okay.

Like post-nut clarity is a,

it feels like a phenomenon because there is nothing else quite like it.

it's like reverse hulk

and it's like it's different for different men i think probably

but you walk around much of your life feeling like the hulk but you know what sometimes you need bruce banner you need the mild mannered scientists to come out and help guide you through some tough decisions and situations and i think some men can relate that the worst decisions that you have made have been because

you were were

acting like the Hulk.

And not every situation requires Hulk Smash.

Some situations require Bruce Think.

I want to get to the origins of this because post-nut clarity is one of those terms that's just been sort of like hanging out in the back of our heads, so to speak.

And conventionally, it got attributed to,

I don't listen to this podcast.

I wonder if you've ever heard of it.

Call Her Daddy.

Yeah, I've heard of it.

The postnet clarity.

The post.

We've talked about this.

The post-nut clarity is a real thing.

It's after a guy comes and his entire life flashes before his eyes.

Everything becomes crystal clear.

2020 vision.

And he is just like, wow.

And Drake.

Drake.

The rapper?

When Drake is rapping, post-nut clarity, I came to my senses.

This is him, I believe, coming to grips with the man that he just was.

Lil Wayne is in that category, too.

He basically says the same thing.

I like the

philosophers that you are consulting on this.

That's right.

Drake and Wheezy, the whole cash money crew.

What does baby got to say?

Slim?

What does Slim say

about this?

I don't know, Juvie.

Unfortunately,

what I have here is

a different rapper named Uno Deuce One, who wrote an entire song dedicated to this concept.

Wow.

There's more of that for the record.

I mean, I'm disappointed that you did prep me and I couldn't listen to that beforehand because like he went so many different places.

Yes, and landed at good parenting.

Right.

Which is like.

Which is where increasingly I am

regretfully reporting that I also land.

Yeah.

You sort of like stop and you are hit with not just the tasks that you have to do on your to-do list, but also like the things that really matter to you in the clarity.

Yeah.

And you're like, oh, I need to,

I should probably make some changes in my life.

Yeah.

This sort of stew of self-consciousness, right?

If not shame, but just self immediate, sudden onset, what feels like self-awareness, right?

Because for me, it's not Drake, it's not, it's not Lil Wayne, it's not

Uno Deuce One.

It feels like Les Miserables.

What?

Are you familiar with Les Miz?

Oh my gosh, what are you doing?

I'm just saying, lots of people think,

lots of people think that in Les Miserables, Jean-Valjean is singing about the Paris uprising of 1832.

I believe he's singing about what it feels like to look at your browser window right after you finished.

How can I ever face myself again is a feeling that I have felt post-nut.

Oh, gosh.

I think I got to the bottom of this whole thing.

Where we started with

the playlists.

This might be an off-camera conversation.

What, you don't think musicals made their way into most people's sexmusic.tumbler.com rotation?

Maybe people wasn't looking for Les Miz-A-Rab.

Maybe people was looking.

I don't follow.

Okay.

It's possible that

people you know wanted somebody who was listening to stuff about

guns and drugs.

So you clearly haven't seen Les Miserab then because there are a lot of guns.

Stop it, Pablo.

Stop it.

You know what I mean.

Yes.

in everything that I do, I hope it's clear that I've never seen Les Miserables, particularly that.

I would like it to be known.

I want to leave having that be,

I don't want it to come up.

Like the whole date, whatever we're doing, I don't want Les Miserables to come up.

But immediately after, while I'm

in clarity, I want her to be like, oh, I bet this motherfucker ain't never seen Les Miserables.

Postnut Clarity is a sports story.

Okay.

And I'm trying to explain.

I mean, I want to.

This is a sports show.

Absolutely.

Everyone knows that.

Many are saying this is a sports show.

I wanted to give some science to this, though.

Of course you did, lay miser up.

Well, I feel like we need to be a little bit academic about this.

Yeah, I feel like we do also.

It gives us cover for all the other stuff.

Absolutely.

So my dad is a urologist.

Yep.

People may not know that.

If you've not heard of me talk about my dad as a LeBron James of Filipino urologists, that is what I consider him.

Wow.

What did he bring to the game?

He was big on player empowerment.

Okay, good, good, good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, shout out.

Shout out

to the other Pablo Torre.

So when I asked him, I called him up and I was like, and again, this is not easy for me to do because.

Really?

even your own father, you had to especially

to give a sense of how Catholic my family is, me talking to my dad, who is literally a urologist, yeah, that's blowing my mind, is uncomfortable when it comes to the things that you'd expect a urologist to be truly

unconcerned with

on the level of shame.

My dad is totally cool.

Like, no problems talking about that.

But it was you who are uncomfortable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hello.

Hey, Dad.

Yeah.

Hey.

Hey, I'm recording something for my podcast.

Yeah.

Um, do you know what post-nut clarity is?

Yeah.

Post-what?

Post-nut clarity.

Post-net and e-t?

No.

Post-nut clarity.

I don't understand the word.

Yeah, that's what I that's

what I feared.

What?

That's all right.

Okay.

All right.

All good.

Like that.

Bye.

Love you.

Bye.

So what I learned, though, is important because the post-nut clarity phenomenon is seemingly rooted in two theories about how the human body works.

One of them, I think, might be intuitive.

It's simply that an orgasm reduces stress because good hormones get released.

Sounds right.

You know, dopamine, adrenaline, like this is a parallel to like runner's high, which I don't run.

I don't experience that, but I'm told it's cool.

No, it's, yeah, I've experienced both and they seem different though, but I guess there is some clarity in both.

I think that some people say they think in the shower.

I feel like

there's a heart rate where I feel like my brain works better and I have fresher ideas in that space.

And that could be similar to removing the fog of reverse Hulk.

Well, I love, I love a walk.

Yeah.

I mean,

this episode was born

on a walk that we had.

That gets me and my blood flowing.

But the second theory is about actual blood flow.

And this one is the one where I'm like, oh, okay, there's something really happening here.

Because it's about the prefrontal cortex, Dominique.

So it's just that they use big words and you bought it.

Because actually the hormones,

that sounds real too.

There are lots of syllables across all of these theories.

Oh, the more syllables, the more true it feels.

But here's the thing about the prefrontal cortex.

Ooh, say brain names.

Well, it's the part of the brain that regulates executive function.

Okay.

The executive, so to speak, in this, in this imagery, who is controlling impulses, social behaviors,

thoughts.

And when we masturbate,

our blood evacuates the prefrontal cortex.

I imagine this with like alarms going off, you know, like it's like the Death Star or something.

Sirens or claxons are blaring.

Blood evacuates the executive chambers, like the bridge of the star destroyer or whatever.

And this is also speaking to why I am bad at talking about sex.

I'm going to Star Wars metaphors.

It goes down towards the genitals.

Executive function evacuated, blood heading to the genitals.

It results in a slowdown in activity in the prefrontal cortex.

And so when we are done, the blood returns.

And that is clarity.

Right.

Our rational brain starts just humming again.

It's just like you are, which this makes sense.

I think we hyperbolize this a bit,

but it's like, I'm in this state most of the time.

Then you get aroused and you...

And that's when you actually turn into the Hulk and you don't think clearly.

And then the come down from that is just you are returning to your normal state so quickly that you're like, oh, who was that guy where like the the buildup to that is slower you're like you look up and you didn't see yourself become the hulk but you became the hulk and then all of a sudden in a split second you're back to normal which that probably makes more sense than anything and i think it is the speed of it That part feels magical.

Right.

It does.

The fact that it's almost, it's, I mean, literally instantaneous.

Because I think the belief is that you're clearer than you ever are in those moments after.

Yes.

But you're not, not, you're arguing, which I think I agree with, is no, you're not clearer than you ever are.

You just return from fog to clarity in such a rapid motion that you now

appreciate the difference.

Well, I think it's profound.

It's a profound thing that it is not just like an American thought

that post-nut clarity

happens.

The Japanese, my favorite, one of my favorite details about this, the Japanese have a word for this.

It's Kenja Taimu.

Taimu sounds like time.

Time.

Taimu is time.

Kenja, as in Kenja Taimu, Kenja means wise man or philosopher.

So

you nut and it's philosophy time.

And

it's defined, I mean, truly, post-coital clarity, period after orgasm, when a man is free from sexual desire and can think clearly.

So you believe the Japanese in that you can reach some heightened level of clarity that you can't reach any other time.

I believe that we are most enlightened post-nut

because you're isolating, you're removing.

I think you people.

I mean, are we talking pejoratively about horniness, about testosterone in that sexualized way?

Yeah, that's really what the clarity is indicating.

But I mean, I think that we would all agree that I guess eating, aside from eating, for most animals, procreation is like the

strongest impulse.

If you remove that from your brain, is your brain freer to

think clearly?

Yeah, that seems reasonable.

This is a complete tangent, but

Japanese is not like a Latin-based language.

You're stuck on that Taimu thing.

Yeah, Taimu felt like completely inconsistent.

It feels like you, this is some pseudo-research you're doing.

I don't trust Taimu, really?

That's how they say time.

It did occur to me.

I was like, is this, is time really?

I feel like Japanese.

Hold on.

Yeah, I feel like we need to pause to get to the bottom of this.

Is Taimu?

I mean, Japanese is not.

Am I right?

Am I wrong?

All the Western languages that we like,

they're all based on Latin.

You know what?

You know, some pseudo-Japanese.

It's kind of like, it is one of those

English-ified.

Yeah.

Sort of like how in Spanish, blue jeans are los blue jeans.

I think there's some of that happening.

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

So I'm not sure if, like, yeah, ancient samurai were calling post-nut clarity Kenja Taimu.

Okay, cool, well, like, feudal Japan.

I liked it anyway.

It's honestly a good question.

It is philosophy time.

This sounds like a whole nother episode.

This is why you want to have me on all the time.

Well, but your suggestion as to like how people can benefit from this.

Are we helping people now?

The question of what does clarity, what does this clarity, what is PNC, what does that do for us

in our jobs, in our various decisions?

I think that the benefit from this is understanding that PNF exists.

Like, I think that's the, that's the fog.

Yeah.

That's the pre-nut fog.

Yeah.

You can't do anything about the way that you, you work, but you can be aware of it and you can

make others aware of it to the degree that it matters in your behavior.

Right.

Well, look, and I want to be clear about this too.

I think that's fair.

That, you know, I'm not saying that people should be jacking off at work.

They should not be doing that.

Yes, you're, you are absolutely saying that they should not be doing that.

However, if there was a way to make decisions in full clarity, I think I'd want my, I don't know, my pilot

to be a post-nut pilot.

So now I get why you refuse to accept my theory.

It's important that your theory be true so that you can get these jack off stations all around, all around the world.

It's just so you can go in and think clearly.

Because I don't believe that everyone needs to whack off in order to operate at their highest level.

I don't believe in Kenjitaimu.

I don't think that you are in some enlightened state, higher enlightenment.

I think that what you are feeling is the drastic drop from fog to clarity.

And I think when you are,

you might, I would believe that you might be at risk for getting foggier if you are not in that state, but I don't think that you are now clearer.

So like a lot of this portion of this has just been kind of half joking about like post-nut clarity.

And it's a, it's a sensation that I think guys are familiar with, but I think it's probably, it seems to me a bit nonsensical to think that

while you're out there playing baseball or playing any sport, that whatever you did an hour prior or two hours prior

has you in some state of mind that is even calmer or better.

Well, I believe that Kenja Taimu is

something worth chasing if you are flying a plane, if you are writing an email, if you are buying clothes, if you are walking up to the plate with the game on the line, as Orlando Cabrera has repeatedly done.

Wong is ready to pitch on Cabrera.

He lines one in the gap in left center field.

De Bannon scores.

Finley scores.

And Cabrera bangs in two.

The Angels lead for the first time in the Division Series.

It's now 4-2.

Oh, what a clutch hit right there.

Cabrera hits it deep and final left.

Orlando Cabrera is tonight's Red Sox hero.

Walked off home run.

Red Sox win it in the 12-7-6.

Cabrera leading off the bottom of the 10th.

And he drives one deep down the left field line.

God, if it stays fair, it's a home run.

And the Reds win the ball game.

Now the set and the pitch.

Cabrera with a drive.

Deep center field.

It's over Jackson's head, and the Indians win again.

He's got to touch first base.

There he goes.

It's their 12th straight win at home.

And for the second night in a row, they win and walk off fashion as Orlando Cabrera gets mobbed at first.

But he's the guy you wanted at the plate.

That's a guy that I would like to have at the plate.

I've seen him too many times.

You're damn right.

So I...

This is not my show, so I don't care that you tie it up.

Your honor.

And nope, you stop.

Your honor.

You stop.

You can edit it out if you want to, but I demand my time.

This is not my show, so I do not care.

Reclaim your time.

I do not care if you tie it up in a nice, pretty bow the way that you want it to be.

I know that that was meant to prove your case, but I was looking at the scoreboard on those clips.

Yeah, just a series of game winners.

Yeah,

some of them were in the 10th inning.

Yes, and that's the most impressive part of it.

Clutch time.

Clutch time.

I know, but assuming it was before the game, I'm assuming that it's not just before he walks out on the field.

So 30 minutes, hour before the game, that man's refractory period can't be that bad.

Like, what are we talking about?

I guess you could argue that it puts him in the proper state of mind for the beginning of the game and he can do some sort of mental exercises to stay in that game, stay in that state of mind for the entire game.

So you're saying the seventh inning stretch should be something else also?

Stop it.

This is horse shit.

I might have been able to go along with you.

You know where you made your mistake.

You Tymooed me.

That's what I'll, if, if you would have kept it with

Japanese words, I might have believed it because nothing like an ancient Japanese proverb to get people to believe that something is real.

But you hit me with a Taimu.

I was like, what is Taimu?

Your Honor, my perpetually masturbating client is awesome.

I just think it's funny that when I went back to look at like Orlando Cabrera, I was like, oh, okay, he's like not, he's not like a great offensive player.

Didn't hit more than 300 for his career.

Not really that close.

But when the game was on the line, it was Orlando Cabrera timeu.

So how long does Prostnut clarity last for you?

Ooh.

PNC.

I don't know.

I'm PNC.

PNC.

I know.

I feel, I feel gross.

You don't, though.

You're pretending to feel gross.

I know you.

As the son of a urologist, I can report that it probably lasts anywhere between like

five minutes and a couple hours.

Dude, I mean the capacity.

It just feels like you can go and do work.

Yeah, this is, maybe I have a different experience to you.

What's yours?

The clarity is the moments after, the few minutes after, and then I feel normal again.

Yeah, it's not like that

immediate, like

cold water.

Like, oh, wake up.

That's what I got.

Then it's a few minutes after, and then I feel like myself again.

The biggest difference between us on this, clearly, is that your self

PNC

and yourself

pre,

they feel more recognizable to each other than

I think a lot of the internet and me.

Yeah, I think my walk around is

a little cooler than your walk around.

I think generally I got a cooler walk around.

My Hulk and Bruce are closer to each other on the map.

So like you're like smart Hulk or dumb Bruce.

Yeah, my Bruce, my Bruce loves,

he loves just like,

you know, writing emails.

I didn't know where you were going with that.

Me neither.

Yeah, I like where we ended up.

Good old classic Pablo jump pass.

Okay, so at this point, I I did want to point out that I actually did write an email to an expert who is not my dad, or a dude, for that matter.

An expert named Dr.

Rina Malik.

I am a urologist and pelvic surgeon.

So for people who don't know, a urologist is a surgeon and medical doctor of the genitouurinary tract.

So that includes the kidneys, the tubes that drain the kidneys, the bladder, and the genitals for both men and women.

And the good news is that Dr.

Malik has absolutely heard about all of these pregame rituals before.

There's a lot of

mantra of like no sex before a big game, right?

Like, like, you gotta, you gotta avoid sex because it's gonna increase your testosterone, make you more aggressive,

and all that.

But ultimately, in the data, and again, this is not well studied, but in small studies, it has not shown to be truthful in terms of increasing your testosterone.

Now, could it be that you're a little sexually frustrated when you go play a game and that makes you more aggressive?

Sure, it could be.

And some people do find that advantage, but some people like having the routine, right?

If they're someone who has daily sex and you're now taking that out of their routine, that can cause actually worse performance in a game or athletic feat.

I think especially this like, don't have sex before the game day, like it can be really stressful for some people.

And like, it is actually harmful.

Like, if you're, if you're like, oh, God, coach told me not to and I'm like super anxious and stressed and revved up and like, it's not helping me because i go to the game and all i'm thinking about is like you know how i'm so uncomfortable in my own skin which is a great defense of our guy orlando cabrera for the record and ronda rousey too by the way who dominique and i mentioned before who has none of the typical hang-ups about pre-fight sex

But when I asked Dr.

Malik about how women, like Ronda Rousey in specific, fit into this story, what she immediately told me about was a larger issue.

Women are very understudied in terms of science, right?

So, like, if you look up the word penis in the scientific, the PubMed, which is where you look up scientific articles, you're going to get 50,000 results.

If you look up clitoris, you're going to get 2,000.

So, it's significantly understudied.

Which, yeah, sounds like a significant problem.

And so, as to the question of whether women also experience post-nut clarity, I asked Dr.

Malik for her informed opinion.

I think ultimately, yes, they probably do.

And I think certainly there's a number of release of hormones after any sort of climax, and that can be including things that will help you focus.

So I think it really varies person to person, but I would venture to say, yes, that they probably do have post-intercourse or masturbation clarity.

In the spirit of journalistic inquiry, Dominique,

I had to make a call to some other athletes in our focus group who know a little bit something about

being great.

But yeah, so I go to her hotel.

You guys are in for the night.

Big game tomorrow.

Finals.

Sue got none.

Sue got none.

Sue got none.

No.

Maggie was tired.

I was doing a pre-nut clarity.

And it worked.

And it worked.

And I won the World Cup and I was the best player and scored the most goals and took Trump down.

Oh, boom.

that's, I'm just saying, equal pay.

And equal pay.

This is Megan Rapino, if you didn't recognize that voice, sitting next to her fiancé, Sue Bird, two of the greatest athletes in the world.

I think there is something to the

stress relief.

Like

I've even heard, especially with women, like during their menstrual cycle, masturbating is like a

can be like a pain reliever.

I think it does regulate you and put you more in touch with your sort of like own body or whatever it's kind of like can be grounding in terms of like is it going to give you sort of clarity or not i never really i've never heard of that i never heard of that yeah like i've you know had sex four games haven't had sex four games masturbated not like i just feel like it's like whatever yeah i never heard of that

They have great sex, I'm sure.

They're just so like

comfortable with each other.

Yeah, they're just so much cooler than me.

Yeah.

They're so comfortable with each other and comfortable with this conversation.

I see my people when I recognize my people when I see my people.

What?

Good sex havers?

Just people who are confident and comfortable.

It would be ridiculous for us to think that their experience was completely different from ours, but it seems like there's something to it

for them.

Even though she was kind of, it felt like

Megan was dismissing it.

Right.

To some degree, she then went on to kind of explain clearing of mental space and

understanding that it does something to you.

Well, the something, though, where it rises to the threshold of like, this is a clarity, a phenomenon, as opposed to just like, well, now I'm thinking about something else.

That's where I wanted to, again, focus group in this case of two, sample size of two, but I wanted to get into like, okay, how different is it

in terms of what men feel versus what women feel with, you know, Soup?

I feel like women definitely, there,

I'm going to go on a little bit of a limb.

Women in their PNC, I don't know if it's clarity, there is, not generally, that's not how I want to say this, but there has been instances where I've sensed more emotion, like tears or just like emotional moments in that moment.

But again, it's all wrapped up in hormones.

I've never experienced,

yeah, I was going to say, I've never experienced that with a guy.

No guy's ever cried after.

Men and women are so incompatible

in some ways.

Because what she's describing is kind of the opposite.

Right.

You know, like, I mean, I guess to some degree, when you're with someone who you really want to be with, you're like, it's more of a content, but it's not like emotionally moved to tears.

Like, it's not like, oh, my gosh, I love you so much.

It's more like, all right.

Yeah.

That was great, wasn't it?

Accessing feelings, right?

It's interesting.

Like, the clarity is a very clinical idea.

Maybe it's a stretch, but like it does also feel like a clarity.

They've cleaned the windshield or they've removed the fog and they just see something differently or they see something different than what we would see.

Or, you know, it's like it's now clear to see what is most important to you, which is where we kind of started, why you were saying

part of what you

think about is like being a good parent.

Right.

It's like, this is a time where everything is kind of clear in my mind and I can see the things that are most important.

And that's like for you, it's parenting and writing emails, apparently.

But for them, it's their emotional connection, which like as gross as part of this episode has been, like it's, it's beautiful.

Yes.

It's beautiful for them and for anybody who feels that.

I don't know if people listening to this understand how genuinely uncomfortable I have been at times during this episode.

It started with the most earnest of curiosities as to like, Orlando Cabrera

good or bad at his job because he does this thing and then it became a reflection on what it means to be yourself

as as sex is concerned and masturbating is concerned and generally i mean i think

this is called good profile or essay writing pablo like this is this is a thing that's about that pretends to be about this small insignificant thing which is really about like the human experience like isn't that what great award-winning essays are about?

You just made an award-winning podcast, Pablo.

Be proud of it.

Yes.

And also, like, you're getting paid for it, and you also have edit power.

So, if you're uncomfortable with how this went, imagine how I am.

I did this for free, and who knows what parts of this you're going to show.

So, I don't know.

I'm trusting you.

This is called being a friend.

I try to be the best friend that I can be.

I try to be the best analyst I can be.

Try to be the best lover that I can be.

And it's something that you should, I mean, just be the best at everything.

That's all.

What I found out today, Dominique, is that

you really do care about

my pleasure.

You couldn't get out of here with it.

Like, you pretend like you are uncomfortable with all this stuff, but you're really just gross.

And you like to be gross.

Like, I actually...

I'm not uncomfortable with the conversation, but I'm actually a little bit concerned with how it's going to turn out.

You don't give a shit.

You're pretending like you are so that I feel comfortable, but you don't give a shit.

Can we hear Uno Deuce One again?

No, I got nut on my chest.

Embarrassing.

I said, What?

Please don't stare at me.

That's that post not clarity.

Think about world hunger and organized religion.

Also, good parenting.

Dominique Foxworth, one of the best parents and friends that I know and have.

Thank you for going on this Odyssey into the human experience.

You're welcome.

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark media production.

And I'll talk to you next time.