World War Tree: The Agony and the Ecstasy of Competitive Bird-Watching

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Speaker 2 So this is appearance number four for you, Mickey? Fourth time, yeah. It's no exaggeration to say that you are perhaps our most honored and weirdest correspondent.

Speaker 14 I'm going to make some business cards.

Speaker 2 That's flattering. Thank you.
I mean, you've allegedly broken the law for us, sawing down a goalpost. Had to go away after that for a little bit.
You revived your former life as a goth tennis player.

Speaker 2 Also, you literally shoveled for us investigating Nikola Jokic's horse racing obsession. So what have you brought us today?

Speaker 14 So Pablo, we are living in a golden era of side quests.

Speaker 14 Whether it's learning to get fit or hiking up a mountain, learning to play a new instrument, this is a real moment where maybe because work life in 2025 leaves a little bit to be desired, or it just gives us a great excuse to get off of our phones and tablets.

Speaker 14 All of these pastimes are really booming.

Speaker 2 So just to preempt what I think you're about to do here, you're staging an intervention for me.

Speaker 14 Well, I'm worried about you, Pablo. I mean, we've even reached the point where subjects of yours are tweeting that maybe you need a hobby.

Speaker 2 You've also, I think, astutely understood that the best way to get me to do something is to Trojan horse it in the form of an episode of this show.

Speaker 14 But I need a hobby too. So I've brought a solution actually for both of us.
It includes plants, which you love. I do.

Speaker 14 It includes tweeting, and not the tweeting you're kind of thinking, but this kind of tweeting.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 14 Pablo, that song that you just heard, that siren song, is the sound of your

Speaker 14 very own new nemesis bird.

Speaker 2 Okay, so to just understand the concept of the Nemesis bird, which is stunningly not a thing that PTFO correspondent Mickey Duge just made up for us, we do need to go back about six months or so.

Speaker 2 Because Mickey is a very busy and Emmy-nominated documentarian, artist, and animator whose original illustrations you can see as this episode unfolds over on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 But in a rare bit of free time earlier this year, Vicky found himself at a party. A party that can best be described as...

Speaker 2 Elderly. Elderly.
Okay.

Speaker 14 And as the subject of hobbies came up, I was doing my usual,

Speaker 14 I don't have a hobby and I could probably use a hobby.

Speaker 14 Yada yada.

Speaker 14 And as I was doing that, an older gentleman stepped up through the crowd and he was carrying a bottle of wine and he came over to me, topped off my wine glass, and cryptically asked me if I had ever had a nemesis bird.

Speaker 14 And it was like such a spooky moment because he's staring at me.

Speaker 2 At which point, Mickey realized that he wasn't at any old, old person party. He was being watched.

Speaker 2 He was being watched by an increasingly tipsy group of of largely bald and very serious bird watchers.

Speaker 2 The kind of obsessive competitors, in fact, who would argue about records and statistics and asterisks and honor.

Speaker 2 All of which turns bird watching into something like a sport. And so now I'm visualizing, you know, the binoculars, the bucket hat, the bird watching sort of regalia.

Speaker 14 All that gear, that glorious gear. And collectively, they all kind of flocked together

Speaker 14 and started to tell me that having a nemesis bird is actually the most epic side quest you could ever have.

Speaker 2 Because a nemesis bird, it turns out, is a flying Moby dick.

Speaker 2 It is the creature that keeps eluding you.

Speaker 2 And sure, if you only cared about statistics, you could technically just lie and say that you saw your nemesis bird whenever you wanted.

Speaker 2 Because bird watching, not unlike pickup basketball, does rest upon a certain code of honor in self-reporting fouls,

Speaker 2 as it were.

Speaker 2 But the oddest thrill of the chase itself is kind of the whole point of this hobby in the first place.

Speaker 2 You may know where this nemesis bird nests, when it migrates, and yet, despite repeated quests to lay eyes on its feathers, it remains a ghost,

Speaker 2 which is a torture felt by birders of all ages, all across the world,

Speaker 2 as we'll see.

Speaker 14 But sometimes you can still hear it without seeing it, which sounds like it's even more torturous than if you can't see or hear it at all.

Speaker 2 So in that case, this bird is not merely ghosting you, but kind of haunting you.

Speaker 14 Yes, that's the best way to put it.

Speaker 2 And just to be clear about what you're haunting me with already, that sound is the sound.

Speaker 14 I'm not going to reveal too much more about your nemesis at this point because I really want you to come to appreciate the real agony and ecstasy and even almost spiritual religiosity of this practice of birding.

Speaker 14 I've previously spent my life considering bird watching probably to be the lamest of all hobbies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like a lot of our viewers and listeners may be thinking that very same thing to themselves right now.

Speaker 14 Totally. And six months ago, I was right with them before it was kind of my side quest outside of, you know, my old person party.

Speaker 14 And some of these people have traveled the globe to see thousands of birds each. Some have vanished into thin air amidst having a war with other mysterious birders.

Speaker 14 Or else they've spanned decades and continents bushwhacking through rainforests, climbing up active volcanoes, just to see their one single nemesis.

Speaker 2 So I should say that I think I actually, at this point in my life, appreciate bird watching in theory more than you used to.

Speaker 2 I have gone to Central Park, for instance, and like stared up at a tree among other people, looking at Flacco, the now deceased escaped Central Park zoo owl.

Speaker 2 I've seen red-tailed hawks in Washington Square Park attack, you know, squirrels and shit.

Speaker 2 I have been a rubbernecker, if not a watcher. I just didn't realize that today, apparently, I would get, to mix the metaphors here, a personal white whale.

Speaker 14 You will come to appreciate things like this. So this sound.

Speaker 2 Which the more I hear it feels like a crowd at a baseball game, sort of like building an applause to root on a pitcher.

Speaker 14 So that sound, Pablo, is actually the mighty tail swish of the roughed grouse.

Speaker 2 Okay, I see you're doing, okay, we're doing the David Attenborough thing now.

Speaker 14 And that, Pablo, is actually a close relative of the longtime nemesis of just one of the many birders that I met for you.

Speaker 16 My name is Sharon Steitler, and I'm known online as Bird Chick.

Speaker 14 And Sharon described to me the satisfaction of finding your nemesis as being this kind of ecstatic experience.

Speaker 16 So when you do finally see a bird that you've been looking for, it's a dopamine rush. It is a high.
I mean, I get the sensation in my chest and it is, it's up there with like

Speaker 16 having a 16-year-old scotch or, you know, a really amazing orgasm. I mean, it's just actually, I kind of describe my perfect day as getting the trifecta of birding, bike riding, and banging.

Speaker 16 If I can have that,

Speaker 16 that is a perfect day.

Speaker 2 Shout out to Sharon. Shout out to Bird Chick.
This, by the way, is the, this is the big, beautiful bill I was hoping for. Birding, bike riding, and banging.

Speaker 14 It's the much better BPP for all the obvious reasons.

Speaker 14 So Sharon's search for her nemesis bird, the spruce grouse, coincided with a period of time in her life where she was also going through a divorce.

Speaker 16 So right before the pandemic, my marriage ended and I went a little wild. And some people were talking to me about showing me Spruce Grouse.
And

Speaker 16 the adult son of a friend of mine was like, Sharon, I'd really like to help you find it.

Speaker 16 And thinking about the other person, I just said to myself, I was like, I wonder if I just started like offering like, I don't know, blowjobs for a spruce grouse, if that would be a good dating strategy.

Speaker 16 And so I was just thinking out loud, I'm single now. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 You know, what I'm finding out today is that somehow the bird watching episode is also the most explicit one we may have done to date.

Speaker 14 So Sharon actually gets in so deep that she starts dating a guy who actually has the same nemesis bird as her.

Speaker 2 A tale as old as time.

Speaker 16 You're just like, okay, the world's falling apart, but we're going to get a spruce grouse.

Speaker 14 While biking alone in Alaska,

Speaker 16 I see this dark blob in the road moving and swishing its tail, and I just knew. And I gasped and I stopped, and I tried to untangle myself.

Speaker 14 She tries to untangle from her bike. Her bike falls over.

Speaker 16 I'm trying to set up my spotting scope that I had in my bike paneer,

Speaker 16 and I'm on the ground.

Speaker 14 She manages to take what she calls a craptastic video.

Speaker 18 Oh my god, there's a second one coming in.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 He calls her. a good ball.

Speaker 2 What's funny about that video is that the Blair Witch style narration belies the absolute focus and clarity that we get on this video, which we're showing on YouTube, by the way, of the bird.

Speaker 2 You can very clearly, I mean, Mickey, and it is, it's a big, beautiful bird.

Speaker 14 It's presenting, it's swishing its tail feathers.

Speaker 2 It has like a red sort of like crown deal on the top.

Speaker 14 It's really puffed up and strutting its stuff.

Speaker 14 So Sharon describes this moment almost like seeing a celebrity, like seeing George Clooney.

Speaker 16 Somebody might get super excited seeing George Clooney walk down the street. It's fun, be cool, be cool, don't freak out.

Speaker 16 Because if you freak out, the bird's going to freak out, the bird's going to go away. You want to stay here and you want to watch it.
You don't want the bird to think you're a weirdo.

Speaker 14 She describes it as a top five life moment.

Speaker 14 So, just to complete the picture here, here's a photo of Sharon right after seeing the Spruce Grouse.

Speaker 2 So what you see as she's wearing her bike helmet and her sunglasses is her celebrating, pumping her fist into the sky, framed by evergreens, as if she just scored the game winner in the World Cup.

Speaker 14 Just look at the ecstasy, Pablo.

Speaker 2 It is, dare I say, an orgasmic level of satisfaction.

Speaker 14 And given that, I mean, don't you wish that was you?

Speaker 2 So, one big thing that Sir David Attenborough will not tell you, as much as I love the BBC documentary Planet Earth, is that the world of birding has been shaken by a lot more than merely the tremors of the human orgasm.

Speaker 2 It has been overwhelmed by technology and electrified by a civil war for its soul.

Speaker 2 But before we continue this parade of competitors whose eccentricities will truly rival those of the birds themselves, you should know that in the United States, the bird started going from something to be shot and worn to something to be watched and counted, not that long after the actual Civil War,

Speaker 2 around the late 1800s.

Speaker 14 A much more humane brand of birding emerged. An ornithologist named Florence Bailey wrote a series of books and field guides aimed more towards an amateur audience.

Speaker 14 And the most famous of these books was a book called Birds Through an Opera Glass.

Speaker 2 And an opera glass, for the record, is like a pair of kids' binoculars with a stick.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and they're, you know, things that kind of the upper class use when they go to performances.

Speaker 2 These are golden.

Speaker 14 But moving from the scope of a rifle to opera glasses brought a totally different enthusiast into the world of birding.

Speaker 2 And in 1901, thanks to the work of an enthusiast and ornithologist named Edmund Sellis over in England, The term bird watching was hatched.

Speaker 14 He, like other ornithologists, would also kill birds to study them. But then Dr.
Sellas had this epiphany.

Speaker 14 On June 23rd, 1899, at precisely 3.15 in the afternoon, he began to watch a pair of Eurasian night jars.

Speaker 14 The night jar, as Dr.

Speaker 14 Sellas wrote in issue 699 of the Zoologist, quote, harmonizes to absolute perfection with the sandy ground, dry sticks, and pieces of fir tree bark amongst which it so often lays its eggs.

Speaker 14 I once belonged to this great poor army of killers, but now that I've watched birds closely, the killing of them seems to me as something monstrous and horrible.

Speaker 14 So the last century of birding has actually been really, really interesting.

Speaker 14 What started as just a really scientific study or just this hobby of rich people has increasingly become more and more of an everyman's everyman's activity.

Speaker 2 I mean it is even popular, it turns out, among your balding friends at the old person party.

Speaker 14 Absolutely. And

Speaker 14 contrary to popular belief, it's not just popular among the hairless, as I discovered when I met the man that they call birding Jesus.

Speaker 14 Is it okay if occasionally I call you Jesus?

Speaker 17 If you would like to, yes, I have no qualms with that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 This is not an exaggeration if you are not watching on youtube this man looks like jesus if he loved birds and also had a perm

Speaker 14 so birding jesus uh aka charles clarkson is the director of avian research for the audubon society of rhode island and someone who also runs like a very successful bird touring company.

Speaker 14 Charles told me that the barrier to entry is so low nowadays that birding, as a hobby even, contributes $300 billion in revenue to the United States.

Speaker 2 $300 billion?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And that over a million people are employed in the American birding industry.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I am inordinately happy to sit and watch one of the most common species for hours just do its thing so I can better appreciate its behavior, its evolutionary history.

Speaker 17 And so one of the biggest things for me that brings me great joy is when I go to the tropics, these incredibly speciose countries where you've got thousands of species present, to have a client of mine who's on one of my tours see these really charismatic, beautiful birds that I've seen thousands of, but to see one right in front of them and then to see the look on their face and to hear the, oh my God, that comes out of their mouth when they see this bird is just such a rewarding and amazing experience to me that that just, you know, it's a kind of a cup overflow moment for me.

Speaker 17 My quest is to make make sure that I can, prior to my death, captivate as many other people as possible with the beauty of nature and the mystery of humanity.

Speaker 14 So I spoke to a few romantics like this who commented on like the always-on quality of birding. So when you're commuting to work, you could be birding.

Speaker 14 If you're smoking a cigarette on your lunch break back behind the restaurant, you could be birding. One of my spiritual new friends actually called it a, quote, lifetime scavenger hunt.

Speaker 14 But there are others.

Speaker 14 There's a subset of birders who get way more hardcore and competitive about it, keeping elaborate lists on birding apps and trying to stay atop these leaderboards of like, who's got the most birds seen in their life?

Speaker 2 So these are the volume shooters. Totally.

Speaker 14 Yeah, total volume shooters. And these people are known as big listers because all of people will log their life lists, usually on websites or apps.

Speaker 14 The biggest app is an app out of Cornell called eBird, which is sort of like the Wikipedia Meets JSTOR for birding.

Speaker 14 It's moderated by volunteers, and also the data is kept for scientific purposes.

Speaker 14 So, you know, you log in, you log your geolocated checklist, and you can be sure that it's safeguarded along with like half a billion other sightings that this digital community has pulled together.

Speaker 14 But you should know that Birding Jesus has a problem with eBird.

Speaker 17 I think it has helped to lower that barrier. But eBird is also largely responsible for the gamification of birding.

Speaker 17 You know, this is an app that creates leaderboards where people can compare themselves and their bird lists to the lists that other people have submitted.

Speaker 17 And that does tend to kind of expose that dark underbelly of competition where people are acting in their own self-interest and they have this singular mission which is to best the other competitors this is beyond david adenborough now this is get i mean this is getting a little real according to burning jesus you have no idea

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Speaker 2 So, bird watching, very possibly an actual sport. And as I realize now that this is also clearly a story about the humans involved, that I need to know who the f my nemesis bird is.

Speaker 2 Who is the official nemesis bird if Pablo Torre finds out?

Speaker 14 Well, I haven't told you because

Speaker 14 I haven't introduced you yet to the absolute goat of birding. The former senior inspector for the U.S.
State Department is this guy named Peter Kasner.

Speaker 19 Does it work better with the reading glasses or not?

Speaker 14 I would say without, just because it has some shine.

Speaker 19 Okay. My name is Peter Kasner.

Speaker 2 So the greatest birdwatcher alive is an actual spy.

Speaker 14 Not a spy, but Inspector Keisner did tell me that he's not a spy, but he's an inspector. That after 36 years working in the Foreign Service, living in places from Afghanistan to India.

Speaker 19 I was in a fairly high stress business as a diplomat, and I found that whether I was dealing with a plane crash or visiting an American in jail or talking to a family of a deceased American, getting out in nature was just a wonderful way to disconnect, to refresh, to re-energize my spirit and

Speaker 19 just enjoy.

Speaker 2 So just as a matter of scouting here, what makes Inspector Kaisner the GOAT?

Speaker 14 So Inspector Kaisner is the world's preeminent big lister.

Speaker 19 I am kind of crazy about numbers.

Speaker 19 I have always had a real connection with numbers and I don't know why. If I'm tuning tuning a radio and the proper volume is at number 13, I'll change it to 15 or 10 or 12 because

Speaker 19 I can't have it stop on a prime number.

Speaker 19 It's just not right.

Speaker 19 It's got to be an even number. It's got to be divisible by five.

Speaker 19 10, I mean, 10 would be perfect. So, I mean, it's just an affliction that I have, but to me, 10,000 is like the ultimate.
And it's interesting because

Speaker 19 it's resonated a lot in the birding community. I think a lot of people see that as not the holy grail, but certainly

Speaker 19 an almost unattainable

Speaker 2 goal.

Speaker 2 10,000?

Speaker 2 Like, we should just do the math here for a second because how old, Mickey, is Inspector Kaisner?

Speaker 14 Inspector Kaisner is 72 years old.

Speaker 2 Okay, so let me just do some math here, right?

Speaker 18 It says 72,365.

Speaker 2 All right, so we're looking at 26,298 days.

Speaker 14 Oh, and also he said that he started burning at four years old.

Speaker 2 Sorry, so take that out. Excuse me, yeah, 365, that was four minus that.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Taking out 1,461. Inspector Kaisner

Speaker 2 has spent... 24,837 bird-watching days on Earth, which means that 10,000.
I mean,

Speaker 2 he's saying that he intends to see a new bird species every other day for the span of his entire life,

Speaker 2 which seems, needless to say, impossible.

Speaker 14 It does, but you got to realize that this guy is in the Guinness Book of World Records. He was the first person to see an example of every single bird family in the wild.

Speaker 14 And he's also like the only recreational birder who's ever discovered an actual new species of bird. He discovered this bird called the Cundina Marca ant pitta in Colombia.

Speaker 2 What is the all-time scoring list? What does that ranking actually look like?

Speaker 14 So you should know that a life list that is over 8,000 species is considered like insane. There's a list with only 32 people on it that have ever gotten that number.

Speaker 14 And only 10 people all-time have ever had lists over 9,000.

Speaker 2 And so the all-time record is what then?

Speaker 14 So it was thought before Inspector Kaisner came along that the all-time long list record belonged to this British-Canadian guy named Philip Rostron. He's got a list that has 9,763 on it.

Speaker 14 And Inspector Kaisner was climbing the list through eBird, which again is the Wikipedia of bird watching MeepJStore.

Speaker 14 With the community of scientists who are monitoring, you know, the progress. But the inspector also used a separate website called Igoterra, which is kind of more of like an IMDb.

Speaker 2 Which is a less academic fact-checking.

Speaker 14 There's more species available. So Inspector Kaisner, he made a pretty big deal out of it in the birding community.

Speaker 19 I had it all planned out. I was going to do it.
My 10,000th bird was going to be a wonderful thing called a tufted puffin, which he would get on U.S.

Speaker 14 soil.

Speaker 19 And Oregon standing on U.S. soil.
I mean, this is going to be the best.

Speaker 14 After going to 195 countries and territories.

Speaker 19 And then all of a sudden.

Speaker 14 Then came along Dr. Jason Bourne.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I mean, Dr.

Speaker 14 Jason Mann.

Speaker 2 Oh. Jason Mann.

Speaker 19 This Jason Mann shows up and he's almost behind me.

Speaker 2 Who the f is Dr. Jason Mann?

Speaker 14 So Dr. Mann, as far as I can tell, is an American healthcare investor who's living abroad in Hong Kong.
And he'd been logging his bird sightings on this other

Speaker 14 less popular birding website called surfbirds.com.

Speaker 14 So out of nowhere, Dr. Mann's list pops up on Igoterra, which is a legit site and where Inspector Kaisner had been climbing gradually the leaderboard past the 9,000 mark.
When Dr.

Speaker 14 Mann shows up, suddenly he's right there and he's got over 9,000 as well.

Speaker 2 So, what you're telling me is that this is the real-life Dragon Ball Z meme, in which a guy has a power meter and he's saying it's over 9,000.

Speaker 2 It's over 9,000! What? 9,000?

Speaker 2 That is literally what's happening now. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 And like, the race was up.

Speaker 19 I became aware that Jason Mann had moved his list to Igotera

Speaker 19 and that he was only 50 birds behind me. I said, holy moly, this guy has caught up 300 birds in three months.

Speaker 19 That's a little unusual. So since I had put my plans out there, I snuck off.
to Taiwan and I really absolutely snuck off. I didn't tell anybody I was going except for one guy.
In fact,

Speaker 19 I'm not sure I should say this in public, but I kept birding in eBird as if I was in my backyard while I was in Taiwan.

Speaker 19 I have a...

Speaker 19 a streak of like 7,000, 8,000 days in a row that I've done eBird checklists.

Speaker 19 And people actually follow me and they say, oh yeah, well, I see your e-birding in Florida or I see your e-birding Malaysia, whatever. So I kept e-birding in my backyard

Speaker 19 and I didn't put the birds in in Taiwan until I left Taiwan. And then I erased all the erroneous data and replaced it with the Taiwan data because I didn't want anybody to know I was there.

Speaker 2 Try not to read between the lines of Inspector Kaisner. He's alleging that something

Speaker 2 nefarious, something maybe a little dishonest, may be afoot.

Speaker 14 I mean, the race to 10,000 at this point goes full cloak and dagger, with each man crisscrossing the globe in this high-stakes pursuit to reach the finish line first.

Speaker 2 Right. Now I have Maguire and Sosa.
Now I have the two of them like barnstorming around the world, competing, keeping up with each other.

Speaker 14 In this world, it was that big. So Dr.
Mann is in Colombia, where there are tons of species of birds. So Dr.
Mann takes the lead when he's there in Colombia. Inspector Kaisner sees this.

Speaker 14 He decides to go from Taiwan to the Philippines.

Speaker 2 Well, hello, Inspector Keisner.

Speaker 14 And then on February 9th, 2024.

Speaker 19 I just posted a photograph of myself in the back of my camera showing the orange-tufted spider hunter with a little sign saying 10,000.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 2 that was it.

Speaker 2 So this is where birding, big listing becomes actual sports. He's doing the Will Chamberlain thing.
Totally. He has his big round number.

Speaker 14 And he looks so happy in the photo, too. So the inspector posts these photos everywhere.
He puts them on I Goterra. He posts on eBird.
He posts on Facebook. This is top moment for him.

Speaker 14 And it seems like Inspector Kastner has won this epic race.

Speaker 2 But then

Speaker 14 it actually comes out that Dr. Mann had actually done his own post just 12 hours before.

Speaker 2 12 hours?

Speaker 14 Claiming that actually he was the first to 10,000.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. So Dr.
Man's production values here seem to be even greater than Inspector Kaysner because he has

Speaker 2 graphically edited like digital medallion he's given himself in gold where it it says 10k and it has lifetime birds underneath. Is that fake? Did he put fake confetti, like golden confetti?

Speaker 2 He's like sweaty in a jungle, but he's like superimposed confetti. And it says new world record, Jason Mann, and has a little illustrated bird on the side.

Speaker 14 This is his trophy for the world.

Speaker 2 And the reaction is what?

Speaker 14 So Inspector Kasner says that with these things happening at the same time, after

Speaker 19 a, you know, a lifetime of nobody ever coming close to 10,000 and two people doing it and claiming it on the same day is just nuts. And

Speaker 19 the birding world exploded. It really did.

Speaker 2 It's a little suspicious. Dr.
Mann,

Speaker 2 is he legit? Like,

Speaker 2 what do you think? What do you know?

Speaker 14 So Dr. Mann did not respond to many texts and emails that we sent him over the last few months.
And he keeps like a very low profile online.

Speaker 14 He even took down a bunch of his LinkedIn profile after we initially reached out to him.

Speaker 2 So I'm now just like, I'm doing some just cursory research into Dr. Mann.
And there's this thread on

Speaker 2 birdforum.net. It's a comment thread.

Speaker 2 And the quote, I think, says what many viewers and listeners might be thinking: quote, either this guy is the luckiest birder alive, having rediscovered several lost species, or his list is not to be trusted.

Speaker 2 End quote.

Speaker 14 Yeah, so a lot of the species that Dr. Mann had on his Igotera list did raise eyebrows.

Speaker 14 Inspector Kaisner said that it would be headline news, for example, to see or hear a bird as rare as the new Caledonian night jar.

Speaker 2 You'll remember

Speaker 14 from the great epiphany of 1899 in issue 699 of The Zoologist, the Song of the Night Jar.

Speaker 2 But this is no ordinary night jar, Pablo.

Speaker 14 The new Caledonian night jar has not been seen on Earth since 1939.

Speaker 2 Which is all to say, I suppose, that if you had in fact found such a night jar,

Speaker 2 you would not bury it on your list. You'd be shouting this from the rooftops.

Speaker 14 Or treetops, for sure.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at just

Speaker 2 the other pages available available to me on birdforum.net.

Speaker 2 And here's the quote from one of the pages. Jason Mann reports several dozen extremely fishy species that, besides him, no one has claimed to have seen for decades.

Speaker 2 Some occur only in war regions, on islands that can only be visited by scientists, on remote mountains that can only be accessed via helicopter.

Speaker 2 These include the following near-mythical species: the bare-legged swiftlet,

Speaker 2 The buff-breasted saber wing.

Speaker 14 The buff-breasted buttonquail.

Speaker 2 The scaled flower piercer.

Speaker 14 The Sulawesi woodcock.

Speaker 2 The Papuan whipbird.

Speaker 14 The Taliabu bush warbler.

Speaker 2 The Kangian

Speaker 2 tit babbler.

Speaker 14 The black throat, of course.

Speaker 2 This now is like an NC17 rated bird watching episode.

Speaker 14 Oh, and we haven't even gotten to a very important birding term.

Speaker 2 What term have we somehow not gotten to yet?

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Speaker 14 So we all know that you get your ecstasy from competition. But let's recall that before we got distracted by the dirty birdie names here, that our friend Charles.
Birding Jesus.

Speaker 14 Right, Birding Jesus, mentioned that big listers actually represent the dark underbelly of birding and kind of like the gamification of what should be a spiritual experience. So I got Charles to

Speaker 14 talk about this race to 10,000. And Jesus got angry, Pablo.

Speaker 17 I can't fathom the idea. of spending large sums of time and money to go to some faraway location only to

Speaker 17 zoom around the country in a very short period of time, jumping in and out of cars just to see one bird, check it off a list, get back in the car and drive to another location.

Speaker 17 There's nothing else that for me personally is as impressive as the lords of the air flying all over our planet. And so they've always been a source of my motivation.

Speaker 17 And in many ways, they are a pretty consistent source of my happiness. viewing them as a source of competition, you know, even on a personal level to try to set a goal of seeing X number of species.

Speaker 17 And to me, that's kind of the antithesis of why I love birds.

Speaker 2 The lords of the air being the birds and not the people.

Speaker 14 So consider the nemesis bird, Pablo. It's not about finding it or not, even though it seems to be.

Speaker 14 It's really about the search, investigating, interrogating, noticing things, being out of cell phone service, to not be immersed in cyberspace, but actually be immersed in reality.

Speaker 14 And after doing that, you can witness these like small, majestic miracles. So, I mean, you're probably tweeting right now.

Speaker 2 I have multiple tabs open for the record.

Speaker 14 But to hear Jesus tell it,

Speaker 14 for a birdwatcher to actually successfully find their personal nemesis bird, you almost have to put yourself in like a sensory deprivation chamber

Speaker 14 for your soul.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm closing, closing my other tabs.

Speaker 14 So, Birding Jesus' longtime nemesis bird was the rufous vented ground cuckoo, which is known as the ghost of the forest for being really one of the most elusive birds on earth.

Speaker 14 They spend their time chasing ant swarms through the jungles of Panama and Colombia. And there are all sorts of birds and other organisms that use them as a food source.

Speaker 14 So after 30 trips down to the jungle over, you know, 10 years, as Charles was walking by himself through the jungle, he heard the call of an oscillated ant bird.

Speaker 14 He refers to this call as the holy grail of ant bird calls because those birds only really hang around the most massive ant ant swarms.

Speaker 17 And so, you know, my heart rate went up and the swarm seemed to be a few hundred meters off the trail, so I plunged headlong, bushwhacking into the rainforest as I typically do.

Speaker 17 As I transitioned from this very high light environment, I had to let my eyes adjust to this low light environment. I started seeing more and more birds.
I would see wood creepers.

Speaker 17 I would see flycatchers. There were toucans on the ground, mot mots in the trees, ant birds, and they were all kind of profiting from this army ant swarm, which was absolutely massive.

Speaker 17 And it just sounded like it was pouring rain because of all of the ants kind of scouring through the leaf litter.

Speaker 17 And as I was kind of surveying the scene, I saw this blur of this bird that just disappeared over the hilltop.

Speaker 17 And based on its jiz, which is a birding term that refers to general impression of shape and size, everything about this bird screamed Rufus Bennett Brown cuckoo.

Speaker 2 So my heart absolutely stopped.

Speaker 14 And yes, in case you were wondering, Jesus wept.

Speaker 2 Yes, well, yes,

Speaker 17 I did have tears in my eyes. It wasn't a nemesis bird of mine because it was a bird I wanted to check off a list.

Speaker 17 I was just absolutely captivated, enamored, fascinated by this group of birds that have evolved this incredibly unique lifestyle.

Speaker 17 This one individual would then choose to spend an hour and a half in close proximity to a human was just, I felt a very special experience.

Speaker 17 So after a while, I called my wife and I whispered to her as I was kind of sobbing, you know, I found my bird. I'm staring at a Rupa's Bedded Grand Cuckoo right now.

Speaker 17 It's just a few hundred feet away from me.

Speaker 17 To which she responded, That is so wonderful. I'm so happy for you.
I'm going in the Home Depot.

Speaker 2 I'll call you later.

Speaker 14 So, the question now, Pablo, is:

Speaker 14 Are you a believer?

Speaker 2 I could not be,

Speaker 2 yeah, more subscribed to the religiosity that you have brought me here.

Speaker 14 All right, so I asked Birding Jesus himself to help us choose the official Pablo Torre finds out nemesis bird. And he had looked at some charts and lists on your behalf.

Speaker 14 He considered a couple of wood warblers for you, like the oven bird. Charles also liked a bird called the American Red Start.
It has big orange spots.

Speaker 14 But we thought maybe that was a little too trumpy for Morning Joe Pablo.

Speaker 14 But then Birding Jesus settled on your nemesis, which is

Speaker 2 the northern perula. The northern perula.

Speaker 14 Beautiful bird.

Speaker 14 Pretty small bird.

Speaker 2 A beautiful yellow belly.

Speaker 14 That's technically called its bib.

Speaker 2 Pablo? It's bib. All right.

Speaker 14 Noted. They tend to live in the Caribbean, but they fly up to eastern North America to nest at this time of year, which is migration season.

Speaker 2 Its song? Can we play that one more time?

Speaker 14 So, Charles told me that the song of the northern perula is actually so high-pitched that people that start to lose their hearing lose the ability to detect your nemesis bird's song.

Speaker 2 Which feels like a bit of a metaphor that I am unable to currently translate fully.

Speaker 14 It's a young man's bird, Pablo. Right.
A thinking man's bird.

Speaker 2 And so, uh,

Speaker 2 what do I do? What do we do?

Speaker 14 So, Charles told me that of all places, the birding mecca is really Central Park.

Speaker 2 We're going to go to Central Park now. You want to take me to Central Park?

Speaker 2 We're going.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 let me just ask you this: what other kind of reporting could deliver a transcendent orgasmic moment of joy?

Speaker 2 And, Pablo,

Speaker 14 Jesus has risen. Please meet Birding Jesus.

Speaker 14 Hello.

Speaker 2 There he is. How are you?

Speaker 2 What the f is happening?

Speaker 2 So if you're not watching on our YouTube channel right now, what is happening is that we are being called to gather our gear by birding Jesus.

Speaker 15 Because my wife is Catholic.

Speaker 2 She hates that you guys are calling me this. Catholic.
It's something more Catholic than Harrison.

Speaker 2 And so we followed him out of our studio and toward the elevator here at Meadowlark Media. It does occur to me that Meadowlark is named after a bird.

Speaker 17 It is one of the most imperiled birds in all of North America.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 17 Yep, 75% of the entire population has disappeared since 1956.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's how that. And what's the.

Speaker 2 It's a grassland. And it turned out that I had a lot of questions for our guide, whose government name, once again, is Charles Clarkson, about New York City's whole birding ecosystem.

Speaker 2 What's your sense of like a red-tailed hawk eating a rat at an eating point?

Speaker 2 As we began descending into the subway, I couldn't help but feel this burning desire,

Speaker 2 a deep, almost primordial urge to turn this episode into a nature documentary.

Speaker 2 And yes,

Speaker 2 to hire David Attenborough.

Speaker 2 The North American podcaster.

Speaker 2 A modern species of extreme abundance.

Speaker 2 One defined as much by its curiosity as by its tweets.

Speaker 2 An exotic subspecies, however,

Speaker 2 known as the Filipino American Podcaster, or FAP for short, has become increasingly difficult to find outside of the studio and out in the wild.

Speaker 2 But all of that changes.

Speaker 2 as we land

Speaker 2 on planet Pablo

Speaker 2 This afternoon the podcaster has camouflaged himself swapping out the trademark blue cardigan of the species for the cheap blue vest of the common birder.

Speaker 2 Our rare sighting begins during spring migration outside the American Museum of Natural History. You see that?

Speaker 2 So we have the pigeons

Speaker 2 with a hawk on top of an eagle behind it.

Speaker 2 Before long, the podcaster ventures into Central Park.

Speaker 2 Also known as the Madison Square Garden of Bird Watching.

Speaker 2 a veritable mecca,

Speaker 2 even if one of its most colorful residents is a Baltimore Oriole.

Speaker 2 I guess it makes sense for a show that is definitely a sports show to see the mascot of an actual sports team.

Speaker 2 The obsessive Filipino American podcaster travels in a flock, most often with an extraordinarily endangered breed,

Speaker 2 the freelance reporter.

Speaker 14 When you said that the parallel might be watching us, I thought about Predator. Oh, yeah.
You know, hiding and lathered in mud.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's what we got to do.
And we are doing that, technically.

Speaker 2 And on this day, they are guided by a true wonder of nature. Indeed, a mythological creature

Speaker 2 who simply goes by the name of Birding Jesus.

Speaker 17 So American Robins are singing. Yeah, we've got some vocal activity.

Speaker 2 American Robins are getting loved on this kind of home. I just point to my ear and suddenly Birding Jesus is like, that's an American robin.
The podcaster is jubilant. This is a great friend to have.

Speaker 2 Definitely.

Speaker 17 Yeah, everybody needs a birding friend, I think.

Speaker 2 Suddenly, the freelance reporter sniffs out a lead.

Speaker 14 So you were saying that kind of the migration period is wider.

Speaker 17 Most of the time males arrive on territory prior to females so that they can compete with one another for access to a territory procedure.

Speaker 2 But the obsessive fap,

Speaker 2 having become perhaps unaccustomed to the great outdoors,

Speaker 17 provide the pending females with all the resources they need to build an ass seems on this day to have become particularly distracted.

Speaker 17 And then assess the quality of the male based on the territory he was able to procure. Show me what you got.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 So the pending females is also a good band name, by the way. The podcaster, hungrier than ever for content and thirsty as they come, seeks his prey.

Speaker 2 The name of my nemesis bird is the Northern Paralla.

Speaker 17 The Northern Paralla, that's correct.

Speaker 2 The Northern Paralla. So driven is he by the algorithm.

Speaker 17 Last year, there was one documented right here in the Ramble.

Speaker 17 So we are still within the realm of possibilities of finding a Northern Paralla.

Speaker 2 But the podcaster will stop at nothing.

Speaker 2 We will find them. Who will? Wherever they may be hiding.
Even.

Speaker 17 The caveat here is they, you know, they weigh as little as five grams, which is

Speaker 2 at the incontrovertibility

Speaker 17 and pick out the movements of birds that are moving around in a canopy that's being pelted with rain.

Speaker 2 Of the elements.

Speaker 17 Nobody said this quest was going to be easy. That's right, and it shouldn't be.
This is a nemesis bird.

Speaker 2 Nothing can stop the podcaster. But here's the thing about a nemesis bird.
And his very own brand. We have not seen the nemesis bird yet.
Of climax. But the nemesis bird also hasn't seen us.

Speaker 2 Canada goose. Canada goose.

Speaker 15 Yeah, Canada goose. Canada goose.

Speaker 14 Wait, the jacket or the bird?

Speaker 17 There's a northern cardinal making a chip note behind us. Over here.

Speaker 17 You're hearing far more than you're seeing. So boning up on the vocalizations of birds is an absolute essential aspect of data collection or bird watching in general.

Speaker 2 I've been stunned by the amount of boning that goes on in the bird watching community in general.

Speaker 17 I'm sure, yeah, it's a Randy sport.

Speaker 2 It is a romantic

Speaker 2 pastime. Yeah, and even like the rain,

Speaker 2 the wetness.

Speaker 2 The podcaster is distracted. The clouds sort of shrouding, hiding, but also revealing.

Speaker 15 It's very beautiful.

Speaker 2 Which is precisely the point. As if it's pulling up a stocking on the skyscrapers of New York.
Of bird watching.

Speaker 2 Beginning to get it. Yeah, yeah.
Kind of beginning to get it.

Speaker 2 Instead of podcasting.

Speaker 2 I've greatly enjoyed this.

Speaker 2 Even though we have come up very empty and very wet.

Speaker 2 The Northern Parallel has evaded us,

Speaker 2 but I don't want to give up yet.

Speaker 17 Could, and you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 It has been, as the Filipino-American podcaster himself might say, an exclusive skeleton key for a time machine into the creminology of what you might call the last American monoculture, with nothing less at stake than the very nature of nature itself.

Speaker 2 What I've found out is that even though I've gained a nemesis, I've also gained a friend.

Speaker 17 Thank you for birding, Jesus. You're very welcome.
I'm so happy that I could facilitate this very wet day in the park.

Speaker 14 Before we go though, I have a very New York City way of us continuing our quest.

Speaker 14 I've put together

Speaker 2 a series of flights.

Speaker 2 Have you seen this bird with a black and white photo of the northern parallel?

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 I think we should hang it up.

Speaker 2 Oh, and you have the tearaway tads at the bottom, 51385 Pablo. That is actually our hotline.

Speaker 14 Put that up

Speaker 14 like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 51385 Pablo, the Northern Kingbird need not apply.

Speaker 2 We're coming for you.

Speaker 2 Emphasis on

Speaker 17 coming.

Speaker 2 Is that too much?

Speaker 2 That a little much?

Speaker 19 No comment.

Speaker 2 It's your show.

Speaker 2 But first,

Speaker 2 Pearl Jam.

Speaker 2 Sorry, is this. have I have I got the wrong program?

Speaker 2 Slightly confused.

Speaker 2 And that, for the record, was not the real David Attenborough. It was actually some guy named Guy.

Speaker 2 And you can find Guy over on cameo.com slash a voiceover guy UK.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 this has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Metal Arc media production aimed after one of the most imperiled birds in all of North America. And we will hopefully talk to you next time.

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