Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory (PTFO Vault)

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Speaker 1 When you heard from us, Gary Pomerance, that we wanted to do this topic

Speaker 1 because of what people had been saying on the internet, were you excited?

Speaker 30 My intuitive reaction was, here we go again. My second reaction was something approximating an eye roll.

Speaker 30 You know, it's a conspiratorial time.

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Speaker 31 In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade in downtown Dallas.

Speaker 30 You go back to the 1960s, and there were still a lot of questions about the Kennedy assassination.

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Speaker 30 Did Neil Armstrong really touch the moon or was he in a studio somewhere in

Speaker 30 the United States? So it was that kind of a time and now, you know, we're unfortunately a bit of a historically illiterate country. If there's no video, then it didn't happen.

Speaker 30 Well, we know the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, but there's no video of that. We know about Lincoln at Gettysburg.
There's no video of that.

Speaker 1 Do we, though? Are we sure?

Speaker 2 We're pretty sure.

Speaker 30 Are you sure about that? We're pretty sure Lincoln was at Gettysburg, yeah. And so,

Speaker 30 you know, for sports fans, you got to lock in on how different the NBA was then and how different sports media was then.

Speaker 30 When Kobe scores 81, 15 minutes later online, you can buy a DVD of his performance. So that's what we're used to.
That's the immediacy of today with technology. It wasn't so then.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about?

Speaker 30 Yeah, I mean, there was always questions of how could he have done this? How could anybody score 100 points? Kobe's 81 is second best, and that's not even close.

Speaker 30 There's something, too, about the number 100, the symbolism of 100. It's a century.
It's a perfect score on a test. If Wilted scored 102 or 97, we wouldn't embrace it or question it even as we do.

Speaker 30 And so I decided all these decades later, I got to find out what happened here. This is one of the most famous and famously unknown stories in sports history.

Speaker 30 The deeper I went, it became, you know, like Ellis in Wonderland, curiouser and curiouser.

Speaker 1 So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday.

Speaker 1 But what most distinguishes Wilt Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as questions 60 plus years later.

Speaker 22 If I'm understanding correctly, on the Pat McAfee show, we are now questioning the veracity of Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game.

Speaker 33 We're questioning

Speaker 30 whether or not this actually happened.

Speaker 1 No, we're not.

Speaker 30 Pac-Man is not, but I did not know that there was no documented footage of this until just now. So as soon as that happens, boom, my brain goes,

Speaker 30 the people always say they don't know if it's true or if it's false. Did Wilt actually score 100 points?

Speaker 34 Like, even the scores table, people, like, did they all die?

Speaker 35 Like, yeah, like, that's why I'm curious who's on the next. Is anyone still?

Speaker 35 You just, that's, that was the only thing that could, like, sell me on.

Speaker 34 Like, there's people, like, yeah, I was actually at that game.

Speaker 36 People know what happened 10 billion years ago. They know how the earth was created.
They know what the Egyptians were talking about, what they were saying, even though that is.

Speaker 36 I've never seen aliens, even though that is six languages removed from what we're talking about right now. And nobody knows outside of a sheet of paper with crayon on it that says 100.

Speaker 1 And on and on it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre finds out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline 513-85 Pablo.

Speaker 37 Hey, Pablo,

Speaker 37 long time first time.

Speaker 37 There's been a lot of stuff going around the internet lately about whether or not we'll scored 100 points because because there's a lot of old footage from the 50s and 60s of the NBA but nothing really about that supposed 100-point game.

Speaker 1 And then we got another one.

Speaker 37 Hi Pablo, my name is Matthew. I have a question and it's actually kind of a conspiracy theory that perhaps only I believe in but maybe others do and we shall find out.

Speaker 37 It revolves around Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game.

Speaker 37 We have no video evidence of this happening as far as I know, and the only photographic evidence of this is a locker room photo and a piece of paper that says 100 on it.

Speaker 37 I'm not sure that I truly believe and trust that Wilt Chamberlain actually scored 100 points in a game. I know that sounds crazy, but

Speaker 37 I need your help.

Speaker 1 Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery.

Speaker 1 And the first person we called was Stanford professor Gary Pomerance, the aforementioned author of the book Wilt 1962. And Gary immediately established something.

Speaker 1 He established that one tricky thing about fact-checking Wilt Chamberlain is that Wilt Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life.

Speaker 30 Wilt was a luminous star at that time. He's just 25 years old.
He's got a nightclub in Harlem called Big Wilt Small's Paradise. Small's Paradise dates the Halcyon days of the Harlem Renaissance.

Speaker 30 And Wilt walked through that place like he owned all of Harlem, like he owned all of New York. Red Fox, Eda James, Cannonball Adderly.

Speaker 30 Wilt's the greeter, the tallest greeter in NBA history. Wilt had a Goliath syndrome.
He was 7-1, 260 pounds.

Speaker 30 Dolph Shays of the Syracuse Nationals said his body was the most perfect instrument made by God to play basketball.

Speaker 30 You know, another writer likened Wilt's body to the first sight of the New York skyline. I mean, think about this.
7-1, 260 pounds, his back triangulates down to a 31-inch dancer's waist.

Speaker 30 The guy was cut. The guy could run the floor like a train.
Everything about him was magnificent.

Speaker 1 I had to do a lot of just

Speaker 1 reacquainting myself with history as well. For this, Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American bandstand, right?

Speaker 30 By the river, down by the river.

Speaker 30 You know, he wasn't Frankie Valley, he wasn't very good, but they did cut a record of it.

Speaker 30 You know, he had a racehorse named Spooky Cadet, and never won. He had an Asian motif apartment off Central Park West in New York.

Speaker 30 And then, of course, there was Will telling stories about his womanizing.

Speaker 1 That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with, that statistic. 20,000.

Speaker 40 If I had to count my sexual encounters, I'd be closing in on 20,000 women. That equals to having sex with 1.2 women a day, every day since I was 15 years old.

Speaker 40 What kind of reaction did you receive after that? Well, you still receive. Well, you know, I still receive.

Speaker 1 What's the fact-checking on that like?

Speaker 30 Well, the fact-checking is difficult to do,

Speaker 30 as a matter of fact.

Speaker 30 But I interviewed one of the 20,000, a woman named Linda Huey, who became a great friend of Wilts at the end of his life. She said, Wilt, why did you say 20,000?

Speaker 30 And Wilt's response was to wink and say, what's an extra zero between friends?

Speaker 42 But you know, I thought maybe one of the reasons you invited me on the show was to give me an award from the Board of Education.

Speaker 42 Because whenever people see me now, they go, 20,000.

Speaker 42 And let's see, he must have started when he was like 15, and he's now maybe 55.

Speaker 42 So let's see, 20,000, 365, into 20,000.

Speaker 42 and you know, and then

Speaker 43 you're getting people thinking.

Speaker 42 Not only that, I'm teaching them mathematics, which is really

Speaker 42 the whole story here. You understand?

Speaker 43 I don't think that's going to be a word problem for kids.

Speaker 43 If Wilt Chamberlain is with 10 women on a train headed east.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 30 I got this sense as I was working on this book, you know, excavating this 100-point game. There's a comic book superhero quality to Wilt, his life, his his numbers.

Speaker 30 I interviewed ultimately 56 people who were there, 15 of them players, the broadcaster, the statistician, the shot clock operator, a number of fans. Look, Pablo, when you go back into this time,

Speaker 30 you're going back into a time when the NBA was a lounge act. It was a league in search of itself.
The crowds weren't very big.

Speaker 30 The joke used to be that the PA announcer would introduce the players in the starting lineup and then would introduce each fan. It was nine teams in the league, only one team west of St.
Louis.

Speaker 30 That would be the Lakers, who'd moved out a year before to the west. And the league was trying to grow new fans, and that's why they played in outlying areas that hadn't sizable arenas.

Speaker 30 The Lakers played a game in Portland, they played a game in Seattle, the Celtics played in Providence, and the Philadelphia Warriors played three games that year in Hershey.

Speaker 30 This was the third of those games.

Speaker 1 You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish Country.

Speaker 1 That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962.

Speaker 1 But electricity, in general, was scarce.

Speaker 1 The game wasn't televised. The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act.
But the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Except, it soon became clear, particularly to legendary play-by-play man Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game,

Speaker 1 which then created a puzzle of its own.

Speaker 30 Well, you have to realize back then, TV stations didn't save tapes. They were saving money and they were re-taping over these tapes.
That's why they disappear with television.

Speaker 30 That's why they disappear some with radio. It was a game 75 in an 80-game season.

Speaker 1 But very recently, about 60 plus years later, something kind of crazy happened.

Speaker 1 Because we here at Pablo Torre, Finds Out, found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus.

Speaker 1 And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before, but in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast.

Speaker 1 On March 2nd, however, that Friday,

Speaker 1 he decided to do something different. He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8.

Speaker 1 And then...

Speaker 44 I came home from that, turned on the radio, just in time to hear Bill Campbell say, World Chamberlain just scored 100 points. 100 points, fans.

Speaker 44 Oh my God, what a game to miss.

Speaker 30 So I didn't give up.

Speaker 44 I thought, where else can I get this recorded?

Speaker 2 Called up a friend the next day, and he said that he had recorded it, but only the fourth quarter and only when the Warriors had the ball.

Speaker 11 This is where I have the tape somewhere.

Speaker 1 And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, and he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.

Speaker 30 One of these is the tape.

Speaker 44 Just don't know which one.

Speaker 44 Oh, that's a Floyd Patterson Sunny Listen fight.

Speaker 2 Ah, this is the one.

Speaker 1 All of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history.

Speaker 1 But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Knicks possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.

Speaker 17 Hi, my name is Tessa Burns and I'm Archivist here at Hershey Community Archives. We are inside of our collection storage facility here at the Hershey Story Museum in Hershey, PA.

Speaker 17 We heard from the producers at Pablo Torre finds out asking us about one particular event in Hershey Sports history, which was Wilp Chamberlain's 100-point game at the Hershey Arena.

Speaker 1 And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter, but it wasn't taped in Hershey at all, actually.

Speaker 1 It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.

Speaker 1 And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape recorder, recorder, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons.

Speaker 1 And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home.

Speaker 17 So I did some searching in our collections, and I was very excited to find this box right here.

Speaker 17 So this is from our Hershey Entertainment and Resorts Company collection. And when we look inside, you can see we have some audio visual material, some CDs, cassette tape.

Speaker 17 And then the most exciting item here

Speaker 17 is this five and three-quarter inch reel-to-reel tape. So this is an audio recording format.
It's magnetic media. If we look inside, you can see that we do have, in fact, the original tape.

Speaker 1 Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Will Chamberlain's 100-point game, by the way. As their historian explained to us, They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt.

Speaker 1 But this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about.

Speaker 1 Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews, which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today.

Speaker 30 Well, that's the joy of it to me. You know, that's what the attorneys call discovery.
You know, you go and immerse yourself, full immersion. And I would travel far and wide to find these people.
And

Speaker 30 it becomes an obsession. You know, what about that? I called Bill Campbell so many times.

Speaker 30 Last time I called him, I said, Bill, it's Gary Pomerance. And he said, not again.

Speaker 30 And that's just, Bill, one more thing. One more question.

Speaker 1 We can relate.

Speaker 2 We can relate here.

Speaker 1 You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University at the Rare Book Library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive.

Speaker 1 And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962.

Speaker 38 WCAU, WCAU, F-Amman, Philadelphia. The time is 3.35.

Speaker 45 Bob, and we're ready to go. And here's Bill Campbell.
Here's the big fourth quarter.

Speaker 38 And everybody's thinking how many Wilt gotta get. He's got 69 going in.

Speaker 45 Here's the passport.

Speaker 30 He's got another one. Well, Wilt's got 69 points going into the fourth quarter, right? And so he still needs 31 points.

Speaker 30 You know, that's a lot of points.

Speaker 30 Rogers.

Speaker 38 Rogers takes the jump shot. It's no good.

Speaker 32 Chamberlain with a rebound.

Speaker 32 Chamberlain.

Speaker 30 And he just scored 28 points in the third quarter. And the Knicks are just going through the motions.

Speaker 30 It's a 10, 15, 20-point lead the warriors have

Speaker 45 inside to addles to chamberlain he's got it

Speaker 45 133 to 114 and the fellas of the warrior fetch a jump at the joy farm every time he strives over

Speaker 30 jump up in a body there's gary now the nba didn't find out about this tape until 1990 and it's like wait what that's just the way things were then

Speaker 38 we're just just conjecturing here. How many can he make? He's got nine minutes and 24 seconds left, and the guesses are running as high as 100.

Speaker 1 So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is a play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast.

Speaker 1 But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick.

Speaker 1 that I wanted to ask you about because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times, revisiting some of these tapes. Hearing you in 03

Speaker 1 talk to Joe Rucklick, is a time machine inside of a time machine.

Speaker 30 Well, Joe was the Kennedy liberal from Northwestern.

Speaker 2 When I got there as their first draft choice

Speaker 2 that season,

Speaker 2 out of Northwestern,

Speaker 2 behind Wilt.

Speaker 30 Wilt was technically first.

Speaker 30 He was Wilt's backup. Now, think about it.
When you're the backup to a player who never comes out of the game, you don't play very much. But he observed a lot, and he was a very

Speaker 30 keen observer. Joe also was into conspiracy theories.
And Joe said, wait a minute, why did this tape just appear 28 years later? And Joe said he questioned whether Bill Campbell had recreated it.

Speaker 2 I don't think Campbell was there. But you know what? That's...

Speaker 30 So what are you saying?

Speaker 2 If I get a tape, what are you saying about the tape? I think you get the last few minutes.

Speaker 2 I think it's only the last quarter.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 less than that. I've got it.
You do? I think it's fake. But anyway, yeah.
The real stuff. Why do you think it's fake?

Speaker 1 Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually.
He wasn't really the announcer.

Speaker 2 If it's a fake,

Speaker 2 it illustrates the nonsense that

Speaker 2 the NBA

Speaker 2 perpetrates about

Speaker 2 those days. It was a Bush league.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was really bush.

Speaker 30 Bill Campbell was there. Bill Campbell and I spoke and he talked about dreading going to Hershey, you know, for game 75 of an 80-game season.

Speaker 46 It was annoying because instead of doing a home game at home, we had to go to Hershey. Players weren't happy either.

Speaker 30 It's a long drive and it sure would be nice to be playing it, you know, at home in Philadelphia.

Speaker 46 Worked in order to come to that game. He took a train.
I remember him being there early.

Speaker 30 But he remembered vividly the game and the details.

Speaker 46 Everything was such consummate ease.

Speaker 45 It was effortless.

Speaker 46 They broke the ball up and he'd go out and get it and dunk it. They knew something unnatural was going to happen here, and they offered.

Speaker 1 As for just how Bush League Game 75 really was,

Speaker 1 I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation.

Speaker 1 Also, relatedly, it's funny that none of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place.

Speaker 1 But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event

Speaker 1 did feel a bit confused.

Speaker 30 This is played in an arena that's built for a hockey. the hockey team, the Hershey Bears.
There's not during this game a big screen where it says number 13, Big Fella.

Speaker 30 How many shots attempted, made, free throws attempted, made, assists, et cetera.

Speaker 30 There's just a cold, metallic, boxy scoreboard up in the Netherland of this place that says, you know, Philadelphia, New York. Even the people who are watching the game don't have context.

Speaker 1 But Wilt Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score.

Speaker 47 The game starts, I'm I'm fairly warm.

Speaker 2 I'm really warm from the foul.

Speaker 42 I'm not missing anything from the foul.

Speaker 47 That should have gave me some kind of hint that, you know.

Speaker 42 And you made 28 of 32 from the foul line that night, which is good for anybody and staggering for you.

Speaker 47 I appreciate that. Right, staggering, staggering for me.
You understand? But I was even better than that the first half. I was missing nothing.
I was 100%, 100%, remember, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 47 So I said, hey, you know, things are going pretty good.

Speaker 48 And I had, I think, like 44, 41 points at halftime, and I was shooting well.

Speaker 1 And one big reason Wilt was playing so well is that the Knicks starting center was out sick and apparently kind of hung over.

Speaker 1 And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all of sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night.

Speaker 1 And instead, what he became was the answer to a trivia question

Speaker 2 forever.

Speaker 49 This is an interview with Darryl Imhoff, I-M-H-O-F-F,

Speaker 49 in Eugene, Oregon on July 8th, 2003.

Speaker 50 By the way, I double tape in case one tape failed. Okay.

Speaker 2 Isn't this interesting?

Speaker 33 Yeah, so...

Speaker 2 Gosh.

Speaker 30 Darrell was a second-year player, 6'10, left-handed, and, you know, he was

Speaker 30 primarily a defender. At times, a rough defender, he would become known as the axe for axing, you know, shooters' arms.

Speaker 2 You know, Wilt, Wilt was an attraction, and

Speaker 2 I was going to have to spend the next

Speaker 2 bad night in his armpits, so I wasn't looking forward to that stuff.

Speaker 30 And one of the things that was so interesting, he was then working in Eugene, Oregon at the U.S. Basketball Academy, a training ground.
And we walked by an open court.

Speaker 30 And I said, Daryl, could you come here for a second? I stood in the middle of the lane. I said, Show me how you defended Wilt that night.
Wilt, Imoff said, would arch his back and it was like a tree.

Speaker 30 And Daryl's behind him, down low. He said, It was like a tree was going to fall down on me.
I said, So, what would you do? And he said, I did this.

Speaker 30 And he took the point of his elbow and put it in my rhomboids right between the shoulder blades. And Daryl could still inflict some pain all these years later.

Speaker 30 But he said he would position himself behind Wilt when Wilt's down on the offensive left side, down by where we would now see the block. The block didn't exist then.

Speaker 30 And he would put his knee into Wilt's, the back of his thigh to collapse his leg. He would put his foot inside of Wilt's left foot to keep him from turning in.

Speaker 30 Daryl played only 20 minutes and fouled out. He was in and out of the game, so he played some in the second half.
Six fouls covering Wilt.

Speaker 30 The tallest, next, next tallest player the Knicks had was 6'8 rookie Cleveland Buckner.

Speaker 30 6'8 ⁇ , they said 210 pounds. Uh-uh.

Speaker 30 He's probably 185, 190. He was a stick.
He scored 33 points that night, too, I might add. It was a career night for him.
What a night to have a career night.

Speaker 30 Seven and a half minutes are left when Wilt scores and Harvey Pollack, the statistician, he passes over a sheet of paper to the PA announcer, the great Dave Zinkoff.

Speaker 30 Zinkoff then announces Wilt Chamberlain has just set a new record for most points in a game. He has 79 points, breaking his 78 points scored in a three-overtime game earlier that season.

Speaker 30 And while he's announcing that, Wilt makes shooting underhanded two more free throws to go to 80 and 81.

Speaker 45 On the PA, they're announcing the new record of 79. And during the announcement, Chamberlain goes right ahead through the announcement and makes a foul.

Speaker 38 They're still making the announcement.

Speaker 39 He makes another foul.

Speaker 32 Chamberlain didn't even win the tour.

Speaker 38 He just made two straight fouls.

Speaker 45 He now has 81 points.

Speaker 1 Granny's style.

Speaker 2 Granny style.

Speaker 30 He looked ridiculous doing it because he's so big. He would squat down low.
His knees would flare out. He looked like an adult trying to sit in a kindergartner's chair.

Speaker 30 What did Daryl say to to you particularly gary if you recall in your interview with him um about the refs he just thought they loved wilt and you know that at one point they called a foul against him hoff that m hoff did not think was a foul and he started backing in and i held my position and willie smith called me for a foul and i said really

Speaker 2 i got it i'm allowed to position it and i said why don't you you know why don't you give the guy 100 points we'll all go home i mean you did say that you said right i said that why don't you give him a hundred points we'll all go home

Speaker 45 and he did going in for the layup up with the shot.

Speaker 38 No good.

Speaker 39 Chamberlain rebounds.

Speaker 32 Good.

Speaker 39 Chamberlain rebounds and scores, but he's fouled.

Speaker 32 145 to 126.

Speaker 45 Darrell Imroff fouled him.

Speaker 38 He has 83.

Speaker 30 And the game took on, you know, Darrell would call it a farce.

Speaker 2 My word is a farce. It was a farce of a game.
It was not, I don't think it was a legitimate

Speaker 2 type of thing where a guy goes out in the course of the event. I mean, we had guys score 60 points.

Speaker 2 Elgin Baylor scored 60 points against

Speaker 2 the guard.

Speaker 2 I mean that was a legitimate great performance.

Speaker 2 Jerry West had 60 against us in the sports arena against

Speaker 2 in that year.

Speaker 2 It was one of those things where guys had individual performances that were great, but it wasn't done the way that one was done. And that's what makes that a force.

Speaker 2 I just don't I don't see it as one of the great games ever, and I think the 100-point game is totally out of out of context with what you would consider the great games that were played in the NBA by great players

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Speaker 1 So, this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilts' record by asking if it really happened

Speaker 1 has been asking the wrong question.

Speaker 1 Because what Daryl Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles is not that the 100-point game never took place.

Speaker 1 What Daryl is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilts 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate to the point of being, quote, a farce.

Speaker 30 With seven and a half minutes to play and everybody realizing now what the stakes were,

Speaker 30 the Knicks started

Speaker 30 not quite stalling, but sort of. A couple extra passes.
Then they start running a weave down court, taking the ball in 94 feet from the basket.

Speaker 30 The Warriors start committing fouls of the Knicks to get the ball back quicker to get the ball to Wilt.

Speaker 51 Cross court to butchers, they eat up as much time as they can. Butcher to the circle and fouled by Rogers.

Speaker 45 Warriors figured the only way to combat the New York store was to come out and foul the back courts on themselves.

Speaker 30 If somebody walked into the arena and they see the Warriors fouling and the Knicks stalling, they're going to think the Knicks are ahead by 20, not the Warriors. That's where it breaks down.

Speaker 39 Knowles is fouled by Joe Rutlick.

Speaker 51 That's when they almost came to blows.

Speaker 51 New York, of course, you can understand the Knickerbockers' feelings.

Speaker 38 They're a little upset having it rubbed in a little bit like this with a guy on a scoring rampage.

Speaker 30 Whether or not it would became a farce is a serious question.

Speaker 30 You know, when the structure of the game breaks down and the team that's 20 points behind is stalling, something's weird, something's strange.

Speaker 50 Yeah, you've got a situation where you're beating somebody intentionally to make something happen, but that's what was going on. I mean, it wasn't in the flow of the game.

Speaker 50 Now, the first, you know, the first half, if you will, her first three-quarters, it was certainly in the flow of the game.

Speaker 50 But when they started doing some things intentionally to follow him and get him the ball and left him in the game when the game was already over, I mean, it was obviously they were out to prove something, and so they did.

Speaker 1 There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever.

Speaker 1 There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast, says,

Speaker 38 he has 84.

Speaker 45 146 to 126. If you know anybody not listening, call them up.

Speaker 51 Throw history you're sitting in on tonight.

Speaker 1 This brings us, as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98-point mark. So the psychology of the 98-point moment here.

Speaker 1 Who gets the ball to Wilt? How does this play unfold here?

Speaker 30 Well, there's a guard named York Larisi,

Speaker 30 and he's leading the fast break. And so he doesn't see Wilt behind him, but he hears the big fella, the mighty huff and puff.
He feels the vibration of the floor when Chamberlain's moving.

Speaker 30 And so he just, as he's going straight at the basket, he doesn't distribute left or right. He just sort of throws the ball up

Speaker 30 and continues on underneath the basket past the baseline and out of play.

Speaker 30 At which point, he looks back and sees Wilt, the mighty dipper, grabbing the ball, fully extended, my arms leaving the screen, and then slams it in one movement.

Speaker 38 Larisi with the ball down the right side, passes the chamber on each hope, but he shoots his call.

Speaker 38 Dipper Over.

Speaker 38 167 to 145.

Speaker 38 The end of 98.

Speaker 1 What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number?

Speaker 30 Well, Will would have three attempts at the 100-point basket. And in fact, one of them came after he scored on that slam dunk to hit 98.

Speaker 30 He started to run down court and quickly turned around and stole the ball.

Speaker 30 and missed it from around the free throw line. Then he'd get two more attempts.

Speaker 30 And there's 50 seconds left. And now the Warriors have the ball.
And Guy Rogers, who would have 20 assists on this night, a wonderful passer, he throws the ball down court, length of the court.

Speaker 30 To Wilt, who jumps, catches it because the next tallest nick is

Speaker 2 five inches short.

Speaker 38 Rogers throws one to Chamberlain.

Speaker 45 He's got it.

Speaker 38 He's trying to get up.

Speaker 32 He shoots. No good.

Speaker 39 The length of Luckenbill.

Speaker 30 And Ted Luckinbill, a rookie, comes in, gets the rebound, Gets it to Wilt again.

Speaker 30 Back to Chamberlain.

Speaker 32 He shoots up. No touch.

Speaker 30 He misses Luckinbill again.

Speaker 32 Runbound Luckenbill.

Speaker 39 Back to Luckland.

Speaker 32 In the Chamberlain. He made it.
He made it. He made it.
They kicked himself. He made it.
The streams are all over the floor. They stopped the game.
People are running out of the court.

Speaker 32 The real trigger. They stopped the game.

Speaker 32 People are crowding, pounding them, dining them.

Speaker 32 The warrior players are all over them. Fans are coming out of the stands.
46 seconds up. The most amazing storage performance of all time.

Speaker 32 100 points. It was a big difference.

Speaker 30 An adrenalized moment for the fans and for Wilt

Speaker 30 until he gets to the locker room and sees the statue. He's sitting next to Al Adles.

Speaker 30 And he's shaking his head. And Adles says, what's the matter, big fellow? He said, I can't believe I took 63 shots, 21 of them in the fourth quarter.
And Adel said, that's okay. You made 36 of them.

Speaker 30 That's all right. The criticism against Wilt is not his athleticism.
It's always that he cared more about himself and his own statistics rather than the greater good of the team.

Speaker 30 And this night, he thought, for many years,

Speaker 30 reflected that criticism in a big way.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today,

Speaker 1 was the Big Dipper holding a piece of paper with the number of points he scored written on it.

Speaker 1 But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Will Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier,

Speaker 1 a man named Harvey Pollock.

Speaker 30 Harvey Pollock was a legend in Philadelphia basketball. He was an employee of the Philadelphia Warriors, then

Speaker 30 the Philadelphia 76ers, for six decades.

Speaker 30 And at the time this game is being played, He's known as the octopus because he would send out a Christmas card every year with the octopus, each arm representing another thing thing he did.

Speaker 30 On this night, when Will scores 100,

Speaker 30 Harvey is the statistician.

Speaker 30 He is a publicist who's got to arrange any interviews. He's writing the game story for the Philadelphia Inquirer, who didn't care enough about it to send anybody.

Speaker 30 He's writing for AP and he's writing for United Press.

Speaker 30 That's a lot of work.

Speaker 30 And in fact, when he finished the scorekeeping and added stuff up, he thought, oh my, what if Will ends out with 98 points?

Speaker 30 Well, you know, one of the things you hear on the radio is, I think, three times the final score is 169 to 150.

Speaker 38 Put your breaks down for an easy way up, but he's got it.

Speaker 51 169 to 150.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to mention this. Yeah.

Speaker 30 And the Knicks, now we look back on it and see the Knicks at 147.

Speaker 30 And no one could reconcile that for me. I think it was just sort of the slapdash nature of the whole night.
And this was one more aspect of it.

Speaker 30 Oh, yeah, the Knicks, well, it doesn't matter what the Knicks got.

Speaker 2 You know, all that matters is what Will got.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Well, that's it, right? The discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score. There's all this confusion.
You hear it on the tape a couple of times.

Speaker 1 But what the octopus, he makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen.

Speaker 30 Pollack looks around and says, Heff to Jim Heffernan, the sportswriter of the Philadelphia Bulletin.

Speaker 30 Let me borrow a sheet of paper. And he takes out what was a magic marker.
I don't think they had Sharpies in 1962. I may be wrong on that.
And he writes 1-0-0.

Speaker 30 And

Speaker 30 it's the backstory to this classic photo. And that might be the best picture in basketball history because of

Speaker 30 what it represents and who it represents. It's the dipper on his night.
Remember, this is a time when the NBA, even its statistics in the way stats were kept, they didn't count block shots.

Speaker 30 You know, if somebody said, How many shots did Will block? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 30 We just have the numbers that they kept. Did the Knicks score 147 or 150?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 30 I don't know.

Speaker 30 But to me, it was about getting to the essence of this story. There are some questions.
Whether or not it happened is not a question.

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Speaker 26 Like, I actually feel like I got eight hours of sleep.

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Speaker 1 So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerant has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode, has passed away.

Speaker 1 This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities, which is something that Will Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999,

Speaker 1 eventually learned to accept.

Speaker 3 I used to hate the fact that there was no video of it, but as time goes on, I think it kind of adds to the mystique of the game.

Speaker 1 Or in the words of Gary Pomerance.

Speaker 30 And, you know, the baseball great Ted Williams used to say his dream was that when he walked down the street, people would point at him and say, there goes the greatest hitter in baseball history.

Speaker 30 Will came to realize that people would point at him as he walked down the street and say, there goes the guy who scored 100 points in a game.

Speaker 30 And he came to like it.

Speaker 1 But in our research near the end here, we were able to find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building

Speaker 1 a person who at 86 years young still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in hershey pennsylvania on march 2nd 1962.

Speaker 1 um tom give me the pronunciation of your name i just want to make sure i'm i'm getting it right Masheri. Masheri.
Okay, good. Good, good, good.

Speaker 1 Didn't know where the accent or the stress was going to to be, but Masheri makes

Speaker 33 my third grade teacher called me Masheri.

Speaker 1 Mashery Amor. Yes, a different nickname for

Speaker 1 a bruiser power forward.

Speaker 33 The one that pretty much stuck was the Mad Manchuria. That had to do with my birthplace.
I was born in Manchuria, which is in China now. White Russian parents, and I was a

Speaker 33 immigrant kid. I came to the United States after the Second World War.
My parents, my mother and I and my sister were interned in a Japanese concentration camp in Japan during the war.

Speaker 33 And then we came to the United States via the Red Cross to San Francisco, where my father was

Speaker 33 waiting for us. And that's kind of where I learned.
San Francisco is where I learned how to play basketball.

Speaker 1 And Tom Asheri really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number.

Speaker 1 And Tom was in the starting lineup, playing 40 minutes right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania on the day in question.

Speaker 1 And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs,

Speaker 33 on my mother's side, I'm related to the old school story.

Speaker 1 He still thinks about Hershey.

Speaker 2 All the time,

Speaker 1 in part because it was his very first season in the NBA.

Speaker 33 Talk about lucking out, huh? I got off the plane. I was pretty naive, did, and I just walked into this fantastic moment.

Speaker 1 I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself.

Speaker 33 Oh, well, I was mesmerized. I mean, for one thing, I was a rookie.

Speaker 33 Imagine being a rookie from the West Coast, coming to the East Coast, being part of the NBA. I mean, this was like a dream for me.

Speaker 33 Will deserves not to be questioned.

Speaker 33 My daughter called me up. She's an eighth grade middle school teacher, and she provided me with the news that some of her kids

Speaker 33 think that Will's 100-point game was fake news just because there was no video of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look,

Speaker 1 the question of why people question it. it.

Speaker 33 For me, that's a very simple answer. I think we have a whole society that has anybody can say anything they want, you know, and there's no fact checks and nobody believes in fact checks.

Speaker 33 Nobody believes in honesty. I mean, it's, you know, we're in a really troubled time.
They'll believe all sorts of, you know, conspiracy stuff.

Speaker 1 Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was

Speaker 1 a theory of a different kind, because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerance in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some?

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 33 Sure, I remember Daryl. I've chased him in the stands and almost beat him to death.

Speaker 1 Why did you do that, Tom?

Speaker 33 Because I hated Daryl.

Speaker 1 I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair.

Speaker 33 Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that chair. Yeah, it just sort of

Speaker 33 appeared in my hand.

Speaker 1 But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now, not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerance that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night.

Speaker 1 Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that the 100 points did not happen. He was there.

Speaker 1 He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points trying to guard wilt

Speaker 1 the allegation that daryl im hoff made on tape was this quote

Speaker 1 the 100-point game was a farce

Speaker 33 well i say sour grapes kid you know you got smoked and you know fouled out and

Speaker 33 somebody else filled in for you and you couldn't stop Wilt. Nobody could stop Wilt that night.
So it's just sour grapes. I can just say your defense was a farce.
That's why Wilt scored.

Speaker 33 If you want to be a forest,

Speaker 33 maybe I should have punched him off a little more.

Speaker 33 I don't think anybody could have guarded Wilt that night. I don't think Shaq at his very best guarded Wilt that night.
Wilt was indomitable that night. Everything he threw up went in.

Speaker 33 It was a miracle game. And if daryl thinks it was manufactured it was manufactured by the lord god himself

Speaker 33 i've never heard that that daryl said that that makes me angry that makes me really angry he accused you guys of pouring it on as of course we purred absolutely reported on reported on because uh we were going to help our teammates score 100 points there's nothing wrong with that

Speaker 33 what i saw was a destruction

Speaker 33 Unless my eyes were failing me, I saw destruction.

Speaker 1 So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second for the sake of posterity, if nothing else.

Speaker 1 Because yes, I have apparently go to the Bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust.

Speaker 1 But also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before,

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 really poetry.

Speaker 33 I grew up listening to poetry from my mother and my father both.

Speaker 1 And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom,

Speaker 1 but also a muse.

Speaker 33 I wrote a poem last night.

Speaker 33 I don't know. I think because I was going to be on your Zoom and I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me? Would you, is that, is that?

Speaker 33 I thought you'd never ask.

Speaker 1 I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian might read from his latest work.

Speaker 33 Okay, let me give it a, let me give it a try.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 33 Please.

Speaker 33 Wilt's Ghost, March 2nd, 2025.

Speaker 33 Can you imagine on this day when Wilf scored 100 points in a single game in Chocolatown,

Speaker 33 his ghost striding onto the court of Chase Arena six decades later,

Speaker 33 followed by his teammates in that game, all gone.

Speaker 2 Harrison, Gola, Rogers, Adles, and the rest,

Speaker 33 except for me waiting my turn to be a ghost.

Speaker 2 Cheering like crazy for the dipper.

Speaker 2 Because he always belonged in the sky.

Speaker 1 Tom, the Mad Manchurian, the poet laureate of the NBA, you contained multitudes. And you observed multitudes.
And I very, very sincerely thank you for joining us.

Speaker 33 You're very welcome.

Speaker 33 That's easy to say.

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