Share & Starfriends & Tell with Mina Kimes and Katie Nolan

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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
That's disgusting! Katie! What the hell? What is wrong with you? Hell yeah.

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What's the number one stereotype about you that's true? That's true.

You love karaoke.

That is true. You do love it? Damn.

I hate karaoke. Accurate.
You do? That's one where I break the stereotype. There's a lot of things.

That's one, though, for me.

Man.

I just keep guessing them. We just ruin the day by me guessing them.
What about this one? I am obsessed with grades. Yeah, right.
Which is going to come. This is an interesting game for.

I'm unprepared for what this is. I can't handle spice

at all.

That's where the stereotype of me is true. The white is.
I cannot handle it. Wish I could.
Hate what it says about me that I I can't, but I can't. Anyway, let's play a game.

This game, I would like to explain what this sound is, though, and why

Mina knows a lot more about it than we do.

That's my cue. I guess, because he looked at you.
Okay, so I brought a game today. By the way, thanks for being here.
We haven't actually gotten together in our studio.

I know. I love it.

Remember when we used to do

Highly Questionable during, what was it called again during the pandemic?

Daily

quarantine. Highly quarantined.
Highly quarantined. Yeah.
The three of us used to hang out.

We played a lot of games. A lot of games.
A lot of like pictionary games. A lot of drawing-based drawing.

Do we just flash and post some of the illustrations that we need to do? Honey's Red Rocket. I think I still have that somewhere.
I'm going to auction that for charity.

I also drew some of the most disturbing artwork I've ever seen. Yeah.
I have a two-year-old. I think I channeled what America felt like during the pandemic.

We weren't really going through it like on Zoom. We sketched NFL logos by memory.
Oh, my God. Oh, brutal.
I love it. I love drawing, you know.
And we also drew Lenny at one point.

If you put up the photo that Pablo drew of Lenny. You have to censor it.
You have to censor it because he...

Penis. I illustrated accurately.
Little dog penis. Lenny is more than little.
This is why Dominique calls him Lenus, by the way. Oh, that's great.

All right. That's great.
So this game, so this is a very unusual game for me to enjoy because

it's more about friendship than it is about winning.

I don't believe that. That's not what I know of you.
Okay, so the game is made by my friend Rob Dubbin, who has a company called Brain Fruit, where they make...

cool and creative things and it's called Star Friends. Katie, can you narrate what Mina is showing visually? Mina has opened a plastic case.
Very simple. Very simple.
The size of the deck of cards.

And in it, I would say, really bad at guessing numbers, but I would say something around 50 cards. So there's two kinds of cards.

There's star ratings of a variety of star ratings, two stars, those card stars, right? They are white with black stars of varying number on them.

And then there are stars that have, or get cards, pardon me, that have a single word on them, instructions, which are categories. So like book.

Animal, plant. So this is where I want to make clear to everybody.
We're playing a card game.

It is a visual game so far, but I don't think it needs to be for the audio-only audience who we do care about. The game is about takes, and it's about how well you know each other.
Oh, Jesus.

And it's more so than that, and this is kind of what we all do for a living in some ways. It's about how well do we know each other's takes.

Jesus Christ. So

the way it works is very simple. And it's just, you know, it's like a get fun.
Hey. Nina's trying to make this seem calm.
Yeah, how do you win?

You're about to understand

why I'm doing this long preamble about it it not being competitive. He's like a dungeon master.
The way it works is

we go around and every person takes a turn and it rotates. So I'll put down a card that has the category, brand.

Then I'll give Katie a card. Okay.
And I'll give Pablo a card. Thank you.
And then you reveal. These are the star cards.
Katie's five stars, Pablo's three. Everyone's been saying that.

So what do I have to do now? Is this Wikife?

4.9, and you know that hurts my feelings. Are you even on there?

Probably not. He's been trying to get on there for a year.
Damn. At the end of this episode, we're going to get me on Wikifeed.
Nice. You're going to show feet?

If you stick around, if you increase the watch time of this channel, I will stop doing this. Stop doing this.
Stop doing this. You've done this already.
Stop doing this.

If you watch this video, I'll go after this guy.

If you keep watching the video, don't get thirsty. You don't have to be thirsty.
You've got plenty to drink. You know what I'm saying? You're okay, Mr.
Beast, over here. Please.

I believe it's called Truth to Power. Yeah.
I know, I know. By making you watch my content.

So here's what I have to do now. And so this is, it's my turn, right? Okay.
I have to try to come up with, let's not do brand. That's not a fun one to start with.
You don't book? Both brands. A book.

Oh, good. Oh, I had a solitaire joke queued up already, Vina.

You said brand, and I was like, Damn.

Damn. Well,

damn. Targeting computer activated.

You just missed the opportunity to actually do that at some point during the game. Gotcha.
And she turns it back on him. It's really beautiful.

That was a cell phone. It's really beautiful.
That could have been the kicker of this episode. I know.
It could have been the whole title and everything. People would have clicked.

Hashtag.

Cut that out so I can reset it.

Nope, nope, nope. So what I have to do now is try to come up with a book that Sadie loves.

Come up with a book. And that Pablo's kind of meh on.
A three-star audio. Yes.
So, so. Let's say I was like, I don't know.
Catch her in the rye or something.

So, you basically have to tell me if you agree with it. So, this is why it's not that competitive because ultimately, we are all deciding whether each other gets points.

We are being judged by ourselves. Okay.
It is an honor system. So, my point about like the whole competitiveness is

really,

I know.

I feel like he was, he's been, he's been waiting to do a solitaire joke. I know, and he burned it.
And he burned it for everyone. For all of us, he burned it for everyone in the room.

It was such a weird thing.

We could have made it. That's okay.
You know what? It is what it is. Game is in here somewhere.
Oh, you motherfucker.

Oh, you. Let's stop talking lest we burn it.
I think I'm not going to try to make it again. I know.
That's the problem.

Who starts and how how does it start? And let's go. Yay! Fine.
Yay!

And

start. Great.
All right. Begin.
Boo. Thanks.
Boo.

Shuffle the categories. I have to show it to you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So why do we deal it upside down? I don't know. For the suspense.
Nice.

My first category. This is a great one.
Okay. Character.
Oh, boy. I have to come up with a character that Katie hates.

So does Katie. And that Pablo is three stars on.

I see how this game game works now. I have an idea.
So this is just the thing that you answer. We are here to judge.
Yes, you're just going to agree with it or not.

And it's out of five stars, this is a character that I would rate one star. And it can be on whatever metric I want.

Right? Yes, yeah. Because a character that you dislike could also be a good character.
You know what I mean? Good for the plot. Plus, a character is such a

subjective. It could be a million different things.
Off to a good start. Let's go.
Like ampersand.

That's the nerdiest possible interpretation of character. Correct.
Are there zero stars, by the way, or no? No. Okay, one star is the worst possible.
So that was a one-star. No, that was, well, okay.

I'm not going to complicate it. Character.

I thought of one, but you're not a three-star. That's too high for you.
This is where it gets tricky. I'm already judgmental.

I don't know. I just want the game to have begun.
Yeah, it has begun. I know, but we're just kind of waiting for you to say something.
We're kind of. And I don't know what to do in this part of the...

That's what Katie is saying. Okay.

Grimace. Ugh.

Like the guy from the McDonald's? You made me go so fast. Wait, no, no, I'm not.
I didn't mean to make you go fast.

We're going to sit here and just make sure that Katie Nolan is clear that Grimace is...

The purple guy. The guy from McDonald's.
Yeah, yeah. I just didn't know if I didn't know if he was like also a thing I didn't know about.
I don't even want to do Grimace.

I don't even want to be here right now. Is there another grimace that Katie does? I just have had a long day.

I just needed to make sure we were all talking about the blobby purple guy that showed up in the middle of the day. No, I'm a new one.
I have a new one. The character is the grief eater.

Oh, boy.

For those who don't know, we're not part of the crossover world.

This is what Dan Lebetard's superhero name is. It's when Dan is really pushy about trying to get you to reveal something sad about yourself.
Why'd you have to bring it home? Yeah. Pablo's a three.

Katie's a one.

Now, but I'll be honest. Okay.
And

I do hate it. I do hate it.
Okay.

But I don't know if one star feels

like it ignores the parts of me that like genuinely like feels for him, the grief eater, and goes like, of course, you know, I love him. And it's like, it's hard to give who he is a one star.

I feel like when you say the word hate, the answer is yes, this is a one-star. I know.

I know.

Stop arguing for mine and talk about yours. This feels accurate.
So the reason why three stars for the grief eater feels accurate is put your hand away.

Mina is just now that's

guys are just outdoing yourselves.

This is one star for every time I think I have intentionally tried to make Dan cry. Yeah.

And it's hard for me to say that I am anti-grief eater when I have summoned, not only summoned the grief eater, but tried to grief eat the grief eater. Yeah.

You are, you are the guy, like the third guy of the human centipede of the grief eater. And that is the worst guy to be.
Yeah. It's the one-star guy.

No, actually, sorry, the middle guy is the worst guy to be. Yes, because you have to eat it.
And you got to

kill someone's. Yeah, I guess that party.
I don't really consider how bad it is. If the character was which part of the game

you are, I would say that, okay, Mina is correct, unfortunately. Yeah, I think she might be right.
Does it, it feels mean. You don't know.
Do I seem like a bully to say that I hate when Dan gets sad?

That is what you're saying.

And I don't feel good about that. No, no, no, no, no.
The grief feeder isn't about Dan being sad. It's about him getting that out of others.
Yeah. I didn't say sad Dan.

That's a difference all the time. Well, that's how Dan gets it out of me is he gets sad and then I get sad for Dan.
Right. Right.

He just, it's, you, it's. Excuse me the point.

It's manipulative. Excuse me the point.
Mina playing the game?

No, I'm making the point for one star instead of feeling afraid that the internet's going to be mad at me.

It's a manipulative thing that is done and therefore a one-star character. Katie Nolan hates when Dan Levittard expresses feelings that men aren't otherwise encouraged to express.
No, just man up.

You know?

I got both of your guys' cards. Yeah, Mina, the game you brought that we're doing a commercial for for free.
You're winning. Congrats.
Support small businesses. All right.
You're next. You're next.

Sick. Okay.
Well, this one's for you. So this goes back in the bottom of the pile and you can take one in the top.
So I'm five. Ooh.

Ooh, this is tough. It's like a 7-10

split in bowling because you got to find something I love and he does not like. Yeah, no shit.
I'm just explaining for the audience. And it's food.
Oh.

I love that. I mean, it's like you got the hardest one off the bat.
Food?

Well, yeah, I don't know how much you know about it. I don't.
Okay. But

you know, one thing I love. We can guess.
That's true, but that's a drink. I would say drink separate from food.
I wouldn't call that food. That's crazy.
All right.

Katie and I have eaten food together. I know, but you always order the same thing.
We've all

accurate. We haven't gone separately enough that I like have noticed.

Katie Nolan and I, just to be clear about how absurd your lack of memory is. Yeah, it's pretty weird.
We went to a major league baseball game and I ate a lot of chicken fingers out of a bucket. Right.

So what?

So I'm just saying that

after me. How come this is a two-star? How is that helpful at all? You like chicken fingers.
And buckets. Okay.
I love to eat food and buckets.

Let me, every time we go out to dinner, you go, let's go to the place where they say. You could only bring a horse to water.

Let me intercede here with a bit of gameplay commentary. I hate whatever.

If you have a tough category, you could just aim for one of us and be like, you know what? I'm not going to get the split. Sure.
So let me just pick something.

Just say you can pick something that he hates, right?

It's a lot of pressure, I know. It is.
Katie's like, okay, I can't say anything even vaguely ethnic. So I am feeling unable to mention noodles

or lean into it, knowing

the one difference between us is contrary to what many people think Filipinos and Koreans are two different cultures and if you they're not really that close

correct geographically speaking correct

but you just mean like culturally similar I just think most people think both tortured by Japan sure like everyone else in that's a lot of Asia yeah right yeah I do love Japanese food ironically are we going just any it's open-ended

You could choose a meal. You could choose a restaurant.
You could choose a cuisine. You could choose a dish.
A cuisine? Yeah.

I think that's fair. Blue cheese.
Blue cheese. I actually love blue cheese.
I actually love it. And it's divisive.
So that's actually a great.

And you had no idea that that was a total Hail Mary by you. You've never seen me eat blue cheese.
You didn't know that about me.

If I am at a party and there's a cheese platter, and I will go for the blue cheese, even knowing the conversational risk that that brings to my breath. But here's where you went wrong.

I

also love blue cheese. Oh, you sick.

I love blue cheese so much that I don't, I mean, I don't even think about the conversational party foul that is what, since when is that a problem to have blue cheese breasts?

Guys, as a lady who hates blue cheese, don't come near me if you just be line. You know what? I like a stinky cheese.
Yeah, I like the stinkiest cheese at a party in a social situation.

Yeah, I'm not sure. You know what I was told? Alpha.

if you serve if you if you're serving cheese at a party you got to put on a table let it sweat you get this thank you the cheese has to sweat that was nice of you the cheese has to sweat so do you

and the other thing about blue cheese too with like a platter is there's usually like some sweet stuff like a little fig jam are you talking about chunks or are you talking about a dip I was thinking chunks.

Who was thinking a dip? I was thinking, I didn't say a blue cheese dip. I just said blue cheese.
I was thinking like at a party. I'm agnostic.

Imagine

beautiful

plate. You're You're at a party.
There's a little bit of

carousel speech.

No, I'm just asking. There's brie.

There's some hard cheeses. I'm going for that.
You're going for the hard cheese.

I will get the blue cheese first, and I will take the time antisocially to put together like a little brischetta, the blue cheese, the fig on it.

I will make that little perfect bite for myself. She said brischetta.
Nobody says brischetta.

What do people say? Brischetta?

They're not right. You are right.
I've just never heard someone say that in my presence. Wow.

Only smart friends.

I have a business idea.

It's your turn. Oh, sorry.

My business idea is, speaking of both ethnic stereotypes, as well as my view on blue cheese,

buffalo wings.

Okay. My restaurant's serving those, delivering them to people.
Wings stop exists. Guess what else I'm serving though? What? White rice.
Buffalo wings and white rice together. Yeah.
Yeah.

For what what purpose? Sharks. What does he say? Because what I'm doing is I'm eating them together.
Okay. Oh, you like wing? Yeah.

Yeah.

Fing crazy. Can we get our stars, please?

Korean fried chicken. Yeah, white rice.
Why is anyone serving white rice? Yo, everybody's serving white rice because

I order it and I feed it to Myrtle. She loves it.
White rice. She loves it.
Yeah. And who doesn't? And I could just make it.

What are your stars? Five again. Wow.
Two stars. Five and two.
Now, this is like a seven-tenth

film.

Oh, boy. And it used the word film.
It did not say movie. Wow.
Yeah, that maybe narrows it a little bit.

Is Dootopia 2 a film? Also worth keeping in mind that I hate watch many a film. I just finished the Hallmark movie Touchdown,

Christmas and Touchdown the Bills.

I watched several clips of you interviewing the guests, the stars of that film, solely because the guy was wearing glasses I know what straight up I'm gonna admit it yeah the glasses I was like handsome man and he was wearing glasses and he was like

handsome man click what is that about it's about two bills fans who fall lifelong bills fans who fall in love it is literally about nothing it's about a hot guy wearing glasses holiday touchdown like a like a male she's all that I don't think in the movie where less happens somehow less happens than that than in that movie is that the female algorithmic equivalent of like a guy seeing a woman in like workout leggings or something and like just automating?

Is a lady seeing that? I don't know. Is your algorithm all guys in games?

It used to be guys chopping, like doing, I used to get a guy that would chop trees a lot. And then he started to act like he knew ladies were tuning into it.
And I was like, I'm over you. I'm out.

I'm out. I'm out.
I'm out. It's not for my gaze.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it.
Keep doing it the way you, you were doing it because you needed wood, okay?

You were not doing it because I was watching you do it. And that one time you looked up at the camera and fixed your hair was an accident.

And then he, like, you know, would you be would you let other people look at your algorithm? Yeah, because I'm past all that now. I'm just, it's all goof.
It's all goofy. I'm just there to laugh.

It's, it's a post-modern, nothing. Yeah, I'm past.
There's no sex anywhere on my algorithm, I promise. I am.

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Yeah, can you tell me that? What's on your film?

This is

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The film is Avatar. I knew you were going to, I knew that.
I knew it. You love Avatar? This is such a complicated question.
Okay. For me.
I don't even know where to begin. Give me your card.

Give me your five-star card. If you're going to tell me that you're not a five-star on Avatar.
Okay, so I think we're all going to notice really quickly that these two are closer than I am.

No, no, no. And so this is sort of really unfair.
No, no, no.

We,

he,

I believe you're looking for, you are correct, here is my card.

So here's the thing, Katie. I thought the game was about friendship.
This game has never been more about friendship than it is in this moment.

Because Pablo and I are in a group chat that's been going on for seven, eight years, pre-pan. Yeah.
That's entirely about Avatar.

What? what and i don't even like it's not a good movie no oh okay

i'm not done i'm not done i need to text our group chat that you're saying these things right now don't they watch the movie is insane they're all insane we went we made a date to see the last avatar the entire group chat went to the movie theater together i even brought bought I made my Wait, when you say The Last Avatar, now I'm getting lost.

We are literally just talking about the Avatar film franchise, not the last. isn't there one that's also called

shockingly it's not the asian avatar and i wasn't asking because of that

we are we are on the precipice of avatar three we we all went to see avatar two together in the theater i even got the themed navi drink oh i thought you were going to say it must have come with one of those pip yeah mina popcorn buckets that look like extended her braid and connected it to her drink

there the the movie is so insane that there's a a part in the movie, I mean, multiple parts, where the whales talk and they put the whales

in her.

I'm not spoiling this. This movie came out.

This is an awesome part of the movie. I also, I hate

screaming movies. I had to take off my glasses numerous times because it makes me dizzy.
Wow. The movie is so silly.
There's a white guy that dreads Spider who's a mink.

Have you ever seen Spider before? No. Is this still Pocahontas-based? Isn't that what we always said that Avatar was? The original.
Well, Spider is a bit of an inversion of Pocahontas.

The global politics of Avatar are complicated. It has a lot to say about the environment.

But there is a main character who's just a white kid with threads

who then has to wear a mask for much of the movie. Anyway.
He's kind of like a Mowgli character. All of which is to say the movie is

way too long. It's absolutely insane.
Parts of it make no sense. I laughed out loud at things that weren't supposed to be funny.

and yet and yet

but you said avatar but you said avatar but you said avatar you did not say avatar the last one that just happened great point

great point you said great point avatar because the first avatar is so bad

hold on you said i'm just gonna i'm just gonna avatar hold on avatar one i saw alone in the theater on new year's day

i saw avatar one alone in the theater but it wasn't on new year's day oh yeah i wasn't alone my brother was there damn Well, there goes any of that being in common. My brother, who

literally brought his own towel, wiped his glasses and everyone in the row's glasses. We're so different.
And then as we were walking out, turned to me and said, that's the best movie I've ever seen.

Wow. Wow.
To be very clear, though, Mina's relationship with her brother is like,

which athlete have you compared it to previously? I really thought you were reaching for a solitaire thing there. Yeah.

Oh, wow. She's just

got her guns out. My brother, I think he's kind of the Travis Kelsey to my Jason Kelsey now that I think about it.
I was going to go Michael and Marcus Vic. Well, yeah, right.
Okay.

But he also is like, he's like, he is like the Travis Kelsey of our family. Okay.
Complimentary in a lot of ways. Yeah, in a lot of ways.
And then in other words.

And then in other words.

Okay, so the reason I'm going to keep this card is because this group chat bought tickets to see Avatar 3

in L.A. December 19th.
And is telling me to fly to LA to join them. And that suggests to me that this is beyond a single film.
This is a franchise concept.

I see the semantic argument that you're making, but I haven't seen the second Avatar film. So

you won't be getting my card because I can't give it two stars. I've only seen the first one.

And you just are.

I'm keeping it. I don't care.
Keep it. I feel like I'm titled to both cards, but I'm going to take one.
You're not entitled to both. You would feel that way, man.

Now, see, we can gang up on him as well. Now I know how

it doesn't always have to be. Just keep it.
Atlantis felt it. Whatever it is being colonized.

do I keep it if I... No, you get back to the pile.
You only get to keep the pile. But you win.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
And I won this. Yes.

And I just remember the animals in the back are actually the amount of points because a one-star is not hard, but a three-star is harder to guess. So that's how it works.
Okay. What?

I don't understand.

What did she mean? At the end, at the end. I don't know how to get this under there.
At the end, when we do with the, you know, the

compiling of the points.

Okay. And you'll handle that, I guess, and she'll just know how to add it up.
And we'll just trust that Mina, the most competitive of all of us.

As a woman once famously said on a since-deleted Twitter post to Stephen A. Smith, that's an easy win for me.

I'm amiling you. You can't make a joke.
You might make the film ready.

I did have that. I did have a Trader Road.
I did have that ready.

Is that his name? Treddor Bob.

Mom Spaghetti, a five-star food. Okay.

You guys go.

Okay, here we are. Three stars.
Brand. Two.
Okay, this is brand. We talked about brand.
A three-stars.

Okay, so this is like something you feel slightly better about than him, but you're both kind of met on.

I'm going to go with...

This is a bit of a shot in the dark here. I'm going to go with Taco Bell here.

Oh.

Think about it. Couldn't be more wrong.
Okay. Really? Okay.
Absolutely not.

Taco Bell. If we're...
Comparing it to other fast food brands, Taco Bell would be my like five-star. Really? Yeah.
Wow. Taco Bell's up there.
Wait, What are you ordering?

Well, it depends on what you're talking about. What's a five-star?

I would say probably a cheesy Gordita crunch with no lettuce.

I go regular Mountain Dew. I know people love the Baja Blast, but I'm a Mountain Dew, regular original blend girl.
And then I will usually get like two hard tacos.

Hard tacos? Yeah. But I'm boring.
But they also, those chicken cantina tacos are good too, though. Those new ones.
And then sometimes I'll get a chalupa.

Again, no lettuce because it's just, you you know, get out of here, ew.

You know, Dan's big on the quesadillas. I don't do a burrito.
I've never gotten a burrito from Taco Bell. But yeah, cinnamon twists.
I'm all over that menu. I didn't.

I think Katie has sufficiently proven that this is more than a three-star. Yeah.
I didn't even know there were people who ate hard tacos at Taco Bell. Yeah, well, I've never missed to meet you.

I haven't had Taco Bell in like 15 years, but I stop by and I do glance.

I've had it more recently than 15 days. I've had it.
I had it last time. Are you like a Taco Bell guy?

Like, would you ever, would you, as we ponder the two stars, I've clearly lost spots. Do you,

if you were in a, let's say you're in a mall food court and there's a litany of options, what are the best mall food courts? Auntie Ann's, number one.

Sarku Japan, is that what it's called? Yeah,

something like that. Then Sabaro, the pizza place.
There's a

what else is in a mall? Are you guys just proving how low brow my tastes are? Is that what they go? Just let her go. It's changed now.
There's like the LeBron chain, the Blaze Pizza Pizza.

It's always in moles. Ew, what? I've literally never seen that.
It's always in moles now. Ew, what? Mm-hmm.

Johnny Rockets, if you're getting nasty.

I like Johnny Rockets. I like the teriyaki one.
They always like, do you want a sample? And I'm like, I'm like, of course I do. That's why you walk through.

You want the, whenever it's always like, you want our bourbon chicken? I'm like, oh, you know, I do. Panda Express.
Anyways, the point is. My thing with tacos, so I love fast food.

I order the same thing, though, from McDonald's every time. I get the Big Mac.
I get sweet and sour sauce.

It's sick. The best sauce, the best sauce.
It's an all-purpose sauce. Barnums.
Yes. For the fries, for the burgers, for the chicken.
For the burgers, especially. Yeah.

And I'm also getting an apple pie. Hey, can I litigate something here? Quick.
Dan, the other day we got McDonald's. In the order, I specifically.

Asked for and we paid for sweet and sour sauce. Dan knows that's my sauce.
Yeah, we Dan gets the bag because he's driving, puts it in his, in his lap.

I wasn't going to go, can you check and make sure the sauce is in there? But Dan goes, let me check the bag real quick, hands me the soda.

So I'm like, oh, sh ⁇ , let me, and he's digging through the bag and he goes, great. The lady comes back, takes the stuff.
We go, we park.

No sweet and sour sauce in the bag. Oh, was it hot mustard? I go, you checked.
No, there was no, there just wasn't anything. She just straight up lying.
He checked for his stuff. Oh, yeah.

I was like, are we in a fight right now? Yeah. And I'll tell you I didn't blow up, but I think I was, I think I would have been

pretty justified. Why can't we buy sweet and sour sauce from a grocery store? Because they won't.

I don't know, but I bet there's a reason, and I don't want them to try to do it and have it be bad, so I'd rather just have to go there and get it. It's fine.
Anyways,

come on. Yeah, what the hell? Hold on.
Two stars is right for Taco Bell.

You don't even like Taco Bell. Give it to me.
Did I just give myself this? I think I did. I think you're not going to do that.
I don't know if Mina deserves this. You don't even eat Taco Bell.

You don't even need to hate it. I mean, but you didn't say you hate it, so it's not a one-star.
It does sound like it's a two-star. Fine.
God damn. She's good at the game.
She invented.

I don't think this is how this game is supposed to be played. I don't think so either.
I think she made this up. It's at my turn.
Yes, that's okay. Thank you.
Thanks. And that's for you.
Thanks.

I think Sweeney Zara Sauce is a jug is a great product.

Four stars here. Two stars.
Plant.

What the f? Oh, there's some really obvious ones.

Actually, are there? Because two stars for you and four stars for you. If it were inverted, maybe.

Plant. Don't ever do that again.

Yes.

Oh. Audio audience probably just did

like the Mr. Burns, but it looked like

just looked like a juggling

to

large magic. Imaginatives.

Okay. Two stars for Pablo, so he's like not really into it.
Four stars for Mina, so she likes it, but she's not obsessed with it. And it's a plant.
It is a plant.

Bobby Altoff.

That's good. Good.
That's really good. You could do something like that.

You can be clever like this. Can I?

Katie, you know what?

You know what? You too can be clever like this. Okay, thank you.
Thank you for the only reason I wasn't was because I was waiting for permission.

Plant. A plant.

So this is tricky because of him, because he loves plants. So two stars is like, what is a thing that he doesn't like? It's awesome.
I actually have expressed to Katie. Now, is it a two-star?

Well, maybe it is a two-star. I've expressed to you a plant take that I am

a little sensitive about how I conveyed it to you. What? What? What are you doing? Who are you talking to? Me or Mina? I'm talking to you.
Okay.

Could be a vegetable, too. This plant.

No, what is the name of the.

What's the name of the.

Dandelion?

No, I googled dandelion and it showed me a yellow thing. That is a dandelion.
That's what I thought, but I googled it. It's before the yellow things come out, right? Or after.

You're talking about the thing with like a

weed,

and you blow it and it goes everywhere. Yeah.

That's what I'm. That's the

plant.

There it is.

I Do like those I loved blowing them when I was a little girl. They're a plant with something to do and I used to

I used to take them and make little crowns. Yeah, cute.
Very cute. And you it's a weed.

You hate a weed.

Here's my take. Here's my take that I was referring to.
Yeah. I walked into your apartment.

I had stopped listening to you about that. Like

I'm not trying to.

I thought this is about friendship. Yeah, it is.
And you saying that you don't like that I got fake plants in my apartment is none of your anyone else's business. That's fake.
It's just offensive.

It's a fake treat. It's offensive.

I would kill. Stolen Valor.

Sorry, not everybody has the time and resources.

They breathe in carbon dioxide. They breathe out.

I don't

remember to water and feed myself.

So I just want the aesthetic of it. Until I'm an adult that knows how the dirt works.
Get a drawing. Put a drawing of a plant on a a wall.
The thing was dandelion, head. Did I get it or no?

Hey, wait, really? You didn't even say that? I feel bad about how I've insulted. Well, then don't major aesthetic.
I don't want it. My what?

Your aesthetic. My what aesthetic? Your major aesthetic.
What does that even mean? What did you mean? Just like you put it in your living room. I feel it's a yeah, because you guys were coming over.

I wanted it to look like people lived here. We have nothing hanging on the walls.
We play video games all day. I think that fake plants are okay.

Yeah, he doesn't mean that. He's just fine.
Look, it's a means to an end. I deserve to look at a plant, and that's the plant I look at.
Thank you for your card, Mina.

Pablo, it's been nice being your friend. Is it my turn? I think so.
All right. It's gotten tense in.

It's gotten tense. I just want to remind you guys I love you, and I'm not being paid to be here.

So.

Another four-star card. Oh, yeah.
Let me flip mine. Another four.
Okay, Mina and I have to agree. This should be easy.
Four stars. It should be easy, but the category is

book.

I was hoping since this came up in the example, it would never come up again.

I do know of one book we've both read recently.

I don't know if our opinions on it are the same. My books are on public display every day.
If you can think of a single one of the books on my shelf, it's a four-star book at least. American Kanto.

Oh, f. That's five stars.
Everyone's saying. The book about nothing.

Is that your choice? No.

Now he's running bits. Oh, God.

A book?

Okay, hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. I wonder what's the book? Are you guys in a book club together? Is that why you read the book? No, no, no.

No, I just, she mentioned it, and I was like, oh, I read that. I bet I know what it is.
I wish we could do TV show. Can you dig through the pile till you get to TV show?

Just looking at the pile of books. Of your books? You're literally looking at nonfiction books in this studio.
I know. Turf Wars by Demorris Smith is my four star books.

100%.

Oh, is that Chris Hayes' Hayes' The Sirens Call? Oh, Nate Silver.

Sign me up.

Oh.

Have you ever noticed a single one of the books that I've seen? I'm going to be honest with you guys. No, that would be nuts.

Absolutely not. Yeah, no.
There's no chance. I barely noticed the box away.
He's like, here are all the books I've read. And I'm like, yo, when I'm going to scroll right past this shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Books. Okay.
Hey, you know what, Pablo? Name a book. Go ahead.
Describe.

Just joke. Oh, you know what? Okay, here we go.
Here we go. Make a popular book.
Here's a book that everybody likes. Okay, but that's four stars.
You better hope I don't love it.

Babar.

I don't think that was the name of the book. It wasn't?

Was it? Wasn't that a series? That's like saying the Bernstein Bears. It's like a

bad thing. Isn't that a series? Yeah.

I also didn't grow up with Babbar, so you don't get my cards. Whoa, right away.

She's already hiding it. Not a Babbar house.
Yeah, I don't really remember a lot about Babar. I remember liking him.
I can't even picture him right now from being dead on. Four Stars is a lot.

Four Stars is a lot. We did say it was a water system, and I feel like I'm losing Pablo as a fat wife to be on.
What books did you guys grow up being like? That's a fat. Okay.
Madeline.

Oh, sorry for not being

gendered in my

don't do this. Don't do this.
Eloise. You wanted some Eloise? Oh, you throw some Eloise? No, she's too elitist for me.
At the Plaza? She lives at the Plaza. My goodness.

Yeah, no. What book did you guys read?

We didn't read it together, Pablo. We are just two adults who both read a popular book.
It It would happen more often if you picked one up. It was tomorrow and tomorrow.
Tomorrow and tomorrow.

Yeah, great book. It was good.
Yeah. I thought you were going to say martyr because I was just talking about martyr recently.
Wait, we don't keep it. You kept her right now.

No, no, no, I put it back in the bio. Yeah, he didn't get it.
That's the part that you lose me. Why did you keep

it up?

The tomorrow, tomorrow and tomorrow is the name of it.

It takes place at Harvard.

It's about a pair of game designers who meet, and it's beautiful. You should read it.
It's a really fun book.

Jesus, Pablo. So smart.
So smart. Anti-book.
I just woke up.

What's up? Mina's turn? Sorry, my 15-second description of a book was boring.

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Pablo has five stars. Katie has two stars.
Okay,

I gotta get one. What am I into? Okay, I got the fight.
I gotta get one here. Okay, what is it? Oh, animal.
Okay, so Pablo's gotta love this animal. And I, good luck, have to give it two stars.

My animal is.

I know one that he loves.

Yeah.

But I'm worried it'll be too high for you. I mean, that's.

I'm not having a hard time thinking of an animal I have two stars about. Right.
I like most of them. Most animals.

Most of them rule. So.
So it's like, I got to think of an animal that you'd be like, oh, if you saw it. And you'd be like, I could take it or leave it that he would find interesting.

Or should I just try to get his card? Probably.

All right. Okay.

I'm going to go with a killer whale. Okay.
Yeah, that's obvious. You have to, you can't not.

I went whale. No, I think because she said killer, I know what she's trying to do.

Oh, God. I was bleeding the window.
What she was trying to do. It was.
I didn't say orca for a reason. Which is like, I can't love.
A predator. A predator.
An apex predator, actually.

I hate an apex predator, but I don't hate because it's an animal.

So I'd go a step above and go like well i still love it and i i think it would end up at three stars of our being like fully or now now

we're in the parsed but she's kicking our ass there's no

we're not coming back listen it was a risk we are the free willy generation yeah and i

listen to me i loved free willie i fixated on free willie

like um you know when you wanted to be standing there underneath you know when you um this might just be a and like an add thing thing, I don't know, but it like when you like a song and then you just listen to that song?

Oh my god, like a lot.

The free willie soundtrack is one of the greatest soundtracks ever time. It was like probably my first interaction on my own with Michael Jackson.
And I remember going, like, this song.

Talk about that. And then we had the key change.
The key change at the end. I'm like, I'm ascending.
Hold me. Okay.
Free Willie story. Quickly.
I saw that in the, what, where did that come out?

I was like, I would say 96. I was like, 98.
I was like, 10 or 11.

So I saw that in the the theaters with my whole family when the kid, spoiler alert, stands up, lifts his arm, and Free Willie jumps over to Freedom. Sun Min Kind.

I realize I've been blowing up my family a lot on this podcast. Sun Min Kaim

in a packed theater,

stood up

and gave the whale a standing ovation.

I've never been more embarrassed than I was in my life. Amazing.

And no one joined her. She just did it by herself.
That's a six-star animal. I wish she would have put her fist up at the end.

Oh, God. A beautiful animal.
Given that I've, I mean, so just to recap, so Mina's mom has stood up and clapped during Free Willie. Mina has stood up and clapped during Draft Day.
Yes.

Oh, yeah, we are. Yeah, we did do that.
I didn't actually stand up and clap.

I didn't.

I let it chant. Which is different.

Why is this written? Why do I have a weird one that's written by hand? That must be like a. I hate it.

This looks like a fing

ransom note. It just says substance.
Ooh.

Okay, written by hand. So this must be when you buy the deck, which you can do now if you go to,

then

you can write in your own. So I have a three-star card.
You have three-star card. And you have a one-star card for a substance.
A substance.

This sucks.

All right. A substance

that you

are really against, really not into, and you are like,

you could do with it, you could do without it. Like I'm on Yelp and I'm like, I guess I'll do this substance, but I've been scrolling for a bit.
But as far as substances go, not at the top.

Wouldn't be my first

third page of the search results. Three, if you had five pages.

And one. A lot of things gross me out.
So

you can grab one. I know.
It's right here for you.

All right.

It's pretty hard to gross me out, I think. It's pretty hard to gross me out, I think.

Yeah, so I think this is...

You can get both of ours here. I believe in you.
I mean, I had one. I know I had one.

You can't say it. I know, but Katie.

You can't say it, Katie. It would be, I'd say, three stars for Pablo because he's happy it's there.
He's happy it's there. The getting there is what he liked.
Okay.

But now that it's there, he does have to clean it up.

And you would give it one star because it's your only ever, you're not, it's not the point, you know, it's not what you were looking for, but it does mean you got what you wanted, I guess.

But technically, so I would have said jiz, but I'm in

actually saying it. We all knew what you were talking about.
I just gave you my card. Just gonna, you've put me in a really difficult situation here.
So, well, it's not. Keep your card.
Okay.

Keep your card, cut it out. Okay.
We all love jizz. Male loneliness epidemic, please.
There's nothing I can say about this. I know.
Good or bad. Substance.
So I'm going to say

goo.

Just goo? Goo.

Like slime, like kids' slime. No, because I would have said slime like kids slime.

It's goo.

I mean, yeah, I don't like that.

You don't hate it.

Goo, goo, when I think of goo. I'm thinking about like those.
Remember those?

You can go to a store and you can get like a hand made of like slime and just like I that's that's gooey have many of those in my house at this moment.

Yeah, and they are they the way they pick up dirt and lint

hair, it took like dog hair one day. They're disgusting.

Yeah, well, I think of goo, I think of like when you get on a plane, you're like, hmm, and then you look and on the side of you see, there's like gum.

Oh, God.

You know my position, errant hair gel that's like dangling, but not in a

something about Mary. Three seas cool.
I could just see you let going like, I don't like goo. There's good goo.
Here's why I'm going to keep this card. Okay.
Okay. Because you're a hater.
It's because

the thing I hate more than anything, my true zero star substance is just gum. Yeah.
Really?

And the reason is because, as people in this studio have heard me say before, I used to run my hands underneath the desk at school. Did I leave gum at your desk seat?

When I did your with your daughter, I may have. You do.
I'm just, that was me just remembering that I may have left under your side of the seat. You know.
If there was gum there, it was me.

Because I think I said, remind me, and then I forgot completely. I'm sticking my gum under your table, but I'll remember and I'll take in when I leave.

We're both children.

Why would you do that in the first place? Because I had to, I was recording. There was no trash

in there. Yeah, that's mine.

Wait, what?

That's disgusting.

What the hell? What is wrong with you? Hell yeah.

I had to go. Listen, your daughter getting a child to sit,

getting a child. Why did you getting a child to sit and be ready? Because getting a child to sit and be ready to record was hard enough.

When she was finally ready, I didn't want to go, let me get the trash. So I went, I'm putting this.
I said out loud, I'm putting this under the table.

Remind me to get it later. And I never got it.
And I just realized it while you were talking to me.

You're like an eight-year-old character in a children's book. Who does this? I know.

I know.

Isn't that awesome?

You do this in

my studio? Yeah, dude. Yeah.
That's fing gross. Sick.
I'll get it before I leave. Let's go back to the bus.

You need me to get it now or you can't go home.

You need me to get it now or you can't go on. When did you do this? When was your birthday?

Fuck. September 20th.
You.

What?

What an ins this game was supposed to bring us together.

With a hand!

It's my gum! Oh, God!

You guys are f ⁇ ing freaks. What? Were the freaks?

Were the freaks? You guys are nuts. It's just a trash heap.

What? Why is anyone touching this? Somebody get a napkin. Patrick just.

Guys, the inside of my mouth, contrary to popular belief, not a trash heap. Okay?

God, that made my dad. I can't believe it.
Oh, my God.

I'm like. You know what? And I'm like,

you know what? I knew something was off. Yeah.
And to be clear, it was hidden in like behind a

thing that you would never know. What are you clarifying? How does that make it better? I didn't put it like right under where your hands would be.
I'd put it way away. That's how it starts.

I just forgot. I'm sorry, and I forgot.
And I meant to come back for it. And look, as soon as we remembered it was there, I got it.

What's the problem?

Nobody was under there. I don't see.
I really don't see what the problem is.

What did we do? What would you have done? What would you have rather I do? Swallow it, have it in there for seven years? Yes, yes. No way.
I had to just put it. I meant to get it and I forgot.

Do you want to keep playing your game? What did we find out today?

I wanted to say.

And if you had, all of this would have been avoided.

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