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The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, April 2nd.
And, boys, we got a new league year, right? We got a new – oh, wait, that happened last week. We got a – It's the Ides of March.
The Ides of March, the owners meeting in Orlando, and we have new rules, some not new rules, and Henry Lockwood lockwood our insider has been tasked with giving us the lowdown on all of it big cat kind of buried the lead there big cat uh the nfl is doubling down on sportsmanship in 2025 oh per the nfl is this one of your new rules hank say it again the nfl has decided to double down on sportsmanship next season that That's what Troy Vincent said, the executive vice president. That is not on my official list.
It's a great headline that I saw in Pro Football Talk today. And Jake Marsh somewhere is smiling from the clouds.
God rest his soul. Double sportsmanship.
Him and Nolan Richardson. Yeah.
Very happy to see that sportsmanship's on the way back. Terry Bradshaw.
They were talking about the nose thing specifically. They were like, yeah, that's a blood symbol.
You can't be doing that anymore. But yeah, Hank, there's a lot of rule changes.
We're probably going to have to revisit this sometime in August. Yeah.
So there's rule changes, there's bylaw changes, and there's approved resolutions. And you have it all.
I have it all. Holy shit.
You've tasked me with this this and you keep saying you're excited and and i feel like i'm missing something because by my research there was two rule changes okay that are significant or like will affect anything okay what anything else and where we're gonna you're we have the bylaws and the resolutions but those aren't really rule changes but you have you have them. Yes.
Okay. When does a gotcha moment happen? There is no gotcha moment.
Hank is on edge right now. Well, you keep being like, you have them.
You have them. And I keep feeling you're going to be like, well, you don't have this.
No, I actually wanted you to do the research. I get excited when you do research, and I want to hear them from you.
Okay. And then we can discuss.
So let's start with the rule changes.

Overtime is officially adopting the playoff rule,

so both teams will get a possession no matter what.

Both teams get a possession no matter what.

How long is the overtime?

Ten-minute period.

Okay.

So now we're going to have to recalibrate because you win the coin toss.

You don't want the ball first, correct?

You don't want the ball first.

Okay.

Because then you want to know if you need to go for two on a touchdown. 49ers.
Score a touchdown. Yep.
That is the 49ers. How are people going to complain about this new rule? I don't know.
Because you know how overtime works. We change the rules every year.
And then everyone's like, well, this is not fair for this reason. It's going to be the NFL doesn't care about player safety because there's going to be more plays during overtime.
That's the angle we're going to go with. Got it.
And then the other one. Or a tie.
There's more likely a tie, and people will complain if there's a tie. Yeah, that's true.
That could definitely be like a field goal, field goal. Yep.
Everyone's like, well, this is fucking bullshit. Mm-hmm.
Okay. But you get the point.
You do get a point. You get a point for it.
Yeah. The other one, which was done seemingly to encourage kickoff returns and having teams kick it into the landing zone and not just out of the end zone, is that...
Is that guy standing in the end zone saying, return this? No. That would have been a good rule.
Mm-hmm. If you just had a guy drunk underneath the goalposts saying you should you should really return run it back pussy yeah you got this dude i see the i see the hole right there yep this is the sam schwarzstein rule i think we predicted this after week one of last season which was they're experimenting with the kickoff and then what they'll do next year to make it less likely for teams to just kneel the ball out is make the touchback further out yeah eventually they'll just get to all sam's rules yeah by the way if you hate this rule his name is sam schwarzstein and he ruined football hank previously if you kick the ball out of the end zone uh the you would get the ball at the 30 now it's going to be the 35 which would encourage teams to not kick the ball out of the end zone to try and get a return so you can stop them short of the 35.
I like that. Okay.
There's also some alignment. There's a different way to align, which I don't know how that's going to look.
Have they fixed onside kicks? Nope. See anything about it here? They tabled that one.
Okay. Onside kicks.
And I think they pushed the tush-push ruling. Yeah, they tabled that one too.
I would like them to they pushed the tush push ruling yeah they tabled that one too i would like them to do a ruling does that mean there's no resolution though there's no resolution it means that they're going to look at it again at the next meeting i wish they would still this year possibly yes i wish we could do a resolution to ban all talk about the tush push why because i'm sick of every it's going to happen they're not going to change it again and i'm pro tush push i'm sick of them talking about the tush push and whether they should be banned or not just fucking either figure out how to do it yourself or figure out how to stop it it's gaining momentum though that's the problem is now they're up to 16 teams that voted to ban it right now there's more there's more push There's more support for the tush push. Elon got involved.
He was wearing the cheese head, supporting the Green Bay Packers. Yeah.
So I feel like at some point it's going to be banned. Again, it shouldn't be banned.
The only thing that you can do, you can say, I don't think the defense is allowed to push their guys, but you should allow the defense to be able to be allowed to tush push on that side. I forget if we had this conversation, Max, but you should be rooting for it to be banned, right? I don't really care.
But if you're an Eagles fan, in a weird way, I think that they'll be able to do it no matter what with Jalen Hurts, whether you push or not. But if you're an Eagles fan, don't you want it banned so you can be like, we were so good they had to make a rule against us? Yeah.
Yeah, I kind of said that. Yeah, you said that.
Yeah. The other day.
Yeah, right. I don't really care.
I think it'll be fun to be like, oh, we're so good. Right.
My favorite thing, though. And it also stops anyone from getting better at it than you, because that's always out there, that someday some team could get better at it than you, and then becomes what they're known for if you ban it right now it's the perfect time for it to be banned for the eagles to go out on top of we were so good you you made a rule against us yeah no i'm not worried about that like as long as we have our we as long as we have jalen hurts and we and we have our offensive line like we're we're going to be the best at it.
I've drilled down on this a little bit more. So the one way that could make the goal line push more effective, like a better QB sneak, you sign the Rizzler.
You get the Rizzler on the Lions. From the Arizona Ice-T.
And then you get Panay Sewell to throw him over the goal line. I like that.
I think that that's unstoppable. A little cannonball.
Yeah. Yeah.
Either way, I would like them to ban talk about the tush push. I'm tired of them debating it.
I'm tired of them pretending it's player safety and then being like, let's add another game or add more overtime. It's not player safety.
It's never whenever they say player safety, it's never player safety. If they say player safety about the tush push, it's 100% bullshit because I don't think there was a single injury on the tush push.

There's never never been.

It's actually the safest play in sports.

I feel like we have someone listening into us.

Big Dom is calling me right now.

Should I pick up?

Yeah, I got it.

Ask him about the tush.

All right.

Big Dom.

Hey, you're live right now.

We'll cut it if you need to talk or I can call you back.

Hey, no, it's all right.

I just got to ask you a question.

I wanted to run a buy.

We got, we're not sure.

It's going to be like week 10, week maybe 11.

We're thinking 11.

I got one ticket to go uh meet trump at the white house and we're gonna go with the team and i got one ticket and i thought i'd call you guys and see if see if our guy uh max wanted to uh come with the team to the white house we're're going to the White House. Whoa.
White House Maxie? Max White House Maxie? Max? I can't hear him. Max? Yeah, if I can go with the team, that would be awesome.
He's in. He's in.
All right. Hey, Max? I don't think he can hear you.
He can't hear you. I'll relay the message.
What were you going to say, Max? Yeah, no, I mean, that would be awesome. He's in.
That would be awesome. That's insane.
That would be insane. Can we leave this in the podcast, Big Dom, or do you want us to cut it? No, no, you can put it in there.
You can put it in there. All right.
I wanted to say, I know we missed the parade. We felt bad about that.
But, you know, Palantonio's going to be there. Merrill, Mike and Merrill are going to be there.
What? Yeah. Is this an April Fool's? Max thinks this is an April Fool's, Big Dom.
It's not an April Fool's. He's in.
I'm in. He's in.
All right. All right.
Well, thank you, Big Dom. Got to do the background check.
Okay. All right.
Yeah. That might be an issue.
No, I'm good. I'm good.
The fan behavior test, so he should be good. I love it.
Thank you, Big Dom. Any criminal stuff we should know about? No, I'm good.
I'm good. He's good.
He said he's good. He said he's good.
He's good he said he's good because these guys I gotta do this with all the guys no I'm clean he's clean he's clean alright tell him no posting with with Hamas he's not Hamas deal no no no that will not happen that will not happen deal alright thank you Big Dom we're gonna try and talk him into the uh keeping the tush push uh we were just talking about that we were just talking about that all right well well thank you big dom i'll hit you up or i'll have max hit you up all right all right see ya what the fuck man that was that was crazy max that was insane can we keep that in i don't know yeah he said he said it was crazy. Max.
Into the podcast? That was insane. Do we keep that in? I don't know.
Yeah, he said it was fine. Do we? I feel like it's not fine.
No, he said it was fine. Plus, that means week 10, week 11.
I'm going to call him back because I feel like that's not fine. Don't call him back.
Yeah, call him back after. Call him back after.
Call him back after. All right.
Hey, Big Dom, are you sure we can keep this in the podcast? Yeah. All right.
All right. All right.
We'll talk to you after. I do need his social security number.
All right. We'll get that.
We'll get it all out after. Okay.
All right. All right.
All right. We'll talk to you later.
Thank you, Big Dom. All right.
We'll cut that second big dom all right we'll cut that second call yeah we'll cut the second call holy shit that's insane you're going to the white house with the eagles yes dude super boy you might get in the picture if you're in the picture that'll be all time you gotta i'm like i'm shocked i've midway through i was like oh that It has to be an April Fool's joke. No.
He was – I mean, he – like, I think we maybe cut it, but, like, that was insane. We should probably cut it just because it would be so good if he actually goes.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. I mean, that was incredible.
That was wild. That was wild.

All right.

Chris Long didn't go, but you can go.

No, he theoretically...

Something's happening.

Jerry O'Connell just called me.

What'd he say?

Pick up.

Do you think that was Jerry?

No.

Big Dom called me.

Pick up.

Call Jerry back.

He probably has like some poem.

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He's the chef there. Thank you.
So, so, so dumb. Memes tell him to do the Big Dom voice.
I knew it didn't sound like Big Dom. I knew it didn't sound like him.
This is bullshit. I was trying to do Big Dom.
I knew it didn't sound like him. I knew it didn't sound like him.
I'm going to get Tony Rooks to kill it. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. I knew it didn't sound like him.
I'm going to get Tony Roos to kid it. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. I knew it didn't sound like him.
At least I do have... Okay, whatever.
Oh, man. I mean, Max, you thought it might be an April Fool's joke, but you thought it was Big Dom playing an April Fool's joke on you.
He goes, wait, do you think that was Jerry as Big Dom? Oh, man. Hank was trying to give you looks.
No, I was trying to get you to hang up the phone because it was so obviously not Big Dom. The only way he's going to buy it is if you hung up.
I knew. I knew.
No, you didn't. I said April Fool.
At one point, I was like, oh, this is April Fool. You thought it was Big Dom? That was Jerry as Big Dom? Shout out to Jerry.
That was all Jerry's idea, by the way. Yeah, he texted us, should we pull an April Fool's joke on Max? Jerry loves April Fool's.
I don't know if you saw, but he did. Memes.
That would have lasted months if Jerry didn't call. Memes, you've been telling me all day how lame April Fool's jokes are.
That was a good one. But if you get someone, I said this is April Fool's.
No, Max, don't act like you didn't just buy that. Don't act like I didn't just fucking say that it was April Fool's as it was going on.
Everyone that's listening just heard you be like, oh, my God, that was crazy. Should we cut that? We'll cut that second part.
You thought at the worst it was Big Dom doing an April Fool's. Was that Jerry and Big Dom? The guy goes, no, Max is like, alright, good I thought it didn't sound like it Thank God Big Cat told you that wasn't Jerry as Big Dom Otherwise you might have thought it was Jerry texted us, me at BFT He's like, he says Paisan, right? Should I say Paisan a lot? BFT's like, maybe throw one in there I'm cutting No, you're not I're not.
No, you aren't. I edit the podcast.
No, you aren't. I edit the podcast.
No, you aren't. You want to join memes on the pit? I'll put out a director's cut.
Yeah, we'll put out a director's cut. You guys are fucking.
Hank, you want to edit this pod for old time's sake? I mean, if Max, I'll listen to it for sure. And if Max doesn't, we'll put out the podcast.
I'm obviously not going to fucking cut it. How did you fall for that? That was insane For a second I thought it was April Fool's

But then Big Cat said it was Big Dom

I did say this is April Fool's

I did say that

I thought it might have been

The more I hear him, the more

Yeah, Max knew it all along

No, I didn't know it all along

But I was skeptical

I just at one point

I just at one point thought it was a joke

I also, that obviously doesn't sound like his voice Thank you. I was skeptical.
I just at one point thought it was a joke.

That obviously doesn't sound like his voice.

Yeah.

Is it obvious?

I thought it sounded a lot.

I think our good friend Jerry is a great actor.

I thought it sounded just like Big Dom.

Jerry loves April Fool's.

He tweeted this morning,

After a number of closed-door meetings,

Adam Schefter and I have agreed to split duties

managing part of my Take Fantasy team.

Ha ha, April Fool's, I work alone.

You want dark web shit?

I don't think you're supposed to do it all in one tweet.

No, it's okay.

You just put it all in one tweet.

Max, it's okay.

April Fool's, he got you.

Oh, he's quitting.

He's taking a break.

He's taking a lap.

Dude, the fact that he didn't, even when he was talking to Jerry, it took a second for me to say something for him to be like, oh, shit.

Memes.

Oh, he's back.

He's back.

I texted Hank to hang up.

Oh, yeah.

But I knew if you, Max not figuring it out the first five seconds,

Max just thinks this is real.

I couldn't believe it.

Could not believe it.

It's so easy to be the man in the fucking arena when it's not fucking happening to you, you pussy. I've been in the arena.
No, no. I would have seen through that like a fucking glass door.
It's so easy to say. It's so easy to say.
Max, what day is it right now? I said fucking April Fools, Hank. I said it.
No, you said I thought it might have been no as it was going on if you're fucking listening i just like the as it was going on i said oh this is april fools and then and then my favorite part was you asking big cat if you thought it might have been jerry as big dom because no it wasn't man in the arena thank you j O'Connell. You're the best.
This is such... I fucking hate this show.
You guys are assholes. I don't want to fucking leave.
We'll show you this. The text went exactly like this.
He threw his headphones off. He threw them off again.
This is my asshole. Oh, here it is.
is jerry jerry sent me and pft uh a voice message at 11 20 this morning it's uh jerry um if you want to do an april fool's prank with uh max i could call into the show and say i'm big is that big dong oh that's jerry and then go Bing bong, Nancy. It's Jerry.
Bing bong. He said us that.

Oh.

Fellas, you want me to... No, that's Jerry.
No, that's Big Dom. And then go, Bing Bong, Maxi, it's Jerry.
Bing Bong.

He said us that.

Oh.

Fellas, you want me to call in his Big Dom and invite Max to the White House?

He said, yes, absolutely, dude. That's pretty cool.

Oh, man.

Head on a swivel, Max.

It's April Fool's.

You know how real he thought it was because he was like, we're going to cut this part where is it okay if I go?

He asked us that. All right.
Where were we? Rule changes. And it was asking for the social security.
Jerry was trying to blow it. I know.
But Max couldn't have had no idea. Nope.
There's a non-zero chance that Max does end up going to the White House. Yeah, this could actually work.
He's screaming, no kidding. Your mic's not on.
Do you want me to text Big Dom and ask him if you can go? I'll send this clip to Big Dom, and then we'll make it right. This could be perfect.
It could end perfectly. You could go to the White House with the Eagles.
Oh, my God. I just want to stop talking about it.
Can we just go on? I never wanted to. Oh, Jerry's calling me.
No. Yeah, no, this is important.
Oh, man. All right.
He's calling. He's calling.
It's okay, Max. You're calling him.
No, he called me. I missed the call.
He's crashing out. He's crashing out.
Hey, listen. Everyone's going to be there.
We're going to get something out there. He keeps taking off his headphones.
Hey, Max. All right.
I get it. I get it.
This is just overplaying a fucking bit. No ads.
I'm serious about that. All right.
We'll talk to you later, Jerry. That'd be big Tom.
Don't, don't post about Hamas or nothing. You're going to be, hey, don't tweet anything about these liberal judges.
Well, listen, it's going to be fun to have you there. You know, there's the damn cats in the treasurer.
Yeah. I thought it was Big Cat.
Yes or not, but it's one of the Doge guys. Max, you got a street park because Doge took all the parking spaces.
All right. All right.
All right. We'll see you, Jerry.
I mean, Big Dom. All right.
Bye. Memes, we might need you to film Max editing this part of the show.
I'm curious how many times he throws his headphones off at that point, too. How did he fall for that? Big Dom.
I couldn't. I mean.
Crazy. Max, Memes, you didn't fall for it.
You've met Big Dom. Multiple times.
I was still in the studio when you showed PFT the call. Oh, yeah, that's right.
So you knew. You knew it was coming.
Oh, man. Max, did you hear the thing about street parking? Because Doja took all the parking.
All right, Tush Push. I hope they don't ban it.
I hope they ban talking about it. Fair? Yeah.
Yeah. They've also amended Rule 15 to expand instant replay's ability to advise on-field officials on specific objective aspects of a play and to address game administration issues when clear and obvious video evidence is present.
Such as? Wait, say that again? Such as unnecessary roughness, intentional ground. Oh, that's good.
I like that. That's good.
Unnecessary roughness is good. Roughing the quarterback.
I think it's a situation where a flag has to be on the field. I don't know.
Oh, they can review it quickly and tell you that wasn't a good flag? Something like that. I hope that they do the super challenge, which is like in, was it the UFL, USFL? Where at the end of that game with the Vikings and the Rams this year, the face mask, they didn't call on Sam Darnold.
Like, look at that. It's obvious.
Right. Do the flag.
Right. Or there was that Mahomes Texans play where he was like slid and didn't really get hit.
I like that. Okay.
As long as it doesn't take too much time, if they can do the instant, you know how they have the instant review for any scoring play. Yeah.
And be like, did he cross the line or not?

And they just buzz in.

I would also like to nominate the Gene Steratore pick a sport.

Yeah.

Pick a sport.

You're either a football guy or you're either a football school or you're a basketball school. I'm Gened out.

Gened out at this point.

Too much Gene.

You just love rules, Gene.

We get it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's get some more Blandino going.

Yeah.

And then there was some bylaw summaries, which is just roster spot stuff.

Kind of a snooze fest to me. Permit clubs participation in postseason to receive two additional DFRs, increasing the maximum from eight to ten.
Competition committee amends article. Do you want me to do the Roman numeral? Yes.
18. Article 18, XVIII, Section 18.5 of Constitution and Bylaws to not allow April Fool's jokes because it's mean and people might get upset.
So that'll be good. That's a good one.
That's a good one. There was also another one, Hank.
Big change. Pittsburgh, the Steelers basically got tampering legalized.
Oh. Oh, yeah, the Zooms.

For one year only, it permits clubs to have one video or phone call

with no more than five prospective unrestricted free agents

during the two-day negotiation period.

It permits clubs to make travel arrangements with such players

upon agreeing to terms.

Yeah, so what they did was they moved back the free agency,

but now teams are trying to do the thing that they used to do

for free agency for the tampering period.

So it's always going to get moved back.

Got it.

There's another big one.

And then are you talking the flake gate like is this the hate is because they ain't us baltimore cleveland houston vegas minnesota philadelphia washington to permit clubs to prepare kicking footballs k-balls before game day similar to process permitted for game footballs okay are you talking about scouting? No, there's another one. There's a technology one.
Oh, what is it? The NFL is going to be using Hawkeye next year. Oh.
It's a big one. The chain gang is going to be ceremonial.
They'll be out there on the field still. All right, as long as they're still out there.
And they'll use them if the Hawkeye technology breaks down, but they're doing the same thing that tennis did. think the epl also uses it and some other sports use it but they're they're measuring first downs based on hawkeye technology which i don't know it's going to get it right more often but i i love the chain gang i love the guys jogging out there the 60 year old dudes with the chains yeah now memes we can hear you i i agree with you you got to keep those guys out there yes but now we're going to get it right.
They'll be there. They'll be just still dressed up, still looking good on the sidelines, but they're going to be using the space age technology.
Yeah. Did you guys also see the Pittsburgh reporter, Mark Cavalli, who might have fallen asleep? We had a sleep gate.
Yeah. I love it.
He might have fallen asleep while Mike Tomlin was talking. Did you see that, Hank? It was great.
Nothing better than a sleepgate. Yeah.
I was not asleep. He's having to go on shows right now and be like, I was not asleep.
Yeah. I mean, listen, it's the owner's meetings.
This is the most important time of the year. Yeah.
It is funny seeing Jay Glazer was just casually flexing that he was just at the pool with pretty much every single head coach. That was pretty cool.

Yep.

That would be a cool spot to be.

Also, Art Rooney said that he thinks that Rodgers is going to sign with the Steelers.

Oh.

He said, we keep hearing that he's, I guess, headed in our direction.

So that seems to be all signs are positive so far.

He's working out with DK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he threw with him yesterday.

Yeah.

That's a great sign.

It feels like it's going to happen.

We also had Jimmy Haslam come out and basically take a big dump on Deshaun Watson, which I think we all like, good job, Jimmy Haslam, finally admitting it. But he said about Deshaun Watson, we took a big swing and miss with Deshaun.
We thought we had the quarterback and we didn't. And we gave up a lot of draft picks to get him.
So we got to dig ourselves of that hole it was an entire organization decision it ends with d and i so hold us accountable deshaun watson's still on the browns right he is yeah yeah that's very funny they're just talking about him like he is not on the browns anymore i assume he's just not going to be active at all next year yeah then they can finally cut him they did i saw a video of him getting rehab done the other day. Did you see that?

No.

Male masseuse.

Oh, smart.

So is Deshaun Watson over-under starts Deshaun Watson has the NFL for the rest of his career?

Three and a half.

I was going to say the over-under should probably be .5.

I was going to say one and a half.

Maybe like a random.

I think he'll do it. You think so? Yeah.
Some team will try? Some team. He might just not try.
I mean. He might just not try.
Yeah. If they give you $230 million, at that point, your career should be done no matter what it is.
Why are you going to go out there and get hit again? Yeah. What else? Oh, the NFL has captured Christmas fully.
We this But three games on Christmas Can't wait It falls on a Thursday this year LeBron, Adam Silver Bad idea Bad idea And I saw the reminder pop up in our calendars For next year on Christmas Bet on all the away teams Right Because it's going to be like Because we have a family in town for the home. And we have a sample size of two.
Sample size of two, which it's ironclad. I love it.
I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
Max, are you back? Are you back, Max? Sure. I'm done.
What do you mean? I'm done with this show. I'm done with this episode.
I'm opting out for the rest of this episode. Why are you so upset? Tell us why you're so upset, Max.
Because April Fool's is the lowest form of comedy. Agreed.
This is worse than when they filmed your butt crack. Yeah, this is just embarrassing.
It's more so embarrassing than... But again, you're probably going to get to go to the White House.
I don't even want to go. I don't want to go.
Wow, lib of the year. of the year wow damn another news tiger woods is playing in the masters yeah he is i saw yeah he what he woke up and his achilles just felt good he's been sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber which has a lot of oxygen allows your body to heal quicker and he woke up somehow feeling great like he go out there and play so he is announced on his x account x.com the everything app It's all happening on X.
He's going to be playing in the Masters. Wow.
Did you guys see Cam Smith? He stubbed his toe, so he's withdrawing from Live Miami event, but he's having Fat Perez replace him. Oh, really? So he's playing in a professional tournament.
That's crazy. That's incredible.
Fat Perez is going on the Live Tour? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah. These are all real things to happen.
That's pretty cool. Wow.
You guys remember? I think it was... He's just yelling without the mic on.
I think it was three years ago, LeBron James, when he tweeted, I'm out for the season officially. See y'all in the fall.
King, peace. Yeah.
Yeah. On this day in sports, LeBron James is out for the season.
The DOD king is going to start using tees. Oh, really? That one just got me.
That one just got you? I couldn't believe it. Shit.
Remember when Julian Edelman announced that he was signing with the Buccaneers? That's right. Memes, tell us what's happening in there right now.
Max, it just keeps thinking about how embarrassing it is in his head. And he's throwing stuff against the wall.
And he's trying to break the tech deck right now. What? What, Hank? He's listening.
Yeah, but what are you going to say? Let's pretend he's not. I just, I'm excited to see the footage of him editing.
Yeah. Him having to listen back to it.
It's bad. No, Pug is editing the show.
I will be editing it. Oh, did you see? Actually, speaking of Pug, he's not a Pug.
Yeah, I did a pug I'm not pug that's crazy I am not pug that's wild April fools he is bug you see that Luca Donchus got traded to the Los Angeles Lakers no way yeah for what Davis or something 50,000 dollars yeah damn and the impractical jokers was the Mavs Muse tweet that we saw the other night. We traded Luca for an Impractical Joker.
It was just Anthony Davis with all of them. All right.
Other news. Buzz Williams, new coach of Maryland.
Yeah. Good for Buzz.
Good for Buzz. Smart move for Buzz.
I have a question about Buzz. Yeah.
We like Buzz. Yeah.
He's always been great on the show. He seems like a good dude, great coach.

The jobs that he's had, I don't really see, like, is he advancing or is he just going to different schools that are kind of at the same level?

So this move, I believe, was a smart move by Buzz in the fact that

the SEC has gotten a lot better.

He has kind of maxed out what he's got at Texas A&M. His team was a lot of juniors and seniors.
So why not move and reset the clock? Yeah. Pretty good.
Yeah. You're basically resetting the clock with a new fan base who is hungry for someone to say, I love you.
And Buzz Williams, obviously, is coached in the area with Virginia Tech. He's accomplished.
good move to reset the clock buzz we're rooting for you yeah so it's um maryland in its dna is a basketball school so at least he's going to have that they're going to be like hopefully maryland this is a sign of them committing to basketball a little bit more uh texas and a&m is always going to be no matter what way way way way way way more football correct i still think that m that Maryland can get it slapped out of them to be like, you're a basketball school. Yep.
Focus on that. There's a lot of good local talent.
Hope Buzz does well. Max is still bitching.
Yep. Update memes.
Update memes. Give us an update.
He helps one of you guys get into a car accident. Oh, shit.
Before or after I pick up my kids from school, Max?

No kids.

Okay, no kids.

All right, that was very big dom of you.

We don't get the children involved.

Can I tell you a little story, Max, about April Fool's?

It's the worst.

It's the lowest form of comedy.

It's my brother's birthday.

Shout out to Will.

Oh, shout out to Will.

Happy birthday, Will.

Is it actually?

Yeah.

That would be a good prank.

That'd be sick.

Max, when I was in fifth grade, fourth fourth or fifth grade my dad came to school and he had the principal page down and say you get a little pft out of class his dad's here he's got his glove he's going to go to the orioles game and then i go to the front office my dad takes me puts me in the car starts driving me out of the school parking lot and then him and my brother my brother bounced up from behind the seat and they said april fools you're going back to class i had to go back to class on opening day opening day baseball and you know what the next year i actually got to go to opening day because my dad felt so bad that's pretty cool maybe you'll go to the white house i don't even i don't even want to i don't i i actually think you might have told that story day one episode one it was one of the first episodes yeah yeah I don't even want to. I actually think you might have told that story day one, episode one.
It was one of the first episodes. I don't even.
See, I just hate that I probably fell for it. Yeah, that's what it is.
Now we're getting there. I hate you guys.
Part of me wants to teach you about you're getting your guard up, but I actually don't. No, don't.
I did have's also this is we i said you asked big cat if you thought that was jerry's best big dom that was the person you asked the murderer like did you murder that person and then when they said no you're like all right he's clear oh man no that's not i said it you weren't paying attention during the phone call i said this is april fools yeah but then after when jerry called you you pulled out your phone You don't remember that. You weren't paying attention.
During the phone call, I said this is April Fool's.

Yeah, but then after when Jerry called you, you pulled out your phone.

You don't remember that.

You don't remember that I said it in the middle of the initial phone. And then I said that.

After the phone call ended, you believed it.

You fucking didn't listen because you never fucking listened.

Max, you have to accept the fact that you fell for it.

I know I fell for it, but you guys are fucking pieces of shit.

You deleted your pro Hamas tweets. You fell for it.
We'll cut this. Yeah, no, we'll cut that part.
I'm cutting some of it. No, you're not.
No, you're not. No, you're not.
That was a good April Fool's by you to pretend that you were cutting. You guys are such pieces of shit.
You're such a pussy. I wasn't involved, by the way.
I was rooting for you to catch on. You just never did.
Also, it's like the thing. It's like you say something, and then if someone's...
You guys are... You gotta save this.
You should be angry at Jerry. He broke his head.
You just smashed them together. You really...
That's the thing is PFC and I were I'm not an April Fool's guy No Neither is PFT Jerry texted us and said Hey should I do this What are we going to say No Of course And we thought that Jerry would call in And it would be instantly No he left the room again He's taking a lap He's taking a lap We instantly thought that Jerry recognizable. I thought, at least.
Apparently not. I'm not going to look for him.
Listen, if me or Big Cat had done this... No, no, no.
You can't go play for cops. I have to pee so bad.
Oh, then you go pee. I'll go find him.
No, but you just said you feel bad? No, I just got an excuse to go pee. Oh, okay.
Here's how it would work. If me or Big Cat had done this April Fool's prank on Max, it would have been dumb.
It would have been stupid. If memes had done it, it would have been just mean.
Right. If Hank had done it, it would have been also mean.
But the fact that Jerry did it- Correct. Is great.
If I come in today and you had said to me, let's prank Max or April Fool's, I'd be like, really? But the fact that Jerry hit us up, it's like, yeah, we got to do it. We got to let Jerry do it because Jerry's the man.
He's an actor. He's an actor.
He's an actor. That was the best performance out of Jerry in decades.
Oh, my God. We should get him.
We should actually see if we could. He should be an actor.
We should get him listed on. There's no way we're still talking about this.
There's no way. We're not.
We're talking about Jerry O'Connell being a good actor. It's totally different.
see if you get nominated what kind of show is this this is just this is just pardon my april fools just like every other lame-ass fucking podcast in the in america that's what this show is we're just some fucking no he's lashing the other way this is my favorite part of the show sucks this show this show now sucks. Max gets so mad at us for making fun of him and he says that the show sucks.
The show is terrible. It's a lame-ass show.
Did you see... So Buzz Williams to Maryland.
Good for Maryland. Happy they got that resolved quickly because it would have sucked if it was like a long search.
And Buzz is a good coach. Did you see Seth Davis sort of almost realize what fandom is? Was he mad at Maryland fans? So he tweeted last night, fans, fire the coach if he doesn't win enough.
Coach wins enough. Leaves for a better job.
Fans, where's your loyalty? So he's almost figured out that fans root for the jerseys in the school,

and the coach, if he wins, they will love him,

and if he loses, they'd want him fired.

Yeah, what are they supposed to do?

Be like, yeah, get out of here.

Go get a better job.

No.

Here's the thing about fans is fans want their teams to win.

Right.

If the coach isn't winning, then you're like, fire that guy because I'd like to win.

Then when your coach is winning, you're like, sweet guy because i'd like to win then when your coach is winning you're like sweet we're winning our coach kicks ass stay forever i hope you don't leave right i don't i don't understand how these guys cover the sport and they're so out of touch with how fans think they're just pissed off that that the is he mad at fans for not supporting their coach for leaving i think so he, I think he's saying that it's hypocritical for fans

to be upset if a coach leaves,

or sorry, to be upset if a coach loses,

but then to also, when they win, be like,

you can't get another job.

But fans don't root for coaches.

They root for schools.

I know one fan that does.

Yeah, that's true.

There is one fan that does.

But fans root for schools,

and their coach is an extension of the school,

and if it's going well, they want them to stay. If it's going bad, they want them fired.
That's literally how sports work. And here's what sucks for Maryland is that Maryland should not be a stepping stone job.
No. Maryland should be a job that a guy should want to stay at for a long time.
But as of right now, guess what? it's a stepping stone job yeah and hopefully that's done hopefully buzz sticks around i just love it because i think college basketball might be the premier sport in terms of uh guys who cover the sport that don't understand how fans think and also just will defend coaches blindly no matter what well sometimes it's like that in sports where there's not a huge fan base that the journalists that cover it gets so addicted to the coverage on the players and the coaches that they don't understand the fan base. In college basketball, it's always been like this.
Yeah. You are going to have fans that hate when their coach leaves.
Right. That's the reality of the situation.
Yeah, we went through this with Ed Cooley and stuff when everyone was like when when a lot of the national reporters are like why why is it a big deal if ed cooley leaves in conference yeah guess what fans are hypocrites yeah yeah no shit it's fanatic we are yeah speaking of fanatic did you guys see michael rubens trying to throw a baseball i didn't see that old clip it is yeah oh well it's still funny i thought that was April Fool's. I don't really...

I hate when people do the old clip thing,

because sometimes clips are funny no matter when.

Like, there was the guy at the Brewers game who was just pissing in the concourse,

and I just tweeted it yesterday,

because it was opening day for the Brewers,

and everyone's like, old clips.

Like, yeah, it's still funny.

Yeah.

I didn't say what day it was.

Every year when Jason Derulo falls down the stairs at the Met gala that's a great day p weber is is that yeah right there's some there's some we should do like a study there's a sect of people that just love saying that's old old clip that's an old clip gotcha but yeah i mean that's kind of i do yeah try and just keep you guys no no i agree i i appreciate i wasn't saying it was you i'm saying i i was more about the milwaukee brewers fans like i i literally just tweeted uh it's i'm an animal for pissing in the sink but this guy and everyone there was a bunch of people in like old clip bro okay it's still funny yeah guys fucking pissing in the concourse. Funny clip.
Anytime a guy goes hogs out in public,

either a crime or funny. Yeah.
Yeah. Never both.
Anything else before we do hot seat, cool throne. Max, how would you say the start of the show is gone? Great.
Do you like the show again? Would you, I think you were out of here when max crashed out again and he said this show sucks now we're just some lame show that does april fool's jokes he's i think he's been he's been hitting for the cycle for like you guys are running out old bits yeah he doesn't pay attention yeah the show sucks now bring back do you wash yourles. Because you never pay attention.
That was like, what? Oh, there's one other piece of information that came out yesterday. Yeah.
Jameis Winston. Yes.
Oh, no, that was my cool thing. Okay, save it.
Also, one other piece of information, the Thursday night football can be flexed now. Yes, that's right.
That's actually awesome. So is it like 21 days in advance? Three weeks.
Yeah, three weeks you can flex a Thursday. That kind of sucks if you get flexed to a Thursday night game and you can't make it in person to that Thursday night game.
Agreed. But it should.
I feel like they're going to use it very sparingly. But it should save us a couple.
And you know what? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm saying it out loud. I don't like this rule.
Because there is something about a really bad Thursday night game late in the season that feels like a bonding experience. It's a Colts-Broncos game.
Yes, it tests you as a human being. It's like, if you can sit through this, well, last year it was the Rams and the Niners.
But that, on paper, shouldn't have been a bad game. It was just a a shitty experience but there's something magical about like late November you look at the schedule you look two weeks from now at the Thursday night matchup and you're like oh god look what we're gonna have to deal with here and then guess what you power through it together right and you make it a fun time and it's we've said this before but Thursday night football the magical part of Thursday night football is it's the beginning of the football weekend so it's like i would much rather have a bad thursday night football game than a bad monday night football game because monday night is your last bite of football and they're gonna do probably divisional games like meaningful games yeah thursday night football is not ass thursday football games last year yeah but they're fun but that's the thing is thursday night football is not meant for meaningful football no i agree with that yeah thursday football game it's an appetizer for the weekend it's like this will remind you of football at times you'll recognize the guys as the scent of football we'll get some touchdowns right but ultimately it's going to be kind of shitty they're not going to have enough practice and then once the weekend starts you're gonna be like look at this great slate Right.
What are you laughing at, Hank? Last year, the last four was a sandwich.

The Detroit Green Bay game was great.

Then it was the 12-6 Rams 49ers.

The Seahawks-Bears one was bad.

And then the Seahawks-Bears one was the last one, 6-3.

Yeah, that was really bad.

That was a terrible game.

Yeah, but that touchdown throw that Cale Williams threw with the penalty.

Sick throw.

Who could forget?

Sick throw.

Al Michaels probably had something to do with this.

Is he still on?

He is.

All right, so they're just trying to keep... that touchdown throw that Cale Williams threw with the penalty.
Sick throw. Who could forget? Sick throw.

Al Michaels probably had something to do with this.

Is he still on?

He is.

All right, so they're just trying to keep Al talking.

Did we talk about Bob Costas?

No, what about him?

The retirement tour?

That was last year in the playoffs when he stunk.

Remember that?

He's doing one, right? The Masters.

Wait, he's doing the Masters?

Not Bob Costas.

I mean, no.

Sorry, sorry.

Oh, no, I actually don't think we did because I think we taped early on Thursday. Yeah, an 11-year retirement tour.
Insane. It's unbelievable.
I love it. It's insane.
How did he reach that date? It's his contract. No, I thought it was the anniversary one.
Yeah, which is bullshit. So he's going to stick around.
He's going to cut the 100th year anniversary of the Masters. Yeah, I mean, he's one-upped our good friend Dan Patrick.
You know, he's doing a four-year retirement tour right now. He's in the midst of it.
11 years is just absurd. Yeah.
You could easily die in those 11 years. You know what? I'll just say it.
I'm going to retire in 20 years. 20? You have 20 years of part of my take left.
That's sad. If you do 21, it will be 30.
Oh, so we got to do 21. 21 years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 21 years. 21 years.
If we do... So wait, 21 years would be 30 total? Oh, from right now.
Right. Yeah.
So why don't we just do 41 and get to 50? I kind of like walking away at 21 years. No, but 50 years of part of my day.
I don't have 50 in me. 50.
PFT. Let's do 50.
I don't know that I have 20 in me. 30 years.
I'll be 60. Hank, what is your retirement? Counting down the days.
Max, when's your retirement? An hour ago. He might he might quit right now yeah i got 10 more years i i've opted out of this episode you got 10 more years in your hang 10 more years then what you're you're 10 years younger than us you fucking bitch i can see myself doing it until your guys age.
Listen, I got news for you.

There's going to be an AI podcast that just do new part of my takes

that we have no control over by that point.

Yeah.

So if Max gets pranked on April Fool's by the AI podcast, not our fault.

Yeah.

This isn't even April 1st.

You'll be arguing with robots.

Well, right now.

Today is April 2nd.

As we're sitting here.

How did you start this show?

As we're sitting here, it's April 1st.

Today is April 2nd.

This is the finale of this last show. People are going to listen to this show tomorrow and be like, what the fuck? April Fool's was yesterday.
Early release? No. Definitely not.
This button is getting pushed so late. Pug is actually pushing the button.
Oh, so before midnight. This story arc of the crash out has been incredible.
I just love, like. I don't even want to go.
Max actually making me feel bad at how much he is upset, but the funny, like, his two biggest crash outs were a butt crack and a paper fool's joke, which, by all accords, are, like, not big deals. Yeah, either one of them.
I actually say, like, Max gets it more than almost anyone. Of all the things to crash out about.
Right. Like, I was talking with our good friend Peter Schragerrager who congrats to him on his new job uh at ESPN and he was he was because he loves watching like barstool content and he was saying that if Rico had thrown his phone like Rico threw Max's phone on Saturday he would have like flipped out and I was like no Max's Max is cool he gets it he's cool with everything like he didn't even flinch when his phone got thrown.
But God damn it, if you get him with April Fool's. It's just, I just feel like such an idiot and a loser.
You're not. It's so easy to just pick up on April Fool's jokes.
That's what's pissing me off. Hank, I'm sorry for saying you didn't listen.
What about any apology to us? No. Saying our show sucks? Well, April Fool's content is terrible content.
It was a good reaction for me. Yeah.
Great job, Matt. No, no.
Good in a way that I don't want it to be good. It's embarrassing, but whatever.
I'm just'm just – Okay. You're slowly starting to figure it out.
Yeah. It was a good reaction by me, but I'm mad that I had that reaction because it's not what I wanted to be, but it's still good.
Correct. Yes.
Now you're getting it. Yeah, no.
So, like, the past five minutes is me just being like, I wish I just didn't say anything. Yeah.
I didn't realize that I got it. So So I'm going through the full range of emotions during this episode here.
You're doing it well. Jerry first called me at 246.
So it's been a solid 30 minutes of going through all of this. I've blocked Jerry's number, by the way.
He kept texting me, and I said, I'm going to block your number, and his number is blocked. Okay, good.
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Yikes. Damn.
I'm as embarrassed as Max right now. God damn it.
That's tough. I just kind of skipped the middle of his name.
Yeah, you did. Jerickson.
Jerickson Profar has been suspended 80 games for violating MLB's PED policy. Just signed with the Braves.
The real hot seat, though, is the PED.

What is it?

It's a hormone produced by the placenta

after a woman becomes pregnant.

It plays a crucial role in maintaining

and supporting early pregnancy.

It's human...

Is this a masking agent?

HCG.

Now, this is probably why Philip Rivers

had such a long career.

Yeah. If that stuff rejuvenates you.
His by the way is like gonna play college football soon that's crazy but no you're probably right because it sounds like what happened with manny remember when he had the masking agent he just fucked up the days that's a great story what manny was successful using steroids and they had a system where it was like you just have to take the masking agent on this day and you'll pass the drug test because of they had they had the dates mapped out and he just fucked it up so how can we blame the yankees for this thing i haven't gone that far okay we got to figure it out yeah there's more torpedo bats the other teams yeah the yankees are trying to ruin baseball no no but everyone else is using them now too yeah the yankees are trying to ruin base so it's more the torpedo bats than the yankees well who invented the torpedo bats i don't know but several teams had them this year i think it's a guy actually it's a guy from the marlins invented them really yeah i saw it was mit marlins institute of technology i thought the yankees hired the guy from nasa he developed the torpedo they're getting used. It was MIT, which actually you could say it's a Red Sox problem.
That guy's probably a Red Sox fan. The man who created the torpedo bat is Miami Marlins field coordinator Aaron Leinhart.
And who owns the Miami Marlins? Marlins man? Nope. Jeter.
Jeter. Jeter.
Okay. And they're really good.
Marlins are. Yeah, they're dark horse to win the NLEs, right? Yeah, they are.
Okay, what's your cool throne? My cool throne is giggles, laughter, and fun. Yeah.
Specifically if you're in the New York, New Jersey area. Because James Winston, new Giants quarterback in a press conference, said he wants to see the Giants win more games so they can have more giggles, more laughter, and more fun.
And he adds that they don't have the look of a 3-14 team. I really, and I know you guys love James.
I do love James too. Great guest of the show.
I don't like the Giants. I don't really like Russell Wilson.
I would love to see them go 2-15.

Just so he could be like.

What if they had more giggles?

Right.

And that way he could be right about them not having the look of a 3-14 team.

Would it be worth it to go 3-14 while also leading the league in fun?

I think it might.

Yeah.

He's also not going to play again.

Yeah, which is bullshit. So it's like, I don't like, what's he? He can't control the giggles after him fun if you're on the bench.
He's also not going to play again. Yeah, which is bullshit.

So he can't control the giggles, laughter, and fun if you're on the bench.

He can.

I think he might play.

I think Jameis might play this year.

I also know he can control the giggles, laughter, and fun.

Yeah.

If you look at Russell Wilson, you say this guy's going to start all 17 games for you.

In a situation where if the coach loses a lot, he loses his job,

there's no chance that Russell Wilson wilson's starting all 17 games zero agreed uh and then i guess it's an embrace debate i'll wait we can do it at the end see what you guys if you guys address it okay okay pft uh yeah my hot seat is the crown yeah the crown the college basketball crown is on the hot seat. People couldn't bet on it.
Mm-hmm. Crown fucked up.
Now, you might say, well, people are surely going to watch the crown, even if you can't gamble on it. Wrong.
That's the whole purpose of this tournament, is to give people, like Big Cat, something to bet on after the NCAA tournament's over. Mm-hmm.
And it's also a sweet, sweet vindication for our guy, NIT Stu, who is, he takes on all the new competitive tournaments to the NIT every year. Yeah.
And guess what? He was there before you. He'll be there after you.
That's facts. The NIT is the granddaddy of them all.
It was the national championship before the NCAA tournament came around, which he will be the first to remind you of. So he wrote this up and his explanation for why he thinks that the crown did not work is that fox sports did not go through the proper channels to approve the games as being sanctioned by the ncaa to be allowed to be gambled on crazy how do you not do that really the only thing that you should have been worried about that's what we wanted to do we wanted to watch the crown bet the crown also loyola is in the final four of the nitIT I believe they are yeah yeah North Texas Loyola Cal Poly Cal Davis I got the last one no I don't I forget the last one I almost had the last one that's pretty good though three out of four yeah they're playing them at uh Hinkle uh the last one is Chattanooga oh it's uc irvine my my my fault uc irvine chattanooga loyola north texas uc irvine love it final four uh the my cool throne is the jets oh i had that as well and the culture around the jets because woody johnson is offering buyouts i think two thirds of the employees are going to be taking a walk after this year.
Is that correct? I believe so, 60%. Now, I have a question, PFT, because I had this on my hot seat as well.
Does this have any – and I'm not trying to become a Florio Rossini type, but Woody Johnson the other day was on record when asked about the F grade that he received from the NFLPA survey report in February. He said, my first thought was it's totally bogus.
Does it have anything to do with thinking that the report being like, it's not me that's the problem, it's everyone else, and then trying to buy out half of the staff and telling them that they have a culture problem.

Is that anything related?

No, no.

Because what you're missing out here is that Woody did his own study on his own organization.

Okay.

So they had a comprehensive study and the exercise has identified opportunities to operate,

align, and innovate more effectively per the Jets.

Got it.

Because it does.

Completely separate. It does seem to me like there was the NFLPA survey, the Jets failed, and Woody Johnson just said, fuck this, I hate everyone here, I'm firing you all.
A totally normal reaction to have instead of looking at the mirror and saying, how can I be better? Woody Johnson is firing everybody else from the Jets, but himself. We'll see what happens.
So two-thirds of the employees' memes. I think you got to say maybe a a good thing it could be it could be a good thing just being like well we've been losers for the past 15 years let's just get everyone out let's get everybody else changed new blood or he could be trying to get the leak out by firing everybody or he could just trying to be hiring like everyone that will just do whatever woody johnson says and make sure they don't fill out the nflpa scorecard yeah those are snitches yeah so he's saying if i fire excuse me if i uh if i buy out two-thirds of my employees then i have like a 66 chance that i got rid of all the leaks yeah possibly did he do an email was he like send me in five words or less tell me what you did to improve the Jets last week? I'm not sure.
But isn't the NFLPA filled out by the players? Yeah, but you would think the culture in the room and the building. He can't fire all the players.
He probably will try. Five words to fix it.
Remove Diana Rossini from signal chat. Mm-hmm.
Problem solved. Feels like a normal reaction to have.
Right, memes? Yeah. He's got to go.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. That was going to be my hot seat was all the people at the Jets organization that don't align with Woody Johnson's culture.
My cool throne is analytics because our friend Jim Harbaugh said on analytics, math tells the truth. Yeah.
If Jim Harbaugh's big on analytics, he's our shining beacon when it comes to football guy who also adopts analytics. I'm starting to think that maybe math might be a football thing.
Yeah. Because when he puts it that way, I've never heard.
If I had a math teacher in high school that told me that, I would have been like, been like oh okay math is kind of hardcore somebody told jim harbaugh that like hey in mathematics you either get truth or you find out everything else that's a lie and he's like well that's that's what i do he like that's his personal philosophy of how he runs a football team somebody made math appeal to football guys and that person should get a. Also, side note, I went to my son's parent-teacher conference this morning, and he's exceptional at math.
And when I looked at his report card, I was like, oh, you're great at math. And he said out loud in front of his teacher, he said, yeah, that's because of mommy, not because of you.
And I was like, yeah, true. I'm terrible at math.
But it hurt right in front of the teacher-shirt, too. Basically called me a moron.
I mean, he's doing additions still, right? Two plus five. Sometimes struggle with it.
He's like, Dad thinks that 12 donuts is really 13. Yeah.
Why is he always adding in sevens? Okay. Do you guys want to do my embrace debate? Yes.
Cindy Sweeney and her fiance split up.

Do you think that he is down bad or better off?

Like he...

Down bad in the short term.

What's he up to?

Better off in the long term.

Has he been seen cavorting in public?

He hasn't. She's been seen at Glenn Powell's sister's wedding.
She's the one who's canoodling. Yes.
But she's been canoodling. Like if you're engaged in Sydney Sweeney, she's a professional.
Correct. It's her profession to be matched up with super hot co-stars.
That would have constantly been an issue. Correct.
Or like it's not. No, no one wants that.
So down bad bad right now but yeah i think long term would have you'd have to be a very uh confident man to be able to deal with your fiance or wife having the entire internet be horny for her at all times so yeah that's what that was and a glenn powell is like he can deal with it because the internet's also horny for him yeah so it So it's kind of, that's an equal playing field. But yeah, I think long term he's probably going to be like, you know what, that was going to be tough.
Yeah, I think anytime your engagement ends, you can't be up big at that moment. Right.
Especially when your fiance is dating Glenn Powell publicly. And your fiance is Sidney Sweeney.
Correct. Yeah.
Correct. What do you think, Hank? I mean, kind of what you said.
It's obviously like it sucks if you're going to get married and you're down bad. But I think, like you said, long term, he's going to be better off and ultimately...
Living a more normal life. Yeah.
And also, he probably... Like the press, the videos the videos of like because again it's like cheetahs in romantic comedies like you have to do the press stories where you know you're selling the romance of your co-star but like that's brutal yeah hank i think you should date city sweeney i'm down i think i think that's what the podcast needs be huge for the podcast yeah, right? The entire internet being horny about it? The internet's horny about him.
Yeah. You guys actually make a good cup? Yeah, I'm down.
Yeah, he'll be okay. And I think he also will have pretty good- She might be from Chicago.
She was like at Butch McGuire. No, she's from- She's from like that weird- Her fiance was from Chicago.
Yeah. She's from that weird place in like uh so is she probably knows the city per Idaho Sun Valley she's in that circle in Idaho that it's like what goes on here and people like she's from Spokane yeah oh okay so close Spokane Washington yeah close enough so let's see yeah I'm trying to read about her see what she has in common with you.
She. Listen, fiance.
If he still lives in Chicago, come by. Let's bro out.
Sidney Sweeney was raised in North Idaho. Okay.
So I was right on that. Yep.
Yep. Let's bro out, dude.
We got your back. We'll hang out.
Watch the ball with us. He'll be fine, too, because telling a telling a girl, yeah, my ex fiance, Sydney Sweeney, I'd imagine that does well.
Yeah, for sure. I'd imagine that says that she likes to fix up cars.
Hank, she can repair your grill. Oh, or Vanny Woodhead.
What's the update? My girl's fixed. Vanny Woodhead's getting fixed.
We're getting into the spring. I know.
Okay, good. Um, she's got tremendous boobs and you love boobs that's true you guys are practically meant for each other like i said i'm down i'll say it again i'm down nice nice love that april fools oh that's good that's smart that's a trigger for watching more it's a trigger for max's get to our interviews.
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Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program, and he's getting ready for his second trip to the Final Four. It is Coach Bruce Pearl, Auburn Tigers coach.
Congratulations, first of all, and I had to ask right off the bat, it's kind of like a people forget that. When you get to cut down the nets and you're going to San Antonio and you have a Final Four again with this Auburn Tigers team, people forget that you guys had a fight on a plane to start the season.
Did you ever think you would be here? Because it is kind of – you guys were so phenomenal all year that that was completely washed away and it's probably a lot of credit to you but it's been a wild season has that any has that entered your mind going to san antonio and being like man this season started in a weird way no you know what but what jumps out at me big cat is the fact that on that trip we went to houston and we had to play an incredibly well coach hard playing houston team um where we were going to find out whether we were going to be physical and tough enough as we progressed through the season to be able to be successful. And we played one of the best games that we played all year long, particularly late in that game.
And I think once we were able to beat Houston, or at least compete with them, we felt like this team had a chance to be pretty special. Yeah, and you're right.
You cut down the nets. Is that the net right above your left shoulder there? Is that the actual net? No, actually, that was the 2019 net.
So I still am hiding this net and not sure where we're going to display it. Yeah, that's a tough question.
It's like, what do you do with a great net? I would think maybe frame it up, but it looks like you just put a nail through it and hung it up on the bookshelf. That's it.
That's it. That's kind of how I roll.
I'm not really into frames. Let's just hang it up and let's go get another one.
I love that. I would do the exact same.
Just maybe put some chewing gum and stick it to the wall. But you've got a great game coming up against Florida.
You are the underdog this week. Last weekend you were like, yeah, I'm going to self-appoint ourselves as underdogs against Michigan State.
I think you guys were favored in that one, but it was a fantastic game. You actually are the underdog going into this weekend, and you've lost to them once this season.
So what did we learn from the loss to Florida that we're going to take into this game? Well, BFT, listen, I was not going to allow us to go in against Tom Izzo in Michigan State where he was 10-0 against the SEC in the NCAA tournament and 8-2 in the Elite Eight and let anybody say that Auburn's not the underdog in this matchup. I don't care what the bookie said.
And we've been that way all year long. You know, we were picked 11th or between 11th and 15th someplace in the preseason.
And we managed to be number one for a while. And then, you know, we go in as the overall number one seed.
Florida handed it to us. They put 90 on us.
They made 13 threes. They had 22 assists.
They played beautiful basketball in our building. And it was one of the bigger wins of the year in college basketball.
And so they're not worried about us or afraid of us or intimidated by us. They've seen it before.
But it'll be a great matchup. And I do think it'll be a matchup of a great backcourt and a great front line.
And we'll have to make some adjustments, obviously. They put up 90.
We're not going to be playing on Monday night. Yeah.
So is fascinating that you you guys have played all three of the final four teams you beat houston which you mentioned early in the season you lost to duke at duke and then you lost to florida how much of uh those games do you take when scouting uh you know in april or is it like hey we're throwing that out we're a different team now that was all the way back in november or de Duke and Houston case well you know what you you you still look at the matchups I see these coaches um are successful because they are who they are and and this is what we're going to do and go stop it and so there's not going to be a lot of tricks in the bag and things like that there'll be some adjustments we'll certainly have to make some adjustments because what of the things that we did weren't successful.

That's what you look at. How much of these teams, two things, how much of these teams improved since the last time we played? And finally, and probably the most important, what do you have left in the tank? How much more step up do you have? Like, for example, in Atlanta, Janai Broome demonstrated that there was step up to even a guy that's a candidate for the National Player of the Year.
You know, Denver Jones proved that there was step up.

And so did Todd Pettiford, and a lot of our guys did. So if we can continue to step up, we'll continue to win.
Yeah, I love watching Pettiford play. It's so much fun.
When he gets hot, you can just feel it. I think it was the game against Michigan where I even tweeted, I was like, he's getting hot right now, and you could see it.
He hit one step back and then it was the next three minutes he just owned the game. Does he always have the green light or are you sometimes having to say, hey, Tahad, maybe let's pass the ball a little bit? Because if I were his coach, I would give him the green light all the time.
I'd have us losing with him shooting 40 times. Well, Big Cat, that's why you're doing what you're doing and I'm doing what I'm doing.
Because, listen, Tahad, we need him. And his teammates need him.
But one of the things that you've got to do to be on a great team is you've got to all have a little bit of sacrifice. You've got to share it.
Miles Kelly needs shots. Denver Jones needs an opportunity.
We've got to put the ball in Chad Baker-Mazar's hands. We've got to isolate Chaney.
We've got to get the ball to the big fella, Jedi Broom. We've got to get Kapp, you know, some close ones and some lobs to the rim and get him in spots to offensive rebound.
In other words, we're only as good as a sum of our parts, but we clearly need the little fella to make shots and to make reads. And so, yes, he does have freedom where he knows what he's supposed to do and when he's supposed to do it.
Okay, so has there been a game? I think there was one game, I think maybe it was the Georgia game, where he went off where you just looked at him and you're like, it's yours, go ahead, like you got this. Yeah, well, he knows it.
And part of the reason why he banged one and then got three more is because my offensive coordinator, Mike Bergamaster, went to him. And those guys know the looks and they know the plays.
And look, if you just let him do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it, then your floor may not be balanced in transition. You may not have good offensive rebounding opportunities.
So timing and spacing of some of the shots that he takes is absolutely vital. And he understands that, even though he's a freshman.
Yeah, I did notice that he changed his shoes at halftime in the Elite Eight. I don't know if you caught that.
Maybe he wasn't feeling himself in the first half, but he came out in the second half. I was like, okay, it's on because he's identified the problem.
Now he's wearing the blue shoes. He's going to be hot in the second half.
Was that a coaching point? Did you tell him to do that? No, that's good. I didn't notice it, but that's the freedom you give your players.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, no, that's true. All right, so another freedom guy, Chad Baker-Mazzara.
I love watching him play. Love that guy.
He, to me, and you can tell me I'm way wrong, but sometimes it feels like he might be the heartbeat, the energy heartbeat of your team in terms of he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's had some moments where he's been kicked out of games do you when you're coaching him are you telling him anything like giving him any guidelines or are you saying hey we know that we feed off of what you're doing because there'll be times where I think it was actually in the Michigan State game where it was like he stole the ball he got a jump ball got a rebound.
Like it all happened in like 60 seconds.

You could feel the game shift just off of his energy.

Yeah, and I'll tell you what, Big Cat, even though he didn't score great in Atlanta

in the Sweet 16 or the Elite Eight, he affects the game in a lot of ways

because he gets his hands on a lot of balls at 6'8 with those long arms.

He has a great understanding about how to defend, how to communicate, and he makes a lot happen. A lot of times when you give the ball to – like, for example, when I give the ball to Todd, I want him to score first, score second, and then make the easy pass.
With Chad, I just want him to play, because he'll score, shoot, pass, and make the right read nine times out of ten. And so he's got a great feel to get.
He's got stuff you can't teach. Yeah.
He's got feel, and that's why I think you like him so much. And, yeah, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
He's passionate, and he's just got to channel that emotion into being something positive, and he really tries to do that. to do that yeah i i love watching him play you're right he plays with his heart of his sleeve as a coach when you're watching him do you can you sense like hey it might be time to get chat on the bench just for a second let him take a couple deep breaths maybe do some meditations in the back end 100 absolutely um you know teams are going to go after him they're going to cheap shot him they going to grab him.
They're going to hope that maybe he can lose control. A missed shot or a bad call or things like that, you could tell if he's going to overcome it quickly or just get him out and give him another minute or two and he will always recover.
But that's a good feel that you have to have that he has, and he always bounces back.

So one of the wildest parts of the game in the Elite Eight,

probably had your heart up in your throat for a little bit,

was when Jani Barum came out, grabbing his elbow,

looked like he was hurt.

I'm a lip-reading expert.

It seemed like he said, I'm done, like this is it for me.

Was that what your impression was?

Were you shocked to see him come out of the locker room and say, hey, I'm good to go? Yeah, I was. I thought that we would have to play the last 10 minutes of the game without him.
And I knew that Dylan and Chaney and the rest of the guys could hold it down defensively. I also knew that without him, our offense would be compromised and we'd have to do some different things.
But when he came back out of locker room and I heard the crowd first. And so then I sort of turned and saw him walking towards me, kind of a stoic look on his face.
I wasn't sure whether it was just coming out to support his teammates or whether he's going to go in the game. And so I looked at him.
I said, are you okay? He said, I think so. I said, do you want to go back in the game? He said, yes.
I said, well, then get your ass in there. And it was good timing because Dylan Cardwell was popped.
I was either going to have to sub somebody or call a timeout and let cap rest for a little bit. So it worked out.
It worked out pretty well. It was a Willis Reed moment.
And if Kenai Broom or his family were ever wondering how valuable, how much he is appreciated by the Auburn family, that State Farm Arena was as loud when Janai Broom walked out as Madison Square Garden was when Willis Reed walked out. Yeah, it was a great, great moment.
So how is he feeling? You obviously are going to not give us a straight answer, but maybe wink at us or something? Like, is he going to be good to go? Big Cat, I wouldn't do that. He just winked.
So he's good. He's good to go.
All I can tell you is that he's not going to practice for a couple days. He needs to rest and recover.
And all year year long he's bounced back from injuries a shoulder

an ankle um and i have no i have no doubt that he'll bounce back from this but we probably won't

move him much until thursday okay if you if you had to cut one of his arms off and he only had

one arm would he be in your rotation yeah he would be as long as we were cutting off the right arm

not the left he needs that left arm pretty much yeah Yeah, he needs it. That makes sense.
All right, so your matchup against Florida, this is interesting because you, Todd Golden, you hired him onto your Auburn staff when he was very – like he was in the private sector, then he coached, assistant coached at Columbia for a couple years. Then you take a shot on him.
His career has been taken off. He's done great things with Florida.
So it's a little bit of a teacher and student thing. Is there any part of that where you're game planning, where you know him well, he knows you well, where you try not to outsmart yourself? You know what? I don't think so.
You know what? Not only did I hire Todd, but I hired Todd when I first got the Auburn job. In other words, when I hired my son, Stephen, and I hired Todd, and I hired Harris Adler and a couple other guys that worked with us that first year, you know what? I surrounded myself with friends and family.
Tony Jones joined me. He was with me at Auburn.
And so, you know, and then we brought in the legend, Chuck Person, who was a great, great player here. And, you know, so I trusted Todd.
And he really got his teeth cut here. I think he watched the way we wanted to try to run our program, saw some things that we did well, saw some things that we didn't do well, and then went on.
And he's obviously played for a great coach at St. Mary's.
He's worked for some great coaches. And so it's no surprise to me that he's done big things at such a young age already at Florida.
Are there any, though, wrinkles in your game plan where you're like, I know he knows how to stop this because he knows it because he worked

with you hand in hand for a couple of years. So is there anything that you're like, hey,

we know he's going to expect this. So we got to have maybe something a little bit different from

it. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that, but there's more than anything.
Look, they know

how we play. We know how they play to the best man win.
I mean, I just think that sometimes at

this point of season, we're not going to tweak, but we we're not gonna tinker yeah I mean we are who we are and and and we know how we play best and the things that we do best and that's what we're gonna roll with uh I I don't know you probably didn't well you probably saw it afterwards the Houston Purdue game uh the blob at the end of the game by Kelvin Sampson do you have a blob that if I put put a gun to your head, I was like, this has to work, otherwise you're dead? Do you have a blob that you're like, this will save my life? Well, Big Cat, we score 48% of the time on underbasket out of bounds plays. Okay.
And that ranked in the top five in the country. So it's a very, very dangerous place to have the basketball.
Purdue does certain things in their coverage

with how they X out off the inbound passer.

Calvin Sampson knew that, so he put their inbound passer

in a position where he would anticipate that he would jump off the ball,

therefore leaving that window of opportunity available.

And he probably had that one in his bag.

He just used it at the right time.

Yeah, I've always wondered that if you've got a great play like that, I would burn it like on the first blob of the night. I'd be like, yeah, okay, let's use the play that we're going to score on.
Does it take discipline to keep your best blob in your back pocket? It does. It does.
We had a pretty good blob against, I think it was, yeah, it was Michigan, where we actually slipped Chaney Johnson to the basket, anticipating that Wolf would would jump out and switch we hadn't run that play all year long and it was about six or seven minutes left to go in a game and it was it was it was a big bucket for us so yep coaches have got to have some of that stuff in their bag now do you i know it's a little bit of a different situation but do you ever see a uh do you ever run a great slob and then you're like, I'm going to use it as the blob?

Oh yeah, you could turn that thing around. You can slob to blob?

You can absolutely slob to blob.

I love that.

You can blob to slob? You can go backwards?

Not everybody can, but I can.

I love that.

That's a great coach.

That's why you're in the final four.

I got to imagine

there's some additional pressure on you as well knowing that if you lose, you stand to make Charles Barkley look like a fool, like a damn fool on national television. Look, Charles, I think, picked Florida to win it from the jump.
I think his bracket has Florida, and I think Charles' bracket actually has Florida advancing and winning the national championship. So, you know, Charles is large, and he's in charge.
Yeah. And he's in charge of his own bracket.
I do think he had us getting to the Final Four, though. I do.
I just don't think he had us going all the way. So he had Florida beating Auburn in the Final Four? I think he did.
I think he did. That's either extremely disrespectful on his part, or he's a great friend because he's giving you extra bulletin board material.

Yeah. Well, Charles is a great entertainer, so we try not to take everything he says seriously.
But listen, there's nobody. I'm happy in so many ways for Auburn.
I'm happy for the university. I'm happy for our leadership.
I'm happy for our student body. I'm happy for the students, the student athletes and their families that have all, you know, done so much to get their sons to this point in their lives and now being rewarded with, you know, being at the top of our game.
I'm happy for my coaches and their families. And I'm happy for my family.
You know, they've been so incredibly supportive. And we just shared in this life and we share in this, you know, in this success.
And, you know, we're incredibly grateful. And I won one national championship in Division II back in 1995.
And I'm getting closer to, you know, where this is sort of, I'm playing, I'm clearly on the back nine. I don't know that I'm playing the 18th hole yet,

but I'm running out of holes.

I'm running out of time.

And there would be no time like the present to get a national championship.

It would be big for the conference, too.

You're rocking the SEC on your shirt right there.

Yeah.

Some conference pride.

If Florida were to beat you,

would you root for Florida in the national championship?

Are you that pro-SEC? You know what? I probably would because of Todd. But I've got to be honest.
I've got a great relationship with both John Shire and Kelvin Sampson and think a great deal about them as competitors. So, yeah, but they would understand that Todd would be more personal than just about the league.
But, man, at some point there's going to be a picture of the final four coaches. I'm glad to be one of them, and I'm even gladder to be in that picture with three guys that I know and respect really well.
So the SEC obviously had a phenomenal year. Did you see the stat, though, that you guys were only 500 in conference play? Yeah, I thought we would have been a little bit over 500 in conference play, but that one caught me by surprise too.
But fortunately, we were a lot better than that in non-conference play. We had to overcome all season long.
And no matter what we did all year long, we just couldn't get over that 500 mark. Yeah, I mean, even worse mean even worse than that a bigger black guy for the conference i think is that you guys are going to set the record for most ncaa tournament losses this season that's true pretty crazy right like overrated maybe there you go that's that's not the spin that i'm looking for right there and i'm not and i'm not going to be a party to that 14 out of of our 16 teams went.
Seven got to the Sweet 16. Four made it to the Elite Eight.
And two are in the Final Four. So sometimes you don't deliver.
I think the SEC has delivered. It just means more.
It has been an incredible season for the SEC. I had one other question about your end of the season.
So this is also why I'm podcasting and you're coaching. You guys finished the end of the season losing three out of four.
Kind of felt like it was fading a little. If I were coaching, I would have been like, hey, guys, we suck.
It's over. Like, we suck.
What was your message, though, to the guys? Because that was kind of a weird time where people were like, hey, Auburn has had, their resume

is impeccable, but what's happening here

when we're getting to March and it's time

to play good basketball and they lose a couple

games they probably should have won?

Well, yeah, there's two ways to look

at it. One way, and this is

the way I looked at it, we had clinched

the SEC championship at

Rupp a week before

the season was over, and we got to go play the number three seed in the NCAA tournament, Texas A&M, on senior night. All right.
We don't play great. They play well.
We lose the game. All right.
Then we got to come home and play our arch rival, Alabama. We'd beaten them in a 1-2 matchup in Tuscaloosa.
It'd be great to get the brooms up and sweep them. Nobody wants to lose to your arch rival.
And we get beat on a buzzer shot in overtime, I think. I don't even know what.
Anyways, a buzzer shot. They were a two seed.
Obviously got to the Elite Eight. Then we go to the SEC tournament.
We beat Ole Miss for the third time. Oh, by the way, they were in a Sweet 16.
So the wheels weren't coming off. And then we lose a game in the SEC tournament to Tennessee.
They were two seed, got all the way to lead eight. So we lost to three great teams.
And no, you're right though. We weren't playing our best basketball.
I do think that we got a little bit of a wake-up call against Alabama State. My associate coach, Stephen Pearl, called us out.
My captain, Dylan Cardwell, called us out, said some things that needed to be said. And fortunately, in the second round, we played one of the best nine seeds in the history of the tournament in Creighton.
Creighton had been to four of the last five Sweet Sixteens. And that was our matchup in the 8-9 game.
By the way, the 8-9 game is so scary for the one. Because those teams are all capable of beating you.
And we had to play really well against Creighton. And once we played really well against Creighton, I knew that if we had missed a step, we were back.
Yeah. I like how you said your associate head coach, Steven Pearl.
Is that how we do it? Not your son? No, he's my associate head coach. So is there a line that crosses where it's like, hey, when we're home and your mom's around, we can be father-son, but when we're in the locker room, this is more personal.
He's the father of my grandchild, Lainey Marie. That's who he is.
Yeah, associate head coach. And he grew up little buddy.
He grew up as little buddy. The players all called him little buddy.
So, no, I refer to him as son, but he's my defensive coordinator and he's my associate coach, and we're playing for a national championship this weekend. I love that.
That's awesome. Pretty special.
Being able to share that with your son is really, really cool because, you know, I mean, like you said, you don't know how many more years but i and i assume that your son is going to be a head coach at some point so this isn't just unlimited amount of time yeah yeah no doubt and and big cat he's a big kid big fan of barstool big fan of you guys and you guys will enjoy having him on and he has to come way more he's way more entertaining than i am um but look steven could have left auburn years ago and become a head coach A lot of different opportunities were out there for him. But you know what? He wanted to help his father.
And, you know, there's a little godfather in this family. I like that.
I didn't want this for Stephen. I wanted it to be, you know, Senator Pearl.
I wanted it to be, you know, President Pearl. I didn't want him to be Associate Head Coach Pearl.
but this is the business we've chosen yeah i love that yeah i appreciate that you're like i don't know i i want you to do better than i did i i was the one that was out here grinding as a a basketball coach so you could achieve something i was like dad this is the line of work this is it's in my blood yeah oh man that's great so one thing that we always pay attention to as fans is, is the big gyms that

you have to shoot in sometimes in March.

So you're going to be playing in San Antonio, not necessarily known as a shooter's gym.

It's a big, you know, big, a lot of room behind the basket.

Is that something that you guys can prepare for?

Is that something that we overblow as fans watching the games, trying to sound smart? No, I think it's probably a factor. I just hope the wind is at our backs for the whole game.
And, you know, it's such, I'll tell you the hardest thing about playing in a dome is it takes me 20 minutes to go from the court to the locker room. It's like a workout.
Like, you know, it's like three quarters of a mile to get from the, you know, for the, and then if you make that walk three or four times, you know, you kind of get your steps in for the day. And so, like, I've got to leave.
I'm probably only going to talk to my team for, like, five minutes at halftime. I will have to leave early to be able to get on the court for the second half tip.
It's like that, was it the Deontay Wilder fight where he took, like, seven minutes walking out to the ring. By the time he got there, he was gassed, got knocked out.
Yeah. Yeah, you got to play that in advance.
Maybe get a scooter. Yeah.
Or like a golf cart to drive you out. No, I'm not quite scooter age yet.
I have gotten my ARP card. And if I did get a scooter, I would get a senior citizen discount.
But I'm not there yet. I'm'm just gonna find a way to make this limp look like a swagger yeah but it's not it's it's definitely not there yet i'm not there yeah i mean you have been a mainstay in coaching for a long time i i always think back to uh to the tennessee days and how much how much different college sports have become in those 15 years has anybody from the n NCAA ever reached out to you and been like, hey, sorry, sorry about getting you in trouble for having a cookout, for feeding your players hamburgers? No, no, listen, no, they haven't.
And you know what, guys, for me, honestly, the reflection is, like even if you do make mistakes, you know, God offers us grace. And I don't know whether it's, there's any thing that kind of go along with it, like you have to act a certain way or believe a certain way in order to get the grace.
You know, back in the day, I was accountable for my mistakes, you know, cost some people their jobs and the families of my coaching staff. And so I let some people down for sure.
But I got a second chance. And so there are a lot of people that have accomplished a great deal.
But without a second chance, they wouldn't be where they are. So, listen, I am just nothing but grateful, you know, to Auburn for giving me the opportunity to get back into coaching and, you know, let me lead this incredible university.
By the way, you guys are too young, but you don't have kids old enough to kind of go to college. You should really, really look at this place.
It's amazing. I went down.
We saw you this year when we went and did the live show, and I was just like, this place is heaven. You guys were here for the Cal football game.
You guys were here for the Cal football game. I can't remember.
It might have been Cal. I can't remember what weekend, but it was awesome.
It was incredible. It's picturesque.
As long as I have three kids, one of them has to go to Wisconsin and the other two could go somewhere like SEC warm, so that's fine. The Badgers have got a great football environment.
Camp Randall. It is.
It's pretty good. When you say Wisconsin.
You said it all. All right, last question.
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All right, so I'll end the interview with how I started it. Let's just say you guys win on Saturday.
Houston wins on Saturday. It's Houston-Auburn.
Are we doing a simulated fight in like a ballroom on a plane before that game, just so what, like out of tradition, before you play Houston? No? No. We're not going to do that, but listen, I want to tell you a little secret about Calvin Sampson and I.
We actually resemble each other. I'm a little darker than Calvin.
His hair is a little darker than mine. And we decided a long time ago that if we ever got caught in the wrong place, he was going to be Bruce Pearl and I was going to be Calvin Sampson.
Unfortunately, neither one of us travel in wrong places. And so therefore, we don't have to worry about that.
So, no, that'd be like playing my stepbrother right there. Yeah, that'd be incredible.
It's a great Final Four. It's pretty cool to be part of, you know, going into it, the best Final Four on paper that has ever happened because all four teams are just so, so good and so dominant.
So congrats again, and it's always fun to talk to you. Hopefully we have you back on.
Maybe, you know what, we'll request associate head coach Stephen Pearl after you guys win the national title. That'd be a way better interview.
But guys, I hope the product delivers. But I do think you're right.
I don't think you can name a fifth team that this year deserves to be playing for the national championship more than the four teams that are alive. And there's something really good about that yeah yeah agreed i would agree with that it should it should be a great matchup two great matchups and then hopefully a great championship game yeah yeah well thanks so much coach where you go coach bruce pearl was brought to you by tax actor great friends over at tax act want to remind you that it's already April.
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Min Woo Lee.

Okay, we now welcome

on a very special guest

fresh off of his first

PGA Tour win

at the Texas Children's Houston Open.

It is Min Woo Lee.

First of all, congrats.

Congrats on the first PGA Tour win.

Huge win. How does it feel to have that? Has it hit your bank account yet? No, I'm waiting for it.
I think it's on a Wednesday usually, so I'm waiting for that notification, and I think it will be a sweet one. Uh, but thank you.
No, um,

it feels surreal. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's a strange feeling cause it's, you know,

you're doing your everyday life stuff as a usual week, but in the back of your head,

you're like, yep, I just won that tournament. So, uh, it's a pretty cool feeling.

Yeah. It was, it was a very, uh, fun final round.
And, and there was one moment that that i i'm dying to know about you hit it into the water what what hole was that fort 16 hit it in the water 16 and scotty scheffler's you know obviously the guy right behind you in terms of the score scoreboard uh were you like holy shit this is all gonna fall apart right here because i i know that like from a average golfer when you hit in the water you're like that's it we're we're packing in for the day yeah uh a little bit of both you know i was so mentally like locked in uh that there was there was a little bit of doubt because i know i know scotty made birdie on on the 16th green and i can see that uh the only place I couldn't go is the water, and, yeah, decided to go over there, make it a bit interesting. But a bit of both, a bit of both.
You are thinking, hey, you know, this, I mean, what was it, the fourth shot that I hit after, you know, the tee shot was not easy, the second tee shot, because you don't want to hit it too far left

because that's a tendency.

You hit one right, you're going to hit one left.

So I managed to get it somewhere down there, and then I hit it to, you know, had like a 9-9 in,

and it wasn't like the easiest because there was a little bit of mud on the ball,

and, you know, mud on the ball makes it go everywhere.

So I had like a 30-footer and made my bogey, which was, i think reasonable for that and then you know it was kind of game on uh made two really nice pars and got it done but it was you know i was hoping scotty didn't make 30 on either 17 or 18 because that would have made it a lot yeah yeah i mean you're you're a lot of fun to watch i like you for a brief moment on, I despised you. I'd like to give you a chance to clear it up, to explain things, so we can get back to liking you again.
The eighth hole. It took 30 minutes to play the eighth hole.
I think I said that we've got to start stroking guys after you completed the hole. I just mostly say we've got to start stroking guys because it's fun to say.
But it took you 30 minutes, a half hour, to eighth hole you hit your first shot uh under a tree and then you tried to figure out what you were going to do can you walk us through why that hole took a half hour yeah um did someone needs to clear clear that up was it 30 minutes just waiting on the tee as well because we waited for a good five ten minutes there that's a good

question i don't know so so i mean it didn't feel like 30 minutes but i think part of it was waiting on the tee because okay that was obviously a moment that on social media everyone's like yeah 30 minutes it shouldn't be like that you should start stroking guys but i mean a couple holes later we like caught up to them and every hole was slow from then so yes that hole was slow but I mean we had to wait every hole on the back nine so it's not like it made that big of a difference yes it was slow for that hole and I'm sorry about that but um I mean I had a tough decision I mean as an aggressive I wanted to, you know, get on my knees and hit that shot. But, you know, my veteran caddy out here, you know, was telling me, hey, you know, and it happened.
That exact thing, what he said happened. And it could have gone either way.
You know, in my situation, I was like, okay, the lie is okay if I take a drop. It's a bit of a bare lie.
And I didn't hit my two-line good out of there. But, you know, I thought if I could whack it out, you know, 20 yards and still have a shot onto the green, I can easily make a par that way.
But there was obviously risk involved. So hopefully you like me after this.
But it was like it, yeah, it looked bad, obviously. No one wants to take 30 30 minutes.
But yeah, it took a while. I mean, there was obviously the whole situation with the Toasty stuff.
But that, I mean, yeah. Yeah.
Where is that right now? Because you did have a slow playoff that was going on that Toasty was being accused of then slow playing you by walking behind you. Love it.
This is what we is what we tune in for golf, two guys to slow play each other.

Have you talked to him or is it beef?

Yeah, no, no, no.

That's the funny thing.

I had no clue what he was talking about with the rules official on eight.

So I didn't know anything about that.

I didn't know if it took 30 minutes.

I didn't know if he talked to the rules official because after I hit my shot, I walked to the fairway and he was talking to a rules official. And I heard Bones say like, why is he talking to a rules official after all this time while he was waiting for me? And why couldn't he do it while I was hitting the shot? So there was a bit of confusion there.
He was obviously talking about how slow i was but in my defense there's 100 people right next to me and i can't look over to the other side of the fairway to get a number especially on 18 as well to get a number from the sprinkler if there was no crowd it's easy like you can like my caddy can step up step it out but when there's people like around you it's hard to get a yardage. And I think, you know, that's a reason why range finders may come back in.
And that would have made it easier. I would have hit the shot within my time limit.
Yeah, there was no beef. There was no beef.
I mean, he stayed. I mean, props to him.
He stayed towards the end after media, after my trophy presentation. So he stayed like an hour and a half to say, you know, this is what happened on social media.
And I took a glimpse of it on social media. I opened my Instagram.
I saw something about it and I was like, I don't care. I won the tournament, like whatever.
And it looked bad on Toasty because he was obviously, you know, walking back there. But he said he went to the bathroom, which, fair enough, you're going to be 150 yards behind anyway.
So, I mean, for the guys that want drama, like, I'm sorry. I don't think it's as beefy as it looked like.
But, no, I mean, I'm fine. We're fine.
I think we're fine. But yeah.
I did like that at the end you had some fun with it and you did the aim point for your, what, like three-inch putt to win the whole thing. And did you see the clip that Scotty actually laughed as well? We need more of that in golf.
That was fun. Yeah, that was funny.
I mean, yeah. I just thought it was a funny moment.
You're never going to do it ever any other time unless you have that. And, you know, I'm a bit of the man of the people, you know, and I try to make some fun out of it.
And there was no beef about that with Toasty or anything. I just told my daddy, hey, would it be funny if I did this? And he said, yeah.
I was like i was like okay i'll do it and it was just one of those things that i'm a bit of a joke so i just thought of that in that moment and uh yeah it was funny imagine if you had missed that though yeah did you did that cross your mind like in the in the 15 seconds after you did the aim point you're like i better fucking make it now well i wouldn't have done it if it was like three feet no that, that's a bit of a different story. But because it was such a tap in, it was fine.
But yeah, it could have been bad. I think social media was like, oh, that's a bit tough and bad because putting's hard and short putts are tough.
But that was short enough to do it. Yeah, no, I liked it a lot.
So you have three M's that you've credited with your success. Would you like to explain what the three M's are? Three M's? The three M's.
The mustache is one, the mock turtleneck is the other, and then the mullet is the third. I'm not seeing – did you trim up the mullet a little bit? No, actually, the last time I trimmed it up was Vic Blends.

He cut my hair in Arizona for the waste management.

And then I obviously got some highlights to have a bit of fun with it.

And yeah, I might have to keep that.

So there was a moment in between where I had the mullet and the highlights so I might I might go get the mullet again and then the moustache I've had it for a year or two and yeah it's just one of the things where it just stays and you know it's just your look I was the other end the mock turtleneck the mock turtleneck. Okay, that might be in the making.
So look out for it. And I'm looking forward to whatever comes out.
You know, a big week next week. So it might just make an appearance then.
Oh, yeah. So how are you feeling for Augusta? Can you win it? I think so.
I mean, last week was a very big turning moment for me. You know, after the players a couple of times, you know, I faulted a little bit and I just locked in last week.
I don't know why. I think I was a bit embarrassed about how I went about on Saturday at the players.
And I think that's just all a learning curve. I mean, you want to play as good as the first two rounds, but when you're sleeping on a lead and when you're doing that, it's just part of it.
And it kind of, you have to take a moment to realise what happened, how was I acting, how was my body language. And I think that was a big part.
The second time, obviously, at the playoffs a couple of weeks ago, that was a huge moment for me. And obviously, a couple of weeks later, I bounced back and took the dub.
So I'm pretty proud of the way I handled myself. And that's going to be massive for times coming.
Augusta would be a pretty cool one. I played pretty good there.
So, yeah, we'll see. Yeah, so you've played – this is your fourth Masters at Augusta.
So do you feel like you are getting to a point where you know it better and you can start playing it in a more aggressive fashion? Because it feels like when we talk to guys about Augusta, it's like the first couple times you're just kind of in awe and you don't really know all the tricks. And then once you start figuring it out, you can start playing the angles and figure out where your shots want to be.
Yeah, it's a bit of both. You need to hit it good, obviously.
You need to be on your game. Everyone can just say, hey, yeah, Augusta is Augusta is this this this but you still got to hit it really good uh I came I don't know 14th in my first year and I got really comfortable with it I don't know I just I love the way it shaped for me uh not too many like very straight holes you need to do something off the tee which I love that's why I I you know pretty good at the players too it just saw brass just suits my eye uh i don't mind hitting a draw now and then and uh you know when everything's kind of firing it's you know it's fun and i just love the week there's something obviously there's something about it but you just have this feeling that uh i don't know you get there and you're like shit this is it this is this is the big dance yeah so yeah yeah in the uh in the full swing documentary you were they were talking about you and your sister because your sister is a very good golfer i think you said that she's better than i am at some point uh and that if you practice more maybe you'd be as good but you just sometimes don't feel don't feel like practicing.
Have you changed up your practice game at all since that taped? Have you dedicated yourself more to it? Yeah. The last few years, yes.
I mean, we probably recorded that a couple years ago. Right now I can say that I work hard and I don't feel like I leave too much out there.
But yeah, I guess you change your routine a little bit. When you feel tired, when you feel this, you don't want to do it, but you kind of push yourself to do it.
And obviously, it's helping. And yeah, I was always a talented kid.
I always kind of took the shortcuts, but you can't take shortcuts. If you want to beat scotty you got to work hard you know you got to play good and practice hard to beat all these top players so uh you're gonna fall behind if you don't yeah yeah uh i got a dumb question uh and i'm sure you get asked a lot obviously growing up in australia how many kangaroos do you have you seen and have you ever to fight a kangaroo? I said it was a dumb question.
Yeah, no, no. No, it's actually, you know, at the golf course that my coach used to coach at, there was kangaroos everywhere on the golf course.
So I think I related a little bit to kind of like deers, you know, like some courses have deers on there and this course had it. And there's a few, there's a few courses that have, so you don't really see them too much in the wild, like, you know, in the city and stuff.
And when you drive around, but in like golf courses and some bush areas, you do see kangaroos and no fights, nothing, you know, you go up to them and and they usually run away but some of them actually get up on their tail and try to box you but normally they just run away so not really a dumb question but yeah it's it's chill okay kangaroos follow up dumb question then how many spiders or snakes have you killed in your life uh i have okay spiders like everyone thinks spiders in australia are like massive and i don't think i've seen one that's you know bigger than bigger than my fist it's that's a big spider that's a big spider i mean okay so i've only seen like a couple of them but you just leave them and if you're in place, like you're fine. But if you're maybe in the desert, in the bush, and you don't take care of your house, you're probably going to get some spiders.
But you don't, I mean, you don't kill too many spiders or snakes. I've seen two snakes in my life and they just run away.
We got snakes on- For someone being in Australia, it's's not as bad as what everyone thinks we got snakes on golf courses here in the united states exactly exactly toasty i mean okay okay an argument dumb question whatever what about guns bro yeah what about it like i think spiders and snakes are a bit better than guns to be honest good point good The only way to stop a bad guy with a spider is a good guy with a spider.

Good point. Yeah.
It's a fair point. Yeah.
So that's my question. That's my question to you guys.
Yeah. Very fair point.
That's fair. Heard that you got a nice congratulatory FaceTime from Justin Bieber.
Is that true? Okay. Yeah.
That was wild, you know. I had my phone on do not disturb because there was about 100 messages

every second when I was doing media. So I put on Do Not Disturb and I checked my phone log and, you know, there's a couple of friends and then there's Justin Bieber.
And I'm like, shit, I just, you know, kind of ghosted him. He probably thinks I ghosted him.
So then I messaged him, I said media him I said media blah blah and uh I was on the flight to Vegas and uh like just got on the plane and he FaceTimed me and I was like holy shit this is pretty pretty epic moment um yeah it was a very cool moment it was very cool it's uh you know my girlfriend's crazy my usually my friends of girls are yeah going crazy about that and I mean I go crazy i talk to him a little bit and he's a he's a legend so and he loves golf so it's it's very cool yeah it's awesome so i i saw a clip of you when you were trying to you were running some nicknames by some people trying to figure a good nickname have we settled on woozy woozy is probably the woozy's i mean woozy came from my call of duty tag. So that's, that kind of, and I put it on my yardage book on the, on the back of my pants, and that kind of grew a little bit.
And then, obviously, got, got Chef and the Chepinski stuff. So, yeah, quite a few nicknames.
I took the liberty of jotting down a couple others, if you'd like to hear. I like kind of brainstorm you can tell me what you think what about your australian what about the woman onion that's pretty cool that's good woman onion pretty cool uh kangaroo jack yeah that's good that's good kangaroo okay that's good uh whoops i did it amen that a min what's the what's the a min for like whoops i did it again the britney sparrows yeah nah nah yeah your bieber guy your bieber guy and then the last one is woman centipede okay that's pretty cool okay woman centipede i like that that's cool we should get does PGA Tour have any events this year near Chicago no

they got The woman's centipede. I like that.
That's cool. We should get – does PGA Tour have any events this year near Chicago? No.
They got rid of – didn't they get rid of it towards the – it used to be a playoff event. Because there's a guy who stands outside Wrigley Field named Ronnie Woo Woo that he just woos all the time.
That would be sick to have him out with you. Yeah.
Just wooing behind you. Yeah, it was the BMW, right? Yeah, the BMW.
Yeahmw yeah it used to be that yeah yeah okay next time next time you guys are in chicago we got to get ronnie woo in your crew yeah i like that yeah so how are you feeling about augusta what would be success uh i mean right now i mean sky's the limit i feel good and i like the course i've got the record like the course. I've got the record for the front nine.
I just need the record for the back nine, and hopefully we can put it all together. I feel very good.
That's all I can say. That's a good feeling.
By the way, I should have congratulated you from the start on being technically a better career than Jack Nicklaus because you've surpassed his career earnings. Oh, okay, yeah, that's great.
Yeah, congrats. That's got to feel good.
That feels good. That feels good.
I mean, yeah, to say that I'm a better golfer than Jack Nicklaus, yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't know what your career earnings are going to be after you won on sunday but he earned uh 5.7 million in his career that's pretty good that's a lot of money yeah and you've i think you've surpassed that officially so congrats on that that's huge no i mean you know what would be crazy would be inflated numbers what he earned yeah that would be that would be a joke yeah yeah so our producer hank is a big golf guy spends i think 90 of his time golfing 10 working uh but he's a big fan of yours as i think we all are and he's got a question for you yeah i was gonna ask about the toasty thing but i guess i'm curious i was watching a video of some other uh pros talking about how they how much they visualize augusta when they're practicing in the months leading up to it like is that something you're doing on the range where you're thinking about specific holes and specific shots? Or is it something you wait until, like, now to start doing? I think we have enough.
This is every course. I think we have enough time to practice on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday to hit the shots.
But, yes, usually we have, like, stats guys and guys that tell us, hey, the course suits this. So, you know, a lot of people, you know, kind of hurt their career because Augusta is like kind of a draw course.
I mean, yes, you can hit fades as fade winners. But, you know, people that hit fades no matter what, you know, they change their swing a little bit to hit draws so there's been a lot of stories about you know them trying to fit their swings to go to Augusta but uh yeah you do a little bit you do a little bit I think last week was a pretty good uh like warm-up I think Rory and a lot of other people say that you know it's a good good warm-up for it and uh't really, you know, I just wanted to fit it in the schedule because I would have taken too much time off.
So it was a last-minute thing really last week and it was a very good decision. So a bit of both.
I think you have enough time. Like I'll go to Augusta on maybe Sunday and go out there and hit some shots.
But we know, I mean, you watch enough videos on YouTube

and coverage to know what you have to do on the first, second, third.

So, yes.

Yeah.

Do you still get nervous?

Like at Augusta when they announced your name on the first tee box,

do you get nervous?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, maybe not like when you first get nervous, like out there, you're like, shit, where is this ball going to go? But now it's probably like more of excitement nervous because you know you've done it now and then and you've done it a lot now in front of a big crowd so you kind of know to go back to things go back to swing thoughts and stuff like that so yeah you do get nervous yeah augusta for me is kind of you know the first hole is a bit awkward like if you three would might not get far enough but drivers too far so like it's kind of an in-between in-between uh thing and you you gotta stripe it or else you might trouble. Yeah.
Hank's got another question. I have a dumb question.
Yeah. Yep.
Do you ever hit up the pro shop? Do you buy stuff from the pro shop? Oh, man. But even Masters, obviously, but any other pro shop? Yeah, yeah.
So not many people probably know this. I mean, if you know, you know.
But Augustan national uh if you go there like weeks before masters or months before the pro shop is filled with augustan national golf club stuff instead of masters stuff so masters week it's only masters so it's cool to have some hats and shirts and stuff that have just augustan national golf club because if you know you know yeah that's when You go there prior to the Masters. You can't get that during Masters week.
So, yes, heck yes. Yes.
If you look at my house, there's a lot of Masters stuff. There's cups.
The first couple of years, I didn't have a house, so I couldn't get all the cool stuff. But now that I have a house, I just bought, you know, a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff to put in the house, which is cool, which is what you want.
Yeah. Do you download the Masters app? Yeah.
I mean, yeah. Most of the time I watch every shot.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the best app in the world, isn't it? No, it's the greatest app. Yeah.
I mean, every golf app should be like that. But yeah, that's another thing for us, like athletes, golfers, that we want to see how we swing the golf club.
Like we don't know, you know. Like my swing on 16 at last week, it wasn't really anything like the other ones.
What do you do different, you know? So I obviously swung up a little bit too hard, way too hard. And that's something that we want feedback from.
So every shot that we can see, which is, you know, which is awesome at the masters, you get to kind of either get good feedback or bad feedback. So it's a great app.
So let's just say that you had not listened to your caddy on the eighth hole last week.

You would have hit that shot, right? You would have hit that so far. On what? The one on my knees? Yeah, the one on your knees.
When you were trying to, you were taking out different clubs, seeing which one you used. Yeah, for sure.
I think, you know, if you're playing with your buddies and like you're playing match play or something, yeah, you're going to hit it. You're not going to take a drop.
But in this situation, it's a big deal, you know? Like if I mishit it or I hit it back in,

if I hit it right into the trees and shank it,

like you're making double or triple and that's what you don't need and uh to make it even to make a bogey there on such an easy hole like that's that could have been the tournament right there there was a lot of times when i was out there i'm like this swing is for the tournament so don't f it up you know I mean, the scariest part, when I was watching you set up for that shot, and I was like, is he going to hit this off his knees? The gallery that they had was in like a 10-yard alley for you. It's like this shot, if like a regular weekend golfer was out there hitting that, they would probably kill somebody.
But I think that even at like your stage sometimes they cut it a little close with the gallery yeah no for sure i mean yes i probably would have told them to move if i yeah end up hitting that shot but yeah you know the crowd's keen and they want to they want to look at oh they want to be as close as possible and be have a front row seat so uh yeah, I mean, they probably don't expect it,

but, I mean, yeah, it could have happened.

Something bad could have happened.

Yeah.

All right, I have one last question.

I think everyone else, Hank and Piahti,

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Speaking of Augusta, what's your favorite hole?

My favorite hole, I mean, 16 is very special.

16 is cool.

Yeah.

Man, every hole is sick.

Every hole is – I think nine is underrated because of the green. Eleven is tough.
Eleven is one of the toughest holes ever for anyone. Yeah, I think I'll say that.
Sixteen is special. Yeah, it's a great hole.
The right answer is the next one. what the next one the next one you just next next hole mentality yeah but 16 every hole is important yeah every hole is important yeah every hole every hole is important all holes matter exactly yeah eventually you got to put it into every hole exactly right i'm here i my last question isn't as much a question as it just me saying, I think I'm going to bet on you at the Masters.
I think I'm now in the Wu-Tang Clan. I feel like I've got to back you.
Because you hit the ball a mile, which I love. You got the mullet.
You got the mustache. You're Australian.
You're checking a lot of boxes. So just know that.
No additional pressure. But I think I'm going to sprinkle some money on Augusta.
All right. Well, I think I can't speak about that.
But, yeah, I mean, let's do it. Yeah.
Let's go. Do you have a last question, Hank? When you're changing something with your swing or your game, how much is data? How much is feel? A lot of both.
I think it's going to look somewhat where you want it. So that's the feel part.
You obviously got to exaggerate it. If you're hitting a draw and you want to hit a cut, you've got to really slice it.
Let's do it the opposite way. If you want to draw it and you're a slicer, you got to really drop it inside and draw it, you know? So what you feel, you're going to record your swing.
You got to record it, see, and your swing might not be there. So you got to really, really feel it.
And then yes, there's data. There's going to be times where if you have a track man or yeah, track man behind you and you're hitting, trying to hit that shot and you're still over the top and hitting a minus club path, which means a cut, like that's, yeah, there's a big feel and data.
Yeah, there's, I mean, they both kind of go together. Yeah.
Okay. Well, Minwoo, thank you so much.
We appreciate it. It was great having you on, and best of luck at Augusta.

Yes, thank you, guys.

Thanks for having me.

Congratulations.

Yeah, congrats, and look forward to you getting that wire into your bank account on Wednesday.

That's going to be sick.

Yeah.

You might get a message from me, but yes.

Love it.

Love it.

Thanks, man.

Thanks, boys.

Appreciate it.

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Hank, you got some FAQs? What prop slash item shown behind Big Cat and PFT or any item in the studio has the most lore or backstory associated with it? I told everyone about the Dan Marino. Showed the octopus.
Yeah, Dan Marino's wedding photo.

I've got a lighthouse here.

The octopus was sent to us for the BVT, first episode, only episode.

It is a octopus in formaldehyde that someone sent us,

and we opened it up in a box on the first episode.

That part of my take, license plate,

was sent when we first moved to New York from a kid from situate.

Shout out to Andrew.

But that has somehow survived the long haul.

I like this.

This picture from Tiger King is a very moment in time.

Chilling with Chels.

Our good friend painted this for us.

It's the dude on the jet ski.

Doesn't really have any meaning. It's more like, oh, remember COVID? Yeah.
We got wingnut sauce back here. Wingnut sauce.
Wingnut's a big part of my take lore. Jeff Fisher, a caricature of Jeff Fisher.
One of the OGs is a part of my take. Jeff.
My DC Defenders jersey. We could clean this place up a little.
I kind of like it. Yeah.
I wish we had better. This needs to be fixed.
Every time we hit it. I feel like they're not fastened correctly.
Can we do that? Yeah. Hank, I'm trying to remember why I bought you that $500 cowhead.
I want to bet. You know what that betzona it was arizona something to do with the southwest super bowl yeah something to do with that it was yeah you had to buy me 250 dollars worth of arizona yeah southwestern lure yeah okay i wanted to i mean bring that in my house and then it got broken the blake bortles jersey yeah blake oh game ball from Big Dom.
Big Dom, big part of the show. Big part of the show, Big Dom.
And that's a real game ball, not from Jerry O'Connell. No, that's real.
That's from Big Dom. Really Big Joe.
Yeah. Is there one result of a game you wish you could change for show purposes only? See if you guys did.
This guy gave an example. Curious if you guys would think of it.
You know what? I wish Big Cat could have won the Hail Mary game. I really wish.
That would have been so good for you. Or if it was just a single doink.
No. Okay.
I wish it was a triple doink. Yeah, I guess that would be the one.
I wish it would have been worse. I think the Bears could have won the Super Bowl that year.

Honestly.

I do.

This guy said UCF over Zion's Duke.

I would have a five-year-old. I would have a five-year-old.

He's right.

I would have a five-year-old catcher now named LeBron Lockwood.

That's 100% right.

I also, I'll say this.

I wish that, did you guys ever get to a game seven against the Sixers?

Yeah.

I would have liked for the Sixers to beat the Celtics just to,

Max, have one on that.

Thank you. I wish that – did you guys ever get to a game seven against the Sixers? Yeah.
I would have liked for the Sixers to beat the Celtics just to max have one on that. Mm-hmm.
That would be nice. Also, the – what was it? Two years ago? Was it the – was the overalls? That was the NLCS.
I wanted max in the World Series then too. Remember they were up.
This is Diamondbacks. Yeah.
Pretty much anything max I want, I want him to win. We just won.
It's true. Yeah, he did.
You're going to the White House. I've root for my guy, Max.
Yeah. I would have liked the Jets to win one more game in that stretch this year to have memes just strung along a little bit more.
Bill's winning that the 11-second overtime. Oh, yeah.
that's a good one. Would have been great.
Yeah. If the Jaguars had beaten the Patriots in the AFC Championship game, Blake Bortles goes to the Super Bowl.
Blake Bortles in the Super Bowl would have been scenes. The Cat 1-0 is the winner.
That's absolutely the winner. Good call.
What's up, Big Cat, Petite, PFT, Horny Hank, and Mad Max? Are there any non-athlete guests that you all have been wanting to interview but haven't been able to? Any of the guys from Blink-182? Glenn Powell. Or what's the guy in White Lotus? Oh, Walter Goggons.
That guy. Yeah.
He's Chalamet. Awesome.
Oh, Chalamet's a great call. Matt, way to opt back in.
Goggins, Danny McBride.

Danny McBride, great call.

Because you got Goggins in, he's in that show too.

Yeah, yeah.

Danny McBride, great call.

Miley.

Will Ferrell would be fun.

Will Ferrell would be fun.

Vince Vaughn would be fun in person.

Owen Wilson.

Ben Stiller.

Ben Stiller. Yeah, what a G.
let's get him on yeah Severance um all right last one okay which PMT guest I know the answer to this I think which PMT guest has had the best career after being on PMT oh actually no never mind I take mine mentally. I mean, Josh Allen has to be at the top because he came on PMT before he even got drafted.
Yep. Yelich.
Yelich is pretty high. He was already pretty big, though.
But he blossomed. Brooks won a couple majors after.
He had won one. He had won one.
So he won four more. Yeah, four more is pretty high.
Yeah.

That's pretty damn good.

Jimmy Tatro.

We remind him of that. I mean, Jimmy Tatro literally, like, we made his career.

Yeah.

His entire career.

He didn't.

It wasn't when he was on, but I always laugh at the 49ers hotel.

Oh, yeah.

George Kittle.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When McGlinchey and Joe Staley were like, hey, we got this rookie who loves you guys and listens to every episode.

Can you take a picture with him?

We're like, yeah.

Kittle.

Fucking best tight end.

And the man.

I mean, the answer might be, well, I guess he's not a guest, but Charlie Woods.

Charlie Woods, future guest.

That's a good question, though.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's josh allen brooks kittle and kittle i think those are those are the top of the line because those were those all were very early that we had them on and they've had very good careers ryan whitney ryan whitney was a nobody and then he came to part of my take and now he's got a world-class podcast and and a line of liquor now that i'm obsessed with golf it's all i think about it's all i watch it's all i consume it's all basically my entire life uh i laugh thinking about those brooks interviews and like how little i like i didn't like we were just like yeah we got brooks kept i was like who yeah and then you know at that, I was just setting up and recording interviews. And I was just like, yep, another interview.
Cool. Pretty good.
And now I like go back and watch. Like I've watched, you know, 2018 Brooks final round.
Chinook like 2018. Like you're one of those sickos that watches two hours.
Yeah. Helps me go to sleep.
Yeah. Jack Gokey.
Yeah. He's in the G League.
What's he doing? I think he's on Detroit G League. Caruso.
Caruso. Great guy, but he's always been good at basketball.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Okay. That's a good question, though.
Max, do you have anything more about it? Any guys? Max, you got anyone? Anyone, Max? No one. Come on, Max.
Schwarber. Yeah, Schwar yeah we had schwarber on before the cubs world series that was 2016 no no it was after he tore his acl you're right you're right it was right after so that doesn't that doesn't count as much that's a good question though we'll have to think i'll have to think about that that is one of those questions that i i'll i'll think about like at like midnight tonight like oh shit we missed an obvious one so when we had on when they were super early on and then went on to do great things jayden we had him on before he won the heisman that's true that is true jayden is is although no he won the heisman i think he did it with the heisman oh he did yeah okay so right after yeah yeah because i I was thinking Joe Burrow was like, he literally won a Heisman.
I think he did it with the Heisman. Oh, he did? Yeah.
Okay, so right after. Yeah, yeah, because I was thinking Joe Burrow was like he literally won a Heisman in a national championship.
So it's kind of already doing it. Pug, you might have to edit a little tonight.
No. Yeah, I was listening in.
I couldn't tell. Yeah.
Well, no, you don't have to edit. You just have to put it like there's no edits needed.
It's just you're going to have to put it out. You're going to have to make sure that nobody else sneaks in and edits.
That's fine. I'll do my best.
Okay. I had to really answer that question because it might be Hank.
Oh, it was on episode one. Part of my take half asleep.
Now he's about to date Sidney Sweeney. That's true.
Retire at 40. He's basically the next impractical joker with what he did to Max today.
Yeah.

I didn't do anything. I was rooting for Max.

You're the next winner. I was bewildered.

Stunned.

He took the headphones off.

I texted memes and was like, there's no way this is happening, right?

I thought Max was in on it.

All right.

Numbers.

Three.

61.

One. Keep getting me fixing the camera.

I don't know. All right.
Numbers. Three.
61.

One.

Keep getting me fixing the camera.

I'll do 15.

15.

Also, Patrick Mahomes, you guys interviewed him before he.

Oh, yeah.

Before he won a Super Bowl.

Good call.

You got him on the loss.

Yeah.

That's true.

Max, number.

You can't.

Come on, dude.

Did he win his first?

No. Oh, he lost to Brady.
Yeah. yeah max you got to do a number come on we all love you me what what number yeah what number max max has been lowering his headphones so he couldn't hear oh okay I didn't have headphones on what number max uh memes can have my number today uh it's gonna no that's not that's not that's not official memes gets my number memes was in on it memes heard no but jerry o'connell he heard the call no memes i don't talk i don't but memes is being nice and he was saying that april fool's jokes are lame all day and he agrees still agrees that.
Wait, you still think it's lame? Yep. That was a good one.

Yeah.

99%. I was just giving you my fucking number, dude.

I was just giving you my number.

All right, Max, guess your own number.

78.

78.

I took 78.

Good.

I hope you did.

Take it.

I don't want a number anymore.

Did you actually have 78?

Nah, just kidding.

Oh, no.

You got him again.

99, Pug.

Shane, Jack?

44.

21.

All right.

Memes, you had 15, right?

Yeah.

What did you have, PFT?

61.

I have three.

Hank?

One.

Max has 78. Memes has 78.
Max has 78. Two numbers.
97. 97.
You want to do one more? Yeah, I'll do one more. Let's do one more.
Everyone say your numbers. Memes, you want it? Two.
Three. Memes, what? I'll take 15.
Memes, what's the second number you want? 44. 44.
That's not Memes' number. That's your number, Max.
Max, I'll make a deal with you. If you get the number right now, you can edit the podcast however you want.
I don't want the deal. I don't want you to have the satisfaction of the deal.
He's smart. He's learning.
He's learning. He's learning.
99, but.

28.

All right.

I have 15.

Memes has three.

61.

What do you have, Hank?

Two.

92.

Love you guys Thank you. Thank you.