Auburn HC Bruce Pearl, PGA Pro Min Woo Lee, NFL Rule Changes, Someone On The Show Quits The Podcast Mid Episode And FAQ's

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we've got a twofer for the people. We have Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl getting ready for the final four.

Speaker 1 Great talk with him. Some basketball talk, blobs and slobs.

Speaker 1 Great time with him. And then we also have Min Wu Lee fresh off of his big win on Sunday.
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Speaker 1 We're going to talk about the NFL league meetings, new rules that come out.

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Today is Wednesday, April 2nd. And boys, we got a new league year, right? We got a new.
Oh, wait, that happened last week. We got a...

Speaker 7 It's the Ides of March.

Speaker 1 The Ides of March, the owners meeting in Orlando, and we have new rules, some not new rules, and Henry Lockwood, our insider, has been tasked with giving us the lowdown on all of this.

Speaker 7 Well, Big Cat kind of buried the lead there, Big Cat.

Speaker 7 The NFL is doubling down on sportsmanship in 2025.

Speaker 1 Oh. Per the NFL.
Is this one of your new rules, Hank?

Speaker 7 Say it again. The NFL has decided to double down on sportsmanship next season.
That's what Troy Vincent said, the executive vice president.

Speaker 8 That is not on my official list.

Speaker 7 It's a great headline that I saw in Pro Football Talk today. And Jake Marsh somewhere is smiling from the clouds.
God rest his soul. Double soul.
Him and Nolan Richardson. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Very happy to see that sportsmanship's on the bottom. Terry Bradshaw.
They were talking about the

Speaker 7 nose thing specifically. They're like, yeah, that's a blood symbol.
You can't be doing that anymore. But yeah, Hank, there's a lot of rule changes.

Speaker 7 We're probably going to have to revisit this sometime in August. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So there's rules changes, there's bylaw changes, and there's approved resolutions.

Speaker 1 And you have it all.

Speaker 8 I have it all. Holy shit.

Speaker 8 You tasked me with this and you keep saying you're excited, and I feel like I'm missing something because

Speaker 8 by my research, there was two rule changes

Speaker 8 that are significant or like will affect anything. Okay.

Speaker 1 Anything else? And where are we going to you address?

Speaker 8 Well, we have the bylaws and the resolutions, but those aren't really rule changes.

Speaker 1 But you have them. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 8 When does the gotcha moment happen?

Speaker 1 There is no congressional moment.

Speaker 7 Hank is on edge right now. You think it's...

Speaker 1 Well, you keep being like, you have them, you have them.

Speaker 8 And I keep feeling you're going to be like, well, you don't have this.

Speaker 1 No, I actually have, I wanted you to do the research. I get excited when you do research, and I want to hear them from you.
Okay. And then we can discuss.

Speaker 7 So let's start with the rule changes.

Speaker 8 Overtime is officially adopting the playoff rule. So both teams will get a possession no matter what.

Speaker 1 Both teams get a possession no matter what. How long is the overtime?

Speaker 8 10-minute period. Okay, okay.

Speaker 7 So that now we're going to have to recalibrate because you win the coin toss. You don't want the ball first, correct?

Speaker 1 You don't want the ball first. Okay.
Because then you want to know if you need to go for two on a a touchdown. 49ers.
Score a touchdown. Yep.
That is the 49ers.

Speaker 1 How are people going to complain about this new rule?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Because you know how overtime works.

Speaker 1 We change the rules every year.

Speaker 1 And then everyone's like, well, this is not fair for this reason.

Speaker 7 It's going to be the NFL doesn't care about player safety because there's going to be more plays during overtime. That's the angle we're going to go with.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 8 And then the other one.

Speaker 1 Or a tie. There's more likely a tie, and people complain if if there's a tie.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 That could definitely be like a field goal, field goal. Yep.
And it's like, well, this is fucking bullshit. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But you get the point.

Speaker 7 You do get a point. You get a point for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 The other one, which was done seemingly to encourage kickoff returns

Speaker 8 and having teams kick it into the landing zone and not just out of the end zone is that.

Speaker 1 Guy standing in the end zone saying, return this. Nope.
That would have been a good rule. If you just had a guy like drunk underneath the goalposts, saying you should really return it.

Speaker 7 Run it back, pussy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got this, dude.

Speaker 1 I see the hole right there. Yep.

Speaker 7 This is the Sam Schwartzein rule. I think we predicted this after week one of last season, which was they're experimenting with the kickoff.

Speaker 7 And then what they'll do next year to make it less likely for teams to just kneel the ball out is make the touchback further out. Yeah.
Eventually they'll just get to all Sam's rules.

Speaker 7 By the way, if you hate this rule, his name is Sam Schwartzein and he ruined football. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 8 Previously, if you kick the ball out of the end zone,

Speaker 8 you would get the ball at the 30. Now it's going to be the 35, which would encourage teams to not kick the ball out of the end zone to try and get a return so you can stop them short of the 35.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 8 Okay. There's also some alignment.
There's different ways, a different way to align, which I don't know how that's going to look.

Speaker 1 Have they fixed on-side kicks?

Speaker 8 Nope. See anything about here.

Speaker 7 They tabled that one. Okay.

Speaker 8 On-side kicks. And I think they pushed the tush-push ruling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they tabled that one, too. I would like them to do a ruling.

Speaker 8 Does that mean there's no resolution, though? There's no resolution.

Speaker 7 It means that they're going to look at it again at the next meeting.

Speaker 1 I wish they would.

Speaker 8 Still this year.

Speaker 7 Possibly. Yes.

Speaker 1 I wish we could do a resolution to ban all talk about the tush-push. Why? Because I'm sick of every...

Speaker 1 It's going to happen. They're not going to change it again.
And I'm pro-Tush Push.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of them talking about the Tush Push and whether they should be banned or not. Just fucking either figure out how to do it yourself or figure out how to stop it.

Speaker 7 It's gaining momentum, though. That's the problem.
Now they're up to 16 teams that voted to ban it right now.

Speaker 1 There's more pushers?

Speaker 7 There's more support for the tush push. Elon got involved.
He was one of the cheese head supporting the Green Bay Packers. Yeah.
So I feel like at some point it's going to be banned.

Speaker 7 Again, it shouldn't be banned. The only thing that you can do, you can say, I don't think the defense is allowed to push their guys.

Speaker 7 But you should allow the defense to be able to be allowed to tush push on that side.

Speaker 1 I forget if we had this conversation, Max, but you should be rooting for it to be banned, right?

Speaker 1 I don't really care.

Speaker 1 But if you're an Eagles fan, in a weird way, I think that they'll be able to do it no matter what with Jalen Hurts, whether you push or not.

Speaker 1 But if you're an Eagles fan, don't you want it banned so you can be like, we were so good, they had to make a rule against us? Yeah. I kind of, yeah, I kind of said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you said that the other day. Yeah, right.
I don't really care. I think it'll be fun to be like, oh,

Speaker 1 we're so good. Right.
My favorite thing, though.

Speaker 1 And it also stops anyone from getting better at it than you, because that's always out there that like someday some team could get better at it than you, and then it becomes what they're known for.

Speaker 1 If you ban it right now, it's the perfect time for it to be banned for the Eagles to go out on top of we were so good, you made a rule against us. Yeah, no, I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 1 Like, as long as we have our

Speaker 1 as long as we have Jalen Hurts and we have our offensive line, we're going to be the best at it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I've drilled down on this a little bit more. So, the one way that could make the goal line push more effective, like a better QB sneak, you sign the Rizzler.

Speaker 7 You get the Rizzler on the Lions.

Speaker 1 From the Arizona Ice-T.

Speaker 7 And then

Speaker 7 you get Panay Sewell to throw him over the goal line.

Speaker 1 I like that. I think that that's on stop.
A little cannonball. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Either way, I would like them to ban talk about the touch push. I'm tired of them debating it.

Speaker 1 I'm tired of them pretending it's player safety and then being like, let's add another game or add more overtime. It's not player safety.

Speaker 1 It's never, whenever they say player safety, it's never player safety.

Speaker 7 If they say player safety about the tush push, it's 100% bullshit because I don't think there was a single injury on the tush push. There's never been.

Speaker 7 It's actually the safest play in sports.

Speaker 1 I feel like we have someone listening into us. Big Dom is calling me right now.
Should I pick up? Should cut it. Ask him about the Tush Push.

Speaker 1 Big Dom. Hey, you're live right now.
We'll cut it if you need to talk or I can call you back. Hey, no, I it's all right.
I just gotta ask you a question. Uh,

Speaker 1 I wanted to run up by you. Um,

Speaker 1 uh, we got uh

Speaker 1 we're not sure. It's gonna be like week week 10, week, maybe 11.
We're thinking 11.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 I got one ticket to go

Speaker 1 meet Trump at the White House.

Speaker 1 And we're gonna go with the team, and I got one ticket, and I thought I'd call you guys and

Speaker 1 see if our guy Max wanted to

Speaker 1 come with the team to the White House. We're going with the White House.
None of that. Whoa.

Speaker 1 White House Maxie? Max! White House Maxie?

Speaker 1 Max?

Speaker 1 I can't hear him. Max?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 if I can go with the team, that would be a fine.

Speaker 1 He's in. He's in.

Speaker 1 All right. Hey, Max?

Speaker 1 I don't think he can hear him. He can't hear you.
I'll relay the max. master.
What were you going to say, Max? Yeah, no, I mean, that would be. He's in.

Speaker 1 That's insane. That would be insane.
Can we leave this in the podcast, Big Dom, or do you want us to cut it? No, no,

Speaker 1 you can put it in there.

Speaker 1 You can put it in there. All right.
I wanted to say, I know he missed the parade. We felt bad about that, but,

Speaker 1 you know, Palantonio's going to be there.

Speaker 1 Meryl,

Speaker 1 Mike and Meryl are going to be there.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is this an April Fool's? Max thinks this is an April Fool's, Big Dom.

Speaker 1 It's not an April Fool's.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's in. He's in.

Speaker 1 He's in.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thank you, Big Dom.

Speaker 1 We've got to do the background check. Okay, all right.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that might be an issue.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm good.

Speaker 7 The same behavior test, so he should be good. I love it.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Any criminal stuff we should know about? No, I'm good. I'm good.
He's good. He said he's good.
He said he's good. He He said he's good.

Speaker 1 These guys, I got to do this with all the guys. No, I'm clean.
He's clean. He's clean.
He's clean. All right.

Speaker 1 Tell him no posting with

Speaker 1 Hamas. He's not Hamas.

Speaker 1 That will not happen. That will not happen.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Big Dom.

Speaker 1 We're going to try and talk him into the keeping the tush push. Hey, we were just talking about that.
We were just talking about that. All right.
Well, thank you, Big Dom.

Speaker 1 I'll hit you up or I'll have Max hit you up.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
See ya.

Speaker 1 What the fuck, Max?

Speaker 1 That was crazy. Max.

Speaker 1 That was insane.

Speaker 1 Do we keep that in?

Speaker 7 I don't know. Yeah, he said it was fine.

Speaker 1 Do we, I feel like it's not fine.

Speaker 7 No, he said it was fine. Plus, that means week 10, week 10.

Speaker 1 I'm going to call him back because I feel like that's not fine.

Speaker 1 Don't call him back.

Speaker 8 Don't call him back after. Call him back after.
Call him back after.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Hey, Big Dom, are you sure we can keep this in the podcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
We'll talk to you after.

Speaker 1 I do need his social security number. All right.
We'll get that.

Speaker 1 We'll get it all out after. Okay.
All right. All right.
All right. We'll talk to you later.
Thank you, Big Dom. All right.

Speaker 1 Jeez. We'll cut that second call.
Yeah, we'll cut the second call. Holy shit.
That's insane. You're going to the White House? With the Eagles? What the fuck?

Speaker 7 Super Bowl. You might get in the picture.

Speaker 8 If you're in the picture, that'll be all time.

Speaker 1 You got to get shot. I'm like, I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 Midway through, I was like, oh, that has to be an April Fool's joke.

Speaker 1 No, he was. I mean, he, like, I think we maybe cut it, but, like, we have, that was insane.

Speaker 8 We should probably cut it just because it'd be so good if he's actually goes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was incredible. That was, that was, that was wild.
That was wild.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 Chris Long didn't go, but you can go.

Speaker 1 No, he theoretically. Something's happening.
Jerry O'Connell just called me. What did he say?

Speaker 1 Pick up.

Speaker 1 Do you think that was Jerry? No,

Speaker 1 Big Dom called me.

Speaker 1 Pick up. Call Jerry back.

Speaker 1 He probably has some poll shots or thing.

Speaker 1 He is so dumb.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 so,

Speaker 1 so dumb.

Speaker 1 Meeve selling to do the big dom voice.

Speaker 1 I knew it didn't sound like big dom. I knew it didn't sound like him.
This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 I knew it didn't sound like him. I knew it didn't sound like him.

Speaker 1 Come get Tony Rukes to kidding. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. good.

Speaker 1 I knew it didn't sound like it.

Speaker 1 At least I do have. Okay, well.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, Max,

Speaker 7 you thought it might be an April Fool's joke, but you thought it was Big Dom playing an April Fool's joke on you.

Speaker 1 He goes, wait, do you think that was Jerry is Big Dom? Oh,

Speaker 1 Hank was trying to give you looks.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I was trying to get you to hang up the phone because it was so obviously not Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Max, how did you?

Speaker 1 The only way he was going to buy it is if you hung up. Oh, I knew.
I knew. No, you didn't.
No, you didn't. I said April Fool.
At one point, I was like, oh, this is April Fool's.

Speaker 1 You thought it was Big Doll. Jerry is Big Dom.

Speaker 7 Shout out to Jerry. That was all Jerry's idea, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he texted us, should we pull an April Fool's joke on Max? Jerry loves April Fools. I don't know if you saw, but he did.
Memes.

Speaker 1 That would have lasted months if Jerry didn't call.

Speaker 1 We couldn't. Memes, you've been telling me all day how lame April Fool's jokes are.
That was a good one. But if you get someone,

Speaker 1 I said this is April Fool's job. Nope, Max.

Speaker 8 Don't act like you didn't just buy that.

Speaker 1 Don't act like I didn't just fucking say that it was April Fools as it was going on. Everyone that's listening just heard you be like, oh my God, that was crazy.
Should we cut that?

Speaker 1 Like, we'll cut that second part.

Speaker 7 You thought at the worst it was Big Dom doing an April Fool's.

Speaker 1 Was that Jerry? I thought it did.

Speaker 1 Big Cat goes, no. Max is like, all right, good.

Speaker 1 I thought it didn't sound like I was.

Speaker 8 Thank God Big Cat told you that wasn't Jerry as Big Dom. Otherwise, you might have thought it was.

Speaker 1 Jerry texted us. Me and PFT is like, he says Paison, right? Should I say Paison a lot?

Speaker 1 And PFT's like, maybe throw one in there. I'm cutting over Paisley.
No, you're not. No, you're not.
I aren't. I edit the podcast.
No, you aren't. I edit the podcast.
No, you aren't.

Speaker 1 You want to join me on the code?

Speaker 8 I'll put out a director's cut. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll put out a director's cut. You guys are fucking.

Speaker 7 Hank, you want to edit this pod for old time's sake?

Speaker 8 If, I mean, if Max, I'll listen to it for sure. And if Max doesn't, we'll put out the podcast.

Speaker 1 I'm obviously not going to fucking cut it.

Speaker 1 How did you fall for that?

Speaker 1 Insane.

Speaker 1 For a second, I thought it was April Fools, but then Big Cat said it was Big Dom.

Speaker 1 I did say this is April Fools. Yeah, Big Books.
But you did say that. But you said I thought it might have been.

Speaker 7 And the more I hear him, the more I, yeah, Max knew it all along.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't know it all along.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I was skeptical. I just

Speaker 1 at one point

Speaker 1 I just at one point thought it was a joke.

Speaker 1 I also, that obviously doesn't sound like his voice. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Is it obvious?

Speaker 1 I thought it sounded a lot.

Speaker 7 I think our good friend Jerry is a great actor. I thought it sounded just like Big Dog.

Speaker 1 Jerry loves April Fools. He tweeted this morning after a number of closed-door meetings, Adam Scheffster and I have agreed to split duties managing part of my take fantasy team.

Speaker 1 Ha ha, April Fools, I work alone. You want dark web shit?

Speaker 1 I don't think you're supposed to do it all in one tweet. No, it's okay.
You just put it all in one tweet. Max, it's okay.
April Fools, he got you. Oh, he's always taking it a break.

Speaker 1 He's taking a break. He's taking a lot.
Dude, the fact that he didn't, even when he was talking to Jerry, it took a second for me to say something for him to be like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Memes. Oh, he's back.
He's back. I texted Hank to hang up.
Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 But I knew if you, Max not figuring it out the first five seconds is like Max just thinks this is real. I couldn't believe it.
Could not believe it.

Speaker 1 It's so easy to be the man in the fucking arena when it's not fucking happening to you, you pussy.

Speaker 1 I've been in the arena.

Speaker 1 No, no. I would have seen through that like a fucking dog.
It's a long store. It's so easy to say.
It's so easy to say. Max, what day is it? I said

Speaker 1 fucking April Fools, Hank.

Speaker 1 I said it. No, you said I thought it might have been.
No, as it was going on, if you were fucking listening.

Speaker 8 I just like the.

Speaker 1 As it was going on, I said, oh, this is April Fools. I love it.

Speaker 1 And then.

Speaker 8 My favorite part was you asking Big Cat if you thought it might have been Jerry as Big Tom.

Speaker 1 Because like, no, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 Man in the arena. Thank you, Jerry O'Connell.
You're the best. This is such.
I fucking hate this show.

Speaker 1 You guys are assholes.

Speaker 1 I tell you,

Speaker 1 we'll show you this.

Speaker 1 The text went exactly like this.

Speaker 1 He threw his headphones off. He threw him up again.

Speaker 8 This is my asshole. Oh, then here it is.

Speaker 1 Jerry sent me and PFT a voice message at 11.20 this morning.

Speaker 1 It's Jerry O.

Speaker 1 If you want to do an April Fools prank with Max, I could call into the show and say, I'm Big Dom.

Speaker 8 Is that Big Dom? Oh, that's Jerry.

Speaker 1 And then go, Bing Bong, Maxie. It's Jerry.
Bing Bong.

Speaker 1 He sent us that. Oh.

Speaker 1 Fellas, you want me to call in as Big Dom and invite Max to the White House?

Speaker 1 He said, yes, absolutely. That's pretty cool.
Oh, man.

Speaker 7 Head on a swivel, Max. It's April Fools.

Speaker 1 You know how real he thought it was because he was like, we're going to cut this part where is it okay if I go? he asked us that

Speaker 1 all right uh where were we rule changing it was asking for the asking for the social security jerry was trying to blow it yeah I know but Max couldn't have had no idea nope

Speaker 7 there's a non-zero chance that Max does end up going to the White House yeah this dude actually

Speaker 1 screaming okay there's no your mic's not on

Speaker 1 Do you want me to text Big Dom and ask him if you can go? I'll send this clip to Big Dom and then we'll make it right.

Speaker 1 This could be perfect. It could end perfectly.
You could go to the White House with the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I just want to stop talking about it.
Can we just go on?

Speaker 1 I never wanted to. Oh, Jerry's calling me.
No.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, this is important.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 8 All right.

Speaker 1 He's calling. He's calling.

Speaker 1 It's okay, Max. You're calling him.
No, he called me. I missed the call.
He's crashing out. He's crashing out.
Hey, listen, everyone's going to be there. We're going to get some help.
out.

Speaker 1 He keeps ticking off his head, folks. Hey, Max.
All right. I get it.
I get it. This is just overplaying a fucking bit.

Speaker 1 No ads. They're serious about that.

Speaker 1 All right. We'll talk to you later, Jerry.
I mean, big top.

Speaker 1 Nothing about. Don't post about Hamas and nothing.

Speaker 1 Don't tweet anything about these liberal judges.

Speaker 1 all right well listen uh it's gonna be fun to have you there

Speaker 1 you know there's the damn cats in the treasury yeah uh

Speaker 1 i thought it was big cat when i said that but uh it's one of the doge guys

Speaker 1 you got a street park because uh doge took all the parking spaces

Speaker 1 all right we'll see you jerry i mean big dom

Speaker 1 all right bye

Speaker 8 uh memes we might need to we might need you to film Max editing this part of the show. Because I'm curious how many times he throws his headphones off at that point, too.

Speaker 7 How did he fall?

Speaker 7 Big John.

Speaker 1 I couldn't. I mean.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Max, memes, you didn't fall for me.
You've met Big Dom

Speaker 8 multiple times.

Speaker 1 I was still in the studio when you showed PFD the call. Oh, yeah, that's right.
So you knew. You knew it was coming.
Oh, man. Max, did you hear the thing about street parking?

Speaker 1 Because Doja took all the parking.

Speaker 1 All right, tush-push.

Speaker 1 I hope they don't ban it. I hope they ban talking about it.
Fair? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 8 They've also amended Rule 15 to expand Instant Replay's ability to advise on-field officials on specific objective aspects of a play and to address game administration issues when clear and obvious video evidence is present.

Speaker 7 Such as

Speaker 8 unnecessary roughness, intentional ground.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good. I like that.
That's good.

Speaker 7 Unnecessary roughness is good. Roughing the quarterback?

Speaker 8 I think it's a situation where a flag has to be on the field.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Oh, they can review it quickly and tell you that wasn't a good flag.

Speaker 8 Something like that.

Speaker 7 I hope that they do the super challenge, which is like in,

Speaker 7 was it the UFL, USFL, where like at the end of that game with the Vikings and the Rams this year, the face mask they didn't call in Sam Dardal. Like, look at that.
It's obvious. Right.
Do the flag.

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 1 Or the...

Speaker 1 There was that Mahomes Texans play where he was like slid and didn't really get hit.

Speaker 1 I like that. Okay, as long as it doesn't take too much time, if they can do the instant, you know how they have the instant review for any scoring play, and be like, did he cross the line or not?

Speaker 1 And they just buzz in.

Speaker 7 I would also like to nominate the Gene Starator pick a sport.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Pick a sport. You're either a football guy or you're either football school or you're basketball school.
I'm geneed out. Gened out at this point.
Too much.

Speaker 7 You just love rules, Gene. We get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Let's get some more Blandino going. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then there were some bylaw summaries, which is just roster spot stuff, kind of a snooze fest to me.

Speaker 8 Premier clubs participates in postseason to receive two additional DFRs, increasing the maximum from 8 to 10. Competition committee amends Article.

Speaker 8 Do you want me to do the Roman numeral?

Speaker 1 What's that? Yes.

Speaker 8 18. Article 18, XBIII, Section 18.5 of Constitution and bylaws to not allow April Fool's jokes because it's mean and people might get upset.

Speaker 8 So that'll be good.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 7 There was also another one, Hank. Big change.

Speaker 8 Pittsburgh, the Steelers basically got tampering legalized.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh, yeah, the Zooms.

Speaker 8 For one year only, it permits clubs to have one video or phone call with no more than five prospective unrestricted free agents during the two-day negotiation period.

Speaker 8 It permits clubs to make travel arrangements with such players upon agreeing to terms.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so what they did was they moved back the free agency, but now teams are trying to do the thing that they used to do for free agency for the tampering period.

Speaker 7 So it's always going to get moved back.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 8 And then are you talking about the flake gate? Like, is this the hate us because they ain't us?

Speaker 8 Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston, Vegas, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Washington, to permit clubs to prepare kicking footballs, K-balls before game day, similar to process permitted for game footballs.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 And are you talking about scouting?

Speaker 7 No, there's another one. There's

Speaker 7 a technology one.

Speaker 1 Oh, what is it?

Speaker 7 The NFL is going to be using Hawkeye next year. Oh.
It's a big one. The Chain Gang is going to be ceremonial.
They'll be out there on the field. All right, as long as they're still out there.

Speaker 7 And they'll use them if the Hawkeye technology breaks down, but they're doing the same thing that tennis did. I think the EPL also uses it, and some other sports use it.

Speaker 7 But they're measuring first downs based on Hawkeye technology, which, I don't know, it's going to get it right more often, but I love the Chain Gang. I love the guys jogging out there.

Speaker 7 The 60-year-old dudes with the chains.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Malf memes who can hear you.
I agree with you. You got to keep those guys out there.
Yes, but now we're going to get it right.

Speaker 7 They'll be there. They'll be just, you know, still dressed up, still looking good on the sidelines, but they're going to be using the Space Age technology.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you guys also see the Pittsburgh reporter Mark Cavalli who might have fallen asleep? We had a sleep gate.
Yeah. I love it.
He might have fallen asleep while Mike Tomlin was talking.

Speaker 1 Did you see that, Hank? It was great. Nothing better than a sleep gate.
Yeah. I was not asleep.
He's having to go on shows right now and be like, I was not asleep.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I mean, listen,

Speaker 7 it's the owner's meetings.

Speaker 7 This is the most important time of the year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is funny, like, seeing Jay Glazer was just casually flexing that he was just at the pool with pretty much every single head coach. That was pretty cool.
Yep. That would be a cool spot to be.

Speaker 7 Also, Art Rooney said that he thinks that Rogers is going to sign with the Steelers. Oh.
He said, we keep hearing that he's, I guess, hit it in our direction.

Speaker 7 So that seems to be all signs are positive so far.

Speaker 1 He's working out with DK.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
So he threw with him yesterday. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's a great time.

Speaker 1 It feels like it's going to happen. We also had Jimmy Hasm come out and basically take a big dump on Deshaun Watson, which I think we all like, good job, Jimmy Haslam finally admitting it.
But he said

Speaker 1 about Deshaun Watson, we took a big swing and miss with Deshaun. We thought we had the quarterback and we didn't.
And we gave up a lot of draft picks to get him.

Speaker 1 So we got to dig ourselves out of that hole. It was an entire organization decision.
It ends with DNI.

Speaker 1 So hold us accountable. Deshaun Watson's still on the Browns, right? He is, yeah.
Yeah, that's very funny. They're just talking about about him like he is not on the Browns anymore.

Speaker 7 I assume he's just not going to be active at all next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then they can finally cut him?

Speaker 7 They did. I saw a video of him getting rehab done the other day.
Did you see that? No. Mail Masseus.
Oh, smart.

Speaker 1 Smart. So is Deshaun Watson over-under starts Deshaun Watson as the NFL for the rest of his career?

Speaker 8 Three and a half.

Speaker 7 I was going to say the over-under should probably be 0.5.

Speaker 1 I was going to say 1.5. Maybe like a random.

Speaker 7 I think he'll do it.

Speaker 1 You think so? Yeah. Some team will try.

Speaker 7 Some team. He might just not try.

Speaker 1 I mean, he might just not try. Yeah.

Speaker 7 If they give you $230 million, at that point, your career should be done no matter what it is. Why are you going to go out there and get hit again?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else? Oh, the NFL has captured Christmas fully. We predicted this, but three games on Christmas.
Can't wait. It falls on a Thursday this year.

Speaker 1 LeBron, Adam Silver, bad idea.

Speaker 1 Bad idea.

Speaker 7 And I saw the reminder pop up in our calendars for next year on Christmas, bet on all the away teams. Right.
Because it's going to be like

Speaker 7 the family in town for the home teams.

Speaker 1 And we have a sample size of two.

Speaker 7 Sample size of two, which it's ironclad.

Speaker 1 Yes, I love it. I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it. Max, are you back?

Speaker 1 Are you back, Max?

Speaker 1 Sure. I'm done.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 I'm done with this episode. I'm opting out for the rest of this episode.
Why are you so upset?

Speaker 7 Tell us why you're so upset, Max.

Speaker 1 Because April Fools is the lowest form of comedy.

Speaker 8 Agreed. This is worse than when they filmed your buckrack.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is just embarrassing. It's more so embarrassing than any.

Speaker 1 But again, you probably are going to get to go to the White House.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to go. I don't want to go.
Wow, lib of the year.

Speaker 1 Wow, damn.

Speaker 1 Another news, Tiger Woods is playing in the Masters. Yeah, he is.
I saw him. What he woke up in his Achilles just felt like.

Speaker 7 He's been sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber, which has a lot of oxygen, allows your body to heal quicker. And he woke up somehow feeling great, like he could go out there and play.

Speaker 7 So he has announced on his X account, X.com, the Everything app. It's all happening on X, that he's going to be playing in the Masters.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 8 Did you guys see

Speaker 8 Cam Smith? He stubbed his toe, so he's withdrawing from Live Miami event, but he's having Fat Perez replace him.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 8 So he's playing in a professional tournament. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 7 Fat Perez is going on the live tour?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah. These are all real things to happen.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 Wow. You guys remember

Speaker 1 yelling without the mic on?

Speaker 7 I think it was three years ago, LeBron James, when he tweeted, I'm out for the season officially. See y'all in the fall.
King, peace. Yeah.
Yeah, that was on this day in sports. Now

Speaker 8 that's out for the season. The DOD King is going to start using T's.

Speaker 1 Oh, that one just got me. That one just got me.

Speaker 8 I couldn't believe it. Shit.

Speaker 7 Remember when Julian Edelman announced that he was signing with the Buccaneers?

Speaker 1 That's right. Memes, tell us what's happening in there right now.

Speaker 1 Max just keeps thinking about how embarrassing it is in his head, and he's throwing stuff against the wall, and he's trying to break the tech deck right now.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 what? What, Hank?

Speaker 1 He's listening. Yeah, but what are you going to say? Let's pretend he's not.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to see the footage of him editing. Yeah.
Him having to listen back to it. That's bad.
No, Pug is editing the show. I will be editing.
Oh, did you see?

Speaker 1 Actually, speaking of Pug, he's not a Pug. Yeah,

Speaker 8 Insane.

Speaker 1 He tweeted, I am not a pug.

Speaker 1 I'm not pug. That's crazy.
He said, I am not pug. That's wild.
April Fools.

Speaker 7 He is pug. You see that Luca Donchas got traded to the Los Angeles Lakers?

Speaker 1 No way. Yeah.
For what? Andy Davis or something?

Speaker 7 And $50,000. Yeah.
Damn.

Speaker 1 And the Impractical Jokers. That was the Mavs Muse tweet that we saw the other night.
We traded Luca for an Impractical Joker. It was just Anthony Davis with all of them.

Speaker 1 All right. Other news.
Buzz Williams, new coach of Maryland. Yeah.
Good for Buzz. Good for Buzz.
Smart move for Buzz.

Speaker 7 I have a question about Buzz. Yeah.
We like Buzz. Yeah.
He's always been great on the show. He seems like a good dude, great coach.

Speaker 7 The jobs that he's had, I don't really see, like, is he advancing or is he just going to different schools that are kind of at the same level?

Speaker 1 So this move, I believe, was a smart move by Buzz in the fact that the SEC has gotten a lot better.

Speaker 1 He has kind of maxed out what he's got at Texas A ⁇ M. His team was a lot of juniors and seniors.
So why not move and reset the clock? Yeah. Pretty good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you're basically resetting the clock with a new fan base who is hungry for someone to say, I love you. And Buzz Williams, obviously, has coached in the area with Virginia Tech.

Speaker 1 He's accomplished.

Speaker 1 Good move to reset the clock, Buzz. We're rooting for you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so it's

Speaker 7 Maryland in its DNA is a basketball school.

Speaker 7 So at least he's going to have that. They're going to be like, hopefully, Maryland, this is a sign of them committing to basketball a little bit more.
Texas AM is always going to be

Speaker 1 way, way, way, way, way more football.

Speaker 7 Correct. I still think that Maryland can get it slapped out of them to be like, your basketball school.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 7 Focus on that. There's a lot of good local talent.
Hope Buzz does well. Max is still bitching.

Speaker 8 Yep. Update memes.

Speaker 1 Update memes. Give us an update.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting.

Speaker 1 He helps one of you guys get into a car accident. That's

Speaker 1 shit. Before or after I pick up my kids kids from school, Max?

Speaker 1 No kids. Okay, no kids.
Max. All right.
That was very big dom of you. We don't get the children involved.

Speaker 7 Can I tell you a little story, Max, about April Fools?

Speaker 1 It's the worst. It's the lowest form of comedy.

Speaker 8 It's my brother's birthday. Shout out to Will.

Speaker 1 Oh, shout out to Will.

Speaker 7 Happy birthday, Will. Is it actually?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That would be a good prank.

Speaker 7 That'd be sick. Max, when I was in fifth grade, fourth or fifth grade, my dad came to school and he had

Speaker 7 a principal page down and say, get little PFT out of class. His dad's here.
He's got his glove. He's going to go to the Orioles game.
And then I go to the front office.

Speaker 7 My dad takes me, puts me in the car, starts driving me out of the school parking lot.

Speaker 7 And then him and my brother, my brother bounced up from behind the seat and they said, April Fools, you're going back to class.

Speaker 7 I had to go back to class on opening day, opening day of baseball. And you know what? The next year, I actually got to go to opening day because my dad felt so bad.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 So maybe you'll go to the White House.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to.

Speaker 8 I actually think he might have told that story day on episode one.

Speaker 7 It was one of the the first episodes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't even. See, I didn't.

Speaker 1 I just hate that I fucking fell for it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's what it is. Now we're getting there.

Speaker 1 I hate you guys.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 Part of me wants to teach you about getting your guard up, but I actually don't.

Speaker 1 No, don't. Yeah.
I did have.

Speaker 1 It's also.

Speaker 1 I said. You asked Big Cat if you thought that was Jerry's as Big Dom.
That was the person.

Speaker 8 You asked the murderer, like, did you murder that person?

Speaker 1 And then when they said no, you're like all right he's clear oh man No, that's not I said it you weren't paying attention during the phone call I said this is April Fools.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then after when Jerry called you

Speaker 1 don't you don't remember that you don't remember that I said it in the middle of the of the initial

Speaker 1 okay but then after the phone call

Speaker 1 after the phone call ended you didn't listen because you never fucking listened max you have to accept the fact that you fell for it you fell for it I know I fell for it but you have to fucking piece you deleted you deleted your pro-Hamas tweets you fell for it we'll cut this yeah no we'll cut that part

Speaker 1 i'm cutting some of it no you're not i am no you're not no you're not no you're not that was a good april fools by you to pretend that you were cutting you guys are such pieces of like you're such a pussy i wasn't involved by the way i was rooting for you to catch on you just never did um also

Speaker 1 it's like the thing it's like you say something and then if someone's

Speaker 1 you guys are

Speaker 1 you gotta save this You should be angry at Jerry.

Speaker 1 He broke his headphones. He just smashed it together.

Speaker 1 You really, that's the thing is. PFT and I, I'm not an April Fool's guy.
No. Neither is PFT.
Jerry texted us and said, hey, should I do this? What are we going to say? No?

Speaker 1 Of course. And we thought that Jerry would call in and it would be instantly...
No, he left the room. He's taking a lap.
He's taking another lap.

Speaker 1 We instantly thought that Jerry's voice would be recognizable. I thought, at least.
Apparently not. I'm not going to look for him.
Listen,

Speaker 7 if me or Big Cat had been...

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You can't go.

Speaker 1 You can't go play Sergeant Pokemon. I have to pee so bad.
Oh, then you go pee, but you can't find him. No, but you just said you're going to...
You feel bad? No, I just got an excuse to go pee.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Here's how you get worse.

Speaker 7 If me or Big Cat had done this April Fool's prank on Max,

Speaker 7 it would have been dumb. It would have been stupid.

Speaker 7 If Memes had done it, it would have been just mean. Right.
If Hank had done it, it would have been also mean. But the fact that Jerry did it

Speaker 1 is great.

Speaker 1 If I had come in today and you had said to me, let's prank Max Raper Fools, I'd be like, really? But the fact that Jerry hit us up,

Speaker 1 it's like, yeah, we got to do it. We got to let Jerry do it because Jerry's the man.
He's an actor. He's an actor.

Speaker 7 He's an actor. That was the best performance out of Jerry in decades.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. We should get him.
We should actually see if we could.

Speaker 7 He should be an actor.

Speaker 1 We should get him listed on like...

Speaker 1 There's no way we're still talking about this. There's no way.
We're not. We're talking about Jerry O'Connell being a good actor.
It's totally different. We should see if he can get Albany.

Speaker 1 What kind of show is this?

Speaker 1 This is just part of my April Fools, just like every other

Speaker 1 lame-ass fucking podcast in America.

Speaker 1 That's what this show is. We're just some fucking...
No, he's lashing the other one. This is my favorite part of Max.
This show sucks.

Speaker 1 This show now sucks. Max gets so mad at us for making fun of that.
He says that the show sucks. The show is terrible.
It's a lame-ass show.

Speaker 1 Did you see... So, Buzz Williams

Speaker 1 to Maryland,

Speaker 1 good for Maryland. Happy they got that resolved quickly because it would have sucked if it was like a long search.
And Buzz is a good coach.

Speaker 1 Did you see Seth Davis

Speaker 1 sort of almost realize what fandom is?

Speaker 7 Was he mad at Maryland fans?

Speaker 1 So he tweeted last night,

Speaker 1 fans, fire the coach if he doesn't win enough. Coach wins enough, leaves for a better job.
Fans, where's your loyalty?

Speaker 1 So he's almost figured out that fans root for the jerseys in the school and the coach, if he wins, they will love him. And if he loses, they'd want him fired.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what are they supposed to do? Be like, yeah, get out of here. Go get a better job.
No. Right.

Speaker 7 Here's the thing about fans is fans want their teams to win. Right.
And if the coach isn't winning, then you're like, fire that guy because I'd like to win.

Speaker 7 Then when your coach is winning, you're like, sweet. We're winning.
Our coach kicks ass.

Speaker 1 Stay forever.

Speaker 7 I hope you don't leave. Right.

Speaker 1 I don't understand how these guys cover the sport and they're so out of touch with how fans think.

Speaker 7 They're just pissed off that

Speaker 7 the is he mad at fans for not supporting their coach for leaving?

Speaker 1 I think so. He also, I think he's saying that it's hypocritical for fans to be upset if a

Speaker 1 coach leaves, or sorry, to be upset if a coach loses,

Speaker 1 but then to also, when they win, be like, you can't get another job. But fans don't root for coaches.

Speaker 1 I know one fan that does. Yeah, that's true.
There is one fan that does. But fans root for schools, and their coach is an extension of the school.
And if it's going well,

Speaker 1 they want them to stay. If it's going bad, they want them fired.
That's literally how sports work.

Speaker 7 And here's what sucks for Maryland: Maryland should not be a stepping stone job. No.
Maryland should be a job that a guy should want to stay at for a long time. But as of right now, guess what?

Speaker 7 The reality is it's a stepping stone job. Yeah.
And hopefully that's done. Hopefully, Buzz sticks around.

Speaker 1 I just love it because I think college basketball might be the premier sport in terms of uh guys who cover the sport that don't understand how fans think and also just will defend coaches blindly no matter what well sometimes it's like that in sports where uh there's not a huge fan base that the journalists that cover it get so like addicted to the the coverage on the players and the coaches that they don't understand the fan base in college basketball it's always been like this yeah you are going to have fans that hate when their coach leaves right that's the reality of the situation yeah we went through this with Ed Cooley and stuff when everyone is like when when a lot of the national reporters are like, why is it a big deal if Ed Cooley leaves in conference?

Speaker 7 Yeah, guess what? Fans are hypocrites. Yeah.
Yeah, no shit. It's fanatic.
We are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Speaking of fanatic, did you guys see Michael Rubin trying to throw a baseball?

Speaker 7 I did see that.

Speaker 1 It's an old clip. It is? Yeah.
Oh, well, it's still funny.

Speaker 7 I thought that was April Fools.

Speaker 1 I don't really.

Speaker 1 I hate when people do like the old clip thing because sometimes clips are funny no matter when. Like there was the guy who,

Speaker 1 the guy at the Brewers game that was just pissing in the concourse, and I just tweeted it yesterday because it was opening day for the Brewers, and everyone's like, old clips.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, it's still funny. Yeah.
Like, I didn't say what day it was.

Speaker 7 Every year when Jason Derulo falls down the stairs at the Met Gala, that's a great day. P.
Weber.

Speaker 1 Is that, yeah, right. There's some, there's some, we should do like a study.
There's a sect of people that just love saying, that's old. Old clip.
That's an old clip. Gotcha.

Speaker 8 But yeah, the Microsoft. I mean, that's kind of, I do.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Try and just keep you guys on the show.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I agree.
I appreciate it. I wasn't saying it was you.
I'm saying it was more about the Milwaukee Brewers fans. Like, I literally just tweeted,

Speaker 1 I'm an animal for pissing in the sink, but this guy. And then there was a bunch of people who have been like, old clip, bro.
Okay, it's still funny.

Speaker 1 Guys fucking pissing in the concourse.

Speaker 7 Funny clip. Anytime a guy goes hogs out in public, either a crime or funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Never both. Anything else before we do Hot C Cool Throne?

Speaker 1 Max,

Speaker 1 how would you say the start of the show is gone?

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 1 Do you like the show again? Would you? I think you were out of here when Max crashed out again and he said, This show sucks now. We're just some lame show that does April Fool's jokes.

Speaker 8 He's, I think he's been, he's been hitting for the cycle for like you guys are running out old bits. Yeah.
Mank doesn't pay attention. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This show sucks now.

Speaker 7 Bring back, Do You Wash Your Apples?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you never pay attention.

Speaker 8 That was like, what?

Speaker 1 That was fuzzy.

Speaker 7 Oh, there's one other piece of information that came out yesterday. Yeah.
Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 Yes. Talked about Devon's Michael.
The giant. Okay.

Speaker 1 Also, one other piece of information. The Thursday night football can be flexed now.
Yes, that's flexed. That's actually awesome.

Speaker 7 So is it like 21 days into? Three weeks. Yeah, three weeks you can flex a Thursday.

Speaker 1 That kind of sucks if you had, like, if you get flexed to a Thursday night game and you can't make it in person to that thursday night game agreed but it should i i feel like they're going to use it very sparingly uh but it should save us a couple and you know what actually now that i'm thinking about it i'm saying out loud i don't like this rule because there is something about a really bad thursday night game late in the season that it feels like a bonding experience like it's a colts broncos game yes it tests you as a human being yeah it's like you If you can sit through this, well, last year it was the Rams and the Niners.

Speaker 7 Yep. But that on paper shouldn't have been a bad game.
It was just a shitty experience. But there's something magical about like late November.
You look at the schedule.

Speaker 7 You look two weeks from now at the Thursday night matchup. And you're like, oh, God, look what we're going to have to deal with here.
And then guess what? You power through it together. Right.

Speaker 7 And you make it a fun time.

Speaker 1 And we've said this before, but Thursday night football, the magical part of Thursday night football is it's the beginning of the football weekend.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I would much rather have a bad Thursday night football game than a bad Monday night football game because Monday night is your last bite of football.

Speaker 7 And they're going to do probably divisional games, like meaningful games. Yeah.
Thursday night football is fun.

Speaker 8 It's not ass Thursday night football games last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they're fun.

Speaker 7 But that's the thing is Thursday night football is not meant for meaningful football games.

Speaker 1 No, I agree with that.

Speaker 7 Thursday night football game, it's an appetizer for the weekend. It's like this will remind you of football at times.

Speaker 7 You'll recognize the guys.

Speaker 1 It has a scent of football.

Speaker 7 We'll get some touchdowns. Right.
But ultimately, it's going to be kind of shitty. They're not going to have enough practice.

Speaker 7 And then once the weekend starts, you're going to be like, look at this great slate. Right.

Speaker 1 What are you laughing at, Hank?

Speaker 8 And last year,

Speaker 8 the last four was a sandwich. Like, the Detroit Green Bay game was great.
Then it was the 12-6

Speaker 8 Rams, 49ers.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks Bears one was bad.

Speaker 8 And then the Seahawks Bears one was the last one, 6-3.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was really tough. That was a terrible game.
Yeah, but

Speaker 1 that touchdown throw that Kale Williams threw with the penalty. Sick throw.
You could forget. Sick throw.

Speaker 7 Al Michaels probably had something to do with this. Is he still on?

Speaker 1 He is.

Speaker 7 All right, so they're just trying to keep Al talking. Yes.

Speaker 8 They're trying to keep talking about Bob Costas.

Speaker 1 No, what about him?

Speaker 8 The retirement tour?

Speaker 7 That was last year in the playoffs when he stunk. Remember that?

Speaker 1 He's doing what the Masters. The Masters.
Wait, he's doing the Masters? Not Bob Costas.

Speaker 8 I mean, sorry. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I actually don't think we did because I think we taped early on Thursday.
Yeah, an 11-year retirement tour. Insane.
It's unbelievable. I love it.

Speaker 7 It's insane. How did he reach that date?

Speaker 1 It's his contract.

Speaker 8 No, I thought it was the. It's that.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's the 100th, yeah, which is bullshit.

Speaker 7 So he's got to stick around.

Speaker 1 He's going to cuck the 100th year anniversary of the Masters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's, I mean, he's one-upped our good friend Dan Patrick. You know,

Speaker 1 he's doing a four-year retirement tour right now. He's in the midst of it.
11 years is just absurd. Yeah.
You could easily die in those 11 years.

Speaker 7 You know what?

Speaker 7 I'll just say it. I'm going to retire in 20 years.
20? You have 20 years of part of my take left.

Speaker 8 That's sad. If you do 21, it will be 30.

Speaker 7 Oh, so we got to do 21. 21 years.
Yeah, yeah, 21 years.

Speaker 1 21 years.

Speaker 1 If we do.

Speaker 1 So, wait, 20. wait, 21 years would be 30 total.
Oh, from right now. Right.
I guess why don't we just do 41 and get to 50?

Speaker 7 I kind of like walking away at 21 years.

Speaker 1 But no, but 50, 50 years of pardon my time. 30 years?

Speaker 8 I got, I don't have 50 in me.

Speaker 1 50.

Speaker 1 PFT. Let's do 50.
I don't know. 30.
20 in me.

Speaker 7 30 years. I'll be 60.

Speaker 1 Hank, what is your retirement?

Speaker 8 Counting down the days.

Speaker 1 Max, when's your retirement?

Speaker 1 An hour ago?

Speaker 7 He might quit right now. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I got 10 more years.

Speaker 1 I've opted out of this episode.

Speaker 7 You got 10 more years in your hand?

Speaker 1 10 more years. Then what?

Speaker 1 You're 10 years younger than us, you fucking bitch. Onto the next chapter.

Speaker 1 I can see myself doing it until your guys' age.

Speaker 7 Listen, I got news for you. There's going to be an AI podcast that just do new part of my takes that we have no control over by that point.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So if Max gets pranked on April Fools by the AI podcast, not our fault. Yeah.
This isn't even April 1st.

Speaker 7 You'll be arguing with the population.

Speaker 1 Well, we're right now. Today is April 2nd.
As we're sitting here.

Speaker 1 How did you start this show? As we're sitting here, it's April 1st.

Speaker 1 Today is April 1st. That's the finale of this.
People

Speaker 1 are going to listen to this show tomorrow and be like, what the fuck? April Fools was yesterday. Early release?

Speaker 1 Definitely not. This button is getting pulled so late.

Speaker 8 Pug is actually pushing the button.

Speaker 7 Oh, so before midnight.

Speaker 1 This story arc of the crash out has been incredible. I just love.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to go ahead and get it. Max actually makes me feel embarrassed.

Speaker 8 I don't think how much he is upset, but the funny, like, his two biggest crash outs were a butt crack and April Fool's joke, which, by all accords, are like not big deals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one of them. I actually say, like, Max, Max gets it more than almost anyone.
Of all the things that crash out about it.

Speaker 1 Like, we were, I was talking with our good friend, Peter Schrager, who congrats to him on his new job at ESPN. And he was, he was, because he loves watching like barstool content.

Speaker 1 And he was saying that if Rico had thrown his phone, like, Rico threw Max's phone on Saturday, he would have like flipped out.

Speaker 1 And I was like, No, Max is Max's cool, he gets it, he's cool with everything. Like, he didn't even flinch when his phone got thrown.
But, goddamn it, if you get him with April Fools,

Speaker 1 it's just I just feel like such an idiot and a loser. You're not.
It's so

Speaker 1 easy to just pick up on April Fool's jokes. That's what's pissing me off.
Hank, I'm sorry for saying you didn't listen. What about

Speaker 1 any apology sauce?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 the show sucks.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 April Fool's content's terrible content.

Speaker 1 It was a good reaction for me, but. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Great job, Max. No, no.

Speaker 1 Good in a way that I don't want it to be good and it's embarrassing, but it's a, I, whatever. I'm just.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 You're slowly starting.

Speaker 1 You're finally starting to figure it out. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was a good reaction by me, but I'm mad that I had that reaction because it's not what I wanted it to be, but it's still good.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 Now you're getting it. Yeah, no, so like the past five minutes is me just being like, I wish I just didn't say anything after I realized that I got it.

Speaker 1 So I'm yeah, I'm going through the full range of emotions during this episode here. You're doing it well.

Speaker 1 Jerry first called me at 2.46, so it's been a solid like 30 minutes of just going through all of this. I've blocked Jerry's number, by the way.

Speaker 1 He kept texting me, and I said, I'm going to block your number, and his number is blocked. Okay, good.

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Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 8 My hot seat is Jackson Profar.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 He's been suspended 80 games.

Speaker 1 That's not his name.

Speaker 8 It's not. Jerickson Profar.
Yep.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 8 Jackson. Whoops.

Speaker 1 Yikes.

Speaker 8 Damn. I'm as embarrassed as Max right now.

Speaker 1 God damn it.

Speaker 8 That's tough.

Speaker 8 I just kind of skipped the middle of his name.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he did. Jerickson.

Speaker 8 Jerickson Profar has been suspended 80 games for violating MLB's PED policy. Just signed with the Braves.
The real hot seat, though, is the PED.

Speaker 7 What is it?

Speaker 8 It's a hormone produced by the placenta after a woman becomes pregnant. It plays a crucial role in maintaining and supporting early pregnancy.
That's its human.

Speaker 1 Is this a masking agent?

Speaker 7 HCG. Now, this is probably why Philip Rivers had such a long career.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If that stuff rejuvenates you.

Speaker 1 His son, by the way, is going to play college football soon.

Speaker 7 That's crazy.

Speaker 7 But no, you're probably right because it sounds like what happened with Manny. Remember when he had the best?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did the masking agent.

Speaker 8 He just fucked up the days. That's a great story.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 8 Manny was successful using steroids, and they had a system where it was like, you just have to take the masking agent on this day, and you'll pass the drug tests.

Speaker 8 They had the dates mapped out, and he just fucked it up.

Speaker 7 So how can we blame the Yankees for this, Hank?

Speaker 8 I haven't gone that far.

Speaker 1 Okay, we got to figure it out. Yeah, there's more torpedo bats.

Speaker 1 The other teams are using them. Yeah, the Yankees are trying to ruin baseball.
No, no, no, but everyone else is using them now, too.

Speaker 8 Yeah, because the Yankees are trying to ruin baseball.

Speaker 1 So it's more the torpedo bats than the Yankees.

Speaker 8 Well, who invented the torpedo bats?

Speaker 7 I don't know, but several teams have this. I think it's a guy.

Speaker 1 Actually, it's a guy from the Marlins who invented them. Really? The wild.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I saw it. It was MIT, Marlins Institute of Technology.

Speaker 8 I thought the Yankees hired the guy from NASA. He developed the torpedo bats, and now they're getting used to it.

Speaker 7 It was MIT, which actually you could say it's a Red Sox problem. That guy's probably a Red Sox fan.

Speaker 1 Uh, the man who created the torpedo bat is Miami Marlins field coordinator Aaron Leanhart.

Speaker 8 And who owns the Miami Marlins?

Speaker 1 Uh, Marlinsman? Nope. Cheetah.
Cheetah. Cheetah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And they're really good.

Speaker 1 Marlins are.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're dark horse to win the NLEs, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they are. Okay, what's your cool throne?

Speaker 8 Uh, my cool throne is giggles, laughter, and fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Specifically, if you're in in the New York, New Jersey area. Because Jameis Winston, new Giants quarterback

Speaker 8 in a press conference said he wants to see the Giants win more games so they can have more giggles, more laughter, and more fun. And he adds that they don't have the look of a 3-14 team.

Speaker 8 I really, and I know you guys love Jameis. I do love Jameis too.
Great guest of the show.

Speaker 8 I don't like the Giants. I don't really like Russell Wilson.
I would have loved to see them go 2-15.

Speaker 7 Just so it could be like, what if they had more giggles?

Speaker 8 Right. And that way he could be right about them not having the look of a 3-14 team.

Speaker 7 Would it be worth it to go 3-14 while also leading the league in fun?

Speaker 1 I think it might. Yeah.
He's also not going to play again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is bullshit.

Speaker 8 So it's like, I don't like, he can't control the giggles, laughter, and fun if you're on the bench.

Speaker 7 I think he might play. I think Jameis might play this year.

Speaker 1 I also know he can control the giggles, laughter, and fun. Yeah.

Speaker 7 If you look at Russell Wilson, you say this guy's going to start all 17 games for you,

Speaker 7 in a situation where if the coach loses a lot, he loses his job, there's no chance that Russell Wilson's starting all 17 games.

Speaker 7 Zero.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 8 And then I guess it's an abrace debate. I'll wait.

Speaker 1 We can do it at the end to see what you guys, if you guys address it. Okay.
Okay. PFT?

Speaker 7 Yeah, my hot seat is the crown.

Speaker 7 Yeah. The crown.
The college basketball crown is on the hot seat. People couldn't bet on it.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 The The crown fucked up. Now, you might say, well, people are surely going to watch the crown even if you can't gamble on it.
Wrong.

Speaker 7 That's the whole purpose of this tournament is to give people, like Big Cats, something to bet on after the NCAA tournament's over.

Speaker 7 And it's also a sweet, sweet vindication for our guy, NIT Stu, who is, he takes on all the new competitive tournaments to the NIT every year. And guess what? He was there before you.

Speaker 7 He'll be there after you. That's facts.
The NIT is the granddaddy of them all. It was the national championship before the NCAA tournament came around, which he will be the first to remind you of.

Speaker 7 So he wrote this up, and his explanation for why he thinks that the crown did not work is that Fox Sports did not go through the proper channels to approve the games as being sanctioned by the NCAA to be allowed to be gambled on.

Speaker 1 Crazy. How did he not do that?

Speaker 7 Really, the only thing that you should have been worried about.

Speaker 1 That's what we wanted to do. We wanted to watch the Crown bet the Crown.

Speaker 7 Also, Loyola is in the Final Four of the NIT, I believe.

Speaker 1 They are. Yeah.
Yeah, North Texas, Loyola,

Speaker 1 Cal Poly, Cal Davis.

Speaker 1 I got the last one. No, I don't.

Speaker 7 I forget the last one.

Speaker 1 I almost had the last one.

Speaker 7 That's pretty good, though. Three out of four.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're playing them at Hinkle.

Speaker 7 The last one is

Speaker 1 Chattanooga. Oh, it's UC Irvine.
My fault. UC Irvine.
Chattanooga.

Speaker 7 Chattanooga, Loyola. North Texas, UC Irvine.

Speaker 1 Love it.

Speaker 7 Final four.

Speaker 7 My cool throne is the Jets.

Speaker 1 Oh, I had that as well.

Speaker 7 And the culture around the Jets.

Speaker 7 Because Woody Johnson is offering buyouts. I think two-thirds of the employees are going to be taking a walk after this year, memes.
Is that correct? I believe so. 60%.

Speaker 1 Now, I have a question, PFT, because I had this on my hot seat as well. Does this have any, and I'm not trying to become, you know, a Florio Rossini type, but Woody Johnson

Speaker 1 the other day was on record when asked about the F grade that he received from the NFL PA survey report in February. He said, my first thought was it's totally bogus.

Speaker 1 Does it have anything to do with thinking that the report being like, it's not me that's the problem, it's everyone else,

Speaker 1 and then trying to buy out half of the staff and telling them that they have a culture problem? Is that anything related?

Speaker 7 Nope, nope, because what you're missing out here is that Woody did his own study on his own organization.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 So they had a comprehensive study. And the exercise has identified opportunities to operate, align, and innovate more effectively per the Jets.

Speaker 1 Got it, because it's totally separate. It does seem to me like there was the NFL PA survey, the Jets failed, and Woody Johnson just said, Fuck this.
I hate everyone here. I'm firing you all.

Speaker 7 So, Woody Johnson.

Speaker 1 That's a totally normal reaction to have instead of looking at the mirror and saying, How can I be better?

Speaker 7 Woody Johnson is firing everybody else

Speaker 7 from the Jets but himself. We'll see what happens.
So, two-thirds of the employees' memes. I think you got to say, like,

Speaker 7 maybe, maybe a good thing.

Speaker 1 It could be a good thing just being like, well, we've been losers for the past 15 years. Let's just get everyone out.

Speaker 7 Let's get everybody else changed. New blood.

Speaker 1 Or he could be trying to get the leak out by firing everybody. Or he could just try to be hiring like

Speaker 1 everyone that will just do whatever Woody Johnson says and make sure they don't fill out the NFLPA scorecard.

Speaker 7 Yeah, those are snitches. Yeah.
So he's saying if I fire, excuse me, if I if I buy out two-thirds of my employees, then I have like a 66% chance that I got rid of all the leaks.

Speaker 7 Yeah, possibly. Did he do an email? Was he like, send me in five words or less, tell me what you did to improve the Jets last week?

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. But isn't the NFL PA

Speaker 1 filled out by the players? Yeah, but you would think the culture in the room, in the building, he can't fire all the players. He probably will try.

Speaker 7 Five words to fix it. Remove Diana Rossini from signal chat.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 Problem solved.

Speaker 1 Feels like a good, feels like a normal reaction to have.

Speaker 1 Right, memes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got to go. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 that was going to be my hot seat was all the people at the Jets organization that don't align with Woody Johnson's culture.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is analytics because our friend Jim Harbaugh said on analytics, math tells the truth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If Jim Harbaugh's big on analytics, like you can't, he's our shining beacon when it comes to football guy. who also adopts analytics.

Speaker 7 I'm starting to think that maybe math might be a football thing. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because when he puts it that way, I've never heard, if I had a math teacher in high school that told me that, I would have been like, oh, okay, math is kind of hardcore.

Speaker 7 Somebody told Jim Harbaugh that like, hey, in mathematics, you either get truth or you find out everything else that's a lie. And he's like, well,

Speaker 7 that's what I do. He like, that's his personal philosophy of how he runs a football team.
Somebody made math. appeal to football guys and that person should get a raise.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Also, side note, I went to my son's parent-teacher conference this morning, and he's exceptional at math.
And when I looked at his report card, I was like, oh, you're great at math.

Speaker 1 And he said out loud in front of his teacher, he said, yeah, that's because of mommy, not because of you. And I was like, yeah, true.
I'm terrible at math. But it hurt.

Speaker 1 Right in front of the teacher, too. Basically, he called me a moron.

Speaker 8 I mean, he can't, he's still in addition still, right?

Speaker 1 Two plus five.

Speaker 1 Sometimes struggle with it.

Speaker 7 He's like, Dad, Dad thinks that 12 donuts is really 13.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Why is he always adding in sevens?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Do you guys want to do my embrace debate? Yes.

Speaker 8 Sidney Sweeney and her fiancé split up.

Speaker 8 Do you think that he is

Speaker 8 down bad or better off?

Speaker 1 Like he.

Speaker 1 Down bad in the short term.

Speaker 7 What's he up to?

Speaker 1 Better off in the long term.

Speaker 7 Has he been seen cavorting in public?

Speaker 8 He hasn't. She's been seen at Glenn Powell's sister's wedding.

Speaker 7 She's the one who's canoodling.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 But she's been canoodling.

Speaker 8 Like, if you're engaged to Cindy Sweeney, she's a professional. Like, it's her profession to be matched up with super hot co-stars.
That would have constantly been an issue. Correct.

Speaker 8 Or, like, it's not, no, no one wants that.

Speaker 1 So, so, down bad right now, but yeah, I think long term

Speaker 1 would have to, you'd have to be a very confident man to be able to deal with your fiancé or wife having the entire internet be horny for her at all times. So, yeah.
That's what that was.

Speaker 1 And Glenn Powell is like, he can deal with it because the internet's also horny for him. Yeah.
So it's kind of that that's an equal playing field.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think long-term he's probably going to be like, you know what,

Speaker 1 that was going to be tough.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think anytime your engagement ends,

Speaker 7 you can't be up big at that moment. Right.

Speaker 1 Especially when your fiancé is dating Glenn Powell publicly.

Speaker 7 And your fiancé is Sidney Sweeney. Correct.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Correct.

Speaker 1 What do you think, Hank?

Speaker 8 I mean, kind of what you said, it's obviously like like it sucks if you're going to get married and you're not, you're down bad. But I think,

Speaker 8 like, like you said, long term, it's he's going to be better off and

Speaker 1 ultimately living a normal more normal life. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And also, he probably like the press, the videos of like, because again, it's like she does in romantic comedies. Like, you have to do the press stories where, you know.

Speaker 8 you're selling the romance of your co-star, but like, that's brutal.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Hank, I think you should date Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 1 I'm down.

Speaker 7 Okay. I think that's what the podcast needs.

Speaker 1 It'd be huge for the podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You could handle that, right? The entire internet being horny about him.

Speaker 1 The internet's horny about him. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You guys actually make a good cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm down.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he'll be okay. And I think he also will have some pretty good.
She could be from Chicago.

Speaker 8 She was like at Butch McGuire's.

Speaker 1 No, she's from... She's from like that weird place.
Her fiancé was from Chicago. Yeah, she's from that weird place in like

Speaker 1 Wyoming. Probably knows a city person.
Idaho.

Speaker 8 Sound Alley.

Speaker 1 She's in that circle in Idaho that's like, what goes on here? And people are like, she's from Spokane. Yeah.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 So, close enough. Spokane, Washington.

Speaker 1 Yeah, close enough. So, let's see.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I'm trying to read about her, see what she has in common with you.

Speaker 1 She, uh, I, I, listen, fiancé, if he still lives in Chicago, come by. Let's bro out.

Speaker 1 Sidney Sweeney was raised in North Idaho. Okay, so I was right on that.
Yep. Yep.
Uh, let's bro out, dude. We got your back.
We'll hang out.

Speaker 1 Watch some ball with us. He'll be fine, too, because

Speaker 1 telling a girl, yeah, my ex-fiancé, Sidney Sweeney, I'd imagine that does well. Yeah, for sure.
I'd imagine that.

Speaker 7 It says that she likes to fix up cars, Hank. She can repair your grill.

Speaker 1 Oh, or Vanny Woodhead, what's the update?

Speaker 8 My grill's fixed. Vanny Woodhead's getting fixed.

Speaker 1 We're getting into the spring. I know.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 7 She's got tremendous boobs, and you love boobs.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 7 You guys are practically meant for each other.

Speaker 8 Like I said, I'm down. I'll say it again.

Speaker 1 I'm down.

Speaker 7 Nice.

Speaker 1 Nice. Love that.
April Fools. Oh.
That's good.

Speaker 7 That's smart.

Speaker 1 That's a trigger for Max.

Speaker 7 It's a trigger for Max.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to our interviews.
We got Bruce Pearl, and then we have Min Wu Lee, and then we'll finish with some listener FAQs.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program, and he's getting ready for his second trip to the Final Four. It is Coach Bruce Pearl, Auburn Tigers.
Coach,

Speaker 1 congratulations, first of all. And I had to ask right off the bat,

Speaker 1 it's kind of like a people forget that.

Speaker 1 When you get to cut down the Nets and you're going to San Antonio and you have a Final Four again with this Auburn Tigers team, people forget that you guys had a fight on a plane to start the season.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think you would be here?

Speaker 1 Because it is kind of, you guys are so phenomenal all year that that was completely washed away and it's probably a lot of credit to you but it's been a wild season has that any has that entered your mind going to san antonio and being like man this season started in a weird way no you know what but what jumps out at me big cat is the fact that on that trip we went to houston and we had to play an incredibly well-coached hard play on houston team um

Speaker 6 where we were going to find out whether we're going to be physical tough enough as we progress through the season to be able to be successful.

Speaker 6 And we played one of the best games that we played all year long, particularly late in that game. And I think once we were able to beat Houston

Speaker 6 or at least compete with him,

Speaker 6 we felt like this team had a chance to be pretty special.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you're right.

Speaker 7 You cut down the nets. Is that the net right above your left shoulder there? Is that the actual technology?

Speaker 6 No, that was that actually, that was the 2019 net.

Speaker 6 So I still, I'm hiding this net

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 not sure where we're going to display it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's a tough question. It's like, what do you do with a great net? Do you, I would think, maybe frame it up? It looks like you just put a nail through it and hung it up on the bookshelf.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 6 That's it. Right there.

Speaker 6 That's kind of how I roll. I'm not really in a frames, so let's just hang it up and get, let's go get another one.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I would do the exact same. Just maybe put some chewing gum and stick it to the wall.
But you got a great game coming up against Florida.

Speaker 7 You are the underdog this week. Last weekend, you were like, yeah, I'm going to self-appoint ourselves as underdogs against Michigan State.

Speaker 7 I think you guys were favored in that one, but it was a fantastic game. You actually are the underdog going into this weekend, and you've lost to them once this season.
So

Speaker 7 what do we learn from the loss to Florida that we're going to take into this game?

Speaker 6 Well, BFD, listen, I was not going to allow us to go in against Tom Iso of Michigan State where he was 10-0 against the SEC in the Encinoe tournament and 8-2 in the Elite Eight and let anybody say that Auburn's not the underdog in this matchup.

Speaker 6 I don't care what the book he said.

Speaker 6 And we've been that way all year long.

Speaker 6 You know, we were picked 11th or between 11th and 15th someplace in the preseason, and we managed to be number one for a while. And then

Speaker 6 we go in as the overall number one seed.

Speaker 6 Florida handed it to us. They put 90 on us.
They made 13 threes. They had 22 assists.
They played beautiful basketball in our building.

Speaker 6 And it was one of the bigger wins of the year in college basketball. And so they're not worried about us or afraid of us or intimidated by us.
They've seen it before.

Speaker 6 But it'll be a great matchup. And I do think it'll be a matchup of a great backcourt and a great front line.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know, we'll have to make some adjustments, obviously. They put up 90.
We're not going to be playing on Monday night.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it is fascinating that you guys have played all three of the final four teams.
You beat Houston, which you mentioned early in the season.

Speaker 1 You lost to Duke at Duke, and then you lost to Florida. How much of those games do you take when scouting

Speaker 1 in April? Or is it like, hey, we're throwing that out. We're a different team now.
That was all the way back in November or December for the Duke and Houston case.

Speaker 6 Well, you know what?

Speaker 6 You still look at the matchups. I see these coaches are successful because they are who they are.
And this is what we're going to do and go stop it.

Speaker 6 And so there's not going to be a lot of tricks in the bag and things like that. There'll be some adjustments.

Speaker 6 We'll certainly have to make some adjustments because what some of the things that we did, you know, weren't successful. That's what you look at.

Speaker 6 How much of these teams, two things, how much of these teams improved since the last time we played? And then finally, and probably the most important, what do you have left in the tank?

Speaker 6 How much more step up do you have? Like, for example, in Atlanta, Jania Broome demonstrated that there was step up to even a guy that's the candidate for the National Player of the Year.

Speaker 6 You know, Denver Jones proved that there was step up.

Speaker 6 And so did Todd Pettiford and a lot of our guys did. So if we can continue to step up,

Speaker 6 we'll continue to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I love watching Pettiford play. It's so much fun.
When he gets hot,

Speaker 1 you can just feel it. I think it was the game against Michigan where I even tweeted, I was like, he's getting hot right now.
And you could see it. Like he hit one step back.

Speaker 1 And then it was like the next three minutes. He just owned the game.
Does he always have the green light? Or are you sometimes having to say, hey, Tahad, maybe let's pass the ball a little bit?

Speaker 1 Because if I were his coach, I would give him the green light all the time.

Speaker 1 I'd have us losing with him shooting 40 times.

Speaker 6 Well, Big Cat, that's why you're doing what you're doing and I'm doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 Because listen, Tahad, we need him and and his teammates need him. But one of the things that you've got to do to be on a great team is you've got to all have a little bit of sacrifice.

Speaker 6 You got to share it. Miles Kelly needs shots.
Denver Jones needs an opportunity. We got to put the ball in Chad Bickerbazar's hands.
We've got to isolate Cheney.

Speaker 6 We got to get the ball to the big fellow, Jedi Broome. We got to get Cap, you know, some close ones and some lobs to the rim and get him in spots to offensive rebound.

Speaker 6 In other words, we're only as good as the sum of our parts, but we clearly need the little fellow to make shots and to make reads.

Speaker 6 And so, yes, he does have freedom where he knows what he's supposed to do and when he's supposed to do it okay so have there been has there been a game i think there was one game i think maybe it was the georgia game where he went off where you just looked at him and you're like it's yours go ahead like you you got this yeah well he knows it and uh you know there's a there's part of the reason why he banged one and then got three more is because my offensive coordinator mike burgermaster went to him and and and and those guys know the looks and they know the plays and look if you just let him do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it then your floor may not be balanced in transition.

Speaker 6 You may not have good offensive rebounding opportunities. So timing and spacing of some of the shots that he takes is absolutely vital.
And he understands that, even though he's a freshman.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I did notice that he changed his shoes at halftime in the Elite Eight. I don't know if you caught that.

Speaker 7 Maybe he wasn't feeling himself in the first half, but he came out of the second half. I was like, okay, it's on because he's identified the problem.
Now he's wearing the blue shoes.

Speaker 7 He's going to be hot in the second half. Was that a coaching point?

Speaker 1 Did you tell him that? No, that's good.

Speaker 6 I didn't notice it, but that's, that's the play. Hey, that's the freedom you give your players.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, that's true.
All right. So another freedom guy, Chad Baker Mazzara.
I love watching him play. Love that guy.

Speaker 1 He's, he, to me, and you could tell me I'm way wrong, but like sometimes it feels like he might be the heartbeat, the energy heartbeat of your team in terms of like he is very, he wears his heart on his sleeve.

Speaker 1 He's had some moments where he's been kicked out of games. Do you, when you're coaching him, are you telling him anything, like giving him any guidelines?

Speaker 1 Or are you saying, hey, we know that we feed off of what you're doing because there'll be times where I think it was actually in the Michigan state game where it was like he stole the ball he got a jump ball he got a rebound like it all happened in like 60 seconds you could feel the game shift just off of his energy yeah and and and i'll tell you what big cat even though um he didn't score great um in atlanta and and in the sweet 16 or the elite eight he affects the game in a lot of ways because he he he gets his hands on a lot of balls at 6'8 with those long arms.

Speaker 6 He's a really, he has great understanding about how to defend, how to communicate,

Speaker 6 and he makes a lot happen. A lot of times when you give the ball to, like, for example, when I give the ball to Todd, I want him to score first, score second, then make the easy pass.

Speaker 6 With Chad,

Speaker 6 I just want him to play because he'll score, shoot, pass, and make the right read nine times out of 10. And so he's got a great feel to get, he's got stuff you can't teach.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 He's got feel. And that's why I think you like him so much.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And yeah, he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's passionate, and he's just got to channel that emotion into being something positive.

Speaker 6 And he really tries to do that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I love watching him play. You're right.
He plays with his heart on his sleeve.

Speaker 7 As a coach, when you're watching him, can you sense like, hey, it might be time to get chat on the bench just for a second? Let him take a couple deep breaths.

Speaker 7 Maybe do some meditations in the back end?

Speaker 6 100%. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 You know, teams are going to go after him. They're going to cheap shot him.
They're going to grab him. They're going to hope that maybe he can lose control.
And

Speaker 6 a miss shot or a bad call or things like that.

Speaker 6 You could tell if he's going to overcome it quickly or just get him out and give him another minute or two and he will always recover.

Speaker 6 But that's a good feel that you have to have that he has. And he always bounces back.

Speaker 7 So one of the wildest parts of the game, the Elite Eight, probably had your heart up in your throat for a little bit was when Jania Barroom came out, grabbing his elbow, looked like he was hurt.

Speaker 7 I'm a lip-reading expert. It seemed like he said, I'm done.
Like, this is it for me.

Speaker 7 Was that what your impression was?

Speaker 7 Were you shocked to see him come out of the locker room and say, hey, I'm good to go?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 I thought that we were going to have to play the last 10 minutes of the game without him. And I knew that Dylan and Cheney and the rest of the guys could hold it down defensively.

Speaker 6 I also knew that without him, our offense would be compromised and we'd have to do some different things.

Speaker 6 But when he came back out of locker room and i heard the crowd first and so then i sort of turned and saw him walking towards me kind of a stoic look on his face i wasn't sure whether he was just coming out to support his teammates or was he going to go in the game and so i looked at him i said are you okay he said i think so

Speaker 6 i said do you want to go back in the game he said yes i said well then get your ass in there And it was good timing because Dylan Cardwell was popped.

Speaker 6 I was either going to have to sub somebody or call a timeout and let Cap rest for a little bit. So

Speaker 6 it worked out pretty well. It was a Willis Reed moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And if Janai Broome or his family were ever wondering how valuable,

Speaker 6 how much he is appreciated by the Auburn family,

Speaker 6 that state farm arena was as loud when Janai Broome walked out as Madison Square Garden was when Willis Reed walked out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a great, great moment. So how is he feeling?

Speaker 1 You obviously are going to not give us a straight answer, but maybe wink at us or something. Like, is he going to be good to go? Come on.

Speaker 6 Big cat, I wouldn't do that. Oh, he just winked.

Speaker 1 He just winked. Okay, so he's good.
He's good to go.

Speaker 6 All I can tell you is that is that he's not going to practice for a couple days. He needs to rest and recover.

Speaker 6 You know, and all year long, he's bounced back from injuries, a shoulder, an ankle.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I have no doubt that he'll bounce back from this, but we probably won't move him much until Thursday. Okay.

Speaker 7 If you had to cut one of his arms off and he only had one arm, would he be in your rotation?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he would be. As long as we were cutting off the right arm, not the left.
He needs that left arm pretty much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he needs it. That makes sense.
All right.

Speaker 1 So your matchup against Florida, this is interesting because you, Todd Golden, you hired him onto your Auburn staff when he was very, like he was, you know, he was in the private sector.

Speaker 1 Then he coached and assistant coached at Columbia for a couple of years. Then you take a shot on him.
His career has been taken off. He's done great things with Florida.

Speaker 1 So it's a little bit of a, you know, teacher and student thing.

Speaker 1 Is there any part of that where you're game planning, where you know him well, he knows you well, where you try not to outsmart yourself?

Speaker 6 You know what? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 6 Not only did I hire Todd, but I hired Todd when I first got the Auburn job.

Speaker 6 In other words, when I hired my son Steven and I hired Todd and I hired Harris Adler and a couple other guys that worked with us that first year,

Speaker 6 you know what?

Speaker 6 I surrounded myself with friends and family. Tony Jones joined me.
He was with me at Auburn. And so,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 6 and then we brought in the legend, Chuck Person, who was a great, great player here. And,

Speaker 6 you know, so. I trusted Todd.
And he really got his teeth cut here.

Speaker 6 I think he watched the way we wanted to try to run our program, saw some things that we did well, saw some things that we didn't do well, and then went on.

Speaker 6 And he's obviously, he played for a great coach at St. Mary's.
He's worked for some great coaches. And so it's no surprise to me that he's done big things at such a young age already at Florida.

Speaker 1 Are there any, though, wrinkles in your game plan where you're like, I know he knows how to stop this because he knows it because

Speaker 1 he worked with you hand in hand for a couple of years. So is there anything that you're like, hey, we know he's going to expect this.
So we got to have maybe something a little bit different from it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that, but there's more than anything. Look, they know how we play.
We know how they play to the best man win.

Speaker 6 I mean, I just think that sometimes at this point of season,

Speaker 6 we're going to tweak, but we're not going to tinker. I mean, we are who we are, and we know how we play best and the things that we do best, and that's what we're going to roll with.

Speaker 1 I don't know. You probably didn't see, well, you probably saw it afterwards.
The Houston-Purdue game, the blob at the end of the game by Kelvin Sampson.

Speaker 1 Do you have a blob that if I put a gun to your head, I was like, this has to work, otherwise you're dead? Do you have a blob that you're like, this will save my life?

Speaker 6 Well, Big Cat, we score 48% of the time on under-basket out-of-bounds plays. Okay.
And that rank in the top five in the country. So it's a very, very dangerous place to have the basketball.

Speaker 6 Purdue does certain things in their coverage with how they... X out off the inbound passer.
Kelvin Sampson knew that.

Speaker 6 So he put their inbound passer in a position where he would anticipate that he would jump off the ball, therefore leaving that window of opportunity available. And he probably had that one in his bag.

Speaker 6 He just used it at the right time.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I've always wondered that if you've got a great play like that, I would burn it like on the first blob of the night. I'd be like, yeah, okay, let's use the play that we're going to score on.

Speaker 7 How much does it take discipline to keep your best blob in your back pocket?

Speaker 6 It does. It does.
We had a pretty good blob against, I think it was, yeah, it was Michigan, where we actually slipped Chandi Johnson to the basket, anticipating that Wolf would jump out and switch.

Speaker 6 We hadn't run that play all year long, and it was about six or seven minutes left to go in a game, and

Speaker 6 it was a big bucket for us. So, yep, coaches have got to have some of that stuff in their bag.

Speaker 1 Now, do you, I know it's a little bit of a different situation, but do you ever see a do you ever run a great slob and then you're like, I'm going to use it as the blob?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, you could, you could turn that thing around.

Speaker 1 You can slob to blob?

Speaker 6 You could absolutely slob the blob.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 You can blob to slob. You can go backwards?

Speaker 6 Not everybody can, but I can.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 7 It's experienced. That's a great coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sloping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 7 I got to imagine there's some additional pressure on you as well, knowing that if you lose, you stand to make Charles Barkley look like a fool, like a damn fool on national television.

Speaker 6 Look, Charles, I think, picked Florida to win it from the jump. I think his bracket has Florida in.
I think Charles' bracket actually has Florida advancing and winning the national championships. So,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 6 Charles is large and he's in charge.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And he's in charge of his own bracket. I do think he had us getting to the final four, though.
I do.

Speaker 6 I just don't think he had us going all the way.

Speaker 7 So he had Florida beating Auburn in the Final Four?

Speaker 6 I think he did.

Speaker 1 I think he did.

Speaker 7 That's either extremely disrespectful on his part, or he's a great friend because he's giving you extra bulletin board material. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 Charles is a great entertainer, so we try not to take everything he says seriously. But listen, there's nobody, I'm happy in so many ways for Auburn.
I'm happy for the university.

Speaker 6 I'm happy for our leadership. I'm happy for our student body.

Speaker 6 I'm happy for the students, the student athletes and their families that have all, you know, done so much to get their sons to this point in their lives and now being rewarded with, you know, being at the top of it.

Speaker 6 I'm happy for my coaches and their families. And I'm happy for my family, you know, that have been so incredibly supportive.

Speaker 6 And we just shared in this life and we share in this, you you know, in this success. And, you know, we're incredibly grateful.
And I won one national championship in Division II back in 1995. And

Speaker 6 I'm getting closer to, you know, where this is sort of, I'm playing. I'm clearly on the back nine.
I don't know that I'm playing the 18th hole yet.

Speaker 6 But I'm running out of holes.

Speaker 1 I'm running out of time.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 7 this would be, there'd be no time like the present to get a national championship it'd be big for the conference too you're rocking the sec on your shirt right there yeah some conference pride

Speaker 7 if if florida were to beat you would you root for florida in the national championship are you that are you that pro SEC

Speaker 6 um you know what I probably would because of Todd but I got to be honest I've got great relationship with both John Shire and Kelvin Sampson and think a great deal about them and as competitors so

Speaker 6 yeah but they would understand that Todd would be more personal than just about the league. But

Speaker 6 man,

Speaker 6 at some point, there's going to be a picture of the final four coaches.

Speaker 6 I'm glad to be one of them. And I'm even gladder to be in that picture with three guys that I know and respect really well.

Speaker 1 Did you, so the SEC obviously had a phenomenal year. Did you see the stat, though, that you guys were only 500 in conference play?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I thought we would have been a little bit over 500 in conference play, but that one caught me by surprise, too. Okay.

Speaker 6 But fortunately, we were a lot better than that in non-conference play, you know. So, yeah, that was something that we had to overcome all season long.

Speaker 6 And no matter what we did all year long, you know, we just couldn't get over that 500 mark.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, even worse than that, a bigger black guy for the conference, I think, is that you guys are going to set the record for most NCAA tournament losses this season.

Speaker 1 That's true. Pretty crazy, right? Like overrated, maybe?

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 6 That's not the spin that I'm looking for right there.

Speaker 6 And I'm not going to be a party to that.

Speaker 6 14 out of our 16 teams went. Seven got to the sweet 16.
You know, four made it to the elite eight and two are in the final four. So, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't deliver.

Speaker 6 I think the SEC has delivered. It just means more.

Speaker 1 It has been an incredible season for the SEC. I had one other question about your end of the season.
So this is also why I'm podcasting in your coaching.

Speaker 1 You guys finished the end of the season losing three out of four. Kind of felt like it was fading a little.

Speaker 1 If I were coaching, I would have been like, hey, guys, we suck. It's over.
Like, we suck. What was your message, though, to the guys? Because

Speaker 1 that was kind of a weird time where people were like, hey, Auburn has had, their resume is impeccable, but what's happening here when we're getting to March and it's time to play good basketball and they lose a couple games they probably should have won.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, there's two ways to look at it. One way.

Speaker 6 And this is the way I looked at it. We had clinched the SEC championship at Rupp a week before the season was over.

Speaker 6 And we got to go play the number three seed in the NCAA tournament, Texas AM, on senior night. All right.
We don't play great. They play well.
We lose the game.

Speaker 6 All right. Then we got to come home and play our arch rival, Alabama.
We'd beaten him in a one-two matchup in Tuscaloosa. It'd be great to get the brooms up and sweep them.

Speaker 6 Nobody wants to lose to your arch rival. And we get beat on a buzzer shot.
in overtime, I think, or something. I don't even know what.
Anyways, a buzzer shot.

Speaker 6 They were a two-seed, obviously got to the Elite eight. Then we go to the SEC tournament.
We beat Ole Miss for the third time. Oh, they, they, by the way, they were in a sweet 16.

Speaker 6 So we were, the wheels weren't coming off. And then we lose a game in the SEC tournament to Tennessee.
They were two seed, got all the way to the elite eight. So we lost to three great teams.

Speaker 6 And no, you're right, though. We weren't playing our best basketball.
I do think that we got a little bit of a wake-up call against Alabama State. My associate coach, Stephen Pearl, called us out.

Speaker 6 My captain, Dylan Cardwell, called us out,

Speaker 6 said some things that needed to be said. And fortunately, in the second round,

Speaker 6 we played one of the best nine seeds in the history of the tournament in Creighton. Creighton had been to four of the last five Sweet 16s.
And that was our matchup in the 8-9 game.

Speaker 6 By the way, the 8-9 game is so scary for the ones.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Because those teams are all capable of beating you.

Speaker 6 And we had to play really well against Creighton. And once we played really well against Creighton, I knew that if we had missed a step, we were back.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I like how you said your associate head coach, Stephen Pearl. Is that how we do it? Not your son?

Speaker 6 No, no, he's my associate head coach.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 is there a line that crosses where it's like, hey, when we're home and your mom's around, well, you know, we can be father-son. But when we're in the locker room, like, we're, this is.

Speaker 1 No, it's all the time.

Speaker 6 He's the father of my grandchild, Laney Marie.

Speaker 1 That's who he is. Yeah, yeah.
Associate head coach.

Speaker 6 You know, and he grew up, he grew up little buddy. He grew up as little buddy.

Speaker 6 The guys all, the the players all called him little little buddy so um i know i i refer to him as son uh but he's my defensive coordinator and he's my associate head coach and we're playing for a national championship this weekend so that's awesome yeah

Speaker 6 that being able to share that with your son is is really really cool because you know i mean like you said you you don't know how many more years but i and i assume that your son is going to be a head coach at some point so that's this isn't just unlimited amount of time yeah yeah no doubt and and and big cat he's a big cat big fan of barstool big fan of you guys and uh you guys will enjoy having him on in years to come way more he's way more entertaining than i am um but look stephen could have left auburn years ago and become a head coach a lot of different opportunities were out there for him but you know what he wanted to stay he wanted to help his father and um you know there's a little there's a little godfather in this uh family you know i like that i didn't want this i didn't want this for stephen i wanted it to be you know senator pearl

Speaker 6 you know president pearl i didn't want it to be associate head coach Pearl, but that's the, but this is the business we've chosen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love that. Yeah, I appreciate that.
You're like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 I want you to do better than I did.

Speaker 7 I was the one that was out here grinding as a basketball coach so you could achieve something. I was like, dad, this is the line of work.

Speaker 7 It's in my blood.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, man.
That's great.

Speaker 7 So one thing that we always pay attention to as fans is the big gyms that you have to shoot in sometimes in March.

Speaker 7 So you're going to be playing in San Antonio, not necessarily known as a shooter's gym it's a big you know big a lot of room behind the basket is that something that you guys can prepare for or is that something that we overblow as fans watching the games trying to sound smart no i think it's probably a factor i just hope the wind is at our backs for the whole game and uh you know it's such i tell you the the hardest thing about playing in in a dome is it takes me 20 minutes to go from the court to the locker room.

Speaker 1 It's like a workout.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, it's like it's like three quarters of a mile to get from the, you know, from the, and then if you make that walk three or four times, you know, you kind of get your steps in for the day.

Speaker 6 Um, and so, like, I better leave. I'm probably only going to talk to my team for like five minutes at halftime.
I will have to leave early to be able to get on the court for the second half tip.

Speaker 7 It's like that, was it the Deontay Wilder fight where he took like seven minutes walking out to the ring? By the time he got there, he was gassed, got knocked out.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, you gotta, you gotta play that advance. Maybe get a scooter, yeah, or like a golf cart to drive you out there.

Speaker 6 I'm not quite quite scooter age yet.

Speaker 6 I have gotten my ARP card, and if I did get a

Speaker 6 scooter, I would get a senior citizen discount.

Speaker 1 But I'm not there yet.

Speaker 6 I'm just going to find a way to make this limp look like a swagger.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But it's not, it's, it's definitely not there yet. I'm not there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, you have been a mainstay in coaching for a long time. I, I always think back to the Tennessee days and how much, how much different college sports have become in those 15 years.

Speaker 7 Has anybody from the NCAA ever reached out to you and been like, hey,

Speaker 7 sorry about getting you in trouble for having a cookout for feeding your players hamburgers?

Speaker 6 No, no, listen, no, they haven't. And you know what, guys,

Speaker 6 for me, honestly, the reflection is,

Speaker 6 like, even if you do make mistakes, you know, God offers us grace.

Speaker 6 And I don't know whether

Speaker 6 there's anything that kind of go along with it, like you have to act a certain way or believe a certain way in order to get the grace.

Speaker 6 You know, back in the day, I was accountable for my stake. Mistakes, you know, cost some people their jobs and the families of my coaching staff.
And so I let some people down for sure.

Speaker 6 But I got a second chance. And so there are a lot of people that have accomplished a great deal, but without a second chance, they wouldn't be where they are.

Speaker 6 So listen, I am just nothing but grateful, you know, to Auburn for giving me the opportunity to get back into coaching and

Speaker 6 let me lead this incredible university. By the way, you guys are too young, but you don't want kids old enough to kind of go to college.

Speaker 6 You should really, really look at this place.

Speaker 1 It's amazing.

Speaker 1 I went down.

Speaker 1 We saw you this year when we went and did the live show, and I was just like, this place is a good thing. You guys are here for the Cal football game.

Speaker 6 You guys are here for the Cal football game.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. It might have been Cal.
I can't remember what weekend, but it was awesome. It was incredible.
It's picturesque.

Speaker 1 As long as I have three kids, one of them has to go to Wisconsin, and the other two could go somewhere like SEC warm. So that's fine.

Speaker 6 Well, the Badgers have got a great football environment. Camp Randall, and that's good.
It is. It's pretty.

Speaker 6 When you say

Speaker 1 Wisconsin, you send it all.

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Speaker 1 All right, so I'll end the interview with how I started it. Let's just say you guys win on Saturday.
Houston wins on Saturday. It's Houston-Auburn.

Speaker 1 Are we doing a simulated fight in like a ballroom on a plane before that game, just so like out of out of tradition, before you play Houston? No? No, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 6 But listen, I want to tell you a little secret about Calvin Sampson and I.

Speaker 6 We actually resemble each other.

Speaker 6 I'm a little darker than Calvin. His hair is a little darker than mine.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 6 we decided a long time ago. that if we ever got caught in the wrong place, he was going to be Bruce Pearl and I was going to be Kelvin Snoop.

Speaker 6 Unfortunately, neither one of us travel in wrong places, and so therefore we don't have to worry about that. So, no, that'd be like praying, that'd be like playing my stepbrother right there.

Speaker 1 That'd be incredible.

Speaker 1 It's a great Final Four. It's pretty cool to be part of, you know, going into it, the best Final Four on paper that has ever happened because all four teams are just so, so good and so dominant.

Speaker 1 So, congrats again, and it's always fun to talk to you. Hopefully, we have you back on.
Maybe, you know what?

Speaker 1 We'll request associate head coach Steven Pearl after you guys win the national title.

Speaker 6 That'd be a way, way better interview. But guys, I hope the product delivers.
But I do think you're right.

Speaker 6 I don't think you can name a fifth team that this year deserves to be playing for the national championship more than the four teams that are alive.

Speaker 6 And there's something really, really good about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, agree. I would agree with that.

Speaker 7 It should be a great matchup. Two great matchups, and then hopefully a great championship game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, thanks so much, Coach.

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Speaker 7 And now here's Minwoo Lee.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, fresh off of his first PGA tour win at the Texas Children's Houston Open. It is Min Woo Lee.

Speaker 1 Thank you. First of all, congrats.
Congrats on the first PGA Tour win. Huge win.
How does it feel to have that? Has it hit your bank account yet

Speaker 4 uh no i'm waiting for it it's uh i think it's on a wednesday usually so i'm waiting for that uh notification and then i think it will be a sweet one uh but thank you no um it feels surreal and uh yeah it's it's it's a strange feeling because it's you know you're doing your everyday life stuff as a usual week but in the back of your head you're like yep i just won that tournament so uh it's a pretty cool feeling yeah it was a very uh fun final round.

Speaker 1 And there was one moment that I'm dying to know about. You hit it into the water.

Speaker 1 What hole was that?

Speaker 1 16. You hit it in the water, 16, and Scotty Scheffler's, you know, obviously the guy right behind you in terms of the scoreboard.

Speaker 1 Were you like, holy shit, this is all going to fall apart right here? Because I know that from an average golfer, when you hit it in the water, you're like, that's it. We're packing in for the day.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 a little bit of both. You know, I was so mentally like locked in

Speaker 4 that

Speaker 4 there was a little bit of doubt because I know Scotty made Bertie on the 16th green and I can see that.

Speaker 4 The only place I couldn't go is the water. And yeah, decided to go over there, make it a bit interesting.
But

Speaker 4 a bit of both, a bit of both.

Speaker 4 You are thinking, hey, you know, this set, I mean, what was it, the fourth shot that I hit after, you know, the T-shot was not easy, the second T-shot, shot because you you don't want to hit it too far left because that's you know that's a tendency you hit one right you're gonna hit one left so I managed to get it somewhere down there and then I hit it to you know had like a 9-ine in and it wasn't like the easiest because there was a little bit of mud on the ball and you know mud on the ball makes it go everywhere so I had like a 30 footer and then made made my bogey which was I think I think reasonable for that and then you know it was kind of game on made two really nice pars and got it done.

Speaker 4 But it was, you know, I was hoping Scotty didn't make 30 on either 17 or 18 because that would have made it a lot tougher.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, you're a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I like you.

Speaker 7 For a brief moment on Sunday, I despised you. And I'd like to give you a chance to clear it up, to explain things so we can get back to liking you again.
The eighth hole.

Speaker 7 It took 30 minutes to play the eighth hole. I think I said that we got to start stroking guys

Speaker 7 after you completed that hole. I just mostly say we got to start stroking guys because it's fun to say.

Speaker 7 But it took you 30 minutes, a half hour to play the eighth hole. You hit your first shot under a tree, and then you tried to figure out what you were going to do.

Speaker 7 Can you walk us through why that hole took a half hour?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 someone needs to clear that up.

Speaker 4 Was it 30 minutes just waiting on the T as well? Because we waited for a good five, ten minutes there.

Speaker 7 That's a good question. I don't know.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, it didn't feel like 30 minutes, but I think part of it was waiting on on the T because, okay,

Speaker 4 that was obviously a moment that on social media, everyone's like, yeah, 30 minutes, it shouldn't be like that. You should start stroking guys.

Speaker 4 But, I mean, a couple holes later, we like caught up to them and every hole was slow from then. So, yes, that hole was slow.
But, I mean, we had to wait every hole on the back nine.

Speaker 4 So, it's not like it made that big of a difference. Yes, it was slow for that hole.
And I'm sorry about that. But,

Speaker 4 I mean, I had a tough decision. I mean, as an aggressive kid, like, I wanted to, you know, get on my knees and hit that shot.

Speaker 4 But, you know, my veteran caddy out here, you know, was telling me, hey, you know, and it happened. That exact thing, what he said happened.
And it could have gone either way.

Speaker 4 You know, in my situation, I was like, okay, the lie is okay if I take a drop. It's a bit of a bare lie.
And I didn't hit my two eye. I'm good out of there.
But,

Speaker 4 you know, I thought if I could whack it out, you know, 20 yards and still have a shot onto the green, I can easily make a par that way but there was obviously risk involved so hopefully you uh

Speaker 4 like me after this but um it was like it yeah it was it looked bad obviously no one wants to take 30 minutes but yeah it took it took a while i mean there was obviously the whole situation with the toasty stuff but that i mean yeah yeah where is that right now because you did have a slow playoff uh that was going on that that toasty was being accused of then slow playing you by walking behind you um love it this is what we this is what we tune in for golf two guys to slow play each other how how how have you talked to him or is it is it beef yeah no no no there's abs the that's the funny thing there was i had no clue what he was talking about with the rules official on eight So I didn't know anything, anything about that.

Speaker 4 I didn't know if it took 30 minutes. I didn't know if he talked to the rules official because after I hit my shot, I walked to the fairway and he was talking to a rules official.

Speaker 4 and i heard bone say like why is he talking to a rules official after all this time while he was waiting for me and why couldn't he do it while i was hitting the shot so there was a bit of confusion there um he was obviously talking about how slow i was but in my defense there's 100 people right next to me and i can't look over to the other side of the fairway to get a number especially on 18 as well to get a number from the spring player if there was no crowd it's easy like you can like my caddy can step out step it out but when there's people nav, like, around you, it's hard to get a yardage, and I think you know, that's a reason why range finally come back in.

Speaker 4 Um, and that would have made it easier. I would have hit the shot within my time limit.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 4 yeah, there was no beef. There was no beef.
I mean, he stayed. I mean, props to him.
He stayed towards the end after media, after my trophy presentation.

Speaker 4 So, he stayed like an hour and a half to say, you know, this is this is what happened on social media. And I took a glimpse of it on social media.

Speaker 4 I opened my Instagram, I saw something about it, and I was like, I don't care. I won the tournament, like, whatever.
And

Speaker 4 it looked bad on Toasty because he was obviously, you know, walking back there.

Speaker 4 But he said he went to the bathroom, which, fair enough, that, you know, you're going to be 100, 150 yards behind anyway. So,

Speaker 4 I mean, for the guys that want drama, like, I'm sorry, I don't think it's as beefy as it looked like.

Speaker 4 But no, I mean, I'm fine. We're fine.

Speaker 4 I think we're fine.

Speaker 4 But, yeah.

Speaker 1 I did like that at the end you had some fun with it and you did the aim point for your what, like three-inch putt to win the whole thing.

Speaker 1 And did you see the clip that Scotty actually laughed as well? Which that

Speaker 1 we need more of that in golf. That was fun.
Yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 4 I mean, yeah, yeah. I just thought it was a funny moment.

Speaker 4 You're never going to do it ever any other time unless you have that. And,

Speaker 4 you know i'm a bit of bit of the man of the people you know and i try to try to make some fun out of it and there was no beef about that with toasty or anything i just i just told my daddy hey would it be funny if i did this and he said yeah

Speaker 4 i'll do it and it was just one of those things that i'm a bit of a jokester so i just thought of that in that moment and uh yeah it was funny imagine if you had missed that though yeah did you did that thought cross your mind like in the in the 15 seconds after you did the aim point you're like well i better fucking make it now

Speaker 4 well i wouldn't have done it if it was like three feet. No, that's a bit of a different story, but because it was such a, you know, tap in, it was fine.
But yeah, it could have been bad if

Speaker 4 I think the, I think this, I think social media was like, oh, that's a bit tough and bad because like, you know, puttings hard and short putts are tough. But that was, that was short enough to do it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, I liked it a lot. So you have three M's that you've credited with your success.
Would you like to explain what the three M's are?

Speaker 7 Three M's? The three M's. The mustache is one.

Speaker 7 The mock turtleneck is the other. And then the mullet is the third.
I'm not seeing. Did you trim up the mullet a little bit?

Speaker 4 No, actually,

Speaker 4 the last time I trimmed it up was,

Speaker 4 you know, Vic Blenz. He uh he cut my hair in Arizona for the waste management.
So and then I obviously got some highlights to

Speaker 4 have a bit of fun with it and uh yeah, I might have to keep that so there was a there was a moment in between where uh i had the mullet and the highlights so i might i might go get the mullet again uh and then the moustache i've had it for a year or two and uh

Speaker 4 yeah it's just one of those things where it just stays and you know it's just your look uh what was the other end the mock turtleneck the mock turtleneck okay that's um

Speaker 4 That might be in the making, so look out for it, and I'm looking forward to whatever comes out.

Speaker 4 You know, big week next week, so

Speaker 4 it might just make an appearance then.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So how are you feeling for Augusta?

Speaker 1 Can you win it?

Speaker 4 I think so. I mean, last week was a very big turning moment for me.

Speaker 4 You know, after the players, a couple times, you know, I faltered a little bit and

Speaker 4 I just locked in last week.

Speaker 4 I don't know why. I think I was

Speaker 4 a bit embarrassed about how I went about on Saturday and at the Players. And I think that's just all a

Speaker 6 learning curve.

Speaker 4 I mean, you want to play as good as the first two rounds, but when you're sleeping on lead and when you're doing that,

Speaker 4 it's just part of it. And it kind of

Speaker 4 you have to take a moment to realize what happened. How was I

Speaker 4 acting? How is my body language? And I think that was that was a big part. The second time, obviously, at the players, a couple weeks ago,

Speaker 4 that was a huge moment for me.

Speaker 4 And obviously, a couple weeks later, I bounced back and took the dub. So,

Speaker 4 I think pretty proud of the way I handled myself. And that's going to be massive for times coming.
Yeah. Augusta will be a pretty cool one.
I played pretty good there.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 1 yeah, we'll see. Yeah, so you've played, this is your fourth Masters at Augusta.

Speaker 1 So, do you feel like you are getting to a point where you know it better and you can start playing it in a more aggressive fashion because it feels like when we talk to guys about Augusta, it's like the first couple times you're just kind of in awe and you don't really know all the tricks.

Speaker 1 And then once you start figuring it out, you can start playing the angles and figuring out where your shots want to be.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a bit of both. You need to hit it good, obviously.
You need to be on your game. Everyone can just say, hey, Augusta is this, this, this, but you still got to hit it really good.

Speaker 4 I came, I don't know, 14th in my first year, and I got really comfortable with it. I don't know.
I just, I love the way it shaped for me. Not too many, like, very straight holes.

Speaker 4 You need to do something off the tee, which I love. That's why I play, you know, pretty good at the players too.
It just, saw grass just suits my eye.

Speaker 4 I don't mind hitting a draw now and then. And, you know, when everything's kind of firing, it's...

Speaker 4 You know, it's fun. And I just love the wig.
There's something, obviously, there's something about it, but you just have this feeling that,

Speaker 4 I don't know, you get there and you're like, shit, this is it.

Speaker 4 This is the big dance.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 In the full swing documentary,

Speaker 7 they were talking about you and your sister because your sister is a very good golfer. I think you said that she's better than I am at some point.

Speaker 7 And that if you practice more, maybe you'd be as good, but you just sometimes don't feel like practicing. Do you, have you, have you changed up your practice game at all since that taped?

Speaker 7 Have you dedicated yourself more to it?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 the last few years, yes. I mean, we probably recorded that a couple years ago.

Speaker 4 Right now, I can say that I work hard and I don't feel like I leave too much out there. But yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah, you change your routine a little bit.

Speaker 4 You know, when you feel tired, when you feel this, you know, you don't want to do it, but you kind of push yourself to do it.

Speaker 4 And obviously that,

Speaker 4 you know, it's helping. And yeah, I was always a talented kid.
You know, I always, you know, kind of took the shortcuts, but you can't take shortcuts.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you want to beat Scotty, you've got to work hard. You know, you've got to play good and practice hard to beat all these top players.
So you're going to fall behind if you don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I got a dumb question, and I'm sure you get it asked a lot.
Obviously, growing up in Australia, how many kangaroos have you seen? And have you ever had to fight a kangaroo?

Speaker 1 I said it was a dumb question. I said it was a dumb question.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, no. No, it's actually, you know, at the golf course that my coach used to coach at, there was kangaroos everywhere on the golf course.

Speaker 4 So I think I relate it a little bit to kind of like deers, you know, like some courses have deers on there and this course had it. And there's a few, there's a few courses that have.

Speaker 4 So you don't really see them too much in the wild, like, you know, in the city and stuff, and when you drive around, but in like golf courses and some bush areas, you do see kangaroos and

Speaker 4 no fights, nothing, you know. You go up to them and they usually run away, but some of them actually get up on their tail and try to box you, but normally they just run away.
So,

Speaker 4 not really a dumb question, but yeah, it's it's chill for kangaroos.

Speaker 1 Follow-up dumb question: Then, how many spiders or snakes have you killed in your life?

Speaker 4 Uh, I have

Speaker 4 okay, spiders, like everyone thinks spiders in Australia are like

Speaker 4 massive, and I don't think I've seen one that's you know bigger than bigger than my fist it's that's a big spider that's a big spider I mean okay so I've only seen like a couple of them but you just leave them and if you're in a clean place like you're fine but if you're maybe in the desert in the bush and you know you don't take care of your house you're probably going to get some spiders but

Speaker 4 you don't I mean you don't kill too many spiders or snakes I've seen two snakes in my life and you know they just run away so uh we got snakes on For someone being in Australia, it's not

Speaker 4 that it's not as bad as what everyone thinks.

Speaker 7 We got snakes on golf courses here in the United States.

Speaker 4 Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 4 I mean, okay, okay. An argument, dumb question, whatever.

Speaker 4 What about guns, bro?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 what about them? Like, I think spiders and snakes are a bit better than guns, to be honest. Good point.

Speaker 7 The only way to stop a bad guy with a spider is a good guy with a spider. Good point.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a fair point.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So that's my question. That's my question to you guys.

Speaker 1 No, it's a very fair point.

Speaker 7 That's fair.

Speaker 7 Heard that you got a nice congratulatory FaceTime from Justin Bieber. Is that true?

Speaker 4 Okay, yeah, that is, that was wild, you know?

Speaker 4 I had my phone on Do Not Disturb because there was about 100 messages every second when I was doing media.

Speaker 4 So I put on Do Not Disturb and I checked my phone log and, you know, there's a couple friends and then there's... Justin Bieber.
And I'm like, shit, I just, you know, kind of ghosted him.

Speaker 4 He probably thinks I ghosted him.

Speaker 4 So then I messaged him. I said a media, blah, blah, blah.
And I was on the flight to Vegas and

Speaker 4 like just got on the plane and he FaceTimed me and I was like, holy shit, this is a pretty, pretty epic moment.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was a very cool moment. It was very cool.
It's, you know, my girlfriend's crazy.

Speaker 4 Usually my friends of girls are... Yeah, going crazy about that.
And I mean, I go crazy. I talk to him a little bit, and he's a legend.
So, and he loves golf. So it's very cool.
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 7 So I saw a clip of you and you were running some nicknames by some people. Trying to figure out a good nickname.
Have we settled on Woozy?

Speaker 4 Woozy's probably the... Woozy's, I mean, Woozie came from my Call of Duty gamer tag.

Speaker 4 So that's, that kind of, and I put it on my yardage book on the back of my pants, and that kind of grew a little bit. And then obviously got Chef and the Chipinski stuff.
So

Speaker 4 yeah, quite a few nicknames.

Speaker 7 I took the liberty of jotting down a a couple others if you'd like to hear I like this just kind of brainstormed you can tell me what you think what about your Australian what about the woo min onion

Speaker 7 that's pretty cool that's good woo and onion pretty cool uh kanga woo jack

Speaker 7 yeah that's good that's good kanga woo okay that's good uh whoops i did it a minute

Speaker 7 a min what's the what's the amin for like whoops i did it again the britney spears Nah, nah. Yeah, you're Bieber guy.
You're Bieber guy. And then the last one is Woo Min Centipede.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's pretty cool. Okay, the Woo Min Centipede.

Speaker 7 I like that. That's cool.

Speaker 1 We should get...

Speaker 1 Does PGA Tour have any

Speaker 1 events this year near Chicago?

Speaker 4 No, they got rid of... Didn't they get rid of it towards the end? Like, it used to be a playoff event.

Speaker 1 Because there's a guy who stands outside Wrigley Field named Ronnie Woo-Woo that he just woos all the time. That would be sick to have him out with you.
Yeah, yeah. Just wooing behind you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was the BMW, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the BMW. Yeah, it used to be that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 next time you guys are in Chicago, we got to get Ronnie Woo-Woo and your crew.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
So, how are you feeling about Augusta? What would be his success?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 right now, I mean, sky's the limit. I

Speaker 4 feel good.

Speaker 4 And I like the course. I've got the record for the front nine.
I just need the record for the back nine. And hopefully, we can put it all together.

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 i feel very good uh that's all i can say yeah that's good feeling to me by the way i should have congratulated you from the start on being technically a better golfer than uh or better career than jack nicholas because you've you've surpassed his career earnings so uh oh okay yeah that's that's great yeah congrats you that's got to feel good

Speaker 4 That feels good. That feels good.
I mean, yeah, to say that I'm a better golfer than Jack Nicholas, yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's in the, I don't know what your career earnings are going to be after you won on Sunday, but he earned 5.7 million in his career. That's pretty good.
That's a lot of money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think you have surpassed that officially. So congrats on that.
That's huge.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know what would be crazy would be inflated numbers what he earned. Yeah.
That would be. That would be a joke.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So our producer, Hank, is a big golf guy.
He spends, I think, 90% of his time golfing, 10% working. But he's a big fan of yours, as I think we all are.
And he's got a question for you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I was going to ask about the toasty thing, but I guess I'm curious. I was watching a video of some other pros talking about

Speaker 8 how much they visualize Augusta when they're practicing in the months leading up to it.

Speaker 8 Like, is that something you're doing on the range where you're thinking about specific holes and specific shots, or is it something you wait until like now to start doing?

Speaker 4 I think we have enough. This is every course.
I think we have enough time to practice on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday to hit the shots.

Speaker 4 But yes, usually we have like stats guys and guys that tell us, hey, the course suits this. So, you know,

Speaker 4 a lot of people, you know, kind of hurt their career because Augusta is

Speaker 4 kind of the draw course. I mean, yes, you can hit fades as fade winners, but

Speaker 4 you know, people that hit fades no matter what, you know, they change their swing a little bit to hit draws.

Speaker 4 So there's been a lot of stories about, you know, them trying to fit their swings to go to Augusta. but

Speaker 4 yeah you do a little bit you do a little bit I think last week was a pretty good

Speaker 4 like warm-up I think Rory and a lot of other people say that you know it's a good good warm-up for it and I wasn't really you know I just wanted to fit it in the schedule because I would have taken too much time off so it was a last minute thing really last last week and it was a very good decision so

Speaker 4 A bit of both. I think you have enough time.
Like, I'll go to Augusta on maybe Sunday and go out there and hit some shots.

Speaker 4 But we know, I mean, you've watch enough, you watch enough videos on YouTube and coverage to know what you have to do on the first, second, third. So, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Do you uh do you still get nervous? Like at Augusta when they announce your name on the first T-box. Do you get nervous?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 Yeah, of course. I mean,

Speaker 4 maybe not,

Speaker 4 maybe not, like, when you first get nervous, like out there, it's, you're like, shit, where is this ball going to go? But now it's probably, like,

Speaker 4 more of excitement nervous because you know

Speaker 4 you've done it now and then and you've done it a lot now in front of a big crowd. So you kind of

Speaker 4 know to

Speaker 4 go back to things, go back to swing thoughts and stuff like that. So

Speaker 4 yeah, you do get nervous. Yeah.
Augusta for me is kind of, you know, the first hole is a bit awkward. Like if you three wood might not get far enough, but drivers too far.

Speaker 4 So like it's kind of an in-between, in-between thing and you you got to stripe it or else you might be in trouble yeah yeah hank's kind of a dumb question yeah yep do you ever like hit up the pro shop like do you buy stuff from the pro shop

Speaker 8 oh man like any pro but even masters obviously but any other pro shop yeah

Speaker 4 yeah yeah so

Speaker 4 not many people probably know this so i mean if you know you know but uh augusta national uh if you go there like weeks before masters or months before the pro shop is filled with augusta national golf club stuff instead of Masters stuff.

Speaker 4 So, Masters Week, it's only Masters.

Speaker 4 So, it's cool to have some hats and shirts and stuff that have just Augusta National Golf Club because if you know, you know, that's when that you go there prior to the Masters.

Speaker 4 You can't get that during Masters Week. So,

Speaker 4 yes, heck yes. I, I, yes.
My whole, if you look at my house, there's a lot of Masters stuff. There's cups, there's, you know, the first couple years I didn't have a house, so I couldn't get all the

Speaker 4 cool stuff. But

Speaker 4 now that I have a house, I just bought you know a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff to put in the house, which is uh which is cool, which is what you want.

Speaker 7 Yeah, do you download the masters app?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, yeah, most of the time I watch every shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it's the best app in the world, isn't it?

Speaker 4 It's the greatest app, yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, every app every golf app should be like that, uh, but yeah, it's that's another that's another thing for us, like athlete, like athletes, golfers, that we want to see how we swing the golf club like we don't know you know like my swing on 16 at last week it wasn't really anything like the other ones what do you do different you know so i obviously swung up a little bit too hard way too hard and that's something that we want feedback from so every shot that we can see uh which is you know which is awesome at the masters you get to kind of uh

Speaker 4 either get good feedback or bad feedback.

Speaker 7 So it's a great app. So let's just say that you had not listened to your caddy on the eighth hole last week you would have hit that shot right you would have hit that so far

Speaker 4 on well the one on my knees yeah the one on your knees when you were trying to you were taking out different clubs seeing which one you saw yeah for sure i i think you know if you're playing with your buddies and like you're playing match play or something yeah you're gonna you're gonna hit it you're not gonna take a drop but in this situation it it's a big deal you know like if i miss hit it or i hit it back in if i hit it right into the trees and shank it like you're making double or triple and that's what you don't need need.

Speaker 4 And uh, to make it even to make a bogey there on such an easy hole, like that's that could have been the tournament right there.

Speaker 4 There was a lot of times when I was out there, I'm like, this swing is for the tournament, so don't F it up, you know?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. I mean, the scariest part when I was watching you set up for that shot, and I was like, Is he gonna hit this off his knees? The gallery that they had was in like a 10-yard alley for you.

Speaker 7 It's like this shot, if if a like a regular, you know, weekend golfer was out there hitting that, they would probably kill somebody.

Speaker 7 But I I think that even at like your stage, sometimes they cut it a little close with the gallery.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, for sure. I mean,

Speaker 4 yes, I probably would have told them to move if I end up hitting that shot.

Speaker 4 But yeah, you know, the crowd's keen and they want to look at, oh, they want to be as close as possible and have a front row seat. So,

Speaker 4 yeah, I mean,

Speaker 4 they probably don't expect it, but I mean, yeah, it could have happened. Something bad could happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I have one last question.
I think everyone else, Hank and PFT, might have a last question as well. My last question, Roback question.
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Speaker 1 Speaking of Augusta, what's your favorite hole?

Speaker 1 My favorite hole. I mean,

Speaker 4 16 is very special. 16 is cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Man, every hole is sick. Every hole is real.
I think nine is underrated because the green.

Speaker 4 11, it's tough. 11 is one of the toughest holes ever for anyone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think I'll say that.

Speaker 4 16 is special. It's a good hole.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a good hole.

Speaker 7 It's a great hole. The right answer is the next one.

Speaker 1 The what? The next one. The next one.
The next one.

Speaker 7 Just next one.

Speaker 1 Next hole mentality. Yeah.
Exactly. But 16.

Speaker 1 Every hole is important. Every hole is important.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every hole, every hole is important. All holes matter.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Eventually you got to put it into every hole.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 7 My last question isn't as much a question as just me saying, I think I'm going to bet on you at the Masters.

Speaker 7 I think I'm now in the Wu-Tang clan. I feel like I got to back you because you hit the ball a mile, which I love.
You got the mullet. You got the mustache.
You're Australian.

Speaker 7 You're checking a lot of boxes. So just know that.
No additional pressure, but I think I'm going to sprinkle some money on you on Augusta.

Speaker 4 All right. Well,

Speaker 4 I think I can't speak about that. But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 let's do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Do you have a last question, Hank?

Speaker 8 When you're changing something with your with your swing or your game, how much, how much is data? How much is feel?

Speaker 6 Uh, a lot of both.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 it's going to look somewhat where you want it, so that's the feel part. You obviously got to exaggerate it.
You know, if you're hitting a draw and you want to hit a cut, like you got to really

Speaker 4 slice it to, or let's do the opposite way. If you want to draw it and you're a slicer, you got to really drop it inside and draw it, you know.
So, what you feel, you're going to record your swing.

Speaker 4 You've got to record it, see, and your swing might not be there. So, you got to really, really feel it.
And then, yes, there's data.

Speaker 4 There's going to be times where if you have a track man or yeah, track man behind you and you're hitting trying to hit that shot and you're still over the top and hitting a minus you know club path which means a cut like that's yeah there's a big there's a big feel and uh data yeah there's i mean they both kind of go together yeah okay well men will thank you so much we appreciate it uh it was great having you on and best of luck in augusta Yes, thank you guys.

Speaker 4 Thanks for having me. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, congrats and look forward to you getting that that

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Speaker 4 You might get a message from me. Okay.

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Speaker 4 Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show. Hank,

Speaker 7 you got some FAQs?

Speaker 8 What prop/slash item shown behind Big Cat and PFT or any item in the studio has the most lore or backstory associated with it?

Speaker 1 I told everyone about the Dam Marino.

Speaker 8 Show the octopus.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Damarino's wedding photo.

Speaker 7 I've got

Speaker 7 a lighthouse here.

Speaker 1 The octopus

Speaker 1 was sent to us for the BVT, first episode, only episode. It is an octopus in formaldehyde that someone sent us, and we opened it up in a box on the first episode.

Speaker 8 That part of my take

Speaker 8 license plate

Speaker 8 was sent when we first moved to New York from a kid from Situate. Shout out to Andrew.

Speaker 8 But that has somehow survived the long haul.

Speaker 1 I like

Speaker 1 this. This

Speaker 1 picture from Tiger King is a very moment in time, chilling with chills. Our good friend painted this for us.
It's the dude on the jet ski.

Speaker 1 Doesn't really have any meaning. It's more like, oh, remember COVID? Yeah.

Speaker 7 We got

Speaker 7 wingnut sauce back here. Wingnut sauce.
Wingnuts, big part of part of my take, Laura.

Speaker 7 Jeff Fisher, caricature of Jeff Fisher. One of the OGs of part of my take.
Jeff. My DC Defenders jersey.

Speaker 1 We could clean this place up a little. I kind of like it.
Yeah. I wish we had better.

Speaker 1 This needs to be fixed. Every time we hit it.
I feel like they're not fastened correctly. Can we do that?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Hank, I'm trying to remember why I bought you that $500 cowhead.

Speaker 8 I want to bet. You know what that was?

Speaker 1 Arizona.

Speaker 8 It was Arizona. Something to do with the Southwest.

Speaker 7 Super Bowl? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Something to do with that.

Speaker 8 It was, yeah, you had to buy me $250 worth of Arizona. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Southwestern lure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I wanted it.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I hang that in my house, and then it got broken the blake borders jersey yeah the blake oh game ball from big dom big dom big part of the show big part of the show big dom

Speaker 1 and that's a real game ball not from joey o'connell no that's real that's from big dom

Speaker 8 really big joe yeah is there one result of a game you wish you could change for show purposes only

Speaker 8 see if you guys think this guy gave an example

Speaker 8 curious if you guys would think of it

Speaker 7 i you know what i i i wish Big Cat could have won the Hail Mary game.

Speaker 7 And I really wish that would have been so good for you.

Speaker 8 Or if it was just a single doink.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 Okay. I wish it was a triple doink.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess that would be the one.

Speaker 1 I wish it would have been worse. I think the Bears could have won the Super Bowl that year, honestly.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 8 This guy said UCF over Zion's Duke.

Speaker 1 I would have a five-year-old. Oh, I would have a five-year-old.
He's right.

Speaker 8 I would have a five-year-old person now named LeBron Lockwood.

Speaker 1 That's 100% right. I also, I'll say this.
I wish that, did you guys ever get to a game seven against the Sixers?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would have liked for the Sixers to beat the Celtics just to Max have one on that.

Speaker 1 That would have been nice. Also,

Speaker 1 the, what was it, two years ago? Was it the, was the overalls? That was the NLCS.

Speaker 1 I wanted Max in the World Series then, too.

Speaker 7 Remember, they were up. This is Diamondbacks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty much anything Max I want. I want him to win.
We just won.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah, he did.
You're going to the White House. I've rooted for my guy, Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have liked the Jets to win one more game in that stretch this year to have memes just strung along a little bit more.

Speaker 8 Bills winning that the 11th second overtime.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 8 That would have been great.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If the Jaguars had beaten the Patriots in the AFC championship game, Blake Bortles goes to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Blake Bortles in the Super Bowl would have been scenes.

Speaker 1 The Cat 1-0 is the winner. That's absolutely the winner.
Good call.

Speaker 8 What's up, Big Cat, Petite PFT, Horny Hank, and Mad Max? Are there any non-athlete guests that you all have been wanting to interview but haven't been able to?

Speaker 7 Any of the guys from Blink 182?

Speaker 1 Glenn McClintock. Or the what's the guy

Speaker 1 in White Lotus? Oh, Walter Goggins.

Speaker 1 That guy. Yeah.
He's

Speaker 1 awesome. Oh, Shalomay's a great call.

Speaker 8 Matt. Shalomay.
Way to opt back in. Goggins,

Speaker 8 Danny McBride.

Speaker 1 Danny McBride, great call.

Speaker 8 Because you get Goggins in. He's in that show, too.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Danny McBride, great call.

Speaker 7 Miley.

Speaker 1 Will Farrell would be fun.

Speaker 8 Will Farrell would be fun.

Speaker 1 Vince Vaughn would be fun in person.

Speaker 8 Owen Wilson. Ben Stiller.

Speaker 8 Ben Stiller.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what a G.

Speaker 8 Let's get him on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Severance.

Speaker 8 All right, last one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Which PMT guest,

Speaker 8 I know the answer to this, I think. Which PMT guest has had the best career after being on PMT? Oh, actually, no, never mind.
I take mine back mentally.

Speaker 1 I mean, Josh Allen has to be up at the top because he came on PMT before he even got drafted. Yep.

Speaker 8 Yellich.

Speaker 1 He was already pretty big, though. But he, I mean, he blossomed.
Brooks won a couple majors after.

Speaker 8 He had won one.

Speaker 1 He had won one and won four more. Yeah, four more is pretty high.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's pretty damn good. Jimmy Tatro.
We remind him of the ball.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jimmy Tetro literally, like, we made made his career. Yeah.
His entire career.

Speaker 8 He didn't, it wasn't when he was on, but I always laugh at the

Speaker 8 49ers hotel

Speaker 1 George Kittle. Yeah.
Yeah. When, when, when McGlinchy and

Speaker 1 Joe Staley were like, hey, we got this rookie who loves you guys and listens to every episode. Can you take a picture with him? We're like, yeah, Kittle.

Speaker 1 Like, fucking best tight end. And the man.

Speaker 7 I mean, the answer might be, well, I guess he's not a guest, but Charlie Woods.

Speaker 1 Charlie Woods, future guest.

Speaker 1 That's a good question, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I think it's Josh Allen, Brooks,

Speaker 1 Kittle, and Kittle.

Speaker 1 I think those are the top of the line

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 those all were very early that we had them on, and they've had very good careers.

Speaker 7 Ryan Whitney. Ryan Whitney was a nobody.
That's the first time. And then he came for my take, and now he's got a world-class podcast and a line of liquor.

Speaker 8 Now that I'm obsessed with golf, it's all I think about. It's all I watch.
It's all I consume. It's all basically my entire life.

Speaker 8 I laugh thinking about those Brooks interviews and how little I like.

Speaker 8 We were just like, yeah, we got Brooks kept going. I was like, who?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then, you know, at that time, I was just setting up and recording the interviews. And I was just like, yep, another interview.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 1 Pretty good.

Speaker 8 And now I go back and watch.

Speaker 8 Like, I've watched, you know, 2018, Brooks, Final Round, Chinocock, like 2018.

Speaker 7 You're one of those sickos that watches two hours?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Helps her go to sleep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jack Golke.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's in the G-League.

Speaker 7 What's he doing?

Speaker 1 I think he's on the Detroit G-League. Crusoe.
Crusoe. Great guy, but he's always been good at basketball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 I think that's a good question, though. Max, do you have anything? I don't think more about it.

Speaker 1 Any guys? You got anyone? Anyone, Max?

Speaker 1 No one. No one, Max.

Speaker 1 Schwarber. Yeah, Schwerber.
Schwerber, we had Schwerber on before

Speaker 1 the Cubs World Series. That was 2016.

Speaker 7 No, no, no, no, it was after he tours ACL.

Speaker 1 You're right, you're right. It was right after.
So

Speaker 1 that doesn't count as much.

Speaker 1 That's a good question, though.

Speaker 1 I'll have to think about that. This is one of those questions that I'll think about at midnight tonight.
Like, oh, shit, we missed an obvious one.

Speaker 1 Someone we had on when they were super early on and then went on to do great things.

Speaker 7 Jaden. We had him on before he won the Heisman.

Speaker 1 That's true. That is true.
Jaden is. Although, no, he won the Heisman.
I think he did it with the Heisman.

Speaker 7 Oh, he did? Yeah. Okay, so right after.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, because I was thinking Joe Burrow was like, he literally won a Heisman in a national championship. So it's kind of...
Are you doing it?

Speaker 1 Pug,

Speaker 1 you might have to edit a little tonight. No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was listening in. I couldn't tell.
Yeah. Well, no, you don't have to edit.
You just have to put it like there's no edits needed. It's just you're going to have to put it out.

Speaker 7 You're going to have to make sure that nobody else sneaks in and edits.

Speaker 1 That's fine. I'll do my best.
Okay.

Speaker 7 I had the real answer to that question, but it might be Hank. Oh, he was on episode one of Part of My Take, half asleep.
Now he's about to date Sidney Sweeney. That's true.
Retire at 40.

Speaker 1 He's basically the next impractical joker with what he did to Max today. Yeah.
I didn't do anything. I was rooting for Max.

Speaker 8 You're the next.

Speaker 1 I was bewildered, stunned.

Speaker 8 I texted me.

Speaker 1 I texted me.

Speaker 8 It was like, there's no way this is happening, right? Like, I thought Max was in on it.

Speaker 1 All right. Numbers.

Speaker 1 Three.

Speaker 7 61.

Speaker 8 One.

Speaker 7 Keep getting me fixing the camera.

Speaker 1 I'll do 15. 15.
Also, Patrick Mahomes, you guys interviewed him before he. Oh, yeah.
Before he won a Super Bowl. Good call.
You got him on the loss. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's true. Max, number.

Speaker 1 You can't. Come on, dude.

Speaker 8 Did he win his first Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, he lost to Brady.
Yeah. Max, you got to do a number.
Come on.

Speaker 1 We all love you.

Speaker 1 What number? Yeah, what number?

Speaker 1 Max has been lowering his headphones so he couldn't hear. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I didn't have headphones on. What number, Max?

Speaker 1 Memes can have my number today. It's going to be.
No, that's

Speaker 1 not.

Speaker 1 That's not official. Memes gets my number.
Memes was in on it. Memes heard.
No, but Jerry O'Connell, he heard the call. No, memes.

Speaker 1 I don't talk. I don't talk.
But memes was being nice, and he was saying that April Fool's jokes are lame all day, and he agrees, still agrees that this was lame. Wait, you still think it's lame? Yep.

Speaker 1 That was a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 99. I was just giving you my fucking number, dude.

Speaker 1 I was just giving you my number. All right, Max, guess your own number.

Speaker 1 78. 78.
I took 78. Good.
I hope you can take it. I don't want a number anymore.
Did you actually have 78? Nah, just kidding.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. You got him again.

Speaker 1 99, Poke.

Speaker 1 Shane? Jack? 44.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 All right. Memes, you had 15, right? Yeah.
Would you have PFT?

Speaker 7 61.

Speaker 1 I have three.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 8 One.

Speaker 1 Max has 78.

Speaker 1 Memes has 78. Max has 78.
Two numbers.

Speaker 1 97.

Speaker 7 97. You want to do one more?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll do one more. Let's do one more.
Everyone say your numbers. Memes, you want it? Two.

Speaker 1 Two. Good.
Memes, what I'll take 15. Memes, what's the second number you want?

Speaker 1 44.

Speaker 7 44.

Speaker 1 That's not memes' number. That's your number, Max.

Speaker 1 Max, I'll make a deal with you. If you get the number right now, you can edit the podcast.
However, you want. Nope.
I don't even want the deal. I don't want the deal.

Speaker 1 I don't want you to have the satisfaction of the deal.

Speaker 1 He's smart. He's learning.
Good deal. He's learning.
He's learning.

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 1 28. All right.
I have 15. Memes has three.

Speaker 7 61.

Speaker 1 What do you have, Hank?

Speaker 1 Two.

Speaker 1 92.

Speaker 7 Love you guys.