NBA Playoffs With Brian Windhorst, Actor Josh Duhamel, The Bulls Lost Twice In The Play In, Lee Corso Retires Plus Fyre Fest

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a two-fer for the people. We have Brian Windhorse getting ready for all the game ones this weekend in the NBA playoffs.

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Great chat with him. We're going to talk NBA playoffs.
We're going to talk the play-in games.

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Speaker 1 Lee Corso is retiring, and we're going to finish off with Fire Fest of the week, sending you into the weekend.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, April 18th,

Speaker 1 and both Bulls teams lost in the play-in games on Wednesday night. The Bulls, the regular Bulls, and the West Coast Bulls.

Speaker 10 The West Coast Bulls.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 1 To further cement how stupid the Bulls are as an organization.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was basically, let's watch the real Bulls play, lose by a lot at home, and then let's watch the core that was built around Zach Levine and DeMar DeRosan play out West, lose by a shitload at home.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so now Dallas advances to play against Memphis. Yep, and I want Dallas in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 I do too. I really do.

Speaker 10 I think that'd be fun. Clay Thompson avenged last year's.

Speaker 10 He went 0 for 10. Yeah.
I believe last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember. I bet it.
I was like, Clay Thompson is a big game player. He's not going to go out like this.

Speaker 10 0 for 10. He went out like that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he went out like that.

Speaker 10 But he's back like that now.

Speaker 5 Also,

Speaker 1 the Kings,

Speaker 1 they're kind of lost in space. No idea what's going to happen with them.

Speaker 1 I feel like a couple of years ago, we had to light the beam. Everyone was pumped about the Kings.

Speaker 1 They did something on Wednesday night that you can't do if you're going to lose at home by, I think they ended up losing by like 16, but they were down by 23 and a half.

Speaker 11 Did you see the player introductions?

Speaker 1 They played the My Little Pony theme song for the Mavs, which is very funny, but you can't do it then lose.

Speaker 7 You can't.

Speaker 10 You can't. You cannot do that.
You cannot. At least they brought back the gun emoji.
So if you do beat the Mavs, you can shoot the horse. That's true.
So that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anthony Davis was awesome.

Speaker 1 In the regular Bulls game, Tyler Hero was awesome.

Speaker 1 Can I see red for a minute?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was going to say, welcome to the lottery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited to be in the lottery. Let's sim won.
All right. Because

Speaker 1 you guys, like, this was a situation where you guys have been playing the lottery game. Now someone has jumped into the game

Speaker 6 with a 1.2% chance, which I think will go up if

Speaker 1 Dallas makes the playoffs or Miami makes the playoffs. So I'm rooting for that.

Speaker 1 We might get all the way up to like 2%.

Speaker 10 That's huge.

Speaker 1 And that would be quite something if I somehow pulled off the lottery win in your guy's face.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so Max has already disavowed and denied taking Cooper Flag if they get the first overall pick. Big Ken, I don't think that you did, do you? I do not.
So you're still in.

Speaker 1 I said I wanted him.

Speaker 10 He's still in on Cooper Flag.

Speaker 1 Yeah, even though he is a choker.

Speaker 10 That's fine.

Speaker 1 By the way, did you guys see Texas Twitter has found our list of not win the big one guys?

Speaker 10 Oh, I didn't see that.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 are they happy about it?

Speaker 1 They were not happy about the Arch Manning. They kept on saying he's only played two games and he won both games.

Speaker 10 I'm just saying, that was a future call.

Speaker 1 And I also was like, so you're saying he's not good enough to start? Sounds like

Speaker 1 how are you going to win the big one from the bench?

Speaker 10 Let me ask you this, Big Cat. In the playoffs, when you had a must-score situation against the Ohio State University, was he on the field? No.

Speaker 5 On the bench. All right, Sim it.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Washington, let's see. All right.
Do one more.

Speaker 1 We're just going to keep saying Simmon. Utah, boo.

Speaker 5 Boo.

Speaker 1 Okay, one more.

Speaker 5 New Orleans, boo.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 Next one wins.

Speaker 1 Next one wins.

Speaker 12 Well, I already won.

Speaker 13 Okay, do it again.

Speaker 5 New Orleans again, boo.

Speaker 5 Portland, boo.

Speaker 5 San Antonio, boo. Double boo.
Boo. Charlotte, boo.
Who cares? You talk, boo. Stop.
This sucks. Washington.

Speaker 10 Oh, you won. Double win.
You won.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let me see red for a second, though.

Speaker 1 Because I actually,

Speaker 1 for the first time in a while, I did not fall for Jerry Reinsdorf and Michael Reinsdorf's tricks

Speaker 1 and aka the front office, a bunch of fucking morons.

Speaker 1 I didn't fall for it this year, and I'm happy I didn't fall for it because I I didn't let myself fall for the tricks that they pull every single year. PFT, I got some stats I went through.

Speaker 1 The Bulls' winning percentage this year was 47%. They were a 47% winning percentage team.
They finished 39 and 43. Not great.

Speaker 5 Below 500 at home. Below 500 at home.

Speaker 1 So that's not a good team. That's not a team that is building anything.
But guess what the trick is?

Speaker 1 Like every year, from the last day in February to the end of the season, the Bulls went 16 and seven. Holy shit.
It's a great march. They're doing it.

Speaker 6 70% winning percentage.

Speaker 5 The Bulls marching.

Speaker 1 If you take out

Speaker 1 the wins against all the teams that were actively tanking, your Washingtons, your Phillies, your Brooklyns.

Speaker 1 And then you take out the two wins against teams where they were sitting their star player, the Denver Nuggets with Jokic and the Pacers with Halliburton.

Speaker 1 The Bulls' winning percentage from February 28th to the end of the year, What was it? 43%. 46%.
Okay. They were the same team the whole time.
And to pretend that it's anything different is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 March and April, NBA basketball does not matter. And the argument would be, well, they got some young guys and it's different than the last couple of years, which I would agree.

Speaker 1 Boozlis looks awesome and I'm excited about that draft pick. They also have a guy named Josh Giddy, who they're going to probably pay $35 million to, which would be a very big mistake.

Speaker 10 What do you think about the trade? The trade? Like in retrospect,

Speaker 6 they should have gotten picks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They should have gotten picks.

Speaker 10 I had Giddy over 17 and a half last night that cashed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was not the problem.

Speaker 6 Kobe White, I think, was like five for 20.

Speaker 1 He should also be traded because you have one more year of him.

Speaker 1 But what the Bulls are going to do is they're going to say, well, we went 70% down the stretch. And we have Josh Giddy who's about to get paid.

Speaker 15 We have Boozlus.

Speaker 1 We have Kobe White. Let's build around this young

Speaker 1 Nucleus. And what they're going to do is they're going to sign Josh Giddy to $30, $35 million a year.

Speaker 6 And Josh Giddy is just good enough to get you in the playing game and not the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And Josh Giddy, so I already pointed out that the last month and a half should not really be counted, but the Bulls obviously count it and they look at it and like we're building something.

Speaker 1 Josh Giddy, the first four months of the year, averaged 12 and a half, six and a half, and seven and a half. That's obviously points, rebounds, and assists, or sorry, points, assists, rebounds.

Speaker 1 I should have done the other way.

Speaker 10 Question: Is he getting more minutes in Chicago?

Speaker 1 He's getting more minutes. A lot more usage.
Turns out when you are on a good team and you don't play, that's probably because you're not as good as the good team player.

Speaker 10 He was also like a redundant player on that good team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So again, first four months, 12.5, 7.5, 6.5, points, rebounds, assists.
The last two months, which I've already established shouldn't count and is you're playing against teams that don't matter.

Speaker 6 He almost averaged a triple-double 20, 10, and nine and a half.

Speaker 2 And they're going to fucking pay him for that.

Speaker 10 Would you rather he not have almost averaged a triple-double?

Speaker 5 I would have rather them take it.

Speaker 10 When I think about it, I think Jokic, Westbrook,

Speaker 10 was it Moses Malone or Oscar Robertson? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's, they're doing the same thing yet again. Josh Giddy will be just a younger Zach Levine where you just pay a guy a ton of money because you're like, well, what are the other options?

Speaker 1 And Zach Levine, who is a good basketball player on paper, but a losing basketball paper or basketball player in reality, is exactly what the Bulls love to have because it keeps you competitive enough to get into the play-in game, not in the playoffs or compete for anything.

Speaker 1 This is the third year in a row they've been in the play-in game. They have not made it to the playoffs.
They do not know how to tank.

Speaker 6 They do not know how to win.

Speaker 1 We are now a decade since the Bulls last won a playoff series. We're 11 years since since the Bulls last won a home playoff game, which I was at.

Speaker 6 It was a Derrick Rose buzzer beater.

Speaker 1 This franchise is a joke and it should be called out as a joke and stop pretending that March and April basketball mean something

Speaker 1 and actually pick a lane and go for it and be like, hey, we're going to be bad for a little bit.

Speaker 6 Because if they came in front of the fan base and said, we're going to suck for the next three or four years, but we're going to have a shot at a couple, one or two or three picks, people would be like, okay, let's do it.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's way better to do that. Yeah.
Like having a plan, having a plan to do that is what every bad team should do.

Speaker 10 And they're not, you're not going to get good in the NBA unless, one, you're a destination city where you feel confident that you can attract an already cemented superstar to want to go to your city, or two, you're just really shitty and you get the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 10 Correct. Or I guess you could also hit on somebody in the draft later on, but that's so hard to do in the NBA.

Speaker 17 And the original.

Speaker 18 And you just make trades and get picks that

Speaker 18 eventually end up as lottery picks.

Speaker 1 They finally do do own all their picks again, which they had to trade to get one of their picks back. But

Speaker 1 what you guys said is exactly correct. The opposite plan that you should do is paying guys that are decently average basketball players $30 plus million dollars to win 39 games a year.

Speaker 10 Right, that's the worst.

Speaker 1 Which is what they've done, which I loved last night because it was like the front office, it was an indictment on the front office in two separate play-in games.

Speaker 1 It was the Bulls, and then it was, oh, yeah, the last iteration of the Bulls was Zach Levine and DeMar DeRose, and you fucked up twice.

Speaker 10 Let me just say this, Biquette. If I don't win the draft lottery, and I very much hope that I do, I hope you win it.
Thank you. I hope Chicago gets it.

Speaker 2 If I don't win it, I hope you win it.

Speaker 10 Thank you. I appreciate that.
That'd be great.

Speaker 20 And I'm probably not going to win it.

Speaker 10 That'd be great to have Cooper Flag in Chicago.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 10 If I can't have him in D.C., it would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I was frustrated.

Speaker 1 Again, I was happy that I didn't fall for it because usually like when a team finishes season 6 and 7, you're like, oh my God. And they're younger than they have been in the past.

Speaker 1 But it's all the same. And Jerry Reinsdorf and Michael Reinsorf are scumbags.
And all they care about is selling out the United Center, which sells out.

Speaker 1 It's lead the league in attendance every single year.

Speaker 6 And it's just, it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 They have no plan and they have no path forward. And they're just going to stay in this middle ground forever and try to sell everyone on a...

Speaker 1 a really good March in April where they finish strong and lost in the playing.

Speaker 1 Being in the playing game three years in a row and not making to the playoffs, that should like, there should be a punishment. I don't know what it should be, but there should be a punishment.

Speaker 10 Banned from future play-in tournaments.

Speaker 1 Like the Hawks being in their fourth straight play-in game, like there should be some type of punishment for fucking up so bad that you just end up in the same spot every year.

Speaker 10 But I think it's worse for the Hawks. And here's why.
With the Hawks, you have a guy that you, in theory, could build around and make a good team around, right? I think.

Speaker 10 I think that Trey Young is good enough where you can get to that next level, which is maybe being like a four-seed or a five-seed if you put the right pieces around him.

Speaker 10 The Bulls, you don't have that.

Speaker 10 You got to go scorched earth at this point.

Speaker 6 No, they're going to pay Josh Giddy.

Speaker 1 And again, it's not really like Josh Giddy's fine. He could be your third or fourth best player, but they're going to pay him way too much money.
And they're going to be like, well, he's 22 years old.

Speaker 7 He's going to get way better.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 And you're going to be in the same spot. He's like, the ceiling is going to be the eighth seed play-in game.
So you get two home play-in games. So, yeah, that was my C-Red.

Speaker 1 Hank was trying to say that we could beat the Cavs a week ago.

Speaker 5 What did I say? Well, you guys are so hot.

Speaker 18 You guys are trending so hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you fell for it. You fell for it.

Speaker 17 Also,

Speaker 18 into existence.

Speaker 1 We've done this before, but the halftime lead for the Heat was 71.47, and that is pretty much the largest 24-point deficit you can have.

Speaker 10 Yeah, because you rarely see it with those numbers that high.

Speaker 1 It feels like 30.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and people were asking me what the smallest was, and I said in basketball, I feel like it's like 59.35 because you can get on a little quick run.

Speaker 1 And like, if you go a 7-0 run, 59.42, you're in that game.

Speaker 10 Yeah. So it was a 24-point lead.

Speaker 5 44-point lead.

Speaker 18 36-12, too, because it's so early.

Speaker 10 Yeah, 36-12 is a good one. I would even say 30s.

Speaker 18 Like 36-12 in the NBA means nothing. Nothing.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Nothing.

Speaker 20 But 71-47 is like, what the hell is happening right now?

Speaker 1 You're not even at 50, and they're in the 70s.

Speaker 10 If you can jump over multiple digits of 10, that's when it appears so much larger. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, uh, yeah, and it was very funny because the Mavs were up 71.48.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Which

Speaker 5 just idiots.

Speaker 10 I hate the play-in tournament.

Speaker 13 I hate it.

Speaker 10 It's, it's, it's stupid because the very best thing you can hope for is that you get a great game, and then the fans are like, we wish that we had more of this matchup teams matchup so well.

Speaker 10 At worst is what we saw last night, which is just uninteresting, boring, depressing basketball. And nobody wants to watch that.
No.

Speaker 10 Although the one good thing, I'll say this: watching the play-in tournament right after

Speaker 10 March Madness is kind of cool because for a while, you forget what good basketball looks like.

Speaker 10 And you just get amazed at the shots that are going. Shots go in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the play-in tournament, I can't, I hate it so much.

Speaker 1 And I hate it, obviously, personally, just because it was made specifically for owners like Jerry Reinsdorf to be like, hey, we made the play-in tournament.

Speaker 1 But I just, how could you, if you told someone there's a league with 30 teams, 15 in each conference, and 10 out of 15 make the postseason, it's so stupid. You play 82 games.

Speaker 10 Yeah, wasn't the play-in tournament designed because they wanted to make sure that Zion Williamson could get in it for ratings? I think so. I think that's when they did it, yeah.

Speaker 1 And like, I guess you could obviously, the heat fucked it up for everyone. The heat going to the finals from a play-in tournament fucked it up for everyone.

Speaker 10 But that was also, was that Mickey Mouse?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 11 that was the year, what, two years ago?

Speaker 1 Were they a play-in team then?

Speaker 10 They must have been because they were the eighth seed, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 11 You guys were the one seed? Yeah.

Speaker 22 Was that first round?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 But I'm just saying a team that goes from the play-in to the finals, people are like, look, see, that team could get hot.

Speaker 5 But no, you're right. That's not the

Speaker 10 argument. If a nine or a ten team that would be left out, if they actually advance it.

Speaker 1 The seven and the eight are in the playoffs. They should be in the playoffs.
So, so stupid.

Speaker 1 Okay, so.

Speaker 1 Speaking of that, we have two more play-in games.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 Awesome.

Speaker 10 I'm actually

Speaker 10 looking forward to the Grizzlies Mavericks game a little bit.

Speaker 1 I am. That's the thing is the actual games, I'm not going to argue, can be fun.
The Grizzlies Warriors game was fun. So it's like, once we get to, if they're going to force it, I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to enjoy it.

Speaker 6 But if you asked me, would I like it, I'd say no.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Miami, Atlanta, I think this is where heat culture takes over. I feel like heat culture gets the nod.
Kevin Love, one last rodeo.

Speaker 5 He's not playing.

Speaker 10 Damn it.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 He's still on the team.

Speaker 5 Tyler Hero, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do it. Let's do a first basket.

Speaker 3 What are we doing, Max?

Speaker 1 First basket?

Speaker 6 We all got to pick a first basket.

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Speaker 1 These are for Friday's games.

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Speaker 6 Okay, so we're doing a contest between all four of us.

Speaker 1 Max, are you in this? Yes.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Every single week, we're going to do, everyone's going to pick a first basket scorer, and then the winner gets a bonus bet. So So we're going to give him out.

Speaker 14 I'm going to do Anthony Davis, first basket scorer.

Speaker 13 Plus 500.

Speaker 5 Okay. Love it.

Speaker 18 I'm taking Desmond Bain plus 750.

Speaker 10 Okay, juicy. I'm going

Speaker 10 John Morant plus 550.

Speaker 18 All eyes on this game.

Speaker 17 And I'm going to go Zach Eady plus 750.

Speaker 5 Wait, we're all doing that game.

Speaker 1 Let's get nuts.

Speaker 10 Somebody's got to win. Love it.

Speaker 1 Let's get nuts. I think the Mavs might win.
I agree with you, PFT. I want the Mavs in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Just for the fans.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see the story of the pastor in South Africa?

Speaker 10 Yes, South Africa. So good.

Speaker 1 He was kidnapped, gunpoint, and he was saved.

Speaker 1 And they talked to him on the phone, and I think they told him, hey, try to talk about light-hearted stuff.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 1 one of his friends brought up the Nico NIL stuff, and he was like, bullshit about it.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 After being kidnapped in South Africa.

Speaker 10 He was very upset about it. And then at the end of the the interview, the pastor that was on the phone with him held up his copy of the Bible that he keeps in his office.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 And it's an orange Bible with the power T on it.

Speaker 5 That's so awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. He

Speaker 1 after being safely rescued, Sullivan was taken to see his family. He then began touching base with some back in East Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Pastor Tom Hatley said one of the first things he heard from those in South Africa was he was upset over Nico.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 He's like, send me back.

Speaker 5 That's a football guy.

Speaker 10 Let those guys take me. I don't want to come back.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Also, Nico got, I think, 1.5 mil.

Speaker 5 Oh, good deal.

Speaker 10 Well, the nice thing is that the cost of living in California is much less than in Tennessee. Yeah.

Speaker 10 So he actually ended up losing, I'm going to guess like 80% of his earning power when you take into account the cost of living in L.A.

Speaker 10 and the state income tax in California as opposed to Tennessee, which doesn't have any. So the art of the deal.
Yeah. By Nico's dad.

Speaker 1 I also heard that his dad was saying that the Tennessee offense like put handcuffs on him. And it's like,

Speaker 1 it's the hot dog, we're all trying to find the guy who did it. Maybe it was the inaccurate quarterback, yeah.

Speaker 10 That's the best place, yeah. That's the best place he could possibly be, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying, like, he, he, he had to have handcuffs because he couldn't throw.

Speaker 5 Yes, like, that was

Speaker 5 also true.

Speaker 1 Like, it wasn't the offense, it was that they were like, hey, this guy can't throw to open receivers, we're gonna have to change the offense.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so I know that Tennessee fans are pumped about it because they're like, huh, you got less money, and you're going to a school that's not going to be nearly as good for you as we were.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and they're going to get killed in the Big Ten.

Speaker 15 Probably, yeah.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I keep forgetting that UCLA is in the Big Ten. They are.
Still makes no sense.

Speaker 24 Lee Corso, retiring.

Speaker 1 So first week of game day, legend of the game.

Speaker 2 Sad.

Speaker 10 He's all in for week one.

Speaker 12 All in for week one.

Speaker 10 He's got a big summer to prep for Ohio State, Texas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I guess.

Speaker 18 We waterwork City on that first week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they wanted to do it where he did

Speaker 1 the first ever mascot that he put on was Brutus. And so they wanted to maybe bookend it.

Speaker 1 I still think

Speaker 1 they should have given him like a late October, early November game.

Speaker 10 Ideally, that would be nice.

Speaker 1 Because like August 1st, or the first week, the last week of August, but week one, it's football, but it's also like that weird, everyone's still on summer vacation.

Speaker 1 Like football's on, I'm watching, but like...

Speaker 1 It just doesn't feel like game day. It doesn't feel like Corsair.

Speaker 10 You know what? It should have been week two. That's when usually some of the power schools schedule the cupcakes.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, week one is is going to be.

Speaker 10 Yeah, week one, it's like a celebration that college football is back. So we're all super pumped about that.

Speaker 10 Week two, we look at the slate and we're like, oh shit, this isn't nearly as good as week one. Week two could have just been a big celebration of Lee Corso.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He probably

Speaker 6 maybe should have retired a couple years ago, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 I love Lee.

Speaker 1 Whenever he wants, yeah.

Speaker 11 Like, that's one of those guys that he's, he's in that Dickie V camp.

Speaker 1 The Fanta, Dickie V, Lee Corso, the guys that are basically holding up a sport with just genuine enthusiasm for that sport, that's what I think a lot of people got drawn to first. And

Speaker 6 then they get cynical as the years go on.

Speaker 10 And I always loved when Kirk Herbstreet would just support him on the stage. It actually made Kirk way more likable to the average viewer, too.
So, yeah, it's going to be different.

Speaker 10 I don't know if they're going to fill the chair with somebody else or just move on because they've got a pretty good team. So I don't know, but you can't really fill Lee Corso's shoes.
No.

Speaker 10 It's not going to be the same if Nick Sabin is putting on mascot headgear.

Speaker 20 No, definitely not.

Speaker 25 I don't think he would.

Speaker 6 They should do the headgear on Kirk's dogs.

Speaker 10 That would be awesome. That would be sick.
I would love to see that.

Speaker 1 But yeah, legend of the game. And yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's ever said anything bad about Lee Corso.

Speaker 10 No, he's not. What is the

Speaker 1 only criticism would be maybe he should have retired a few years ago, but guess what? Everyone should be as lucky to be able to do it as long as he has done it

Speaker 1 and be able to just keep having fun. So I love Lee Corso.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's the best. You can't say anything bad about him.

Speaker 1 Memes, did you have something bad to say about him?

Speaker 23 No, I love Lee Corsa.

Speaker 5 Okay. Hey, did you have something bad to say about him? No.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Max, you want to say something bad about him?

Speaker 1 Now's the time.

Speaker 17 Do you want me to say something bad about him?

Speaker 11 If you have something bad in your head, say it.

Speaker 10 What the internet needs is for somebody to get mad about and take out all of our, because right now we feel sad. Right.
And as men, that makes us feel vulnerable.

Speaker 10 So we have anger that we would like to release. So if you say something bad, then we can just hate you.

Speaker 18 He called that little kid a midget.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that was messed up.

Speaker 5 Play that clip. That was a great clip.

Speaker 1 That wasn't messed up.

Speaker 10 That was awesome. Was that when I was on College Game Day?

Speaker 1 That was, that was, that was Corso at his finest.

Speaker 10 Was that about me? I'm 5'8, Lee.

Speaker 5 I love it.

Speaker 1 If you're listening and not watching, it's a little kid. It's like a five-year-old kid on the desk with him.

Speaker 5 Ice. Yo, booze.

Speaker 16 Not so fast, Midget.

Speaker 5 Yeah, little guy. Hey, that's a little bit.
That's a five-year-old. Yeah.
Oh, that's great. Hank, you have something bad?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 18 I mean, if you you want a quote card to, you know, get to get the internet stirring,

Speaker 18 good riddance.

Speaker 5 Oh!

Speaker 5 Good riddance. Do you want to do that?

Speaker 17 Memes says no. Memes says no.
He's not going to be a bad person.

Speaker 5 You don't want that smoke.

Speaker 1 You don't want that smoke.

Speaker 1 College football fans would be.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 now I think we got to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now we got to do it.

Speaker 17 Memes. But then it's going to look like our entire show is saying this.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 14 How about

Speaker 14 ask for it?

Speaker 5 How about make memes name even bigger than the quote?

Speaker 10 How about you include this? Hank, that's messed up. Yeah.
Shash PFT.

Speaker 1 Hank, and then to include mine.

Speaker 7 Hank, you're wrong.

Speaker 6 We all love Lee Corso.

Speaker 17 Sounds good to me.

Speaker 10 That quote card is going to bang.

Speaker 5 That's going to do numbies.

Speaker 1 Maybe also just put out another one saying Arch Manning can't win the big one.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Just lock it up.
Just throw it out there.

Speaker 10 Arch Manning, the world's biggest choke artist.

Speaker 10 These are all good.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Aaron Rodgers, he showed up again.

Speaker 10 It was an illuminating interview.

Speaker 1 Did you watch it? He went on McAfee. I did not, so can you give me the rundown? Yeah, I've not.

Speaker 18 I thought he was banned from McAfee.

Speaker 1 If he was still on the Jets.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but he's not on the Jets anymore. I thought it was illuminating.

Speaker 10 I thought that I've never heard one person say as many words without saying anything at all as I heard Aaron Rodgers say on Pat McAfee today. I think it was probably...

Speaker 10 20 minutes of Aaron just kind of saying, I'm up for anything, down for whatever. So there's absolutely no news news that came out of it.

Speaker 10 It does sound like he's dealing with a personal issue. They kept going back to that.

Speaker 10 So if it is something serious that he's dealing with like family or friends, then obviously he's doing the right thing by taking that time before moving on with his professional career.

Speaker 10 But it just sounded like he was

Speaker 10 just waiting.

Speaker 10 He's waiting for the universe to speak to him. I think he's waiting for like a dog to walk down the street and talk to him.
And then that will be his sign that it's time to join the Steelers.

Speaker 1 So he's waiting for the universe to talk to him. Is he also maybe waiting for the draft to happen?

Speaker 10 I don't know. Why would you wait for the draft to happen?

Speaker 1 Because if the Steelers maybe extend overextend themselves and get Shaduar Sanders, he's like, why would I go to the Steelers?

Speaker 18 Yeah, but if they got Rodgers before the draft, wouldn't they then not

Speaker 5 Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 1 Well, I think that's why.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's why Rodgers is waiting because he doesn't want to have a Kirk Cousins situation where he signs somewhere, they draft someone, and then they're like, oh, yeah, it's your job, maybe.

Speaker 10 Is he going to also feel like that?

Speaker 18 I think that's something you can talk about in negotiations. Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 10 Is he fucking over Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 18 Did they specifically state that, though?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's happened. I mean, Mike Glennon,

Speaker 5 he was promised a starting job by the Bears.

Speaker 10 Also, Aaron Rodgers is 41, right? So even if he went to the Steelers, it would be reasonable, I think, for them to draft a quarterback. Right.

Speaker 14 But,

Speaker 1 I mean, I understand. I just think he's probably waiting for the draft because he just doesn't want to be in a situation where...

Speaker 10 But do you actually think that the longer he waits out, the worse the situation becomes for Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 10 Because obviously there are teams that would be interested in Aaron Rodgers that might also be interested in trading for Kirk.

Speaker 1 I think they're also waiting for the draft. Okay.

Speaker 6 Because Kirk Cousins doesn't want to have it happen again to him.

Speaker 10 Because it'd be very funny. That's a good point.
But it'd be very funny if Aaron Rodgers was doing this just to stick it to Kirk.

Speaker 1 That would be funny. But yeah, like Kirk Cousins, if he went to the Giants right now and then the Giants drafted Shador Sanders, he's just sideshow Bob stepping into a rake.

Speaker 10 That would also be funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I feel like all this is going to get settled right after the draft.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but he didn't say anything. Actually, I take that back.
He did say something very interesting. He just spent like five minutes dumping on the Jets.
Oh.

Speaker 10 Just like going scorched earth on the Jets. He said that he flew out on his own dime to meet with the Jets' new front office.
Okay.

Speaker 10 And Aaron Glenn met with him for like 20 seconds, ran out of the room, got the GM, brought the GM back in there and told him, we're moving in a different direction without you. Whoa.

Speaker 10 So that's what he says happens. Memes, do you believe that?

Speaker 10 I believe that it was over-exaggerated.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 5 What part? I believe that Aaron Rodgers has a sense of time.

Speaker 6 You think Aaron Glenn was only in there for 10 seconds?

Speaker 22 No, he was in there for probably an hour.

Speaker 15 And the way Aaron Rodgers talks, he just talked for like 30 minutes.

Speaker 26 And Aaron Glenn was just like, all right, we're firing you. So let's go get the GM.
Let's get the show on the road. And then they had

Speaker 10 memes thinks that Aaron Rodgers perceives time at a different pace from everybody else. Memes thinks that when he's speaking, then time moves very quickly.
Got it.

Speaker 10 When somebody else is speaking, time moves very slowly.

Speaker 5 Got it.

Speaker 10 So what was the source off?

Speaker 22 No, there was a you don't know me off between him and the GM.

Speaker 5 Oh. Okay, how did that go?

Speaker 22 So Darren Moogie said, do you like football?

Speaker 23 Do you still want to play football?

Speaker 22 Aaron Rodgers said, yes.

Speaker 10 And then there was just a back and forth of, you don't know me.

Speaker 22 No, you don't know me.

Speaker 26 That was it.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like they just kept on saying that back and forth to each other. You don't know me?

Speaker 5 And then Aaron Rodgers was like, let's get to know each other.

Speaker 22 And they were like, no, we're moving in a different direction.

Speaker 6 So it was you don't know me and you don't even want to know me?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 22 It was just you don't know me. You don't know me.

Speaker 10 So Aaron was pissed off that he had to fly across the country for a 20-second meeting that could have been an email.

Speaker 5 Got it.

Speaker 26 But the Jets also would have gotten dragged if they just called him.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it would have been like the Jets didn't respect Aaron Rodgers enough to do this face-to-face.

Speaker 1 Are you saying you don't know me or you don't know me?

Speaker 6 You don't know me.

Speaker 1 You don't know me? You don't know me.

Speaker 10 I don't know what he's saying. You don't know me.

Speaker 1 You don't know me.

Speaker 5 Got it.

Speaker 10 Does anybody really know Aaron, though?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 Universe. Yeah.

Speaker 10 How could one man really know another man?

Speaker 15 It's a really good question.

Speaker 5 It's a good point.

Speaker 15 It's a really good question. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Think about it.

Speaker 5 I want to see him play.

Speaker 10 Yeah, of course. I would love to see Aaron play.

Speaker 1 I'd like to see him still play football.

Speaker 1 As long as it's not in the NFC North.

Speaker 10 The other thing I took away from this interview was he loves Ashton Genty.

Speaker 10 If you find the clip clip of him talking about seeing Ashton Genty in person,

Speaker 10 he really loves that guy like a lot. Loves his build.
Oh. Like is obsessed with looking at the guy.

Speaker 1 He does have a nice build.

Speaker 10 Can we find that clip? Can you see if that exists out there? Because, man, Aaron really, really likes Ashton Gentil.

Speaker 5 He's got a nice build. A lot.

Speaker 1 I mean, he does have a nice build.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he is. Apparently, just really well put together.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 While you find that, Hank, did you see Browns GM?

Speaker 5 Andrew Berry? I did.

Speaker 1 Said that he compared Travis Hunter to Shohei Otani.

Speaker 7 So do you feel good

Speaker 1 being in the same conversation as the Browns front office?

Speaker 5 Yeah, definitely. Oh, okay.

Speaker 18 I'm going to be vindicated. I welcome the hate when it came, but, you know, two years' time, I'm going to be sitting pretty.

Speaker 1 You think Travis Hunter would be more impressive than Shohei Otani?

Speaker 10 Definitely.

Speaker 5 Wow. Okay.

Speaker 10 Shoe Otani's going to pitch soon again.

Speaker 10 How many touchdowns and picks would he have to have to have a Shohei-type season?

Speaker 1 10 receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 10 10 receiving touchdowns, 5 picks, and maybe two touchdowns. Two pick sixes.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's doable.

Speaker 18 That doesn't even seem that crazy.

Speaker 10 It is pretty crazy, in fact.

Speaker 5 Right. Yeah.
But it's doable.

Speaker 5 I don't think this clip exists. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 By the way, draft week next week. We're going to have Daniel Jeremiah on Monday, and then we'll have our good friend Todd McShay on Wednesday.

Speaker 10 Do you have a big board? I have a big board. I have a big board.
Yeah. Can you tell me who's number one on your big board?

Speaker 1 Well, it's Mason Graham, but he's not going to be there.

Speaker 10 Yep.

Speaker 10 Guys who will be there?

Speaker 1 Probably Kelvin Banks.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Even though we made fun of the name Kelvin.

Speaker 10 That's fine. Just two weeks ago.
It might be a boy named Sue.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably him.

Speaker 10 My number one, I think it's Malachi Starks

Speaker 10 at safety. Okay.
And you know, it goes back from watching his very first game that he played in college. I think that was against Oregon.
Yep. Where he had just an incredible pick.

Speaker 10 And I made a mental note. I was like, put a pin in this guy.
Would love to see this guy play on my team of the NFL. Then I've kind of casually watched him over the last couple of years.

Speaker 10 But I just go back to that one play. I like that.
I want that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what does it have right now? Is the...

Speaker 1 If we did Tyler Warren to the Bears. Okay.

Speaker 7 Hank, what are you looking at it for?

Speaker 18 I want the best athlete. Like, I feel like, you know, obviously we have,

Speaker 18 they're going to probably take a lineman or a defensive lineman, but I would like, obviously, Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 Mason Graham's really good.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 13 I need you to.

Speaker 18 I want Abdul Carter. I want Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 I want Addul Carter.

Speaker 1 Why, you don't want the Giants?

Speaker 17 Yeah, I don't like all the Penn State guys just go to.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but then they go to the Eagles.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Michael would probably end up an Eagle.

Speaker 1 Memes, what are you thinking about?

Speaker 23 Membau,

Speaker 22 the right tackle from Mizzou. Okay.

Speaker 15 He had numbers like Trent Williams.

Speaker 22 So that'd be cool to have a right tackle for the next 10, 15 years.

Speaker 5 That would be cool.

Speaker 10 I know I have to take Malachi Starks because if I don't, then Max is going to get him. Yeah.
System guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. So we're going to do draft stuff all next week.

Speaker 27 You'll probably trade him to us.

Speaker 10 Shut the fuck up, Max.

Speaker 5 Probably will.

Speaker 17 All of a sudden, Villanova just took JME's best player.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 10 You're a real piece of of shit, Max. You know that?

Speaker 5 Oh, no. You are.

Speaker 17 It was breaking news. It was

Speaker 5 a mean breaking move. That's not even the right breaking news sound.

Speaker 10 You did like lasers.

Speaker 17 Well, it wasn't like a full-on breaking moves because it's pretty low news. So it was like a lasers.

Speaker 21 Who'd they get?

Speaker 5 I mean, it's really high news.

Speaker 17 You first got money. Show.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So you got Maryland's coach.

Speaker 12 Why don't you grow your own program, Max?

Speaker 17 We're also about to take one of Maryland's best players.

Speaker 5 Grow your own program.

Speaker 10 You're a homie hopper.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you are. Big time.
That's college sports.

Speaker 10 Personally, if he doesn't want to be a Duke, I don't want him.

Speaker 5 There you go.

Speaker 1 Hank, is one of your favorite weekends coming up? This one.

Speaker 1 You always love to start at NBA and NHL playoffs.

Speaker 18 Yeah, still a little.

Speaker 18 I think next weekend is the start of the best

Speaker 1 three-week stretch. When you have like, you know, not game ones.
Yeah. I do love this weekend, though, where it's just, oh, we're portaling boys.
He's writing a treat right now.

Speaker 10 You're portaling boys?

Speaker 5 Wait, we're portaling boarding boys. We're portaling boys.
No, no, no. You said we're portaling.
We're portaling boys. That guy doesn't say what you're doing.
You wrote, we're portaling boys.

Speaker 10 This sounds like an admission of sex trafficking. Wrong.

Speaker 5 We're portaling boys.

Speaker 6 No, that's not what you wrote.

Speaker 10 This is like something that Diddy would say.

Speaker 5 Wrong.

Speaker 1 What? We're portaling boys?

Speaker 17 I'm keeping it. I stand by it.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 We're portaling, boys.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, Max Epstein Epstein over here.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 17 We're portaling.

Speaker 10 Memes, can you do a quick Photoshop for me?

Speaker 24 I don't even know where that, where would that be?

Speaker 17 Would there be a comma in there somewhere?

Speaker 10 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 5 Exactly where you'd be.

Speaker 23 That's exactly.

Speaker 17 Who uses commas?

Speaker 5 I agree. Memes, do it.

Speaker 10 Memes, do a Photoshop real quick for me of Diddy and then the speech bubble underneath. So then I can quote tweet Max's tweet, and it looks like it's Diddy saying that.

Speaker 5 You know, the one. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's talk some NBA with Brian Windhorse, and then we have Josh Jumel,

Speaker 1 And then we'll do Firefest. We also have a special guest for the end of the show, our boy Shane, who's going to be going to Italy.
We're going to send him off. He's going to Italy by himself.

Speaker 7 So I told him

Speaker 1 he had to come on at the end of the show. What?

Speaker 5 What is this plan? Nothing.

Speaker 1 I just want to send him off. I mean,

Speaker 1 he's going on a European vacation by himself.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. It's true.

Speaker 5 I'm still shocking. I don't think it's that crazy.

Speaker 17 I think it's crazy.

Speaker 17 Does it all the time?

Speaker 5 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 When I say crazy, I'm not saying like, you're crazy. I'm like, crazy, I would never have the balls to do that.
Like, I'm impressed.

Speaker 5 I told him that. It's very cool.

Speaker 1 Confidence to go on vacation by yourself. And yes, Rosillo does do it all the time.
And he is actually the model of how everyone should operate.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Confident move.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's talk some NBA playoffs with Brian Windhorse.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest, one of our favorite guys to talk NBA with. It is Brian Windhorse.
You can hear him on the Hoop Collective, great podcast.

Speaker 1 You can see him on ESPN all throughout the playoffs. You can go buy his book.
He's got two of them, Return of the King and LeBron Inc.

Speaker 1 In which one of those books, Wendy, do you talk about your averages in high school when you're playing with LeBron?

Speaker 21 It's on a special edition where you have to crack open the back cover, and there's like a little slip of paper back there.

Speaker 21 And if you're really lucky, you can find it. But you know, it's like it's rare.
It's like a Pokemon.

Speaker 10 Yeah, putting it at the back of the book is a good way for LeBron to never having read it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's there.

Speaker 23 You go. Yes.
You got it. Yes.

Speaker 21 Oh, my God. Beautiful.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we haven't talked to you since then. Was that just the weirdest experience for you to be called out?

Speaker 21 I was using the word weird there, big cat.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Did not see that one coming.

Speaker 21 You know, like LeBron could probably be angry at me for like 15 or 20 things and like legitimately be like, that take was wrong. What you did here was BS.

Speaker 21 I remember the first time he got really mad at me was when he was a rookie with the Cavs.

Speaker 21 The newspaper

Speaker 21 that

Speaker 21 I was working for at the time, the Akron Beacon Journal, he bought a house in Akron and we in the newspaper published

Speaker 21 his address and a little map of how to get to his house.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 he was like,

Speaker 21 I remember he pulled me aside and he was like, this is some super fucking bullshit.

Speaker 21 And I had to agree with him. Yeah.
Even though I had nothing to do with it, like sometimes I was the conduit for that.

Speaker 21 But listen,

Speaker 21 he could have been mad at me about a bunch of things. What he actually got mad at me about, I didn't think was right, but, you know, He doesn't owe me anything.
If he wants to be mad at me, fine.

Speaker 21 Over the course of 25 years, he's going to get mad at me. I'm going to annoy him.
Whatever. We'll get through it.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 He also, I mean, we didn't throw this out there, but like, and I'm sure you've talked about it enough, but like there might be a chance that LeBron is just jealous of your hair because your hair is fantastic.

Speaker 1 I feel like it gets better every day.

Speaker 5 He's got nothing physically on him except for that.

Speaker 21 He's got me on everything else. So I guess I'll take it.

Speaker 1 That's a big thing, though. Like, LeBron wakes up every day.

Speaker 7 He's, you know, one of the best players of all time.

Speaker 1 He's got all these accolades, but he doesn't have Wendy's hair.

Speaker 21 Do you, you guys probably don't remember this, but there was like a moment. I think it was in the offseason.
Maybe somebody can find it. I don't know.

Speaker 21 Maybe he deleted the tweet, but there was like this, there was like this moment, like one day, where he just announced, I'm giving up on the hair. Yeah.

Speaker 21 It stuck with me. We did great.

Speaker 21 Thank you very much. But he had some sort of witty, and it was kind of like a quasi-announcement.

Speaker 21 And then we saw him next season. It was very clear he had not given up.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 He had just begun to fight. So I don't know what that was all about.
Maybe we'll wait for his book where he can explain what that was about.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he probably had a couple glasses of wine in him, decided to hop online. It happens to everybody.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 So when you were at his house for Taco Tuesday this week, how did he tell you he was feeling going to the playoffs?

Speaker 21 Don't be ridiculous. I'm going on Sunday for Easter.
Okay.

Speaker 5 That's riposteous. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 6 So let's talk some playoffs.

Speaker 1 We're very excited.

Speaker 1 Let's start here. Tell us the...

Speaker 1 Series you're most excited for in the East and the West.

Speaker 21 Am I excited for any series in the East? Let me think about that.

Speaker 1 It's a little tougher in the East.

Speaker 21 I got assigned

Speaker 21 to

Speaker 21 go do the Cleveland series. And

Speaker 21 boy, am I excited.

Speaker 1 Listen, the Cavs are good. I mean, that's funny.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 21 I typically try to stay home in the first round. Stay home.
It's not like, you know, you know, come to LA or whatever.

Speaker 21 Cause the first round, first off, I don't know if you guys heard the NFL drafts is next week.

Speaker 21 Like, like on Monday, like, ESPN will forget my name for like six days, and then they'll crawl out from the sixth or seventh round. And,

Speaker 21 you know, Greenberg will hang them up and they'll be like, wait a minute,

Speaker 21 is the NBA still playing? Yeah.

Speaker 21 But, you know, the first round,

Speaker 21 it's really spread out. There's like a lot of days off.
I'm not really, it's, it's, it's not the most exciting.

Speaker 21 You know, everybody gets excited for the start of the playoffs and then the first round kind of drags. Yeah.

Speaker 21 But.

Speaker 21 I am very excited about the West Series, but specifically Clippers Nuggets. Yeah.

Speaker 21 The Clippers finished the season 18 and three, and I went to a couple of their games, and Kawhi looks awesome.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 21 I remember the 2019,

Speaker 21 the 2019 finals when he was playing for the Raptors, that one year played for the Raptors. I watched Kawhi go through some pregame shooting routines where he was as impressive.

Speaker 21 The staff routines are legendary because he does all these dribbling tricks and sometimes he hits like 27 threes in a row and he throws up half court shots and he throws up shots from the tunnel.

Speaker 21 Well, as you can imagine, the Kawhi ones are boring, but all Kawhi does is look like a machine. And I remember watching him make like, I don't know, like

Speaker 21 96 out of 100, like 17 footers.

Speaker 21 They were, he would, he would need two assistant coaches. This is pre-game.
This is not on a practice day.

Speaker 21 This is like two hours before game time where he would go through so many shots that the assistant coaches would have to tap out because they were kind of guarding him or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 21 And he never missed. He never missed.
And that's what Kawhi looks like right now. Yeah.
And so I'm excited about what he can do. And then obviously Jokic is like an incredible force.

Speaker 21 So that series to me is really interesting. And I'm going to try to see if I can watch all those games.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 What do we make of the two teams in the West that fired their coaches right before the playoffs started? So are they

Speaker 10 did they do it for the same reasons? Like, I think that the Nuggets explanation was that they were planning on moving on from Michael Malone anyways.

Speaker 10 So they wanted to fire him before he had a chance to save his job.

Speaker 21 That seems exactly, that's pretty much exactly the sentiment.

Speaker 10 It seems really strange to do that, especially if he can win two championships for the Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 10 You know, hypothetically, if they go in a run this postseason, they're going to be like, oh, damn, we really wanted to fire this guy, but now we can't because he won again.

Speaker 10 So is that kind of the same thing that happened with Memphis or is that a different story?

Speaker 21 I don't think so. And I mean, to be honest with you, I don't have 100%.

Speaker 21 There's like some stories out there about what happened with Memphis, but I don't feel comfortable enough to

Speaker 21 say them on a worldwide famous podcast.

Speaker 21 But I will say that part of the reason I think they did it was because the general manager, Zach Kleinman, like really, really likes this guy, Tuamo Cizalo, who's the Finnish guy who they

Speaker 21 who they hired as an assistant.

Speaker 21 and i like it was like it's kind of a crazy story like he he he did in europe kind of what um uh what's the football coach from indiana um signetti yeah signetti he kind of signetti kind of stole it from him so he so this he had his team in germany in Bonn, Germany, and they were like really good.

Speaker 21 I don't, don't ask me what division they were in, but they won some championship.

Speaker 21 And then this team in Paris, Paris Basket, who's kind of like a big team, but they're kind of like an underdog, even though they're in a big city.

Speaker 21 They don't have a ton of money and they've just done okay. So they hired him and he brought six players from that German team to his Paris team.
Because in Europe, it's kind of like college right now.

Speaker 21 It's like most guys have one-year contracts. Yeah, there's some players who get multi-year deals, but most guys have one-year contracts.
So he's like, I'm bringing my whole team with me.

Speaker 21 We're going into the transfer portal and we're bringing this team to Paris. And like he brought in those six guys and they won a championship there.
He got noticed by the Grizzlies.

Speaker 21 They were obsessed with hiring him.

Speaker 21 The Wizards wanted to hire him and there was like a bidding war. Plus he was under contract for Paris basket and they had to pay, buy out his contract.

Speaker 21 It is, the more I talk about, the more it feels like college basketball. And they get him to come over to be this lead assistant.
And I think.

Speaker 21 They just thought that they just think this guy's a genius. And maybe he will be proven to that.
Maybe he won't.

Speaker 21 But like, I think part of what was going on there is they were like, look, I think it was kind of the same thing. I think they were worried that somebody else thought he was a genius too.

Speaker 21 And if they got to the end of the season, somebody else was going to hire him. Right.

Speaker 21 And so they were like, let's hire him now.

Speaker 21 Even though the guy they had in there had a pretty good record, Taylor Jenkins. So, but I got to agree with you.

Speaker 21 I got to agree with you. I don't.

Speaker 21 PFT, I don't, I've never seen two guys get fired that late, especially with teams that had winning records that were going to the playoffs.

Speaker 10 Yes, it's bizarre.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is. It's very bizarre.
All right. So I agree with you.
The West playoffs, especially early on, look like the matchups are going to be a lot more fun because the East is a little top-heavy.

Speaker 1 Let's do this exercise. How many teams would it not shock you for them to win the title this year? Because I feel like it's two in the East and a lot in the West.

Speaker 21 So this is how I vote. This is how I vote with my mouse.

Speaker 21 I decide that a team has a chance to win the title when I book hotel reservations in that city.

Speaker 21 Because here's the thing. As you know, most hotel reservations you can cancel.
So there's no penalty for making hotel reservation. And number one, I want to get into a certain hotel.

Speaker 21 And what happens in the playoffs is, you know, you never know like when.

Speaker 21 you know people all of a sudden like 5 000 people want to come into town for a game all of a sudden the hotel sometimes hotels get sold out.

Speaker 21 Sometimes they quadruple their prices, but they don't pay attention. They don't seem to know that their basketball teams are good.
And the finals, and the finals

Speaker 21 schedule is out like in the fall. So like I booked a certain hotel that I want in Boston.
I booked it in October. Wow.

Speaker 1 I like this list, the Wendy's hotels, like where we can, this could be bulletin board for all the other teams.

Speaker 11 Wendy's list.

Speaker 21 And I booked

Speaker 21 for the Boston hotel for the whole finals. So whether they're the home or they're, you know, wherever they're at, because I was like, they're going to, they're going to probably be there.

Speaker 21 I booked it out. Okay.

Speaker 21 Like probably January,

Speaker 21 December, January, Oklahoma City. Booked.
Booked that out.

Speaker 21 Booked that sucker.

Speaker 5 Did they call you?

Speaker 10 Were they like, I think you made a mistake, sir? You booked a hotel in Oklahoma City?

Speaker 21 Sir, you booked a hotel in Oklahoma City for two and a half weeks.

Speaker 5 Are you sure you meant to do this?

Speaker 21 We think that you may have made an error.

Speaker 21 So

Speaker 21 I had Boston and I had Oklahoma City. Then the Cavs, you know, they started 15-0, but okay, some teams start hot.

Speaker 21 The Cavs went on this winning streak in January and they went through this like stretch. And every time they played a team, the other team would come into the post-game and be like, holy shit.

Speaker 21 Like they're like Giannis did it. Michael Malone did it.
J.J. Reddick was like, do you know what you got to do to like beat these guys?

Speaker 21 Like there was like this stretch of like, they went on like this, one of their winning streaks. And like, it was like uncanny.

Speaker 21 Every game, a team, a coach would come in, or a player would come in, and be like, this team is good. I was like, all right,

Speaker 21 Cleveland on the list, booked, you know, but by then I could figure out like if the clean, if the Cavs won the East, they were probably going to have a really good record.

Speaker 21 So I think I only booked home games, but you know what? No, I probably did book it all out. So I booked out Cleveland.

Speaker 21 So how many more have I booked? That's that's now we're at the nitty-gritty. How many more have I booked?

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 21 I have Los Angeles booked.

Speaker 21 But did I book for Inglewood

Speaker 21 where the Clippers play, or did I book for downtown? That's the question.

Speaker 5 That's a bit.

Speaker 21 Wouldn't you like to know?

Speaker 1 Fingers up.

Speaker 20 Where did Wendy book in L.A.?

Speaker 10 Did you book both?

Speaker 5 Did you book in the middle of both?

Speaker 21 I booked downtown because our studio is here.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's a top alley.

Speaker 21 I just wanted to mess around.

Speaker 21 So I booked LA because

Speaker 21 there's a way, there's a world where I could see the Clippers or the Lakers doing it.

Speaker 21 I favor the Clippers to do it more than the Lakers, but the Lakers draw, of all the draws you could have, the Lakers draw is probably kind of favorable because

Speaker 21 not that I'm looking down on the Wolves. In fact, the Wolves are staying at the same hotel I'm at now.
I just saw them all on my way over here.

Speaker 21 And so I'm not saying anything bad about them because if, you know, make sure they're listeners and I'm going to see them, you know, at the Starbucks. And there may be words.
I'm not looking for that.

Speaker 21 I'm not looking for that heat.

Speaker 21 So,

Speaker 21 no, I booked in downtown LA and

Speaker 21 I booked Denver before Michael Malone got fired. I should have reevaluated that

Speaker 21 because I just have so much respect.

Speaker 21 So much respect for Jokic. So that's my list.

Speaker 21 Is it an exhaustive list?

Speaker 21 I did not book out San Francisco.

Speaker 21 I'm not there yet because they're just so small, the Warriors.

Speaker 21 And,

Speaker 21 you know, that's my list. It's probably actually bigger.
Usually it's only about, it's more than normal. Yeah.
Just because I know that LA probably would book up like crazy.

Speaker 21 So LA is probably borderline. I probably really didn't need to do that.
I don't feel that strongly about that. But yeah, that's my list.

Speaker 10 So what happens in the finals? You've got the two cities ideally booked out well ahead of time. Do you cancel the days in between where you're not going to be there?

Speaker 10 Or do you just have an empty hotel room?

Speaker 21 No, obviously I cancel. I cancel but um yeah it's like it's like

Speaker 21 because you look at my like account and there's like 39 reservations yeah and you're like what the heck is going on here and as like we get closer and closer i start canceling it's like it's like refreshing all right i'm i'm i'm getting because you're also getting towards the end of the season you know yeah you're you're finalizing it down but yeah that's like my you know my I couldn't give you a higher compliment than booking a hotel three months out in your city.

Speaker 1 I love this. I think we need like this.

Speaker 1 I would hope that you would be in for this, but like I want to make this a recurring thing on PMT next year where you book a hotel, you let us know and we'll do a breaking news.

Speaker 21 So I have all these rules about things that I want when I, during the, first off, I want to take flights that I don't think people are going to be on.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 21 Because I, I mean, look, if it's Oklahoma City and Boston, you're not going to have 75 options, right? So maybe that, but I like to take a flight.

Speaker 21 that I that I don't think other people are going to be on because I don't want to sit there and talk about the series for three hours, you know, or in the gate area or whatever.

Speaker 21 I just, I'd rather break from it when I'm not doing it. Right.
And I try, you can't always do this because sometimes you're in a city, we don't have a choice.

Speaker 21 I try to stay in a hotel that I don't think people are going to stay in. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 21 I don't, when I'm not at the arena or whatever, I don't want.

Speaker 21 And I also have this rule during the finals.

Speaker 21 And I stole it from Greg Popovich: rule of five.

Speaker 21 No dinners more than five people. Oh.

Speaker 21 I will maybe sometimes allow a six

Speaker 21 if it's somebody's spouse.

Speaker 21 Because the last thing, because you know, sometimes the spouses come to the playoffs, and I don't want like somebody to be like making a choice between like a work dinner and like going with their wife or husband or boyfriend or girlfriend.

Speaker 21 So I will sometimes bend, but generally it's five because this is what happens. Because, you know, there's a whole bunch of people traveling.

Speaker 21 There's all these different groups of people, a lot of people who don't travel during the year. And they'll be like, oh, we're going so-and-so.
Hey, can we bring along so-and-so?

Speaker 21 Can we bring along so-and-so?

Speaker 21 The next thing, you got 12 people, you can't get in, the tables are all messed up, you know, the bill comes and somebody's had six bottles of wine and now I'm paying, you know, $745.

Speaker 21 I can't talk to those seven people down there. I want everybody at the table to hear the other people.
Rule of five.

Speaker 21 And if I am, if I go to a dinner and there's like five and I say, how many people are there?

Speaker 21 And they go, oh, there's four of us. You be the fifth.
I go, okay. And then if they call back later and they go, hey, we're adding so-and-so and so-and-so.

Speaker 21 I don't care who it is i'm like okay you guys have fun i'll go someplace else i love it's a good rule what if you show up and and the party has expanded from when you were invited yeah it's happened and you go on my list

Speaker 21 there's you know these two individuals don't know but these two individuals invited me to do a dinner at the last finals it was in cleveland in 2018.

Speaker 21 i got there there were people on the roster that i hadn't known about the table was bigger Done. We haven't gone since.

Speaker 5 Maybe they know.

Speaker 23 Maybe they figured it out.

Speaker 21 Maybe they haven't.

Speaker 5 Done. Don't do that.

Speaker 21 I have limited time. I can't be bothered with this.
And here's the other thing.

Speaker 21 If it's a big party, I am not afraid to do the Irish goodbye. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. I am not afraid.

Speaker 21 Like, I will specifically not order. Like, I have done this where I've sat down and all of a sudden it's 12 people.
You know, water, we have to drink water. All right.
I'm going to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 21 Goodbye.

Speaker 21 I didn't sign up for 12 people. And

Speaker 21 I didn't order like an appetizer I didn't pay.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 These are my rules. Yeah.
These are are my rules.

Speaker 21 Look, guys, I've been covering the league for 23 years.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Do you know how road trips I've gone on? Do you know how many do you know how many dinners I've gone on on the road? I don't need it in my life.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Man's got to have a coat.

Speaker 5 You're smart.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 1 One team you didn't put on there, the Houston Rockets. What's the, is it too young?

Speaker 1 Because I do think the NBA is the one league where you can confidently be like, this team's very talented, incredible season from the Rockets.

Speaker 1 They have some really, really awesome young players, but they're just too young because that's how the NBA works. You get battle tested.
You got to climb the mountain.

Speaker 1 The Thunder were that team last year. And now this year they could be in the finals.
So is that it? Is it they're just too young?

Speaker 21 Typically, yeah. You know,

Speaker 21 they're,

Speaker 21 I don't want to disrespect them. Like, they could.
Like, look, man, if they like beat the, if they beat the Warriors like 4-1 or something, I might sign on and

Speaker 21 see what reservations are available in June in houston um

Speaker 21 i have i reserve the right to uh to add to that list or delete from that list um but um

Speaker 21 yeah but i will say this they are built for the playoffs like if you look at the guys that they've drafted like like you you guys are actually a good you you guys are actually a good people to um to ask about this because you guys follow the nba but you don't like get into the nba super super like well you guys you guys bet so you guys know all right what do you guys know about amen thompson Thompson?

Speaker 3 He's a freak. Okay.

Speaker 21 So, you guys, that's a bad example. You guys, that's a bad example.

Speaker 1 And I'm excited to watch him guard Seth Curry because that's going to be awesome.

Speaker 21 So, I feel like the world, I mean, obviously, if you're a Rocket fan, you love him. If you're an NBA fan, you may be a little bit aware of him.

Speaker 21 But I feel like the basketball public is going to figure out who Ahmed Thompson is over the next two, three weeks. Yeah.
This guy is an absolute freak amongst freaks.

Speaker 21 Like all the great athletes that you see in the NBA, he's like the great athlete's great athlete. And he is going to be attacking Steph.

Speaker 21 Steph has seen every defender in the world.

Speaker 21 I think KD had that great line in that documentary about the Olympics

Speaker 21 where he was sort of mocking the other teams,

Speaker 21 you know, having camaraderie and growing up playing together. He's like, how's that going to help you when you guard Steph?

Speaker 21 I agree. Like, you can be the most physically imposing defender in the history of the sport.
If you lose Steph Curry and he gets the corner turned on you, you're giving up a three.

Speaker 21 I don't care what you say. But

Speaker 21 they are built with defensive-minded players, which you need in the postseason. The other thing is, like, the Warriors' real weapon is Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 21 And the one thing that you can do on Jimmy Butler that can maybe kind of bother him a little bit is put like really big size on him. This happened in the finals two years ago.

Speaker 21 You know, Jimmy had that great run

Speaker 21 where he led the heat all the way to the finals. And look, Jokic was untouchable, but they had Aaron Gordon, who just has enormous size.
Like, I think he's like 6'10. They put him on Butler.

Speaker 21 And like, Butler isn't, he doesn't. Very, very rarely can you find a guy who can physically impose Jimmy Butler.
And Gordon could kind of do that. And so like they have players like that.

Speaker 21 They have, you know, Dylan Brooks. They have Ahmed Thompson.

Speaker 21 You know, they have Jabari Smith. They have, you know, these guys who have got good size.

Speaker 21 So while they don't have star power and they don't have like experience, although Fred Van Vliet is their like their leader and he's got a ring, they do have some things going for them.

Speaker 21 So I wouldn't count them out. I actually think that other than whoever Oklahoma City plays in the 1-8,

Speaker 21 I think you can take the little numbers next to the teams, the seeds, and you can throw them out.

Speaker 21 Because I don't think there's a discernible difference between the two, the three, the four, the five, the six. Obviously, you get home court if you're the higher seed.
But

Speaker 21 Golden State is favored in this series, I think, in the sports books. Yep.

Speaker 21 On one hand, I respect it because I don't think there's that much of a difference between the teams. On the other hand, that is not acknowledging what Houston's got going for him.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, my favorite thing about the Rockets is Jeff Green's still playing basketball and he's on the Rockets. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 He's had, I don't even know how long, what is like 20 years now?

Speaker 21 I think he's played with double-digit teams. If it's not double-digit teams, it's got to be like nine.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 I want to know the percentage of players all all time that have ever played in the NBA that have played on a team with Jeff Green.

Speaker 5 It's a lot. It's got to be high.

Speaker 21 Yeah, like the Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 21 I think there's two Seattle Supersonics left in the league.

Speaker 5 KD and the guys who play with the Sonics.

Speaker 21 And I think it's KD and Jeff Green because Westbrook's first year was with the, he was in Oklahoma City. I'm pretty sure.
Yeah. So I think

Speaker 21 Uncle Jeff and KD are

Speaker 21 the last two Sonics who had Sonics jerseys.

Speaker 10 I'm looking forward to seeing Dylan Brooks and Draymond Green on the court at the same time in this series. Like, somebody's getting thrown out, right?

Speaker 21 Here's something else. Houston plays like super physical.
Like, that's how their coach, Emei Udoka, like, teaches him to play. He wants him to play physical.

Speaker 21 And so, you know, officiating is going to be a deal in this series. You know, that how Houston gets officiated is going to be something.

Speaker 21 So you know that from the opening tip-off, Draymond Green is going to be working it.

Speaker 21 And, like, obviously, sometimes Draymond goes over the edge, but if you look on balance, the Warriors might tell you that on balance, he's way ahead because he does sometimes intimidate officials.

Speaker 21 Now, the officials that you see in the postseason are more veteran. It's maybe not going to happen.

Speaker 21 But Draymond, I could see Draymond going to work here because he knows from the beginning of the series that the way games are officiated are going to matter. And

Speaker 21 he has a whole game within the game of what he's doing with the referees.

Speaker 1 I got a question for you, Wendy. Maybe we do East-West.
So we'll start with the East.

Speaker 1 Kind of a broader question.

Speaker 6 And I have an answer in mind, but I'm curious yours.

Speaker 1 What team or player has the most pressure on them

Speaker 11 in the East?

Speaker 21 You sound like you're a first-take producer.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, that is exactly.

Speaker 21 It popped in my head. Exactly.

Speaker 5 What a great question.

Speaker 5 You want me to go with mine first, and then you can answer it and tell me if it's stupid? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot of pressure on the current iteration of the Bucs because it does feel like they're at the end of something.

Speaker 1 And if they don't maybe win a couple series here, it's like, where are we as a franchise?

Speaker 6 Good.

Speaker 21 Very good. Agree.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What is yours?

Speaker 21 So I think there's, I'm at, let me just say who I don't think there's pressure on that you maybe, maybe not you, but the fans. I don't think there's a lot of pressure on the Lakers.
Okay.

Speaker 21 That's not what people are going to think. They're going to think, oh my God, like the Lake, you know, if LeBron doesn't win, like, you know, there goes the Jordan comparison.

Speaker 21 I think the Lakers are better, are going to be better next year.

Speaker 21 And I think this year is all about them getting the reps in together and learning to play with each other under pressure and figuring out how LeBron and Luca and Austin Reeves are going to share the load.

Speaker 21 They're not equipped really to handle it.

Speaker 21 I say handle it. That's the wrong word.
They're not equipped.

Speaker 21 They're not built. The roster isn't built out to win 12 playoff games to win the West, in my opinion.
They could prove me wrong and then laugh at me. I could get called weird again.
But

Speaker 21 I don't think there's a lot of pressure on them.

Speaker 21 I don't think there's a lot of pressure really on the Warriors because I think they're kind of in a free-roll. Jimmy has his contract.
The Warriors have their titles. Like, if they can make a run,

Speaker 21 they did it, man.

Speaker 21 Seth has four rings. What was it? If he gets a fifth, like that's supposed to take him to Upper Echelon, they want to win.
They did great.

Speaker 21 You know, Jimmy doesn't have a ring, but no one's going to say that Jimmy Butler isn't a great pressure player. Like his, he obviously would want to win, but his reputation is kind of secure.

Speaker 21 I think there could be a little bit of pressure on Donovan Mitchell because Donovan Mitchell, when he was in Utah several times, I'm not sure he had two 60-win teams.

Speaker 21 He definitely had one 60-win team in Utah. And he never made it to the conference finals.
And it wasn't always his fault, but he is not always delivered at the highest. He's sort of been up and down.

Speaker 21 He's had some playoff games where he's been amazing, but his team has never like over even achieved, much less overachieved.

Speaker 21 And he is, by the way, he has spent this whole year as the Cavs racked up 64 or 65 wins, whatever they had, saying

Speaker 21 none of this matters. This 15-game winning streak to start the season doesn't matter.
This 16-game win streak they had in the

Speaker 21 after the all-star break doesn't matter. The three all-stars doesn't matter.
Him making all NBA doesn't matter.

Speaker 21 He's like, because I've been on great teams before, and it doesn't matter if you don't win. And I think that's true.

Speaker 21 And look, I don't favor them to win the East, but if they stub their toe and like don't get to the conference finals, or if they get to the conference finals and they've built out this team, this team is like set up.

Speaker 21 They, you know, they went and made a mid-season trade for DeAndre Hunter, which, you know, is costing going to cost them a lot of money in the future.

Speaker 21 And they like get blasted by Boston 4-1, like they got beat 4-1 by Boston a year ago. Then I think people are going to look at him and go, well, can you, are you really a difference-making player?

Speaker 21 Like, are you really a type of guy who can carry a team?

Speaker 21 So while I don't look at them as favorites in the East, I think there's pressure on Donovan to have a great playoff run and to carry the Cavs with him. I don't think there's pressure on

Speaker 21 the Celtics per se. However, if they get to the finals, there will be pressure on Jason Tatum to have a great finals.

Speaker 21 Because he wasn't great in the 2022 finals. And then last year, he was good.

Speaker 21 He led the Celtics in points, rebounds, and assists in the finals. He did not play poorly.
He just didn't shoot the ball well and he wasn't amazing.

Speaker 21 Like this is the one thing people always make the mistake. They're like, oh, Jalen Brown won the MVP.
Jason Tatum must have sucked. No, there was 11 votes for finals MVP.
There's 11 voters.

Speaker 21 It was 7-4.

Speaker 21 You know,

Speaker 21 there were people who thought Jason Tatum was the finals MVP. He just didn't play amazing and awesome.
But he has played in two finals.

Speaker 21 He hasn't been amazing and awesome in those two finals, even though he's got a ring.

Speaker 21 So I do think if he gets there, especially if the Celtics crush the East, like last year, I think they went through the East 12 and two.

Speaker 21 If they do something like that again this year, it's going to be like, okay, Jason, now you got to show up in the finals to solidify where you need to be as a player. Yeah.

Speaker 10 You haven't mentioned the Knicks on your pressure teams. No pressure on New York?

Speaker 21 What do you think? I mean, there's pressure if they're in trouble in the first round.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I feel like, yeah, the expectation, given what they've done against the good teams in the East, I think most Knicks fans are not.

Speaker 10 They're not going into this playoffs being like, yeah, this is our year. We can do it.
We can, you know, we're gritty, scrappy underdogs. We can do it.

Speaker 10 I think they're kind of guarded going into it, but I do think that they they need to at least win a series.

Speaker 5 They better win that series.

Speaker 21 Detroit won 13 games last year or something, 14 games. You know, they've got no, they've got a couple of guys on their team who have playoff experience, like Tobias Harris, you know,

Speaker 21 Tim Hardaway Jr., but like they, you know, the guys that they're relying on, you know, Cade Cunningham,

Speaker 21 you know, Jalen Duran,

Speaker 21 the guys that they're relying on have never done this before. So

Speaker 21 if the, if

Speaker 21 if the Knicks screw around in that first series, that would potentially create some pressure. I'll give you that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, they're pressured not flame out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 they're playing. There's certain teams, the Magic, the Pistons, the T-Wolves a little different because obviously they went deep last year,

Speaker 1 or the Rockets, where it's if they lose,

Speaker 1 the future is bright and they're building something and they're getting to somewhere.

Speaker 5 It's a free-roll. It's a free-roll.
Right.

Speaker 1 The Knicks are in that weird spot where it's like they made the moves to try to get better, and

Speaker 1 they aren't really seriously contending in the East. So it's kind of a weird spot.

Speaker 21 Oklahoma City is kind of going that route because, like, Oklahoma City is this youngest team in the league. How often do you ever see the youngest team in the league be the best team in the league?

Speaker 21 We almost never see it.

Speaker 21 It's actually the reason why Oklahoma City, not maybe the reason, but it's a reason why, like, the thing I've noticed about Oklahoma City is that the players don't respect them.

Speaker 21 Like, they're not afraid of them.

Speaker 21 Even though they won 57 games last year and they won 68 games this year. Like nobody who wins those that many games over two years is not a championship team.

Speaker 21 But they're the youngest team. So you just don't respect young guys who haven't done it before, no matter how many regular season wins they get.
So they're going in. They are actually favored.

Speaker 21 The reason I think that they're favored, you guys know the gambling way better than I do. I can't honestly say that they should be favored to beat Boston four out of seven, but I must,

Speaker 21 the sports books must be getting so much money on the Celtics that they're trying to get money on the Thunder. Is that maybe what's happening? I don't understand it, but I would say that

Speaker 21 the Thunder being favored, I don't think that's the way the players in the league, based on my conversations.

Speaker 21 If the Thunder don't win it this year, specifically if they don't get to the finals, you will see it flip on them.

Speaker 21 You will then see people like me saying the Thunder better get this done. Do the Thunder need to make a trade or whatever.

Speaker 21 Right now, they kind of live in a zone where they're not like having expectations. Like, well, you better back this 68-win season up by getting to the finals and almost winning.

Speaker 21 And otherwise, it doesn't matter. They don't really live in that world right now.
They live in a bit of a

Speaker 21 not that stressful of a world, but that will change if

Speaker 21 they stub their toe and go out early like they did last year.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah, that is kind of weird that they're the favorites to win it all because usually you would see that you would expect that team to be coming out of the east where it might be a little bit easier to get to the finals.

Speaker 1 It could be also Jalen Brown's knee, which I mean, you think he's he's going to to be fine, but that always, you know, any injury news could always change it a little, too.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he did have a treatment, but like they were playing him. It's not like they shut him down.
So he definitely has been talking about it. And when the player talks about it, like that's a sign.

Speaker 21 Like it's one thing if the team says, oh, yeah, he's dealing with something and the player doesn't say anything.

Speaker 21 When the player says something about it, like I'm dealing with something, I pay more attention. But they were playing him.
Yeah. Like up until their seed,

Speaker 21 you know, he played straight through until they're till they knew they had the second seed. So, I don't know, it's not my knee.
I don't know how it feels.

Speaker 21 You know, he had like an injection in it, but,

Speaker 21 you know, in all honesty, Boston might not need him for a month anyway.

Speaker 10 Yeah. What are we hearing

Speaker 10 on the health front from Dame? So he apparently responded to the treatments for the blood clots a lot faster than anybody thought that he would. Is there a chance that he plays in the first series?

Speaker 21 Yeah, I think so. I think he's, I mean, you know, you never want to assume anything, but I think the intent is for him to play sometime next week.
He's not going to play in the first game.

Speaker 21 So look, I had a blood clot 15 years ago. I am not an athlete, quite clearly.

Speaker 21 When I had the blood clot, like

Speaker 21 they wanted you to be on the medication for at least three months. The medication sucks.
It has a bunch of side effects. It like drags you down.
Nobody likes it, but you got to be careful.

Speaker 21 But it's life-saving. You know, the thing about a blood clot, I know from just having one is that the big thing is to diagnose it.

Speaker 21 That's because the problem is people die when blood clots, when they don't know, they're feeling sick. They don't know why.

Speaker 21 why people die when blood clots are not diagnosed so the big challenge is diagnose a blood clot then you deal with it um so they so what shams uh chirania said like um

Speaker 21 is that dame started blood thinning medication two weeks before

Speaker 21 they actually found the blood clot oh wow now this obviously

Speaker 21 creates some follow-up questions that we would all like to have. And Dame hasn't done an interview yet.
And by the way, like aspirin, I think, can theoretically be

Speaker 21 called bloodthening medication. So I don't want to sound like, but something that he did when he started feeling this issue helped mitigate this.

Speaker 21 And even that, like, I mean, he was, he was going to the Mayo Clinic, like they know what they're doing.

Speaker 21 So it is kind of amazing. Like when I heard he had a blood clot and like the bucks were saying like, no, we think he can come back.
I thought they were just like trying to put up a front, like

Speaker 21 trying to keep, you know, trying not to let anybody have information because you don't do that in the playoffs. But sure enough, he's been cleared by the Mayo Clinic.
So

Speaker 21 the Bucs have had nothing but bad news on the injury front for the last three years.

Speaker 21 Three years ago, when they were the defending champs, Middleton got hurt in the first round.

Speaker 21 He went down in like the first game and put his hand on the ground and sprained his wrist or something like that. And

Speaker 21 then they had Blueson in six games or seven games to the Celtics the year they went to the finals.

Speaker 21 Next year, Giannis gets hurt in the first round. They go out to Miami.
Miami ends up going to the finals. If Giannis doesn't get hurt, maybe the Bucs are back in the finals.
I don't know.

Speaker 21 You know, I don't know. Then last year, you remember Giannis, like it's 10 days before the end of the season.
He takes it inbound, turns to run up the court and falls down, hurts his calf.

Speaker 21 Giannis has played in two playoff games the last two years. So they've had nothing but rotten injury luck for three straight years.

Speaker 21 It's really short-circuited this team's opportunity to win another title.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 21 And so for them to get unexpectedly positive injury news, I would say Karma was on their side for that to happen. So I hope he's fine and I'm glad to hear it.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 23 I got a couple last questions.

Speaker 1 We talked about Ahmed Thompson. Give me another name that you think the national

Speaker 1 world is going to be like, oh man. Because, you know, this is why we love the playoffs.
Guys, everyone knew who Anthony Edwards was, but last year was, you know, holy shit, this guy is unreal.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brunson, a couple of years ago. Like, this is the stage that names start to become bigger and guys get talked about in a different light.

Speaker 1 So, do you have one or two guys where you're like, hey, this, this could be a big, big moment for them?

Speaker 21 So, Avitsa Zubats from the Clippers, I don't know, is he a big enough?

Speaker 21 Is he a big name? I mean, like, he played.

Speaker 21 So, this guy is having an absolutely incredible season, and he's just a big, strong, brute player who, I mean, he's been in the league like seven, eight years.

Speaker 21 It's not like he's unheard of, but he took a leap forward this year. And I think part of it is because, like, James Harden does a great job, like bringing a lot out of centers.

Speaker 21 Like, he did this with Clint Capella years ago in Houston. Part of it, I think, is that Hardin was like the full-time point guard for the full season.

Speaker 21 But Zubats is just a beast.

Speaker 21 And I wouldn't say he's had success against Jokic, but out of all the guys who have played Jokic a bunch of times, like Zubats has actually been able to check the box and say, I did a good job in this game the most.

Speaker 21 So he is going to be front and center in that series. He is one of the best defensive players in the league.
He's a beast on the interior. He doesn't mess around.

Speaker 21 You know, like we're in this era where everybody and their brother shoots threes.

Speaker 21 Zoo doesn't do that. Zoo's like, forget about that.
I am playing that game. I will come in and I will shoot my 65% on the interior.
So it's a great opportunity for the

Speaker 21 world to kind of be introduced to Zoo.

Speaker 21 And I don't know. Like, again, I don't, Cade Cunningham has been an all-star, but he hasn't been on the

Speaker 21 sort of the front page.

Speaker 21 Cade Cunningham was like a borderline MVP candidate this year. He was so good for the Pistons.
And the Pistons haven't made the playoffs in like seven years.

Speaker 21 So like, and they weren't on national TV a lot.

Speaker 21 So like, there's a chance, again, if you're a casual NBA fan, you haven't really seen cade cunningham so i i hate to give this to a guy who's an all-star and is going to be on the all-nba team but i feel like cade cunningham especially playing in new york playing at the garden um i think he has a chance to sort of have his um his profile really elevated yeah no that's a good answer because if they beat if the pistons win a series Cade Cunningham will be talked about in a different light going forward.

Speaker 5 I agree.

Speaker 21 You remember that happened with

Speaker 21 Trey Young?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Trey Young.

Speaker 21 I mean, Trey Young was a major college star. I mean, I guess Cade was too.
He's a number one overall pick, but

Speaker 21 Trey Young went into another level because of that playoff series with the Knicks a few years ago. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 If you had a gun to your head right now, or I guess if your credit card company called you up and they said, you have to cancel, you can't have all these hotel rooms.

Speaker 10 There's a housing crisis in America. We need some of these hotel rooms back.
And they only gave you two options. You can only pick one from the Lomb City in Boston.

Speaker 21 That's where you're keeping it?

Speaker 5 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 10 That's your finals pick.

Speaker 21 And I say that as someone who's from Cleveland, who spends a lot of time in Cleveland and, you know,

Speaker 21 makes a lot of appearances in Cleveland. They're not going to be happy that I say that, but like, you got to knock the champ out.

Speaker 21 And they did. They went two and two against him this year.
And Donovan Mitchell averaged like 32 points against the Celtics this year.

Speaker 21 Like there's a world where this happens for Donovan, but he's got to prove to do it.

Speaker 21 And so.

Speaker 21 Those were the two that I made

Speaker 21 with the first two that I made.

Speaker 10 But you also have a lot of friends in Cleveland. You could just say that.
Like you'll crash at their place. So you can cancel the hotel.

Speaker 21 I am staying with my mother in Akron on Saturday night.

Speaker 5 There you go.

Speaker 21 ESPN will not have to pay for my hotel rooms in Cleveland this upcoming week. I love it.

Speaker 5 I love it. All right.

Speaker 1 Wendy, this has been so much fun. We love having you on.

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Speaker 1 I know this is in playoffs, but I just want to be, I want to feel seen for a minute because we've already taped the rest of the show, and I did a rant at the beginning of the show about the Bulls.

Speaker 21 Rightfully so.

Speaker 1 It's just ridiculous that people actually look at March and April NBA basketball and say, oh, that team's building something.

Speaker 6 Does that, is that fair?

Speaker 1 Because that was my whole thing. Like, they were a 47% win percentage team for the season.
They won 70% of their games down the stretch.

Speaker 1 And if you take out all the teams that were tanking or were sitting loaded management guys, they won 46% of those games. They never changed as a team.

Speaker 6 They just started playing teams that were actively trying to lose.

Speaker 5 Kat,

Speaker 21 what is the most important thing? What would you say is the most important thing that the Bulls need?

Speaker 1 A guy.

Speaker 21 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 How do you get him? Yes.

Speaker 20 The lottery.

Speaker 5 Ah. Yes.

Speaker 21 Thank you. Two check mark, check mark.
I'm ready to hire you as GM.

Speaker 21 What did the Bulls absolutely not do this year?

Speaker 1 They didn't get their lottery odds up.

Speaker 21 What I, the way I said it, I declared this like 18 months ago. The Bulls are in a rebuild and they don't know they're in a rebuild.
Yep.

Speaker 21 And that's almost the worst position to be in. I will say this.
You You could be the Sacramento Kings

Speaker 21 who have a bunch of Bulls players making tons of money that didn't work with Chicago

Speaker 21 and are now convinced they're going to work in Sacramento, so convinced that they're firing coaches and GMs, saying, why isn't this working? Why are we not in the?

Speaker 21 And by the way, like, I'm not nothing against Zach Levine and DeMar DeRosa. I know them a little bit.
I think they're good guys. They just didn't work together in Chicago.
Why would they?

Speaker 21 Anyway, that's another story. I said that.

Speaker 6 I said it was the Bulls' front office lost two playing games on Wednesday night.

Speaker 5 They did. I know.

Speaker 21 Like, here's the thing: like, the Bulls got booed off the floor, and so did Sacramento. I know.
They got booted. The Bulls, ex-Bulls players got bowled off.

Speaker 1 And AK is sitting there like, oh, this is crazy. I can't believe this happened.

Speaker 21 I can't explain.

Speaker 21 One of my podcast partners,

Speaker 21 Tim McMahon, he says, boy, he has a line. He goes, boy, you came in third like the Bulls in a three-team trade.

Speaker 5 I love saying that.

Speaker 21 And I didn't see Arturis Kanishevis's press conference today. I'm going to follow it up.
I was working. Somebody told me he said something to the effect of this may not be an exact quote.

Speaker 21 Hey, just give us some time. We're building.

Speaker 1 Timeline.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Tough.

Speaker 21 It's.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
I feel seen. Thank you.
Because

Speaker 1 you fight against it. And I know like people inherently don't want to see their team tank.

Speaker 1 But the NBA, if you are three, I was saying actually at the start of the show, if you get in the, if you're in the playing three or four years in a row, like the bulls and hawks there should be like a punishment on your team because that's you're basically admitting to everyone that you don't know what you're doing and you're doing this all wrong so a couple of like i don't know maybe a month ago we ranked like at espm we used like these seven different

Speaker 21 ways to rank the rebuilding teams. Like there was like, I don't know, we called them 10 rebuilding teams.

Speaker 21 Like we all rolled up our sleeves and we did all this analysis, looked at all these stats and everything like that, and we ranked them.

Speaker 21 And really, the only difference between the teams who are doing successful rebuilds, like the Spurs, and teams that are doing unsuccessful rebuilds, well, the Bulls technically aren't rebuilding, but whatever, are the fact that they got lucky in the lottery.

Speaker 21 Right. Like, if you looked at this, you could be like, the only way to do this is to get lucky in the lottery.

Speaker 21 So maybe they will get lucky in the lottery, and Cooper Flagg will be showing up in the summer. And if that happens, it would be amazing because Kobe White is good.
Josh Giddy does have promise.

Speaker 21 Bezellis, their rookie, like, would potentially be like a pretty good fourth guy. But if you don't have the dude, you're not going anywhere.
So you got to kill yourself to get the dude.

Speaker 21 And the Bulls aren't doing things to get the dude. That's what would drive me crazy if I was a Bulls fan.

Speaker 10 So who do you have winning the lottery?

Speaker 21 You know, what would be the best option? I mean,

Speaker 21 if the Bulls won the lottery, and I mean, now they're like, what are they? They'd have like the 12th best odds.

Speaker 10 I think they're 1% right now.

Speaker 5 Could jump up to 2%.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 21 it would be amazing if cooper flag wins to chicago yeah like uh for the league um

Speaker 5 it'll probably

Speaker 21 why'd you say that for the league because for the league because i don't know if you heard it would be better if the bulls are good for the league

Speaker 21 you know um it would be better for the league but they've done their best not to get it what i kind of don't want is the

Speaker 21 76ers to win it yeah yep agreed because they were

Speaker 21 what the way that the way they got to that seat. They finished the season 5 and 31.

Speaker 10 Yeah, is there any chance that Silver steps in and he's like, hey, we told you not to do this. You kept doing it.
I'm taking away a couple of your percentage points, giving it to the Bulls.

Speaker 21 You know, like one of the most amazing parts of the NFL season for me, I don't follow it that closely, was that one game where

Speaker 21 who were the Eagles playing? Where they kept doing the tush-push and like there was kept being penalties. And the referee was like, look,

Speaker 10 if you jump.

Speaker 21 Okay, I'm sorry, PFT.

Speaker 21 i didn't mean to i seriously didn't want to inflict damage on you but like when that referee said

Speaker 21 look if you do it again we're giving just give him the touchdown yeah like what you're saying is adam silver should have that yes you know like they're all celebrating he just steps in i'm sorry i'm just going to use my my powers here yeah we're taking away you're going down to like five percent in the lottery uh the bulls jump up to like six percent and and maybe the wizards get the rest i don't know yeah that seems fair it would it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for the wizards to to get Cooper flag.

Speaker 21 That would kind of be cool.

Speaker 21 The nation's capital hasn't had a good team in like decades.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's been a long time.

Speaker 21 But it'll probably be Charlotte.

Speaker 5 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 Probably will.

Speaker 7 All right, well, Wendy, you're the best.

Speaker 5 We love having you on. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 We'll do it again later on in the playoffs. And I love the idea of the Wendy Hotel.
So we'll make a graphic for you

Speaker 1 and we'll start doing this.

Speaker 21 Five people at dinner.

Speaker 5 Five people at dinner. I love that.
I don't care.

Speaker 21 If there's four of us at the table and you two show up and you're offering to pay, I say thank you. Keep on walking.

Speaker 5 I love it.

Speaker 10 I can tell you're very passionate about this, but it comes from a place of experience where you've had some bad situations. I can tell that there's trauma in your past.

Speaker 1 And you're so right about the conversation. If you're at a dinner with 10 people, you don't talk to half of the table.

Speaker 2 It just doesn't happen. Right.

Speaker 21 And like, look, that's fine for other people. For me,

Speaker 21 five.

Speaker 5 Five.

Speaker 21 Six, if it's somebody's boyfriend or girlfriend.

Speaker 5 I don't want to leave them out. That's the only time I'll go there.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks so much, Wendy.
We'll talk soon.

Speaker 21 Take care, guys.

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Speaker 10 And now here's recurring guest and handsome man, Josh Dumell.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest, the most attractive guest that we have in pardon my take history.

Speaker 10 Skip Ailis.

Speaker 6 Skip Ailis or Josh Dumel.

Speaker 1 Josh, always great to see you. Always great to have you on.
You have a new show out April 17th, Ransom Canyon on Netflix.

Speaker 1 It looks like you're ready to do just like a full day of press junkets how many interviews do you have today

Speaker 9 oh gosh i don't know i'm here till one they got me they got me fully loaded i know that much okay so we're number

Speaker 9 by the way we're at this new this new netflix uh building that they built just for junkets like this

Speaker 9 okay we used to be at a hotel and now they have like they built actual hotel rooms with room service and a room like this and it they they just they just run us through like a car wash that's all real can you get a room in the netflix hotel junket yeah it's a beautiful beautiful room.

Speaker 9 It's like, you know, five-star.

Speaker 5 Yeah. All right.

Speaker 9 So no bed because we can't sleep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're interview one. You're going to do a bunch of interviews today.
I would hope that we ask the dumbest questions that you get today. And I'll start with a really dumb one.

Speaker 1 So Ransom Canyon, I watched the trailer.

Speaker 5 Looks awesome.

Speaker 1 Texas, Romance, Western, got everything.

Speaker 1 How many horses did you ride? And did you have like a specific horse you loved?

Speaker 6 I did.

Speaker 9 I rode a horse called JC.

Speaker 9 We all had our own horse.

Speaker 9 Actually, went to a cowboy camp for a couple of weeks before we started shooting. I hadn't been, you know, I'm from North Dakota.
We talked about this last time. So

Speaker 9 I was around

Speaker 9 farms and ranches pretty much my whole life,

Speaker 9 but I hadn't been on a horse for 20 years, probably.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, I was a little rusty, but it was, you know, it was, and

Speaker 9 I'm not going to lie, I wasn't a huge horse guy. but for whatever reason, I don't know if it was Clay and the guys over there that sort of run this cowboy camp.

Speaker 9 I really started to love it again for the first time in maybe forever. I like it.

Speaker 6 So JC was your horse. So that was your horse every single time? Yep.

Speaker 10 Okay. Now, this is a dumb question, but do horses have to act? Do they have like a coach?

Speaker 9 Well, they're really well trained. I can tell you that much.

Speaker 9 Some more than others.

Speaker 10 JC was a really, he was an older veteran horse, so he was very well behaved which I liked I didn't have I didn't feel like I was gonna get bucked off at any minute yeah that's good I feel like Kevin Costner his his roles recently have just been like get me to a place where I can ride horses around while I'm on the set because that's what I want to be doing anyways it's actually a really cool strategy if that's what you love yeah right it is fun you know and this whole

Speaker 9 you know there's something about the the vibe of this show that I just loved because I was actually at my place at my cabin when April Blair, the showrunner, called.

Speaker 9 So I was kind of in this mode anyway. I was, I think I was on my tractor and my side-by-side or something.
And

Speaker 9 we just started talking about this character. And, you know, this guy is,

Speaker 9 you know, he's been through it the last couple of years, lost his wife a couple of years ago, and then lost his son

Speaker 9 about a year to the day we start the show. So he's been through it.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I think that,

Speaker 9 you know, that's really what I love is this guy was not just, he doesn't have it all together. He's pretty broken.
He's pretty surly.

Speaker 9 And,

Speaker 9 you know, that fits my character. I fit right into that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other thing I noticed, another dumb question from the trailer, which it looks awesome. I'm definitely going to watch this show.

Speaker 1 There was a line in it, and you've been in a lot of movies, a lot of shows,

Speaker 1 where I think a police officer said to a woman, you stay away from that boy. Has that ever worked? Has anyone ever stayed away from the boy?

Speaker 9 That's a pretty good indicator that she's not going to stay away from him.

Speaker 1 I feel like I picked up. I'm not the smartest guy, but I feel like I picked up there might be something going on with the boy.

Speaker 9 You're like the Pink Panther.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm like those, yeah, the Reddit threads for like White Lotus or Severance, where everyone's piecing every single thing in the background.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I should just start a thread being like, I think there's something going to happen with this boy and this girl.

Speaker 5 i don't know

Speaker 10 speaking of your uh your your place that you have up in minnesota i watched the tour that you gave of your uh your your cabin your property that you have up there that looks awesome yeah i'm actually envious of of what you did to that place because maybe you could tell the story but you bought a spot for what like 75 grand and then you spent the last couple years fixing it up it looks incredible By the way, you guys are always welcome.

Speaker 9 It is a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 I don't want to overplay the relationship, but my follow-up question was going to be, if there is an apocalypse i'm going to go to your cabin is that ready okay i'm ready it truly is my happy place we we bought that place

Speaker 9 i bought the place like 15 16 years ago with nothing on it it was it literally had the first thing i bought was a floating dock

Speaker 9 and then the property next to that went up for sale and had a little hunting shack with no electricity or water and um and then a couple years after that

Speaker 9 Another one went up for sale right next door with a little cabin right on the water. So then I suddenly had two little cabins, no water, no wells, but one of them had electricity.

Speaker 9 So for the first 10 years, we would be,

Speaker 9 you know, it was outhouses and it was washing dishes in the lake.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And finally, we built something that's actually, you know, a little bit more suited for modern times. And we have running water now and we have wells and we have showers and we even have a dishwasher.

Speaker 9 So, you know, we're living a really posh life out there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it looks amazing. Were people calling you insane when you said, hey, I'm going to buy this place, fix it up, and spend a lot of time out there? Because it's so far away from everything.

Speaker 10 I get it. But I imagine that a lot of people that you work around, that might not have been like their ideal situation to live in.
Yeah, have we lost Josh?

Speaker 5 Is he gone?

Speaker 9 At times, yeah, I think people do wonder that. It is,

Speaker 9 you know, it was just something that I felt like I wanted to do. I'd never,

Speaker 9 you know, I didn't grow up with a lake cabin. I didn't have anything like that, but I had friends who did, and I always loved it.
I loved that lake life.

Speaker 9 So it just became the place, and especially during COVID, we spent a lot of time just because nothing was going on.

Speaker 9 We just lived out there and we're building and, you know, cutting trails and just sort of shaping it. And then over the last few years, especially, it's really come along.
So, yeah,

Speaker 9 it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Is it fully doomsday prepped?

Speaker 14 Are you ready to go if there's an apocalypse?

Speaker 9 Well, I'm getting there. uh

Speaker 9 you know the whole thing runs on propane if i need it to with a generator and i got solar i got wells so i have enough water i'm working i'm not i'm not much of a hunter yet i'm working on that but there's plenty that you could you know

Speaker 9 hunt and eat and fish you know if you had to

Speaker 9 i could probably survive two weeks okay We're getting there.

Speaker 5 Two weeks is pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I know that there's an apocalypse. I would just, I'd just walk outside and be like, just take me now.
I don't, I'm not, I'm not down for the fight.

Speaker 5 Like, I'd give up very quickly.

Speaker 9 It's always been a fear of mine. Like the, the idea that, you know, something happens and everything goes sideways.

Speaker 9 The problem is, how do you, how would I get there? You know, because,

Speaker 9 you know, the, the, the freeways in L.A. can lock up pretty quickly.
So I've gone through all these scenarios where,

Speaker 9 Do I get a dirt bike and take the canyons over to a boat that I have rented in a slip over in the marina? And do I drive the boat up the coast where I have a car parked that I can drive from there?

Speaker 9 You know, it's a whole,

Speaker 9 I've thought this thing through. I haven't done any of that yet, but it is part of the plan.

Speaker 10 I've been watching The Last of Us. You could just walk.
That's kind of what they do. They just walked across the entire country.

Speaker 5 It doesn't take that long.

Speaker 9 Walk from L.A. to Fargo.

Speaker 10 Yeah, or get a pilot's license.

Speaker 5 Just fly there.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Not a bad idea.

Speaker 1 Do you think people look at you a little sideways when you say that you're prepped like this?

Speaker 1 Like, they're like, all right dude because there is a little that comes with being a doomsday prepper where people are like okay man sounds good crazy yeah like all the people who bought stuff like in 1999 they've been like this 2000 thing is gonna everything up and then they

Speaker 1 yeah and they woke up and they're like whoops i probably shouldn't be living in the woods

Speaker 9 well yeah i'm i'm guessing they do probably look at me a little sideways because

Speaker 9 but it's not like i'm out there you know

Speaker 9 i don't i don't have like an underground bunker and things like that. It's just mostly, honestly, what it is, is a place that my kids love to go.
Right.

Speaker 9 My sister's kids, my both my sister's kids, and you know, hopefully their kids someday will all find it, you know, a place that they can all go to.

Speaker 9 So I built it not only for me and a place to get away to, but also something I can pass on to them. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And it's nice. It's a short commute from your real house in North Dakota.

Speaker 5 So you can just drive over there every day and come right back. Hop on over.
Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Wait, so last time we had you on, you told us about your guys trip every year. Are you still doing it where you guys go and basically play a bunch of sports and hopefully don't get injured?

Speaker 1 Are you still keeping the tradition?

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah, we do it every year, every third weekend of August.

Speaker 21 I love it. Buddy games.

Speaker 9 This year, I think we're doing it in Montana. Okay.
We did it at my cabin last year. Bob, the Bob father, likes to make sure that we take a year off from my place.

Speaker 9 I don't know if it's because he wants to make sure that he still runs it.

Speaker 5 I don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But he's very possessive about his buddy games. So

Speaker 9 last year we did it at my cabin. This year I think we're going to Montana.
But, you know, every year is like Christmas. The guys put it on the calendar and they all show up.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So any injuries last year? Because like you guys, when you described it to us, it was every sport you could think of.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we're all getting up in age. Was there, were there any issues with someone, like, has there been a retirement?

Speaker 20 That would be sad.

Speaker 1 Someone had to do like a real retirement, like, you know, raise their banner to the rafters.

Speaker 9 No, we did. We did.
We did introduce the Hall of Fame last year.

Speaker 9 Chad Hornbarker got the maroon jacket. I love it.
As far as injuries, Chris Watson

Speaker 9 woke up to go take a piss in the middle of the night, stood up, passed out, and like literally broke the left side of his face oh my god

Speaker 9 like oh my god what is you know so i don't know if that's an indicator that we're we are getting old or what but he was uh but he he still competed oh i love that that's that's how dedicated he was that's hockey tough yeah

Speaker 10 i love that's it's amazing what events did we do last year

Speaker 9 we did uh

Speaker 9 We did the usuals golf, wiffle ball. We built the wiffle ball field down on the, it was sort of half in the lake,

Speaker 9 half on land we had a chipping contest where we chip from this upper ridge down onto the beach and you had to you had to lay there spread eagle and you and you you got to wear a a motorcycle helmet but that was it that in your underwear oh did we get a nut shot that see this is like wow this is dude

Speaker 9 there was a shin shot we didn't we didn't quite get the nut shot but yeah you know you you send one up about 80 yards and it comes down that ball's moving by the time it hits so yeah it was,

Speaker 9 it wasn't our most,

Speaker 9 it wasn't our most ridiculous event, but but, oh, we also did, we also did, uh, like this, this

Speaker 9 amazing croquet

Speaker 9 where I mowed fairways all through the yard and all the undulations. We literally met a golf course in, and did it like a croquet field.

Speaker 9 And that, surprisingly, was the favorite event last year.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, that's another indicator that we may be getting old. Yeah, that's the old.

Speaker 1 Like being like, yeah, the event where we stand around and have to like lightly swing something. I would say that's that's maybe getting old.

Speaker 10 That's actually a genius idea, though, doing croquet golf. Just a giant-sized croquet field.
I'm surprised.

Speaker 10 I don't know if anyone's done that before if you invented it, but that sounds like the best time ever.

Speaker 9 We mowed fairways the whole thing. So if you got off track, you're in the rough.

Speaker 9 It was actually really fun. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I know it doesn't sound like it, but it was one of the best events.

Speaker 10 How did you do? And if you have a lackluster buddy games, do you find yourself beating yourself up for the next year? Like, God, I really, really left a lot of opportunities out there.

Speaker 10 We did win last year.

Speaker 9 It's still under protest.

Speaker 21 I'd imagine that most wins are under protest, right?

Speaker 10 For the buddy games?

Speaker 9 Me and my team did win it last year, but of course, you know.

Speaker 9 These guys, you know, it's just, they're just a bunch of babies.

Speaker 1 Well, it sounds, we do something similar here at Barcelona. Like, we just completed, we did a 18-hole mini-golf tournament in our office.
We built 18 mini golf holes.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 And it was 12 on 12, like Ryder Cup style.

Speaker 6 And the way I describe it is like you could create

Speaker 5 a mini golf rule book that is a thousand page long.

Speaker 1 Once you get all of us in the same setting, it will take maybe 30 minutes before we find a loophole and start arguing non-stop with each other.

Speaker 5 And that's what I'd imagine the buddy games is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 9 And Chad Kelly. Yeah, I'm calling you out.
Chad Kelly was the biggest culprit last year. Man,

Speaker 9 he was tripping the whole time.

Speaker 5 Anyway,

Speaker 9 yeah,

Speaker 9 they seem to find loopholes. Everybody desperately wants to win this thing.
It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 That's the fun, though.

Speaker 1 When you take it so, like, we were, we, we did this mini golf competition. I found myself, our team lost, and I was actually kind of depressed.

Speaker 5 Like, I was, I woke up in a bad mood.

Speaker 1 I was like, you got to be kidding me, man. Like, what?

Speaker 10 You got three kids, you got a great life, and you're getting upset about mini golf, but that's how I felt like i can't i can't deny how i felt your competitor yeah yeah it's just how how you're wired uh we got to talk about some uh some nfl stuff here because your vikings let me just ask you this would you want aaron rodgers on your vikings

Speaker 9 yes and no i mean i've i've i've run into aaron a bunch over the years and he's he's actually a really fun dude he loves to give me

Speaker 9 he loves to give it to me about the vikings especially when he was with the packers so uh

Speaker 9 it just didn't, it's kind of, it kind of feels like it did when Favre came.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Favre maybe had his best year of all, his whole career, but it didn't feel like he was fully one of the Vikings, you know?

Speaker 9 So I don't think I could, I don't think, you know, even if we did win, it feels like we would almost need an asterisk next to it or something.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 9 I don't know what JJ is going to do. He looked, I saw him on the sidelines when I was at the,

Speaker 9 well, I went to the, what did I do? I went to the Lions game, last game of the season, season, and then I went to the

Speaker 9 Packers, then the Lions.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 JJ's a hell of a quarterback, but man, he doesn't look very big down there. He looks like he's about 16 years old.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does look young.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Did you?

Speaker 9 He's a hell of a quarterback. So we'll see.

Speaker 6 Did you find yourself falling for the Sam Darnold

Speaker 10 situation?

Speaker 1 Did you fully buy in that that was like, hey, this is who he is now? He's just the best.

Speaker 9 I was really impressed. I did not see that.
I don't think any Vikings fan saw last year coming.

Speaker 9 We thought it was going to be a 500 year, and it turned out to be one of the most exciting years we've had. And Sam Darnold was a big reason for that.
Now,

Speaker 9 you know, I don't want to blame him entirely for that, those last couple of games. He did not play well, but, you know, he was also...

Speaker 9 He also got pressured like crazy.

Speaker 9 I think that, you know, the pressure of the game, the situation, and then

Speaker 9 the amount of pressure he was getting from the defense, I think was a little bit too much.

Speaker 9 But apparently, we did reload on the offensive line, which is good. Did you guys see that?

Speaker 6 Yes, yeah, big time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys definitely added a lot of pieces on the offensive.

Speaker 9 The line looks good. And I think that

Speaker 9 we definitely have the weapons on offense

Speaker 9 with JJ and Addison and

Speaker 9 who else we got. Hawkinson, Jefferson.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's a really

Speaker 9 high-powered offense. Defense is going to be good.

Speaker 9 But then again, you've got Caleb coming up with the Bears.

Speaker 9 You've got,

Speaker 9 what's his name? Jordan Love with the Packers.

Speaker 9 You know, and the Lions are going to be good. They're going to be really good.
So I don't know. We could be first or we could be last.

Speaker 10 Iron sharpens iron. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It must be nice, though, having a head coach where you can convince yourself no matter who plays quarterback, you're going to be like, yeah, that guy's going to be a Pro Bowler just because the coach is that good.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I think that's the perfect tire for the Bears, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Ben Johnson. Yeah.

Speaker 9 We've done that many years, haven't we?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 A lot of times. But this time's different.

Speaker 1 This time is totally different. You'll see.

Speaker 9 What do you guys think of Caleb?

Speaker 1 I love him.

Speaker 7 Tough, tough first year. Very, very tough.

Speaker 1 Did not have the setup that I thought he was going to have going into it.

Speaker 6 The coach, everything just basically was a disaster.

Speaker 2 So I'm hoping fresh start.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson, smart guy, fresh start. He feels good.

Speaker 1 Is that your team? Yeah, that's my team.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 14 your best though. I didn't know that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and it's

Speaker 1 listening. Last year was, I said a lot of things in the summer that I regret deeply about how they were set up to win right now.
And then they basically fell off a cliff halfway through the season.

Speaker 1 But the new year, and I'm staying cautiously optimistic now.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to start writing checks that I can't cash later on in the year.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but Caleb looked good at times, too.

Speaker 1 He did, but he also looked bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got the talents. We need the coaching and some of the other things to finally go in the right direction.
They're a dysfunctional organization through and through.

Speaker 1 So just trying to get out of our own way for once.

Speaker 9 What do they have as receivers?

Speaker 1 DJ Moore, Roma Dunze, probably maybe draft someone.

Speaker 6 So we'll see.

Speaker 5 It will be good.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe get a running back. I don't know.

Speaker 10 Who would you want in the draft?

Speaker 9 You know, I haven't been, I've been, I was in London for the last several months. I normally follow the draft like months in advance, but I don't know much about it this year.

Speaker 1 It stinks.

Speaker 6 So you're not, you're not, you're not off.

Speaker 5 Like, it's not a good draft.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, what do the Vikes need? I think it's maybe a safety after Harrison leaves. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Malachi Starks.

Speaker 9 Malachi Starks. Georgia would be good.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 6 What were you doing in London?

Speaker 9 I was directing a movie called Preschool.

Speaker 5 Oh, okay. That's cool.

Speaker 9 About these two dads who are fighting to get their kid into this last spot in this

Speaker 10 preschool. Do you like directing? Is that a nice change of pace?

Speaker 9 I do. It is all-encompassing.
It is

Speaker 9 very time-consuming and it's a lot of work, but it is a lot.

Speaker 9 It's a lot of fun because you get to kind of

Speaker 9 tell the story the way you see it.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know, I think that that is something I've always wanted to do.

Speaker 9 You know, I couldn't just do that because I really like spending time with my family too. And when you're doing that, you pretty much

Speaker 9 belong to the whatever production it is. But

Speaker 9 it is a lot of fun. The movie's turning out great.
It's funny.

Speaker 1 I love that premise for a movie because I don't, you know,

Speaker 1 we are back in Chicago now, but when we were living in New York and my youngest was two in brooklyn we we like went to a he had to do like an actual interview for a preschool oh yeah and they and they denied him and i was like what did he do wrong like did he he's two how is this possible but that's how it is he got rejected yeah he got rejected at two did he bring a copy of his resume so he did when we went to the interview um it was kind of right around uh like right after covid so we did it outside and he did trip when we were like walking up and i actually think that might have been what did it.

Speaker 10 You can't have a clumsy kid.

Speaker 6 Like, because I don't know what else you judge a two-year-old.

Speaker 10 Yeah, the principal's like, that smells like a lawsuit.

Speaker 5 He's like, this is crazy. How did it? He bit somebody, didn't he?

Speaker 9 He bit somebody.

Speaker 1 He did. He was never a biter, but I was just like, I was,

Speaker 1 I didn't ultimately care because it was like, this is a preposterous thing to have to do an interview for a two-year-old. But there was a part of me walking away being like,

Speaker 5 what the fuck?

Speaker 1 How do you deny a two-year-old?

Speaker 5 I was like a little pissed off.

Speaker 20 But that's how competitive those schools are.

Speaker 5 Boy, it's your boy, right? Yeah, it's my boy.

Speaker 5 Bullshit.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's, you know, when I had, when I had kids, I never thought that I'd get caught up in all of it, but you can't help but to,

Speaker 9 you know, because,

Speaker 9 you know, where I grew up, there was no private school. We just, everybody went to public school.
And when I had my first son, you know, getting into,

Speaker 9 I figured he's going to be fine. He'll go to the public school down the street.

Speaker 9 And sure enough, when it came time where we were getting caught up in the whole thing of, you know, will he get into this school? He would get into that school. And sure enough, there we are.

Speaker 9 So, um, I think that it's

Speaker 9 it's a premise that a lot of people who have kids or know people who have kids will

Speaker 9 find uh funny and relate to in some way. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Is it tough to not micromanage the actors while you're directing? As an actor, I feel like I would, I would always want to give like advice, or here's here's how I would do that scene.

Speaker 9 It is a tricky situation, right? Because

Speaker 9 on the one hand, you're an actor with them. You're you're you're you're you're working together.
This is one of your

Speaker 9 uh you know one of your mates, and then you have to turn around and say, like, hey, could you do that a little bit differently? You could never do that if you're just acting. Right.

Speaker 9 You know, I can never give him a note if it's just he and I in the scene together, but I

Speaker 9 so the key is just to find really, really good actors. And I got great ones.
I mean, when you shoot in London,

Speaker 9 it's just full of them. Like everybody's West End-trained and Shakespearean.
They just have all this education. So I was blessed with really, really good actors.

Speaker 9 And so I didn't necessarily have to give many notes other than just like sort of general stuff.

Speaker 9 I was the one who needed the notes, to be honest.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A dumb question about acting.

Speaker 5 How much of your

Speaker 1 like how many lines do you memorize at once? I'm always impressed by that because, like, we'll do stupid like social commercials or something.

Speaker 1 And I can't keep more than like two lines in my head at once. Like, at max.
So what do you do? Do you read? Do you have like pages and pages memorized?

Speaker 9 You know, well, I couldn't do what you do. I couldn't read off of paper.
I have to, I have to memorize them.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I can't, you know, I'm not a, I can never be a news anchor.

Speaker 9 but it's just a muscle that you get you just start to learn how to do it and it's just it's about

Speaker 9 honestly it's about remembering the the verbs and the adverbs and that connects the thoughts right that's how i do it right and then if it's a big speech

Speaker 9 i will learn that thing well in advance so when the time you know when the time comes to shoot it it's second nature.

Speaker 9 Some people can just look at it and know it and just go, but I've I've never been able to do that.

Speaker 1 So are you like when you go shoot on Ransom Canyon for like a day, do you have multiple pages already memorized in your head and you're just running around with those?

Speaker 1 Because I, yeah, like I don't think I could walk with that in my head.

Speaker 9 Well, it's not really the words as much as it is knowing because we shot, we literally shot 10 episodes. all out of order because we had ridiculous weather for the first

Speaker 9 four months we were shooting this thing.

Speaker 9 We were supposed to, you know, the scene called for a sunny meadow with

Speaker 9 wildflowers and we had two feet of snow.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 9 So we had to wait and push all that stuff to the end of the year. So we ended up shooting all these different episodes simultaneously.

Speaker 9 You know, we're shooting it, we're shooting, you know, episode 10 today

Speaker 9 and we're shooting episode three. Because we got to pick up a scene from three and we got to we're going to start whatever in the same location.
So

Speaker 9 so it's more about figuring out when,

Speaker 9 you know, where you are in the, in the, in the progression of the character's arc, you know, like what, what happened before this? What happened in episode four that made me say this in episode 10?

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 9 Um, and so that's really the hard part. It's not really memorizing the lines.

Speaker 9 It's just keeping everything straight and making sure that everything is going to track because you're shooting things four episodes ahead and you have to imagine what happened three episodes before that when you haven't even shot them yet.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 9 That becomes the most difficult part is to kind of track how you're going to perform things well in advance or something that happened three months ago.

Speaker 1 Another dumb question I guarantee you won't get today.

Speaker 1 What's the catering situation like on set? Do they vary it a lot so that you don't get bored with it?

Speaker 9 It's usually a fish and a chicken and a steak.

Speaker 5 Okay. But they're not like one day.

Speaker 1 Are they one day like, hey, Chinese?

Speaker 9 Actually, on Ransom Can, we had an amazing chef. Okay.
Wish I could remember his name now, but it was one of the best.

Speaker 9 It was one of the best

Speaker 9 catering companies I've ever had. They were just unbelievable.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, I mean, every day is different. It's like a whole spread.
I love it. No wonder you put on 10 pounds every time you go shoot.

Speaker 1 Any ice cream?

Speaker 9 Yeah, there's all kinds of, there's like several dessert options.

Speaker 5 Love that. That's incredible.
Love that. Yeah.
That should be an actor.

Speaker 9 How do you say no to it? These fresh cookies they make every day.

Speaker 10 If I was shooting a Western, though, I feel like I would only eat the steak. Yeah.
It feels like...

Speaker 5 Because you're a method actor. Exactly.

Speaker 10 I go full method.

Speaker 1 I like that. The idea of being like a Daniel Day Lewis, but only for food.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 9 You eat the steak that you grew out on the range.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm going to eat my steak and then, you know, to drink, I'll just have whiskey. Yeah.
Just neat. I'll just sip some whiskey.

Speaker 5 Be drunk the whole time.

Speaker 10 The nice thing about doing a Western, too, is you get to wear the hat, the cowboy hat. I feel like that helps a lot with acting.

Speaker 10 You can be very emotional, like you know, taking the hat off, tugging on the bill of the hat. Did you?

Speaker 9 It is a valuable crutch.

Speaker 10 Yeah, did they were there like notes in the script? Like, at this point, you're gonna like adjust your hat, or was that all feel?

Speaker 9 No, that's all, that's all me, man.

Speaker 5 Yeah, oh, hell yeah, that's where you're the best, hell yeah, the best hat actor in the world. Hell yes.

Speaker 9 The show does really look amazing. I mean, they did a beautiful job.
Uh, the show is it's it's it's beautifully shot. You know, Minka and the cast are fantastic in it.
Um,

Speaker 9 I think that people are really going to dig it.

Speaker 6 I really do. I'm excited.
So, uh, I have one last question for you.

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Speaker 1 Go see Ransom Canyon, Netflix, not go see, just turn it on at home. Netflix, April 17th.

Speaker 1 Tell us one to ten

Speaker 1 how hot you looked in this show.

Speaker 9 Pretty hot. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 I mean, I saw the trailer. You looked pretty hot.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 9 you put a tight pair of Wranglers on this ass.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And it's pretty hot.

Speaker 1 You had like the, there was one look that you had maybe the jacket, like the jean jacket with like the...

Speaker 5 like the the fur the fake fur underneath and i was like damn josh is putting he's putting some looks out there for this show.

Speaker 15 Some looks out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are.

Speaker 11 You were serving some.

Speaker 10 You knew that you were. Yeah, you knew you were on one.
You're like, I'm going to get on this horse.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Take my time.

Speaker 5 I'm going to rock.

Speaker 10 Howdy, ma'am.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Josh, anytime you want to come back on, man, we love having you on.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 1 we're going to, we're going to watch this. And anytime you're in Chicago, stop by.
We'll come up with some random game we can compete against you with.

Speaker 9 All right, boys. Go check out, go get, go check out Gatlin.com.

Speaker 5 Okay. Okay.
What's that?

Speaker 10 What's that? Like the gun?

Speaker 9 Just a little thing that I got going.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'll do that next time. Okay, love it.
You guys. Give us a little homework.

Speaker 5 The hottest teacher I ever had.

Speaker 10 But if the apocalypse happens, like I'm going to your cabin, just know that.

Speaker 9 All right. You're welcome.

Speaker 9 You got to be able to contribute, though.

Speaker 10 I almost feel like you're...

Speaker 9 Or medical or building or farming. Podcasting.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 23 The world will need takes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we're a podcast economy here.

Speaker 1 So we'll bring the podcast and then you'll have that cover.

Speaker 10 I feel like Josh is inviting us out there so he can eat us. He just said like he doesn't know how to hunt.
He's like, yeah, you guys can come out.

Speaker 3 We'll just show up and he's like, who are you guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll show up to your front door with a microphone being like, see, remember us?

Speaker 5 Podcast.

Speaker 21 Living off the fat of the land.

Speaker 5 That's right.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 1 Thanks so much, Josh. Appreciate it, man.

Speaker 6 See ya.

Speaker 9 Hey, boys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fire Fest of the Week. Henry.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're up. Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 18 Fire Fest of the Week. I, I mean, it's not really a Fire Fest because I survived, but we did the KFC Dunk It Challenge Dunk Contest here on Wednesday.

Speaker 18 and one of the contestants asked he's like hey can i jump over you for one of the dunks he was a big awl and i felt bad saying no and i you know he was jumping pretty high so i trusted him

Speaker 18 and so i had to you know stand with i didn't even see him coming up my back was

Speaker 18 like he was running towards my back so i couldn't see anything i just had to hold the ball above my head first time he tried it he like landed on my neck And I was like, all right, did he dunk it?

Speaker 18 Did not dunk it. So then he asked me to move back.
I had to do it again. Second time was even worse.

Speaker 18 I felt like I basically was holding him on my shoulder for a second, missed again. And then he was like, we got to do it a third time.

Speaker 23 And he missed again.

Speaker 18 I survived, but it was

Speaker 20 not great.

Speaker 18 It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 18 Could have gone a lot worse.

Speaker 1 Did it give you any respect for Dunkers?

Speaker 18 So much respect for Dunkers. These guys were jumping out of the gym.

Speaker 18 Very inspirational. I got a lot of work to do to get on their level.

Speaker 23 But yeah,

Speaker 18 it was cool to see some real athletes in this office.

Speaker 10 What? What does that mean?

Speaker 18 It was cool to see some real athletes able to do some cool athletic feats in this office.

Speaker 1 The fuck?

Speaker 5 They're not real athletes? No.

Speaker 5 God, no.

Speaker 10 I thought you did a terrible job judging.

Speaker 18 Yeah, you were chirping me from the cheap seats.

Speaker 18 Man in the arena, as a wise man once said.

Speaker 10 Well, no, you were judging men in the arena, and you were doing a bad job judging judging the men in the arena.

Speaker 18 Right, but men in the arena, you weren't in the arena judging. You were chirping the man in the arena who was judging the men in the arena.

Speaker 10 And I was in the arena because I was judging you.

Speaker 18 You were in the nosebleeds chirping the man who was actually in the arena who was judging the men in the arena.

Speaker 10 I thought you did a poor job on awarding scores. I thought that your scoring system was well.

Speaker 18 Yeah, well, next time you're a dunk contest judge, for I don't know.

Speaker 24 I mean, well, for Hank, cool dunking,

Speaker 10 you should be amazed that anybody's able to dunk, given your performance last year. Everything should be a 10.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was impressive. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I wanted to give my guys room to grow.

Speaker 1 That's huge of you. Yeah.
Yeah. All right, PFT.

Speaker 10 My Fire Fest, well, number one, Firefest 2.0 has been postponed. So that's kind of a Firefest.

Speaker 18 My Firefest is your tweet about the Fire Fest 2.0.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so I also. Also, Mr.

Speaker 1 Beast, by the way, is like doing his own Firefest right now.

Speaker 10 I saw that. There's a Beast Con out in Las Vegas that Mr.
Beast didn't show up to. So now everybody's in the lobby of the hotel being like, yo, where's Mr.
Beast? Waiting in the Beast Con. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Which I don't know what you say or do if you go to a Beast Con in general. Do you just like meet people in the lobby and you're like, so do you, do you like Mr.
Beast too? Yeah.

Speaker 10 I don't, I don't get Beast Con. Anyways.
You remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 How long could you have stayed in the supermarket?

Speaker 10 Yeah, probably a little bit longer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think you could have been locked underground for 30 days for a million dollars?

Speaker 10 If I was locked in that room, I would have found ways to make the canned chicken taste different.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, what Hank's alluding to is I offered up the Barcelona Chicago office for Firefest if they need a new location because it sounds like the government of Mexico wasn't playing ball.

Speaker 5 Oh, we're getting double booked right now.

Speaker 10 Okay. So why?

Speaker 1 On the ACC, we offered up the Chicago office for John ArbuckleCon.

Speaker 5 Arbuckle Fest.

Speaker 10 Oh, from Garfield. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 2 Because Garfield gets all the shine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But Arbuckle. Nothing.

Speaker 1 Why not have a festival for him?

Speaker 10 He was a great dude. Yeah.
But yeah, Firefest, if... We could do it together.
Listen, Billy McFarlane, I consider him to be

Speaker 10 an acquaintance. We're friendly with each other.

Speaker 10 I've offered it to him. If he would like to accept, I think we could do a good job hosting Firefest 2.0 here.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 10 What do you think, Hank? I hate it.

Speaker 23 I hate that idea. Why?

Speaker 1 Are you in for Arbuckle Fest?

Speaker 5 I guess.

Speaker 5 Not really. Not really.
If we had to pick one of the two.

Speaker 18 If we're being honest, if I had to pick one of the two, Arbuckle Fest.

Speaker 10 Why are you so out on one of the premier concert destinations in the history of the world? Have you not seen the Phoenix package? It's at $1.5 million for a ticket.

Speaker 24 For For one ticket? For a ticket.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's a great ticket. All right.

Speaker 24 Maybe once Billy

Speaker 18 gives us the rev share, we can look into it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, let's talk, Billy.

Speaker 18 My other fire. This is an office space for people to

Speaker 5 work.

Speaker 1 Our buckle fest is going to be like four dudes.

Speaker 14 That's kind of like, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
My other fire.

Speaker 10 My other fire fest of the week is that apparently all the boys are on a softball team. All the boys are on a softball team.
We have been.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I found out today Max came into the studio and he was like, we won our softball game last night. I was like, sick.
And then he started to give me the box score. And he's like, yeah, Big Cat did this.

Speaker 10 Hank did this. Memes did this.
Pug was a manager. Shane's on the team.
So everyone, part of my take, is on the softball team. And I didn't even know about it.

Speaker 1 It's not my softball team, by the way. It's not mine either.
I forced myself on it. We talked.

Speaker 18 When you say we didn't know about it, we talked about it a lot last year.

Speaker 5 We did talk about it a lot last year.

Speaker 10 I knew that they played on the the softball.

Speaker 17 The reason Big Cat is on the street on the battlefield.

Speaker 14 You're just mad that Big Cat's on the softball.

Speaker 5 Were you on the softball team last year?

Speaker 24 Yes, before Big Cat was on the team, you didn't care.

Speaker 1 I just got...

Speaker 1 How did I even get at it?

Speaker 17 We had a game that we didn't want to go to. That's right.
And you were like, put me in the group chat. I'll say you can't go.
Right. And then you stayed in the group chat.

Speaker 17 And then when we started to talk about it for next year, you're like, I'm in. I'm in if we played this in if we played 16-inch.

Speaker 1 So I forced my way in.

Speaker 10 So 16-inch softball is awesome. But it was.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, I'm sure it is.

Speaker 1 For the record, it was, they they were all on the team last year.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 18 We talked about it on this show. A lot.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 I knew that you guys had a team.

Speaker 1 I knew that for sure. Correct.

Speaker 5 And you want me to be off the team?

Speaker 10 No, I don't want you off the team. I think I have no choice but to just put together my own team and beat the fuck out of you guys.

Speaker 17 Should join K Dix got a team.

Speaker 5 Kadix got a team.

Speaker 10 There's a team just of ringers. Kdix got a team.
And just dominate you.

Speaker 1 May 7th.

Speaker 17 But me and Big Hat both won't be at that game.

Speaker 10 By the way, I was upset. The real reason I was upset is I'm definitely so much better than Hank at softball.
I don't think so.

Speaker 10 I'm definitely so much better than Hank at 16-inch softball.

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 10 I guarantee you. This sounds like

Speaker 17 we're going to have to film something.

Speaker 5 I know you both very well.

Speaker 1 Hank's better than you at softball.

Speaker 10 I can hit a golf ball like 50 yards further than him.

Speaker 21 That's a fair point.

Speaker 24 That's a true point.

Speaker 1 But Hank's better at softball.

Speaker 10 I can slap singles. Hank's faster than Hank.

Speaker 5 Good at softball.

Speaker 23 How good are you?

Speaker 13 He's pretty good.

Speaker 5 I mean, he played in

Speaker 1 first base last night.

Speaker 10 What order did you hit? That's Pug.

Speaker 18 Pugs, that's the order. I hit seventh.
I did hit a dinger, two singles. I mean, I had a bomb.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he locked down first base.

Speaker 5 He did really good yesterday. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, we played softball in New York. Yeah, we did.
And I was better than you there, too. That's true.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was awesome.

Speaker 10 I was hurt. I had a broken foot.
That's true.

Speaker 6 Pretty much. What did he say about what I did on the mound?

Speaker 10 Well, he came in.

Speaker 5 Max gave me. Excited.

Speaker 10 Max gave me like a full post-game report. Yeah, about everything.

Speaker 5 Vibes were high.

Speaker 10 And I was like listening to it at first. I was like, okay, Big Cat was a good pitcher.
Hank did good. I was like, cool.
And then he proceeded to name everybody on part of my team.

Speaker 5 Be on the team. Why not?

Speaker 20 I'll put you on the text show.

Speaker 10 No, well, then Max was like, Do you want to play in a game? I was like, No, that's what I said.

Speaker 5 Not anymore.

Speaker 6 But I just forced myself on the team.

Speaker 1 So you should just force yourself on the team.

Speaker 12 No, I'm out for blood now.

Speaker 11 I want you on the team. I'm taking this personal.

Speaker 10 We can. This is going to be the biggest mistake.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 You're definitely better than some people on the team.

Speaker 5 That's fact. All right.
I want names.

Speaker 10 Who am I better than? Tom Lay.

Speaker 5 That's fucked up.

Speaker 21 He's going to be so mad.

Speaker 1 I only played one game with Tom Lay. He had three errors in the first inning.

Speaker 1 I gave up one earned run, two unearned.

Speaker 6 The two unearned was because he dropped three consecutive balls for a force out at second pace.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 2 But I love Tom.

Speaker 5 But he made you look better than him.

Speaker 10 He made your stat line look worse.

Speaker 5 Well, no, I only gave up one earned run. Okay.
I gave up one earned run.

Speaker 1 We won 17 to 6, and you'd be like, how the hell did we give up six with only one earned run? Hank did pitch the last inning. He gave up three runs.

Speaker 10 Okay, so Hank made your stat line appear worse.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, Camp Barstool last summer was sucking up fly balls in the outfield, like a vacuum.

Speaker 14 So you should. This is awkward.
I'll say it. Just go for it.

Speaker 5 This is awkward. Why? I don't feel like awesome.
I don't feel awkward. Go for other guys.

Speaker 1 I'll give you a list of the guys you're better than.

Speaker 10 Why does Hank feel awkward?

Speaker 5 I don't know. You are.

Speaker 10 No, I'll mash some taters.

Speaker 2 Also, I only saw Tom play one game.

Speaker 6 He could be way worse than that.

Speaker 5 He hit well. He did hit well.
He hit well. He hit well.

Speaker 1 But it's also 60-inch.

Speaker 6 Like, we can have,

Speaker 6 we need more guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 13 there's going to be lots of games that people are playing.

Speaker 10 I'm out on this team.

Speaker 6 I did feel like young again.

Speaker 1 Playing

Speaker 1 softball. It took me back to my 20s.
I'm pumped. I got the green light to play in more games because I was going to initially not play in any games that were 6.30 or 7.30.
I now get 7.30.

Speaker 17 There's only one 6.30 game.

Speaker 1 Love it. I'll be out.

Speaker 5 Not going to play say that.

Speaker 17 I played the whole team with Stoolies yesterday. Oh, yeah.
They're going to be so fired up listening to this right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they suck. They sucked.

Speaker 17 You who are listening right now,

Speaker 17 thank you for giving us our confidence because you guys were really bad.

Speaker 5 Yeah. How many games did you guys win last year? In the summer, we won zero.

Speaker 17 Summer, yeah.

Speaker 18 Summer was tough because scheduled.

Speaker 5 Summer was a disaster.

Speaker 18 Summer was a joke. I will say for this.

Speaker 18 I honestly thought I was never playing with this team again. 16-inches.
12-inch. I almost died in the last game I pitched.

Speaker 1 So, this is

Speaker 1 how I really got on the team, PFT, was when they were like, were playing again, and I was still on this group chat, which is kind of awkward that I'm on this group chat because they'll be like, anyone want to meet up at a bar on a Saturday night?

Speaker 1 And I'll just be sitting there with my kids being like, yeah, I do, but no.

Speaker 6 But anyway, they started the group chat and they're like, we're going to sign up to play softball again.

Speaker 1 And I just... like basically heavy-handed, I was like, if you play 16-inch, I'm in.
And then I started paying off people on the team to say they'd play 16-inch. And so then that's how I got in.

Speaker 6 Because I would not have played for 12-inch.

Speaker 1 I would have absolutely not played. So you should just, I'll add you to the group chat.
No, I should just be like, I'm in.

Speaker 10 Again, I don't want a pity spot on this roster. I'm doing my own team.

Speaker 1 It's not a pity spot.

Speaker 10 I'm doing my own team. And we're going to beat the fuck out of you guys.

Speaker 6 It's not a pity spot.

Speaker 10 Texting Kadish right now.

Speaker 5 Well, that wouldn't be your own team.

Speaker 1 That would be Kadish's team.

Speaker 10 I don't care.

Speaker 17 We also, me and Big Cat both won't be at that game. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But Hank will. So

Speaker 5 you're already ducking me. Hank will be pitching.
Yeah. Okay.
So Hank will be be pitching.

Speaker 6 Hank will be pitching in that game.

Speaker 10 You're going to get shelled, Hank.

Speaker 5 Bring it.

Speaker 20 Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 10 What's really going to be awkward is the day after that, after I take you deep three times.

Speaker 5 I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 The Stoolee that was pitching against us, I did talk to him after. I gave him some tips.
I think he's going to be. I think he has the makings of a good pitcher.
He just needs to.

Speaker 1 I was doing the hop step, and they were getting so.

Speaker 6 They're like, why does he keep doing that?

Speaker 10 The backspin fucks you up.

Speaker 1 And I was standing like behind the left-handed hitters.

Speaker 7 But,

Speaker 1 yeah, I feel young again. I feel like I missed playing softball, especially 60 inches.
60 inches is the best game created.

Speaker 17 It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 14 It's so much fun.

Speaker 1 It was 40 degrees.

Speaker 18 So much fun.

Speaker 17 The Stoolis that we played very bad.

Speaker 5 We had a blast.

Speaker 17 So that's why.

Speaker 6 They were worse than Tom.

Speaker 5 To put it in perspective.

Speaker 1 How mad is Tom going to be?

Speaker 5 Oh, really?

Speaker 17 He's so upset. Oh, it's going to be great.

Speaker 5 We might leave the group test.

Speaker 12 Should we bleep his name out? No.

Speaker 17 You can't.

Speaker 10 Or he's going to be like, I I know it's me. I know they're talking about me.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it really couldn't be

Speaker 22 no.

Speaker 1 Maybe TJ, but no, he's fine. He was, he played well.

Speaker 15 He was the catcher.

Speaker 7 I want you on the team, PFT.

Speaker 5 I'll leave this team.

Speaker 12 No, this is on your team.

Speaker 10 This is now my.

Speaker 10 It's good to have a quest.

Speaker 1 It is true, though, and I've did have a full team that we talked about a lot last summer.

Speaker 5 Like, no one talked about it non-stop.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, but that was like you guys. That was all the producers.
It still is.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 it still is.

Speaker 1 It was just the addition of me by forcing my way in because I was like, I want to play 16-inch again.

Speaker 1 The team hasn't changed.

Speaker 5 I asked you to play last summer, too. Oh, no.
We needed guys. Oh, no.
We had to settle for Jake.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 20 Now it is awkward, Hank.

Speaker 12 I don't remember that.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 22 We had to get Jacob and he was just smoking cigarettes in the outfit.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, PFT. I don't remember.

Speaker 10 I must have had something going on. Because you know me, I love 16-inch softball.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 23 No, it was 12-inch last summer.

Speaker 17 You probably would have come to post-game beers.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I definitely would have. Yeah.
Post-game beers. I mean, the group chat sounds like a lot of fun, too.
Group chat's good.

Speaker 5 It's not.

Speaker 17 The group chat's so fun.

Speaker 15 They just do like birthday parties, male birthday parties. It's weird.

Speaker 5 You got another split. That was what I was doing.
No, there's at least two.

Speaker 1 There's at least two birthday party, male birthday parties in that group chat.

Speaker 5 And every time I was like, what? They're like, well, I'm having a birthday party.

Speaker 1 It was Quiggs and

Speaker 6 Pug. They both had birthday parties.

Speaker 5 Pug did not have a birthday party.

Speaker 1 Both times I was like, this is fucking weird.

Speaker 17 Quigs had a birthday party, but he was turning 30. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Seven birthday parties a year.

Speaker 5 At 30, you get a birthday party. Okay.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 1 My firefest was going to be that I'm sore from softball. So that's awkward.

Speaker 5 That sucks.

Speaker 10 Yeah. But

Speaker 1 my real Fire Fest is, well, it's a good thing, but that

Speaker 1 part of the internet I didn't really know existed.

Speaker 1 So I got into card collecting for two days this week, and I pulled a 86 rookie, not his rookie season, but the rookie card, Michael Jordan, which is like an elusive card that's worth, could be worth like 20 grand.

Speaker 1 And then I had the entire card community come after me and they do not like me and they are fucking losers.

Speaker 10 That's not a good part of the internet. No.
Card collecting is something that I respect.

Speaker 10 Guys, you have to have hobbies. If you really love it, that's cool.
I hope you enjoy it. It's something that has never appealed to me.

Speaker 1 It's every niche hobby.

Speaker 6 It's not like the majority of people who are card collecting for the fun and love of it.

Speaker 1 It's the gatekeepers. The guys who are like, actually, this, I mean, you can guess who chimed in.

Speaker 1 Our esports correspondent, Darren Revell

Speaker 7 and his Clit network.

Speaker 1 But they were all coming after me, upset, angry, mad, saying it was an ad deal that I had planted. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, the card community has kind of forced my hand. I'm like

Speaker 1 75% chance I'm just going to end up eating this card. And when I say eating, literally eating this card.

Speaker 10 You should also just. You guys can all have a bite.
You should do like very, very obviously planted great cards that you pull out and keep trying to say that they're real. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And just to troll them, just to be like, fuck you.

Speaker 6 They already think that.

Speaker 1 So it's like, they already think that I planted this card.

Speaker 10 I did pull a

Speaker 10 sick Gremlin card the other day, though. Oh, hell yes.
George Mogwai. Yeah.
Pretty good from the Gremlins 2 movie. I think it's worth like three bucks.

Speaker 16 Hell yes.

Speaker 10 The best part about old packs of cards is the 30-year-old chewing gum that comes with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's like a very elusive Michael Jordan rookie card that has the chewing gum attached that's like rated as zero, but it sold for a lot because.

Speaker 10 What does that mean, rating? Because I keep hearing people say you can rate anything.

Speaker 1 It's PSA rating. I don't know what they do, how they do it.
I just know that if it comes back

Speaker 1 an eight, it's probably worth 10 grand. If it comes back at nine or a ten, which it won't, it could be worth like 40, 50 grand.

Speaker 18 It's like the guys in Pond Stars.

Speaker 20 When they just take it, they're like, eh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like the corners. 20 grand.
It's the cut, which I didn't realize because back in 1986, it was literally a guy at Fleer smoking a cigarette, just cutting the cards. Love that.
So, like,

Speaker 1 I think my card is a little off-center, people were saying. I don't know.

Speaker 10 But I thought error cards are worth more, like the Billy Ripken fuckface card.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but this is like, it's the correct card. It's just like a little bit not perfect.
Okay. So, I don't know.
I'm, I'm, I was in the card collecting game for two days, and I pulled that.

Speaker 1 And I guess I pulled the Charles Barkley rookie card, too, which decent and a Hakeem rookie.

Speaker 5 It's pretty good.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Sounds fake.
It does sound rigged. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Sounds very rigged.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 Shane.

Speaker 6 Our boy Shane.

Speaker 1 He's got a piss. Hank's got a piss.

Speaker 10 You've been peeing a lot recently, Hank.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what's up with that?

Speaker 18 I've just been hydrated.

Speaker 23 But yeah,

Speaker 18 I shouldn't have to pee this often.

Speaker 10 Do you have a kidney stone? Maybe. You are next.

Speaker 1 Shane, can PFT play in your spot next week when you're in Italy? Of course.

Speaker 5 Love that. Don't

Speaker 6 I refuse.

Speaker 1 Shane, you're going to Italy by yourself.

Speaker 6 Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 For how many days?

Speaker 32 Nine, but that counts tonight, which my flight's a red eye.

Speaker 1 And Shane, for everyone who doesn't know Shane, he's one of our very talented graphics guys. He created the famous A.

Speaker 17 Two years ago, yep.

Speaker 1 Shane, you've never been on an airplane, and you're going to Italy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Have you ever eaten Alfredo sauce?

Speaker 5 I have. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, I heard that you hadn't.

Speaker 11 So what's the plan?

Speaker 6 Solo traveling.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm I'm very intrigued and impressed.

Speaker 32 There isn't much of a plan. I like booked the flight like two months ago and I just got my Airbnbs like two days ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're doing an Airbnb solo?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Not doing the hostel. Do you speak Italian?

Speaker 23 I did Duolingo for a little bit, but like talk to me.

Speaker 32 I can order like a a coffee.

Speaker 5 All right, try it.

Speaker 32 Vore un cafe con zucaro. Perfavore.

Speaker 5 Oh, with sugar. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Sir, here is your cup of cum.

Speaker 1 Dude, don't make that mistake because they will give you cum.

Speaker 5 They're an island full of, or not an island, a

Speaker 1 peninsula?

Speaker 5 Are you going to

Speaker 5 peninsula full of perverts? Yeah.

Speaker 10 You got to talk with your hands more, too.

Speaker 10 They like to do constant sign language.

Speaker 12 Are you worried about the mob?

Speaker 32 I'm getting more worried about it, yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like there's some mob at AWLs.

Speaker 3 So maybe we could just be like, hey,

Speaker 14 he's our friend.

Speaker 10 Are they going to come back with like really stylish clothes?

Speaker 32 Do I have to check in with somebody?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I mean, we'll find out.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 1 if you're a mafia AWL specifically in northern Italy, let us know. So our boy can tap in.
Please.

Speaker 6 We'll give you some cash that you can give as a little

Speaker 1 safe travels.

Speaker 10 Yeah, who's the guy in Italy right now? Who's the Maxoma? Do you have to tap in with Maxoma?

Speaker 5 I don't know. Okay.
It's Latin, maybe?

Speaker 1 So what's the plan? You're going to go to a few different cities?

Speaker 32 Yeah, I'm going to check out some different cities. I'm going to go to an AC Milan game.
Hell yes. I actually, I just booked a tour for the Coliseum, but

Speaker 32 I booked it based off weather. And after I booked it, I looked at the weather I was looking at, and it was Rome, Georgia.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 23 I thought it was going to be 80 degrees in Italy, and it's going to be like thundering 55 degrees.

Speaker 6 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 All right. Well, be safe.

Speaker 10 Don't get kidnapped.

Speaker 7 Don't get kidnapped.

Speaker 1 We've already talked about that.

Speaker 10 If you do, it would be good for numbers, though.

Speaker 23 It would be. It would be good for numbers.

Speaker 10 Can you, before you go, can you make a graphic of your face, like behind bars that just says kidnapped?

Speaker 10 Just in case. Yeah, just in case.

Speaker 6 It will load it up as a draft.

Speaker 1 Just in case.

Speaker 1 And also maybe make one being like, Shane fucked.

Speaker 16 Just in case.

Speaker 1 And then a third that said Shane accidentally ordered come.

Speaker 10 Don't get into an Amanda Knox situation, though. They're very serious about that.

Speaker 1 God, that would be so good for downloads.

Speaker 10 It would be. Do we do True Crime? Yeah.
You become the new Britney Griner.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Pug.

Speaker 5 Pug.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you invite PFT on your softball team?

Speaker 5 I am not the owner.

Speaker 5 I am the team manager.

Speaker 1 What's the team name?

Speaker 19 The Ownager. The owner puts together the owner.

Speaker 5 Onagerager.

Speaker 10 The Ownager puts together the owner.

Speaker 1 What's the team name?

Speaker 5 The Pugs. Oh.
Who's the Ownager?

Speaker 6 Is he Joast?

Speaker 10 He sends invites, puts the roster together.

Speaker 19 I'm just the actor.

Speaker 17 The Pug

Speaker 17 will not look in the direction of PFT right now.

Speaker 14 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 It's blocked off by the.

Speaker 10 That's exactly what my dog does when he chews something else in the house.

Speaker 5 Bad boy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Newspaper hit you on the nose.

Speaker 17 Complete opposite direction.

Speaker 10 We just said, whose job is it? Everybody stared at the dog that did do it. The dog that did do it looks away.

Speaker 5 Hmm. It's not my fault.
Okay. No, it's okay.
It's all right.

Speaker 10 I'll see you in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we'll see you.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 1 Good show, boys. Let's do

Speaker 1 numbers, Shane. Get this right.

Speaker 1 77.

Speaker 14 17. 3.

Speaker 10 65.

Speaker 5 1.

Speaker 19 99. Pug.

Speaker 30 15. 2.

Speaker 6 Jack's not on the team.

Speaker 1 Nope. PFT.

Speaker 10 Jack's not? No. All right.

Speaker 5 And neither is Pug.

Speaker 5 This is. Manager.
Manager. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's called the Pug.

Speaker 5 I wasn't there last night. I'll be there.

Speaker 2 It's like 86.

Speaker 5 Don't been a fucker. 80s.
Oh, Jordan.

Speaker 12 MJ.

Speaker 5 I'm going to eat that part.

Speaker 10 Love you guys.