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On today's part of my take, we have

a lot.

We have Mount Rushmore season.

It is back.

We have the Mount Rushmore of words that start with M.

gets a little contentious, which is good.

We have Ryan Rosillo on to talk NBA draft.

A little cleanup from the NBA Finals.

We have Oklahoma City Thunder NBA champion Isaiah Hartenstein, and we are going to do FAQs and also talk about Hank Celtics

being dismantled and who's better, or sorry, hot seat chill thrones.

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welcome to part of my take presented by draft kings pick six pick six from draft kings the most fun way to play fantasy sports download the draft kings pick six app now use code take that's code take for new customers get a special signup offer better payouts bigger wins only with pick six from draft kings the crown is yours today is wednesday june 25th and boys it's mount rushmore season let's go it's mount rushmore season of the Did you guys see our good friend, friend of the program, Alex Caruso, at the Oklahoma City Thunder Championship Parade with a Mount Rushmore shirt on, all four of the heads being Alex Caruso?

That's old school.

That's awesome.

I like that a lot.

Alex Caruso for president.

Alex Crusoe for president.

So, yeah, the Thunder had their parade today.

It was funny watching

Chet Holming get really drunk.

How many beers do you think it takes Chet to get drunk?

I think it's like, I think he's a two can.

Yeah, I was going to say three, maybe four.

I think two beers and a cigarette.

And he's puking.

He was very drunk.

Mitchell Lobe Ultros.

Yeah, they were.

And the press conference was like, I got my Mitchell Loeb Ultras.

It's also just weird seeing a Gonzaga player win.

It is.

That's kind of strange.

Never been to a Final Four, never won an NBA championship.

Yeah.

Jalen Williams, I think, said that he had his first drink ever.

That's got to be the best.

I think we've done, you know, best beers on Mount Rushmore before, but having your first beer ever be after winning an NBA title has to fucking rule.

That's got to be kind of cool.

But then the hangover that he got, he seemed like he was never going to drink again.

Yeah, but do you remember like drinking your first beer and just being...

annihilated after one beer nobody that's got to be so much fun what i'm saying for him is he should not say he's never going to drink again oh yeah because you should drink just only when you win an nba championship yeah yeah like i'll see you next year beer he said he said i drank a little bit took a couple shots champagne i had a beer it was all disgusting i'm gonna stick to shirley temple he was ripping shots of champagne yeah i guess so damn it's pretty crazy also the thunder uh everyone gets a day i don't know if you guys saw this but the mayor of oklahoma city uh he gave every single person on the team a day so i don't know if you want to get your calendar out but alex crusso and loud are back to back july 24th and july 25th lou dort day alex cruso day That's very cool.

It's pretty crazy that everyone gets a day, though.

Even Clay Bennett got a day.

Well, Clay Bennett, listen, respect.

I would say every day is his day.

Respect to Clay Bennett.

Yeah.

What hasn't he accomplished so far in life?

A lot of respect.

Yeah, no, the parade was great.

I like to see a city that really gets behind a team like that.

Yeah.

You guys say?

We can celebrate Alex Caruso Day and the officers have everyone shave their heads, trip over the gauntlet, like see do their best version of what he did.

Yeah.

Win a ring that doesn't count.

He did say like i finally have a real one yeah he was joking i choose to but at the core of every joke yeah therein lies a serious truth i'd like to think that maybe he was thinking of us in that moment yeah

real one like alex cruso is now an nba champion yeah he is he's a one-time nba champion uh but yeah it was cool seeing we did also get the uh the classic online argument of is your parade worthy enough are there enough people at the aerial shot of your parade uh florida actually showed up pretty well for the Panthers, but Oklahoma City,

there were some people who were laughing at them.

I love that because it basically is admitting you're a loser, and you're going to basically say, All I have left is be like, you don't have enough people at your parade.

Well, you can also say, like, we have real jobs that we have to go to during the week.

True.

These are oil pumping hours in the middle of the day.

Now, when it comes to Oklahoma City, I want to give it a, we've given shout-outs to obviously Thunder, worthy of all the praise, Thunder Princes.

Brickman wasn't able to come on part part of my take.

He's a rocket scientist, so he's fielding a rocket science call.

But then there's also Delbert Jenkins, Oklahoma City Super fan.

And shout out Bunky Perkins, who always puts this on the timeline.

But Delbert Jenkins is the funniest NBA fan that I've ever seen with his flat top hanging on for dear life.

It's like a Lego falling off the back of his head.

Yep.

And this guy.

His name's Delbert.

His name is Delbert.

Delbert Jenkins.

And you have to say it like a Delbert.

And he is the man, and he is a world champion right now.

So I hope, Delbert, wherever you are, I hope you're having a good time celebrating.

I also have good news for you, boys.

I know that game seven was a bummer because Tyrese Halliburton got hurt, and it kind of robbed us of what we thought was going to be an all-time finish.

Do you guys want to guess how many people watched?

Million people watched?

How many millions of people watched?

3.8.

I'm going to guess because earlier it was 2.8 billion, right?

Game one.

I think this one took a back seat a little bit.

I'm going to go 3 million.

Okay.

16.35 million watched game seven.

Peaked at 19.28 million.

So congrats to us for watching something that other people watched.

I guess we know ball.

Feels good.

Feels good.

I guess we know ball.

It was, I believe, the highest NBA Finals game since Warriors Raptors in 2019, but it also was down 9.3%

from like last year.

The bottom line, nobody knows how to measure ratings anymore.

When it comes to the internet, when it comes to phones, we're all just kind of guessing.

Yeah.

5 billion views is what they're saying across all

social media platforms.

5 billion views.

5 billion.

Almost everyone in the world watches.

Up 215% versus last year.

It's pretty good.

Did they just tweet more?

Yeah.

Like that, you probably hit.

If you do that, you can do it.

Like if they're just like, hey, let's just flood the zone.

Yeah.

Flood the timeline.

Let's just get everything out there.

That's a good possibility.

The real NBA news, though, is, Hank, your Celtics, the championship team that you're on a duck boat with

pretty much almost a year to like the day.

Year to the day.

Two days ago.

Two days ago.

Is no more.

Chris Dopps gone.

Drew Holiday gone.

Are they done?

And also, how do you feel?

Celtics aren't done.

People are saying Brad Stevens fleeced the Trailblazers

for Anthony Simmons?

I really, I'm not going to say that that's true because I know

nothing, nothing.

I know that people online were telling me that he's better than Drew Holiday currently.

I don't necessarily believe that.

He is younger, so

I can buy in on that.

He's cheaper, and we got a ton of cap space because we're going to be paying Drew Holiday for the next four years.

Trailblazers are going to be paying money.

Drew Holiday, $40 million when he's 37.

So that's good.

It's sad.

It's just sad.

A year ago to the day I was on the duck boat, and this team felt like a core team that for the next three to four years,

we're going to be in the hunt.

We're going to be going for the championship again, repeat, even going into the playoffs.

It was like, we're going to repeat.

And so it did flip quickly where it's like, oh, shit, Tatum's hurt.

We kind of knew we were going to have to get rid of Drew Holiday or Porzingis, but after the injury, it was like, we're going to get rid of both of them.

We're going to rebuild.

And this is, you know, part of those process.

George Yang, I'm happy about that.

I'm happy about that.

So let me ask you this, Hank.

Are they done?

Are they done trading?

Yeah.

probably

not

i think brad stevens is i don't i don't

the other the other i i just i i really hope we keep derrick white i really hope we keep derrick white he's the other person that gets thrown around a lot i mean even jalen brown but i'm gonna say no i'm probably gonna say no and that scares me but yeah it should i feel like we're not done did you learn any lessons

good question have you learned a lesson have you learned any lessons from how you felt last year yeah have you learned any lessons to where you're at right now no no

this is this is

i learned my lesson it's this is why you enjoy every last second if you ever get a chance to to be in that spot you you live it up and you do it do it up because it might never happen again yeah that no so you did learn a lesson yeah i'm happy i did what i did can you grade each trade

uh the drew holiday trade i'll give a a b plus okay tell the truth and i i mean george yang is is you know boston guy local guy recurring guest AWL, minivan.

Great dude.

Great dude.

So I'm going to give that one an A.

Oh, okay.

So you guys did well.

So you hate Perzingas.

No, but

I like George a lot.

The important part of all of this is,

and you said it at the start.

Jeff Goodman said he loves George Yang to Boston.

Elite locker royal.

High IQ.

We'll give this others a shooter off the bench.

Just got to keep him out of the north end.

Jeff Goodman knows hoops.

Yeah.

The important part of all of this, though, was you buried the lead.

You did happen to see at least a couple tweets saying you guys fleeced the Blazers.

Yeah.

Then you're good.

That's it.

I thought a lot of times.

Oh, then you're good.

Everyone was like,

how did the Blazers let this happen?

As long as the first couple of replies were the same thing.

My remember was like, oh my God, fuck.

And then I went online and everyone was like, this is the best trade possible for the Cel Dexter.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, yeah.

Obviously.

All you need for a trade is for one of the top three replies to Shams or Schefter to be fleeced.

Dude, fleeced is my favorite reaction to any trade ever in sports because you can just say fleeced about it and you're going to be right because you're not saying which team got fleeced.

You say, man, fleecing.

And then like two years from now, I'll be like, look, I was right about the fleecing.

My favorite is seeing someone be like, fleeced.

And then under that, we'll be like, by who?

And then there'll be like immediate replies by like...

Portland fleece, the Celtics, the Celtics fleece, Portland.

It's just everyone has different, but fleeced.

Then you let them fight it out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As long as the fleecing occurred.

Yeah.

No, somebody, somebody got fleeced.

Yeah.

If you're not the one doing the fleecing, you're the one getting fleeced.

That's facts.

PFT, you got CJ McCollum.

We got CJ McCollum.

I'm pumped about that.

Huge.

The Wizards turning things around.

What?

That's sad.

Why?

For CJ.

What?

Playing on the Wizards?

Yeah.

You're trading away all your best friends, Hank.

Set this one out.

I mean, you did say when we're about to have the interview with Rascilla, you're like, when guys go and play on the Wizards, they like lose their love to play basketball.

Well, that's a fact in the past.

That could never happen with CJ.

That's happening in like one hour from now on the show.

When he puts the uniform on for the official team picture, he's just going to be like, man, I'm just here to cash a check.

That was like Chris Middleton picking up his option from the Wizards for $33 million.

It's like, yeah, no shit.

Yeah, of course he would.

Pat Conenton picked up his from the Bucks, and it was like, no duh.

Yeah, so I mean, I'm excited that I have a player on the Wizards that I really enjoy as a human being that I get to root for.

He does run our fantasy league.

So I hope Jerry O'Connell doesn't burn that bridge and make CJ hate me.

But yeah, I like CJ a lot.

I'm excited to watch him as a wizard.

I think there's a good chance that we might get Ace Bailey.

So, listen, I'm kind of slowly realizing that maybe the Wizards might not be complete dog shit over the course of the next two years.

There you go.

Yeah, I mean, listen, the Steal of the Draft will be

the Mavericks have already won the draft, which we're doing our draft preview with Rosillo in a minute.

But I don't know if you guys knew this.

Cooper Flag is like LeBron James and Kevin Garnett having a baby.

That's who said that?

Happy Pride.

Who said that?

You should both get this.

Skip.

No.

Colin Coward.

No.

ESPN.

You should both get it.

Scott Van Pelt.

Come on.

Oh, Stanford Steve.

No.

It's Kendrick Perkins, obviously.

Okay.

All right.

Carry the hell on.

LeBron James and Kevin Garnett having a baby.

I'm sure.

Get Cooper Flag.

If you had said, like, having a damn baby, I would have been like, Yeah, that's perk.

Yeah.

Not care the hell on.

Um, the only other thing I had was, uh, uh, I just love that Kevin Durant just keeps owning uh Emmanuel Acho, which is the best because Emmanuel Acho put out his uh legacy uh formula, which bro thought he did something.

The legacy formula, yeah, you didn't see the legacy formula.

No, but I got to prepare myself for this.

This is like, I feel like I'm Matt Damon walking through the halls of MIT and I'm stumbling across a blackboard.

Yeah, what's the formula?

So, just so we're clear, he there's a disclaimer here.

For clarity, legacy and talent are not the same.

Okay.

All right.

Just want to get you guys ready for that going in.

All right.

The legacy formula is championship, championships won divided by teams played for equals teams like team legacy.

That's legacy.

That's their legacy.

Yes.

That's it.

So Kobe Bryan has a legacy of five.

Tim, he played five.

He won five championships for one team.

Tim Duncan also has a legacy of five.

Then you go down the list.

Steph has a a legacy of four.

Kind of like that.

LeBron has a legacy of 1.3.

I like this.

Dirk has a legacy of 1, and Kevin Durant has a whopping legacy of 0.4.

Two championships, five teams.

He might have done something.

What about...

You think bro did something?

If you go to NFL.

Like, what does that mean for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady's legacies?

Yeah.

Jordan did it.

He ruined his legacy.

Go to the Whiskey.

He would have had a six.

Yeah, they actually don't have the legacy that we thought they won stayed.

They got divided in half.

That's a good formula.

It's a good formula.

No, Brady's legacy still stands up, though.

I just love the idea.

Three and a half is still higher than everyone else.

It's not higher than six.

But it's still more than six.

Mahomes can be found.

But Mannings goes cut in half.

But if Mahomes wins one more and stays with the Chiefs, he now has a higher legacy.

That's true.

So that's it.

I mean, that would Joe Montana.

Oh, no, he played for the Chiefs.

Yeah.

Okay.

I love the idea

of Emmanuel Acho sitting down at a table in a white lab coat like he's Oppenheimer, like coming up with this formula.

And he's like, no, no, it's all shit, crumpling up pieces, throwing it away, and coming out with a two-factor legacy authentication.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

So I'm glad that's good for sports.

Okay, but, all right, so you like the Emmanuel Acho legacy formula.

Can I interest you in a different formula?

Yeah.

Okay, here it is.

This is the great Kevin Durant's legacy formula.

Okay, and this is how this formula is decided.

This is from Kevin Durant.

According to the great Kevin Durant legacy formula that was created in the best labs at MIT, Emmanuel is the worst linebacker of all time.

You sure you want to listen to this guy about greatness?

That's what he came back with.

I love it.

That's good.

Good for Kevin Durant.

Kevin Durant's formula only rates one person, and it's Emmanuel Acho, and it's the worst.

Yeah, that's good.

Good for him.

This is such a sign we need football back.

We have legacy formulas dropping.

I'm very excited for football coming back.

Do you see Florio's thing?

Yeah, so

you explain.

All right, so last night Florio tweeted out, I expect some big news to be happening tomorrow.

As Mike Studd will do.

As Mike Studd does.

And I actually got a text from Mike last night being like, I'm glad that you saw this.

And then I was like, Mike, what are we talking about?

Like, is this...

Bengals related news?

Is this extension related news for some player?

And he was like, nope, it's a niche issue that not many will care about, but it will be earth-shattering.

And so I was like, okay, I can't.

Basically, he said, this is the greatest news for me personally, Mike Florio.

Yeah, like if Mike Florio had not been a part of this news happening,

this would be Mike Florio's dream story to cover as a journalist.

And then it came out this morning.

He went on the podcast with Pablo Torrey, and they got exclusive access to the league's collusion settlement that they had.

And they proved that the league actually was colluding against players after the Deshaun Watson signing, where he got so much guaranteed money that now the other owners got together and they're like, we're not paying these guys guaranteed money like that anymore.

Jimmy Haslam's a piece of shit.

We all have to agree that

we're not going to do that because it's going to fuck everything up.

So apparently at the center of this was Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, and I believe there was one other quarterback.

Lamar?

Yeah, and Lamar and Lamar Jackson.

Yeah.

So

I feel like Florio's all his theories, all roads always lead back to Lamar.

Back to Lamar.

And like his contract.

Yeah, it might.

It might.

But with

the Kyler Murray thing and

the fact that the owners are getting together to discuss, like, do not pay these guys fully guaranteed contracts.

I do think that that's a pretty big deal.

Yeah.

No, I do.

Like, it's big that all the teams who have an antitrust exemption to be getting together and discussing this.

But again, yeah, this is Mike Florio's dream story that he could possibly write about.

Right.

And he was also part of also dropping it on a summer Friday or Summer Tuesday.

It was like a Friday.

What day?

Oh, man.

Summer.

He dropped it in the summer.

He's far away from

the summer.

Mike, why'd you drop this news in the summer?

This news would have banged if it was November.

Look at his face right now.

A summer Friday.

Hey, Hank, I have a question, though.

Hank, it is Tuesday, brother.

I have a question, Hank.

If you dropped it on a Friday, what's the big deal?

That's still a weekday.

It's not like it's a weekend.

It's summer.

No one cares.

It's summer.

Summer, Friday.

Four, summer, summer.

Cut the Friday.

How did you get?

It's Tuesday.

That's Tuesday.

We are golfing.

We're doing the Ryder Cup.

There's not going to be any spoilers coming out later this, what, in August?

So that's why you're watching us in,

I don't even know what to describe.

Beautiful cabin.

A beautiful cabin.

What?

What was that, Max?

It's literally as far away from Friday as you could possibly be.

Yeah, actually.

It's either Monday or Tuesday are both as far away, equally as far away from Friday.

Yeah, Hank, where'd that come from?

Where'd the Friday part come from?

That was a bad ass.

Because we're golfing.

We're golfing.

I'm golfing.

Your brain goes to Fridays in summer.

Yeah, no, it's on me.

Hand up.

Hand up.

Hand up.

Delete that.

We're going to cut that.

We're basically playing maximum amount of golf this week for content for our jobs.

Yeah.

Hot seat cooled thrown.

Hank is very excited about that.

Did he just try to move us on?

Yeah, he did.

All right, well, we'll move on.

We'll move on.

But one last thing: Aaron Rodgers is

doing a retirement tour.

I don't know that he is.

He says he is.

Do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to get to this season and the Steelers make the playoffs and and then he's going to fade quietly into the sunset?

Probably not.

Like go buy a bungalow in Costa Rica?

Probably not.

I don't think he is.

Yeah, probably not.

I feel like he's just saying this maybe to gain favor from Steelers fans, being like, hey, I'm not going to torture you guys for too long.

I mean, what does that mean for his legacy, though?

Oh, man.

Two teams.

Yeah.

Well,

he's got a legacy of 0.3.

Yeah.

What about Benedict Arnold?

Zero championships, two teams.

That's crazy.

It's bad.

Yeah, he's a negative.

Although you can't divide by zero.

No, I think if you leave a team and then they immediately win after you leave and then your new team doesn't win anything, then that's negative.

That's negative legacy.

Brian Whitney.

Oh, fuck.

God damn it.

Hank, why would you bring him up?

Bryce Harper.

Shit.

Brian Whitney will be on the show on Friday.

I've confirmed that booking.

Not because

he's staying in a cabin with me in PFT.

And I said to him, Hank, can you come on Friday?

He said, yeah.

He is not looking forward to it.

He's not.

He's like, he said, what, so you can beat me up?

Yeah.

Like, yeah, dude.

I had a dumb thought.

This might be the dumbest thought.

Okay.

Maybe I've ever said.

Okay.

Yeah.

No, it's dumber.

Rollerblading from LA to San Diego was

taking a boat.

Taking a fan boat from New Orleans to Baton Rouge after LSU won a championship.

You're describing

it.

In the middle of the night.

Do you realize that?

Every word you say makes me sound cool.

As if LSU fans fans would be like, oh shit, PFT and Big Cat are here.

Now the party's.

Oh, it wasn't about the

journey, the fanboat journey.

It was about showing up on the fanboat.

But go ahead.

Yeah, so this might be the dumbest idea ever.

Deep in the second round of the NBA draft, let's just say the Pacers got the last pick in the second round of the NBA draft.

Maybe they're a little bit worried about selling tickets.

Oh, I know.

Where are you going with this?

Maybe a little bit worried about selling tickets.

This isn't dumb.

Next season.

This is not dumb.

Hallella Burton's not going to be back.

This is not dumb.

Why don't they draft Caitlin Clark?

This is not dumb.

This is not dumb.

I do not think this is dumb at all.

Put her in in like the late second half of a blowout, either way, maybe like a handful of games here or there.

Are they allowed to do that?

I know that you can pay her.

Yeah, I don't think this is dumb.

I think she'd sell tickets.

I do not think that's dumb at all.

Now, is she at the ability level to be an NBA player?

No, obviously not.

But sell tickets.

She can go.

Ball and hoop.

She can hit a couple threes.

Ball and hoop.

Hank, what do you think?

Floor space.

How dumb is that idea?

It would sell tickets.

It would sell tickets.

Yeah.

Like, honestly, the Wizards should draft her.

It would be so funny.

The Wizards should draft.

I'm going to say this right now.

The Washington Wizards second-round pick, whatever your last second-round pick is, draft Caitlin Clark.

Yeah.

You want people to go to your games?

That's, I mean, it's not a dumb idea.

So I'm throwing out the Rollerblades was dumber.

Zach, was that a dumb idea?

Kind of a solid game plan to sell some tickets, get Caitlin Clark in the building.

Sell some jerseys?

Yeah.

Definitely sell some jerseys.

Definitely, they're pumping merch.

They pick Kaylin Clark up.

Yeah, Pacers, Caitlin Clark jerseys would go crazy.

Dude, they would go hard.

Yeah.

That would be sick.

All right.

Hank, you want to do hot seats chill throne?

Or do you still think it's Friday?

No, let's do hot seats.

All right, hot seat, chill throne.

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You can't.

I was literally reading the ad and I saw Max giggling.

Like I saw

his body in the background giggling, and I started to giggle.

It's Friday, this guy.

I just can't believe that.

That's going to be an all-time.

That's going to be

the first thing.

It's so good.

It's so good.

It's bad.

I just started thinking about it.

I'm going to be giggling about it.

I probably

for sure.

I'm going to wake up tomorrow and try to get donuts.

That was worse than Billy asking Whitney, how was your weekend on a Tuesday?

On a Tuesday.

No, yes.

What are your plans for the weekend?

How was your weekend?

Yeah, how's your Saturday?

How was your Saturday?

Okay, I forgot that it was your Saturday.

Just as bad, though.

Hank, hot seat chill drone.

No, yeah, that made me never want to speak on this podcast again.

I think you're up.

I just, yeah.

Uh, my hot seed's uh, Jokic.

Yeah, yep.

Out of nowhere, basically, uh, the Nuggets owner was doing a press conference and said he, there's going to be a, there's a nightmare scenario where the wrong player gets injured and the season apron could force them to consider the possibility of trading Nikola Jokic.

What nightmare scenario is that?

You're talking about, yeah, it's just like basically like Jamal Murray gets what is oh no, will he get injured again, like every year?

That was mean.

Sorry, Jamal Murray, but that's I mean, that's basically like in the in the Celtics, you know, they were paying, they were doing the luxury tax.

Like, that's the Celtics did the same thing where the nightmare scenario happened and they had to deal with it.

They weren't talking about the nightmare scenario beforehand.

This guy completely unprompted.

They were like, Yep, it could happen.

Like, why would you do that?

I feel like on a summer Friday, yeah, I feel like he was in.

You don't try to take this back, don't try to repurpose it and make a joke out of it.

Do not.

It's Tuesday.

It's Tuesday.

It's fucking Tuesday, dude.

It's literally Tuesday.

I feel like he came from a meeting where they maybe

like some, like an accountant looked at it and was like, hey, if you traded Jokic,

so would Friday.

All right, that's our Jokic discussion.

Well, okay, I have a spin zone.

I got a cool throne.

Wait, wait, I got a chill throne.

I need a quick spin zone for that, though.

I got a chill throne.

If you're the GM of the night it your job is to literally think through nightmare scenarios right yeah not say him not say him but yes not say him do you know what i'm saying no i think he that's true it's good that it's good that you thought about it that's true just don't say it i think what happened was though i think he was literally in a meeting right before the press conference with like an accountant like the the head of payroll and it was like can you just give me a like show me what we got right now yeah and he saw yokish at the top he's like oh well

and then it just came out i I think his job, a good GM should be thinking.

It's not GM, owner.

Josh Crunky.

Okay.

Who said this?

Owner.

A good

owner, if they're in lockstep with their GM, should be thinking through all the worst case scenarios.

They should have a plan for whatever happens.

I think maybe he had a meeting where they were going through the worst case scenarios, and that scenario stood out to him so much, he's literally had nightmares about him.

It has become a nightmare scenario for him.

And so now he's just like thinking about it non-stop.

So he had to he had to say it you should not say that never but you should think about it never say it

never never

my chill throne

tight end university yeah yeah taylor swift they got taylor swift t swifty wow she was at we were we were at this or no i don't think you guys came me and billy were at this party we were upstairs we were at this party two years ago

Would we have gotten the invite if we were there this year?

Oh, it could have been you.

I think it might have.

We did get the invite this year.

But we'll, yeah.

I think us not going maybe.

That's what I, I was, that was, that was my first reaction.

I think there might be a chance to, like, oh, yeah, the party.

If we were there, would she have gone?

Yes.

And how would it have gone for us?

Correct.

Yes.

Yes, she would have gone.

I think there's a.

But they would have, they would have

closed.

We would have been put in a corner.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We would have probably been given like a fake.

I also think we would have borderline knockout invited.

Yeah, we might have been given a fake location.

Like, oh, yeah, the party's over here.

But that's a huge, huge.

Is she doing drills with him?

Yeah.

I don't know.

It's crazy.

It's a crazy, crazy get.

Yeah, it is.

I might even, dare I say, I think Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift are officially dating in my eyes.

That's huge.

Yeah.

People forget the other part of that clip was me saying if she ever goes to TEU.

Have we seen video evidence of her at TEU or just pictures?

I believe that.

I assume there's video evidence as well.

I'll find it.

Well, Hank gets caught with a lot of questionable video evidence.

True.

Did you see the dog scuba diving?

Yeah.

That was sick.

This is a big bubble.

And the shark came up and hit him.

And the cat's off the diving board.

Yeah, that was sick.

That one was real.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

PFT, your hot seat, Chiltern.

My hot seat is Antonio Brown.

Oh.

Antonio Brown's on the hot seat.

We didn't talk about this.

Dude is on the run right now because he's wanted for attempted murder.

That's not good.

But Antonio Brown has done a great job of just putting so much weird shit out there that the attempted murder thing kind of just gets lumped in with all the other stuff that he's done.

Right.

Where you're jacking off in a pool in front of a family.

Yeah, I remember that one.

Where you're spray painting your mustache gold and then touching knees with Jeff Darlington.

The jack-off pool one, was that in like Abu Dhabi or something?

Like a country where it's where you're allowed to jack off in a family.

No, no, no, no.

I'm not saying that, but I feel like there was something where it was like he was in a foreign country, so that's why people were like, oh, whatever.

whatever i feel like in abu dhabi they would they would i agree i agree i can't remember where it happened but yeah so antonio brown for me he is uh he's accused of attempted murder for firing a gun after whatever that that stream fight was i didn't have i didn't have the attention span to really dig into who was at that fight um but yes aiden ross aiden ross yeah yeah so he's he's on the run

And he's also still tweeting.

Well, he's on the run.

Well, his account is.

His account is still tweeting.

Yes.

But he's still posting.

Like, there's been videos and stuff.

At some point, Antonio Brown is going to give away his location, right?

Yeah.

It was Dubai.

It was Dubai.

Dubai.

Okay.

Like, when

who was it?

Was it Andrew Tate that gave away his location by like posting a selfie video of him?

I think it was like a pizza box.

And there's a pizza box in the background that's like it's only Antonio Brown is going to do that exact same thing.

He's going to make it easier.

He's going to make it way easier.

He's going to just post, he's going to post himself up at like a very well-known place.

Yeah, in front of the Eiffel Tower.

He's in Times Square.

Yeah.

So, yeah, Antonio Brown, hot seat.

And then my cool throne is my fear of heights.

Chill throne.

Chill throne is my fear of heights.

Because on the plane ride here, shout out to the pilot that we had today.

He let me sit up front.

I was basically like a five-year-old that he let into the cockpit.

And he was like showing me all the stuff that he was doing.

And he's like, okay, well, I'm going to turn the radio on.

And you're going to get to hear all the navigation info.

And look, look over there.

That's where the airstrip is.

And he talked me into taking flying lessons.

Hell yes.

I think I'm going to take flying lessons from this guy.

Nice.

And this guy, Marty.

I think I'm going to finally do it and get behind the stick of a plane.

Please don't die.

Well, no, I said flying lessons, not crashing lessons.

Well, I'm just saying, please don't die.

I'm going to try not to die.

I'm going to try my best.

That's all I'm going to do.

I'm getting a lot of blank stares in this room from people that are like, oh, PFT is not going to do this.

No, no, no, no.

What did I just say?

I think you're going to do it.

I'm saying, please do not die.

I think you're going to get flying lessons.

I think you're going to get pilot's license.

I think you're going to buy a plane.

And then you might die.

Correct.

That's the concept.

That's where I'm worried about the death.

I'm never going to buy a plane.

Okay.

But I already own several on my car.

And I don't want you to die.

Yeah.

This is me as a, like, I'm saying as a, like, people who just fly on their own

do die.

No, but I was watching him and it was like, oh, I was asking the best questions to him.

He said, he kept turning right.

You know, he would say to me, great question.

Oh, nice.

I'd be like, what's our landing speed?

What's her stall speed?

Great question.

At this altitude, great question.

I could tell he was impressed.

Yes, Max?

What is the point of taking flying lessons if you don't intend to

use them?

It doesn't mean I'm not going to fly a plane.

It just means I'm like,

great question.

Bad question.

You would learn how to fly, and then you'd be like, you know, it would be actually sick if I could just, instead of go to traffic to my lake house, I could just fly to the lake house.

And then you'd be like, oh, yeah, I found this fucking plane on plane B and B.

Yeah, right.

That I can find it.

It's a digital brand.

Right.

Yeah.

On Facebook Market.

Yes.

That is a very

small plane.

And then you guys all are following along with where I went to.

That is a very valid concern that Hank had of me working hard, getting a pilot's license, and then cheaping out on a plane because I got a deal.

So, like, this guy's practically giving it away.

So is my initial inclination not correct when I said please don't die?

That's where my brain went right away.

It was just like, you're going to end up flying a small plane by yourself.

Please don't die.

The El Camino, but in the air.

But dangerous.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Well.

Yeah.

Hey, guess what?

When you run out of gas.

That's another good point.

When you run out of gas with your plane, that's not good.

That's another good point by Max, which is if the El Camino has any bearing on how I evaluate motors,

I'm not going to buy a plane.

I have no intention.

I will.

I'm just considering

Chef Donald.

You're never allowed to buy a plane.

Why?

You both would crash.

Yes.

I just think

on this podcast, we should be nurturing each other's interests and hobbies.

And this is an opportunity I have to

do something incredible.

And I think I'm going to take flying lessons.

Okay.

All right.

Can I say it one more time?

Please don't die.

All right.

Hank, you should laugh.

You can't fucking get 10 feet off the ground.

Well, 10 feet off the ground would be way more than nonking.

All right.

That was my chill throne.

Chill thrown is flying, baby.

Take it to the skies.

All right, my hot seat is our good friend Joe Burrow, because we didn't talk about this on Sunday, but the baseball throw.

What happened there?

We have to defend Joe.

We love Joe.

What happened?

It's Sun Tzu.

Have you read The Art of War, Big Cat?

Okay, yeah.

Make your enemies believe you're weak when you are, in fact, so you can't throw a baseball?

Yeah.

Oh, he's so focused on throwing a football.

That's all they know.

Like, it was a, it was a football motion.

All right.

Like, he doesn't have the, like, I don't, I don't, he might not have played baseball, so he just only knows how to throw overhand like a football.

My spin zone is.

I can't throw a football because I can only throw a baseball.

Yeah.

My spin zone is that Michael Rubin just paid off every single person that had anything to do with Fanatics Fest and like, like, checked off, like, all right, Brady, you're going to, or Manning, you're going to fake tackle Brady.

Kevin Durant, we're going to get you traded.

Joe Burrow, you're going to throw a baseball poorly.

I actually think that he probably bought viral moments.

I

don't disagree with that.

Yeah.

So that's what I'm going with.

So I think Joe Burrow.

Livy Dunne broke the World Cup.

Yep.

The guy

pilled the soda next to Livby Dunn.

I think Joe Burrow, incredible entrepreneur, capitalist.

You made a lot of money to throw a baseball like that.

That's my take.

I actually don't think that you're wrong.

Yeah.

I think that if you look at everything that came out of that weekend, there was a lot of planned.

There was a lot of planned viral moments that like they probably were like, they actually probably, there's probably a contract somewhere that's like, it's titled, Joe Burrow throws a baseball poorly.

And here's here's the offer sheet.

How much money do you think it would take for if you were Joe Burrow?

I'm not saying you're you.

I'm saying you're an NFL quarterback.

How much money would it take for you to put that tape out there?

I think just a couple.

I'm going to start at a million.

I was going to say a couple million because Joe Burrow doesn't seem phased by what other people think of him.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think a couple million.

That should get it done.

Like one baseball pitch for seven for one million.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

If you're going into a contract year, price goes up.

Yep.

Agreed.

Also, Hot seat.

Have you guys seen these Italian DJs online?

Have you seen them?

Are those guys real?

Yeah.

What is that?

Are they industry plants?

They're everywhere right now.

I mean, okay.

Have you seen them, Pete?

I've not seen them, but are those the guys that use like people's heads?

No.

They're basically,

it's like they wear like 80s clothes, and they're usually...

It's these guys.

They're usually in like a bathroom or like a kitchen, and they're doing like 80s techno music.

Is that what an industry plant is?

I wish I knew what industry plants were before someone was like, hey, that's an industry plant.

I wish I could see it myself.

Like the Bobby Altop.

She was an industry plant, right?

I don't think she was either.

I think people throw that around when people get popular.

I think these guys have just got a unique vibe.

All right, I like it.

And they're popping off.

I also had a moment where I was like, are they AI?

That bummed me out.

Yeah.

That's like a problem in today's body.

Yeah, it is a problem.

I know, yeah.

Because they have good beats.

I've done more research in that guy that I thought might have been AI.

I think he's actually AI.

The singer-songwriter that I was like, this dude's next up.

Yeah.

So that's kind of what this is like.

This could easily be AI.

Yeah.

Fuck.

All right.

My chill throne is a quick embrace debate that I saw

online today.

Do you guys, when you guys go to the bathroom, do you piss with your balls out or in?

I just thought it was a really funny

phrase debate.

Balls in?

You separate, yeah.

I think I piss with my balls out.

No, it's a need-to-know basis.

My balls don't need to know that I'm pissing.

Completely dependent on pants.

That's a good point.

Like jeans, I'll probably go balls in.

If I'm wearing sweatpants, it's definitely balls in.

Oh, well, yeah, if you go sweatpants,

you got to pull down

to get everything over the sweat.

Right, no, but even some, some like, you know, like the pants I have on now, I'd probably just go balls out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just flop them over.

Yeah, I think I go balls out.

Yeah, so when I piss.

I'm like, I'm pretty.

I'm pretty sure I'm balls out.

Except for when it's a zipper.

Then if you put your balls through a zipper, that's it.

That's crazy.

You're crazy.

Yeah.

That feels like little tiny razor blades.

But yeah, if you're pissing, that's the penis.

Also, I'm drunk enough.

If you're having sex, then that's

the balls need to be out.

Nobody just goes penis.

You go all the way down to your like.

It's like when I'm like seven.

Yeah.

not to my ankles but like yeah just i don't care are you balls out or balls in it's depending on the pants like if it's uh if we're doing like elastic waistband more athletic fans probably balls out if we're doing jeans probably balls in you guys you guys ever pissed to the side

but like down down the leg of the shorts if you're wearing shorts

i don't have that kind of yet you take well you take a knee for it What now?

What are we talking about?

Like if you're playing...

On a field.

Yeah, on a field.

Yeah, I've done that on a beach before.

Yeah, when I used to play rugby, it's like during the game, you go off to the corner of the field, you just pull your little pecker through the side, and then you piss.

And then hopefully somebody gets tackled right there, and you all share a good laugh.

I took a piss today on the golf course behind a tree, and I like, you know, when you just pick the wrong tree, I started pissing, and then I looked to my left, and there was like five different angles of people being able to look at me.

I was like, well, that didn't work.

I saw memes pissing outside today on the course, just in somebody's front yard.

Memes was just standing, and he pulls his pants below his ass.

Balls out?

Below his ass, just pissing in somebody's front yard.

This poor family balls out.

Zach finishes off hot seat.

Chill trunk.

Also, congrats to Zach.

He didn't die today on the plane.

Plane right went well.

Everybody survived.

Someone's told me the pilot had several decades of experience with commercial airlines.

So that was super reassuring.

I was like, oh, this guy's got skin in the game.

He's legit.

A professional guy.

He wants to get back to the family.

And you got a free kiss from Jerry anytime you want.

I do have one of those bank for a bad day.

He banked a kiss from Jerry because I told Zach I was like hey if we're going down do you like are you worried that maybe you'll think in your head man I'm about to die and I never kissed a boy and I was like what boy would you kiss and Jerry was like I'll do it

and that he said that offer stands he said permanently stands so I'll keep that card back pocket nice never know huge okay what do you got so I do have a hot seat are you guys are familiar with like the uh originally when the AI video started coming out I was like wonky eyes wonky hands you could tell right yeah and then last couple last couple months you guys saw the videos where the koalas are vlogging and the Yetis are vlogging through the city and everything.

Yep.

Now, have you seen the AI test videos where it's like, okay, they'll give you five scenarios, five people or five news reporters, and then you have to pick, like, is this AI

before and after the video?

Yeah.

Like, go through like five of them.

My, my hot seat is pretty much everybody on Earth, we probably need to come together and realize that we can't tell anymore.

No.

There's like, and I thought this would be like a decade, 15, 20 years from now.

I think it's in the next six months where it's absolutely finished and there's no need to like,

there's no need in getting on the internet because you have no clue what you're looking at.

Correct.

Yeah, yeah.

Very, very soon.

Yeah, Zach, Zach.

Agreed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

100%.

The cat's high diving.

Yes.

The kittens high diving?

No, that was real.

Wait, did you fail the test?

I felt several of them on there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's insanely difficult sometimes.

Extremely.

It's pretty scary.

Zach,

would you be interested in an app that goes on your phone that flags every AI-created video as being AI before it plays?

plays.

Yes, if that's already it.

This is what I'm working on right now.

That's huge.

That's that.

Yeah.

It's called KO AI, and I'm working on it.

Let me get in the beta on that.

I think that would be a good app to have.

But yeah, for the last, I'd say, four months, it's just scary.

Now we're just, I'm just terrified online all the time.

I thought we had tons of time.

Maybe, maybe like the way younger people's problem, you know what I mean?

Like the smaller kids now?

No, we're all absolutely fucked.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I know I might be late to that, but here recently I'm like, all right.

Internet's finished.

finished.

It's been going on for a while.

They've been good for a long time.

I see people get you to confuse which day it is.

Sometimes it's Tuesday.

Yeah, it's Friday.

I saw this trend.

It's happening on TikTok right now.

It's ASMR.

It's visual AI ASMR.

So it's people cutting into like jello and fruits and shit, but it's all AI.

And it's supposed to make you feel good while you're watching it.

But the entire thing is AI.

It's just,

you're now officially a zombie.

If you watch those videos and you just stare at it and feel good,

you're not even a person anymore at that point.

There's like AI influencers on Instagram with like hundreds of thousands of followers, and their comment sections are just a bunch of horny dudes who have no clue that it's not a real woman.

I actually think that's not the worst thing in the world.

I saw one of those girls the other day.

I think

you get a bunch of weirdos.

Really hot.

Like moth to a flame around an AI chick that's at least you're not harassing a real girl.

Was it obviously fake or no?

No, I had to really double-take, dive deep, and figure out.

I was like, I'm pretty sure this girl's fake.

I'm pretty sure I follow

on Instagram, but guess what?

She's so hot.

It doesn't really bother me.

Every time I see them, like, weld those huge cans.

They really figured out real.

They figured out the nipples way before they figured out the thumbs.

Yeah.

All right, your chill trone.

I do have a chill tone.

This might be piggybacking a little bit off of what you guys talked about earlier in the episode.

We all saw the Friday thing that Hank did.

We're cut that.

That's not.

Friday's coming up

In a lot of days, but it is Australia.

Australia.

China.

It's Friday in China.

No, it's not even Friday.

I don't even think with the furthest time change, but it could be relatively close.

Well, when they're listening now.

Zach, you're right.

No, still no.

How far ahead do you think?

Like two days or something.

Do you think there's a place on Earth that's two days ahead?

18 hours?

How many time zones do you think there are?

There's eight time zones.

You're all

going to happen in this morning.

There are not 12.

There are not eight.

Think about

what a day is.

There's 24 time zones?

You want to know a crazy fact?

China only has one time zone.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Sounds like Arizona.

It's pretty, but China's China should have like six or seven.

You just mean they don't change their clocks.

Yeah.

You know what's what's crazy, though?

It's like, why don't we just have one time where it's the same time everywhere on earth?

Yeah, I mean, but just if you're, if, if you say it's like 12 noon

in England, in London or wherever Greenwich Mean Time is, then 12 noon in England is sunny, and then 12 noon in like Alaska is nighttime.

What do we do about the 9 to 5?

What about, what do we do for,

oh, I guess it still would be 5 o'clock?

That's actually a good point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not five o'clock somewhere if we only have one time zone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, no, it would be.

Oh, yeah.

One time zone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It would literally only be five o'clock in one place.

One place at the whole earth.

There should be a country where it's always five o'clock.

Yeah.

Okay.

You're Chiltern.

Oh, gotcha.

I would like to say I don't want to mention Chiltern.

I think it is.

Pretty chill to already be on Friday, so that is huge.

But

just to piggyback off what you guys were talking about a little earlier, I know that, okay, so you had the parade.

It's huge.

SJA is running through the streets with the trophy, which I thought was kind of a wild move on the concrete.

You know, everybody's having a great time.

They're on the buses.

They're popping the bottles of champagne.

But Alex Caruso, with the Lakers' ring as the chain, with the Mount Rushmore tea and the big bottles of 42, he's having a splendid day.

The bubble ring allegations are gone forever.

No.

What?

No.

I think they got harder.

No.

You don't think so?

No, his ring is just a piece of like, it's a necklace.

It's not even real anymore.

So, I guess you could maybe say, okay, maybe the allegations of that championship aren't gone, but he has another one to say, hey, why also have this one?

Is that fair to say?

Yeah.

I mean, now he's treating his own one like it's no better than a shark's tooth.

I'll say this.

I'll say this.

I think he went from zero rings to one and a half rings.

I don't know if that makes sense.

No, it does in my head.

In a way, because it validates the first rings for a half.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How many has how many has LeBron won since the bubble?

Zero.

Interesting.

Fair.

You big LeBron guy?

I think LeBron's great at basketball, for sure.

Okay.

Sounds like you're a big LeBron guy.

LeBron's a good athlete.

Okay.

Carmelo, though, over LeBron?

Yeah, 100%.

Amari Stademeyer.

One guy to go.

Amari Stadamire or LeBron James?

In what capacity?

One guy

to go.

Basketball?

Yeah.

Can we rotate with someone else?

This is an hard question.

All right, last question.

Then we're going to go to Mount Rushmore, and then we have our two interviews.

Mellow versus LeBron to 11 one-on-one.

Mellow.

That's what I thought.

All right.

We're going to do Mount Rushmore of M-Things, and then we have Ryan Rossillo and then Isaiah Hartenstein.

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Okay, it is time.

It is Mount Rushmore season.

We are here.

Best time of the year.

Best time of the year.

A reminder, it is PFT and Hank, Max and Memes, and me and Zach, and we will post.

Do we want to talk about posting the polls?

Because it feels like every single year we have an issue with that.

What time are we posting them?

They're going to be blind.

We're going to go off the votes.

We're not allowed to interact with the polls.

Correct.

Whatsoever.

Not even a retweet.

We're not.

We've done retweets in the past.

I don't care.

I don't think we are.

Okay.

I mean, whatever rules we make are good.

We can repeat it.

We can retweet?

Yeah.

Do you want as many people voting as possible?

No, no.

No, no, Hank.

Nice.

No retweets.

Yeah.

No retweets, no interaction.

Hank's right.

I think what we're seeing from Hank is actually just growth.

Max, you have to say that.

Good eye.

Yeah.

Good eye, Max.

All right.

So we'll post him on the Pardon My Takes Twitter every day.

What time?

Do we know?

Because memes are going to be

11.

Or 11 Central.

11 Central, so that people have time to listen to the show.

Hour-long vote?

Is it usually, yeah, or two hours?

Yeah, two hours.

Two hours.

Two hours.

And then this year, we've decided we're going to do something for the punishment where there's going to be four punishments.

One is going to be what we knew, we know one and four.

We don't know two and three.

We got to figure that out, which we can anyone who has ideas, throw them out there.

So we decided,

there'll be four punishments that we'll choose from.

We're going to use the lottery ball machine at the end of Mount Rushmore season so the losing team will have an equal chance to get one of the four punishments.

One of the punishments will be those two guys have to drive to Mount Rushmore and back,

no stopping or sleeping over, and basically live stream the whole thing, take a picture of Mount Rushmore, of them in front of Mount Rushmore, and then drive right back.

And then the fourth punishment will be the

first and second place team will have to buy a vacation for the losing team.

So there's one really bad, one really good, and then two and three, we got to figure out they got to be kind of medium punishments that can be interactive for the fans.

And then to decide which punishment we get, we're going to use the lotto system, right?

Kind of like there's going to be a lottery ball machine.

It's going to be weighted like the NBA draft.

Yep.

So it's a higher percentage that you get punishments two and three than the punishment that's really just a vacation.

Well, it would be the same, that you get two or the vacation or three or the vacation.

It'd be 25%.

Oh, it's going to be 25% for each one.

Oh, we can change it.

Okay.

Yeah, we can change that.

I thought it was going to be equal, equal.

There's four punishments doing Mount Rushmore.

Well, because you could have a really bad one or a really good one.

But if you come in dead last,

you're having to do the lottery ball no matter what.

For 25 for no advantage?

No, it's just you're getting selected something.

So you have a one in four chance of going on vacation, you have a three in four chance of being punished.

I think it should be weighted a little bit.

If it's not weighted, then I don't.

Yeah, what's the point?

Yeah.

Well, it's weighted in the fact that three out of four are not good.

But there's no incentive to do well in Mount Rushmore season.

Well, yeah, you don't want to lose and go into the lottery ball.

I think it should be like a 10% chance you get the vacation.

That's fine.

I agree with that, too.

That's fine.

Vacation should

be.

But you understand what I'm saying.

Even if you lose, you have to do the lottery ball, and three out of four suck.

Yeah.

So there is an incentive to not lose.

There is, but 25% is changing.

Are you just saying you're guaranteed to get a vacation?

Never mind.

Never mind.

What?

I just, yeah.

I thought everyone was doing it.

Oh, no, no.

Just a losing team.

I thought just

three teams were losing.

No, no, no.

We did throw around a bunch of different ideas.

No, it's just a losing team is going to the lottery ball.

And yeah, we can make the vacation 10% and the other ones 30%.

Yeah.

I like that.

Okay.

I like that.

Okay.

So we're going to start Mount Rushmore season.

And by the way, if you have a good Mount Rushmore, if you have an idea for a good Mount Rushmore, please tweet us, send us an email.

We have a lot of topics we need to get through.

We have a lot of Mount Rushmores we'd love to do.

But we're going to start with something that's very open-ended to give us a way to get into the flow it's a mount rush more of things that start with m

m

as in moo as in moo breaking moves uh

how are we doing draft order i think we go lotto ball we go uh one team gets one through 25 zero through 25 one team gets 26 through 50 One team gets 51 through 75.

The other team gets 76 through 100.

And then whoever gets picked.

There's only three teams.

Yeah, that's right.

Okay, 33.

I was like, where are you going with this?

33.

We split the lotto ball up into three teams, and then whoever gets that ball, first pick, clockwise from there.

Yep.

Okay.

So.

0 to 33, 33 to 66.

Zero in there?

Sure.

No, no.

1 to 33.

Yeah.

33.

34 to 66.

Yeah.

66.

67 to 100.

Okay.

All right.

So who gets what?

3.

Come on.

We don't want it.

We'll take the middles.

I don't care.

Yeah, we'll take the

end.

So we have, Zach, we have 34 to 66.

If I get three discounts.

Agreed.

I can't do math.

I feel like that's...

We have less numbers.

What do you have?

34 to 66.

I feel like 67 to 100 has more numbers, but

that's just a vibe thing.

No,

I think that's true.

Yeah.

I think you have one more number.

33.3%.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whatever.

So you have to 99.

Okay, fine.

And then, yeah, deal.

100 means 100, we end the show forever.

Okay?

Deal.

100 means this is the last part of my take.

Literally, the mic will cut out, and that will be it.

We'll never do another.

At least we won't do Mount Rushmore ever.

Zach will just give us his Mount Rushmore.

I'm not rooting for 100.

I hope it's three.

Three counts for Hank.

55.

55.

So you guys first.

Do we get to decide if we want to go first?

Sure.

No, we can't give it.

I think you guys just get to pick the order.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

By the way, Hank and I, it lockstep.

Oh, I love that.

We got seats.

You guys have said that so many times.

We got such a good thing going right now.

We do.

Zach, should we go first?

You want to go first?

If you feel good about going first, I'm down to go first.

Yeah, I feel good about going first.

Let's ride.

Fuck it.

We'll go first, and then who's going second?

You choose.

Oh.

All right.

Well, it's kind of, yeah, because they're sitting across from each other.

We're sitting across from each other.

Max and memes can go second.

Yes.

Love that.

And you guys go third?

Hank and Iron Lock step.

And we're going to change every day.

It just keeps changing.

So does first go to second after the next show?

I can't remember.

Yeah, yes.

I can't remember at all.

No, second goes to first.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, second goes to first.

Listen, we're a little rusty.

We're a little rusty.

Not us.

Yeah, we're in lockstep.

You guys keep saying you're in lockstep.

Would you like to make the first pick of Mount Rushmore season?

I think we go with our 1-1.

Zach, you do the honors.

You think we got a 1-1 here?

I think we go 1-1.

Three?

First pick we would like to elect

music.

We're taking all the music.

It's a good pick.

All the music.

Had that.

Music is very important in life.

Good pick.

Love music.

Zach and I, we both said music when we had our meeting.

Little twinkle in our eye.

We're like, this might work out the two of us.

Zach, what's your favorite music?

Favorite music, I like rap music, country music, and pop music.

Favorite would have to be, depending on the day.

Heavily.

Today I listened to more rap than country music today.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So it's day to day.

Yes.

It changes with the mood, but I would like to say music music predates language, music is in everyone's hearts and souls, and music is a great one.

One wow, way to go.

That felt good.

I can't do it.

It's in everyone's hearts.

Oh my god, that was tough.

That was tough.

There you go, Zach.

I told Zach, I was like, hey, how this works is like, we're going to make our pick.

We've got to give a little bit of like Rasmata Taz.

I didn't think he had that at all.

What about deaf people, Zach?

What about all our deaf listeners out there?

They can actually feel the like vibrations.

They sit down and like it changes for them and shit.

They can feel the beat.

Yeah.

Feel the the bass.

Okay.

Good pick.

You guys have the second pick?

No, we have the second pick.

We are going to go money with our second pick.

All right.

Materialistic.

Yep.

That's true.

That's fine.

Yep.

Money is the root of all these things.

Even money, everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys hate money.

I'm just.

Why don't you guys just get rid of all your money over there?

Listen.

If you guys don't, if you're trying to take the money, we will take

the money.

PFTI.

You don't like it.

PFTI are literally trying to one golf vacation at a time for Hank.

That's a fact.

We signed the billionaire's pledge.

Yep.

If I ever become a billionaire, I will sign that pledge.

That's my pledge.

We had money on our list.

Yeah, but ours is pretty far down.

There's so many more important things in life than money.

And it's sad that some people haven't figured that out yet.

Okay.

One day.

1-1, we are going to go

with moms.

Okay.

Moms.

Mothers.

Most important thing in the world.

Shout out moms.

None of us would be here without our moms.

Shout out to my mom.

Love you.

Shout out, mom.

Love you, mom.

Good pick.

And our second pick, we're going to go with March Madness.

Good pick.

March Madness.

Mom's in March Madness.

Yeah.

Hank, I love her picks.

Same.

Okay.

Yeah, I had March Madness high.

Does it seem like you liked it that?

No, I did.

I absolutely had it.

Some people are asking, is Big Cat even like March Madness?

I would take music before March Madness, but I had March Madness up there.

Okay.

Yeah,

Mount Rushmore, yeah.

My favorite week of the year.

Oh, yeah.

You're really tuned in.

You're really fucking bad.

We like it so much we took it with our second pick.

Yeah.

All right, you guys are up.

Memes, you got this one?

one?

When is he going to take meatballs?

In our pre-meeting, I said that.

I was like, he's going to take meatballs.

We're going to go with movies.

Oh, good.

We had that there.

We had that there.

Every movie.

Okay.

Okay.

Zach.

That was our second pick overall.

Zach.

What are we thinking here?

I think

I'd like to go seven.

I'd like to go seven.

Seven's a great pick.

Yeah.

And then

I think we hit him with the Okie Doke and maybe go with our four.

Two hitters.

Yeah.

You want to say him?

After you, sir.

All right, I'll start.

Our next pick is going to be meat.

All meat.

We need meat.

We had meat.

Yep.

Steak, chicken, pork, whatever you want.

Meat.

You need meat.

Zach, go ahead.

Caveman fact.

We don't have a caveman fact.

Yeah, yeah.

All the meats, though.

Yeah, yeah.

And then we'd also like to take MILFs.

Yeah, we're going to take MILFs.

We took moms, but that's fine.

Yeah, but we specifically would like MILFs.

Okay, we had MILFs on our board.

I thought we didn't want to go there after moms was picked, but that's fine.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's...

No, no, no, no, no.

That's fine.

That's fine.

That's fine.

Moms is in the name MILF.

I understand, but it's...

Well, it could be Man I Love Football.

Which is it?

It's not.

They said moms.

You just said others.

You just said certain moms.

Yeah.

You're excluding the moment.

You're including all the fictitious MILFs as well.

Yes.

Great point, Zach.

All the fictitious milkshakes.

Milk MILS can't be on there with money.

We lied.

We all are.

You're just bad because you didn't take it.

You get every fictitious milk.

We didn't take it because they said mom.

But it's mothers I'd like to fuck.

What's the first word?

It's totally different.

What's the first word?

It's totally different.

The first words of moms.

There's been sad.

You took mothers.

You guys are really going to take this away right away?

I think you can't have moms.

If we took a genre of music like rock music.

Okay, well, that starts with the R.

That's a good point.

I mean, that's debunked.

Listen there.

Listen, this room is bunked.

This room has just gotten chaotic without a prisoner.

You know what?

We'll pick something else.

Where's Pug?

We'll pick something else.

I mean, yeah.

After that, after Max did a little crybaby shit.

Okay.

Back to the drawing board.

That was bullshit.

I would have said that.

I appreciate that, PFT.

I think you realize there's a difference between moms and MILFs.

Can you explain to me a MILF?

Yeah.

What's the first word?

One I'd like to fuck.

Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah, yeah.

One I'd like to fuck.

Oh, so if moms and MILFs MILFs are the same, you have a MILF?

What?

What?

Your mom is a MILF.

This is.

Well, you just fucking said the same thing.

It is a genre of mom.

It is a genre of mom.

Not every MILF out there is

technically a mom.

MILF is a mom.

That's not true.

Fictitious MILFs are not always moms.

They're fictitious moms.

But they're not always

moms.

They're fictitious.

Hank, I'd like to have you put this on the bonk list for Big Cat.

That's fine.

We had memes on our team.

You don't think that we wanted to take MILFs?

You should have taken MILFs.

Memes is an undercover horny guy.

This is way too early for this to be this contentious.

I would like to say.

Yeah, well, don't take a pick that somebody else already took.

The Oxford's Language Dictionary defines MILF as a sexually attractive woman who has children or is early middle-aged.

No!

Interesting.

That's just by definition.

That is by definition.

There's a lot of MILFs there that are not technically moms.

Your argument falls apart there.

Because every MILF is a mother.

No, but there's the name of the moment.

We all want fucking porn.

There's a lot of people who, yeah, okay.

So

they're MILFs.

They're fictitious moms.

They're MILFs, and they're

Zach

Good pick.

Wait, so you're saying, so officially you say that you don't want this pick?

I mean, it already got taken off.

Yeah, I know, but you

stand for something.

I said that I would have.

Stand for something.

Yeah, I would have allowed it.

So Max is the one that everybody has.

Max is the bad guy, not me.

Fine.

I'm happy to be it.

All right, Zach.

What do we do now?

For the record, that was an awesome pick, man.

It was a great pick.

And Max is just mad because he didn't pick it.

And I would have fought for him.

It was like our first pick, and then I got nervous.

To be fair, Max got nervous.

He got nervous.

Okay.

All right.

So meat is in.

You got a problem with that?

No problem.

Yeah, meat.

Meat clears.

Meat plays.

Okay, meat plays.

Zach, I don't know what to do now.

They fucked us.

Do we could go...

You guys just.

We could go 10.

No, that's duplicate, Zach.

Well, let's even take meatballs right now.

Just get back into the argument.

Yeah, meat and meatballs.

All right.

We are going to go

with

milkshakes.

Good pick.

Milkshakes.

Cream team.

Yeah.

That feels good.

Strong pick.

Yeah.

Okay.

We're going to go with Michael Jordan.

Okay.

Good pick.

We had Michael Jordan on the list.

We had him on our list, too.

All right, so we get two?

We get two.

Hank, we can do this.

I love where we're at.

I'm going to do the last one.

Whatever you want to do.

And then what else do we want on there?

We'll do that one last.

We'll do the last one last.

Good call.

We're going to go with mouth stuff.

So buying mouth stuff.

This is a PFD pick.

Mouth stuff.

This is a PFD.

It's a good pick.

It's a good pick.

You don't like mouth stuff.

Are you counting it?

No, mouth stuff is great.

Are you counting you sucking dick, too?

Well, getting it, yeah.

Well, I mean, it's not.

What about gift stuff?

Yeah, giving it to you.

Giving it to you.

Giving it.

Giving it mouth stuff.

No.

That's a good point.

Giving taking mouth stuff.

Take a root canals?

Oh, good boy.

My boy.

It's a great point.

Root canals suck.

Eating counts as mouth stuff.

Yep.

Getting fish hooks.

Getting fish hooks.

Kissing.

Yep.

Mouth stuff.

And then our last pick, Mr.

Brightside coming on after 10 beers.

Okay.

That sounds like music to me.

Oh, that sounds like music.

But that's a bad pick, so I'm going to allow you to make it.

That sounds like music.

But how is that any different?

No, it is.

It's the same exact thing.

The same argument you guys just made against us with Milk.

But I wanted to take a look at it.

Well, no, but you want him to take that pick.

It's terrible.

He can keep the pick.

There's a difference.

He's right, though.

It is.

No, no, no, no.

The pick stance.

But it's.

I just wanted to show the hypocrisy in this.

Well, no, we can't.

It's a mad pick.

You can't allow that.

I don't know.

I'm fine with the pick, but.

No, no, the pick's in.

Yeah, the pick's in.

All right.

You're arguing against your own pick.

I'm not.

No, I'm not.

I'm more just like, you can't be the decider on what goes based off it's a good pick or not.

That is hypocrisy.

I know.

Take it off.

Take it off.

I want it.

You want to take it off?

Yeah, take it off.

It's the same thing as you can.

You might not see how it's the exact same as MILF.

No, no, no, here's why it's different.

Because MILF is

the same as it is.

Because MILF has the word mother in it.

Okay, and Mr.

Bright says, That's his A?

It's a song.

Oh, yes.

And it's music.

It's music.

We took music.

So if somebody takes music, you can't take anything that makes

a musical sound.

Correct.

We took music.

You guys took mothers.

I couldn't take MILF's.

That's because the M in MILF stands for mother, literally.

But it's a song.

It's music.

It's the same argument.

This is a reach.

That's a reach.

that is

literally the exact same argument.

It's literally not.

That's not the same thing at all.

And those don't have to have kids.

Yes.

Thank you, Zach.

Sorry, we still have a great list.

You guys can keep the.

I have no problem with it.

Max, should you paint it on?

I don't want an asterisk.

No, there's no zero asterisks.

We got a winning board right now.

There's zero asterisks.

So I'm going to take it off because I don't want the asterisk.

Okay.

You guys fought it.

You won.

No, I didn't.

I was just saying it's very funny because it's basically the same thing.

You win.

This feels good.

I just want to say this feels good.

No, you guys fought it.

So we'll switch it up.

We'll go Mexican food.

Okay.

It's a good one.

Good pick.

Yeah.

Good pick.

Deep board.

Never a doubt.

Yeah.

Lockstep.

We're going to take McDonald's.

We had it on there.

Good pick.

Good pick.

A lot of meat at McDonald's.

That's fair.

There's also a lot of meat in Mexican food.

McDonald's also.

There it is.

McDonald's sounds like mouth stuff.

Mm-mm-mm-mm.

I'm sucking it.

I'm sucking it.

Zach.

We got to make a final pick.

You feel strongly about anything in the other category right now?

The other category is tricky.

The other category is tricky.

We got another category.

Yeah, we have it.

Well, we

tiered it because we were all over the place in our discussion.

I have some funny, it's funny ideas that Zach threw out there that I was just like, what are you talking about?

I think 14 is what we just go with.

Just cover it all.

Let 14 rate.

That's a great.

Yeah, yeah.

Say it.

It's solid.

Yeah.

We're going to go with magic.

Magic.

We're going to go with magic.

Just covers everything.

Yeah, no, Zach, when we sat down, I think one of the first things he said to me was, math.

He's like, math is the building blocks for everything.

Dude, you guys.

And I was like, I hate math.

You would add two universal languages.

Yeah.

You rip our honorable mentions.

Do you want to hear?

Yeah, here's Zach's, and then we can go all honorable mentions.

We thought about taking men.

But then we were like, well, what happens if, like, you know, they throw out Hitler and Jeffrey Epstein?

So that becomes a, you know, all men.

And then, so, so at one point, Zach told me, he's like, we should take males and then he also said we should take mail

like like the letter mail stuff you get yeah

i was like okay we use mail all the time yeah yeah oh really email yeah physical mail letters yeah yeah yeah sweepstakes uh

zach also wanted to he threw out there uh matt damon and ben affleck as duo okay um it's a great duo mild wings that would have been bad pick bad pick i told him i was like that's a bad good pick for him i like where your heart's at.

Yeah.

We were workshopping.

Yeah, we were workshopping.

Michelin Star Restaurants.

Okay.

Not really for me.

And then what was the other one?

Oh, you had Miss Universe, which wasn't a bad pick.

Yeah.

Jordan.

All right, so what do we got for honorable mentions?

Hank, you want to say ours?

This one probably would have got contentious, the Masters.

Oh, why?

Because it's dumb.

No, we didn't know.

Oh.

Somebody would have fought over that.

I would not have fought over that.

Max would have fought over that.

I would have let it last.

That's a very good pick.

Yeah, Masters is a good pick.

Me and PFT, PFT, we're both in agreement on this, but it probably there's it's divisive in today's day and age.

Mint chocolate chip ice cream.

I like mint chocolate chip ice cream.

Love mint chocolate chip.

Yep.

Yep.

Marriage.

Yep.

Mixed drinks.

Yep.

Millennium Falcon.

Margaritas.

Margaritas.

Oh, that's a good one.

Marijuana.

Yep.

Oh, good one.

Missed marijuana.

Well, we had marijuana.

Yeah.

Paint.

Yeah.

Massachusetts.

I was just trying to gasp.

My boy Hank up there.

Did anyone think about masturbation?

Because we tossed it around.

We did not have that.

Zach and I did it a little to each other, and they were like, nah, this isn't for us.

Cranking off?

Yeah.

Mini golf?

Yeah.

How'd you forget that, Hank?

It's not

really mini golf.

I'm not a little bit more, not really.

Okay.

Okay.

Do you think Making Out would have been better than Mouse Stuff?

No.

No?

Yes.

Yeah, probably.

No, Mouse Stuff is a great pick.

Middle linebackers?

Kind of a throwback.

You also get Will Compton, so.

Yeah.

Oh, Zach had a great one.

Zach, throw yours out there.

Number 13 on our list.

You thought of this one.

Oh, a microwave.

Yeah.

Microwave.

Needed for everything.

That's a good one.

Microwave.

Yeah.

We had motorcycles.

He got into his own head, though.

He was like, but then they could say air fryers better.

I was like, that's a good point.

You're thinking two years ago.

He is.

He's got some chess moves going.

We had mac and cheese.

Yep.

Mashed potatoes.

Yep.

Mr.

Brightside coming on after 10 beers.

Yep.

Muhammad Ali?

Yep.

Good pick.

Messi.

Messi viewers.

Messi.

Messi is a good pick.

Yep.

Yeah, I missed that.

Maradona.

Yep.

We had Miracle on Ice.

Oh, that's a good one.

Mobile phone?

Michael Jackson's music.

What do you guys think about military?

Every military?

Kind of cool.

ISIS?

Badass.

True.

You also get ISIS.

Your guys' picks are like based off what society needs to function.

It's very we actually had

we tossed around machinery.

We did.

We were thinking about just taking every machine ever.

You need machinery.

Mountain Dew.

Shout out, Mountain Dew.

Love it.

Mids.

You know, sometimes you don't want to get too high by trying to hang out with the boys.

Now you speak my language.

Matching.

Matching.

Good one.

Fuck.

Hank put Moneyball.

Moneyball.

The book and movie that they did where they just forgot to tell everyone that they had like three of the best starters ever.

Yep.

Oops.

This is how you build the team off of guys that are castoffs and they get a lot of walks.

Oh, yeah.

Also, you need incredible starting pitch also.

And Miguel Tehada.

Yeah.

We have the league MVP in Miguel Tejada.

We have Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, and Barry Zito.

Yeah.

But let's talk about Euclid, how he walks somewhere.

Yeah, he's got a bad body, but he walks.

This guy walks.

Figured it out.

Okay, any other ones?

Get MLB.

MLB's.

Mickey Mouse.

Mozzarella sticks.

Mickey Mannell.

Mickey Manle.

That's just a good double M.

Marilyn Monroe.

Yep.

Miley Cyrus.

Meatballs, obviously.

Meatballs.

I thought you were

meatballs.

I thought this whole draft was because so you could take meatballs.

I know.

I said it to memes.

I just said dot, dot, dot, meatballs, dot, dot, dot.

And then we just decided that there were

too many.

M is a heavy hitter.

There's some really, really good options out there.

Mushrooms.

Mushrooms.

Yeah, psychelics.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Big miss.

I like normal mushrooms i like yeah those two sauteed mushrooms as well uh zach did you have any others that were on the chopping

i've got a i've got a couple uh misdemeanors just like a little bit of trouble

like that a lot

that's great

that's actually a good pick that you can spin being like just a tiny bit of trouble nothing crazy yeah i don't get expunged yeah

i've also got uh

I've got a

Melitia Bentez invented the coffee filter.

I don't know if you guys like caffeine or coffee, but

probably not inventors.

Did you know that offer it?

Did you throw it?

I was researching.

When we were doing our powwow, did you throw no bad ideas?

Did you throw Mia Khalifa at one point?

I did.

I did throw Mia Khalifa.

I started Megan Fox, and then I went Mila Kunez, and then I went, I just, I was like, a little hotter, and I went Mia Khalifa.

Yeah.

My list got a little horny, but I cleaned it up.

Cleaned it up.

All right.

No, I also, hornier, the better for Mountain Rushmore.

That's true.

Horny does play on the graphic.

Yeah.

Yeah, the people like the horny.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest.

He's one of our best friends in the whole wide world.

It is Ryan Rossillo.

We're going to talk some draft.

We're going to do a little NBA finals cleanup.

RyGuy, that game seven was a bummer.

Does it feel, let's start here, does it feel like

the Thunder got a little bit robbed of their moment because of Halliburton's injury.

Because I felt, I woke up on Monday morning.

I was like, well, that kind of sucked for the Thunder.

Like, I know they don't care, but still, the big conversation coming out of game seven was like, what if Halliburton doesn't get hurt?

Yeah, that's all fair, but I really think this is when we're at our worst talking about this stuff, like the next 24, 48 hours.

It happens at the Super Bowl all the time.

No, you're really good about it, PFT.

We actually brought that up last night.

Zach Lowe mentioned that.

But

it's just so hard to win a championship.

It's so hard.

And the way we treat some of these guys at the very top of the game without a championship, and some of it's on them, and some of it's just circumstance.

So

whenever a team wins,

I'm not really necessarily in a hurry to try to figure out all the ways that it's not as valuable as other championships.

Because I was thinking about this the other day, and this is already some real spiritual thought stuff.

We're not impressed by anything anymore.

Yeah.

And I was looking at some stand-up comedian was doing this whole bit about this game called Crossfire.

And they ran the whole ad and it was this game where like ball bearings, you're just shooting them at the other guy.

And if these fidget spinners, and if you had enough, like went over to him, then it was like, you won the game.

All right.

And the thing probably broke.

It probably sucked.

Probably were not great.

But like, I just remember being a kid thinking, holy shit.

Like my life is going to suck if I don't have that.

Now, maybe that's marketing.

Maybe that's just being young and being super impressionable.

But now I feel like we, we've seen so much stuff.

Okay.

There is so much stuff that happens just on any given day that we're really difficult to be impressed by anything.

And it's actually, I kind of missed being impressed by things.

And now it's, I don't even know if that's real, right?

Is that really a dog scuba diving?

Who knows?

Oh, I saw that video.

Yep.

I saw that video.

And immediately you were like, fake, which I appreciate because like now I don't have to, you know, cross-reference this whole thing.

So when a team team wins a championship, I think it's really, really hard.

I understand what you guys are saying because it's like, all right, he goes down.

The crazy thing is, I thought in the first half, OKC was more affected negatively than the Pacers were because it was almost like the Thunder just sleepwalking through the game, expecting to win, expecting to win at home.

Their best player is out.

And it took them, I don't know, like another 45 minutes to an hour to wake up and then put together that great third quarter.

So

my default position is usually like, let's remind ourselves how hard it is to do this and how much we beat up on the people and teams that never get here.

Yeah, and I agree 100%.

Like, the Thunder, incredible season, wire-to-wire.

Shay had maybe the best season, like when you stack it all up, like one of the top 10 seasons, if you want to call it, all time.

They're so good.

It was more like I was so geared up for a game seven that it wasn't taking away from Thunder.

It's like, man, I really wish that game had seen Tyrese Halliburton in the end.

Let's do it real quick, though.

What impresses you in sports right now?

Let's do the spin zone.

Me, Savannah Bananas.

How do they keep doing it?

Who's their choreographer?

Paula Abdul?

No, our guy, Cal Raleigh, impresses me.

He was here.

The fact he's got 31 home runs as a catcher, that's like, I think if he gets 60 home runs, it's going to be like, holy shit, he's crazy.

Big ass.

Yeah.

Baseball player ass.

He doesn't skip leg day.

No, even like for a baseball player, it's out there.

Yeah.

Okay, but look, your guy, Sammy Souser, he is back in the good graces of the city of Chicago, perhaps long overdue, right?

I, I was thinking about him because it was like news, right?

You know, they're welcoming back first time in 21 years.

When I first started ESPN, we were cutting into his home runs still.

All right.

And that was like a normal programming thing.

And then I think wherever he was getting like close to 600, like somebody that was still kind of manning the decisions on the weekend departments was like, hey, we got to make sure we go live.

And all the hosts were like, why?

Like, no one gives a shit anymore.

And especially like post all of the steroid stuff that baseball went through in the late 90s, early 2000s, like no one cared.

And yet you mentioned anybody now chasing 60 home runs.

And again, it went decades before we had seen it until the late 90s.

So maybe it's a simple math thing with baseball, but I think generally like we're not impressed with much.

Do you want to know what I'm impressed with today?

I'll tell you a story.

Okay.

I was ready to attack this week.

I was so fired up.

Wanted to actually do this podcast from the boat, but the charts just told me it was probably not a great decision.

And,

you know, safety is the first thing you're thinking about.

Number one.

Not women.

Yeah, not women with a boat.

So

I went to the gym because, like, right now is my Tuesday.

I got after this Monday so hard, so fucking hard to start the day.

Prepped a bunch of stuff, Aaron's phone calls, adult stuff.

And then Matt Leinert was at the gym.

I went really early.

He's a dad, so I'm sure he wanted to get out of the house.

And he's got this buddy who's jacked.

And I was doing shoulders.

And then he put on 365

and was like, Rasillo,

you want in on this?

And I had to say no, because I can't do it.

And it was like,

I'm not used to that happening to me there.

And he just alpha the fuck out of me.

And then I watched him.

Cause, you know, really, I would come up with a clothing line.

It says focus on your own reps.

But I had to sneak a peek, like being in the urinal.

I had to look.

And it was just filthy.

That impressed me today.

And I knew it was real.

That's huge.

That's huge.

I'm impressed by you saying no.

Safety first.

Yeah.

The old Ryan would have been like, fuck it, I'll put that up.

You would have tried.

No,

I know my limits.

That's a little north of me.

So

what impresses you right now in the NBA?

Things you actually like?

Sam Presty.

Yeah.

Incredible story.

I mean, the fact that he's been this good for this long and then finally gets his

championship.

And what, he's 47 years old?

Like, that's, he's got so much in front of him and he's got a shitload of picks yeah conquer codelet shout out

i love that he now officially in the way we like talk about players and coaches and stuff it's like well if he was that good and everybody that knew about what this guy is doing and how he was just a step ahead of everybody

everybody knew he was probably the best guy doing it but now it's official like we get to say it and for me like who finds some of the stuff stupid, I'm glad we can eliminate that stupid part of it because he's been incredible.

And when you think about the draft, I mean, the SGA thing works out beyond anybody's even belief in SGA.

It's amazing how many times in life, like you're faced with this really difficult challenge where Paul George wants out, and it's like the best thing that can ever happen to the Thunder because the Clippers are willing to do anything to guarantee that they're also getting Kawhi, which, you know, you revisit that one.

No one had a problem with that at the time.

And then you nail the Chet and Jalen Williams pick in the same draft.

And then within two years, even though Chet was up and down in the finals, he's great defensively last night.

Jalen Williams, I still think, will be probably a more consistent offensive player.

And then to build this all out, it's like, okay, what was the problem last year?

All right, well, let's get Giddy out of here because nobody wants to defend him in the playoffs.

Let's bring in a spacing demon on defense in Caruso.

He hires Dagnolt.

He's got the Spurs background stuff.

He is

a special, special person as far as it comes to building a roster.

And I'm just glad he can now officially get a ring where imagine if you told Thunder fans, like in 2012, with that group that lost in five games in Miami Heat with Durant, with Serge, with Harden, with Westbrook.

And you're like, actually, this is the best it's ever going to get.

Yeah.

I like that.

So it's good to have something that we're actually positive about.

What if we did the opposite, though, and we said, how, how disappointing would this have been for the Thunder if they had lost?

Yeah.

If they had lost, like, like, Halliburton gets injured, Pacers up at halftime, Pacers close it out.

How disappointed are you in the Oklahoma City Thunder?

Very.

Yeah.

Frauds?

Yeah.

Worst loss ever.

Presty overrated.

How about bringing somebody into some emotion?

Yeah.

Come on, man.

You had the opportunity to

make a move.

You know what?

Not to go all ESPN on you.

Presty needs to step up.

Yeah.

I'd be pulling.

Look, I mean, you want to do a draft of the guys on TV that would spend this week being like, here's the 10 guys I would take over Presty right now.

Yeah.

So

look, the funniest thing, like, I wrote wrote this down last night when we did the Bill and Zach thing.

Um,

OKC during the playoffs, their rebounding rate was 11th out of 16 teams.

Defensive rebounding rate was even worse than that.

Their assist ratio was 11th.

Three-point shooting, they were 13th or 14th out of 16 teams.

They fouled at the third highest rate.

They had, I think, nine games at like 31, 30%

or under from three-point range, and they went five and four in those nine games.

This team to do this, to win a title, was some of those things.

That's like, I thought you guys could shoot.

Like, what the hell's going on?

Their defense was actually that special.

So I would have probably gone, eh, maybe you need a little bit more shooting or shooters that can show up, shooters that can show up on the road because that's what the Pacers are doing.

They're just like, fine.

Game six, everybody stays with SGA, cheat off of everybody else, stop SGA, hope he doesn't pass.

And we don't think any of those guys are going to make enough shots.

And that's exactly what happened in game six.

They hoped it would happen in game seven.

SGA Justice passed better.

But it was funny because PFT, I was thinking, like, if they lose this,

you love this roster.

You love Presti.

You love what they've done.

But then you're going to do an off-season to-do list for a team that won 68 games and had the highest point differential ever.

Yeah.

Just the fact that they shot that bad is, I saw someone talking about it today.

And I don't know if you know the inner workings of the Oklahoma City Thunder better than we do.

But they said they have an analytics department that basically, like two of their big things are trying to figure out the trends in where the league's going in terms of like what's valuable, what's not.

And then also just trying to figure out who's going to suck in four years and then getting their picks.

And I was like, I read that.

I was like, well, that's genius.

Why aren't more teams doing that?

Just like, let's just collect the picks for the teams that we expect to suck soon and they'll be very good assets.

Yeah, I know that, you know, they seem to really prioritize.

They're incredibly private, first of all, like the most private probably group ever.

I've joked that I've seen Presty at the Combine, again, when I used to do it, I don't know that it happens now, but like he wouldn't even stand near anybody else.

Like normally, this is a pretty social event.

You know, you don't, just because you're sitting near someone doesn't mean to be like, hey, I actually really want to trade this player.

And he wouldn't even stand near anybody else.

Woge introduced us years ago, about the same age, both for masks, some similar interests.

And I was like, hey, what's going on?

And it was like, no way.

Like, you asked me a basketball question, you dick.

And I was like, all right, you know,

lesson learned on this one.

But I do think that there's a lot of truth, big cat, in what you said.

I mean, you know, if we sat around for a half an hour and tried to predict which teams' picks are going to be more valuable moving forward, we could probably come up with a little bit of a list here.

You know, it could be perhaps a little overstated, but there's also something to be said that he was on the competition committee, Presti, I believe.

and like he knew once they were putting in some of the second apron stuff that it was going to mean, it was going to mean way more to just be able to draft replacements for guys that got more expensive.

Because we kept waiting around going, when are they going to package these picks?

When are they going to package?

And if they had lost, if they had blown game seven, you know, maybe they don't get to the NBA Finals say, then you're going to be like, does this mean they give like the godfather offer to the Bucks for Giannis, just going like, hey, this is how we have to do it.

That's how the NBA has operated in the past.

And I remember somebody explaining to me, like, it's going to be a bit more like continuing to flip the picks forward so that you always have that flexibility and then drafting potentially like a replacement for somebody who goes north of 20 million, who's your fourth or fifth option.

So that may be the strategy more so than like, hey, when are you going to trade all those picks?

Because if they had lost, can you imagine?

It's like, hey, cool picks.

Right.

And yet they're still a really good team had they had, you know, blown game seven.

Yeah.

So we wanted to do just an hour and a half with you about Kevin Durant and what this means for his legacy, that he goes to the Houston Rockets.

We can cut that down to 45 minutes if you'd like.

But from your perspective, how does this fit work?

Because we were watching the NBA Finals yesterday and the Kevin Durant news breaks over the weekend.

And it feels like a lot of people were just spending time analyzing that trade instead of appreciating a game seven in the NBA Finals that we have right now.

But looking ahead.

You think that the Rockets got a whole lot better?

You think this is a good fit?

Yeah, I think it's a great fit for him.

Minnesota was my favorite fit for him just because I still think he could have gone to Minnesota and kind of draft off the attention of Anthony Edwards, where at this stage, if you're asking Durant, who's going to turn 37 in September to come in and fix you,

I don't know if he's that guy.

I mean, he wasn't that guy in Phoenix.

It looked like he was flirting with being that guy in Brooklyn, but then he soured there.

So if you go back to that Houston series, like Houston was the two seed, and they had the weirdest like stat.

clutch stuff where they had all of these clutch wins, but their clutch offense still sucked.

It was really really weird.

Now, we know they're a really good defensive team, but you look at that kind of thing and you're like, is that something that's going to bite you in the ass the last five minutes of a tight playoff game?

Because you don't really feel great about who your number one scoring option is.

And they would have loved for it to mend Jalen Green.

He's given four years of rope here, high usage rate, like just go out there.

And even though Jalen Green certainly has his moments because he's a really talented player, he was not that guy against Golden State.

And I don't want to completely like write him off as a player because of a bad series and his first playoff taste, but it just wasn't very good.

Then you've got Van Vliet like scrambling around, and he put up some huge numbers against Golden State, but you could just see like they need something else on the wing that they can really depend on.

Considering they don't have to trade Jabari, they don't have to trade Tari.

A men's a non-starter.

There's no Reed Shepherd in the deal.

And they, I think, got rid of the less favorable pick.

So I love the trade for Houston.

Their GM Stone is on an absolute heater now.

I mean, every single move this guy makes, it seems like usually you're just going to get one wrong because of the way sports work.

So they didn't pay a ton.

They're obviously probably going to have to extend him.

I think Durant's happier in Houston than some of the other options.

So, you know, the thing I did like about Minnesota is that he could probably allow Ant to still be the focal point of all of the attention, where in Houston, a lot is going to be expected of him, but he's desperately what they needed on offense.

Like, go get us those closing playoff moment buckets.

See, I have the opposite take.

I think Phoenix got a whole lot better.

I love what they're building down at Phoenix.

Build the whole thing out of him.

I love that.

They got the big four is what they're calling it.

I think Bradley Beal is poised for a breakout season.

Yeah.

Where?

It's got to be in Phoenix.

It's got to be in Phoenix.

Is that the worst no trade clause ever given to a player?

We said yesterday that his name has now become Bradley Beale's no trade clause because anytime you say his name, it's always in that context.

Is that the worst no trade clause ever given out?

Yeah, I mean, it's got to be.

I mean, because he's just so checked out.

He's totally, I think the scary thing about him is that, you know, I think anybody you think, like, if you're this good, then there has to be some competitive pride in you.

And he may have the least.

There may be the biggest gap between just talent and how much he doesn't care of anyone.

Like, they tried to bench him and bring him off the bench, like, hoping, hey, if we make this really ugly, will he actually say, hey, I want out of here?

And then I had heard it's like, no, he just loves Phoenix.

A lot of guys love the Phoenix area.

He loves it.

He might love his life.

He might actually be the happiest guy in the NBA.

Talk about about every player.

I think you're out of something.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

He might be the happiest dude.

Yeah.

Do you subscribe to my theory that Matt Ishbia was like, we know we're not going to get a lot for Kevin Durant, but if you just make the second round picks five of them, everyone's going to look at the tweet and be like, holy shit, that's a lot of picks.

I just see Hinky Substack.

He was like, this is great.

Look at all these second rounders.

Yeah.

I'm kidding.

But it was like, you see five second round picks.

You're like, oh man, that's a lot of picks.

And you're like, wait a second, they're second-round picks.

This means nothing.

He should have asked for like 15.

There was a stretch where it felt like so many writers just love second round picks.

You're like, look at all the flexibility.

And you're like, look at the historical data of like how often these guys, you know, learn China buddies.

Speaking of, though, Dylan Brooks, who, again, was like, that guy got 80 million after people were laughing about him being out of the league.

And he deserves the contract that he got.

And he actually matters because he's got some edge to him.

Theory, working theory, they brought in Dylan Brooks just to match up against Beal in practice.

Ooh.

To piss him off and get that dog back in him.

Reignite the fire.

Yeah.

Or ask out.

Or ask out.

Like, I can't deal with this guy.

Good point.

Yeah.

That's actually, I like that theory a lot.

Like, if you, if you can't force the guy to be traded, just make him hate his job so much that he's going to play anywhere else.

Yeah.

Like they signed, like, hey, we just signed Thanassus and he's going to shadow you on the court and off the court.

Yeah.

And Beal's just like, I'm not going to, I can't, I can't do this.

All right.

Now you've got me.

I want to go back to the Wizards where I'm comfortable.

Well, I actually think that there is some truth to the fact that playing for the Wizards organization historically, it will suck the life out of your desire to be great at basketball.

It just will.

You're going to end up not caring as soon as you get through like one season there.

So you're telling me you're selling your Alex Sarr and Bub Carrington stock?

No, I like Bub.

I like Bub a lot.

And I was almost a diehard Wizards fan for the NBA draft lottery.

If it looked like a bad thing.

What about Kulabali?

If we're going to get Cooper Flag, I was in.

But now, and maybe we can transition into NBA draft talk a little bit.

Now I'm thinking Ace Bailey might be the perfect fit.

He wants to go somewhere.

He's the guy where he's killer bees.

The superstar.

Maybe, maybe the Wizards might be the perfect fix.

So tell us what's going on with Ace Bailey and why has he dropped so much in this draft?

I think the NBA draft, the players are a lot like a movie that you hear about ahead of time.

Like Dragon.

Right.

And I'm.

Yeah, it's a good comp.

Yeah.

Costner's best movie?

Yeah.

Maybe.

I'd say easily.

I always say if that movie didn't have the licensing for the official NFL logos, it might be the worst movie of all time.

But because they had like Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville Jaguars, I'm watching and I'm like, I'm pretty much watching football right now.

This is awesome.

Yeah, they do the flyover of the stadium shit.

Dude, this rocks.

Football.

I don't know if you understand the references we just did as we're football guys.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I saw you guys.

You were like, oh my God, so many weekends before college football.

I'm losing my mind.

It's like, you guys, no, I'm like, some people like football.

You guys really like football.

I love football.

It's so cool.

Anyway.

Thank you.

See, you're getting a little too snarky.

Like, you, I can tell you don't actually really love football.

You wouldn't have made that joke if you really loved it.

I don't like it as much as you guys do.

That's true.

And don't forget that.

Yeah.

I've never questioned it.

All right.

So, yeah.

So, Ace Bailey, why is he going from being like second or third pick to now we're thinking he might be fifth, sixth?

Glad you asked, PFT.

This is the movie thing.

There ever been a movie in your life where you're like, this movie sucks.

And you're like, what?

Does it?

It's terrible.

And you go in thinking everybody that you know, even if a couple of people that you trust, I mean, there's some people that were friends with who were like, if you don't like something, then I know I will like it.

Ace Bailey feels like this movie that, and I'm late to it.

I've explained to you guys, and just to remind the audience, like, I can't do the draft stuff year-round.

I love it.

It's my favorite week of the year.

So I get crash course into all this stuff and watch as much as I can.

I go to the combine and all that kind of stuff.

So, you know, you just heard so many people trashing him that I went into the theater and being like, this guy's going to suck.

He's good.

He is.

I think the conversation around him with Sharif Cooper's dad repping him and, you know, this being a bit abnormal where a lot of teams are literally pissed about the way they're treating this process.

And

who's to know?

Like, are they trying to navigate this thing to get Bailey from three to say six because they feel like there's a ton of shots and ton of points and traditional counting stats for him so that when he's extended in four years, he's going to make back all the money that he loses dropping a few slots?

You know, Brooklyn would be like significant from going three to eight.

But when you watch him, like, sure, we can go over the bad stuff.

There's plenty of shots.

You're like, what the hell were you doing there?

I think I saw one game where he had two shots where his heels were on the three-point line.

There's times where one play I saw him, just three guys are right in his face, and he's in the triple threat, and he like wants to drive.

He wants to drive.

And you're like, well, you're not going to drive.

There's nowhere to go.

There's nowhere to go right now.

It's like, yeah, I'm going to drive.

But I watched the Bama game from November this morning.

And

there's just a lot of stuff this guy can do at 6'8 that's really impressive.

And it's not like he's just a 6'8 project, right?

This isn't like Salon, who goes last year in the top 10.

This is somebody that, you know, the high-end shot making is really impressive.

It's not necessarily like Trey Johnson, Texas, who could go ahead of him.

But I feel like all of the conversation around Ace and the Rutgers season being a disaster and Harper clearly being the number two guy, so that means Ace is as good.

I'm not telling you, he's perfect.

It seemed like he didn't love playing off the ball as much as he had to because Harper was just so good.

And the more and more you watch Harper, you're just like, all right, I totally get it.

Like, he's got all this NBA scoring stuff down already to the high pick and roll.

But I feel like Ace has become far more damaged,

probably because of the handling of this.

And apparently, unless there's a secret workout, being the only American prospect that hasn't worked out or shown up to visit with anybody, which is just unheard of.

So why is he doing that?

Has his camp made any statements about it?

Like, this is why we're approaching the draft in this way.

And I know it's weird, but here's our strategy.

Yeah, I think because Philly, you know, landing the number three pick is weird.

Like, we can all sit here and say, like, well, they need to trade it because of the timeline and what they're facing.

And granted, like, if you're a Sixers fan right now, you should probably feel much better about your place in the East, considering all the guys that are going down and the injuries that we've had throughout the playoffs.

Um, and you know, you include Dame too at the end, but uh,

you know, you look at Ace Bailey or even a Vijay, and you're like, how does this guy play for a Sixers team?

Well, the way he plays is probably because one of the Sixers guys are going to get hurt, so you'd throw him out there anyway.

But I just can't imagine like Nick Nurse trusting a ton of possessions with Ace Bailey, where if he's on Brooklyn and there's no one else

and you're like, okay, that's buckets.

New Orleans, you know, Trey Murphy is still a preferred option over Ace Bailey at this point.

There just seems like there's more room for him for touches where it feels like the camp was afraid that if he ended up in Charlotte with Lamello and Miller already there,

Utah should be plenty of room, but there's a ton of guys that they've drafted and a lot of on-the-ball guards.

Like maybe they're simply looking at this as the vacancy of other people that would get in his way.

And that has to be the reason behind it because it doesn't really make a lot of sense of why you try to be going fifth or eighth instead of third.

Yeah.

All right.

The Duke guys,

Malouak, Cooper Flag, Conknipo.

They're going to go, what,

like all three of them maybe go by, what, seven, eight?

What's the ceiling for all these guys?

And is it high enough that they can go down as like the how did they not win a championship team?

Because that's all I'm rooting for.

Like, I watched them.

Can you believe that they can win it all that's crazy you want to hear something funny is i watched the houston game again

and i took a picture of when they had the ball up what 67 61 with 58 seconds left 57 seconds left and i look and i we already know the outcome because we all watched the game and even when i was re-watching it months later i'm thinking they lost this yeah it was awesome

I almost like posted the picture and said they lost this game.

And then we had John Shire confirmed for like two days later.

And I was like, all right,

I can't do that.

Smart.

No Shire.

That's a fact.

They did lose that game.

They did lose that game.

But how good are these guys?

I think they're all really, really good.

Obviously, we know Cooper Flag.

I think Con Knipple is like, he's going to be very good pro.

And Malowak, his size is like, he kind of fits that new NBA where he could run with anyone and he could protect the rim.

So is it, are all three of these guys, like no doubt, hey, you're going to get a really good player out of him?

I like all three guys a lot.

I think Cooper flagged, the Jesus comps seem a little

outrageous.

Maybe Tom Chambers,

not Jesus?

No.

Like Cooper, the only thing that you would say, and I asked Shire this, and of course, like he was going to say, the other stuff that this guy did in practice, like, don't even worry about it, is you go, okay, if you're taking somebody number one and he's supposed to be the face of a franchise in like four or five years, that also means that he's the number one scoring option, likely.

You know, granted, there are some players that are a little bit more unique.

But, I mean, is he going to have that kind of offensive game?

And I think the people that are around him, whether it was high school and this year at Duke, they're like, he could do more of that stuff if he wanted to, but he actually is like a really willing teammate and passer and speaks to all the other guys that he want to get involved.

So every time you watch Cooper, like the biggest thing, too, was it's not just the size, the athleticism, his anticipation, the defense.

I mean, it's just his passing, all this stuff is that he's a, he's a real like competitor.

Like, it's not a joke.

He's not telling you that he wants to win.

He is expressing to you the urgency with which he plays basketball, how bad he wants to win.

And so it's hard to not just pay attention to him when you're just watching a Duke game.

And then I went back and did the Knipple tape and I thought like, oh, yeah, you know, he'll probably be, you know, in that, in that five to eight range or something like that because he's big.

He scored a lot, scored even more in high school.

He had to defer a little bit.

I'll tell you, after really digging into him, I am so incredibly impressed with the way this guy sees the game.

His off-ball cutting, how he's setting up defenders off the ball.

Like the best way I could describe him is that if you have Knipple on your team and then you just pick whoever the other four are, he would look at who the other four guys are, figure out what they needed, and then he would play.

He would adapt his game to who the other four guys that he was sharing the floor with.

And he showed that when Flag was out.

He showed it when Flag was obviously in.

And he is so smart.

Like VJ's got probably more motherfucker in him.

Trey Johnson makes the most like NBA impressive level shots.

But I think Knipple's approach to the game is the thing that's the most impressive from him.

So I don't know if that's enough for him to go ahead of Vij and go number three, but it seems impossible that he would go outside of three, four, and five.

And then Malowach, you know, he hasn't played the game for a really long time.

And as much as it feels like he's just this incredible lob threat, two things really stood out.

He had a switch in a college game where the point guard hadn't played, like, they didn't know the scattering port on Malowatch at all.

And he switches, he gets him in the switch, like, all right, here we go.

Like, the guard's going to go past this big guy.

Malowatch stays in front of him by moving his feet.

It's not even his wingspan.

Like, the guard couldn't do anything and was like freaked because you could just like, what the fuck was this?

Like, I can't go around this guy.

So it feels like Knipple's in that three to five range.

Malowatch, you know, some people say the floor is Toronto

unless they're going to go with SNG, which is somebody from France who I don't like.

all that much but he just fell down a lot so you know how i get about those players even when they're good i'm like stop falling down all the time uh but those three guys are really special prospects.

But yeah, Big Cat, you're going to be right.

You're going to be able to say, How did that team not win a title?

It's going to be awesome.

It's going to be awesome.

It's going to be like looking at the old Oklahoma City Thunder.

Same thing.

You're right.

Except those guys.

Well, I mean, who left quicker?

The freshmen?

Yeah.

So, yeah.

I mean, those guys are still, Durant and Westbrook were still running things

in 2016.

All ended up being Rockets.

Is that when in a draft?

What?

The Rockets sign Serge Abaka.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Get the game going.

I kind of like that.

Yeah.

What about Jeremiah Fears?

Because like a month ago, if you'd asked me who would I want on my team, I was feeling, I like watching Jeremiah Fears play, the way that he controls the game at point guard.

Are we hearing that he's going to slip a little bit?

No, there's a lot of people that think that Utah would take him as far as like, can you get past a defender?

And there's a lot of guys that think they can that are like big-time scorers and come in with all the accolades.

And he's another one like Cooper that reclassified.

So he should have been a senior in high school this year.

And he comes in and no one can stay in front of him.

Like nobody can stay in front of him.

And some of the stuff that he does, the anticipation of the passing, is really special.

So if you're in the room and you're arguing, hey, this guy has a chance, because this will happen a lot with the draft, which we always have to remind ourselves of, is like you're sitting there at seven or eight.

You're like, okay, this guy's a better player.

We know he could probably be in the rotation with us.

It's a safer pick, but we can't get any stars or free agency.

We can't trade for anybody.

Nobody wants to come to our city.

Is there a chance?

Is there a chance that this person develops into somebody that like becomes an elite level scorer where maybe he makes an all-star game because a couple other guys ask out of it?

Yeah, I could see that Fears conversation.

Like I could see that being part of the conversation for Fears.

A lot of people do think Utah likes him, but if you wanted to shit on him, you go, okay, cool.

He's really small.

He

turned it over more than any other player in the SEC.

He shot 28% from three last year.

I looked at him as high school stats.

Again, high school stats, I can't believe it's 2025.

We can't have a better database for this kind of stuff.

But from what I could find, and then double-checking some of the stuff, like he wasn't over 30% from three there either.

So I'm usually not in a hurry to be like, hey, small guard can't shoot, turns it over a ton, probably can't defend anybody.

Yeah, let's go.

Number five, hand in the cart.

So, so Jeremiah Fear's ceiling is Tyler Huntley.

I would say a more

better condition.

Pro bowler.

Better conditioned.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, he's awesome.

The shooting thing, like, how bad, let me ask you this.

If you're a team and you talk to these guys, like, is there some level of, hey, we can figure out a way to get him to shoot better?

Or is it like your shot kind of is your shot?

And

you're not going to all of a sudden go from a 25% three-point shooter to, oh, man, you're hitting 39%.

Yeah, most people will tell you you can work on it.

Like, if you want to figure this out like a golf swing, you can probably get better at it.

And, you know, percentages can be misleading too, because there are NBA shooters who put up a really nice percentage, but they can only shoot in like one scenario.

Right.

Where it's the muscle memory is down.

It's the catch.

There's no dribble.

It's from like one spot where they're comfortable.

And actually, there's incredible value in just that.

But then there's other guys that can shoot from anywhere, can shoot on the catch, shoot off the dribble.

They can.

calibrate their body and change the shot based on like what they think they need.

And that's, that's like the real elite stuff.

So, you know, there's times where I look at percentages for traffic prospects, and I'll think the player is actually like a good shooter.

Like Dylan Harper shot 33% from three this year.

All right.

He's going to be better than the 33% shooter because a lot of the shots were, hey, we're not that good.

I'm a five-star.

I'm the big deal.

I'm the number one option.

Like some of these kids, I don't really blame them.

Like they're in love with taking some, hey, take a look at this three-pointer.

I mean, you know, it's just what the game has become post-STEP.

So

there's a lot of shot selection stuff that will happen with some kids where I look at their form.

Is it quick enough?

Are they getting it off?

Like, you know, again, Halliburton had probably one of the funkier deliveries ever, and all he's done is shot 40% from three basically every season.

So, you know,

there's more to it than I think than just what are your percentages.

Where then you have Demon at BYU, who apparently is lighting it up in these pre-workouts.

And I loved him at six, eight and a half and playing point guard and some of his passing.

But he's is not, I mean, he didn't just miss this year.

He like, I was kidding, but like his misses are violent, like violent misses from three.

So where I look at his percentage, I'm like, that seems to make more sense, even though apparently, again,

he's, I guess, killing it in some of these pre-draft workouts, which is shocking because in-game, it was pretty rough.

So besides him, who outside of the consensus top eight are you looking at?

and saying, I like that guy more than what the experts are ranking Matt?

Well, it's funny because I don't look at Vassini's stuff until I'm like, I feel like I'm comfortable.

Like, I don't want to look at his and then do all my work.

And then I was watching Cedric Coward started D3,

was at Eastern Washington, played six games this year for Washington State because his coach came over, had a shoulder injury, was shut down for the season.

I still don't even think he's cleared for three on three stuff right now.

And I watched him and I'm like, am I losing my mind?

But is this guy incredible?

And I text Messini, I was like, hey, what do you got on?

Like, just like, do you like this dude?

He's like, yeah, I have him ninth.

I was like, whoa.

All right.

And now, you know, people are seeing that going, that's insane.

You guys are nuts because we were raving about him last week on my pod.

And it's, it's just like, look, the competition is not very good.

The only good team he played was Iowa last year.

And it was probably his worst of the six games.

So maybe I'm getting a little carried away.

But when you look at the physicality, the shooting numbers, which are incredible across the board, how he just was this wing who seemed like he can score on everybody.

And then one game, it was like, hey, I'm just going to post up dudes right now just to show you that I have the full arsenal.

He makes a lot of sense, probably outside of that eight to nine range, into the uncertainty of what the rest of the lottery and teams are going to be.

Because that's where I think it's going to be a little bit more wild.

You got a favorite Euro guy?

I feel like America's back.

We kind of were dominating this draft after a couple that we didn't.

But do you have a favorite Euro guy?

Well,

Traore's like watching a colt being born.

We're like, is it going to run away and look beautiful or is it going to fall down?

He doesn't shoot it great.

Reminds me of Mello a little, but

when he's out there, you feel him, right?

He's this lanky point guard running around.

Again, he hasn't shot it great, but he plays with such incredible energy that sometimes it's like, man, that's a lot of energy you're playing with.

Essenge, who I mentioned, is a French kid who's playing in the German league.

And I can tell, like, I'll look at some of the reports on him and I think, did you guys watch him?

Or are you just looking at this?

Because his free throw rate was nuts.

He was like, oh, this guy's so efficient.

He lives at the line.

The shit he got called in his favor.

Like, I can't.

I just can't imagine an NBA ref going, yeah, let's send him to two for the line.

Like, you deserve that.

Where he's not even facing the hoop on some of these shots.

Yeah.

And he's like turning around and then chucks.

Like, Dame Lillard would be embarrassed.

Dame would be like, dude, don't ruin this for the rest of us.

Some teams really like him.

Some teams think he could go in the top 10.

I'm not as big of a fan.

I might be totally wrong.

We'll see his team still playing.

So we don't even know if he's going to make it to the draft or not, but he's definitely going in the first round.

Baron Jose is the other French kid who like plays center and he actually plays center.

Like he's he's somebody I like, at least for the fact that he knows exactly who he's going to be, instead of some of these 6'10, 6'11 guys that want to be small forwards, and they're not.

Um, this guy's a center.

He said a screen on a guard in this game I watched last week where it was such a violent screen, and I thought it was legal.

They call the foul on him, and the official's looking at him, basically being like, That guy's so banged up, like a car crash after he ran in your screen.

Like, I think I have to give him this call right now.

And he's looking at him going, like, what?

Like, the first, I think, 12 makes that I saw from him were all just right at the rim, dunked.

He has no interest in doing anything else.

And sometimes that can actually be a good thing for a team because it's like he doesn't want to show you what he's capable of in a few years.

He already understands the assignment.

Yeah.

I got a question for you about the New York Knicks and their coaching search.

You think they're to the point where they pick up the phone, made called Alabama, made Oates.

Ah, man.

Is Izzo,

or what about Condoleezza Rice?

Are they going to get a coach for real?

This is a shit show.

Yeah, I don't think any of it matters.

You know, I think it's like something that's really easy to make fun of.

Very easy.

If they win games, which they're going to, no one is going to be talking about this in a year.

No one.

So I don't know why they would necessarily do this to embarrass themselves, but to me, this is not like...

This is one of your buddies that's a great guy that does something embarrassing, and it's just not going to hang on him as opposed to somebody else.

Like, it's also the Knicks, so people like to shit on him.

I think there's a lot of good one-liners out of all this stuff.

But ultimately, none of this is ever going to matter.

It's just not like it's a very, if you want to pile on, you can use it.

I would like to pile on.

We're going to pile on.

I know.

I know, man.

You love to get on top.

You love to.

You know, man.

Stay on top.

That's what we say on this podcast.

Pile drop.

Get on top.

Stay on top.

I just wanted to get on top of the Knicks, and then I also wanted to get on top of Rico at the same time, which is why I thought maybe Nate Oates to the Knicks could make everybody happy.

Who was, was it Izzo that was going to fix everybody there for a while?

Remember when Izzo was going to coach the Michigan State football team?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

He was going to fix everybody.

We are so fucking stupid sometimes.

But I love it.

I love it because it's also like, maybe he could.

I don't know.

That guy can coach.

Nothing's better than the Condoleezza Rice Browns.

No, I still can't believe it's real.

I think about it once a week.

I think about it.

I text you every now and then.

Like, what are you doing?

Like, thinking about Conda Leezer Rice with a headset up.

This is real.

They need a CEO.

That's really what it is.

We need a head coach who's a CEO.

Who would you guys most want to coach the Knicks?

It's all on the table.

Probably Jay Wright.

Rick Brunson would be funny.

It would.

It would be very funny.

You'd have to admit, it would be very funny.

If Cuomo doesn't win the election, probably him.

Yeah.

How about those numbers?

Yeah.

Wild.

The real answer is I I would love for them.

I'm not super political, but I just saw it.

I would love for them to strike out and then have to rehire Tibbs.

That would be

Tibbs would do it.

Yeah, why not?

If they pay you.

It's a rum situation.

Yeah, fuck it.

Like, I knew they hated me.

Tibbs strikes me as a guy who, it's not like he's walking around being like, everyone fucking loves me in this building.

So I don't think it would change much.

Tibbs loves basketball so much, he would probably do it.

Yeah, yeah, he loves basketball so much.

We've told this story, I mean, you probably know it.

Like the fact that he was going to get married, and he was like, Yeah, actually, I'm not getting married because you are going to make me not be able to be a basketball coach all the time.

And he just had the foresight to be like, Yeah, we're just not going to do this.

I did it because of podcasting.

Yeah,

married to the game.

Exactly.

That's commitment.

That's commitment.

You know how many fights I've avoided by just like I've actually done society a favor by being resilient in my solitude because I just know the arguments that I've avoided.

And, you know, who knows?

I mean, the butterfly effect.

Say I had a wife and she's like, I can't believe he's watching another fucking game.

And then she crashes into somebody at Ralph's grocery store.

You know?

Yeah.

Who knows?

You've made so many women so happy by not marrying them.

Yeah.

I've done more for women than anybody.

You love feminism.

More than yeah.

Any married man.

You're a feminist at heart have you ever played solitaire during an nba playoff game

at home on my couch probably

you're a solitaire guy

no uh

i don't think so i mean back in the day with espn every now and then you remember that golf game that they used to have that mini golf game on espn.com in the early 2000s there was always that one hole that was like if you could get that in a hole in one then you you know once you started breaking it like i think the lowest score you could get was like a North Korean score wherever you hole was a hole in one.

But it was really, really hard to do.

So we used to do that sometimes during the break because those shows were six hours long, I remember.

Yeah.

On those Saturday, Saturday night overnights.

But during a game, like at, look, I'll admit, you know, you get a little distracted on your phone live at a game every now and then.

You know, is that dog actually underwater?

It was a cool video.

And I'll say that, like, at the beginning of the video, I was like, wait, is this real?

And then when we could audibly hear the dog barking at the shark

as the shark banged into his scuba.

You don't think the dog would bark?

No, I think the dog would bark.

I don't think we'd be able to hear it.

Well, we don't know how it was mic'd.

That's true.

That's true.

Wasn't he mic'd up?

He had a laugh.

I missed that.

Yeah, I missed that.

All right.

What are you really asking me, by the way?

What?

About Solitaire?

Yeah.

Just wondering what your thoughts were on Solitaire Gate.

You zagged pretty hard i was just curious i want to know you're in the biz ryan what i just can't imagine i can't imagine you ever uh playing a game on your computer during an nba finals game

let's just say if that were to happen

i would be pretty bummed out with myself yeah unless it was a really good solitaire game Because that's the part that people miss, that Stephen A.

Smith actually had a really good solitaire game going.

How does he not see that six over there?

I would be,

I think the lesson in all of this is that some people are to a level where there's like this acceptance of it doesn't even matter.

Like nothing even matters.

Which I don't know if that's good or bad.

Well, but okay, so it did matter a little.

And I didn't say this on Monday's show, but

Stephen A.

Smith, his daughter's a little too old to be using her as a shield.

He really needed his daughter to be like five.

i'm not kidding any of that what would

how let's talk about this way what it depends the truth hypothetically what would stephen a smith say about an nba player if he made the organization go out of their way to bring that player's child into the organization if that were to ever happen in the nba do you think stephen would have a problem with it can the kids shoot

not that great

did you guys already do this segment oh no no

I was ruminating on that take.

Like, it was, I just, like, usually, like, when people bring out their kids' shields, being like, I'm facing a little controversy, it's like, you know, the kids, like, running around really cute.

Everyone's like, oh, look at this cute kid.

It's not like a full-blown adult.

I have nothing to add to this.

I'm staying out of it.

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My last question for you, Ryan, is, are you going to run a six-minute mile this year?

You and I talked about it.

This is a big, big controversy on the show where

Make it quick.

I don't do a great job of that, but like, just what would you be excited about, right?

If, like, what would you be excited?

You'd be excited to rep out 225.

I think you'd be excited for most people to bench 225 once.

If you could rep 135 one time, like, good for you.

You're in there.

Never going to be critical to anybody.

That's aging.

That's understanding that, like, hey, we're all in this together.

I don't want to be an orphan of society.

And

yet, when I brought up the mile, just off the top of my head, I was like, yeah, I think like a six-minute mile, like if you run, but nobody just runs a a mile.

Nobody runs a mile to just test themselves.

And then it turned into the marathon crowd being like, are you guys out of your mind?

7.30 is like the best split.

And then, of course, that's what happens.

Like people consistently prove their selfishness to me all the time that their argument was only about what it was that they were doing in the normal thing.

So Big Cat and I talked about this.

Big Cat, which I appreciate.

I don't think it was the friendship.

He was like, you're 100% right about this whole thing.

Like nobody would run one mile and then come to work on Monday being like, 7.42, dudes.

He'd be like, wait, you ran one of them?

No, it's a fact.

At some point, like, you stop worrying about your mile time.

I would say that that age is maybe 10th grade and you don't really care what you can run one mile in.

And you just, you know.

Unless you run it.

Yeah, unless you're like on a track team.

Yeah.

But then you reach the age where it's like, okay, I'm going to run more than a mile because I'm just

trying to stay in shape.

I'm not trying to run.

Five canes in 100 meters.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, right.

Like there's just very few people being like, I'm going to figure this thing out.

Although Big Cat told me, and again, because he was on my side, but you went out and ran a mile just to prove that you could do it because nobody thought you could do it, right?

Yeah, no, people were like, oh, you can't, it's over 10 minutes easy.

I went out.

I ran like a 740.

It killed me.

I was crushed.

I felt like crap.

I wanted to die.

Did you go out too fast?

I went, I just pushed myself to the limit.

I'm not in good shape.

But it's, I do think people like.

If you've done anything,

if you're, if you've done anything in your life that's like remotely athletic, you could, you still have a baseline that like 740 is not.

And I did, I didn't go around bragging to people, be like, hey, dude, I ran a 740.

If someone tells you they ran a six-minute mile, I would be like, dude, that's fucking crazy.

Like, that's fast.

That's a really fast.

That's sprinting

as fast as you can.

It's a 10.

It's a 10 on the treadmill the whole time.

It's crazy.

And I used to try to do it when I was younger.

And I don't think I ever, I don't think I ever got it.

I think I'd get to like the 0.08.

And then I would just be like, you're going to, something's going to blow.

Like, you've got it now the treadmill is driving you you're not even running right now and it's gonna be really bad am i gonna train for it i've wanted to just to kind of do a hey everybody off because like whenever any of us talk about any of this stuff they seem to think that like that's impossible and i'm like i probably could but you know i'd get i'd get a lot skinnier and i don't want to do that it's taken me forever to have this much mass i'm not ready to give it up that's why i'm not going on love island

good point you're finally at a place in life where you're happy with your body yeah you got a great body Body possibility.

I have a great body.

Fuck everybody.

Don't apologize.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I look.

I was checking myself out the other day.

I was like,

the reason I'm single is like, I don't know if anybody deserves this.

Yeah.

And you can fuck yourself.

I've seen videos, but I don't know if they're real.

Oh, the dog.

The dog scuba diving.

Hank got caught by that.

He got caught by the kittens jumping off the high dive

by that.

The kittens in the Olympics.

Yeah, that one is real.

Yeah.

Well, there was like an AI roided up

de shambeau on threads.

And I think big cat can understand.

Like, I just wrote fake.

And the guy was like, dude, I'm just having fun.

It's great, though.

We got to keep honest.

We got to keep modest.

Yeah, right.

Like, we don't need this shit because people are now being desensitized.

I think there's something to be said.

I don't know if it's a book or a TED Talk or whatever, but no one's impressed with anything anymore.

Yeah.

And sometimes every now and then, allow yourself to be impressed.

I am impressed with the Oklahoma City Thunder and their organization.

That's a great tieback.

That's a great point.

Yeah.

Great tieback.

10 out of 10 stuck the landing.

Bang.

There was one guy online I saw yesterday that had a picture of him and his mom from he was like, he was like four years old in this picture, and his mom was obviously like a grown lady.

He's like, this is the most fantastic

use case I've ever seen for AI.

And then he turned that picture into a video of his mom and him hugging.

And he's like, This is now one of my most cherished memories that I have-a fake video of him hugging his mom.

Oh, that's actually pretty sad.

Yeah, very sad.

It's really sad.

Yeah, I apologize about trying to keep up with the banter.

Um,

it was so I have nothing to add.

I have no idea.

This is just like the solitaire topic.

I have nothing to add.

Yeah, I was impressed by that fan at the LSU game.

Yeah,

I looked at that twice.

All right, Ryan, you're the best.

We love you.

Enjoy vacation wherever you're going.

Yeah, I mean, looking at St.

Helena.

Okay.

Napoleon exile.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I was going to put myself through the same exile.

Minus.

I got a picture, or I got a piece of Napoleon's DNA.

You want to bring it there?

Bought it for $250.

Yeah.

Okay.

No, $250 online.

Got a piece of his hair.

Did you spend half a million on Napoleon's dick and it's fake?

That's irrelevant.

I did.

I did.

I love when Connor, like Logan, asked Connor about him spending money on a fake Napoleon dick.

And he's like, that's irrelevant.

It's irrelevant.

All right.

Thanks, Ryan.

Appreciate it.

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He is an NBA champ as of less less than 24 hours ago.

It is Isaiah Hartenstein from the Oklahoma City Thunder.

I mean, it's crazy.

We're talking to you.

It's been 12 hours.

Have you been doing media?

Like, are we the first to say you're an NBA champ?

I mean, right after the game, you heard it a couple of times, but I mean, now, y'all, the next day, definitely the first for sure.

Yeah.

So

you win.

Let's talk game seven.

You win game seven.

Everything's happening.

Did you ever, in your wildest imagination, be like, I'm going to someday win an NBA title and then my son is going to go viral for sleeping?

Oh, yeah.

Wait, he's awake actually right now.

Oh, okay.

Oh, this is good.

We'll give him a little

cameo.

Oh, yeah.

Can you break the news to him that dad's a champion?

He could care less.

All he wanted to do was go home and listen to Elmo.

He didn't care about anything about NBA championships.

um, that's hilarious.

It was an awesome movie.

How old is he?

He's one.

He just turned one.

Okay, because I had your back in the moment because I have three kids.

I was like, dude, they sleep when they sleep.

Like, this is actually a good thing.

You just, you know, when they're ready to sleep, just let them sleep.

Yeah, that was, it was amazing.

I mean, I need, I might need like the arena sound now for the crib because he was dead asleep.

Like, he doesn't even sleep that good at home.

So I'm like, I need to figure this out or something.

But it was an amazing moment, and now he's up, up.

There we go.

Yeah, the moment when I think Shay was the one who like tried to pick up his head a little was very funny.

Yeah, oh, yeah, I was very bad at multitasking.

She was asking questions,

his head was falling to the side.

But I have great teammates who helped me with my father and, you know, and then so it was, it was good.

I love that.

So, so, what happens after you guys win?

What was last night like for you guys?

I mean, first of all, you just feel the great emotions.

I mean, I think just as a group, you're with these guys probably more than your family.

So just kind of experiencing that together was something truly amazing.

And then after that, we went to,

we tried to do this champagne, whatever it's called, party, but no one knew how to do it.

Like we were all trying to figure out and ACU was trying to explain to us how to do it.

So it was probably the worst champagne shower probably in NBA history.

But um, we had fun with that for sure.

I would love that.

Your team's so young, and then you're like, Hey, Unc Alex Caruso, who's how old is he?

Oh, yeah, he's 30, yeah,

old man on the team.

Like, he's the only one who knows how to open up a bottle of champagne.

Yeah,

the crazy thing is, I think it was like for like three people, it was like the first time they even drank alcohol.

Oh, that's that is nuts!

That is great.

Did they get hammered?

First timers?

I mean, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

some guys got a little

fun last night, but

they earned it for sure.

Yeah.

In terms of the actual game, it was weird because obviously the Halliburton injury happens and it kind of takes a little of the air out of the out of like the whole game seven.

Did you feel it like affect your side as well?

Because you guys were down at half where it was like not so much like that you're feeling bad for him, but it's just kind of weird.

You plan on playing this guy who's been incredible and had this insane run and then he's out for the rest of the game.

You're like, all right, what are we doing here?

We got TJ McConnell now for extended minutes.

Did it feel like weird after he went down?

I mean, first of all, like my prayers just go out to them.

I think having an injury like that

is always something sad to see.

He was amazing at all playoffs.

But I think for us, it was kind of just getting back to, I mean, yeah, you never want to see it, but we were trying to get back to zero.

I mean, that's been our kind of motto all season, get back to that that zero-zero mentality.

And yeah, even with Dalton, had a great team.

I mean, TJ McCollum was,

felt like Michael George has some, like

he would have some stretches where he had gone.

I mean, he was really impressed with his whole playoffs.

But yeah, we just wanted to make sure that we just stayed locked in

and got it done.

Yeah.

Can you take me back to last year, July 1st, 2024, when you decided that you were going to sign with the Thunder?

And what was going through your head, why you made that decision?

Did things play out the way that you thought they would?

Or was there, you know, you thought that it was the right place for you to be, but maybe even you were surprised with how this year went?

I think I was more surprised.

I mean, you always saw the culture from the outside.

Like you saw Sam Prestley always built a great culture with the Thunder, but then really being in it to see how...

amazing the culture really is.

We really just have to focus on basketball here.

And I think he's done a great job just building that out.

And so now being here,

winning a championship, I mean, it was always a goal, but it's never promised.

And so, yeah, I mean, for me, it worked out perfectly.

It worked out perfectly.

Yeah, there was a take

when you decided to sign with Oklahoma City.

This is from Nick Central that posted this in reaction to the news.

Welp, Isaiah Hartenstein went for the short-term money and not for the chance to win a championship at NYC and be a legend for eternity and have long-term money.

Enjoy irrelevance.

Are you enjoying irrelevance?

Yeah, it feels pretty good.

Like the champagne, it feels

the confetti coming out holding the trophy.

It feels pretty good.

But I got love for my Knicks people, man.

They're so passionate.

They're so good for basketball.

I'll take that comment and I'll take my ring in a couple of months too.

So, yeah.

Yeah, but the Thunder have have some incredible fans as well.

Uh, do you at any point during the season, did you see Thundor out there with his shirt off and his belly painted?

Because I feel like this is partially his championship, too.

And pretty much everyone who put on a shirt, anyone who puts on a shirt,

you know, in your guys' arena, like they won this championship as well.

Yeah.

I mean, I saw him the first time I saw him was

he had his shirt off in Summerlee.

Like, he was ready to go in Summerlee.

I was like, what is going

on here?

But they're amazing, man.

The community is so behind us.

And they give us a push every game.

I mean,

every game, every home game, everyone's wearing a shirt.

It could be an 80-year-old person or it could be a four-year-old.

No one cares.

They were wearing a shirt.

And I think it just gave us really a boost, especially at home.

I think our home record was in the playoffs.

It was like 12 and 2 or something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the two were just insane like losses at the end of the Nuggets and the Pacers.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was crazy.

I mean, Aaron Gordon was

the crazy game winner.

Hale Bernard, crazy game winner.

But yeah, our fans are amazing.

Yeah.

So you lose game one.

Kind of a crazy comeback.

That's what the Pacers have been doing all postseason.

Was that, could you spin zone that and say it was actually a good thing we lost game one because it shocked us and it made us ready to play for full game for every single other game that we had against them?

I mean, we kind of, we kind of knew, knew it coming into it.

I mean, they were doing it all playoffs.

I mean, the

comebacks they've had,

I mean, you would watch it and you would,

I don't even know how they came back from that.

So we also kind of knew it.

But

yeah, I mean, it kind of helped us for sure.

I mean, I think just this, that was kind of mentality throughout these playoffs.

I mean, throughout the series, is how can we stay locked in 48 minutes?

They're a great team, and

even when you feel like the games, you have control of the game, they can come back just with their pace and the way they play.

And so, yeah.

Yeah.

I got a basketball question for you.

So in these playoffs,

especially in these finals, you went from starting to coming off the bench for a few of the games to start the series.

How hard is that as a player to be like, I'm now starting the game on the bench?

Was and it's credit to you, like it felt like the Thunder had that type of team chemistry where guys can be interchangeable, guys can play different amounts of minutes.

But is that difficult to be like, All right, I'm used to starting and now I'm going to have to come off the bench in like these high-leverage situations?

Yeah, um,

I think if you want to win, you have to sacrifice, and so I think

knowing that

I was able to put my ego aside and I trust Mark fully.

I mean, Mark's been great for us all season.

I trust the decisions he's making.

So it's more, I just want to win so bad.

And if it's me playing one minute, me playing 40 minutes,

to me, it doesn't matter.

I think just,

I mean, if you look at our whole team, each series, someone else sacrificed.

And so I think that's what made us special again.

And it was no egos involved.

No one was in the locker room pouting because he played, let's say, 10 less minutes in the series.

Before it was how can I help the team win?

And I think that that's what also makes us so connected to.

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Yeah.

If you played one-on-one versus Lou Dort, are you scoring a point?

Yeah.

Are you sure?

Yeah.

Lou Dort would probably lock you down.

No.

Yeah.

That's light.

Dorts are slightly better.

Yeah.

No, that's light.

But I feel like Lou Dort, he doesn't get enough credit and your whole team.

Like, can you feel when you guys were playing at your highest level, the defense was just so insane?

Would you like look at each other and say, like, hey, we got them now?

Like, we know what, like, because it was, it was, like, demoralizing to watch what you would do to other teams where it's not always the offense.

It's just, like, you're so suffocating, hands everywhere, loose balls, all that stuff.

Could you feel like you're taking the will of other teams during the season?

Yeah, I mean, I think there was times throughout the season where, i mean even throughout the playoffs where we weren't shooting good but we knew we could rely on our defense i think for us it's special that we to me i don't think we really had a weak link on defense i mean

even shay's a great defender to me so it's like when you have five guys on the court at all time i mean

when lou lou dork comes out you have

Alex Perusso, Casey Wallace.

And so probably as the guards, every time I look to the bench or see someone getting subbed in, I thought like, oh, damn, he's coming in.

Damn, I'm another one.

So it's,

I think, something that really made us throughout the year because we always had that energy and it's always someone coming in.

And I probably never played on a team where top to bottom, we all had great defenders.

Yeah, just wave after wave of guys.

I got a dumb question for you.

Have you ever thought about talking to SGA and being like, hey, man, maybe you shouldn't sign 500 autographs before a game?

That might be too many many autographs.

I'm gonna lie.

I saw that video the NBA posted it.

Yeah.

Like there was like a ticker.

I'm like, I would be exhausted.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, he's a great dude.

Like, just to do that, like, he's so humble and then, like, he's so connected to the fans.

But, like, I got tired watching him.

I'm like,

but I don't know.

He has, I guess, stamina for days.

My hand would have been cramping by probably like 200.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

Yeah.

For like actually on a serious level, I think that my hand would be too injured to play basketball if I had to write my name 500 times.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That would have, I mean, if he would have gone to our dark space, hey, doc, I can't play.

I just strained my hand, signing autographs, I think, I think people would be pissed around the organization for sure.

Dumb question because it happened before the game, but were you aware of the video that was going around about the buses being painted for the championship parade?

Because obviously that's something that we're sitting here on our phone being like uh-oh this is a problem did you guys did anyone in the locker room see that video I mean I saw it but I feel like they have to do it like before probably Indiana they're probably doing the same thing yes our business just got leaked so

right I mean it wasn't like they were gonna do it like a day before and try to do it fast as possible so it's probably they were both teams were doing it but our team just got leaked but I mean I don't know yeah you can't have it leaked You gotta take care of that in-house.

Yeah, you can't, you can't, because you're right.

Like, they do have to make the plans, but was there ever, did anyone talk about it before the game?

Like, hey, look at this.

What this was like, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

No, we didn't really.

I mean, we were just focused on the game.

I mean, you have enough emotions going into game seven that kind of stuff like that, you just kind of push to aside.

So, yeah, what were the emotions that you were feeling before that game?

I mean, it's human nature.

You have a certain nervousness to you because you know how

drastic of a change it would be.

I mean, if you win, you're in the happiest.

I mean, I'm like grateful beyond measures, happy beyond measures.

But if you lose, I mean, I told my wife, I'm like, if we look like,

if this goes the other way, I might be in my room for three weeks not talking to you, depressing my room.

So it's really like those.

two big different sways

about it.

So you have that nervousness to you, but I think the pressure is also a privilege.

You grow up wanting to play in these high-stake games.

And so that's kind of where I got back to being more calm, just noticing that the pressure is a privilege.

How many times do you go to the bathroom before the game?

I would go to the bathroom 100 times before the game.

I ain't gonna lie, I went like five times.

Yeah, yeah.

And you're like, oh, I don't have no piss left, but I still got to do it.

I'd be the other way.

Yeah.

I mean, do both, but like, you know, like, when you have that, like, nervousness, like, I'm just going check if I have to piss again.

Yeah, it was a good, it's a couple horns usually for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's just human nature.

Was there anyone who was just like living in the bathroom?

Please don't tell me it was Alex Crusoe.

I mean, I didn't really track that.

So I wasn't really, I wasn't really following everything to the bathroom.

So I'll ask my teammates after you can get back to it.

I feel like it was chat was probably.

You didn't have to track it.

Just like, did you see anyone more than once?

Where you're like, you're going five times.

Did you see anyone like, oh, here we are again?

No.

Not really.

I might have been the most thing because I was kind of by myself a lot.

So

I might have been up there.

You know, AC's old bladder, he might have been

a little fast.

He's got some kidney stones he's got to pass.

Did you guys talk at all about, there was a play, I think it was maybe game five, when

Alex cruzo who's a friend of ours uh he was he basically was trying to swim on the floor to get a loose ball and he looked psychotic did you did anyone make fun of him after that i mean we're used to it he's a psychopath so

we're used i mean he's amazing man i mean

the passion he has for the game um

the grit and hustle he plays with um all playoffs he's made huge plays and yeah for us he's he's been amazing he's been the old the old guy for us, the bald guy for us.

And yeah, he keeps his head shining for sure.

Yeah.

All right.

So now that you get to actually plan the parade and you get to use those very beautiful bosses that you guys painted like five months ago,

who's going to be in charge on your team?

Who's the guy that's going to be like the social director being like, hey, we're going to meet up here.

Here's where we're going to pre-game.

How's that going to get pulled together?

I mean, most of us are recovering right now.

I mean, a couple guys are trying to survive right now.

Jay Wool is most the most social guy, probably.

So Jay Will probably is going to be the guy to get everything started.

And yeah, then after that, I don't know.

I mean, I don't even know what's going on, to be honest.

Yeah.

They said show up at 8.30.

And I guess we're just going to figure it out from there.

So I don't know.

So it was a group chat this morning.

It was like three guys being like, I am so fucking hungover right now.

Unless we win another championship, I'm I'm never drinking again.

That was the whole group chat.

I'm done drinking.

I hate alcohol.

Yeah, that was the whole group chat this morning.

I have one more question about the series.

We mentioned him, TJ McConnell.

Was there moments where you're like, how the hell is this guy doing this?

I'm like a foot taller than him.

And he would just dribble around, like underneath everyone and around.

And just like,

he, he had such an impact on the series, and it was crazy to watch.

Yeah, it was, I felt like he just just played like a madman out there.

It was like, I mean,

like you would watch him be like, how is he doing this at times?

And then you would go defend him.

You'd be like, oh, oh, okay, I get it.

I get it.

I get it.

It's not as easy as I thought it was.

Like, there's maybe sometimes I watch players.

I'm like, how does he get by him the whole time?

And then when you really get on him, it's a different ballgame.

But he was amazing.

I mean, even defensively, he had like, I think it was one away game.

He had like five steals off the inbound.

Yeah.

But, like, I don't know how we, like, we watched the film.

He was like, how did we turn these balls over?

But I don't know.

He, he was amazing.

A lot of respect in him.

And, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, it was, uh, it was impressive.

You guys were a great team all season.

Was there a point during the season where you thought, yeah, this could be, we could definitely win a championship with this squad?

I mean, I think we had confidence from the beginning, but I think when we went on that,

things like 15 game winning streak, I think that's when we were like, hey,

we have a good chance.

We were beating teams, I feel like by like 20 every night.

And I think that's when we like kind of looked at each other like, hey, we got a chance to really do it.

But we also are very like present focused teams.

So we never try to get too far ahead.

And I think that's what made us great all season.

Mark talks about having that zero-zero mentality.

And so for us, just being present throughout the season, I think that helped a lot.

Yeah.

Is it easy to keep the zero-zero mentality?

Like hypothetically, if you're beating the Memphis Grizzlies by like 60 points, is he still like, hey, guys, it's 0-0?

Yeah,

he's like one of them psychopath coaches who's who like shows us like animals before we play, like animals hunting and stuff like that.

So he's definitely, he's definitely one of the guys that were up by 60.

We got that 0-0 mentality.

I like that.

I love that.

All All right.

Well, Isaiah, I have one last question.

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I got a stat for you that's going to probably wow you from this season.

You ready for it?

Yeah, that's good.

You

gave SGA

2,475

high fives at the free throw line this year.

That real stat.

No, I made that up.

Yeah, I'm like, there's no fucking way.

That's a real stat.

I'm like, whoever's tracking that has no life.

Did you ever at home?

Got there, like, a little piece of paper.

It's like, all right, what?

Yeah.

Dude, it has no life.

Did you ever skip any?

Did you ever, or you always, are you always giving him out?

No, I make sure.

I make sure my hand's always out there.

Okay.

I would say

you want the ball every now and then so you can't, you know, can't get into bad.

That's more impressive than him signing 500 autographs.

Yeah.

Your hand should be exhausted at the end of this year.

I know.

They should like count how many times that we'd be clapping and stuff like that.

It should be exhausted.

That's wearing tear, man.

That counts.

Yeah.

Well, Isaiah, congrats again, man.

Awesome, awesome season.

Incredible accomplishment.

You guys were, I mean, second most wins all time of a championship team in a season.

Hell of a team.

So congrats and have fun at the parade.

Thank you.

Appreciate y'all.

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Okay, Hank.

Let's wrap it up with FAQs.

Do you guys have a...

Do you guys have big numbers outside the U.S.?

I'm a listener from Brazil, and I'm curious about it.

American sports are pretty global these days.

Oh.

When you comment, you say J-A-J-A-J-A-J-A when something's funny.

Ja-ja-ja-ja-ja-ja-ja.

That always seems funnier.

What do anyone know the answer to that?

We have some Australian,

European,

Indian.

Maybe I'm just making up.

I feel like we had a lot of Netherlands for some reason.

I think we have a lot of English, British.

Definitely a lot of Australian.

Some Irish, a lot of

down in the street.

From abroad.

Yeah.

I love it.

I think number two in Canada.

Two.

Yep.

Let's go, Canada.

Chiclet's number one.

Our guys?

Yep.

Yep.

We love them.

What about Italy?

How are the Italian numbers?

Got to be strong.

I mean, all the soccer talk.

Yeah, we can get Rick Petino on.

All the soccer talk.

All the meatball talk.

Mount Rush no season probably blows up there.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know what our

strongest countries.

It would be interesting.

I think it's Australia.

It is.

Pretty sure.

Australia.

Good idea.

That makes me feel good because Australians rule.

Like, if they like us,

I feel like we're doing something right.

Yeah, Australians are the best.

Yeah.

And And it

totally isn't just people from America who live there.

No, it's criminals from England.

Yeah, it's totally.

It's actually all the people that

were so cool that they got kicked out of England when it sucked.

Yeah.

All right, he's looking right now.

We're not.

We're okay in Australia, maybe.

What's the number one sports podcast?

There's a lot in Australia.

This is a lot of scrolling.

We got to get.

Yeah.

I mean, Kangaroo Jack.

All right,

we to get bigger in Australia.

Number one podcast is Dan Does Footy.

Oh, I love that.

That's awesome.

We should get Dan Doesie.

We should get him on.

Yeah.

Dan Does Footy.

Little crossover.

Probably Ozzy Rules Footy.

Maybe.

Go up the Magpies.

Okay.

Hey, there.

Oh, Monaco.

You're a huge Monaco.

No.

M's.

Oh, for Mount Rushmore?

Monaco?

Good one.

Yeah, I mean, you said that Michelin-starred restaurants didn't make the cut.

Yeah.

Monaco is like the city of the world.

I agree, but it's just a bunch of casinos.

It does rock.

I was just thinking

about Monaco.

Yeah.

Actually, we should try.

Miami.

We should try to grow our audience in Monaco.

Yeah, we should.

I think that'd be a good idea.

Maybe it would have been a way to remote broadcast on site.

Yeah.

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Big Cat, it seems you have reached a point of nirvana now that you have a soft serve machine.

What is the next goal for the office?

Slide.

We need to slide.

We need to slide from the second floor to the first floor.

You don't want.

Did you see that look?

I mean, I wouldn't poo-poo a slide.

Did you see that look?

I wouldn't yuck another man's yum.

Did you see that look?

I mean, that was talked about in construction designs.

Yeah, I know.

And I'm like,

I'm now ready for a slide.

That makes no sense.

Why?

Batting cage.

Batting cage is, but we need more space for batting cage.

I'll forever say batting cage.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, if we get more space, batting cage is 1-1 going to be.

We have so many baseball guys coming in now.

Yeah.

It would be

so sick.

Batting cage would be sick.

What do you think they would do?

You think they would let you pitch batting practice to them?

I mean, I think they said.

I don't know.

Should I say the guy?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they were here.

Yeah, yeah.

Meryl Kelly said

we got to try that during the interview.

Yeah.

Okay.

A slide, though.

I still think Gravatron.

I actually saw a Gravatron for sale for $70,000.

Yeah, if we could find the space.

Practically giving it away.

You wouldn't like a slide from the second floor all the way to the first floor?

You wouldn't slide down that slide?

It's not a...

It doesn't make logistical sense.

What do you mean?

There's no room.

Stairs suck.

Slides are going to be.

It would take up a lot of space.

How would it take up a lot of space?

Where would it end?

It would end right in front of the golf simulator.

That's a long slide.

So?

If we had one like the

slide that the cop went down in Boston, that would be fun.

Like a risk-reward slide.

Okay, we could figure that out.

What about a fireman's pole?

That sounds dangerous.

Yeah, that does sound dangerous.

Okay.

So you're out on the slide.

That idea.

I think if we get a slide, we should have a ladder.

Actually, no, I'm in.

You're in on a slide.

Yeah.

Why?

Because otherwise you're going to get one.

You're smart.

But think about it.

If you had a choice of how to get to the second floor and your options were stairs or a ladder that just goes up to that balcony, I think I'd take the ladder every time.

I'd probably take the ladder.

Yeah.

And I would definitely take the slide.

Yeah, if you're going down.

Up.

I'd probably walk up the slide every now and then just for fun.

We have an elevator.

You don't have to use the stairs.

But you have to go all the way in the corner.

I take it every day.

It's slow.

The problem with the elevator is you have to walk so much further to the elevator.

You might as well take the stairs.

So then what's the next thing, Hank?

I don't know.

I mean, ice cream kind of was the dog chasing the car.

I caught it.

Ball pit.

Batting cages.

Ball pit, batting cages.

But batting cages, again, batting cages are not like, do we want it or not?

We want it.

We just don't have the space for it.

I know.

We'd have the space for it.

We'd have a batting cage tomorrow.

I understand, but they asked, what's the dream?

That's the dream, at least for me.

That's the dream.

Shooting range.

Shooting range would be interesting.

I wouldn't be opposed.

Bowling lane?

Bowling lane would be awesome if we could bowl.

Holy shit.

That's a great idea.

That's a good one, Henry.

That's a really good one.

Guaranteed that would break twice a day.

Oh, yeah.

Well, we would just have Zach.

Pinboys.

Zach just becomes a mechanic.

That's something you could do, Zach.

That would take more time to master than the ice cream.

Way more time.

What is everyone's top four sports by ability?

Max mentioned basketball isn't even in his top 10, and he still hit that three in Hank's eye.

That's not true.

No, it was in your eye.

The video showed.

It was in your eye.

I don't know if we need to do four because because it falls off a cliff.

Yeah, see, the thing is, like, all of our fourth best sports are very, very bad.

Spike ball.

I would say

basketball, whiffleball,

or softball.

And the golf's not there for me.

Swimming.

I'm a good swimmer.

People were getting at me for the barstool camp.

They were like, oh, didn't you almost die swimming?

It's like, dude, I went too fast for my body.

Like, figure it out.

My body went to a higher level.

You're a good dart thrower?

Dart.

Decent dart thrower.

Pole vaulting.

Yeah.

Good frisbee golf.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not great.

What about you, PFT?

I think, is this like what you're good at relative to other people?

By your ability.

Top four sports by ability.

Like, if you, you, the top four sports you'd feel confident be like, yeah, I could do this.

Rugby would probably be number one.

Foot golf.

I'm a very strong foot golfer.

I played once,

but I feel like I could be good at that.

Okay.

Kicking.

Kicking footballs.

That counts.

Yeah.

Being a kicker.

And then, I don't know, golf.

Yeah, mindset.

Golf.

Golf is actually number one.

Yep.

Could I throw out there just like catch?

Good job, coach.

I'm very good at catch.

Good hand-eye coordination.

Like, I could play catch forever.

And I'm like, I'll throw it to where it needs to be.

I'll catch it.

Yeah, like shooting around.

Catches

pretty simple.

There are a lot of people who are not good at catch, bro.

That is true.

You have to have a nice smooth skill.

You know the people who aren't good at catch.

Like, all right, I don't want to play catch with you anymore.

Yeah.

I'm great at shooting around.

Like, I'm not great at basketball.

But, like, I'm not great at basketball either.

But if I had to pick

a game I could jump into a game, it'd be basketball.

Zach, what are yours?

I hate to say my strongest port probably is basketball, and I'm not very good at basketball.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

I'm okay at pickleball, duos.

The 1v1, not very good.

We're doing duos in the pickleball court, relatively decent.

I'm okay with a dink.

and then i like darts if we're if dark if darts plays i'll go darts three okay hank you should have said ping pong yeah ping pong ping pong bocce

max are you baseball baseball fishing football not that basketball basketball darts

like fishing crushing dana yeah in oklahoma that count that that counts I'm like bad at most things football, but I'm but I mean I'm put in the trenches.

Yeah, you could just select Oklahoma drills.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'd say you're like top 1%.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just the sports that I played growing up.

Memes, lacrosse.

Yeah, lacrosse, indoor, outdoor.

Oh, both.

Both.

Box.

Box.

Women's.

I like playing basketball the most.

Oh, I guess I would.

Women's arm wrestling.

I am a champion.

So that would be.

I need to start sending that clip to people online being like, this is why we can't have men competing in women's sports

from 10 years ago or just tweet it like you're like a girl's name has won a competition

my favorite long-running bit of the show is the good great good question back and forth between piquette and pft

during interviews have you ever thought about incorporating this into a year-long competition whoever gets the most that's a good question responses from guests during the year of interviews, wins, loser has to do something.

Thanks and love the show.

I think that would be like a decent thing for somebody to track, but I don't want to make it a competition.

No, it's about gassing each other up.

Yeah.

It's about gassing our boys up.

It's about letting the other person know that it was a great question, not at all just the person stalling for time before they asked the question.

It's also like, you know, it's like the Carlisle saying they had motivation after seeing the buses.

Like, you don't need motivations to want to have a good question.

Also, if we have an interview and PFT gets a bunch of good questions, that's awesome because that means the interview rocked.

And like the listeners,

we are a team.

As much as Mount Rushmore will show otherwise, we are a team.

I'm pumped when he gets a good question.

When we get back-to-back good questions,

I hit another level.

I feel like I'm just like, holy shit, we're fucking firing.

I feel like I'm Dwayne Wade throwing the ball up to LeBron.

Good question.

Good question.

Yeah.

That was a good question by her.

You're right.

It has nothing to do with the person stalling.

No,

they know exactly how they're going to answer.

They just want to let us know, wow, I'm just really impressed with how you guys do your job before I answer that question.

Yeah.

Now to answer it.

Now, when someone says, oh, great question,

that usually is a stall.

Yeah.

That's a stall.

You can tell.

But good question, that's as

sincere as possible.

Yeah, they just want to let us know.

Yeah.

Is that it?

Yeah.

All right.

Good show, boys.

Thanks for pulling that up, Zach.

Yeah.

That's us in an interview right there.

That was Max.

Great job, Max.

There you go, Max.

All right, numbers.

Three.

I think that was memes.

99.

Memes, is that you?

Yeah.

You sure?

99.

Pug.

I'll go six.

I'll go 15.

I wasn't paying attention to anyone else's numbers.

You'll be able to go

84.

Okay.

Zach?

I'll go 46.

Did somebody say six?

Not seven.

I think.

I want to make sure that all of them are correct.

69.

Memes.

Melissa 99.

Is that in your rotation memes?

69?

Mouse stuff.

It should be.

It should be.

Mouse stuff.

It should be.

I remember the first lottery ball.

It went like 69, 69.

Like the first lottery ball you let me pick,

it was 69.

And you guys told me I should have picked 69.

Nobody's really won since we all started taking memes as numbers just to troll them.

Have you noticed that?

No, I won the other.

Remember, I won the PAR.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not hard, memes.

All you gotta do is pick the number and then have the number come up.

That makes sense.

Let you guys try.