2X NBA Champ Mike Miller In Studio, Randy Moss, Nuggets Force A Game 7, Hank Saves The Celtics And Has A New Rival In Timothee Chalamet + NFL Schedule Release

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a two for the people. We have two-time NBA champ Mike Miller in studio.
Awesome interview with him. Really fun to talk to him.

Speaker 1 We also have our good friend Randy Moss to talk about the preakness, try to fix horse racing, and a bonus guest, Sandman from the barn. Randy is the best.
We got a lot of sports to talk about.

Speaker 1 The caps got bounced. Hank saved the Celtic season and had a showdown with Timothy Chalamay.

Speaker 1 Denver forces a game seven. We have the NFL schedule release.
New stuff about Caleb Williams before the draft. And then we'll finish with Firefest as always on Friday.

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Today is Friday, May 16th. And PFT, we are no longer a gape.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 I know. I'm all closed off emotionally, physically, spiritually.

Speaker 7 I even left my sunglasses on the flight to Washington, D.C., and I felt like I was just out of rhythm from that point on.

Speaker 7 Just nothing clicked into place.

Speaker 7 But the good thing about this game, and there are some positives I took away from this game in terms of perspective, I got to watch a hockey game with my mom. She had an absolute blast.

Speaker 7 She kept looking at me being like, son, this is so fun. I can't believe we're doing this.
This is the best Mother's Day ever.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bigger than sports.

Speaker 7 Mother's Day is, it was bigger than sports. And she was just like, you know, we love spending time with each other.

Speaker 7 And so even though it was a tough loss, I think it really showed me that, you know, some things truly are bigger than sports. And she kept saying, son,

Speaker 7 it could be worse. She calls you son.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 Son, it could be a lot worse. I'm so glad we're not Maple Leafs fans because that's embarrassing.
And at least we won the Stanley Cup in 2018.

Speaker 7 She kept saying, son,

Speaker 7 the WNBA starts this weekend, and I wouldn't want the series to continue and take away the shine from WNBA opening weekend. Facts.
She just kept saying, son, I love you.

Speaker 7 This is just a magical Mother's Day. The best Mother's Day ever.
So

Speaker 7 it was fun being on the glass with her. We are rookies on the glass, though.
I brought her this big meal

Speaker 7 from one of the restaurants that they have in the Concourse and a couple of drinks, brought it down to the front row. First thing I did, put the drinks on the uh, on the shelf next to the glass.

Speaker 7 I thought it would be okay. And then I think it was uh Van Reamsdyke.
I think he checks somebody right into the glass, right in front of us. Her bourbon goes flying everywhere.

Speaker 7 My beer goes flying everywhere.

Speaker 1 Um, but you know what?

Speaker 7 It was just one of those moments. It's memory that we made together.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, she's like, son, it's okay. We're, we're, we're both wet.
Yeah,

Speaker 7 son, thank you for, thank you for buying me that bourbon, even though it's all over your lap right now. So, um, it was really a bonding experience more than that.
No, it sucks. Listen, it sucks.

Speaker 7 I thought that the season was going to be,

Speaker 7 it wasn't mad. It was a special season.
Like, nobody thought or expect anything from the Capitals, but I did expect us to go a little bit further in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 So that part's disappointing. And

Speaker 7 I got to call it as I see it.

Speaker 7 Ovie did not look well on the ice tonight.

Speaker 7 He looked pretty slow, not really moving around that well. There was one point, and you can't quote me on this, but

Speaker 7 I did lean over to Nate and I said, I almost think that he shouldn't even be on the power play right now.

Speaker 7 He did not look like he was moving around like the OV that we saw in the regular season. Now, he is like 40 years old, and he has played a long season, and he did break his leg this season,

Speaker 7 but it looked kind of like a different guy.

Speaker 7 And so I hope he'll take this offseason and rest up and come back next year because I thought that we had a team that could really do something special this postseason so that is it's tough for me to to get over but hey that's part of sports yeah that's part of sports it sucks it too that like the hurricanes were just they like they basically were a boa constrictor on you guys this series like i think what would you score seven goals like it just wasn't it wasn't even a fun yeah series from from the capitals perspective because the hurricanes just like choked you to death they do a great job of just destroying any sort of rhythm you have once you get in the attacking zone yeah they're a good team you don't really possess the puck there uh It's hard to get the ball through the neutral zone.

Speaker 7 That's the main thing that all the hockey guys are saying.

Speaker 7 And yeah, once they get an offense, they do a good job getting into the rhythm. So they're a really, really good team.

Speaker 7 At least we're not the Leafs. That was my big, I didn't think about that until my mom said it, but she makes some really good points.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The Leafs, yeah.
If you were up 2-0 in the series and about to lose in six games, that would be devastating.

Speaker 7 And if we hadn't gotten the Stanley Cup in 2018. Right.
That's what she kept saying to me was, remember, at least we got that Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 I got two questions for you, PFT. The first is, how quickly did they show the offsides? I think it was the first period

Speaker 1 on like the Jumbotron because that was heartbreaking. I bet the caps in

Speaker 1 solidarity and I was like so pumped when they scored. And then the minute they go to the replay, you're just like, fuck, because it was so cut and dry.

Speaker 7 Well, what they did was they didn't even put the goal on the board.

Speaker 7 So they waited. And then I was like, wait, why isn't that goal showing up on the board? They should show on the board.
And then the ref skates out to Center Eyes.

Speaker 7 He goes, The call, the call is being challenged.

Speaker 7 And then after they announced that it was being challenged, then they put the sad goal up for about 30 seconds because it was the fastest challenge of all time.

Speaker 1 I know. It was so obvious.
Sucked.

Speaker 7 The refs picked up the phone. They didn't show the replay a single time in the stadium.
That's when I knew that it must have been pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then my other, well, a side question.

Speaker 1 You did say going into this series and going into the playoffs that goaltending was an issue.

Speaker 1 That last goal for the Hurricanes was an issue.

Speaker 7 It was pretty soft. That was a soft.

Speaker 7 But also, Thompson played pretty well tonight besides that.

Speaker 7 Besides that, Ms. Lincoln, how was the play?

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 it was a decent night for him in the first couple of periods. He made some great saves, but that was a soft-ass goal.
And you know me, I don't tolerate soft-ass goals.

Speaker 1 No, you never have, and neither does your mom. Your mom probably went to you, son.

Speaker 1 That's a soft-ass goal. We were raised better.

Speaker 7 She said, son, from that angle, as an NHL goalie, you should never let that in.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 My last question is, and this is the painful one.

Speaker 1 How much blame do we put on a gape?

Speaker 7 I mean, you know exactly. I handled a gape the only way that I knew

Speaker 1 you did, but it was. You would handle it the same way.
I know. No, no, I'm not saying you.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying you. I'm just saying

Speaker 1 that felt like the moment that was like, oh, no. And also, I was alerted to something, which I'm sure you knew, but

Speaker 1 someone commented, because I was getting a gape tonight. I was trying to get a gape.
I was tweeting about the game.

Speaker 7 Hitting some nitrous.

Speaker 1 Someone commented under one of my tweets that there's a certain person who has an Agape tattoo on their arm.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz. Yes.

Speaker 1 When I saw that, I was like,

Speaker 7 I was hoping that nobody would bring that up on the show.

Speaker 7 There's certain things that, listen, I will bring up a lot of stuff to make fun of my teams, and I'll try to be vulnerable in front of you guys because that's what we do.

Speaker 7 I was not willing to introduce Carson Williams into this conversation.

Speaker 1 Right move by you. Because when I saw it, I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 No, no, please, no. I thought it was Photoshop.
I had to go to his Instagram to check.

Speaker 7 I've never even said it out loud to anybody because I knew I couldn't keep up the whole agate bit

Speaker 7 after I verbalized the fact that Carson went because that makes it real.

Speaker 1 That was...

Speaker 1 I want you to know, PFT, if the series had still been going on, I would not have mentioned it. I would have also buried it because that was like, it was literally, I was basically

Speaker 1 Kieran Culkin

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 succession when his rocket blows up. I looked at it on my phone and I just put my phone back in my pocket and walked away.
I was like, I can't do that.

Speaker 7 Listen, with the whole Agape thing,

Speaker 7 I think I showed... That I'm a true Capitals fan by going along with that.

Speaker 7 And in retrospect, maybe it's not the best idea to hand out towels

Speaker 7 talking about getting your butthole nice and loose.

Speaker 7 That doesn't inspire me to

Speaker 7 have a lot of confidence in the team. But if that's what we're going, I mean, I'm wearing, I wore this shirt tonight.

Speaker 1 It's a gap.

Speaker 1 Did you get an extra one for me? I'd get one. I'd wear one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, with hearts on it.

Speaker 7 And then the hand sign, again, it's like just big loose

Speaker 1 buttholes. No more gap.

Speaker 7 Big loose buttholes do not, it doesn't make you fired up to get violent on the ice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no more gape. Hank, is there anything? Oh, you'd like to say something, Hank?

Speaker 3 I just have a question.

Speaker 1 Sure. That should be good.

Speaker 3 Where did you get that sick-ass hat?

Speaker 7 Oh, good question.

Speaker 7 The people

Speaker 7 at the Capitals were nice enough. They gave me a nice little grab bag.
Shout out Taryn and the rest of the Cap's crew. I actually, I got some stuff.
I got something for your kids, Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Oh, love it.

Speaker 7 They like Legos, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. And it's birthday season.

Speaker 4 Okay, I got a little Lego thing.

Speaker 7 And then who I that was a stupid question. I was about to ask who here on this podcast likes gravy the most?

Speaker 1 I was like, maybe, maybe Hank, like, no, okay.

Speaker 7 So I got Max a gravy boat.

Speaker 1 I have literally,

Speaker 4 I never eat gravy.

Speaker 1 I don't eat. Are you talking about red sauce? Red sauce?

Speaker 4 It's called sauce.

Speaker 1 I literally don't eat gravy on things. It's gravy.

Speaker 3 I'm out on gravy.

Speaker 1 Well, get ready to learn gravy, buddy.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, that was bullshit.

Speaker 4 Big cat's fat ass probably eats gravy on everything.

Speaker 1 I love gravy. I fucking love gravy.

Speaker 7 Max, you're going to love gravy.

Speaker 1 It's good to laugh after a loss like that.

Speaker 7 It is. Yeah, but I do like this sick-ass Capitals hat.
I wish I had it for the entire series.

Speaker 1 Also, another spin zone. Like,

Speaker 1 losses suck in the playoffs, but a loss in game five is definitely less painful than a loss in game seven. I would agree.

Speaker 7 And I was pretty clear about, like, just don't let us win game five. If we win game five, then it's a problem.
If we don't win game five, then I don't think we're going to win the series.

Speaker 1 Right. It's like it sucks to lose, but like when you lose in its somewhat convincing fashion, you're like, well, what are you going to do?

Speaker 7 So, one other little story, I was, I think it was in between the second and third period, and I was hanging out just waiting for the puck to start again.

Speaker 7 I get a FaceTime on my phone, and it's Oldie FaceTiming it. And I picked it up, and my mom was like, Who's that that's FaceTiming you?

Speaker 7 I was like, I'll tell you the whole oldie story after we talked to him because it's a long story.

Speaker 7 And I opened it up, and Oldie was just shirtless in his living room, screaming into his phone, Let's go, boys, busy, busy, let's fucking go.

Speaker 7 And then, and then my mom was like, Hi, Oldie. And then, uh, yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was quite the scene, yeah, son, son.

Speaker 1 What's a side pocket? Yeah.

Speaker 3 How did Mama Commenter like describe that jersey that you're wearing? Was she like, son,

Speaker 1 I taught you right? I taught you well.

Speaker 7 She was like, son, that's my grail.

Speaker 1 Where'd you get your son? You're getting a fit off. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think she's like, son, I'm having to beat the chicks off you.

Speaker 1 What's going on?

Speaker 7 I might leave this behind for now. I actually got a shocking amount of compliments compliments on this.
It's a sick jersey.

Speaker 3 It's a one-of-one jersey.

Speaker 3 I don't know what...

Speaker 3 Can you describe it for the listeners?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's a half Jaden Daniels, half Alex of Vetchkin jersey.

Speaker 7 It's the

Speaker 7 Jay Xander Dan Vetchkin jersey.

Speaker 1 It's a one-of-one, but it's also like a true one-of-one because it was made for PFT. And like, he's the only one who could wear it and be like, damn, that's sick.
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 Like, anyone else put that on? You're like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Speaker 7 Shout out to AWL. That's in.
I don't have, I don't have his name in front of me right now, but I think he probably made it for himself. And he was like, I know.

Speaker 7 There's only one guy that's that looks dumb enough to pull this off. So shout out to him.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Leafs are in trouble. I don't know.
That was the other hockey thing. The Leafs are in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 1 They're in the don't let us win one, and I don't think they're going to win one.

Speaker 7 You can't come out flat at home.

Speaker 1 No, they got fucking, oh, that was bad.

Speaker 1 In basketball news, the Denver 5280s forced a game seven.

Speaker 1 So I was very skeptical when I turned on the game and saw the 5280s were out there on the court tonight. Not really elimination game jerseys, but it was just

Speaker 1 the Nuggets. bench was just like Jokic was great.
Jamal Murray, who actually I think had the flu, was very good. And I know Christian Brown is a starter, but like Julian Stradler, that was,

Speaker 1 you need one of those, you need one of those guys to step up and have that type of game. And he had 15 points and hit like three huge threes.
I also think

Speaker 1 that game was basically not won by the Nuggets in the last few minutes of the first half, but kind of lost by the Thunder because the Thunder, it felt like the Thunder were going to take that game.

Speaker 1 And they were up 9 or 10, and then SGA gets one of the worst, dumbest fouls. And the refs were like, they were all over the place.
Guys were just fucking beating on each other.

Speaker 1 But he fouled, he like a frustration foul on Jokic where he got the ball stolen, and then 60 feet from the basket just like smacked him, got his fourth foul, had to sit for the last two minutes.

Speaker 1 And outside, Lou Dort hit a buzzer beater, but the Nuggets came all the way back, tied the game, and it felt like all the momentum switched because it was like Thunder are here and they're going to win this game.

Speaker 1 And then the second half was more nuggets and I'm happy for a game seven. I wanted a game seven in this series.

Speaker 7 Yeah, very much. This has been a great series.
So I can't wait for that.

Speaker 7 I got to listen to the second half call on the radio, on the Denver radio broadcast, and they just kept screaming out, Strother,

Speaker 7 Strother. Like they couldn't believe it that he was hitting all these shots.
So yeah, I mean, that's the key for Denver if they can have Murray contribute, and then they need one X Factor guy.

Speaker 7 And that X Factor can be 5280. It could be the altitude.

Speaker 1 It could be. Yeah.
And it was, I mean,

Speaker 1 Michael Porter Jr. didn't play at the end of the game.
They were just like, we're going to ride with Strother.

Speaker 1 It was basically in hand.

Speaker 1 The only thing that had it like, ooh, this could get close was Alex Crusoe for like probably 90 seconds almost like created a comeback by himself where he picked, I think, Jamal Murray's pocket, then Jokic's pocket.

Speaker 1 on back-to-back plays and then had like a rebound and and and did another thing where it's just like he's just not giving up. But I'm excited for game seven.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I was listening to the post-game. Kendrick Perkins said that he gives the Nuggets a 40% chance of winning game seven, but he has the thunder by 10.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to do the math.

Speaker 1 So I don't know.

Speaker 7 What are the implied odds?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 But he was like, yeah, I give him a 40% chance, but I have the thunder by 10.

Speaker 7 I feel like there's a great opportunity to middle that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it was.

Speaker 7 what I love about Kendrick Perkins, though, is sometimes he just says stuff.

Speaker 1 Yo, all the time, exclusively, just says stuff. Yeah, all the time.

Speaker 1 All the time.

Speaker 7 He's the number one stuff sayer in NBA media right now.

Speaker 1 He does not think he just shoots.

Speaker 1 He moves on. He's a Michael Scott.

Speaker 1 He starts a sentence and doesn't know where it's going to land.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what he does is he just starts talking. And if he starts to lose his train of thought, he just throws the word damn in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then he picks up it like gets him going so the the nuggets have a 40 damn chance of winning this game i like the thunder by 10 damn points but he's got yeah he's got him

Speaker 4 10 points let's do a little uh let's do i think that's fine i think that's fine to say what

Speaker 4 like sometimes you you can have the take of like i think this game's either gonna go like this team's gonna win easily no chance or the underdog is gonna win outright like i people have said had that take before i I agree with that.

Speaker 1 But a 40% chance, you'd think it would be a little bit more.

Speaker 4 Yeah, 40% would be, would be, yeah.

Speaker 1 It'd be like a five-point game.

Speaker 1 I can't do math.

Speaker 1 The whose line is anyway. You guys want to guess it?

Speaker 7 I think it's Nuggets by or sorry, Thunder by

Speaker 7 six and a half?

Speaker 1 Four and a half. Seven and a half.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 So Perk was closer than Hank.

Speaker 1 Should we do first baskets? We got to do first baskets for Celtics Knicks on Friday night, which we're going to get when we're back in studio. We're going to talk all about Hank's time on the wood.

Speaker 1 He's got a new rival in Timothy Chalamet.

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Speaker 1 We're like, you know,

Speaker 3 we're boys, but it's like we're just kind of at this moment rivals.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 7 Frenemies.

Speaker 1 You're rivals. I put in the title.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Yeah, I put Hank saves the Celtics, and now he's got a new rivalry with Timothy Chalamade.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I'm going to change it.

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Speaker 1 I'll go Derek White plus 650.

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Speaker 1 Should we talk about this Seth Wickersham article that came out real quick?

Speaker 1 So there's a new book, Seth Wickersham, who's a very good author. Maybe we'll have him on.
American Kings, a biography of the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it was there's, you know, he's selling a book, so he's got to, there's got to be some

Speaker 1 salacious things to get people talking about it.

Speaker 1 And the big one was that Caleb Williams did not want to be a Chicago Bear, which I think most people kind of, well, his dad especially didn't want to be a Chicago Bear.

Speaker 1 Most people, that story was out there. I chose to ignore it.

Speaker 1 Turns out it was true.

Speaker 1 I took my takeaway from the whole, like, the whole article, not just the tweet, was,

Speaker 1 yeah, I was very, I was wrong

Speaker 1 for thinking that Caleb Williams always wanted to be a bear, but I was right that Caleb Williams is the guy because he knew better than anyone that Shane Waldron and Matt Iberfoos were fucking morons.

Speaker 1 Like, he has good judgment. He was like, Shane Waldron's an idiot.
He said that before. And shout out Ryan Poles because the story goes, he met with Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 1 uh at the combine was like i want to be a viking i don't blame him for that kevin o'connell is a fucking unbelievable coach especially with QBs. He then went to Hallis Hall.

Speaker 1 Ryan Poles was like, hey, we're going to draft you. And then he changed his tune.
He was like, you know what? I can fix this.

Speaker 1 And then the story goes that in his rookie year, the coaching staff was basically AWOL and he's watching film by himself. And I knew they failed him.
I didn't realize to what extent.

Speaker 1 It's pretty shocking. So listen, past is the past.
Ben Johnson is the future. It's all good.

Speaker 1 Okay. I like that.

Speaker 7 And that's, I think that's the right take, which is like what you had last year is nothing close to what he has right now.

Speaker 7 I also, I want to know how true that is that he wasn't given any instruction whatsoever about how to watch film.

Speaker 7 Because that quote, I think, if I remember the article correct,

Speaker 7 I think that quote came from maybe someone close to Caleb. I don't think that was a direct quote from Caleb.
It was somebody else that was like quoting Caleb to Seth.

Speaker 1 You could be wrong about that.

Speaker 7 But if that's the the case, and it feels like his dad is saying things secondhand.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So, no, this is actually a direct quote.
It says, at times, Williams said he would watch film alone with no instruction or guidance from the coaches. No one tells me what to watch.

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams told his dad, I just turn it on. So maybe his dad said that to Seth Wickersham.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so it's a quote from his dad that he's imparting from Caleb. Like through it through a media.

Speaker 7 I just, I don't know how true that is because I feel like no matter how shitty of a coach you are in the NFL, you probably tell your rookie quarterback what to watch on film.

Speaker 1 I think there was probably, there's been like reporting of it is that like the coaching staff kind of went AWOL towards the end there before the firing. They were just kind of like, we're cooked.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 like, I know that it obviously looks bad. The headline,

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams and his dad weren't wrong.

Speaker 1 Like, the Bears have historically been bad for quarterbacks. Like, they weren't wrong.

Speaker 1 You can't be like, oh, my God, how could they say that? They weren't wrong. And especially with the coaching staff.
Now, I think now it's changed because Ben Johnson is here.

Speaker 1 And I've apologized many times for saying it was a great situation that Caleb Williams walked into. That was a very bad, stupid thing I said all summer long last summer.

Speaker 1 Really, really dumb shit for brains. But yeah, like I read the article because obviously I saw the tweet and I was like, oh, fuck.
And then I read the article and I was like, I don't really know

Speaker 1 outside of his dad, like, being like, We're going to go to the UFL, which I didn't realize. Like,

Speaker 1 there wasn't anything that was like, oh man, how could they say this? You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 Like, there's also kind of a bargaining play.

Speaker 7 I think he was looking for any way possible to maximize Caleb's value as a quarterback, and that included the fact that he was not happy with the fact that Caleb would potentially be tied to a team for like eight years, right?

Speaker 7 At least five.

Speaker 1 He's a dad fighting for his kid.

Speaker 1 I also watched an interview that Seth Wickersham did this afternoon with Adam Hoag, who's a beat reporter for the Bears.

Speaker 1 And I think Seth Wickersham's exact quote, because they were like, how close was this actually to happening of him like not, of being like, we're not going to the Bears?

Speaker 1 He said the gasoline was out, but they never took out the matches.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I think a lot of the Coward stuff, like Coward was reporting directly from his dad, I think it was that, like just, you know, floating it out there, but never actually going that extra step to being like, no, we're not going to get, we're not coming to Chicago.

Speaker 7 You know what made me suspicious was when that article came out last year that was caleb williams saying i really like chicago like yeah i want to be a bear that that felt like it was something that at the time and especially now looking back on it was done because they had run out of options right and all the stuff where they're trying to see if there's any way that they can make a a manning move After all those options were exhausted, then they're like, okay, now we'll just kind of clear the air in Chicago.

Speaker 7 Be like, hey, let's do a story about how much I want to be a Chicago bear now. Right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it does look like from the reading of the article

Speaker 1 that Ryan Poles did a really good job of like kind of convincing him because the story goes that he went to Hallis Hall and came out of that meeting with Ryan Poles being like,

Speaker 1 I can do this. Like I can fix this.

Speaker 1 And again, it was.

Speaker 1 He's right that Matt Eberflues and Shane Walter are bad. Like that's really good.

Speaker 1 That's like a really good sense of judgment of people. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He also, I mean, I don't know if we can say this, but when I talked to him at training camp last year, he's like, yeah, the Commanders, they've been a team that I didn't really want to go to at all because of their ownership.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 When Dan Snyder was owning. So, like,

Speaker 7 if he's talking about two franchises that historically have not done well in this situation, those would be two good ones. And, yeah, it's.

Speaker 7 If you were to ask him right now, or any young quarterback right now coming into the NFL, would you want to play for the the bears in the situation that they have now i think every quarterback would say yes i think they'd say i want to play with ben johnson because of what he's been able to accomplish and how creative he is i feel like if you're asking truthfully right now yeah he does want to be in that situation and and that was the biggest thing like i i i had to accept it but i i definitely wanted iber flues fired i wanted harbaugh very very badly that i think would have changed everything uh and it i think a lot of people thought that and then the bears obviously were like we're not gonna to fire him.

Speaker 1 We're going to keep going with this, which was stupid, very stupid in retrospect. And that probably comes from George McCasky, who is not the,

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put him in the Hall of Fame of owners of professional sports teams.

Speaker 7 That would have been wild, though, if he was a battle hawk.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If he, if he actually went the UFL route, that would have been crazy. We tried to get Joe Burrow to do that for the XFL.
He said, I think

Speaker 7 he wanted 50 million guaranteed in his first year. Maybe it was 100 million.
I forget. And I said, deal.
Let me talk to the people at the XFL and see if they agree with that.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 7 get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get out of here.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 it's like bad shit happened. New stuff.
We got new stuff. If Ever Flues was still the coach and this came out, it would be panic level a billion.
Yeah. Right?

Speaker 1 Like, it's not, that's just not the situation anymore.

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Speaker 1 All right, before we kick it to ourselves, we forgot to mention this during Fire Fest, so we should say it now. Max, you are paying up your payment this weekend.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 4 Going to the bachelor party with a group of AWLs. I'm looking forward to it.
Hank picked it out. I I don't know exactly what's going on, but it should be a good producer.

Speaker 1 You know exactly what's going on.

Speaker 7 Good producing by Hank.

Speaker 3 You knew everything that's going on. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 You know exactly what's going on. I was trying to convince Max last night because we saw the video.
The guys seem like good guys. One of them is the wild card.

Speaker 1 And I was telling Max he's got to out-wildcard the wild card. So he's got to like, he's got to order some strippers.

Speaker 1 He's got to bring a loaded gun, some russian roulette like just be the wild card max i'm just going to be a guest at this guy's bachelor party and uh you're going to get wild carded

Speaker 1 i've seen this so many times you got it you got to take the wild card to the wild card before he can take it to you No, I'm going to allow the wild card to be the wild card.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to take anyone's role once a couple drinks get inside of you.

Speaker 3 The wild card comes out.

Speaker 7 How would you describe yourself, Max?

Speaker 7 If you're writing into your favorite podcast and you're like, yo, you should come on my bachelor party. And everybody in the bachelor party has like a thing that they do.
Like one guy is Mr. Mischief.

Speaker 7 One guy is like bad news. What would you consider yourself?

Speaker 4 Just a friendly guy that,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 goes with the flow of the group.

Speaker 1 Are you

Speaker 4 not loud? I don't try and do too much. I don't try and take too much attention away from anything.
I never drink too much. I never do any of that.

Speaker 1 Go watch The Last Case Race.

Speaker 1 Are you going to do another one? That's exactly me.

Speaker 1 No. Wait,

Speaker 1 so Jack is going to go

Speaker 1 and film it. So we will have a vlog of it.

Speaker 1 I still think you got to be the wild card.

Speaker 1 Dude, you show up with a loaded gun, literally.

Speaker 1 and a couple strippers and maybe some extracurriculars. And people are like, holy shit, this guy's a wild card.

Speaker 4 I won't be coming with any of those things. I will be a good guest until I have like seven beers, and then I'm just going to be probably

Speaker 1 bad news.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If there are any strippers that listen to part of my take that live in the Milwaukee area

Speaker 7 that would like to be in touch with Max this weekend, just in case after those seven beers hit, if you'd like for Max to have your number, please, please DM Max.

Speaker 1 Or along the same lines.

Speaker 8 This weekend is about the bachelor.

Speaker 4 That's what we have to remember.

Speaker 1 Any gun owners as well? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Nope.

Speaker 1 Definitely

Speaker 1 out there.

Speaker 7 Let's talk to him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's about the bachelor. When's the wedding?

Speaker 1 How do you not know? You're going to this guy's bachelor party.

Speaker 4 I haven't been in contact with

Speaker 4 this crew once.

Speaker 1 You got to bring a present.

Speaker 7 You got to bring a present for the groom.

Speaker 4 Fuck. I probably should bring a present.

Speaker 7 Are you looking around your apartment right now to see what you can do? Yeah,

Speaker 1 how fast, PFT, how fast can you get him that green?

Speaker 4 I can probably find something good from the office. I'll just steal something off your desk.

Speaker 7 That was such a good look, Max gave. He was like, is there anything in this corner?

Speaker 1 I was trying to explain to Max because

Speaker 1 Max can drink. And these guys are just regular guys, but if they're from Wisconsin, they can drink.
I don't care what they look like.

Speaker 3 they can drink definitely more than max yeah

Speaker 1 and i i actually was talking to one of them last night and they were like we're gonna out drink max and i was like i hope they do i really can't happen for for our podcast that cannot happen

Speaker 1 i really hope that they do you got to go in there being like no one's out drinking me

Speaker 4 No, it'll, it'll be, I'm excited.

Speaker 7 It's going to be good. What was this punishment for again?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't know either PFT.

Speaker 4 Losing the picks and the NFL picks.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm excited for the video. I think it's going to be a great video for the AWLs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you're playing paintball.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're going on a bachelor party. You're playing golf and paintball and drinking.

Speaker 4 Gotcha.

Speaker 4 I haven't picked up a golf club in like two and a half years. So

Speaker 4 that'll be interesting as well.

Speaker 3 There was one trip that was you playing six rounds of golf in three days, and I was, I wanted to,

Speaker 3 that would have been too much.

Speaker 1 yeah about six rounds

Speaker 1 six rounds of golf would have been a lot that is too much no it was a hilarious six rounds of golf itinerary oh man

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Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 hank

Speaker 1 is back from sitting on the wood the celtics have won game five great individual performance from hank by the way great job by left it all on the wood the haters tried to take me down they tried to put out false narratives that's okay what were the false narratives uh pft posted a video pft commentary man to your right

Speaker 1 oh hey what's up yeah it was me all right people talk about boston sports fans like they're the end-all be-all like it's a great sports town.

Speaker 7 They know ball. I don't know who these clowns are that they let sick courts at these games.

Speaker 7 Never seen a basketball game in their life. Look at this thing.
Look at this egregious foul.

Speaker 7 Watch this. Just gushing blood on this one.
And then you've got this jackass in the crowd saying, oh, he went straight up.

Speaker 7 Who the fuck is that guy?

Speaker 3 Josh Hart. It was one of the, like, he, he just threw his body.
Well, you want to talk about like into a defender and then fell to the ground. They call the foul, which, you know, know, whatever.

Speaker 3 It probably, by letter of the law, was a foul.

Speaker 3 But I was sitting on the wood and I just put my hands up because that's what, I think it was Luke Cornette. He just had his hands straight up.
And Josh Hart just flung his body in.

Speaker 1 This was the play that Josh Hart got all bloody. And I think he, I think it was his, I think it was Luke Cornette has like razor blades in his armpits.

Speaker 7 In the elbows, I think. Yeah, I think the elbows got him.
And then Hank,

Speaker 7 the camera was kind of, it wasn't even really on Hank, but I was watching and I was like, oh shit, that's Hank in the background just advocating for his team, fighting with everything that he's got.

Speaker 7 And I wanted to bring more visibility to that moment because I feel like a lot of people missed it. It was a fleeting instant on the broadcast.
So I just want to highlight you, Hank, as a fan.

Speaker 7 Great job on the wood. And I thought I could hear your voice once or twice during the game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I was yelling. I was getting vocal.

Speaker 1 Double fist pump.

Speaker 3 A lot of double fist pumps. The Lou Cornette game.

Speaker 3 Last night will always be remembered as the Lou Cornette game. Big Cat Night.

Speaker 1 You want to give me some credit? Yeah, I do. I mean, that was the difference.
I mean, I think the Celtics, it looked like the game started and Derrick White was like, I'm going to be the man.

Speaker 1 He was awesome. I mean, he and Jalen Brown were great.
And then Luke Cornette, like, I actually think that Christopse, whatever he has, Luke Cornette is a better option than Christophs right now.

Speaker 1 And Joe Mizzoula obviously agrees because the second half, he sat Christophs. Christophe only played 12 minutes in the whole game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you could see it in the first half. He was...

Speaker 3 It was basically like he was doing, you know, when they do the football walkthroughs in the hotel room where they're just literally going through the motions.

Speaker 3 Like, that's how he looked on the court where he was moving.

Speaker 3 He was motion yeah but he there was no bounce he wasn't like going aggressively he was looked like he was going at 50 speed and then every time you know in breaks and timeouts you could see him like leaning over missoula said he like wasn't able to breathe he basically has what ovie has like he's just oh come on hank hank i was i was rooting for you he was looking slow out there i was rooting for you last night that's you're a dirty guy you know that the mood of hank right yeah hank

Speaker 7 hank is hank is such a motherfucker and you know what i i blame myself i don't blame hank fool me wants shame on you fool me twice

Speaker 1 shame on on me. You said Ovi doesn't look the same.

Speaker 3 He looks yellow.

Speaker 1 That's what Porzing is saying.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you're feeling spicy. I was trying to relate.

Speaker 1 I was really. He's going to be in the glass tonight.

Speaker 3 I was on the wood. Like, I'm just trying to

Speaker 1 get connections.

Speaker 7 Listen, we're both down three to one. All of a sudden, you get another, you get a second win.

Speaker 7 Congrats on getting a second win against the Knicks in this series, Hank, a team that you've been dominating. And all of a sudden, you get that second win, and you just completely leave me behind.

Speaker 7 No, I'm not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 You said, show me the way. You said, show me the way.
And I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to show you the way.

Speaker 3 Step one, go, you know, get there, get to your city, will your team to victory. Like, you're going to do that tonight.
I have utmost confidence. I'm so excited for you.

Speaker 3 There's nothing better than being down, back against the wall, holding up.

Speaker 1 Well, being up is better.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hank, but Hank won.
But Hank was kind of still down three to two.

Speaker 7 Because they've been dominating the series. So Hank was both down and up at the same time.
But again,

Speaker 1 I saw

Speaker 1 the graphic of Hank saying we're on to the finals, and then in parentheses, he says Hank after Celtics down 2-1 against the Knicks.

Speaker 3 It was as sad of a two days as you could have as a sports fan. Like, it really, really did suck.

Speaker 3 And it still does.

Speaker 3 But, like I said, it's like you got like getting to the game, being in the city, forgetting about the Jason Tatum and the offseason luxury tax new ownership, whatever, and just seeing the team come together, get a win.

Speaker 3 We had the momentum. Like,

Speaker 3 it was a great, you know, yes, we were down 3-1. Yes, we're only still only won two games, but it was a great, great victory up and down.

Speaker 1 So, do you start Luke Cornette on Friday night? Yeah, he was awesome. Seven blocks.
He was great.

Speaker 1 Pay 26. You probably do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think poor, like, it's like,

Speaker 3 Missoula said after the game, he couldn't breathe. Like, that was his quote.

Speaker 1 That's kind of like Ovie.

Speaker 3 I don't, yeah, like, I don't know how

Speaker 1 you breathe. He fixed that.

Speaker 1 I don't know how that.

Speaker 1 Excuse me.

Speaker 3 I don't know how that gets fixed in two days.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I forget about start Luke Cornette.

Speaker 1 I think you build around Luke Cornette. Yeah, I agree.
That was awesome.

Speaker 7 Future.

Speaker 7 He was just lurking in the key. He didn't move at all.
He was just like, come in, I dare you. And then, oh, you're going to come in.
I'm going to put it in your face.

Speaker 1 It was great. I have a question.

Speaker 1 Would it be, I guess it would be against the PED? Like, could they just give Chris Dobbs like a hundred milligram Vivance

Speaker 1 before the game? Sure. I think, right? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, at this point, if you get busted for testing positive, you can just go through the process of appeals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then you'd feel better.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 you also helped Jalen Brunson got in foul trouble. Big foul trouble.
You got big foul trouble to start the third.

Speaker 7 You gave him a great wave-off, by the way. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 When he fouled out, Hankston.

Speaker 3 Then they almost reviewed it. They almost overturned it.
That was going to be tough. I was waving at him hard.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you hit him with an awesome goodbye. Yeah,

Speaker 1 so that one, I don't know if that's

Speaker 1 replicable.

Speaker 3 No, Cat was in foul trouble.

Speaker 1 But Cat's always in foul trouble. Cat literally just finds fouls.

Speaker 1 His fouls are so frustrating because he will foul when it has no impact on the play. And he's like, hey, I just got to get my hands on someone.

Speaker 3 And then it's like he's never complained.

Speaker 1 Come on, God.

Speaker 7 He also feels like the guy that never got away with anything in his life. Yeah.
Even when he was a kid.

Speaker 7 Like, if all of your friends did something bad, snuck out, he was the one that would get caught because he's just like, he's so, he's flagrantly cat all the time. He's never blending in.

Speaker 7 That last foul on Jalen was a stupid, stupid foul. Yeah.
Like, you've got to be smarter than that. And Tibbs looked like he was about to wring his neck afterwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was not happy. So how do you feel about Friday night? Because I think,

Speaker 1 obviously,

Speaker 1 if you get to game seven, I think the Celtics will win the series. I do not think you're going to win Friday night.
I think Jalen Brunson is going to win this series on Friday night.

Speaker 1 I think that's fair.

Speaker 3 I do think all the pressure, like, you know, all the pressure was on the Celtics in game one and two, and they kind of folded like they were missing shots.

Speaker 3 And that's what happens when all of a sudden you're at home, you know, you're supposed to win,

Speaker 3 shots start stop going in, and all of a sudden, like, things can flip. The Celtics are basically playing with nothing to lose.
I think that's a good spot to be in, and they have

Speaker 1 something to lose the series.

Speaker 3 But everyone's expecting them to lose. Right.
When you're in that spot, that's the.

Speaker 1 Max, chime in. You're saying.

Speaker 4 Not anymore. The last game, everyone was expecting them to lose.
Now everyone is thinking, like, you right now. Like, now the pressure's back on the Celtics.

Speaker 1 No, the pressure is on the Knicks.

Speaker 1 Wrong.

Speaker 3 The teams, teams-wise, the pressure is on the Knicks.

Speaker 1 If the Knicks are clear, they're still the pressure.

Speaker 4 They're still playing games.

Speaker 1 The Celtics are playing.

Speaker 3 Okay, Max.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? You're the repeat champion.

Speaker 3 Be honest, be honest, be honest.

Speaker 3 Who do you think is more worth like the Celtics?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I feel like the Knicks are like, we have to win at home.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think this game. I think game seven, yes.

Speaker 4 Yes, that's game six.

Speaker 1 The Knicks have two shots at it. Like,

Speaker 1 I do not think the pressure is, yes, well, three memes, but you already lost your first one. So you have two shots left.

Speaker 1 I think the pressure is still on the Celtics for game for Friday night. If it goes to Monday night back in Boston, then it's just

Speaker 1 then the Knicks are like,

Speaker 1 how could you lose up 3-1 with Tatum out?

Speaker 1 Then it flips. Well,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Oh, I like where you're about to talk about.

Speaker 1 No, go ahead. No, no, no.
Go ahead. No, no, Max.

Speaker 1 That was an impressive win for the Celtics without Jason Tatum. I think what Max is trying to say is, are they a better team without Jason Tatum?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I'm not even going to acknowledge these narratives.

Speaker 7 But I don't think you understand what he's asking. He's not asking, is Jason Tatum? They're a great team.

Speaker 3 Teams are built from the ground up. It's an organizational effort.
Hank, if I may. 1 through 12, 12 through 60, everyone matters.
If I may. One guy goes down, everyone else has to step up.

Speaker 3 Luke Cornette stepped up.

Speaker 7 If I may.

Speaker 3 Derek White stepped up.

Speaker 7 If I may, what Max might be trying to say is the Celtics. Yes, Jason Tatum is a great player.
He might even be the best player on the Boston Celtics, but are they a better team without Jason Tatum?

Speaker 1 Also, Max has not said anything. He's just giving us faces.
If I know exactly where his brain is, if I may. He's nodding along, being like, I've said one word.
The only thing I've said so far is well.

Speaker 1 All right, so say it, Max. No, no, no.

Speaker 4 I like, I like just.

Speaker 7 Hank, if you may respond to those allegations.

Speaker 3 If I may, my answer to your question would be no. Okay, Max.
Yes or no question?

Speaker 3 My vote would be no.

Speaker 3 I think this is something that, you know, talking heads, loser franchises, draft lottery, people that actually go to that stuff, these are questions that they make so that they have something to talk about.

Speaker 3 Winning teams are just worried about the win and loss column.

Speaker 1 Okay, Max.

Speaker 3 Jason Tatum, champion. Right next to his name, champion.
Yeah. All-star, finals MVP, Olympian, champion.

Speaker 1 Orless. Wait,

Speaker 1 what you just said is wrong. All-star.
You just said star. Finals MVP.

Speaker 1 Which is all-star.

Speaker 3 I meant all-star. I meant all-star.

Speaker 1 Blatantly wrong. I'm an all-star.
I'm an all-star. The all-star MVP might be more impressive.
You might need to put that on a quote card.

Speaker 1 I've slept for two hours. I do not think that the Celtics are better without Jason Tatum.
I do think that if you, in this series, like last night watching them,

Speaker 1 there might be a more team basketball. That just, that might be every team.
When your best player goes out, it's like

Speaker 1 you got to cut more.

Speaker 1 You got to move more. Everyone's going to spread the ball, make the extra pass.
There can't be a reliance on, hey, Jason Tatum will bail us out.

Speaker 1 That exists. For sure.
Yeah. For sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And Joe Missoula is a great coach, and they still have great players. Like that,

Speaker 3 that's okay. Like, I don't think that's, I think that's fair to say.
Yeah. I thought it's interesting.
It's a team game. And Missoula's a great coach.
It's like, yeah, you lose a player.

Speaker 3 You have to figure out how to game plan with the guys you're playing with. Did you see

Speaker 1 Coach Missoula yesterday?

Speaker 3 I did see Coach Missoula. I saw him after the game.

Speaker 1 Is he locked in?

Speaker 3 He is very locked in. Josh, friend of the program, guy I went with.

Speaker 3 We dapped up, and then Josh, I introduced him. He's like, you know, congrats on all your success.
And Missoula was like, you're only as good as your next win or as your last win.

Speaker 3 And I was like, so we're good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're good right now.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So, I mean, just by the numbers, it looks like the Celtics were 8-2 without Jason Tatum this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think they're like, what was their winning percentage with Jason Tatum? Was it 80?

Speaker 3 Something like that.

Speaker 1 Are they underfeed in the playoffs without Jason Tatum? Did they win the game against the Magic without him? No. Oh, so they're one and one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a couple other questions, Hank.

Speaker 7 So the Celtics' record overall is 74%, but they're 80% without Jason Tatum.

Speaker 7 That leads me to believe that just by the numbers, and we are a numbers podcast, we're a stats-based podcast.

Speaker 3 I'm a wins-based podcast.

Speaker 7 They are literally better this year without Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 PFT is describing wins, by the way.

Speaker 7 Wins.

Speaker 3 No, you said stats. No, he didn't.

Speaker 1 A win is a stats.

Speaker 1 Hank, you better just get used to this because this is fine.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm hearing this is going to keep going.

Speaker 3 I think the listeners know this is the definition of cope and just trying to

Speaker 3 upset a man when I think it's the definition of asking questions.

Speaker 1 I think it's a definition.

Speaker 7 It's a definition of being an in-depth national sports podcast. Correct.

Speaker 1 You're asking questions. As a national sports podcast, we have questions.
You're asking the right questions. You're also not up.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 Henry Lockwood is up.

Speaker 1 I'm feeling up.

Speaker 1 I'm up memes.

Speaker 1 He has ended this series twice already. I have not been down on both sides.

Speaker 3 No, we got it. We got it.

Speaker 1 You literally said on to the finals.

Speaker 1 That was before a catastrophic injury.

Speaker 3 But right now, today, whatever the fuck the date is, May 15th, I'm up.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So my other two questions.

Speaker 3 Can a guy not be up, memes?

Speaker 1 My other two questions.

Speaker 8 No, that's a fair point.

Speaker 1 Do you have any statement about Jalen Brown jerking off Josh Hart? I saw the clip after the game. That was crazy.
He grabbed it.

Speaker 3 When you slow things down, anything looks like

Speaker 3 you can take anything out of context. I mean,

Speaker 1 he was was like a search and destroy for the penis.

Speaker 3 Again, like Stephen Che is a pervert for even finding that.

Speaker 3 Slow down angle.

Speaker 3 I'm sure in game speed, it didn't look like that. He tugged it.

Speaker 1 I think that was technically a masturbation. I mean, we're football guys, right?

Speaker 3 Like, what happens at the bottom of the pile? I guess

Speaker 3 it happens in battles.

Speaker 1 Like, he actually kind of masturbated him. Yeah, he held it for long enough.
I think

Speaker 1 the ruling on the field is masturbation.

Speaker 7 He's a ball-dominant player. He jerked him off.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you can see

Speaker 1 he kind of fiddled his fingers on his dick.

Speaker 1 This was disgusting, Hank.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, a slow-mo and anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is Josh Hart's sister just said weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she quote-to-eyed saying weird.

Speaker 1 Oh, it is weird. They've hooked up.
Josh Hart and Jalen Brown have hooked up.

Speaker 3 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, they have. I'm watching.
We watched it right there. That's that's third base.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a pelt on the wall. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He held on to that for.

Speaker 1 I get it. If you like grab or your like hands and fly, you got to get an edge any way you can.
He held it there.

Speaker 7 It looks like Josh Hart's getting the edge right now.

Speaker 4 That's also Josh Hart's wife.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's his wife. Okay.
Sorry.

Speaker 7 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, she is jealous.

Speaker 1 Shading Hart.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you can tell.

Speaker 1 She's like, he did it better than me. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Maybe she was saying it's weird for Josh. Like, why is he, why is he, why is he not?

Speaker 7 No, she's probably, she's probably mad at Josh. Yeah, so I'm sure

Speaker 1 she's, yeah, you should have made it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, weird that Josh would allow this to happen. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, all right, my other question, last question about this game.
There's reports

Speaker 1 that you may have met one of the top celebs in the country right now, one of the coolest guys out there, let's say, maximum aura based on the fact that he does not lace up his Timberlands.

Speaker 1 We're talking about Timothy Chalamay, and the report is you turtled.

Speaker 3 No, so I did do some journalisming last night.

Speaker 3 So I was with Josh, but we were,

Speaker 3 there's like a little bar kind of like food area underneath

Speaker 3 for the woodies, the woodgoers, and like the people close to the game. They can go before the game and at halftime.
And when I got in there, I sat down.

Speaker 1 Time out, time out, time out. Dan, time out

Speaker 1 are you still wearing your wristband

Speaker 1 I went to sleep I went to sleep at 2 a.m. I woke up at 4 a.m

Speaker 1 he's like a spring breaker

Speaker 1 for two hours 15 year old going a lot loser what the fuck like what all right what am I gonna do like go I don't have a pair of scissors I just I I

Speaker 3 woke up yeah I woke up ran to like I woke up my my My wake-up call I slept through for 40 minutes

Speaker 3 I just sprint to the airport sprint to my fucking gate drive sit in traffic for two hours, and just basically walk in the studio. Yeah, I'm still wearing my wristband.

Speaker 7 Are you just attached to the memories that go along with the wristband? You got to keep it logged.

Speaker 1 It was a great night.

Speaker 3 It was a great.

Speaker 1 You feel happy. All right.
Back to it. Sorry, I was just shocked that, yeah.

Speaker 3 Anyway, I sit down and look to my left.

Speaker 1 Oh, bro, did you go to the game last night? Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 3 Yeah, dude, I was team Vom access.

Speaker 3 Timothy was five feet to my left, which was,

Speaker 3 you guys know I'm bad at hiding my face. I probably gave him like one one of the, I was like, legit shocked how close he was.

Speaker 3 Uh, and then maybe five minutes later, the people he was with, uh, like our mutual friends of Dave, they introduced him, they had a quick conversation about pizza, and maybe within two minutes of you know, introducing the table, Dave was like, This fucking guy was on his show saying you're performative.

Speaker 3 And I, I legitimately, like, hand up, did not even remember like I was lashing out.

Speaker 1 It doesn't sound like a hank word to use, to be honest.

Speaker 3 I didn't think I said that, so I was like, I don't even know. I was like, I didn't say that, and

Speaker 3 chalmay

Speaker 3 he wasn't mad he went about it like very like cool like i will say like i can can report timy chalame very very cool guy but he he

Speaker 1 maximum or oh so again i was right you were

Speaker 3 he came over he's like what was i doing that was performative like he wasn't like pressing me but he's like what was i doing that was performative i was like i don't even think i said that and then he just basically told me his history as a knicks fan he was like yeah you know when they were bad i was getting season tickets like trying to like flip them to make money.

Speaker 3 Chris Duhan, like naming all these players. And I was like, Yeah, I believe you.
Like, I know you're a legitimate fan. Dave just threw me right under the bus.

Speaker 3 It was not, you know, it was, it was a, it was a cool interaction to have, but I was like, not exactly the start you want to get off

Speaker 3 with someone like Timothy Chalmet. And then, you know, they went into the game.
We went into the game. I thought I was going to see him there at halftime.
He was not there at halftime.

Speaker 3 But he was basically sitting across from me the whole game. So you know, I would look over and, you know, pause, whatever.
I caught myself staring a little bit.

Speaker 3 Him wearing sunglasses courtside is like such a power move.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 3 He was like,

Speaker 3 I was having the thoughts of like, we're, I think, similar ages. And I was like, he's quite literally a thousand million times cooler than me.
Correct. More successful.

Speaker 1 Like, he's got it all. He's got everything.

Speaker 3 He's got it all.

Speaker 1 And how cool is that to be like, I think

Speaker 1 he obviously is a real Knicks fan, but like to also reach this type of fame where if he plays it right, like Jack Nicholson went to, what, 40 years of Lakers games sitting courtside?

Speaker 1 He became synonymous with the Lakers. Like Timothy Chalamay can be basically the heir apparent to Spike Lee.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's fucking awesome. Was he wearing The Timbs last night?

Speaker 3 He was wearing The Tim's last night. Were they laced?

Speaker 3 They were not laced, I don't think.

Speaker 1 Smart move. Good move.
You could hurt your ankle and tie him up to him. And the aura.

Speaker 3 But yeah, he was super fucking cool.

Speaker 3 Him and Dave just talked about pizza.

Speaker 7 So I I know that you're a company man, always thinking about work, always doing your job,

Speaker 7 big-time producer, part of my take. What did he say when you asked him if he would be a guest on part of my take?

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, that's so he came over. Dave basically like set him up to basically like get not mad at me, but he was like came over, addressed a conversation.

Speaker 1 He started a conversation.

Speaker 3 Addressed the situation, and then he went back to where he was sitting next to Dave, and then like we had a we had a brief interaction. I did not get the chance to.
It wasn't

Speaker 1 booked.

Speaker 3 I didn't book him. I didn't book him.

Speaker 1 We're not getting Chalamet.

Speaker 3 That's not true. The thing about Max.

Speaker 7 It was a good intro. Max would have booked him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Max definitely would have booked him. I would have been so scared.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's say you win game six Friday night, game seven Monday, which is a weird schedule.

Speaker 1 Should we

Speaker 1 fly Jerry O'Connell in and do a stream on PMT? Or

Speaker 1 are you trying to go to the game?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I think if Jerry comes in, we should do a stream. I think the fans, AWS, would love that.

Speaker 7 If Jerry can't do it, I'm just thinking out loud, we've got a lot of Knicks Knicks fans in the New York office. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 We do.

Speaker 1 Could send you there, but we wouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, we've never done that in the past. No.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's not like we're sending him on an extended trip here, Max. If we would never do that, we would just, you know, one game.

Speaker 1 I don't think you could do it too. Like, second round is late enough in the playoffs.
Max, you never had to go for the second round, right?

Speaker 4 No, it was second round for a full week.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's okay. Oh, the precedent.
The precedent has been set.

Speaker 3 The precedent has been set. Max, you know, has some rivals in New York.
I think, you know, they got Klemmer. Clemmer.
They got Clemmer versus Meek Phil, which is a good robbery.

Speaker 1 Must watch TV.

Speaker 3 I think, you know, there was a little bit of contention last night with me and with Timmy. Like, I think I got to go to game seven and kind of like,

Speaker 1 Meek and Phil can handle the New York streams.

Speaker 3 Like, I think I got to go. You got to go against Timmy.

Speaker 7 So you've already moved on from Jerry, but you will accept Timmy.

Speaker 1 But you know, that's a replacement.

Speaker 3 Jerry moved on from me. He did.

Speaker 1 Jerry O'Connell did move on.

Speaker 1 But you also just quit game five.

Speaker 7 But then you also burned the bridge afterwards. You were like, fine, flip-flopping pussy.

Speaker 3 That's not burning a bridge. That's a statement of fact.

Speaker 1 No, Jerry, Jerry, the sequence of events is Jerry called the series over, retired bing-bong. Hank flip-flopped and brought the bing-bong back.

Speaker 1 That's when Hank said flip-flopping pussy. And then he said it because everyone was like, Jerry, what are you doing?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, but Hank called the season over before Jerry.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I said we're on the top of the fifth.
Hank said the season that it was over before Jerry did. Oh, when did you say that?

Speaker 3 He said we're on to the finals.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.
That's the same thing. That's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 No, but I didn't say I'm taking it. said I'm taking game five off.
Yeah. If the Celtics win, I'll be back.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 And then he also said, but yeah, he said Hank is not a good enough rival for him anymore.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but I mean, Hank called the series over. That's my whole point is that Hank is the one that called the series over.

Speaker 1 Well, there's extenuating circumstances that came in between.

Speaker 7 If you're using a lot of $5 words today, Hank, and I don't know if somebody bought you a dictionary for your birthday or what, but this is, it's unbecoming.

Speaker 1 Even without Tatum, even if Tatum didn't get hurt, you would have been down 3-1.

Speaker 1 We'll never know. Okay.

Speaker 7 They are a better team without Tatum. That's true.

Speaker 3 But yeah, if Jerry wants to smoke, I think

Speaker 3 the AWLs deserve a stream. But if he's not,

Speaker 1 you're going to have to go.

Speaker 3 I think, yeah, I can't let Timothy run.

Speaker 1 You can't let Timmy run wild. No.
You got to be on Chalamay Watch.

Speaker 7 What about Frank the Tang?

Speaker 1 Henry Watt. You don't want to face off?

Speaker 1 He's been officially enlisted for Chalamay Watch.

Speaker 1 You need to fight him. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Climber can handle Meek Phil.

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Speaker 1 All right, other games. Series over for the Warriors.
Also feels like kind of the end of maybe.

Speaker 1 This was a bummer.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, they were never going to win a game. They were never going to win the series without Steph Curry.
Yeah. It's that simple.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're not a better team when Steph Curry is out.

Speaker 7 Although he can't stay healthy. Some are saying that Steph Curry is the West Coast version of Joelle Embiid in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 This series was the, yeah, I mean, Julius Randall was the MVP of this series. He was so good every single game.

Speaker 1 And the Timberwolves are a very good team.

Speaker 1 I, and we'll talk about them more because obviously they're in the Western Conference final, back-to-back Western conference finals, see if they can take the next step and go to the finals.

Speaker 1 This was like a sad, hey, the Warriors, this iteration may be dead. Steve Kerr said afterwards he thought they had a legitimate chance to make a finals run if Steph had stayed healthy.

Speaker 1 I also, weirdly, I know Jimmy Butler was sick, but is this the death of playoff Jimmy?

Speaker 7 No, I think Jimmy's just, he can't do it all on his own for three games in a row.

Speaker 1 But that's what he's been like, playoff Jimmy has done that.

Speaker 3 That's what playoff Jimmy did.

Speaker 1 That's literally what playoff Jimmy did. The last two games, he took 20 shots total.
I don't know. Again, he was feeling under the weather two games ago.
Maybe he still lingered, but like

Speaker 1 it might, I mean, he's getting older. I think might have been just the end of playoff Jimmy as well.

Speaker 7 I think the writing was on the wall for the Warriors where Kaminga was like, okay, I'm going to get the ball. I'm going to be able to show off what I can do.

Speaker 7 I don't know if they're going to bring him back as a restricted free agent. I think he's an RFA this year.
I don't know if they're going to try to sign and trade him.

Speaker 7 I don't know if they're just going to let him go off. But this was like, Jimmy was not.

Speaker 7 The Warriors weren't. doing their best team effort to win this series because I think they all understood that they couldn't.

Speaker 7 So you've got a guy like Kaminga that's like, I'm going to go out there and take a million shots too. So you can't really get into playoff Jimmy mode.

Speaker 1 I think that's exactly where, like, if you, when Steph gets hurt in game two, you're like, playoff Jimmy will get him one.

Speaker 1 He didn't, he didn't get him one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think it's just the Warriors, they realize this is not, we don't have a chance without Steph.

Speaker 1 That's when playoff Jimmy should be. That's, I might be the death tab.
He's going to be 36 before next year. It's playoff Jimmy done.

Speaker 7 I'm just, I'm excited for the Timberwolves.

Speaker 7 Two years in a row. Two years in a row get into this place.

Speaker 7 Are they a better team now?

Speaker 7 I think they might be a better team. Yeah.
And I think that both the Knicks and the Timberwolves both got a lot better by doing that trade.

Speaker 7 The rare win-win trade where I guess, who is it, the Hornets? The Hornets lost that trade. Yes.
The other two teams won. Both teams got a whole lot better.

Speaker 7 I'm excited to see what the Wolves can do. I don't know who would you rather play if you're the Wolves? If you had to pick.

Speaker 1 I mean, they beat the Nuggets last year in seven. Yeah.
So it's like you've done it. Yeah, no, Julius Randle was.

Speaker 1 He's exactly what the Timberwolves needed in the fact that he

Speaker 1 has these swings and he's an incredible shooter, an incredible offensive big man. Julius Randall has just been consistent.

Speaker 1 And you've seen it where he doesn't do the old Julius Randle of spinning to nowhere and all that stuff. He's just been awesome.

Speaker 1 And Anthony Edwards, I feel like we're due from, I think, has Anthony Edwards, he had a 50-point playoff game last year, right?

Speaker 7 I don't think he's gone nuclear this year, has he?

Speaker 1 He's toyed with it.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to get

Speaker 1 a 50 burger in the Western Conference final at some point. At some point from Anthony Edwards, because it feels like he's flirting.
I'm looking right now for game logs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 And shout out also the Timberlands fan who

Speaker 1 was just doing Coke in the middle of the game. Did you guys see that?

Speaker 7 I didn't see that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a guy who,

Speaker 1 it was the feed of...

Speaker 1 It was the Jumbotron feed. So, like, people who have the league pass, they were watching and someone noticed it.

Speaker 1 But also, no, I think there was still oh, I guess the league pass and there were people tweeting about it. Maybe here

Speaker 3 TNT sometimes has like the best. You can just watch the one camera.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, watch this just blatantly. Good for that guy.
He's just dipping it on his.

Speaker 7 That guy's definitely an AWL. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Love, love that. He thought he was set and the jumbotron was just right on him while he was just doing Coke in his seat.
That's a savage move, but it's also, it's a closeout game against the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Like, I think that if it was a court situation, you'd be like, dude, we were closing out the Warriors.

Speaker 7 If I'm his boss. That guy's an idiot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That guy better own his own company or he's fucked.

Speaker 7 If I'm his boss, I'm willing to let this one slide. If it had been during a loss, that's Wednesday afternoon.
Yeah, imagine if you're losing a playoff game.

Speaker 7 You're down 15 points in the fourth quarter and the camera catches you just doing a bump at the stands.

Speaker 7 That's an issue, doing sad cocaine.

Speaker 1 Although you could probably spin it anyway. You'd be like, yeah, I needed, the boys needed me.

Speaker 1 Tight game, you're like, I was nervous, needed to get locked in.

Speaker 7 If the game's out of hand, though,

Speaker 7 that's a bad look.

Speaker 1 44 points is his career. I'm going to say it right now: 50 burger coming for Anthony Edwards in this series.
Feels I'm excited. I don't know.
Are they going to start if?

Speaker 1 Well, I guess we've already taped the Nuggets Thunder.

Speaker 1 Is there a chance we just don't have any playoffs this weekend?

Speaker 7 Yeah, WNBA. They are taking some of the nights off to give more spotlight to WNBA opening weekend.
Got it.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 1 All right, so hockey, the

Speaker 1 Leafs are in major trouble. Major, major trouble.
Big time. That was as much of an ass-kicking as you could get in front of a home crowd.
Very important game five. Holy shit, they got smoked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel bad for Biz.

Speaker 7 Oldie was watching the game with Biz last night, trying to amp things up. And it's funny seeing Biz be the parent in a relationship like that.

Speaker 7 Where like normally there's somebody to Biz's side being like, come on, Biz, let's not get distracted with the shiny things. Let's keep it moving.

Speaker 7 Oldie turned Biz into, oh, okay, let's settle down, Oldie. Come on.
Like, he was the responsible one, but it didn't do anything.

Speaker 7 It was 4-0 before you could fart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, Coach Craig Bruby, the Leafs coach, said it perfectly. He said, I don't think they came in any harder than they have.
I think we let them come tonight. We stood around and watched.

Speaker 1 So they were sitting in the cuck chair.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's kind of hot. Yeah.
Kind of hot.

Speaker 1 They were just coming. The Panthers were coming, and Craig Bruby was just sitting there watching the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Speaking of great coaching moves, how about, I I don't think we talked about Chris Finch calling his team a bunch of losers

Speaker 7 when they were winning a game, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I believe they were up at the time. He's like, you guys are playing like a bunch of losers out there.
And then Anthony Edwards, after the game was like, yeah, coach just called us losers at halftime.

Speaker 7 And he was right. So we just decided to stop being losers.
But yeah, Craig Barubi, that's,

Speaker 7 it is kind of hot. Yeah.
It is kind of hot.

Speaker 1 They just let him come. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the Oilers,

Speaker 1 domination of the Knights. You can't win a, that's as close to a sweep as you can get because they won the series 4-1, and the only win for the Knights was a buzzer beater.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so how many minutes did Edmonton's goalie go without letting in a goal?

Speaker 1 Skinner, yeah,

Speaker 7 it must have been after the after overtime.

Speaker 1 So 60? No, no, no, no, no, it was 100. No, it's 120.

Speaker 7 It was 120 before they got to overtime. Yeah.
Yeah. Just really on a hot streak rate.

Speaker 1 Answered the bell because there were legitimate people saying, like, hey, Skinner, that's crazy that you did that in the buzzer beater. How How could you let him play anymore?

Speaker 1 The series comes back, doesn't give up a goal for the next two games.

Speaker 7 I mean, who's Batman? Who's Robin on that team? I think Skinner is probably Batman. And then you got to say McDavid is Robin.

Speaker 1 Dry Sarah, maybe, is Robin. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then McDavid might be Alfred.

Speaker 1 He's Catwoman. Yeah.
Yeah. He's Catwoman.
That seems right. I'm excited for the Oilers.
I'm excited for Wit. Oiler Stars feels like could be awesome.
Could be very awesome.

Speaker 1 Should we talk about the NFL schedule? Oh, I had one last.

Speaker 3 I mean, we obviously take the beginning, PFTP. What's your mindset going into this?

Speaker 1 Oh, he's going to make you predict it.

Speaker 3 How do you feel?

Speaker 7 What do you think happened? How should I feel?

Speaker 3 You should feel excited, nervous. Nervous, but excited.

Speaker 1 I feel confident. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I feel confident. I think this is a four-goal win.
Four-goal? I think this is on the city.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to take an alternate lock.

Speaker 7 The city is going to win tonight.

Speaker 3 That's what it's all about. Yeah.
It's like you've got a home game. You got to rally.

Speaker 8 The district. Get a gape.

Speaker 7 We're getting a gape in the district tonight, and I'm feeling very confident. If hands on glass.

Speaker 7 If there's hands on the glass, if there's any Russian gas available anywhere in the world, Ovetskin's going to have it before tonight.

Speaker 7 I feel like there's going to be a lot of energy, and don't let us win one. I got a message for the Hurricanes.
Don't let us win one. Wow.
Because if we do, we're bringing the storm back to Raleigh.

Speaker 1 This is going to be bad if they lost. And game six.

Speaker 7 I'm saying don't let us win one.

Speaker 1 Don't let it.

Speaker 7 If they don't let us win one, then I predict that the Hurricanes will win the series. That's a good prediction.
If they let us win one, I wouldn't. I wouldn't let us win one.

Speaker 1 I'll just say

Speaker 7 you don't want to know what's going to happen if we win one. Don't do it.
It's going to be very bad for you and very good for me. But I do feel strangely confident about this game.
Home ice,

Speaker 7 Logan Thompson took off the

Speaker 7 morning skate because he's just trying to get locked in for the night. And

Speaker 7 I think Ovie's going to get a goal. I think Wilson's going to put somebody through the glass.
I think Strome's going to have two assists. And I think Pierre Luc Dubois is going to get an empty netter.

Speaker 1 That's what I think. Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 We're taping this at 11 in the morning before you get on your flight to D.C.

Speaker 7 I mean, I'm bringing my mom with me. She's got to be worth at least two goals, right? Easily.
Like, moms are good luck. Mother's Day week, taking on a double date with Nathan.

Speaker 1 We get a whole season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mother's Day week. We get a whole week? Mother's Day week.

Speaker 3 Post-mostly Mother's Day week.

Speaker 7 I told my mom, I was like, hey, listen, for Mother's Day, taking you out for a nice dinner in D.C., then we're going to go to the Capitals game together. She's very excited about that.

Speaker 7 She loves the caps. So I think Mama Cometer is worth two goals at least.

Speaker 1 All right. Oh, I have one last thing before we talk NFL schedule.
Did you guys see one of the saddest headlines I've seen?

Speaker 1 Cavs owner Dan Gilbert spent over $500,000 on fake snow machines that were used one time in the postseason. So this is a thing the Cavs did.
It's called the Cavalanch.

Speaker 3 When the Cavs

Speaker 1 when the Cavs go on a run, like unanswered, like 10 in a row, they do a Cavalanche in the stands where they drop fake snow. He spent $500,000 to use it one single time.

Speaker 7 But you can save that, right?

Speaker 1 That's also a business.

Speaker 3 That's a business expense.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You write that off.

Speaker 3 I mean, 500K for a billionaires.

Speaker 1 It probably, I would imagine it was. 500 bucks.
It went off. They were like, hey,

Speaker 1 we want to spend half a million dollars on this thing where we're going to drop fake snow. He's like, no.

Speaker 3 Like, what if we told you it's the cavalry?

Speaker 1 So anyway,

Speaker 1 some guy came up with

Speaker 3 the cavalry and Dan Gilbert stood up on a table and was like, we need more of this guy.

Speaker 1 How much is it going to cost? Doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 Yeah, was it the fake snow that cost 500 grand or was it the entire apparatus?

Speaker 1 I think it was the fake

Speaker 1 snow.

Speaker 7 Because he's getting ripped off by his fake snow guy.

Speaker 1 All right, here it is.

Speaker 1 Before the start of this postseason, Cavs chairman Dan Gilbert loved the idea of the Cavalanche, duh, so much that he paid more than $500,000 to install fake snow machines in the arena's ceiling that could blast confetti throughout the arena's bowl when the Cavs went on one of their patented offensive tears.

Speaker 7 Okay, so that's an investment then.

Speaker 1 The Cavalanche machine went off exactly once in the entire postseason.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's an investment.

Speaker 7 So it's not like, you know, the Cavalanch is still there for next year.

Speaker 7 Do you think it's like if you put, if you renovate a bathroom, you add a bathroom to your house, that ups the resale value when he sells the Cavs 20 years from now, he's going to be like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 And he comes with the Cavalier.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you think Dan Gilbert, after they got bounced, like went into an empty arena and was like, just hit the Cavalanche once for me? Just let me see the Cavalanch.

Speaker 7 I think he probably got the Cavalanche turned on specifically for him before the playoffs even started.

Speaker 7 He's like, I want to use me as the test dummy.

Speaker 1 The fucking name is right there. It's the Cavalanche.
Yeah. It's a great name.
We need more. We need more guys like Todd and more ideas like the Cavalanch.

Speaker 1 Everyone else is fired in this room. Build the whole team out of the Cavalanche.

Speaker 7 We'll do the caviar, and we're just going to dump fish eggs on it. Fans that are in the wine and cheese section.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 All right. NFL schedule.
I feel very confident in remaining with my take that they completely have ruined the fun of the NFL schedule release because I don't know if you guys had the same experience.

Speaker 1 I knew the entire Bears schedule at like noon on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 It should be noon. It should all be prime time.
They just. It's a TV show.

Speaker 1 It is out too many games, so you can all piece it together.

Speaker 7 It was a two-hour show. Yeah.
It was two hours of unveiling the schedule. At some point, they're just going to do like one game per week.
Right. It's going to be like,

Speaker 7 we're going to spend like the entire month of April and May just dropping, okay. Here's weeks one through four.

Speaker 7 Next week is weeks four through eight. Here are all the prime time games.
They're going to try to milk it for everything.

Speaker 7 The only thing that was good about the schedule release was the apologies that had to come after the fact from teams that had screwed them up. Yeah.
So the Colts had to apologize.

Speaker 1 I'm woke on that. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, Hank, if you were to guess two things,

Speaker 7 one as a company and one as a person for who the Indianapolis Colts had to apologize to for their schedule release, who would you guess?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 3 I don't know. Jeff Peanut Butter?

Speaker 7 No, they had to apologize

Speaker 7 to they said we apologize to Microsoft and Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 3 I'm woke up. Two powerful enemies.

Speaker 1 So the Colts tweeted their video. By the way, I'm caught.

Speaker 1 I don't want to sound too old man-ish. I'm out on all the schedule release videos except for the Chargers.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's what I said on Monday. It's like that's the, I will check the Commanders because I want to, and then I will check the the chargers because they usually do a great job.

Speaker 1 Everyone tries to get like so funny and cute. And then you also remember that there's owners who have to sit and like be like approved or not approved.
Just stop it. Just stop.

Speaker 7 It's not.

Speaker 1 Whatever. The Chargers, though, and the Colts now.
So I'm woke on this. I think the Colts might have deleted it to get more buzz because that was legitimately a hilarious video.

Speaker 1 They actually crushed it.

Speaker 1 They did Tyree Killa as a dolphin getting arrested by the Coast Guard. They had Will Levis getting hit by a bus, a bachelorette bus, where there was a chick puking on the bus.

Speaker 1 They had Kyler Murray as the chicken jockey. They had John Rocker and Mahomes Sr.
fighting, and then Patrick Mahomes as a frog. And then they had Liam Cohen doing the Duval.
It was funny.

Speaker 3 That sounds all funny.

Speaker 1 And then they deleted it, but I think that it actually makes it even better. It's like a cult classic.

Speaker 7 Cult classic.

Speaker 1 There were multiple. There it is.
Nice Hank.

Speaker 7 Brains back. Multiple teams

Speaker 7 that did Minecraft. Yeah.
So that was, they got a

Speaker 7 either maybe this was like a thing where they all agreed to promote the Minecraft movie and took some money on the side, or they need to have a group chat amongst all the social media managers where they say, hey, we got Dibs on they got to do a

Speaker 1 draft lottery. A televised draft would be funny.

Speaker 7 Yeah, to see who is allowed to use whatever the hottest pop culture reference is at the time.

Speaker 1 It would be very funny for

Speaker 1 them to do a televised draft, and then you have every social media, like the head of every social media team sitting in a room, and they get up there and and they're like, Hey, we're gonna do Minecraft.

Speaker 7 Yeah, or like last year, we got dibs on Hoctua.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Yeah, hey, we're we're gonna do

Speaker 1 a play on the bear, and we're gonna do different like cuisines.

Speaker 7 Yeah, um, we have the Costco guys booked. We talked to them seven months ago.

Speaker 1 Where the fuck were the Costco?

Speaker 7 How were they not used? My guess is that every team had talked to the Costco guys, and they said, you know what, we're gonna be busy. We're banging the drum.

Speaker 3 Well, the video, the video of when they did the Panthers, did you see what they said in it?

Speaker 1 No. They're like, we're the Costco guys.

Speaker 3 We like every NHL team, but tonight, it's the Panthers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Paul, we love all the NHL teams, but tonight, we're in the Panthers' house. So that means that the Panthers are a boom and you're a goon.

Speaker 1 So they could have done everything. You can't like it.
It should have been every NHL.

Speaker 3 It should have been 30.

Speaker 1 That's illegal. The Costco guys should have revealed every single, they should have been every team's video.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got to use them for everything or nothing.

Speaker 1 I think the Costco guys are their their brand is uh open for everybody yeah they don't want to pigeonhole themselves to be in one team but i imagine that there were a lot of phone calls that were made to them this year yeah i have one other old man take and i actually think this one's correct and people will agree with me i think it is absolutely bullshit to have any division game played international the chargers and chiefs are playing on friday night in brazil to start the season you should not have division games be international games that is so stupid i also don't like the division games being super close together either.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that one I feel like they've just been going towards that way. Like

Speaker 1 you play the Eagles

Speaker 7 Eagles

Speaker 1 break Eagles. Yeah, I think we have Packers.

Speaker 4 The last three weeks of the season. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't like that. You're playing against the same team.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You have a buy in the last three weeks of the season.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, it's Eagles, Christmas, Eagles, I think.

Speaker 4 I know we finished the last game of the season is Eagles Commanders.

Speaker 1 Week five buy sucks as the Bears have.

Speaker 1 Not too happy about that. Also,

Speaker 1 I was just looking like random things.

Speaker 1 The Browns schedule to start as Bengals, Ravens, Packers, Lions. They're going to be.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's tough. It's a very, very, very hard.

Speaker 7 Tommy's opened the preseason at Gillette at that stupid fucking lighthouse, Hank.

Speaker 1 Oh, preseason. Yeah.
To a watch party. Hell yeah.
Can I say

Speaker 4 bullshit that the Bills used AI?

Speaker 1 Well, you should have used them.

Speaker 4 We did the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 You should have used used them.

Speaker 3 We did the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Like, our release video was just a two-minute video of the Super Bowl trophy, and then the last frame.

Speaker 1 So you're just hung up on the past? That's funny.

Speaker 3 I actually like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just who gives me a question. Yeah, it's just who gives a fuck about this?

Speaker 4 Here's the schedule.

Speaker 3 I like that.

Speaker 4 But the Bills using Allen Iverson is absolute bullshit.

Speaker 1 Very creative, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought it was fine. What if the Nuggets had used him? I mean,

Speaker 1 the Concos would have been fine. Well, Buffalo doesn't have an NBA team.

Speaker 4 Then you can't use Allen Iverson.

Speaker 1 They did. They used AI.
Yeah, they did. They can't.
But they did. They did.
They can't. They did whatever they want.

Speaker 1 We also have on paper, this is my favorite part about the schedule being released, is that we get excited for games. We're about to do our Mount Rushmore of Games of the Year.

Speaker 1 On paper, we do have a very strong Thanksgiving. So it's Packers at Lions, Chiefs at Cowboys, Bengals at Ravens.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's going to be a great day.

Speaker 1 That's going to be a great day.

Speaker 7 Really solid.

Speaker 1 And Bears and Eagles on Black Friday. Yeah, this was

Speaker 7 going to be my Fire Fest, but I'll bring it up now. My Fire Fest is that the NFL, as I thought they would, they are really going to shove the Commanders down your throat next season.

Speaker 7 I think there's eight standalone games that you're going to have to watch them.

Speaker 7 It's a lot of pressure.

Speaker 7 I'm not used to the idea of my team playing in primetime so much, but it's a high likelihood that people will get sick as shit of seeing my team play. That kind of sucks.

Speaker 1 They also, speaking of primetime,

Speaker 1 they hit the Patrick Mahomes button. The first eight weeks of the season, five prime time games for the Chiefs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Smart. I'm down for that.
Patrick Mahomes playing in a game, it will feel more important. Yeah.
It's just a fact. All right.
You ready to do the dumbest draft?

Speaker 1 Because half these games will have like a backup quarterback playing? Yep. Mount Rushmore of Games of the Year.
Hank, you want to start?

Speaker 3 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT, you want to start? Yeah, I'll start. All right, go ahead, PFT.

Speaker 1 These are Mount Rushmore of Games of the Year. We're going to take it very seriously.

Speaker 7 My first overall pick for game of the year.

Speaker 7 And I'm going to be basing this off ratings, however the ratings go. Yep.

Speaker 7 Kansas City Chiefs at the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 7 Good one. In Orchard Park, week nine, 420, the afternoon game, Blaze It.

Speaker 7 CBS, we got Nansen Romo on the call. Okay.
That's going to be a big one. I like that one.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll go week two.

Speaker 1 Eagles and Chiefs Super Bowl rematch afternoon window. That's a really nice thing they did there because we get so hyped up for week one.

Speaker 1 And then there's usually a little like, oh, week two doesn't, you don't have the same, you know, excitement, and then we have that waiting for us. So good job by the NFL schedule makers.

Speaker 3 I was going to take that one.

Speaker 3 Well, I did. I know.
It was a good pick. Yeah.
Good pick. Good value.
I will go with kind of one that's like a guaranteed, you know, we don't know what's going to happen later in the season.

Speaker 3 Week one, Baltimore at Buffalo. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Bills Mafia.
Great pick.

Speaker 1 Great game.

Speaker 3 Great pick. You know, you never know what's going to happen throughout the season, but this is one you know is going to be exciting.
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 Good pick, Hank. Great pick.

Speaker 7 You get a second one.

Speaker 1 No, no, Max.

Speaker 1 I will go.

Speaker 4 My first one will be week 11, Lions at Eagles, Sunday Night Football. Lions fans, Lions players think that they would have beat the Eagles last year, so they'll, you know,

Speaker 4 give them a chance of some sort of redemption, even though it'll mean nothing.

Speaker 4 And then my next one will be week four, Ravens at Chiefs.

Speaker 4 That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Week three.

Speaker 4 I'm seeing week four. Okay, week four.
Ravens at Chiefs, 425 start.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 It'd be a great one.

Speaker 7 It feels like the Ravens win that one and they get feeling themselves. Yep.
Then they match up later in the playoffs. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 I don't know where I'm going to go with this one.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with

Speaker 1 week six,

Speaker 3 podcast producer of this show. I'm a big fan of part of my take.
I'm going to go with week six, Chicago at Washington.

Speaker 7 Monday Night Football. Yeah, Monday Night Football.

Speaker 1 Tattoo Game. Gonna be a good one.

Speaker 7 We're gonna see. My guess is, you know, when they do those little weird animation things sometimes that they do on Monday Night Football? Yeah.
They're gonna have the Pope on there. Yeah.

Speaker 7 The Pope is gonna be featured in the weird digital form.

Speaker 1 A lot of Hail Mary video.

Speaker 7 By the way, did you know that the Pope fucked? What? Yeah, I just found that out this morning. Wow.
On DV radio. Wow.
Apparently, when he was like 19 years old...

Speaker 7 When he was 19 years old, apparently he was in a little relationship. Oh.
And they found the girl. Oh.
And so this might be the first Pope to have fucked. Fucked.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 Well, a woman. Yeah.

Speaker 7 An adult woman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with,

Speaker 1 I'll go Thanksgiving night. You know, you finished all the meals, you watched some football, and then you're like, man, I hope there's a good game.

Speaker 1 How about Joe Burrow going up against Lamar Jackson in Baltimore week 13? I love that game. I'm going to love that game.
That's a great one.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So this could hinge one way or the other. Okay.
But I feel like it's great value if it hits. Week 10,

Speaker 7 Sunday night football, October 26th. Sorry, week 8.
Sunday, October 26th. Week 8, Sunday night football.
The Green Bay Packers at the Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh Parkers had it on my list

Speaker 7 at the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 7 If we get Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh. Yep.
Now, if there's no Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh, then everything is off the table at this point.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 7 But that will be a great game if he is. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was on my list. That's a great pick.
Hat tip. Yep.
Yeah, you got another one. Okay.

Speaker 7 There's just so many great games. So many great games.
So many great games I have to choose from here.

Speaker 7 I'm going to go with the Bengals at the Bills. Has anyone taken that?

Speaker 7 Bengals at Bills, week 14,

Speaker 7 December 7th. Never forget Bengals, Joe Burrow going into Orchard Park playing our good friend Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Friendship game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wanted that one, too.

Speaker 7 Prayers for Damar game.

Speaker 1 Prayers for Damar. Got to have prayers

Speaker 1 for Damar.

Speaker 1 Hmm. Hmm.
Hmm.

Speaker 1 There's so many good games. So many good games to pick from.
And it's hard to pick these games because there's so many games. You don't want to leave one out.

Speaker 1 And there's there's just so many good games. I'm a week 13, Vikings at Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold Revenge.

Speaker 7 That'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Sam Darnold Revenge.

Speaker 1 That is an afternoon game, week 13.

Speaker 1 Good pick. Thanks.

Speaker 3 Similar to PFTs, this one hinges, obviously, on Aaron Rodgers, but I'm going to stick again, go to week one. This is just fun.
Fun storylines. Pittsburgh at New York Jets.

Speaker 3 Jussie versus Rogie.

Speaker 3 Teams reversed.

Speaker 3 Either way, one of the fan bases, obviously, if Aaron Rodgers isn't on the Steelers, this won't be as funny. But

Speaker 3 if he is, one of these fan bases is going to be furious one weekend, which is just hilarious.

Speaker 7 Are they going to let Aaron Rodgers run out with the American flag before the game? They should. I think they should, too.

Speaker 1 This is crazy that Mason Rudolph might be their just starter. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, thank God for flex scheduling, right?

Speaker 1 They should trade for Jameis.

Speaker 1 Giants have too many quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 It's just a fact.

Speaker 3 I should have got Shadusi.

Speaker 1 I should have gotten Shadussi. All right, Max, you got your last two.

Speaker 1 This has been some great podcasts. Yeah, this has been great.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go with week 17, Eagles at Bills.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Nice, another 425 start. And then crazy, I've so many.

Speaker 1 You got to hope that the game doesn't matter, though, right?

Speaker 4 It's the second to last week.

Speaker 3 True. Yeah.
Still.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 4 whatever.

Speaker 4 Eagles at Bills, week 17, and then I'm going to go week 10,

Speaker 4 Monday Night Football,

Speaker 4 Eagles in Lambeau.

Speaker 4 I think I'm going to go to that game, but that's going to be a great game.

Speaker 7 The tush-push-revenge game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ban this pussies.
Pussies.

Speaker 7 Actually, no, we don't say that. Right.
The Packers.

Speaker 1 We don't say that. We don't say that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank, you're right. All right, I'm going to go off the beaten path here.

Speaker 3 I'm going to call my children. I'm going to do that as well.

Speaker 3 I think, you know, the voting will probably happen tomorrow, but we might have to do a post-mostly vote because if this comes true, I think I would get the win.

Speaker 3 Week four,

Speaker 3 Cleveland at Detroit. Shador Sanders coming out party.

Speaker 1 I like that colour.

Speaker 3 Three weeks of build-up, people saying, start him, start him, start him. I think week four is maybe the time when

Speaker 3 something comes to a head, maybe an injury with the quarterback, and it's like, okay, it's Shadussi time at Detroit. You know, powerhouse goes in, wins on the road, and he's arrived.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I like that.
All right. I'm going to go off the beaten path two and try to call my shot.
This is my,

Speaker 1 holy shit, there's too many international games. This game's going to suck.
And then it actually rocks game of the year. It's

Speaker 1 Saturday, Sunday, November 9th in Berlin, Falcons at Colts. I don't want to watch that game.
Okay. But then it's just going to end up rocking.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do not want to watch that game. And it's also like perfectly,

Speaker 1 it's the fifth, I believe, international game, sixth international game of the year. You're just like, dude, we're doing this still.

Speaker 1 And then somehow, like, Anthony Richardson and Michael Pennix are going to have the best games ever.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's good to call your shot on one of them after you're already sick of waking up that early. Right.
I'm also going to call my shot.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Okay.

Speaker 7 We've got shot collars. Big time calling my shot.
This is January 25th, and it is the Washington Commanders against the Chicago Bears for the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 7 That is my game of the year.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 7 Putting it all on the line.

Speaker 1 Love that. I would love that.

Speaker 7 What a great, great game that would be.

Speaker 1 It would be great for the show.

Speaker 7 I actually don't know where it's going to be played at. Either Chicago or

Speaker 7 D.C.

Speaker 1 I don't have that. What about England? And my fucking Roger's going to make us do another one.

Speaker 3 Oh, never mind.

Speaker 1 No, he's talking about the FCG.

Speaker 7 I think it's going to be in D.C.

Speaker 3 I think it's going to be in DC. It's got to be in D.C.

Speaker 7 It's got to be in D.C. Yep.
Why is it going to be in D.C.?

Speaker 1 Have you guys done a blockchain? Because

Speaker 3 they're returning.

Speaker 3 You guys are up-and-comers still. Have you guys done a blockchain? Washington's established powerhouse.
They got to keep trucking.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's now trolling both of us. Yeah, he is.

Speaker 7 I'm choosing not to engage.

Speaker 1 Have you guys made the NSH?

Speaker 3 That's established.

Speaker 7 I'm choosing not to engage with Hank.

Speaker 7 Hank wins one fucking playoff game at home.

Speaker 1 He's so dying.

Speaker 3 I'm gassing you up.

Speaker 7 You win one playoff game. You swing back and forth like a motherfucker.
I'm stressing you up.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 God forbid a sports fan goes up and down. The pressure is a good one.

Speaker 1 That's a good point, Hank.

Speaker 7 But you go from either wanting, you go from either thinking that you're God to turning into a mass shooter based on a winner or or loss.

Speaker 3 Again, I don't know what you want me to say. I'm an emotional guy.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 3 Also, I was just complimenting you.

Speaker 3 And that turns me into an asshole.

Speaker 1 Have you guys done a blind go through your own schedule and get your record?

Speaker 1 I have not done that yet.

Speaker 7 All of our games seem like cupcakes. But I'll just say

Speaker 7 I'll say

Speaker 7 11 and 6.

Speaker 1 So I did it on Waddle and Sylvia yesterday. They sprung it on me and I ended up at 11 and 6.
I was like, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 I'd rather be 10 and 7 feels like a, or 9 and 8 feels a six out of 10 excitement.

Speaker 7 But you know what? Every year I look at the schedule and I'm like, 11 and 6. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. All right.
Let's get to our interviews. We got two great interviews.
We've got Mike Miller and then our guy, Randy Moss, talking preakness.

Speaker 7 Before we do that, PFT, you got a couple ads?

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Speaker 7 And now here's Mike Miller.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is two-time NBA champion,

Speaker 1 turned agent. He's here for the combine.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Lyft. Thank you.
Appreciate it. It is Mike Miller.

Speaker 1 Thanks for coming by. It's awesome to see you.
It's awesome to have you in the studio. Why don't we start with the Combine? So you are an agent now.

Speaker 1 How's the transition to being an agent?

Speaker 1 First of all, dope spot. Appreciate y'all having me in here.
Yes, thank you. We're going to hold our pro day out of your guys' facility next year, for sure.
Absolutely. Get all the NBA teams in here.

Speaker 1 Yes. Show some love.

Speaker 1 But no, it's been awesome. I knew I wanted to stay in the game.

Speaker 1 When I retired after 17 years, I took a little bit of time off and then got into coaching at University of Memphis.

Speaker 1 COVID hits, everyone's going crazy, right? So I took a reset button and knew I wanted, like I said, I want to stay in the game and help these kids.

Speaker 1 And so it was a bunch of my guys, kind of like you guys doing this stuff, right? We started to put Lyft together.

Speaker 1 And I think five years in now, we're super excited where we're growing this thing and we're continuing to build. Yeah, cool.

Speaker 7 So who do you represent now?

Speaker 1 So I have guys across the board. So Paolo Bancaro, Wendell Carter.
We got Jeremiah Fears in this year's draft. Boogie Flan.
We got Jabari Smith at Houston.

Speaker 1 Our company's got a ton of guys, man. We're blessed.
It's been awesome.

Speaker 7 As a Wizards fan, I was very disappointed that we got the six overall pick. But now I took a day, and then I started doing some scouting, and I watched a little of Jeremiah Fears play last year.

Speaker 7 But now I'm like, I think I want that guy.

Speaker 1 You should want that.

Speaker 7 I think he's going to be a great NBA point guard.

Speaker 1 I really do. So I got good news.
I got bad news. Okay.
The good news is you should want him. He's going to be an absolute monster.
I don't think he gets a six.

Speaker 7 Please.

Speaker 1 This is Agent Mike talking because I watched the clip of the year Paolo got trapped. Yeah.
And he told the story. Paolo's told the story.
He's been on this show. He was awesome.

Speaker 1 He said that you were just pacing and talking to yourself and being like, lock in, get in the zone. You got to be Agent Mike.
Is that true? No, you got to lock in. It's different.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Once you get out of the game, you got to find competitive shit to keep you going. And so, you know, for me, it was like that's just the way I am, right? And so, one, I owe it to them.

Speaker 1 You know, and if they pick Lyft and they pick me to represent them, I want to give them the best I got. So, I just, it's not Agent Mike talking about Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 Jeremiah is just a special kid, and he's a grinder, and I've been with him for the last month and a half.

Speaker 1 Well, the whole year, but last month and a half training him and just seeing where he's at, and he's just a baby.

Speaker 1 I mean, in three, four years, like when you remake this draft, he's going to be one of the top, probably the top one or two in this draft class.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, please just say, yeah, if you could go behind the scenes and just say the opposite of everything that you just said to me to everybody that's ever watched the Spurs, the Hornets, the Sixers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he's junk.

Speaker 7 You don't want him.

Speaker 7 That kid's a wizard, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go ahead. No, no, I was just going to say, so you do have a gear that you have for Agent Mike.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's, you know, P gassed that up a little bit,

Speaker 1 but I appreciate him doing that. But, you know, he gassed it up a little bit, but there's definitely gears to it, right? Like, some of that stuff's out of your control, especially when you get there.

Speaker 1 Like, the work's been done.

Speaker 1 You know, like going to this draft for the next two or three weeks, obviously, they've been all the our kids have been doing all the training already, but now they start going out here now that the draft lottery is set.

Speaker 1 You start going out here and visiting teams and go to your workouts. Once you get to draft day, you know, I mean, a lot of the work's been done, right?

Speaker 1 And so it's just now, you know, trying to manipulate some things at the end, which you try to do.

Speaker 7 Yeah, behind the scenes, as an agent, I feel like the NBA has a lot of

Speaker 7 strategic trade requests that are floated out there.

Speaker 1 I think I know where this is going. Yeah, well, no, I'm just you can take it wherever you want.

Speaker 7 Is there an art to leaking a trade request?

Speaker 1 I think there is an art to it.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, depending on, you know, where you're, where your kid is at as far as how much scrutiny or how much light he wants to take, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, some guys are just blunt because they want to be out. Other guys, you can find ways to do it.

Speaker 1 Fortunately for me, in my situation, I'm only four or five years in, we really haven't had any trade requests, so I haven't had to deal with that. But I definitely think there's an art to it.

Speaker 1 I mean, the way you market it and the way you do it is important. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you retired, you were immediately were like, I have to stay in the game somewhere and get into coaching, or did you take a minute where you're like, because we talked to Joe Keem a couple weeks ago, he said he didn't watch basketball for three years.

Speaker 1 He was like, I can't watch basketball. That's the biggest Joe Keem thing ever.
Yeah, yeah. He was just like, I just couldn't do it.
I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 Now he's back to watching basketball. Did you have any of that? Or were you like, I had a great career.
I got everything I needed to get out of it. And now I'm on to the next challenge.
I mean,

Speaker 1 for a lot of us,

Speaker 1 for most people, you don't get to land your own plane and decide, you know, to end when you want to, right? And so to play 17 seasons was a blessing. I still had that hunger and wanted to be in it.

Speaker 1 My kids were at an age where I could be involved a lot more in their stuff.

Speaker 1 So as far as basketball and stuff was concerned, I took a little bit of time off for sure. I didn't want to dive right back in.

Speaker 1 But like anything else in life, man, you get bored and you want to, you know, recreate some of that creativity and that competitiveness. And so I got into college coaching.

Speaker 1 And really, to be honest with you, college coaching and agency kind of align. You're doing the same things,

Speaker 1 just not the coaching part of it. But I'm still training the kids.
I'm on the floor with the kids. So it's just, it's a dope life to have right now for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the college coaching, the famous viral clip of you just cooking everyone on Memphis at 40 years old, that had to feel good.

Speaker 1 If people didn't see it, this is obviously a Division I, very good college team, and showing the levels to it. Mike Miller's, you know, you've been out of the game for a couple of years.

Speaker 1 You're 40 years old. And it was not even close.

Speaker 1 You were just dominating them one-on-one.

Speaker 1 Were you like, yeah, this is awesome to show them, like, this is what the level is. This is what you got to get to.
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously it's

Speaker 1 when you're an ex-player or anything you've done in the past and guys are, young kids are trying to get there, they talk a lot of shit to you, you know what I mean? So

Speaker 1 at some point, you gotta fight back. Yeah, yeah.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's fun to be able to do that. Obviously, I can't do it anymore, but those guys are continuing to get better.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, that was fun, and I had to make a statement.

Speaker 7 Did they look at you different afterwards? Oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, like they took what you said a little bit more seriously, yeah, a little more serious.

Speaker 1 I think they believed it a little more. I mean,

Speaker 1 it was an unbelievable honor to be coaching there because at the end of the day, you're coaching with Penny, too, like, right? Like, what are you going to say to Penny?

Speaker 1 You know, unfortunately, for some of them kids, they didn't realize how great Penny was. And so, you know, for all the old players, I had to stand up for at least once.

Speaker 7 Yeah, all right. Going back to the trade request thing, because I think you thought I was going to ask you about LeBron.
So, I will ask you about LeBron now.

Speaker 7 What was that like asking LeBron if it was was okay if you got traded?

Speaker 7 Is that how it went down where you're like, hey,

Speaker 7 or did he just insert himself after the fact when he was like, hey, just so you guys know, I told Mike it was okay. He wanted to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 Hey, bro, is it cool if I get traded?

Speaker 1 What are we going to do here?

Speaker 1 Next question. Okay.

Speaker 1 So what was the difference between LeBron in Miami and then Cleveland? Because you played with him both times.

Speaker 1 Could you tell a difference?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what, yeah.
I mean, like Dwayne Wade, it was, it was obviously LeBron is LeBron, but it was, he was going to a place where it was Dwayne Wade's team franchise.

Speaker 1 And then he goes back to Cleveland. He's, it's more his team, more his franchise.
Could you notice that? Could you feel that? Yeah, I mean, obviously,

Speaker 1 going back there, having the success I had in Miami, you could see it. You know, I was one year removed.
I went and played Memphis for one year and then went with him to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 And so when I got back there, even a year, though, like you could see the energy of himself, especially coming back to Cleveland, you could see where he's at.

Speaker 1 If I had something to prove again, but his game had changed too, right? Like those

Speaker 1 three years or four years I played with him in Miami,

Speaker 1 unbelievable athleticism. So people would always ask me like, how much more time does Bron got?

Speaker 1 And at that time, even when I was in Cleveland, I said, he probably got two or three more years at this level. And he just keeps reinventing the shit.

Speaker 1 So it's like, now it's like, I don't even want to answer the question no more. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Because now he's a 40% three-point shooter and he's efficient as hell.

Speaker 1 And if you look at his numbers across the board, there are like MVP numbers in Miami.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I don't even know how to answer the question, but there's definitely differences. You could see the athleticism come down a little bit, but it was still freakishly athletic, right? So,

Speaker 1 but his mind and the way he approached stuff, you could tell came from some of that Miami stuff for sure.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I heard a story that he used to lose weight during games when he was on the heat. Is that true?

Speaker 1 Man, I'll tell you the greatest story, and I've said this.

Speaker 7 I'm sorry, I screwed that up. The story is that LeBron would gain weight

Speaker 7 during games. He'd weigh it before and then afterwards.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy story. We did Weight Body Fat in Miami.
This is game, God, I want to say it's six. Might be off on the game, sorry.
At home against Indiana in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Weight body fat's always on Thursday in Miami. I think this game landed on Thursday.
So he does his weight body fat.

Speaker 1 And he weighed in that day before the game at like 267, maybe.

Speaker 1 I might be off on the weight, but the story is the same. He goes and plays.
It's an overtime game, almost positive, and he has ridiculous numbers. And he don't use a towel, man.

Speaker 1 Like when you watch him on the bench, he's got like these little wipes.

Speaker 1 He doesn't sweat, doesn't do anything.

Speaker 1 Plays, I think, 40, like almost 50 minutes because overtime game. He weighed like six pounds heavier.
That's crazy after the game. And that's why, like, he's a test tube baby.
He's not real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that isn't real. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 And I mean, just the fact that he was weighing 267 to begin with. No, I didn't.
And then playing like that is crazy. I mean, we joke about LeBron a lot because

Speaker 7 he gives us some material to work with.

Speaker 7 He's fun to joke about. He's fun to joke about, but at the end of the day, what he's done in the NBA is just absolutely incredible to still be at this level.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable. And that's like I said, they were worried about him, you know, cramping body weight and he'd gained weight during the games.
Like he's not human.

Speaker 1 So what you're either saying is 100% like what he's been able to sustain and do. I saw him at the game in Memphis not too long ago.

Speaker 1 And the way he's prepping and doing stuff for the game is why it's like if I bring a young kid, it's like, that's it. You know what I mean? Like he puts so much time in his body to be able to do this.

Speaker 1 And obviously he's hurt last game of the year this year, but to do this for as long as he has is unbelievable. Well, now he has his greatest test of all time.
He's got to make Luca not fat.

Speaker 1 Do you think he will?

Speaker 1 It's a good question. This is like LeBron's done it all, but can he do the one thing no one's been able to do? That's a great question.

Speaker 1 He said, That's a great question. That's a great question.

Speaker 7 I know you were about to say it, so I just said first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 We're finishing the sentences already.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. I think Luca's 100% dialed in.
I think you're going to see a different Luca. I do.
I think you're going to see Luca.

Speaker 1 I think he's like, you think he's 100% dialed in, or do you think he's more like 275% dialed in?

Speaker 1 I think Luke has a lot to prove.

Speaker 1 He does. He has a lot to prove.

Speaker 1 I think he knows that. And he's being around Luca the little bit that I have, super, super competitive.

Speaker 1 I think he comes back in elite shape next year. As an agent, and you're obviously in the league circles, was the Luca trade as shocking to you in the moment as it was to everyone else? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I mean, you don't see it, right? You don't, and as an agent, what it does is

Speaker 1 it puts you on your P's and Q's because if you can trade Luke, you can trade anybody, right? So you can't get comfortable. That's true.
And so, you know, obviously everyone was shocked by it.

Speaker 1 And for anything to happen in the NBA, and you guys know this, is like for no one to know about it before it happens is almost impossible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the fact that they were able to pull that off and do that stuff with no one knowing about it was crazy. But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone saw that one coming. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think he will be locked in. I think he's going to...
There were a lot of things that were said about Luke.

Speaker 7 And he'll go back and he'll watch how he played in the playoffs, and he'll see what everybody else saw. Be like, there's some things I need to get better at: conditioning, defense.

Speaker 7 And I think he'll probably work at all that stuff.

Speaker 7 You, in particular, I'm sure you worked a ton, like having a stroke like that.

Speaker 7 What was your workout routine that you would put yourself through to make sure that you dialed in?

Speaker 1 You know, I did the same thing. I was boring.
I did the same thing every day for basically 35 years.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it was the same routine. And

Speaker 1 every day I would at least make a thousand shots.

Speaker 1 But as I grew in the league and you started understanding, like, your offseason is about, yes, getting better. But once you've played long enough, you know where your shots are coming from.

Speaker 1 So now mastering those shots.

Speaker 1 And that's what I would say for every young kid. There's probably one guy on the floor on a team that can dictate and do a lot of the creative shit.

Speaker 1 But for the rest of them, you know where your shots are coming from and you know how many you're going to get. So the biggest thing for me was just dialing into that.

Speaker 1 Because if you're going to get, when I was in Miami, for example, if I was going to get three or four or five threes i had to make three of them right and so you had to put pressure on yourself and you had to do it in a training way to put pressure on yourself so like for all these kids man it's understanding where you're at now where you want to be but how do i get playing time now and so my routines were always the same once i knew who i was i just dialed into it was it a lot harder to transition to like the veteran spot where it's like hey i'm only getting five shots a night like that this is now because if you shoot 15 times a night, you know, you can miss some.

Speaker 1 You're going to miss some. But if you shoot five, you got, like you said, you got to make three.
Like, you have to do that. Yeah, it was going to Miami was one of the one of the toughest things.

Speaker 1 And we talked about it, we joked about it. Obviously, the big three signs there, and they talk about winning all these championships and put the pressure on us to do it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 the sacrifices that a lot of people had to make, not just financial, but playing and style. And it was new for a lot of people.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, we weren't, I mean, I'm not sitting here saying it was great, but we had different roles on different teams. And when you went there, my role was completely different.

Speaker 1 And my shots went down. It was less pick pick and roll.
Ball is not in your hands as much. So you don't get that feel in the rhythm of a game.
So I literally trained myself because I got sick of it.

Speaker 1 I get three or four threes. I get on that treadmill and run for five minutes, jump off and shoot one shot.

Speaker 1 You know, treadmill, run for five minutes, jump off and shoot one shot because that's what my life was.

Speaker 1 I was running corner to corner, being kind of a glue dude and making shots for these guys to give LeBron, D-Wade, and CB their space. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So, and I got sick of the ball getting hit in my hands and getting ready to shoot in the cold car.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I was like, I'm done with that shit. I'm not going to do that no more.
So you've got to put pressure on yourself to do that. That's how you got to train.

Speaker 1 But it's all situational, right? Like, my situation was different there than it was when I played in Washington, which was crazy.

Speaker 1 My situation was different than it was in Memphis when I played there or Orlando. So it's all about opportunity where your situation lies.

Speaker 7 What's the most shots you've made in a row in practice?

Speaker 1 I made 88 threes one day.

Speaker 1 88 in a row? Yep. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 88 threes one day. So

Speaker 1 if we said right now, like go out and shoot 100 threes, what would you confidently plus 80 somewhere in that area. Still to this day.

Speaker 1 That's so awesome.

Speaker 1 That's like riding a bike, though. Shooting something.

Speaker 7 When you're making 88 threes in a row, are you being critical of yourself the ball hits the rim?

Speaker 1 When it goes in, like, listen, there's a bad shot.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're never critical of yourself, but like you can feel like when you shoot as much as

Speaker 1 when you do something, muscle memory for so long, like you can feel when you're slipping somewhere, right? Like, that's where I try to get these kids now.

Speaker 1 If you do something long enough or you do it enough, you'll start being able to self-correction. And when you get that thing in a rhythm like that, it's like anything in life, man.

Speaker 1 It's like when you go to play a softball game tonight, you get your rhythm going. It's a wrap.
Yeah. How good are you at beer pong? Elite beer pong.
Yeah, really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, one because I can drink beer really well. So it's like, I don't mind losing either.
Yeah. Are you the best South Dakota beer drinker? Yeah, probably.
No, I was going to say athlete ever. Oh,

Speaker 1 who would be in the running?

Speaker 1 Was

Speaker 1 Dallas Goddard from there?

Speaker 1 That would have been a Terry. Is he from there?

Speaker 7 He's from one of the, yeah. I think Dallas Goddard's from one of the Dakota's

Speaker 1 athletes.

Speaker 7 Brock Lesnar.

Speaker 1 Is he from there? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chad Greenway. Chad Greenway, great football player.
Mark Ellis.

Speaker 7 Hunter Lepke.

Speaker 1 Mike Miller. You relisted three here.
Three. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I mean, you're the best basketball player from South Dakota, right? You have to say.

Speaker 1 What were your,

Speaker 1 was there stars back when you were coming out of high school? Yeah, I mean, I was fortunate. I was McDonald's all-American.
I got to do those things. So were you five-star? Five-star guy.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So you, you're,

Speaker 1 it's not even a question.

Speaker 1 Jay Novacek, that was remember him, yeah, he was tight end for the Cowboys. Yeah, I think I'm gonna give it to you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 South Dakota doesn't really have anything else. Can we get a trophy from you guys? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 I needed a PMT trophy to put it in my room.

Speaker 7 What was that like going from South Dakota to Florida? Like, the level up and competition must have been huge, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it was.

Speaker 1 You know, I was he's talking about the chicks. Oh, dude, that was leveling up too.

Speaker 1 For sure. No, one of the bigger reasons I chose that place for you.

Speaker 1 I like South Dakota women. women.

Speaker 1 I do. I do.
Hey, come back with me. Yeah, we can bale some hay.

Speaker 7 Sturdy women.

Speaker 1 Strong, strong. Strong, sturdy.
Strong.

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 it was definitely, you know, for me, though, I was fortunate. My parents did a lot of sacrifices.
They were allowed to play in a lot of these tournaments when I was growing up.

Speaker 1 So I stepped out of status, South Dakota and played in those tournaments to

Speaker 1 showcase myself a little more. But yeah, I mean, anytime you go from

Speaker 1 high school level to college level is always leveling up for sure. Yeah.
Especially in the SEC. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so I got a couple questions about the championship years for the Heat. Yeah.
The famous Ray Allen shot. Did you guys know that the Spurs were dead after that? Yeah, I mean, it's tough.

Speaker 1 I mean, the reality is, like, when you play in a league for a long time in moments like that.

Speaker 1 They had us beat dead in the water. They missed a couple big free throws.
We get a couple scramble play, loose balls.

Speaker 1 Ray hits, I mean, an absolutely ridiculous shot, not just to make that shot, but to stay in bounce and make that shot.

Speaker 1 But the crazy thing is, I know

Speaker 1 it's been well noted. He's said it a lot.
He's practiced that shot thousands. It's the wildest thing I've ever seen.
Like, I thought he was drunk the first time. Like, he lays down, gets up.

Speaker 1 He does the whole deal. Like, backstepping on the bottom.
Backpedal everything. Yeah, he does the whole deal.
And that's where I tell, you know, if you're ever going to do anything like,

Speaker 1 you never think you're going to use that shot. But for that moment, it was worth it, right? So

Speaker 1 they were in trouble after that. They were in trouble after that.
It's just hard to overcome that, especially

Speaker 1 at home in Miami. It's tough.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Were you in the air conditioning game?

Speaker 1 No, I think that was the year after. The year after.
Yeah, yeah. That's okay.
They smoked you guys out. When he cramped.
Yeah, the cramp. Yeah, that was gone.
That was in Memphis playing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was a tough one to watch. We were watching that.
We were like, this feels like it's rigged.

Speaker 7 Do you think the NBA is rigged?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think the NBA is rigged, but you know, it's hard for you to ask that question now after the lotteries came out with a 1% chance. I know.
I know.

Speaker 1 That was a make-good. That's what I'm doing talking about in the business.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's rigged, but I ain't got a whole lot of ground to stand on after the draft lottery the other day, but I still believe it's not.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so when they did say not like three, not four, not five, not six, seven, seven championships. You talk about some of the pressure that it put on you.

Speaker 7 Was there like a group chat on the side? It's like, holy shit, what did they just sign us up for?

Speaker 1 You didn't even need to have a group chat. Everyone felt that.
Yeah. Yeah.
When we, I'll be honest, man, when we lost that first year in Dallas,

Speaker 1 and then you go on the next year, and you can just feel the pressure because you know, at the end of the day,

Speaker 1 they're more than likely going to keep the three.

Speaker 1 They're going to make an ultimate change if we don't win the following year. Yep.
We go down, I think we're, yeah, I know what we are. We're down 3-2 going into Boston.

Speaker 1 And you can, I mean, at the end of that,

Speaker 1 first of all, the greatest game I've ever seen of one individual play, LeBron, in that game. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 But if we don't win that series, like, we don't,

Speaker 1 none of us are ever in Miami except for those three guys, probably. We're all out of there.

Speaker 1 So like when you were done with that season, it wasn't the physical exhaustion, it was the mental exhaustion that was done.

Speaker 1 For me personally, I wasn't even like a celebration. I was like, fuck, thank God.
You know what I mean? Like, we won because there was so much pressure on us.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Was there more pressure from that statement of wanting to win seven or just having Pat Riley around all the time, just like observing everything?

Speaker 1 Probably the godfather. Yeah.
So

Speaker 7 what's he like to work with? Because he seems like, I mean, a guy that he's got an enormous amount of respect from from a lot of guys that have played.

Speaker 1 The absolute greatest because you know where he stands at all times. There's no sugarcoat in anything.

Speaker 1 Like, in life, all you want to know is where you stand. And with him, it's easy.
He's got principles. And if you don't reach those things, you're out.
It doesn't matter who you are.

Speaker 1 So it's why he's able to create a culture that he's been able to create there. And all you want, like I said, is just, okay, where you stand, all right, cool.
I know how I got to do my job.

Speaker 1 I'll do my job. You'll appreciate it and you'll respect me for it.
Yeah. And he's the best at that.
Do you think he stole LeBron's cookies?

Speaker 1 Do you know that story? Yes. Okay.
And do you think he just told that story? Yeah, yeah. Do you think it happened?

Speaker 1 He might have stole his cookies. Yeah, I think he stole his cookies.

Speaker 7 It's disrespectful, honestly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't steal another man's cookies.

Speaker 7 I appreciate what Pat Riley's done for the sport, but at the end of the day,

Speaker 1 man-to-man,

Speaker 7 let him eat dessert.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you guys, when you guys were starting off with, did you know, was there a moment where you're like, oh, Spo, this guy can coach? Like, did it click?

Speaker 1 Because he was young, and there was definitely some conversations of like, oh, can he handle this?

Speaker 1 Should Pat Riley come back down?

Speaker 1 That whole thing. The one thing I love about Spo, I love about the organization is they let people be who they are.

Speaker 1 Spo. Well, I mean, they don't want to meet cookies, but yeah, okay, keep going.

Speaker 1 Outside of the cookies, they pretty much. No, but I'm saying, like, Spo had, they were so aligned that Spo could be who he wanted to be, right? He didn't have to be like someone that was for Pat.

Speaker 1 Like, they were so aligned in their journey and what they wanted to do.

Speaker 1 Spo, the thing that I respect about Spo is he was young, and people questioned him, obviously, at that age, getting that team about how he coached, and he did it his own, he did it his way, right?

Speaker 1 And he coached the way he wanted to coach, and was and was loud and proud about it, right?

Speaker 1 And so I knew at that point he was going to be just fine because the hardest thing those things is not is losing the locker room by being kind of soft, and he wasn't.

Speaker 1 He was as tough as he wanted to be.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm sure getting results that helps too, right?

Speaker 7 Like when it proves that he can win, that his way will lead you to winning basketball games. It's like, okay, yeah, I'll go where you tell me to go.

Speaker 1 And he was so dialed in and organized, like that gets respect out of basketball players that understand how to play and the preparation of things.

Speaker 1 Once you see him putting the time in, your respect goes up. And he put all the time in the world.
He was so organized and was so dialed into everything we did. So

Speaker 1 towards the end of your career, you played with the Nuggets. Yes.
What was your first impression of Jokic?

Speaker 1 I thought he was the best basketball player in the world. That's it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll give you a funny little story. I get traded from Cleveland to Portland.
At this time, I'm representing representing myself.

Speaker 1 I do a buyout from Portland, and I go to the Nuggets. I'm three days late for camp.
So I get there, and I'm sitting at the practice. I don't practice today, Coach Malone and the Cronkey family.

Speaker 1 Just tell me, Tim Conley, who's now with the Minnesota Timberwolves, so I just sit and watch this one. So I watched it.
And at the end of the practice, they asked me, what did you think?

Speaker 1 I said, I don't know who that fat, ugly kid is over there, but he's your best player and it's not even close. And is this rookie Yoko? This is Taco Bell rookie.
Wow.

Speaker 7 So what did everybody miss about him? if it was like obvious to you?

Speaker 1 I've never seen, I mean, obviously, listen,

Speaker 1 at that time, he had flaws, right? Like his body wasn't great.

Speaker 1 You know, he's not.

Speaker 1 If you look at his old combine stuff or hoop summit stuff, it's like, I don't jump high.

Speaker 1 I've never seen a young kid like the ball hit his hands like the Matrix. Like shit just stops.
Right. And the game's slow for him.
For all young kids, the game's super fast and out of control.

Speaker 1 And that's why they make so many mistakes and why veteran coaches don't play them. But the ball hit his hands and everyone got better.

Speaker 1 Like if you see guys that play in that system, ultimately, they get paid. Ultimately, they go do certain things and then they go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 It's him. It's a Matrix effect.
It's a Joker effect.

Speaker 7 Yeah. What was he like as a teammate?

Speaker 1 The best. Absolute best.
Yeah. Like, it's, it's, he didn't speak great English.
He was broken English. Um, but at the beginning, now it's just, but he's, he's fucking, he's hilarious.

Speaker 1 And his brothers are great, too. I mean, everyone talks about it.
They're the best. Yeah.
And Joker can do whatever he wants because he got those big guys behind him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, funny guys. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 7 Are you still a wild animal guy?

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 7 What do you own right now?

Speaker 1 I got a raccoon and a fox. You have a raccoon?

Speaker 7 Foxes, I can see. I've heard that you can domesticate foxes within two generations.
They'll be like your best friends.

Speaker 7 Raccoons are adorable. Did you see the meth raccoon the other day?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 It was a cop in Florida that was, they were arresting somebody. They go up to the

Speaker 7 door of the minivan, open it up, and there's a raccoon. Her pet raccoon is sitting there hitting a meth pipe in his adorable little paws.

Speaker 1 It's adorable little paws in the method.

Speaker 7 It was the most Florida story of all time.

Speaker 7 How did you become a crazy animal guy?

Speaker 1 My wife is just as crazy as I am. So

Speaker 1 we love animals. And so

Speaker 1 whenever one gets brought into the

Speaker 1 pet place or whatever, someone turns one in. The raccoon was two days old, three days old or whatever.
Got turned in, and the vet will call us and say, we got this. And of course, we'll take it on.

Speaker 1 We'll do it. We're idiots.

Speaker 7 What are their names?

Speaker 1 So Coco is a raccoon, and Roxy is the fox. My daughter named him.
So no more monkeys. No more monkeys, no.

Speaker 7 Children lesson? Yeah, the monkey pets.

Speaker 1 No, that was awesome. I love that pet.
What happened with that? I murdered every one of my friends, period. What happened with the monkeys at the end? They just...

Speaker 1 You got yelled at by your neighbors for helping me. I got caught by a lot of stuff.
Yeah, riding the dogs. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But at the end, yeah. So, yeah, me and my wife went out and we put Sonny up in her room.
We had two great Danes at the time.

Speaker 1 Sonny came down, let the two great Danes in, and then opened the front door. And we're at dinner and

Speaker 1 we got calls from the neighborhood. H-O-A, like,

Speaker 1 your your monkey's riding your dogs around the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 at the end of it,

Speaker 1 we had our oldest son at the time, and the sonny, the monkey, was getting very, very attached to us. And so it was the best that we gave it away at the time.

Speaker 1 But he was literally like, honestly, and I mean this sincerely, like, I had three friends living with me at the time.

Speaker 1 Better IQ than all three of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'll go get you a beer.

Speaker 7 What's that like raising a monkey? Because they're so smart. Like the great thing about raising some dogs,

Speaker 7 I like big, dumb dogs.

Speaker 7 And as a Great Dane guy, you know how they can be some dogs. They're easy to trick.
But with a monkey, you can't trick them up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're not tricking them at all.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they're super fast, and

Speaker 1 you can't keep up with them. Like he'd jump in the aquarium.

Speaker 1 It was nuts. It was fun, though.
But yeah, like I said, they're smarter than most of my friends. It was wild.

Speaker 7 Is he actually riding the dogs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, ride the Great Dane all the time. Like, he sit on him, like, it's unbelievable.
That's incredible.

Speaker 1 I got to send video. I have, I have video off.
That's so funny. What, uh, outside of LeBron,

Speaker 1 actually, outside of LeBron, Wade, Bosch, those heat teams, who is the best player you played with? You had a lot of teammates. Joker.
Joker, that's it? Joker.

Speaker 1 I think Joker, if Joker does this early, I think Joker goes down as one of the best players of all time. Yeah.
Not the best. Yeah.
You also played with eight other mics. Can you name them all?

Speaker 1 Mike Bibby. Okay, that's one.
Did I play with Mike Bibby? Yeah. Yeah, you played with Mike Bibby.

Speaker 1 Mike Conley. Yep.

Speaker 7 This is where it's going to get tough.

Speaker 1 I played so many teams. Yeah.
So bad they just kicked me out everywhere. You had two on the Wizards.

Speaker 1 Two on the Wizards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 These are tough names. Who is it? Mike Harris and Mike James.
Oh, Mike James, yeah. Yeah.
And then you had Mike Batiste. Oh, Mike Batiste.

Speaker 1 I guess it was seven because Mikkel Gladness, he's not a Mike. No, he's not.
And then Michael Doliak. Oh, Michael Big Doley.
That was good. Yeah.
And then oh, Michael Dickerson. Oh, Michael Dickerson.

Speaker 1 He had a lot of mics. Michael Dickerson was good, but when a Mike would come in, were you like, hey, I'm the Mike? Yeah, yeah.
Come on. What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 So what are we calling this guy here? Yeah, right. He'd be Mike.
And I'm Mike.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You were talking about the Wizards being a wild time in your career. What is it about the Wizards that it felt like that was a very chaotic point?

Speaker 1 Well, that was the year that Gil brought the guns in. Oh, so yeah, we just had him on.
We had him on.

Speaker 1 Oh, I got to watch that story.

Speaker 1 Did he tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Speaker 7 Well, we don't know.

Speaker 7 He told his truth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I wasn't there, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 Were you in the locker room? Yes, I was. Okay.
He tells his truth.

Speaker 1 What did he say?

Speaker 1 I love Gil, by the way.

Speaker 7 He said

Speaker 7 he brought in two guns and then put a tag on it that said pick one. Pick one, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was more than two, but pick one was definitely there.

Speaker 7 And he said that his gun was never loaded. Okay.
And that

Speaker 7 Crittenden's gun might have been loaded. Yeah.
And that the reason why

Speaker 7 Crittenden got the big punishment that he got was because Gilbert Arenas had been technically trafficking guns and weapons across the country from Arizona whenever he'd fly back.

Speaker 7 So they asked him, Have you ever brought this on a team plane? And he had a bunch of guns that he was flying back to D.C. with.
And in D.C., you're not allowed to have any guns.

Speaker 7 It's like it's a felony if you get caught with a handgun in D.C. So he says that

Speaker 7 he kind of had to get this big punishment because he was trafficking weapons. That was his explanation.

Speaker 1 Your thoughts?

Speaker 1 That part I know nothing about. That's news to me there.

Speaker 1 The story of him bringing the guns in, saying pick one, 100% true. Okay.
100%. So were you sitting in the locker room?

Speaker 1 I was literally on the taping table getting ready. Javaris walked in.

Speaker 1 They had a little beef on the airplane about cards. Don't have practice the next day.
Following day, they come in.

Speaker 1 JC comes in. I said, hey, Javaris, no matter what happens, man, like, leave it.
I think it's over, but leave it. You know what I mean? Like, you're not winning this one.
It's Gil. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, it's a franchise dude, right? Like, you're not winning this one.

Speaker 1 Gil walks in.

Speaker 1 I think it's more than two, but it's two. We'll go two today.
Yeah. He puts them on it.
He puts it on Javaris's chair. I'm looking dead at it and writes a note and says, pick one.

Speaker 1 And I see Javaris come out of the cold toilet. I say, hey, man, leave that shit alone, bro.
Yeah. And then it went sideways.
Yeah. Did you leave the

Speaker 1 exit step? Yeah. You got to get out of there.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to see see the ending of that one that's crazy yeah because i w i watched the netflix uh the the documentary about it yeah was gilbert like my biggest takeaway from all of it is like gilbert arenas loved to fuck with people and he kind of didn't know where the line was yeah yeah he was a he was definitely a a line stepper yeah for sure um you know and and if you know who he is like you laugh about it but there's like that's a little bit over the line right right yeah yeah especially when you're telling a guy to pick one right and i think i think javara said something like yo i don't need one i got my own right that's what it said and that's where i left yeah but yeah yeah he liked to play with people and gil gil was an awesome teammate yeah but yeah he he liked to push it yes and when you know he got on your nerves it was like yeah i got you bro yeah i heard that the sean stevenson had an atm in his house he did so that when people would come over to party for various reasons why you might need an atm what do you think i need it for yeah he had he had an atm in his house what was the what was the service charge on that when you were speaking off you know what i'm sure it's quite a bit but i i never i never i was never invited those ones i don't know i would imagine it was like twenty dollars bro twenty dollar service service charge.

Speaker 7 That makes sense, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1 Make money any way you can. How were you at cards on the plane? I didn't play cards.
You didn't? No. You never got into any of the games?

Speaker 1 I watch those guys play Bu-ray all the time, but I didn't play. Why not? It's fun.

Speaker 1 You know what? I just never did. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know.
But I used to tell all the young kids that they're like, yo, like, who doesn't fit at that table?

Speaker 1 I used to get Mario Chalmers. I used to wear him out, bro.
I'm like, you got Bron D-Wade, Juwan Howard, who's played 864 years,

Speaker 1 Ray Allen, and you as a a really second-year guy in the league.

Speaker 1 Juan's nickname was really like 17. He was a 17-year in the league, like, and made hundreds and hundreds of.
And you got you, Rio, playing boo.

Speaker 1 And you're getting booed all the time. Like, I'll never forget it.
Sharp Lewis, who made quabillion dollars too, man, was awesome.

Speaker 1 Like, literally, picked up a check from Rio and went and bought a truck from him and drove by Rio the next day. I was like, yo, thanks for the whip.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's some serious stuff. That's incredible.

Speaker 7 So, getting into the league as a rookie, I'm sure you can provide some insight to the players that you represent, too, now.

Speaker 7 Like the transition between being a college star and then what you expect when you get into the league. Were you nervous before your first game?

Speaker 7 Were you wondering if you could fit in there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you're always like, listen, every time when you go from high school to college, whatever it is, whenever you're leveling up on anything, like there's that anticipation of, yes, I know I put the time and the effort and the work in, but now how is it going to carry over?

Speaker 1 Because you've seen this on TV and you've seen all these guys. And when I stepped on the floor, it's a little bit different now, but it's obviously still the same.
But the league was old, man.

Speaker 1 My teammates were like Pat Ewen and Sean Kemp. And

Speaker 1 guys that are like now you're getting four rookies every year.

Speaker 1 So I've seen these guys since I was 13, 12, 11, 9 years old on TV. You know what I mean? So you're like, you're stepping out.
Like, oh, shit, this is real. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And so you're always that anxiety, that nervousness. You know, you put the work in, but now I got to go show it on this stage.
And

Speaker 1 it's definitely an unbelievable feeling, but there's some nerve-wracking shit to it for sure. Yeah, yeah.
What's the best game you ever played?

Speaker 1 Just because of the outcome, it's the 7-3s and where I was at in the game six against OKC. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just because where I was at mentally and physically at that point.

Speaker 1 I mean, just playing in the games, probably

Speaker 1 45 against Golden State, if you're looking at those. Oh,

Speaker 1 that probably felt good. Yeah.
But, you know, just

Speaker 1 the stage and

Speaker 1 what I was able to do on the NBA Finals was,

Speaker 1 it just takes a cake. It just has to.
Yeah, especially like winning the finals. You don't want to be someone who'sn't

Speaker 1 participating, and then you have that game where you go, you went seven for eight, right?

Speaker 1 Which one did you miss? Did you

Speaker 1 miss it? No, yeah, I missed one in the second half, which I shouldn't have missed.

Speaker 1 I had plenty of time to make it. I don't know why I missed it, but missed it.
That's got to be such an awesome feeling. Did you tell everyone in in the huddle, like, hey, just keep, like, I got this

Speaker 1 zone? No.

Speaker 1 I just, I was just thankful to be out there because my back was so jacked up at that time, I didn't even, you know, I was just, I was just happy to be a part of the game, really, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 What's it like being in the zone?

Speaker 1 The best. It's the greatest feeling ever.
Like, I had a stretch, I think, I don't know if it's what it was, but I had like three or four games where we were made nine threes at each game.

Speaker 1 And it's hit that rhythm going. It's like anything else, man.
You just, you just, like, anytime you shoot, you think it's going in.

Speaker 7 Do you just keep the same routine day to day? It's like whatever I'm doing right now, I'm not. sure.

Speaker 1 I'm doing the same thing. Everything.

Speaker 1 What I ate, to what I showed up in, yeah. I can't shower.
Exactly. I got good sweat on me right now.

Speaker 7 That's kind of

Speaker 1 funny.

Speaker 1 Exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Have you ever

Speaker 7 shown up at like a men's run, like a pickup game, and not said, hey, I'm Mike, and just kind of blended in for a little bit and then got out there and just punished everybody?

Speaker 1 No, but I'm about to because I'm getting to that age now where Lifetime Fitness got my name on it. Like I got to go

Speaker 1 get some runs in.

Speaker 7 That would be the best feeling ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like somebody here. What days are we running here? Fridays.
Every Friday? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be fun.

Speaker 1 I mean, it wouldn't be fun for us. I'd like to be live streaming.
Are we live streaming? Are we live streaming? We can. I'd live with you.

Speaker 1 You're live with us? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 I'd be in your shirt.

Speaker 7 I'd be in your chest like bronchitis.

Speaker 1 You would get fouled harder.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not doing this thing.

Speaker 1 I do not want to be a part of this. Absolutely.
Yeah. Do you still, like, if you said you can't do it anymore, but like...

Speaker 1 The Memphis video, you were cooking those guys. Could you still, like, what level of college basketball could you still take everyone on the team?

Speaker 1 Or conference? I mean,

Speaker 1 if you're putting me in a mid-major situation,

Speaker 1 we're going to have to have some ground rules, right? It's going to have to be like three-dribble. Like, I'm not going to be chasing these dudes around now.
Right.

Speaker 1 You know, if you do three dribble, make it, take it type stuff, I feel good. Yeah.
I feel good about most levels.

Speaker 1 The athlete side gets me a little nervous because I know I'm going to play off my jumper a lot now. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Is there anybody in the game right now that that reminds you of of you

Speaker 1 good question

Speaker 1 hmm steph curry no steph was so fucking good gosh damn um i don't know i don't know they don't make him like you anymore yeah that's a fact jack goalkeeper you remember

Speaker 1 what a what a story that was huh yeah yeah he was the man

Speaker 1 he is the man where's he at now i think he was playing in the detroit G League, I want to say.

Speaker 1 He came in the office and hung out with us after.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he watched some games the Sweet 16 weekend after they got bounced. Yeah, I mean, we just

Speaker 1 basically just sit around and watch you guys play basketball all the time. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 It's a pretty good life.

Speaker 1 All right, I got one last question.

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Speaker 1 So we started, we were talking about Lyft, you being an agent, basketball, media, everything.

Speaker 1 Is there anyone on your team that you want to shout out, like

Speaker 1 anyone who like played at Providence or anything? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did he play there? Yeah, he did play there. How many years?

Speaker 1 Four, all four.

Speaker 1 Did he score at all or no? Yeah, he was a scorer. Yeah, he tells me all these stories.
I got to see footage. Yeah, we're talking about Donnie McGrath.

Speaker 1 He didn't score in the TBT final when we needed him to score.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about that, though. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 We always give him his flowers, and Donnie thinks he's a big guy right now.

Speaker 1 It is what it is.

Speaker 1 Hey, did you see Donnie partying with Team USA? Yeah, after Paris.

Speaker 1 It was like Tatum, LeBron, all these guys coming out of the club, and then it's Donnie McGrath.

Speaker 1 The guy absolutely shows up everywhere about the second half of the TBT Championship. Yeah, that's a fact.
We were counting our money. It was a problem.
We were counting our money.

Speaker 1 I would have loved to see that movie showing. Oh, man, it was bad.
It was bad.

Speaker 1 I don't want to point fingers.

Speaker 1 I don't think Donnie had his best night shooting.

Speaker 1 Andre Barrett did get his pocket pick like five times in a row.

Speaker 1 Josh Boone didn't feel like he really wanted to be there. It was a bad scene.
It was a bad scene. How much would y'all have won?

Speaker 1 I think the players would have won. Well, technically I was a player.
I think it was like

Speaker 1 50 grand each, and then maybe Dave and I were going to win 25 grand each, and we were going to spend it all on the club that night. And Dave had it all set up.

Speaker 1 That should have been motivation enough for El McGrath.

Speaker 7 He thrives in those situations.

Speaker 1 It should have been there, yeah. And

Speaker 1 it was a bad scene. Yeah, we choked.

Speaker 7 Did you get any points?

Speaker 1 I did not get any.

Speaker 1 I scored in the tournament. That's good.
I scored I think four points in the tournament.

Speaker 1 That was in a blowout game in the second round.

Speaker 1 They put us in. But yeah,

Speaker 1 I did not get any minutes in the final game when that much money was at stake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so seriously, though, on the agency thing,

Speaker 1 what's the next step? Like, are you just

Speaker 1 what's the process of getting guys

Speaker 1 into your how are how are you differentiating? How are you like, hey, like, Paulo was probably a huge step for you, guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, like, what's, how do you convince someone like that you're the person that they should be entrusting? Well, I think at the end of the day, you just, you do it through track record, right?

Speaker 1 You know, the fact that I played 17 years and lived through it, when we first started Lyft, it was about building something that these other agencies be like these other agencies, but be basketball-led and be different like that, right?

Speaker 1 That they can't be like us, but we can be like them. And we continue to do that.

Speaker 1 So, we continue to build infrastructure and invest in our infrastructure, build out people, build like a basketball team, star in your roles, mark between marketing, servicing, all those things, but be basketball-led.

Speaker 1 Because at the end of the day, how good you are at basketball makes everyone else's job easier, right? So, like, the way we differentiate ourselves is that we're basketball-driven.

Speaker 1 And so, we do it through our track record. Obviously, Paolo

Speaker 1 has a lot of credit for starting this for us because getting him going number one and now seeing where he's at and be able to do his contracts.

Speaker 1 So, you start seeing that we're capable of these things and seeing what we do and how we service them. But, you know, for us, it's just continue to build this thing and

Speaker 1 be a big player in this game. Yeah.
All right. That's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sounds good yeah well mike thank you so much appreciate you guys big fans yeah and uh anytime you're in the city need a court or you need us to cast up one of your players yeah only one favor i have is i need my uh my pardon my take uh south dakota's best athlete yes award we will make a plaque thank you

Speaker 1 yeah we will put a plaque in this in this studio i appreciate that that means a lot to me the mike miller corner and then but just so you know

Speaker 1 If there is, like, if someone awesome comes out of South Dakota, it is up for

Speaker 1 100%. We'll vote on a lifetime.

Speaker 7 We'll vote on it every year just to make sure it's stuff.

Speaker 1 All right, still Mike? Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, guys. Thanks, Mike.
Yeah, thanks.

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Speaker 7 And now here's our very good friend, Randy Moss.

Speaker 13 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests, very, very, very special guests. It is Randy Moss, ahead of the preakness this weekend.
And unfortunately, it's a bummer of a preakness.

Speaker 1 And we want to start with that, Randy. Sovereignty, who won the Kentucky Derby incredible race, will not be racing at Pimlico on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Like, this sucks for horse racing, Randy. And I don't know if you have a spin on it or what exactly happened, but this sucks.
How did this happen? Why did this happen?

Speaker 1 And how can we stop this from happening?

Speaker 13 Well, you and I have talked about this before in the past. The horse is fine.
The horse is actually in great shape.

Speaker 13 But trainer Bill Mott, the owners, Godolphin, don't want to run the horse back in two weeks.

Speaker 13 After the Kentucky Derby, which is the ultimate stress test for racehorses, they feel like that the horse needs more time to recuperate.

Speaker 13 for safety reasons, for the horse's health and well-being, and also for performance reasons, because they think the horse will run better with more time in between races.

Speaker 13 It's a very familiar mantra right now.

Speaker 13 If the trainer were Todd Pletcher, we'd be seeing the same thing, in my opinion. If it were Brad Cox, we'd be saying the same thing.

Speaker 13 It's going to happen more and more frequently in the future until such time as the Triple Crown races. become further apart on the calendar.

Speaker 7 So do you think that that's the primary factor, or do you think that the financial implications have something to do with it? Where it's like your horse won the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 7 That's a massive, massive thing for breeding into the future. Is there just downside now to running again, maybe not performing as well, and just trying to maximize the value of the racehorse?

Speaker 13 It's totally the calendar. Totally the calendar.
But they're going to run him in the Belmont States. And after the Belmont Stakes, they'll probably point him for the Travers.

Speaker 13 And after the Travers, they'll get another race and point him for the Breeders Classic. You know, so he'll run more, you know, more this year as a three-year-old.

Speaker 13 yes his value is improved after the kentucky derby

Speaker 13 but the preakness is a classic the preakness is in a american tradition in the sport there is plenty of value to a horse in winning the preakness stakes even a horse that just won the kentucky derby uh but they think it is counterproductive to bring him back in just two weeks look Back in the heyday of the Triple Crown, okay, in the 40s, 50s, 60s, there was no problem running these horses back in two weeks.

Speaker 13 And as a matter of fact, there were a couple of preakness winners, 1959 and 1960. Okay, they finished second in the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 13 Then they come back two weeks later and they win the preakness with the race in between,

Speaker 13 with the race on Monday of Preakness week called the Preakness Prep.

Speaker 13 So back then, it was normal, for example, for horses, the one, two, three finishers in the Kentucky Derby, to all come back and run in the freakness.

Speaker 13 Sometimes one, two, three, four, five in the Derby would all come back and run in the freakness. Now you almost never see that.
And it's really cheapened the Triple Crown as a whole

Speaker 13 because that's the way horses are trained nowadays. And that's why the schedule needs to be adjusted.
And I think it will, not immediately, not next year. but maybe two or three years down the line.

Speaker 13 I think that's probably what you're going to see.

Speaker 1 So this isn't new to the rest of sports. This is something that we complain about all the time, whether it be NBA load management, whether it be

Speaker 1 major league baseball, pitchers, you know, only pitching six innings and getting polled earlier than they used to and not going over 100 pitches.

Speaker 1 So you think the solution and what will happen is the calendar will change, not potentially a, like the NBA, for example, where they made it, hey, you have to play this many games to be eligible for the postseason awards.

Speaker 1 Is there any chance they're like, hey, if you run the Kentucky Derby, you have to, unless there's an injury, you have to run the preakness if you win the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 1 Or is that kind of like, hey, that's going to open up a can of worms of health of the horse. It's going to be the calendar changing instead.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's going to open up a can of worms.

Speaker 13 What you're referring to, like the load management thing and the baseball innings pitched and things like that, you know, that's the performance issue.

Speaker 13 And there's part of that going on in thoroughbred racing, right?

Speaker 13 Todd Pletcher, for example, one of the best trainers in the business,

Speaker 13 he runs horses back nowadays on two weeks rest or less, four-tenths of 1%

Speaker 13 of the time. And the reason why,

Speaker 13 it's health of the horse, but also he has a 21% win percentage overall. When he runs horses back in two weeks or less, 5%.

Speaker 13 Same thing with Bill Mott. Almost exactly the same statistics with Bill Mott, the trainer of sovereignty.

Speaker 13 But it's primarily,

Speaker 13 the problem here is

Speaker 13 it's performance-based. It's also horse safety because they've done plenty of studies that show that horses are

Speaker 13 less inclined to become injured with more time in between races to recuperate. And let's face it, the Kentucky Derby is the ultimate stress test.

Speaker 13 in horse racing for three-year-olds. But, you know,

Speaker 13 it's the health of the Triple Crown as a whole, really, is the bottom line. And the sport is not what it used to be.
Everybody knows that, but it still has the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown is still

Speaker 13 a huge event. It's by far the most important thing horse racing has, the Triple Crown and the Breeders' Cup.
And it's been cheapened because

Speaker 13 all the good horses that run in the Derby that used to come back and run in the freakness

Speaker 13 doesn't really happen nearly as often anymore. And now you're seeing the Derby winners start to skip the freakness.
Something's got to be done.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it really is like, I love horse racing, and

Speaker 1 I understand the dilemma here, because you don't want to have breakdowns and horses get injured, because that is bad for the sport.

Speaker 1 But the triple crown means something, and it's supposed to be really hard.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of why it's special if you get a horse winning the Kentucky Derby and the preakness, and then the Belmont becomes a huge, huge event.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like last year when we talked about Flightline, one of my favorite horses I've ever seen run, and I got to see Flightline in person.

Speaker 1 Flightline was incredible, ran, what, five races, six races, and then was studded. Like, that's the best athletes in this sport don't run enough, so it stinks.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, you love horse racing. There's nothing bigger in sports in general than rivalries.
Okay.

Speaker 13 And we used to see when the horse, when the same horses that ran one, two, three in the Derby come back and run in the Preakness and then come back. sometimes and run in the Belmont.

Speaker 13 You get these rivalries like Affirmed and Aladar and Easy Goer and Sunday Silence and Ali Sheba and Bet Twice.

Speaker 13 And it really captures the public's imagination to see these horses run against each other throughout the Triple Crown, which is what the Triple Crown is supposed to be all about.

Speaker 13 Now, in 2025, 2026, if Affirmed and Aladar run one, two in the Kentucky Derby, Aladar skips the preakness and waits for the Belmont. Easy Goer skips the preakness and waits for the Belmont.

Speaker 13 Bet twice, same thing. You lose the rivalry aspect of it, which is one of the things that has made the Triple Crown so great historically.

Speaker 7 Has anybody checked with the horses to see if they want to run?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 7 is this like a bad week?

Speaker 7 You think that maybe

Speaker 7 sovereignty is like, hey, I want to get out there and compete. That's the mark of a champion.
Do some horses get uneasy if they don't race?

Speaker 13 It would be really nice if horses could talk and tell us that.

Speaker 13 Yeah, they try to with the way they act and all that. Which is part of the reason why trainers don't like to run them back in two weeks.
They think that the horses,

Speaker 13 after such a race like the Kentucky Derby, you know, they try to, they think what they're seeing in the horse, the horse is trying to tell them that they run better, that they like it better when they're given a little extra time in between races to bounce back.

Speaker 7 There was a report out there that maybe Sovereignty got fat and that he got complacent, and that's why he didn't want to race in this.

Speaker 1 Have you heard anything about that?

Speaker 7 Like, is he too fat for the prigness?

Speaker 13 He started reading his press clippings, huh? No, no, no, no, no. I don't need to run back in two weeks.

Speaker 13 There are some horses here. Journalism finished second in Kentucky Derby.
Sandman was the second choice. They were the top two favorites in the Derby.
They're both coming back in the preakness.

Speaker 13 This is, you can't see him now. That's Sandman's stall.
I think he's out maybe walking around here.

Speaker 7 Sandman is a beautiful horse. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Sandman is a beautiful horse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think, by the way, the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 13 Hang on just a second. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We got Sand's one.

Speaker 13 Oh, nice. I just got waved in.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good. There he is.

Speaker 1 See, that's a great-looking horse.

Speaker 7 That is a great horse.

Speaker 1 Thick.

Speaker 1 Look at that. That is Sandman.
Sturdy.

Speaker 7 That is a great, great horse.

Speaker 1 Can you boop a horse? Do you ever boop horses?

Speaker 7 Not me.

Speaker 13 Okay. All right.

Speaker 13 Stall 26. There you go.

Speaker 7 And good luck, Sandman. Sandman.

Speaker 3 Sandman, I'm going to bet on this.

Speaker 7 These cards, Sandman.

Speaker 13 This is called a jolly ball.

Speaker 1 Oh, what do they do?

Speaker 13 Horses get bored sometimes and they

Speaker 13 like a little activity, you know.

Speaker 1 So that's the ultimate thing.

Speaker 13 They'll bounce around that jolly ball a little bit and have fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the horses are like the ultimate dudes. If you just like, if I had a tennis ball right now and I started tossing myself, eventually PFT would be like, yo, throw that to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Just toss it against the wall for a little bit. Yeah.
Make up a game with it. Thank you, by the way.

Speaker 13 I love it.

Speaker 1 Last question about the Kentucky Derby, and then we want to talk picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 I know this doesn't count for anything, but I did bet Baeza in the Kentucky Derby. Do you think if the Kentucky Derby was, let's say,

Speaker 1 100 yards longer, Baeza would have won?

Speaker 13 I think he would have run second.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. That doesn't help.

Speaker 1 I've been convincing myself that. I'm like, I made the right pick.
He just ran out of time. He also kind of ran sideways at the end.

Speaker 13 You know,

Speaker 13 the great thing about the Kentucky Derby this year is that despite the racetrack, despite the sloppy track and all the rain and all that, it was an incredibly formful race and easy to predict i mean we talked about it but i thought journalism byeza sovereignty maybe sandman fourth maybe final gambit is a big long shot i think we talked about that you know it was really predictable exactly what was going to happen and it wouldn't it be nice to see the top three all back here

Speaker 7 with vaeza as well to run in the preakness but it's a pretty good race despite that yeah it would be you did you did win us money and you did a great job on the uh on the broadcast as well is is mike to rico okay i was

Speaker 7 i was upset that he that he had to leave. leave I'm sure it was probably for

Speaker 7 some good reason if he was sick or whatever. Is he doing okay now?

Speaker 13 He's doing very well. I just saw him about five minutes ago.

Speaker 13 He suffers from, like a lot of people, from a pretty significant nut allergy.

Speaker 13 And he ate something, he doesn't even know what, about a half hour, just snacking about a half hour before he was scheduled to come on at 2.30 p.m.

Speaker 13 And he began having a pretty serious allergic reaction. I can tell as soon as he sat down next to me that something was off, something was wrong.
He's normally real, you know, outgoing and buoyant and

Speaker 13 positive. And let's go, let's go.
And he was like very serious, like he was upset. And then you could tell as he got into the first couple of segments that he was really, really struggling.

Speaker 13 And that's a scary thing if you've known anybody that has a nut allergy. Yeah.

Speaker 13 You don't know which direction it's going to go. It can be pretty bad.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Keep your nuts away from Mike Tarico.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's let's talk about the races.
Let's talk about Friday, which you can watch Randy on Friday, the Black-Eyed Susan.

Speaker 1 Do you have any, besides the Black-Eyed Susan, do you have any picks on Friday or races that you're looking forward to?

Speaker 1 And then also, what do you have for the Black-Eyed Susan?

Speaker 13 Nothing on the Friday under card that I really like that much. Black-eyed Susan.

Speaker 13 There's a horse in there called Margie's Intention.

Speaker 13 It's not,

Speaker 13 honestly, it's not a really good black-eyed Susan.

Speaker 13 In fact, it's one one of the worst black-eyed Susans that I've seen in a long time in terms of quality, because, again, it won't sound like a broken record, but the Kentucky Oaks horses, the horsemen don't want to come back and run in two weeks.

Speaker 13 So it's a pretty weak field, but Margie's intention, trained by Brad Cox,

Speaker 13 three to one, seven to two, something like that, I think. And to me, she looks like she's kind of solidly the best horse on paper in there.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, good.

Speaker 7 And anything else on Saturday?

Speaker 13 Yeah, there's a couple of horses on Saturday if you guys have any money left after I after I busted you at the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 7 Well, we hit one of the oaks, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, and you did, you did kind of predict, like, if you do an exotic in the Kentucky Derby, you, you, you had the horses.

Speaker 13 I was okay with the Kentucky Derby. It's just the undercard races.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna blame the off racetrack and the soft turf. How about that? That's fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's absolutely fair.

Speaker 13 It's probably not accurate, but at least it's fair. So we're going to get a ton of rain, as you guys pointed out um

Speaker 13 or maybe that was before we started uh the the forecast is terrible uh for the rest of the week maybe saturday might be okay but the turf course is going to be really soft

Speaker 13 and the racetrack is probably going to be muddy um and there's a horse in the gallarette by the name of three havannas the galleret i think is the first race we do on,

Speaker 13 I think it's USA or maybe it's CNVC when we come on the air on Saturday. I think it's the seventh race on the card.
Phillies and Mayors on the turf. It'll be soft turf.

Speaker 13 There's a Philly, Three Havanas, who comes from Germany.

Speaker 13 She's never run in the U.S. before.
And in Europe, they run horses on soft turf a lot more regularly than they do in the United States. And they typically have an edge coming over here on soft turf.

Speaker 13 So I think three Havanas is a pretty good play. And then there's a horse in the race right before

Speaker 13 the Breakness. It's a race called the Dinner Party.
It used to be called the Dixie until political correctness caused Pimlico to change the name of the race.

Speaker 13 So the Dinner Party, there's a horse in the race named Neat. Just one word, Neat.

Speaker 13 And he is a pretty neat horse, but he had a horrible ride in his last start. They changed jockeys.
He's a pretty nice horse anyway. He only got to beat two links, despite the horrible ride.

Speaker 13 He's eight to one in the program. And they,

Speaker 13 they,

Speaker 13 you know, it's not that it's not a super tough field. And so I think needs a pretty good play at that price.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And then the preakness.

Speaker 13 The preakness, look, journalism is the horse to beat. No doubt about it, right? If all things being equal, journalism is the fastest horse in the race.
He ran a really good race in the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 13 He just got outrun by sovereignty. He was a strong second.

Speaker 13 But all things aren't equal because journalism has had two or three really tough races in a row now, including the Derby, which was a really tough race. And he comes back in just two weeks.

Speaker 13 Usually, in those situations, the horses might still run well,

Speaker 13 but probably usually not quite as well as they did in the Kentucky Derby. And there's another horse in the race called Clever Again, trained by Steve Asmussen.

Speaker 13 who might be the third favorite, maybe the fourth favorite. Who knows?

Speaker 13 But he's got speed. He's coming off a really strong race.
He's had plenty of rest. He didn't run in the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 13 And, you know, he might be a good play, I think, to take a shot against journalism on the theory that even though journalism is the best horse,

Speaker 13 that he might not perform quite as well in the breakness as he did in the Derby.

Speaker 7 Okay, so journalism and clever again, those would be your two picks. Yes.
All right. Anybody else that we should sprinkle in if we're looking at a trifecta?

Speaker 13 Well, let's see. There's a horse called River Thames, trained by Todd Pletcher, who did not run in the Kentucky Derby simply because they wanted to wait and save him for the break mistakes.

Speaker 13 He's not really a mile and a quarter type horse. He was only beaten three quarters of a length by sovereignty when he ran in the Fountain of Youth a couple of races back.
So he's a pretty nice horse.

Speaker 13 And there's a horse that you, as a long shot, you might want to throw into your Xactas and your supers. His name is Heart of Honor.

Speaker 13 He came from England by way of the UAE Derby.

Speaker 13 He's the kind of horse that he's probably not good enough to run first or second, but he's going to come from behind. He's going to be finishing decently.

Speaker 13 And that's oftentimes the recipe for a long shot to kind of sneak up into the top three or four at the end as some of the speed horses start to fade out.

Speaker 7 Okay, so despite the fact that Sandman is a beautiful horse, as we've just seen, you're not putting him in anything.

Speaker 13 I'm not really high on Sandman just because I didn't like his Kentucky Derby, really. He was right next to Sovereignty when they ran into the second turn.

Speaker 13 Everything looked like it was perfect for him. And then Sovereignty just left him behind.
I mean,

Speaker 13 he was probably side by side with Sovereignty going into the turn and maybe seven links behind him when they turned for home.

Speaker 7 Counterpoint, though, he looks locked in.

Speaker 7 He looks locked in right now. He's facing the corner.

Speaker 7 Remember when Michael Phelps raced in the Olympics when they saw him and he was like, you know, just dialed in next to the pool before he went out? That's what Sandman reminds me of right now.

Speaker 7 Just all the way to the bottom.

Speaker 13 Let's take one more look at him there. There he is.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's playing with the ball.

Speaker 13 Hey, Sandman.

Speaker 7 Sandman, you locked in, buddy?

Speaker 1 He's locked in. That horse is dialed in.

Speaker 13 His ears just moved when you asked him that question. That's a good sign.

Speaker 1 He's locked in.

Speaker 1 I have a dumb question, Randy. When they travel with the horses from Louisville to Baltimore for

Speaker 1 the preakness, you know, when I do a road trip, I stop, I get snacks, get some pretzels, get some candy.

Speaker 1 Do they do any special snacks for the horses when they like take a, you know, like if whoever's driving the car has to take out take a piss, do they like, hey, horse, here's a special

Speaker 1 snack for the road trip.

Speaker 1 Combos? I don't know.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 13 I know they have a hay rack for the horses, you know, to munch on and all that

Speaker 13 while they're on the road, while they're in the van, and they got plenty of water to drink, keep them from being dehydrated and all that.

Speaker 13 And if they do have to stop and take a piss or maybe go through the McDonald's drive-through window or something like that, I'm sure they go back there and check on the horse.

Speaker 13 That's really for longer van trips than just Louisville to Baltimore.

Speaker 13 But I mean, there have been plenty of situations where, you know, they've had to pull over and go to find a parking lot somewhere and take a break and check on the horse and everything.

Speaker 13 Yeah, pretty interesting.

Speaker 7 When we're talking about the German and the Japanese horses, do they ever fly? Has anybody ever flown a horse? Is that even possible?

Speaker 13 Fly horses? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do it all the time. They fly the horses.

Speaker 7 I just assume that you put them on a boat.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 13 There's airlines that were dedicated strictly to flying racehorses around the world and around the country. Now they FedEx the horses.

Speaker 1 They put a shipping label on them?

Speaker 13 Seriously, they FedEx horses.

Speaker 13 There used to be a company called flying tiger that specialized in transporting livestock animals zoo animals back and forth uh racehorses you name it circus animals uh and fedex bought flying tiger and now fedex is in the business of occasionally transporting animals and when they ship a horse from california to the kentucky derby uh they often fedex them Do you know if the horses have a window that they can look out of?

Speaker 7 Because I imagine that would be very confusing.

Speaker 13 Horses do not have a window. They hollow out the entire, obviously inside.
They put stalls in there. You can actually fly

Speaker 13 up to, I think, 15 horses maybe on a plane.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 yeah, that's party. That's incredible.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And they have handlers in there with them, back flying with the horses to watch them and take care of them and calm them down if there's any turbulence and make sure that the horses are okay.

Speaker 13 You know, the stalls are very small,

Speaker 13 so they can't, you know, be knocked around if there's any turbulence or anything. But horses generally handle that air travel

Speaker 13 very, very well. You'd be surprised.

Speaker 7 Wow. Has a horse ever been put on a no-fly list if they acted up on the playlist, like they get nervous when they're flying?

Speaker 13 Yeah, horses from the Middle East, maybe, get put on the no-fly list.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no-fly list. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Randy, I got one last question for you. It's a Roback question.
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Speaker 1 Roback.com, promo code TAKE. I've done a terrible job in the nine years that we've known you.
I have not introduced you correctly. Really? I didn't, well, you're a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 You're in the Horse Racing Hall of Fame. So I have a couple questions.
Is that, you are, right? No. No, I'm not in the Horse Racing Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 All right, well, I saw an interview that someone did and they called you a Hall of Famer. You should be, all right, fine.
You should be in the Horse Racing Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 What do we have to do to get you in the Horse Racing Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 And then once you're in the Horse racing hall of fame what is it like instead of a gold jacket is like in a gold golden saddle what it what how does it work uh the horse racing hall of fame is in saratoga springs

Speaker 13 it's almost right across the street from saratoga race course fantastic place if you ever want to visit and i think they do have a wing like a media wing right i think joe hirsh media roll of honor or something like that and say i have some people that i know really well that deserve to be in the hall of fame or in that particular wing of the hall of fame i don't know if that's ever something that i'll be in but um yeah it would be it would be kind of cool i guess you need to be in i yeah see i looked up like i you know whenever we have a guest on i'll just see like if there's any recent stories and you did a baltimore positive podcast a day ago uh or might have been today or might have been earlier this morning and the host introduced you it says uh randy uh Moss, a horse racing hall of famer reflects on his 40 years at Pimlico.

Speaker 1 So now it's on the internet. Now you're in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 13 If I heard that, I would have corrected it. That must have been Nestor.

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Nestor Epirito.

Speaker 1 So you're in. So I think we're just going to say you're in the horse race.
You're in our horse racing Hall of Fame.

Speaker 13 Oh, and I didn't, and I didn't even bring my recurring guest shirt. That's what I should say.

Speaker 7 I'm thinking that what happened was they got a mix-up.

Speaker 7 And when they were doing their research on you, they looked up the other Randy Moss, and then they saw Hall of Fame and like just a headline, didn't click on the article, and they're like, oh, Randy's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 You are in our Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to do a plaque because actually, so this episode on Friday, we also had Mike Miller, who won two NBA titles on the show, and we were talking to him about how he's the best athlete from South Dakota.

Speaker 1 We said we put up a plaque in the studio that says Mike Miller, best athlete from South Dakota. Next to that plaque is going to say Randy Moss Hall of Horse Racing Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 We're going to have a whole little corner of the studio. Okay.

Speaker 13 Send me a picture of that plaque when you get it up there, will you?

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 it says it was established in 2010 to recognize individuals whose careers have been dedicated to or substantially involved in writing about thoroughbred racing, nonfiction, and who distinguish themselves as journalists.

Speaker 7 That's you. You were writing about this stuff when you were 12 years old, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who do we contact? Who can we contact? We need to start.

Speaker 1 Like, I want to get a vote. Let's get a vote.

Speaker 7 I'm trying to see.

Speaker 7 I'm looking at the criteria for the Joe Hirsch, the media honor roll.

Speaker 1 I'm going to Saratoga later this summer. I'm going to go to the Horse Racing Hall of Fame and

Speaker 1 I'm going to drop off a packet of being like, this is the guy. How have we not done this?

Speaker 1 I will not rest.

Speaker 7 It's a great injustice. Yeah.
We were talking about Pete Rose the other day finally being allowed in. Like, Randy Moss, it's not a legitimate Hall of Fame if Randy Moss isn't in it.

Speaker 13 Well, it's certainly not a legitimate Hall of Fame if Pete Rose is not in it. Absolutely there.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 13 That was a giant injustice.

Speaker 1 We're going to find out, and we're going to have the AWLs just spam the Horse Racing Hall of Fame and be like, let Randy in.

Speaker 7 Actually, Pete Rose should also be in the horse racing hall of fame.

Speaker 1 Yes, I would agree. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 13 He probably contributed more to the sport than a lot of guys.

Speaker 7 Yeah, maybe get you guys both in there together.

Speaker 7 What a class that would be.

Speaker 13 I actually hung out with him at a racetrack one time.

Speaker 13 The guy knew how to play the horses. That's for damn sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Well, Randy, thank you as always.
You're the best. And

Speaker 1 hopefully we'll talk to you in a couple weeks when we have Sovereignty back in action for the Belmont.

Speaker 13 All right, guys. Take care.
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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. We've got Fire Fest of the week, Hank.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Not much. Great week.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 1 No, Hank's right. Yeah, PFT, you know, it's like

Speaker 3 you feel your team to a game five win. You're dominating life.
It feels good at home.

Speaker 7 Especially when some haters say that you can't do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's nothing better. We're in the same spot.

Speaker 3 My really only Fire Fest was I was in Boston at the game. I missed our softball game, game, and I just missed, I missed being with the boys, but we won, so all good.

Speaker 1 Put softball aside for a second.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum's on a Fire Fest? Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Am I going crazy right now? No, this is what I'm saying about it. He's like, Yeah, I had a great week.
I guess, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 You know what it is? It's because Hank's had so much, he's been spoiled with success in the past so much that he's even more.

Speaker 3 I'm not worried about the offense.

Speaker 7 You're used to having every delusional thing that you think in your wildest dreams about your sports teams actually coming true. So, whenever something good happens, you're like, Yeah, I'm back.

Speaker 1 He won one game, and he was like, Yeah, Jason Tatum's not even injured anymore.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's basically the Patriots' dynasty all over.

Speaker 3 You guys know

Speaker 3 it's procrastination, it's denial. Yeah, it's like I'm not, I said it's like I am so locked in on this series until it's over because everything that comes with the offseason is sadness.

Speaker 3 And yeah, it was two days of

Speaker 3 just sad, sad thoughts. Uh, but

Speaker 3 again, those problems are are being pushed indefinitely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did miss a really good softball game and a great vibes.

Speaker 7 Sucks.

Speaker 3 You guys keep saying that in a kind of condescending way, and that's all right.

Speaker 1 Feels like when you're all-time vibes. Yeah, you're kind of the Jason Tatum of our

Speaker 4 Vaycat came to post beers.

Speaker 1 I came to post Pierce. I know.
I saw that.

Speaker 3 That's awesome.

Speaker 3 I'm happy. I'm happy for the Pucks.
I'm happy for the team.

Speaker 1 I got hit on. And my wife didn't believe me.

Speaker 7 I find it interesting that the softball recap is like 10 times longer this week than it was last week. That's just an interesting point.

Speaker 1 I wasn't at the game. Neither was I.

Speaker 7 Hank wasn't at the game this week. We talked about it, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's just interesting.

Speaker 3 I would have to. Did we talk about it for one minute?

Speaker 1 Well, you've only gone for like 45 seconds.

Speaker 7 It was just an interesting point.

Speaker 7 Just a data point.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 7 Just a data point.

Speaker 3 How was your softball game you played, right? You showed up for the team.

Speaker 7 No, the Hammy hurts.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, why wouldn't you talk about your game? I was called load management.

Speaker 7 Your recap recap is a lot shorter this week than last week. It was 23 to 2.
We won.

Speaker 1 It's okay.

Speaker 7 But you weren't there. I wasn't there, but that's all right.
It's hard to recap. I want my boys to win even when I'm not there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Same with Hank. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I want them to win so bad.

Speaker 3 The worst part of my week was just not being there with the boys because apparently it was so much fun.

Speaker 3 But it would have been just as fun if I was there, right?

Speaker 3 Obviously.

Speaker 1 They're all scared of you. What does that mean? They all think they said that to me.
They're like, Hank scares us. He's our boss.
I was like, he is.

Speaker 7 You should be scared of Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should be scared of Hank.

Speaker 1 All right, your Firefest PFT?

Speaker 7 Well, it's just going to be that.

Speaker 3 I will say last week someone said Bitcat's not here. We can drink beers.
I don't know. I wasn't me, but.

Speaker 7 Who said that? I'm going to guess Max.

Speaker 1 No, Max wasn't there.

Speaker 1 Who said that? I know.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say.

Speaker 1 You can drink beers at softball. It can't be wasted at softball because it's just not fun to drink.
I agree.

Speaker 1 I agree. I I fully agree.
Having a beer or two, that does loosen you up.

Speaker 3 It also might have been our manager, so it even really doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Ah, got it. Pug? No, Quigs.

Speaker 7 Oh, Quiggs is taking his coach. He's coaching.

Speaker 1 Quigs is the MVP of our family. Also, Quiggs brought a TV to the game.
I didn't even know that existed. Respect.
That's sick. It was a portable TV.
I'd never seen that. Respect.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 What's your Firefest?

Speaker 7 It was going to be that the Commanders have a bunch of primetime games and a bunch of standalone games, which sucks, and I'm not super pumped about, but already talked about that.

Speaker 7 So I think my Fire Fest is just going to be that there's a lot of talk about the NFL doing something to us that they should absolutely not do. And I'm worried that it's going to gain momentum.

Speaker 7 It's Mike Greenberg's dumb rules. Greeny yesterday, he had just seen the NBA draft lottery, and he was like, the NFL should do this.
It would be an event.

Speaker 7 You could make a lot of money off of Goodell. I don't think it's a good idea, but I do think that Goodell hears the words like...

Speaker 7 national television event that we don't have and he thinks about it yeah because he's very good at making money for the league it would it would be terrible for the nfl It would be terrible to know.

Speaker 7 You know what's the rule they're saying? To implement a draft lottery for the NFL. Number one, it's harder to tank in the NFL because they don't have guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 7 So at the end of the season, even if you're playing backups, they're playing as hard as they possibly can to try to get another contract or get paid next year.

Speaker 7 So it's less likely that a team actually is able to tank effectively. And number two, it would suck.
for the teams that are actually terrible, that don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 7 What would happen would be they would get screwed out of getting the number one pick, and then they would have to trade a shitload of their picks to move up to number one to get a quarterback, and then that quarterback would stink because you don't have any weapons for your quarterback because you trade away all your picks to get them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a bad idea.

Speaker 7 Stupid, bad idea, Greeny. Stupid.
Bad idea, yeah.

Speaker 1 The tanking doesn't happen in the NFL. It doesn't.

Speaker 7 Once in a while, like the Browns at the end of last year, where they just...

Speaker 1 It's like a week 17, 18 problem at all. Yeah.
Like, that's not, it's not more than that.

Speaker 1 Remember, the Giants won a game last season, late in the season right d'nucci or not d'nucci uh devito was de Vito last year no there was the DeVito was two years ago

Speaker 1 what was the game they won Drew Lockham yeah who'd they beat

Speaker 1 me was of the Titans

Speaker 1 it was the Colts yeah that's right the Colts game yeah yeah in in uh New York yeah like and that fucked him up but yes and the Giants fans were pissed but like that's they're still trying it's basically impossible to put on a full tank in the NFL yeah it's very tough to to pull off.

Speaker 7 But Granny's a wild boy for this one. Granny, just slow down.
Dumb roll.

Speaker 1 Slow your roll, Granny. I don't want to.

Speaker 7 Nobody wants this in the NFL.

Speaker 1 No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 All right, my Fire Fest is I just have Sphere

Speaker 1 withdrawal. I just wish I was back there.

Speaker 1 I'm like.

Speaker 1 Did you say Sphere?

Speaker 7 Sphere.

Speaker 1 Sphere. Yeah, Sphere.

Speaker 3 What if we build one here?

Speaker 1 I would like that.

Speaker 1 I'm like the avatar people who saw it and then got depressed because they weren't like the blue creatures.

Speaker 1 When I leave the sphere, it takes me a while to readjust. Like, nothing.

Speaker 1 The flowers don't smell as sweet. Conversations are boring to me.
I just want to be tripping my balls off in a concert in the sphere.

Speaker 7 Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that chemically,

Speaker 7 the dopamine has been sucked from your brain from the mushrooms? No. Okay.
No, no, no. It's the severe sphere.

Speaker 1 It's the sphere. I just need the sphere.

Speaker 8 I need to be back.

Speaker 1 If I could live in it, I would. Unfortunately, I can't.

Speaker 1 Maybe someday.

Speaker 3 Maybe build one here. Minisphere.

Speaker 1 Minisphere would rock. A personal sphere would rock.

Speaker 4 If we moved this show to San Diego, you'd be so close to the sphere.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 I don't know where that came from, but I like his sphere. I like it a lot.

Speaker 3 I like where your head's at, Max. That's a great point.
You didn't answer that.

Speaker 7 It wasn't a question. How much did this happen? No, it was a great point.

Speaker 3 You didn't comment on it.

Speaker 1 I don't need to comment on every great point.

Speaker 3 But it was a great point. You can admit that.

Speaker 1 No, I'm repeating you right now. It was a point.
A great one. It was a point.

Speaker 3 It was a valid,

Speaker 3 wise point.

Speaker 7 It was only $2.3 billion.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 Dude, that's $2.3 million, you know, 100x downsize.

Speaker 1 Imagine $2.6.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's 1,000x.

Speaker 1 That was a good correction. So $2.3 billion is 4.6

Speaker 1 billion. No, Canadian dollars?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to do the math of how many cavalanches that is.

Speaker 1 I can't do the math. Let's see.

Speaker 7 $1 billion would equal

Speaker 7 2,000 cavalanches.

Speaker 1 Is that right?

Speaker 1 Is it?

Speaker 3 500K times 2,000.

Speaker 1 I think we're in a world of hurt right now with our math. I don't know.
The answer is: I don't know.

Speaker 7 500K

Speaker 3 times.

Speaker 3 1E9.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's 1.9 billion.

Speaker 3 A million is.

Speaker 1 What's one? No, 1 billion is.

Speaker 7 It's 1,000 million.

Speaker 1 1,000. So it would be 4,000 cavalanches?

Speaker 3 No, it's 2,000. We're right.

Speaker 1 1.40 or whatever. 25.
Yeah, so then it would be 4,000 and some more because it's 2.1 billion.

Speaker 1 One sphere equals like

Speaker 1 5,000 cavalanches.

Speaker 3 No, 2,500. No.

Speaker 1 No, yes. Because it's 2.5.
It's 3 billion. Yes.
1 billion is 2,000 cavalinches. 2 billion.
No. What? 5,000 dumb.

Speaker 1 Don't talk about Russia. Hank, schedule.

Speaker 7 500,000 times 2 is 1 million.

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 1 What then? Tell us. You're like, keeping it.
You're publishing the 15-second right now.

Speaker 4 All right, whatever.

Speaker 1 You guys are right.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting a math.

Speaker 3 No, I don't know if you're right, but I'm not. I don't even know.
What the fuck is the E? Like, why are E?

Speaker 3 What's 0.15E9?

Speaker 3 Hank, let me ask you this.

Speaker 7 What's 500,000 plus 500,000?

Speaker 1 I don't know, man.

Speaker 7 1 million. It's 1 million.

Speaker 7 How many millions are in a billion? 1,000. There's 1,000.
So there's 2,000.

Speaker 1 There's 2,500,000s. Yes.

Speaker 7 In a billion. So there's 2,000

Speaker 7 cavalanches in $1 billion.

Speaker 3 Agreed.

Speaker 1 So then there's $4,000. Agreed.
$2 billion. Fully agree.
And then some change. Yeah.
We got cavalanches left over.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we're looking at like

Speaker 7 4,270 cavalry.

Speaker 1 Cavalanche machines. Yep.
across the country. Great job, all around.
Let's do numbers.

Speaker 3 Error by the pitcher.

Speaker 1 All right. Numbers.

Speaker 1 Six. Whoa.
Nicks and six.

Speaker 3 Seven. Nicks and six.
Three.

Speaker 1 Go for the rhyme scheme.

Speaker 1 Wow, memes. Five.
The formula is NYX and six. If we get the seven,

Speaker 1 seventy-two.

Speaker 7 Five for game five.

Speaker 8 Nine or nine pug

Speaker 7 46.

Speaker 1 21. So wait, you have three,

Speaker 1 six,

Speaker 1 five, seven.

Speaker 3 Celtics in seven, Nick's in six, Kanes in five.

Speaker 7 No, it's a game five for game five titles. Oh,

Speaker 1 no. That was meaning.

Speaker 7 It's not that mean.

Speaker 1 64.

Speaker 7 Damn.

Speaker 1 64 for the

Speaker 1 internet invitational, which we can get invited to.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

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