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Speaker 1 See Mintmobile.com. On today's part of my Take Super Wildcard weekend recap.

Speaker 1 We're going to recap all five games. We had four duds and then an absolute thriller in Sunday night football.
And PFT's commanders are marching on.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk maybe a little preview for Monday night football because we didn't talk about it on Friday. Who's back of the week? Fastest two minutes.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, January 13th, and it's super wild card weekend.

Speaker 1 Whoop!

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Speaker 1 Playoff! They're not gonna get them!

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Speaker 1 Some spread.

Speaker 1 We start in Houston, where QB just tin man Herbert showed no heart and had way more oohs than ahs in this one.

Speaker 1 It's early January, so the Stroud boys stood back and stood by until CJ found Lord and Xavier Hutchinson for a huge gain off a fumbled snap. And just like that, the Texans were storming the defense.

Speaker 1 The game broke open when Herbert was picked off by safety Eric Curry, who made Somosa his playing time and didn't stop until he was in the end zone and proved the Chargers are a non-factor.

Speaker 1 Come playoff time. Texans, 32.
Chargers in the stinky cloud, 12.

Speaker 1 We head down to Baltimore, Maryland, where the new look Ravens defense and Dean BlackEyed Pease said, Let's get Lamarted.

Speaker 1 Let's get Lamarted in here. Hey, hey, as he connected with Rashad of Love with Tila Tequila Bateman, and he was very easy to score with.

Speaker 1 Brussels Sprouts Wilson had another performance that was very hard to digest, and all the kids at home hated it. But George W.
Bush Pickens is backed at it again.

Speaker 1 But the Baltimore offense was committing war crimes with a ground invasion as Derrick Henry Kissinger carpet-bombed the Steelers for another Pittsburgh playoff louse.

Speaker 1 Ravens, 28. The Steelers, 14.
On to Sunday to Western New York, where the Broncos had bills saying Troy Vay as Franklin caught the first score of the game to put Denver up early.

Speaker 1 But they forgot about 17 as quarterback Josh Ellen went against D that was generous to him, telling his team, let's be in the game and made the Broncos look like the interns the way he abused them.

Speaker 1 The game broke open when the offense dropped their Johnson on the table and challenged the Broncos to tie that.

Speaker 1 Ultimately, the Broncos shouldn't hold their heads down as they'll be doing bow tricks on it for the quarterback of the future.

Speaker 1 The Bills 31, Broncos 7, and no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 We head over to Philadelphia where Max was on the scene.

Speaker 1 We head to Philadelphia where wake up Elliott continues to sleep on the season as he missed another extra point and almost cost the birds another game.

Speaker 1 Thankfully, King Bond took over the game when Jordan Love was seeing smoke. So he's about to choke.
Then we took it for the O.

Speaker 1 Big play Ray LeMontaine had Philly fans saying, You are the best thing. You're the best thing

Speaker 1 that ever happened to me as he continued the pick parade with one of the best plays of the weekend.

Speaker 1 Nolan Smith and Weston shot off the line like a bullet all game long as he massacred the Packers on his way to two sacks, including one late to see the game. Eagles 22, Packers 10.

Speaker 1 We go down to Tampa, Florida, where backwards hat Dan Quinjamin Button is looking younger the older he gets.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Todd Bowles was mixing up his left and his right like Hank, trying to understand the political spectrum.

Speaker 1 And Mike, seven minutes in heavens, took Marshawn Lanahore into the closet and made out like a bandit, cooking the former Saints quarterback in the first half up and down the field in an early score.

Speaker 1 But Jaden Danelli was not going to be denied with a band-aid on his face, covering a gash so deep Mike Torico tried to grab it a few cocktails.

Speaker 1 Miyamigo Ola Mita Zacchias hold in some nice receptiones reminding the audience that it is mech I can not mech I cannot.

Speaker 1 Baker and the Bucs respond with a field goal drive of their own leading to Inzane in the membrane.

Speaker 1 Gonzalez pulling his hair out as he jogged onto the field and the goalpost said left hand up Right as the ball bounced off the right. Pull it in as the commanders win 23 to 20.

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Speaker 1 Okay, super wild card weekend, at least the first five games in the books. We got a lot to talk about, boys.
We had some duds, and then we had a thriller on Sunday night and PFT's Commanders.

Speaker 1 So we're going to go in chronological order all the way back to Saturday, which is always hard because your brain's like, oh, shit. The Texans and Chargers did happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we have Texans 32, Chargers 12. I'd like to put my hand up real quick and say that I want to apologize to the Houston Texans because I was down on them.

Speaker 1 And I think rightfully so at points in the season.

Speaker 1 And their offense, rightfully so. That Texans defense, holy shit, did they bring it on Saturday? They were so goddamn good.

Speaker 1 And not only were they so good, I thought that game was decided by the fact that the Chargers came out like basically a perfect start.

Speaker 1 The Chargers go down the field, kick a field goal, get the fumble on the very next play.

Speaker 1 And if the Texans' defense doesn't play their balls off to start the game, if they give up a touchdown on the first drive, if they give up a touchdown after the fumble,

Speaker 1 that game could look totally different. But essentially, the Texans' defense played so well early that they let C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud and that offense find a rhythm to a point where they were able to win that game. So, like, that was just that the Texans' defense was just so good.
They were good.

Speaker 7 All their cornerbacks were good, especially Derek Stingley. Oh, yeah.
Stingley was a problem. Will Anderson was very, very good, too.
Yep. We have slept on the Texans' defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think it's still constant.

Speaker 7 I think it's been under the assumption that they're not a great team.

Speaker 7 Like, overall, when we've been talking about them, we haven't been talking about them like they're a very good team because they haven't blown out bad teams.

Speaker 7 They've played in close games all year long. They haven't really shown us flashes on offense, but their defense has been good.

Speaker 7 And their defense was very good against the Chargers, who they were the team that was supposed to have the suffocating defense going into it.

Speaker 7 And then if you go up, if you dominate the first part of the game and you go up six to nothing on two field goals, that when we talked about like if you go up, if you kick a field goal to go up six points in a game, it feels like the other team always comes down and scores again.

Speaker 7 It felt like you were losing the game, having only gotten six points out of those two incredible drives.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were watching it being like, if you're a Chargers fan, you have to feel very uneasy right now because you have had every lucky bounce to start this game and everything's gone your way and you're only up 6-0.

Speaker 1 And then the game completely switched on the fumbled snap that C.J. Stroud had, scrambles out of the pocket, makes an incredible play.
hits a bomb down the field like 34 yards.

Speaker 7 That was like that play that Ben Johnson tried to get Jerry Goff to run.

Speaker 7 He said, can you intentionally fumble it? Because it throws the whole defense off. They get off what their normal schedule is and their routine is.
Right. And then it can open stuff up.

Speaker 7 This was not intentional. This is a mistake.
But it opened everything up downfield. And then all of a sudden, yeah, like you're saying, the whole offense looked different.

Speaker 1 Right. And that was the end of the half.
And

Speaker 1 if that ends up being a fumble or like CJ Stroud falls on the ball, the Chargers get the ball back. They can maybe drive.
They're up 6-0. They go into halftime.
Instead,

Speaker 1 something happened there where it woke up the Texans' offense because then

Speaker 1 they get a touchdown. Then they force a three and out and they get another three points.

Speaker 1 So now it's 10-6 at halftime in a half where you're like, everything that could have gone wrong for the Texans went wrong and the Chargers are somehow down.

Speaker 1 And then the second half was just an absolute like, that was,

Speaker 1 I've retired Chargering because of Jim Harbaugh and the culture he's built. That was Chargering.

Speaker 7 Was it Chargering?

Speaker 1 I mean, they, the pick six, like everything just fell apart all at once.

Speaker 7 I feel like Chargering would be a little bit closer at the end.

Speaker 1 This was

Speaker 7 I think the Chargers ran into an acute case of building their entire offense out of Lad McConkey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so about that.

Speaker 1 And we have to have a Justin Herbert conversation, but Lad McConkey was incredible and the rest of the Chargers' offense was not. Lad McConkey had 197 yards.
The other wide receivers had 45

Speaker 1 and tight ends.

Speaker 1 Lad McConkey had one touchdown. When Justin Herbert was throwing to Lad McConkey, he had one touchdown, one interception.

Speaker 1 When he was throwing to anyone else, he had zero touchdowns, three interceptions. He was 60% completion percentage to Ladd, 29% to everyone else, 13 yards

Speaker 1 per pass to Lad,

Speaker 1 2.6 to everyone else, and Ladd had eight first downs, and everyone else had one.

Speaker 1 It was one? One. That's passing.
They just couldn't do anything that wasn't Lad McConkey. And honestly, like,

Speaker 1 I mean, we should talk about Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 If that Lad McConkey touchdown doesn't happen, that stat line is one of the all-time worst stat. It was already a bad stat line.

Speaker 1 But it was like that at least gave him 80 yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 7 It wasn't the pick six that bounced off Will Disley.

Speaker 7 That one wasn't on Justin Herbert, but the other ones were.

Speaker 1 So he had four interceptions. One was not his.

Speaker 1 I think the worst one by far was the first one because it was 6-0,

Speaker 1 first half. CJ Stroud throws an interception.
And the very next play, Justin Herbert tries to throw across across his body, across the field.

Speaker 1 And, like, you just can't, I don't know what he was doing there. And then he had the one where he overthrew Ladd, and then

Speaker 1 I can't remember what the last, but he was bad. He was really bad.
And his offensive line didn't help him. But, like, Justin Herbert has been in the playoffs twice now.

Speaker 1 He was 14 for 32 with four interceptions on Saturday. The other game he was in the playoffs, they blew a 27-0 lead.

Speaker 1 It's not good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I still would take him, but it's not good.

Speaker 7 Big cat, this stat,

Speaker 7 is it a bad stat? Is it a good stat? Or is it a bad stat that actually is kind of good if you read it the wrong way?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Justin Herbert is now the only player in NFL history to throw more interceptions in a playoff game than he had interceptions during the entire regular season.

Speaker 1 Okay. I think that is officially a

Speaker 1 bad, good stat.

Speaker 7 I think it's a bad stat that's good if you're a loser.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a bad stat right now.

Speaker 1 Actually, it'll be a bad stat.

Speaker 1 When you look back at the season, if you're like, remember that season you only threw three interceptions? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You just hope that the person you're talking to isn't like, but what about the playoffs?

Speaker 7 He threw four. Then what?

Speaker 1 So they must have won the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. Yeah.
You just hope that the person doesn't have that locked and loaded. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you can get away with being like, Justin Herbert actually only threw three interceptions in a season.

Speaker 7 Here's the take: three interceptions is not enough interceptions.

Speaker 7 I agree. That's not enough interceptions.
You got to throw a few. You have to have more interceptions than that.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 7 it shines a light on how well he played and how the Chargers' formula during the regular season was play mistake-free football, play tough defense, and then somehow you win the game.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 And in this game, it didn't work out, and he did not play mistake-free football by a long shot. He was, to be fair to Justin Herbert, they hit the fuck out of him a lot.

Speaker 1 They hit the fuck out of him, and Greg Roman, I think he only called 16 runs, which again, that goes back to the Texans defense.

Speaker 1 Texans' defense up front, and I mean, Singletary, Kamari Lassiter, like they all were balling, but like that, he had no time. They were suffocating.
Like,

Speaker 1 as bad as Justin, I know that the conversation wants to be about Justin Herbert because that's what we do. We talk about quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 I don't think you could talk about Justin Herbert without it first saying, like, hey, dude, credit to the Texans' defense because that was a lot of them.

Speaker 1 And, like, Justin Herbert played bad, but it was also the Texans defense playing out of this world good.

Speaker 7 I I think people are frustrated with Justin Herbert because this gets really into like the sports media ecosystem. Correct.

Speaker 7 I'm going to be the Justin Herbert. I'm going to be the say something bad about Justin Herbert guy.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 7 You guys talk about him like he's won three Super Bowls. He hasn't won a playoff game.
But you guys, we're supposed to think Justin Herbert is a second coming of Jesus Christ and Tom Brady. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But your golden boy hasn't won a playoff game. He just threw four interceptions.
He sucks. He sucks.

Speaker 7 He played a very bad game.

Speaker 7 At some point, the expectations, if he is like your entire offense, and if he's supposed to be a great quarterback that's going to be worthy of a huge extension, you would like for him to play way, way better in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I think he already got his extension.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but to be worthy of that money to be worthy of that money and all the cap that's going to be tied up in him.

Speaker 1 I'll say this right now, and this isn't me defending Justin Herbert because he was terrible on Saturday. I will buy all the Justin Herbert stock.

Speaker 7 Right now is a great time.

Speaker 1 I will buy all of it. If you think that he is just like a terrible quarterback, that's fine.
I still think he's pretty good.

Speaker 1 I would like to see him with maybe some more weapons other than just Lab McConkey.

Speaker 1 This also is like a perspective game where the Chargers were not supposed to probably be in the playoffs this year given the roster and like the overturn and the rebuild and everything.

Speaker 1 So it's like, it's hard in the moment to say.

Speaker 1 It feels like you're defending Justin Herbert where I'm not trying to defend him. I'm more like they overachieved this year.
Like they overachieved.

Speaker 1 They probably weren't going to be a playoff team if you looked at it going into the season. And they overachieved to get to this point.

Speaker 1 And they overachieved so much that everyone had them as a favorite. And I thought they were going to win this game.
So it's like, you know, I thought I bet on them to win the Super Bowl. Like,

Speaker 1 I was drinking the Kool-Aid. So it's almost like they're a little bit of a victim of their own success in that respect.

Speaker 7 Here's how Justin Herbert works for me. When I hear somebody saying, this guy, when I hear somebody like sucking his dick, I'm like, let's pump the brakes.
He hasn't really done anything. Right.

Speaker 7 When I hear somebody like sharpening their knife and being like, this fucking guy's a bum. I'm like, actually, he's really good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's basically a microcosm for the world right now. Yeah.
Like, if you live on an extreme where you're like, Justin Herbert's actually the best quarterback in the NFL, it's like, dude, no.

Speaker 1 And then if you say that you'd rather have anyone else besides Justin Herbert, you're like, all right, you're an idiot because Justin Herbert's good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's everything in the world right now.

Speaker 7 He's very good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I wouldn't say great.

Speaker 7 And with CJ Stroud, maybe his rookie season kind of fast-forward through everything. Because usually, when you get a rookie quarterback who's good, he goes into like a game manager phase.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And he just doesn't turn the ball. Just take care of the ball.
You don't have to make these incredible throws downfield. Just be safe and let's move the ball on offense, rely on our defense.

Speaker 7 But we didn't get that his rookie year. It was like CJ is going to go out there and he's going to be special and they're going to figure out a way to win.
And now,

Speaker 7 watching how they played against the Chargers, that is a formula for these Texans. Yeah.
Is to play great defense and then just be very, very almost conservative on offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I mean,

Speaker 1 he started the game bad, and he like you can't turn the ball over. And he had that one interception early.
But again, it was the Texans' defense allowing C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud to find his rhythm, where he eventually did find his rhythm. And he actually did a really good job running the ball, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There were a few times where he made some big plays with his feet. And yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't want to do.

Speaker 1 See, this is what we always do, though, with wildcard Weekend: I always sell myself on the team I just watched win a playoff game because I'm like, well, dude, they just won a playoff game.

Speaker 1 That's really fucking good. That's hard to do.
But they're also, and you're like, the Chiefs haven't done anything in these playoffs.

Speaker 7 That's true.

Speaker 1 So they haven't scored.

Speaker 1 Damn, that looks good. The Texans next week.

Speaker 7 No interceptions.

Speaker 1 They're proven.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no points. So if you were to have the Texans playing against the Bills or the Ravens, what would your thought be about that game?

Speaker 1 Texans playing, yeah, I'd be like, they'd get killed.

Speaker 7 Yeah. The Chiefs are, remember, the Chiefs are just as good, if not better, probably better.

Speaker 1 Statistically, one more better

Speaker 1 than the Bills or the Ravens.

Speaker 7 So just remember that.

Speaker 1 I'm happy that

Speaker 1 we only have one buy now because this used to be my biggest problem when we had two buys and I would do that for two games. And I'd be like, well,

Speaker 1 this team just won a playoff game. But I...
I just, I really did walk away from this game being like, I apologize for sleeping on how good this Texans defense is.

Speaker 1 And if CJ Stroud, again, can have time to get in a rhythm in the game and not have to do it all himself, because

Speaker 1 that game could have been 14-0

Speaker 1 in a fucking blink of an eye if that Texans defense doesn't stand up.

Speaker 1 And it could have been 14-0 with the Chargers having the ball off a C.J. Stroud pick.
And it would have been like, well, there's just no chance they're coming back. They're in obvious passing down.

Speaker 1 Instead, they flipped it. And then Joe Mixon, who they brought in for these type of situations, was incredible in the second half.
He had 91 yards in the second half. He was the closer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They basically, like that end of the game, when

Speaker 1 the Texans, oh, it was

Speaker 1 the blocked extra point where Dicker got absolutely smoked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that was a moment where you're like, okay, this is, when they're lining up for that extra point, it could have been a 10-point game in the fourth quarter. And they blocked the extra point.

Speaker 1 They get that two-point. But then the Texans are like, no, we'll just run Joe Mixon down your throat and you won't get the ball back.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's the game manager formula. Yeah.
Strong running game, good defense. Don't make a mistake.

Speaker 7 The blocked extra point that was returned, you have to, at some point, the special teams coach needs to go over that scenario. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Right. Like, if the kick is blocked behind the line of scrimmage and it comes to you, it's not, you didn't just throw a forward pass.

Speaker 7 You're not like Peyton Manning, who's disgusted and just does the most unathletic bat down of all time.

Speaker 7 You got to catch that thing.

Speaker 1 Well, it was doubly bad for Dicker because I think he was, I think part of him batting it down was like, I don't want to get jacked up. Yeah.
And he batted it down and still got jacked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he took a shot to just catch it and just get jacked up.

Speaker 7 Right in the chin.

Speaker 1 What were you going to say, Hank? The Nickelodeon broadcast. Oh, yeah, I was going to get to that.
I wrote that. I have a fun stat for Texans fans.

Speaker 1 Since 2002, when the Texans were founded as a franchise, they have more playoff wins than the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 7 That is very fun.

Speaker 1 They have six, and the Dallas Cowboys have four. That's very fun.
It's got to really piss off Jerry Jones.

Speaker 7 The Texans are six and two in the Houston Texans time slot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah.

Speaker 3 People were mad at me. What do you mean?

Speaker 7 I said that they always lose? They always lose.

Speaker 1 No, they do. And they're actually in the time slot again next week.
They are against the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 As is tradition.

Speaker 1 Also, Joe Mixon, one last thing about Joe Mixon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was smoking on that Rex Ryan pack after the game in the locker room, which is very funny because he, I guess Rex Ryan said that it was basically a buy for the Chargers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he was having fun with that. Rex Ryan.

Speaker 7 He's giving bulletin board material to teams. He's not a coach.

Speaker 1 Can I just say that Rex Ryan, like, just chill out, dude? The way he's

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 everything he's doing now is coming across as desperate. Like, memes, do you not agree?

Speaker 1 On Countdown this morning, I tuned in for a minute and they were talking about the Vrabel hire and he's like, hopefully I get a chance to kick his ass twice a year. Like he's just begging for the job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think there's like 0% chance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's even more pathetic.

Speaker 7 This is like crazy X. This is Crazy Rex's girlfriend.
He's being very, very emotional. And it's like, okay, Rex, you're coming on a little bit too strong, buddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just chill out. Just calm down a little bit.
Let the process happen. He needs to go coach high school or something.
Well,

Speaker 1 it's a very funny

Speaker 1 thought to have where

Speaker 1 I don't know what he's thinking. Like, hey,

Speaker 1 if I say these things on Countdown, maybe Brick Johnson is watching. And he's like, oh, shit, we didn't think about Rex Ryan.

Speaker 7 He might actually be thinking, if I go viral enough, Bruce will see this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like if enough people tweet about Rex Ryan being the Jets head coach,

Speaker 7 maybe. And he might not be wrong.

Speaker 1 I guess that, I mean, Providence Twitter did tweet enough about Ed Cooley leaving Georgetown that he had to answer questions about it. So that could happen.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Nickelodeon broadcast.

Speaker 3 Before that, also, I was going to say, Joe Mixon said this team reminds him of the Bengals team a few years ago. I think it was the same record, same

Speaker 1 spot.

Speaker 3 Young quarterback beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I think the Texans would be live in the game. I still think the Chiefs are a more well-balanced team.
I would agree with that. And also, you're giving Andy Reid, I mean, what, 25 days to prepare? Yep.

Speaker 1 I guess it's only a week to prepare.

Speaker 1 He did some scouting on both teams, but I'm sure they'll have a way to figure out this Texans' defense.

Speaker 7 Now, does this continue the stat that we brought up earlier this season that every team that has played both the Harbaugh Brothers went one-one against the Harbaugh Brothers?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 7 they got beat by the Ravens. Yeah.
And then one against the Chargers. I think that's every coach that has played against each Harbaugh Brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Although, I guess technically Antonio Pierce went one and two against the Harbaugh Brothers.

Speaker 1 That's true. Because he lost to both Jim, but that still counts.
Yeah. They got to win in a lot.

Speaker 7 One and one minimum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one in one minimum. I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Nickelodeon broadcast.

Speaker 1 We had no idea that we were going to make it. We made it.

Speaker 1 Big catfish and PF Manatee.

Speaker 1 It was literally the Leo meme. We were sitting in the gambling cave when we had the Nickelodeon broadcast up.
And we were just like, wait, what the fuck? That's us.

Speaker 7 It happens from time to time when they're doing the Game Time commercial. Yeah.
Where I'll hear my voice from the other side of the room and be like, what was that?

Speaker 7 But this one, we had absolutely no idea it was going to happen. We look up at it.
And then next up is LePron James.

Speaker 1 and kevin was it kev fin kev fin hart kev fin hart yeah we we were bigger than them and then whoever ice spice was

Speaker 1 that was she was next that was pretty cool yeah i i mean i i had my kids watch it they were they didn't fully understand it but they were like that's kind of cool i was like that's me they're like well that's a fish

Speaker 1 i'm like well no but that's me uh but yeah Thank you, Nickelodeon. And then

Speaker 1 they used our

Speaker 1 SpongeBob quote from our interview with Jim Harbaugh in 2018. Yeah.
As like, here's some, yeah, wait, can you play it? This is, I think it was Adam Schefter's daughter introduced us. Yep.

Speaker 1 We got some pretty big celebrities. Check it out.
Sports podcasters, Big Catfish and P.F. Manetz here in the house.
LePron James is back, and this time he brought his friend Kev Finn Hart.

Speaker 1 And Ice Fish Spice is here tonight. Ice Fish Spice.

Speaker 7 If they introduce us as podcasters, shouldn't we have been whales?

Speaker 1 I look tired as big catfish.

Speaker 1 They gave you butthole eyes. Yeah, I'm not looking good.
It was also funny that they made PFT a manatee, but also still way smaller. Also smaller, yeah.
Catfish.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was tough.

Speaker 1 And then we also had our guy, Jim Harbaugh, get captured by the stinky cloud, and then that was 32 to 6 was the score after Jim Harbaugh got captured by the stinky cloud.

Speaker 7 Is that a real stat? That's a real stat. Is he still in the cloud?

Speaker 1 He might be. It's a dirty bubble.
Oh, dirty bubble.

Speaker 1 Sorry, sorry. What's the dirty bubble? The SpongeBob fans will get mad at you.
Yeah, well, it's Stinky Cloud C-act thing that got screwed up in my head. Dirty Bubble.

Speaker 1 The Dirty Bubble captured Jim Harbaugh. What is the Dirty Bubble?

Speaker 1 Does anyone have an explanation?

Speaker 7 He's just a bubble that's dirty and he's evil.

Speaker 1 Okay, I got it. Okay, so it's pretty literal.

Speaker 7 That seems like it's not fair that

Speaker 7 they captured him in that.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 7 They're just taking out one coach.

Speaker 1 I said it when

Speaker 1 it came up on the screen. It showed him with dirty shit all over him.

Speaker 7 That's fucked up. Yeah.
You can't do that to one coach.

Speaker 3 Did Harbaugh win the MVP?

Speaker 1 MVP? No, they gave it to the winning team. Yeah.
We did stuff the ballot.

Speaker 7 So this year, they had a little disclaimer on the votes for MVP saying for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 1 Look at that.

Speaker 7 As opposed to other years where it's definitely not supposed to be entertaining, but they made it seem like they would just give it to whoever they wanted.

Speaker 7 I would like to think that if the Chargers won, Harbaugh would have gotten the MVP.

Speaker 1 I would agree. I think we did enough voting.
But yeah, the Dirty Bubble, that's.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to bring that up to him next time. Yeah.
Because he'll be like, wait, seriously?

Speaker 7 I don't like that.

Speaker 1 He'll be upset about it. Yeah, look at that.
The Dirty Bubble captured him.

Speaker 1 You can't

Speaker 1 rigged. During a playoff game.
I do love the Nickelodeon broadcast, though.

Speaker 7 It was cool having it up there. They really went all out with the slime this year.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have any problem with DJ Chark tweeting a picture of him being like, now that long three and a half months back to weed

Speaker 7 oh no I didn't see that yeah

Speaker 7 he was it was just he was just holding a a dog walker a little little tiny joint he was like nice I have a problem with it I don't think it's cool what do you mean like it's if you're really a big fan of weed you you probably wouldn't like post a picture that he's probably just being like hey guys I smoke weed Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like trying to make it seem like he's a cool guy who smokes. But maybe

Speaker 7 real leaf heads know that if you really felt that way, you wouldn't need to post about it. You would just go spark up a dude.

Speaker 1 So he might be being like,

Speaker 1 so he captured it. Shout out my

Speaker 1 word I can't say, bud.

Speaker 1 Been along three and a half months. So maybe he's just letting everyone know, like,

Speaker 1 you can smoke me out again. Yeah.
Like, I'm back.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like, I'm free to join the circle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got no problem with it.

Speaker 7 No, like, from a standpoint of admitting that you smoke weed, I would never do such a thing because I'm not a drug guy. But for him, no problem with being like, I can't wait to smoke weed again.

Speaker 7 I just question posting it on social media. Like,

Speaker 1 why?

Speaker 1 He is kind of admitting, too, that he hadn't been smoking for three and a half months, so that's kind of cool. There you go.
Good for him. Good job.
Good job, DJ Shark.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, the Chargers season overall, success, even though... By the way, what do we think Justin Herbert's pregame speech was? It must have been terrible, right?

Speaker 7 No cameras. Well, no.
No cameras.

Speaker 1 Ben Herbert, who is by far the best person to keep cameras away. The report was that Justin Herbert has had his pregame speech taped the last like three weeks or something.

Speaker 1 And then this week for the playoff game, he had Ben Herbert make sure there were no cameras near him. That had to be a stinky, stinky.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was the

Speaker 1 dirty cloud.

Speaker 7 It was dirty cloud just came out of his mouth. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know what he said to him. I like the move, though.
Just being like, no cameras, please. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did see a funny meme that said that the draft, what draft was Herbert, 2020, 2019?

Speaker 7 2020.

Speaker 1 They called it the if draft because it's like

Speaker 1 if Tua could stay healthy, if Justin Herbert had weapons, and like if the Bengals could make it into the playoffs. Yeah.
So it's all the if guys, just hypotheticals everywhere.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I can see that. I still think that the Chargers, they're on the upswing.
Yeah, they were in the downswing last year.

Speaker 1 We're going to get to the Broncos, but like there were certain teams going into this. I think the thing that hurts more for the Chargers, they were favored in this game.

Speaker 1 And I thought they were going to win. I think a lot of people thought they were going to win.
So that hurts a little bit more that you went into a game that you thought was winnable

Speaker 1 and you just completely fell on your face. But you need some weapons.
Quentin Johnson had zero catches, right?

Speaker 7 They'll get some weapons. I don't think he had a catch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And they know Josh Palmer was a big one for him. Yeah.
Because he does stretch the field a little bit. They also didn't count on Aaron Foster.
Yeah. Aaron with a great.

Speaker 7 I hope they taped his pregame speech.

Speaker 1 Was scared of the cannons. Yeah.
Did you see that guy? Yeah, I saw that. It's very funny.
I saw that. Those cannons are fucking, like, they will scare you.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was like the,

Speaker 1 was it just the air cannons before

Speaker 7 gunpowder? Yeah.

Speaker 7 If you can handle Big T on a weekly basis, you should be able to handle cannons. Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 1 I agree. So

Speaker 1 do we think that the Texans, you think the Texans really have a chance? I do. You love the Texans.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm going to take a money line.

Speaker 1 But just don't trick yourself into, they want a playoff game. That's what you're saying to yourself.

Speaker 3 And the Bengals thing.

Speaker 1 The Bengals thing got in your head?

Speaker 3 Joe Mixon, young quarterback, wildcard team.

Speaker 3 I just hate the Chiefs, too. I don't want the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 Any other team but the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, I'm fine with. Literally any other team.
And it does not matter who.

Speaker 7 Your hatred of the Chiefs comes from a place of being a Patriots fan, where you want to keep them as far away from the dynasty that you had as possible.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I just don't, it's not, they're just not. Yeah, that actually.

Speaker 1 You could say, I want something new, but that's what it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have one last sad Charger stat from Stad Hole. In the final 31 minutes of their last two playoff games, so like the final 31 minutes of their last playoff game, the final 31 minutes of Saturday,

Speaker 1 they've been outscored 63 to 9.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 That's really bad. That's really, really bad.
That's not good. That's when you're supposed to win the playoff games.

Speaker 7 That's charging half. That's what that is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just they were

Speaker 1 just overwhelmed by the Texans' defense. And

Speaker 1 Hank, I don't.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs are really good.

Speaker 1 Are they? Yeah. Yes, they won 15 games.

Speaker 3 But it could have been 10.

Speaker 1 But it also could have been 16 if they had played their starters.

Speaker 3 Russ versus Rust.

Speaker 1 Okay. Rest versus Rust.
Okay, I don't have any counter to that.

Speaker 7 I do like that there's somebody that's brave enough to go out there and be like, the Chiefs aren't very good. I appreciate that about you.

Speaker 3 The Chiefs could lose this game.

Speaker 3 They're not as good as their record says they are.

Speaker 1 But they could be better. But

Speaker 7 their record is exactly what says how good they are.

Speaker 1 Wait, yeah. Are you saying they're not as good as their record says they are? They actually should be better.

Speaker 3 No, I'm saying like, you know, if you, if you stacked them up against the other teams that had similar records over the course of history, like they would be the worst one.

Speaker 7 But you also have to remember that that week 18 game was Carson Wentz, so they're saying so they gave that one up.

Speaker 1 It could be 16. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could be 16 and one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they get the extra game, so it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 In terms of 15 wins, they went 15 and one in your head. Yeah.
In your record, right? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 7 There's like a curse of 15 win teams.

Speaker 7 It goes all the way back to the 1985 Bears. Like the 85 Bears were the last team, I think, to win 15 games.

Speaker 1 And then win the Super Bowl. Yeah, because it was the 99 Vikings?

Speaker 7 That sounds right, yeah.

Speaker 1 When they lost in the NFC Championship game, and I mean, exactly 15 wins.

Speaker 7 I think there was a year where there might have been.

Speaker 1 No, this year there were two teams.

Speaker 7 There might have been another one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There hasn't been a ton.

Speaker 7 Let's see. 15-win teams in NFL history.

Speaker 1 I know the Vikings. The Steelers.
Steelers lost Big Ben's rookie season,

Speaker 1 if I'm correct. Correct.

Speaker 7 So 1998 Vikings lost in the NFC Championship game. 2004 Steelers lost in the AFC Championship.
2011 Packers lost in the NFC Divisional. 2015 Panthers lost the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 So it has been

Speaker 7 40 years.

Speaker 1 15-win teams are bad. Yep.
Okay. All right.
Maybe I'm with you now, Hank. You've swung me.
That was some deep analytics. You've got me.
That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Really good teams

Speaker 7 sometimes don't win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Happens almost every year.

Speaker 7 Could have shortened it to that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Saturday night.
Ravens 28, Steelers, 14.

Speaker 1 This was just an ass-kicking. This was an absolute ass-kicking.
This was a Lamar masterclass. This was a Derrick Henry masterclass.
The Ravens

Speaker 1 said fuck you to the Steelers. They did fuck you football for four quarters.
I know that the Steelers did score twice, but they had 299 rushing yards. And

Speaker 1 the first half, the game was over.

Speaker 1 It felt over after the Steelers punted on their first possession, and the Ravens got it on, I think, the five-yard line and went 13 plays, 95 yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 1 That was like, oh, no, this is a problem. But it was really over on the next time the Ravens scored a touchdown when they went 13 plays, 85 yards.
Every single one of those plays was a run,

Speaker 1 scored a touchdown. And then they scored at the end of the first half.
And it was just like,

Speaker 1 this is as bad as it gets. The Ravens are just, they're just so fucking good.
Yeah. And Lamar's so good.

Speaker 1 That Lamar touchdown at the end of the first half, where he just bought himself like 18 seconds of time and found Justice Hill.

Speaker 7 Yeah, all cool, calm, and collected back there as everybody was trying to like.

Speaker 7 TJ Watt,

Speaker 7 he hasn't been playing that well in the last like two months. And if you're going to beat the Ravens, you have to have TJ do, he has to have like two takeaways on his own.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 He has to have a punch, and then he's got to get a strip sack that he recovers. And TJ has, I think in the last month, he hasn't, he might not have had a tackle.

Speaker 1 I think I saw the stat. It was like 127 snaps, no tackles, no pressures.

Speaker 7 Here we go.

Speaker 7 Last 127 snaps of his 2024 season. Zero tackles, zero assists, zero sacks.
And what they had him doing on defense was whenever they would run the read option, he would always tackle the ball carry

Speaker 7 the running back. And that was his job.
And it left these huge gaps to the side, which somebody should fill if you're drawing up this this defense.

Speaker 7 But there were some times where they just didn't fill that gap, and so Lamar just kept it and waltzed. Yeah.
And it was like nobody within five yards of him for most of his run until the very end.

Speaker 7 And it was a very confusing defensive scheme.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry's Lightning McQueen. That's what Lamar said afterwards.
Oh, I like that. Yeah, he was like, yeah, he looked like Lightning McQueen when he had that 50-yard touchdown.

Speaker 7 I'm telling you, Derrick Henry with the short hair. That is championship mentality.
To take

Speaker 7 a

Speaker 7 growth of braids that you've been working on for how long? 10 years? Yeah. And be like, you know what? Fuck it.
Chop it off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I feel like that's a good mindset to have.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I mean, the Ravens are just like a complete team, full, full, like everything.

Speaker 1 Their defense, we talked about it with Orlovsky on Friday, that

Speaker 1 their past defense has been completely changed when Kyle Hamilton moved back. And their offense is just, I mean, Zay Flowers didn't play in this game.
They didn't need him. Lamar was

Speaker 1 still perfect, and he killed him with his legs early.

Speaker 1 Whenever he had to pass, he would find someone.

Speaker 1 It was just a good reminder that in the AFC, there are the haves and the have-nots in these playoffs. And

Speaker 1 the Ravens are the haves.

Speaker 1 This team is a Super Bowl championship-level team, and they do have to play possibly two other teams that are in that level, which is unfortunate. But they're just so good and so complete.

Speaker 7 Them and the Bills would have to beat three Super Bowl championship teams for the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It would be like the hardest Super Bowl road ever for each of those teams.
Unless the Texans. But then the Texans would technically be a Super Bowl level team if they were playing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because they beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 And if that happens, then we will go back and retroactively act like we said what Hank was saying all along. Yes.
And the Chiefs were the worst 15-win team of all time.

Speaker 1 Lamar also has the most career rushing yards in the playoffs by a QB. And he's only played, I think, seven playoff games.
That's just pretty good he is with his feet. And again, it's not like

Speaker 1 he was killing them with his feet. He was also killing killing them with his arm.
He was just playing a complete game.

Speaker 7 You have to say, if you look at the Ravens, they are as close to a complete team as you can get, with the exception maybe of their kicking game. Yeah.
Would you say that? They're so good right now.

Speaker 7 They didn't have to kick. They're so good right now that Justin Tucker might be their biggest weakness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they didn't have to kick.

Speaker 7 That's a good spot to be in.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 we should talk about the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin, the Steelers. The Steelers are now

Speaker 1 an eight-year playoff drought, playoff win drought, sorry.

Speaker 1 That is the longest, that's actually double the previous longest in Steelers' history since they kind of became the Steelers in 1972 when they were, you know, starting to win Super Bowls and stuff.

Speaker 1 The longest they had gone without a playoff win was four years previously.

Speaker 1 They are, Mike Tomlin is now,

Speaker 1 so he started his first four years in Pittsburgh. He was 5-2 in the playoffs.
He's 3-9 since.

Speaker 1 And in the eight-year drought,

Speaker 1 he's 0-6 in the playoffs, and they've given up 230 points.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin, bad.

Speaker 1 He's a great coach.

Speaker 1 I do think that it probably is time to move on to something different.

Speaker 7 You think move on from Mike Tomlin? The Steelers aren't going to do it, though.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I've thought about this, and

Speaker 1 I was reading articles and stuff last night because I couldn't sleep, and I was just like, because I want to understand because from the outside, we've had this conversation.

Speaker 1 The outside, the low of the Steelers season is getting to the playoffs, which almost every other fan base or a lot of fan base would be like, fuck, sign me up.

Speaker 1 Like, Mike Tomlin never had a losing season. That's what people say.

Speaker 1 There is a point, though, where it feels like the message is getting lost and there isn't growth.

Speaker 1 And you can point to the fact that they haven't had an answer at quarterback probably since the last three years of Ben, Kenny, Russ. like they haven't had a great quarterback.

Speaker 1 So they haven't been playing at the offensive level you need to play to win playoff games. And I would agree with that.
But also,

Speaker 1 they invest everything in their defense. And here's the six-game losing streak for the Steelers.
You ready for this? This is a crazy stat.

Speaker 1 Before the Steelers scored their first offensive touchdown in these six games that Mike Tallman has lost in a row, the Patriots are up 10-0.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars are up 21-0. The Browns are up 28-0.
The Chiefs were up 35-7.

Speaker 1 Shout out your TJ Wattbett. The Bills were up 21-0.

Speaker 1 The Ravens were up 21-0. So

Speaker 1 as much as you want to say offense, their defense has also failed them in the playoffs. And their defense has

Speaker 1 every single year basically regressed as the season's gone along.

Speaker 1 And I don't... Like, I think I side with the Steelers fans.

Speaker 1 He's done a great job. You're not saying he's a bad coach, but sometimes the message gets lost, and you have to change something.

Speaker 1 You have to shake something up because it's actually almost like a curse to have Mike Tomlin as your coach still because you're never bad enough to pick at the top of the draft to get a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you invest in defense, and you can't really win. Like, you can't win in today's NFL without an offense.

Speaker 7 I think that also their defense, by the time they get to the playoffs with these, like, just crazy, boring, substandard offenses, by the time they get there, their defense is sick of having to carry the team.

Speaker 7 Their defense is exhausted from somehow scrapping together a playoff team,

Speaker 7 getting enough wins to get in that by the time you get there and you have to play against another really good team, then they're just too gassed.

Speaker 7 They're too tired from having to do it week in and week out.

Speaker 1 And you can't. So the other part about Mike Tomlin is you can't say, well, oh, the offense stinks because we don't have a quarterback.
We don't have this. We don't have that.

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin has ultimate power in Pittsburgh. He signs off on every single draft pick.
He signs off on every coaching hire.

Speaker 1 The other thing I found, the rabbit hole, I didn't realize this was an argument that goes in Steelers' community, which I kind of feel like is

Speaker 1 a fair argument. Mike Tomlin basically has no coaching tree.
And you'd say, well, what the fuck does that matter?

Speaker 1 Who cares about a coaching tree?

Speaker 1 But it does kind of say that he's hiring older coaches that maybe aren't like he's not, he hasn't been cultivating like young innovative guys that are doing things differently like a Ben Johnson or you know like a Sean McVeigh or Mike McDaniel or like some of these guys Kyle Shanahan's coaching tree like some of these guys who are who are just spitting out young innovators of the game Mike Tomlin has not done that essentially for his entire like I looked at it Bruce Arians is kind of the only one you could throw out there and he already was on staff under Bill Cower.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I think there's a, like his way is an old school way that I think might be outdated and is hurting the Steelers, and they have to figure out a way to move on from him.

Speaker 7 He does love old guys. He loves old guys.
Dick LeBeau was his defensive coordinator for it felt like decades.

Speaker 1 Right. So that's part of the, like, he hasn't.

Speaker 7 But he also goes out and he gets old. Right.
He imports old guys. So, like, Danny Smith, their special teams coach that's always chewing on gum on the sidelines.
Brought him in.

Speaker 1 Todd Haley, after he got fired by the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 Arthur Smith. Yeah.
Like, great coach.

Speaker 1 Great coach. But, like, he, he gets guys and they, it's not like Todd Haley didn't go and

Speaker 1 he didn't go to Pittsburgh and then go off and be like, I think he's coaching high school football now. I know he went to Cleveland for a stop.
Matt Canada, like,

Speaker 1 where is he?

Speaker 7 I don't even know. Some different country.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. So

Speaker 1 it's like a hard one to figure out because, again, you don't want to... Mike Tomlin would get a job right away somewhere else.

Speaker 7 You know what really happened, though? If you look at the stats, the defense has been very, very good for the Steelers in the playoffs until a certain event happened.

Speaker 7 And then their playoff defense was permanently broken. What was that? That event was the 2017 playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Blake Bordelas hung 45 on them. Yeah.

Speaker 7 They lost 45, 42.

Speaker 1 Which it wasn't that close. It wasn't a lot of garbage.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was a backdoor 42 is what they got. So they gave up 45 points.
In the previous playoff, they gave up 12 points, 16 points. And then the New England Patriots in 2016 put 36 on them.

Speaker 7 That's forgivable. Yeah.
But their defense was still legit at that point. Then 45 points.

Speaker 7 Then in 2020, they gave up 48. Then 42, then 31, and now 28.
This was actually the...

Speaker 7 the least amount of points that the Steelers have given up in a playoff game since 2017. Excuse me, 2016.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Their last playoff win. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Blake Bortles broke them.
Blake Bortles broke them. I just,

Speaker 1 I was, I, again, I don't know why I thought about it for so long last night, but it, there, you, you see this sometimes where a coach will get fired, and it's not because he's like bad.

Speaker 1 It's because the message in like you're kind of going in the same direction over and over. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like you're not, you're just not progressing forward and you're kind of stuck in this rut. And that's what the Steelers feel like right now.

Speaker 1 It's not saying, oh, well, Mike Thomas never had a losing season, and if he got fired tomorrow, he would have a job the next day.

Speaker 1 I don't disagree with either of those statements, but it's just not working anymore.

Speaker 1 And what's the fix? Like, are they going to re-sign Russ? I don't think so. I don't know.
He did not look good.

Speaker 7 He did not, no. He had that nice deep ball to Georgie.
Besides that, not a lot. Justin Fields, I don't think he's the long-term answer.

Speaker 1 Right. We can do Aaron Rodgers, which is another one-year fix.
Like Band-Aid?

Speaker 7 Coach Gruden was saying he would take Daniel Jones.

Speaker 7 Daniel Jones

Speaker 7 would be intriguing just because his point was like, if you look at all the other players that the Giants have gotten rid of or not brought back, they all go somewhere else and play very well.

Speaker 3 He spent so much time in such a great room.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
He's in a great room.

Speaker 1 Kevin O'Connor talked about that room.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 1 would you, would you, what would you, and obviously Mike Tomlin's not going to get fired, and he also... is not going to get traded because he's a no-trade clause.

Speaker 1 So if

Speaker 1 he if he wanted to get like

Speaker 1 he would never allow himself to get traded because he could just be like, why would I go somewhere and give up draft capital? Why wouldn't I just quit and then just go pick my next job?

Speaker 7 Okay, so I think I have an idea for what they could do. How much does it cost to trade for the franchise tag? Is it two first rounders?

Speaker 1 I believe so.

Speaker 7 That's almost the perfect situation if you're the Steelers because you're always picking in the mid to late teens. Right.

Speaker 7 So you're never going to be in a position where you can draft a quarterback with Mike Tomlin. Right.
Where

Speaker 7 a lot of teams, if they are in the midst of what they feel like is a rut, they're usually one of the worst teams in the league. So that's not an option for the Steelers.
Two like

Speaker 7 18 overall picks or 17 overall picks for Sam Darnold,

Speaker 7 I think I might do that if the Vikings tag him.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold's not with Kevin O'Connell anymore.

Speaker 7 Do you have a better idea?

Speaker 1 I don't. I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 7 The best one I can come up with is

Speaker 7 if he gets gets tagged, trade for Sam Darnold. I think Arthur Smith can get something good out of Sam.

Speaker 1 I do too.

Speaker 1 I honestly think they'll defix, and Mike Talbin's coming back, so this is all kind of, we're just, it's going to be a hot topic, but I think Schefter even reported like his job's not in jeopardy.

Speaker 1 Like the Steelers should figure out a way to move on and suck for a year or two. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like they're kind of they're in this no man's land where they're just good enough to make the playoffs and they're not going to get a franchise quarterback and they're just going to keep spinning the wheels right now.

Speaker 1 Like they, they weren't close in this game. No.
And like that was, and you could make the case for the Chargers or the Broncos, like they have young quarterbacks. They're building something.

Speaker 1 They're on the ascent here. Like they're going to maybe hopefully get to that top level of the AFC.
The Steelers are not on the ascent. They're in the same spot they've been every year.

Speaker 7 Mm-hmm. Well, you say they don't show any signs of growth.
George Pickens would disagree with you. Yeah.
He said he's seen signs of growth from the offense.

Speaker 7 And then the reporter asked him, does that make you optimistic going forward? And he said, nah.

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 7 That's good. It's good to acknowledge that growth is not always good.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Sometimes it's okay to not grow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also,

Speaker 1 I saw Stat Steelers' last lead was December 8th.

Speaker 1 So the last five games, they didn't have a single lead in the game.

Speaker 7 Over a month?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Five games played, not a single lead.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 1 I just don't.

Speaker 1 Do you think Russ is where, like, what's going to happen to Russ?

Speaker 7 He's probably going to show up to the facility and give everybody pep talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was funny last night when he was doing a pep talk, and Jerry was just like, Yeah, that guy doesn't even play. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he's done, right?

Speaker 7 I think so.

Speaker 7 I don't know why you would pay Russ Wilson what Russell Wilson thinks he should be paid. Right.

Speaker 1 Maybe you pay him and you're like, maybe you pay him $1 million and you're like, for every pass you complete over the middle of the field, we'll give you another million dollars. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, so you could earn up to five million dollars this year.

Speaker 7 Yeah, incentives incentives for just not talking to people at practice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to get creative.

Speaker 7 There's no good solution for them. And again, it feels kind of weird to feel bad for a franchise or feel bad for fans of a franchise that are perennially in the playoffs.
They have six Super Bowls.

Speaker 7 Six Super Bowls. But I understand the frustration.
Right.

Speaker 1 I get it. I totally get it.
You are just stuck in absolute purgatory, which is kind of hard to do in the NFL.

Speaker 1 It happens in the NBA. It can happen in other sports.

Speaker 1 In the NFL, you're kind of either good or bad. They're just right in the middle.

Speaker 7 And also, Steelers fans kind of saw this coming in late September.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 Like, you knew exactly how the rest of the season was going to play out. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it had just enough intrigue this year where you had like a four and two starter in Justin Fields. You'd be like, what is he doing? And then you ripped off all those wins.

Speaker 1 And then you haven't led since December 8th.

Speaker 7 We did give a lot of credit to Mike Tomlin for making that change. Yeah.
Which took some balls.

Speaker 1 He's a very good coach. I just don't think that it's working anymore in Pittsburgh.
Yeah. And Pittsburgh doesn't doesn't fire coaches.
And I think he just signed an extension last year.

Speaker 1 So they're not going to fire him.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 I thought about it a lot because I feel like Steelers fans, this is going to be the talk in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to give at least a little hat tip to like discussing what everyone's going to be talking about in Pittsburgh. But yeah, the Ravens are just, they're on a different level.

Speaker 1 They play that game 100 times. The Ravens win 100 times.

Speaker 7 Ravens are insane. They can do anything they want on offense.
Yeah. Even without say flowers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm so excited for that matchup next week.

Speaker 7 I'm very excited too, but I've never been more confused about a game. Like, how it's going to shake out.
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were talking about just not even betting the game, just rooting for football.

Speaker 7 Yeah, just enjoying it.

Speaker 1 It's going to be enjoyable.

Speaker 7 I think I'll probably end up betting for touchdown scores on each team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just having fun, having a good time, watching the game.

Speaker 7 I'm going to bet on the boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also, the Ravens only had three penalties, which that's significant because it looks like they can play button-up.
Is Zay Flowers going to come back for this game? I don't know.

Speaker 7 I read a report last week saying that if he doesn't play this game, he should be back in time for the next round, but I don't know.

Speaker 7 I don't think they really know either.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's take a.

Speaker 7 I'll pump to Stavi right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
I mean, this is.

Speaker 1 The Ravens, like, this is going to be

Speaker 1 the Bills, Chiefs, and Ravens. All three of those teams have Super Bowl contending teams, and only one of them is going to make it out.

Speaker 3 Whoever wins that game has to beat the Texans.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Well,

Speaker 1 they'll have a whole playoff.

Speaker 3 Somehow the Chiefs can win that game.

Speaker 1 If the Chiefs can pull an upset on the Texans, then I guess you have to beat the Chiefs. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But they have to.

Speaker 1 They have to. They have to.

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Speaker 1 Bills 31, Broncos 7.

Speaker 1 Broncos up 7-0 in this game.

Speaker 7 First rookie-to-rookie touchdown pass in postseason history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a crazy stat.

Speaker 7 I didn't believe it at first. Bo Nix, Troy Franklin.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Teammates in Oregon. Wild.
Wild.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way,

Speaker 1 we didn't mention the Chargers and Texans with a scoregami.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, that's right. Playoff scoreigami.

Speaker 7 How rare is that?

Speaker 1 I usually care a lot about scoregamis. That's my bad.

Speaker 7 That's my bad. Very cool.

Speaker 1 Bills 31, Broncos 7.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Broncos

Speaker 1 for the first five minutes, you're like, watch out. And then we were reminded that the Bills are the Bills and they're just better.

Speaker 7 And I think we need to start respecting Khalil Shakir a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because

Speaker 7 he is a top-tier wide receiver. He doesn't get talked about like he is because his name wasn't Stefan Diggs and he didn't have the media attention all around him.

Speaker 7 But he can play. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Whether he's returning a kick out of the slot on the outside, he's a problem for defenses.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's very, very good. And this game was like

Speaker 1 the Broncos' defense played pretty well in the first half because they held him out of the end zone. I mean, I think they scored one touchdown, but

Speaker 1 they staged tough in the red zone. And then the second half started and Josh Allen was like, yeah, you know what? I'm going to do? We're going to run the ball down your throat.

Speaker 1 And then if I ever need to make an incredible throw, I'll just do that.

Speaker 7 I can do it because I've done it.

Speaker 1 That throw to Ty Johnson was so insane. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He was just running around, scrambling. Didn't look like anything was going to be open.
Throws to the back of the end zone, and he catches it with like his knee on the ground before his feet hit.

Speaker 7 It was insane, but you expect that type of stuff out of Josh.

Speaker 1 The one to Dalton Kincaid.

Speaker 7 Also, going into halftime, the Broncos were kicking a field goal to tie the game. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's wild when you think about the second half and how lopsided it was to think back to that moment. Like, if that was a 38-yarder? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Something like that. No, it's a little longer than that, I believe.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was a very makeable kick. It was.
And it was a very loud doink that he let out. And if he had made that kick 10-10 into halftime, second half probably turns out the same way.

Speaker 7 But just kind of weird to think that they played him to a tie at halftime.

Speaker 1 It was a 50-yarder.

Speaker 3 10-10, and he's out of bounds on that fourth and one.

Speaker 3 It's a game. It would have been a completely different game, I feel like.

Speaker 7 The 50-yarder is a lot longer. You know what it was? He hit it up so high on the upright.
That's just kickers, man.

Speaker 1 Here's what I didn't understand about this game. So,

Speaker 1 first of all, the Bills' offensive line is just monsters because they just ran it down the Broncos' throat. Like,

Speaker 1 over and over James Cook. I think he had 70, 80 yards in the first half.

Speaker 1 What I didn't understand about this game is I feel like Sean Payton started the game the correct way, being like, hey, we're over a touchdown underdogs in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Like, Josh Allen,

Speaker 1 if he's on, he's going to score. They're going to score every single time.
We got to steal possessions. We got to play aggressive.

Speaker 1 And, like, you saw it with the, you know, the Bonix touchdown deep shot. You saw it with the fake punt, which was a great call, perfect call.

Speaker 1 And then the second half started, and the Bills scored a touchdown, I believe, to start the second half. And then the Broncos went run, run, pass, punt.

Speaker 1 And then the Bills scored another touchdown, and they went run, run, pass punt. Like they just got, they kind of got a little conservative.
They didn't let Bonix just rip it.

Speaker 7 It was a little Kirk Signetti-like, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was just, it was weird.

Speaker 1 I thought they they were going to

Speaker 1 really embrace the role of underdog and be like, we have to do some crazy shit to have a chance in this game. Because you know, like, the Broncos are not as good as the Bills.

Speaker 1 If you play them straight up, the Bills will win. I thought Sean Pate was doing that in the second half.
I felt like he just abandoned that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they

Speaker 7 only had two sacks for the Broncos. If they were going to have a chance at this game, they were going to have to take Josh down way more than that.

Speaker 7 And yeah, the offensive line for the Bills, at one point, our friend Rudy, who is, I don't know if he, he, is he a Denver native? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He is Colorado. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He is as Colorado as it gets. He was just like...
National champion. Yeah, he was like, the Bills are just their offensive line is just so heavy.
Yeah. And he was right.

Speaker 7 They're mall. They just leaned on him.
Dawkins was just bowling people over. At one point, Dawkins, like, picked up James Cook and dragged him for a first down on his own.

Speaker 1 I think he also, like, put one of the defenders, the Broncos defenders out for the game by just, like, hitting him hard enough.

Speaker 7 Yeah, hit him hard in the shoulder, right? Yeah. Yeah, knocked him out.
It looked like he separated his shoulder. The Bills also looked like a very complete team.

Speaker 1 Yes, very much so. I mean, their defense is still a question mark, but they answered the question mark, at least against the Broncos.

Speaker 7 And they finally threw the ball downfield to Curtis Samuel. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Curtis Samuel had a 55-yard touchdown? Yeah. Yeah, they did it all.

Speaker 1 They played, much like the Ravens, this was like a tune-up game for the Bills versus Ravens because it was, even though it felt close in the first half, That second half was just an absolute demolition, and it was never close in the second half.

Speaker 7 The thing I'll I'll say nice about the Broncos, obviously, this is free money. This game was like, oh, yeah, I got some nice things.

Speaker 1 Great season for the Broncos.

Speaker 7 You're very happy if you're a Broncos fan. You probably would have liked to make this more competitive or win the game, obviously.
But you're happy. This is a good season for you.

Speaker 7 I think they have the most dead cap in NFL history.

Speaker 1 $85 million.

Speaker 7 So that's Russ Wilson. That's a contract that you correctly

Speaker 7 decided to cut your losses and move on from.

Speaker 7 And with Bo Nix, with Bo Nix and Cortland Sutton together, if you're putting together like an NBA Jam team where you can only have two guys out there on offense,

Speaker 7 that's one of the better combos that's a fun one. Because Cortland Sutton is really, really good.
And Bo Nix, obviously, he's going to be a great quarterback.

Speaker 7 Although I did see, I saw something in one of the pregame shows where they were talking about Sean Payton's offense and how complicated it is to learn for a quarterback.

Speaker 7 And some of his play calls are like, they take seven or eight seconds to say out loud. That's got to suck if you're a quarterback in that system.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like, how much time do you have to spend just memorate and paying attention?

Speaker 1 But Bo Nick's professional. He's got his book back.
That's true. He's ready to go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Sean Payton's halftime speech was or halftime interview was where I was like, oh, this game is over. Because he came out and was like, we got to control the ball more.

Speaker 1 We got to just control the ball. It's like, no, you got to score points.

Speaker 7 That's kind of the vibe of them. It's like, we're going to try to run the football.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 We're going to put forth our best foot and try to run the football, but they just weren't able to.

Speaker 1 Also, credit to the Bills for the report came out before the game that they deliberately were putting Von Miller on a snap count in the regular season so they'd be fresh for the playoffs. That showed.

Speaker 1 Full circle.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that showed.

Speaker 1 Full circle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but the Broncos,

Speaker 1 obviously you're upset if you're a Broncos fan, but in a weird way,

Speaker 1 this loss,

Speaker 1 it's not a good loss because you lost the playoffs, but... You got your asses kicked, and it's like

Speaker 1 you're the second youngest roster in the NFL. You had $85 million in dead cap.
Similar to the Chargers, you did not think you were going to be a playoff team this year.

Speaker 1 And the Bills, there's levels to this. Like the Bills are on a different level as a football team.
You're trying to get to that level. You got your rookie quarterback start in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Like everything

Speaker 1 in this Broncos season was a win outside of today. But like long term, this was a great, great season that you'll hopefully look back on and be like, that was the start of something special.

Speaker 1 You have a super, a ton of young guys played all year. You got like the dead cap money is going to get fixed, and you got your quarterback.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Great season.
Like great, great season.

Speaker 7 I'd say is this an A, A plus season?

Speaker 1 I'd say it's A.

Speaker 7 Should we grade seasons? I think it's an A. I think it's an A season.
I think it's an A season. I would say an A minus season for the Chargers.
I would agree.

Speaker 1 I would agree because you were favorites and you lost that game. Yep.
Also,

Speaker 1 I don't want to be the uniform police, but I hated the Broncos uniforms.

Speaker 7 Yeah, go with the classics.

Speaker 1 Just go, like, it drives me insane. The Broncos have some of the nicest uniforms in the entire NFL.

Speaker 1 Like, they have uniforms that they can put out there that are, like, make you feel nostalgic about life. Yeah.
Go with those. Go with the all-whites and the blue helmet.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't like the orange pants.

Speaker 1 The orange pants. The orange pants were ridiculous.

Speaker 7 We say you don't want to be uniformed police.

Speaker 1 Yes, you do. Yeah, I don't want to be.
Well, I saw the uniforms. Like, they got no chance.

Speaker 7 I'm like the guy that buys that light at the hardware store and puts it in my car so so I can pretend I'm a cop. I do want to be the uniform police.

Speaker 1 And I've said this before, like when I went on my rant about the Packers, whatever, Snow White uniforms and princess uniforms.

Speaker 1 I hold teams with history to a different standard. So it's almost a compliment.
Like, I think the Broncos have an incredible franchise history and have incredible uniforms in their bag.

Speaker 1 I hold you to a different standard. I want you to bring to the playoffs.
I want you to bring the best uniforms.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like if the the Jaguars were in the playoffs,

Speaker 1 wear whatever goofy shit you want to wear. The Rams and Chargers can wear whatever the fuck they want.
Yeah. Because I know that they have like a million different areas.

Speaker 1 Even the Seahawks, like they do weird uniforms. Who cares? Yeah, it's fine.
The Broncos, like, that's John Elway. You got to, there's classic playoff games that you can look up the footage to.

Speaker 1 That's what I want to see when I watch the Broncos in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 Maybe Sean Payton went with these uniforms because he knew he was going to lose and he didn't want to add, he didn't want to sully the legacy of the great Denver uniforms with a loss.

Speaker 7 That's a great point. So he is protecting the brand.

Speaker 1 So when the Broncos bring out their classic uniforms, we know that they have a real team.

Speaker 7 Yes, that's how you know. So we always think, oh, I feel like they always win in these uniforms.
Well, it's because their coach knows that they're better when they wear them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so yeah, Max just pulled up, I think it's the 91 AFC Championship game, and the Broncos are wearing the all-whites with the blue helmets.

Speaker 7 I do awesome. I also like these Bills throwbacks with the red helmet.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Also, shout out that one guy in Bill's mafia that was in the end zone.

Speaker 7 Sport coat, big belly hanging over, giant twisted T in his hand and the Buffalo Wing necklace and the top hat. That was just like Bill's Mafia just still down to a human being.

Speaker 1 King Bill's Mafia.

Speaker 1 Hank, what did you think about this game?

Speaker 1 I know you talked yourself into the Broncos.

Speaker 3 The Bronc, like you said, the fake punt worked, but they didn't make anything out of it. They missed the field goal to tie it up at halftime.

Speaker 3 If they, you know, got some points there, tied it up at halftime, and then that fourth and one, like, they got, that was a great play by Josh, but it was, you know, inches away from

Speaker 1 incomplete. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, as much as it was a blowout, like, the Broncos were also very much, they were alive in that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They were just getting run on, though.

Speaker 3 Like, I still don't think they would have won, but, like, I think

Speaker 1 a couple plays could have made it closer. Yeah.
I'd agree with that. I just think the Bills are just, again, like, there's three teams in the AFC that are on a different level.

Speaker 1 It's the Bills, the Ravens, and the Texans.

Speaker 1 Those three teams,

Speaker 1 those three teams are just playing at a different level come January. Yep.
Everyone else is just hoping to win a playoff game.

Speaker 7 I can't wait for the Bills Ravens game.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy it's the last game, too.

Speaker 1 I feel like that Sunday, or yeah, that Sunday late spot divisional round is always, I feel like that's always the big, big game.

Speaker 3 This is when it's like officially, officially playoffs. Like, that's a game you'll think about all week.
Yeah. Every day this week.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And you know what? I said it when it went.

Speaker 3 When is Lion, I mean, when is Bills Ravens?

Speaker 1 When the Bills went up 28-7, I was like, this is why we watch sports for the Bills Ravens. This is why we put in the hours.
This is why we lift the weights. This is why you

Speaker 1 are maybe from the outside world looked at as somewhat pathetic.

Speaker 1 Like the people who were trashing Tate and Titus and saying they weren't men because they were celebrating Ohio State and Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 7 Yeah, instead of watching sports, you should be out there participating in mutual combat. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That guy, he doesn't have Bills Ravens in his life.

Speaker 7 He doesn't. And you know what? This is game.

Speaker 3 This was crazy.

Speaker 3 It was a pretty normal gambling cave clip.

Speaker 1 I thought it was very funny. Yeah, let me read it.
I think I bookmarked a couple of them because there was a couple.

Speaker 7 This is a game that you're going to have to be prepared for. You're going to have to be ready as a fan.

Speaker 7 Even if you're not a fan specifically of the Ravens or the Bills, you got to bring your A-game to watch this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So there was one person who said there was two of them.

Speaker 3 It was Taton Titus after the Jack Sawyer fumble recovery touchdown. They were just celebrating and dry humping the air.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Scroll Scroll up.
Pretty, pretty standard. Yeah, so this person came out.
I mean, these guys are actually.

Speaker 1 I assume these guys are just like Andrew Tate, like

Speaker 1 adjacent. He said it is utterly embarrassing how men have become bystanders of fake combat instead of active martial participants.
It is a very funny clip because Tate is just dry humping a football.

Speaker 1 Who is this guy?

Speaker 7 Arthur Kwan Lee?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then there was another guy,

Speaker 1 Z Rebirth369, said, gayest shit I've ever seen. Whole country is dying, and they only feel passion when watching men touch each other.

Speaker 7 Good point.

Speaker 1 What? Wait, guys can't watch sports anymore?

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 7 They're kind of boys touching each other.

Speaker 1 Like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 Since

Speaker 1 when is it wrong to watch sports with your boys?

Speaker 7 It's not.

Speaker 1 And guess what? Those two guys, they think we're losers. You don't have Bills Ravens to look forward to.
And I'm banning both of those guys from watching Bills Ravens.

Speaker 7 And I would also like to know when they thought that the country was great because there's always been sports. Yeah.
Bread and circus. Always been sports.

Speaker 1 And since the Romans

Speaker 7 did sports. It's a hell of a circus.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a great circus. I love this.
And guess what? The circus makes us forget all our problems. And this is going to be

Speaker 7 such a circus coming to town this weekend.

Speaker 1 We literally do bread and circus in this office every single Sunday where they just throw food at us and we watch sports and we forget all the world's problems. Yeah, wait.

Speaker 1 And it's the best existence. And I think a lot of people listening right now do the same thing every Sunday.

Speaker 7 Entertainment and carbs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bad? Oh, no.

Speaker 1 But then you won't be thinking about how bad everything is. Yeah.
Yeah, that's the point. That's literally the point.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 How about instead of worrying about whether or not a guy is going to cross an imaginary line on a field, you focus on real issues like immigration. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, you guys watched three hours of a football game. Well, I thought long and hard about Ukraine.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who had a better Sunday?

Speaker 1 Me.

Speaker 7 I did.

Speaker 7 I had a great weekend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a lot better of a Sunday.

Speaker 1 Okay. Anything else for Bill's Broncos?

Speaker 1 Broncos get better uniforms.

Speaker 7 DeMar should not have celebrated the interception. He knew that he didn't pick it off.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he did because he looked shocked when they overturned it. Yeah.
He had that face where he was like, what?

Speaker 7 That's true. I always wonder that when they go to like a replay and it's a bang-bang play where a guy traps the ball off the ground a little bit.

Speaker 1 In the moment, if you're diving on the ground, do you know that that you did yeah look at that look at his face he did not he thought he caught it yeah he also that's a total non-story if it's anyone but demar correct like demar gets tomorrow gets clowned i got a question for you about when did

Speaker 7 when did when did demar become like a joke because he died i don't know because it was a pretty incredible story what happened to him correct but it happened in the last like maybe year no i mean people were doing the clone shit like right away but that was different but some people actually thought it it was a clone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Billy. That was different.

Speaker 1 That was like, there's fucked up shit they're not telling us. Now it's like

Speaker 1 people,

Speaker 1 it feels like there's some people that are actively rooting

Speaker 1 against Damar

Speaker 1 just because he almost died on a football field.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that no, they hate him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's very bizarre. It is.
I've noticed the same thing. Do you think it was a fake punt?

Speaker 7 It might have been the fake punt. That fake punt was.
It might have been the fake punt. That was a funny thing.
Because it felt like they were doing the fake punt

Speaker 7 to put the spotlight on, like, thank you for coming back, Damar.

Speaker 1 And, like, not only, like, take the whole fact that he almost died in a football field. He was a fringe player, special teams player that has worked his way into the starting rotation.

Speaker 1 Like, that should be applauded.

Speaker 7 And I think his whole mission is to put defibrillators in schools. Really good mission.
Everywhere.

Speaker 1 If you have kids,

Speaker 1 you should be a pro-Damar guy. Yeah.
Were you going to say something, Max? You don't like Damar?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to show you.

Speaker 1 I like Damar. Oh, okay.
You like Tamar? I just wanted to show the ref Josh Allen. Oh, yeah, yeah.
So did you hear afterwards?

Speaker 1 So there was a

Speaker 1 red zone trip where the Bills, there was definitely a hold that they missed, and Josh Allen yelled at the refs. So there was a clip coming out of the commercial where, was it Bill Vinovich,

Speaker 1 went up to Josh Allen, went to the sideline to talk to him, and obviously, everyone was like, I cannot believe the ref is apologizing to Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen, after the game, said that's not what was happening. The ref came up to him to tell him, hey, stop yelling at us.
Like,

Speaker 1 we miss calls. If you keep yelling at us, like, it's not going to fix anything.

Speaker 7 I think it was the mutual hand touching and then the pat on the head. Yeah.
It was they gave each other a side hug.

Speaker 1 So the conversation was not, hey, I'm sorry, Josh. We'll get you on the next one.
It was, hey, Josh, could you stop being an asshole to us, I guess? So that totally changes it.

Speaker 7 How many, wait, did the imagine if Patrick Mahomes did this, the media would go nuts? Did that become a big thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think that was driven, yeah, by a lot of, I do like

Speaker 1 it becomes a real rivalry. Like when the Chiefs and the Bills, imagine the outrage on the Sabbath.
They showed a ref touching Patrick Mahomes the way they did just now with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 That's when you know, and I know the Bills haven't beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs, so you like rivalry, I put in quotes here, but like chiefs fans hate bills fans yeah and bills fans hate chiefs fans because they're going to use this clip to fight a turf war between josh allen and which they should you know what this is ammunition for that war this is ammunition for the picture of patrick mahomes kissing the the ref on the lips which i'm still not sure if that's real or not no that's real it looks very real yeah so whenever that gets posted now they have instant comeback yeah yeah they're like look at this and this is realer yeah this actually happened some would say yeah um good good job producing max We forgot to mention that.

Speaker 1 People would have been mad. That was memes.
Oh, memes. Memes, take a victory lap.
What do you want to say?

Speaker 1 I would like to thank myself. Oh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 Memes is one of the turf war guys.

Speaker 1 You were pissed that the ref was going up to him.

Speaker 7 Oh, as a Jets fan?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Now it makes sense.
Yeah. No, no, no, no.
Yeah, you were.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were mad.

Speaker 7 You were saying to show the Josh Allen thing. Yeah.
Not knowing that Big Cat was going to to say, oh, Josh said that the ref was saying, stop yelling at me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Penalized. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, that's not it. Chiefs fans were getting mad at me because I tweeted out the ref apologizes, Josh Allen.
Hashtag some things. And they were saying very mean things.

Speaker 1 I thought you were on the side of the Chiefs fans there. Oh, fuck.
We forgot to mention that Boltman, which I think was a, it's a fake Boltman man.

Speaker 7 It's a fake Boltman. It's like DeMar.

Speaker 1 That's the worst. That was partially why the Chargers lost.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 that looks like.

Speaker 1 Oh, you maxed Boltman?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and then somebody took it and it went viral. Oh, I love it.
This fake Boltman looks like Drill.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's not Boltman.

Speaker 1 No, it's not.

Speaker 1 I think the original Boltman sold his Boltman.

Speaker 7 For like 50K.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he was so sick that they left San Diego.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Eagles, 22, Packers, 10. Maxie.

Speaker 1 Ugly game.

Speaker 1 Rust. Quarterback had some rust that he had to work out.
Defense was phenomenal. Defense was very good.
Jordan Love stinks.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 A lot of pressure from that D line.

Speaker 1 Made the quarterback look not so great.

Speaker 1 Defense was really, really good.

Speaker 1 Both lines were really, really good. Saquon was really, really good.
Some things to work on for next week, but you'll take that win 10 times out of 10.

Speaker 7 Are you concerned with the play calling?

Speaker 1 I'm concerned with a win.

Speaker 7 Oh, okay. I was just asking.

Speaker 7 It sounds like you're a little touchy about that question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a little touchy.

Speaker 7 A normal answer to that would be, no, I thought Kellen Moore did a great job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm not worried.

Speaker 7 Your answer tells me that you might be a little bit worried.

Speaker 1 You got very defensive there. Well, I mean, the Eagles won 22-10.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was a one-score game at any

Speaker 1 time up until the end of the day.

Speaker 1 It was definitely a one-score game. I think the Eagles win 100%.

Speaker 7 I think they're a very, very, very good team. I think they could win the Sports Game.

Speaker 1 A one-score game with the Packers having.

Speaker 7 But you are getting very defensive about a simple question, Max.

Speaker 1 Well, it was like the Eagles just dominated that game and then immediately like... And so are you worried about the play calling of Kellen Moore and the Philadelphia Eagles?

Speaker 7 I'm asking that because they were

Speaker 1 the fucking Bucs. The Bucks just shot shit on their pants in the fourth quarter.
Congrats.

Speaker 1 Calm down, Max. I'm trying to do a podcast here.
I know, but I mean, the Eagles just dominated the game, and

Speaker 1 you're immediate just. What do you think about the play calling? Not defensive.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, Max, I'm going to defend you here. We talked about the game

Speaker 1 in the previous three games. I don't think you have any problem with the play calling, judging by this reaction.
No, no problem with the play calling. That's my answer.

Speaker 1 That sounded exactly like a guy who has no issues with play calling.

Speaker 1 He just went straight to the Commanders.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, you guys, you dominated that game.

Speaker 1 There was a little bit of a Chargers vibe in the first half where everything went perfect and you were only up 10, especially with

Speaker 1 the fumble on the opening kickoff and a touchdown four plays later. And you're like, oh, this is going to be easy.
And then

Speaker 1 you struggled. The offense did struggle for the first half.
Jalen Hurts looked like he was... still concussed a little bit.

Speaker 1 But they made some big plays in the second half, and it was never a doubt. You're right.
The Packers never had the ball down one possession.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, there was never like, oh, shit, this is a drive where we could give up the lead.

Speaker 1 And it's always a little bit more comfortable watching a game that way. Yeah.
So I'm happy with the way that it turned out.

Speaker 1 There's one, if, if I'm being honest, there's one thing that I'm concerned about, and that's the kicker. Yeah.
The kicker is a big issue.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Hank has a question.

Speaker 3 No, continue.

Speaker 1 What's your question? No, no, I would. I would like.

Speaker 1 I'm more interested in what you have to say.

Speaker 3 Loser talk question of the show.

Speaker 3 Because you just said they never had the ball down one possession. You said it was nice to watch, kind of easy game.
You tweeted in the middle of the game, we're going to lose this game.

Speaker 1 Oh. But yeah.
That's good. Yeah.
Good producing. Yeah, yeah.
That was investigative journalism by Henry Lockwood there. They loser talk.
Correct. But

Speaker 1 inside the lines, I'm not accountable for what I say. Okay.
That's fair.

Speaker 7 All the great ones say that.

Speaker 1 You just can't. You can't.
Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Why did you think that? Because I am an anxious.

Speaker 1 I think the world's. You're a loser.

Speaker 1 We won. But that was you.

Speaker 7 What made you say that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was Jake Elliott. I think it was probably after the missed extra point because that's like

Speaker 1 such a thing that happens. Like you miss an extra point and it comes back to bite you in the ass.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 The injuries, not great today.

Speaker 1 Nikobe Dean, that's bad. That's the only injury, but it's really bad.

Speaker 7 Is Slay totally good?

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 came back in the game.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I know he came back in.

Speaker 1 I mean, I assume if he came back in the game, that'll be playing next week.

Speaker 1 In terms of Packers' playoff losses, this one didn't scratch the itch as much because,

Speaker 1 like, one, I didn't think they were that good because they lost to the Bears, who are not good. So I was like, well, they're not very good.
And then, two, every Packers player got injured.

Speaker 1 So that's, and I'm not saying, like,

Speaker 1 it's an excuse that I actually believe, like, I don't know if the Packers would have ever won that game, but like they had a moment where their top three wide receivers weren't playing anymore and their best offensive linemen.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I kind of got robbed. And then that feel of that, like, feeling of like, ha ha, yeah.
Because it was like, yeah, your whole team just got injured. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then when they were driving with the ball, I think they threw a pass to their fifth string wide receiver who didn't put his feet inbound. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was kind of the moment where I was like, I really want to be enjoying this, but it's like they don't have literally anyone left.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like if that was Romeo Dobbs that did that, or if it was Christian Watson that did that, you'd be like, ha ha, losers. Right.
But now it's like, this is kind of what you expect.

Speaker 1 Or if the Packers were healthy and they like just barely lost, they're like, wow, we could have gone on a run. Like, I think Packers fans probably were watching that game, watching everyone get hurt.

Speaker 1 They're like, if we have to play next week against the Lions, we're fucked. Yeah.
Like that, they just were

Speaker 1 ripped apart with injuries.

Speaker 1 I do think Jordan Love is like,

Speaker 1 for everyone who's like, oh, he's the next in line. Like, I don't, I don't see see it.

Speaker 7 He's good. He's not.
His picks were pretty bad today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's not. He doesn't.
I know he's still young.

Speaker 1 He's like 32 or something.

Speaker 1 But he's. And I know it's only his second year, but it's not like

Speaker 1 he had a really awesome

Speaker 1 eight-game stretch last year. Got paid $55 million.

Speaker 1 He was okay this year through a lot of interceptions. He had a good stretch at the end of the season as well.

Speaker 7 But I...

Speaker 1 I don't think he's like some... Do you guys agree? Like, do you think he's

Speaker 1 going to... right now? Would you say Jordan Love's going to be like a top three, top five quarterback? Because that's what Rodgers and Favre.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, here's what I would say: is on the broadcast when they're talking about the passing of the torch, and they say, first it was Favre, then it went to Rodgers, now it's on Love.

Speaker 7 I don't think that one of those three is like the other, or one of those

Speaker 1 dragon meme. Exactly.

Speaker 7 But I think he's a good quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he could get better, and this could all look really stupid by me, but it's not.

Speaker 1 So far, I'm not like, holy shit, this guy's insane.

Speaker 7 I think he's he's a good quarterback yeah he's a good quarterback yeah

Speaker 1 he's following two hall of famine and that's a great thing to have yeah also

Speaker 1 as much as I want to relish in the Packers losses which I am very happy that you you beat them max because again I it was a little different this year because I think I said it two weeks ago where I was like I don't think they're a problem anymore like I just did they didn't beat any really good teams this year they went they lost twice to the Vikings they lost twice to the to the lions pretty much lost twice to the bears pretty much lost twice to the Bears.

Speaker 1 They were just not in that. If we're going levels again, they were never in that upper level of the NFC.
But they are, and it hurts me to say, they are the youngest roster in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And I do think knowing how the Packers run as an organization, they'll probably be really fucking good next year.

Speaker 7 And you've got a great head coach. Matt LaFleur is an awesome head coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Josh Jacobs, great running back.

Speaker 1 Love watching that guy. That's a big boy run.

Speaker 7 There were a couple big boy runs in this game.

Speaker 1 Dallas Goddard.

Speaker 7 That one, one, at one point, Josh Jacobs dragged a defender, I think, like five yards onto the ground who was grabbing onto the back of his shirt, which somehow didn't rip.

Speaker 7 It just stretched for like five yards.

Speaker 7 That's a dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I want to, I want to be happier, but the injuries and the fact that the Packers are so young, like the end of Rodgers was fun because it was like he's getting older and older and older and the window's closing.

Speaker 1 I know how the Packers run their organization.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they're fucking going to nail their draft picks and all their receivers are going to end up being awesome and come back, and it's going to be like, fuck.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And everything I just said about Jordan Love is going to be wrong.

Speaker 7 Are they going to start drafting wide receivers in the first round, like all the time now, for Jordan Love?

Speaker 1 That'd be very funny. It would be.
Yeah. Just make him happy.
I've seen some like weird, like, Matt LaFleur's should be fired. Like, that's the dumbest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I actually think that Jordan Love, if you didn't have Matt LaFleur, would probably be struggling more.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Imagine Malik Willis without Matt LaFleur.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 7 Max, another question for you. A.J.
Green, Brown, A.J. Brown, different color,

Speaker 7 reading a book on the sidelines.

Speaker 7 What book was it and why was he reading it?

Speaker 1 It was a motivational book. I will pull it up.
I will pull up his tweet because he addressed it via X, the everything app.

Speaker 1 Everything happens on X.

Speaker 7 He is the media.

Speaker 1 He is the media. I am struggling to find his Twitter.

Speaker 1 Dah.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? He has some.

Speaker 1 Oh, there it is. Wait, no, this isn't it.
Okay. Okay, find it.
Yeah, inner excellence. Achieve extraordinary business success through mental toughness.

Speaker 1 And he says he reads it. What are you looking for? He's like.

Speaker 1 His quote? Yeah.

Speaker 1 About it? He tweeted about it. Why can't I find his quote? Way farther into a book than LeBron ever has been.
That's a fact, right?

Speaker 7 I'm enjoying Max.

Speaker 1 I mean, why can't I find his fucking Twitter? This is bad. Memes.
Do you want to help help us?

Speaker 7 This is 1k always open. Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 1 Memes and hanker. This is a fake one, though.
I'm also enjoying it.

Speaker 1 It's a good thing that you're struggling this much because, like, if.

Speaker 7 Would you like me to read it for you?

Speaker 1 Did you find it? I'd be worried if you weren't struggling this bad. I'd be like, man, this guy might be worried about play calling.
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 7 But it's clear that

Speaker 1 you're not worried about play calling because you're not flustered at all through this whole Packers Eagles recap. Got it.
No, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 You're reading it? You ready? Yeah. This game is 90% mental and 10% physical for me.
I bring it to every game and I read it between each drive.

Speaker 1 I use it to refocus and lock in despite what may transpire in the game, good or bad. People tend to create controversy when they don't know the truth.

Speaker 1 I have a question. Question.

Speaker 1 When he said good or bad, which one do you think it was today?

Speaker 1 Good. They won the game.
But you

Speaker 1 do you think AJ Brown was having a good time today? Yeah, they won. They won a playoff game.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Do you think he was having a good time with the play calling?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 He looks happy in this post-game interview. I don't know what he's saying.
But he looks happy. He doesn't look mad.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, no, it was good. So

Speaker 1 three targets for A.J. Brown.
One catch, 10 yards. One win.
Okay.

Speaker 7 Do you think it's always this book?

Speaker 1 It says that it's this book.

Speaker 7 So he's been reading.

Speaker 1 I mean, this book, that doesn't look like a LeBron book. That's a well-worn book.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we need a book report from you on this book.

Speaker 7 He also has highlighted passages, underlined passages.

Speaker 7 He really loves this book. But I'm just wondering

Speaker 1 if he had 100 yards and a touchdown and Kellen Moore was just calling a great game and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Do you think he goes to the book?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. Or do you think he likes high fives and like cheap? He probably goes to therapy and like they...

Speaker 1 That's not what I asked. I don't know.
I wasn't really paying attention. I was reading the quotes.
All right, I'll ask the question again.

Speaker 1 And then maybe you can read the quote for us. If A.J.
Brown had 100 yards and a touchdown and nine catches, do you think he's reading the book or do you think he's like having fun on the sideline?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know if you heard what I said. He said, transpire in the game good or bad.
Right, but he might have just put the word good in there and really meant bad.

Speaker 1 See, so you're calling him a liar? No, I'm just saying he might have.

Speaker 1 He also may not have. That's also true.
Yeah. Everything's on the table right now when we're discussing this book.
Correct. I have a question.
You have the monkey.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the man for his word. Okay.

Speaker 1 What's up, Pit Stain guy over there?

Speaker 7 Do you think the game is nine?

Speaker 7 Max never having pit stains. Come on, man.
Yeah, that was a bad. Come on, Max.

Speaker 1 I mean, your ass crack is probably showing right now. Yeah.
Not pit stains.

Speaker 7 Do you think 90% mental, 10% physical is a good breakdown?

Speaker 1 For him. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That laughed laughed me.

Speaker 1 Because he said for

Speaker 1 last.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his ass is out for sure.

Speaker 7 Me just watching it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got a chair.

Speaker 7 I'm not sure that the whole physical put together in this thing is the battle you want to pick with anybody, Max, because you, yeah, your butt gets a lot of screen time.

Speaker 1 You can't even see it. I got a back to the chair.

Speaker 7 Would you like in a game like this where he is limited, how many catches did he have?

Speaker 1 He had one catch, three targets.

Speaker 7 Would you rather he maybe cranks it up to 15% physical?

Speaker 1 We won the game. 10%.
We won the game. We did win the game.
So, looking ahead,

Speaker 1 besides your issues with the play calling, what do you need to fix going into next week?

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts will be less rusty, so just like getting more reps in practice this week will be good.

Speaker 1 I agree with that. We'll have one extra day of practice that our opponent will not have.
That'll be helpful. What if they're like Jalen Hurts was so bad, they should put him back in the protocol?

Speaker 1 Just double-check. He wasn't that bad.
100%. I mean, he wasn't good.
111 quarterback rating. You would die for that.
Okay. In a playoff game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he wasn't like. Through two touchdowns.
Okay. Won the game.

Speaker 1 When we needed to ice the game, he led a great drive that finished with a Dallas Goddard touchdown.

Speaker 7 Okay. All right.
So, Max, who do you want? Vikings or the Rams?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 1 That is a good question. Call someone out.

Speaker 1 that is if i had to choose i'm i you know what i you got to beat good teams no no don't cop it out no but that's what you that's what if i were to answer that question that's what you would say

Speaker 1 just tell us which team you want to lead with that yeah i would lead with that you you want you'll you'll play whoever wins but but gun to my head yeah but gun to my head if you had to tell me that i had to pick a team i would i would pick the rams really

Speaker 1 We handled the Rams in that first game.

Speaker 1 Their defense could not stop with a run. Saquon won for like like 20 years.
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

Speaker 7 And the Rams' offenses look bad. I don't know how they're going to be tonight.

Speaker 1 And they would have to travel from L.A. to Philly and the Coles.
Well, actually, they travel Arizona to L.A. to Philly.
True. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Rams are going to win tomorrow, but

Speaker 1 I think that,

Speaker 1 given my

Speaker 1 thought process, I would say that I would like... I don't know where I'm going.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying where. Let's see.
Who's happy with the play call?

Speaker 1 Who knew that

Speaker 1 a simple question of, are you happy with the play calling would just lead us to cinematic? Whatever's happened in the last 15 minutes. No, it was condescending.

Speaker 7 It was a question.

Speaker 7 It's so my job as a member of the media to ask those tough questions, Max.

Speaker 1 It's so clear you're upset about the play calling. Just say it.
I'm happy with a win. And

Speaker 1 you can go back, look at the tape, and learn from things. Everything is a learning.

Speaker 1 a learning experience, and we will learn from this and be better for next week.

Speaker 7 Okay. Okay.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you you for beating the Packers. And Jalen Hurts will be less rusty.
Yes. Thank you for beating the Packers.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good thing to also play. No.

Speaker 1 Those are two separate things. Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 What would you grade the Packers season?

Speaker 1 I would say it would be.

Speaker 1 No way. Way worse than that.

Speaker 1 People were picking them for the Super Bowl. They were.
Schrager. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 RIP to the Schrager streak. Yeah.

Speaker 7 They kind of got dealt a bad hand, though, with the injuries.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Walik Willis won games.

Speaker 7 I guess, okay, so if you're looking at it, like, just straight up grade as a whole, the outcome of the season. Yeah, probably, yeah, definitely worse than a B.

Speaker 7 I'm saying a B given what they were dealing with today. I'd say overall.

Speaker 1 It's probably a B because they are the youngest roster.

Speaker 7 C.

Speaker 1 They're the youngest roster in the NFL. It's like, what would you grade it under like a regular, if you laid it all out and you didn't say this is the Green Bay Packers?

Speaker 1 I think Packers fans are different because they, like, they're used to winning playoff games and, you know, that kind of thing. So they, they grade it differently.

Speaker 1 But if you laid out all the facts, took the logo off the helmet, you'd probably say B.

Speaker 7 Say B minus C plus.

Speaker 1 They're going to fucking be good next year. I just know it.
I just know it. They're just going to, they always just draft someone who's just like, how'd this guy get good?

Speaker 1 And it's just like, oh, and Jaden Reed's going to be

Speaker 1 the best receiver somehow. Christian Watson, well, Christian Watson, I think, is ACL.
But

Speaker 1 I just know it. And Josh Jacobs is good.

Speaker 7 Very good.

Speaker 1 Really, really good. But Jordan Love's not good.
I think he's good. Go to bed thinking that.
No, he's not. Max, you back me up.
He was so...

Speaker 1 That pick to Zach Bond was horrific. Horrific.
It was a, I don't know.

Speaker 7 Egregious.

Speaker 1 How do you just not see the guy right in the middle of your vision? Yeah. I don't know.
He just threw it right to him.

Speaker 1 When he doesn't run RPOs and play actions, he's not like as a straight-up pocket passer. I just don't, I haven't been overly impressed.

Speaker 7 Also, shout out to Philly for having the Sachs guy playing the national anthem.

Speaker 1 Oh, that right now. God, Vanya Sachs?

Speaker 7 Vanya Sachs. Vanya Sachs.
That guy, that guy can get it. That was incredible.

Speaker 1 Not as that sounds sexual. No, I mean, that's fine.
The saxophone is the most sexual instrument by far.

Speaker 3 And they just let Gilly, like, come out with the team. Yeah.
Like, those videos are so funny.

Speaker 1 And the bald eagle. Oh, what a scene.
Yeah, Max is replaying it. That was a really bad interception.
You can't throw that one.

Speaker 1 All right. Did you guys you guys you guys didn't score off that, though?

Speaker 1 Oh, that. Wait, no.
We did. Is it at the end of the second quarter? Because his halftime was 10 out of 10.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you score? Was it the play calling?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 It was just. It was unrelated to the play calls.

Speaker 1 It was just a bad vacant bad. What were the play calls after that?

Speaker 1 It was incomplete, incomplete.

Speaker 1 Penalty. Penalty.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a penalty.
It was a penalty. You can't have penalty.

Speaker 7 But first down, incomplete. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Second down, incomplete. Well, it looks like the penalty came on fourth and four, so that actually didn't matter.
Yeah. No.
Penalty.

Speaker 7 And you remember how good, like, the push the offensive line was getting for the running game? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, my God.
The Elton Jenkins going out for the Packers. Again, that's like they robbed me of everything because they just got it.

Speaker 1 The guy who came in, how many holes did he end up having? It was just every drive. He was just getting killed.

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Commanders 23, Bucks 20.

Speaker 1 What a fucking game.

Speaker 7 A crazy game. This is...
Every Commanders game is like this. Every single one comes down to the end.

Speaker 1 I was going to actually ask you this.

Speaker 1 We talk a lot about the Chiefs' voodoo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Commanders have the most voodoo, and it's a good thing. They just have like,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say Team of Destiny, but

Speaker 1 I watching that game, especially, and we'll break down the whole game, but like when the Bucs kicked a field goal to tie it 20 to 20, and there was four and a half minutes left, and this is part voodoo and part the fact that Jaden Daniels is just fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 I turned to Jersey Jerry, who was sitting next to me, I said, Bucs aren't getting the ball back. Yeah.
And that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 7 That's what we do. We had like a 17-play drive in the first or second quarter.
Yeah. We didn't punt again today.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because when it comes to fourth down, we either get fourth downs or we go for it and we don't convert them.

Speaker 7 And then we find ourselves like one minute later back in that same exact fourth down situation. And there's something about coaches named Dan that are just like, fuck it, we're going to go for it.

Speaker 7 If it's Dan Quinn, if it's Dan Campbell, Dan Lanning did that this year too, where you just get ultra-aggressive.

Speaker 7 But I didn't have a problem, even when it didn't work out, that Dan Quinn kept going for it, because that's what we've done all year.

Speaker 1 And we've said it a million times with the Dan Campbell stuff, consistency. If he had pussied out and kicked a field goal on the second one, you'd be like, dude, you can't just do it.

Speaker 1 You can't go for it, go for it, go for it, and then kick it. Keep going for it, and something good will happen.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you go for it, you don't get it, you pin them deep, and then if you get a turnover, you're at least deep in their territory. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But yeah, it's like they pushed everything to the limit of how close they could make this game. And there's something about Jaden.
He does not show emotion. Sometimes he smiles during play.

Speaker 1 I was just saying his only emotion is happiness.

Speaker 7 But usually, he just doesn't have any emotion whatsoever.

Speaker 7 If you see the clip of him reacting to the game-winning field goal at the end of this game, he's on the sidelines and he doesn't even smile. He just sits there and it doinks in and then he gets up.

Speaker 7 And then, like, five seconds after it goes in, he starts stapping people up. But the dude, he's like, they say that

Speaker 7 Joe Burrow, his like high school basketball coach, told his parents, like, you're lucky that he loves sports because if he didn't, you might have a dexter on your hands. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like he might actually be a killer. Jaden is kind of the same way during a game.
He just, he never gets too excited.

Speaker 7 The moment's never too big for Jaden, which is crazy to say as a rookie, but he is, he's going to be him, and who he is is just fucking awesome. Yeah.
So watch this clip here.

Speaker 7 Doing Sen.

Speaker 1 He's just like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 We won the game.

Speaker 7 Yeah, nice. We won.
Which is, so the Chiefs thing, which is

Speaker 7 my favorite team plays today. I'm going to kill myself.
Oh, nice, we won. I had memes whip up a commander's version.
The commander's version is like in the middle, it's just this game is really close.

Speaker 7 Holy shit, Jayden Daniels is good. And then at the end, nice, we won.

Speaker 1 He's going to do something awesome, and we're going to win this game.

Speaker 7 Somehow, this happens every week. Again, it goes back to the question of, are the commanders a good team? I still don't know how good we are.

Speaker 1 I think Jaden Daniels is a good team.

Speaker 7 I think he is a good team.

Speaker 7 Jaden Daniels is the best team I've ever rooted for in my life.

Speaker 1 He's a really good team.

Speaker 1 It was, I mean, the fact, let's just, the elf in the room, the, the, the doink in it just was so appropriate for like the, the, where the bears stand and where the commanders stand as two franchises that like it had to be a doink in.

Speaker 7 But who likes to kick in?

Speaker 1 I, I was just sitting there like,

Speaker 1 I can't believe that, that you got the doink in. Um, but Jay Daniels is just

Speaker 1 I like watching it, I never, when they got the ball back with four and a half minutes, I was like, he's going to drive them down the field and they're going to win this game with a walk-off field goal.

Speaker 1 I said it to Jerry. I said it in my head.
The fourth and one play where he was dead to rights and he finds a way to get that first down. Like, he's just special.
I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 1 Like, he's special, and I think his specialness rubs off on the entire team where it's like, maybe they're not the most talented group, but when you got a guy like that, your confidence gets to a different level.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and you know that like the inches that are all around us. Yeah.
Like, he gets those inches. Yeah.
Jaden Daniels leads the league in inches all around him. Yeah.
That he acquires. Yeah.
And

Speaker 7 there's

Speaker 7 every time something like this happens, I still have a part of my brain that has to think: if Dan Snyder was still the owner, there's no chance that ball bounces in. Right.
Bounces in.

Speaker 7 And something interesting about the

Speaker 7 Commanders' playoff history. So this is their first playoff win in 19 years since 2006, January 26th.

Speaker 1 Against the Bucs.

Speaker 7 Against the Bucs.

Speaker 7 The previous playoff game before that, I believe, was 1999, and it was also against the Bucs. And that was Dan Snyder's first playoff game as owner.

Speaker 7 We're down 14-13, kicking a field goal at the end of the fourth quarter. Botch the snap.
Everything goes to shit. Game over.

Speaker 7 In this,

Speaker 7 Josh Harris's first game. as owner, the ball bounces off the upright and somehow goes in.
Yeah. Like just good vibe.

Speaker 7 There's been good vibes around this team all season long where just the smallest shit tends to break our way when we need it the most. And I don't know.
I don't know how else to explain it.

Speaker 7 I'm so happy getting to watch Jaden Daniels and also Terry McLaurin, another great game for him. And our defense, we just stepped up and now we're like a medium defense.

Speaker 7 Marshawn Lattimore got.

Speaker 1 You got to get medium plus.

Speaker 7 We do get, yeah, medium plus. A lot of places don't say medium plus exists.

Speaker 7 Marshawn Lattimore got cooked in the first half by Mike Evans, but still, I think he was held under 100 yards somehow. But this team is, there's just something about him that I love watching.

Speaker 7 I don't know if they're good, but they're great.

Speaker 1 No, it's Jaden Daniels. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The new owner thing, obviously, I want a new owner so bad, basically on all the teams, but Jaden Daniels is that guy. Like, he's the guy that I really do believe in it.

Speaker 1 Like, in sports, like, if you have a guy like Jaden Daniels, everyone plays a little bit better. Yeah.
Everyone plays a little bit better than their talent level because of him.

Speaker 7 You think you can win.

Speaker 1 Right. And you think you, you, you, you're thinking the same thing I was thinking where it's like,

Speaker 1 they're going to win this game. They're going to go down the field and they're going to win this game.

Speaker 7 I felt good about the game from the very first drive that we had. And even on defense when we held him to a field goal right off the bat.

Speaker 7 But then we got the ball in our hands and we were moving the ball. And it was like, this is exactly how I saw it playing out, which is Todd Bowles is going to try to blitz a lot.

Speaker 7 And Jaden is a different quarterback than who we saw in week one. He's more decisive.

Speaker 7 He's going to be able to take off and run when he has to, but also, more importantly, he's going to hit guys in the middle of the field when he has to. And

Speaker 7 he played a great game. Our running game was virtually non-existent.

Speaker 1 He just stuffed everything.

Speaker 7 Vita Vey is just a mountain of a human being.

Speaker 1 He's one of my favorite players.

Speaker 7 He's great.

Speaker 7 And every time we kept trying to run it up the middle, and Brian Robinson is the last person that you should be asking to run against defense like that because he hates bouncing to the outside.

Speaker 7 Brian Robinson, if he gets the ball, he wants to run at somebody's face and run them over for like two, three extra yards and like soften them up over the course of a game.

Speaker 7 You're not going to soften Vita Vey up. No.
He's untenderizable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is where, this is the point of the program. I'm very happy for you, PFT.
That was an awesome game. The Doinkin, incredible.
Jaden Daniels, like, he is that guy.

Speaker 1 This is the part of the program, though, where Max tells you.

Speaker 7 All the stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if Baker Mayfield doesn't fumble a snap, that game is over.

Speaker 7 I was going to lead off. Well, there's one other.
I was going to lead off by saying he didn't throw any interceptions, so I don't know what I'm supposed to talk about right off the jump.

Speaker 1 Well, the center also just

Speaker 7 involved way too.

Speaker 1 You had three plays that just

Speaker 1 were destiny.

Speaker 1 I was really going off its team of destinies.

Speaker 7 I'd rather be lucky than good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 there's a voodoo.

Speaker 1 What Big Hat said is exactly what I was saying. Right.
It's a good voodoo. Everything just goes the commanders' way.
And trust me, I am the biggest Commanders fan this weekend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want the Commanders to win. Yeah,

Speaker 7 I can't have Max. Max, you can't

Speaker 1 NFC championship with the Eagles. Why? But you're rooting for my friend Jared Goff.
Yeah, he sounds like I'm rooting for my friend PFT. No, no, but

Speaker 7 I can't have Max's stink on this team.

Speaker 1 Too bad.

Speaker 7 I ban you from cheering for the Commanders.

Speaker 1 Would I rather go to Detroit or have the Commanders come to Philly? I thought you play whoever you play.

Speaker 1 Would I rather go to Detroit? You got to beat your teams. You got to beat playoff teams.

Speaker 3 Do not care about our friend, Jared.

Speaker 1 I care about my friend PFT.

Speaker 7 You don't care about me, and that's fine. And Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Friend of the program.
Yeah. What about Dan Campbell? Friend of the program.
I care about him, too. Amon Ross St.
Brown. Yep.
Friend of the program. Dan Quinn.
Detroit Donnins Super fan.

Speaker 7 Friends of the program. Max, we did get some breaks today.
They got some breaks, too. It happens all the way up.
But also, if

Speaker 7 okay, if they fumble a snap and they don't get a third down conversion, then guess what? You still have to go win the game.

Speaker 1 No, I. Like, we're good enough to...

Speaker 7 Here's where we're at. We're not a great team.
We're good enough, and Jaden is good enough to take advantage of every miss. If you give him a window, he will find a way to win a game at the end.

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels is good as fuck. Yeah, really, really good.
Good as fuck. Yeah, the Bucs.

Speaker 1 The Commanders were better than the Bucs today. And the Bucs, there's two things.

Speaker 1 One, Todd Bowles, I don't know what happens in his brain, but he somehow fucked up the clock on the end of the first half and the end of the game.

Speaker 1 Like, the end of the first half didn't end up mattering because they scored a touchdown, but that guy's brain just freezes. And then

Speaker 1 you have,

Speaker 1 I don't know, the third best quarterback statistically this season. It's just talking statistics.
So not doing a debate on like, you know, but like Lamar,

Speaker 1 Josh, Baker. Those three, Sam Darnold, maybe.
So four. Top four statistical season this year.
Burrow. Burrow.
Fuck. Five.
All right. Fuck.
Five.

Speaker 1 Baker had an incredible year is what I'm trying to say. He threw the ball 18 times.
I don't understand what they were doing.

Speaker 1 And it was partly because the commanders did a great job of keeping the ball out of the Bucs' hands. The commanders had the ball for 35 minutes.

Speaker 1 But I don't understand how he's not throwing the ball more than that.

Speaker 7 Well, Bucky was also running with the ball pretty well.

Speaker 1 He was, but Baker's your guy. Like, that's your guy.
That's your dog. I know he had some runs too, so there was probably more pass plays called.

Speaker 1 But Todd Bowles is just, he freezes. I don't know what the fuck goes on.

Speaker 7 Did you hear his speech or his interview that he gave out of halftime? No. Can we play that?

Speaker 1 Was it just as uninspiring as I imagined it to be?

Speaker 7 He got so confused. I forgot which was left and which was right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like, listen to his explanation here.

Speaker 12 Gotta get him in on third and longer yard. You gotta win first down.
He keeps getting out of the pocket to his left, to his, our left, his left, his left, our left, his right.

Speaker 1 I mean that.

Speaker 1 This guy's just panicked.

Speaker 7 What side was he telling his defense to?

Speaker 1 Our left.

Speaker 7 Their left. No, but his left.
Their left. He said his left.

Speaker 1 Our left.

Speaker 7 He doesn't know left from right.

Speaker 1 He's just.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was so lost with the timeout situation.

Speaker 1 He had no idea what to do.

Speaker 7 What he did at the end of the first half was one of the more puzzling things I've ever seen. Yeah.

Speaker 7 How many seconds did he? It was like 17 seconds.

Speaker 1 He was just like, fuck it. Then we'll call a timeout.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 again,

Speaker 1 this was the Commanders' win, and it was a special night for the Commanders. But Todd Bowles, like, what are you doing, dude? He just can't be in those pressure moments.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's, I mean, the Bucs.

Speaker 1 What do we grade their season?

Speaker 7 I would say.

Speaker 1 They did have both their cornerbacks get hurt. Well, I think one was hurt going into the game, then the other one got hurt.

Speaker 1 But you guys also had some injuries on cornerback, right? So you're going to. I know.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 We're a little bit banged up.

Speaker 7 Marshawn Lattimore is injured, obviously. Yeah.
I hope he's injured because otherwise

Speaker 7 it's not a very good performance out of a healthy Marshawn Lattimore given what we're paying him.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I would give the Bucs a B. You won your division.
Baker's awesome. Baker's awesome.
That's really what it is.

Speaker 1 Like, Baker's awesome. Yeah.
What?

Speaker 1 I think PFT is just the teacher that just gives everybody a B. B.
No.

Speaker 7 No, I gave the Chargers an A-.

Speaker 1 Well, we, I gave it a bad.

Speaker 7 I gave the Broncos an A-.

Speaker 1 Recency bias.

Speaker 7 Yeah, wait, so those are two A grades out of four that I've given. I know.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking of the last one of the Packers. I mean, the Packers didn't get it.

Speaker 7 Why are you so angry with me today, Max?

Speaker 1 Because he seems

Speaker 1 to be a unique Commanders fan. Yeah.
That's also not a unite out of it.

Speaker 1 He's just in playoff mode.

Speaker 1 He's in playoff mode. He's in survival mode.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, I fucking love the Commanders, and I love Jaden Daniels, and this season has been an incredible gift, and I'm so excited about what's coming next. Next week, we can talk about.

Speaker 7 about, let's not talk about next week right now.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 1 You should not

Speaker 1 think about the Lions until Thursday.

Speaker 7 Not going to think about the Lions.

Speaker 1 Like, just enjoy this win. There's no reason to think about the Lions.

Speaker 7 We're playing Team X next week. Yeah.
Who knows?

Speaker 7 Maybe their offense is bad. Who knows?

Speaker 1 Here's the thing, PFT. Like,

Speaker 1 you don't think about the Lions. Can I talk a little bit about it real quick? Yeah.
You don't have to think about it. I won't.

Speaker 1 The Lions are a way better team than the Commanders. Do you know who the Lions don't have? Jaden Daniels.
And something happens where, I mean, they did a montage in the game of like crazy moments.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And there have been some fucking crazy ones. The Bears game, obviously.

Speaker 7 The Cowboys game, which wasn't even him. He was on the sidelines in the second half, cheering on Marcus Mariota.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 The Eagles game when he came back against that really, really good defense that the Eagles have and just shredded him. The Falcons game.
The Saints game. And the Falcons game.

Speaker 7 It always comes down to the last minute with this guy. If we can get to the last minute against the Lions, I will be a very, very happy man.

Speaker 1 Just get to the last minute. Yeah.
Shock the world. Shock the world.
Shock the world. Max is rooting for you.

Speaker 7 Thank you, Max. That means a lot.
Let's go, commies. Let's go, commies.
Left hand up, Max. Yep.
So, Jaden is.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for you because I would love to see Eagles Commanders NFC Championship game. That would be numbers.

Speaker 3 That would mean you guys taught me when the Patriots played the Rams.

Speaker 3 It's not right to root against our friend Jared Goff, so I'm going to root for the Lions.

Speaker 3 Based off what you guys said to me.

Speaker 1 No, you're not.

Speaker 7 You have the Commanders.

Speaker 1 I don't even remember what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 Hank is all over the map with it. You know what your problem is, Hank? You have conflicting allegiances due to your troll brain and your bet brain.

Speaker 1 They don't win the same thing. And sometimes

Speaker 7 they feel.

Speaker 3 I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 7 They might not, but Jaden Daniels might. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They might just give him a Lombardi. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's Lions versus Ravens. And they're like,

Speaker 1 before we give this to the winner, Jaden Daniels, please come on down.

Speaker 7 I would take it. He is the first rookie quarterback to win in the playoffs on the road since 2012, Russell Wilson.
Don't ask who he played or where he played. And before that, it was Mark Sanchez.

Speaker 7 Before that, Joe Flacco. And then before that, all the way back to 1976, Pat Hayden.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I'm going to say it. I'm going to stamp my grade on the commander season already.
A plus.

Speaker 1 A plus plus. A plus plus.
You want a playoff game with rookie quarterback.

Speaker 1 Don't put a grade on it yet.

Speaker 1 It's still going. Yeah, it's still going.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but can it get higher?

Speaker 1 Let's go win this weekend.

Speaker 7 Let's do it, Max.

Speaker 1 Give him a pump-up sentence. Let's go, yeah.

Speaker 7 Did you see that play at the end where Cancey tried to tackle Jaden from behind and grabbed his towel and then just kept sprinting towards Jaden with Jaden's full towel in his hand?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was. I mean, that play was.
He was.

Speaker 1 Cancy had him.

Speaker 1 And then he just didn't. He was playing flag football with him.
He was just running with his towel behind him.

Speaker 1 He should have dropped the towel where he tackled it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's crazy.
And the doink in, I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 By the way, Zane Gonzalez does have OCD, so don't make fun of him.

Speaker 7 He does. But that's his superpower.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He fixed his hair a hundred times getting ready for the kick.

Speaker 7 And it's like the shortest hair ever. So when he kept fixing it, I was like, is there a bug on there?

Speaker 1 But he actually does have OCD.

Speaker 7 And his compulsion is that he has to split the uprights. Yeah.
Or at least bounce off the inside.

Speaker 1 He's got a doink him in. I can't believe it, doinked in.
Did you think for a second it was not good when it hit it? Yes. I did too.
I was like, oh, shit. I needed overtime for basically.

Speaker 1 I mean, we should talk about it, Hank. That was.

Speaker 1 We all bet it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had the PMT.

Speaker 3 Me and PFT did the parlay that Jaden Daniels, we needed 40 rushing yards from him on that last scramble play.

Speaker 1 He also had like 25 in the first quarter. Yeah.

Speaker 3 On that last scramble play, he got the 40 yards. That was it.
Last leg. And then he took the centering snap, kneeled it down.
So we went from cashing it to losing it.

Speaker 1 All the eight WLs, I took it out.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 I feel it worse than you do.

Speaker 1 It was not. So

Speaker 3 I was rooting for overtime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was too, because I had the over for a lot. I was rooting hard for overtime.

Speaker 7 And very clearly, so that everyone can hear it,

Speaker 7 when people get mad at Big Cat and Hank and they're like, why aren't you happier for PFT?

Speaker 7 I don't need them to be happy for me. That's not your job to be happy.
That's not your team that you're rooting for. Like, I understand, like, okay, it's cool if your friend did something.
Whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm happy for you right now.

Speaker 7 But if it comes to, like, if you have a bet that's on the line, you're going to root for that bet, and I would root for that bet in your position every single time.

Speaker 1 Also, it would be the weirdest thing ever if Hank and I celebrated with PFT, like, like, we were like, oh, we did it. You did it.
Yeah. That would be bizarre.
I always

Speaker 1 especially when you have an

Speaker 1 your parlay and my nuke on the over, which was brutal.

Speaker 7 Well, you know what? We are genuinely super, super upset whenever Max loses something.

Speaker 1 That's true. I am always upset for Max.
Actually, you know what?

Speaker 7 Max has almost gotten to the point where now I would be happy for Max with a win.

Speaker 7 I was thinking about that. I said the word almost very clearly.

Speaker 1 Yes. I agree with that.
Almost. I missed the almost.
It's close.

Speaker 7 We're getting dangerously close to me being happy for Max with a win.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about that the other day because I was like,

Speaker 1 if the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, but I actually put it.

Speaker 1 Hank has money on the Eagles to win the Super Bowl. I do as well.

Speaker 1 The.

Speaker 1 Hank's just all over the meat. meat.
Yeah, he's got up the Bills, too. Yeah, the only team Hank.

Speaker 7 This is where the troll brain comes.

Speaker 1 The only team Hank didn't have a future on was the Chargers.

Speaker 7 No, no.

Speaker 3 I have $100 on the Commanders from the beginning of the season. When I went on a heater two weeks ago, I have five grand.
It's the biggest bet I ever placed on the Eagles.

Speaker 3 And then I have some other futures that are like Bills to win the conference and Eagles to win the conference. But like the Eagles' future is the biggest bet I think I've ever made.

Speaker 7 Should we all just declare that?

Speaker 3 And if they just make it to the fucking Super Bowl, I'm cashing out. I'll say that right now.

Speaker 1 Should we all declare after I bet it, I hated it.

Speaker 7 Our gambling allegiances? Yeah. Get them out in the open.

Speaker 1 Anyone but the Chiefs. What if they play the Chiefs? Will you keep it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I hate you so much.

Speaker 1 I had the Chargers.

Speaker 7 Obviously dead.

Speaker 1 I have.

Speaker 1 Apologies. I have.

Speaker 1 No apologies because you flip-flopped. I know.
You did flip-flopped. I did flip-flop.

Speaker 1 And I have a Ohio State to win the national title and the Eagles to win the Super Bowl parlay that's like 12 to 1. That would be a significant hit.

Speaker 1 And I have not, if anyone has an idea of who I should bet on to win

Speaker 1 NCAA Basketball Player of the Year, let me know.

Speaker 1 Okay. I would like to place a bet on someone.
Eric Dixon is really underrated. From where? From Villanova.
Oh, no way.

Speaker 1 I would not. No.

Speaker 1 No. Is he really good? He's awesome.
Leads the country in scoring. In scoring? They just beat UConn.
They just beat UConn. They beat UConn.
Wait, he leads the country in scoring? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to bet on that guy. But tell me more about how good he is.
He's so good. He is so good.
And it's just Villanova's coming on strong, too, at the right time.

Speaker 1 We don't have to talk about what happened this weekend. It's a football season, man.
But they're trending in the right direction. So, like, really, really

Speaker 1 Eric Dixon from Villanova. And he could be the best.
He could be.

Speaker 1 He is like the Heisman for college basketball? Yes.

Speaker 1 How's that voted on?

Speaker 1 It's the best player in the country, and he is the best player. I don't think I'm going to bet on that, but I would like an update every show on how he's doing, if he's doing well.

Speaker 3 I also have Celtics, Barcelona, and Eagles Future.

Speaker 3 National Celtics. I'm just going to get that out there.
I'm just going to get that on there.

Speaker 1 All right, fine. We'll empty the clip.

Speaker 3 Okay, I've got the Buffalo Bills, Nashville Lions, and Hideki Matsuyama to win the match. What?

Speaker 7 I've got the Buffalo Bills, Lamar Jackson, and then Manchester United to be relegated, but that money goes to Chief, which could be worth $10,000.

Speaker 7 And then the Washington Capitals to win the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 I have just currently

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Eagles and the Ohio State Buckeyes both to win, parlayed. I have Utah to win the national championship this year.

Speaker 1 And what sport? Football. Okay.

Speaker 1 You don't know. They haven't crowned one yet.
I've got Oregon. Still pending.
You never know. Still pending.
And then I have UConn in basketball 19-1. That's just a respect.
Respect.

Speaker 1 I won it the last two years. I had to do it again.

Speaker 7 Here's a fun stat real quick from this is from Opta Stats.

Speaker 7 In NFL history, there have been three instances of a team having zero turnovers and zero punts in a game behind a rookie starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 7 All three were by Jaden Daniels and the Commanders. Week two, week three, and tonight.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 7 That's fucking insane. That is insane.
I love this guy. That is insane.
I love him. I love him.

Speaker 1 Max, what are you going to say? He's so good. He turned it over on Downs twice.

Speaker 7 Oh. Oh, that doesn't count.
It's not a country.

Speaker 1 You mentioned the Baker fumble.

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't say that has nothing to do with that stat. No, oh,

Speaker 1 you're specifically talking about this stat. Correct.

Speaker 7 Okay, well, hey, Max, how about this? If we kicked field goals every time in fourth down, then that Baker fumble doesn't really mean anything.

Speaker 1 But you didn't, and then you failed.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you're taking away turnovers for the Bucs, but not taking away turnovers for the commanders.

Speaker 1 They were just unforced errors.

Speaker 7 We won the game. No,

Speaker 1 the commanders deserve to win that game.

Speaker 1 All I wanted to say was that the commanders have

Speaker 1 some weird voodoo going. They do.
That things break their way at the end of games.

Speaker 1 Which is good.

Speaker 1 That isn't like an insult to the Commanders.

Speaker 1 I would love a team for that to be my team. No, you're not.

Speaker 7 That's a good thing. You're right that we do have that.
And Adam Peters gets a lot of credit too for the just complete roster turnaround that's happened.

Speaker 3 Just all new guys.

Speaker 7 Dan Quinn's done a great job. I'm just, I'm the happiest I can remember being as a football fan, maybe ever.

Speaker 7 Maybe, maybe ever. If we're talking about arrows, if we're doing the arrows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this has got to be better than RG3 now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, the wild card game that year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, was disaster.

Speaker 1 Right. So yeah, this was like the final.
Yeah. Jaden Daniels has to.
Well, actually, holy shit, that fucking low hit on Jaden Daniels,

Speaker 1 that looked bad.

Speaker 7 Cheyenne I agreed to turn injuries off at the start of this game. And this is now two games,

Speaker 7 not two games in a row, because the Falcons game, and then this one, where his knee bends, and you're like, fuck, this is it. And then he just stands up.
Yeah. He's just like not injured.
But yeah.

Speaker 7 This is way better than 2005 because we had Mark Brunel, who was like 46 years old,

Speaker 7 and that's the only other playoff win that I can remember. Yeah.
Except for the Super Bowl. I remember that.

Speaker 1 1991.

Speaker 1 The,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, it was an incredible game. Jaden Daniels.
He's special.

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And also, we'll talk a little Texas, Ohio State, because that happened on Friday night.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Who do we think is going to win Monday Night Football? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Anyone got an idea?

Speaker 1 I do think it's

Speaker 1 the fact they're playing in Arizona is weird.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 7 I think the Vikings should win, but I also think that Sean McVay.

Speaker 7 And that's the end of that sentence.

Speaker 1 And Sam Darnold, I'm a little nervous.

Speaker 7 I just think Sean McVay,

Speaker 7 I would not bet against him in the playoffs. Yeah.

Speaker 3 With all this, the obviously super tragic stuff going on in L.A., do you think it is more Team of Destiny vibes or distraction vibes that's going to affect them negatively?

Speaker 1 Well, PFT said it last week when he was like, why didn't the Rams try to win that game to get a better seed?

Speaker 1 And he was like,

Speaker 1 what's up with that? And Sean McVay's done that before. I think that's the year they won the Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like he knows

Speaker 1 he's got a good team.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think he knows something. He knows something

Speaker 7 on paper, you should have tried to win that game. Win horse.
Win horse. Why did he do that? Why did he do that? Why did he feel so confident rolling Jimmy Garoppolo out there?

Speaker 7 It's because he knew either, one, that resting his guys was more important than whoever they played. Yeah.
Or because he sees some weird voodoo matchup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have no idea with this game. I feel like whatever side I'm going to bet is wrong.
And I also have to root against the Rams.

Speaker 7 But he also didn't know who he would be playing in that opening game. It could have been the Lions.
Right. Or maybe he just knew that the Lions were going to roll the Vikings.
Right. Who knows?

Speaker 7 But I'm sure I'll have some degree of super confidence in whatever I choose to gamble on tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure. Oh, I'm going to be like, fuck you.
I'm right.

Speaker 1 I just can't

Speaker 1 get that Sam Darnold. It's stupid.
I can't get the week 18.

Speaker 1 And that was also just the Lions' great defensive game plan. But what if the Rams have a great defensive game plan?

Speaker 7 They did with Sam Darnold. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They beat him already this year.

Speaker 7 It was grab his face mask when the refs not. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 No, but that was a game that the

Speaker 1 I don't think Sam Darnold played very well against the Rams when they played earlier this season. Is that not? Am I imagining that?

Speaker 1 I just remember that was a game that Puka was coming back, and it was like, oh, shit, is he going to start? Oh, yeah, he is going to start.

Speaker 7 He's going to have 106 yards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he's going to be awesome. He's going to catch every single ball.
Yes, Sam Darnold, he was okay in that game. He wasn't bad.

Speaker 7 So Matt Stafford is very good against the Blitz. He's one of the best quarterbacks against the Blitz.

Speaker 1 That's what I remembered. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But also, we can agree that Matt Stafford, not all pressures are created equally.

Speaker 1 But he also just had a week off.

Speaker 7 He can't really move that well. Maybe he's healthy again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could be. Maybe he spent the week off at Aloe.

Speaker 7 He's feeling good. Maybe a little Daniel Jones,

Speaker 7 two-headed monster.

Speaker 1 With Sam Darnold?

Speaker 7 Yeah, mix him in there. They'll never see you coming.

Speaker 1 It's a great room. That's a great room.

Speaker 7 If we're going off rooms,

Speaker 3 I need at least 10 minutes on the broadcast talking about that room.

Speaker 7 That room is a one-seed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Speaker 1 The Ohio State Buckeyes beat the Texas Longhorns on Friday night.

Speaker 1 It was a great game. So much for the people saying that the college football playoff

Speaker 1 expanded playoffs suck. They basically,

Speaker 1 they had us in the first half.

Speaker 1 The first round looked bad. Ratings were bad.

Speaker 1 Who the fuck cares?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 Says something.

Speaker 1 Not to me.

Speaker 7 I mean, I heard some people people saying that they're dragging the season out too long. I'm fine with dragging

Speaker 7 the football season's longer.

Speaker 1 I do think college football should end a little bit earlier, just naturally. Like, I think it's weird the national championship is going to happen after the divisional round of the NFL.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I've never watched a playoff game or any game and enjoyed the hell out of it and then afterwards been like, damn, the ratings were bad. Maybe I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 Sure, ratings don't matter.

Speaker 1 I mean, they just don't matter to my enjoyment of the game. No.
Like, I enjoyed the hell out of that game. I thought it was a great game.
Ohio State.

Speaker 1 It was like Will Howard was awesome in that first drive, and then

Speaker 1 he was not. And

Speaker 1 they were like, there was that moment where you're like, shit, is Ohio State going to fuck this up? Are they going to Ryan Day it up?

Speaker 1 That screen pass the end of the half. I still don't know how that happened.
I don't know how you blitz in that situation if you're Texas.

Speaker 1 And then it all came down to the first and goal series that Sark play calling has been questioned over and over.

Speaker 7 Yeah, where they ran the toss play out to the left, where they went backwards about four yards.

Speaker 7 I don't know why you do that. Don't really get it.
We should say, though, Caleb Downs made a great play on it.

Speaker 1 Caleb Downs is a heat-seeking missile on that play.

Speaker 7 Caleb Downs has been doing that all season long.

Speaker 7 He takes the perfect angle every single time. He's a great player.
So, yeah, a great player made a great play on a bad play call.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How about that? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Texas had a chance going at the end.

Speaker 7 They just made more plays. Texas, the better team won.
Jeremiah Smith was not really part of it. He was not

Speaker 7 him down. Which is crazy to say, like, just throw the ball to Jeremiah Smith every single time because you probably could do that.
But Texas, I don't know if Texas took him out of the game.

Speaker 1 No, Texas defense balled out.

Speaker 7 And Ohio State does have other good wide receivers. Yeah.
And they made plays.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Texas defense was phenomenal in that game outside of the screen pass at the end of the first half, which was horrific.

Speaker 1 I said it before the game. I'm over the Quinn Ewers experiment.
No offense to him. He's like,

Speaker 1 it's a perspective thing because I do think Quinn Ewers has had a great college career.

Speaker 1 He's taken Texas to the semifinal and back-to-back years, which if you said that to a Texas fan five years ago, 10 years ago, you're like, fuck, sign me up.

Speaker 1 I also think Texas does this weird thing where

Speaker 1 they're comparing everyone to college Vince Young and you don't, you can't really get better than college Vince Young. So it's like, if that's the standard,

Speaker 1 you're going to be disappointed forever in the quarterbacks you have.

Speaker 1 But I just.

Speaker 7 Even Cole McCoy never reached college Vince Young. Right.

Speaker 1 So he's a great quarterback. It's an impossible standard.
I just, Quinn Urs is a good quarterback. I just don't know if he's like that extra step of getting you.

Speaker 1 Again, we're talking about perspective here. Like it's talking about getting you to the national championship, which he's a really good quarterback.
I just don't know if he's, I would have,

Speaker 1 I wonder how good Arch Manning's going to be. That's kind of what I'm getting at.
If Arch Manning is good next year, will Sark look back and be like, yeah, probably fucked that up.

Speaker 7 I think this was important for Sark to show Quinn Ewers that he had his back. Yeah, I understand.
Because everybody was saying, put in Arch, and I was saying it too. Like,

Speaker 7 if you're looking for a couple yards, you have a quarterback that can move.

Speaker 7 And also, he's definitely a threat to pass, but like, much more capable of picking up a couple yards in a running game than Quinn would be.

Speaker 7 I don't know why you wouldn't put him in, but I think that Sark had some weird blood oath with Quinn Ewers. It's like, you're my guy.
I'm not. We're bringing Arch in.

Speaker 7 Probably when they first signed Arch. Yeah.
He was like, Quinn, I want to let you know, I want to give you my word that he's not coming here to take your job.

Speaker 7 And we're not going to play into any of that. There's going to be a lot of media talk.
The fans are going to say, we want Arch.

Speaker 7 This is you. This is me talking to you.
And I give you my word. You're my guy.

Speaker 7 I think this was Sark like fulfilling on that when he did have something that he could have done that probably would have given them a slightly better chance to win.

Speaker 1 Cooler than that is winning a semifinal game and going to the national championship. Also, correct.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm very happy for Jack Sawyer because he's obviously been the butt of a lot of jokes going 0-4 against Michigan, the whole flag thing. He has been phenomenal in these playoffs.

Speaker 1 He's stepped it up a level in that. It was like the slowest fumble return ever, but it was also like, it actually was kind of cool how slow it was.

Speaker 7 He was gassed after about 15 yards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you could, like, Ohio State fans got to celebrate for about 17 minutes as he ran down the field.

Speaker 7 For you, was it, did you like see it in the moment and think to yourself, this is an all-time Ohio State highlight?

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's perfect for him. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't know if he's from Columbus. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And Jack Sawyer, he is. And Jack Sawyer was not the reason why they lost to Michigan.

Speaker 1 He actually made the play that should have been like the crowning moment for him to beat Michigan with that interception. So Ohio State looks awesome.
That was a great, great game.

Speaker 1 And I do think that like, so the college football expanded playoff, the people who are upset about it, and I get it, the first round did suck.

Speaker 1 There's a chance, I don't know what it would have totally worked out because they would have judged things differently in a four-team playoff, but there's a chance that Notre Dame and Ohio State wouldn't have even been in the playoff in a 14-team playoff.

Speaker 1 There's a chance because

Speaker 1 they could have gone Oregon in,

Speaker 1 what, Texas in, Georgia in,

Speaker 1 and then maybe Penn State. Although Ohio State probably would have jumped.

Speaker 7 I don't know how Ohio State would have jumped the loser of the SEC championship game. or the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 So it might have been both teams.

Speaker 7 If Texas had lost that game like they did, then I think Ohio State maybe would have jumped.

Speaker 1 But more than anything, like, I know that the argument, yeah, what was the final rankings? So Notre Dame would have been three, Texas would have been four, Penn State five, Ohio State six.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 according to the last rankings, Ohio State wouldn't have been in these playoffs. Wait, this was AP.
I didn't

Speaker 1 pull up the.

Speaker 7 But that also means that, yeah, two of the teams in the top four got beaten by those teams that were like, like, maybe they get in, maybe they wouldn't.

Speaker 1 I also think it's just so funny because I understand there's this is the college football playoff ranking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the actual college football rankings, and again, I don't know how they would have done it with,

Speaker 1 like, I think they took a little bit off of the

Speaker 1 championship games this year because of a 12-team and you knew everyone's going to get in.

Speaker 1 But if you had gone a four-team playoff and you used the rankings that they used, it would have been Oregon, Georgia, Texas, and Penn State. So Notre Dame and Ohio State would have been outside.

Speaker 1 That's your championship game. I don't know why.
I understand people love the college football regular season, and they like every game mattering, and they like a Michigan-ending Ohio State season.

Speaker 1 What other sport, like Ohio State got hot at the right time. That's what happens in sports.

Speaker 7 I would never understand somebody who's a fan of a sport being upset that the sport uses a tournament at the end of the season to pick who the winner is.

Speaker 1 To play more games to find the best team.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm okay with that on the record.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I mean, it was, I liked, starting with the Arizona State, Texas game, I know the Rose Bowl was a blowout, but it was a fun game to watch because it was like such an incredible game that Ohio State played.

Speaker 1 I feel like we've had four really good playoff games.

Speaker 7 We have.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, and Notre Dame, Georgia was good.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and in the championship, Ohio State,

Speaker 7 they seem like they're the better team, right? Would you agree? Yes. They seem to be the better team.
They are the better team.

Speaker 7 Ohio State should beat Notre Dame unless Ryan Day does the weird Ryan Day thing that he did against Michigan. And if there's a coach who's capable of bringing that out of Ryan Day,

Speaker 7 I think it might be Lou Holtz

Speaker 7 to get him back into that mindset that he had where it's like we have to just out-man him because he has something to prove.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 He's got a fixation with Lou Holtz that he needs to figure out how to set aside going into this game. And also, Marcus Freeman is a great coach, too.

Speaker 1 I think Notre Dame,

Speaker 1 they they have to play

Speaker 1 like not a perfect game, but they can't make mistakes because Ohio State is just, and I'm not saying this as like a

Speaker 1 don't play the game. Ohio State has more talent.
Like they have the most talented roster in college football. I don't think even Notre Dame fans would disagree with that.
Notre Dame, though.

Speaker 1 They're just a tough-ass team.

Speaker 1 What's their offensive line say? Four quarters of fuck you football. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 Like they have a mentality and they don't they don't kill themselves that if they keep this game close and Ohio State has a little pucker of their asshole, they could absolutely win this game.

Speaker 7 And I mean, Texas got a little bit of push at times on that defensive line. Notre Dame's got a great offensive line.

Speaker 1 Texas was, I know it's the 28-14 was the final score. Texas was, they score that touchdown.
We're going into overtime probably. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 that was as close as a 28-14 game could be.

Speaker 1 Very excited, though. We're going to have Booger on Wednesday's show to break down NFL playoffs and the national championship.
So maybe he'll give us a pick.

Speaker 1 Should we do Who's Back of the Week?

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Speaker 1 Who's your who's back of the week?

Speaker 3 My who's back of the week are the New England Patriots.

Speaker 7 Ah, you took mine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so it's been a long, long few years.

Speaker 3 I've learned what it's like to be a loser franchise and not be excited on Sundays and kind of like expect losing. And I learned a lot about the draft.

Speaker 3 You learned a lot about the draft.

Speaker 3 I wasn't used to that because we were winning and stuff.

Speaker 7 What's the most important thing you learned about the draft? That

Speaker 3 you can't take the three best players.

Speaker 3 The players get drafted, then you have to reassess. You have to wait.
That was the big lesson I learned.

Speaker 1 I think the big lesson you learned last year was that when you trade

Speaker 1 your pick,

Speaker 1 you have to actually give it up.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because that was the whole. Yeah.
When you were like, oh, we'll get the number one pick, but we're not going to give up the three pick.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I know a lot of fans of the show, they always get mad.
Like, oh, you just win, you win, you win, you win, you win. It's so annoying.
And it's like, now, you know,

Speaker 3 I've been in the basement. I've dealt with what a lot of people that listen to the show and you guys have dealt with for a long time.

Speaker 3 But they signed Mike Vrabel, and they're back.

Speaker 3 They're on the path. The path of glory is back.
Question.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, congrats to our good friend Mike Vrabel. Do you have anything to say to me

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 has gone on a memes path rampage against Mike Vrabel?

Speaker 3 No, I mean, I think that's the beauty of football and sports is like memes, you know, can can do his little trolling online and say these things on on X.com on the everything app, but like we'll see you on the field next year and we'll see you on the field for the next 20 years.

Speaker 3 Okay. And we'll let the talking we'll let the talking play itself out there.

Speaker 7 What about this take

Speaker 7 and I'm going to say this from an anonymous person online.

Speaker 7 Mike Vrabel is proof that one smart clock management moment in a nationally televised game buys you five to ten years of NFL media thinking you're a great coach.

Speaker 1 Memes meme that.

Speaker 7 That was memes.

Speaker 1 Memes? Also in this this.

Speaker 7 Hurt people, hurt people. Also, in this post, memes refers, I think he's referring to me as being NFL media.

Speaker 1 Memes?

Speaker 1 You're part of the NFL media that highlights this stuff and gaslights it. Okay.
So, memes, you're not mad. No, it's whatever, man.

Speaker 3 So, we were in this together. Like,

Speaker 3 we suffered through this season together, and it's like, if you made it out of the trenches, I'd be happy for you.

Speaker 3 I would hope that you'd be happy for me no

Speaker 1 damn memes i don't want you out of the trenches i want you in the trenches memes and i want mike vrabel to suck if my if you're listening to this mike vrabel i want you to suck memes is equally not mad about this as max yeah about the play call yeah if you're listening to this rex ryan you're not going to get the job you're not getting the job yeah so memes you're you're you're not bothered you just started memes

Speaker 1 i'm extremely bothered derrick henry's gonna walk through that door though

Speaker 1 derrick what their Prime Derrick Henry is not walking through the door. He's saying Mike Vrable is a Derrick Henry merchant and a Ryan Tannehill merchant.
Oh, yeah. He's a stud.

Speaker 1 He's a system coach.

Speaker 3 But no, it's been great. You know, Will and Taylor bust with the boys guys.
They obviously played for him. They had a lot of glowing, glowing things to say about him.
What people can expect.

Speaker 3 Players are going to get called out,

Speaker 3 expected to play at a high standard, and Vrable expects everyone to meet those standards. And he's going to write this ship and get us back where we need to be.

Speaker 7 He's going to expect you to meet a certain standard, too. That's fine.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 3 I mean, as Missoula is the same way, that's championship mentality. That's what he should be doing.

Speaker 3 Whatever he needs, whatever coach, whatever you need, I'm here for you.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Congrats. Thank you.
I'm excited for you, Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great hire.

Speaker 7 Who's your who's back? My who's back of the week is the Philadelphia 76ers.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Because they were threatening to leave town. Oh.
They were going to abandon Philly after all they've done for Philly. And

Speaker 7 the city of Philadelphia just came to an agreement to keep him around for a while. So congrats, Max.

Speaker 1 They really suck. Oh, no.
Do you want them gone?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 They're staying in South Philly. They weren't going to Jersey.
They were

Speaker 1 going to go to Center City, Philadelphia. But now it's good because we're keeping all the stadiums right next to each other.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's a cool. I love that.
about any city that does that where the stadiums are right across the street from the station the sports district yeah yeah no it just makes for a great tailgate scene.

Speaker 1 There's the big Xfinity, Xfinity Live, mega bar in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 It's fun,

Speaker 1 but I hear the word Sixers, and they're so bad. Like, they may not even make the play-in game bad.

Speaker 7 But they had 10 wins by Christmas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that did not spark anything. And Joel MB just never plays.
Damn. They lost to the Magic today.

Speaker 1 That whole video on Christmas. That was fun.
I'll always have that. You will always have that.
I'll always have that. That was huge.
Yeah, I mean, they lost three out of their past four.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Magic are a winning team, but the Pelicans dink, the Suns. But aren't you happy?

Speaker 7 Like, that's a major win.

Speaker 1 They're not wizards.

Speaker 7 They're not leaving town. Good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's good.

Speaker 1 At this point, I want them to get a top six pick so

Speaker 1 we have our pick next year. Yeah.
Cooper flag.

Speaker 7 My other who's back of the week is LeBron.

Speaker 1 Oh. He's back in the news.

Speaker 7 Have you heard about LeBron?

Speaker 1 I've seen it. I still don't understand it.

Speaker 7 All right, so LeBron was dancing to a Kendrick Lamar song like a month ago, and then Drake put out a song called Fighting Irish.

Speaker 7 And Drake has a tattoo of LeBron on his arm. This is normal stuff.
It has a tattoo of LeBron on his arm from when LeBron was a high schooler.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 When he was playing on a team that was called the Irish. Okay.

Speaker 7 And in that, he seems to throw some shots at LeBron being like, I know things about you. You shouldn't have been dancing to that song that called me a pedophile.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Now, DJ Academics went live and said that he is familiar with the accusations and that Drake does have some info about LeBron that he could put out. And now LeBron is probably very, very afraid.

Speaker 7 Credit to LeBron. He's done a great job of being like the most famous person in the world for the last 20 years.

Speaker 7 He's done a great job of not having any major, huge scandals about him that have gotten brought to light until recently, until very recently.

Speaker 7 So I don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 7 Do you think Drake has like, is he just lashing out because he got beat so bad?

Speaker 7 Has he handled getting defeated on a public stage worse than anyone else after threatening to sue his own record label? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will say

Speaker 1 if they were like best friends, which if he's got a tattoo of them,

Speaker 1 that would suck a little bit.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I don't know if they're best friends.

Speaker 7 I would agree that

Speaker 7 LeBron, if he was friends with Drake, should not have done that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I don't know their relationship.
Hank, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 I think both. I mean, I think it's like star athletes.
It's like, I think anyone that holds them to a higher standard is crazy because

Speaker 3 there's been a million examples of athletes being somewhat scumbags and not the most loyal guys. So it's not like shocking.
I'll never be shocked when you hear stuff like that.

Speaker 3 It's like, yeah, no shit.

Speaker 3 A lot of athletes are like that.

Speaker 3 It's like Drake did, you know,

Speaker 1 it's ugly.

Speaker 3 It's like LeBron was dancing and now Drake's outing him. And it's like, you know,

Speaker 3 everyone's going to hurt people, hurt people.

Speaker 1 Hurt people, hurt people. And you're a Drake guy.
I'm not a Drake guy or a LeBron guy, so I don't really give a fuck.

Speaker 3 They can both take each other down for all I care.

Speaker 1 This is one of those things that I was aware that was happening, but I didn't really.

Speaker 1 There was football on, so I didn't really dig deep into it. But

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's more that I'm going to learn.

Speaker 7 To me, it seems like Drake is just trying to get a job.

Speaker 3 Well, Brun also took that leave of absence like a month ago.

Speaker 3 That was my like, well, that kind of makes that make a little bit of a lines up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He was up in Canada banging whores. That's at the war.

Speaker 3 Academics. I mean, academics just said everything.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So it's all been said.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it's obviously not from the official source.

Speaker 7 But I also think that Drake is just desperate to get a win anywhere. Yeah.
Anywhere he can find one.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's a win, though.

Speaker 3 It's just like, yeah, like I'm, I'm, I'm a scumbag. I'm friends with a scumbag.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 Is that a win?

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's just pressing the button, blowing everybody up. Yeah.
Everyone's coming down with me. Yeah, the Dan Sider.

Speaker 1 Good guy. Yeah.
All right, my Hoots back of the week is overreacting to one thing and then trying to make changes because there's a report that the NFL might change the NFL the playoff format where

Speaker 1 Division winners get an automatic entry into the playoffs, but not necessarily home field

Speaker 1 in the first round.

Speaker 7 I think divisions should mean something. I agree.

Speaker 1 This would suck.

Speaker 7 There's divisions for a reason.

Speaker 1 It's also like, yeah, this year was weird, and it's crazy that the Vikings and the Lions

Speaker 1 were as good as they were.

Speaker 1 That week's 18 game was awesome. It wouldn't have, I don't, I mean, I guess it would have meant something in terms of a buy, but they both would have gotten a home playoff game.

Speaker 1 Divisions in the NFL is what makes the NFL great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like your division rivals and winning your division should mean a lot.

Speaker 7 It also leads to regional styles of football amongst the divisions, which is cool. Yeah.
To have an identity for your division.

Speaker 1 Like the NBA has divisions because they don't even fucking care. No.
At all.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter whatsoever. So it's like, I don't know.
That's the unique, like, don't overreact to one year.

Speaker 1 And guess what? Like, it sucks because the Vikings had a really good year. Win your division.

Speaker 7 They were probably looking

Speaker 7 at the criticisms of the college football playoff. And they're like, yeah, we need to do that too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, you don't.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no you don't i mean yeah sometimes you're gonna have a good wild card team and you're gonna have a

Speaker 1 below average division winner yeah but that's okay if they're demanding to do this i could meet them a like a quarterway there and say you have to win nine games to get a home playoff game but i'm not gonna go farther but i like that above 500 but then also people then bring up the beast quake beast quake yeah beast quake was a seven and nine seahawks team like that was pretty fucking awesome like i'm okay with it because if you if you go on the road and you lose to a seven 7-9 team in the playoffs, you should have beaten that team.

Speaker 1 Right. And also, win your division.
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 1 that's the best part of NFL football. It's like you play your division six times.
You hate those teams. They're your rivals.
Those games should mean more than all the other games. Yep.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. Don't do that, NFL.
I don't think they will.

Speaker 7 I don't think they will either.

Speaker 1 Roger Cadell is kind of the anti-Adam Silver. I don't feel like he listens to us.

Speaker 7 No, I think we're good. I mean, unless something really weird happens.
If there was an instance where a really shitty division winner, what's the worst possible record you could have?

Speaker 1 I think someone, I was reading a thread on it last night. I think someone technically could win a division 4-13.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look at the AFC South.

Speaker 1 It's probably. I mean, they just won a playoff game.

Speaker 3 No, I'm saying, like, in the past, though,

Speaker 3 there's been some bad AFC South teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think 4-13.

Speaker 1 You're Mike Frable?

Speaker 7 Blake Bortles? Which team are you talking about? Oh, no.

Speaker 3 I'll look it up. I mean, I'm not.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's not a Titans.

Speaker 3 It might be Portals.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I mean, 7-9 is the.

Speaker 1 The Panthers, I think Ron Rivera, they won 7-9. The Panthers won a division once.

Speaker 7 Oh, Ron Rivera did it twice. He did it in D.C., too.
Yeah. Heineke.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out NFC Beast. Any

Speaker 1 only division that has two teams still available. There we go.
And it's not.

Speaker 1 That's just not true.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's just not true.

Speaker 1 Two teams that have already advanced. Yep.

Speaker 7 Good point, Max.

Speaker 1 Switch it up on it. Yep.

Speaker 1 It is kind of cool in the AFC that every division's got a - it's just the division chance. It is left.

Speaker 7 I also like having Max as my buddy and my friend right now, so I appreciate it, Max. I can tell you really mean all this stuff from your heart.

Speaker 1 You definitely mean it.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 If the Vikings are in the NFC North or not? Yeah, if the Rams win tomorrow, then that's true. Yeah, that would be true.

Speaker 1 So, yes, as of right now, I was correct. Yeah.

Speaker 3 2017 Titans that led to Mike Mullarkey's firing.

Speaker 1 What did they win the division at?

Speaker 1 9-7. Oh, so that's not even the seven.

Speaker 3 Yeah, needed overtime to beat 0-16 clear. It would be...

Speaker 1 That's not even the 7-9s we've been setting up.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it'd be the.

Speaker 3 2016 Houston Texans. So yeah, I wasn't just making shit up.

Speaker 1 What was their record?

Speaker 3 They were

Speaker 1 9-7.

Speaker 1 Not above 500.

Speaker 7 So far, we have two Ron Rivera teams.

Speaker 1 And the Pete Carroll team, yeah.

Speaker 3 And the number one on this list is the 2020 Washington Commanders, or Washington, whatever.

Speaker 7 That was a big-time NFC Beast move by Doug Peterson that game. Get us into the playoffs.
Put Nate Sudfeld on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Good show, boys.
Great show.

Speaker 1 It's great talking some playoff football. Congrats, PFT.
Thank you. Congrats, Max.

Speaker 1 Let's finish with numbers. We got.

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Speaker 1 Okay, numbers: five.

Speaker 1 Pick five. 11.

Speaker 1 Pug?

Speaker 3 94. Pug.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm going to take 89 from the chat.

Speaker 1 Wow. Pug disrespecting the chat.

Speaker 7 26.

Speaker 1 Wait, what did you take? That was Jack.

Speaker 1 I took 89.

Speaker 3 I took 94.

Speaker 7 94.

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 1 I mean, memes, would it really count if you won with Pug's number? Yes.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 So, it's going to count if

Speaker 1 he didn't claim that. No, but

Speaker 1 your whole argument is PFT one with your...

Speaker 1 I guessed it. I don't see the difference.
Got you there.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you going to participate?

Speaker 3 I said 38. I'll say it again.

Speaker 1 46.

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