Spice Adams In Studio, NFL Week 3 Picks And Preview, Shohei 50/50, Aaron Rodgers Is Back And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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We're going to do our NFL Week 3 picks and preview across the league. Fantasy Lad Boys, Firefest, and we're going to talk Thursday Night Football, maybe a little Woad, Shohei.
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The Batman is back. He looked good.
He looked good tonight. Even was vintage Aaron Rodgers getting into it with his coach a little bit on the sidelines after throwing a touchdown pass.
I don't know what that was. We can speculate.
It's fun to speculate. I'm curious to hear.
When you saw that, what did you think? Well, before memes answers that, PFT, first of all of all pft for the first 10 minutes of the show is uh on zoom because he's in austin for pup punk go check him out uh tonight rest of the show we're in studio uh before he explains it that actually it was a verbal meme uh robert salah is hank and aaron rogers is memes because they got inussle earlier today, too. So there's a lot of tension going into tonight's game, but Memes, how are you doing with Hank, and how are you doing with Aaron Rodgers going after Robert Salah? Which one should I do first? Whichever one you want.
I think me and Hank are good. There's no problem.
There's no problem. I just get really fired up during these days, and then I take things wrong a lot.
Yeah. PFT, I walked into the gambling cave tonight, and Memes was the Arthur meme.
He was holding with his fist, just trembling, and I was like, what's up, Memes? How you doing? He's like, nothing. I just wanted to fight Hank earlier.
And I was like, oh, okay, cool. Sounds good.
A little bit that I saw, it looked like he wanted to fight Mincy, too. Yeah.
So, Memes was doing a lot. He had to kick a lot of ass tonight.
Yeah. No, Mincy did a good job.
Yeah. I mean, the game was so bad.
The Jets were so much better than the Patriots that we had to do the blindfold. But, Memes, address the uh aaron rogers beef uh there is no beef okay similar to you and hank yes zero beef they're they're just talking it out i imagine aaron rogers wanted to run something else on the on the down before i didn't see it because i was blindfolded i also didn't see the push but sure everything's fine.
Okay. That's probably not far off from what really happened because Aaron Rodgers looked like he did not want to run anything the Jets were calling for him.
Aaron Rodgers just wants to run the Aaron Rodgers coached offense. So he was – you could see on the sidelines, Hackett didn't look happy either.
Like they were beating the shit out of the Patriots and Hackett had this 100-meter stare on his face where he was just like, I guess this is good because we're winning, but it'd be nice if they used my ideas. Yeah.
Where's Max going? Oh, Max is fixing something. The Patriots are bad.
I think, Hank, you can officially say you're all the way out. I think we're going to look back at week one.
That will be our week one circle that game and be like, whoa, what happened there? And overtime week two. The Patriots beat the Bengals? We almost were 2-0.
Yeah, but the Jets were just way better. I mean, they moved the ball easily down the field.
The Patriots offensive line is horrendous. I actually now agree with Hank that you probably shouldn't have Drake May out there because he'll get killed, even though he did play mop-up duty and didn't look...
There's still 46 seconds left in this game. I would love...
If he throws a touchdown pass? I would love to be the first person on this podcast with a rookie QB touchdown. I would not like that.
No, they looked horrible. Their offensive line looked worse than the Bears.
Kobe never had more than one second to throw. They missed a ton of tackles on defense.
Aaron Rodgers, it really did feel like bizarro world watching one of the best quarterbacks just do whatever he wants. Doesn't feel good, huh? Every third down.
Doesn't feel good, Hank. Doesn't feel good.
Yeah, no, it doesn't. It feels helpless.
It does. It feels helpless.
It certainly does. What's your attitude towards fans of Aaron Rodgers right now that are just like, yeah, I'm better than you because my quarterback's better? They are.
They're right. I would feel the same way.
I get it. Like, if you're the Jets, you're just thinking Yoffs.
You're thinking, you know, what's going to happen in the playoffs. Soupy.
Soupy Soupy, for sure. I will say that I agree.

Jacoby Brissett is the right person to be starting.

Jacoby Brissett fills a very valuable role,

which is just to stand there and take a beating

and look semi-competent while beating it.

So, like, Drake May, if he were in there,

he would take a beating and not look competent while doing it.

But Jacoby is good at taking shots

and occasionally completing a couple

passes. This is going to be such bullshit.

He's going to throw a touchdown pass, PFT.

He's about to throw a touchdown pass.

Oh, they sacked him. Just

stop. Don't let this happen.

Hank is going to just be the worst

about this.

He's got to come off the field.

I wish it was college rules.

Sorry, PFT. I was focused on the fact that Hank was just going to have that moment over us forever if he had thrown a touchdown pass there.
Yeah, what were you going to say? No, I was saying that Jacoby Brissett is the right choice to be starting back there because he fills a very valuable role, which is to stand back there, be robust, take a beating, and then get up and then complete the next pass after he gets the shit kicked out of him. Yes.
Whereas Drake May, if he were back there, he would get the shit kicked out of him and then look incompetent afterwards. Yes.
Yes. So, Hank, this actually was a blessing for you because you're all the way out.
Yeah. It's back to tank mode.
Yeah, we have no offensive line, bad defense, rookie head coach. What can you expect with a team like this? Okay, so back to golf season.
Get ready to learn golf. No, no, no.
Golf season's over. I'm just, you know, I'm thinking hungry dogs.
I'm looking at hungry dogs, trying to win some bets. Yeah.
Paying attention to the draft boards. So, well, the good news is you won't have to watch them on Sunday, but then in in the subsequent weeks is there a world where we don't have the patriots game on tv and you would be okay with that yeah i mean i'd probably just go watch it somewhere else i don't know but yeah and in week if it's week eight and we're one in six next week is is at 49ers.
Yeah, I mean, that's just bloodbath. And Dolphins, Texans.
Bloodbath. Yeah, that's – I'm not going to be able to get up for any of those games.
Yeah. You are – I was up for this game.
I was up for this game. I was thinking, again, like I love beating the Jets, beating the Dolphins, beating the Bills, bills division opponent we've had their number forever memes was the the tension was becomes memes was nervous that it was going to keep happening yeah no he he thought he he had the boogeyman on his mind was in an impossible spot tonight pft because he was he was he lives it lives and dies with jets he knows this window is very small with Aaron Rodgers.

And Hank was sitting there like, I might not even be in on this season.

So if the Patriots had somehow beaten the Jets with memes like ready to fight Hank,

it could have gotten physical.

And I said it during the stream, but memes is probably the top of my list of people who work in this office

who I could see them getting in a fist fight in this office. And then me being like, hey, what happened? And be like, I don't know, man.
I'm sorry. Things just got away from me.
And I just be like, all right. Yeah, the Jets.
The Jets happened. Hank looked at me.
The Jets happened. I would completely understand.
Now, Hank, this is like further education of how to be a loser. And you're going to have to listen to me and Big Cat's advice on this.
But one thing that you're going to get into as a fan of a losing team is you're just going to have to like scratch and claw to find joy. So there might be one good team that you guys will beat and maybe you'll beat them next year.
Maybe you'll beat them the year after that. And for some reason, you always beat one really good team.
Then at the end of the day, you could be like, yeah, well, guess what? It's like what the Dolphins used to do to you. No matter how bad the Dolphins were, they could be like, yeah, well, we always beat the Patriots.
So you're going to have to figure out what that – maybe it's the Bengals. Maybe you guys just have the Bengals number, and you can start feeling happy about that.
Any division win would be fun because it would piss off Dolphins, Bills, Jets, all playoff contending teams. I guess Dolphins, maybe not.
But either way, season's over. Spoiler season.
Season's over.

Memes, your team looks awesome.

That win was very delicious.

Ooh, delicious.

All the insult stats were going around.

We were 0-7 on primetime games against New England.

There's no Bill Belichick anymore.

Wait, was this the first time you guys beat them in a decade?

I believe so.

Oh, my God.

On primetime.

Wait, you didn't beat them?

Oh, no, no. But when did you beat them? Did you beat them him last year final game uh bill belichick's final game as a patriot that's right that's right that was when you when you did that okay so yeah this this is good for you memes you you got your swagger back it feels like all the angst from week one is is gone now you're two in one you had an impossible start to schedule in the fact that you played three games in ten days, and now you get the Broncos at home.
Broncos at home. Hopefully start 3-1.
Yeah, Broncos, Vikings at home, Bills at home. You guys might start rolling a little.
Offense looks good. Yeah.
Defense started to look good today. Yeah.
Special Deems is firing. We have a good offensive line.
Yeah. Morgan Moses going down was troublesome.
That was bad, especially because we were blindfolded for that. A lot of people are saying best case scenario is MCL sprain.
Okay. That's not good.
And then worst case scenario is just his entire knee. But you have a first-round pick that is coming in as backup.
Yeah, Ulu Fushanu. Yeah.
Max said he's the best offensive lineman. Yeah.
And you guys did blitz a lot tonight, so it's not like you missed having a dominant pass rusher. You blitzed way more than Robert Salah has ever blitzed, I think, in his entire career as a head coach.
Yeah, I think we're fifth in the league in defensive pressures. Wow.
That's what happens when you get Bryce Huff off your team. Yeah.
Although he was very good the last few years. And then once we sign Hassan.
Watch out. Hyperdrive.
Hyperdrive. Oh, you don't want to say that.
Hyperdrive. You don't want to say that.
Oh, man. Do you think this win makes it more likely or less likely that you'll sign Hassan Redick in the next week?

Less likely because we play the Broncos.

Yeah.

The window to sign him is before the Vikings week

or lose to Vikings and then sign him right after.

Okay, that's the plan.

So you have a loss scheduled and then to sign him.

Yeah.

Okay.

That wouldn't be the worst loss is what you're saying.

Or load up before the Vikings with him and then beat the Vikings. Got it.
Okay. I like that.
Yeah, it was an ugly, terrible game. It was Thursday Night Football is all the way back.
And the Jets look good. And, Hank, it's over.
We should talk quickly two other things before we do our NFL preview. Shohei Otani went 50-50 50 he's actually 51 51 now he had three home runs six for six three home runs 10 rbis the dude is just insane i don't really know what else to say besides he's the best baseball player in the world and it's crazy that he still he could be of all time i he keeps doing it in his career.
And there still is – is there still like an outside chance he could maybe pitch this postseason? I know that he was practicing in the bullpen. Like, he's done all of this.
He's 51-51, never been done in MLB. And, oh, yeah, when he decides he wants to pitch again, he's like three ERA pitcher.
Yeah, it's actually insane. I'd'd say that this he is the best baseball player of all time whether or not he'll have the best career of all time is kind of up for grabs but we've never seen anybody that's doing what he's doing it's insane 50 home runs 50 stolen bases if he was starting pitcher he would be one of the probably top 10 starter in the entire mlb it's crazy it's crazy how We're almost getting desensitized.
But shout out to the guy that caught the 50th home run because he just left the stadium. He's like, I'm not giving it back.
I'm not talking to anybody. Here's my number.
You can reach me. You can contact me through my lawyer.
And I know that Shohei's got money. I know what his contract is.
He's got so much money that he could afford to be swindled out of, what, like $5 million and not miss it. So, yeah, I'll just hang on to this at home.
Give me a call and make me an offer. So, wait, was that Darren Revell? Because that is his advice that he always gives to everyone.
If you catch a consequential home run, just leave the stadium right then and there and do not let anyone negotiate with you. So it might have been Revell who caught might have been Ravel or maybe Ravel is his agent maybe maybe maybe clit has gotten into the agent business I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised um but yeah insane insane season listen Dodgers I'm not going to speak with you about this you can talk to my clit that's that's what Ravel would say um he's just the best it's the best and I can't wait for the Dodgers to lose in the first round and then everyone to complain and say the playoff structure is broken.
But we'll always have this 51-51 from Shohei. I mean, it is pretty impressive.
It's crazy. It's crazy.
It's crazy. And then the last story, Woj has retired.
So this happened on Wednesday afternoon. Woj is retiring.
he is uh if you if you followed followed along what Shefty and some of the other insiders said, you would have thought that Woj had just done 30 years at war with how they were describing it. Shefty was laying it on pretty thick.
Add that to the list of things that we're going to make fun of him for at the Combine. But Woj is retiring.
He's going to be the general manager of St. Bonaventure's basketball, and he's getting his life back.
He's getting his life back. Yeah, I mean, Woj was the greatest to ever do it when it comes to the NBA scoop game, that's for sure.
Like, Shams, big time come up for Shams, having Woj step away. Now it's like a one-man show.
Price went up. Was Shams part of the reason why Woj stepped away? Because Woj didn't like the competition? I don't know if it was competition, but Shams, you know, is McAfee's insider on ESPN, and they used to take little shots at him.
I don't know. Maybe.
I think if Shams was any of the reason why, just because he made Woj have to work so hard because woge could coast before shams was around but it iron sharpens iron yeah and in this case woge he i think he he proved himself like i would say woge was still the number one nba insider over the last couple years but that like we talked to him and the hours that he has to put in it's insane so he's essentially retiring from a dream job to take another dream job being the general manager for his alma mater right yes with the school there and i think his job is just going to be tweet about a recruit just like tag a recruit on twitter and it goes out to his six and a half million followers and then the recruits like damn that's awesome woge just tweet about me yeah it's nice i think i'll go to st bonaventure it's a big come up for st bonnie's um yeah no he's gonna he's gonna do the nil roster management possibly but good for him he's uh he gets his life back it was it was tough sledding you know being an insider and it actually i mean we we interviewed woge we obviously are friends with shefter we've had sh on. We like him as well.
Their jobs do seem miserable in terms of the fact that they can just never turn off their phone. Yeah, exactly.
He's got multiple phones that he always has to have on. He has to stay up late all the time.
He just lives in constant fear of getting scooped by somebody. Yeah, and I think Shams will probably go to ESPN, right? Because like I said, he is friends with McAfee, and he's he seems like the top free agent now.
Like ESPN's gotta scoop him up. Yeah, I guess so.
I mean, I don't know. The price for Shams definitely went up.
Yeah. What were you gonna say? Do you think Woj will still break news? I think Woj...
Definitely. If he gets something that could piss off Shams, I bet you he would.
I think that it's just that he's not going to be, like, pressed to break everything. But if he gets a piece of information, what's stopping him from still doing the job? Yeah, that's true.
I mean, yeah. Yeah, if he has all the contacts, contacts if someone just sends him something you would think he's got yeah i mean he has to have relationships where they're like i'm still only gonna send you stuff um it was funny though espn yeah had their like panel of uh news breakers reacting to woge's retirement it was passing it was shefter it was pete thamel andfter said this, he wanted his life back.
He didn't want to have to work on holidays. He didn't want to be away from more family gatherings.
He didn't want to have to take a shower with your phone up against the shower door so you can see a text that's coming in or take that sentence right there. Like he could have just been jerking off or take your phone with you to the urinal and hold it in one hand while you take care of your business in the other.
That's a life that we live. Come on, Shefty.
Woj, thank you for your service, Woj. You showered with your cell phone.
Oh, man. I wonder if Shefty's going to maybe see it.
Like this is when. He wanted to yeah this is this is like shawshank he leaves the prison he's like man there's life on the outside gotta get out of here gotta meet up shefty and shefty and woge meeting at a beach you know five years from now being like finally there i actually think it's more likely that shefty will start breaking more nba news yeah, he might.
Because he probably had some, but he usually would defer that to Woj because he didn't want to step on his toes. But Shefty was doing sidelines at NBA games.
He was dabbling in it. He was checking it out.
Yeah, there could be. There's this massive vacuum there.
I could see an upstart young buck come out of nowhere, and that's the person Woj is actually just ghost ghost feeding all of this oh there's all the scoops because i do think shawm's gonna go to espn but yeah he could woge could like if woge if woge if there is beef and there probably definitely is like woge will just be like i'm out and then all of a sudden someone new is gonna come on just like alfred uh and he finds a batman yeah kind of thing he's just setting him up he's just he's living with this guy and he's just like this is how you do it could be one of Shepter's kids yeah I think yeah his daughter's in the business so why not just start dominating everyone it's uh it was just it was just very funny because we do like Woj but But, like, come on, dude. Like, not even to Woj.
Woj, I'm happy for.

But, like, dude. Not even to Woj.
Woj, I'm happy for. But anyone who reacted saying, man, I can't believe this.
He wanted to get his life back. It's like, okay.
He also got paid a lot of money to do a job that's pretty cool. It's pretty fun, yeah.
But to even act like it's somebody that's been like an athlete for 30 years, stepping away from it. Yeah.
His athletic feats were, yeah, showering and not slipping and dropping his phone and cracking it, staying up for 17 hours at a time to break news, breaking news about athletes. Yeah.
So it's a little bit different. And then the graphic that everybody was tweeting out that just said like 30 on it.
Yeah. I guess I'm supposed to know what the 30 means.
So funny. All right.
Let's get some football talk. Let's kick it to ourselves.
PFT will be back in studio. We taped this earlier in the day.
Let's do football. And then we got Spice Adams and Firefest.
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Week three. We have a great slate.
I'm very excited for this Sunday. uh perfect setup where it's seven early five late two monday nights i wanted to before we started getting through the games pft um i wanted to just hit a couple big picture things okay so uh scoring is down again yep touchdowns are down everyone's uh blaming uh the two high safeties and i actually read an article uh no big deal not trying to brag but essentially uh deep passes still work but offenses are taking the bait with the two high safeties and just they're running the ball into light boxes and it's just not it's not as effective so teams that are still willing to push the ball downfield are doing okay.
It's just that everyone's like, oh, well, I guess we'll just dink and dunk and we'll run the ball, and it's just not working as well. I feel like there are ways around that too.
I feel like offenses can adapt to it. Well, it's offenses that are doing a lot of motion, the Saints, the 49ers.
Some of these offenses that are trying to confuse the defense are still very effective, but there's a lot of offenses that are like, oh, light box, let me run. Oh, the run isn't really working, but we're going to keep doing it because that's what they're giving us.
So stop taking the bait. Well, check down Mahomes.
Check down Patty. That's how he lives and dies by the check down.
Yeah, so through two weeks, we've had 29 QBs throw the ball at least 20 times with under 200 yards passing, which is pretty crazy. That's the most for any season since 2008 and the second most for any start to the season since 1990.
In weeks one and two, only 17 of the 64 quarterbacks have gone over one and a half passing touchdowns in a game. Again, these are not because we have rookie quarterbacks that have not thrown touchdowns, but these are just stats.
It's a league-wide issue. Yeah, there are also also 24 qbs with one or fewer passing touchdowns with 20 plus pass attempts in week one the most since the merger in 1970 there you go it's not our fault and uh there have only been five 300 yard passing games so far this season which is kind of crazy yeah two weeks listen take what the defense gives you in the craziest part is can you guys give us, can you name the top four guys currently, obviously it's two weeks, small sample size, top four guys in passing touchdowns.
Top four guys passing touchdowns. Baker is yes.
Okay, that's good. Yes.
Baker, Darnold. Josh? No.
It's Baker Mayfield. Kyler to a Kyler Murray to a no.
The last is Derek Carr. So think about this.
Think about if we were sitting here in August and we were like, hey, through two weeks, who's going to be the top top of the leaderboard in passing touchdowns? And I said, Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Kyler Murray. You would have been you would have said you don't know ball yeah yeah well kyler i think we we kind of predicted that kyler was going to have a good year i mean that i'm still i'm still buzzing off of that first half against the rams because that was some of the best quarterback play i've ever seen yeah kyler when he's not thinking when he's just going he's so fun to watch so incredible he had that one touchdown pass where he started he did the steph curry yeah he threw it started celebrating before it was caught yeah and we might have a new a new uh title holder for the dumb rules so it was mike greenberg's dumb rules whenever he would try to fix baseball every year uh mel kuyper had a dumb rule today mel kuyper's dumb rule is to ban the too high safety formation on defense.
Defense can't have anything.

Stick to the draft, buddy.

Yeah.

Mel Kuyper is not there to give takes.

Mel Kuyper is there to tell me who is going to be the best quarterback

drafted in 2027.

It's also exactly what I said, this article that I read.

Again, not a brag, but it's not the too high safety.

It's that teams are taking the bait for it.

Yeah.

Like still push the ball downfield.

You can still be successful.

You're just taking the bait and you're playing into their hands.

Thank you. teams are taking the bait for it.
Yeah. Like still push the ball downfield.
You can still be successful. You're just taking the bait and doing that.
You're playing into their hands. Stop doing that.
I also like taking what the defense gives you though. Yeah.
But it's too much of that. It's too much of it.
It's too much of it. All right.
So a great slate. We'll do our picks at the end.
I hate the two Monday night games. I hate it on Monday night when it's going on, when it's concurrent.
I love it. You do? Yeah.
I don't like it. I'm not a one TV guy, so I love it.
I like having the one game that everybody's watching. It's kind of nice.
You're kind of coming across as a one TV guy. I have two TVs.
Okay. All right.
Well, that. What's the wins, Hank? You're making your faces already.
Because Hank and I are in lockstep here. We've heard a couple people complain.
Jerry was complaining. Someone else was complaining.
I was like, dude, no offense, but you're coming across as a one TV guy, and that's a little embarrassing. Well, that's Jerry.
I've got two TVs. I can watch two games at the same time.
I do watch two games at the same time. I'm a little offended by Hank's stupid fucking face.
I'm in your house. You've seen the second TV in the basement.
I guess it's been a while. I have it set up.
It's not on the wall, but I've got two TVs. One's on its own table, so I can go man mode and watch two TVs at the same time, Hank.
Also, with YouTube TV, you only need one now. Because you can just play the mix.
That's true. Hank, I've been to your house.
You only have one TV. I have a one TV guy.
Oh, you are? Yeah, so this is projecting. Dude, ew.
No, I'm not. I don't like it either, but.
Well, he's also not a football fan. But did you see Hank when you were saying the only one TV thing, he was like, ew, gross.
That's you. You're a closeted one TV guy.
Yeah. But also not a football fan.
Yeah. So it doesn't matter.
I was three TVs controls on there for five years, and I just grew out of it. You grew out the multi-TV phase.
This is the only night of the year where I'm like, damn, I wish I had two TVs. You want to come over? Yeah, maybe.
I don't like the two games at the same time. I like having the tradition, the routine on Monday nights of having one game that I pay attention to.
No, I love it. It's a treat.
But the only reason why I do like it, I don't like it on Monday nights, but I like just having one less game on Sunday going on at the same time. I like it.
I wouldn't like it every single week. I like that they do it once or twice a year.
It's a nice little treat. They should also switch the games.
I wish it was Bill's Bengals. Yeah, no.
Bill's Bengals, Commander's Jags would be a perfect setup. And just start Commander's Jags at 10 o'clock.
Yeah. And whenever the Jags are playing in primetime, it should be against the Tennessee Titans, and it should be on a Thursday night.
Yeah. I like it just because you are guaranteed some type of drama on Monday night where it's like, there's nothing worse than a Monday night football where you just get a blowout when you have two games there's chances are you're going to get at least something good yeah and we are the commanders are on blowout alert yeah for sure uh so with the Jags all right so let's get some games let's talk some games uh these are early games uh Houston Texans going to the Minnesota Vikings 2-0 versus 2-0 uh did you see that Aaron Jones is trying to basically bring the Lambeau Leap to Minnesota now? I don't like that.
Calling it the Bank Vault. Okay, that's a good name.
It's a good name. Kind of like that.
Now I'm kind of in on it just because it's got a sick name. I had the same exact thought where I was like, you can't just do that, but the Bank Vault is sick.
The Bank Vault's really nice. The only problem is there's a lot of teams that play in bank-named stadiums.
True. So they could kind of co-op that.
But he was the first to it. It makes me want to bet him to score a touchdown just so we can see the bank vault.
It does. I kind of like how Aaron Jones has also fallen into just the visual lookalike of the Minnesota Vikings running back situation.
For the last like four years. Yes.
It looks like the same guy this year it's aaron jones and he's he's playing pretty well sam darnold is maybe will definitely come back player of the year at this point at this point through two weeks yeah if uh ricky pierce saw gets on the field it's probably going to be him yeah but through two weeks it's sam and uh these two teams also have the league leaders in sacks oh how about that the two team leaders inside it alsoacks. It also is a Daniel Hunter revenge game.
Daniel Hunter revenge game and also Jonathan Greenert revenge game because he left the Texans for the Vikings. By the way, speaking of Minnesota running backs, do you guys know where Dalvin Cook is now? Yeah, he's on the Cowboys.
Didn't realize that. They're working him in.
They a running back I I Mike McCarthy is essentially uh decide his strategy for running backs this year is everyone who doesn't do any fantasy research and they show up to their draft and like I know that name yeah like I think I drafted Tony Gonzalez like seven years later than he should have been drafted because I saw the name like well he's got to be still be good Well, the Cowboys got two of them. Yeah.
No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what his whole running back committee is.
Which I kind of like. Yeah.
I respect that. He's just doing old running backs that you kind of recognize.
And he's like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so.
If he, like, I think Chris Johnson could still give him some yards. He's fast, right? Yeah, and I wouldn't be shocked if they brought him in.
Adrian Peterson. Yeah, absolutely.
Put him on the field. If you combine just a bunch of old guys that used to be dominant, in my dumb brain, we'll say one of them will end up popping.
Running back by committee, except one of them has a healthy right leg, one of them has a healthy left leg. Yes, yes.
So I'm excited for this game because I think it's going to be a pretty big test of which one. I think the Texans are for real I actually think the Vikings might be for real too but this is this feels like a game where the winner of this we're going to be saying whoa three you know looking really good uh kind of control of their division too because you know three you know we'll see what happens with the Lions and the Packers and the Bears but at least the Texans if they're 3-0, that's going to be a very big lead.
Everyone else in their division is 0-2. I am very interested to see how C.J.
Stroud does against Brian Flores' defense because did you see after the game, Brock Purdy was like, you guys were just confusing the fuck out of me. Yeah, that's what Brian Flores does.
He does. And he doesn't even always have to blitz to do it.
Sometimes he just fakes a blitz, and he does that thing where the quarterback thinks that they're going to be under pressure.

Then they're not, and then they just panic, and the four rushers can get home.

So, C.J. Stroud, last year we started to do this.

We shouldn't be doing it yet, but we should start thinking about it, asking the classic Nick Wright question of,

is he throwing enough interceptions?

So no interceptions yet for C.J. Stroud.
He did not throw many interceptions last year he tried to throw a couple against the bears well yeah i think he leads the league in turnover worthy throws he's just getting a lot of i love that he's getting some some interception luck on that yep uh but we'll say this if he goes like two more games no interceptions then we start to say cj stroud doesn't throw enough interceptions. Yeah.
Do we have any takes on CJ Stroud in the Caleb Williams clip? Big bro-ing. Yeah, big bro-ed him.
It's a little early for the big bro. Well, here's the thing.
I have no problem with CJ Stroud doing it. I also have no problem with Caleb Williams being like, I just got sacked 100 times, got my ass kicked.
I don't really want to stand here and just be told, hey, everything's going to be okay. Like, let me, competitor i just don't want to do that nicey nice oh thank you so much they're also the same age yeah so i could see how i'm fine with caleb williams reaction i know hank thought that it was uh bad you you you said you mentioned something to me you're like did you see that do you see that you know what happened with hank this is what hank does it's it's like sometimes we're too lazy to read the article so we just read the headline hank sometimes is too lazy to watch the video so he just reads the headline and that's what he takes from it it was hank got aggregated you get aggregated so what i watched the video okay so what happened in the clip was cj was like trying to give him words of encouragement he rolled his eyes and then caleb was like okay okay he acted in perfectly normal way for somebody that just lost a game.
Also, CJ Shaw was mic'd up. You don't think he was doing that a little bit to get a little extra juice on the mic'd up? Like, well, look at me.
I'm mic'd up. It was also a perfect encapsulation of the internet where whoever shared it, however you first consumed it, the caption just changed what you thought.
Exactly. Yeah, you read the headline and didn't watch the video.
I watched the video. Okay, so you thought it was too much.
Do you have any problem with C.J. Stroud, who is a very, very good quarterback, two games into his second season, big bro and people.
It was a little early for a big bro, but I just thought Caleb Williams' body language was bad. He was a little bit too cool for school.
I liked it. A little bit too cool for school.
He's pissed off. Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.
Yeah, no, that's true. Right now, he's too cool for school.
He kind of said that in the offseason. Like, oh, yeah, he's cocky.
Oh, okay. The pun thing, that's going to just be.
At some point, he's got to back it up. It's cool.
If he can back it up, all good. He's going to this week.
If he doesn't, then it's gonna be like, oh, maybe you should have been a little more receptive and open to your peers. Of the comments, you think that was...
You think that if he had been more receptive of C.J. Stroud saying, hey, don't worry, it's gonna be okay, he would be okay? Maybe, yeah.
He didn't say anything. How would you have liked him to respond? C.J.
he wasn't like hey man he like rolled his eyes yeah but if cj shrubs came up he's like hey man i saw that one play this is actually how you're going to want to read the safety goal yeah that's like yeah okay you should probably listen but he literally just said it's okay man keep your head up he was doing it for the camera cj shrub was and caleb was a little bit dismissive. It's not a huge deal.
I just think when it's

all said and done, if things don't

turn around, then it's not going to look great. That will be the

point. What were you going to say, Max?

You brought up the punt thing. Have we talked about the punt thing?

Yeah, everyone talks about the punt thing.

Have we talked about the punt thing? He said to Torrey Taylor,

you're not going to have to punt much. Guess what?

Did you not hear about the offense

being down league-wide?

Punts are up.

Punts are up.

Punts are up.

It's a big year for punters.

Caleb Williams had no idea that punts were going to be in vogue this year.

You can't predict that stuff.

It's like inflation.

You can't predict that.

And also, Tori Taylor's a really good punter.

Maybe he's just Caleb Williams being a good teammate.

Guess what?

Credit to Ryan Poles for getting ahead of the league-wide trend that punts are going to be up and using a draft pick on good punter. Maybe Caleb Williams is being a good teammate.
Guess what? Credit to Ryan Poles for getting ahead of the league-wide trend. The punks are going to be up and using a draft pick on a punter.
Actually, yeah. If Ryan Poles had taken Torrey Taylor 1-1, I would have been fine with it, with how people are using their punters these days.
And the way the league's going these days, you want to be ahead of that new trend. The new wrinkle is going to be just punting more.
When everyone zigs, we zag. Okay, next game.
Chargers and Steelers. This one's going to be gross.
Gross, gross, gross. I think it's Steelers minus one and a half over under 35 and a half.
So we had a new Tomlin. We had a new Tomlin drop.
Mike Tomlin was talking about the petty game ball. And a new Harbaugh.
And a new Harbaugh. We had a petty game ball that he gave to Russell Wilson after the Steelers beat thebaugh we had a petty game ball that he was uh gave to russell wilson after uh the steelers beat the broncos which a petty game ball i russell wasn't playing the game but it was a petty game ball and a reporter asked him to go deeper and he said i can't give you all the ingredients to the hot dog you might not like it yeah i he might have stolen that from justin fields who's a vegan trying to like sway him into not eating meat anymore yeah you know what, you know what goes in a hot dog, Coach? His lips an asshole.
Yeah. So he's, yeah, I like the petty game ball.
And then the new Harbaugh was very funny. He said, like Moses, I'm going to die leaning on my staff.
Yeah, that's a really good one. So I looked into that quote, and it's not the first time Harbaugh said this.
He said it back in January. He said, like Moses, I'm going to die leaning on my staff, implying that he would die leaning on his coordinators and the other coaches.
Everybody that happens to be working with Jim Harbaugh. Wait, from Michigan he said this? At Michigan, yeah.
So he was implying, like, I will die leaning on Connor Stallings. Well, he never met Connor Stallings.
Never met Connor Stallings, not his staff. Just give a game ball.
Moses, he's implying, died leaning on his staff, his physical staff, right? I looked into that quote. He actually stole that quote from Lou Holtz.
Oh. But when Lou Holtz said it, he said that he's going to be like Peter, dying leaning on his staff.
That's also a wrong quote because Peter was crucified. The actual guy that leaned on his staff was jacob ah so it's like we're playing a game of football guy telephone right now and harbaugh has just rolled into the whole moses thing moses does hit harder what about seth how'd moses die moses died up wandering the desert yeah he never made it what about seth uh seth the brother of cain and abel yeah the third brother no one talks about seth yeah his name is seth name's Seth That does not sound like a biblical name at all It doesn't, it sounds made up People talk about Cain and Abel Fucking put some respect on Seth's name Yeah, Seth was the Cooper Manning Of that family So that was a great quote From Harbaugh, I don't really understand What it means, but I like it I also think that harbaugh may have saved one of his players lives this week oh it's because they stayed out east right yeah yeah so they stayed in charlotte and they're going up to pittsburgh for the time zones jim harbaugh is a big believer in sleep preparation uh he just wanted to watch his team sleep probably yes he wanted to make sure that they were all in the same place he wants to keep them in hotels that herbert has a chance of getting stuck in an elevator yeah but joey bosa's house got broken into on monday well there was an alarm that went off the cops showed up the cops went into the house with their weapons drawn because they had an alarm uh turns out it may have been a false alarm it was like the wind that set it off okay but if joey bosa had been home the cops breaking in with, Joey Bosa's pro, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's probably a gun owner.
It could have gotten messy. Yeah.
If he hears people breaking into his house. That's true.
So Harbaugh might've saved Joey Bosa's life. I think this team is circling the wagons.
Yeah. They also, I, I, they were doing like some type of community, um, service.
They were, I think there were boxing lunches for homeless people or something.

He was doing like a food pantry, right?

And the food

pantry owner said that they actually broke

the record for most lunches boxed

in an hour and Harbaugh was like, fuck yes.

He definitely

asked them beforehand, what's the record?

And then he told them, we gotta beat this record.

I got a question for you guys.

This is high level handicapping of football. There's a report out there from Joey Bosa.
He says that Jim Harbaugh has told Justin Herbert no more high fives when coming off the field to protect his hands. Is that a good thing or a bad thing in terms of team vibes? So was that Bosa's idea or was that Harbaugh's idea?'s harbaugh's idea but he told bosa no more like herbert no more high fives walking off the field no more high fives i feel like that's gonna hurt the team i don't know i say it helps his hand but you gotta give a guy a high five every now and then can we go left hand maybe fist bump fist bump trint dilfer fist bumps his players all the time yeah that's true um yeah I don't know I I that I saw that I was like okay we're really going it's just Harbaugh's going crazy I think Harbaugh's gonna have like seven or eight different things that he's gonna come up with like small little details that he's gonna change the rules on this year uh I don't know if you're Harbaugh like human body craves contact let your quarterback high five-five somebody.
Yeah. What if they just start kissing their boys? Oh.
A little smooch coming off. Yeah.
I like that coming off the sideline. A little smooch.
I like that a lot. The first European football team? Yeah, I think this game is going to be gross, though, because I think the Steelers' defense is legit legit, and this is a game where the Chargers, you know, they've run the ball very well, but it's a Greg Roman offense.
Obviously Tomlin knows it because he was with the Ravens. I don't know if they'll be able to pass it on the Steelers.
And then the Steelers, Justin Fields, he's done enough to not make a mistake, but it hasn't been an explosive offense. They don't have a ton of weapons, so I think we're going to get one of those, you know, maybe 12-10 type of games.

That would be classic.

Yeah.

And I bet both coaches would love that.

Yeah.

Tomlin also said he was talking about the Russ versus Juss thing that he's got going

on.

He says, we're ready in a plan that features Justin and his readiness, which is a great

Tomlin is right there. Like the readiness factor for Justin is higher than it is for Russ right now.
And then I saw a couple articles, quarterbacks get injured. You start to talk about which teams have a luxury at the quarterback situation.
I saw a couple saying like, what if the Dolphins traded for Russ Wilson? That would be a great move probably by the Steelers, right? I was going to say, not for yeah you sign you sign russ wilson for basically nothing yeah but then you can trade him you just don't have a quarterback you don't have a quarterback anymore yeah um all right uh bears and colts i think this is the week boys i think this is the week i think the bears are gonna run This is where the podcast listeners are going to be like, they just pick on Hank. He just went like this.
Like that. Do that one more time? Do it one more time.
No, no, no. You do it one more time.
That's what he did. That's the face he made when I just said that.
That's probably the same face a lot of people listening to the podcast made. The Colts defense is very bad.
They give up the most rushing yards. They have divorced Buckner's now out.
You call him divorced Buckner? Divorce Buckner's out. He's never won a ring.
The secondary is banged up a little bit. I think this is the week that the offense looks good.
I think the Bears are going to win. Obviously, this is a very important game for me in terms of discourse because if Anthony Richardson outplays Caleb Williams, I'm going to be in trouble.
Anthony Richardson does have, I think he has 49% completion percentage. I know there's been some drops, but he does have the best offensive line in the NFL.
So he's got a ton of time. His offensive line is playing really, really well right now.
So that makes all his, like, you know, the interceptions and the low completion percentage makes it stand out a little bit more yeah he played so bad against the packers last week he was very very bad yeah um i do agree with you i think the bears are going to run the ball down their throats because the indie run defense is terrible and the titans and the texans i believe will go by the end of the season will both be top 10 defenses. The Colts will not.
So I think this is one of those situations where your first two weeks, you're playing really, really good defenses. Now you take a big step down and things just work easier.
I think the offensive line will block better. Darnell, right? Has been really, really good.
He was really, really bad against the Texans. I don't think that's going to happen again.
I just think everything's to look a lot better the defense for the bears has been awesome in the second half too i think they've only allowed three points in the second half this year and that was just kind of fair band uh fair barn like 75 yard field goal play too high yeah play too high safeties because anthony richardson the reason i like watching him play is because he's electric when he runs with the ball and he takes takes mega shots downfield. He's mega man at quarterback.
He only goes downfield, which explains why his completion percentage is lower, but he's not taking what the defense gives him. Yeah.
I also just want to say, this game, the Bears win this game. Everything is on path.
Everything looks good because there's been a lot of panicking. I actually don't think Bears fans are panicking.
I think it's more just the Hanks of the world, the Colin Cowards just trying to force panic on us. Very similar.
I don't have to force panic on you at all. The Bears are 1-1.
You're panicked. The Bears are 1-1.
Before the season, I had the Texans as a loss. When we did the schedule, I was like, we're going to lose to the Texans.
Yeah, Hank, you do force panic. You force panic.
You with questions. You with questions.
I do have one question. Okay, here it is.
Roma Doonsay's dad. Yeah, I saw it.
He shared a clip on Twitter. It's fine.
He's just watching tape. Wide open in the end zone.
Don't you want family members watching tape? Yeah, what's that world for Odell? Yeah. I want my, I want my, I want it.
It takes a village. Yeah, watch tape.
Not publicly post. Create discourse against your quarterback and your son.
Hank, I have a question for you. Are you going to tell the full story? I'm going to ask a question to Hank.
Wait, hold on. But he also posted a clip that basically said, Roma Dunse runs a great route, but Caleb Williams gets pressured so fast he has no chance.
Okay. So did you read the headline of Roma Dunse's dad's film breakdown? I watched the clip he posted.
I didn't see the other clip he posted. Okay.
Did he post a clip of Roma Dunse dropping a touchdown catch? I don't think so. Okay.
So maybe Caleb Williams' dad should post that. What about the reports of DJ Moore liking Justin Fields better? DJ Moore did like Justin Fields better.

DJ Moore apologized for his

body language on Sunday night, which

I thought was bad. Like, DJ Moore

He just stopped running routes. DJ Moore

is... He also said that thing to Tyson

Badgett that no one really knows what he said, but

some people are saying

have a report. Oh, we're

now lip-reading experts?

We're lip-reading experts? We need you out here to Tyson

Badgett. No.
DJ Moore...

I think TJ Moore. That's crazy.
You don't try to put panic on me. DJ Moore has to.
He just got paid. He's a number one.
He's on a team with a rookie quarterback, a rookie wide receiver, an offensive line that's been struggling. DJ Moore has to step up and be a leader.
And I think that that was a moment where he realizes his body language and the way he reacted was probably not great. He admitted that in media this week.
DJ Moore is going to be a lot better, and this is going to be different. I'm watching the clip right now.
There's no panicking. DJ Moore walking down the sideline it it looks like he might say dog i need you to tyson bajin no he was saying he was saying dog that was a sick throw and caleb williams is going to go off against the colts he might have also said that yeah i'm not sure basically here's what it comes down to when it comes to lip reading videos whatever you say in the caption is what he said i will believe that yeah i'm highly suggestible to to believing what people say in that now i'm not panicking i just realized though i am literally i've been going like this this entire segment so i'm not panicking i wouldn't panic i'm not i think caleb will be fine who was who was talking about panicking i mean i mean the funniest guys the funniest for this podcast would be if the Bears beat the Colts, but they ran for like four touchdowns and Caleb didn't throw a touchdown.
I wouldn't give a fuck. I want to win games.
Actually, I want the Bears to go on a huge winning streak, and for some reason, Caleb just to not throw a touchdown. He can have as many yards as he wants.
Yeah. Just to watch that discourse build up.
Fine. Love it.
Max, another question. Again, you guys know how to – you're funny.
You guys are really funny. The panicking stuff and everything.
You say that you just want the Bears to win. What if Caleb Williams throws for 375, four touchdowns, but they lose off of special teams turnovers, like something fluky like that.
But Caleb Williams goes 375, four touchdowns. Or...
We did this last week. Yeah.
I'd consider taking that this week. You would definitely take that.
I said I'd consider taking that this week. What if he throws for 300 yards, four touchdowns, the Bears lose, Torrey Taylor gets injured.
But Anthony Richardson throws for 400 yards and five touchdowns. I do not want that.
It's just football, guys. Come on.
There's more things to life. No one wants the Bears to be better than me.
No, you're a liar. You're a liar and you lie.
We have a people forget that for this week, too. The combined age for Caleb Williams, 44, five years younger than the starting quarterbacks in Utah, Oklahoma State.
Yeah. I mentioned that on Wednesday.
Yeah, that's crazy. It's a people forget that.
I've seen it everywhere. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Giants and Browns. Ugh.
Gross. Ugh.
Is Conklin going to play? Ugh. If he plays, then I think I like the Browns.
I kind of want to bet on the Giants this week. Ugh.
I don't hate it. I know it's gross.
There's two gross bets out there. There's more than two.
There's more than two. I mean, the Panthers will get two.
That one's for sure. I do think that if the Giants lose this game, the Brian Daybol hot seat, it's officially hot.
So I want to take the Giants in this game. I am worried about Daniel Jones against the Blitz.
You saw it week one against Brian Flores' defense. Jim Schwartz is going to do something similar.
Like Daniel Jones played okay against the Commanders because their defense can't do the things that the Browns defense and the Vikings defense can do. Like play defense.
Play defense. I saw a very funny stat, I believe.
Wait, was it? Oh, I think Daniel Jones was the only NFC East quarterback. Oh, no.

Never mind.

I don't have the stat.

They were the only team to.

Oh, no.

I have the stat.

The Commanders were the only team in week two, NFC East team in week two to not score a touchdown.

They were also the only NFC East team to win.

Interesting.

That's pretty cool.

The Giants.

I said the stat in the inverse way on Monday's show, but the Giants the first team in nfl history to lose a game where they scored three touchdowns yeah and their opponent didn't score a single touchdown that's never happened before yeah um did you know that amari cooper's 30 years old that seems right oh i thought he was older no that seems about he's just been around for a while yeah that seems about i feel like we've seen him for for a long time uh yeah i think i like the giants this week i know it's stupid i know there's really no no reason to love the giants but but i do there's a couple yeah the giants are definitely in the catching catcher falling knife team category where it's like i like that you're gonna do it eventually yeah just hope you time it well you think uh you think dable brought in a clip of the Saquon Barkley drop and showed it to Mr. Mara? I was like, look.
He might have. He's a loser.
He's a losing player. He's a losing running back.
Shout out to Giants. That actually was probably their first win of the season.
Yes, that was huge. With Saquon dropping that.
Giants fans were celebrating heavily. Mr.
Mara got his first night of sleep this season yes yes um okay yeah this is a gross game i don't know what to do with it i think this is one of those games too you have them every sunday where you can point to it be like whatever i choose i'm gonna be wrong yeah yeah so uh eagles and saints max max are we overreacting to the saints or overreacting to the eagles neither okay so we're correct about both yeah so we've been saying that the saints are great and that the eagles stink the line would say we're overreacting to the saints and overreacting to the eagles Neither. Okay.
Okay.

I'm worried for you, Max, without A.J. Brown.

Oh, yeah.

He's the guy that you need to beat the Saints defense,

and he's not there.

Also, Max, would you like to comment on the fact

that Reed Blankenship said after the game,

we're a player-led team at the end of the day.

We know what we did is on us. So they don't need coaches in Philadelphia is pretty much what he said.
You're talking about how Jalen Hurts did all of the time? No, no. How Reed Blankenship said we're a player-led team.
Yeah. Where's Memes? He's coming.
I don't know. We don't know where Memes is? He said he's coming.
Wait, I didn't even realize Memes wasn't back there.

Hey, Pug.

We got Pug.

All right, Pug's here.

He's the Eagles fan.

Pug, what do you think about the comment that Reed Blankenship made

about Jalen Hurts saying he talked to the team after and said,

we're a player-led team at the end of the day,

so they don't even need coaches?

Yeah, they are a player-led team.

It's true. So do they not need coaches? Just coordinators.
Just coordinators they need? Just coordinators, no head coach. Pug.
Okay. So just get rid of Syria.
I'm going to take over from Pug here. I didn't love what he just said there.
We do need coaches. Coaches are good.
Coaches are, you know, they're not talented right now But you need them Wait the coaches lack talent They're not talented right now Talent's not something you can just like Doesn't go up and down It's not a hot and cold thing I've already given my report card on the Eagles But Max are you saying that the coaches lack talent? Right now They're right now. They're not talented at being coaches.
Currently. Just currently.
But things can change. So it's a coaching issue for the coaches.
Correct. They need to get more talent out of themselves.
Correct. But I also like your leaders stepping up and being leaders.
Right. So like Jalen Hurts, the report was after the game, Jalen Hurts took over the locker room, and he was the one that spoke, and Nick Sirianni didn't say anything, and then when asked about it later, he goes, Jalen Hurts said everything that I needed to say.
That would have been funny if Jalen Hurts was talking, and because Nick Sirianni is so Italian, he was just doing sign language in Italian. I'll also say this.
I also think the players may respect Jalen Hurts more than Nick Sirianni. You think? So I don't hate Jalen Hurts taking over that role of motivating the players.
So you don't have a coach? No, he's not very good. No, you don't have a coach? We have Jalen Hurts, great leader.
Okay. And coach? So who makes up the game plan? Yeah.
Who sets the schedule? That could be the coach. No, wait.
Sets the schedule. That's the NFL.
No, like the practice. Like, all right, this is what we're going to do.
No, the actual schedule of like, all right, this is when we're going to lead. Like practice tomorrow at 8 o'clock.
But like I'm saying, you know, motivation, you know. That's all on Jalen.
So what would it be that you would say Nick Sirianni does? I told you, they're not overreacting about the Eagles. Right.
No, this is not an overreaction. What I'm saying...
Just like I'm not panicking, you're not overreacting. No, no, no.
I'm saying that they're right about their overreaction to the Eagles. So like it's not an overreaction.
not an overreaction. Oh, they're just – it's fair.
It's fair reaction. So it sounds like they've been having players-only meetings this entire time.
No, I think that it started after. It's kind of just like a cuck chair situation.
They're having players-only meetings, but Nick Sirianni is sitting there. He's watching, yeah.
Nick Sirianni definitely thinks he's on a text chain with all of his offense, and they're on a side text chain. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. So you don't have a coach.
I'm not over here trying to convince you that it's good. It's bad.
Also, I got into the film room a little bit. I did, too.
I watched the All-22 of Caleb. Not that bad.
I didn't watch the All-22. I watched one thread of a guy who watched the All-22.
Okay, nice. The D-line is so much worse than you could possibly imagine.
Yeah, it's really bad. I think they have the worst run defense in the NFL.
I have a solution for you. I have a guy.
I have something. Okay.
You go. I have a guy that you guys can get.
He was first in pressure rate in 2022 and third in pressure rate in 2023, and you can have him. Do you want him? Aaron Donald? No.
His name's Bryce Hoff. Oh, no.
He sucks. He was first in pressure rate two years ago, third last year, and so far through two weeks he's tied for 146th so this is what happened i want to he has you know what his stats are this year he has one stat can you guess what it is a combined tackle he has one assisted tackle yeah yes he's he has a 67 missed tackle rate oh that's not good he well no hold on 33 of the time he's tackling someone yeah half tackling He has zero hurries.
33% of the time he's tackling someone. Half tackling.
Zero hurries. 33% of the time he's getting 50% of a tackle.
Also, this is the worst part of it all. Oh, there's more? This is what I found through the tape.
The Falcons' game plan was to stop Jalen Carter no matter what. So they were doubling the tackle and the guard on Jalen Carter every play and going one-on-one with a tight end in Bryce Huff.

That's not good.

That's bad.

And he wasn't getting any pressure.

Zero pressure, one-on-one, tight end.

Wow.

Wow.

I only saw a couple plays because, like I said, it was a thread.

But that's what that thread told me. What about another player, Max, that might be available? He hasn't played this year.
Aaron Donald? No, he hasn't played this year, but he knows the system. Even though, like...
He knows the town. He knows the fans.
Fletcher Cox? He doesn't mind getting booed. No, it's not Fletcher Cox.
Chris Long? No. Namdi Asamoah? No, his name is Hassan Redick.
No, yeah. I mean, you heard me try to make that trade.
Yeah, the trade was actually executed, I believe. Yeah, I don't think it was ever executed.
He wanted a second. He wanted a second.
I would only give him a third. Yeah.
So the bad news is for the Eagles, you're playing against the best offense in the NFL. I know it's only through two weeks.
Yeah. But it's a record-setting offense through two weeks, and it's not really a good position for a get-right game.
You guys would absolutely love to go up against a bottom-tier offense right now just to feel better. I don't like the Eagles winning this game.
I believe in the Saints, and I don't believe in the Eagles. The pass rush is just the D-line is going to ruin it.
And no A.J. Brown.
No, I don't believe in the Eagles. The pass rush is just...

The D-line is going to ruin...

And no, A.J. Brown.

No, I don't feel good about this game at all.

And Nick Sirianni making decisions of any kind.

Yeah.

He just needs to be...

He's...

And we say it all the time when we defend Dan Campbell.

Just have some consistency, Nick Sirianni.

You go for it

in the first half.

You don't go for it at the end of the game.

What are you doing? Just have consistency.

Stick to a plan.

Just be like, this is the way we're going to run

this operation and we're going to do it this way

and that's what we're doing.

I think the Saints are

for real. I know one of their two games, half of their sample size is against the Panthers, but I still like the Saints.
I think they're flying around on defense too. That's the part that's a little surprising to me.
And the offense looks – it's different. It's different from the Saints offenses that we've seen in the past.
There's more complications. There's more motion.
So it puts a lot of pressure on the defense and just don't run the prevent defense.

Do you think we gave the Saints coach a little bulletin board when we, when we picked him

last and the, I still can't remember his name, but Dennis Allen, Dennis Allen, when we, when

he was the last overall pick in our coaches draft.

No, I think he's used to it by now.

No.

And I don't, I don't really attribute any of the start for the Saints on Dennis Allen.

Okay.

He doesn't get it.

It's Clint Kubiak. Yeah.
There's another Kubiak. Yeah, I know.
He's got a brother. Yeah Saints on Dennis Allen.
Okay. He doesn't get any credit.
It's Clint Kubiak.

Yeah.

There's another Kubiak.

Yeah, I know.

He's got a brother.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah.

All right, that was fun.

All right.

We've got two more early games.

Broncos at Bucs.

So, this is a gross one, Hank.

I think I might take the Broncos.

That is a gross one.

I saw that. Was it six and a half? It's six and a half.
So my thought process is. It's a sucker line.
I thought about it too, though. The Broncos have played the Seahawks on the road week one with Bo Nix, and then they played a very good Steelers defense.
I think the Bucs defense obviously super banged up. Baker's been phenomenal.
I do think Baker is probably playing a little bit above where he's going to end up average wise uh so i yeah i i don't know i i also it's it's gross for every single reason because uh do you know the record for the broncos in the last eight games last eight games one and seven no oh and eight that they own eight is partially correct. They're 2-6.
Their two wins were both against Easton Stick. Okay.
So, yeah, pretty much 0-8. Yeah.
We also had Sean Payton said after the game on Sunday, we have to start really looking at who we are asking to do what. What scheme fits our players? What scheme fits our quarterback quarterback it's your quarterback in your scheme sean that's yours yeah you're who are you asking you should have asked that question before the draft you should ask that question before the draft mini camp training camp preseason week one you shouldn't be asking the question now he's going to try to figure it out in as many ways possible so we talked about using more rpos yeah against them he's just going to throw a lot of shit at the wall see what sticks the one thing i will say that's good for the broncos is sean payton knows the division yeah he knows the bucks pretty well that's true um he's got one really good player on defense and patrick sertan yep and i don't know if you stick him on mike evans for the whole game that means that chris godwin's just going to eat eat you alive because Chris Godwin's been playing really well this year.
Yeah, the Lions just weren't covering him. Again, this is gross.
I just think that the Bucs, it's pretty much the NFL. You're never as bad as everyone thinks you are.
You're never as good as everyone thinks you are. Everyone thinks the Bucs are incredible.
Everyone thinks the Broncos are the worst. It's got to be somewhere closer to the middle.
Yeah, probably. But, I mean, I see six and a half.
Yeah. And I just want to take it.
But, again, this is one of those blinking red light situations where it's like if I love a bet that much, you probably should not take it. Yeah, I just think Bo Nix might be a little bit better because Sean Payton might actually start thinking about his quarterback in the scheme.
So it's like with Bo N nicks they might do kind of what the the falcons

had to do at the end of the game with kurt cousins which is just go out there like make build the entire offense out of your two-minute drill yeah that's what i wanted them to do with justin fields forever yeah just let them just go out there and sling it uh okay speaking of another stinky one packers at titans uh malik willis so we're doing the jordan love fake he's gonna play thing. I don't think Jordan Love's going to

play. He was in practice

but I don't think Jordan Love's going to play. He was in practice, but I don't think he's going to play.
There's no reason for the Packers to risk playing him this week. What they're doing, I think, is essentially a play-action fake before the game.
Yeah, it's part of Matt LaFleur's strategy. Yeah, they're like, get ready for the pass.
We're going to pass it, and then Malik's going to play, and we're just going to run the ball again. They have already – the Malik Willis era in Green Bay is already a success because when Jordan Love went down in the first week of the season and you said, hey, he's going to miss, you know, whatever, three to four games, if you're a Packer fan, if you're in the Packers organization, you're like, if we can eke out one or two wins in this stretch, we're good.
So they have the Vikings next week, which will be big for the NFC North. And why would you play Malik Willis? Or sorry, why would you play Jordan Love against a very good defense in the Titans? I think it's all smoke screens.
I think it's Malik Willis again. I also like the Titans.
Malik Willis revenge game, but not really because of that quote.

He didn't say I could care less.

Yeah, I think I got paid the whole time I was there.

Yeah, which is that's a good way to look at it.

He's got perspective.

Yeah, he said shout out Miss Amy, which I love whenever Miss Amy, the owner of the Titans.

Yeah, no, I kind of would want my quarterback to be a little more like, yeah, it's a fucking revenge game.

Yeah, fuck.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, but again, if Malik Willis was like, yes, it it's a revenge game then he goes in there and he wants to do too much malik willis yeah like last week the packers dialed down the malik willis level to like 0.5 out of 10 and they won the football game if you crank that knob up and you're like we're going seven out of ten malik willis that's when he starts to do malik willis things yes i i so here's here's my case for the Titans uh their first two games went basically exactly the same where their defense balled out they got a punt blocked and Will Levis had a horrendous turnover that fucked him uh one was a pick six against the Bears the other was uh fumble backwards on the six yard line going in I'm doing visualization there's been a lot of talk you know Brian Callahan motherfucking Will Levis Will Levis actually saying yeah of course he motherfucked me I'm an idiot I was motherfucking myself I think this is going to be a four o'clock or 3 30 central time whatever 4 30 central time uh the picture is Will Levis and brian callahan arm in arm smiling we finally got a win we did it everything's working that's that's just my visualization for this game it sounds like a daydream it might be a daydream i also have a stat for you that's pretty remarkable the uh from cbs research the titans are oh and two despite allowing the fewest total yards in the nfl so the last time that happened that a team started 0-2 uh with allowing the fewest total yards in the nfl through two weeks was the 1994 cardinals who actually started 0-3 and ended up finishing 8-8 so my point behind all that is the titans are probably better than their 0-2.
They'll be in some of these games. They were in both their games.
Yeah. And listen, some of those, some of those yards came on turnovers that were deep in your opponent's territory.
Right. So that's, that's not doing any favors.
And, and again, Malik Willis, that was a phenomenal game plan against the Colts. Matt LaFleur is a really, really good coach.
I expected that out of Matt LaFleur. He threw some wrinkles.
He played to their strengths. I just think this Titans defense is different than the Colts defense where you're not going to be able to run the ball like you did, and Malik Willis is going to be pressured in a way that the Colts weren't able to pressure Malik Willis.
Are you a little bit worried that the Packers have fixed their defense? They might have fixed a little bit of their defense. Jeff Halfley's, yeah.
That's why he went from a head coaching job in college to defensive coordinator. Yeah, they didn't turn the ball over last year on defense, and now I think they lead the league in interceptions.
They did play Jalen Hurts and Anthony Richardson. That's true.
Yeah. That's true.
You're going to lump Jalen in with Anthony? For turnovers. Okay, okay.
No, the Packers defense is good. I think the packers are a good team and it's it's i expect them to win last week like like i said this is how good organizations run you lose your quarterback and they still find a way to tread water i just i'm i'm buying the titans this is stupid they'll probably end up losing by seven somehow lead the game all game and then lose by seven but i'm gonna do don't hate it.
I don't hate it. And in fact, I like betting on teams that look really, really bad against teams that just look really, really good.
Right. It's a good formula.
Right. And the Titans' defense is very, very good.
And because of their 0-2 record, I think they're getting overlooked a little bit. Okay.
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And 24 hours later, he was like, just kidding, Andy Dalton's our quarterback. There's no better sign of a quarterback not being your quarterback anymore than saying Bryce Young is our quarterback.
The old lovey Rex is our quarterback. Now, that's the death knell for a quarterback.
He might have just said Bryce Young is a quarterback. He is a quarterback.
And everyone thought that he said are. Yeah.
Yeah. There's reports that Bryce Young was pissed.
Well, of course he's pissed. He's probably pissed at himself.
He's probably embarrassed. Yeah.
I mean, it's been pretty embarrassing what he's put on tape for the last season and two games. It really really crazy to think that they went this entire offseason didn't play him in the preseason except for like one drive and then they're like okay i think we're good to go with bryce so yeah you can say i think two things are true i think you can say uh the organization failed him yes and you can also say that bryce doesn't look like he's very good at playing quarterback at the NFL level on his own.
Right. It's also very apparent the organization failed him in the fact that there are two Panthers quarterbacks who are leading the league in touchdowns.
Yeah. And then another guy that the Panthers could have had that hasn't thrown an interception yet.
Yeah. Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnot being ex-Panthers in that picture being like, yeah, this is what happened.
So I do feel bad for Bryce. I do think they're live in this game because of Andy.
Yeah, so all of his teammates have to be feeling like a little bit better that they have a quarterback that can go out there and maybe complete a pass. Like Adam Thielen has to be every play.
He has to be like running a little bit harder. The offensive line has to be playing like a tiny bit harder because they think that they have a chance.
Those guys know. They know in the locker room who gives them the best chance to win, and it's Andy Dalton.
Andy Dalton did play last year for the Panthers. He's a dinosaur, though.
But he had that game against the Seahawks where he threw for like 300-plus yards. He's still got the red rifle arm.
He's still good. So are you going to do it? I think I'm going to bet them plus five.
I don't. Money line is.
Okay. Seems crazy.
Here's something that might help. The Raiders have not.
But the line stinks. The Raiders have not been able to run the ball.
So the Raiders are averaging two and a half yards per carry for 39 rushes. The Panthers, your strategy of betting, running back to score against the Panthers has worked well this year.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to do it this week. Well,'t know if the Raiders can run the ball.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Alexander Madison, he's got two touchdowns, but he hasn't been good at all, really.
Or he hasn't been productive at all is a better way to put it. He scored.
The Raiders have had a mixed bag, but I don't love the idea of the Panthers' defense getting carved up. We also have Gardner Minshew might have found his swag back.
I think he's leading the league in completion percentage. But do you remember the clip of Max Crosby going and talking to Gardner Minshew on the sideline during the Ravens game? So Gardner Minshew said what he was told by Max Crosby.
He said, he grabbed me and just said, hey, we got your we need that washington state gardener we need that and gardener said man you're right dude let me see if i can go whip that up real quick love that he whipped he whipped up the cougar he's just like let me whip that gardener up real quick i like that it's fucking great that's the best gardener yeah the best garden is when he's showing up for games wearing like a bomber jacket and the Aviators. Let me whip that up.
He's just in fuck it mode. Southern Rock Gardner is the absolute best.
I think I would take Gardner Minshew if he said, I'm going to whip that up. Anything.
Anything that he whips up, I'm buying. If he's whipping, I'm getting whipped.
Yeah. Let's do it.
Brock Bowers has looked awesome. Awesome.
He's looked awesome. They have exact opposite hair, Brock Bowers and Gardner Minshew.
Yeah. There's definitely some jealousy going on that line.
Oh, for sure. I think Brock Bowers has the most receiving yards in the first two games in NFL history for any rookie for a tight end.
He surpassed Mike Ditka. Ooh.
How about that? How about that? Gronk said that Brock Bowers is next up. He anointed him.
Ben Gronk. Gronk.
It's got to be so awesome to be Gronk just being like, yeah, I was the best ever because he said he could be on my tier. I like that.
But the thing is, if Gronk tried to do if he played in Vegas, I don't think that would have worked out. No, that would not have.
Early Gronk, no chance. I don't know.
It's going to be a game time decision whether i take the panthers probably stupid we also have a little uh a little reunion between andy dalton and marvin lewis who get the gang back together who maybe some tears big my visualization is giant post-game hug between andy dalton and marvin lewis after this game i don't know who's gonna win who's gonna be happier in that hug but're going to hug the shit out of each other. Seems like two guys that don't, they can't have bad blood.

Yeah.

They're just two nice guys.

You can't hate, like the stuff that they accomplished for the Bengals was remarkable

given the history of the Bengals.

Yeah, no playoff wins, but still remarkable.

No playoff wins, but they went to the playoffs.

A lot.

Always on Saturday at noon.

Against the Texans.

Yep.

Okay, next up, Dolphins and Seahawks.

So it's Skylar Thompson time. I was trying to talk.
talk by the way i think the seahawks are very good i think gino is very good i think the seahawks are very good uh if kenneth walker can get healthy i think that's a complete team the dolphins uh skylar thompson's gonna start they are saying every they're saying all the right things that uh mike mcdaniel said skylar thompson a new man he said when you're watching in 2024 it might be the same name on the jersey but you're seeing a different man i was trying to get myself to be like maybe i'll bet on the dolphins and then i kept on hitting a wall and i was trying to figure out what's that wall and i I found it. Skyler Thompson wearing number 19 is terrible.

That's a bad quarterback name.

It's Johnny Unitas and nothing else.

Yeah, number 19, it's a good backup quarterback number if he never gets on the field.

Correct.

But the second he steps on the field, it's a warning sign

that this is a very backup quarterback.

It's not only a bad – so I think they should never have a quarterback

number 19 since Johnny Unitas. Like, don't do it that was Johnny Unites his number uh I was looking up who else wore number 19 Joe Montana did but with the Chiefs okay so that's kind of indicative of it also fun fact uh there are three numbers sorry four numbers including 19 that a starting quarterback has never won a Super Bowl with?

Number one?

Mm-hmm.

Number two? numbers sorry four numbers including 19 that a starting quarterback has never won a super bowl with number one number two cam newton and matt ryan came close and number six so one two six 19 cutler who else was six uh i don't know probably some other non-quarter super bowl winning quarterback yeah mark sanchez yeah 19 is not and then and so I went even deeper, and I tried to find top 10 players, number 19. And this just further proves that you should not wear number 19 because Johnny Unitas was obviously number one.
They had Joe Montana eight because it was Chiefs Joe Montana. Do you want to know who number five was? This is why number 19 does not work.
This is the fifth best, according to just a random website, which obviously doesn't really matter, the fifth best player to wear number 19. There's no chance I can guess this.
Juju Smith-Schuster. Okay.
According to this list. Yeah, I mean, it's a bad number.
I saw it. I was like, what the fuck? He had one good year in Pittsburgh.
Yeah, I mean, also the list doesn't really make sense because like Amari Cooper's number nine ted ginn jr who's better than juju was number seven adam thielen also better than juju six but i just laughed at seeing that yeah that's like what the fuck that's wildly disrespectful of ted ginn yeah yeah it was uh john unitus lance allworth queshawn bernie kosar juju yeah it's not good number nine if ideally if you had to just draw it up say, my starting quarterback on my franchise will wear this number, what number would that be? What's the best quarterback number visually? Okay. 12.
12 is pretty good. I think it's three numbers.
I think it's 7, 12, 18. I kind of like 17, too.
Okay. 17 looks pretty good.
I think 7, 12, 18, and then Mahomes is going to make 15. Mah 15 moms and tebow yeah yeah those are those are the when you think quarterback numbers i'm like 7 12 18 12 17 and 5 i like 5 a lot 5 5 5 5 is a good number yeah 5 is a decent number um but yeah that's that was my whole skylar thompson he's wearing number 19 I don't 19 is oh uh is your fourth wide receiver an awesome punt return 19 is the guy that showed up late on the day they handed out the jerseys right and he's wearing one that doesn't even fit him it's just not a good can I give you a counter stat to that yeah so this might be a reason to bet on the Dolphins okay they're 8-0 with Kevin Harlan announcing their games since 2022.
Oh, wow. And this is going to be a Harlan game.
Okay. So go perfect 9-0.
9-0. They have the opportunity to go perfect on this.
A Harlan game. Yeah.
I like that. Didn't Frank the Tank say that they never win when Kevin Harlan calls their games? That's a statistical fact.
Yeah, but the counter statistic would be that they're perfect in the last two years with him on the call. Yeah.
So I don't know which one's right. If Frank's right or the numbers are right.
I'm going to say the numbers are probably right. I think Frank might be right.
Yeah. Okay.
Let's go with Lions and Cardinals. So big news out of Detroit.
Dan Campbell had to sell his house because Lions fans found the address. That sucks.
I would assume that would happen more frequently, right? Word gets out. He said he loves the neighborhood, everything.
There's plenty of space. It's on two acres.
The home is beautiful. It's just that people figured out where we lived when we lost.
So, what were they doing? I don't know. That seems a little dramatic little dramatic you're psycho if you go after dan campbell come on i hope it wasn't just after this loss like i feel like people know where people live yeah but it's not that crazy but he sold his house so uh he's got to be thinking about that he's got to move i mean moving sucks it does stink maybe he's just maybe that's a little smoke screen might be yeah if you just say that you're moving yeah and And then people assume that you're not going to put up a sign, put up the soul on it.
Yeah, it does stink. Maybe that's a little smokescreen.
Might be. Yeah, if you just say that you're moving, and then people assume that you're up.
Put up a sign, put up the sold on it. Hire like a U-Haul just to park in the driveway for a couple days.
I think that loss to the Bucs was the best thing that could happen to the Lions. Because Jared Goff threw the ball 55 times, which is not what you want to do as the Lions when you have Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery.
And if you want to beat the Cardinals, the Bills kind of showed how to do it. Just run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, play action, Josh making plays.
The game against the Rams was over in the first quarter because of Kyler Murray. I think the Lions are going to get back to basics.
I think they're going to pound the rock. They're going to get play action going.
Amon Ra has a leg injury, but I think he's going to play. I think this was a good loss for the Lions that they got away from themselves a little bit.
They tried to play a little bit too much into, oh, the Bucs secondary's banged up. Let's throw it all over them.
And this one, you read the quotes Dan Campbell saying, we've got to get Sam LaPorter more involved. I think this is a good spot for the Lions.
Yeah, so right now they have a split in the red zone on 31 red zone plays. They've passed the ball 18 times.
They've run it 13 times. So that's the second most pass attempts by percentage in the NFL.
Last year, the Lions ran the ball 58% of the time in the red zone and threw it 42%. So it's like exactly flip-flopped from where it was last year.
And Arizona's red zone defense stinks. Right.
So it does feel like it's a get-right game for the Lions on that front. And sometimes you have these losses where you wake up and you're like, what just happened? Why did we do what we did? We're the Detroit Lions.
We have a formula. It works.
Just go back to it. Yeah.
Also, it's going to be on the road. So Dan Campbell doesn't have to worry about people coming to his house yeah he's gonna be gone it's fun that this game is like think about this game five years ago what a stunk yeah and it's fun it is a fun game if i were dan campbell i would probably i would just buy a farm just go live on a farm yeah that's what you want to do anyways the facility yeah yeah exactly you should be living in your office you should be living in your playbook right now dan, Dan.
Do you guys have any other thoughts on this game?

This is my fun watch game of the week.

It's nice.

It's going to be a good uniform matchup.

Sneaky good uniform.

The uniforms and the colors, they scream points to me.

Yep, agreed.

Late afternoon, Kyler Murray doing crazy shit.

Marvin Harrison, he's arrived.

Yeah.

Fully arrived.

It'd be funny if they didn't pass him the ball in non-divisional matchups yeah and just only against the nfc west we're like we're gonna unleash marv eat him eat him then uh okay ravens at cowboys another fun game uh afternoon slate's great so we've talked about kickers we've talked about justin tucker We sometimes accidentally do this on this show where we start a narrative and then weirdly we're right and the numbers completely back it up. So NFL kickers through the first two weeks are 35 of 37 on 50-plus yard field goals.
The only two misses, Justin Tucker. Yeah, he's got two.
So we nailed it. And we nailed it when we said that Justin Tucker's washed.
Yeah. Well, everyone else is kicking these insanely long field goals and doing it easily, and Justin Tucker can't.
Yeah, so it's a must win. I'm declaring it's a must win for the Ravens.
I think so. If they lose, I think only one team since the year 2000, since the expansion, has made the playoffs after starting 0-3.
And they're outgaining their opponents. They are playing good football minus the penalties.
It's just they've got to win this game. I like the Ravens just because of purely sense of urgency.
Yeah, and they've lost two close games in the fourth quarter in two very different ways. The one against the Chiefs, obviously, week one was lost by like a toenail.

And then the one against the Raiders was lost by just giving up an easy lead in the fourth quarter.

So they got to get it right.

The Ravens have, it's a must win for them.

I like the Ravens this week.

Yeah.

Do you know, here's a weird stat that would blow your mind.

If Mike McCarthy wins two more games this year, which I would assume he does, he will have broken the record for most wins by a Cowboys coach in their first five years. So he would have beaten Jimmy Johnson, which is kind of funny.
Yeah, it is. Kind of crazy.
Does that include postseason? I don't think it includes postseason. It's because Jimmy Johnson inherited a terrible team and they won 1-15 his first year.
Yeah. But Mike McCarthy, he knows how to rack up wins in the regular season.
This does feel like a game that you can start to believe in the Cowboys and if they win. Yeah.
This is a believe game. It's a believe game.
Whoever wins this game, it's like, yep, they're a good team. You should be able to add the Ravens as a pinky team if they go 0-3.
Because at that point, you actually wouldn't think that they would win the Super Bowl, right? I'll consider it. Yeah, I'll consider it.
I'll consider it. Not people that want me to cut off my pinky.
Quite unsettling. 49ers at Rams.
Kitchen sink game. Ooh, I had this as an in-the-lab game.
Yeah, same thing. For Kyle? Yep.
No, oh! I had it for Sean. Oh, I had it for...
So I think Kyle's going to be in the lab. Oh, I think Sean's yep no oh i had it for sean oh i had for i so i think kyle's gonna be in the lab oh i think sean's throwing the kitchen sink so it's a kitchen sink first lab game wow what's the more important room i think sean mcveigh is gonna do some fuck shit i think sean mcveigh is gonna do similar to what matt lafleur did last week being like we don't have anyone here's some crazy shit you've never seen before i think it's a it's a in lab game for Kyle because, one, he loves going to the lab against Sean.
Yeah. And he loves beating him.
Two, they're without Debo and Christian McCaffrey. Wait, Sean loves beating Kyle.
Sean loves beating Kyle? I'm pretty sure Sean beats Kyle except for the NFC Championship game. Or no, they beat him in the NFC Championship game.
What's the Rams? I'm pretty sure Sean beats kyle this is an annual tradition on part of my take where we mix up who owns who in the nfc west sean mcveigh versus kyle shanahan what is the record upper hand okay they have upper hand yeah all right so it's 10 10 and 5 for who for shanahan so kyle owns kyle owns sean but sean owns kyle in the playoffs. Okay.
He won the NFC Championship. He won that NFC Championship game.
Yeah, but I know that Kyle loves beating the shit out of Sean McVay. He's very good at it.
Yeah. And he's without Debo.
He's without Christian McCaffrey. Yep.
Hufanga is back. Who's back? Hufanga.
Yeah, so what I think he's going to do, this might be a Juch check game.. Ooh.
Because he likes, if he can't have Debo running the weird gadget shit, doing strange stuff out of the slot, he likes doing that with his fullback too. I could see that happening.
The reason why I like the Rams in this game is, and it's gross, the way that game went on Sunday, that game was over. Almost basically afterwards, Sean McVay said, there's no positives to take away from this game.
Yeah. Like, he just burned the tapes.
Even his wife was doing an Instagram story that said, tough times don't last, tough people do. She's a Razor Ramon fan.
Yeah, I don't know. I think this should be tighter than we think, because it feels like the Rams might be dead, but they got one more shot.
Hey, let's throw everything at it. Kitchen sink.
Aren't they getting one of their guys back there? They're getting some offensive line. The guy's back from his suspension, right? Yeah, but Cooper Cup and Puka are both out.
Yeah, so the line might get one better guy back. I don't know.
I guess this is going to be a determination. What's better, kitchen sink or the lab? Yeah.
And I think Kyle's, I think he's got his mad scientist coat on this week. I love that's got the biofocals graduated cylinders beakers love that bunsen burners all right so last game chiefs at falcons we did we should have said uh raheem morris all time uh coach having his players back after drake london got this uh flag for doing the gun signal he said drake is a great kid his intent was not as a use of a weapon.
He probably was shooting T-shirts into the stands, to be honest with you, because he's just that kind of guy. I love that.
That's a great spin zone. That's great.
I went back. I watched the All-22 on the celebration.
He was tapping the side of the gun. He was showing tremendous trigger discipline.
He was probably showing the safeties on. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
His fingers were on the side of the gun, and he was tapping it. It was not on the trigger.
trigger yeah so i guess in the woke nfl you can't even shoot a gun in the crowd anymore it's crazy it's wild it's crazy i kind of like the falcons uh did you also know uh that the falcons are giving away free hot dogs free chips free refillable drinks on uh sunday night i did not know that it is for the induction of arthur

blank into the ring of honor which that's awesome don't really understand that because if you're

the owner why wouldn't you just put yourself in it right away that's the best part about being an

owner is you can have a night commemorating yourself yeah he's there they have the souvenir

cups i think arthur blank does the souvenir cups just have a big picture of his face on it i got

to get one of those cups. And you get the free hot dog, free

Thank you. self yeah he's there they have the souvenir cups i think arthur blank does the souvenir cups just have a big picture of his face on it i gotta get one of those and you get the free hot dog free chips free refillable drinks i every team should do their owner's night yeah and then you should sell the cups and i would collect all 32 owner's cups a celebration of arthur i don't think they can't lose on arthur blank night no he's going to be on the sidelines the game.
The fans come to see Art. Yeah, so are they going to retire his number? I guess so, or his suit? Just hang it.
Yeah, they should hang a giant red suit. His face? The velvet? Yeah.
His mustache? Hang a giant Home Depot banner at midfield? I just think the Chiefs are, even though they're 2-0, they haven't looked incredible. They've survived two tough games.
No Pacheco. No Pacheco.
Carson Steele's going to – and they also signed Kareem Hunt. I just – yeah, I think the Falcons – that was one of those galvanizing wins.
They might have gotten their groove back. They kind of feel good about themselves.
Although I do want – I want to see a Carson Steele game. Yeah.
For Kroki, the alligator. Yeah, they said, I saw a beat reporter said that someone on the Falcons said this was one of the biggest wins they've had, or if not the biggest win in the last five years, which I think it was.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
Easily the best win they've had in the last five years. So this is a turning point.
I think the Falcons are live. Yeah.
The Falcons are live. I think going up against Andy Reid and Spags is going to be a little bit different than going up against a team with no coach i do worry about the matchup chris jones versus kirk cousins achilles yeah that one scares me a little but we'll see just go no huddle the entire time yeah two minute drill the whole time rip it just rip it the entire time um okay so a couple things we got to do we got to do our picks but we also have to do our touchdown parlay.
So, Max, you're out. I'm in.
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Yep. So let's get a winner.
Let's get a winner. Hank, give us someone.
I'm going to go with Nico Collins. Okay.
CJ Stroud's favorite target. Okay.
Besides Mrs. Tepper.
He's a little banged up, but he'll be okay. Why are you going to do that? Because I have him in my fancy leagues and he had the the red thing next to him then what are the odds on him i haven't changed anything i just saw the red thing next to him you know what i'm talking about plus 110 okay i'm gonna go with uh revenge game for himself for dropping that pass saquon barkley okay he's gonna's going to score.
He's got to. After that, after what happened.
And being down on the goal line. Right.
He's got to score. They're going to make sure he scores.
BK, I want to take Khalil Herbert. Okay.
Talk me out of it. I like it.
No, I can't. It's a little juicy.
I can't. Plus 255.
I can't. Colts defense, not good at all.
Hank wants to talk. I'm a hater, but you, everything I say.
So, oh, he's a little banged up. Well, I'm going away from my system.
That's fair. That's fair.
That's fair by you. I even think, for some dumb reason, I think that having Andy Dalton as your quarterback in Carolina is going to make the defense play harder.
Yeah. So, I'm not going to pick against the Panthers in this.
I'm going to take Khalil Herbert. Who do you have?

Nico?

Do you want to pick?

All right.

Should we pick one afternoon one so it's spaced out so it's too early one afternoon?

I can change mine from Saquon.

I can change mine.

No, no. I kind of like these.

Let's just go with it.

All right.

You want to?

Yeah.

I was going to say, like, Dave Montgomery or Jameer Gibbs.

But yeah, okay.

It's good to get a win early.

All right.

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Is memes here? Memes! Memes. Memes.

Memes. Memes.
Memes. Memes, the Jets-Patriots game.
Everyone already heard us react to it, but you can predict it right now. I'm going to say 30 to 3.
Oh. Who wins? Jets.
Okay. Okay.
All right, so let's do our picks. We have decided on a punishment.
And we've, yeah, we, well, I guess you haven't, you weren't there when Max Piazza and I talked,

but I think you'll be fine with it.

Last place in the picks league this year is going to have to go to a bachelor party and wedding.

Same one.

Just become new friends. Same couple.
what do you think about that hank sure awls and then the i think you should have to blog it too who's picking log it what do you mean log it you log it everyone's gonna get whoever goes vlog i have to bring a little you might have to bring a cameraman yeah yeah might have to that's why so i mean me and memes are just fucked regardless. No, you don't have to go.
No, we don't have to have you. You don't like it, Hank? No, that's good punishment.
And then second place, we'll have to go to a retirement party. That's fine.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or a divorce party. I kind of like divorce party.

They can choose, retirement or divorce.

I'd like to go to a retirement party.

I think that'd be fun.

Divorce parties. We're not going to do a funeral.

Divorce parties get wild.

If a funeral pops up, we're not going to go.

Now, to tie in with the Super Bowl, though,

what if second place did the shadow mincy around for three days in New Orleans? I think the last place should have to do that, if anything. But we can maybe add that.
Hank, I'm feeling like you don't love it. Let's talk it out.
Let's be open. What are we thinking? Let's talk it out.
I'm fine with whatever you guys want to do. But let's talk it out.
I don't want to be a corporate overl i know a corporate overlord no bad ideas let's just talk it out how do we sell this uh you sell the vlog and you sell the blogs why can't we sell why can't we sell the bachelor party to coors light or something like that i have i you are the one who was like why does everything have to be a stream when i said that no well like the what we did... We did the Chevy, like, drive across the country that wasn't a stream.
The stand-up was a pay-per-view. You don't think someone would be down to sponsor this like we could get the bachelor party paid for and it's like, it's brought to you by this.
We get all the shirts, everyone wearing it. Well, let's not put that out there.
Okay. But it's a possibility.
We don that's there could be elements it's a possibility yeah disclaimer that's not a hundred percent true that your bachelor party will be paid correct yes correct but we could potentially figure out a way to have a situation where it's like we almost plan your bachelor party for you but we but again not pay for but we don't know this right you don know any of this. Maybe one night.
This is all speculative. Your wedding is paid for by part of my cheesesteak.
Yeah. I think what Hank's upset about is the fact that the stand-up is way worse of a punishment than going to a wedding and a bachelor party.
That's what he's upset about. The past is the past.
We got to get over the past. The past is the past.
past we also hank and i discussed someone's gotta do do a pinball punishment oh i mean the bachelor party and wedding sucks really bad for me and pft probably yeah sucks that's really bad for me could be okay really really bad i do think it'd be funny content especially fun at awl how many days would you go for two you have at least two. Two nights.
Two nights. Leave Friday, come back Sunday.
Yeah. Yeah.
Have to go for at least two nights. Because of the show.
Hank, think about this. You might...
You'd probably get to golf. I'm down.
I'm down. Probably get to golf.
I'm down. And if the person wants one of us to be in their wedding, that also...
We're down get a suit sponsor imagine being in i mean max is definitely gonna be also who are cool with this the one in the wedding the one weekend max doesn't have a wedding he's gonna have to do it as a punishment i'm in i am in last right now yeah it'd be so funny you're just gonna basically make a whole new group of friends and and they're our listeners. So this gets the listeners involved, too.

All right.

So what's the record so far?

I think everyone's 3-1.

Oh, there you go.

Hank, 3-1.

And the big cat memes, 2-2, max 1, 2-1.

Okay.

That tie is going to stick around for a while.

Yeah.

That tie is going to make a difference.

All right.

Who's up first?

And it was a fucking Bo Nix last minute All right. Who's up first? And it was a fucking Bo Nix last minute, nothing touchdown.
Who's up first? PFT. Okay.
I'm going to go with the Dolphins, Seahawks. I'm going to take the under on that game.
Ooh. Okay.
I'm going to go with the Bears. Don't laugh, Hank.
The Bears, Colts, over 43 and a half. Don't laugh.
Okay, I won't. Thank you.
I'm going to take... Dolphin Seahawks under is, right now, 41 and a half.
Okay. I'm going to take the Commanders-Bangles under 47.
Ooh, yeah. Okay.
I'm going to take Saints minus 2.5. Against who? Good pick.
The Eagles. Good pick, Memes.
The Eagles. I am going to start with Rams, Niners, under 44.5.
And I'm going to get stinky. Yeah, get stinky.
Panthers plus five. Yeah, I love it.
I love it. I'm going to take the Lions-Cardinals over 51.5.
Okay. I will take – I was going to take the Panthers.
I will go with the, I guess, 49ers minus seven. Hank, that's not you.
I know. That's not you, Hank.
Don't do that. That's not you.
The Panthers are so stinky. That's not you, Hank.
Take the Broncos. Do you want to get real stinky, Hank? That's stinky.
Yeah. Broncos are stinky.
They're so stinky. No, my pick is in.
Oh, your pick is in. Officially.
Yep. All right.
Take the Giants. That's also stinky.
I'll take the Falcons plus three and a half. Fuck.
You got to just go against Malik Willis again. You got to get your revenge.
It's a personal revenge game for you. I'm going to double my bet from last week.
I'm going to go with the Titans. Yes.
I believe in you this time. Last week.
I didn't believe in you this week. This might be the last time I get to bet against Malik Willis.
There you go. Let's go.
You have to take advantage of these moments. Yes.
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You mean Paddy Mahomes? I think he's going to come out and show people that he's better than Paddy Mahomes. Oh.
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Here's the thing, Pepin. Here's the thing.
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Orioles, they're my sleeper to win the World Series. Ah, damn.
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I watched cricket, but I think the Orioles, I'm just thinking who's gonna beat the Philz. Yeah, you.
I don't want to be the freaking junkies. The Baltimore Orioles might not even make the playoffs, eh? Is that possible? It is possible.
They've been playing the terrible, terrible baseball recently. They are a shite.
They are a shite. They are a shite recently.
Well, that's why they're sleepers. Everyone's sleeping on them.
Craig Kimbrough also sleeping. He sucks.
Yeah, they're two. They just waved the closer.

They're two and eight.

They waved them.

They waved them.

He's one of the best closers in MLB history.

He's the one who sets up like a bird, isn't he?

The Baltimore Orioles are four games up in the wildcard,

but they've been two and eight in the last ten.

Well, that's what I'm saying, mate.

It's the people that are sleeping on them.

Okay, are they going to do an Australian version of The Wire for Baltimore?

Have all these guys send you to lift your sleeves.

Yeah.

Shite.

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Shite.

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Nigel.

Nigel.

This week, I'm starting having pints with the lads.

Nigel. Have a couple of pints with the lads.
Go out and grab a couple of pints, right? A new beginning. I've been watching that show Industry.
Not sure what it's about. They're always having pints and fucking each other.
I love that. It's tremendous.
I watched the season of that and then I gave up. There's a lot of cocks in that show.
A lot of cocks. Cocks left and right.
It's like, oh, that guy's got a cock. A lot of sex.
That guy's got quarter cock. A lot of cocaine.
Crikey. Yeah.
So, I forget what I was starting. I don't know.
I was starting points. I was starting points with the boys.
Let's all go out and have some points with the boys. It's going to be a great time, isn't it? This week, my sleep, my sitting team, I'm going to sit Russell Wilson.
I think he's shite. Yeah.
I think he's probably done in the NFL because Justin Fields, Justino is going to have a

hell of a weekend.

He's going to have a great game.

His first great game.

I like that.

And then we're not going to see any more of that Russell Wilson all over my TV anymore.

And I'm going to be very, very happy about that indeed.

My sleep is your pages.

Don't get rid of your pages.

Yeah.

Bad week to have pages.

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Blow up. Might write, put a hole in your hip.
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Might blow up on you. Blow up.

Might write, put a hole in your hip.

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Have you lost your mind? Free touchdowns. I said it.
For the Colts defense? Free. That's very mean.
I don't like what you said there, Pippin. I was just trying to clarify.
It's very mean indeed. My sleepers nannies.
Did you see the viral nanny? She's hot. We're viral nannies.
There was a viral nanny. She's real hot.
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In all due respect, she's viral. My mate, Hugh Grant, absolutely loved his nanny.
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She's gone very viral.

Yeah.

Shout out that nanny.

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And now here's Spice Adams. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guests.
It's been too long. It is Spice Adams.
What's up, man? It's great to have you here, Anthony Spice Adams. Bear for life.

Indeed.

Talking some ball.

I want to talk everything, but let's start with, I guess we got to talk about.

We don't.

Whatever you about to say, we don't.

Well, I was going to say, we got to at least just briefly touch on panic meter for the Bears.

The panic meter.

People are freaking out.

Yeah.

All right.

So let's do it this. Let's not

do a Caleb conversation. Let me

do a bigger conversation.

Playing in the NFL,

your team starts the season.

At what point is there a

oh shit, this might not

be going the way we think it is? Because I

can't be week two. Week two is way too early,

right? Yeah, it is. I mean, and you're talking

to a guy that's, I went two and 14. Right.
I've been on teams that went 2-14, 4-12, 7-9. So you're talking to a guy that's basically been through it all.
But week two, nah, man. And we got a win under our belt already? Yeah.
I think they're good, man. Defense playing outstanding.
Special teams is really good. We just got to get the offense on the same page yeah at some point so what's the week that you would say like you can feel like this is what the team is we know what we are we maybe have an identity because that's also the part is like i feel like the first two weeks teams are trying to just figure out what their identity is what is what is the thing they want to lean on and do well i think by the second quarter you should know like this is the first quarter oh this is lovey this old lovey right yeah hey bro that's that was always the formula bro like that's all we know and um you know i think by the second quarter man you should know the type of team you get you should know if you're a running team if you're a play action team or if you're on defense and you're a defense that

stopped to run you're a defense that get a lot of takeaways like you should know that by the second so that's weeks five through eight five through eight yeah so in other words the week the season used to be broken down was a 16 game season yeah the first four games that was the first quarter of the season and then halfway through the second quarter you gotta know who you are now if you're on one of those teams where you have a great defense and a not so great offense yeah it's frustrating bro it's frustrating to watch too because they always bring up the stat it's always 21 points i think it's like dude if we just averaged 21 points here's how many wins we would have had imagine a team going on a 15 play drive and you stop them and you get a you're going off to the sideline, and everybody's shaking their hands like, hey, man, good job, and quarterback or somebody, whoever, go out there, throw an interception or fumble the ball. Now the defense right back out.
Like, dude, we were just out there for 15 plays, man, and we stopped a high-powered offense. Now we got to, like, get 25 seconds of rest, and now we back out there? Yeah.
Their junk is frustrating, man, and we stopped a high-powered offense. Now we gotta get 25 seconds of rest and now we back out there? That junk is frustrating, man.
The craziest thing that I think that maybe... We've been lucky enough to be around a lot of NFL players and you learn it over time, but fans are sitting on the couch, they don't fully realize...
All we can base off is like youth sports and like oh yeah your best

friends you play with them right in an NFL locker room I feel like it is a very clear divide offense and defense and you don't really because you're not in meetings with them you're not really you might have a friend or two on the other side but like for the most part you're sticking with your unit and your guys yeah and that's where some of the friction can happen if one side isn't is in Poland.

Is that,

is that a fair assessment?

Uh,

I don't know,

man.

Cause I'm,

I don't know,

man.

I don't know,

man.

I don't know,

man. your guys yeah and that's where some of the friction can happen if one side isn't isn't pulling is that is that a fair assessment uh i don't know man because i'm coming from uh a locker room where we were all together yeah like i understand what you're saying like when we break up the defensive line going to defensive line room linebackers going in their room tight ends going in their room But when we all get together in that locker room, dude, we were playing dodgeball.
We were playing basketball. Like, we were made up all kind of games in the locker room.
So it never really felt like, you know, we were all, like, individualized. You know what I mean? Like, we were playing with the old linemen and stuff like that.
And we battle all the time. So the fact that we were friends and we would go out to dinner and things like that, like I think the Bears were just different.
Like our whole like atmosphere in that locker room was crazy, man. It was a great thing to be a part of, bro.
I can't even front. But you're also different because you're friends with everyone.
Yeah, man. You're one of those guys that I feel like.
I'm an only child. Really? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm kicking with everybody, man.

I've always been like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Niners team, you also had Larry Allen on the offensive side, right? Oh, my gosh. So you didn't want to say anything bad because Larry Allen just whooped your ass.
That's the legalized killer right there. He's a psycho, right? God rest his soul, man.
dude like I've never got into my stance

and was just like

whatever I'm thinking is just not going to work. Like just, just being deflated as soon as you get in your stance.
I've never done that as many times as it was lining up against him in practice. And every time, you know, somebody wanted to go up against him, they'd be like, ah, man, take this rep for my leg.
I'm going to stretch my leg real quick, man. And I'll never forget this.
This is why my back feel like how it do right now. It would slip out of place.
My back would slip out of place every time I went up against Larry Allen. And we would do the Oklahoma drill.
Frank Gore would be the running back, and then it would be Larry, and then I'm on the other side of Larry. But we're in a 3-4, so I'm in a true zero.
So I'm not like on an edge or anything. Like I'm head up, and I got to back up off the ball because I have to mirror wherever they go.
So I'm in a true 3-4. So if he steps to his left, I got to step to my right.
If he steps to his right, I got to step to to my left so I'm just head up with Larry every practice and every time I'm just like low man wins this is what I'm telling myself in my head and I'm just like it doesn't matter with Larry dude cause he is like a tank bro if he wants to pancake you he's gonna pancake you if he wants to take you somewhere he's just gonna take you somewhere so i would just i would get in my stance and i would just like here and then frank could choose this gap or he could choose this gap either one of these a gaps and i'm not gonna reach out to try to tackle him i'm just here yeah so frank would just it was just a basically jaw drill for frank because i'm not if you reach your hand out, that's just saying, dump me. That's saying, Larry Allen, dump me and put all 400 pounds of yourself.
Or Frank just takes your arm off. Yeah.
Frank was going to do that anyway. That's just how Frank runs.
But Larry Allen was like, straight hand called him. He's a legalized killer.
Yeah. Maybe the strongest player to ever play in the NFL, right? Dude, so I seen him in a weight room.
He has five plates on with chains hanging off of it, like big, thick chains like you can hear. That's how you know Larry was in it.
He's in there by himself. He's, he got it on the bench and he likes to walk on the incline.
So he's walking on the incline. And so I come in there, and he starts to get on the bench.
I say, you need a spot? So the five plates that he has on there and the chains, he's just repping it as he's looking at me. So I'm like, all right, man, good talk, man.
See you tomorrow. So I just leave.
That dude was just unbelievably strong. Yeah.
Do you think – so talking about the Oklahoma draw, I don't think they even do it anymore, especially, you know, like training camps are different, preseason different. Do you – can you see it when you're watching the game? Like, oh, yeah, this doesn't – especially early in the season, like this doesn't look like what it should look like because these guys just haven't been playing together.
I don't know, man. It's just – football to me.
But, you know, we were the guinea pigs, man. I mean, we full pads, two a day, every day.
We were in full pads so much. When you erase it off the grease board, you could still see it.
You could still see the words full pads. It's crazy the amount of practicing we did in did in past bro and like now they got all the rules and hours that you can and can't do it and all of that so it's like now you want to get smart now you want to protect our brains yeah we had to go through the ringer for years man yeah two days three days sometimes for some coaches it was like the the more you suffer, the better you'll be.
I don't always subscribe to that, like the old school NFL coach mentality. And, I mean, I'm just drawn back to my high school experience.
But it seems like the coaches that you had that would be, like, the strictest, the ones that wanted to just beat the shit out of you, those ended up not always being the best head coaches uh i don't know sometimes it's hit or miss you know we had a legendary coach by the name of coach james reynolds at my high school martin luther king in detroit michigan man he and we ran 45 and 46 counter where i was pulling every doggone play and we just like bruh how many times are we going to run this play? And I would be pulling, like, every play, bro. But the amount of running that we did at my high school, it got me prepared to go to Penn State.
Because I was like, dang, practice is over with? Because that's all we did was run, man. I was like, dog.
But it paid off for me, man. Because by the time I got to college, I was like, oh, all right.
This is straight. This ain't bad.
How did your recruiting go? Did you get recruited by Michigan and Michigan State? I did. And you decided not to? It was kind of late.
Well, what happened was there was an upperclassman that was getting recruited by Penn State. He said, man, why don't you come out? First of all, I've never played football before.
Like, I didn't play Little League or nothing. Like, I was too big.
I've been this same size and height since I was 12. So I was like 290 when I was 12.
And you look good right now, by the way. I appreciate it, man.
Right now, I'm at like middle school weight. This is sixth grade.
Sixth grade. 270, 265, that's sixth grade.
That's insane. So they wouldn't let you play football? Yeah, because you got to be like 150 or 140, something like that.
I'm way over that. You're sixth grade Spice Adams right now.
So I'm like, I'm 5'11", 290 at 12. So I never played football.
So me, what happened, my mom drove me up to my high school. You had to take a test to get in the top three schools in Detroit.
Cass, King, and Renaissance. And I went to King.
So upon my mom knowing that I passed this test to get into the school, she was like, alright, cool. Now you about to play football.
And I'm like, ma, I don't want to play football like i'm from bad boys detroit baby i'll play basketball yeah we in the street we hoping hey here come a car man then we all right it's back on car gone like we we hoping so my mom take me up there and i play uh long story short i love it let's go again how quickly was it like oh shit he can play I don't know because they told me

to line up at guard and i was like i promise right hand the guy i said point guard or shooting guard they was like get this big dude out of here man like seriously dog like so i had no idea what i was doing but i was very coachable so i i didn't know. Apparently I was doing good because they wanted me to, they wanted to move me up to varsity.
So I was like, dang, I must be doing what I'm supposed to do. Wow.
So the last, I think like the last three games or something like that, they had moved me up. But I didn't get no burn.
So my sophomore year, I'm like, dog, I'm starting. So I think the upperclassman, he saw this and he saw something in me.
He was like, man, why don't you come to this Penn State camp with me? So I'm like dog i'm i'm starting so i think um the upperclassman he saw this and he saw something in me he was like man why don't you come to this penn state camp with me so i'm like dang like i've never played football before and i got this upperclassman who's getting recruited by penn state he asked me to go to the camp with him i'm like ma can i go it's 280 and she's like oh my so my mom is she in the couch. She's scraping up all the, and I didn't know this until my 40s.
My mom was like, you know your uncle paid for that. Oh, wow.
I had no idea like this whole time. One of my uncles ended up giving my mom the money, but I ended up going to the camp.
And when I went to that camp, they offered me at the camp. As a sophomore.
Yeah. Who had just started playing football.
Yeah. I was like, all I knew.
That's just natural talent. I'm from Detroit, bro.
So it's people working at the big three. I've seen people with broke legs going to work.
Like, all I knew was work. So when we went to the camp, I'm sprinting to every drill.
I'm staying after a practice. Like, hey, can we work some more stuff? Whatever.
Because all this stuff is new to me. I'm trying to get it down.
So by the time I go back to Detroit, I was like, people can be like, oh, man, like, whatever camp you went to, like, I can tell. Like, I'm taking notes.
Like, I got, like, a little notebook. I'm writing stuff down.
And before long, they was like, hey, you want to come to school here? They was like, you want to meet Joe? And I was like, I didn't know who Joe P was like i didn't know who joe paterno was right like all right let's meet him whoever this joe is like i got no idea man and uh you know ever since then bro it was just like i i love the game bro and i i love playing nose guard like i love everything that everybody hates like i love like pre-season i love like how hot it, how miserable it is. That's what I'm learning about myself.
I like to be miserable. Pushing yourself.
I feel like if I don't go through something then I'm not even doing anything. So Michigan and Michigan State kind of wised up late? Yeah, so once they saw I was getting recruited by Penn State then they started recruiting me.
Then Nick Saban came up to the school and stuff like wow it's Nick Saban yeah yeah yeah so was there any choice or were you just like no Penn State was the first one who saw me yeah like once and then I wanted to get away from the state of Michigan yeah I mean like I didn't want to get homesick and I could just drive 45 minutes and be back at the crib. I was like, nah.
So going out to Penn State, it was different, man. It was like mountains there.
It was like squirrels coming up to you. It was like Happy Valley.
Yeah, it is. Like it was really Happy Valley.
You know what I mean? Like I'm used to, if a squirrel see you in Detroit, he's out of there. Like squirrels coming up to you.
Like, I'm like, what is this? I feel like I'm Snow White or something snow white or something like that it was crazy but it took me it took me like two years to even speak to people because in detroit you can't just walk up on somebody and be like what's up right hey what's up like what you mean what's up like it's that's a fight so when people were talking to me at penn state i was just like who's this dude like it took me about two years to just say hi back to another person saying hello to me yeah the personality that you were describing is a big asset to have like no matter what you're doing if you're on a football team or just like your buddy if somebody is happiest when everyone's miserable yeah that's a good person to have because it makes doing the hard stuff so much easier if there's somebody around that's enjoying it and helping you enjoy it more right yeah because that's why you know if you take any three technique on any team and tell him you're gonna move him a nose guard they're gonna be like oh no like it's gonna be the worst thing in the world that they could ever hear yeah that's where i relish like i let's go like the double teams like it's the most thankless position in all the football playing a true nose guard eating up space that's it yeah pretty much made albert haynesworth quite quit he kind of retired after they did yeah no it's no joke yeah yeah so what point at penn state were you like oh shit i'm gonna get drafted oh this is i love these stories when someone comes to a sport late and it and it just feels like it happens. I mean, it did happen for you in a matter of years.
It was crazy, man. Like, I had no aspirations of going to the NFL.
I was just like, that would be a bonus. Like, I just wanted to get my piece of paper, be All-American, win national championship and stuff like that.
And then, like, if the NFL happened, happened then yes like that's that's amazing but once I saw this uh center from Purdue I don't know his name but the Steelers drafted him in the 2001 draft or two draft or something like that and I had a monster game against him like I mean I was doing stuff that you know you dream about I'm going to do this move and throw this guy out the way. I was doing those moves on him because it was a real emotional game for us because the game before, we played Ohio State, and one of my teammates was like they said he'll never walk again, Adam Talaferro.
So the next game after that was Purdue. And so I had a monster

game and I saw him get drafted. So I was

like... Chuckie Acobe is

his name. Yes.
Yeah, I just looked it up for you.

They drafted him and I

was like, I know they saw

the Penn State game. Right.
If they

draft him third round, I'm

like, dude, I got to go second

or first at least.

Just off of the game that I had. And so I was like, man.
And then my coach pulled me over to the side because I was like just, you know, sad or whatever, just how much work it takes to be good and balance classes and stuff like that. So I was like feeling sorry for myself not going to class and being late to class and all this stuff.
So Coach Larry Johnson pulled me over to the side and said, man, you messing with greatness. Like you could really be good, man.
Like you got to start getting your stuff together. So I was like, he was like, you know, I had some teams calling me.
I was like, what? It was some teams from like the National Football League that called you about me? So I was like, that's all I needed to hear. Yeah.
And then I was like, all right, cool. Like, I just started sacrificing, you know, me going out to different parties and stuff like that and hanging out.
And I just, like, I just wiped myself clean at everything, bro. And I just started focusing.
That's awesome. I got drafted in the second round.
Yeah. And so then after you make it to the NFL, is there a point where, I don't know, what was your attitude, like, going into that first camp? Was it, like, were you aggressive you aggressive were you excited was there a moment where you got out there on the practice field and you were like okay i can actually excel at this i'm good enough to play in the once i got drafted yeah uh well i was there with brian young who's the hall of famer and so i was just like i'm just gonna do everything he did everything, I'm going to try to do it.
And it was so funny because they set me up my first practice. So you leave out the door and you like you write out on the field.
So when that door opened, B-Y just took off, like gone. And I'm just like, oh, so I'm trying to keep up with him.
And we go through the last, we go through like all these individual drills. and I'm just like oh so i'm trying to keep up with him and we go through

the last we go through like all these individual drills and i'm just like i can't even catch my breath and he's just like let's go and i was like oh my gosh like this is this what it's like and he didn't tell me to like you know i got to my second year or something like that like hey we were just messing with you

yeah it took me a while man

but are you second year or something like that like hey we was just he was just messing with you uh yeah it took me a while man and um but i used to make like little splashes here and there i get like a tfl or i sniff out a screen or uh coach jim moore who was the defensive coordinator at the time he would point out plays that i would do where i would fall on the ground but i would get up and chase down a pass and he was like this is the type of effort we need or whatever. I was like dang like alright like hey I might got a shot here you know what I'm saying.
But we were just losing man. I think that year we had T.O.
Garrison Hurst Jeff Garcia we had Derek Deese we had Ron Stone we had Jeremy Like, we had some dogs, and we still went like 7-9 that year. So I knew how hard it was to win in the league, man.
And, you know, I mean, we had Julian Peterson. Like, we had some straight dogs on the defense, man.
And just we had 7-9, bro. I feel like T.O.
could still play. Every time I see him, I'm like, dang, I could get out there.
No question, bro. No question, man.
Yeah. Yeah, he nice with it.
When you're watching the league now, are you like, God damn it, they can't do anything with the quarterback? Because it is totally different. Oh, my gosh.
Does it piss you off watching it? They might as well just put a flag on them, man. Some of the stuff, it's like the linemen are pushing you into the quarterback a lot of times, man.
And it's just crazy to watch, man. But it's football, man.
It's a contact sport. Some of this stuff is going to happen.
They trying to do where you tackle the running back by the hip or something like that. Your whole thing is to get him down.
Like you're not saying, oh, let me do this illegal tackle so that I could tear his ACL or break his ankle or something like that. Like you're just trying to get the guy down, man.
You running full speed. You don't have time to gauge like, oh, is my helmet going to come in contact with his helmet? Is he going to duck fast enough for it to not be like a penalty? Like you don't have time to think.
You just go and you just react. Like I think all of this stuff, like somebody got to step in.
And like everybody always wants to make it like let's score points. Let's make this league easy to score points and stuff like that.
And nobody really thinking about what the defense got to go through. Yeah.
There hasn't been a rule change that favors the defense in a very long time. The only thing they got is like if you are not seeing the block that's coming.
I think the lineman from the Colts just did something like that. Quentin Nelson.
Yeah. He could have knocked the dude block off.
Yeah. And he was just like, hey, just stick my hands out here.
And you can see how easy it is to just knock somebody down because the dude got pancaked. Yeah.
And he didn't even do nothing. He was like, is that good? You know what I'm saying? That was dope.
But if that was Olin Krutz or something, it would have been different. It would have been a rep for you.
Yeah. No, you're right about the hip drop tackle.
To me, it seems like the NFL, they like to make it seem like they're making steps for player safety. But I've noticed, I've seen like three hip drop tackles, and they're not calling them.
So they made the rule to discourage people from doing it, but they're not actually enforcing the rule. Because they see how ridiculous it is.
You see these guys, they're not trying to end people's careers. They're just trying to get you down, man, and get to the next play.
Get off the field. So I don't agree with that hip tackle stuff, man.
But like you say, man, they trying to like – like it's a contact sport, and I get it. Like you're trying to protect people and trying to protect the guys getting injured and stuff like that.
but it's a contact sport and i and i get it like you're trying to protect people and trying

to protect the the uh guys getting injured and stuff like that but it's a physical sport man it's gonna happen yeah this might be a dumb question but at what point did you figure out what kind of face mask you like to use that's actually not a bad question not a bad question I think you just

you learn from

whoever the guy that's on your team that got the most swag. You just learn from him.
That's what I do. I want to be like you big bro.
Like hey bro what do you think about this face mask? They immediately be like nah and then you just go to the next one or you just say say, out of the face mask that defensive linemen wear,

which one is the most respect?

Like, which one would get the most respect?

Yeah.

And so I take that one.

They used to have the ones for the defensive linemen that would have the bar down the middle, too.

I can't do the bar down the middle.

I can't.

Yeah, because I'll be looking like this the whole time.

Like, no, nobody want to do that.

Yeah. How weird is it for you now? You played in the NFL.
You were a great NFL player, played at Penn State, and now you're just sometimes just a meme. And it's just a picture where it's like, oh, shit, that's my face.
Because you do have some of the best, whether it's cream biggums or just some of your pictures, obviously the one with you behind the tree rubbing your hands. People don't realize, oh, that's an NFL player.
They just see the meme. They're like, oh, you're the meme guy.
Is that weird? No, it's just like a testament to what I'm doing now. You know what I mean? I do a lot of stuff on social media and stuff like that.
And if you want to, I guess, dig deeper, you can find out that I actually played nine years ago. When I put pictures up of me, like, action shots of me playing, they're like, oh, man, this Photoshop guy is pretty good.
Right. Right, because there's a whole, like, group of people that are like, oh, yeah, you're, oh, like, they probably see you on the street.
You're like're like oh you're the guy from behind the tree in the yellow suit yeah and it's funny man because it's just like i've uh i've got to the point where i got a second career now you know what i mean and i'm making something from that and uh i think the fact that i played nine years in the nfl is kind of just like it's an afterthought now you know I mean and I just gotta gotta move on like I'm a dad now like a volunteer coach at my son's school like you know I'm saying like I was talking to you earlier like I feel like I'm an Uber driver yeah taking the kids back and forth to practice and stuff like that I'm just like a regular dude is it hard coaching your kids being like I know football better than everyone but I have to kind to take a step back here because I would imagine that a regular dude. Is it hard coaching your kids being like, I know football better than everyone, but I have to kind of take a step back here? Because I would imagine that'd be frustrating at times where it's like, no, I've played in the NFL.
Like, I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not the head coach. No, I don't take myself too serious like that.
You know, at the end of the day, like these kids are 15, 16 years old. And, you know, they need to hear from other folk, you know, and people who've been coaching for as long as I've been playing in the NFL.
You know what I mean? So it doesn't matter how long I played in the NFL. You know, these coaches know what it's like to coach these teenagers longer than I've been playing.
So I the coaches the opportunity to coach my son up when he get home and stuff like that. I got a video I just put out now where he has to take the garbage cans up front.
I don't care if you play football, basketball, I don't care. You taking the cans up front.
I had to do it. You about to do it.
So I set these cans up as a center. I had a guard and I had a tackle.
Three waste management cans. And I'm like, this is how you squeeze blocks.
Like you stop running up field. You can't rush the passer every time.
You got to stop the run. So this is what you do.
You condense the gap. i'm coaching him whether it's he taking out the the trash whether he's cutting the grass whether he's doing the dishes i'm like you see how you you washing the dish like that yeah imagine doing a club movement coming with a rip it's the same type of motion and you gotta have your hands tight football's everywhere You see football everywhere.
Yeah. Open the door for your mom.
You see, like, you got to. It's just like ripping the ball out.
It's the same thing. Like, it's like the peanut punch.
You got to open the door. So I'm always coaching them no matter what.
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And now here's more Spice Adams. How hyped? I mean, Peanut Punch is legendary.
That's my dog, man. Would you, as a defensive unit, in the back of your head, where you're like, we'll get at least one every game because of Peanut.
Yes. If you watch the field.
I know. It's crazy.
Whenever I see 33, I'm sprinting. Because I'm like, you never got to worry about me sprinting to the ball if Peanut is around.
I'm like. And it paid off for me in the Eagles game.
And I think Vic might have been a quarterback. But he hit somebody on a slant.
And sure enough, Peanut punched it out. And I got an opportunity to get it, man.
I ain't go nowhere because Alex Brown didn't block per usual. But it had to have felt like almost a superpower being like, we got a guy back there that he'll get the ball at least on the ground once a game.
Peanut was by far one of the hardest workers I've seen. Like, this dude, the game where Adrian Peterson went crazy on us, but then he went crazier against the Chargers.
You could see Peanut chasing every time. And Peanut would be on the other side of the field.
Yeah. And he'd be running like he's going to get him.
And he would, like, be the last line to, like, try to, like, swipe at his legs. So I respected him so much for that, and it's just contagious.
When you see somebody working that hard, you're like, man, I got to meet his level of intensity or at least look like I'm giving everything that I got too because that's a hard job. You come off of trying to get somebody on a go route like these these dudes are sprinting down field every plane running all kind of routes and then you chase adrian peterson on top of that and then you gotta go block for devin on punt like dog like peanut had got so much respect for me man he's he's just like an all-time great teammate he He goes to my son's games.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
He seems like the best dude ever. Dog.
Peanut is one of the best, dude. The best teammates I ever had, bro.
So you picked up that one fumble that he forced. Did you ever return a fumble? Did you ever get the legs moving? Alex Brown, man.
Alex Brown don't ever want to block. Yeah.
If he see a ball on the field, it's his. You know what I'm saying? So while he's still trying to get the ball, I already got it.
Alex, go block. Every one you see me get, Alex didn't get a block.
So we love watching when big men pick up a ball, when they get to run a little bit. And it looks kind of goofy sometimes if it's one of the bigger guys.
And then you realize how fast those big guys are running. It's crazy.
And they're running faster than anybody that you're watching the game with. Yeah.
The speed. Like, what was your 40 time? Was it, like, around five seconds? My best 40 was a 497.
See, that's crazy. It's absurd to think that a big man can run that fast.
I know. It's like watching.
Have you ever seen a rhinoceros run? I have. Dude, it's crazy.
I've seen it up close and personal. I was like, God, that rhino is rolling.
But I guess that's just how we look when we run. We be moving.
Yeah. Moving, dude.
It's crazy how fast that some of these players are. Sean Rogers used to get interceptions when he was with the Lions, and he got a couple of touchdowns on his belt, but he used to be moving.
Yeah. Was there ever a guy that you just absolutely had his number, like an offensive lineman that you were like, I am going to feast today? Not an offensive lineman, but every time I played Donovan McNabb, I would get a sack.
Okay. At least it seemed like it.
So even if, like, he was with Washington at the time, I was like, I got a sack. I was like, oh, shoot, man.
There must be something about McNabb. So whenever we play somebody and McNabb's a quarterback, I was like, hey, I might have a shot.
Might be a sack. So you were one of the first NFL players to, like, embrace YouTube and embrace, like, taking your media into your own hands.
and at that point point I think a lot of coaches had no idea what players were doing when it came to like promoting themselves via their own channels did you were your coaches like completely cool with it all the time like Spice is going to make another video no because when I did that at the time I was I was a free agent you know so I was like at the point where I was about to retire. I didn't know that.
But, you know, it had got to the point where I had got released in February. And I respect Lovey and everybody for that because they called me.
And, like, the defensive coordinator called me, the defensive line coach, the linebacker coach, the DB coach. Like, everybody called me personally.
That's too many calls. But sometimes they don't call you at all.
I know some people who found out on an ESPN bottom ticker that they got released or whatever. I remember when Lovey got fired, Jay was on Waddle and Sylvie, and he found out literally, like, sitting in studio.
He's like, I got to go. That's crazy.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so I respect them for that's crazy yeah you know i'm saying and so

i respect them for the fact that you know they hit me up or whatever but once i retired uh well

in february when i got released you go through march that's when everybody's getting their free

agents and stuff like that and then you go through april may nothing june nothing so now you get into

camp and now it's like i can't get to nobody's camp man i'm calling around calling different

I'm going to go my 10th year. You know, I got goals.
Like, I want to play to, you know, until I got 15 seasons. And it's just not like nothing is, nobody is biting, like nothing.
And so then you get to the point where all right you had camp now you got to wait to see if somebody gets hurt and then they'll call you in or whatever but in the meantime like you got to stay in shape so you got to lift weights you got to keep running and stuff like that you got to make sure you don't get yourself injured you know because sometimes you'll go into like let's just say the Baltimore Ravens they call you in they want you to work you to work out like you got to run a 40 yeah you got to do 225 you got to do like all these agility drills i'm like dog throw on nine years worth of take right it's right there you know what you got dude you got me going up against this 24 year old that you're gonna get league minimum to and now you got me if i'm in year i'm going into year 10 so the minimum you can pay me is a million so you pay me a million and you pay this um this guy that's 24 year old

you pay him 200 000 at the time whatever the minimum was at that time and so you're gonna

take the 24 year old every time so why am i coming here running 40s and doing all of this stuff so

at that point i was just like i'm about to stop chasing this dream and uh so around like

Thank you. time so why am i coming here running 40s and doing all of this stuff so at that point i was just like i'm about to stop chasing this dream and uh so around like october november i was just like i just started making the videos and i started getting with guys like chris harris uh one of my teammates who was just like he was on twitter and social media like real heavy so i made this stuff NFL free agents say.
This is what I was going through at the time. And I let him see it.
I was like, dog, should I post this? He's like, yeah, man, you know, we see this all the time in the locker room, but nobody else really get a chance to see how funny you are or whatever. So I put it out and then it got, you know, a couple hundred thousand views.
And I was like, I might be on to something. So then I i just started making a youtube video then i made the retirement video and it just it went crazy yeah it went crazy i mean your videos are so funny whenever you do the uh old guys and you put on the suit oh yeah put it put in the headphone everybody got an uncle like that when you put in the the the bluetooth headphone it's like superman getting into the phone booth you just know whatever you're gonna put out there is gonna be amazing do you ever do that without video where you just do it just like hey i'm just gonna live a day as this guy oh yeah you know uh i i remember one time i uh took my wife to target uh and i had like this hair dye like on my face and everything and you know uh i was pushing the shopping cart and stuff like that and I was going down the aisle that has all the weight equipment so I'm in there doing curls I'm like hey how you doing little mama so yeah I get it like we at the grocery store I got on a full blue powder dumb and dumber suit and I'm in there like hey make sure you get the croutons for the salad you know so i'm just it's just me like sometimes i come home i'll be in a yellow suit or something like that and the kids be like oh dad is shooting a video it's just wednesday i would wear that yellow suit out to like a park and just stand behind trees and then wait for somebody to just look at you and be like, yeah, it's just Wednesday.
I would wear that yellow suit out to like a park and just stand behind trees with my hands. And then wait for somebody to just look at you and be like, yeah, it's me.
He caught me. It's such a great meme.
I'm in my element. It's a perfect picture.
So I don't know that I've ever seen the actual video. So I have no context from what the entire video was.
Oh, the retirement video? So yeah, when you're rubbing your hands behind a tree, what was happening in the at that moment oh so that's a whole nother deal so uh we were taking family pictures actually and uh we had a professional photographer everything so i got like the you know how it is i got the jeans with the the nice uh cardigan sweater and you know you're taking pictures with your legs crossed crossed and all that. But we're in this park or whatever.
And so I get an idea. I'm like, let me go to the minivan real quick.
I was like, I got like a yellow suit in there. Let me go in there.
So I go to where we parked at. I go get in the minivan.
You can see the minivan like like this because I'm changing the clothes in there. And so I come out with the yellow suit on and my wife was like, oh my gosh.
What are you doing now? We are paying money for these pictures. So I'm like, just take the pictures or whatever.
It'll be cool. And I was like, I think it'll be cool if I come around a tree like this like i'm looking at you and uh you know she just take the picture so she just starts snapping away whatever and then i just posted online you know just being funny or whatever and uh it just it went crazy it's it's the perfect picture it went crazy i've been all in australia doing commercials for that like it's crazy that's a company called super loop i'm out in aust in Australia in my yellow suit.
That's what I'm saying. The fact you played in the NFL for nine years and then the yellow suit behind a tree picture is like, oh, yeah, that's him.
It's crazy. You're also the guy that stinks at shooting basketballs, right? Yeah.
It's an art form making just a clip with no sound that's like a second and a half long that will make you laugh every time you see it. That's where we linked up at.
I was in Minnesota at the time. Yeah, and that literally is like anytime anyone has a bad shooting night, that is auto here comes Spice Abs.
I was 412. 412 pounds, dude.
Like, that was a wild time, man. That was a wild time, man.
But it's hard to be that bad. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got to, like, really work at it to, like, be that bad, dude.
Like, it's just unnatural. Like, because, you know, that's all I did was play basketball coming up, man.
And I was a big dude, but I could still do everything the little dude was doing, man. But it's bad.
Like, it's hard to be that bad. And to not just be that bad, but to be bad in such a funny way.
Like, you're missing shots that are the most comedic missed shots of all time. Yes, right, yes.
Just like they would normally go in. Like, that's the vibe I'm giving where I'm like clapping my hands oh man like there's something

going on with my goggles like you know but it's it's fun dude i did the um the the all-star game celebrity all-star game as as cream biggums and it was fun man it's fun like doing the social media is taking me like all across the world yeah the funniest part about cream biggums is you you are trying to intentionally be bad but the way you move anyone who played you know professional sports they move different than normal human beings like they just are smoother so you're you're moving like a guy it's like that guy played somewhere yeah but then you missed a shot you're like wait maybe he didn't because you could see it you could just see how athletes move they just move in a silky smooth way dude the shot. You're like, wait, maybe he didn't.
Because you could see it. You could just see how athletes move.
They just move in a silky smooth way. Dude, the whole thing came about.
I wasn't even going to post it. I was doing these crazy moves in my garage.
I think it was like July, June. And it was just like hot.
And I didn't have a tripod or nothing. I just put my phone on top of the ladder.
And I was like, I'm just do all of these moves. And it just stayed in my phone.
And then one day we were in somewhere. My son was in the Junior Olympics or something like that.
And we were off at Ball State. And I was falling asleep.
And the Warriors were playing Cleveland at the time. And I was like, as I was falling asleep, I was like, I'm going to just post this video, dude.
Like, this is so stupid. Like, I'm going to post it and I'm going to slap NBA Finals on it.
So I posted it. I fall asleep.
And then I wake up to my phone going crazy. Like, it was notifications from, like, all my friends and everybody's like, yo,

Kevin Hart just posted your video.

So I'm like, man,

chill out, bro. Like, this man is a

full-blown comedian, like a

rock star actor. Like, he didn't post

my video. Maybe he commented

on my page, but he didn't post

it on his page.

So I go to his page and it's on there and I'm like,

oh, shoot. And this guy, like, he just posted, like, 30 minutes ago.
He got, like, 500,000 views on there. I'm like, God, dog.
So then when he posted, Snoop Dogg posted. Then Jamie Foxx posted.
Then Ludacris posted. I'm like, God, dog.
It's crazy. That's amazing.
So I had to create an account for Kareem Biggums. He got, like, 300,000 followers.
And he was on NBA Live 19. Yeah.
Like he was rated 89, like one higher than Magic Johnson. Like he's dunking on people.
Dude, I flew out to Canada to Vancouver. They put me in that big old onesie.
The green suit with the bubbles and stuff on it. So I'm out there doing moves and all this stuff, and they put it in the game, bro.
That's amazing. That's amazing.
All right, I got a couple last questions. We started with it, but we're not freaking out about Caleb Williams.
No. No.
It's fine. I think even some of the passes that he missed, you can see they're almost there.
You know what I mean? Whereas sometimes you see people throwing skippers or they're throwing passes that have no shot. like his are, like, they're in the area.
And a lot of them come from him leaving the pocket. Right.
He's kind of wicked when he leaves out the pocket. Like, so, you know, that's.
And his eyes, the big thing is he got sacked seven times. He got hit, like, another whatever, five, six, seven times.
That's correct. His eyes stayed downfield.
Like, it wasn't, you know you know hopefully it stays that way but like he's got the confidence still and he got the fuck beat out of him bro the offensive line need to look at this film bro and correct it and is that is that to the drum is that coaching or or is it is it something that can be fixed because it did feel like, yes, maybe they aren't the most talented group, but it also is like it feels like they're not blocking as a team too. Maybe they need to fix it scheme-wise.
Yeah. Because I think that's who we have right now.
Like the backups probably can't do any better than that. You know what I mean? So you got to find ways where you can protect you can protect those guys you know i mean whether that's three-step drops or that's quick passing or something like that yeah like where it's like sprint outs or bootlegs or something like get him on a move uh run more screens or something like run more draws like put uh herbert and swift out there at the same time like create some type of mismatches.
Like just get creative, man, so that you could, you know, hide where you're weak at. Yeah.
How bad did that suck as a defensive lineman when you got caught on the screen? You're like thinking, oh, my God, I got a free run at the quarterback. I'm going to get a sack.
Oh, shit. Now I have to run all the way back downfield.
Not many times because when you're in a position like me and you can't afford to make mistakes like that because they'll just replace you. So and then I know for a fact if you're not blocking me like I'm automatically looking like so that was never like one of my weaknesses.
If I was like a three technique like you may could get me on a trap or something like that, but a screen, that was my bread and butter, dude. I'm not saying I was that guy when it came to people running screens, but you couldn't really.
There's no way you're not going to block me. It's something up.
Right. There's that one moment when usually it's like a defensive end and they take those two steps and then they realize what's happening and you can see the look on their face like, oh, no, this is too easy.
You'll never get peppers. You'll never get Julius.
And Rob Marinelli had us so tight that by the snap of the ball, I already know what you're doing. I already know what you're going to try to do.
I know from the depth of your steps. I know from the double team.
I know if it's a true double team or if it's just one where you're trying to get up to the linebacker. Rod Marinelli is the guru when it comes to defensive line play.
And once I got under his tutelage, it was like he basically put three years onto my career. That's cool.
For sure. You never played for Tom Sula, did you? No.
He's our guy. That was after him.
Yeah. All right.
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Bad memory, but the NFC Championship.

First of all, you hyping everyone up is an all- time clip. It is.
It is. I've been everyone up.
I will actually, it's, I just want to say, I don't think the defense gets enough credit in that game with Jay getting hurt. And the Packers, I remember so vividly the Packers go down the field.
I think you remember. I know, but all right.
So I'm giving you credit here. This is going, this is going back to credit.
Packers go down the field in the you remember I know but all right so I'm giving you credit here this is going this is going back to credit Packers go down the field in the first drive and I was like oh fuck yeah this is a problem yeah you guys locked it up the rest of the day yeah because I know that they had a short field and scored another touchdown and then the BJ Raji pick six but you guys were lights out after that first drive and it's like obviously the game became about Jay getting hurt and Todd Collins and Caleb Neeney. Don't even say Todd Collins.
Dang! You guys were playing lights out. I mean, the second half, they didn't score.
Man, I looked myself in the mirror the night before and I was like, don't you be the guy to say I was one game away from the Super Bowl. Don't be that guy.
And here I am. Man.
I just wanted to give you credit. It was.
That was. The first two drives they scored.
Yes. They were.
And then that was it. Offensively.
I was like, this is this. They're going to score a million points today.
This is. There's no.
They had just put up 45. I think on Atlanta.
Yeah. And that's how we got home field advantage.
Yeah. But, oh, man, it was one play

where Leck had got a pick

where I felt like,

dude, I gave everything

I had, dog.

If I would have just got

one hand on Aaron Rodgers

to, like, block him,

he probably wouldn't

have tackled Leck.

You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like,

we had a stunt,

me and Tommy Harris,

and I got to the point

where I took my guy

and I just drove him back

and I just,

I had no more legs and so after like we we took Rodgers out of the pocket and I'm just I'm at this point I'm running so fast and so hard like I'm I'm falling on my face now like I just gave everything I get and the only thing that I had left was just this arm swipe right here at Rogers but if I had a little bit more balance and strength I could at least just like push them where that would have took his angle off of tripping up lack on that interception and that's the the thing that I think about the most. Well, sorry for bringing it up.
I want to give you credit because I think that game gets lost in everyone's brain where it's like... We took a high power offense and they scored 14 points on us, man.
And that was it. That wins you the game.
It was so cold that day. If you can hold an offense, a high-power offense to only 14 points, you should win that game.
Did you like playing the cold? Oh, I love playing. I don't get tired in the cold.
No sleeves? Oh, yeah, like a big dog. None at all, period.
You just throw the Vaseline on. Let's go, baby.
Let's go, man. You clogged the pores up.
Let's go. The coldest game I played in, it was a January 3rd night game.
We played against Green Bay. It was so cold.
If you drunk water and you spit it out, it would turn to icicles before it hit the ground. That was by far one of the coldest.
I've never went like the bench was heated so you'll go and sit on a bench like when they had like a TV time out then you'll come back out

and then they had like

the Gatorade bottles

was filled with like chicken noodle soup.

I love that.

Yeah, the bone broth.

Yeah, dog.

Yeah, you think that big old Gatorade thing

is all full of Gatorade

is chicken noodle soup.

Do they have the oxygen

on the sidelines for you?

I need it then.

Like I need it when it's hot.

Yeah. I don't need the oxygen when it's cold out there, man.
Like a real live bear. Like for real.
I'm in my element then, man. At that time, I was like 310 pounds, 305 pounds.
I'm like, let's go. I was a little wider back then, too.
Alright, well, Spice, you're the man. We'll definitely come back anytime.
All right, man. Let's do it, baby.
So, yeah, it was way too long since the last time. That must have been like, what, 2018? 2017, 2018.
2017. Yeah, that's crazy.
You do look like you could still play. Yeah, man.
That's what I'm going for, man. I told everybody, man.
Ryan, Pose, everybody said, man, I can give you 20 plays, bro. Not in a row.
Yeah. But I can give you 20.
Give me some goal lines, some like 30 ones when you know they're going to run. I can get out there, man, mix it up.
How fast would you get hurt? Whew. I don't know, man.
I would like to find out. That would be fun.
Let me find out for myself. Yeah, I mean, they do like the Yankees do like old timers day.
Why don't the Bears? Yeah, man. I'm not practicing.
Just put me out in the games and then we'll see. Put me out in like warm ups and see how I do.
Yeah. See if you can stay on injury.
GTD, man. Game time decision every week.
All right. Well, thanks so much, Spice.
Appreciate it. Yes, sir.
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You know what really sucks having to look at Hank making faces at us all podcast. You know what else? Hank, this really sucks right now.
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On Game of Thrones. Oh, you've gone back.
I feel like a lot of people are doing that now. There's been enough time.
Yeah, I think it was House of the Dragon ended, and I just started watching Game of Thrones. I saw a TikTok edit, and now my TikTok is just Game of Thrones, and I'm just, I'm deep.
Is it better the second time through? It's good, but it's getting to like season five, season six where things get sad or things get bad and then it's going to get sad. Yeah, it's going to get sad and then it's going to get bad.
Yeah. Are you going to watch the final season? Yeah, I probably will.
Did you watch Red Wedding? Yep. That was crazy.
That was crazy. It was good.
It was nuts. So that's it? That's not bad.
You're Fyre Fest as you're watching a show that you love. I guess the Fyre Fest would be we're in the greatest sports time of the year, and Hank's going to watch a show you already watched.
Well, it's not like I'm watching it over sports. Yeah, exactly.
It's not like you don't have two TVs. You can watch Game of Thrones and sports.
I can't wait for October baseball. Max on the stream.
Same. I'm so excited.
We got to all bet on the Phillies. I got to stick with my Padres.
When everyone was just shitting on me yesterday, you know, whatever, I got dunked on by Max. all i could think of was just the phillies yeah the phils yeah that's my fault that well go ahead i might you're talking about it now but uh let's go ahead go ahead do your fire fest the playoff baseball is coming and i i can't handle it winter is coming winter is coming meme i've been coming meme.
I've been thinking about it all week.

That's a good tie-in.

All right.

I'm going to look right now.

I mean, Max, this is your best.

Can we get the overalls back?

I got it.

I look ridiculous.

They sent me a new pair.

A new pair of overalls?

They look so sick.

Yeah?

I love that Dave is in on it, too.

I don't love that.

All right.

I'm looking it up right now.

What's the worst-case scenario, first-round loss or World Series loss?

First-round loss.

You think so?

You're going to be so much more upset if it's the World Series again.

Yeah.

What if the Yankees beat you in the World Series?

Yeah, that's my only fear is that it's the Yankees-Phillies

because I actually will have to root for the Phillies.

That would be awesome.

Hank, could you imagine you and I on the same squad?

Yeah.

Then Dave would get so mad at you if the Yankees beat the Phillies.

Yeah, we can't have that happen.

Like, we can't.

That's the worst case scenario.

It's got to be the Orioles.

It's not going to be the Yankees. Rightes right oh did we just have a draft pick come in what was that memes what was that my bad when i downloaded all the apps to my phone uh i just get a thousand notifications from every app and your notification is the draft pick is it yeah that's kind of cool yeah that's a football guy that's very cool um yeah

max i'm very excited for the phillies i'm very excited for just to watch it all uh all right i'm doing this right now so if you did phillies to win the world series eagles to win the super bowl and Villanova to win the national championship

and you put $100 on it, you'd win $799,000. Titletown.
I like that. Titletown.
Villanova is going to be horrible this year. Although I think they might beat Maryland in football this weekend.
What's just Eagles and Birds? Well, Eagles and Birds would just be 11-1 because they're the same team. Eagles and Phils, sorry.
Eagles and Phils would be 100 to win 7,000. You know what? All right, so Villanova's out.
Sixers. They're going to be so bad this year.
Sixers. Sixers.
76ers. Titletown.
Max. Titletown.
76ers could win it all. They could.
Sixers are going to be good this year. They're going to be really good.
Hank's going to be fucking rooting up a storm for Yabu. Okay, so this might be it.
If you do Sixers, Eagles, Phillies, $1,000 wins $684,000. Titletown.
I like that, Max. Have a little faith in your boys.
Have some faith in the boys. Sierra Island's going to figure this thing out.
We should actually just bet it for all of them to make it to the finals. Who's the best coach you got? Who's the best coach in Philly right now? Jay Wright.
Yeah, it would be Jay Wright. Probably Topper, Rob Thompson.
I mean, I like Nick Nurse, too, honestly. Sirianni's probably third in that.
Well, he's not even the coach. I don't know is the flyers coach big tom's a coach uh all right pft your fire fest all right so my fire fest of the week has been going on all week i don't know if it's the fact that i moved into my house uh like a year and a half ago or what it is but my smoke detectors have been beeping at me all week gotta change the batteries i agree here's where the real fire fest comes hardwired are they hardwired you don't have a screwdriver you don't know what a battery is they're too tall for me oh i'll come and do it too tall i'll do it i have a step i have a step stool i'll come over and it's you know like it's a normal step stool where i can probably get up, I don't know, like nine feet.

It's got two levels on it.

I don't have a ladder.

And so every time I get this beeping sound, I bring the step stool over there every time just to get on my tippy toes.

And I can touch the thing.

And I'm trying to turn it and unscrew it so I can put the battery in.

And it's just at the tip of my fingers where it's enough to make me think I can do it. If I get up high and if I put on my tallest pair of shoes, like a dictionary or something you can stand on top of the step stool.
But so that's what I've started to do. So I have changed two of them already.
And then the third one started beeping on me this morning. The previous two, one I had to pull a desk over to stand on the desk.
The desk isn't that so i felt like that was bad the second one i went down to the kitchen i have a bar height chair i brought the kitchen chair up because it's a little bit taller and i was able to do the second one but again i almost fell over on that one and then today the last one started beeping and i'm not i don't feel confident in my game on either the desk or the step stool so i have to figure out one way to make myself taller without i think what you need to do is find like uh danny lance he's tall someone who someone who's in the office but won't be like oh i had this person come over i need to invite a man over to my house a man but won't tell anybody correct came over correct are there any services like that online if i just google yeah tall men yeah tall men to come over to my house must be very discreet so you got a problem that's what i'm looking can't reach it i need somebody to your pipes clog to help me unscrew this thing um that sucks i need a man with big hands that sucks i could do it for you no it's okay i think i'll just i't do the second part, not talk about it. I think I'll just let it beep.
Okay. I think that's probably my plan.
You got to wait until like, yeah, just wait until you have a party and then have someone just do it who's at the party. I'll be like, oh shit, this just went off.
Oh, that's funny. Yeah.
Can you help me real quick? I might have people over on Saturday to watch some college football. Yeah.
Hype party. And just bring white boy Rick over.
Yeah. And it's just him um so i got that my other fire fest is so we're playing pup punk is playing tonight buford's on west 6th street in austin which is going to be a great time i'm very excited about it it's a free show if you want to come out it's gonna be a blast uh come party with us afterwards but um we're playing free bird and it's the song that i've been trying to learn for the last what four years i said i was going to do it and now it's nut cutting time and i don't know if i'm ready but i think i might be you got it but you got it it's so hard you got it's so hard you got this free bird it's free bird friday you got it that'll be awesome free bird's making a comeback yeah it is i saw the yeah the recorder guy the guy playing on the recorder there was a girl playing on the bagpipes last week fucking love it free bird maybe it never went away it was inside of us no i always play free bird um all right my fire fest uh i need similar to max's sleeping thing i need awl's help uh so i've been trying we've been talking about getting healthy for for our 40th birthday we are i i am i've been lifting like three four times a, but I don't have enough time in the day, so I've been trying to wake up early.
I have started by setting a mental alarm clock. You already wake up early.
Well, yeah, I do, but this is like earlier than early. So my real alarm clock is set every morning for 6.50.
My mental alarm clock I set for 6 a.m. I've been setting my mental alarm clock for a month this week was the first time I actually didn't hit the mental snooze and went and worked out at 6 a.m.
it completely wrecked me I've been so tired since how do people do it how do you get up I just want to I have all I have a gym in my house so it's like I just have to go downstairs I there's everything's there it's as easy as possible i don't have to leave my house i just need to get up and get out of my bed at 6 a.m and that gives me 50 minutes to work out before i got to take the kids to school how do you do it what do you mean by mental alarm clock i don't want to wake up my wife so i set a mental alarm clock so my eyes i i'm pretty good at like setting a mental alarm clock i will wake up at six o'clock pretty much every morning but i then hit the mental snooze do you check your phone app still i have a fan of i do the og real thing i was gonna say if you have i use the fan app and if you just have that you can set an alarm on that so it turns off but i don't want to wake up my wife so i have to the mental alarm is me just literally opening my eyes at 6 o'clock. Every night I go to bed, I'm like, open your eyes at 6 o'clock.

Yeah, that makes no sense.

I do it pretty much...

I probably do it like 6 out of 7 times a week.

It's just then getting up after my mental alarm goes off.

So what do you do after your mental alarm goes off?

Do you sit in bed and check the phone?

No, I hit the mental snooze.

So you just go back to sleep?

Yeah.

Okay.

Have you tried putting your phone on the other side of the room? Well, it's not... It's a mental alarm.
It's the mental alarm. But, like, if your phone's on the other side of the room, you're going to want to go check it.
Stop talking about the phones. You keep...
The phone is... You're doing the apps and then the phone.
The phone is... All right, forget it.
Well, the phone... But, Hank, the phone is not...
The whole point is I have to be able to wake up without anything going off because then I can sneak out of the room and not wake anyone else up. Right, but if your mental alarm, you wake up and then you want to check your phone, you still have to get up to go check it.
But I know when my mental alarm goes off, I know it's six o'clock and I just go right back to sleep. Can I give you a tip? Start chugging water before you go to sleep because that way when you wake up in the morning and your mental alarm goes off, you'll have to wake up, get out of bed, go piss, and and then you'll already get the blood moving you'll get piss moving your body's awake yeah maybe that's a good idea yeah i think you need to chug a shitload of water right at bedtime don't understand how people do it how people wake up early and work out i should do it four days a week 5 30 5 30 lifts that's crazy i can't believe that that was once like a daily like a routine in my life i used to do that before work too when i had a real job and you get in this this zone where you just wake up at 5 30 6 o'clock every day yeah i never got used to it i hated it every single time yeah and i can't yeah like it's there's nights when we're here till like one in the morning so it just kind of fucks everything else you take any pre-workout i don't okay so what you could do is just is have like a shot of pre-workout right next to my bed yeah what you do is you set the alarm you set your your mental alarm for 5 30 and then you wake up at 5 30 take the shot of the pre-workout hit the mental snooze and then as you're hitting the mental snooze hit the mental re-wake up at six o'clock yeah you'll open your eyes at six ready to go it's not a bad Everyone, everyone, everyone who talks about getting up early, they're like, you just got to get through the first couple of days and it becomes routine.
No, there's no way that that there's no way that like there could be someone who wakes up at five 30 in the morning, go work out every day and has done it for a year. There's still no way that it's fun.
No. Well, I think some people are just there.
There are who can do that, and there are people who can't.

Well, and also, there are people who just go to bed at like 8 o'clock.

Do you guys have friends?

I have a friend who goes to sleep at like 8.30.

I don't trust... It's insane.

That sounds like a loser.

If you go to sleep before...

I agree, but it's insane that he does it, and it's just like, what?

I guess, sure.

8.30 or 9, if you work at a certain type type of job, like if you're a teacher, sometimes you have

to wake up super early.

Don't just get less sleep.

That's what I do.

I have to get up at 650 every morning.

I still don't go to sleep.

I also fixed the dog problem.

You killed it.

Oh, God.

I didn't say that.

No, Hank reminded me.

I just got a sound machine and I just haven't woken up since.

That's the easiest. That is the easiest.
What about the snoring problem? Also, kind of fix that. How? I got...
I went... The mouth tape was a problem before because I couldn't...
Because you ate it? Well, I wasn't eating it. But you did eat it once.
No, I never ate it. But I got the breathing strips and the mouth tape because the breathing strips helped me breathe through the nose while I'm sleeping.
You pretty much look like Hannibal Lecter. Yeah.
When you get ready to go to bed, it's like, is he going to play a football game or is he going to go to bed? Exactly. No.
Yes, that is the thing. Yesterday, I woke up and there was almost like a bruise on my nose from the strip.
That's probably because you were trying to eat it. I don't know.
You're trying to eat your nose. How would I even do that? You eat in the middle of your sleep.
Your body's rejecting the Breathe Right Strip. That's what it sounds like to me.
You just want me to continue to have these problems. No shit.
I want you to continue to diet with us. I'm dieting.
So you're going to do... Do you think that's what's helped? The one we...
I mean, I also had a cheat meal last night. That's all right.
Meatballs. It was meatballs.
You have cheat meals. Calories in, calories out.
That's all that matters. But then I had like, whatever.
All right, you're fine. Okay, good show, boys.
Yeah. That's all.
Otherwise. Yeah.
But then I had like whatever.

All right.

You're fine.

Yeah.

Okay.

Good show boys.

Numbers.

Nine.

Eleven.

Three.

Seventy two.

Ninety nine.

Pogue.

He's back.

Eight.

Memes in PFT

have you ever gotten this?

no I've not gotten it

I don't think 8's in there

93

93

9's are hot

9's are hot

see you everyone Sunday

love you guys. We'll be right back.
Thank you. Thank you.