Dan Hurley, NBA Playoffs With Kirk Goldsberry, The Commanders Have A New Owner And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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He also gives Max the business, basically calls him a loser to his face because he is. We have Kirk Goldsberry on to talk about NBA playoffs, a little preview.
Don't worry, everyone. We have our hockey preview coming on Monday with Ryan Whitney.
We're going to talk about some play-in games. We're going to do Fyre Fest.
What is that face, Hank? What are you doing? It's a big promise. You never know what's going to happen.
Yeah, that's true. Whitney could definitely be like, oh, I had to do, you know, I had a dinner and then I had a stream and then I had a dinner and I'm done.
So hopefully. Don't forget golf.
He might also have to golf. That's true.
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Today is Friday, April 14th.

And PFT, for the, I don't know, this is probably like the 6th or 7th time. The floor is yours.
Yeah, I mean, we've talked about Dan Snyder a lot on this show and about the sale a lot. I don't know.
I actually don't know if I have that much to add besides what I've already said over the course of the last six years. Well, what happened? What changed? You're selling shirts.
Tell the people what happened. We're selling shirts.
I'm excited. I'm wearing a shirt right now that says, Bye, Dan, and it's Major Tutty throwing Dan Snyder out of his stupid fucking face just because you got excited the other six or seven times i mean you can't get more excited this time well okay change so i'm what did change hank good question news came out this morning that uh i guess sportico reported it according to a source close to the sale josh harris the owner of max's 76ers and the new jersey devils is actually going to purchase the team for $6 billion.
Congrats, Dan Snyder, for making $5.2 billion being a shitty ass piece of shit. So say what you want about him, but he made a fuckload of money.
I hope he goes off, fucks off to England and dies. But today it was announced that Josh Harris, excuse me, he dies in jail.
First he gets arrested, then he dies. In British prison where they don't have dentists., absolutely not, the worst dentists on earth Well, they don't have dentists outside of jail either in Britain Yeah, that's true So I hope that he dies with shitty teeth and a gum infection And I think it's a done deal From everything that I've heard so far There's a competing bid Allegedly from Stephen A The Canadian billionaire But it's Josh Harris It was announced today, it's Josh Harris he's going to take over the team so I'm very happy but there's a small part of me very small part of me that's like the dog that caught the car now that the bad man's gone what am I going to have to blame all my failures on as a sports fan you can't complain about the commanders for at least five years-ish.
And so Hank is nodding along. I feel like you're doing – are we – what happens when it officially becomes official? When does it officially? I'll talk for Hank because I can see this on.
We're going to do this again in how long? Listen, I didn't even bring it up, okay? You're wearing the shirt. I'm wearing the shirt.
You're doing I can't believe this is my life tweet. They're great shirts, by the way.
Go check that. They are great shirts.
I was trying to be respectful. I saw you doing videos and stuff in the hallway.
I was like, it's another big day. People just came up to me with a camera, so they asked me what I thought.
I told them, I've already celebrated Dan being gone. He's gone.
It's happening. Now, the only major hurdle that we have to clear is the owner's vote, which is going to take place in May.
But he's already an owner, kind of, of an NFL team. He's a part owner of the Steelers.
They're going to vote him in. Okay.
This is a done deal, and it's going to happen, and everything's going to be good, and maybe we'll get more than two playoff wins in the next 25 years. What's up, Billy? Is it really a done deal? Have they secured the funding to buy the team? Yesosh harris's funding was was secured it's secured with the if this doesn't go through i'm gonna kill myself billy money is expensive right now billy i'm yeah i am buying a house right now so i'm familiar with how much money is expensive i'm pretty sure josh harris is good for how expensive is money money is like seven percent expensive okay maybe if you got a $1,000, you'd have to pay $10.70? What? You said 7%.
Yeah, $10.70. Okay, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, it's a done deal.
Money is expensive. Listen, it's a done deal.
We're moving forward. Congrats.
Thank you, Hank. I'm looking forward to being able to root with my entire heart and soul for a team because it's been a big stain on – it's been the back of your mind.
Anytime the team's good, you're like, I love this team. I love watching them every Sunday.
But then at the end of the day, you know that something's about to get fucked up worse than it was fucked up ever before. So we're going to start playing the parade.
We're going to have a parade in D.C. Okay, nice.
I'm very excited about it. So I'm not as pumped and over the top as I have been in the past because, like you said, we have talked about this like five times.
Well, Snyder has basically teased it so many times that it kind of robbed you of the – it almost would have been better if he just all of a sudden overnight just was selling the team. They'd be like, the greatest celebration ever.
this long drawn celebration yeah well the the big one was back and i think it was november yeah when the news first broke at that point then it was like okay that's the big celebration that i've got this i'm a little bit more subdued but i'm still fucking pumped that this guy's gonna i remain happy for you thank you hank i can't say the same no he's not i've remained happy the whole time all i'm saying is be careful what you wish for nfl because you have awoken a sleeping giant in washington dc yes the shirts are great they are great you're happy for him yeah uh not really i just you can only be happy for someone so many times you know what you know what someone gets pregnant you're like congratulations but then it's not like hey i'm pregnant again three months later and three months later. It's like, you get one, congratulations.

You know what, Hank?

Because Josh Harris is also the Sixers owner, I have no choice but to root with Max for

the Sixers against the Celtics in the playoffs.

But he's not even going to be the owner by that point.

No, he's not selling the Sixers.

Oh, of the commanders.

Yeah, he's not the commanders owner.

I don't care.

I'm such a Josh Harris fan right now that he could do anything.

He's owner and waiting.

Yeah, owner and waiting.

I like that.

Yeah.

So, why don't you check yourself?

Hard to go. I don't care.
I'm such a Josh Harris fan right now that he could do anything. He's owner and waiting.
Yeah, owner and waiting. I like that.
Yeah. So just why don't you check yourself? All right.
That's fine, Hank. I'm excited to get a good rivalry going with Hank.
It's been a while. I feel like it's always, we're always.
No, I'm just fighting like a six-sided war at all times. Yeah.
Okay. Well, congratulations again.
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What else we want to talk about? The little play-in game? Yeah. So D.R.
DeRozan stole the story of the play-in game on Wednesday night. She single-handedly stopped the Toronto Raptors.
My Bulls are advancing to Friday night, which is always fun when you win a play-in game and then you get to go to play another play-in game. But there was...
So for people who didn't watch the game, the Bulls were down pretty much the entire game. DeMar DeRozan's eight-year-old daughter, she was sitting underneath what in the first half was the Chicago Bulls hoop.
In the second half, obviously, the Raptors were shooting on it. She was screaming so loud before every free throw that the Raptors took in a dead silent arena.
The Raptors went 18 for 36 from the free throw line. Ended up losing the game by what, four? She won that game for the Bulls.
I mean, Zach Levine was also fantastic, which is nice to see him, like, step up in that moment. But D.R.
DeRozan, statue for her. Yeah, she's great.
She's way better than Riley Curry. Yes.
If we're ranking NBA daughters. I got her 1A in my daughter draft.
I think that she was great, but maybe the best part of the night was the time that she didn't scream. Yeah the end so there were three out there were three foul shots at the end right yes uh siakam siakam which was kind of a bullshit call anyway but yeah yeah so siakam got to the line and then she faked out she didn't scream was it the second one yeah that she didn't scream on and everybody was waiting for her to yell now i i think she did a great job absolutely build the statue great daughter however i'm little bit upset at DeMar DeRozan because he's not going to let her come to the game on Friday because it's a school day.
Sports is way more important than school if you're a kid. It's also like she's sixth man of the year.
She should be for every single – all I want now because I'm a realist about the Bulls. They're not very good.
They have a couple good players, but as a collective, they're not very good.

But could you imagine her in the first round against the Bucs

and Giannis in his 15-second free – like, she might lose her voice,

but she would go toe-to-toe with him.

That would be her legacy game.

Yeah.

Trying to scream for 15 seconds nonstop.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was very cool to see her actually get into the heads of opponents.

She totally did.

But here's the problem.

There's going to be some copycats.

Yeah.

And it's not going to be the same.

She has a unique frequency in her voice that makes people freak out.

It's not only that.

It's such a unique situation because, one, she's the daughter of DeMar DeRozan.

Two, she grew up in Toronto where DeMar played the majority of his career so she knows everyone in that arena and three like there is the NBA now you can get kicked out for anything Kyrie and Russell Westbrook have taught us that I don't think you can kick out a player's daughter she is like if a guy is just sitting there doing that I think that a player probably complains and they get kicked out or have to shut him up i think she's a secret weapon that no other team can employ yeah the rest of the fans couldn't go down and say shit to her right she's a little girl right and and and she obviously knows everyone in toronto like that was the other part is the whole entire you know the the building staff the security they probably know her personally yep so it was the perfect storm for diar deda Rosen to completely stop the Toronto Raptors. I would love to see what would happen with this in Philly.
Do you think that Philly fans would start throwing— Someone, a Max lookalike, would punch her in the face. They'd start to throw hot dogs at her.
Somebody would go down there and throw up on her? Yeah. A Max lookalike would just start beating up a little girl.
This is gross. This is disgusting.
Listen, just accept it. I think that Philly should be proud of that.
For punching little girls? You don't think a lot of guys would be like, we won that game. I would be pissed.
Yeah. I definitely wouldn't punch her, but I would be mad.
No, you'd be mad. Definitely not.
But that's the beauty of it. You can't get mad at a daughter of a player and like she needs to be yeah fuck

school get her to miami this it's way more important get her to my she's eight years old

what do you learn in eighth grade anyways do you remember a study thing it's not eighth grade

oh eight years old yeah okay so that's third grade third grade she's very precocious

probably you're graduating basic addition and subtraction moving on to like basic

multiplication i would guess yeah you're writing like five letter words maybe states and capitals

See you next time. grade she's very precocious probably you're graduating basic addition and subtraction moving on to like basic multiplication i would guess yeah you're writing like five letter words maybe states and capitals yeah that's a war zone oh uh mystery powders you're doing like science for the first time well what better way to learn states and capitals and go to the capital of florida miami good point yeah you could get a better education yeah yeah like come on let's.
Education worked for us. Yeah.
It was awesome, though. The Bulls.
And Pat Bev, maybe he is. It's between him and Trae Young.
Trae Young's 3-0 in playing games. So there's a legacy game for Pat Bev.
Pat Bev was awesome. He'd be 3-0 if he wins.
Pat Bev always just manages to show up at the end of every playing game and do something fucking crazy. Yeah.
Just insane. He's so much and caruso was awesome too and it was nice it was nice seeing zach lavine like because uh hank doesn't really know this man max you kind of well you know this because of ben simmons but like having a player that you pay a lot of money to that you want to step up in the big moments when they don't it gets very frustrating when they do it's like oh that was nice yeah or maybe at least have the player that you pay a bunch of money to step on the court during the game.
Yeah, that too. That'd be nice.
Take a shot. Because Zion was in pregame warm-ups.
Zion Williamson, he's out because he's not feeling like Zion yet. He's healthy, but he's not feeling 100%.
He was dunking. He was doing like windmill dunks in pregame.
He did look a little bit on the bigger side, but that's just Zion. That's Zion being Zion.
This would drive me in fucking sane. Whose idea was it to let Zion participate in the pregame dunk line? Oh, my God.
I would be so furious if I were a Pelican fan watching that and then watching my team lose to the young. Do you know the Thunder are the second youngest team in NBA history? Yeah.
It's crazy. The Thunder are what, like, you know how we sang on Wednesday, the playing game is kind of stupid because these teams won't go anywhere, but you can switch it if it's a young team.
The Thunder, like, that's reps. They're building a winning culture because it was amazing to see Josh Giddey and Shea Gilgis and Lou Dort, who are all under 24 years old, dominate that game and make big shot after big shot.
And Zion is just sitting on the bench doing dunks pregame, not playing. Pitt, who made the NCAA tournament, has an average starting lineup age older than the Thunder.
That's crazy. They are very, very fun and very young.
And like if you – like this is the type – like they shouldn't even be in this spot, and they are, and their lottery pick last year isn't playing. I think just getting to the playoff – if you play in a playoff series, if you're the Thunder, that's good experience.
I want to see it. So, yeah, they're getting Holmgren back, and they have probably a high first-rounder, right? They have like a million picks, too.
I would imagine they're picking like 11 or 12 in the draft. How many picks do they have? And then they have four first-round picks in 2024.
It's crazy. So they've got assets.
All right, so the Thunder, and I think it goes on for the future. So they have the Clippers pick this year, their own pick this year, the Wizards second-rounder.
I won't do second-rounders. Next year they have their own Utah this year uh the the wizard second rounder i won't do second rounders next year they have their own utah's clippers houston's so yeah four first round yes and then in 2025 they have their own houston or the clippers miami's philadelphia's like they every year they're going to be they have like five picks in the first round they're a team they are what the pelicans thought they were going to be because the pelicans with zion and brandon ingram like herb jones and it was going to be like oh this young up-and-coming team in the west the thunder kind of stole their their thunder they did and i there were some people out there that were saying that our good friend mincy uh being stuck up in the nosebleeds in this section if mincy had been down beneath the basket like dr derosen i think this game goes a whole lot differently yeah i'd agree i'd agree so it was um that was a fun game that was an exciting game that was a play i think i'm just gonna start grading every play-in game i'm gonna make a judgment on the play-in tournament as a whole just based on game to game okay so like on t like, on Tuesday night, it was the worst idea that Adam Silver ever – I almost called him David Silver – Adam Silver ever came up with.

On Wednesday night, it's pure genius.

The league is back.

Yeah.

So, Friday will decide.

It's a big night.

The future of the play-in tournament, according to myself,

is all going to come down to Friday night.

It's a big, big night.

Let's go Wolves. Yeah.
All right. I mean, look, it fun.
Rapsheet just tweeted about the sale. Oh.
Okay. They reached the agreement.
Wait, but is that different than? That was one minute ago. Yeah, this is me being subdued.
Yes, Hank. See? See, Hank? Wait, what is that? Is that different than what was? It is not exclusive and not signed.
Okay, so we got to wait again. So we'll celebrate next week.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll celebrate and we'll wait to celebrate some more.
I'm acting like I've been there before because I have five times. Yeah, the playing games were fun.
They were fun on Wednesday night. We're playing game guys now.
And then on Friday, I'll decide if I'm not. I guess so.
But isn't it fun to just do we'll just be as knee jerk and uh as as like recency biased as possible with the playing games that's just how i'm going to judge it so it's really the last game the last play in game that's going to determine whether or not it was a good play in tournament yeah and then next year we'll do the same thing again because really it is so funny that like it becomes a debate whether-in game is fun or not or stupid or not. But they're going to keep doing it because it makes more teams involved and makes more money for owners.
So it's not going anywhere. Don't get me wrong.
If they announced that they were going to do this in the NFL and add another playoff team via a play-in game, I'd be all in on that. Yeah, more football.
Exactly.

More basketball.

We've got more sports.

Yeah.

The only reason that it's even a debate for basketball is because with football,

you can kind of tell yourself, oh, there's been six seeds that have won the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

There's never been an eight seed that's won the NBA Finals.

Yeah.

It's very funny to think that they have a play-in tournament when the entire season is a play-in tournament for the playoffs. Well, and we're going to have the mid-season play-in tournament too, which will be fun as well.
All right, so Jake, Heat versus Bulls, Friday night, no DR DeRozan. Yeah.
You got to feel confident? We'll see. Not confident.
Okay, that was your pregame show. Jake, how much popcorn? A kettle corn? I bought a huge bag.
This is a zero kettle corn. Oh, I bought a huge bag of popcorn.
You're not having any kettle corn? For this game, though. It's also the night before I broadcast, so.
Oh, you can't. Yeah.
I'll tweet out my bag of popcorn. It's enormous for Friday night.
Okay. I'll be eating so much fucking popcorn, and you not eating popcorn makes me think the Bulls are going to win.
Yeah, they might. Yeah, you're not really into it.
What do you got? What broadcast you got? Oh, funny you ask. It's the 49th annual FDNY NYPD hockey game at UBS Arena on Long Island.
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can't wait. I think it's harder to get

tickets for this event than Taylor Swift tickets.

It might be. Yeah.
They don't

sell them. You can only get them through

they give the tickets to like

firehouses and

police houses and that's the only way you can get them.

This is much washed up.

What are they called? Stations. The NYPD.
Why do the firemen get houses and the police make the stations? They sleep over there. I'm just asking questions.
Do they have a kitchen? No, I'm glad Hank's asking this, because if you're asking it, then some other person at home, probably one person at home, is like, why is it in a house? Thank you, Hank. thank you hank some police dr derosen probably lives in that in an eighth grade yeah in eighth grade as an eight-year-old what are you gonna say billy uh just fdny uh fdny uh nypd events always go hard like their football game there was a huge fight like in the stands no on the field it was like huge brawl and like their boxing events are insane too but it's's all love after.
No, not really. Oh, okay.
They still hate each other. Oh, nice.
So, Jake, have you worked on your announcing when it comes to fighting? Because there will be fights that you'll have to do play-by-play for. Yeah, that will be awesome.
And I feel like Biz is going to go all in on that too. It's going to be great.
Can't wait. Can't wait.
So, other things. The Tampa Bay Rays are now 13-0.
We didn't jinx them is that a record tied tied two teams it reminds me of that that famous clip when someone uh called into francesa before opening day was like you ever think a team is going to be able to go 162 and oh and he like debated the guy for real i was like no it's it's crazy but now are the rays ever going to lose three games set at torontoonto this weekend and three games at cincinnati third i know they haven't played a lot of good teams but still 13-0 is fucking impressive it is good i wonder how that translates though to the rest of the season just in baseball history also go ahead sorry the teams that get off to the hottest start i wonder how frequently they end up in the world series yeah probably not often baseball is such a streaky sport that you'd almost rather you'd rather end the season well definitely you'd rather end the season 13-0 than start at 13-0 but uh and there's so many games they're basically if it was the nfl they were no they're what no they're 1-0 and up at halftime in the second game yeah yeah also in 10 of the 13 games they've given up three runs or less. That's pretty good.
I was walking by the gambling cave today, and it feels like they're just, like, toying with teams because they were playing the Red Sox. They had bases loaded, two outs, and a guy bunted a run in.
I love that. Small ball.
It's insane. Give me small ball all day.
That's a fucking crazy move. And we will be doing the fancy baseball draft at some point.
Yes. Yes.
We'll have to find one more person. Yes.
That also has to happen. We're going to – there was – maybe Tom Franelli wanted to be in.
I want to do the draft at All-Star break and have all the stats count already. Max had the idea looking past – he was already looking past the first round.
This is a programming. No, that's illegal.
You can't do that. God forbid you try and program the show or do any scheduling.
He said. I said that you didn't get full ownership for Brooks choking.
We should do. Not on Twitter.
Oh, I thought Twitter is not an app that we should use anymore. It's not.
I mean, it's pointless, but the facts remain. We should do...
Not on Twitter. We should do...
Oh, I thought Twitter's not an app that we should use anymore.

It's not.

I mean, it's pointless, but the facts remain.

We should do it during a hypothetical Sixers-Celtics live stream to the draft during...

Oh, that's good.

I also think we should have Tom draft the team, and then you just manage the team,

and you act like it was yours from the start.

Yeah, put Tom on those baseball.

But he can...

I'll have him manage it, but then I'll just say... He takes all the credit for Tom.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, that would be great.
Oh, yeah. And we should do – we should do, like, no computers.
We should have, like, a big draft board. So we have to, like, write down the names and stuff.
This is a big future. That would be awesome.
Yeah, because we'll definitely re-pick. Actually, we should count re-picks.
If they're honest re-picks, pass like the 10th round. A team can own the same guy.
We're going to have to get Stephen Che involved. Yeah, to figure this out for us, to coordinate it.
Yeah, he can be the commissioner. He already has his skills as being the commissioner of fantasy.
We also have potentially, depending on what happens tonight in hockey, Hank versus memes in the first round islanders uh bruins i also want to give just a heads up to anyone who follows part of my take on twitter please subscribe to the youtube as well i've told memes that he can just do a personal tweeting of all islanders games because he it is the the team that he cares the most about and it was funny seeing on the pmt, just having an Islanders post just out of, out of the clouds because they clinched the playoffs. And it was like, I don't think we've ever talked about the Islanders on this podcast.
He's just like, you know, take, take the wheels to this. We're at the last game at the, at the barn.
Yeah, we weren't. Wait, no, no, no, no.
Seven. Yeah.
We saved the barn. Yeah.
That was the last game there. Wasn't it? No, they played game seven there, I want to say.
They played one other game. They did have another game.
I don't know if it was there at the barn. But we saved the barn.
We did save the barn. And we'll be at their current home this weekend.
For what? Oh, funny guys. The NYPDF, the NY game.
All right, what else? What else? Billy, let me ask you a question. Yep.

Are you getting a little nervous about not having a quarterback?

Yep.

It does feel weird.

I mean, every week it's like it could be my fire fest.

It's just ongoing and everything that new comes out feels like they're farther apart.

Is Aaron Rodgers, I think there was a quote that said he was 90% retired and Woody Johnson

wanted a confirmation? Doesn't feel good. Doesn't feel good at all.
When was that quote? It's from somewhere. Okay.
I think it was said in private and Woody Johnson was like, what the fuck? We want some insurance. See, the thing is, Aaron, he's not going to play on the Packers this year, but he might retire.
And you know who's the worst? The Packers fans. Because they're just gloating about the whole situation.
Like, you can't have them. We can't have them.
Yeah. Welcome to my world.
Yeah. It's not off to a good start.
Even if he becomes a quarterback of the Jets, and I'm sure you guys will forget about this if he starts winning football games, but it's not a good sign to start the relationship if you ask somebody out on a date and then she ghosts you for the next two months. Yeah.
We signed Boyle.

Oh, Tim Boyle, TB12.

Yes, who we think is like his emotional support backup.

Yeah.

So hopefully that's like a step closer.

It's like one of his guys to get him there.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it because he's, like PFT said, he's not playing for the Packers.

So I've already moved on.

I don't care where he plays.

I don't care if he plays.

I don't care if he goes anywhere.

Like that relationship is over. I've done my celebrating.
It's's over you know who's the real winner right now who zach wilson why all right here we go hold on hold on everyone if you're standing up listening to sit down go like what if aaron rogers doesn't go then who's the guy zach wilson will suck again i know but like for him it's think if you're Zach Wilson, the best case scenario is that you don't have to play.

Correct.

Yeah.

More tape is bad tape.

Yes.

If you're Zach Wilson.

Yeah, this is actually the nightmare scenario for Zach Wilson.

Because he could back up Aaron Rodgers for a year.

They win a Super Bowl, hypothetically.

And then he's now had a year to study behind Aaron.

And people are like, wow, Zach Wilson might be good.

Whereas if he actually has to play football, people are going to be like Zach Wilson's not good right yeah right um it's all bad all right so we're two weeks from the draft I did see uh there's like a report that Stetson Bennett might go undrafted for off-field things which just made me laugh because if he was a top 10 pick,'s no chance he would go like yeah he was already a sixth or seventh rounder so I feel like teams are just using this as like hey we're standing up for something it sounds like smoke screen season yeah this sounds like one person was like yeah we really want him so we're just gonna say he might go on draft yes the arrest video wasn't that bad I thought it was a lot worse as it was described. Describe it.

I missed it.

The Stetson Bennett video.

Yeah, no, I missed it.

Yeah, so he got basically locked out and lost his phone.

And then once the officers got there, he was pretty respectful.

And then he just started because someone called that he was banging on a door trying to get in.

Could happen anyway.

I think the worst arrest video was Baker Mayfield because he got caught from behind.

He got caught by a middle-aged dude.

Yeah.

That was bad. If I was the Browns, I'd say, nope, nope, not me.
No chance, yeah. All right, and the last thing I had was, I don't know if you guys saw, but Jim Nance did a podcast, and he came out in defense of Tony Romo.
Oh, that's good. So I'm going to read the quote to you, and you tell me if you think there was any smoke to the fire that everyone was talking about.
Jim Nance should not be on the podcast yeah frankly that's beneath jim nance it is so he said tony is the best he's the absolute best and he's also one of my best friends i love the guy and when somebody starts questioning our chemistry there's an agenda there there's nothing wrong with our chemistry i've never had better chemistry with anybody in my career than tony all you have to do is sit in the booth with us, which people that are covering our business, they're always welcome to come in and take a look at how we interact between the two of us on the air, off the air, between plays. It's amazing.
I'm not worried about it. Here's what I don't get.
Where was all this outcry during the season? It's not like we were invisible. Me think the lady doth protest too much.
Yeah, that's like I'm not mad. Don't say that I was was mad please don't write in the newspaper that i was mad tony is the best he's the absolute best and he's also one of my best friends yeah jake describe describe sitting next to billy working with billy what would you say about that yeah he's the best he's one of my best friends yeah he is yeah exactly there we go and we rest our case also he said anyone in the business is welcome to observe i'll do it okay in the fall so you'll go observe if they come to metlife or i guess soldier field yeah yeah go observe usually on fox but you you have permission to go anywhere to observe them for again and report back we call it straight or will you have such reverence for yeah i'll tweet it okay but like you there's no way they're gonna let you in the booth jake you would be in the presence of jim, you just cream yourself.
You would, you'd add him your cat. I don't think you'd be able to go back to my Twitter two weeks ago.
It happened. What would you say? Oh, he saw Jim Nance.
That's right. Yeah.
No, but I'm saying like, if you got to watch him call a game, there's no way you'd be like the chemistry up here is questionable. So I'm willing to observe and take notes on that.
Okay. If they allow me.
Perfect. So CBS, yes.
Invite us. I won't do anything bad.
Definitely not. No.
No, like actually. We need to like get it so that we're like we get a big trench coat and we're underneath Jake.
Like in Space Jam. Put a stink bomb in his jacket.
He doesn't even know. Just detonate it.
What about a real bomb? Yeah, a real bomb would be sick. Kill Tony Romo.
Yeah. No.
All right, so invite us, CBS, to be determined whether Jake will be carrying a real bomb or not. No, I will.
Jake, have you ever seen the movie Valkyrie? No. With Tom Cruise.
You can't. If we put a suicide vest on you, you can't really stop us.
Well, then I wouldn't go. No, but you can't.
Oh, yeah. Then it's.
Yeah. Yeah.
What would you. Oh, you'd do like the noble thing and like jump into the ocean and just blow it up there.
Would you die for gymnasts? Ooh, good question. No? Okay.
All right. That's not an answer, Jake.
That was a, that was a regretfully yes. So you'd be alive, but gymnasts would die and then.
No, that's selfish. So you would die for die for Jim Nance.
I guess. Okay, good.
Okay. All right.
So, yeah, so Jake's the perfect suicide bomber, though. Yes, perfect suicide bomber.
Jake, when you get to heaven, there's a thousand Jim Nances calling every game. A little correction.
Stetson Bennett did make a couple of comments to the cops about how they ruined his reputation. That's a good...
Yeah, good correction. So Billy will be rooting for the FDNY this weekend, it sounds like? No, no, no.
NYPD. Okay.
Good correction. Alright, we got two awesome interviews.
He was overall pretty respectful, probably. We have Dan Hurley in studio fresh off the national, and then we're going to do Kirk Goldsberry, NBA preview, talking about the first round, who we think is going to make it out of the first round.
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Okay, here he is, UConn head coach Dan Hurley.

Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest in person.

He is now a national champion. It is Coach Dan Hurley from the UConn Huskies.
We talked to you after the Elite Eight, so congratulations. You did it.
You proved it. Has it set, I mean, what, we're like a week and a half after? You just rang the bell.
You've been doing the whirlwind tour, the parade and everything. Has it fully set in that you are a national champion and that this is – like you did it.
You did it. UConn did it.
UConn did it. We did it.
Like, you know, like the blur really since like I'd say winning the Arkansas game, man, like that getting ready for Gonzaga, knowing you're like a game away from getting to a Final Four. Blur, really, from that Gonzaga game through to, you know, sitting here with you guys, man, it's been a blur.
And then so, like, really just in the car, maybe like driving home, you think about it, oh, shit. Shit, we did it, yeah.
Won a national championship. Yeah.
I was coaching high school 12 years ago, whatever. It's, like, amazing.
But, you know, the job wakes you back up because everything just starts moving I wish I could have played like the CBI or the NIT or kept the season going because now I'm dealing with all the same shit that everyone else is dealing with right the NIL and transfer portal and right after the game was over it's like the media blitz starts right as soon as that final sounds. And one of the first people that got to talk to you after the championship was our darling Jake.

He was down on the court.

He pulled you aside and you said, I can't wait to go back on the podcast.

Do you remember the name of the podcast that you're on right now?

Yeah, find it.

Yeah, yeah.

It's right in front of me if I mess that up. Now, to be in the heat of the moment you were probably not thinking about this podcast as soon as you maybe you were I don't know after you won the national championship not at that moment shortly shortly after yeah that's true I did actually congratulate Andrew your son and I was like if he responds tonight I'm going to try to FaceTime him through Instagram.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we'd let you guys enjoy that.
I know. It's like the media, but then it's like the agents, they're all waiting for you.
Yeah. Like the players' agents.
It's crazy. You get back to the hotel.
You think it's just going to be a celebration, but. Everyone's got someone.
Yeah. Everyone's pitching their shit.
So right after you win, we were lucky enough to interview coach o at lsu right after they won like the morning after and you could tell he was still kind of in coach mode he was like running around yelling at the players like bus is leaving 8 a.m sharp be there you know that sort of thing like he was still trying to whip them into shape and make sure that they were on the right schedule right after you win how much of your job is still like as uh you know on the administrative side as a coach making sure the players are following like all the random details and how much of it is like you getting a chance to to celebrate with your family and with your guys yeah man so it's like uh you know i'm like old school i coach these guys pretty hard you know and you can tell by the way we play that like you know like our you know a whole like organization It's pretty, you know – it's discipline. So for me, after you win that, it was much more of like celebration with the guys.
You know, like your relationship is like – when you win a championship like that together, like, you know, they maybe see a different side of you. You're more like, I don't know, more vulnerable, more open, like but love right so now like i've been nice to them you know these guys you know since we won it i mean i'm sure these guys have had a great time and you know you could tell some of the some of their these guys have baggy eyes they look tired so yesterday i had to bring them in and like our fellas like we gotta, fellas, like, we've got to get back on track here.

And we've got to start functioning like an organization again

because, like, you guys have enjoyed this enough.

But those are the really cool moments in college sports

where I think even you're embraced with Jordan Hawkins,

knowing that he's going to go pro and what he proved this past year

to increase his lottery status and all that,

and you guys accomplish it together. Those are the moments that are, like, beautiful.
I don't want to sound sappy, but I love those. All the brutality, you know, all the brutality that we all go through.
You know, like the sacrifice, like the amount of time, you know, the intensity of what we do to be able to, like, deliver in big moments like that. You know, and then, you know, like you recruit this kid and his, his family's all in with his career.
And a dream is like, go to Yukon and absolutely crush it. You know, when, when you, when you hit, when it hits like that on both sides, man, it's like, it's the best.
It's the best. Cause it usually don't go like that.
Right. Right.
Uh, this might be a dumb question, but from our point of view, was it too easy?

It felt too easy for you guys.

Yeah, I kept looking at Luke Murray and Kamani and Young and Tom Moore.

I felt like right before these games started, is this going to be the one?

Is this going to be a game where it's going to have to be free throws or a big shot?

But just when you really – minus that month of January, man,

it was like –

You were proven –

That's what we did the whole year minus the month of January.

You were proven so correct when you said once we got out of Big East play

because I think it ended up, what, 17-0 against non-conference opponents,

all double-digit wins.

Yeah, and January felt like it was forever.

It's the longest month in terms of days, right? Yeah, 31. That's as high as you could go.
It just felt like such a long month. Yeah, but it's crazy because it really did feel – I think you guys were trailing all of 50 seconds in the second half in the tournament.
It just felt – I don't know if there was ever a moment, maybe when San Diego State cut it to five, but even then it felt like you guys weren't panicking and I think you might have called a timeout but yeah there wasn't a lot of panic no you know the only one that panicked was my associate head coach Kamani Young when we're down versus Iona I felt pretty I mean I didn't feel great about it you're down at halftime and you know what you did the year before Teddy Allen New Mexico it it was a disaster so um i went to locker room i felt like what they were doing was unsustainable yeah and i felt like we were getting like we were doing everything we wanted to do it just wasn't happening yet we're gonna go on a run and get them out of there but i so i walked into locker room i was very composed but i saw out of the corner of my eye kamani young and jordan hawkins face wake! We're not doing this again this year. So maybe, I don't know which one had the impact.
It might have been him or me being cool or him losing his mind. A little bit of both.
Coaches and teams are really good at finding any perceived slight against them to use that as motivation. I mean, we saw it with the Chiefs this year.
Travis Kelsey was like, nobody believed in us. It's like, you're the Chiefs.
I think a lot of people did believe in you. You were kind of in a similar situation.
You were just running roughshod on people. And most people, with the exception of Max, who did bet against you every single game in the tournament this year.
So he's a Villanova fan, diehard. So every single game he bet against you.
If you were looking for the one doubter in the world to use his motivation that's your guy right there well we i mean i get it though because we stole all of max's hope because everyone was talking up villanova when justin came back and we played that final game of the regular season down in philly and we crushed you guys and everyone was going crazy villanova was gonna win the biggies tournament villanova's on the bubble who could have said that and max we ended all that yeah yeah no no it was a rebuilding year you know first year head coach that's what you're saying all year right yeah well when more came back he was he was still a little hurt so so was there was there any any of that that you were not for max obviously but did you ever were you able to play the like nobody is believing that you can win this game card, no one thinks that you guys can win the championship? Or if, I guess probably not. And if not, what did you use as the motivation? Like the fact, I mean, we weren't ranked.
Unlike the Chiefs, I mean, they were like the Super Bowl favorite. Yeah.
It was different. We were not ranked in anything in the preseason.
So I think like in the beginning of the year and if for me like just any time um you know a flight is late or we the hotel yeah in vegas first hotel in vegas was just a there was a dump and um we just knew we couldn't stay in there it was it was shady and it was really bad and then we went right to practice and then they robbed the bus and stole all the computers so things like that that are going on hey like they put us in the worst hotel of all the seeds out here I mean I'll use any of that I'll use it all well if you want Max next year we will offer him up to you because it is shocking you guys won every game by double digits he bet against you every single. So you couldn't even watch the games with any real drama.
I don't think it was. I didn't doubt.
Just completely robbed them of everything. I didn't doubt UConn.
I just hate UConn basketball. So, like, I couldn't bring myself to root to bet on UConn because I truly hate your basketball program a lot.
The coaches, the players, the fans. The fans, really.
The fans, really. He gets really upset that you said, what was the quote, like something about Madison Square Garden is your guys' home away from home.
Oh, yeah, I got mad at that. Yeah, he gets really upset about that.
I mean, like when we come here, it's like when we play St. John's here, it feels like a home game.
Yeah, no, I get that we do i mean it's not like we dominate here i mean we've we've done bad in here too yeah i got thrown out of here in the iowa game i had the chest bump yeah it hasn't all been the joy ride yeah no i i went pretty hard at i was pretty excited when you guys lost in the big east tournament to go back to that quote i know and then one of the guys on marquette did it and yeah it was taken out of context I didn't say, like, we can't be beaten here. Yeah.
I just said we're at home. You did have the quote, get your wins in now.
When you lost to Villanova, was it year two? Year two. Year two.
Yeah, with Max's crew. So how does that feel? Like, that must feel awesome to be like, look, I said this, and I was right, and we were vindicated, and we put a championship banner up in in stores yeah I mean I felt like I had to say something you know all those national championships

I mean like from 19 to 14 four of them and now you're playing like a mid-major like really bad

program you know year one we play Villanova at the Garden they smoked us they beat us by 25 right

before Christmas it just you know it just destroyed. And we played them the next year on the road there, and we lost like a one-possession game.
Like we were right there year two. And I knew we had like our talent level was about to increase.
I knew we kind of had our culture and organization together, and it was about to take off. And when you're a coach at UConn, sometimes got to say shit to get to rally the troops because it's uh you know it's a high bar over there yeah yeah it's the basketball capital of the world I did I oh I like that right now I like that are you guys a blue blood because we had the debate we we gave you guys blue blood status for winning the I know I know so this uh Dan Toscano one of our board members and like uh one of our big donors, his thing is like, no, forget the blue blood.
We're a program that bleeds blue. You know, Max, the bleed blue.
So we're going to create our own. Because we've got the five national championships and NBA players for days in the last 20 years, most of anyone.
That is, yeah. Max, we bleed blue.
We don't even want to be a blue blood. We're our own kind of deal.
It was cool. It must have been awesome after the game to see all of the legends of UConn on the court celebrating with you guys.
There's some programs that have that, obviously. Kentucky's got a ton.
Duke's got a ton. But to have that, and I'm sure that helps in recruiting where you're like, look, I'm hanging out with Ray Allen.
I'm hanging out with, you know, all these guys right after the game. Big star power.
Yeah. Like, big star power.
And all those guys, they're in the practice facility. You got all the banners.
You got all the lottery picks. So, you know, Ray Allen and Rip, all these guys are looking down on us on that practice court.
And just to have everybody kind of congregate out in Houston, man, it was just a wild scene. Those guys are coming to practices.
They're on the court with you while you're cutting down the nets. They're back at the hotel when it's just absolute mayhem back there.
And they're just in the mix with all UConn fans. It was crazy.
Yeah. Did you get a chance to catch up with Jim N nance after the final four no i uh not after just on the podium um you know but our podium podium was like all disorganized man like we had like key players and like major coaches were like in the back or like we had like gas in the front with the trophy with players that like didn't do as much as like other players it was this very bad setup yeah but it was cool uh uh just being around people like that i mean again i was like a high school coach not too long ago to be out there with like you know raft and and jim nance's last final four his first ones with your brother uh that was that was crazy yeah so speaking of your brother we had him on the day that you won the national title we interviewed him on on that Saturday before you had played in a Final Four game.
I want to give him credit. We gave him the question.
He said he's 100% rooting for you. So I want you to know that he – because we gave him as many outs as possible.
Like, hey, wouldn't it be nice? You know, like there's maybe .01% like true serum that you want to do it for him. But he put it perfectly.
He's like the college career my dad had the high school career and now Dan is doing his thing and winning a national title it's like did it did you have a little of that where it's like not that you've been living in the shadow of your brother and your dad but there's been a lot of talk about those two guys and now you have your moment yeah it's like when you look at your career as a player and a coach, it's not like I had a bad career. I mean, I ended up being a pretty good player at the end of my playing career.
Obviously, my first attempt in college didn't work out great. I got fired at Rutgers as an assistant and didn't necessarily even work my way back to this.
But at St. Benedict at St.
Benedict's, I ran like a big-time program at Wagner. We won at a high level.
Rhode Island, like we did, you know, great stuff. But I never accomplished that real like elite level shit, right? Yeah.
That stuff that like, you know, it's the top of your profession, top of the competition type of moment. So for me, yeah, I mean, I've been a basketball lifer, so it was a big moment.
I love it. I'd say, yeah, this is definitely a huge moment for you.
I'll give you the opportunity. We'll do a headline grab here, so I'll just give you the opportunity to say, the Houston Rockets call you tomorrow.
We want Dan Hurley as our head coach. What do you say? Yeah, no, I'm not.
I've still got some developing to do on the sideline. There's no one coaching like me in the NBA.
They're not ready. They're not ready.
They're not ready, and maybe I'm certainly not ready. I do believe, I mean, that is something I aspire to down the road.
I love college. I hope I could continue to put UConn in this position moving forward.
I don't think we're going anywhere. I think we're going to stay somewhat in the area where we are.
They're hard to do every year, but I think we've established a level. But NBA someday, I just got to kind of continue to mellow and more zen.
Well, so I read an article before the Final Four that said that you were zen and this team was so good that you didn't get angry. Have you gone soft? No, no, no.
People are saying he's gone soft. Not me.
You're not seeing the rage as much. Oh, no.
Rage behind closed doors was all there. The practice intensity.
You're getting a little mad that Big Cat called you soft right now. I can see it.
I want to see because i'm seeing that the it's true that you're not soft but people have called you soft i know so well ever since you said that you didn't drink your own piss and to me that made you soft i know i know i know after though after the effing clown thing in in the Villanova, once the effing clown thing went viral, like a lot went on after that. And my wife sat me down, you know, my agent, and told me I had to just calm it down a little bit.
Really since then, the antics haven't been quite what they used to. Yeah.
And we would show, we had like a four-minute mixtape that we would show to like recruits and the recruits. Listen, their families love it.
The players love the way I coach. Yeah.
I know that like a lot of opposing fans don't like it, you know, because it's intense, man. It's like it's in your face.
That's the way we play. I don't care.
I mean, I've also created a lot of enemies because everywhere I've been, I've won a lot. So all those other teams and those conferences and different places that we've kicked their ass, I've made a lot of enemies over the years.
Yeah. I don't care.
So not soft. Not soft.
Okay. Just maturing a little bit, picking my spots.
Okay, nice. It's like a focused rage that you can still channel sometimes.
A time and a place for everything, right? It's like my favorite coach, Fran McCaffrey, right? It's like I just want to channel it like that and have more bigger moments like him. Did you like his stare down? No, that was crazy.
That was so awesome. I never saw that.
But when I saw it, did he get a tech call after that? I don't think he got a tech call after that, but they came back. That was the crazy comeback where they were down like 12 with like 50 seconds left.
And he just stood there. He'd still be standing there if someone didn't grab him.
I got a lot of respect for the official. And I had him on a tournament game, and I wanted to ask him about it.
But that was the best one I've seen. That was just the best one.
Yeah, you can't break a stare down. You have to have your own guy pull you away from him.
No, it was like the UFC or a big boxing. Yeah, they were just locked forever.
I love him. Speaking of the NBA, this is a weird question, but Kyle Anderson played for your dad, gets in that little thing with Rudy Gobert, and I'm wondering, I don't know if you talked to your dad about it at all, but his restraint in that moment was exceptional because Rudy Gobert throws a punch at him.
You can see him instantly go after him, and then he immediately is like, wait, stop. It's bigger than this.
We have to win this game. Can we give your dad credit for that? Yeah, shout out to St.
Anthony there. Slow-mo, you know, slow-mo, great family, like great, great, great people.
And a state champion at St. Anthony, number one in the country, one of the best players ever to come out of Jersey.
Definitely St. Anthony.
Street stops here. Miracle St.
Anthony, all that. Yeah, and he was taught correctly to not throw punches in the huddle.
No, because, yeah, I mean, yeah, he learned how to say Anthony from my dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was the look of a man that knew that Rudy Gobert had probably like two feet of reach on him. Yeah, I mean, smart guy.
I mean, you know, my dad's an intense guy. I'm sure they came close to.
He said that. He was like, look, I've had these things happen.
Like, I've been in these intense wars and it's jersey i mean north jersey basketball even i think back to when when i was coaching high school kevin boyle who's at monteverde who has like number one team in the country every year and all types of nba players and my dad we're all coaching within like you know eight miles of each other and you would have in any given year you know like 10 or 12 high major recruits that could play anywhere in the country. And so there's no better place than like North Jersey for basketball, like during that time in the 2000s.
Yeah. Can you look around the country and say, okay, California kids play this style.
North Jersey kids play this style. Florida kids play this style.
Yeah, yeah, there is definitely. You know, there's definitely, you see the differences, you know, with like a team from Philly or, you know, an AAU team from New York City versus, you know, like a West Coast team.
And even like one of our key ingredients with this year's team, Joey California. Yeah.
I wasn't sure that it would translate, you know, just that it would have to translate. Just it would have the guts to do it in the Big East, but Joey pulled it off.
Yeah, he was awesome. He was awesome.
It's like a character from Top Gun, Joey. Right? Like he could have easily been an Iceman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was one moment at the end of the game I wanted to talk to you about.
You got your son in the game. He played in every tournament game, which credit to you.
You were looking out for him. You got him some minutes there at the end.
He looked like he wanted to pull up a three at the end of the game. And I saw you on the sidelines, and he had the ball in his hand.
And it looked like you told him, don't shoot it. And he listened to you in that moment.
But probably in the back of his mind, he's like, I just wish I could have gotten that shot. I wish I could have gotten on the stat sheet.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he doesn't listen to me.
It's like any kid his age, he doesn't listen to me. He goes to his mother a lot more times because she's going to tell him what he wants to hear.
And I'm going to be more honest with him. And he desperately wanted to shoot.
He was very assertive and very aggressive throughout the tournament. You know, he either rebounded the ball, got a steal or fouled.
He's fouling the shit out of people too. And then he took back-to-back threes, I think, in Albany.
First one he almost had on a step-back versus scholarship guy. And then I think he might have air-balled the second shot.
Yeah. You know, so we met after at the hotel.
That would have been very funny, though. We heard our efficiency.
You're telling him not to shoot in the last seconds, and then he finds his mom in the stands. He's like, Mom, can I shoot? Yeah.
And she's like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
She's like, right over my head. You got this.
Yeah, he turned the ball over against Miami, picked up a five-second violation at the end of that Miami game. So he did not have a clean sheet in the NCAA.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it was an incredible run.
I'm happy I wasn't the mush. I told you that I was afraid for a while.
Good news is I had Max going the other way, which I think he's the actual mush. So he helped us out.
My last question, and this has been awesome. Well, you have to get us our painting.
Yeah. You guaranteed that.
I took a look around. Yeah, you did a mental snapshot.
I have got everything I need to know. Yeah.
So I'm always curious about this with coaches. So you win the title.
Obviously, it's incredible. Your roster's incredible.
A guy like Jordan Hawkins, who's going to most likely be a lottery pick, what is the conversation with him? Is there any part of you that's like, come on, just come back one more? Or are you just – because that always – selfishly, if I was in that shoes, I'd be like, come on, man, let's run it back. Because you obviously want the success, but you also want him to live his dreams.
Can't do it unless you think a kid's making a mistake. Yeah.
Unless you think a kid is not ready. Or he can really increase his chances.
Like Booknight at the end of his freshman year, James Booknight could have gone like late first. He was crushing at the end of his freshman year.
You know, but we knew that, you know, he could become a lottery pick and he could make a lot more money by coming back to college. You know, I think you just, each situation, you do what's in the best interest of the kid.
You try not to think selfishly about it whatsoever. Even Andre Jackson, I mean, he's one that we we're you know that one that's probably going to play out over the course of the next month if he could be a first round pick you know he's got to go um if he's not a first round pick the way it's set up in college now it probably makes more sense to if you have the ability to get there go back and get better in college there's NIL um if you're going you know if you're on a team like ours which you know we're not going anywhere we're going to have a chance to field a team next year with clinging and caravan and a bunch of these guys we were that we're going to return we got top recruiting class coming in i planned for jordan hawkins to leave yeah yeah you planned for like sunogo hawkins potentially andre going out the door this year before the, and you make sure you have a top recruiting class coming in like we do.

And now we'll go in the portal and make some strategic.

I would be the worst coach because I would sit down, Jordan Hawkins,

and be like, listen, buddy, if you don't come back, I'm going to bash you to everyone.

No.

Just come back.

Big cat.

I'm telling you, it's going to be so easy.

It's going to be so much easier to get the next kid.

Yeah, true. Long picture.
You're thinking big picture. I'm thinking I want to win again right away with the same guy.
Yeah, and I know what we've got coming in with the freshman class, man. It's like I've got five big-time players.
Are you going to go to the draft? Yeah, yeah. And we missed Booknight's draft because myself and Kamadi Young, we got COVID.
Oh. Like literally the day of it, and they sent us home.
Okay, so we watched book night. That's going to be a very cool moment to go to the draft with some nice guys.
Yeah, that's going to be awesome, man. That'll rival winning it.
Yeah. That'll rival winning it.
Yeah. Some coaches say it's better.
Yeah, I think so. Because it's like these families, man, like the Hawkins family, the Jackson family, you know, potentially Sunogo, man, like these, you know, you're just so proud.
It's life-changing moments. Yeah.
It's a deep connection you're going to have with these guys for the rest of their lives. That's very cool.
That's got to be a cool moment as a coach. Yes, absolutely.
My last question has to do with your underwear, so the lucky underwear. Yeah.
Was it dragon underwear? Dragons, man. That you wore for every season.
I'm assuming that you washed it in between every game yeah and between every game like that you know like they used to do it in the old like the olden days with the the washboards scrub yeah scrub them good you just fill the sink up with soap water yeah hotel you put the underwear in there you set up the hair dryers yeah you know so are we are we retiring that said underwear are we bringing it back next year's tournament are we going to hang it up like a banner it wasn't it's like first of all it's um it's like a three there's like three pairs of them it's it's great white sharks it's it's wolves there's a pair of lions and then there's there's the dragons so it's actually four different underwear they. And when you get to the postseason, you just go with who brought the best season.
Yeah, exactly. And then you just go with that.
We need some analytics next year. Yeah, which – We'll run that for you.
If you want to have one of your GAs or someone, just shoot Jake a note being like, Danny's wearing this tonight, and then we'll just run the stats and we'll put out a graphic after every game and like he's three and one with the yeah yeah yeah he's four and oh with the wolves yeah yeah they sent me a big box too there's like a hundred pairs of them and some of them are boxers and bikinis and they're all different sizes i just don't know what to do with you gotta wear the bikini went to maui like do I just take them and, like, throw them out of the back of my truck? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with these underwears. Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Coach. Max, any last words? Because you've been the biggest loser in the month of March.
Yeah, no. I'm a big loser.
You're a big winner. That's basically all I have to say.
Okay, all right. You're welcome.
You're welcome. You're welcome for me rooting against you.
Yeah. So there it is.
Uh, thanks so much, coach. We really appreciate it.
I appreciate it. Max.
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And now here's Kirk Goldsberry. And now now for something completely different okay we now welcome on one of our best friends recurring guest teacher of young minds uh kirk goldsbury we're gonna talk a little nba playoffs we got to get a little preview going for the people uh the playoffs start in earnest on saturday we're gonna run this on fr Friday.
Let's start here, though, Kirk. Playing games.
We saw on Wednesday night DeMar DeRozan's daughter, D.R. DeRozan, maybe the greatest free throw defensive performance that a team has ever displayed.
She was screaming in every Raptors shot. They went 18 for 36 from the free throw line in a game that the bulls won by like four points can you quantify what she did for the bulls on wednesday night i've never seen anything like it uh but whatever happened the free throws cost them that game i think the raptors like you said missed 18 free throws and from our friends at espn and stats and info that's the most in a winner-take-all playoffoff or play-in game, Big Cat, since the Lakers missed 19 in Game 7 of the 1969 NBA Finals.
So historically bad, and you've got to credit DeMar's little daughter for disrupting them at the line. What else can explain that? It was incredible.
On kind of a halfway serious note from that that is there something that you can put together where you can quantify where teams overall are the worst at shooting free throws like what is the hardest place to shoot a free throw in the nba you gotta guess i would i would guess it's road environments like uh boston or oklahoma city where the crowd's really loud but yeah that leads us back to DR, who, you know, that washed across my Twitter feed,

and I was like, whatever, this isn't, and then you click on it,

and that noise was legitimately upsetting and disruptive.

You know, we're all human beings.

Big Cat, you're the baller of the group.

If you were shooting free throws, do you think that noise would get to you?

Yeah, well, maybe it would help me because I'm not a great free throw shooter,

but it was. It was crazy.

It was like she's actually impacting the game here. I will not hear otherwise.
You just said it. The most missed free throw since 1969 in an elimination game in the playoffs.
That's insane. Yeah, and it was the sound in that quiet gym.
It jumped off the speakers, I guess. But, yeah, that's why I love the playoffs.
I guess the play-in here. You never know what's going to happen, guys.
And that was just an unprecedented moment. So about the play-in, we had the take on Wednesday.
In theory, I'm not opposed to the play-in. My problem with it is that the NBA playoffs usually go somewhat to script, that the top seeds usually advance, and it's very hard for a seven or 8 seed.
You know, the 8 seed, I think it's only happened like two or three times. One of them was an injury.
The other was a famous Dikembe Mutombo. Nuggets team in a five-game series.
So do any of these teams have a shot of making noise, and specifically the Lakers, because that feels like everyone's pick of like, hey, watch out, the Lakers are now now in the playoffs do they have a chance of going on a deep run yeah I think the Lakers are the obvious choice and I know we'll talk a lot about them big cat but I love the Oklahoma City Thunder uh you know they have an all NBA guard who was the best player in the game uh Wednesday night as as the Thunder beat the Pelicans.

And if I'm sitting there and I'm the Denver Nuggets, I'm not scared,

but that looks like a tougher team to beat than a normal eighth seed.

And certainly the Grizzlies are now looking at the Lakers as a seventh seed.

In the East, I don't think it's very scary. I don't think either the Bucs or Celtics who are sitting there one or two

are worried about whoever comes out of this playing tournament. But the West is a different story.
And that's one of the big themes. The West is topsy-turvy in the Lakers are emergent.
The Warriors are emergent and the Suns are emergent. Like some of the best teams in terms of the betting markets are at the bottom half of the bracket, in part because they have dudes that we've seen win the finals.
We've had all these finalsvps in the bottom of the western bracket but the lakers to me are the scariest team to ever come out of the play-in tournament does that mean they're going to the finals of course not but geez the lebron james anthony davis that's a pretty scary seven scene don't you think yeah the long history the vaunted history of the play-in tournament the lakers are the best team to emerge from that i think patrick beverly is the best player to emerge from the play-in tournament play in p well i think caruso who reminds me of matthew de la vidova a little bit yeah i think he'd like that comp uh but in all seriousness the lineups that chicago is good on defense now yeah and the the beverly caruso combo.'re able to mess with opposing backcourts uh in a way that just disrupts things and i think caruso played incredible last night beverly gives every team he plays on that sort of personality implant that changes the vibe and every jam he walks into uh and he's toughened up that bulls defense. And that's their defining trade going into Friday's game against Miami in Miami.
And they could certainly win that by the way they play. Yeah.
Can you quantify how much of an impact Pat Bev actually makes? Because Russell Westbrook had the famous quote, Pat Bev trick y'all, man. Like he playing defense, he don't guard nobody.
He just run around doing does Patrick Beverly just run around doing nothing or is he actually is he actually a good defensive player in crunch time both can be true I think PFT the bark is louder than the bite in his case analytically he doesn't show up but man you can't argue with some of the teams he's played on how they've ramped up their defensive effectiveness with him on the court analytically and with the eye test. I think the Bulls have a pretty low ceiling this year, but that ceiling's higher than it was before he got there.
I think he's added a toughness. That defense is starting to jump off the page.
Simply put, it's one of the best defenses in the NBA in the last few weeks. And I think that has a lot to do with him and Caruso being healthy.
It's too bad they don't have Lonzo Ball. But it's also a major accomplishment, Big Cat, because your team with Vucevic, Levine, and DeMar, you're telling me that's somehow a decent defense? Yeah.
That's one of the biggest upsets of the second half of the NBA season. And PFT, I give credit to Beverly and Caruso for that, not to mention the coaches, obviously.
I do always feel bad when Vooch gets stuck in a pick-and-roll out on the perimeter and you're like, there's a 50-50 chance he trips over his own feet here. So let's stick with – let's do a little East talk.
The Bucs, I think everyone expects them to be there, at least to the conference final. The Celtics and Sixers, let's start with the Celtics.
Hank's not in the room right now, but I feel like I've heard a prevailing theory that maybe the Celtics are better when Marcus Smart isn't on the court. Is there anything to back up that anecdotal feeling and what kind of has happened with last year's defensive player of the year? This year, I think he's had some injuries, but it does feel a little different than it did last year.
Yeah, the short answer is Malcolm Brogdon, who they brought in in the offseason, and he's great. And he is a nice player to have.
And they have Derek White, Malcolm Brogdon, and now Marcus Smart fighting for those slots in the backcourt, Big Cat. And I think they're both better offensive players, Brogdon and White, than Marcus Smart is right now.
And none of them are going to win defensive player of the year like Marcus did last year. But they're pretty good on that end.
But to answer your question, and this is going to be a theme today, the regular season and the playoffs are different animals. What this team has with Marcus, Malcolm, and Derek in the backcourt is flexibility there are going to be matchups that marcus is going to be the right answer there's going to be moments when when and derrick and malcolm are the right answer and so one of the things i'm watching with the celtics who have a great shot to come out of the east uh is how missoula their first year coach is going to use their rotations against certain teams um because as know, there's only five guys allowed on the court at any given time, and the Celtics are pretty deep.
The backcourt's only part of that. But how is Marcus going to fit in? He's going to start, but who's going to finish and why? That's a big set of questions for the Celtics going into this playoff season.
What teams in the East are built for the regular season that have the the biggest

likelihood of sliding back in a seven game series as opposed to like is there another team out there that was not built for the regular season that is definitely built for the playoffs the obvious answer here is uh the one that has james harden on it uh and that's a that's a tough reality. That's a tough reality.

Good point. But until we see

it, PFT,

you know, it's fair to hang that on him a little bit and if there's one player and one team who has sort of a legacy at stake this postseason it's the Philadelphia 76ers and the other one I would say is Doc Rivers is part of that it's not just James yeah Rivers hasn't been a great playoff coach in the last five, ten years either. And so that's the obvious answer.
I love this Sixers team. Obviously, Embiid might be the best player in the league.
It's either him or Giannis probably on both ends of the court. But, yeah, those dudes have a lot at stake.
And if there's one team that you can't really count on in this group of top Eastern teams going into this playoffs it's fair to say that's philadelphia what about the opposite of that what's one team that is you know maybe they they slept walked a little bit in the regular season but come playoff time they can flip the switch um i wouldn't say they slept walk because because janice is incredible uh but chris middleton was not there for most of the season and chris Middleton is one of the big X factors in this playoffs. The last time this team was whole in the playoffs, they won the NBA championship.
I think there's something like 27 and five, 28 and five since Middleton's come back. The Milwaukee bucks did not sleepwalk through anything, but their ceiling is very obviously the championship

if they're healthy.

And last time they were healthy, as I mentioned, they can beat anybody.

So I think that would be my answer.

I also love this Cleveland Cavaliers team.

I think they're really great on defense, but they also have that Donovan Mitchell factor

and Darius Garland in the backcourt that can score on anyone in crunch time. And so I'm really eager to see how they do.
I don't think they're at the status of Milwaukee or Boston yet, guys. But that team, I'm buying stock on them winning a title in the 2020s.
Oh, wow. And they could surprise this year.
And that happens in the playoffs sometimes. You get ahead of schedule, like that Thunder team in 2011.
Yeah. Or 2010, I should say.
The interesting thing with the Cavs is, I mean, I love the storyline. Donovan Mitchell, you know, with the Knicks, it looked like it was going to happen.
Didn't happen. He is the quintessential guy who, like, can win you a game but can also lose you a game by trying to win you a game too hard.
That series specifically should be great. Is there anything to be said for, I love Tibbs as a coach, but I witnessed this and felt this personally, that he gets the most out of his guys in the regular season, and then when you get to the playoffs, finding that extra gear, kind of like what PFT and you guys were talking about there with the Bucs,

finding that extra gear, there is no extra gear for the Knicks.

They are what they are.

They tried really hard.

They always give max effort.

In February, it can win you a lot of games.

But come April, May, June, there's not that extra gear that they can find

and beat some of these elite teams.

Yeah, a couple things I'll say to that.

First of all, if I was in New York City over the next couple weeks i'd get to madison square garden because playoff basketball there guys is special it is one of my favorite things on the planet so please at least one of you go to one of those games i think nick's emergence now they landed at five this is a successful season um the jalen brunson acquisition has been great their offense is very good, but I'm not picking them to win their first round series because they're playing just a stacked Cavs team, and that's a tough four seed. I think you've got to look forward as the Knicks are going from bad to good, this sort of being a transitional year.
We're a first round playoff team. I think they have a lot to build on.
Tibbs has that reputation, and it's fair. He uses his starting group a lot.
But this team has a little depth, and the bench players in the backcourt can make things happen. I wouldn't be shocked if they win, but I think the Cavs are the right choice there.
What about the Miami Heat? Are they officially dead? I think we pronounced them dead. Like the entire culture.
The culture died. Dude, it's so hard.
It's so hard to rule these guys out. I think there's a world where three weeks from now we're still talking about it because they somehow pulled themselves out of this grave that seems like they're in.
But doesn't it seem like it? You know, it seems like they got their butts kicked on the glass in a way that a Miami team just doesn't get. That doesn't happen.

And it wasn't exactly Dennis Rodman out there. Clint Capella is a great player of the Hawks for a talented frontcourt, but that was a butt whooping on the glass.
They need to have more from Bam Adebayo going forward, and Jimmy Butler didn't have it going. They need more Tyler Harrow.
But, yeah, if they lose to this Chicago team, I think it's time to change some things in Miami. And I think whatever era we just watched, which is undeniably successful, guys, getting to the finals, might have to end and they might have to make some big changes.
So heat culture, I think, can survive regime changes and personnel turnover. I do think it starts with Riley and Spolstra, and I do have a lot of respect for that organization, guys.
it seems like we're at the end of a person and l run here if they lose duncan robinson needs more minutes that's what i'm hearing from you duncan robinson is uh one of the best catch and shoot guys in the league but i don't think they've they've liked what they've seen when he's been on the court so i'll trust eric spolstra with the lineup stuff but this team just might not have enough power to get through um the first round even the playing tournament okay so out in the west um couple questions couple teams i want to touch on i want you to make a prediction about how the sons are the greatest offensive team you've ever seen just so that they can lose in the first round and we can laugh at you uh but let's start with them they have when kevin duran has been healthy they have i think they haven't lost now is that their competition or is that this team is that scary and uh you you feel most confident like backing them in the west playoffs well I think the definitive theme of the western conference this year is WTF I don't I don't think I'll ever come on here with you guys in another postseason preview and and just out this kind of concept that the West is drunk. Nobody has any idea what's going to happen.
You can't make sense to the regular season numbers. Look, I use regular season numbers to try to predict.
But the Suns weren't the Suns. The Lakers weren't the Lakers until very late in the season.
They're two of the betting favorites now to come out of the West. And the Warriors haven't been right all year.
So it's topsy-turvy. I will predict that the Suns are going to come out of the West.
It hinges on Kevin Durant's health. He is such an incredible scorer, big cat.
He's the first scorer in NBA history to put up 55, 40, 90 numbers for a season. He's just insane.
He can get shots against any defender in the league and and convert them at a high rate you factor in the fact they also have devin booker and chris paul and deandre ayton um tj warren some nice supporting pieces they deserve to be the favorites but it all hinges on the health of one dude and that's that's obviously duran Yeah. What about our Kings, our beloved Kings up in Sacramento?

They had a great regular season.

I feel like people are like patting the Kings on the head

and being like, that was really cute what you guys did.

Great job.

I'm proud of you guys.

But are they actually a threat?

Are the Kings a threat to come out of the West?

PFT, what do the enchiladas and moss T-shirts say?

Never trust a skinny cook. One of our favorite sayings down here in austin and i say never trust the thin defense and that's exactly what the sacramento kings are this season they are the best offense in the league credit to them credit to mike brown here and fox the bonus have been great they're the number 24th ranked and simply said, I've never seen a defense ranked that low do much in the playoffs.
Add in, they got obviously a horrible draw in the Western Conference first round against the defending champs and one of the dynasties of recent pro basketball history. So it's, I'm not ruling them out by any means, but they got to get stops.
They got to show me stuff on defense they haven't been able to show me this season. I just think the West, especially the lower half of the bracket, is so – look, I think it's 10 of the last 11 Finals MVPs, guys, are in four through eight seeds in the West right now.
So you have dudes like Durant, Curry, Kawhi, and LeBron. These aren't typical four, five, six, seven seeds.
And that's what this unproven top tier in the West that includes Sacramento, that includes a banged-up Memphis team, and that includes an unproven Nuggets team is staring at. It's not a normal year, in part because they're unproven, but in part because that bottom half of the bracket is the Illuminati.
And they're going to run into tough matchups earlier in their playoff runs than they would in normal years. So about the Nuggets, could we go with maybe the theory that it looks like Embiid is the MVP, so now the pressure is off because there has been some backlash to Djokic winning.
It looked like for a while there he's going to win his third straight MVP, and they haven't done much in the playoffs. Is this any different than the past few years for the Nuggets? If you're a Nuggets fan, how are you gearing up for the playoffs mentally saying, no, it's not going to be another disappointing second-round exit? Well, you're the one seed, and I would say this about any one seed.
If you're the one seed, you're slated to go to the finals. If the seeds hold at worst conference finals, this team doesn't get to the Western conference finals, but it's a disappointment.
And it's a particularly powerful disappointment for a team that's failed to get over the hump with an MVP for the last few years. Now they have a very good excuse that their supporting cast has been just destroyed with injuries in some of these previous runs.
Still said they're the number one seed and it's fair to hang that big conference finals expectation on them. And again, I go back to the bizarre nature of this playoff bracket.
Their second round opponent is likely going to be somebody like Kevinvin durant the suns or kawaii leonard and the clippers not a normal second round opponent and there's a world where they get bounced in the second round and at that point it's it's almost like i'm trying to think of an nfl example like those bills teams at that in the jim kelly era it's like you just can't do it guys. You can get close, but you just can't,

they're going to start getting that reputation fair or not.

That's the industry I work in.

And people are going to start saying that this team can't get it done when it matters most.

And that's,

that's unfortunately what's at stake for them this year.

If they can't make a big,

deep run towards the finals,

are they,

they're healthier.

Do you have any,

any confidence whatsoever in them being able to handle a Clippers or Suns team in the second round? More than I have when they were always injured. I think they're pretty deep this time around.
Their offense is going to score against anybody, and Jokic can score against anybody as a scorer himself or obviously as a playmaker um you add Michael Porter Jr. Jamal Murray they have a core of guys that's going to score the big questions like with Sacramento are on the other side of the court are they going to be able to get stops against this Suns team that includes like potentially three Hall of Famers in the starting five including a great point guard the best shooter in the league league, and Kevin Durant, the best scorer in the league, I should say, best shooter, Steph Curry.
But, and also Devin Booker. When Devin Booker's your second option, I mean, that's terrifying.
And my big question for Denver, is that defense going to be able to stop a team like that in the second round? I think that's where I'm zeroing in, and I'm they will be big cat yeah you worked with kawaii in uh in san antonio you saw him get ready for the playoffs does he ever get amped up does he ever is he ever fired up going into even like some of the biggest games of his career or is he a hundred percent across the board just like flatlining just a robot uh i don't like when people call call him a robot because I've seen him do incredible things as a human being that defied expectations and proved that he was up for the moment. The ones that stick out to me are the early in his career, the defensive performances against LeBron James.
Nobody in the world expected him to do that. So obviously his preparation, his mentality, and you can't he's a lot like tim duncan in the sense that no trash talker in duncan's day with garnett is going to get through to kawai uh pat bev can get under almost anybody's skin he's not going to annoy kawai and i i do think that's one of his best traits is that as as intense as these games can be in the springtime in the NBA,

Kawhi's unflappable.

And people call him a robot, whatever.

But to me, he's obviously prepared.

He's one of the best postseason players.

When he's healthy, look at what he did in 2019.

Look at what he did for 2014 Spurs.

He has that in him.

And obviously, they've been bitten by the injury bug, too.

The Clippers with Paul George likely to miss this whole first- series but the Clippers are also a very dangerous team with or without Paul George if Kawhi Leonard if you're telling me he's playing his best basketball he hasn't lost many playoff series when he's done that yeah and so I think it's a very dangerous team I guess when I call him a robot normally I would be using that as like you know an insult to somebody but with Kawhaii i think maybe we just need to rebrand like he's an assassin just cold yeah and yeah there's something weird about his his demeanor i'll give you that it's very unusual he's not a very vocal leader obviously um but it's terrifying it's terrifying for every team he plays against because I love his game on offense now.

He deserves a lot of credit.

Because here's what I'd say about him.

When we had him in San Antonio, he was in the midst of probably the most impressive player development arc I've ever seen.

Going from a guy who, quote unquote, couldn't shoot.

Go back and read the scouting reports when he came out of the draft.

Can't shoot.

Worst shooter in his position group in his class.

Now he's one of the best mid-range scorers on the planet. Can hit threes, off the dribble, has these little half hooks, can finish, can dunk.
Obviously he has that historic game-winning baseline shot over Embiid in the 2019 playoffs. He is built for playoff war, and if you want to call him assassin, I think that's a better fit, PFT, because he can go out and win a game or a series with his scoring and obviously his defense.
Everybody knows about that too. Yeah, so defense has been a theme in this conversation, obviously talking about the Nuggets and the Kings and their defensive inefficiencies.
Not statistically speaking, but more in your trust factor. Who are the top two defenses in each East and West? Because you could possibly say the could possibly say the Warriors, even though they're, you know, they've been terrible on the road, but those guys all know each other so well and the way they rotate and everything.
So who are the two teams that you trust most defensively in the East and the West? Well, I'll answer the question, you know, and I'll answer it, but it skews East big cat because you're going to make me not say Cleveland and they're probably the third best defense in these playoffs. So I'm going to say I've seen Boston, and I've seen Milwaukee play great defense in the postseason.
I'm waiting for Cleveland to show it to me, and I bet they will. So I'm going to say just for this, if you're giving me Giannis and Brooke Lopez and Drew Holiday in a playoff series, I'm taking them.
That defense is just talk about stacked, everybody. And they know each other.
They have that familiar chemistry. They can predict where each other.
So Milwaukee and then Boston, we've seen them. Boston, by the way, one of three teams in the last 25 years to finish in both top two offense and top two defense in the regular season.
The other two of the Warriors teams that won it all. So that's a big sign for the Boston defense.
And then on the other side, one of the hot take answers is the Lakers. And if you look at the Lakers since the trade deadline, they've been the best defense in the Western Conference, Big Cat.
And so when they won it all in the bubble, again, which I know you guys have a strong opinion about that. Doesn't count.
Doesn't count. Don't recall.
Doesn't count. Yeah.
So. COVID? Yeah.
What's that? COVID's over. The Lakers defense, and I'll throw, geez, it's tough to find a second one, which might be the takeaway.
It's Memphis, but they're banged up. Memphis built around Jaron Jackson, who is the human personal foul, but also the best rim protector when he's able to stay in games.
But the big thing with memphis's defense is without stephen jackson uh and without brandon clark we're both out uh jaron jackson has to stay out of foul trouble or else we're going to see dudes like xavier tillman or or kenneth loft and our favorite trying to stop lebron and ad so i don't know if i trust that one because of injury problems but the right answer is los angeles and the West when you say Lakers I know that the it like all the numbers say it but is it fair to say that LeBron might be the weak link on their defense because I maybe it's just he knows how to coast but there were times on on Tuesday night where he was just standing in the paint and his guy was standing out on the three-point line getting free threes like he just doesn't sometimes it feels like he takes quarters or possessions long stretches where he's like I'm not gonna play defense I'm gonna focus on offense and I'll worry about the defense later is it fair to say though that he would be the weak link uh defensively for them which is crazy it's it's it's the right question it reminds me of playing pickup and somebody talks into playing that fourth or fifth game and you just can't move anymore uh and that's what defense looks like i was shocked to see lebron's defense in that playing game um the greatest play of lebron's career remains a defensive play he could still guard almost anyone but it looks like he's coasting and that's your word and i i think that's fair to say i'm not saying he's the weak link but it is age with his mileage uh and what we saw uh this week in the playing game uh it's fair to question whether he's going to have that sort of defensive stamina that he's had in years past where he was in many cases the best defensive player in a series like this uh he's he's probably not anthony davis is great deodorant on the backside for that team he'll clean up a lot of the messes uh but yeah lebron as a defender probably not what he was in his peak it's interesting because you can spin that and say well if their weak link on defense is lebron james they're pretty fucking good defense well they put this put this. Yeah, they put this up.
PFT with they put up these incredible record at 19 and nine since the trade deadline. That's 68 percent winning percentage would be better than every team in the league, except Milwaukee and Boston over the course of the year.
But what a lot of people forget is they did that without LeBron most of the game. Yeah, that's to me the scariest thing.
It's like, OK, now you're LeBron the quote-unquote weekly link on defense to a team that was really good after the trade deadline so I think when people you know joke about ESPN loving the Lakers it dude LeBron's been to nine of the last 12 finals it's not like a hot take to say that they might have a run in him here uh he he his conference more than he doesn't since like 2010. So, you know, the top of the West is sketchy.
And if you're Durant, or if you're Kawhi, or if you're Steph, and certainly if you're LeBron James, you're not afraid of those top three seeds. So I think it's just a fascinating bracket in the Western Conference.
And LeBron James might be the most interesting person in the whole thing. Well, I heard two things.
I heard if their weak link is LeBron James on defense, that's pretty good for the Lakers. It is.
And I also heard that the Lakers might be better without LeBron James because they're so good since the trade deadline when he hasn't been playing. Actually, it was the 23 most important games in LeBron James' career in that by sitting out,

he made his team better.

He really pulled out all the stuff.

He went zero dark 30 on the court this time.

I totally forgot about that quote,

but it sort of rings true.

And maybe he sat out because he had to,

but the team got into shape and became good,

and now they have him.

I think those were among the most, at least in late later LeBron history, they're a scary team. They were not a scary team in January.
They were a bad team. They just started 2-10.
They were terrible. Now they're scary.
I just want him to be washed up. It's not fair.
He's fucking going to be 39. He can can't, he can't keep doing this.

Can't keep getting away with this.

I love it.

It to me, it reminds me of an old school Brady season.

I mean, old school, like six years ago when he was 39.

You're going to be, you're going to be sad when it's gone.

And it's not going to give you guys the content that you want when he's

gone.

And this could be literally one of the most important post seasons of his incredible incredible career if he's able to make noise and get this team over but you know he's the all-time leading scorer he's not even known as a scorer he's an incredible playmaker a great defender when he has the juice and Memphis is just the one thing I'm looking I'll bring it back to Jaron Jackson is if Leron and AD can do anything on offense, it's pressure the heck out of the rim. Jaron Jackson is the best rim protector in the league, and he's the most important person in that series, guys, because I said he's always in foul trouble.
Their defensive front court is thinned out because of the injuries. I mentioned to Jackson, Steven and Adams, I should say, and brandon clark but if they get jaron jackson in foul trouble with and lebron's getting whistles because you guys know this stat too that free throw differential stat i've heard you guys throw around that's a real thing they get whistles sometimes you can say it's conspiracy but others say it's just because they they pressure the rim and they're very difficult to guard either way jaron jackson's foul trouble is the thing to watch with that series if he's able to play 40 minutes a game i like memphis if he's in foul trouble i'll take the lakers so officially the kirk goldsbury uh notice is you're putting you're putting the grizzlies on notice i'm putting the grizzlies on upset notice pft okay in part because i love steven adams who is like the fullback of the nba he is a incredible rebounder and this team did two things memphis grizzlies aside from defense on offense they did two things very well with adams uh they were great in transition that's still there but they led the league in second chance points because he was the best offensive rebounder in the league without him they're struggling in their half-court offense because they don't have those second-chance points.
And I just, you know, I wish they were whole because they were so good. But with this thinned-out version, the Lakers have a real shot of upsetting them in this 7-2 matchup.
Okay, so my last question. We did you kind of dirty last year.
Actually, you did yourself dirty when you said the Nets were the best offense

you've ever seen.

It was maybe two years ago, and then they got bounced from the playoffs.

So I'll let you do a finals prediction,

and I'll let you do a backup finals prediction.

And then if either of them become true, we will post it.

Our word, we will post it and be like, look, Kirk is a genius.

He got it right.

He did it again. Holy holy shit so first finals prediction first finals prediction is a 2021 rematch bucks sons and i love both teams assuming health chris middleton i'm watching gosh got to get through the the first second third fourth rounds if they're going to win the title chris middleton is is a hugely important piece we've gone over that same obviously with durian and chris paul i think if either of those guys has to miss games

which is reasonable to expect unfortunately that son's prediction would fall apart pretty fast

uh there's just too many other teams out there that that that can beat them so my first son's

my first son's uh bucks and i'd take the bucks in that matchup okay and then your

I'm sorry. Um, there's just too many other teams out there that, that, that can beat them.
So my first sons, my first, the sons, uh, bucks, and I'd take the bucks in that matchup. Okay.
And then your second prediction that we will put out there. If sons bucks doesn't happen.
Um, my second prediction and I'll pause so you can edit it out. Yeah.
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Who do you have? Your rowback question. Who do you have in the finals?

Well, thanks for sending me all the rowback.

I'm going to go with a 2022 finals rematch of the Celtics and Warriors.

I mean, I just I think that this season has been a one big sort of mirage.

And these are the two best teams in the league. So I'm going to go Celtics and Warriors.
And this time, guys, I'm taking the Celtics. Do you want to give them a third shot? Yeah, do you want a third shot? Hey, Kurt, this is the Roback Plus question.
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You're going to love it. Who do you have in the NBA finals this year, and who do you think is going to win? Great question.
I'm glad you asked me, PFT. And without a doubt, I think this year's finals is going to be a battle of these MVP big men.
It's going to be the 76ers against the Nuggets. Centers.
Embiid, Jokic. Centers are back.
I have an article on ESPN talking about it. Centers are back, and I'm taking Joel Embiid and the Sixers to win their first title since 1983.
Wow. So ending a 40-year drought, you can just book it.
It's a solid NBA Finals prediction right there. They should bet the MVP on that series if it does does come down to Jokic going up against Embiid, it's like winner against the MVP.
I still don't understand why the MVP is awarded for the regular season. I get it.
It's a regular season award. But the one that really gets me going is there's this new clutch award that they're handing out for regular season.
I'm like, can at least hand hang on to that one yeah so we see ray allen yeah make a shot or kyrie irving hit a shot in game seven be like you know who was the most clutch player this season yeah the guy who won the finals with his three-point shot yeah uh yeah let's so but i agree with you if those guys maintain the finals hey it's great for centers uh and and b they should just play for the MVP trophy. Great idea.
So, Kirk, my last question. It's been a chaotic NBA season.
What's your chaotic NBA finals prediction? Oh, without a doubt, it would be the Cleveland Cavaliers playing. Are you ready for this, guys? Yeah.
The Memphis Grizzlies. Oh! The NBA's dream come true series cleveland versus i would actually love to see the calves versus the lakers in the finals how cool that would rule there are some potential great matchups i mean obviously celtics lakers is in play and they would be battling for the 19th banner because they're both hanging there at 18 and that would be a cool thing uh i think they're it's either 18 or 19 they're both sitting on the same number 17 or 18 for forgive me but that would be cool anytime you can get uh you know stephen curry kevin durant or lebron james in the final the leagues and the casual fans are thrilled um and you know i think the top of the east you can't go wrong with the top three or four teams in the East getting the finals.
I'm now rooting for Kings calves.

Oh,

I'm rooting for Kings.

I'm rooting for the next.

How awesome would that be if this year the Nets were great?

Yeah.

We mentioned every team in the NBA,

except for the Nets.

I actually think this year's Nets is the best offense in the history.

Perfect.

All right.

Well,

Kurt,

thank you so much.

I'm sure we'll talk to you as the playoffs progress, but we appreciate your time as always, man. Thank you guys for having me on.
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Okay. Let's wrap up the show.
Again, we have our hockey preview coming on Monday. If everyone would please tweet Ryan Whitney over the weekend saying, don't bail on PMT, that would help.
She'd be like, don't, don't be a scumbag. Don't bail on PMT.
Yeah. That ought to do it.
Yeah. Maybe make fun of him a little bit.
Yeah. So he is, yeah, we're going to do a hockey preview for Monday, which we're very excited about.
This is, I know that maybe I'm just, I love sports. I love all sports, but like, and I know I say this all the time, like this is the best time of year, but this starts to like when both first rounds are going and you have like seven playoff games every single night for that two-week stretch, it fucking rules.
Playoff hockey is the best. Hockey, playoff hockey, overtime, it's just different.
Yeah. Especially when it's like every night, because every night there will be two games back-to-back.
One of them is going to go to overtime, and you just can't replicate that hold on to your butt and are you a little nervous about the islanders i am quite unfortunate for memes because you know no i'm all in on this team this team is different they're the greatest hockey team i've ever watched in the regular season they're the greatest regular season team of all time they're going to dominate they're going to run through these playoffs This sounds like it would be a historic choke job if you guys didn't win the Stanley Cup.

Sounds like an 18-1 scenario.

Where's Memes?

Is he listening right now?

It's in the Islanders or the Panthers, by the way.

He's not?

It's a guaranteed PMC matchup.

If it is Islanders-Bruins, we'll have to have a one-minute recap for Memes after every

game.

But I just want to see what his thought is, if he thinks they could actually beat the Bruins. We'll know right away.
His face will tell us. It's the playoffs.
It's the playoffs. Anything could happen.
Hot goalie. Don't the Islanders have a really good goalie? Yeah, listen, if the Islanders goalie stands on his head, you're not afraid of him standing on his head, Hank? No.
I'd be. We got an all-time Twitter notes app from a one-seed the first round yeah it's true that with the lightning that's true what is it again memes we're talking about the hockey playoffs and what is it if the Panthers win tonight Panthers win they face the hurricanes okay and if they lose then you guys can get a point I'm not sure okay yeah they could get a point so they get one point you're you guys are facing the bruins yes do you think you can beat the bruins anything's possible but the bruins are very good all right well when when that series does happen we'll have you do a minute recap after every game.

You guys have a good goalie, though.

Goalie's a stud.

Right.

Goalie's a stud.

That's all you need.

Worst power play in the league.

Power play's important.

Yeah.

Goalie's a stud.

But it's the playoffs now.

It's different.

New season.

New season.

Playoff hockey's the best.

I really hope the Panthers lose. Oh, okay.
All right. So that even tells us even more that you got no shot against the Bruins.
No shot. Oh, no.
Okay. All right.
Thank you, Memes. I was hoping you would have a little bit of – he's realistic.
Memes is electric. What do you got, Memes? What last thing? She's not over.
Hopefully, the Panthers lose. Okay.
All right. So, yeah.
That's a no shot. That was a vote of no confidence right there in the Islanders beating the Bruins.
Memes definitely thinks in memes instead of words. Yeah.
If you were to ask him to give a meme of what he thinks about the first round, it would paint a thousand times more clear of a picture than what he just said. When we asked him, can the Islanders versus the Bruins thoughts, he was just doing the Michael Scott.
No. Oh, he's got another one.
He's got another one. And if the Panthers lose, the Islanders could potentially play the Rangers.
Oh. I would love that.
That would be. That would devastate you, though.
What? If you lost to the Rangers. Oh, yeah, that would suck.
Okay. Yeah, but if you eliminate them.
Yeah. If you beat them, that would rule.
Oh, it'd be the best. Can you describe your playoff opportunity, your chances in a meme? In a meme? What about Alonzo Mourning shaking his head no, and then, hmm, maybe.
Jim Carrey, Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, you're saying there's a chance.
Or the one where Jeff Daniels shits into the toilet in Dumb and Dumber. Yeah.
Yeah, there better chance of Panthers lose okay all right okay so you guys are gonna get steam steamrolled by the Bruins yes that's yes okay all right fire fest that was our hockey those are pre pre-hockey preview uh sometimes more potent than the actual yes uh Hank fire fest the week I think you guys can guess what it is. No.
It's that time of year. What? Taxes.
Oh. Yeah.
I thought it was going to be shorts for sure. Dude, you got to get on the fucking- No, shorts are back.
Firefest are- Yeah, it's never a firefest. You got to get yourself on the extension.
I've been living on the extension for like six years now. Because if you get on it once, then you just stay on it.
Then October 15th becomes your new tax day. Yeah.
It also depends on, like, I'm on the extension for a real reason, but I think you could probably just ask for an extension. Wait, what's your real reason? Swansea.
They released the whatever it is, K1s. The financials.
Way later, and so they put me on the extension. Hank, you probably don't even have to pay taxes,.
You probably got a tax guy. Well, I do.
And they've been asking me for documents and it's kind of like, they're like, if I don't send them what they need, then they can't do them. I've sent it to them today, but it's like, fuck.
Taxes are pretty much optional anyway. I just don't like them.
I'm not a fan. No, they suck.
They should just make it automatic. I guess it kind of is out of your paycheck.
Yeah. But that's the thing.
Then it's not. Yeah.
You remember when you went like seven years without paying your taxes? Yeah. No.
That's false. Well, no.
Seven years without filing your tax. Yeah, because he was going to get paid money back.
There was one year, hypothetically, as a bit. You forgot? But I totally did.
Was that a forgetful thing? If the IRS is listening. Was that a forgetful thing? We have to have some AWLs in the IRS.
They have to be listening to this right now. Help us out.
Let us know what we can do. If they're looking, they're going to check the books, and it's going to be a plus next to my name.
oh, we actually owe him. Right.
That's why I was making no money, and I would get money back on my taxes. Yeah.
But I did them. That's a joke.
You, like, paid extra money to the government. They owe you money.
Right. They do.
Yeah. Let's do something about it.
Bill, you know any buildings we could approach to talk about this? Oh, yeah. A couple.
couple there's one there's a couple uh but yeah just fuck taxes forever yeah all right agreed but we pay him on this show same you know i'm saying this show as a show we pay them right we don't like them but we pay them because we're adults yes max is shaking his head that makes me think he's not paying his taxes. You're not paying your

taxes? No, I am. I just don't like paying

them. Have you ever not paid them?

No, I pay them every time, but

I don't. I always

whatever. Okay,

good answer. It's a bad

week. There's a lot of people listening to me like, fuck.

My taxes were easy this year, which means

that they sucked.

Because they took all the money. I hadn't even thought about filing these taxes yet.
Well, we have good news. Yeah, it's extension until Monday at least, right? Yeah, so I feel like tax has been on a weekend for the last several years.
Yeah, been a hot streak. All you have to do is just be like, hey, can I have an extension? And then they say yes.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then you don't have to worry about it for six months.
Yeah. But then that's just tougher that is then you have to do go through the process of filing the extension and then you may as well just do your taxes if you're going to that good point good point good point good point all right well hank good luck to you on your taxes hopefully you pay him this year did any of you guys do any loss harvesting? Don't know what that means.
What's that a euphemism for?

Never mind.

All this shit confuses the fuck out of me.

Max did.

Yeah.

Max did a lot of loss harvesting.

Ha ha ha.

Your losses.

Oh, man.

Hank had the biggest shit eating grin on his face.

He didn't think that was funny.

He was just like, nice. Yeah.
Yeah, you harvest so many losses, Max. You could probably deduct the Super Bowl ticket.
Yeah. Yeah.
That would be great. No, not you.
Not you. What do you mean? I paid for the Super Bowl ticket.
You did. But then I paid for futures that didn't hit, and you could have picked UConn.
Okay.

You could have.

I know that I could have, but I didn't, and Max Homo also sucks.

Hey.

Hey.

Come on.

I didn't mean that.

I didn't mean that.

I didn't mean that.

Come on.

I'm going to cut that part.

Come on.

No, don't cut that part.

Leave it in because we need to, you know.

How could you?

No, no.

I'll keep it in, but I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean it. Used to be such a good boy.
Come on. All right, PFT.
Firefest of the week is Firefest. Oh, Firefest is back.
Billy McFarland has announced Firefest 2, and he's looking for a select group of influencers to invite to Firefest 2. So he learned his lesson from doing time with a situation in jail.
Yep. And he learned a valuable lesson, and he's just going to do Fyre Fest again.
That's what he learned is he didn't do it as good the first time, didn't make as big promises as he could have the first time. So he's running back this summer.
So I would like to be invited to Fyre Fest 2. This summer? Is it not this summer? I don't know.
That seems like it's around the corner. I would like to be invited to Firefest 2.
This summer? Is it not this summer? I don't know. That seems like it's around the corner.
I would like to be invited to Firefest 2. Invite us to Firefest 2? I have FOMO that I didn't go to Firefest 1.
I don't think we should give that guy publicity. Yeah, you're right.
It's not platforming. Let's not do that.
Would hate to have a liar named Billy on this show. I have another fire fastest that I'm fat.

No, you're not. So there's that picture that came out or some screenshots of the video of the Chevy ad that we did over the course of Super Bowl week.

You look strong.

I look strong.

I look powerful.

I look like I have a dad bod minus the kids.

And I just want to say.

It's like one of those putty things that you squeeze.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's all right.

We got it. we got the picture

Hank's a chubby chaser now

if you're fat that means he's got a type

yep it's true

podcasts should just all get super fat

it'd be awesome

but I do have an explanation for it

there's a perfectly good explanation for why I was fat

because I told you

what is it Hank?

it was a video

cut your own mic off and shut the fuck up

I'm fat. Okay.
Because I told you what. What is it? It was a video.
Okay. In the screenshots.
Cut your own mic off and shut the fuck up. Bribery back on.
I told this story on the show, but I did the cool sculpting thing because I've got one small layer of fat that was around the very small of my belly underneath my belly button. So they cool sculpted me and they melted away the fat.
What they didn't tell me at the time, well, maybe they did. I chose to ignore is that your stomach swells up big time after you do that.
So that was like two weeks, maybe like a week after I got the cool sculpting gun done. And I just, I look fat as fuck.
And what about your face? Did they sculpt your face? They didn't sculpt my face. My face looked not as it It looked normal fat.
Okay. It wasn't like over the top fat.
I don't think you're fat. Thank you, Big Cat.
Yeah. I appreciate it.
I do not think you're fat. So let the record show I'm not fat.
I think you're strong, powerful, can lift many things over your head. I can probably run a marathon.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I'm not fat.
I want the record to show that I'm not fat despite the fake news that that Hank puts out. Do you just poop out all that fat that gets frozen off? Where does it go? You piss it out, so it goes into your lymphatic system, and then you have to chug a bunch of water, and then you just piss it out.
Yeah. Science.
All right, my fire fest is I was challenged to run a mile this week. I did it.
People were saying I couldn't do it under 10 minutes. I did it 724.
I'll say 740 because there was some talk that the track might not have been as long as we thought. Either way, it's awoken a beast in me that I'm going to try to get back fully into shape and I'm going to try to do the 1,000-pound club, Billy.
Oh. And I'm going to get injured.
I'm going to get injured. There's no way i don't get injured but i want to try what is that you lift a thousand pounds in one session yeah hex bar or straight uh but yeah hex bar is healthier oh the the one that's on the sides yeah yeah all right so i'll do that yeah hex bar it's it's deadlift squat bench thousand pounds you easily could get there i have a bad back and I'm 38 years old and I'm out of shape.
Hex bar, it's deadlift, squat, bench, 1,000 pounds. You easily could get there.
I have a bad back, and I'm 38 years old, and I'm out of shape. Hex bar, hex bar.
You should never deadlift over the age of 35. Could you do 1,000-pound club today, Billy? Probably not.
I actually think I might be able to. What do you squat? I'm still, like, I probably could get, like, 375.
Oh, then you could. Yeah.
Cause it's really, if you can squat and bench like, like combined 550, you should be able to do it. I think I was around at my max, like 1300.
Sick. That was back when I was like putting 500 pounds on my back.
Either way, I'm going to challenge myself and I'm going to get hurt and that's going to suck. It's definitely going to lead to a back.
Yeah, we're just clipped. I hope it doesn't.
But I'm warning you as a friend.

No, it's not offense.

What you're saying is true.

You're going to be able to bench.

Correct.

250.

You're going to be able to squat 300.

And you're going to try to do the deadlift.

And that's going to fuck you up.

So I'm going to try.

It's probably going to take like a year.

No, I think we can get you there in three months.

I'm 38 and out of shape.

Yeah, but there's a lot of resources. No, I'm not doing it all natural.
No, no. Are you going to let can get you there in three months.
I'm 38 and out of shape, dude. Yeah, but there's a lot of resources.

No, I'm not doing it all natural.

No, no.

Are you going to let Billy inject you with anything?

No.

It's either all natural or can't do it.

What about supplements?

I've thought about letting Billy inject me with B12.

He was giving me the pitch the other day.

L-carnitine, B12, creatine.

Tons of stuff we can give you that will get you going. It sounds good in the moment when he suggests that he can inject you.
You can put on the mask. Once you reach the point where Billy is sticking a hypodermic needle into your arm and then injecting liquid into it and you don't know what it is, that's a very scary moment.
That's a big time, like, I'm wondering how I got here in my life moment. Hey, did you get surgery on your elbow i did not huh here's what i'm gonna do if i can't do it i'm just gonna say i can't do it i'm not gonna push myself to the absolute limit well you could dirty bulk and like you may be 400 pounds i think i'm always doing a thousand pounds i think i'm oh i think i've never not been dirty book p cat here's a strategy for you you could just you could eat a lot lot.
Yeah, you could eat a lot of snacks. Yeah.
What do you think about that? Have you ever tried doing that? Like you could get to like maybe donuts. Have you ever tried snacking a lot? Yeah.
Maybe Chinese food every Sunday night. Strong man.
Cheetos. I know.
I know. I know.
I know. But higher protein.
Yeah. All right.
We'll see. And then my other fire fest is my son's doing this new thing where he just hits me and then he's like, you know, I love you so much.
And then so I feel like I'm living with like an abusive boyfriend. That's like Hasboula and his cat.
Yeah. No, he literally would like, it's not like he's hitting me hard.
He'll like slap me on the leg and he'll just be like, Dada, you know, I love you. And I'm like, Jesus Christ.
He's like my pimp. This guy's being dudes.
Yeah. he's just walking around like, no one makes me feel the way you feel.
I have to hurt you. You know I'm crazy about you.
That's how I feel every day. Why did you make me do this to you? Yeah, so it's a nice little face.
Billy. First Fyre Fest is that it's currently that time of year where you don't know whether to put the whole AC unit in yet, but it's really hot.
But you're too lazy to put it in yet.

And it's like, is it really summer yet?

So you're just like sweating through the night.

Yeah, this is – I do love this time of year.

Like I was talking to someone a couple days ago.

I don't know how people live.

I know that like living in Florida is awesome.

Living in LA is awesome.

Shut up, Hank.

The seasons are awesome.

Those first few days of spring make you feel something that that is so different than if every day was just beautiful. Yeah.
And I know people are like, oh, this is just your way of coping with winter. Spring, those first 50, 60 degree days are the best.
Sundress season. Yeah.
Big time. What, Billy? Seasonal aggression.
Yeah, seasonal aggression disorder. Billy gets angrier when he gets hot outside.rier when it gets angry just get like hyper there is something to that because my first summer in new york i was like you know i was moving from austin so i thought i was like immune to the sun up here because i just come from texas so i was like you know what i don't need an ac unit in my apartment i'm just gonna ride it out it can't be that hot you get so mad when you're hot all day.
Yes. It does make you pissed off at the world.
So I would. And New York heat is different as well.
I mean, it's not like Texas heat, but New York heat when it gets really hot and it all just stays on the concrete and it's like hot. Well, like nine o'clock.
Yes. The hot smell.
But the heat at like nine o'clock when it's like, the sun's down. Why the fuck is it still so hot?

Yeah.

Also, with the ACs getting installed, it's mystery water season.

When you're walking down the street and you just get hit on the face with mystery water from above,

that's the beauty of New York, baby.

Best city in the world.

Yeah, I've actually, on a hot streak, I'm not getting hit with mystery water

because I don't go to Starbucks anymore.

Go buy Stella Blue Coffee.

We're taking down the big corporations.

There's that mystery water under that one. Yeah.
That hits you all the time. I used to get just douched.
Yeah. That's actually a great sales pitch.
Do you want to avoid mystery water? Yeah. Then buy Stella Blue Coffee.
So, Billy, are you putting it in or not? Why wouldn't you just put it in? No, I'm now in the fan. I just turned the fan on.
So it's on, but it's in. You put it in already.
What temperature are you guys sleeping? Well, I just like it cold as hell. Yeah, right.
I go like 65. Well, because I kind of misplaced my AC unit.
Okay, so that's a different fire fest. That would be the fire fest.
I put it somewhere and now I can't find it. So that is the fire fest.
Your fire fest is you can't decide whether or not you want to look for your AC unit. Yeah, I was looking for it, but it's been a busy week.
So you were going to put it in. Yeah.
So that's not the fire fest. It is time to put it in.
Well, I don't know if it's going to get cold again. I think it's time to put it in if you can find it.
Yeah. Anyone who knows where their AC is, put it in.
Yeah. I just got the fan going.
You know, the fan's going to be going until like october so you're just giving up on ac this summer i might okay you know what this is this is billy making a pre-excuse yeah for something for basically everything yeah i think i was really yeah i was really hot just being sweaty so hot uh okay other fire fest i have a black guy from playing basketball yeah yeah you do yeah so what happened i heard you got to had to get separated with someone? that's not what happened that's not what happened at all no i just got an elbow to the face rebounding but did you get separated no let me just tell you something billy i will say this the kid was fucking crying because billy threw him to the ground like a like a bag of bones which he was and there was no foul. I didn't throw him.
No foul, no harm.

The kid hooked my arm, and he hooked it.

Hook and hold.

That's a technical free throw.

He was giving me this.

Yeah, that's a technical free throw.

So I threw my arm down, and he got thrown,

and then he started bitching about it.

And I was just like, then I started yelling at him,

if you didn't hook my arm, you wouldn't be on the floor.

All right, so I'm going to rule this on your side.

100%.

No foul, no harm. Did they blow the whistle no this other guy who hopefully is listening there's definitely a point he's also wearing a a long sleeve white turtleneck let's not shit on people we play pickup no but there's definitely a point in your life he was he was being aggressive for no reason where you have to realize you're playing you're playing like intramurals or whatever have fun don take it that seriously.
Because you don't want to be the adult that gets in an adult fight at a softball field or basketball court. The only other thing I'll say, not to, I guess, Billy's worried about his feelings.
He was being aggressive. And then at the end of the game, we were down by, like, five or six.
We had to foul. It was like we were down five or six with a minute left.
We fouled him. He was like, chill out chill out i was like we were you guys lose we lost shit we were down by 27 and we we brought it back within five well yeah they weren't trying as hard because they're up 27 we never stopped the fight no yeah that's really i to tell you the truth i i don't think i want you on the show anymore if you ever reach a point where you don't get involved in pickup basketball fights.
I do take pickup. That's very on brand.
I go hard in pain. You're fired.
This is my second black eye. You're fired.
I guess it is a little longer than a year without getting into a fight on some sort of playground. You're fucking out.
It is different because this job, you can just show up with a black eye. I remember vividly being in arguments in intramurals when I was working in a real job and being like, I don't want to get punched in the face and show up to work with the black guy because that's a whole no i didn't get punched in the face this is totally unrelated to the to that incident oh so you got punched in the face in a difference no i that was actually nick mulcahy awesome dude we were talking in a timeout and we were getting beat pretty bad like we gotta go hard in the paint like get more offensive rebounds yeah get some more And we both got pumped up.
And then we both went for an offensive rebound, and I caught an elbow. Friendly fire.
Oh, friendly fire. But we were, like, you know, we were going hard.
Okay. But, yeah, I just, you know, shout out that guy.
He's actually – he was pretty wet. No, no, no, no, no, no.
What are you doing? I don't want this guy – I don't want people to be playing us and pick up and be like, oh, shit, like, I don't want to end up on part of my take. I think that's the thing.
No one knows who

he is. I know, whatever.

No one should be judged for their

actions when their heart rate's over 150

beats per minute. I agree with that.
That's what I believe.

I agree with that. Like, you know, because, you know,

we're all human. That could get

you into some trouble. There's definitely some

situations that someone could get their heart rate that

fast. I'm pretty sure most times people commit

murder, their heart rate is about 150 beats per minute. Some very violent crimes that are committed at a heart rate that fast.
I'm pretty sure most times people commit murder. Their heart rate is about 150 beats per minute.

Some very violent crimes that are committed at a heart rate over 150.

Yeah.

It makes you sound guilty.

Anybody that's on meth, like if you don't want to get arrested, just do a line of cocaine.

Officer.

Officer.

Look at my Apple watch.

No, fuck this dude, Billy.

When your heart rate's high. Fuck this dude.
You know, we made up after the game. It's fine.
You kiss? Yeah, we kiss. Okay, nice.
Jake, finish us off. First up, self-correction.
The Panthers have to win tonight. A point doesn't do it.
You'll still get tweets about that. Yeah, I know.
And then I'll be like, did you listen to the full podcast? A lot of people do that. They don't listen to the full podcast yeah we're gonna implement a new system going forward in the in the in the fall where we do corrections at the end and people should save their tweets we don't want to kill any golfer's dads on this show yeah so we're gonna have to have well to be fair no one corrected you on that oh no no one did it's a i mean it's a hard thing to correct oh i thought you meant online yeah before we we stopped recording it's a hard thing to call out and be like no pft he's alive and then you get like then you extend the conversation about a maybe not dead dad yep yeah um and then my fire fest is he's alive by the way he is very much alive uh he's he's the best alive person ever he is the most alive guy right now in him in the world yes um my hometown of fort lauderdale is underwater did you guys hear about this oh yeah that was bad i was stranded cars that was bad it was not great so yeah hopefully credit to me for not making a joke before i found out that jake was being serious about it yeah yeah i was plenty of room to sorry i know that one yeah well it'll be okay it'll be okay oh trying to think of a non-offensive anywhere um well no you know what it is bullshit because everyone has to say like oh thoughts and prayers but then all the florida people make fun of us for dealing with winter yeah i'm still that's not right that's not right they live in the flood plain yeah that's not right do that.
They do Florida people like, oh, how was shoveling snow this winter? Can I say the same thing when the whole town floods? Am I allowed to? I didn't do the research on if anyone got hurt or anything. So I think that's like the first benchmark.
Like if everyone's safe, I feel like there's a little more of a leash. What about three deaths? No.
Okay. I asked.
That was just a question I was asking. Zero or one.
Zero or one. Oh, one.
No, I'm not like zero. You have a little more leeway if there's one or above.
Got it. What if it's their fault? Yeah.
What if someone took a big dump and they were flooded and it flooded Fort Lauderdale? What if it's Casey Anthony and she drowned? Yeah. What if it's baby Hitler? Swimming in a pool.
Good point. And more water comes up.
So there's some exceptions. Babies can float.
Yeah. Okay.
But what if the flood comes over the pool? Yeah. Then I'd say, I hope that this flood killed baby Hitler.
Yeah. And no one else.
And no one else. But we do hope people are okay.
Yes. That was pretty crazy.
I saw Jeff Darlington tweeted, our friend Jeff Darlington tweeted a video of just water just washing through this person's house.

That's awful.

Yeah.

Unless Baby Hitler's there.

Yeah.

Yeah, Baby Hitler was in that basement.

Good.

Happy the water went there.

Okay.

Hank, have you ever gotten this?

What?

The lottery ball.

No.

Are we going to make you those golf balls with lottery balls on them?

Taylor made it.

Didn't respond.

Oh, man.

How are you feeling?

I feel like you've given up.

Have you given up?

No.

You seem really down about this.

Never surrender.

Very down about it.

You're very down about this right now.

No, I'm up.

If it's up, then it's stuck.

All right.

Numbers. 6, I'm up.
If it's up, then it's stuck. All right.
Numbers.

6-9.

17.

18.

73.

Whoa, where'd that come from?

I asked ChapGPT.

All right.

No, that doesn't count.

I'll go with 20.

I'm going to go with 24.

What did you guess, Hank?

17?

44.

44.

Mike Allstott.

Damn.

Low key, there's a meteorite

that crashed in Maine. If you have any leads

I'm going to go It's Thursday It's 440 on a Thursday I'm sorry. Yeah, I might go look for it.
Go. Okay, go.
Right now, leave. Go.
I mean, it's the weekend.

Yeah, yeah, go.

I'm going to start planning.

It's Thursday.

It's 440 on a Thursday.

Love you guys.

Oh, also, bacteria may have come from a meteorite, and life on Earth may be from a meteorite.

This doesn't count, I swear.

People have been asking for a full list, so I think I'm going to tweet out a link to the full list of numbers.

Oh, perfect.

And reply to... Oh, that's too bad.

You're already on your weekend.

And we're from home on Friday. Take me on Take care.
Thank you. Take me out Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Take on me. Take on me.
Hey! I'll make you Take on me Take on me Take on me Take on me Oh, oh, oh, oh, Take my dream. Take my dream.