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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we've got a twofer for the people. We have Dan Hurley, coach of of the Yukon Huskies, in studio, post-national championship.

Speaker 1 He also gives Max the business, basically calls him a loser to his face because he is. We have Kirk Goldsbury on to talk about NBA playoffs, a little preview.
Don't worry, everyone.

Speaker 1 We have our hockey preview coming on Monday with Ryan Whitney.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about some play-in games. We're going to do Firefest.
What does that face, Hank? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Big promise. You never know what's going to happen.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Whitney could definitely be like, oh, I had to do, you know, I had a dinner and then I had a stream and then I had a dinner and I'm done. So hopefully.

Speaker 3 Don't forget golf.

Speaker 1 He might also have to golf. That's true.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Friday, April 14th.
And PFT, for the, I don't know, this is probably like the sixth or seventh time. The floor is yours.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, we've talked about Dan Snyder a lot on the show and about the sale. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I actually don't know if I have that much to add besides what I've already said over the course of the last year. What happened? What changed?

Speaker 1 You're selling shirts. Tell the people what happened.

Speaker 1 I'm excited. Don't

Speaker 3 I'm wearing a shirt right now that says Buy Dan, and it's Major Tutty throwing Dan Snyder out of his stupid fucking face.

Speaker 1 Just because you got excited the other six or seven times, doesn't mean you can't get more excited this time. Well, okay,

Speaker 3 so I'm what did change, Hank?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 3 News came out this morning that I guess Sportico reported it according to a source close to the sale.

Speaker 3 Josh Harris, the owner of Max's 76ers and the New Jersey Devils, is actually going to purchase the team for $6 billion. Congrats to Dan Snyder for making $5.2 billion being a shit.

Speaker 1 Shit investment.

Speaker 3 Piece of shit.

Speaker 3 So say what you want about him, but he made a fuckload of money. I hope he goes off, fucks off to England and dies.
But today it was announced that Josh Harris, excuse me, he dies in jail.

Speaker 3 First he gets arrested, then he dies. Josh Harris.

Speaker 1 It's a British prison where they don't have dentists.

Speaker 3 No, absolutely not. The worst dentists on earth.
Well, they don't have dentists outside of jail either in Britain. Yeah, that's true.
So I hope that he dies with shitty teeth and a gum infection. And

Speaker 3 I think it's a done deal from everything that I've heard so far. There's a competing bid allegedly from Stephen A.,

Speaker 3 the Canadian billionaire, but it's Josh Harris. It was announced today.
It's Josh Harris. He's going to take over the team.
So I'm very happy.

Speaker 3 But there's a small part of me, very small part of me, that's like the dog that caught the car. It's like, now that the bad man's gone,

Speaker 3 what am I going to have to blame all my failures on as a sportsman?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't complain about the Commanders for at least five years-ish.

Speaker 1 So Hank is nodding along. Um, I feel like you're you're doing, are we, what happens when it officially becomes official? No, this is when does it officially become official? No, I'll talk for Hank.

Speaker 1 We're gonna get to the season.

Speaker 1 Like, we're gonna do this again in how long? Listen, I didn't, I didn't even bring it up, okay? So I you're wearing the shirts, you're wearing the shirts. I can't believe this is my life tweet.

Speaker 3 They're great shirts, by the way. Go check out the shirt.
They are great shirts.

Speaker 1 I was trying to be respectful. You were, I saw you doing videos and stuff in the hallway.
I was like, it's another big day.

Speaker 3 I didn't do people just came up to me with a camera, so they asked me what I thought. I told them, I've already celebrated Dan being gone.
He's gone. It's happening.

Speaker 3 Now, the only major hurdle that we have to clear is the owner's vote, which is going to take place in May. But he's already an owner kind of of an NFL team.
He's a part owner of the Steelers.

Speaker 3 They're going to vote him in. Okay.
This is a done deal, and it's going to happen, and everything's going to be good. And maybe we'll get more than two playoff wins in the next 25 years.

Speaker 3 What's up, Billy? Is it really a done deal?

Speaker 5 Have they secured the funding to buy the team?

Speaker 3 Yes, Josh Harris's funding was secured.

Speaker 1 It's secured.

Speaker 1 If this doesn't go through, I'm going to kill myself. Billy, money is expensive right now.
Billy,

Speaker 3 I am buying a house right now, so I'm familiar with how much money is expensive. I'm pretty sure Josh Harris is good for it.
How expensive is money?

Speaker 5 Money's like 7% expensive.

Speaker 1 Okay, maybe 20%. If you buy it for 30%, if you'd buy $1,000, you'd have to

Speaker 1 pay

Speaker 1 $10.70,000.

Speaker 1 What? You said 7%.

Speaker 5 Yeah, $10.70. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's a done deal. Money's expensive.
Listen, it's a done deal.

Speaker 1 We're moving forward. Congrats.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Hank. I'm looking forward to being able to root with my entire heart and soul for a team because it's been a big stain on, you know, it's been the back of your mind.

Speaker 3 Anytime the team's good, you're like, I love this team. I love watching them every Sunday.

Speaker 3 But then at the end of the day, you know that something's about to get fucked up worse than it was fucked up ever before.

Speaker 3 So we're going to start playing the parade. We're going to have a parade in D.C.
Okay, nice. I'm very excited about it.

Speaker 3 So I'm not as pumped and over the top as I have been in the past because, like you said, we have talked about this like five times.

Speaker 1 Well, Snyder has basically

Speaker 1 teased it so many times that it's like it kind of robbed you of the it almost would have been better if he just all of a sudden overnight just was selling the team.

Speaker 1 They'd be like the greatest celebration ever. It's been this long-drawn celebration.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, the big one was back in, I think it was November when the news first broke. At that point, then it was like, okay, that's the big celebration that I've got.

Speaker 3 I'm a little bit more subdued, but I'm still fucking pumped that this guy's going to be.

Speaker 1 I remain happy for you. Thank you.
Hank, I can't say the same.

Speaker 3 No, he's not. Hank's happy.

Speaker 1 I've remained happy the whole time.

Speaker 3 All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for NFL because you have awoken a sleeping giant in Washington, D.C. Yes.

Speaker 1 The shirts are great. They are great.
You're happy for him?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Not really.

Speaker 1 I just, you can only be happy for someone so many times. You know what? You know what?

Speaker 1 Someone gets pregnant and you're like, congratulations, but then it's not like, hey, I'm pregnant again three months later and three months later. It's like, you get one congratulations.

Speaker 1 You know what, Hank?

Speaker 3 Because Josh Harris is also the Sixers owner, I have no choice but to root with Max for the Sixers against the Celtics in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 So he's not even going to be the owner by that point. No, he's not

Speaker 1 the Sixer. Oh, you're of the

Speaker 3 I'm such a Josh Harris fan right now that he could do anything. He's owner and waiting.
Yeah, owner in waiting. I like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So just why don't you check yourself?

Speaker 3 All right, let's check yourself. I'm excited to get a good rivalry going with Hank.
It's been a while.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's always, we're always.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just

Speaker 1 like, guys, I'm just excited

Speaker 3 at all times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, congratulations again.
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Speaker 1 What else do we want to talk about? The little play-in game? Yeah. So D.R.
DeRosen stole

Speaker 1 the story of the play-in game on Wednesday night. She single-handedly stopped the Toronto Raptors.

Speaker 1 My Bulls are advancing to Friday night, which is always fun when you win a play-in game and then you get to go to play another play-in game. But there was,

Speaker 1 so for people who didn't watch the game, the Bulls were down pretty much the entire game.

Speaker 1 Diar DeRosen's, DeMar DeRosen's like eight-year-old daughter, she was sitting underneath the, what in the first half was the Chicago Bulls hoop.

Speaker 1 In the second half, obviously, the Raptors were shooting on it. She was screaming so loud before every free throw that the Raptors took in a dead silent arena.

Speaker 1 The Raptors went 18 for 36 from free throw, from the free throw line, ended up losing the game by, what, four?

Speaker 1 It was, she won that game for the Bulls. I mean, Zach Levine was also fantastic, which is nice to see him step up in that moment.
But D.R. DeRosan, statue for her.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she's great. She's way better than Riley Curry.
Yes. We're ranking NBA daughters.
I got her 1A in my daughter draft. I think think that

Speaker 3 she was great, but maybe the best part of the night was the time that she didn't scream at the end.

Speaker 3 There were three foul shots at the end, right? Yes.

Speaker 1 Siakam,

Speaker 1 which was kind of a bullshit call anyway, but yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so Siakam got to the line, and then she faked out. She didn't scream.
Was it the second one? Yeah. That she didn't scream on, and everybody was waiting for her to yell.
Now,

Speaker 3 I think she did a great job. Absolutely build the statue.
Great daughter.

Speaker 3 However, I'm a little bit upset at DeMar DeRosan because he's not going to let her come to the game on Friday because it's a school day. Sports is way more important than school if you're a kid.

Speaker 1 It's also like she's sixth man of the year.

Speaker 1 She should be for every single all I want now because

Speaker 1 I'm a realist about the Bulls. They're not very good.

Speaker 1 They have a couple good players, but as a collective, they're not very good. But could you imagine her in the first round against the Bucs and Giannis in his 15-second free?

Speaker 1 Like, she might lose her voice, but

Speaker 1 she'd go toe-to-toe with him.

Speaker 3 That would would be her legacy game yeah trying to try to scream for 15 seconds non-stop yeah uh yeah it's it's it was very cool to see her actually like get into the heads of opponents she totally did here's the problem there's going to be some copycats yeah and it's not going to be the same she has like a unique frequency in her voice well it's that makes people freak out it's not only that it's such a unique situation because one she's the daughter of demar de rosin two she grew up in toronto where demar played the majority of his career so she knows everyone in that arena.

Speaker 1 And three, like, there is

Speaker 1 the NBA now, you can get kicked out for anything. Kyrie and Russell Westbrook have taught us that.
I don't think you can kick out a player's daughter.

Speaker 1 She is, like, if a guy is just sitting there doing that, I think that a player probably complains and they get kicked out or have to shut them up.

Speaker 1 I think she's a secret weapon that no other team can employ.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the rest of the fans couldn't go down and say shit to her because she's a little girl.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And she obviously knows everyone in Toronto. Like, that was the other part is the whole entire, you know, the building staff, the security, they probably know her personally.

Speaker 1 So it was the perfect storm for Diar DeRosan to completely stop the Toronto Raptors.

Speaker 3 I would love to see what would happen with this in Philly. Do you think that Philly fans would

Speaker 1 start to throw in?

Speaker 1 A Max look-alike would punch her in the face.

Speaker 3 They'd start to throw hot dogs at her. Somebody would go down there and throw up on her?

Speaker 1 Yeah. A Max lookalike would

Speaker 1 start beating up a little girl.

Speaker 1 This is gross.

Speaker 3 This is disgusting.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, just accept it. I think that Philly should be proud of that.
For punching little girls?

Speaker 1 You don't think a lot of guys would be like,

Speaker 1 we won that game? I would be pissed. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I definitely wouldn't punch her, but I would be mad.

Speaker 3 Definitely not.

Speaker 1 But that's the beauty of it. You can't get mad at

Speaker 1 a daughter of a player, and like, she needs to be, yeah, fuck school.

Speaker 1 Get her to Miami.

Speaker 3 It's way more important. Get her to Miami.
She's eight years old. What do you learn in eighth grade anyways? Do you remember?

Speaker 1 That's not eighth grade. Oh, eight years old.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's third grade.

Speaker 3 Third grade.

Speaker 1 She's very precocious.

Speaker 4 You probably are graduating basic addition and subtraction, moving on to like basic multiplication, I would guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're writing like five-letter words, maybe. States and capitals.
Yeah, that's a war zone. Oh, mystery powders.

Speaker 3 You're doing like science for the first time.

Speaker 1 Well, what better way to learn states and capitals than go to the capital of Florida, Miami?

Speaker 3 Good point. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You could get a better education. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, come on, let's go. Education worked for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was awesome, though. The Bulls,

Speaker 1 and Pat Bev, maybe he is. It's between him and Trae Young.
Trae Young's 3-0 in play-in games, so this is a legacy game for Pat Bev. Pat Bev was winning.
He'd be 3-0 if he wins.

Speaker 3 Pat Bev always just manages to show up at the end of every play-in game and do something fucking crazy. Just insane.
He's so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 And Caruso was awesome, too. And it was nice.
It was nice seeing Zach Levine, like, because...

Speaker 1 Hank doesn't really know this.

Speaker 1 Max, you kind of, well, you know this because of Ben Simmons, but like having a player that you pay a lot of money to that you want to step up in the big moments when they don't, it gets very frustrating.

Speaker 1 When they do, it's like, oh, that was nice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, or maybe at least have the player that you pay a bunch of money to step on the court during the game. Yeah, that's

Speaker 3 take a shot. Because Zion was in pregame warm-ups.
Zion Williamson, he's out because he's not feeling like Zion yet. He's healthy, but he's not feeling 100%.

Speaker 3 He was dunking. He was doing like

Speaker 3 windmill dunks in pregame. He did look a little bit on the bigger side, but that's just Zion.

Speaker 1 That's Zion being Zion. This would drive me in fucking sane.

Speaker 3 Whose idea was it to let Zion participate in the pregame dunk line?

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I would be so furious if I were a Pelican fan watching that and then watching my team lose to the young. Do you know the Thunder are the second youngest team in NBA history? Yeah.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 The Thunder are what, like, you know how we were saying on Wednesday the playing game is kind of stupid because these teams won't go anywhere, but you can switch it if it's a young team.

Speaker 1 The Thunder, like, that's reps.

Speaker 1 they're building a winning culture because it was amazing to see josh giddy and shea gilgis and and uh lou dort who are all under 24 years old like dominate that game and make big shot after big shot and zion is just sitting on the bench doing dunks pre-game not not playing yeah pitt who made the nca tournament has an average starting lineup age older than the thunder that's crazy yeah they are they are very very fun and very young and like if you it like this is the type like they shouldn't even be in in this spot, and they are, and their number, and their lottery pick last year isn't playing.

Speaker 3 I think just getting to the playoff, if you play in a playoff series, if you're the Thunder, that's good experience. I want to see it.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, they're getting homegrown back, and they have probably a high first-rounder, right?

Speaker 1 They have like a million,

Speaker 3 like they're picking like 11 or 12 in the draft, and then they have four first-round picks in 2024. It's crazy, so they've got assets, all right.

Speaker 1 So, the thunder, and I think it goes on for the future, all right? So, they have the Clippers pick this year, their own pick this year,

Speaker 1 the Wizards second rounder. I won't do second rounders.
Next year, they have their own Utahs, Clippers, Houstons. So they have

Speaker 1 four first rounders.

Speaker 1 And then in 2025, they have their own Houston or the Clippers, Miamis, Philadelphias.

Speaker 1 Every year

Speaker 1 they have like five picks in the first round. They're a fun team.
They are what the Pelicans thought they were going to be.

Speaker 1 Because the pelicans with zion and brandon ingram like herb jones and it was going to be like oh this young up-and-coming team in the west the thunder kind of stole their their thunder they did and i there were some people out there that were saying that our our good friend mincy uh being stuck up in the nosebleeds of this section if mincey had been down beneath the basket like diar de rosen i think this game goes a whole lot differently yeah i'd agree i'd agree so it was um that was a fun game that was an exciting game that was a play i think i'm just going to start grading every play-in game i'm going to make a a judgment on the play-in tournament as a whole just based on game-to-game.

Speaker 1 Okay, so like on Tuesday night, it was the worst idea that David or Adam Silver ever. I almost called him David Silver.
Adam Silver ever came up with. On Wednesday night, it's pure genius.

Speaker 1 The league is back. Yeah.
So Friday will decide.

Speaker 1 The future of the play-in tournament, according to myself, is all going to come down to Friday night.

Speaker 3 It's a big, big night. Let's go, Wolves.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I mean, look at

Speaker 1 her fun.

Speaker 4 Rap sheet just tweeted about the sale.

Speaker 1 Oh. Okay.

Speaker 4 They reached the agreement.

Speaker 1 Wait, but is that different than?

Speaker 4 That was one minute ago.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is me being subdued. Yes, Hank.
See? See, Hank?

Speaker 1 Wait, what is that? Is that different than what was...

Speaker 5 It is not exclusive and not signed.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we got to wait again. So we'll celebrate.
Yeah, yeah, we'll celebrate and we'll

Speaker 1 celebrate some more.

Speaker 3 I'm acting like I've been there before. Because I have five times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the playing games were fun. They were fun on Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 We're playing game guys now. And then on Friday, I'll decide if I'm not.

Speaker 3 I guess so.

Speaker 1 But isn't it fun to just do, we'll just be as knee-jerk and as

Speaker 1 recency-biased as possible with the play-in games. That's just how I'm going to judge it.

Speaker 3 So it's really the last game.

Speaker 1 The last play-in game

Speaker 3 whether or not it was a good play-in tournament.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then next year we'll do the same thing again. Because really, it is so funny that it becomes a debate whether the play-in game is fun or not or stupid or not.

Speaker 1 like, but it's just going to have, they're going to keep doing it because it makes more teams involved and makes more money for owners. So it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 And don't get me wrong. If they announced that they were going to do this in the NFL and add another playoff team via a play-in game,

Speaker 1 I'd be all in on that. Yeah, more football teams.
More football. Exactly.

Speaker 3 More basketball game. You got more sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The only reason that it's even a debate for basketball is because

Speaker 1 with football, you can kind of tell yourself, oh, this, you know, there's been six seeds that have won the Super Bowl. Yeah.
There's never been an eight seed that's won the NBA finals.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just, it's very funny to think that they have a play-in tournament when the entire season is a play-in tournament for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Well, and we're going to have the mid-season play-in tournament, too, which will be fun as well.

Speaker 1 All right, so, Jake, Heat versus Bulls, Friday night. No D.R.
DeRosan. Yeah.
You got to feel confident. We'll see.
Not confident. Okay,

Speaker 1 that was your pregame show.

Speaker 3 Jake, how much popcorn?

Speaker 1 A kettle corn? I bought a huge bag.

Speaker 4 This is a zero kettle corn.

Speaker 1 Oh, I bought a huge bag of pork.

Speaker 3 You're not having any kettle corn?

Speaker 4 For this game, though.

Speaker 4 It's also the night before I broadcast, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can't. Yeah, I'll tweet out my bag of popcorn.
It's enormous for Friday night. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'll be eating so much fucking popcorn, and you not eating popcorn makes me think the Bulls are going to win.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they might.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're not really into it.

Speaker 1 What do you got?

Speaker 1 What broadcast you got? Oh, funny you ask.

Speaker 4 It's the 49th annual FDNY NYPD hockey game at UBS Arena on Long Island. Barstow.tv, pregame.
Big Cat will be on the panel at 4.15. I will.

Speaker 4 Biz and I will be, and Whitney will be ringside in between the benches at 5 o'clock as Puck Drop. Barstool.tv.

Speaker 1 Can't wait. I think it's harder to get tickets for this event than Taylor Swift tickets.

Speaker 3 It might be.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They don't sell them.
You can only get them through.

Speaker 1 They give the tickets to

Speaker 1 firehouses and police houses, and that's the only way you can get them.

Speaker 3 Police houses. This is much washed.
What are they called?

Speaker 1 Stations.

Speaker 3 Police stations.

Speaker 1 The NYPD.

Speaker 1 Why do the firemen get stationed? why do the firemen get housed the firemen actually

Speaker 1 sleep over there

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 3 i'm just asking another question they have a kitchen no i'm glad i'm glad hank's asking this because if you're asking it then some other person at home probably one person at home is like why isn't it a house thank you hank some police officers

Speaker 5 probably listen that in in eighth grade yeah in eighth grade as an eight-year-old what were you gonna say billy uh just fdny uh fdny uh nypd events always go hard like their football game there was a huge fight like In the stands?

Speaker 5 No, on the field. It was like huge brawl, and like their boxing events are insane, too.

Speaker 1 But it's all love after.

Speaker 1 No, not really. Oh, okay.
They still hate each other.

Speaker 3 Oh, nice. So, Jake, have you worked on your announcing when it comes to fighting? Because there will be fights that you'll have to do play-by-play for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that will be awesome.

Speaker 4 And I feel like the comp, like, Biz is going to go all in on that, too.

Speaker 1 It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 Can't wait. I can't wait.
So, other things. The Tampa Rays are now 13-0.
We didn't jinx them. Is that a record? Tied.

Speaker 4 Tied.

Speaker 1 Two teams. It reminds me of that famous clip when someone called into Francesa before opening day and was like, You ever think a team is going to be able to go 162-0?

Speaker 1 And he like debated the guy for real. I was like, No,

Speaker 1 it's crazy. But now, are the Rays ever going to lose?

Speaker 4 Three games set at Toronto this weekend and then three games at Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 I know they haven't played a lot of good teams, but still, 13-0 is fucking impressive. It is good.

Speaker 3 I wonder how that translates, though, to the rest of the season just in baseball history. Also,

Speaker 3 go ahead, sorry. The teams that get off to the hottest start, I wonder how frequently they end up in the World Series.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because not often.

Speaker 3 Baseball is such a streaky sport that you'd almost rather

Speaker 3 end the season. Well, definitely you'd rather end the season 13-0 than start at 13-0.

Speaker 1 And there's so many games. They're basically, if it was the NFL, they would.
2-0.

Speaker 1 No, they're 1-0 and up at halftime in the second game. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, in 10 of the 13 games, they've given up three runs or less.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 I was walking by the gambling cave today, and it feels like they're just

Speaker 1 toying with teams because

Speaker 1 they were playing the Red Sox. They had bases loaded two outs, and a guy bunted a run in.
I love that.

Speaker 1 Insane. Give me small balls.
That's a fucking crazy move.

Speaker 3 And we will be doing the fantasy baseball draft at some point.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes. We'll have to find one more person.

Speaker 1 Yes. That also has to happen.
We're going to. There was.
Maybe Tom Fernelli wanted to be in.

Speaker 1 I want to do the draft at

Speaker 1 All-Star Break and have all the stats count already.

Speaker 1 Max had the idea looking past, he was already looking past the first round. This is a program.

Speaker 1 No, that's illegal.

Speaker 1 You can't do that.

Speaker 1 God forbid you try and program the show or do any scheduling. He said.

Speaker 1 We said that you didn't get full ownership for Brooks choking. We should do, not on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 I thought Twitter is not an app that we should use anymore. It's not.
I mean, it's pointless, but the facts remain.

Speaker 1 We should do it during a hypothetical Six or Celtics live stream, do the draft during. Oh,

Speaker 1 that's good.

Speaker 3 I also think we should have Tom draft the team, and then you just manage the team, and you act like it was yours from the start.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Tano's baseball.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'll have him manage it, but then I'll just say.

Speaker 3 He takes all the credit for Tom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. Yeah, that would be great.
Oh, yeah. And we should do like no computers.
We should have like a big draft board. So we have to write down the names and stuff.
This is a big future name.

Speaker 1 That would be awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we'll definitely repick. Actually, we should count repicks.
If they're honest repicks, past the 10th round,

Speaker 1 two teams can own

Speaker 1 the same guy.

Speaker 3 We're going to have to get Steven Che involved for. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. To figure this out for us, to coordinate it.
Yeah, he can be the commissioner. He already

Speaker 1 has skills as being the commissioner of fantasy. We also have...
Potentially, depending on what happens tonight in hockey, Hank versus memes in the first round. Islanders, Bruins.

Speaker 1 I also wanted to give just a heads up to anyone who follows part of my take on Twitter. Please subscribe to the YouTube as well.

Speaker 1 I have told Memes that he can just do a personal tweeting of all Islanders games because it is the team that he cares the most about.

Speaker 1 And it was funny seeing on the PMT Twitter the other night just having an Islanders post just out of no out of the clouds because they clinched the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And it was like, I don't think we've ever talked about the Islanders on this podcast. He's just like, you know, take the wheels to this.
Oh, we were at the last game at the barn. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 1 no, no, no, no, they went to seven.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we saved the barn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was the last game there, wasn't it? No, they played game seven there, I want to say.

Speaker 3 They played one other game there. They did have another game.
I don't know if it was there at the barn, but we saved the barn. We did save the barn.

Speaker 1 And we'll be at their current home this weekend.

Speaker 1 For what?

Speaker 1 Oh, funny bad. The M-I-P-D-F-D-NY game.

Speaker 1 All right, what else? What else? Billy, let me ask you a question. Yep.
Are you getting a little nervous about not having a quarterback? Yep.

Speaker 1 It does feel weird.

Speaker 5 I mean, every week it's like, it could be my firefest.

Speaker 1 It's, it's just ongoing and everything that new comes out feels like they're farther apart.

Speaker 5 Is Aaron Rodgers? I think there was a quote that said he was 90% retired. Yeah.
Woody Johnson wanted confirmation. Doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 Doesn't feel good at all.

Speaker 3 When was that quote? It's from somewhere. Okay.

Speaker 5 I think it was said in private and Woody Johnson just like was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Like we want some insurance.

Speaker 3 See, the thing is, like, Aaron, he's not going to play on the Packers this year, but he might retire.

Speaker 5 And you know who's the worst?

Speaker 3 The Packers fans, because they're just gloating about

Speaker 1 the situation.

Speaker 5 Like, you can't have them. We can't have him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. World of my world.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's not off to a good start. Even if he becomes a quarterback of the Jets, and I'm sure you guys will forget about this if he starts winning football games.

Speaker 3 But it's not a good sign to start the relationship if you ask somebody out on a date and then she ghosts you for the next two months. Yeah.

Speaker 5 We signed Boyle.

Speaker 1 Oh, Tim Boyle, TB12.

Speaker 5 Yes, who we think is like his, you know, emotional support backup. Yeah.
Like, so hopefully that's like a step closer. It's like one of his guys to get him there.

Speaker 1 I'm enjoying the hell out of it because he's, like PFT said, he's not playing for the Packers. So

Speaker 1 I've already moved on. I don't care where he plays.
I don't care if he plays. I don't care if he goes anywhere.
Like, that relationship is over. I've done my celebrating.
It's over.

Speaker 5 You know who's the real winner right now?

Speaker 1 Who? Zach Wilson. Why?

Speaker 1 All right, here we go. Hold on.
Hold on. Everyone, if you're standing up listening to us, sit down.

Speaker 1 Go.

Speaker 5 Like, what if Aaron Rodgers doesn't go? Then who's the guy?

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson will suck again.

Speaker 5 I know, but like, for him, it's like, oh.

Speaker 3 I think you're Zach Wilson, the best case scenario is that you don't have to play.

Speaker 1 Correct. Yeah.
More tape is bad tape. Yes, if you're Zach Wilson.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is actually the nightmare scenario for Zach Wilson. Because he could back up Aaron Rodgers for a year.

Speaker 3 They win a Super Bowl, hypothetically, and then he's now had a year to study behind Aaron. And people are like, wow, Zach Wilson might be good.

Speaker 3 Whereas if he actually has to play football, people are going to be like, oh, yeah, Zach Wilson's not good. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 It's all bad. All right, so we're two weeks from the draft.
I did see

Speaker 1 there's like a report that Stetson Bennett might go undrafted for off-field things, which just made me laugh because if he was a top 10 pick, there's no chance he would go. Like, he was already.

Speaker 1 a sixth or seventh rounder. So I feel like teams are just using this as like, hey, we're standing up for something.

Speaker 3 It sounds like smokescreen season too. Yeah.
This sounds like one person was like, yeah, we really want him. So we're just going to say he might go on draft.

Speaker 5 Yes, the arrest video wasn't that bad, I thought it was a lot worse as it was described.

Speaker 5 Describe it, I missed it. The Stetson Bennett video, yeah, no, I missed it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so he got basically like locked out and lost his phone, and then like once the officers got there, he was like pretty respectful, and then he just like started because someone called that he was banging on a door trying to get in.

Speaker 1 Could happen anyway.

Speaker 3 I think the worst arrest video was Baker Mayfield because he got caught from behind.

Speaker 5 He got caught by like a middle-aged dude, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 that was bad.

Speaker 3 If I was the Browns, I'd say, nope, nope, not me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. And the last thing I had was, I don't know if you guys saw, but Jim Nance did a podcast, and he came out in defense of Tony Romo.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to read the quote to you, and you tell me if you think there was any smoke to the fire that everyone was talking about.

Speaker 3 Jim Nance should not be on a podcast.

Speaker 3 Frankly, that's beneath Jim Nance.

Speaker 1 It is. So he said, Tony is the best.
He's the absolute best. And he's also one of my best friends.
I love the guy. And when somebody starts questioning our chemistry, there's an agenda there.

Speaker 1 There's nothing wrong with our chemistry i've never had better chemistry with anybody in my career than tony all you have to do is sit in the booth with us which people that are covering our business they're always welcome to come in and take a look at how we interact between the two of us on the air off the air between plays it's amazing i'm not worried about it here's what i don't get where was this all this outcry during the season it's not like we were invisible

Speaker 1 Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's like I'm not mad. Don't say that I was mad.
Please don't write in the newspaper that I was mad.

Speaker 1 Tony is the best. He's the absolute best.
And he's also one of my best friends.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jake,

Speaker 3 describe sitting next to Billy, working with Billy. What would you say about that?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's the best. He's one of my best friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. Yeah, exactly.
There we go. And we rest our case.

Speaker 4 Also, he said anyone in the business is welcome to observe.

Speaker 1 I'll do it. Okay.
In the fall.

Speaker 4 So you'll go observe. If they come to MetLife, or I guess Soldier Free.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 go observe.

Speaker 4 Usually on Fox.

Speaker 1 You have permission to go anywhere to observe them

Speaker 1 and report back.

Speaker 3 Will you call it straight, or will you have such reverence for Jim Nance? I'll live tweet it.

Speaker 1 Okay, but like you would. There's no way they're going to let you in the booth.

Speaker 3 Jake, you would be in the presence of Jim Nance and you would just cream yourself. Yeah, you would.

Speaker 1 You'd cream your cactus.

Speaker 3 I don't think you'd be able to

Speaker 4 go back to my Twitter two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 It happened. What would you say? Oh, he saw Jim Nance.
That's right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, but I'm saying, like, if you got to watch him call a game,

Speaker 3 there's no way you'd be like, the chemistry up here is questionable.

Speaker 4 So I'm willing to observe and take notes on that if you allow me.

Speaker 1 Perfect. So CBS,

Speaker 1 invite us. I won't do anything bad.

Speaker 3 Definitely not. No.
No, like, actually.

Speaker 1 We need to get it so that

Speaker 1 we get a big trench coat and we're underneath Jake. Or we're just

Speaker 1 going to put a stink bomb in his jacket. He doesn't even know.
Just detonate it. What about a real bomb?

Speaker 1 Yeah, real bomb would be sick. Kill Tony Romo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No. All right, so invite us, CBS, to be determined whether Jake will be carrying a real bomb or not.

Speaker 3 No, I will. Jake, have you ever seen the movie Valkyrie? No.

Speaker 1 If we put a suicide vest on you, you can't really stop us.

Speaker 4 Well, then I wouldn't go.

Speaker 1 No, but you can't. Oh, yeah, then it's...
Yeah. Yeah.
What would you, oh, you'd do like the noble thing and like jump into the ocean and just blow it up there.

Speaker 3 Would you die for gymnast?

Speaker 1 Ooh, good question.

Speaker 1 No? Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 That's not an answer, Jake. That was a...
That was a regretfully yes.

Speaker 1 So you'd be alive, but Gymnance would die. And then...
No, that's selfish. So you would die for Gymnance?

Speaker 1 I guess. Okay, good.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, so Jake's the perfect suicide bomber.

Speaker 1 Yes, perfect suicide bomber.

Speaker 1 Jake, when you get to heaven, there's a thousand gymnastes calling every game.

Speaker 5 A little correction: Stetson Bennett did make a couple of comments to the cops about how they ruined his reputation.

Speaker 1 That's a good,

Speaker 1 yeah, good correction.

Speaker 3 So, Billy will be ruining for the FDNY this weekend, it sounds like no, no, no, NYPD.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay,

Speaker 1 good correction. Um, all right, we got two awesome interviews.
He was overall pretty respectful, probably.

Speaker 1 We have Dan Hurley in studio, fresh off the national championship, and then we're going to do Kirk Goldsbury, an NBA preview, talking about the first round, who we think is going to make it out of the first round, and also he gives us his NBA Finals prediction, which was fantastic.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is: UConn head coach Dan Hurley.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest in person. He is now a national champion is Coach Dan Hurley from the UConn Huskies.

Speaker 1 We talked to you after the Elite Eight. So congratulations.
You did it.

Speaker 1 You proved it.

Speaker 1 Has it set, I mean, what, we're like a week and a half after. You just rang the bell.
You've been doing the whirlwind tour, the parade and everything.

Speaker 1 Has it fully set in that you are a national champion? And this is like you did it. You did it.
UConn did it. You can.

Speaker 1 We did it.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 7 you know, like the blur, really, since, like, I'd say, you know, winning the Arkansas game, man, like that. Getting ready for Gonzaga, knowing you're like a game away from getting to a Final Four.

Speaker 7 Blur, really, from that Gonzaga game through to, you know, sitting here with you guys, man, it's been a blur.

Speaker 7 And then, so, like, really, just in the car, maybe, like, driving home, you think about it, oh

Speaker 7 shit we did it yeah won a national championship yeah i was coaching high school 12 years ago whatever it's like uh amazing but they you know the job wakes you back up because everything just starts moving i wish i could have played in like the cbi or the nit or kept the season going because now i'm dealing with all the same shit that everyone else is dealing with right the nil and transport and right after the game was over it's like the media blitz starts right as soon as that final horn sounds and one of the first people that got to talk to you after the championship was our darling Jake.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He was down on the court.

Speaker 3 He pulled you aside and you said, I can't wait to go back on the podcast.

Speaker 3 Do you remember the name of the podcast that you're on right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you can nail it right now. Tell me if I mess that up.

Speaker 3 Now, to be fair, like in the heat of the moment, you were probably not thinking about this podcast as soon as you maybe were.

Speaker 1 I don't know, after you won the national championship.

Speaker 7 Not at that moment. Shortly.

Speaker 1 Oh, damn. Shortly after.
I was on at 2 a.m. Yeah, that's true.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 I did actually congratulate Andrew, your son, and I was like, if he responds tonight, I'm going to try to FaceTime him through Instagram.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I thought I would let you guys enjoy that.

Speaker 7 I know.

Speaker 7 It's like the media, but then it's

Speaker 7 like the agents. They're all waiting for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like the players' agents. It's crazy.
You get back to the hotel. You think it's just going to be a celebration.

Speaker 1 Everyone's got someone.

Speaker 7 Yeah, everyone's pitching their shit.

Speaker 3 So right after you win, we were lucky enough to interview Coach O at LSU right after they won, like the morning after. And you can tell he was still kind of in coach mode.

Speaker 3 He was like running around yelling at the players, like, the bus is leaving 8 a.m.

Speaker 1 sharp.

Speaker 3 Be there. You know, that sort of thing.
Like, he was still trying to whip them into shape and make sure that they were on the right schedule. Right after you win, how much of your job is still like as

Speaker 3 on the administrative side, as a coach, making sure the players are following all the random details? And how much of it is like you getting a chance to celebrate with your family and with your guys?

Speaker 7 Yeah, man. So it's like,

Speaker 7 you know, i'm like old school i coach these guys pretty hard you know and you can tell by the way we play that like you know like our you know our whole like organization it's pretty uh you know it's discipline so for me after you win that it was much more of like

Speaker 7 celebration with with with the guys, you know, like you, you, your relationship is, it's like, when you win a championship like that together, like, you know, they, they maybe see a different side of you.

Speaker 7 You're more, like, I don't know, more vulnerable, more open, like hug, and it's nothing but love, right? So now, like, I've been nice to them.

Speaker 7 You know, these guys, you know, since we won it, I mean, I'm sure these guys have had a great time. And, you know, you can tell some of the, some of their, these guys have baggy eyes.
They look tired.

Speaker 7 So yesterday I had to bring them in.

Speaker 7 And like, all right, fellas, like, we got to get back on track here. And we got to start functioning like an organization again

Speaker 7 because, like, you guys have enjoyed this enough.

Speaker 1 But those are the really cool moments in college sports where I think even your embrace with Jordan Hawkins, knowing that he's going to go pro and what he was what he proved this past year to in increase his lottery status and all that you guys accomplish it together those are the moments that are like beautiful I don't want to sound sappy but I love those all the brutality you know all the brutality that we all go through you know like the sacrifice like the amount of time

Speaker 7 you know the intensity of what we do to be able to like deliver in big moments like that you know and then you know like you recruit this kid and his family's all in with his career and the dream is like go to ucon and absolutely crush it you know when you when you hit when it hits like that on both sides man it's like it's the best it's the best because it usually don't go like that right right uh this might be a dumb question but from our point of view was it too easy

Speaker 7 it felt too easy for you guys yeah we i kept looking at like luke Luke Murray and Kamani and Young and Tom more. I was like, felt like, and like right before these games started,

Speaker 7 is this going to be the one? Is this going to be a game where it's going to have to be free throws or a big shot?

Speaker 7 But just when you really, you know, minus that month of January, man, like, it was like.

Speaker 1 You were proving so much. That's what we did the whole year, minus the month of January.

Speaker 1 You were proven so correct when you said, like, once you got out of Big East play, because I think it ended up, what, 17-0 against non-conference opponents, all double-digit wins.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and January felt like it was forever. It's the longest month in terms of days, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. 30.
Yeah, 31.

Speaker 7 That's as high as you could go.

Speaker 7 It just felt like such a long month.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's crazy because it really did feel, I think you guys were trailing like all of like 50 seconds in the second half in the tournament.

Speaker 1 It just felt, I don't know if there was ever a moment, maybe when San Diego State cut it to five, but even then you felt like, it felt like you guys weren't panicking.

Speaker 1 And I think you might have called a timeout, but there wasn't a lot of panic. No, you know.

Speaker 7 The only one that panicked was my associate head coach, Kamani Young. When we were down versus Iona, I felt pretty, I mean, I didn't feel great about it.

Speaker 7 You're down at halftime, and you know what you did the year before.

Speaker 7 Teddy Allen,

Speaker 7 it was a disaster. So

Speaker 7 I went to Lockerbie and I felt like what they were doing was unsustainable. Yeah.
And I felt like we were getting, like, we were doing everything we wanted to do. It just wasn't happening yet.

Speaker 7 We were going to go on a run and get them out of there. But I walked into Lockerbie.
I was very composed. But I saw out of the corner of my eye, Kamani Young and Jordan Hawkins' face.

Speaker 1 Wake up.

Speaker 7 We're not doing this again this year.

Speaker 7 So maybe, I don't know which one had the impact. It might have been him or me being cool or him losing his mind.

Speaker 1 A little bit of both.

Speaker 3 Coaches and teams are really good at finding any perceived slight against them to use that as motivation. I mean, we saw it with the Chiefs this year.
Travis Kelsey was like, nobody believed in us.

Speaker 3 It's like, you're the Chiefs. I think a lot of people did believe in you.
You were kind of in a similar situation. You were just running roughshod on people.

Speaker 3 And most people, with the exception of Max, who did bet against you

Speaker 3 every single game in the tournament this year.

Speaker 1 So he's a Villanova fan. Diehard.
So every single game he bet against you.

Speaker 3 If you were looking for the one doubter in the world to use his motivation, that's your guy right there.

Speaker 7 Well, we, I mean, I get it, though, because we stole all of Max's hope because everyone was talking up Villanova when Justin came back, and we played that final game of the regular season down in Philly, and we crushed you guys.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 1 everyone's going crazy. Villanova's going to win the Big East tournament.
Villanova's on the bubble.

Speaker 3 Who could have said that?

Speaker 7 And Max, we ended all that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, no, no, it was a rebuilding year.

Speaker 1 First year head coach.

Speaker 3 That's what you were saying all year, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, when Moore came back, he was still a little hurt.

Speaker 3 So was there any of that that you were able, not for Max, obviously, but did you ever, were you able to play the, like, nobody is believing that you can win this game card?

Speaker 3 No one thinks that you guys can win the championship? Or if, I guess, probably not. And if not, what did you use as the motivation?

Speaker 7 Like, the fact, I mean, we weren't ranked. Unlike the Chiefs, I mean, they were like the Super Bowl favorite.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was different. We were not ranked in anything in the preseason.
So I think like in the beginning of the year, and for me, like just any time,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 a flight is late. Or the hotel

Speaker 7 first hotel in Vegas was just a, it was a dump. And we just knew we couldn't stay in there.
It was.

Speaker 7 It was shady and it was really bad. And then we went right to practice and then they robbed the bus and stole all the computers.
And so things like that that are going on.

Speaker 7 And hey, like they put us in the worst hotel of all the seeds out here. I mean, I'll use any of that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I use it all. Well, if you want Max next year, we will offer him up to you because it is shocking.
Like, you guys won every game by double digits. He bet against you every single game.

Speaker 1 Oh, brutal.

Speaker 7 So you couldn't even watch the games with any real drama.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was.

Speaker 7 I completely robbed him of everything.

Speaker 1 I didn't doubt UConn. I just hate UConn basketball.

Speaker 1 So I couldn't bring myself to root for to bet on UConn because I truly hate your basketball program.

Speaker 7 The coaches, the players, the fan, the fans.

Speaker 1 The fans, really.

Speaker 1 The fans, really. He gets really upset that you said, what was the quote, like,

Speaker 1 something about Madison Square Garden? Is your guys' home away from home? Oh, yeah, I got mad at that. Yeah, he gets very upset about that.

Speaker 7 I mean, like, when we come here, it's like

Speaker 7 when we play St. John's here, it's like, it feels like a home game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 7 I mean, we do. I mean, it's not like we dominate here.
I mean,

Speaker 7 we've done bad in here, too. We got thrown out of here in the Iowa game.
I had the chest bump.

Speaker 1 It hasn't all been the joyride. Yeah, no, I went pretty hard.
I was pretty excited when you guys lost in the Biggie's tournament, to go back to that quote.

Speaker 7 I know, and then one of the guys on Marquette did it, and it was taken out of context. I didn't say, like, we can't be beaten here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we're at home. You did have the quote, get your wins in now when you lost in Villanova.
Was it year two?

Speaker 7 Year two. Year two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, with Max's crew. So how does that feel? Like, that must feel awesome to be like, look, I said this, and I was right, and we were vindicated, and we put a championship banner up in stores.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I felt like I had to say something. You know,

Speaker 7 all those national championships, I mean, right, from 19 to 14, four of them, and now you're playing like a mid-major, like really bad program. You know, year one, we played Villanova at the garden.

Speaker 7 They smoked us. They beat us by 25 right before Christmas.

Speaker 7 It just destroyed Christmas. And we played him the next year

Speaker 7 on the road there, and we lost like a one-possession game. Like we were right there year two.
And I knew we had like our talent level was about to increase. I knew

Speaker 7 we kind of had our culture and organization together and it was about to take off. And when you're a coach at UConn, sometimes you've got to say shit to

Speaker 7 rally the troops because

Speaker 7 it's a high bar over there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's the basketball capital of the world.

Speaker 1 Oh, it is right now. I like that.

Speaker 3 Are you guys a blue blood? Because we had the debate.

Speaker 3 We gave you guys blue blood status for winning the film.

Speaker 7 I know, I know. So, this guy, Dan Toscano, one of our board members and one of our big donors,

Speaker 7 his thing is like, no, forget the

Speaker 7 blue blood.

Speaker 7 We're a program that bleeds blue.

Speaker 7 You know, Max, the bleed blue. So, like, we're going to create our own because we've got the five national championships and NBA players for days in the last 20 years, most of anyone.
That is, yeah.

Speaker 1 Max, we bleed blue.

Speaker 7 We don't even want to be a blue blood. We're our own kind of deal.

Speaker 1 It was cool. Like, it must have been awesome after the game to see all of the legends of, you know, UConn on the court, celebrating with you guys.

Speaker 1 Like, that is, you know, there's some programs that have that, obviously. Kentucky's got a ton.

Speaker 1 Duke's got a ton, but to have that, and I'm sure that helps in recruiting where you're like, look, I'm hanging out with Ray Allen. I'm hanging out with, you know, all these guys right after the game.

Speaker 7 Big star power. Yeah, like big star power.
And all those guys, they're in the practice facility. You got all the banners.

Speaker 7 You got all the lottery picks so you know ray allen and rip all these guys are looking looking down on us on that practice court and uh just to have everybody kind of congregate out in houston man it was just it was a wild scene those guys would come into practices they're on the court with you while you're cutting down the nets they're back at the hotel when it's just absolute like mayhem back there yeah and they're just like in the mix with all ucon fans it was crazy yeah did you get a chance to catch up with jim nance after the final four

Speaker 7 no i uh not after just on the podium.

Speaker 7 But our podium was all disorganized, man.

Speaker 7 Like, we had like key players and like major coaches were like in the back, or like, we had like GAs in the front with the trophy with players that like didn't do as much as like other players.

Speaker 7 It was this very bad setup. Yeah.
But it was cool

Speaker 7 just being around people like that. I mean, again, I was like a high school coach not too long ago to be out there with like, you know, Raft and Jim Nance's last Final Four.

Speaker 7 His first ones with your brother.

Speaker 7 That was crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so speaking of your brother, we had him on the day that you won the national title. We interviewed him on that Saturday before you had played in a Final Four game.

Speaker 1 I want to give him credit. We gave him the question.
He said he's 100% rooting for you. So I want you to know that he, because we gave him as many outs as possible.
Like, hey, wouldn't it be nice?

Speaker 1 You know, like there's maybe 0.01% like true serum that you want to do it before him. But he put it perfectly.
He's like, I had the college career.

Speaker 1 My dad had the high school career, and now Dan is doing his thing and winning a national title.

Speaker 1 It's like, did you have a little of that where it's like, not that you've been living in the shadow of your brother and your dad, but there's been a lot of talk about those two guys, and now you have your moment.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's like, when you look at your career as a player and a coach, it's not like I was like,

Speaker 7 had a, you know, had a, had a bad career. I mean, I was like a, I ended up being a pretty good player at the end of my playing career.

Speaker 7 You know, obviously my first attempt in college didn't work out great. I got fired at Rutgers as an assistant and didn't know that I'd necessarily even work my way back to this.
But, you know, at St.

Speaker 7 Benedict's, I ran like a big-time program at Wagner. We wanted a high-level Rhode Island, like we did, you know, great stuff, but I never accomplished that real like elite level shit, right?

Speaker 7 That stuff that like, you know, it's a top of your profession, top of the competition type of moment. So for me, yeah, I mean, I've been a basketball lifer, so it was a big moment.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'd say, yeah, this is definitely a huge moment for you. I'll give you the opportunity.
We'll do a headline grab here.

Speaker 3 So, I'll just give you the opportunity to say the Houston Rockets call you tomorrow. We want Dan Early as our head coach.
What do you say?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, I'm not. I've still got some

Speaker 7 developing to do on the sideline. There's no one coaching like me in the NBA.

Speaker 1 They're not ready. They're not ready.

Speaker 7 They're not ready. And maybe I'm certainly not ready.
I do believe, I mean, that is something I aspire to, you know, down the road. You know, I love college.

Speaker 7 I hope I could continue to put UConn in this position moving forward. I don't think we're going anywhere.
I think we'll kind of, I think we're going to stay somewhat in the area where we are.

Speaker 7 They're hard to do every year, but I think we've established a level. But NBA, someday, I just got to kind of...

Speaker 1 you know continue to mellow and you know yeah yeah i mean

Speaker 1 well so i read an article before the final four that said that uh you are zen and this team was so good that you didn't get angry have you gone soft?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 People are saying he's gone soft.

Speaker 7 Not me. You're not seeing the rage as much.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 7 You know, the rage behind closed doors was all there. The practice intensity is.

Speaker 3 You're getting a little mad that Big Cat called you soft right now. I guess I'm not.

Speaker 1 I saw it. I got to deliver, man.
Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I'm happy because I'm seeing that it's true that you're not soft, but people have called you soft.

Speaker 7 I know.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 3 you said that you didn't drink your own piss, and to me, me, that made you soft.

Speaker 1 I know, I know.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 7 After the effing clown thing

Speaker 7 in the Villanova game, once the effing clown thing went viral, like a lot went on after that, and I got, my wife sat me down, you know, my agent,

Speaker 7 and told me I had to just calm it down a little bit. Really, since then,

Speaker 7 the antics haven't been quite what they used to. Yeah.
And we would show, we had like a four-minute mixtape that we we would show to like recruits. And the recruits, listen, their families love it.

Speaker 7 The players love the way I coach. Yeah.
I know that like a lot of opposing fans don't like it,

Speaker 7 you know, because it's

Speaker 7 intense, man. It's like it's in your face.
That's the way we play. I don't care.
I've also created a lot of enemies because everywhere I've been, I've won a lot.

Speaker 7 So all those other teams in those conferences and different places that we've kicked their ass, I've made a lot of enemies over the years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't care. So not soft.

Speaker 7 Not soft. Okay.
Just maturing a little bit, picking my spots.

Speaker 3 It's like a focused rage that you can still channel sometimes. A time and a place for everything, right?

Speaker 7 It's like

Speaker 7 my favorite coach, Fran McCaffrey, right? It's like when he, I just want to channel it like that and have more bigger moments like him. Did you like his stare down? No, that was crazy.

Speaker 1 That was so awesome. I never saw that.
But when I saw it,

Speaker 3 did he get a technical after that?

Speaker 1 I don't think he got a tech after that, but they came back. That was the crazy comeback where they were down like 12 with 50 seconds left, and he just stood there.

Speaker 1 He'd still be standing there if someone didn't grab him.

Speaker 7 I got a lot of respect for the official, and I had him on a tournament game, and I wanted to ask him about it. But, like, that was the best one I've seen.

Speaker 7 That was just the best one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you can't break a stare down.

Speaker 3 You have to have your own guy pull you away from that.

Speaker 1 So it's like the UFC or big boxing. Yeah, they were just locked forever.
I love him.

Speaker 1 Speaking of the NBA, this is a weird question, but so Kyle Anderson played for your dad,

Speaker 1 gets in that little thing with Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 1 And I'm wondering, I don't know if you talked to your dad about it all, but his restraint in that moment was exceptional because Rudy Gobert throws a punch at him.

Speaker 1 You can see him instantly go after him, and then he immediately is like, wait, stop. This is like, it's bigger than this.
Like, we have to win this game. Can we give your dad credit for that?

Speaker 7 Yeah, shout out to St. Anthony there.
Slow-mo,

Speaker 7 you know, Slo-Mo, great family, family, like great, great, great people, and a, you know, state champion at St. Anthony, number one in the country, one of the best players ever to come out of Jersey.

Speaker 7 Definitely St. Anthony.
Street Stops here. Miracle St.
Anthony, all that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 he was taught correctly to not throw punches in the huddle.

Speaker 7 No, because, yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 yeah, he learned that at St. Anthony from my dad.

Speaker 3 It was the look of a man that knew that Rudy Gobert had probably like two feet of reach on him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Smart guy. I mean, you know, my dad's an intense guy.
I'm sure they came close to.

Speaker 1 He said that. He was like, look, I've had these things happen.
Like, I've been in these intense wars.

Speaker 7 And it's Jersey.

Speaker 7 I mean, North Jersey basketball, even I think back to when I was coaching in high school, Kevin Boyle, who's at Monteverde, who has like number one team in the country every year and all types of NBA players.

Speaker 7 And my dad, we're all coaching within like, you know, eight miles of each other.

Speaker 7 And you would have in any given year, you know, like 10 or 12 high major recruits that could play anywhere in the country. And so there's no better place than like North Jersey for basketball,

Speaker 7 like during that time in the 2000s. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Can you look around the country and say, okay, California kids play, you know, this style, North Jersey kids play this style, Florida kids play this style?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, there is, definitely. You know, there's definitely, you see the differences, you know, with like a team from Philly or, you know,

Speaker 7 you know, an AAU team from New York City versus, you know, like a West Coast team. And And even one of our key ingredients

Speaker 7 with this year's team, Joey California. I wasn't sure that it would translate.
It's just that we'd have the kind of the guts to do it in the Big East. But Joey pulled it all up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was awesome.

Speaker 7 He was awesome. It's like a character from Top Gun, Joey, right? Like it could have easily been an

Speaker 7 Iceman or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 There was one moment at the end of the game I want to talk to you about. You got your son in the game.
He played in every tournament game. Yep, which credit to you.
You were looking out for him.

Speaker 3 You got him some minutes there at the end.

Speaker 3 He looked like he wanted to pull up a three at the end of the game. And I saw you on the sidelines and he had the ball in his hand.
And it looked like you told him, don't shoot it.

Speaker 3 And he listened to you in that moment. But probably in the back of his mind, he's like, I just wish I could have gotten that shot.
I wish I could have gotten on the stat sheet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, he doesn't listen to me.

Speaker 7 Just like any kid his age, he doesn't listen to me. He goes to his mother a lot more times because she's going to tell him what he wants to hear.

Speaker 7 And I'm going to be more honest with him. And he desperately wanted to shoot.
He was very assertive and very aggressive throughout the tournament.

Speaker 7 He either rebounded the ball, got a steal, or fouled. He's fouled the shit out of people too.
And then he took back-to-back threes, I think, in Albany. First one he almost had on a step back

Speaker 7 versus scholarship guy. And then I think he might have airballed the second shot.
Yeah. You know, so we met after at the hotel.

Speaker 3 That would have been very funny, though.

Speaker 7 Our efficiency.

Speaker 3 You're telling him not to shoot in the last seconds, and then he finds his mom in the stands. He's like, mom, can I shoot? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she's like, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 She's like, right over my head. You got this.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he turned the ball over against Miami, picked up a five-second violation at the end of that Miami game. So you did not have a clean sheet in the NCAA.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I mean, it was an incredible run.
I'm happy I wasn't the mush. I told you that I was afraid for a while.
Good news is I had Max going the other way, which I think he's the actual mush.

Speaker 1 So he helped us out. My last question, and it's been an awesome.
Well, you have to get us our painting.

Speaker 1 You guaranteed that.

Speaker 7 I took a look around. Yeah, you did a message to everything I need to know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I'm always curious with this with coaches. So you win the title.
Obviously, it's incredible. Your roster's incredible.

Speaker 1 A guy like Jordan Hawkins, who's going to most likely be a lottery pick, what is the conversation with him? Are you, is there any part of you that's like, come on, just come back one more?

Speaker 1 Or are you just,

Speaker 1 because that always, you know, selfishly, if I was in that shoes, I'd be like, come on, man, let's run it back. Because

Speaker 1 you obviously want the success, but you also want him to live his dreams.

Speaker 7 Can't do it unless you think a kid's making a mistake. Yeah.
You know, unless you think a kid is not ready

Speaker 7 or he can really increase his chances. Like, you know, Book Knight.

Speaker 7 At the end of his freshman year, you know, James Book Knight could have gone like late first. He was crushing at the end of his freshman year.

Speaker 7 You know, but we knew that he could become a lottery pick and he could make a lot more money by coming back to college.

Speaker 7 You know, I think you just, each situation, you do it's in the best interest of the kid. You try not to think selfishly about it whatsoever.

Speaker 7 Even Andre Jackson, I mean, he's one that we're, you know, that one that's probably going to play out over the course of the next month. If he could be a first-round pick, you know, he's got to go.

Speaker 7 If he's not a first-round pick, the way it's set up in college now, it probably makes more sense to, if you have the ability to get there, go back and get better in college. There's NIL.

Speaker 7 If you're going, you know, if you're on a team like ours, which we're not going anywhere, we're going to have a chance to field a team next year with Klingen and Carabin and a bunch of these guys that were going to return.

Speaker 7 We got top recruiting class coming in. I planned for Jordan Hawkins to leave.

Speaker 7 You planned for Sunogo Hawkins, potentially Andre going out the door this year before the season, and you make sure you have a top recruiting class coming in like we do.

Speaker 7 And now we'll go in the portal and make some strategic.

Speaker 1 I would be the worst coach because I would sit down, Jordan Hawkins, and I'd be like, listen, buddy, if you don't come back, I'm going to bash you to everyone. No.

Speaker 1 Just like come back.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm

Speaker 7 telling you, it's like it's going to be so easy. It's going to be so much easier to get the next kid like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. Long picture.
Yeah, you're thinking big picture. I'm thinking, like, I want to win again right away with the same guy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and I know what we got coming in with the freshman class, man. It's like, I got five big-time players.

Speaker 1 Are you going to go to the draft?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. And we missed Book Knight's draft because myself and Kamani Young, we got COVID.
Oh. Like literally the day of it, and

Speaker 7 they sent us home.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we're watching that Book Knight. That's going to be a very cool moment to go to the draft with some of these guys.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's going to be awesome, man.

Speaker 7 That'll rival winning it. Yeah.
That'll rival winning it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Some coaches say it's better.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm, yeah, I think so, because it's like these families, man, like the Hawkins family, the Jackson family, you know, potentially Sunogo, man, like these,

Speaker 7 you know, you're just so proud. It's life-changing moments.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a deep connection you're going to have. with these guys for the rest of their lives.
That's very cool. That's got to be a cool moment as a coach.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 My last question has to do with your underwear.

Speaker 1 So the lucky underwear.

Speaker 3 Was it dragon underwear?

Speaker 1 Dragons, man. That you wore forever.

Speaker 3 I'm assuming that you washed it

Speaker 3 in between every game.

Speaker 7 Yeah, between every game. Like that, you know, like they used to do it in

Speaker 7 the olden days with the washboards scrubbing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, scrub them good.

Speaker 3 You just fill the sink up with soap water in the hotel. You put the underwear in there.

Speaker 7 You set up the hair dryers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know? So

Speaker 3 are we retiring that set of underwear? Are we bringing it back next year's tournament? Are we going to hang it up like a banner?

Speaker 1 It wasn't.

Speaker 7 It's like, first of all,

Speaker 7 it's like a three. There's like three pairs of them.

Speaker 7 It's great white sharks. It's wolves.

Speaker 7 There's a pair of lions. And then

Speaker 7 there's the dragons.

Speaker 7 So it's actually four different underwear. They rotate.
And when you get to the postseason, you just go with who

Speaker 7 had the best season.

Speaker 1 And then you just go with that.

Speaker 1 We need some analytics next year.

Speaker 1 We'll run that for you. If you you want to have one of your

Speaker 1 GAs or someone just

Speaker 1 shoot Jake a note being like,

Speaker 1 Danny's wearing this tonight, and then we'll just run the stats and we'll put out a graphic after every game.

Speaker 1 He's 3-1 with the Zagans.

Speaker 1 He's 4-0 with the Wolves. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 They sent me a big box, too. There's like 100 pairs of them.
And some of them are boxers and bikinis, and they're all different sizes. I just don't know what to do with them.

Speaker 3 You got to wear the bikini went to Maui.

Speaker 7 Like, do I just take them and throw them out of the back of my truck?

Speaker 7 I don't know what I'm supposed to do with these underwears.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Coach.
Max, any last words? Because you've been the biggest loser in the month of March.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm a big loser. You're a big winner.

Speaker 1 That's basically all I have to say. Okay, all right.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
You're welcome for me rooting against you for everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so there it is.

Speaker 1 Thanks so much, Coach. We really appreciate it.
Appreciate it, Max.

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Speaker 3 And now, here's Kirk Goldsbury. And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our best friends, friends recurring guest teacher of young minds uh kirk goldsbury we're gonna talk a little nba playoffs we got to get a little preview going for the people uh the playoffs start in earnest on saturday we're gonna run this on friday let's start here though kirk playing games uh we saw on wednesday night demar de rosin's daughter diar de rozen maybe the greatest free throw defensive performance that a team a team has ever displayed she was screaming in every raptor's shot.

Speaker 1 They went 18 for 36 from the free throw line in a game that the Bulls won by like four points. Can you quantify what she did for the Bulls on Wednesday night?

Speaker 9 I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 9 But whatever happened, the free throws cost them that game. I think the Raptors, like you said, missed 18 free throws.

Speaker 9 And from our friends at ESPN and stats and info, that's the most in a winner-take-all playoff or play-in game, big cat, since the Lakers missed 19 in game seven of the 1969 NBA Finals.

Speaker 9 So historically bad, and you got to credit DeMar's little daughter for disrupting them at the line. What else can explain that?

Speaker 1 It was incredible.

Speaker 3 On kind of a halfway serious note from that, is there something that you can put together where you can quantify where teams overall are the worst at shooting free throws?

Speaker 3 Like, what is the hardest place to shoot a free throw in the NBA?

Speaker 9 You got to guess. I would guess it's road environments like Boston or Oklahoma City where the crowd's really loud.

Speaker 9 But yeah, that leads us back to DR, who, you know, that washed across my Twitter feed and I was like, whatever, this isn't.

Speaker 9 And then you click on it and that noise was legitimately upsetting and disruptive.

Speaker 9 You know, we're all human. beings.
Big Cat, you're the baller of the group. If you were shooting free throws, do you think that noise would get to you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, maybe it would help me because I'm not a great free throw shooter, but it was, it was crazy. It was like that, she's actually impacting the game here.

Speaker 1 I will not hear otherwise. You just said it.

Speaker 1 The most missed free throw since 1969 in an elimination game in the playoffs. That's insane.

Speaker 9 Yeah, and it was the sound in that quiet gym. It jumped off

Speaker 9 the speakers, I guess. But yeah,

Speaker 9 that's why I love the playoffs. I guess the play-in here.
You never know what's going to happen, guys. And that was just an unprecedented moment.

Speaker 1 So about the play-in,

Speaker 1 we had the take on Wednesday. In theory, I'm not opposed to the play-in.

Speaker 1 My problem with it is that the NBA playoffs usually go somewhat to script, that the top seeds usually advance, and it's very hard for a seven or eight seed.

Speaker 1 You know, eight seed, I think it's only happened like two or three times. One of them was an injury.
The other was a famous Dekembe Mutombo Nuggets team in a five-game series.

Speaker 1 So do any of these teams have a shot of making noise? And specifically the Lakers, because that feels like everyone's pick of like, hey, watch out. The Lakers are now in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Do they have a chance of going on a deep run?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think the Lakers are the obvious choice. And I know we'll talk a lot about them, big cat, but I love the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 9 You know, they have an all-NBA guard who was the best player in the game Wednesday night as the Thunder beat the Pelicans.

Speaker 9 And if I'm sitting there and I'm the Denver Nuggets, I'm not scared, but that looks like a tougher team to beat than a normal eighth seed.

Speaker 9 And certainly the Grizzlies are now looking at the Lakers as a seventh seed. In the East, I don't think it's very scary.

Speaker 9 I I don't think either the Bucs or Celtics, who are sitting there one and two, are worried about whoever comes out of this play-in tournament.

Speaker 9 But the West is a different story, and that's one of the big themes.

Speaker 9 The West is topsy-turvy, and the Lakers are emergent. The Warriors are emergent, and the Suns are emergent.

Speaker 9 Like some of the best teams in terms of the betting markets are at the bottom half of the bracket in part because they have dudes that we've seen win the finals.

Speaker 9 We've had all these finals MVPs in the bottom of the Western bracket. But the Lakers, to me, are the scariest team to ever come out of the play-in tournament.

Speaker 9 Does that mean they're going to the finals? Of course not. But geez, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, that's a pretty scary seven scene, don't you think?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 The long history, the vaunted history of the play-in tournament. The Lakers are the best team to emerge from that.
I think Patrick Beverly is the best player to emerge from the play-in tournament.

Speaker 3 Play in P.

Speaker 9 Well, I think

Speaker 9 Caruso, who reminds me of Matthew De Lavedova a little bit, PFT, I think he'd like that comp. But in all seriousness, the lineups that Chicago is good on defense now.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 the Beverly Caruso combo, they're able to mess with opposing backwards

Speaker 9 in a way that just disrupts things. And I think Caruso played incredible last night.

Speaker 9 Beverly gives every team he plays on that sort of personality implant that changes the vibe in every gym he walks into. And he's toughened up that Bulls defense.

Speaker 9 And that's their defining Trey going into Friday's game against Miami in Miami. And they could certainly win that with the way they played.

Speaker 3 Yeah, can you quantify how much of an impact Pat Bev actually makes? Because Russell Westbrook had the famous quote: Pat Bev trick y'all, man. Like he playing defense.
He don't guard nobody.

Speaker 3 He just runs around doing nothing. Does Patrick Beverly just run around doing nothing, or

Speaker 3 is he actually a good defensive player in crunch time?

Speaker 9 Both can be true. I think, PFD, the bark is louder than the bite in his case.
Analytically, he doesn't show up.

Speaker 9 But, man, you can't argue with some of the teams he's played on, how they've ramped up their defensive effectiveness with him on the court, analytically, and with the I test.

Speaker 9 I think the Bulls have a pretty low ceiling this year,

Speaker 9 but that ceiling's higher than it was before he got there. I think he's added a toughness.
That defense is starting to jump off the page.

Speaker 9 Simply put, it's one of the best defenses in the NBA in the last.

Speaker 9 few weeks. And I think that has a lot to do with him and Caruso being healthy.
It's too bad they don't have Lonzo Ball.

Speaker 9 But it's also a major accomplishment, Big Cat, because your team with Vucavic, Levine, and DeMar, you're telling me that's somehow a decent defense.

Speaker 9 That's one of the biggest upsets of the second half of the NBA season. And PFT, I give credit to Beverly and Caruso for that, not to mention the coaches, obviously.

Speaker 1 I do always feel bad when Vuc gets stuck in a pick and roll out on the perimeter and you're like,

Speaker 1 there's a 50-50 chance he trips over his own feet here. So

Speaker 1 let's stick with, let's do a little east talk.

Speaker 1 The Bucs, I think everyone expects them to be there, at least to the conference final. The Celtics and Sixers, let's start with the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Hank's not in the room right now, but I feel like I've heard a prevailing theory that maybe the Celtics are better when Marcus Smart isn't on the court.

Speaker 1 Is there anything to back up that anecdotal feeling? And what kind of has happened? Like with, you know, last year he was defensive player of the year.

Speaker 1 This year, I think he's had some injuries, but it does feel a little different than it did last year.

Speaker 9 Yeah, the short answer is Malcolm Brogdon, who they brought in in the offseason, and he's great, and he is a nice player to have.

Speaker 9 And they have Derek White, Malcolm Brogdon, and now Marcus Smart fighting for those slots in the backcourt, Big Cat.

Speaker 9 And I think, you know, they're both better offensive players, Brogdon and White, than Marcus Smart is right now.

Speaker 9 And none of them are going to win defensive player of the year like Marcus did last year.

Speaker 9 But they're pretty good on that end.

Speaker 9 But to answer your question, and this is going to be a theme today, the regular season and the playoffs are different animals.

Speaker 9 What this team has with Marcus, Malcolm, and Derek in the backcourt is flexibility. There are going to be matchups that Marcus is going to be the right answer.
There's going to be moments when

Speaker 9 Derek and Malcolm are the right answer.

Speaker 9 And so one of the things I'm watching with the Celtics, who have a great shot to come out of the East, is how Missoula, their first year coach, is going to use their rotations against certain teams.

Speaker 9 Because as you know, there's only five guys allowed on the court at any given time. And the Celtics are pretty deep.
The back court's only part of that. But how is Marcus going to fit in?

Speaker 9 He's going to start, but who's going to finish and why? That's a big set of questions for the Celtics going into this playoff season.

Speaker 3 What teams in the East are built for the regular season that have the biggest likelihood of sliding back in a seven-game series, as opposed to like, is there another team out there that was not built for the regular season that is definitely built for the playoffs?

Speaker 9 The obvious answer here is the one that has James Harden on it.

Speaker 9 And that's a tough reality.

Speaker 4 That's a tough reality.

Speaker 9 But until we see it, PFT, you know, it's fair to hang that on him a little bit. And if there's one player and one team who has sort of a legacy at stake this postseason,

Speaker 9 it's the Philadelphia 76ers. And the other one I would say is Doc Rivers is part of that.
It's not just James. Doc Rivers hasn't been a great playoff coach in the last five, 10 years either.

Speaker 9 And so that's the obvious answer. I love this Sixers team.
Obviously, Embiid might be the best player in the league. It's either him or Giannis, probably on both ends of the court.

Speaker 9 But yeah, those dudes have a lot at stake. And if there's one team that we can't really count on in this group of top Eastern teams going into this playoffs, it's fair to say that's Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 What about the opposite of that? What's one team that is, you know, maybe they sleptwalked a little bit in the regular season, but come playoff time, they can flip the switch.

Speaker 9 I wouldn't say they sleptwalk because Giannis is incredible, but Chris Middleton was not there for most of the season. And Chris Middleton is one of the big X factors in this playoffs.

Speaker 9 The last time this team was whole in the playoffs, they won the NBA championship. I think there's something like 27 and 5, 28 and 5 since Middleton's come back.

Speaker 9 The Milwaukee Bucks did not sleepwalk through anything, but their ceiling is very obviously the championship if they're healthy.

Speaker 9 And last time they were healthy, as I mentioned, they can beat anybody.

Speaker 9 So I think that would be my answer. I also love this Cleveland Cavaliers team.

Speaker 9 I think they're really great on defense, but they also have that Donovan Mitchell factor and Darius Garland in the back court that can score on anyone in crunch time.

Speaker 9 And so I'm really eager to see how they do.

Speaker 9 I don't think they're at the status of Milwaukee or Boston yet, guys. But that team, I'm buying stock on them winning a title in the 2020s.
Oh, wow. And

Speaker 9 they

Speaker 9 they could surprise this year. Yeah.
And that happens in the playoffs sometimes. You get ahead of schedule, like that Thunder team in 2011.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 2010, I should say.

Speaker 1 The interesting thing with the Cavs is,

Speaker 1 I mean, I love the storyline. Donovan Mitchell, you know, with the Knicks, it looked like it was going to happen.
Didn't happen.

Speaker 1 He is the quintessential guy who can win you a game, but can also lose you a game by trying to win you a game too hard.

Speaker 1 That series specifically should be great. Is there anything to be said for I love Tibbs as a coach, but I witnessed this and felt this personally,

Speaker 1 that he gets the most out of his guys in the regular season.

Speaker 1 And then when you get to the playoffs, finding that extra gear, kind of like what PFT and you guys were talking about there with the Bucs, finding that extra gear, there is no extra gear for the Knicks.

Speaker 1 They are what they are. They tried really hard.
They always give max effort.

Speaker 1 In February, it can win you a lot of games, but come April, May, June, there's not that extra gear that they can find and beat some of these elite teams.

Speaker 9 Yeah, a couple of things I'll say that.

Speaker 9 First of all, if I was in New York City over the next couple of weeks, I'd get to Madison Square Garden because playoff basketball there, guys, is special.

Speaker 9 It is one of my favorite things on the planet. So please, at least one of you, go to one of those games.
I think Knicks emergence. Now, they landed at five.
This is a successful season.

Speaker 9 The Jalen Brunson acquisition has been great.

Speaker 9 Their offense is very good, but I'm not picking them to win their first round series because they're playing just a stacked Cavs team, and that's a tough four seed.

Speaker 9 I think you got to look forward as the Knicks are going from bad to good, this sort of being a transitional year. We're a first-round playoff team.
I think they have a lot to build on.

Speaker 9 Tibbs has that reputation, and it's fair. He uses his starting group a lot.

Speaker 9 But this team has a little depth, and the bench players in the backcourt can make things happen. I wouldn't be shocked if they win.
But I think the Cavs are the right choice there.

Speaker 3 What about the Miami Heat? Are they officially dead? I think we pronounce them dead. Like the entire

Speaker 3 culture died.

Speaker 9 Dude, it's so hard. It's so hard to rule these guys out.
I think there's a world where three weeks from now, we're still talking about them because they somehow pulled themselves out of

Speaker 9 this grave that seems like they're in. But doesn't it seem like it, you know, it seems like they got their butts kicked on the glass in a way that a Miami team just doesn't get.
that doesn't happen.

Speaker 9 And it wasn't exactly Dennis Rodman out there. Clint Capella is a great player.
The Hawks for a talented front court, but that was a butt whipping on the glass.

Speaker 9 They need to have more from Bam Attabio going forward. And Jimmy Butler didn't have it going.
They need more Tyler Harrow.

Speaker 9 But yeah, if they lose to this Chicago team, I think it's time to change some things in Miami. And I think whatever era we just watched, which is undeniably successful guys getting to the finals.

Speaker 9 might have to might have to end and they might have to make some big changes. So heat culture, I think, can survive regime changes and personnel turnover.

Speaker 9 I do think it starts with Riley and Spolstra, and I do have a lot of respect for that organization, guys. But yeah, it seems like we're at the end of a personnel run here if they lose.

Speaker 3 Duncan Robinson needs more minutes. That's what I'm hearing from you.

Speaker 9 Duncan Robinson is one of the best catch and shoot guys in the league, but I don't think they've liked what they've seen when he's been on the court.

Speaker 9 So I'll trust Eric Spolstra with the lineup stuff, but this team just might not have enough power to get through

Speaker 9 the first round, even the play-in tournament.

Speaker 1 Okay, so out in the West,

Speaker 1 couple questions, a couple teams I want to touch on.

Speaker 1 I want you to make a prediction about how the Suns are the greatest offensive team you've ever seen, just so that they can lose in the first round, and we can laugh at you. But let's start with them.

Speaker 1 They have, when Kevin Durant has been healthy, they have, I think they haven't lost. Now, is that their competition, or is that this team is that scary and

Speaker 1 you feel most confident backing them in the West playoffs?

Speaker 9 I think the definitive theme of the Western Conference this year is WTF.

Speaker 9 I don't think I'll ever come on here with you guys in another postseason preview and just throw out this kind of concept that the West is drunk. Nobody has any idea what's happening.

Speaker 9 You can't make sense of the regular season numbers. Look, I use regular season numbers to try to predict, but the Suns weren't the Suns.
The Lakers weren't the Lakers until very late in the season.

Speaker 9 They're two of the betting favorites now to come out of the West.

Speaker 9 And the Warriors haven't been right all year. So it's topsy-turvy.
I will predict that the Suns are going to come out of the West. It hinges on Kevin Durant's health.

Speaker 9 He is such an incredible scorer, big cat. He's the first scorer in NBA history to put up 55, 40, 90 numbers for a season.
He's just insane.

Speaker 9 He can get shots against any defender in the league and convert them at a high rate. You factor in the fact they also have.

Speaker 9 Devin Booker and Chris Paul and DeAndre Ayton, TJ Warren, some nice supporting pieces. They deserve to be the favorites, but it all hinges on the health of one dude.

Speaker 9 And that's, that's obviously Durant. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What about our kings, our beloved kings up in Sacramento? Um, they, they had a great regular season.

Speaker 3 I feel like people are, are like patting the kings on the head and being like, that was really cute, what you guys did. Great job.
I'm proud of you guys. But are they actually a threat?

Speaker 3 Are the kings a threat to come out of the west?

Speaker 9 PFT, what do the enchiladas and moss t-shirts say?

Speaker 3 Never trust a skinny cook.

Speaker 9 One of our favorite sayings down here in Austin. And I say, never trust a thin defense.
And that's exactly what the Sacramento Kings are this season. They are the best offense in the league.

Speaker 9 Credit to them. Credit to Mike Brown, Darren Fox.
The bonus have been great. They're the number 24th ranked defense.
And simply said, I've never seen a defense ranked that low do much in the playoffs.

Speaker 9 Add in, they got obviously a horrible draw in the Western Conference first round against the defending champs and one of the dynasties of recent pro basketball history.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 it's, I'm not ruling them out by any means, but they got to get stops. They got to show me stuff on defense they haven't been able to show me this season.

Speaker 9 I just think the West, especially the lower half of the bracket, is so, look, I think it's 10 of the last 11 finals MVPs guys

Speaker 9 are in four through eight seeds in the West right now. So you have dudes like Durant.
Curry, Kawhi, and LeBron. These aren't typical four, five, six, seven seeds.

Speaker 9 And that's what this unproven top tier in the West that includes Sacramento, that includes a banged up Memphis team, and that includes an unproven Nuggets team is staring at.

Speaker 9 It's not a normal year in part because they're unproven, but in part because that bottom half of the bracket is the Illuminati.

Speaker 9 And they're going to run into tough matchups earlier in their playoff runs than they would in normal years.

Speaker 1 So about the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 Could we go with maybe the theory that it looks like Embiid is the MVP? So now the pressure is off because there has been some backlash to Jokic winning.

Speaker 1 It looked like for a while there he's going to win his third straight MVP, and they haven't done much in the playoffs. Is this any different than the past few years for the Nuggets?

Speaker 1 Like, what is, if you're a Nuggets fan, how are you gearing up for the playoffs mentally saying, no, it's not going to be another disappointing second-round exit?

Speaker 9 Well, you're the one seed, and I would say this about any one seed. If you're the one seed, you're slated to go to the finals.

Speaker 9 If the seeds hold at worst conference finals, If this team doesn't get to the Western conference finals, big cat, it's a disappointment.

Speaker 9 And it's a particularly powerful disappointment for a team that's failed to get over the hump with an MVP for the last few years.

Speaker 9 Now, they have a very good excuse that their supporting cast has been just destroyed with injuries in some of these previous runs.

Speaker 9 Still said they're the number one seed, and it's fair to hang that big conference finals expectation on them. And again, I go back to the bizarre nature of this playoff bracket.

Speaker 9 Their second round opponent is likely going to be somebody like Kevin Durant and the Suns or Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers, not a normal second round opponent.

Speaker 9 And there's a world where they get bounced in the second round. And at that point, it's

Speaker 9 almost like I'm trying to think of an NFL example, like those Bills teams. At that, in the Jim Kelly era, it's like you just can't do it, guys.
You can get close, but you just can't.

Speaker 9 They're going to start getting that reputation, fair or not. That's the industry I work in.
And people are going to start saying that this team can't get it done when it matters most.

Speaker 9 And that's unfortunately what's at stake for them this year if they can't make a big, deep run towards the finals.

Speaker 1 Are they

Speaker 1 healthier? Do you have

Speaker 1 any

Speaker 1 confidence whatsoever in them being able to handle a Clippers or Suns team in the second round?

Speaker 9 More than I have when they were always injured. I think they're pretty deep this time around.

Speaker 9 Their offense is going to score against anybody, and Jokic can score against anybody as a scorer himself, or obviously as a playmaker. You add Michael Porter Jr., Jamal Murray.

Speaker 9 They have a core of guys that's going to score. The big questions, like with Sacramento, are on the other side of the court.

Speaker 9 Are they going to be able to get stops against this Suns team that includes like potentially three Hall of Famers in the starting five, including a great point guard, the best shooter in the league

Speaker 9 and Kevin Durant, the best scorer in the league, I should say, best shooter, Steph Curry.

Speaker 9 And also Devin Booker. When Devin Booker is your second option, I mean, that's terrifying.

Speaker 9 And my big question for Denver: is that defense going to be able to stop a team like that in the second round? I think that's where I'm zeroing in. And I'm not confident they will be, big cat.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You worked with Kawhi in San Antonio. You saw him get ready for the playoffs.
Does he ever get amped up? Does he ever, is he ever fired up going into even like some of the biggest games of his career?

Speaker 3 Or is he 100% across the board just like flatlining, just a robot?

Speaker 9 I don't like what people call him a robot because I've seen him do incredible things as a human being that

Speaker 9 defied expectations that prove that he was up for the moment. The ones that stick out to me are the early in his career, the defensive performances against LeBron James.

Speaker 9 Nobody in the world expected him to do that.

Speaker 9 So obviously his preparation, his mentality, and you can't, he's a lot like Tim Duncan in the sense that no trash talker in Duncan's Day with his garnett is going to get through to Kawhi.

Speaker 9 Pat Bev can get under almost anybody's skin. He's not going to annoy Kawhi.
And I do think that's one of his best traits is that

Speaker 9 as intense as these games can be in the springtime in the NBA, Kawhi is unflappable. And people call him a robot, whatever.
But like to me, he's obviously prepared.

Speaker 9 He's one of the best postseason players when he's healthy. Look at what he did in 2019.
Look at what he did for 2014 Spurs. He has that in him.
And obviously they've been bitten by the injury bug too.

Speaker 9 The Clippers with Paul George, likely to miss this whole first round series. But the Clippers are also a very dangerous team with or without Paul George.

Speaker 9 If Kawhi Leonard is, if you're telling me he's playing his best basketball, he hasn't lost many playoff series when he's done that. Yeah.
And so I think it's a very dangerous team.

Speaker 3 I guess when I call him a robot, normally I would be using that as like, you know, an insult to somebody. But with Kawhi, I think maybe we just need to rebrand like he's an assassin.

Speaker 1 Just cold blood. And

Speaker 9 yeah,

Speaker 9 there's something weird about his, his, his, his demeanor. I'll give you that.
It's very unusual. He's not a very vocal leader, obviously.

Speaker 9 But it's terrifying. It's terrifying for every team he plays against because I love his game on offense now.
He deserves a lot of credit. Because here's what I'd say about him.

Speaker 9 When we had him in San Antonio, he was in the midst of probably the most impressive player development arc I've ever seen.

Speaker 9 going from a guy who quote unquote couldn't shoot go back and read the scouting reports when he came out of the draft a can't shoot Worst shooter in his position group in his class.

Speaker 9 Now he's one of the best mid-range scorers on the planet. Can hit threes, off the dribble, has these little half hooks, can finish, can dunk.

Speaker 9 Obviously, he has that historic game-winning baseline shot over Embiid in the 2019 playoffs. He is built for playoff war.

Speaker 9 And if you want to call an assassin, I think that's a better fit, PFT, because he can go out and win a game or a series with his scoring. And obviously his defense, everybody knows about that too.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So defense has been a theme in this conversation, obviously talking about the Nuggets and the Kings and their defensive inefficiencies.

Speaker 1 Not statistically speaking, but more in your trust factor. Who are the top two defenses in each East and West? Because, like, you could possibly say the Warriors, even though

Speaker 1 they've been terrible on the road, but those guys all know each other so well and the way they rotate and everything. So who are the two teams that you trust most defensively in the East and the West?

Speaker 9 Well, I'll answer the question and I'll answer it, but excuse East, big cat, because you're going to make me not say Cleveland, and they're probably the third best defense in these playoffs.

Speaker 9 So I'm going to say I've seen Boston and I've seen Milwaukee play great defense in the postseason. I'm waiting for Cleveland to show it to me, and I bet they will.

Speaker 9 So I'm going to say, just for this, if you're giving me Giannis and Baruch Lopez and Drew Holiday in a playoff series, I'm taking them. That defense is just talk about stacked, everybody.

Speaker 9 And they know each other. They have that familiar chemistry.

Speaker 9 They can predict where each other.

Speaker 9 So Milwaukee and then Boston, we've seen them um boston by the way one of three teams in the last 25 years to finish in both top two offense and top two defense in the regular season the other two are the warriors teams uh that won it all so that that's a big sign for the boston defense and then on the other side one of the hot take answers is the lakers yeah and if you look at the lakers since the trade deadline they've been the best defense in the western conference big cat and so when they want it all in the bubble uh again which i know you guys have a strong

Speaker 1 I don't count that. It doesn't count.
Don't recall. Doesn't count.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 1 COVID?

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 9 COVID's over.

Speaker 9 The Lakers' defense. And I'll throw, geez, it's tough to find a second one, which might be the takeaway.
It's Memphis, but they're banged up.

Speaker 9 Memphis built around Jaron Jackson, who is the human personal foul, but also the best rim protector when he's able to stay in games.

Speaker 9 But the big thing with Memphis' defense is without Stephen Jackson and without Brandon Clark, we're both out.

Speaker 9 Jaron Jackson has to stay out of foul trouble or else we're going to see dudes like Xavier Tillman or Kenneth Lofton, our favorite, trying to stop LeBron in A.D.

Speaker 9 So I don't know if I trust that one because of injury problems, but the right answer is Los Angeles and Memphis on the West.

Speaker 1 When you say Lakers, I know that

Speaker 1 all the numbers say it, but is it fair to say that LeBron might be the weak link on their defense? Because

Speaker 1 maybe it's just he knows how to coast, but there were times on Tuesday night where he was just standing in the paint and his guy was standing out on the three-point line getting free threes.

Speaker 1 Like he just doesn't, sometimes it feels like he takes quarters or possessions, long stretches where he's like, I'm not going to play defense.

Speaker 1 I'm going to focus on offense and I'll worry about the defense later. Is it fair to say, though, that he would be the weak link defensively for them? Which is crazy.

Speaker 9 It's the right question. It reminds me of playing pickup and somebody talks to you into playing that fourth or fifth game and you just can't move anymore.
And that's what defense looks like.

Speaker 9 I was shocked to see LeBron's defense in that playing game.

Speaker 9 The greatest play of LeBron's career remains a defensive play. He can still guard almost anyone, but it looks like he's coasting.
And that's your word. And I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 9 I'm not saying he's the weak link, but it is age, with his mileage, and what we saw.

Speaker 9 this week in the playing game, it's fair to question whether he's going to have that sort of defensive stamina that he's had in years past, where he was, in many cases, the best defensive player in a series like this.

Speaker 9 He's probably not. Anthony Davis is a great deodorant on the backside for that team.
He'll clean up a lot of the messes. But yeah, LeBron, as a defender, probably not what he was in his peak.

Speaker 3 It's interesting because you can spin that and say, well, if their weak leak on defense is LeBron James, they're pretty fucking good defense.

Speaker 9 Well, they put this, yeah, they put this up, PFT, with the they put up these incredible record 19 and 9 since the trade deadline.

Speaker 9 That's 68% winning percentage. We'll be better than every team in the league except Milwaukee and Boston over the course of the year.

Speaker 9 But what a lot of people forget is they did that without LeBron in most of the games. That's to me the scariest thing.

Speaker 9 It's like, okay, now you're adding LeBron, the quote-unquote weekly link on defense to a team that was really good after the trade deadline. So I think when people joke about ESPN loving the Lakers,

Speaker 9 dude, LeBron's been to nine of the last 12 finals. It's not like a hot take to say that they might have a run in him here.

Speaker 9 He wins his conference more than he doesn't since like 2010. So, you know, the top of the West is

Speaker 9 sketchy. And if you're Durant or if you're Kawhi or if you're Steph, and certainly if you're LeBron James, you're not afraid of those top three seeds.

Speaker 9 So I think it's just a fascinating bracket in the Western Conference. And LeBron James might be the most interesting person in the whole thing.

Speaker 3 Well, I heard two things. I heard that if their weak link is LeBron James on defense, that's pretty good for the Lakers.
It is.

Speaker 3 And I also heard that the Lakers might be better without LeBron James because they're so good since the trade deadline when he hasn't been playing.

Speaker 3 Actually, it was the 23 most important games of LeBron James' career in that by sitting out, he made his team better. Yeah, he really pulled out all the stuff.

Speaker 3 He went zero dark 30 on the court this time.

Speaker 9 I totally forgot about that quote, but it sort of rings true. And maybe, you know, he sat out because he had to, but but the team like got into shape and became good.
And now they have him.

Speaker 9 I think those were among the most, at least in late era LeBron history, like they're a scary team. They were not a scary team in January.
They were a bad team. I just started two and 10.

Speaker 9 They were terrible. Now they're scary.

Speaker 1 I just want him to be washed up. It's not fair.
He's fucking going to be 39. Like, he can't.
Come on, dude. He can't keep doing this.
He can't keep getting away with this.

Speaker 9 I love it. To me, it reminds me of an old school Brady season.
I mean, old school, like six years ago when he was 39 or whatever.

Speaker 9 You're going to be sad when it's gone. It's not going to give you guys the content that you want when he's gone.

Speaker 9 And this could be literally one of the most important postseasons of his incredible career if he's able to make noise and get this team over.

Speaker 9 But, you know, he's the all-time leading scorer. He's not even known as a scorer.
He's an incredible playmaker, a great defender when he has the juice.

Speaker 9 And Memphis is just the one thing I'm looking at, I'll bring it back to Jaron Jackson, is if LeBron and AD can do anything on offense, it's pressure the heck out of the rim.

Speaker 9 Jaron Jackson is the best rim protector in the league, and he's the most

Speaker 9 important person in that series, guys, because I said he's always in foul trouble.

Speaker 9 Their defensive front court is thinned out because of the injuries I mentioned to Jackson, Stephen and Adams, I should say, and to Brandon Clark.

Speaker 9 But if they get Jaron Jackson in foul trouble with and LeBron's getting whistles, because you guys know this stat too, that free throw differential stat I've heard you guys throw around, that's a real thing.

Speaker 9 They get whistles. Sometimes you can say it's conspiracy, but others say it's just because they pressure the rim and they're very difficult to guard.

Speaker 9 Either way, Jaron Jackson's foul trouble is the thing to watch with that series. If he's able to play 40 minutes a game, I like Memphis.
If he's in foul trouble, I'll take the Lakers.

Speaker 3 So officially, the Kirk Goldsbury notice is you're putting the Grizzlies on notice?

Speaker 9 I'm putting the Grizzlies on upset notice, PFT. Okay.
In part because I love Stephen Adams, who is like the fullback of the NBA. He is an

Speaker 9 incredible rebounder. And this team did two things.
Memphis Grizzlies, aside from defense on offense, they did two things very well with Adams. They were great in transition.
That's still there.

Speaker 9 But they led the league in second chance points because he was the best offensive rebounder in the league.

Speaker 9 Without him, they're struggling in their half-court offense because they don't have those second chance points.

Speaker 9 And I just, you know,

Speaker 9 I wish they were whole because they were so good. Um, but but with this thinned-out version, the Lakers have a real chat of upsetting them in this 7-2 matchup.

Speaker 1 Okay, so uh, my last question: We did you kind of dirty last year. Rashi, you did yourself dirty when you said the Nets were the best offense you've ever seen.

Speaker 1 It was maybe two years ago, and then they got bounced from the playoffs. So, I'll let you do

Speaker 1 a finals prediction, and I'll let you do a backup finals prediction. And then, if either of them become true, we will post it.
Our word, we will post it and be like, look, Kirk is a genius.

Speaker 1 He got it right. He did it again.
Holy shit. So first finals prediction.

Speaker 9 First finals prediction is a 2021 rematch. Bucks, sons, and I love both teams, assuming health.
Chris Middleton, I'm watching.

Speaker 9 Gosh, got to get through the first, second, third, fourth rounds if they're going to win the title. Chris Middleton is a hugely important piece.
We've gone over that.

Speaker 9 Same, obviously, with Durant and Chris Paul. I think if either of those guys has to miss games, which is reasonable to expect, unfortunately, that Sun's prediction would fall apart pretty fast.

Speaker 9 There's just too many other teams out there

Speaker 9 that can beat them. So

Speaker 9 my first is Sun's Bucks, and I'd take the Bucs in that matchup.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then your second prediction that we will put out there if Sun's Bucks doesn't happen.

Speaker 9 My second prediction, and I'll pause so you can edit it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let me reset.

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Speaker 9 Well, thanks for sending me all the Rowback. I'm going to go with a 2022 finals rematch of the Celtics and Warriors.
I mean, I just, I think that this season has been one big sort of mirage.

Speaker 9 And these are the two best teams in the league. So I'm going to go Celtics and Warriors.
And this time, guys, I'm taking the Celtics.

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Speaker 3 Who do you have in the NBA finals this year? And who do you think is going to win?

Speaker 9 Great question. I'm glad you asked me, PFT.
And without a doubt, I think this year's finals is going to be a battle of these MVP big men. It's going to be the 76ers against the Nuggets.
Wow.

Speaker 9 Embiid Jokic. Centers are back.
I have an article on ESPN talking about it. Centers are back.
And I'm taking Joelle Embiid and the Sixers to win their first title since 1983.

Speaker 9 So ending a 40-year drought, you can just book it. It's a solid NBA Finals prediction right there.

Speaker 3 They should bet the MVP on that series if it does come down to like Jokic going up against Embiid.

Speaker 1 It's like winner against the MVP.

Speaker 9 I mean, I still don't understand why the MVP is awarded for the regular season. I get it.

Speaker 9 It's a regular season award, but the one that really gets me going is there's this new clutch award that they're handing out for regular season. And I'm like, can we at least

Speaker 9 hang on to that one? Yeah. Until we see Ray Allen make a shot or Kyrie Irving hit a shot in game seven.
Be like, you know, who was the most touch player this season?

Speaker 9 Yeah, the guy who won the finals with a three-point shot. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. but so, but I agree with you.
If those guys mate in the finals, A, it's great for centers.

Speaker 9 And B, they should just play for the MVP trophy.

Speaker 3 Great idea.

Speaker 1 So, Kirk, my last question. It's been a chaotic NBA season.
What's your chaotic NBA finals prediction?

Speaker 9 Oh, without a doubt, it would be the Cleveland Cavaliers playing. Are you ready for this, guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 The Memphis Grizzlies. Oh,

Speaker 9 the NBA's dream come true series.

Speaker 1 Cleveland versus Memphis.

Speaker 3 I would actually love to see the Cavs versus the Lakers in the finals. How cool!

Speaker 1 Oh, that would rule.

Speaker 9 There are some potential great matchups.

Speaker 9 I mean, obviously, Celtics, Lakers is in play, and they would be battling for the 19th banner because they're both hanging there at 18, and that would be a cool thing.

Speaker 9 I think it's either 18 or 19. They're both sitting on the same number, 17 or 18, forgive me, but that would be cool.
Anytime you can get...

Speaker 9 you know, Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant, or LeBron James in the final, the leagues and the casual fans are thrilled.

Speaker 9 And, you know, I think the top of the East,

Speaker 9 you can't go wrong with the top three or four teams in the East getting the finals.

Speaker 1 I'm now rooting for the Kings Cavs. Oh, I'm rooting for Kings Cavs.
I'm rooting for the Nets. How awesome would that be if this year

Speaker 1 the Nets are great? Yeah, we named every team in the NBA except for the Nets.

Speaker 9 I actually think this year's Nets is the best offense in history.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Kurt.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. I'm sure we'll talk to you as the playoffs progress, but we appreciate your time as always, man.

Speaker 9 Thank you guys for having me on. Enjoy the games.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 Again, we have our hockey preview coming on Monday. If everyone would please tweet Ryan Whitney over the weekend saying don't bail on PMT, that would help.
Just be like, don't be a scumbag.

Speaker 1 Don't bail on PMT.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that ought to do it. Yeah.
Maybe make fun of him a little bit too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he is, yeah, we're going to do a hockey preview for Monday, which we're very excited about. This is, I know that maybe I'm just,

Speaker 1 I love sports.

Speaker 1 I love all sports, but like, and I know I say this all the time, like, this is the best time of year, but this starts to, like, when both first rounds are going and you have like seven playoff games every single night for that two-week stretch, it fucking rules.

Speaker 3 Playoff hockey is the best.

Speaker 1 Playoff hockey overtime.

Speaker 3 It's just different.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Especially when it's like every night, because every night there will be two games back-to-back.
One of them is going to go to overtime. And then you just can't, you can't replicate that.

Speaker 1 Hold on to your butt. Are you a little nervous about the Islanders?

Speaker 1 Because that would be quite unfortunate for me.

Speaker 1 Because you know. No, I'm all in on this team.
This team is different. They're the greatest hockey team I've ever watched in the regular season.
They're the greatest regular season team of all time.

Speaker 1 They're going to dominate. They're going to run through these playoffs.

Speaker 3 This sounds like it would be a historic choke job if you guys didn't win the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 5 Sounds like an 18-1 scenario.

Speaker 1 Where's Memes? Is he listening right now?

Speaker 3 He's not the Islanders or the Panthers, by the way. He's not

Speaker 3 going to be able to get him.

Speaker 1 If it is Islanders, Bruins, we'll have to have a one-minute recap for memes after every game, but I just want to see what his thought is

Speaker 1 if he thinks they could actually beat the Bruins. We'll know right away.
His face will tell us. It's the playoffs.
It's the playoffs. They could have hot goalie.

Speaker 1 Don't the Islanders have a really good goalie?

Speaker 3 Yeah, listen, if the Islanders goalie stands on his head, you're not afraid of him standing on his head, Hank?

Speaker 1 No. I'd be.

Speaker 4 Best. Got an all-time Twitter notes app from a one-seed losing in the first round.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 With the lightning. That's true.

Speaker 1 What is it again?

Speaker 1 Memes, we're talking about the hockey playoffs. And what is it? If the Panthers win tonight?

Speaker 1 Panthers win, they face the Hurricanes. Okay, and if they lose, then you guys.

Speaker 4 I don't think they can get a point. I'm not sure.
Okay. Yeah, they could get a point.

Speaker 1 So if they get one point,

Speaker 1 you guys are facing the Bruins. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you think you can beat the Bruins? Anything's possible, but the Bruins. Okay, that's a no.
All right, thank you, memes. Thank you, memes.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, when that series does happen, we'll have you do a minute recap after every game.
You guys have a good goalie, though.

Speaker 1 Goalie's a stud. Right.

Speaker 3 Goalie's a stud. That's all you need.

Speaker 1 Worst power play in the league. Power play is important.
Yeah. The goalie's a stud.

Speaker 1 It's the playoffs now.

Speaker 3 It's different. New season.

Speaker 1 New season. Playoff hockey is best.

Speaker 1 I really hope the Panthers lose. Oh, okay.
All right. So that even tells us even more that you got no shot against the Bruins.

Speaker 4 No shot.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Okay.
All right. Thank you, Memes.

Speaker 1 I was hoping he would have a little bit of.

Speaker 3 He's realistic. Memes is electric.

Speaker 1 What do you guys say? What do you got, Memes? What are lesson? She's not over. Hopefully, the Panthers lose.
Okay, all right. So, yeah, that's a no-shot.

Speaker 1 That was a vote of no confidence right there in the Islanders beating the Bruins.

Speaker 3 Memes definitely thinks in memes instead of words. Yeah.
If you were to ask him to give a meme of what he thinks about the first round,

Speaker 3 it would paint a thousand times more clear of a picture than what he just said.

Speaker 1 When we asked him,

Speaker 1 the Islanders versus the Bruins thoughts, he was just doing the Michael Scott. No.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's got another one. He's got another one.

Speaker 1 And if the Panthers lose, the Islanders could potentially play the Rangers. Oh,

Speaker 1 I would love that.

Speaker 1 That would devastate you, though.

Speaker 1 What? If you lost to the Rangers. Oh, yeah, that would suck.
Okay. Yeah.
But if you eliminate them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you beat them, that would rule.

Speaker 3 Oh, it'd be the best. Can you describe your playoff opportunity, your chances in a meme?

Speaker 1 In a meme?

Speaker 3 What about Alonzo Morning shaking his head no, and then, hmm, maybe.

Speaker 1 Jim Carrey, Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, you're saying there's a chance.

Speaker 3 Or the one where Jeff Daniels shits into the toilet and dumb and dumber. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a chance, but better chance if the Panthers lose. Okay.
All right, okay. So you guys are going to get steamrolled by the Bruins.
Yes. That's yes.
Okay, all right, Firefest.

Speaker 1 That was our pre-hockey preview.

Speaker 3 Sometimes more potent than the actual pre-host. Yes.
Hank, Firefest of the Week.

Speaker 1 I think you guys can guess what it is

Speaker 1 at that time of year. What? Taxes.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I thought it was going to be shorts for sure.

Speaker 1 Dude, you got to get on the Festival. No, shorts are back.

Speaker 3 Firefest are. Yeah, it's never a Firefest.

Speaker 1 You got to get yourself on the extension. I've been living on the extension for like six years now.
Because if you get on it once, then you just stay on it.

Speaker 3 Then October 15th becomes your new tax day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It also depends on like I'm on the extension for a real reason, but I think you could probably just ask for an extension.

Speaker 3 Wait, what's your real reason?

Speaker 1 Swansea.

Speaker 1 They released the whatever it is, K-1s.

Speaker 1 Way later, and so they put me on

Speaker 1 the extension.

Speaker 3 Hank, you probably don't even have to pay taxes, though. You probably got a tax guy.

Speaker 1 Well, I do.

Speaker 1 They've been asking me for a tax. Is it Jersey, Jerry? Oh, they've been asking me for documents, and it's kind of like like they're like, if I don't send them what they need, then they can't do them.

Speaker 1 I've sent it to them today, but it's like, fuck.

Speaker 3 Taxes are pretty much optional, anyways. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just don't like them. Not a fan.
No, they suck.

Speaker 1 They should just make it automatic. I guess it kind of is out of your paycheck.
Yeah. But that's the thing.
Then

Speaker 1 it's not. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You remember when you went like seven years without paying your taxes? Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 That's false. Well, no.

Speaker 3 Seven years without filing your taxes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he was going to get paid money back. There was one year,

Speaker 1 hypothetically,

Speaker 1 as a bit.

Speaker 1 You forgot? Oh, I totally did. Was that a forgetful thing? IRS is listening.
Was that a forgetful thing? We have to have some AWLs in the IRS. They have to be listening to this right now.
Help us out.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, let us know what we can do. If they're looking, they're going to check the books, and it's going to be like a plus next to my name.
Like, oh, we actually owe him.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what I was making no money, and I would get money back on my taxes. So, but I did them.
That's a joke. You like paid extra money to the government, they owe you money, right?

Speaker 1 They do, yeah.

Speaker 3 Let's do something about it, Billy. You know, any buildings we could we could approach to talk about this?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, a couple.

Speaker 3 There's one, there's a couple,

Speaker 1 uh, but yeah, just fuck taxes forever. Yeah, all right, agreed, but we pay them on this show, saying,

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying this show as a show, we pay them, right? We don't like them, but we pay them because we're adults. Yes, Max is shaking his head.
That makes me think he's not paying his taxes.

Speaker 1 You're not paying your taxes? No, I am. I just don't like paying them.
Have you ever not paid them? No, I pay them every time, but I

Speaker 1 don't. I always, whatever.

Speaker 1 Okay, good answer. Philly? It's a bad week.
There's a lot of people listening to me like, fuck.

Speaker 5 My taxes were easy this year, which means that they sucked. I mean, if they like took all the money.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 I didn't even thought about filing these taxes yet.

Speaker 1 Well, we have good news. Yeah, it's an extension till Monday at least, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I feel like tax day has been on a weekend weekend for the last several years. Yeah, been a hot streak.
All you have to do is just be like, hey, can I have an extension? And then they say yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 And then you don't have to worry about it for six months. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But then that's football season.

Speaker 3 Just tougher. That is tougher.

Speaker 1 But then you have to go through the process of filing the extension, and then you may as well just do your taxes if you're going through the future. True, good point.
Good point. Good point.

Speaker 1 Good point. Good point.
All right. Well, Hank, good luck to you on your taxes.
Hopefully you pay them this year.

Speaker 5 Did any of you guys do any loss harvesting?

Speaker 3 Don't know what that means. What's that a euphemism for? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Never mind.

Speaker 1 All this shit confuses those

Speaker 1 fuck out of me.

Speaker 3 Max did.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max did a lot of losses these days.

Speaker 1 Ha ha ha. Are your losses to me? Oh, man.

Speaker 3 Hank had the biggest shit-eating grit on his face. He didn't think that was funny.
He was just like, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, you harvest so many losses, Max.
You could probably deduct the Super Bowl ticket.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be great. No, not you.
Not you.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? I paid for the Super Bowl ticket. You did.
But then we, then I paid for futures that didn't hit, and you could have picked UConn.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You could have.

Speaker 3 I know that I could have, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 And Max Homer also sucks. Hey, hey.
Come on. I didn't mean that.
I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to cut that part. Come on.
No, don't cut that part. Leave it in because we need to, you know.

Speaker 1 How could you? No, no, I'll keep it in, but I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I didn't mean it.

Speaker 3 You used to be such a good deboy.

Speaker 1 Come on. All right, PFT.

Speaker 3 Firefest of the week is Firefest.

Speaker 1 Oh. Firefest is back.

Speaker 3 Billy McFarland has announced Firefest 2, and he's looking for a select group of influencers to invite to Firefest 2. So he learned his lesson from doing time with the situation in jail.
Yep.

Speaker 3 And he learned a valuable lesson, and he's just going to do Firefest again.

Speaker 3 That's what he learned, is he didn't didn't do it as good the first time, didn't make as big promises as he could have the first time. So he's running it back this summer.
So

Speaker 3 I would like to be invited to Firefest 2.

Speaker 1 This summer?

Speaker 3 Is it not this summer?

Speaker 5 I don't know. That seems like it's around the corner.

Speaker 3 I would like to be invited to Firefest 2. Invite us to Firefest 2? I have FOMO that I didn't go to Firefest 1.

Speaker 1 I don't think we should give that guy publicity. Yeah, you're right.
No, yeah, it's not platforming.

Speaker 1 It's not platforming.

Speaker 3 Would hate to have a liar named Billy on this show.

Speaker 3 I have another Firefest says that I'm fat.

Speaker 3 No, you're not. So there's that picture that came out, or

Speaker 3 some screenshots of the video of the Chevy ad that we did over the course of Super Bowl week. You look strong.
I look strong. I look powerful.
I look like I have a dad bod minus the kids.

Speaker 3 And I just want to say.

Speaker 1 I think it's one of those putty things that you squeeze.

Speaker 3 Yeah, okay, that's not the same thing. All right, Hank.

Speaker 1 All right, Hank. We got it.
We got the picture.

Speaker 3 You're thick, you freak.

Speaker 1 Hank's a chubby chaser now. If you're fat, that means he's got a tight.

Speaker 3 Yep, that's true.

Speaker 3 Yes, podcasters should just all get super fat.

Speaker 1 It'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 But I do have an explanation for it. There's a perfectly good explanation for why I was fat in the future.

Speaker 3 Because I told you what? What is it?

Speaker 1 It was a video.

Speaker 3 Okay, in the screenshots hey, cut your own mic off and shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 Rivalry back on.

Speaker 3 I was, I told this story on the show, but I did the cool sculpting thing because I've got one small layer of fat that was around the very small of my belly underneath my belly button.

Speaker 3 So they cool sculpted me and they melted away the fat. What they didn't tell me at the time, well maybe they did, I chose to ignore, is that your stomach swells up big time after you do that.

Speaker 3 So that was like two weeks, maybe like a week after I got the cool sculpting done. And I just, I look fat as fuck.

Speaker 1 What about your face? Did they sculpt your face?

Speaker 3 They didn't sculpt my face. My face looked not

Speaker 1 as it looked normal fat.

Speaker 3 It wasn't like over the top fat.

Speaker 1 I don't think you're fat.

Speaker 3 Thank you, big cat. Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 I do not think that.

Speaker 3 So let the record show I'm not fat.

Speaker 1 I think you're strong, powerful, can lift many things over your head.

Speaker 3 I can probably run a marathon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I'm not fat. I want the record to show that I'm not fat despite the fake news that Hank puts out.

Speaker 5 Do you just like poop out all that fat that gets frozen off? Like, where does it go?

Speaker 3 You piss it out. So it goes into your lymphatic system, and then you have to chug a bunch of water, and then you just piss it out.
Huh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Science.
All right, my firefest is I was challenged to run a mile this week. I did it.
People were saying I couldn't do it under 10 minutes. I did it 724.

Speaker 1 I'll say 740 because there was some talk that the track

Speaker 1 might not have been as long as we thought. Either way, it's awoken a beast in me that

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to get back fully into shape and I'm going to try to do the thousand pound club, Billy. Oh, okay.
And I'm going to get injured. I'm going to get injured.

Speaker 1 There's no way I don't get injured, but I want to try. Wait, that you lost a thousand pounds in one session? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hex bar or straight?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hex bar is healthier.

Speaker 1 Oh, the one that's on the sides. Yeah, yeah.
All right, so I'll do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hex bar, it's deadlift, squat, bench, a thousand pounds.

Speaker 5 You easily could get there.

Speaker 1 I have a bad back, and I'm 38 years old, and I'm out of shape.

Speaker 2 Hex bar, hex bar.

Speaker 3 You should never deadlift over the age of 35.

Speaker 1 Could you do thousand pound club today, Billy?

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 5 I actually think I might be able to.

Speaker 1 What do you squat?

Speaker 5 I'm still like, I probably could get like 375.

Speaker 1 Oh, then you could, yeah. Because it's really, if you can squat and bench like

Speaker 1 combined 550, you should be able to do it.

Speaker 5 I think I was around at my max, like 1,300.

Speaker 1 Sick.

Speaker 5 That was back when I was like putting 500 pounds on my back.

Speaker 1 Either way, I'm going to challenge myself, and I'm going to get hurt.

Speaker 3 And that's going to suck. It's definitely going to lead to a back end.
Yeah, we're just cliping.

Speaker 1 I hope it doesn't, but

Speaker 1 I'm warning you as a friend. No, it's not a fence.

Speaker 1 What you're saying is true.

Speaker 3 You're going to be able to bench

Speaker 3 250. You're going to be able to squat 300.

Speaker 3 And you're going to try to do the deadlift, and that's going to fuck you up.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to try.

Speaker 1 It's probably going to take like a year.

Speaker 5 No, I think we can get you there in three months.

Speaker 1 38 and out of shape.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but like, there's a lot of research.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not doing, I'm doing it all natural. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 Are you going to let Billy inject you with anything? No.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do it. It's either all natural or can't do it.

Speaker 5 What about supplements?

Speaker 1 I thought about letting Billy inject me with B12. He was giving me the

Speaker 1 pitch the other day.

Speaker 5 L-carnitine, B12.

Speaker 1 Liatine,

Speaker 5 you know, tons of stuff we can give you that will get you going.

Speaker 3 It sounds good in the moment when he's just stuck in the middle.

Speaker 1 He can inject you. You can put it on the map.

Speaker 3 Once you reach the point where Billy is sticking a hypodermic needle into your arm and then injecting liquid into it and you don't know what it is, that's a very scary moment.

Speaker 3 That's a big time, like, I'm wondering how I got here in my life moment.

Speaker 5 Hey, did you get surgery on your elbow?

Speaker 3 I did not. Huh.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'm going to do. If I can't do it, I'm just going to say I can't do it.
I'm not going to push myself to the absolute limit.

Speaker 5 Well, you could dirty bulk and like you may be 400 pounds.

Speaker 1 I think I'm always dirty.

Speaker 5 Dirty bulking a thousand pounds.

Speaker 1 I think I've never not been dirty bulking.

Speaker 3 Pink, here's a strategy for you. You could just, you could eat a lot.
Yeah. You could eat a lot of snacks.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you think about that? Have you ever tried doing that?

Speaker 5 Like, you could get up to like

Speaker 3 70. Yeah.
Have you ever tried snacking a lot? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe Chinese food every Sunday night? Strongman. Cheetos.
But they still have English stuff on it. I know, I know, I know, I know.
But higher protein. Yeah.
All right, we'll see.

Speaker 1 And then my other fire fest is my son's doing this new thing where he just hits me and then he's like, you know, I love you so much. And then, so I feel like I'm living with like an abusive boyfriend.

Speaker 3 That's like

Speaker 1 that's like Hezbollah and his cat. Yeah.
No, he literally would like, it's not like he's hitting me hard. He'll like slap me on the leg and he'll just be like, dad, you know I love you.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, Jesus Christ. He's like my pimp.

Speaker 3 This guy's being duped.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just walking around like, you know, no one makes me feel the way you feel. I have to hurt you.
Like, I just, you know, I'm crazy about you. Like, that's how I feel every day.

Speaker 3 Why did you make me do this to you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's a nice little face.

Speaker 1 Billy.

Speaker 5 First Fire Fest is that it's currently that time of year where you don't know where they put the whole AC unit in yet, but it's really hot, but you're too lazy to put it in yet.

Speaker 5 And it's like, is it really summer yet? So you're just like sweating through the night?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is, I do love this time of year.

Speaker 1 Like, I was talking to someone a couple days ago. I don't know.
How people live. I know that like living in Florida is awesome.
Living in LA is awesome. Shut up, Hank.
The seasons are awesome.

Speaker 1 Those first few days of spring make you feel something that is so different than if every day was just beautiful. Yeah.
And I know people are like, oh, this is just your way of coping with winter.

Speaker 1 Spring, those first 50, 60 degree days are the best.

Speaker 3 Sundress season. Yeah.
Big time.

Speaker 5 What, Billy? Seasonal aggression. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Seasonal aggression disorder. Billy gets angrier when it gets hot.

Speaker 1 When I get angry, you just get hyper.

Speaker 3 There is something to that because my first summer in New York, I was like, you know, I was moving from Austin, so I thought i was like immune to the sun up here because i just come from texas so i was like you know what i don't need an ac unit in my apartment i'm just going to ride it out it can't be that hot you get so mad when you're hot all day yes it does make you pissed off at the world so i would say and new york heat is different as well i mean it's not like texas heat but new york heat when it gets really hot and it all just stays on the concrete and it's like hot at like nine o'clock yeah smell the hot smell but the heat at like nine o'clock when it's like the sun's down.

Speaker 1 Why the fuck is it still so hot? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Also, with the ACs getting installed, it's mystery water season. When you're walking down the street and you just get hit on the face with mystery water from above,

Speaker 3 that's the beauty of New York, baby. Best city in the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've actually

Speaker 1 been on a hot streak of not getting hit with mystery water because I don't go to Starbucks anymore. Go buy Stella Blue Coffee.
We're taking down the big corporations.

Speaker 1 There's that mystery water under that one. Yeah.
It hits you all the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I used to get just douched.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's actually a great sales pitch. Do you want to avoid mystery water? Yeah.
Then buy some.

Speaker 1 So blue coffee. So Billy, are you putting it in or not? Why wouldn't you just put it in? I like it.

Speaker 5 I'm now in the fan.

Speaker 3 I just turned the fan on. So it's on, but it's in.
You put it in already.

Speaker 1 What temperature are you guys sleeping?

Speaker 5 Well, I just like it cold as hell. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. I go, why not just put it in? I go like 65.

Speaker 5 Well, because

Speaker 5 I kind of misplaced my AC unit.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's a different firefest.

Speaker 1 That would be the firefest.

Speaker 5 I put it somewhere and now I can't find it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that is the fire fest.

Speaker 3 So your fire fest is you can't decide whether or not you want to look for your AC unit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was looking for it, but like you know, you're a busy week. So you were going to put it in.
Yeah. So that's not the fire fest.
It is time to put it in. It's not cold again.

Speaker 1 I think it's time to put it in if you can find it. Yeah.
Anyone who knows where their AC is, put it in.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I just got the fan going.
You know, the fan's going to be going to like October.

Speaker 1 So you're just giving up on AC this summer. I might.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You know what this is?

Speaker 3 This is Billy making a pre-excuse for something, for basically everything. Yeah.
Like, I was really hot. Just being sweaty.

Speaker 1 So hot. Okay.

Speaker 5 Other Fire Fest, I have a black guy from playing basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What happened? I heard you had to get separated with somebody.

Speaker 5 No, that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 That's not what happened at all.

Speaker 5 No, I just got an elbow to the face rebounding. But did you get separated?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Let me just tell you something, Billy. I will say this.

Speaker 1 The kid was fucking crying because Billy threw him to the ground like a bag of bones, which he was. No, no, no.
And there was no foul. I didn't throw no foul, no harm.

Speaker 1 The kid hooked my arm and he hooked it in. Hook and hold.
That's a technical free throw.

Speaker 3 He was giving me this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a technical free throw.

Speaker 5 So I threw my arm down and he got thrown and then he started bitching about it. And I was just like, then I started yelling at him.
If you didn't hook my arm, you wouldn't be on the floor.

Speaker 1 All right, so I'm going to rule this on your side. 100%.

Speaker 1 No foul, no harm.

Speaker 1 Did they blow the whistle? No. This other guy, who hopefully is listening, there's definitely a point in your life.
He's also wearing a long-sleeve white turbo.

Speaker 1 Let's not shit on people we play pickups. No, but there's definitely a point in your life.

Speaker 1 He was being aggressive for whatever reason. Where you have to realize

Speaker 1 you're playing like intramurals or whatever.

Speaker 1 Have fun. Don't take it that seriously because you don't want to be the adult that gets in an adult fight at a softball field or a basketball court.

Speaker 1 The only other thing I'll say, not to, I guess, Billy's worried about his feelings, he was being aggressive. And then at the end of the game, we were down by like five or six.
We had to foul.

Speaker 1 It was like we were down five or six with a minute left. We fouled him.
At the end of the game.

Speaker 3 He was like, chill out, chill out, chill out. It was like,

Speaker 1 did you guys lose? We lost.

Speaker 7 Shit.

Speaker 5 We were down by 27, and we brought it back within five.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, they weren't trying as hard because they were up 27.

Speaker 5 That's what they got. We never stopped the fight.
No. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 Billy, to tell you the truth, I don't think I want you on the show anymore if you ever reach a point where you don't get involved in pickup basketball fights.

Speaker 1 I do take pickup. I do have

Speaker 1 a little hard to paint.

Speaker 3 You're fired. It's five second black eyes.

Speaker 1 You're fired.

Speaker 3 I guess it is longer than a year without getting into into a fight on some sort of playground.

Speaker 1 You're fucking out. It is different because this job you can just show up with a black eye.

Speaker 1 I remember vividly being like in arguments in intramurals when I was working in a real job and being like, I don't want to get punched in the face and show up to work with the black eye because that's a whole thing.

Speaker 5 No, I didn't get punched in the face. This is totally unrelated to that incident.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you got punched in the face in a difference?

Speaker 5 No, that was actually Nick Mulcahy, awesome dude. We were talking in a timeout and we were getting beat pretty bad.

Speaker 5 Like, we got to go hard in the paint, like, get more offensive rebounds, get some more boards. And we both got pumped up, and then we both went for an offensive rebound, and I caught an elbow.

Speaker 5 Friendly fire.

Speaker 1 Oh, friendly fire. But we were like, you know, we were going hard.
Okay.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I just, you know, shout out that guy. He's actually, he was pretty wet.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 I don't want this guy. I don't want people to be playing us and pick up and be like, oh, shit.
Like, I don't want to end up on part of my take.

Speaker 1 I think that's the thing. No one knows who he is.
I know, whatever.

Speaker 5 No one should be judged for their actions when their heart rate's over 150 beats per minute.

Speaker 1 I agree. That's what I I believe.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 Like, you know, because you know, we're not, we're all human.

Speaker 1 That could be that could get you into some trouble. Well, there's definitely some situations that someone could get their heart rate that fast.

Speaker 3 I'm pretty sure most times people commit murder.

Speaker 1 They're heart rates. Yeah, I was going to say

Speaker 1 some very violent crimes that are committed at a heart rate over 150. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It makes anybody feel guilty.

Speaker 3 Anybody that's on meth. Like, if you don't want to get arrested, just do a line of cocaine.

Speaker 1 Officer, officer 50, not my Apple Watch.

Speaker 1 I just. No, fuck fuck this dude, Billy.

Speaker 1 When your heart rate's high, fuck this dude.

Speaker 5 You know, we made up after the game is fine.

Speaker 1 You kiss? Yeah, we kiss. Okay, nice.
All right. Jake, finish us off.

Speaker 4 First up, self-correction. The Panthers have to win tonight.
A point

Speaker 1 doesn't do that. You'll still get tweets about that.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 And then I'll be like, did you listen to the full podcast? A lot of people do that. They just...

Speaker 1 They don't listen to the full podcast. Yeah, we're going to implement a new system going forward

Speaker 1 in the fall where we do corrections at the end and people should save their tweets.

Speaker 3 We don't want to kill any golfers' dads on the show. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 So we're going to have to have a bad one. Well, to be fair,

Speaker 4 no one corrected you on that.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no one did.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a hard thing to correct someone.

Speaker 1 I thought he meant online

Speaker 4 before we stopped recording.

Speaker 1 It's a hard thing to call out and be like, no, PFT, he's alive.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 you extend the conversation about a maybe not dead dad. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 1 my Fire Fest is.

Speaker 3 He's alive, by the way. He is very much alive.

Speaker 1 He's the best alive person ever. He is the most alive guy right now

Speaker 1 in the world. Yes.
My hometown of Fort Lauderdale is underwater.

Speaker 4 Did you guys hear about this?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 1 Stranded cars. That was bad.

Speaker 4 It was not great.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hopefully.

Speaker 3 Credit to me for not making a joke before I found out that Jake was being serious about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's plenty of room to

Speaker 4 work with that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, it'll be okay.
It'll be okay. Hopefully.
I'm trying to think of a non-offensive angle here.

Speaker 1 Well, no, you know what? It is bullshit because everyone has to say, like, oh, thoughts and prayers, but then all the Florida people make fun of us for dealing with winter.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm still

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not right. They do that.
They do. Do Florida people like, oh, I was shoveling snow this winter? Can I say the same thing when the whole town floods? Am I allowed to?

Speaker 4 I didn't do the research on if anyone got hurt or anything, so I think that's like the first benchmark. Like, if everyone's safe, I feel like there's a little bit more of a leash.

Speaker 1 What about three deaths? No. Okay.

Speaker 1 I asked. That was just

Speaker 1 zero one. Zero? Oh, one.
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Speaker 4 like, zero, you have a little more leeway. If there's one or above, got it.

Speaker 3 What if it's their fault?

Speaker 1 Yeah. One.
What if someone took a big dump? Or what if it's a fine? And they were flooded and it flooded Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 3 What if it's Casey Anthony and she drowned? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is baby Hitler swimming in a pool? Good point. And more water comes up.

Speaker 4 There's some exceptions.

Speaker 1 Babies can float. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, but what if the flood comes over the pool?

Speaker 3 Yeah, then I'd say, I hope that this flood killed baby Hitler. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And no one else. And no one else.

Speaker 1 But we do hope people are okay. Yes.

Speaker 1 That was pretty crazy. I saw Jeff Darlington tweeted, our friend Jeff Darlington tweeted a video of just water just washing through this person's house.

Speaker 3 That was, yeah. That's awful.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Unless Baby Hitler's there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If Baby Hitler was in that basement, good.

Speaker 1 Happy the water went there. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 The lottery ball. No.
Are we going to make you those golf balls balls with lottery balls on them? Taylor May didn't respond. Oh man,

Speaker 1 how you feeling? I feel like you've given up.

Speaker 3 Have you given up?

Speaker 1 No. You seem really down about it.
Never surrender.

Speaker 3 Very down about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh,

Speaker 3 you're very down about this right now, honey. No, I'm up.

Speaker 1 If it's up, then I'm stuck. All right.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 16.

Speaker 1 17.

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 1 73. Whoa, where'd that come from? I asked chap GPT.

Speaker 1 No, that doesn't count. I'll go with 20.
I'm going to go with

Speaker 3 24.

Speaker 1 What did you guess, Hank?

Speaker 1 17?

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Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Loki, there's a meteorite that crashed in Maine. If you have any leads on it, hit me up.
Also, wait, was it?

Speaker 1 Did it happen or was it Loki?

Speaker 5 It crashed.

Speaker 1 So, Hikey.

Speaker 1 A meteorite crashed. Where is it going?

Speaker 5 We don't know. But, yeah, I might go look for it.

Speaker 1 Go. Okay, go.
I think we'll see. Right now, leave.
Go. I mean, it's the weekend.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm going to start planning.

Speaker 3 It's Thursday.

Speaker 1 It's 4:40 on Thursday.

Speaker 3 Love you guys.

Speaker 5 Oh, also, bacteria may have come from a meteorite, and life on Earth may be from a meteorite.

Speaker 1 This one doesn't count, I just want to see.

Speaker 4 People have been asking for a full list, so I think I'm going to tweet out a link with a full list of numbers.

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