Brandon Marshall, Sean Payton Leaves The Saints, MLB HoF Continues To Suck & FAQ's

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On today's part of my take, Brandon Marshall, wide receiver, six-time Pro Bowler in studio.

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They got great new joggers out. Today is Wednesday, January 26th, and Sean Payton has retired.

Speaker 1 Incorrect.

Speaker 2 Sean Payton has stepped away from the game of football.

Speaker 1 Retired for right now. For right now.

Speaker 2 I'm like 90% sure I can predict what's going to happen in the next two years for Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 Amazon.

Speaker 2 Amazon. That's one possibility for right now.
Also, they might put him in a booth with Drew Brees and have him do their little thing together. Be like, hey, we're the Saints.

Speaker 1 Tell Drew Brees how

Speaker 1 to actually do analysis?

Speaker 2 Yeah, be the person in Drew Brees' ear telling him everything that he should be doing on TV. He goes in the truck.

Speaker 1 That would be great if Sean Payton just took a $125,000 job to be a producer in the truck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah.
So I think he's going to step away and do that for about a year. Amazon.

Speaker 2 And this translates to Mike McCarthy currently being the most fired head coach going into next year already.

Speaker 2 So Mike McCarthy is the lamest of ducks right now. Yes.
Because he knows that Sean, this is Sean Payton's job. I'm first reporting it right now.

Speaker 2 Mike McCarthy has been fired as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys exactly a year from today minus two weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or bring Sean Payton home to the Bears, which probably won't happen because I think they were trying to trade for him.

Speaker 1 And Sean Payton also, I think, told Ryan Pace in 2016 or 15, whenever it was, don't go there. That place is a disaster to the franchise.

Speaker 1 But obviously, whenever Sean Payton, the rumors start for the Bears as well, he probably will go to the Cowboys. You're right.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But it will be very weird not seeing Sean Payton on the sideline for the Saints. And I hope, I hope, this doesn't mean Jameis is now losing his job in some capacity.

Speaker 2 That'd be very unfair. Jimbo Fisher to the Saints.
It's probably more likely that.

Speaker 2 Remember the end of any given Sunday where Al Pacino walked away to start his new franchise with his franchise player, Jamie Foxx, Willie Beaman? That might be what Sean Payton's doing.

Speaker 2 He might be trying to find the perfect situation where he can set Jameis Winston up to succeed in two years. I'm in for it.
Jameis Winston, Dallas Cowboys quarterback.

Speaker 2 Oh, buddy. There's not enough primetime games in the season for that.

Speaker 1 I would love, love, love that. But yeah, it's going to be weird.
It's going to be weird not seeing Sean Payton out there. He was, what? He's got to be the third most tenured.

Speaker 1 It's got to be Belichick, Harbaugh, Payton, right? I think

Speaker 1 with their team. That sounds right.
Off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 That sounds right to me.

Speaker 1 Jake, check that stat.

Speaker 2 Andy Reid's probably up there too, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but not all the way. Mike Tomlin is probably up there, right? Mike Tomlin is up there as well.
Belichick, Payton, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. Okay.
All right, so it's close.

Speaker 1 The top three, wrong order.

Speaker 2 Just quick stat here. The Saints,

Speaker 2 without Sean Payton, 244 and 361. With Sean Payton, 152 and 89 in the regular season.
He's a good coach. Pretty good.

Speaker 2 He has over half, well over half, of the Saints' entire collective history of wins. Yep.
Just in his tenure there. And then obviously

Speaker 2 9-8 in the postseason. Pretty good.
Not bad. And then I think

Speaker 2 without Sean Payton, I don't have the number for him. I think they're one and four without Sean Payton.
Makes sense.

Speaker 1 He is the best coach in their franchise by a large, large, large margin and a very, very good coach.

Speaker 1 Ooh, should we do the Sean Payton Hall of Famer question?

Speaker 2 Well, you can't tell the story of New Orleans.

Speaker 1 Well, you can't tell the story of football because he did change some rules by...

Speaker 1 under his study, having people try to kill Brett Favre.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Without Sean Payton, we don't get the Sean Payton, Kevin James, Adam Sandler Sandler movie either.

Speaker 1 Yes, so

Speaker 1 yeah, it was, I think everyone kind of thought it might be coming. Our Saints Insider, please credit him, Ben Mintz, said that he had this news on Friday.

Speaker 1 So he told PFT that. Retroactively Friday.

Speaker 2 He did tell me that on Friday. He came up to me.
Ben Mintz, you might know Ben Mintz if you're not familiar with him already.

Speaker 2 When I do the Patrick Mahomes voice, that's just Ben Mintz's regular voice.

Speaker 1 Correct. Correct.

Speaker 2 He came up to me.

Speaker 1 He came up to me and he goes, At PFT, I was learning, you heard any sources from any of your people in New Orleans that Sean Payton might be out

Speaker 2 next week. And I was like, I have not heard that, Mince.
He's like, there's a lot of talk.

Speaker 2 And so he did tell me that on Friday. He established, Hank heard him say it, right? Yeah, pretty much that exact same conversation.
And yeah, he called it.

Speaker 2 Ben Mintz says he is the king of New Orleans. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So please give him credit. How have you guys not talked about the retweet heard around the world? Which one? Schefter.

Speaker 1 Oh, he retweeted Rappaport. Whoa.

Speaker 2 damn. He's giving up for sportsmanship.

Speaker 1 I can change, and you can change.

Speaker 1 Maybe Shafts are thinking, you know, I'm going to be leaving ESPN soon. I can start giving a couple back here.

Speaker 2 Do you think Schefter lets Rappaport break the news that he leaves ESPN?

Speaker 1 Ooh, that would be spicy.

Speaker 2 I will bring Leroy back from the dead to break the news.

Speaker 1 You're Adam Shafter

Speaker 2 leaving ESPN. Adam, let me know.

Speaker 1 He might be co-workers with Sean Payton and Amazon.

Speaker 2 I think Adam Schef.

Speaker 1 I think Amazon's going to just hire everyone.

Speaker 2 I think Adam Schefter is going to go do business with some casino, and he's going to hoard all the information.

Speaker 1 Set the line. Fucked up.

Speaker 1 Most importantly, though,

Speaker 2 it is birthday week.

Speaker 1 It is birthday week.

Speaker 2 We're at part of my take. So next Sunday and Monday,

Speaker 2 me and Big Cat's birthday, I was wondering if maybe to celebrate our birthdays and basically the end of pretty much dry January, Jake, you, Billy, and Big Cat wanted to go out for maybe some margaritas or something this weekend.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 2 This weekend?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah you three can we do it thursday well yeah we could do it oh why what do you got

Speaker 1 i think well hey i was just saying like hank and liam aren't allowed because they're not content but but us billy the whole team us you got something billy you got something this weekend we don't know about some big plan it's been a long-standing plan oh okay sorry all right so you won't be joining us for our birthday margaritas could we do on thursday sure just as long as those two don't come yeah i'm also out we're not we're not allowed to hang i'm not going, but you guys should go.

Speaker 1 That was miserable. That will be.

Speaker 1 Don't get too drunk.

Speaker 1 The Bears got a new GM. So the Bears got a new GM.
Ryan Poles. He's about to be announced.

Speaker 1 Pretty much the news there is that he's from the Chiefs. Chiefs have good players.
It's never been a bad thing for the Bears to hire someone from the Chiefs staff.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 sorry, not Schefter. Greeny dropped a fucking

Speaker 1 fire, fire joke on

Speaker 1 this hiring.

Speaker 2 You say it like you're surprised that Greene would say something.

Speaker 1 He said, if the name plate on the office door said Ryan P, they won't even have to change it.

Speaker 2 That's a good joke.

Speaker 1 Damn. Damn, you got nuke from it.
Because everyone has nuke from orbit. Everyone has their name plates be the first, name, last initial.
Ryan P.

Speaker 2 I could actually see the bears doing that, though.

Speaker 1 Ryan P.

Speaker 2 Ryan P. I would die for Ryan P.

Speaker 1 They also had McCasky go to O'Hare and pick him up, and it's like, look, he cares. Like,

Speaker 1 things are changing. You know, but I like, I don't, whenever you hire a new GM,

Speaker 1 it's basically like you have to be in the league circles to actually give an assessment. I hope he's good.
I hope he's good.

Speaker 1 And they're going to do the same thing they did with Pace, where they hire a young GM and then an old coach and like Jim Caldwell.

Speaker 2 Was he involved at all in the drafting of Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 1 He was. I mean, he was

Speaker 1 been with the Chiefs for a very long time.

Speaker 2 It's crazy how, like, one guy, Pat Mahomes, can make everybody around him so much money and make them all look like geniuses. Absolutely.
Because they absolutely nailed on that one pick.

Speaker 1 Yes. But they have, I mean, the Chiefs have a lot of

Speaker 1 talented guys.

Speaker 1 They have a very, very talented roster. They do.
But without Patrick Mahomes,

Speaker 2 it's easy to be a great wide receiver or tight end when you have Pat Mahomes throwing you the ball.

Speaker 1 Chicken and the egg, yeah. Kelsey guys are really good.

Speaker 2 Kelsey would be good, anyways. Tyreek Hill is obviously a special guy.

Speaker 2 But they nailed credit to them. They nailed the picking, the selection of Patrick Mahomes.
And they also get your own Patrick Moments.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs do deserve credit for revamping their entire offensive line in one year. Because that is like, it is kind of crazy when you think about it.
Like, last year they went to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 They lost in the Super Bowl. He got his ass kicked.
And they just, they figured out a way to get a whole new offensive line.

Speaker 1 I'm not rooting for any injuries, but Kyle Long is waiting, active, ready to get in. I re-watched the game on Monday night.
It was on NFL Network.

Speaker 1 And I still, with, with two minutes left at the two-minute warning,

Speaker 1 like, as I'm watching it, i still didn't really understand like i knew it was coming and i still didn't understand how it was going to happen like the the the fact that the bills were celebrating with 13 seconds left and everything that happened after gabriel davis scores his fourth touchdown like i i know i watched this but it still doesn't make sense to me it really doesn't that the end of that game is just crazy i i it's as good as football gets It really is.

Speaker 2 I did a lot of watching of all the alternate camera angles and all like the viral content that came out right after the game game was over because I didn't get a chance to do that as we were recording the show because there's a lot of stuff that happens.

Speaker 2 I saw Patrick Mahomes like sprint over to Josh Allen and just give him a giant hug. Yeah, that's the first thing that he did after they won that game was he ran over to Josh and just held him.

Speaker 2 These guys expected Josh. And he was like, we're going to be doing this a lot.
And like, goosebumps. Yeah.
Goosebumps. I hope that they are.

Speaker 1 It is really crazy to see. I mean, you never know what's going to happen in sports.
You never know what's going to happen in football year to year.

Speaker 1 But to think like we might have gone AFC for 20 years, Brady Manning with Roethlisberger and Rivers mixed in there, and it might be Mahomes Allen with Burrow and Herbert mixing it.

Speaker 1 Like, it's it's it's awesome. Lamar Jackson, who we've all forgotten Lamar Jackson because he was injured for half the year, but it's

Speaker 1 the league's in good hands. That's all we're going to say.
We're going to get sentimental. It's in good hands.

Speaker 2 Can I just say that, like, this probably isn't going to happen, and I feel almost bad putting it out into the universe.

Speaker 2 What if the Ravens moved on from Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 1 Why? Why? He got hurt.

Speaker 2 They got rid of his offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to stick with him.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to stick with him.

Speaker 2 Just saying.

Speaker 2 We'll keep an eye on the situation as it develops in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you actually

Speaker 2 have sources or you just... No, this is complete and utter reckless speculation.

Speaker 1 I don't see it happening.

Speaker 1 He just wanted MVP.

Speaker 2 I just said keep an eye on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were going to say, Billy.

Speaker 2 AB wants to play with Jackson.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Well, that's...
I mean, that's kind of what Antonio Brown has to do at this point, just pick one guy and just be like, I want to play with him

Speaker 1 to make it seem like, hey, he's fixed because he really wants to play with this guy.

Speaker 1 And that would be the only way he gets back.

Speaker 2 I mean, how sick would it have been, though, if Antonio Brown had been on the Bills? I'll bet you he feels like a real idiot not going to Buffalo. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That team.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 going to be in the Chiefs with Antonio Brown.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize Gabriel Davis, too. He's locked up for another year.

Speaker 1 They're going to be fine. The Bills will be fine.
They have some decisions to make. It does suck whenever you lose front office and coaches, which they will lose some of that.

Speaker 1 Like, they already lost someone from their front office. They'll probably lose Brian Dable.
The Bears will probably hire Leslie Frazier.

Speaker 1 So it's, yeah, it does suck when that happens, but that's just part of success.

Speaker 2 You really think the Bears are going to hire Frazier?

Speaker 1 I just think they're going to do something stupid.

Speaker 2 That would be very stupid. Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 I mean, that's what they would do. I'm actually fully sold in on Dan Quinn.
So Dan Quinn, I'm back. Dan Quinn, I'm back.
I love the guy.

Speaker 2 I think that Dan Quinn could work if he went to a place that had a solid quarterback. Like, that's what Dan Quinn does.
He does defense. Don't trust him to make any in-game decisions.

Speaker 2 Let him run the defense and

Speaker 2 let him be the rah-rah guy.

Speaker 1 I'm ready for him. I'm ready for Dan Quinn.
I've come all the way around. It would just be a nice, be a nice thing to have.

Speaker 1 I also just want to throw out there, I'm now at, I've listened to like four or five Packer podcasts.

Speaker 1 It gets worse with time because

Speaker 1 the realization that they're gonna have to blow that thing up is is very, very fun. So they are.
I think they are. I think Rodgers is probably gonna have to,

Speaker 1 he's probably gonna go somewhere else. They're Denver.
You think Denver?

Speaker 2 Denver, they have legalized mushrooms in Denver now.

Speaker 1 That's true. Okay, so Denver for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 You sure about that?

Speaker 1 I actually am sure about this one.

Speaker 2 The Wisconsin one, I was way off.

Speaker 2 But I mean, listen, our fact-checking on this show is you Google something, and then if the giant words come up on the front page of Google, that's what you go with at that point.

Speaker 2 So they don't have recreational marijuana in Wisconsin. That was a mistake.
Yeah, Billy? I think they have religious marijuana. They have religious marijuana.

Speaker 2 The Rastafaris are happy.

Speaker 1 No, seriously,

Speaker 1 all the Rastafarians and

Speaker 1 the Spanish.

Speaker 2 Actually, I'm pretty sure it's near Wisco.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 It's near Madison?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wisco.
I'm pretty sure you get weed and Rastafari.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 where did you hear this? Which buddy goes to Wisco?

Speaker 1 So your buddy who goes to Madison's like, hey, I can get it legal.

Speaker 1 If you're on a college campus and you can't find weed,

Speaker 1 you're like,

Speaker 1 what are you talking about? You're not smoking it in the church.

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't you smoke it in your apartment? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 I'd actually like to talk to a college kid who can't find weed. Like, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 So there are some churches in Madison that distribute marijuana as a sacrament.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's the religion.

Speaker 2 But Wisconsin City officials are also trying to stop them from doing

Speaker 1 the body of Christ. Like, you know, you put weed.

Speaker 2 But wait, wait, that's what Rastafarianism, that's one of their sacraments is they smoke a lot of pot. That's like it's a Jamaican religion.

Speaker 1 Is your friend really, though, like, it's so sweet here? We can go to this church to get weed again on a college campus.

Speaker 2 You just tell me about this, and I was like, what?

Speaker 1 Why can't you just go to probably like the guy next door to you in the dorm to get the weed? Right. It's a good story.

Speaker 2 You can just start a church and have it give you whatever. Like, I'm going to start a church of beer, cocaine, and ska music.

Speaker 1 There we go. Sounds like a bar.
Yeah. And winners.

Speaker 2 Gives you winners. Yeah, and sports on TV.

Speaker 1 It doesn't count because it's religion. You can't count losers.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I literally just made a bar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where you can do with private bathrooms for cocaine.
Yes.

Speaker 2 The confessionals.

Speaker 1 Yes. The other news story we had besides that, because we're obviously waiting for championship Sunday, which we're going to have Julian Edelman on on Friday's show.

Speaker 1 The MLB, the Hall of Fame, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens officially not in. I think they go off the ballot now.
And we had Tom Verducci pop up and pen an incredible piece of work where

Speaker 1 he said

Speaker 1 in this piece, he said, talking about Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens not getting the majority, the 75% majority to make it into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 He said, in fact, for the past six years, most voters believe Bonds and Clemens should be in the Hall of Fame. A majority is not enough.
That's the beauty of the process.

Speaker 1 That's like the, that's not the beauty of the process.

Speaker 1 When a majority of people and everyone who watched them play think they should be in the Hall of Fame and a bunch of fucking loser old writers are holding it up, that's basically the worst process.

Speaker 2 You're just describing the Electoral College for baseball.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. It's dumb.
It's really dumb. Barry Bonds should be a Hall of Famer.
Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 He's the best baseball player of all time.

Speaker 2 You could say that Barry Bonds should be the first person. If you were to get rid of everybody in the Hall of Fame, Barry Bonds should be the first person re-inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 I just don't understand the hypocrisy

Speaker 1 is so blatant with these fucking writers and Tom Berducci at the top of the list. Like, you vote.
I looked it up, right?

Speaker 1 So amphetamines and greenies, which are just talked about openly and basically talked about in like a poetic way where people say, Oh, remember the days when we just would take speed to hit baseballs?

Speaker 1 People are like, Oh, those aren't performance-enhancing drugs.

Speaker 1 I mean, Daryl Strawberry once said, When you take amphetamines, the ball looks so big, it's like you could hit anything.

Speaker 1 They also, the innings pitched, this is my favorite because I know Tom Verducci has voted for some of these guys.

Speaker 1 There was

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 so there's 300 innings pitched, right? Has not happened in like basically the last 30 years.

Speaker 1 And it spiked innings pitched, 300 innings pitched in a season. They had in the 70s, 60s and 70s and early 80s, like there were guys pitching 300 innings on the regular because of amphetamines.

Speaker 1 It coincided with amphetamine use. And those guys are in the Hall of Fame, and I have no problem with it.
But then they talk about the steroid era, and they sound like such losers. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Not to mention the fact the steroid era literally saved Tom Verducci's job. It saved baseball.

Speaker 2 In the mid-90s, baseball was dead.

Speaker 1 After

Speaker 2 the players, was it a strike or a lockout back in the 90s? It was a

Speaker 1 lockout.

Speaker 2 It was a lockout back in the mid-90s.

Speaker 1 They played half the season.

Speaker 2 And they brought in replacement players, and baseball was dead. The fans were pissed off.
They didn't want to be around for the Millionaires versus Billionaires War. They felt like they were used.

Speaker 2 What happens over the course of the next three years? Oh, yeah. Mark Maguire starts hitting the moon with baseballs on a regular basis.
Brady Anderson knocks 50 home runs in a season.

Speaker 1 Sammy Sosa and Maguire Summer saved baseball. Tom Verducci probably wrote a million articles about how incredible that story was.

Speaker 1 He probably got a contract, a new contract from Sports Illustrated based on the fact that baseball popularity was booming and he was a baseball writer.

Speaker 1 And now he's basically saying these guys don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, even though... Major League Baseball has not stricken any of their records.

Speaker 2 Well, I would also like to point out that those guys never tested positive for seroids.

Speaker 1 They never got suspended. They never got any, all their records stand.
So what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 They're the best cheaters of all time. Barry Bonds, you can make the argument, Barry Bonds is the best cheater that has ever existed.

Speaker 2 Not only is he the best baseball player that ever played, even before he was taking the juice, the cream, and the clear, Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 Then he started cheating, but he started getting away with it. Yeah.
Never got caught. Not a single time was his piss flagged.

Speaker 2 He was only named in certain reports by people as someone that received steroids or received

Speaker 2 HGH. And his head swelled up to

Speaker 2 like the size of a four-ball tire.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't think that

Speaker 2 you can hold that against somebody if they never actually got caught for it.

Speaker 1 They got away with it. It's crazy because Major League Baseball, all their records stand.

Speaker 1 It's not,

Speaker 1 they stand, and they never got suspended, and yet a bunch of fucking old baseball writers are getting to play like judge, jury, executioner on baseball history.

Speaker 1 I just, the whole whole thing makes me laugh because those guys saved baseball, steroid users saved baseball. All these writers wrote about it.

Speaker 1 They talked about how incredible it was, the most incredible summer of all time.

Speaker 1 Now we're 25 years later and the same writers are essentially trying to ruin baseball by being old, stuck-up assholes about a sport that needs younger audiences.

Speaker 2 It's a very specialized skill, more so than any other type of journalism, to be a baseball writer. Yes.
Like baseball writer, I feel like you're born a baseball writer. You don't just become one.

Speaker 2 It's in your blood.

Speaker 2 You come out of the womb with a fedora on, a Diet Coke in your hand, and just a sense of righteous

Speaker 2 indignation. Tommy Bahama shirt.
Yeah, you go around getting scoops from your classmates in elementary school, turning in your notes to the principal. It's a different breed to be a bird.

Speaker 1 You have blood pressure. Yeah,

Speaker 2 you've got chest hair, and you're pre-diabetic when you're born.

Speaker 1 You come out eating a T-bone steak from St.

Speaker 2 Louis. Yeah, and you just, you worship at the altar of Bob Costas on this Sunday.

Speaker 1 Jake, did you know, was there a baseball writer's class in St. Louis?

Speaker 2 It should be a special major. There was a sports writers class.

Speaker 1 I didn't take it. Did you know any baseball writers?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 we're not asking actual baseball writers, but kids that were like, that could be a

Speaker 1 kid to answer you. No.
Do you think they should be in the Hall of Fame? Yes.

Speaker 1 Without a doubt. Yes.

Speaker 2 Even though they cheated and broke the rules. I'm just drilling down.

Speaker 1 Even though all these kids that watched them, all their memories have been stripped.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 1 Even though you're down a rabbit hole for homers. No, they've been deleted off of YouTube.

Speaker 2 I'd say worse than that, Jake, the youngsters were shown rule models that it was okay to use drugs.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's why our society as a whole is falling apart right now. All those kids that grew up on these home run dingers are now coming of age and rotting culture.
I think they're still? You still?

Speaker 2 We're writing a baseball column right now.

Speaker 2 And isn't it strange that the one thing that could keep our society from falling apart at the seams is baseball?

Speaker 1 I want someone to actually connect that. Like how

Speaker 1 we're in a very weird part of American history and like, you know, social media and economic, whatever it may be, because of

Speaker 1 the kids that grew up watching Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. Someone make that connection for me.
I'm sure that it's out there. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 So before we get to Hot Sequel Throwing, though, I did want to, one of my favorite things to do is look up Barry Bonds' stats.

Speaker 1 He's got the best pro baseball reference page of all time, but just throwing a couple out there because they're just fun to say. Barry Bonds has 1,000 more walks than strikeouts in his career.

Speaker 1 1,000 plus more. He had

Speaker 1 575 plate appearances against Hall of Famers, and he hit 292, and he had just seven strikeouts against Hall of Famers.

Speaker 1 41 times he was walked with the bases empty.

Speaker 2 Makes no sense. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 He intentionally walked with the bases empty.

Speaker 2 He was also intentionally walked with the bases full.

Speaker 1 Correct, correct. More than once.
Correct.

Speaker 1 26.3%

Speaker 1 of all Barry Bonds at bats ended with a home run or a walk. That's pretty good.
And then from 2001 to 2004, 39.5%

Speaker 1 of all Barry Bonds at bats ended with a home run or a walk.

Speaker 2 You just didn't pitch to the guy.

Speaker 1 And then here's another one that's just fucking, this one's insane.

Speaker 1 From 2001 to 2004, Barry Bonds played 573 baseball games. He reached base in 539 of them.
94% of the games he played in that stretch, he got on base. Holy shit.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's like, that guy should be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 They should name the Hall of Fame

Speaker 2 after Barry Bonds.

Speaker 1 You can maybe put, you know, a wing that explains a steroid air. I don't give a fuck.
Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer. End of story.
Fuck Tom Verducci.

Speaker 1 I would love to have Tom Verducci on to just be like, what's your problem?

Speaker 2 He could actually just straight up start his own Hall of Fame. Yeah.
Be like, I'm doing my own. Who's coming with me?

Speaker 1 I hope, I would love for Barry Bonds to come back for like

Speaker 1 a day and play

Speaker 1 in a game to reset his clock. So we can just keep, so we can really keep the pressure on him.

Speaker 2 So what happens now that he's not going to be automatically on the ballot? Could he get written in?

Speaker 1 I think it's something where now he goes to the old-timers ballot or something where he could eventually get in, but they essentially just need enough of these old idiots to die and then young people to take over for him.

Speaker 2 Because wouldn't it be the most baseball writers' thing ever if they just did this to send a message and they kept him off the ballot for the, or they kept him out of the Hall of Fame for this long, and now that the message has been sent, they gallantly all write his name in next year to let him into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 That would be like

Speaker 1 a Rudy version where they're just all putting their fucking jerseys down. Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 Now you have proven yourself worthy of making our Hall of Fame young barrels.

Speaker 1 He nagged them into, yeah, we're going to keep you out for the 15 now. Only now.
Can you enter an Army?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 It's a fucking museum. It's a museum.
That's the craziest part. It's a museum that tells the history of a sport of America's pastime.

Speaker 2 It's probably the best museum to go to with your dad, though. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I would say. Cooper sounds fun.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to Hot Sea Cool Throne. Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Tom vs. Time.
Tom vs. Time.

Speaker 2 What's the deal with the

Speaker 1 on his podcast? The Let's Go.

Speaker 1 Still doesn't come out.

Speaker 1 He talked about, you know, the end of the season. He made some quotes.
Obviously, he knows people are waiting on his decision. But for my personal takeaway, it seems like he's gone.
What?

Speaker 1 Talking about Giselle. He said it pains Giselle to see me get hit out there.

Speaker 1 She deserves what she needs from me as a husband, and my kids deserve what they need from me as a dad uh team doesn't deserve anything less than my best if i feel like i'm not committed to that or i can't play at the championship level then you got to give someone else a chance to play i

Speaker 1 it's obviously a toss-up you know you know he's the only one that knows what's going to happen but from right now where i stand i feel like he's gonna he's gonna walk away really think that that's why they're delaying the release of the last episode they're waiting for

Speaker 1 no that was that was just like uh i saw a tweet about it and then i got in the replies i don't know if that's the case i doubt it is.

Speaker 1 It is kind of weird that they didn't, you know, they released one every week and then didn't release the 10th one.

Speaker 2 It would be very funny if the Packers got rid of Aaron Rodgers or Aaron Rodgers left the Packers and then Tom Brady's like, you know what?

Speaker 2 I'll play for the Packers this year and then win a Super Bowl for the Packers.

Speaker 1 He would never go to the Cold. Back to the Cold.
Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to do one more year. I think the Bucs have one more year where they can kick the can down the road with their financial situation.
And they can be like, let's do it.

Speaker 1 Let's bring everyone back i uh our good friend stephen chee showed me the all 22 of the play it's it's crazy how

Speaker 1 like i mean it's a cliche game of inches but how these games come down to just one little thing and if you watched the end zone version that steven shea showed me levante david was supposed to blitz they were going like all-out blitz and he just didn't

Speaker 1 and that was like what he had got would he have got there if he did sue kind of got there and he was going to get he was basically going to be on the other side of Sue. So, who knows?

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, maybe he does because Sue's already kind of winning his, or the guy tries to chip Levante David. It's just nuts how those little things

Speaker 1 decide who's going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Also, Matt Stafford fumbled the ball earlier on that drive and almost didn't recover it. Another game of inches situation there.

Speaker 2 It probably would have been smart for the Bucs to not cover a Cooper Cup one-on-one with a safety, though.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if they get home, it's, you know. I don't.

Speaker 1 The Bills' defense was crazy, too. Yeah, see, I actually think the Bucs defense was better than the Bills defense.
The Bills were just giving.

Speaker 1 They were just, they backed off like it was the last play of the game. If Levante David blitzes, they probably get to a point where he can't get that throw-off, and you're not giving away.

Speaker 1 Because essentially, we're saying, we're not going to let you get 20 yards for a field goal here. We're going to try to be proactive

Speaker 1 and not give you, you know, we're going to be be aggressive here. The Bills, yeah.
That Kelsey play when they have Patrick Mahomes saying Kelsey do it, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 That was a very easy play to defend. It should have been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Bills were playing those calls.

Speaker 2 It was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 The Bills were playing like they could only not let up a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Well, no, the worst part about the Bills defense, in my mind, is that it's almost like they forgot that the Chiefs had timeouts because they were playing sidelines instead of like they can go in the middle of the field because they can call a timeout.

Speaker 1 So the middle of the field was wide open, both that and the Tyreek Hill pass.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Bill Since. And then my cool throne, I'm not.
The cool throne is China.

Speaker 1 China? China. China.
This was just, this made me laugh. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 It was Lice Cameron Barstall.

Speaker 1 They just started streaming the Fight Club movie in China, but they changed the ending.

Speaker 1 The explosion. What? Is this...

Speaker 2 Are you going to tell me this is fake? No, no, I wasn't. I just didn't know if we wanted to spoil Fight Club.

Speaker 1 I'm going to spoil that haven't seen it. Yeah, that's kind of fucked up, Hank.
This is what happens at the end of Fight Club.

Speaker 1 If you're in China, if you're in China, all the Chinese AWLs, if you go to the movie theater or stream it, the explosion scene has been replaced with text, which states, the police rapidly figured out the whole plan and arrested all criminals, successfully preventing the bomb from exploding.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. I love it.

Speaker 1 Completely.

Speaker 2 The end is they blow up every credit card company in the world and wipe out debt. And in this one, it's like the cops got him.

Speaker 1 Yep. Cops got him.
Stay inside. Don't try any of that that shit.

Speaker 2 President Xi responded individually and killed all the bad guys himself. Yeah.
Glory to the state. That's perfect.

Speaker 2 I love some good propaganda.

Speaker 1 I really like this. This is great stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT, your hot seat, cool throw on.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is Spotify.

Speaker 1 Spotify's on the hot seat

Speaker 2 because Neil Young put their asses in the jackpot big time. Neil Young, you might remember him from a bunch of hits.

Speaker 1 The Winner Skinner song.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, yeah, Skinner sang about him him in reference to Neil Young's song, Southern Man, about Jim Crow.

Speaker 2 But Neil Young said, you have to get rid of, hey, Spotify, you have to get rid of the Joe Rogan podcast or get rid of me.

Speaker 2 This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

Speaker 2 Make your decision, balls in your court. I'm going to guess that they're going to keep Neil Young because I don't think that Joe Rogan's doing numbers.

Speaker 2 I think Neil Young brings in upwards of 10,000 listeners a month.

Speaker 1 It's more about, like, if you're Spotify, your plan is to to try to bring in new younger listeners.

Speaker 1 Neil Young. Neil Young, yeah.
I get that.

Speaker 2 The 75-year-old Canadian folk singer, I think, is what the kids are looking for these days.

Speaker 1 I do actually love Neil Young. Really? Yeah, I think he's good.

Speaker 2 So I'm not trying to yuck your yum.

Speaker 2 I do not like Neil Young.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 not something I'm into.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 You can be into it. That's fine.
I'm not telling you what to believe. I know that Billy absolutely loves your.
Are you nervous at all?

Speaker 2 No, no, I love Neil Young's music, but Neil Young's kind kind of a shithead.

Speaker 1 Is he? Because of this? No, no, no. Don't fuck with rogues.
He literally has three kids. It's just a whole...
Never mind. Oh, damn.
So I'm one kid away from being a shithead? No, he hasn't.

Speaker 1 He fucks.

Speaker 1 He abandons. Wait, a rock star? A rock star? No.
You know, he abandoned kids not shit out of

Speaker 1 wedlock.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 2 I'm going to tell you what Billy's doing right now. Billy has gone into war mode because he threatened his idol, Joe Rogan.

Speaker 2 So Billy's been reading the replies to the replies, finding out why Neil Young is actually problematic. Am I way off on that, Billy? Find the exact story.

Speaker 1 Speaking of that, a guy made a war mode remix that we're going to put at the end of the song. I'll have to listen to it.
Wouldn't it be?

Speaker 1 It was just the email said, This isn't a take-on-me remix, it's just a song about war mode.

Speaker 1 You don't like Crosby Stills, Nash and Young?

Speaker 2 I do like Crosby Stills, Nash and Young.

Speaker 1 There you go, that's Neil Young. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 He does the old man take a look at my life. Yeah, that's a good song, too.

Speaker 2 Horse with no name. No, that's not Neil Young.
No, that's not.

Speaker 1 You're thinking of something else. Oh, Cats in the Young.

Speaker 1 You're thinking of Cats in the Cradle when I had my son, son and Hank played that song, and I was like, Hank, if you're listening to that song, it basically says that the dad works so much and isn't around that the son then

Speaker 1 turns his back on the dad when he grows up. And he's like, oh, what? It's a good song for having a kid.

Speaker 2 Good jam.

Speaker 1 It's like the worst song. How funny would it be? It's a good song.

Speaker 2 Neil Young should be like, hey, I'll record every Joe Rogan podcast, but Neil's version, like Taylor's version.

Speaker 2 So I'll say all the words that Joe Rogan says, but it's Neil Young time, baby. So yeah, Neil Young, see you.
There's the door. I'm sure Spotify is not going to lose any sleep over that.
No.

Speaker 2 My cool throne is Cincinnati because

Speaker 2 I've been inundated with Cincinnati facts this week. Like we said on Monday's show, we don't really learn that much about cities until their sports teams do well.

Speaker 2 It's like learning about countries and geography when we start bombing them. So I've had a bunch of people reach out to me.
In fact, Barstall Gooch,

Speaker 2 Robbie Goochman, hit me up and he gave me some Cincinnati facts because I think he's from Cincinnati. So here's some Cincinnati facts.
You ready?

Speaker 2 The world's last passenger pigeon, Martha, died in Cincinnati in 1914. Wow.
I think she was the oldest passenger pigeon in the world. Cincinnati fact.

Speaker 2 They once tried to build a subway system but abandoned it halfway through. So now there's just abandoned tunnels underneath the city of Cincinnati that have never been used.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 Cincinnati fact.

Speaker 1 They're the cornhole capital of the world.

Speaker 2 I believe that. I believe that too.
Cincinnati fact, the city was known as Porkopolis in the 1800s because of the pork industry and there are a lot of flying pig statues

Speaker 2 all over the city. Cincinnati fact.

Speaker 2 Cincinnati fact, Cincinnati requested that they become the capital of the United States back in the late 1700s when we moved it out of Philadelphia because they said we're more centrally located.

Speaker 1 That's good. Can't get attacked.

Speaker 2 We said no, thank you, but thank you for the offer, Cincinnati. Cincinnati fact.
So I think that's the entire history. Oh, and they also haven't killed a beloved primate in almost six years.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 They're on a hot street.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is a hot street.

Speaker 2 I've learned a lot about the city of Cincinnati this week.

Speaker 1 Sounds like it. A lot of big time, big stuff.

Speaker 2 A lot of big facts out there. I hope I got everything in.
And thank you to the good people of Cincinnati for reaching out.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seats is defense and people who love defense because I don't know if you guys saw, but

Speaker 1 we had some alternate takes, which maybe we'll put in the takies this summer of that game on Sunday night.

Speaker 1 We had some people saying that they're just playing Madden on rookie mode and it's not that exciting because defense isn't playing any, there's no good defense and all these throws are pedestrian against bad defense.

Speaker 1 So defense is on the hot seat. We need someone to show up with a good defensive performance in these final three games.
Otherwise, it's flag football.

Speaker 2 It would be incredible. It would be incredible.
What if Cincinnati just went out there and held Kansas City to 15 points?

Speaker 2 We know that's impossible because there's no chance that Cincinnati can beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 2 But I would love to see a defensive battle.

Speaker 2 And do we forget the 49ers and Packers game? There was a lot of defenses.

Speaker 1 The 49ers are a really good defense.

Speaker 2 Very good defense. Very good defense.
Defense wins championships.

Speaker 1 All right. My cool throne is,

Speaker 1 did you guys see that one tweet where someone was like, this must be what it feels like for kids to find out Santa Claus isn't real?

Speaker 1 And it was a text someone shared from their dad saying defense no longer wins championships. It's like, oh no.
Damn.

Speaker 2 What do you mean about the Santa Claus part?

Speaker 1 That's so brutal for a dad to just be like, wait, you can't win a championship with the defense. You can.
The Bucs did last year.

Speaker 2 Don't worry. It's such a tough thing because the saying offense wins games, defense wins championships, is just objectively a cool thing.

Speaker 1 It's great. It's great.

Speaker 2 And it looks good on a t-shirt. When your coach says it, you buy all the way in.
Yep. But it turns out sometimes in life, adults lie to you.
They don't always even know that they're lying to you.

Speaker 2 It turns out that scoring points can win games and championships because, guess what? You have to win games to win championships.

Speaker 1 But again, I'm saying that the defense won the championship last year. The Bucs won the championship because of their defense.

Speaker 2 So are we saying right now, take the under and the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Take the Niners, future. Defense wins championships.
That's our defense wins championships pick. My cool throne is the entire Eastern Conference in the NBA because James Harden is upset.

Speaker 1 So this is going well. I fucking love the Nets.
Like, they're going to... Kevin Durant's hurt.
Kyrie Irving plays half the games. And I saw the quote.

Speaker 1 The sources were like, James Harden doesn't enjoy living in Brooklyn, not just because of the climate, but also the state income tax is different than Texas. Oh, you think? Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're the one who wanted to get out. So it seems like it's not going so well in Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 Not great, but they are the first team to enter the metaverse, so that's huge. That's enormous.
I have no idea what that means.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they're there.

Speaker 2 Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Go watch them. Billy.

Speaker 2 Mind if I stat pad?

Speaker 1 Go off. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 My first hot seat is Britney Spears' father. Apparently, he had like some insane bugging of every hotel, room, video, and audio that Britney was in and had like a 24-7 surveillance

Speaker 2 apparatus on Britney at all times, like some pretty creepy stuff. So, yeah.
He's like Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Yeah, and my second hot seat is number two pencils.

Speaker 2 Guess what? The SAT and standardized tests are all going online by 2024.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 2 So, number two pencils out the window. Don't have to bring them around anymore.
Damn.

Speaker 1 Almost extinct. Bubbles.
Filling in the bubbles is like very therapeutic. It is.
When you know the answers.

Speaker 2 When you don't, it's the worst. No, it is.
Like, it's a version of coloring

Speaker 2 for students. Do they even make number one pencils and number three pencils?

Speaker 1 I think so. It's a different lead size, right?

Speaker 2 I've never seen anything besides a number two pencil. I actually got a couple.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.
Nice.

Speaker 2 Some black market pencils. Yeah.
I got some number pencils.

Speaker 1 You got them from the church. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some Dixons.

Speaker 2 Third hot seat.

Speaker 1 Ticonderoga.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I was a pin tech guy myself.

Speaker 1 You would.

Speaker 2 You smashed pencil fights. Doing what you want.

Speaker 2 Britney Lynn, Patrick's wife, went out and said that.

Speaker 1 We're back to the Spears. No, this is

Speaker 1 Britney. Oh, Brittany Lynn.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I've actually come around. I've actually come around on this.
I think it's a hilarious move.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like at first I was like, this is crazy, but then obviously when you think about the context of the game, like anything goes. Yeah.
You want to

Speaker 1 be popping champagne after divisional round a little dicey. But what did they say?

Speaker 1 People that are like flipping out about her.

Speaker 2 She was saying that she can't every week. It's a new thing that people criticize her for.

Speaker 1 She did post this herself. That's where it's like, I don't pay the move, but like, no, she posted it on on her Twitter.
I'm getting woke, too.

Speaker 1 Like, this is actually perfect for Patrick Mahomes because he, like,

Speaker 1 they're lightning rods.

Speaker 1 Brittany Lynn and Jackson Mahomes are lightning rods where any hate for Patrick Mahomes just goes to them and not Patrick Mahomes. It's genius.

Speaker 2 He actually comes off looking better.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Because people have sympathy. They're like, oh, man, I can't believe that Patrick has to deal with this.
What a good guy. In reality,

Speaker 2 she's probably a pretty normal person. She's celebrating a huge win by pouring champagne.
She was probably drunk, as a lot of us would probably do in that exact same situation.

Speaker 2 Spray people with champagne. It seems like a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 I really don't. She's basically the first lady.
of the city of Kansas City, right? Yes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's actually a testament to how incredible Patrick Mahomes is, that the only negative thing you can say about him is you don't like his wife and his brother.

Speaker 1 You didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 I love the fact that his wife and his brother are like thickest thieves. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 But you just run around causing chaos.

Speaker 1 What's the positives? Oh, he's one of the greatest quarterbacks. Like, he makes mind-numbing throws.
He can run. He just keeps the pocket alive.
What are his cons?

Speaker 1 I really don't like his wife's Instagram and his brother's TikTok. Okay.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 But guess what? Yeah. They're good at getting eyeballs on their TikTok.
Correct. Like, I'm coming around on Jackson Mahomes.
I respect how annoying he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. He does do that.
All right, what's your cool throne?

Speaker 2 Cool throw throne. SEC football.
Joe Burrow made a controversial statement of saying SEC stadiums are louder than NFL stadiums.

Speaker 1 I feel like he said that in October. That was an old, old clip.

Speaker 2 Which was now brought up by an NFL veteran who thought that it was quite controversial. But it's getting resurfaced.

Speaker 1 It's resurfaced.

Speaker 2 This is clickbait. Billy, you're clickbaiting people without context.

Speaker 1 I feel like Arrowhead in January is going to be a little different.

Speaker 1 I mean, some SEC stadiums, we know Tiger Stadium is very, very loud, but that place will be loud.

Speaker 2 He didn't have to play against Tiger Stadium, though.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right, Chase.

Speaker 2 Billy's stat padding kind of screwed me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Billy's that kid who takes two pieces of pizza before someone gets along.

Speaker 1 Call out the Glenny Balls. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 1 So I'll go with my hot seat.

Speaker 2 Penalty flags. So they announced the Super Bowl crew, Ron Torbert.

Speaker 2 They are...

Speaker 1 collabing.

Speaker 2 It's not a crew he's worked with.

Speaker 1 So there's like ref stats.

Speaker 4 That's so stupid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And way to fuck that up, NFL. So wait, they're taking

Speaker 1 an all-star game for that. I think it's like an all-star game.
I don't like that, actually. No, you get to shine, yeah.
Like I made the all-star game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they're going to be trying to fucking show up. What, being a ref?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel like chemistry is more important than you want a crew that's been solid together.

Speaker 2 They're greater than the sum of their parts.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 And then my cool throne is the AWLs who are golf fans. Brooks Kepka, Max Homa playing together at the Farmers Insurance Open.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That'll be fun. That will be fun.
For Brooks. They'll probably be talking about us the whole time.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 When they're mic'd up. What do you think the line is? Brooks minus five and a half?

Speaker 1 I was going to say 7,000.

Speaker 1 I love Max. Nah, Max has got, dude.
Max's tempo. Unbelievable.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what we're doing now. We're complimenting his tempo.

Speaker 2 It's just the fact that Max does well the harder we lean on him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 He'll win some fucking fake-ass tournament.

Speaker 1 Actually, right around now. This is Max season.
That's what I'm saying. This is like February and October Max season when everyone stops playing golf.
Max season.

Speaker 1 I just learned what Temple was like a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just waits till everyone, all the pros go home, and then he's like, I just won $10 million playing the PlayStation Open in fucking Anaheim. It's like on a Tuesday in

Speaker 1 November. The Little Rock Par 3

Speaker 2 nine-hole challenge.

Speaker 1 Dominant.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is six-time Pro Bowl wide receiver, Brandon Marshall.

Speaker 1 He has a podcast, I am Athlete. He just had Antonio Brown on it.
He's also on Inside the NFL with our good friend Julian Edelman.

Speaker 1 Doing everything

Speaker 1 in studio. Good to see you, man.

Speaker 4 What's up, Big Cat?

Speaker 1 I mean, the last time I saw you, I was saying we were at Jake Cutler's wedding. It was good time.
That was probably the last time I'd seen you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and the last time I seen him.

Speaker 1 Oh, I want to get right into it.

Speaker 1 You guys got to get back together.

Speaker 4 Well, what's the secret of making up, right? Like, because you guys.

Speaker 1 It's time. Just time.
Just time. Just time heals all wounds.
Because that was, yeah, he and I didn't talk for a few years. And then time just healed it all.

Speaker 1 And then we ended up in the same city in New Orleans for the national championship. And it was like, and it was like we hadn't missed a beat, though.
So that's, I have hope for you guys.

Speaker 4 Well, of course, that's that's the cutty.

Speaker 1 That's cuddy.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 No, that would be legendary. I would love to, you know, sit down with Jay on I Am Athlete or his new podcast.
It's pretty dope. Yep.

Speaker 4 It'd be cool to sit down with him and reunite and kind of relive some of those old moments, the good, the bad, the ugly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Was it was it like like off and on, hot and cold while you were playing with him?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 I mean, we're like brothers. So, I mean, I wouldn't say it was like lovely all the time.

Speaker 4 You know, we fought all the time, but there was two rough patches when

Speaker 4 Josh McDaniels came in and put him on a trading block. And he found out about that.
And then he just kind of went... you know, MIA on everyone, so no one heard from him then.

Speaker 4 And then when he was playing for the Chicago Bears, that last year was brutal on everyone. And so that took a toll on our relationship.
And that's really what did it.

Speaker 4 But you know what's interesting is when you're locked in, you're in a $16 billion business and you're making millions of dollars.

Speaker 4 You know, the pressure that we put on ourselves and our relationships is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 I find myself now like going back and, you know, hitting up some of my old teammates, like, man, you know, at the end of the day, we're still brothers. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Like, you know, that we we got to go in there and win. And there's a lot of pressure, there's a lot of tension, but now it's over.
Like, we're going to hold on to that.

Speaker 2 You get a little distance between it, and you can look back and be like, that we went through some shit together.

Speaker 2 And in the moment, there's all the tension, all the stuff that happens on a day-to-day, but you can look back on it and be like, this guy was,

Speaker 2 we're actually brothers coming out of it. Yes, football.

Speaker 4 I mean, at the end of the day, it's football. Like, okay, you know, Jay and I on the football field was like, it was football.
Now, football is no longer there.

Speaker 1 Right. And I know you've talked about it, but like, you got drafted the same class as him.
Our good friend Tony Scheffler also

Speaker 1 second-round pick of that draft. You guys went through life experiences that probably you can't like no one else understands it.

Speaker 1 You know, Tony said that you guys, after your first year, went and trained in Atlanta in the summer together.

Speaker 1 Like those things where you have all your whole entire NFL career in front of you, feels like the possibilities are endless and you guys are all grinding together.

Speaker 1 That can't, you can never take that away.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, you have teammates and then you have brothers. You know, Jay and Tony, uh, Scheffler, they were brothers, Elvis Doomer, if you can throw him in there.

Speaker 4 I mean, we're inseparable, you know, whether it's the offseason, training together, sitting down during a year, and say, Okay, what are we going to do this year to get better together? Um,

Speaker 4 you know, those moments, hell, the first time I ever had a red wine was with Jay Cutler. You know, there was a lot of firsts with Jay, you know, and Tony.
So, you know, we're brothers, and,

Speaker 4 you know, that's the difference between some cats in a locker room. Some dudes is just your co-workers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're podcasting now. You're on TV.

Speaker 1 You had Antonio Brown on your podcast.

Speaker 1 What was your biggest takeaway from that? Because there's obviously a lot has been said, like, oh, Antonio Brown's crazy. Oh, all this.

Speaker 1 When you got to sit down with him man-to-man and you walk away from the interview afterwards, what was your takeaway?

Speaker 4 He's a superstar.

Speaker 4 Absolute superstar. I mean,

Speaker 4 it was as if we were sitting down with an entertainer, you know?

Speaker 4 I think the difference between sports and entertainment, well, the biggest difference between sports and entertainment is a team. No one's bigger than a team.
No one's bigger than that logo.

Speaker 4 No one's bigger than that mission. Entertainment, right?

Speaker 1 And it's just ball, right?

Speaker 4 Entertainment, you got characters, you know, you have this, you put this persona on.

Speaker 4 you know you could you could see him kind of get into that entertainment persona that character you know he knew knew the cameras was on

Speaker 4 everything mattered from his haircut to how he dressed like all of that you know that's kind of counter culture to a lot of ball players so I think you know that's a big topic there because you know will we see more Antonio Browns you know with social media evolving and everybody's a brand you got nil name image likeness now so you can start paying guys at high school and college so they're gonna come in already thinking about business thinking about their podcasting now.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Right? They're on YouTube.

Speaker 4 They're now acting like influencers. And I think that's counterculture to sports.
But hell, it is

Speaker 4 a big business.

Speaker 2 I think in certain leagues, it's probably easier to get away with doing stuff like that than it is in the NFL sometimes because your roster is so big.

Speaker 2 And it has football more so than other sports, I think, has the mentality of like either fit in or fit out.

Speaker 2 You know, like, get out if you're not going to be part of the team, if you're not going to like submit yourself for the good of the rest of the team, unless, of course, you're extremely, extremely talented, like Antonio Brown is.

Speaker 2 And he's gotten away with being able to do a lot of that stuff over the years and be like an entertainer and have the spotlight on him because he's like, you know, top three, top four receiver in the league.

Speaker 2 Right now, since it's at the end of his career, do you see any team taking a chance and bringing him in next year?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I know he wants to play. You know, that was a question that I asked on the show Monday.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 do you want to play? Do you want to continue? He said, said, absolutely. You know, and I just, you know, I was, one of the things I was trying to get across to him was,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 if we're going to play ball, because you're right, you know, if you're going to play ball, you have to

Speaker 4 learn how to operate within the constructs of that team, that system.

Speaker 4 And so for me, it's hard. You know, I think he has a 10% chance.

Speaker 4 And I love Antonio because we, you know, we share this locker room, meaning that fraternity, the NFL. And, you know, guys aren't perfect.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, you know, he put himself in this situation. And, you know, I would say a 10% chance.
You know, look at the market for him last offseason.

Speaker 2 You know, where. Bucks could have used him on Sundays.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I'm talking about, well, just, yeah, of course. What did you think about him, like, kind of that post he had after the game, where he's...

Speaker 1 I mean, if you're a Bucs player and you put up with some of the things that come with Antonio Brown, because whatever you think, he definitely causes a media stir.

Speaker 1 And then you see him kind of clowning you after you just lost a heartbreaking game. That kind of sucks, right? Like you're talking about brotherhood and like these guys in the locker room.

Speaker 1 I thought that was kind of bullshit.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, look, there's what?

Speaker 4 You know, there's almost 100 people in that. in that locker room, right? You got players, you got coaches, you have support staff.

Speaker 4 You know, some guys will laugh at it, you know, if we're being honest. Some guys will will be like, oh, that's just him trolling.

Speaker 4 And then some guys, you know, may hold on to that and never talk again, never talk to him again. Yeah.
You know, because you're right.

Speaker 4 That is, it's like, damn, bro, you were just with us a couple of weeks ago. We're all in this together.

Speaker 1 So I, I, yeah, I think you'll get it.

Speaker 4 You'll get a mixed bag.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's, I mean, it's a good point that how many different people are in an NFL locker room and how, like, different walks of life.

Speaker 1 Um, what was the, what was the best locker room you were in, team-wise?

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Chicago Bears, my first year.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, not the last year. Hell no.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The first year in Chicago,

Speaker 4 I was never in a locker room like that. I never was on a team where I looked to the sideline and said, I didn't want to let those guys down.
You know,

Speaker 4 there were so many times Jay and I in our offense

Speaker 4 would go three and out, and

Speaker 4 Lance Briggs, Brian Nurlacher, Peanut Tillman, Charles Peanut Tillman, Julius Pepper,

Speaker 4 Izzy, and so many others would literally meet us halfway there and still shake our hands saying, Get him next time, get him next time, get him next time. You know, every day we played ping pong.

Speaker 4 You know, we played so many games, we did so many things off the field, which made the bomb better on the field.

Speaker 4 And I think that was one of the reasons, you know, we folded the way we did after Lovey was gone because they disrupted that locker room. Yeah, there was nothing like that.

Speaker 4 There was nothing like that. I mean,

Speaker 4 it was unbelievable with Brandon Nurlacher and those guys created there in Chicago.

Speaker 1 So you were in two spots where that kind of happened, where, you know, Lovey gets fired and they bring in Mark Treston. Everyone loved Lovey.
And then you were also in Denver when McDaniels comes in.

Speaker 1 What, I mean, both guys didn't turn out, didn't like pan out. What was the mistake that those two coaches made

Speaker 1 on their first go-around where it's like, they just don't get how to manage this, like the entire thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Josh McDaniels, brilliant from X's and O's.
There's no one better. You're going to be prepared.
You're going to know what's going to happen before it happens.

Speaker 4 Excellent there. I think Josh's biggest downfall during that time, that era,

Speaker 4 was his people skills, his leadership skills, right?

Speaker 4 That was the biggest thing there. Coach Trussman, I just think that he didn't have a chance because,

Speaker 4 you know, Lovey leaves in that locker room that I talked about, and he started doing things a little differently, opened up the locker room.

Speaker 4 He wanted to create that, you know, we're all in this together, you know, like that Google, Facebook type of work environment, which a lot of coaches are adopting that now.

Speaker 4 So he was, I would say, he was early.

Speaker 2 He's just ahead of his time.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and then, like, you know, Coach Trustman and I talk all the time, and we had this conversation on his podcast, you know, a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 Podcast?

Speaker 4 Yes, but it's more on business and leadership. Got it.
He's a professor at the University of Miami. He's doing some amazing things there.
But, you know, we were real. We had an open conversation.

Speaker 4 And one of the things I said was, you know, it was probably a little too early to, you know, do the things that he did. He was trying to do with the locker room.

Speaker 4 And you had guys that weren't buying in on the defensive side, which made it extremely hard.

Speaker 1 I also, I've kind of changed my thought process on the Bears and the NFL in totality that like coaches can fail, but it's really the organization fails them.

Speaker 1 I'm now starting to realize like the Bears are screwed no matter what. You know what I mean? Like I almost feel bad for Treston at this point.
I was mean to him then.

Speaker 1 But, like, I look back and I'm like, it's just a cluster fuck ahead of on top of him. So he, like, there was never a structure that was put in place to have him succeed.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, at the end of the day, yes, I mean,

Speaker 4 there's so much to that. Yeah, I do think that the McCaskies, you know, they're so passionate and they're like football royalty.
But they're so stuck in the 1950s.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And they got to get with the times.
Yes. And there's a couple organizations like that.
I talk about the Giants Giants that way as well. I love that organization.

Speaker 4 And, you know, a lot of people can study some of the ways they move, but now it's time to progress and move forward. So the McCaskies are one of those organizations.

Speaker 4 I mean, the Bears is definitely one of those organizations. It's like, all right,

Speaker 4 it's time to get it.

Speaker 2 You have to kind of shrink your ego if you're one of the older families that's owned a team for forever.

Speaker 2 Because when you were coming up, when you were in, you know, in your younger years, business was done a certain way.

Speaker 2 Maybe you had a little success then, but you have to admit that you you don't know shit about football anymore. Right.

Speaker 2 And that you need to let somebody else that's a little bit younger and has like a fresh perspective come in. I think a lot of times very rich, very successful people have a hard time doing that.

Speaker 2 Just like admitting that they're not, they don't have what it takes anymore and letting somebody else help them.

Speaker 4 For me, the McCaskies,

Speaker 4 the McCaskies is less about the football stuff because they let the football guys do their football thing, right?

Speaker 4 It's more so like, we're talking about socks here.

Speaker 1 You know, like, oh, this is how we wore socks for 50 years.

Speaker 4 Well, hell, you got these young guys that want to dress the way they want to dress.

Speaker 4 They want to listen to the music they want to listen to in the locker room, and they're just trying to put people in boxes. So I just use that as an example.

Speaker 4 I know it's like a, it's like minute and it's really nothing, but it's literally a lot of little things that makes it uncomfortable for guys to go there.

Speaker 1 And it's, it's, I mean, we joke because it's, it's cliche, but culture matters. Like culture,

Speaker 1 I'm sure you can talk about it, but like culture in different, you've been on different teams, different locker rooms.

Speaker 1 Like culture matters a lot when it comes to playing football and playing that full season.

Speaker 4 Right. Have you been to Mr.
Cece's on the corner down here?

Speaker 1 No, where's that?

Speaker 4 I just made it up. Okay.
That's like

Speaker 4 Mr. Cece's is like a little mom and pop little pizza place, right? That's it.

Speaker 1 And that's how the Chicago beers are like phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 4 Like when you talk about culture, the culture is good as far as like

Speaker 4 you go in there, nice people. They're amazing.
You know, you know them. Hell, they might be on the elliptical next to you working out.
Mr.

Speaker 4 McCaskey, George McCaskey, he parks all the way in the back, and you ask him why you park in the back. He's because I want everybody else to park, get the first, amazing people, you know.

Speaker 4 But now we're talking about a $16 billion industry.

Speaker 4 You got to bring in some people that really know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is. You're right.
I've said many times, the mom and pop, like, that

Speaker 1 the Bears is all they know. Right.
It's the family business.

Speaker 1 It's not like a lot of other ownership groups where it's like they made a lot of money, then they bought a team and it's almost like a toy to them. Yeah, this is it.
But yeah.

Speaker 2 That would have been very awkward if you had been like, yeah, I dig. Yeah, I've been to CCC.

Speaker 1 Mr. Cece down the street.
Completely made up.

Speaker 1 You're right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It sounds very familiar. That's a perfect.
I could see there being. I thought for a second there was one.
Yeah. I'm going to Google it.

Speaker 4 Before we transition, what's the inspiration behind this set?

Speaker 2 We're just messy slobs.

Speaker 1 We get our weight up.

Speaker 2 We work out. Do you still work out?

Speaker 1 I do. Yeah, could you think?

Speaker 4 House of Athletes, shameless plug.

Speaker 2 We decided that we would get a squat rack put in here so we could work out in between podcasts. And guess how that went? We didn't.

Speaker 2 Not well at all.

Speaker 1 Not well at all. Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's kind of a shit show in here.

Speaker 2 We understand that. We also, we like to keep it a little bit messy in here because it really, it really downplays the expectations from any guests that we have coming in.

Speaker 2 Like, as long as we don't completely screw up the interview, then they'll be like, all right, at least I got of that messy room alive.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 In your transition to being a,

Speaker 2 should I call you a podcaster, a show host, just an entertainment mogul,

Speaker 2 is there anything like, what has been the hardest part of that transition coming out of the NFL and changing and making your entire career in front of a microphone, in front of a camera?

Speaker 4 Yeah, actually, Bonnie, sitting next to me, our chief of staff, we were just talking about this.

Speaker 4 In March, we're going to have a handful, we're going to have like this, we're going to be a part of a business combine where a lot of NFL guys are going to come in and, you know, they get to learn business.

Speaker 4 Caleb Thornhill's putting something amazing together for these guys. And, you know, it's like, all right, they're going to spend four days with us

Speaker 4 and just shadowing. It's like, all right, one of the things that we got to hit is that transition and putting in a routine, right? Like, when I was six years old,

Speaker 4 once I got to middle school, there was an itinerary, there was an agenda set for me until I retired. Even in the offseason, I knew what I was going to do.

Speaker 4 I think the hardest thing for me in the two and a half years I've been out is setting that agenda. Like, when the hell am I going to, when am I going to podcast?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 When am I going to develop another show? When am I going to check my emails? When am I going to meet with my team? Right? Like, we have almost a hundred, you know, partners and employees, right?

Speaker 4 So it's like learning that cycle is critical. That's what got us to that, to that pinnacle, the pinnacle of

Speaker 4 football, you know, and is that routine. And now you got to put in another routine.
I mean, that's the thing that makes you successful is being able to put a plan in place and do it consistently.

Speaker 2 Yeah, consistency, I'd say, is like one thing that was, because we talk to a lot of athletes that are, you know, making their transition from, you know, their post-playing career and they want to get involved in the podcasting game.

Speaker 2 And they start up a new podcast. And then, you know, they'll do it like, they'll say, we're going to do this

Speaker 2 a few times a month. So they put it out like, you know, one week, they take two weeks off, come back out of nowhere, there's another episode.

Speaker 2 If they put if they commit to a schedule that's like we're gonna release every week, or if you're gonna do it every month, just say we're gonna do it every month and let people know when to expect it.

Speaker 2 That's that's a huge key that I think a lot of these guys are missing out on. It's just like let your audience know when to expect content from you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we gotta understand. Uh, athletes, you know, we're used to putting up content, um,

Speaker 4 an action shot, and it gets thousands of

Speaker 4 likes. And, you know, a video, you get thousands of views, maybe millions, right? So we're used to that.

Speaker 4 And then when you make that transition and you go into entertainment or podcasting, and now you get 10, 20 people.

Speaker 4 Like when we started our podcast, I Am Athlete, like when the first season, we had 84 people in the waiting room watching, or people watching live.

Speaker 4 Now we're getting up to like 22, 25,000 at times watching live. Right.
Right. So it was hard.

Speaker 4 My new york barber is the one that told me to keep going i called him one time i was like man i'm done with this

Speaker 4 it's like 84 people watching right now right right you know you got to think about that and he was like that's good for you i was like what are you talking about he's like i'm glad you're being humbled right now you're so used to millions of people watching you need to be consistent you need to stick to it i was like damn you're right and sure enough the last show we broke through We hit 500,000 views in like a couple of days.

Speaker 4 I'm like, oh. And we just kept going.
In season two, we just kept going, we kept going, and consistency is critical.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's absolutely true. Like being there for your audience, time in and time out.

Speaker 4 And that's Jose, by the way. Jose is my news.

Speaker 1 Jose, shout out to Jose, shout out, Jose.

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Speaker 1 I assume you watched the games yesterday, so we're taping this on Monday after an insane divisional round.

Speaker 1 Who do you think, like, just watching them, Mahomes, Allen, maybe throwing Burrow in there? Like, rank the young quarterbacks right now in the game because it's crazy how

Speaker 1 Jimmy G. Right.
Jimmy G just wins. The guy wins, just wins.
But, like, it's nuts to watch these guys and be like, hey, I think we're, it's cliche to say, like, oh, we're in good hands, but like,

Speaker 1 this is awesome that we're going to maybe have Mahomes versus Allen every year for the next decade.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you heard Tony Romo, and you hear guys, you heard guys on Monday, you know, talking about, oh, this was the, you know, the Allen and Mahomes duel, you know, that back and forth.

Speaker 4 It was the greatest display of quarterbacking we've ever seen, right?

Speaker 4 And they're right.

Speaker 4 It's so true. If I had to rank these guys, Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Number one easy.

Speaker 4 Easy.

Speaker 4 It's not even a debate. Patrick Mahomes, you know, Josh Allen, even if he had won that game,

Speaker 4 he would have started the conversation. But I mean, you got to go win a Super Bowl and you got to go do what he's done consistently year after year after year.
So he's number one for me.

Speaker 4 I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. I've been saying it for two years.
I mean, you got to think about where he comes from.

Speaker 4 The kid didn't even have a chance in college, and look who he was throwing to in the competition for him to be able to link up with Brian Dayball

Speaker 4 and do what he's done the last two years is remarkable.

Speaker 4 I like Joe Burrow, Smoking Joe. I mean, did we not know he was going to be great when he won the national championship and he had a Stogie in his mouth after?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got like the quarterback swagger where you look at him and you're like, okay, I think his whole team just loves him, right? Like, they all just are like, we're gonna ride with this guy.

Speaker 4 You know what? I said this yesterday, and I hate to hate because I know you're friends, you're like best friends with Jay.

Speaker 1 Well, no, you're friends with him, too. Yeah, well, it's like

Speaker 4 what is it like when it's like a sabbatical? We're on a sabbatical ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's taking a break, taking a break.

Speaker 4 Seeing other people, you know, I was watching Joe Burrows' interview yesterday, you know, just his personality and also like his

Speaker 4 confidence/slash cockiness.

Speaker 4 And I was like, that's what Jay was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 No, he was at times.

Speaker 4 Well, Jay, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 4 Joe Burrow, really, he's a savage.

Speaker 1 No, he is a savage. He's crazy.

Speaker 2 I think the problem with Jay was sometimes after a bad loss or a bad string of losses, he still had that personality. And he'd still put that out there where he was like, I'm cool.
I'm Jay.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, it's one thing to do that if you're coming off. a nice run like Joe Burrow's on or you just want a national champion like you can ooze all that swagger and be like okay

Speaker 2 I'm the man right now, so I'm going to act a little bit like I'm the man. But if you do that enough after losing seasons, people are you know, it gets tiresome a little bit.

Speaker 1 Do you know what the comparison, though, that does work between Joe Burrow and Jay is their toughness? Like, Jay was

Speaker 1 Jay never got the credit that he deserved for his toughness.

Speaker 1 And I think Joe Burrow is the type of guy where it's like he got sacked nine times and he's just like keeps getting back up, keeps making plays.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, yeah, Jay was super tough and super competitor. Yeah,

Speaker 4 it was phenomenal seeing Jay get hit and then bounce back up, don't say anything. You don't know if the guy's going to make it to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, and he's out there.

Speaker 4 And then the circumstances, you look at that year with, was it Mike Martz in Chicago?

Speaker 4 Probably hit the most ever. You know, it was brutal.

Speaker 1 Seven-step drops. Yeah.
Nine-step drops.

Speaker 4 But the NFL

Speaker 4 is in great hands right now. You know, even you have the young gun out there, Justin Herbert as well.
You can throw in there and be exciting to see

Speaker 4 us next year, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 And we kind of forgot Kyler Murray.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think Kyler Murray might be too short?

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. He blocked me on Twitter, so I don't hear what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, he made it to the NFL. He's balling.

Speaker 4 He threw for over, what, 4,000 yards?

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, no, he's really, really good.

Speaker 2 I think he just needs to

Speaker 1 coach.

Speaker 2 I don't think that Cliff is the guy to take him to the next level. I think that Cliff has proved time and time again that he's actually

Speaker 2 not that great of a head coach. He can do some exciting things early on in season, but once there's a little bit of tape out of what they're doing that year, teams just catch up to him.

Speaker 1 How much does that suck when, like,

Speaker 1 don't name names. You don't have to blast it.

Speaker 4 I don't name a name. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm real. I'm real.
I just like

Speaker 1 names.

Speaker 4 At people, you can at me. Let's have real conversations.

Speaker 1 Could you tell the difference in your coaches and offensive coordinators and coaching staffs, like the guys who are putting you in a great

Speaker 1 position to succeed. And then the guys you're like, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, 100%. We talked about a guy earlier, Josh McDaniels.
Never been more prepared in my life. Really? 0-4 game.
Yeah, Josh McDaniels was excellent, right? So you absolutely get it.

Speaker 4 And you understand, like, even this past weekend, everyone was saying, oh, one of the greatest weekends of football ever.

Speaker 4 And if you just narrow it down to like one thing, what was the one thing that made this great? It was situational football.

Speaker 4 That's what what it was two-minute offense two minute defense four minute offense can we run a clock are we going to stay in bounds what about special teams yes packers yes situational football some of these plays the kansas city chiefs the the little the little drop-off to uh Tyreek Hill, and then you had two guys go block, and then he scooted up the field, then he got down.

Speaker 4 Like, those are things that you work on in camp.

Speaker 4 You implement that in camp, and then you just work on it maybe once a week. You just touch And then all of a sudden, when you need it, it's there.
But can you execute?

Speaker 4 Guys like Josh McDaniels, you know, those are things that they just, they do it better than anybody else, right? So you're always prepared.

Speaker 4 And then you go on some other teams like, shit, you got to ask the coach, well, you know, third, you know, this fourth quarter, we enter in the fringe, the fringe area, two-minute drive.

Speaker 4 All right, you know, games on the line, we're down by three, right? What defense are they going to call? And give me the percentage. Ah, Josh McDaniels is going to look at you.

Speaker 4 He's going to say, oh, yeah, you ended in the fringe, fourth quarter, games on the line, down by three. Yeah, it's probably going to be, you know, 50% chance.

Speaker 4 It's 50% of the time this defensive coordinator is going to go cover zero.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 And so here's our answer to that.

Speaker 1 And then it must feel like a superpower when

Speaker 1 you see it on the field after you learned it all week.

Speaker 4 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're ready. I mean, and some coaches be like, hey, this is what I think they're going to do.
And, you know, be prepared for this.

Speaker 4 Josh McDaniels, and I would, you know, I would assume that it's like that in New England as well with Bill Belichick. It's like they come in and they say, this is what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, jackasses, this is what's going to happen. You know, it's no, don't even think about it.
Just do this. Do your job.

Speaker 1 This is what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 I think you like Josh McDaniels because he threw you the ball 21 times in a game one time.

Speaker 1 That's what I think.

Speaker 2 I remember that game.

Speaker 1 Cal Orton. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Like, do you ever look back at it? Well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 In the moment, when you're, you make 21 catches in a game, you start game planning for the next week, and you're like, if I get anything less than 20 catches, it's a complete failure.

Speaker 2 Like, did that reset your expectations of what that offense was going to look like?

Speaker 4 No, it was that was an anomaly, and I knew it. Before the game, I went up to Michael Smith, used to be on ESPN, and I had my little headphones on.

Speaker 4 I said, bro, I'm telling you this because I want you to report on it later. I said, this is going to be the best game I've ever played in my life.
Right.

Speaker 4 So I just felt it like I was like crescendoing all week and asked Jay about it crescendo I was crescendoing all weekend

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 and and I was just speaking it into existence like I like yeah so 28 you were just telling Kyle Orton you're like hey you're gonna throw me the ball three times yeah I had no I was just like is I didn't know what how it was gonna look I didn't know if it was gonna be 20 catches I didn't know if it was gonna be 250 receiving yards I didn't know if it was gonna be five touchdowns had no clue I just felt really good but Jay-Z just dropped an album, and I'm a big Jay-Z fan.

Speaker 4 And so all week, I was just like, everything he does is like effortless, right? And so I was just like, that's all I was listening to. That's all I was channeling.

Speaker 4 And so I, you know, if you saw, if you go back and watch that game after every catch, I would just get up and I would go back to the huddle.

Speaker 4 And what I was trying to was like, this is what I do, right? Like, this is easy to me, right? So I wasn't talking trash. You know, I wasn't celebrating.

Speaker 4 It was just getting up, handing the ball back to the ref.

Speaker 1 What's

Speaker 1 talking about playing the wide receiver position?

Speaker 1 I love to talk to athletes and ask just a simple question. What is the one part of the job of being a wide receiver that fans don't pick up on?

Speaker 1 That the common fan, us idiots sitting on the couch, like, how can you not do that? It's like, no, no, that's not how it works. Right.
What is that one thing? That's a hard question.

Speaker 4 What's the one thing?

Speaker 1 Like, you know, whether it be like how, like, route running or whatever it may be, like, the one thing that you don't, people don't, the misconception about being a wide receiver that you don't really understand.

Speaker 1 Right. I don't know.
I'm always shocked. Like, I throw one out there.
Like, body control

Speaker 1 and the ability to get feet down is so incredible. Like, we see it and it's routine in our eyes, but you don't understand the muscles that go into that.
Right. It just, like, blows your mind.
Right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I think, like,

Speaker 4 yeah, Travis Kelsey this weekend, you know, that back shoulder game winning. Was it the game winner? Yes.
Yes. It was a game winner, right? It's he ran a out and then up

Speaker 4 and then he had the back shoulder there. But, you know, little things like that, that play doesn't work if he's actually running that route anticipating or running it for the back shoulder.

Speaker 4 You have to run it to win, like as if it's going to be over top, right?

Speaker 4 So you run it that way and you let the quarterback throw there, throw the ball there, and then you got to be, you got to put your body,

Speaker 4 it's like open up your hips. We call it open up your hips.
You got to open up your hips so you can turn around and make that catch. That's hard for a lot of guys to do.

Speaker 4 You would think that, oh, that's just a wide receiver. That's just a, you know, a Hall of Fame tight end.
You know, yeah, that's what he's supposed to do. And any guy is supposed to do that.
No.

Speaker 4 Uh-uh. That's why you only see a handful of guys able to do that.
In today's game, you got Odell Beckham Jr.

Speaker 4 You see what him and Matthew Stafford been able to do over the last six, seven games, whatever it's been.

Speaker 4 So I think understanding route running, understanding, you know, just the nuances, but, you know, in route running and understanding coverage because there's so much that goes into it.

Speaker 4 Because that route changes also if it's not man-to-man, if it's zone, what do you do? So there's a lot that you have to think through and work through within, you know, a second quarterback.

Speaker 4 All right, we can go I-right, Z-Zing. We're going to go, you know, Z-Pop X prick on two, on two.

Speaker 1 Ready? Break.

Speaker 4 Then you go out there. Now you got to see what is my linebacker.
What is the safety? What is the corner doing? All right.

Speaker 1 Now, okay, it's on one.

Speaker 4 Oh, now I got to go in motion. Oh, shit.
The safety came down. So now that changes.

Speaker 1 Said,

Speaker 4 oh, the safety went back. What am I doing? Right.
So it's a lot in your head.

Speaker 1 And you're right. That Travis Kelsey touchdown looked like routine.
Yeah. It looked easy because that's what they make it look like.

Speaker 1 Like, we watched that game. We're like, that's just easy.
That's Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 2 What about when you jump into the air to make a catch and you got to get two feet down?

Speaker 2 That to me is sometimes the most amazing thing that receivers are able to do nowadays is they're just able to let their entire body kind of go limp as they're twisting in the air, just focus on getting the toes down.

Speaker 2 Is it something that you think about, like, after you secure the ball in the air? Does your brain actually tell you, like, okay, now it's time to get the feet down?

Speaker 2 Or is it something that you've worked on so much that it's almost like an instinct at that point?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's hard, man.

Speaker 4 That question's come up a couple times over the last month.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I never thought of it.
The only time I ever thought about it was in college. In college, I never understood why college receivers would only, you know, okay, the rule is get one foot in.

Speaker 4 And they would just focus on getting one foot in.

Speaker 2 Try for two.

Speaker 4 Yeah, for me, it was like, I'm going to the NFL. Yep.
Like, I'm working on that shit today. You know what I'm saying? So I never understood it, you know, why college dudes did that.

Speaker 4 I'm like, no, like, let's play NFL ball right now. And so, like, that's the only time it ever came up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you work on it. There's drills that you do.
But I think, you know, the Odell, you just have a feel.

Speaker 4 You know, that's the best way I can describe it. There's some guys don't have a feel.
You know, and it's guys that can do that, guys also understand, like, okay, I got this end cut. It's quarters.

Speaker 4 This guy's driving down on me. You can feel everything around you.
It's,

Speaker 4 I don't know. It's just like, it's almost like an innate ability.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Hank's a big believer of if you can touch it, you can catch it.
Is that true?

Speaker 1 Yeah, good question.

Speaker 4 It's kind of, it's kind of, I hate that.

Speaker 1 It's terrible.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Hank, but it's true. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, because when you say, I have a football here,

Speaker 1 there's a small one underneath you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like when you say touch it, because like the locks are like, oh, you touched it, that's a drop, right? Like, what happens if it just, if it just touched the two fingers?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should have caught it. That's what Hank throws.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, Hank, this is, you want me, where's Hank? Hank, you want me to catch this, Hank?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
I'm going to pull up the play, actually. There was, do you remember the Washington football team Giants game? Daniel Jones had an overthrow.

Speaker 1 I said it was a bad throw, and everyone was like, the receiver touched it. He should catch it.
Get it up. And I got absolutely dunked on.
And I was saying what you're saying. It was a bad throw.

Speaker 1 It was an overthrow. Just because he touches it doesn't mean you can catch it.
And now, because I got dunked on so hard, I have to just remind people of how bad I got dunked on.

Speaker 1 If you touch it, you can catch it. Anytime it barely grazes a wide receiver's fingers, Hank will be like, well, I thought it was if you touch it, you can catch it.
It's millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 He's on your side, actually.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 He thought it was, yeah, we need to see this play. I won't be able to react.

Speaker 4 And and then also there's there's and this is something right that um

Speaker 4 you know that that some people may not see but a lot of times there may be some trash balls right

Speaker 4 and the wide receiver will put himself in position to actually give himself an opportunity to make a play right but then he drops it and it's like oh it hit his hand it's like no you don't understand what it took for him to actually flip his hips right he's 60 yards down the field the ball was supposed to be thrown over his right shoulder it was thrown outside over his left shoulder.

Speaker 4 He flipped around, tracked the ball down, and tried to keep his feet in bounds. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Also, the ball got lost in lights as well because there's a blind, there's a lot of most AMs, there's a blind spot, right? These huge lights there.

Speaker 4 And so

Speaker 4 those are things that people don't see. It's like, oh, he just dropped the ball.
It's like, man. That was impressive for that dude just to get his hand just to even get his hands on the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got it. All right, this is good.
We're going to get the official judgment of was this a bad pass or should he have caught it? Okay.

Speaker 4 This is good. Danny Dimes drops it.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 2 It's for all the marbles for Hank here.

Speaker 4 Hold on. So what did you say? Overthrow.
You say overthrow?

Speaker 1 He said bad pass. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. Oh, could he have caught that? Does he get paid millions of dollars to make that catch? Should he have caught that? Oh, yes, he's about to catch that.
What are you talking about? Even this one.

Speaker 4 You can catch it. Yeah, even that one, a lot of times, too.

Speaker 4 Even this, right? And this is what separates the good from the great.

Speaker 4 Even if the ball was

Speaker 4 say if it was another yard out in front of him,

Speaker 4 that's when you know one hand, extend. Because now you can, I can extend more if I do this, if I open up my shoulders right here.
I'm short.

Speaker 4 So that's why you see a lot of guys like, why did he throw out one hand? Well, because that's what I meant. He's getting to the ball.

Speaker 1 No, he absolutely.

Speaker 4 That should have been like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Come on.
Damn, Hank.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 1 You lose.

Speaker 1 Hank for me one time, Hank. Fair enough.
Now pull up the Antonio Brown drop.

Speaker 4 That's why Hank is the producer.

Speaker 4 Hank is one of the producers on this show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 I saw that you played a game with our friend Frank Gore when he was on your podcast, where you asked him to name players that maybe he had played in the league with, maybe you hadn't.

Speaker 2 I got a question for you, kind of along similar lines. Can you name every quarterback that you played with that you cut a touchdown pass from?

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I think I played with like 18 quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 Because I looked up, you got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine quarterbacks. Then I caught a touchdown.

Speaker 1 That you caught a touchdown pass. Let's go.

Speaker 4 Jay Cutler.

Speaker 1 Kyle Orton.

Speaker 1 Fitz,

Speaker 4 Chris Sims.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Henney.

Speaker 4 Matt Moore. And I got one more.

Speaker 2 I think you might have named a couple guys that you didn't catch a touchdown.

Speaker 1 No, no. Who?

Speaker 2 I don't think that you caught a touchdown pass from Chris Sims. I did.

Speaker 4 Washington. You missed out.
Two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Yep.
Cal Horton went down.

Speaker 4 Two bombs.

Speaker 2 I go by ProFootball Reference.com.

Speaker 1 Did you catch one?

Speaker 1 Did that one stupid game that Tressman tried to save his job and have Jimmy Clausen start in like week 15?

Speaker 1 I did not catch.

Speaker 4 I don't even know if I played.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you might not have.

Speaker 1 That was an all-time moment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, what are we doing? Let me go back here. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait.

Speaker 2 when did you catch a pass from Chris Sims?

Speaker 4 So that was Josh McDaniels year. That was 2010.

Speaker 1 Wait, did you say Josh McCown?

Speaker 4 Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but have you, did you catch one from Josh McCall? Absolutely in Green Bay. In Green Bay.

Speaker 4 Yes. Yes.
It was a nice back shoulder on the left side. We were getting smashed 50-something to three.

Speaker 1 Josh McCown was, I mean, I love Josh. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I caught a couple of touchdowns from Josh McCown.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You also had.

Speaker 2 It says Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler, and Jake Plummer are the three quarterbacks that you caught touchdown passes from in Denver.

Speaker 4 Okay, I don't remember Jake Plummer, but I was going to go back to Jay Cluttler.

Speaker 1 What about

Speaker 1 Jason Campbell, that game that we got killed by the Niners on Monday Night Football?

Speaker 1 Was that? No, we got killed. Oh, that was one of my favorite games that you've ever played.
Monday Night Football, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, in San Francisco. Oh, yeah.
Remember that?

Speaker 1 Three touchdowns? Three touchdowns, second half, comeback. Wow.
Opened the stadium. That was high.

Speaker 1 Actually high?

Speaker 4 Yeah, like

Speaker 4 two, three tour dolls.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 4 painkillers. I wasn't supposed to play that game.
I was supposed to be out six weeks. The game before,

Speaker 4 high ankle spring. And I just asked Phil Emery and coaches, like, yo, just get me to,

Speaker 4 you know, pregame to

Speaker 4 show that I can play. So only, it was only three catches, three touchdowns.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you, it was the comeback. I got to look it up.
It was they opened the stadium. Yeah, first game.
100%. 100%.

Speaker 4 I had three catches, three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Monday Night Football. That was one of my favorite games that you had.
Yep.

Speaker 1 What's the last question? Like,

Speaker 1 looking back at your career, you've been out for a couple years now.

Speaker 1 Like, what's... Oh, yeah, that was fourth quarter, 21 points.
I'm looking back at the box score right now.

Speaker 1 You had five catches, 48 yards, three touchdowns. Five catches? You were so high, you don't even remember how many catches you had.

Speaker 4 I know, I always think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 But it was big-ass touchdowns. Yeah, they were.

Speaker 4 You shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1 You had to play a football game. You had two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Two touchdown catches

Speaker 1 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Looking back on your career, what's the one thing you're like, regret or like, man, I should have done that differently.

Speaker 1 Is there anything that sticks out that you're like, shit, that could have gone better?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, that.

Speaker 1 Like, football

Speaker 4 is big business.

Speaker 4 And I think as players, a lot of our players, where we come from, it's not business, it's personal. Like,

Speaker 4 how do I separate the personal in the business when football is the reason why my mom eats or my sister, you know, has a roof over her head, right?

Speaker 4 And that's the reality is like the things that drove me every single day, whether it was 5 a.m. mat drills or

Speaker 4 even that navigated me in the streets where it's like, yo, you can go this way, but you might be able to, you might throw your career away and you ain't going to be able to take care of your family.

Speaker 4 Like, how do I separate, you know, that football, the business around it,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 4 the personal,

Speaker 4 because it saved my life. It saved, you know,

Speaker 4 the people around me, their lives, right? Like, literally.

Speaker 4 And it's hard.

Speaker 4 So, in those moments, whether it's on the sideline, you know, it's hard to, when a coach, like whether it's Bruce Arians, you know, with AB saying, get the fuck out of here, and saying, you're done, do, do the throat slashing thing.

Speaker 4 Like, now you go, it's just personal. Who are you talking to? So, I wish back then,

Speaker 4 I wouldn't even say I wish.

Speaker 4 I I mean and it's not even a regret because I understand it right like a lot of people may not understand it, you know, but it is just who I am, you know, and you know the good the bad the ugly and you know I had to survive and I had to thrive and when you come from a place like that, you know, those are the skills that you have.

Speaker 4 So like I'm a product of my environment.

Speaker 4 So you know, the one thing I look back on my career is like, damn, that those some tough moments are when I lost control, you know, and I let the emotions, emotions, my emotions get the best of me, right?

Speaker 4 And that's some, that's one of the things that I wanted to, you know, sit down and share with Antonio Brown was that is like, I get it. I understand it.

Speaker 4 No one understands it more, but you got to understand, like, now you're not in control of the moment because now we're just talking about you. Is something wrong?

Speaker 4 Is CTE, mental health, et cetera, et cetera, right?

Speaker 4 So I think when I look back, you know, the emotions got the best of me sometimes the first half of my career.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, it's, it's a good, it's a good, like, big picture lesson. You could also just say, don't wear pajama pants when you're going to get videotaped once in the fall.
Oh, bro.

Speaker 1 That was an all-that was my thing. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 That was my thing. I used to wear pajama pants.

Speaker 1 I know, in that clip when you were, that was the end of Denver, right?

Speaker 4 That's where I used to warm up in pajama pants.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, in the end of Denver. The Josh McDaniels days were weird times in Denver.
Very weird.

Speaker 4 But that started before Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 Right? Pajama pants. Okay.
Oh, no, I'm saying like

Speaker 1 how everything kind of fell apart there. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So you played for Mike Shanahan there. Actually, Tony Schuffler told us that

Speaker 2 he had a tanning bed inside his house. And when he would throw parties, because he'd throw like an annual party for all the players to go to, he would show off.

Speaker 2 He'd take people on the tour and be like, yeah, this is my tanning bed in my house. Did you ever see the tanning bed?

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 I mean, it was like a 16,000 square foot home. That was some of the best parties.
I ran to Coach Shanahan a couple months ago in Denver, and I was like, Coach, you got to do that party again.

Speaker 1 People loved him. Legendary.
It feels like anyone who played for him is like he was the best.

Speaker 4 Brandon Marshall here on Party My Take.

Speaker 1 All right.

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Speaker 2 I think you might have missed Fitzy and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 No, I said Fitzy.

Speaker 1 Oh, I did. Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Russ. Was that weird at the end of your career? Like, there's certain guys that finish their careers on teams that you don't expect them to play for.

Speaker 2 And, like, picturing you in a Seahawks uniform, I feel like it was like awkward.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you look at it and you're like, this doesn't

Speaker 1 look right. Yeah, right.
Exactly. Yes.
Yeah, you caught

Speaker 2 one touchdown from him.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. We got FAQs.

Speaker 1 Henry.

Speaker 1 I always wondered and hoped that he was talking to us, but when PFT says, love you guys, is he talking to the fans or the group?

Speaker 1 He's looking directly in our eye. He actually, if you watch on the YouTube, which we had a pre-show today, which was very hilarious, go subscribe and like.

Speaker 1 He takes off his glasses just a little bit, locks eyes with every single one of us, and says, love you guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, the real answer is I'll never tell. That's for me to know and for you to find out.

Speaker 1 Well, some of you aren't loved. And you should talk to a therapist about it.

Speaker 2 It's, yeah, it says more about you that you're asking that question.

Speaker 1 It seems like you're insecure.

Speaker 2 that I haven't been saying it to you.

Speaker 1 Not an FAQ, but a lot of cues. My buddy is in charge of sports for our local YMCA.
They're short coaches, so he wants me to volunteer. It's 11 under co-ed.
I'm 100% committed to building a dynasty.

Speaker 1 Now I need to know answers to the following. What offense should I run? Do I let everyone play? Do I wear a suit or sweats? And how much conditioning do I make them do?

Speaker 2 I think you got to go sweat. Co-ed?

Speaker 1 What? Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 Go full jumpsuit. Wait, did he say C-U-I-O? What sport are we talking about?

Speaker 1 Basketball? Basketball.

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 maybe just chill out. They'll probably remember you more if you're just cool and try to teach them something than build the dynasty.

Speaker 2 How old are these?

Speaker 1 11. 11, yeah.
Yeah. That's right on the age.
You don't want to be too much of a hardo.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would

Speaker 2 just, you know, make sure they all get to play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, no, you don't have to do that. 11, I think, is right around the age when you're playing.
Locate your best player and just feed them the raw.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, 11 is right when you can be like, all right, you can play a little bit, but not all the time.

Speaker 1 But yeah, don't be a dick. This guy sounds like he might go too hard.

Speaker 2 Just practice strictly buzzer beaters, and no matter what the game is, if they just hit buzzer beaters, it's going to be electric no matter what.

Speaker 1 That would be funny if you just do, like, if you just only shoot from half court.

Speaker 1 And the kings will hire you or something.

Speaker 2 Or if your team just straight up does it a verbal countdown every time you have the ball and goes like three, two,

Speaker 2 one.

Speaker 1 So every shot you you get to practice hitting at the buzzer also try doing the get on all fours and bark like a dog play one team does that and i as far as the internet has told me that play has never failed it this is actually serious if you really want to be a dynasty and don't like be a dick about it and run them too hard teach them all uh how to shoot sky hooks you can't guard it You would not be able to guard it.

Speaker 1 Sky hooks for everyone. Like imagine if you just run an offense where you just feed the posts and sky hook over everyone.

Speaker 2 It'd be awesome. So on offense, run the sky hook offense.
On defense, just play zone. Yeah.
And kids will not know what to do with a zone. It's very simple.
Do the... Now, Jake,

Speaker 2 is it a 1-3-1 zone? Because there's been a lot of people that have been arguing over this in my mentions over the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 There's different. I think you can go 2-3 with 11-year-olds.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but what is the Syracuse zone tech? 2-3-zone. It's a 2-3 zone because people are like, it's really a 1-3-1 zone.

Speaker 1 Or you can go

Speaker 1 ahead and change it a little bit. The best is running a box in one.
Just have your best defender on their best player. They don't know if you're man.

Speaker 2 I think you need to bring back the memes for this home stretch. I will.
The triangle in two, if it's a really good player. But yeah, just play zone defense and no one will know what to do with it.

Speaker 1 Favorite place you've ever lived for each of you?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's Madison because of college.

Speaker 2 Manhattan, New York. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's college. College was very fun.
I hope people had fun at college. I didn't go to college.
My college experience was on a bus. Well, I went to college for a year.
Was it fun? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So there you go. It wasn't my favorite place I lived, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 I like Harrisonburg. It's a lovely town when it doesn't smell good.

Speaker 1 Go to a fun college.

Speaker 2 That's what I would say. I would say Austin.
Austin is a great city. It might not be that cool anymore.
I don't know. I've heard rumors that it's maybe it's not.

Speaker 2 But no, Austin was great in the late 2000s.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Brooks, when is the Brooks vs. Dave golf outing happening?

Speaker 1 Next question.

Speaker 1 Never. It's not.
It's never.

Speaker 1 I don't think we ever really

Speaker 1 followed up on the show. Brooks did.
There's beef. Yeah, he did it with Bryson, and he got injured and couldn't do it with Dave, and then they said they were going to reschedule, and Dave.

Speaker 1 I think, yeah. So that's beef.
That's beef. That's real beef, I believe.
The answer is never. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's up, fellas? What's the best dish slash food to see? We should play Brooks.

Speaker 1 Scramble, us four.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which four? I'm in. Who's the four? Well, Jake's a good golfer, right?

Speaker 2 Well, Hank, you and Bubba aren't content.

Speaker 1 True, that's true. You're out.

Speaker 1 I'm very confounded.

Speaker 1 I don't know where I stand on that. Jake, are you good? I'm all right.

Speaker 2 Here's what we do: it's me, Big Cat, Jake, and Hank, and Billy's all of our caddies. So he carries four bags at once.

Speaker 1 And we get to throw the ball once a hole.

Speaker 1 I always say that. Off the green, yeah.
No, I know anywhere.

Speaker 2 We can putt, we can hand-putt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you. I mean, I think we probably want to use it for our short game.

Speaker 1 One throw a game. Yeah, if we're like if we're like, you know, 40 yards away, I think that's a throw.

Speaker 2 The old hand wedge. Yeah.
I had the best round of my life with the new Larry the Goldfish part of my take. Head covers over.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're going to fly them on a barrel.

Speaker 1 Those are unrealistic. Eric Brooks is hugely singing.

Speaker 2 The gauntlet has been thrown down.

Speaker 1 Who wins? Scramble of us and Max versus Brooks.

Speaker 1 Brooks? Easily? Yeah, probably. I mean, it's basically the same same thing.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll go with this last one.

Speaker 2 Does Max get to throw one ball per hole? Because I'd take his game.

Speaker 1 I think it would help, yeah.

Speaker 1 Would you rather be the guy in your favorite sports moment, but that's all you have for your career? So it's only one play, but it's legendary, like the Butler pick and Super Bowl, or

Speaker 1 Stefan Maddows goal, and Rangers Tan Lake Cup. Don't know who that is.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Or get paid a crazy amount of money, whatever's considered a crazy amount of money to you. Oh,

Speaker 1 easy.

Speaker 2 Get paid a crazy amount of money. Yeah.
It's not even close because if I'm the guy in my memory, then that memory, like, I still have the memory if I'm.

Speaker 1 I'm Malcolm Butler. Yeah, but you are Malcolm Butler.
Yeah, but you, Hank, imagine

Speaker 1 what's your favorite sports memory? I think it would get annoying after a while. Like to have everyone be like, remember that time that you did it? And it's like, yeah, I did other things.

Speaker 1 Like, no, no, no, you have that one play.

Speaker 1 Making a lot of money would be cool, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's also a tough question to answer.

Speaker 1 Like Joe Carter walk off home. But Joe Carter was like an incredible baseball player.

Speaker 1 Well, they haven't had anything. But then the question is the sports, favorite sports woman, but that's all you have for your career.
So it's like Joe Carter.

Speaker 1 I'd be Michael Jordan. No, but like Michael Jordan, like

Speaker 1 what's the defining moment of the money? It wouldn't be Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 You would be Big Cat. on that Bulls team

Speaker 2 making that one shot that Michael Jordan. So you don't get his entire career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, I still think that. So I would be.
If you could pick the amount of money,

Speaker 2 I would be Randy Johnson.

Speaker 2 I would have killed a bird.

Speaker 1 Some things are bigger than money. I'd be Tiger Woods in a Perkins.

Speaker 1 For the love of the game, Big Cat.

Speaker 1 That's why we get it.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying,

Speaker 1 I think it would be annoying. I think it would be awesome to be that guy, but I think it would eventually get annoying to be the guy that's only remembered for one thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And always having to talk about that one thing.

Speaker 2 Plus, I enjoy all of my sports memories that I have. That's what makes them so great.

Speaker 2 If I was was just way, way, way richer and I'd still have those sports memories, I would take that easily over me having done one thing in one game one day.

Speaker 1 I would just buy my favorite teams, too. Good point.

Speaker 1 It's the fact that there's no cap to the money makes it easy.

Speaker 1 If you said $10 million and it's like, okay, now this is a real debate, but if it's like you can have $10 billion and you can buy whatever team you want, that'd be sick.

Speaker 2 No cap.

Speaker 1 No cap. All right, numbers.
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Speaker 1 I wish we had a guy around here who could tell us about football numbers.

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Ball gammy.

Speaker 2 Love you guys. Polar bears are shot on site in Iceland.

Speaker 1 Whoa. They have fade on site.
Damn. Fade on.

Speaker 8 You want to know what it feels like to be in war mode?

Speaker 8 Feels like wrestling a 600-pound greased up grizzly bear in the nude after you shotgun 17 cores light and AC DC's hit 1990 song Thunderstruck plays in the background somehow

Speaker 8 Feels like getting in a full-on fist fight with your stepdad Rick cuz it won't let you take creatine and flip NFTs anymore.

Speaker 6 Fuck you Rick

Speaker 8 You don't know shit about crypto

Speaker 8 Feels like sticking your dick in a ceiling fan going full speed out of anger cuz your football coach moved you from quarterback to wide receiver cuz you could only bench 215 and can't identify cover two defense for shit

Speaker 8 And if you've never fought a retired 57-year-old baseball player with bad shoulders, then you don't know what warm world feels like. And you can fuck right off back to Pussy Pants Island.

Speaker 2 Pardon my take, presented by Barcelona Sports.