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Today is Monday, August 18th, and our clocks are already dead.

Yeah, what happened back then?

Our clocks are already dead.

We lose power?

I know we're going to talk some sports, but our clocks are already dead.

What happened to our clocks?

we've got to get a uh uh permanent power solution to the clocks we were borrowing power it's what do you mean power we're stealing it from the neighbors

we it it was impermanent it's going to become permanent okay all right make it permanent yes jersey jerry's still permanent so we got to plug them in yeah but yes but there's we're we're just gonna make we gotta make sure it's safe make sure it's routed and and the

They'll be back up better than ever.

They're back up right now.

We gotta back up right now.

We got 17 days until football.

Yeah, 17.

I was going to say, that's how I wanted to lead the show, but the clocks were broken.

I'm feeling it, boys.

We're so close.

We're so goddamn close.

The weird thing is with those clocks, when they're broken, they're actually not right twice a day.

Yeah.

Because they're just digital.

They're just tough clocks.

Yeah, but we are so close.

It just, this has been, I don't know, I feel like this has been the longest summer in terms of like not a lot of sports going on.

We've done a good job talking baseball.

We're going to talk UFC today, but we're so close.

We have week zero this weekend.

You can just feel it.

I could feel it in the air.

Football is right here.

I was outside a couple of days ago.

It was so hot.

I just thought to myself, man, this would be perfect if it was a fall morning.

Yeah.

If it was Saturday,

60 degrees outside.

Maybe you get an outdoor fire going.

You got the outdoor TVs.

You got the cooler.

You got the grill on.

Neighbors are cooking burgers.

Just smelling like football.

Yeah, smelling like football.

All right, so preseason.

Do we have anything that we care about?

There was an awesome fight in the Jaguars-New Orleans Saints game.

That was my biggest takeaway.

I think we should do some predictions because I think we're going to get starting quarterbacks announced maybe this week.

Oh.

What players fought?

It wasn't players.

It was two fans.

And then the guy, did you watch it?

Did you see the video?

It was awesome.

It's playing right now.

I think that was actually Travis Hunter.

It was Travis Hunter versus Saints guy.

And

they actually probably better than the main event of UFC 390.

Oh, for sure.

Although there was some ground and pound in this fight.

Great offense and defense by Travis Hunter in this fight.

The level you have to be to get in a fist fight in an NFL game first, and then second, have it be a preseason game.

You just got to love the hustle by these guys.

Yes.

The pants come down.

Yeah, the pants fall down at the NSC.

Yeah, I have to confess.

When you're trying to go for more and your pants fall down and then they both fell.

But yeah, that's a.

These guys are like fans of the year material because

to like a preseason game, no one cares.

You're showing up.

It's usually probably for your, like,

you have season tickets.

You're like, fuck it, I'll bring my kids at the middle of the day, whatever.

And then you're getting in a fist fight and your pants are falling down.

Yeah.

Fan of the year.

The pants falling down, it's a good move.

I saw a guy take his pants off in a fight one time just to scare the other guy away.

Oh, I thought you were talking about Max for a second.

No, because nobody wants to fight a guy that has his dick and balls out.

Yeah.

Think about it.

No, that is true.

Yeah, his pants, and then they both fell.

But that was my biggest takeaway from preseason week two.

I get so hyped up for week one preseason, then week two happens.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot they're doing the preseason again.

Well, I think week two is now the new week three.

Yeah.

Because week three, people forget, was a dress rehearsal.

Yep.

Week two is now the dress rehearsal, and then week three, I don't think we're going to see too many starters.

Did see Caleb play.

Felt good.

Yep.

Looked good.

It's preseason, though.

There's one Bills player playing on defense, one starter.

Patches.

Did you guys see the patches?

Tamar?

I don't know if Tamar's a starter.

Do you see the patches?

They're too big.

Yeah, they're significantly bigger than I thought they'd be.

They're too big.

Yeah.

Too big.

What were you going to say, hey?

The Jerseys look nice.

No, the Jerseys looked good.

Theirs look good.

It's preseason, dude.

Come on.

We're not going to get excited about it.

Well, I meant aesthetically, though.

Yeah, we're not going to get excited about

pre-season.

Caleb looked real good on that first drive.

Preseason?

That's a man

in command of the offense.

What are we talking about?

Preseason?

Ben Johnson, boy genius?

Nah.

Can't get me excited about that.

Oh, perfect.

Caleb was six of 10.

Perfect.

Yeah.

That's a perfect stat line for me right now.

But yeah, there was.

So tell me more about the quarterbacks.

What do you think?

I think we're going to get announcements from the teams this week of who the starting guys are going to be in Cleveland.

Okay.

And Dylan Gabriel after the game was over.

It was on the sidelines, I think, maybe even

during the game.

Said there's competitors and there's entertainers.

I want to be competitor.

I think I showed that today.

Paraphrasing, but that's what he, that's what he was getting at.

It did feel like a direct shot at Joe Flacco.

Yeah, this this was a situation.

I know afterwards he said that was not a shot at Shador Sanders, but I don't think that you can get mad at anyone who thought immediately that was a shot at Shador Sanders.

I never thought that Dylan Gabriel would actually take a shot at a team during a game.

It's just, you got to use a different cliche because he said he's been using that cliche for a while.

Use a different one because everyone's going to jump and be like, oh, man, he took a shot at Shador Sanders.

This is something that his old coaches have told him.

Right.

In the past.

So

he's doing doing media for, you know, like national NFL media.

He's thinking back to like, what are the most boring cliches that I've heard coaches tell me?

Yep.

I'm just going to say those.

I think he said that.

My first thought was honestly like, I don't, would you qualify Shador as an entertainer?

He does have a song, doesn't he?

Does he?

I know his brother does.

Pretty sure he has a song, too.

So I don't know.

I did not think that he was going to talk shit openly about his competition right now.

I think he's just kind of doing coach speak.

So who do you think is going to be the Brown starting quarterback?

Flacco.

I still think it's going to be.

Because if you think about it from the coach perspective of like, how do you extend this thing?

How do you keep your job going?

And Stefansky is a really good coach.

Yes.

Yeah, but I think what he's going to do is start Flacco, and then he'll continue to have Gabriel and Sanders kind of like going shot for shot, figuring out who the next guy up is going to be.

And he's going to buy himself a couple weeks by having Flacco start.

Got it.

That's my prediction.

Okay.

What other ones?

Giants?

I mean, Jackson Dart looked good.

He looked good.

Again, it's completed everything.

Yeah.

Backups, whatever you want to say it, but he did look good.

He made all the right choices.

Yeah.

And then Indy.

Daniel Jones.

I think it might be Daniel Jones.

And I saw one fan.

I'll have to look up who it is.

There was one fan that said, I will drink my own piss if Daniel Jones is the starter this year.

Nice.

Yeah, those are sterile.

Yeah, it is.

And then the Saints.

The Saints have, I guess, three quarterbacks.

Jake Hayner was throwing a rugby ball on the sideline.

I saw that rugby's back.

Yep.

Big time back.

It looked so big in his hand.

So big.

And he looked zesty doing it.

It looked absurd.

They've got him.

They've got Spencer Rattler.

Yep.

Who looked pretty good.

Yep.

And Tyler Schuck.

Yeah.

Who

he might start.

He's a human.

Yeah, I can't figure the Saints out other than

who is on.

Oh, it was Kevin Clark when he's like, yeah, the only reason the Saints might

screw this up is that

they can't not win games.

They win like five, six games.

They don't bottom out correctly.

Yeah.

And it does feel that way.

You're forgetting one big QB

competition.

Oh, the Eagles.

No.

I was going to say the Rams.

Yeah.

Matthew Stafford's back versus any type of information on it.

Mm-hmm.

And said

nothing.

McVay said that he's going to address the team or the media on Monday.

It still doesn't make any sense.

Hank, you're spilling a lot of water on the floor right now.

That's okay.

That's okay, Hank.

It's preseason for water bottles.

Yeah.

That's fine.

Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen there.

I don't know either.

I still think Matt Stafford's going to do it.

I do too, but I'm starting to get to the point where

when you're trying to figure out who the playoff teams are, and we're going to do some more NFL previews when we get closer in the next week or two.

When you're trying to figure out who the playoff teams are, it's not that I don't think Matt Stafford's going to start the season.

I don't know, can he finish the season?

I think he can start and finish the season, but I think he'll probably miss a couple games inside the season.

But that's significant.

There's a big drop-off between Matthew Stafford and Setson Bennett.

I don't know.

Yes, I know.

Yes, there is.

Yes.

Huge one.

All right.

Any other...

Oh, you had the DTR experience, right,

Max?

I can't believe he's on a roster.

I mean, he's probably going to get cut.

I'll miss betting against him.

He's gone.

I watched the first two drives, and

he just doesn't know how to take a sack.

He just doesn't know how to take a sack.

Memes, you had the Tarad Taylor experience.

Do we have a Justin Fields update?

Memes said, oh, go ahead, Memes.

He went one for five throwing.

I'm fine.

Four yards.

It's preseason.

You trailed off there.

I think he had three yards.

Okay, yeah, it's preseason.

Memes said to me that he thinks the New York Jets this year are going to break the record for rushing attempts.

That could be.

They did a drive yesterday where they only ran it.

That's awesome.

I think we're just going to watch Army-Navy every single week.

That's kind of fun, though.

You can't throw interceptions when you run it.

Yeah, the defense just has to play good.

But the big thing from the Jets game this weekend was Abdul Carter completely crashed out online.

Oh, what happened?

I missed that.

So Abdul Carter got

pancaked by Stone Smart, our tight end.

Our third string tight end.

Okay.

So Abdul Carter took to Twitter.

Go to X.

It's called X.

X.

X, the everything out.

What did he say?

Oh, did you quote Tweet him?

I did.

Yeah.

All right.

He said, might be the only highlight of the Jets all season, and we put

BTA.

BTA.

Belt to ass.

Belt to ass, weak-ass chip ate that motherfucker like BBQ.

He ate it.

Okay.

I mean, he did get knocked on his ass twice on the same play.

Yeah, he did.

I don't think you could say weak ass chip.

It was a good chip.

Yeah.

It was a strong-ass chip.

Yeah.

And yeah, because you also wouldn't, wouldn't you, if you're Abdul Carter, you don't want to get knocked down by a weak ass chip?

No, he got knocked on death.

I want to get knocked down by the biggest chip you can find.

Yeah, he did eat it.

He ate the chip.

He got chipped to death.

Yeah.

Good block, though.

Two good blocks in that play.

It's preseason, guys.

What are we doing?

Let's get to the regular.

I saw the reporter before the game.

He was interviewing Dable, and he was like, so the two New York teams, does that add a little extra minute of bad blood to this game, even though it's a preseason?

And Dable was just like,

no, no.

He's like, it's a preseason game.

Yeah, do you guys, you guys agree with me that preseason week one feels special in the fact that you get to see it on TV and then you're like, all right, when preseason week two,

I knew the Bears were playing Sunday night because it was like on Fox and everything, but all the other games, I would just

look at

ESPN, and it would be like Saturday at like 2 o'clock and be like, oh, shit, those two teams are playing right now?

Yeah, preseason week two, week three is a good reminder of which backup quarterbacks are still in the NFL.

Yeah, let's get it on.

That's what I like.

Let's get it on.

Yeah, I had preseason football

on my my list of Mount Rushmore last week of things

that we get hyped about that don't live up to it.

That things you don't understand the hype about?

I think most people don't hype it as much as we hype it.

And I'm here to say that someone said a reminder for myself that you're going to get hyped about week one, preseason next year.

Just wait till week two and you're going to lose all your hype.

I'm just going to lose it all.

I'm just going to be ready to go.

Now I'm ready to go.

I've seen it.

I'm ready to go.

Max, I got a question for you.

Yep.

Did Howie Do It Again?

Every trade that the Eagles make now is just how he did it again.

I have two how he did it again of the weekend.

John.

So

you traded for Mechie from Houston.

I love Mechie.

He had a tough rookie season.

I think he had leukemia, and he was out for a while.

But he's a good, good wide receiver.

And he played with Devontae at Alabama, right?

He did.

He did.

That's my one.

Did Howie Do It Again?

And then the other is your safety.

Makuba.

Yeah.

He looks like a ball player.

He looks like Howie Baller.

He might have done it again.

Oh, yeah.

Ballhawk.

Good for you.

That's what we're seeing.

He had a pick six.

He had a fumble recovery.

Ballhawk is what people are saying.

Okay.

Howie did it again.

Yeah, Howie did it again.

Fucking Howie.

Fucking Howie.

And then we also had Arthur Smith getting very horny.

Oh, I didn't see that.

Oh, the horniest play call of all time.

I missed that.

I missed that.

I think it was happening during UFC 319.

No big deal.

We went.

Can we pull that up?

Mention that.

I would like to see it.

I'm treating like going to a UFC fight is like running a marathon.

Like, we actually went.

We went for the whole thing.

We saw it.

Most of the thing.

Most of the thing.

No, the whole main card.

Whole main card.

Joe Mazzillo went for the whole thing.

He was there for the whole thing?

He was there.

I think he might have been the first person in the building.

Ryan Rossillo was there for the whole thing?

Multiple.

Everybody at UFC fights is a different iteration of Ryan Rosillo.

That was one of my biggest takeaways from the UFC

that Rosillo needs to get tats.

Yeah.

Because

we were just seeing, and I love Rosillo, very good friend.

We were seeing just like better models of Rosillo.

They were everywhere.

They were just surrounded by it.

It was T-1000 Rossillo.

Yeah, it was.

With just like sick arm tats.

You're like, oh, fuck, I wouldn't fuck with that guy.

I even saw a couple Ryan Rosillos.

Yeah.

A couple female versions.

All he's got to do is get the tats because he's got everything else.

He's got the build.

What a female.

Do you think UFC?

Actually, I think UFC might be pound for pound the number one bald sport?

Yes.

There were so many bald guys.

Yeah, without question.

The entire security staff was bald.

Everybody there that's bald could kick your ass.

Yeah, they're all bald.

I also think that the stadium security.

They age like 30 to 70.

Yeah, yeah.

Every type of bald you could ever imagine, it is at a UFC fight.

They could all beat our ass.

I think that the stadium security, when there's a UFC fight, they also amp it up to the next level too.

They get like a fresh shave going.

They want to look their best in front of the UFC guys, like the UFC fans, because they might have to kick some ass, too.

I had a UFC security guard want to kick my ass.

I would have been able to kick my ass.

Big Cat went the wrong way.

Twice.

Everybody else went the right way, and Big Cat rejoined us, and the security guard said to me, he goes, you guys did the right thing.

That guy did the wrong thing.

It was a bad guy.

It was a sliding metal gate, and everyone walked five feet one way.

I walked five feet the other way.

There was two entrances.

And he was so mad at me.

I was like, dude, I'm sorry.

And then I went and I did the right thing, and I was looking for approval, which probably is something I need to talk to my therapist about.

I was like, did you see I did it?

He's like, good job.

No,

that's not what happened.

Big Cat went the right way.

And then he's like, where's the guy that told me I went the wrong way?

I was looking for him.

I got to find him.

And then we all went to our seats.

And Big Cat went on a mission to find the guy.

And I did.

And he goes, hey, did you see me?

I just went around the correct way this time.

And then the guy said, I don't know what you're talking about.

And then my guy came up and goes, it was me.

And he did.

So the UFC fight.

There we go.

UFC fight was a great time.

Wait, look at Arthur Smith before we break down UFC.

Look at this.

Horny as far as hell.

I think we just did break down UFC.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That's the G-spot.

That's the finger.

He found the G-spot.

He's got the finger.

Yeah.

Yeah.

UFC 319, United Center.

First of all, electric crowd.

Great crowd.

It had been six years since the UFC had come to Chicago.

The place was packed.

It was loud as fuck.

We saw some awesome, awesome knockouts.

We had back-to-back.

I think Ariel Hawani tweeted it.

Back-to-back spinning

back fists.

It was elbow.

Elbow.

Elbow knockouts.

Those are the ninth and tenth ever in the UFC history.

And we got two on the face of the fight.

And we got them back-to-back.

That's incredible.

That's like in the Super Bowl where the kicker broke the longest distance record and then five seconds later got it rebroke.

Yes.

And one of them, I think it was the,

I want to say, was it the Prades one or was it the second one?

Max, Max was having a good time, and he just kept on saying, is it over?

Is it over?

As the guy was basically dead on the ground and the lights had come on.

And I was like, Max, it's over.

He has not moved an inch.

And I was just like, is it over?

Is it over?

It was also the end of the round.

So I thought maybe

the end of the round

could have given him a little bit of time.

I like this guy, Prady, if that's how you pronounce his name.

I don't know.

The Brazilian guy.

He smokes cigarettes.

Yes.

Chain smokes.

Yeah.

Awesome guy.

That was cool.

Max was having a great time.

Spilled his beer all over the poor lady in front of us.

I don't think I did that, by the way.

Read him the riot act, and Max turtled up.

Yes, ma'am.

Yes, ma'am.

What do you guys think Kamari Usman, who's a UFC legend, was thinking?

Because he was sitting next to me, and I think it was by himself, so I kind of had to talk to him a couple times.

He probably hated us.

Well, you were asking for picks.

Yeah.

Well, I was like, give me a pick, and then we went deep into the DraftKings sports book.

We did not find a pick.

Yeah.

He was not.

I read that one wrong.

He seemed like a good guy.

I'm sure he enjoyed the company.

Yeah.

I just kept on turning to him whenever someone was like mounted.

I was like, is he in trouble?

He's like, oh, yeah.

I think he was probably like,

this guy knows fist.

But his buddy next to him that keeps just screaming, is that guy okay?

Is that guy okay?

Is it over?

Is it over?

The lights were on.

The guy had the belt on his waist,

and the EMT were like stretching him off.

And Max was like, he could get up.

I really enjoyed sitting near the end of the round.

In between rounds.

I enjoyed sitting near Max for the fights because, you know, that we all know Hank is a UFC guy.

He's a UFC guy.

He's the biggest.

But Max might be even more of a UFC guy.

The stuff that he was screaming at the fighters was so good.

He was just like, fight, fight him.

Yeah.

Punch him.

Knock him out.

Punch that guy.

I'm a big get him.

Go.

Get him.

I like being next to Uzman just because all the fighters would walk up and then they would show him respect.

And it kind of felt like they were showing us respect, even though they had no idea who it was.

It was like a stolen valor.

Yeah, we were getting some respect.

We're one of these guys.

Yeah, we got on the Jumbotron.

The screenshot, which was very awkward for us because the cameraman sat in front of us for about five minutes establishing the shot.

And we were just all sitting there, just like stiff as a board, just being like, all right, we're ready to go.

And we just fought each other.

He kept on pointing to his camera, like, hey, idiots, I know you want to look at the Jumbotron because you can't conceptualize the fact that you're going to be up there and right here.

And I was like, Yeah, you're right.

Hank, watching it back on repeat, it did look like I choked you a little excessively hard.

Yeah, it's all right.

It's UFC.

That's a bike game.

Yeah, I really

wrung your neck out a little bit.

Should we talk about the championship match, the main event?

I guess.

Our guy Drickus

versus Hamzat.

It It sucked.

It sucked.

It sucked to watch.

I know that there will be a lot of UFC fans, and we are definitely in the casual category, so we're not going to pretend we're something else.

A lot of UFC fans are like, hey, that was a clinical domination.

And he was dominant.

Hamzat was dominant.

Like, Drickus had no chance.

I just think that if you...

Take someone down for 25 minutes and wrestle them, you should have to submit them.

Or at least my dumb rule.

Or at least try to.

Yeah, he only had to get zero submission attempts.

Didn't really try.

I think he ended up landing like 95% of his punches, which is crazy, but they were all just like one-inch taps.

Just like annoying little punches.

That was the moment.

So this is actually, you can come at us for being USC casuals.

Usman, who was sitting next to us, what he kept on telling me was, I was like, do these little punches hurt at all?

And he's like, no, he's just trying to wear him down.

If he was trying to hurt him, he would be going elbows.

And he's like, elbows would end this fight.

He should be going elbows.

Yeah.

I mean, the only thing that looked like it hurt was when he kept kneeing Drickus right in the ass.

Right in the ass.

Repeating.

For like 20 minutes straight.

It was like, that fight must have sucked for Drickus.

That was no fun.

He got taken down the entire time and just having a dude knee your asshole for 25 minutes.

And Drickus didn't have a very good game plan, it felt like, because like, how do you, you know, he's going to try to take you down.

How do you not have a plan for that?

It was, the round would start.

Drickus would throw one or two punches.

Hamzat would take him down, and then he would lay on him for the next four and a half minutes.

Yeah.

And while we all were like, well, this is boring.

Is he going to get choked out?

Nope.

He's never even close to getting choked out.

I don't, there wasn't a moment where I was like, oh, here comes the tap out from Drinkus.

No, it was just, let's just lay on him.

And he is dominant about it.

Like, this is what he does.

Yeah.

It's the style.

Khabib Jim.

They just fucking lay on people and just beat them to death in terms of strength and wrestling.

He is a beast.

And let them throw punches till they're 15.

Yeah.

He's a beast and he's awesome at what he does and it's not fun to watch.

Well, I was reading about it more because I am am interested in it and like I know that I am coming at from

someone who doesn't fully understand the sport.

So I wanted to try to like research more.

And people were saying that the in America when you wrestle in college wrestling, you're wrestling for points.

So you're wrestling to try to make moves to gain points.

In Russia, they don't have that.

They are wrestling simply to just dominate the person and just control their body for as long as possible until they're out.

And it's a style that doesn't really have a great counter.

Yeah.

Like, if you're dominant at that style of fighting, there's not a lot that the other guy can do about it.

Because he also fights in that style.

The only way he could have possibly combated that if he bit him.

If biting was allowed.

Yeah.

Then that would have been nuts.

That would have been a good way to stop.

And I don't blame Hamzad at all because he won the fight.

He was his title fight.

He won the fight fair and square.

It's more like,

does a UFC, and maybe, you know, when we talk to a UFC expert next, like, do they need to make a rule where you can't be on the ground for four and a half minutes every single round?

Is there, you know, or like, you have to, I threw out the dumb rule that people didn't like that if

you wrestle someone for 25 minutes, you have to submit them.

Like, that's, or you, because Drickus, in a weird way, was impressive that he never got submitted.

So, Drickus actually almost won the fight at the very end when he got behind him for the first time in the entire fight.

Tried to choke him out, and it wasn't far away from happening.

Like, that would have been the craziest finish of that fight.

But there was nothing fun, nothing entertaining.

There are competitors, and there's entertainers, big cat.

I always say that.

I'd like a little bit of showmanship in my UFC.

Yeah, Shador should fight UFC.

Yeah.

The rest of the card was incredible, though.

So that wasn't, it was just more that I was very hyped up for this main event.

Shane and Memes, you guys were sitting up top.

Give us your thoughts.

United Center was absolutely awesome.

Those guys, I just want to say,

win or lose the fight, just going in there, being like, I'm going to battle with this other dude in this arena tonight.

And just may the best man win.

I did think it was awesome.

Back-to-back, two of the different fighters, when they got their speech with Joe Rogan, they instantly were just trying to put their boys on.

Like, Danny, you got to get my man into the UFC.

I love seeing that.

It was unbelievable day.

For the boys, what about you, memes?

You guys went early.

I showed up two fights before the main card.

Okay, that's still early.

Yeah, it's still early.

I thought it was really good.

I liked all the fights,

even the last one.

I know people didn't like it, but you enjoyed that.

Yeah, I liked seeing guys just kind of.

Just one man just completely imposing his will.

He's just an absolute killer.

That part, I kind of weirdly agree with it.

As boring as it was, there is something like it was something stunning about how much he ragged all Drickus.

Yeah, because you knew he was going to dive at him immediately just to try to get him down to the ground.

And like the guy sitting next to me was like, all right, let's see how long it takes before he goes on him, and it was 20 seconds every single time.

Yeah, it was almost like watching a team just run the ball down someone's throat over and over and over.

And you're like, this is boring, but holy shit, this is also impressive because they cannot stop it.

Yeah, I respect the hell out of him.

Yeah.

He's great at what he does.

I don't necessarily like watching it.

Yeah.

And then

the post-fight wasn't fun.

What happened?

We got out.

Me.

Oh, me.

We bolted.

We made a good.

We actually made an incredible exit, except for the fact that we completely forgot where I parked.

So we were just wandering the parking lot for a while.

We left before they made the final announcement for won the fight.

Yeah.

So we didn't know.

Yeah, we still don't know.

There was no way to know who won that fight.

We probably, yeah, Drickus could have won.

The one thing that I did hear from a lot of the UFC fighters that were around us in the crowd, they got very mad when Dricus started to use his toes on the

links to the docks.

You can't do that.

You can't toe grab.

You can't gain leverage using your fingers or your toes.

And they got pissed about that.

They were screaming cage at them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wait, so what happened after?

Exactly.

So we got,

after the fights, we got out, we're like, it's like not that far of a walk to the office.

So we're like, we'll just, we'll either two-man or four-man this walk.

Me and Meme start heading to the office.

It's a

cloudy, like overcast, but we should be good.

There's some heat lightning, but nothing crazy.

We're getting out with the crowd, and then in the blink of an eye, the most rain you've ever seen started to come down.

So much rain.

And like, we didn't even have an option to maybe hit an underpass or call for a car.

As soon as it started, we were just soaked enough to where it didn't matter anymore.

We were just 100% soaked.

So you guys just walked at a normal pace?

We just embraced it, shared some laughs, and got back.

I love that.

I thought I was going to die at the office.

I was at the office waiting for my Uber.

Like Zach said, it was raining so hard that you could barely see outside.

So I was inside the first door looking out trying to see if my Uber is coming on the street.

And a black, shadowy figure just walked up, was walking up to the office like slow.

And I was like, this is someone.

It was 11 o'clock on Saturday night.

I was not expecting them to be coming back.

And I was like, oh my God, this person is coming to rob the office.

I'm about to die.

And then memes got up to the door and I saw his face.

But the walking

menacing walk.

And it wasn't running.

It was like walking through the rain.

Like, who is this shadowy figure walking through the rain to our office at 11 o'clock on Saturday night?

This is bad.

And then it was just, it was memes.

How does that happen with heat lightning?

Because there was lightning every two seconds, but no thunder.

How is that possible?

I don't know.

It's like pooping without peeing.

Yeah.

It was so much rain.

Yeah.

It was hard to drive how much rain it was.

Yeah, thanks to Danny for the seats.

We were literally standing right next to the fighters as

they got ready.

Almost dapped up Hamzat.

So, so sad.

Pretty close.

He went to tap up Uzman, and I put my hand out there being like, me too.

Oh, Dricus winked at Hank, too.

Yeah, Drinkus did wink at Hank.

That was so sad.

Did you wink back?

No, I kind of did the turnaround.

It was a surreal moment where I was like, was he looking at me?

Yeah.

He was.

He was.

He gave you a little wink.

That's just UFC respect.

Yeah.

Great time, though.

If you've never been to a UFC live event, it is like top-notch because just

the crowd gets so fucking amped up.

Crowd boos whenever there's like not enough action.

Those knockouts were awesome.

That's the one thing we could have done differently during this fight.

We could have booed harder.

Yeah.

I feel like when the fans boo really, really loud, that's when the reps are like, okay, stand up.

Yeah.

Also, I went to Savannah Bananas.

I did the double header.

Bananas were cool.

I know the people who who don't like the bananas.

I took my son.

He had a great time.

The bananas were cool.

The guys are awesome.

Like,

we got to go in the locker room, meet all the guys.

They're just regular dudes.

A lot of stoolies.

Great guys.

Great guys.

Made me think, like,

I was seeing it because they've all played in college and stuff.

Yeah.

Max is never going to do the Dingerstone League.

Never.

It's fucking crazy.

It's crazy.

No comment.

You're just never going to do it.

I don't.

No, no comment.

I don't don't know what you want me to say here.

I don't know what you're going to.

I mean, it's crazy you've not done it.

It's disgusting, Max.

The AWLs should be pissed.

The Dingers-only challenge has been completed.

What?

You were there.

Oh, shit.

That's right.

We actually did it earlier today.

We did it this morning.

It has been fun.

It's going to be fun.

And guess what?

You guys are still going to wait.

It's not edited.

It's not going to be edited this week.

I don't know if it'll be edited next week.

Push the button, Max.

It was very funny.

Yup, So keep getting angry about it.

Max has it.

He's never going to edit it.

I'm just going to hold it against you.

But it has been complete.

It was very, very fun.

Very, very fun.

Shout out to Savannah Bananas.

Those guys are the best.

We did it against the Savannah Bananas.

Yes.

No, really?

Yeah.

We found a different college team in town.

All right.

Should we talk national sports podcasts?

I have two things for national sports podcasts.

One, Scotty Scheffler is incredible.

That was an incredible comeback chip.

His stats are, he is 148 starts in the PGA tour.

He has 74 top 10s.

That's exactly half.

Half the time he finishes top 10.

He has won, what is his 14th win in 33 starts?

So including

three majors, six signature events, two playoff events, one gold medal, two regular events, 14 wins in 33 starts.

It's crazy.

Pretty incredible.

I feel bad for Robert McIntyre, but it was Scotty.

After the second or third hole today, I think everyone had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen.

And then Scotty did it.

Bennett gets another trophy for his trophy case, which is cool.

And then what happens next week?

Where do we go from here?

Top 30.

Oh, this was the start of the playoff.

Last week was the start of the playoffs.

This was round two.

Now it's down to the top 30.

But there's no, in

years past, is when they would do the, like, Scotty would start minus 10, and it would be, you know, then second place, minus 8, and so on and so forth.

This year, no strokes.

So, what is it now?

Just straight up.

Straight up one tournament.

So, next weekend?

Yeah.

Is the finals.

Yeah.

So, Scotty's going to win that.

Yeah.

Otherwise, he's got nothing.

He's still had a pretty solid year.

No, it's nothing.

I care about the

playoffs only guy in the PGA tour.

I'm a road to Dubai guy.

You know that.

That's coming.

Is it?

The most important golf event of the year?

What if Tommy Fleetwood won the whole thing this year?

I got an email from a guy today saying bet Tommy Fleetwood to win the FedEx Cup.

That would be wild, wouldn't it?

I've never...

It was a bizarre email.

He emailed you and said,

what?

How old is this guy?

I tried not to win this.

All right.

This is

Rob with two B's.

I'm not going to say his last name.

Tommy will win this week and win the FedEx Cup.

Take it.

This is not AI, Hank.

I think we have to bet it.

I think we got to bet it.

Rob with two B's.

Shit.

I've never gotten an email pick before, but I got this pick today.

Because I was thinking, what would be the most hilarious outcome to this?

It would definitely be Tommy Fleetwood winning this.

Yeah.

And then also, Phil Mickelson's take continues to age like fine wine.

Oh, my God.

It's so sad.

Oh, you got he won't win this year?

He's won everything.

What are Tommy Fleetwood's odds?

All right, we're looking it up right now.

I'm going to bet it right now because I think we have to.

Yeah, I'm on it.

I'm on it.

Rob with two B's.

We got to do it.

All right, Tommy Fleetwood.

Where the hell is the golf?

Dragon.

He's not.

Sportsbook.

When he chokes,

we all have no one to blame but ourselves.

We can all agree with that.

We're not even going to blame him.

Yeah,

we can't blame Rob.

No, I'm going to blame Rob.

No, we can't blame Rob with two Bs.

16 to 1, Tommy Fleetwood.

His name literally means steal.

This is not going to be a good bet.

Nope.

And it's in 16 to 1, Tommy Fleetwood to win the FedEx Cup.

Go be great, Tommy Fleetwood.

This would be an all-timer.

I was about to say, I believe in you, Tommy.

I do not.

I believe in Rob more than Tommy.

I do not believe in Tommy.

If Rob was out there playing, I would be like, we're going to win this.

This is going to be something that it's going to be a good bet because he's going to get down to like plus 300 at some point, plus 200 would be a great bet, and then he's going to lose.

Yeah.

And then my other national sports podcast topic was Rob Manfred saying today that the expansion of MLB is on the horizon and

they might realign the leagues.

Why?

I think he was saying that it's for putting the teams closer together, for wear and tear.

I don't know.

Shut the fuck up.

Get the fuck out of my clubhouse, Rob.

I actually think they should do the opposite.

They should get rid of interleague play.

Or just

league play was like was awesome when it started, but now it's everyone plays everyone.

One series.

Dial it back, but don't get rid of it.

I liked it when they did like two or three weekends.

Yeah,

it was like a three-week stretch.

Now it's just random and it doesn't make, you know,

it doesn't feel as special.

It's not a little special, don't you?

Yeah, yeah.

So he would he get rid of the National League and the American League?

I don't know if he would get rid of the National League and American League, but I think he would just try to group teams closer together.

Okay.

They should make, they should like the, you know, the the A's being in the AL and the Giants being in the NL

Flip it so that they play more.

I would assume so we might add some teams might switch I guess they play the city series so that doesn't make sense but like the Angels and the Dodgers or the Angels and the Padres so one of those two teams would switch right

and maybe the Mets and Yankees would be in the same division which that that would I feel like that would be a mistake.

Yeah.

I think that would be a mistake.

But they're trying to do everything to.

He was saying it was for like TV deals because they want to get more like West Coast TV games that make sense.

So it's not like

A's Red Sox playing at 10 o'clock at night East Coast time.

It would be like A's A's Dodgers.

So it's all, yeah.

The NBA is actually doing the reverse.

You see that?

They're doing

like coast to coast where they're going to push back the West Coast games to 11 p.m.

Eastern time.

I don't hate it for fans of the team that, like, a lot of times, if you're a Lakers fan or if you're a fan of any team on the West Coast, you have to start watching the games while you're at work.

When they're playing on the East Coast, yeah.

Yeah, I don't necessarily love that.

Yeah.

But yeah, he's just trying to get more ratings.

I get it.

Yeah.

Okay.

We have anything else before we do Who's Back of the Week?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, go ahead.

There's realignment talk.

Not realignment, but expanded playoff talk in college football.

Yes.

Yes.

So the Big Ten is having conversations.

Per Pete Thammel, the idea is in very early stages.

The Big Ten wants to keep the conference races meaningful and make November regular season football meaningful across the leagues.

So they're thinking about expanding to 24 or 28 teams for the college football playoff.

Don't want it.

That's a lot of teams to make

the playoffs.

Don't want it.

That's a lot.

They kind of already have a regular season.

The problem.

Which is a great big triple elimination playoff.

Right.

I think what problem they're having is

they don't want to give up the conference championship games, but they probably kind of have to.

I think we're going to, yeah, we're going to get rid of conference championships.

But I don't want this.

I was fine with 12.

I do think there's, you know,

seasons when you can have those teams from that six to eight range where, like, hey, they're peaking at the right time, and this could be interesting.

24, no, thank you.

I think what we learned from last year's college football playoff is that

the

worst seeded teams are very, it's very unlikely that they're going to beat the best teams.

No.

Yeah, I mean, it's, and they did change the seating, so it makes sense this year.

But yeah, there's

always been an argument to be had that, like, you know, the

Ohio State last year, they wouldn't have been in the college football playoff if you're letting them get another crack at it, which I'm okay with, but I just don't, I don't, 24 is too many.

Yeah, I think 12 is fine.

Yeah, they wouldn't have been in the 14 playoff.

No.

But there's 12 good teams in this country.

Yeah.

Yeah, there are.

Let them go for it.

Find those 12 good teams.

Yeah, this would suck.

I disavow.

As a Big Ten guy, I disavow Big Ten.

Don't do this.

It also felt like a trial balloon.

Yeah, of course.

Like they told Pete, hey, run with this.

Yeah.

And just say that we're having conversations about it.

See what the general see which way the wind's been.

Just keep pushing and pushing.

Yeah.

They're going to keep pushing and pushing.

Is Zach Wheeler done for the year?

I don't know.

Twitter doctor.

I saw Twitter doctor that says yes, but

I don't know.

Blood clot sounds bad.

It is bad, yeah.

Yeah, it sounds bad.

That sounds like something that

in his shoulder.

Yes.

Oh,

you need your shoulder.

For pitching?

Yeah.

No, I think he's probably done for the year,

which means that the Phillies are probably done.

Hank hates that.

I do.

Brews did finally lose.

They did.

It's good.

Barely.

I was kind of.

of,

I'm happy the Brewers lost because the Cubs also won, and for the first time in like what feels like a month, the Cubs actually gained a game.

I did kind of want them to win.

Like, finally, I wanted.

There was a game I was rooting for the Brewers to win because I wanted the Cubs to beat them on Monday and have the Cubs bookend the winning streak.

Because the last time they had lost before today was the Cubs, and then we play them five games.

But yeah, the Brewers finally lost.

I mean, it was incredible.

They just won every game.

They were down 8-1 on Friday, and then you blinked it.

It was 9-8.

And then on Saturday, taking it to extras.

The Brewers, they're fun to watch, man.

I like the Brewers.

Fuck the Brewers.

They never lose.

But they did lose today.

Okay.

Should we do Who's Back of the Week?

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All right, who's back of the week?

Hank.

Who's back of the week is England.

Oh, all right.

The

Premier League is back.

Premier League.

So for the Blues, football's back as well.

Good for them.

A little earlier than us.

Premier League prediction.

Tottenham.

No.

No.

Really?

Yeah, it's their year.

Okay, okay.

Is that just the first first team that came to your mind?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, well.

Is there a second team that comes to your mind?

Man City.

Okay, that feels like maybe a safer bet.

Is Man City going to get penalized?

For what?

Saudis?

They had some big-time salary infringements.

It was almost to the point where they might get pushed down to the championship.

Probably not.

Not relegated.

Probably not.

Liverpool is the favorite.

Tottenham.

Do we see Tottenham?

Where's Totten?

Tottenham.

Tottenham.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

Yeah, six favorites.

Okay.

What part of London is Liverpool in?

Liverpool.

I don't know.

What part of London?

South?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got it.

Actual?

South, yeah, yeah.

What about Man City?

Center.

Center.

What about

Nottenham Forest?

That's in not London.

Okay.

Yeah, that one is in.

Manchester City and Liverpool are in London.

Yep.

Are these trick questions?

No, you got the one right.

We gave you one that was a trick that you got right.

The other are big time, yeah, big-time Londoners.

Also, the

international sports podcast.

The British Ambassador.

What do you think Manchester stands for?

It's a city.

Okay.

No, Man City is the name of the team.

Yeah, Manchester City.

Right?

Manchester, England.

In London.

Whatever.

You know what I meant.

I'm not sure that I do.

I don't think I do.

Does London have any teams?

Yeah.

No.

London has a lot of teams.

Like Man United.

They've got Fulham.

Wrexham is in London.

No, Arsenal and Tottenham.

Exactly.

Yeah, there we go.

You got it.

Also, the British Ambassador of the U.S.

is pushing for a a Super Bowl in London.

Yeah.

Which I am down for.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

You're a piece of shit.

You're a piece of shit.

We fought a war back in 1776

to keep our football American.

Suck our dicks from the back.

What's the difference between London

and Vegas?

No, no, no.

All right.

This is Hank golf vacation.

One.

Oh, my God.

Two, this is Hank being a fucking anti-pussy liberal fuck because

he wants the Super Bowl to happen like six hours earlier so it's a little less football.

Is that true?

No, I just think London would be a cool city for

that.

Dude, if they put this in London.

Better than San Francisco.

What?

He's thinking about us going, which would be fun.

It would be fun if we went to London.

Not really.

I'd like to stay in America for

America, dude.

Great contest.

It's our fucking Super Bowl.

The game, they play the game at fucking.

You want to watch the Super Bowl at noon?

I'm just saying.

At At noon?

I understand what Hank is saying in a travel aspect.

He's being selfish on trips.

He's being selfish.

Personally, for guess what?

We got a.

For the good of America.

We got millions of AWLs who listen to this that aren't going to go to London.

So we can't be like, oh, we want it because of London.

No, we got to speak for the people.

No, I wasn't.

Why not?

Given that.

I do not want to.

Our millions of listeners don't go to the Super Bowl every year either.

Yeah, but I don't want a small group of fans of the team that are in it go.

I don't even want to go to London.

No.

I don't want to go to London.

Listen, late January, early February, that's it's a very important time for America, dude.

That, what, what are you doing right now?

I'm disgusted.

How about the Pro Bowl?

I'm disgusted.

I just wanted to give that cool.

Sorry, I think it'd be a cool event.

Fun week.

You can't give up our Super Bowl.

It's our crowning achievement as a society.

We're going to have a team there.

Like, we don't have much left in this world, in this country.

Everyone's doom and gloom.

It's the Super Bowl.

That's ours.

Don't you want football that overtakes soccer as the biggest sport in in the world?

No.

No, I don't give a fuck.

I honestly don't care if other countries watch football or not.

Like this whole global expansion of football, do not care.

I watch football with my friends in America.

I don't give a fuck what they watch over there.

The bigger football gets, the bigger this podcast gets.

And that's what I want.

No, you want to go.

You want a golf vacation in England?

No.

I will say, shout out to our AWS across the country.

That was a good point for Hank.

I like you too.

All right, fine.

Blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I do like the English AWL.

Don't give up our fucking Super Bowl.

I feel like English AWL is like, do you really want the Super Bowl?

Is that something that you want over there?

My answer is actually, now I'm going to correct my answer.

I like everyone who watches football right now.

I don't need any new fans.

So if you watch it now in London and you're in AWL, you're cool.

I fuck with you.

No new fans.

I wouldn't hate a couple new ones.

Why would

are they cool?

Yeah, they're for sure.

Yeah, they've seen some exposure to the sport.

Like, imagine London who's

the Jaguars and Panthers.

That's what they get.

They get to see

how here's the here's the deal.

Put a team in London.

That's fine.

They're going to do it eventually.

Just fucking get over with.

When they win a Super Bowl, then maybe.

You're going to win one to get one.

I don't like it.

I don't like the idea of a Super Bowl going over there.

Dude, think about the turf's going to be fucked up.

We've already done that.

It's going to be raining.

You know it's going to be raining.

It's going to be raining.

They have domes, don't they?

Yeah, but you're going to be out in the rain the entire time.

I went to a game in London.

Eagles Jags.

It was great.

What stadium?

Manchester City?

Wembley.

Oh.

That's cool.

It was fun.

The Brits loved their football.

They got super excited.

There was a million different jerseys.

A million different jerseys.

Yeah,

the Super Bowl is going to be filled with Jaguars fans.

You know,

it was not just Jaguars fans.

It was like the most random teams.

And then you would ask them, why are you fans of that?

And they're like, I don't know.

Think about

the Super Bowl.

That's ours.

It's a neutral site.

It's a neutral site event.

It's not neutral.

That's not neutral at all.

It's got to be here.

It has to be.

It's the Super Bowl.

Yeah, let's bring it to the world.

Oh, hey.

Then you're going to get all the travel and weird shit and time zones.

And it's going to be a big pain in the ass.

And again, if they try to start the Super Bowl at noon, I'm going to fucking riot.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

What if the Bears were in it?

You could go.

Now you're just speaking crazier.

If we were to do it.

Caleb looked good.

What spree would we have to put this?

Six out of 10.

He was six out of 10.

Yeah, Max.

Think about that.

I think we would have to put it in the playoffs.

Don't be selfish.

You guys are thinking about yourselves.

I'm thinking about the sports.

All right,

what courses would you play?

I don't even know.

Yeah, come on.

Come on, what courses would you play?

Give them to us.

I don't know what courses are near London.

I clearly don't know anything about London, the geography, and what's near or not.

The old course?

Let's go to the old course.

Threw that out there, huh?

Would you even be able to bet on the Super Bowl over there?

Yeah, they have betting shops.

Yeah, but what about DraftKings?

Max has an interactive time zone map, and it's going to break his brain.

I think it's six hours.

It's going to fuck him up.

I'm trying to think of what if we wanted to get to the end.

We're going to show out by

5 a.m.

Eastern.

It would have to come out at

11 p.m., I think.

You'd have to put it in time.

So we would just have to record the show super early.

It'd be the same no.

No, they'd probably put that's been my point, Max.

They'd probably play the Super Bowl at like 6 p.m.

London time, which would be like noon, which would be crazy.

How about 9 p.m.?

You think they'd play it that late?

I don't know.

I don't know how London rolls.

8 p.m.

Compromise.

We're not a time zone.

We're not a time zone.

We never have been a time zone podcast.

I don't like it.

I don't like the idea one bit.

I don't either.

We have plenty of views.

Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, put your mic on.

I got to hear the memes, man.

Memes at Max.

We recorded at 1 o'clock in the afternoon, you'd have more time to do the podcast.

Keep the mics on and do your conversation.

I want to see you.

What you were just about to say, you're talking to him like it's four, but we're all four here.

So the time of the Super Bowl that it normally is, it'll just be on London time.

So, the time here.

Oh, it wouldn't.

It gets right.

No,

the time here will be the same.

That's what I'm saying, Max.

So, you'll have the same amount of time that you normally have.

You'd have more time.

No, we have more time.

Yes, the Super Bowl is played at 6 p.m.

here, right?

Yeah.

They would play it at 6 p.m.

in London, which would mean it's noon here.

So, it'd be over early here.

So, you have so much time to get the same thing.

Yeah, Max is on my side.

Nax is on my side.

Let's go to London.

How is it?

But what about the rest of the week?

Does that mean that

we would have to record at noon?

Yeah.

Like noon London time?

This is just a complete personal problem.

No, they're ahead of us, dude.

They're ahead of us.

I do not care about it.

Do you realize they're ahead of us?

So

if we recorded it 24 hours and every day.

It's been recorded at 10 p.m.

London time.

No matter where you are, it'd be 4 o'clock back here.

What don't you understand about this?

The podcast could still come out the next day.

I don't know.

We're telling you.

You would have more time to put the podcast.

Yes.

You have the same amount of time.

And it would come out at the same time.

Yes.

They're five hours ahead.

You're pretending like we're going to Hawaii.

If we were in Hawaii and we tried to record at midnight, it would already be too late for it to come out on time.

Got it.

Got it.

Got it.

The Super Bowl is on.

The Super Bowl is on Sunday.

The podcast comes out on Monday.

But we're going the other way.

So if we record it at night, it's actually still middle of the afternoon here.

That's a good question.

So we're good.

What if a team that made the Super Bowl drop?

Got to London, Max.

What if they didn't have their passports and they couldn't go?

They have a Philly bar in London.

It's sick.

Hard Rock?

It's called like Passion.

I think it's called Passionk.

Passionk.

Oh, my God.

That was one of the dumbest.

Mac, we almost lost Max there to a tie.

He almost went into like a black hole.

No, it was going to be all I was thinking about the entire time.

Now I kind of want to go just to see Max deal with the timeout.

That's a terrible idea.

We have lots of good stadiums right here in America.

Yeah, I'm staying strong with you.

I agree, PFC.

We should just send Max there to just be a fan ambassador, Max.

No, no, no.

Absolutely.

Just have him sit in a hotel room and have to upload the podcast.

We'll record it from here, and then we'll send it to him and be like, get it out on time.

You know, we'll have to do that.

I would never be able to figure it out.

The three weeks leading up to the Super Bowl,

we'd have to do this podcast on London time here.

Yes.

So that Max could prepare for it.

Yeah, when would we go?

We'd have to decide as a team.

Do we go right before?

Do we go a week early to get acclimated?

Yeah, definitely.

Fuck you.

I want a list of your top three courses you want to play.

All right, I'll go.

At least

be transparent.

You know, none of them are in London.

Yeah.

They're all in Scotland.

They're all a little bit more.

I know.

Listen, you guys had this idea that all I think about is golf, and this one was not one of those situations.

It's just mostly what I think about.

Okay, good who's back.

Be driving on the wrong side of the road.

Georgia football would have a lot of people.

Matthew Roderick.

Yeah.

People forget.

Killed the guy.

Woman.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

Your who's back, PFT.

My who's back of the week is the NCAA.

Because they took their sweet time and they finally released the list of punishments that they're going to do for the University of Michigan because of the alleged cheating scandal with Connor Stallions.

So they're going to be fined $50,000.

They're going to be fined a 10% fine on the entire football program's budget, a 10% fine on Michigan's 2025 and 2026 scholarships, and a fine matching the projected loss of the postseason revenue for 2025-2026, which is going to be a significant amount of money, I think.

And then they hit Connor Stallions with an eight-year show cause penalty.

They hit Jim Harbaugh with a 10-year show cause penalty, meaning he's not going to be eligible to coach in college football pretty much for the rest of his life.

They're just saying, okay,

you're not going to be a college coach anymore.

They said that Harbaugh never turned over any emails or text messages.

Then he refused to be interviewed by the NCAA enforcement staff.

He ain't a rap.

So they didn't have a full record of all the interactions or all the transgressions that they had.

And then Connor Stallions destroyed his iPhone and threw it into a pond,

which is great operational security on Connor Stallions' part.

And then he also was not cooperating fully with the board, so they just said, okay, we're going to throw as much as we can at him.

Harbaugh or one of his staff members called the University of Michigan's own compliance office scum and the enemy, which I love.

Love.

It's Toby from the office.

The way Michael Scott thought about Toby was how Harbaugh thought about his own compliance office.

This whole thing, and having watched the Conterstallions documentary recently, just reinforced me.

Where I'm so glad that this man became a football fan

and did not get into politics, did not get into any social movement.

Manifesto.

His brain, I'm so thankful every single day that he just thought nothing but football.

And the only real punishment was Sean Moore got suspended for a game.

Yeah, so one additional game.

Yeah.

Michigan self-imposed a two-game ban on the head coach, which doesn't start till week three

against central Michigan.

Right.

So weeks one and two, they have New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Yeah.

And they did not want their head coach to be absent for the Oklahoma game.

So they said, we'll take week three and four instead.

That's Central Michigan and

Nebraska, which is, it's very disrespectful to Nebraska that they were like, okay, we'll rather have that one.

But I mean, it's Oklahoma.

You got to have your coach for Oklahoma.

So really.

All the Ohio State fans are upset that the NCAA didn't really do anything.

I think what Ohio State wanted was to have their championship vacated.

I think in their wild.

Or at least get gold pants for those years.

That's what Buckeye's fans wanted.

They wanted the championship expunged like Louisville.

But instead, they just kind of slapped them with financial penalties and suspended a bunch of coaches that won't be coaching there anymore.

But Connor Stallions, I'd say it worked.

Yeah.

He got them back to the promised land.

I'd say mission accomplished by Conor Stallions.

I'd agree.

I'd agree.

Yeah, the whole thing was

like, okay, so, oh, so the New Mexico game now?

Yeah.

Ohio State fans are mad.

In the history of college football, I would say Michigan probably wasn't the first team that cheated in any way.

They won a title.

You can't, this is why I hated the Louisville ruling.

You can't just pretend something didn't happen.

If you're an Ohio State fan, you could basically take this whole ruling and put an asterisk next to them forever, which that's totally

fair to do in fandom.

But you can't be like, oh, yeah, there was no national champion that year.

We're vacating it.

It's like, we watched it.

It happened.

It happened.

And then after they got caught and Connor Stallions was kicked off the team and Harbaugh was, they kept winning.

Yeah.

So if you're going to cheat, you got to be the best at cheating.

And Michigan, I think, was probably the best.

Connor Stallions was there.

And everybody.

Connor Stallions referred to his own guys as the KGB, which is awesome.

That rocks.

I was dialed in.

He was dialed in.

He was really, really good at what he did.

And I think a lot of other teams were trying to do similar things.

They just had a fucking operation around it.

Yeah.

I did like the one

story that came out that Sharon Moore.

Like, part of the reason we were suspended is because he deleted all his text messages with Connor Stallions.

And at first, he tried to say he was doing that for storage.

Yeah, clear out the iPhone.

It's like, come on, dude.

It's like uploading all your good pics to Instagram.

You're like, one guy.

You got a photo dump so I can delete these later.

Yeah, this one guy.

Okay.

Buy who's back of the week.

We should have mentioned this when we were talking golf, but creatine.

Because Ben Griffin

was six over after three holes on Sunday at the BMW, and he said that it was because he overdosed on creatine.

All right, so that can happen.

Yeah.

You know what happens when you overdose on creatine?

He drank the whole rock.

He said he never swallowed one of the big rocks before.

You just shit your brains out.

Yeah.

It's just like full on liquid, just getting blasted out of your B-hole.

So yeah, he six over after three holes, and then I think he finished strong, right?

He came back.

He finished strong.

He's got like...

First time taking creatine or anything in his life because he talks about creatine all the time.

Ah.

like he added.

Added five to ten yards of distance this year, and it's all creatine.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, yeah, don't overdose on creatine.

Also, who's back of the week?

Is ESPN just embarrassing themselves because that Shador Sanders Deion Sanders or Barry Sanders clip was something.

It was a Druski was wearing a number 20 blue jersey.

Mm-hmm.

Brutal.

Brutal.

Mistakes happen, though.

Yeah, it happens.

It's live TV.

We make mistakes all the time.

We just did 10 minutes trying to figure out time zones.

Yeah.

Happens.

I got him Bernie Sanders one time instead of Barry Sanders.

Yeah, it happens.

All right, Zach, who's back of the week?

In the most respectful way possible, my who's back of the week is Jamie Lee Curtis.

Yeah.

Yeah, Cannons.

Oh, man.

She brought out the heavies.

Oh, my God.

I did not know she still had that.

Where?

On TikTok.

Freakier Friday promo.

Disney and Disney were just they just let her go with it.

She dumped them.

Good for her.

Love that for her.

How old is she?

Good for her.

Jamie Lee Curtis, I believe, is 66.

I made a mistake.

Oh, God, incredible.

Let me double-check.

Way to go, Jamie Lee.

Senior division.

66.

Heavies.

They are heavy.

Heavies.

They can suffocate us.

Damn.

So, freaky.

You could go

55

into some cement

if those are in front of you.

You're surviving.

Yeah, that's going to be good.

Max, are you attracted at all to that?

Yeah, no, those are good.

Put that on a quote card.

Yeah, they are good.

Curtis' reviews of Jamie Lee Curtis's press.

Yeah, yeah.

No, those are good.

Babies are going to watch that and be like, do not change the channel.

Good for her.

You like to see

older women in Hollywood still doing it.

Great promo.

Yeah, great promo.

We're talking, Freaky Friday?

Freaky Friday.

Hellfier Friday.

We're talking about it right now.

Incredible promo.

Yeah.

It's like, I know what we'll do.

Jamie Lee, do you want to go on pardon my take?

No, I don't like those guys.

What if you just showed a little cleavage?

Oh, yeah, they'll talk about it.

We've done some research on social media, and it turns out showing cleavage returns more views and likes interactions.

She was really trying to show it, too.

Tits are back, dude.

Tits are back.

Like, the Sidney Sweeney ads, they're back.

So misogynistic of you, Max.

It feels good to have tits back.

It's like, you can just let them fly.

And

we're not going to judge.

We're going to say, congrats.

What do you say, Zach?

Tits couldn't be more back.

Hell yeah.

Hell yeah, Zach.

Respectfully, of course.

Any dates?

I have not locked.

I have not gone on a second date.

All right, we're going to just move on from that.

All right, that's fine.

Jamie Lee Curtis, though.

Yeah.

Oh, what was that?

You just pointed up to God?

I was being respectful.

You just kissed your fingers and went to his little Sammy Sosa on us.

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Okay, Mount Rushmore time.

By the way, I forgot to bring this up.

Do we have any concerns?

So, this week we're going to Barstow Camp.

Jerry O'Connell is coming with us.

We will have our NFL fantasy football preview on Friday with Jerry O'Connell in person.

Jerry O'Connell sent me a text today, and it made me a little nervous.

I want you guys to just tell me what you're thinking.

It was

an Instagram, Instagram

and it just said her reaction when I tell her I went RB, RB, RB in the first three rounds of my draft.

And it's just, you're wild.

It's just a little clip of a movie and being like, you're wild, you're wild.

Is he going to go RB, RB, RB?

No, I think he thinks that's really funny because it's like inside fantasy football.

I think he's deep in the memes.

I feel like he's, that's a trial balloon.

He's going to go, he might go three RBs.

I don't think that we should give him the power to do that.

I think he has to clear that with Adam Schafter and Taylor Swift.

I know that

Jerry is...

Listen, we're going to get to his fantasy preview on Friday, but

I've got my eyes wide open, Jerry.

I think there's a chance he might sabotage this team this year because we've kind of messed with him.

I know.

I think he takes it too seriously to sabotage.

I think he might go RB.

I doubt it.

I think Jerry.

Which actually would be kind of a genius strategy because then everyone has to trade with you.

No, but Jerry, he cares about it way too much.

This is a put up or shut up here.

Okay.

We've got Jerry on the hot seat.

All right.

All right.

All right.

Because it'd also be funny if he's sabotaged.

All right, Mount Rushmore.

Mount Rushmore of

worst smells.

No.

What?

Sounds.

You said smells.

Sounds.

I said smells.

Sounds.

Worst sounds.

I was like, holy shit.

Did I fuck that up?

Bad sounds.

I mean, worst sounds, bad sounds.

Bad sounds?

Worst sounds.

Worst sounds.

Worst sounds.

Worst sounds is bad.

Same thing.

Yeah, worst sounds, bad sounds, same.

Bad sounds.

Worst slash sounds.

Not good sounds.

The Mountain Rushmore of bad sounds would be the worst sounds.

Worst sounds.

Yeah.

So either way, bad sounds is fine.

But worse.

Worst sounds works as well.

Worst sounds.

Time zones.

Let's do worse sounds.

We're firing, boys.

Unpleasant sounds.

What are the standings?

The standings are Big Cat and Zach, 41, me and Max, 37.

PFT and Hank, 36.

Okay.

And I believe there are eight left.

Okay.

Wait, eight?

Maybe not a math guy, but I think eight.

Six?

We don't usually do it week.

Do we do it week of Labor Day?

I believe the duel was that week.

Yeah, but that was that was overtime.

What if there's a duel?

We usually end it Labor Day.

I thought we always did Wednesday.

If there's a duel between four people, is that still called a duel?

Yeah, no, it'll be the showdown at what was the Tiger versus Phil?

The match?

No, that was like the original one, the showdown at something.

Phil Hollow?

I don't know.

We should decide this right now.

We usually just finish it,

I think it's usually the end of, like, Labor Day is the end of Mount Rushmore season.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because we're talking, we're going to have a Tuesday, Wednesday show that's college football.

I agree to that.

I think

the last full week

without football, last full week before Labor Day.

Correct.

That is the end of Mount Rushmore.

And that Friday's episode will be the last Mount Rushmore.

If there's a quadrule, whatever we're calling it, then we're going to do one extra one

on that Tuesday coming back from Labor Day.

Correct.

Correct.

The duel was so fun.

The duel was so fun.

So fun.

What did we do?

Green?

Green.

Mount Rushmore moments was one of them.

Mm-hmm.

Because I didn't pick the pizza tuck.

God, the duel.

I would love another duel.

And it was rapid fire.

It was crazy.

Yeah, off the dome.

Yeah.

All right.

And then Hank lost.

Mount Rushwar worst sounds.

Who's up?

We go first.

Okay.

We go first on Mondays.

Yes, Hank.

You got this on porn.

I got the ball.

Oh.

I got the ball.

These are a team.

We are a team.

Yeah.

But we passed the ball.

Okay.

That's what good teams do.

We're going to go 1-1.

Nails on a chalkboard.

That might be a chalky pick.

Okay.

It's a good pick.

Everyone hates that sound.

Pitcat doesn't think so at all.

I didn't have it on my lips.

It's a chalky pick.

It's a chalky pick.

Okay.

It is a bad sound.

It's a bad sound.

It's the expression.

No, it's about maybe the worst sound.

Yeah, it's a bad sound.

How many times do you listen to nails?

Not really.

I don't ever like to make chalkboards anymore.

Yeah.

They don't.

Well, whiteboards.

Because the name.

Pick Cat and PFT were in school.

Okay.

That was your own guy.

That was some shrapnel that you caught there.

That's all right.

He had to take a shot at me, and he had to.

This is how our team got lumped in in there.

This is how our team operates.

Okay.

Max, memes.

Memes got the ball today.

Okay.

We are going to do 60 minutes after the four o'clock games.

Okay.

We had that too.

We had it.

Yep.

Sunday scaries.

All right.

I think we're good.

We get to just go with ours, right?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Wait, we're going to go 2-3?

2-3.

Okay.

Alarm to Wake Up, sonar, especially the fucking worst.

Hate that sound so much.

Or if you're in Zach's case, it's just a siren.

We had to get the mega alarm because of previous alarm institutions.

Alarm to wake up is just, it is the worst feeling in the world every morning.

And then baby crying on an airplane is just a horrific sound.

And I

it's bad.

But I also know that the parents are trying their best.

Yeah.

Fuck.

If I'm in the spot with a crying baby, I just, I've to the point where now I just feel worse for the parents of the baby because I know how bad they feel.

And guess what?

Babies are going to cry.

Yeah.

We almost did baby crying in the middle of the night, but that is very specific.

It's your baby, so it's a little different.

Baby crying on an airplane, like that sucks for everyone else.

But it is a very bad sound to have a baby cry in the middle of the night because you're like, shit.

Okay.

You guys are up?

Yep.

This is one of those sounds you don't realize how bad it is until it's happening.

Driving on the highway, one one window down.

Oh, the ear.

Terry.

I hate that.

Terror.

That's trouble.

Great pick.

Yep, great pick.

Great pick.

Great pick.

All right, so we get two picks.

I love to put the windows down.

It fucks me up every time.

All right.

Okay, I'm good.

Oh, Hank, you okay?

Mm-hmm.

Why are you wincing just?

You're not like nails on a shocker?

You're pre-wincing.

I'm listening.

I'm excited.

I can't look.

Okay.

We're going to go knives and forks on a plate,

scratching it up,

and then Tony Romo.

Just Tony Romo.

Okay.

Anything specific to Tony Romo?

I don't know.

Okay.

How you feeling about this draft?

Feel great.

I think it's great.

Still going.

There's still a lot of value on the board.

Big Cat is trying to instill a hatred towards you off what have all been great.

I'm asking you.

No, I like the the Tony Rombo.

I agree.

I agree.

Big Cat is getting

big cat right now is in the mode of, I'm going to pretend that these are bad picks.

He wants me to.

Well, Nails on Chalkboard was a bad pick.

He wants me to say Tony Romo is a bad pick.

Nails on a chalkboard is a pick.

I like Tony Romo pick.

The very definite

of a bad sound is Nails on a Chalkboard.

But again, you never hear it anymore.

Yeah,

Nails on Chickbow.

It's like a cliche.

I can't believe you guys are trying to gaslight us and the audience.

Cliche, it's like, what is the most

bad sound?

It's not a bad thing.

It's a reddit-ass peg.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Good point, man.

Reddit-ass pick.

Yeah, this ass pick.

Reddit ass.

It's an expression.

Reddit ass.

Yeah.

It is literally the expression.

Maximum crack you dump out.

I've seen some ass pics of you recently.

Tony Romo was that was a good one.

That was a good one.

Tony Romo was a good one.

We all on this podcast do not like hearing Tony Romo's voice.

What about knives and a plate?

That's three great picks.

Knives and forks on a plate doesn't really bother me, but you're really bad.

Me neither.

But it's really bad.

Really bad.

Hank, there it is.

It doesn't bother you.

No, not that much, no.

There was one that we.

Hank said that knives and forks don't bother him as much as nails on a chest.

I appreciate your honesty because Zach, and I don't know if it will get picked, but you can talk about it in Honorable Mentions.

There was a pick that Zach wanted to pick, and I said it does not bother me at all.

I cannot pick it.

I think everyone else.

I have a personal one that is like

just for me, but I feel like everyone has those.

That'll be good at Honorable Mentions talk.

Okay, you guys are up.

Violent throw-up.

That's the pick that I couldn't pick i always find throw up very funny same i can't i cannot i could not pick it we had the conversation zach was like i want to pick this i was like dude i can't in good conscience because if someone's throwing up i laugh my fucking ass off every time you're weird about you're so weird about

it it's brain molded by jackass i do think video watching a video of someone throwing up is way like if someone is in the same room as you throwing up it's like i have i laugh i can't i can't be there it's one of those things where the smell is so much worse than the sound it's like somebody taking a nasty i don't know if if there's a

that was our next pick

i think you're up so okay yeah yeah our next pick is someone taking a massive next to you at a stall i think that's funny that's how is that funny that's the that's the same thing where i think i think the smell is get you the sound not that oh i hate the sound when they when you know they're about to just go to work and you're like god damn it i'm stuck you gotta like hurry up oh So, someone taking a massive shit next to you

when you're in a stall is our next pick.

Zach, we got one last pick.

How do you feel about six or nine?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Let's go six.

I like six.

We're gonna go with loud chewing.

Yeah, loud chewing.

Okay, drives you nuts.

Mouth open.

Yep.

Ugh.

Gross.

Someone who just didn't learn how to chew.

Very annoying.

Do it.

Rip it.

Do it.

No, I don't know.

Which one were we going to talk about?

No, yeah.

It's the one that we just talked about that we said that we were going to get in the fourth.

I think that's a great pick.

You think that's a great pick?

Yeah.

All right.

Bad injury.

Knee pop, broken bone.

Just bad injury.

Yeah,

the sound.

If you're on a sporting event and you hear the sound of a knee going or a bone breaking,

it's a horrible, horrible, horrible sound to hear.

Yeah.

The pop, then the scream.

Yes.

Yeah.

Scream, yeah.

The whole thing is

a bad sound.

If you can hear the injury, it's a horrible, horrible sound.

Yeah, it's very, it's so weird when it happens to you.

Like that feeling where it's like, I'm fucked up right now.

Yeah.

When you feel your own, yeah.

Big time.

All right, you guys have your last pick.

Yeah.

Hank, yeah.

We're going to go with it.

We're going to do it.

What?

Whoa.

Six?

Or

no, it's not even on, it's not even on that.

Oh, it's four.

Number four on that list.

Dear ball, I think six, I don't know, whatever.

Four is a crazy pick.

Someone being burned alive.

Yeah, that's a bad sound, I guess.

Yeah, very bad sound.

This is Hank's pick.

You picked it up.

What was the other one?

A car not starting.

Oh, that's a starting point.

Oh, that's a much better pick.

That's a much better pick.

I like Hank's pick better.

I like Hank's pick better.

Car not turning over.

Yeah, that's a terrible.

That's a great pick.

That's a great pick.

Sometimes you just hear that noise and you're just like, well, I'm going to deal with it.

We're going to get through this together.

What, you're talking about someone being burned alive?

How many times have you...

Ask Hank this question.

David Thrones.

We were praying someone.

Someone being burned alive.

That's hard to hear.

It's tough.

Stay in his breath.

Just anyone dying.

Just screaming.

It's pain.

The red witch.

Everybody around is panicking too.

Like, put him out, put him out.

Doesn't even have water.

Yeah.

put a blanket on.

Stop, drop, roll.

The car pick was pretty.

Yeah, no, I think Guard Alive would have been a funny honorable mention.

Car pick would have, but hey, I think I've heard the car not starting so many times that

it's old hat for me.

Doesn't panicky like it used to.

Okay, let's do some honorable mentions.

I had Drake.

Okay, we had Taylor Swift.

Okay, we thought about doing Taylor Swift too, Jake.

We're like, we can't do that.

Just because it pissed people off.

Yeah.

We had when your parents call you by your full name.

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get in here.

Cats fighting.

Yeah.

Oh, we had,

along the same lines, when you

wake up to your dog licking its butt.

Yeah.

That sound is so gross.

Or the sound of your dog or cat starting to throw up.

Oh, that's a bad one.

The sound of a shart.

Yeah.

You think you're going to fart and then you just hear it's wet.

The sound of a clearly fake orgasm.

That one's always tough.

I said,

the sound of your own voice.

Zach was like, No, we take those anyway.

He's like, I don't care.

I think it's a kind thing to do.

Listen, if the guy's having enough fun, who cares?

That makes me.

Do you fake orgasm?

No, I just appreciate the.

It's like someone being

kind by faking it.

So, this is you're it's a nice thing to do.

Yeah.

A little bit patronizing, but

take it.

We'll move on.

Next play.

We had Vuvu Zalis.

Yeah, good one.

Condor Breaking?

Condor breaking.

The snap?

When a band says we're going to play a couple of our new songs.

Yeah.

Max, what was yours?

The sound of your own voice.

Like when you...

I was thinking about that, but it's like we've done it for so long that it's like, whatever.

Yeah, for most people.

It's a good pick.

Yeah.

You should have done that one.

That's a much better pick.

What about Dental Drill?

Memes had that on the list.

Memes fucks me up.

Cowbells.

Cowbells, yeah.

I had a niche

parent one, the Coco Melon intro.

It will make a kid come from like 70 yards away.

We'll just be like, TV.

It's a

Coco melon.

It's like these bees buzzing.

It

drives me nuts.

Air horns from PMT episode one.

Mm-hmm.

It's a pretty bad sound.

Pardon my take.

Yeah.

Broadcast test sound.

Yeah.

Yep.

This is a national broadcast test, emergency, or whatever the fuck.

Hank had rattlesnake on here.

I kind of like a rattlesnake.

Okay.

How about...

What?

Rattlesnake's a horrible snake.

Yeah, why do you like a rattlesnake?

I don't know.

It's cool.

I respect nature.

Have you heard one in person?

Just talk about how scared we are of rattlesnake.

Yeah, Hank.

Like, if you do like snakes, you're the weird one.

You're a weird one.

I'm not talking about liking the snake.

I'm talking about respecting the rattle.

You've never heard a rattlesnake in person.

I have heard a rattlesnake.

In person?

Yeah.

A guy like you, you respect the rattle.

I respect the rattle.

You should be thanking the rattlesnake that's got a rattle on its tail for letting you know that it's there.

It's there, yeah.

The snakes you've got to watch out for are the ones that are rattlers.

Yeah.

It's like a cat with a bell on its

collar.

It's a cool sound.

Yeah.

Give it a shot.

My one-on-one.

And this would have been folding paper.

Oh,

my personal one is styrofoam.

Styrofoam's bad.

Styrofoam, I hate when styrofoam's rubbing up against itself.

My personal one's weird, but it is ripping a napkin.

Oh.

Like, there's something, like, even me just saying that out loud is making my skin crawl.

That bothers you.

What about Velcro?

You guys are supposed to be a bad one.

I like Velcro.

I'm a big fan.

I like Velcro a lot.

Do your personal one, Zach.

I don't like hearing, like, if you bite on the silverware hard, like, hearing the teeth on metal

makes me a little.

But also, your personal one, number 20.

The Fortnite Down sound is always a bad one.

Zach played it for me.

I wasn't familiar with it.

Oh, when you're like going out of the out of the bus?

No.

No, it's like when you go down, it's like, boop, boop.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

My bad, my bad.

The fox injury music.

It's a bad one.

A police siren behind you always gives you a little like jump scare.

Yep.

It's the worst when it's in a song.

Oh, yeah.

Or when they have a phone alarm or a doorbell ring in a commercial.

Yep.

That's the worst.

Yep.

Yeah, I had like when you're driving, you're listening to music and then like a text comes in in or something, and then that just ruins the.

I think it was Wendy's that had that.

They had the doorbell sound during one of their commercials they were running during the NBA playoffs.

Yeah.

It sucked every single time.

Blake was like, what the fuck is going on?

Yeah.

It ruins your entire setup.

What about the knock on the bathroom when you're taking a huge shit?

Someone's in here.

Yeah, that's always just a little bit of a panic, knowing that what you're doing, there's going to be someone standing right outside the door being like, now walking in.

That pass-off is just the worst i had that in the invitational some guy i like i was taking a shit and the guy was like is it good in there and i was like dude you know the answer i just said that to him i was like what are you

why would you ask me that why are you putting me on the spot like this you know what just happened in here uh

let's see olivia soprano yep

uh oh microphone feedback

That one sucks.

Yep.

Hotel clock alarm.

Different than obviously obviously the wake-up alarm because you didn't set it.

The old school alarm.

Someone else said it.

And it's like, what the fuck just happened?

And then you just usually have to unplug the hotel clock and smash it.

A specific one for me is something about like it's really like a two or a three-year-old scream.

It's this high-pitched scream that you can't, it just, it wrecks everything.

My niece and nephews do this thing when they get together that they just battle each other of who can scream louder.

Yep.

And it's just back and forth

forever.

And it's

the most annoying thing ever.

It's not like always necessarily like they're upset or anything.

It's like sometimes they're just doing it for fun and it's no, it's fun.

It's a game and they're laughing as they're doing it, but it's this high-pitched, and it's so, it pierces your ears.

Yeah.

Did anybody think about putting Hanks Yawns on here?

Ooh.

Tiffsy said that.

I said you would be the only person that would have put that on there.

I thought for sure one other person would have said it.

No, just me.

They bother bother you the most.

Yeah.

They bother me a little.

By far.

Zach, you had a good one, the sound of the

bottoming out your car.

When you go over a front bumper,

you go over a speed bump too fast.

I know all the roads with the smallest speed bumps in my neighborhood.

Yeah.

Exactly that reason.

That's such a shitty sound to be like, god damn it, something bad just happened.

We also had check engine light

car accident, Zach, threw out there.

That's just, that is a bad sound.

It is, yeah.

Unless Unless you're walking, because then you get to go watch.

Like, if you hear the snails are, if you hear the wheels screech and you hear, like, a smash, you're like, I'm going to get to go watch an episode of cops.

Yeah.

Live.

All right.

Any others?

Chris Collinsworth.

Gunshot.

Ooh.

He's my Romo.

Oh.

Interesting.

Here's a guy.

Yeah, Hank, that's a good pick.

Somebody shooting a gun at you is a good pick.

Just a gunshot in general.

It's usually like not what you want want to hear.

Yeah, gunshot or fireworks.

Since we're doing announcers, can we say the A's announcer?

I brought that up to me, but I think she's so bad that she's at that

is good.

Like

the clips are hilarious.

Like, because I don't, it's not like I'm regularly listening to an A's broadcast, but every time she does just like a ridiculous clip, I think it's funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Another one that's not niche, but, well, it's a little, but but everyone's had it.

The sitting on a plane, the engine is being turned off.

When you're like, oh, here we go.

What do you mean?

Like a delay.

Like when you're sitting in, when you're like about to, you're really not going to take off.

You're about to push back, and then it's just like, you just hear everything power down.

Power's on.

God fucking damn it.

Bad time.

This is going to be the worst.

Okay.

That was a good Mount Rushmore.

Bad sounds.

Worst sounds.

Any other, Zach?

I don't like you drop your phone on the pavement.

Yeah.

Because Because there's like a two, there's the impending doom of I've got no more phone.

You don't know what's going on.

I dropped mine like a month ago, and I just have a cracked iPhone now.

I'm just a hot girl.

I'm just waiting for the new iPhone.

Yeah, when is that coming out?

I don't know, but

I'm refusing to like, it's starting to become a problem.

It's starting to splinter and get really bad, but I'm like, I'm so close.

It feels good, though.

Cracked iPhone.

I kind of like it.

I'm badass.

Yeah.

What can I say?

I live my life on the edge.

Okay.

Good Mount Rushmore.

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And now, here's Coach Ogeron.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, recurring guest.

We haven't seen him in a few years, but he's a great friend of ours.

And I think we're friends of his.

Remember, you said, I think that was one of the things you said at the end of one of our interviews with you that we are your friend.

It is Coach O

in studio.

Coach O, great to see you.

We just had dinner together.

It's great to see you back.

And I hope that this maybe is the start of you maybe getting back on a sideline because that's what I'm hoping for.

We need you in our lives.

Well, I'll tell you what, man, you guys are wonderful.

I want to congratulate y'all on all the success y'all had.

But you know what?

You're still the same guys.

You're our friends.

You're always going to be our friends.

Derek and I.

What a great show you guys have.

Yeah.

We appreciate it.

I don't know if you saw this earlier, but on my laptop, since the day we met, I got Coach O helmet stickers that I popped on here.

I love it.

Carrie, a lot of times people are like, who's that on your laptop?

That's

you need to start watching more football.

Yeah.

So you do want to get back into coaching football coaching.

You know what?

It's time.

Yeah, I think it's time.

I'm feeling a little bit.

I haven't made the decision totally, but I got my boy settled, coaching football now, and it's been four years since I've been out.

And I'm getting to itch again.

So what does the last four years look like?

Have you just been kind of laying low?

Have you been watching football?

Have you been talking to anyone about football?

Because you are a football guy through and through.

It had to have been weird to, I would imagine that was one of the first times in your life since you were a little kid that you took a break from football.

You know, it was, I didn't know what was going to happen.

We went down, one of my sons, Cody, and I went down to Miami, and Mario Cristobal has been great to me, who I coached at the University of Miami.

And we asked him if we can get Cody a job as a young analyst.

And he said, yeah, come on up.

And Cody said, daddy, Miami's a big city.

You mind moving down here?

I said, I'll volunteer.

That's good, Dad.

Yeah, you'll take one for the team.

So I moved down to Miami Beach, and I've been living there ever since.

My other son, Parker, is an analyst at Miami.

So I got two boys there.

And my older son, coaching at Tulane.

Okay.

And I've seen a couple of videos.

Every now and again, somebody sees you out for a run.

And they take a video that I got spotted Coach O on South Beach.

I saw one guy a couple weeks ago.

He was a real piece of shit.

He said, roll tide to you.

Yeah.

And then you did a great thing.

You were very nice, very polite to him.

And then he turned around and he said, wait a second.

And he turned back to me.

You go, you watch mouth.

Like, basically said, I'm going to be nice to you, but just know I could still kick your ass.

About respect, man.

Yeah, man.

And, you know,

when you get out in the real world, you know, when you're with people in sports, we understand the code.

This is the thing you do, these things you don't do.

Out there, I think a lot of people don't understand the code.

I'm out there to teach them.

Yeah.

So if you had to pick, and we're not going to hold you to anything, but would you, are you thinking more about the pros or more about college football?

Yeah, I really like college football.

I mean,

I wouldn't not entertain the pros, but I think college football is where I've been, and I really like it.

Yeah.

All right, so not coaching football.

How many Red Bulls are you drinking?

I was like, that has to change, right?

Yeah, I don't know.

You know, I still get up at five o'clock.

I still have an itinerary.

Okay.

My wife goes, you're retired.

I have an itinerary i get up at five i go to some meetings in the morning and then i work out i end up about 3 30 in the day that i'm done that's the days i have off

three or four days a week i'm at football practice okay okay so you are you're you're still around the guys so are you are you still crushing red bulls before every day oh no question how many i love red bulls well you know i've gotten down to maybe maybe six maybe

yeah last week chat I think you said you had to curtail some of your Red Bull drinking.

Yeah.

At your height, how high did it get?

Yeah, oh, 12 to 15.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ.

Hey, we're diping a cup,

a little dip of coffee.

A little dip of coffee will help you too.

Go straight to you.

So, wait, you'd mix it in with the Red Bull?

No, no, put it in your lip.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, the coffee grounds.

Yeah, the coffee grounds in your lip.

Uh-huh.

Oh, yeah, it goes straight to your lip.

Have you eaten any worms in the last couple years?

You know what?

I haven't eaten any worms.

I didn't have to do it.

I haven't had many speeches.

Yeah, wait,

we got to retell that story because I'm sure there are some new AWLs who've been doing this for a long time.

It's an all-time hype-up story.

So set the stage for us.

You know,

Joe Peace at

Northwestern State University was a great coach, man.

And he had told a story one time.

It was a motivating story.

And

I heard it from him.

And he did it in front of the team.

And it was like my freshman year.

Then my senior year,

I was going to give a speech at a banquet.

And so I went out in the grass field.

We had a grass field.

We had a bunch of big worms, man.

And I was out looking for some worms.

I could get a worm.

And

Coach Goodman says, baby,

what are you doing?

I said, Coach, I'm looking for some worms.

He didn't even ask me.

He said, what's a big old worm over there?

So I found a bunch of them.

Then I went that night and I said, you know,

there's two guys fishing in Alaska.

Cut the hole.

One guy's catching a bunch of fish.

The other guy's not catching anything.

And he looks at the guy.

He says,

What are you doing?

What is your bait?

He goes, Worms.

He goes, I'm using worms too.

He said, why am I not catching bait?

He goes, you got to keep them warm before you put them on the hook.

He says, well, how the hell do you do that?

I keep them in my mouth.

I'll do anything to feed my family.

I pulled out a big old worm.

Team got fired.

I'll do anything to win.

I'm going to tell you what, it was tough, though.

That worm was crawling around my wild fucking house.

Did you win that game?

It was like a spring game.

Okay.

That's a spring game.

Spring game.

That's your pump-up for a spring game.

Did you ever think I should have waited to use this during an actual game that counted?

Yeah, you know,

later on, you know, I didn't have to do that.

You know, I just made sure Joe Burrow was on the bus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what was that like after winning the natty?

So

we got to experience it as fans and as fans of yours and of Joe Burrows.

So we were in Louisiana that night watching the game.

Amazing game.

What was that like for the next couple of weeks?

Were you just basically the kings of Louisiana?

Well, I thought we were the kings of the country, man.

Everybody loved us.

A lot of people were supporting us.

You know, the next day,

I saw you guys in the morning.

I think that I was the only one that went to bed a little early.

And we had a press conference.

And, you know, we were going home.

And, you know, I was raised down to Bayou.

You know, people catch shrimp for a living.

They work hard.

They're great people.

And,

man, we go out on Highway 30.

We take the back road.

And the cooks, the people that were working in the refinery were screaming, go tigers.

And that was one of my biggest moments to see all those people satisfied.

You see, when you become the head coach of LSU, you got to understand this, man.

On Saturday night, For three to four hours, everybody in that state is cheering for the tigers.

And if you win, they're happy.

And if you don't, they're mad as hell at you.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is.

It's a cultural thing.

Do you think, was that the best college football team of all time?

I'll say this.

With Joe, I think we could beat anybody.

But, you know, you hear comparisons here and there.

And you know what my answer is?

It's got to be one on the field.

Now, they've had some other great teams, but I do believe with Joe and the team that we had, we could have beat anybody we played that year for sure.

Yeah.

And you specifically have been part of, I mean, some of the like late 80s, early 90s Miami teams, the early 2000s USC teams.

So you can speak to it.

Like you, you were part of some really special football teams.

Five national championships.

Yeah.

So

would you say if you had to put them all out there, all those teams out there, that LSU team would win that game?

I'd put an LSU team in front of everybody.

Wow.

When did you know that it was going to be a special team?

You know,

first of all, all the pieces came together.

You know, there's a lot of stories that stuff came together here and there.

And Derek and I, man, we had planned this for five years.

This is how we're going to do it.

You know, I had a blueprint from Jimmy Johnson.

I had a blueprint from Pete Carroll.

Now is my time to do it.

You know, I went to Omiss and I made a bunch of mistakes.

I told everybody, don't worry about my mistakes.

I did them all to Omiss.

So I'm ready to go here.

But when it was third down, I think it's 17 in Texas.

Yeah, we should have went four-minute offense to run the clock down because Texas was hot.

They were scoring.

It was third down and 17.

There's zero blitzes.

Clyde picks up the linebacker.

Joe slides to the left, and it gives time for Justin Jeffson on the cross-route to get open.

Other quarterbacks would have got sacked.

Justin gets open.

He hits Justin.

He gets hit.

He throws Justin a great pass, touchdown.

That's when I knew we had a great team because, you know, the bottom line, you can coach all you want.

Playmakers got to make plays in the big game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you say you had a plan.

Obviously, Joe Burrow was a big part of that plan.

What was it like recruiting him and getting him?

Because that's a, I mean, Joe Burrow's story, winning a Heisman, being the number one overall pick, being so good in the NFL.

That was not the Joe Burrow that you recruited.

That was, you know, the guy you recruited was the guy who couldn't get the starting job at Ohio State and, you know, was a good football player, but maybe wasn't the guy that ended up being everything, all world, everything.

He developed.

Thank God we had him for two years.

Yeah.

We needed that.

You know,

going to Miami, having the great quarterbacks we had at Miami, then we go to USC, Carson Palmer, Matt Leiner, all those great.

So, I had a vision in my mind what we needed.

So, we had our spring ball back when spring balls, spring game was on TV.

Now, they don't put them on TV because they post their players, right?

Yeah, and our quarterbacks didn't play well.

And I got a son playing at Magnesi.

He called me, said, Dad, our quarterback sucked today.

I said, I know, I know, I get it.

He said, Daddy, there's a guy named Joe Burrow transferred from Ohio State.

You ought to look him up.

So I went out and the

coaching staff, Bill Bush, had been at Ohio State.

I said, Bill, you know Joe Burrow?

He says, Coach, if we get Joe Burrow, we're going to college football playoffs.

I said, let's go get him.

Now, Joe's coach who recruited him was at Cincinnati at the time.

Joe's girlfriend was going to Cincinnati.

When Joe came on the trip, guess where Joe was going?

Cincinnati.

Cincinnati.

Ain't no doubt, right?

So Joe gets...

I never had a recruit tell me this.

Joe gets here, and I say, Joe, come on off.

He goes, Coach, I don't want to talk to you.

I said, what?

He said, Coach, I know you're a great recruiter.

I don't want to hear a lot of bowl.

He said, I want to eat crawfish, and I want to talk football.

And, you know, if I didn't need a quarterback so bad,

I wouldn't have responded this way.

I said, okay.

So I left them alone.

The next day, we had a football meeting.

Jerry Sullivan was in there, who developed Justin Jessica, has been in the NFL, Steve Ensmegan, Joe's daddy, Joe's brother.

We had about 10, 15 people in there.

Derek was in there.

It took me five minutes to figure out that Joe Burrow was the smartest guy in the room.

No doubt.

So, all right, number one, he's a smart quarterback.

Jimmy Johnson told me that.

Get a smart quarterback.

So we go to eat crawfish.

Y'all might have hit the story.

And

Derek comes to me.

Sharon comes to me.

He says, hey, coach, there's no crawfish.

You got to think on your feet, man.

You got to adjust on the move, right?

You got to be from Louisiana to do this.

Hey, I call Boudreaux.

Boudreaux balling crawfish down to the other restaurant.

Bring 40 pounds of crawfish balled and put it on the platter and give it to Joe.

So he ate crawfish.

So we go out and we have a meeting.

I never told anybody this.

We had a private meeting.

I said, Joe, if you tell anybody this, you're lying.

You're going to be my starting quarterback.

But you got to earn it.

I said, by the way, I got two receivers, man.

Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.

You haven't heard about them yet.

So the next day we have a big breakfast.

Derek's there.

Our coach's wives are there.

So when the parents leave, we almost stay and we say, okay, is he coming or not?

Cincinnati.

He's going to Cincinnati.

But Joe said something.

He said, I'm not taking any phone calls.

And I'll decide on Thursday.

Do you think I was going to wait till Thursday not to get in touch with Joe Burrow with my bus on the line?

Well, we made a connection with his brother Dan.

And Dan talks a lot more than Joe.

So I called Dan.

Me and Derek called Dan the next day.

I said, Dan,

are you talking to Joe?

Yeah, yeah.

You answered your phone, yeah.

I said, you got to be my voice now, okay?

I said, Dan, where do you think?

Come on, Dan, LSU or Cincinnati.

It ain't even close.

Dan gives me this old.

Well, Coach, it was this.

I said, Dan, F that.

What do you want?

You love your brother?

I said, Dan, do you?

Hey, grab down there, son.

I said, Grab down there in your pan.

Oh, you got two of them there?

He goes,

I'm grabbing him, Coach.

I got him.

I got him.

I said, Dan, squeeze them son of a gun.

Yeah, coach, I'll squeeze him.

I said, Call your brother, tell him to come down.

Let's shoot if you got two of them down there, boy.

We tell that story.

He was like, I got him, Coach.

Squeeze him.

I got him.

I got him.

He actually did it, man.

And that was our voice to call Joe.

Now, Joe said that wasn't his deciding, but I wasn't, you know, how's a recruit going to tell you you need him and you're not going to talk to nobody.

Somebody's going to talk to him.

Right.

You got to compete.

If you're not talking to him with the other guy's talking, somebody's competing.

You got to find the back door, man.

You got to get her to go out.

But man, what a story.

Then, just out in the blue on Thursday, I get a call.

Joe Burrow said, Coach, I'm going to be at LSU Total.

Oh, unbelievable.

How about that?

And Dan Burrow is also the guy who got Joe in with us.

Is that right?

EMT, yeah.

He's a listener.

Hey, Dan's got two.

He's a man.

He got two.

He squeezed the piece.

It's proven, yeah.

You got to recruit the brother sometimes.

Yeah, that's a good word, right?

You got to know the champion.

Who's the decision maker?

That's what I always thought.

Who is the decision maker in the process?

I recruited the champion.

Harder, I recruited the recruiter.

So I think Joe is probably the decision maker in that, but also having like a trusted guy, his brother, put in a good word.

It's like every little bit helps.

That's right.

I love the fact that he just wouldn't talk to you when he got there.

He gave you the stiff arm.

He's like, He's like, I know you're going to convince me to come to LSC, so I can't talk to you.

Yeah, too good at it.

Yeah, you know, you got to respect that.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, when Joe came in, he was the fourth-string quarterback, and I went and watched him.

We were running 110s with Tommy Boffin, who, by the way, y'all know Tommy Boffin did a great job for us, man.

And I couldn't coach the players in the summer, but I couldn't watch.

Joe ran every 110 and won every 110.

Yeah, and after that,

Joe and Foster Morrow, who was Joe's host, went out throw balls.

And the rest of the team went with the quarterbacks that were there, obviously, right?

But all of a sudden, Joe starts to win, Joe never lost a 110.

Then all of a sudden, see a couple of guys go catch passes with Joe.

Yeah.

And Joe won the locker room himself.

Yeah.

What a tremendous job.

Now, having two years would have helped.

Yeah, because I was going to say that we were talking about it before, but the first year was, you know, he was good.

He wasn't Heisman.

And we went to the game.

There's actually our first game that we went to LSU, and it was, it lived up to the hype in terms of the crowd, the atmosphere, but you guys didn't score a point.

You lost to Bama.

You didn't score a point.

But you said that that was probably the most important loss that you had because it changed everything.

Yes.

Through adversity, you learn the most.

You should, right?

And after that game, I went to Steve Esmega, who's a stud.

I think we won like 80% of our games with Steve.

He's like John Wayne.

He's a great guy.

I said, Steve, Steve, we got to go to the spread.

He goes, I agree.

Well, we had a young guy named Joe Brady who came, talked to us about RPOs in the summer.

And we had some guys in you of the Saints.

I said, hey, let's start working, Joe.

I said, Steve, are you receptive of me bringing in another guy, him teaches the spread, and y'all work together?

And he did, and it worked out perfectly.

Yeah.

How would you get your guys up for a game against Nick Sabin in Alabama?

Because they seemed to just crank them out in terms of recruiting.

They were great at player development, too.

And for a while, LSU, it was always the story of lsu was you can't beat alabama that's right you can't reach that top pinnacle that's right how would you get how did you get you guys prepared especially after an ass kicking like that that you can actually go out there and compete with them yes well first of all as a head coach i knew the benchmark was i had to beat alabama so everything that we did every day i didn't say we had to beat alabama but i knew that they set they set the benchmark high and we were right there and we had to get past them first of all i thought you had to match their physicality.

I was wrong.

We spread them out.

And that day we went to Tuscaloosa.

We really ripped them a good one right there.

They came back, give it to Nick Saban and his team, who's tough and great coach.

But we really had a great game plan.

I remember, you know, I'd go home Thursday night and Joe Brady would stay in the office till four in the morning.

And the next day on Friday, he just looked at me and said, Coach, we got him.

And I remember getting on the plane.

It was like I was going with my buddies.

We were going to a fight, man.

And we were going to win.

Yeah.

And there was no question we were going to win that game.

But it's, I mean, it's a testament to you as a, you know, like the

being in charge of the whole program to be like, hey, we lost this game.

We got to change.

We got to adapt.

And finding a guy like Joe Brady, who's a young guy who a lot of teams probably wouldn't take a chance on to put into that elevated role for a huge team in a huge conference.

Yeah.

You know,

recognizing talent, I mean, that's been one of my strengths as a recruiter.

When Joe came and he spoke to our staff in the summer, I knew this guy was going to be a great coach.

I mean, Ray Charles could see that shit.

You know what I mean?

So I'm looking at a picture right now of your famous binder.

Actually, Derek tweeted this out back in, I think, 2016.

When you made your pitch to LSU saying, hire me as the head coach, I'm more than an interim guy.

I can lead LSU back to greatness.

You had a binder.

Do you remember how many pages were in this binder that you made?

I think we had two or three binders.

So it was a multiple

multiple volumes.

What was in that binder?

I got to know.

Do you still have a copy of the binder?

It was our plan.

Derek got it.

I probably got it in my mind, but

I don't keep all this.

But I'll tell you, let me tell you what happened that day, okay?

So

we go to Texas AM, right?

And we tear them anew.

And there is guys run the football up and down the field.

And I get back on the plane, and Derek's sitting in front of me.

And his head is down like that.

And we just want a big game.

I'm like, what's going on?

Alumni come,

coach too bad.

I said, what?

He did a good run.

They're going to hire, who was it?

Jim Boffisch.

And I hired Jimbo Fisher.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

Well, the next day, I go to meet with the athletic director, me, Derek, and Austin Thomas.

We got the binders.

We got everything ready.

Hey, D comes in, who is a great guy.

He looks at us.

He has his head down.

He goes, He takes the binders and he pushes them.

He don't even open them.

I'm like, what's going on?

I'm kicking Derek.

I'm kicking Austin.

What's happening?

He says, guys, I hate to tell you,

I'm going to meet with Tom Herbert tonight.

We've had a good run.

I said, Derek, Austin, you got to leave.

Hey, you know, Eminem one shot?

You know, you got one shot, right?

It's like the time I hugged Sandra Bullock.

I'll tell you.

One shot to do that.

I pulled a chair.

I said, Joe, and I was hitting him right here.

You know, in your heart and your belly, I'm the best man to be the head coach of the LSU Tigers.

I shook his hand, stiff.

I said, I look forward to being the head coach of the LSU Tigers.

And I walked out of there.

I go, okay.

I was living in a hotel.

We moved out the hotel.

We go home.

Anyway, things happen.

You know, Tom Herman, Lane Kippen texted me.

1:30, Tom Herman was going to Texas, all that stuff.

And all of a sudden, I think it's like 5.36 in the morning, I missed a call from Joe Levy, AD.

What the going on?

He called me and said, hey, man, can you be in Baton Rouge an hour?

I said, hell yeah, man, I'm coming.

Look, I'm going down I-12 playing born to the bayou as hard as, and I'm going about 120 miles an hour, man.

Then all of a sudden, I make a call and said, hey, they didn't offer me the job.

Somebody told me, I don't think they want to meet with you now and tell you the annual job.

So I get to LSU and Joe's standing near the tiger.

Man, I pull in there.

He said, well, you want the job or not?

I grabbed him.

I gave him a beer.

He let me down, you big.

So we went talk.

And we're talking there.

We were talking about things that are going to happen to him.

He said, Ed, I got to tell you something.

I said, what, Joe?

He said, you know, when you hit me in my stomach like that?

He said, you were right.

He said, I went to bed at night.

I had a knot in my stomach, man.

I said, I put that Cajun green green on your ass, boy.

What a story, man.

Yeah,

it worked out.

It worked out really, really well.

And then you fast-forward a couple of years.

The championship season was just, it was magical.

It was incredible.

So much fun to watch.

And then the way things ended there, I actually thought you had a really good perspective about the whole thing is when they said, okay, we're going to fire you.

Here's your buyout.

Would you say, like, which door you want me to walk out of?

Yeah.

Just write the check.

Yeah.

What time do you want me to go?

What door do you want me to walk out of, bro?

Yeah.

But you know what?

Hey, man, I'm a positive guy.

I'm never going to let people know they got me.

You know what I mean?

Deep down inside, I may be hurting.

I may be burning.

We don't show it.

We have a saying: big chest and big eyes.

We look forward.

We work through adversity and we keep on going.

Yeah.

And

you're a football lifer.

You know how it works.

You know, everyone gets fired.

That's just kind of how it works.

And, you know, I understand the standards of LSU.

Yeah.

I get it.

I mean, we weren't meeting the standards that we were supposed to meet.

Okay, give me $17 million to walk out the door.

Good luck.

I'm still getting paid at LSU.

People actually say, coach, you mad at LSU?

No, I love LSU.

And I do.

It was a great opportunity for us and a great time.

So you are an incredible recruiter.

Obviously, the recruiting games changed, but do you think, you know, if you get back in it, you still got it in terms of getting in the living room and being able to win those recruiting battles?

Got even better.

Okay.

I'm fresh ready.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I love to do.

And, you know,

it's kind of because of our exposure.

Like, I went to speak at the Texas football clinic.

All the recruits come up to me.

You know, hey, coach, what's up?

The mamas, they want to take pictures with me.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

It's just because our notoriety and, you know, because of Joe Burrow and Justin and Jamar, the success that they're having, people know us all over the country.

Yeah.

Now, are you still like able to get,

you know,

put on your, you know, hard hat and your work boots like the time you had to eat, was it five, five bowls of bison chili at a chili

so what tell that story because these are my favorite like coacho won't do anything get a recruit he'll just eat the house out of chili if he has to

so we may have had i guess you've been in new orders you eat a lot of gumbo right you know what i mean so we may have had i guess five six home visits that day

and everywhere i went they had gumbo for me right

and i ate I mean, I must have ate.

And look, they fixed me a big bowl.

I'm a big eater.

I'm going to eat.

And it's the last, it's the last on visit.

It's about nine o'clock at night, okay?

And

so we get there, and the mom says, man, I made some chili.

And because I was supposed to go, what's wrong, Coach?

You don't like chili?

Oh, no, I love chili.

I love chili.

I love chili.

So

we get it, and we eat, and it was actually good.

And I said, man, what's in there?

They say, bison?

Oh, okay.

I never ate bison chili in my life.

I ate about three or four bowls.

Man, I went home.

You know, my Uncle Pish used to say this.

He says, you know, I wear a size 38 pants, but a 40 feels so good, I'll buy me a 42.

Wait, did you say your, what's your uncle's name?

Uncle Pish.

Okay, I thought you said Piss.

Uncle Pish.

That's a great saying, though.

Yeah.

Wear the 42.

Yeah, so, all right, so what other, what other great, because I love hearing the recruiting stories, you getting in there, like, you know, being like, hey, I got to eat all this, or I got to to go out in the back.

Did you ever have to go out in the backyard and like draw up plays and stuff?

Oh, man.

We went to Apu's house in Salt Lake City.

And it was us at Alabama.

And Apu's a big nose tackle man.

And his father was very, very instrumental.

His father wanted to go to Alabama, and I knew that.

And I had to get in the living room.

Now, Apu's about 3:30, right?

And I had to get in the living room and show his father for about 45 minutes every technique, and we had every blocking scheme that we had to do.

Now, I got a thighs, and I

stare at me like that.

But I'll tell you what, I was getting after it, man.

And that won over the dad right there.

Yeah.

You're just blocking him up, blocking him up, showing him what we're going to do.

And the dad goes, you know, nobody's ever come in my house and do it.

I said, I don't think anybody ever will, brother.

Yeah.

Coach Bielam had told us that I think he said that you got to look at the mom's brothers to see how the boy's going to turn out, like, in terms of like how much weight they're going to put on, how big of a person.

Was there something that you would look at when you went to visit a house to see how the recruit was going to turn out?

Well, you got to bet on the jeans, right?

I mean, I think that, yo, Lofa's the Tupu, okay, who was a great linebacker for us at USC, right?

He comes with Moshe, right?

Moshe was a great player, a great fullback.

And me and Peter's sitting there, and Moshe's in the door, and we say, Where's Lofa?

He goes, Here

Lofa was behind him.

You couldn't even see Loafa from.

He looks small.

Great player.

We met on the Jeans.

Great player.

First game against Army has 20 tackles.

So Jason Taylor's son, Mason Taylor, who's in Florida, and I knew Jason because of a great defensive lineman, studied his long arm, the best I'd ever been.

So he's going to bring Mason over to campus.

Now, Derek and I, we always do our homework on people, right?

Now, Jason Taylor and Katrina, who is in excellent shape, who is a wonderful lady, when you look at those two guys, those two people, they're going to make some pretty good athletes, right?

So we go, and Mason Taylor goes to three plays for me.

I say, offer him a scholarship.

Jason goes, really?

Not a school in Florida.

Miami, they're still.

pissed about that.

Florida, Florida State, offered them.

Mason Taylor ended up being maybe one of the best best tight ends in LSU history.

Yeah.

Because of that history that I learned from Jimmy and Pete, better in the jeans, man.

So, what about your recruiting stories when you were coming out of high school?

What was that like?

It was great, man.

You know,

my dad, my dad was like my coach.

You know, man, back then, he'd drink a little whiskey, you know.

And

I had coaches come, and

I'd be at the house.

They had going through one or two fifths of VO.

It was crazy at the table.

But I remember

I was going to LSU from from the get-go.

That was it.

So the coach from Alabama called, and I was talking to him.

Back then, you signed an SEC scholarship and then a national scholarship.

And he goes, no, sign that scholarship.

He said, I want to bring Bear Bryant to your house.

I told my dad, he said,

that coach from Alabama wants to bring Bear Bryant to me.

He said, tell that man not to come over here.

We're going to LSU.

And did he try?

Did he try to do what you would have done, which is like reach out to a brother, reach out to your dad, try to get get a word in?

No, no.

Just stayed away?

No, back then we only had one phone in the house.

My dad would answer the phone.

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So, how would you describe yourself?

Like, if you had to recruit high school at Oseron, what would you list as strengths, weaknesses, concerns, red flags?

Yeah, Yeah, you know, I was a really good player early, both ways, with Made All State, a good player.

I love playing defense, but I was a better offensive player.

So when I went, you know, that was my strength.

Like,

you know, you take defensive linemen and move the offense, and they put me at center.

That's what you did.

And you know what?

That was the best thing for me.

But I hate to say it, man.

I left the La Rose, Louisiana to Baton Rouge is two hours, hour and 45 minutes.

I got homesick.

I'd never been away from home.

I went home.

The best thing my father ever did to me, I thought I was going to chill out, you know, go drink a couple beers with my buddies the next day.

Hey, you're home from college.

Uh-uh.

I'll come out door at six o'clock.

Let's go to work.

What?

Yeah.

He put me digging ditches.

So I'm digging ditches on the side of the road.

Now, look, you sign with LSU, you on top of the world, right?

Okay.

You quit, you're in the outhouse crap, right?

Yeah.

They pass.

They passing.

They're rolling down the window.

I'm digging ditches.

You big pussy, you couldn't take it.

What the hell are you doing?

And you know what my dad said?

Dig.

I'll never forget that day.

Dig.

And then about two months later, Bobby Aver calls me.

Y'all had a show.

Who's my teammate, Solid Foods?

He said, hey, man, they want you to come up here to Northwestern.

Give a scholarship.

I said, I'm coming.

I don't know where it's at, but I'm getting out of this ditch thing.

Yeah.

Getting yelled at on the side of the highway.

Pussy.

I love how you came into the office and you saw Max, our producer, and first thing you said, like, you played, what did you say?

You played nose tackle?

Nose tackle.

Yeah, do you just size people up like that?

I always do.

You see them and you can tell the position they'd be.

Yo, we going down the boardwalk, me and my wife.

Yeah.

That guy's an athlete.

Look at that.

They got stiff as a board.

I bet you that girl's an athlete.

She goes, how do you tell that?

You know, you just learn the traits and the traits of, you know, we used to put the traits of a lineman, how you ought to look and all that stuff.

Just the pictures that I have in my mind.

Think about this.

One of the best guys we ever recruited at any place was from Chicago.

His name was Russell Maryland

at Miami.

Russell came in at 350.

I think.

Some small schools up here

recruited him.

Russell got down to 285 and was the first player picked in the draft.

So I I saw that transition.

Cortez Kenny, Warren Sapp came in as a tight end.

We moved the defensive line.

So

all those stories and everything that happened, we got to put that together, LSU.

What about The Rock?

Could you tell The Rock was going to be a superstar?

I never.

I'm so happy that he's doing what he's doing.

I love him.

His nickname was Dewey.

It's a great guy, you know.

But look, man, he's playing behind Warren Sapp, okay?

So he's not Warren Sapp's capability.

But one day,

Bob Cormelis, who's a good friend of mine who passed, recruited Dwayne.

And Dwayne was at practice, and he had a bad day, man.

It just wasn't good.

And back then, you know, I was a little vocal.

You know, I said, hey, Dwayne,

you ought to be an effing wrestler like your uncle.

He took good advice.

I love it.

I love it.

So you mentioned Jimmy Johnson.

You were there

when Miami was coming.

It was great days for him before he goes to the Cowboys.

What was it about Jimmy Johnson that made him such a great coach and had everyone so dialed in there?

Everybody believed in Jimmy.

Yeah.

Jimmy was the man.

Is that just swagger?

Is that just

the results?

And then people followed the results?

What is that?

Psychologist.

Yeah.

He used it.

He got into you.

Everybody drank the tea.

I loved him.

I love the debt, but let me tell you something.

Everybody feared them too now.

Yeah.

And you knew.

You knew, hey, you stay within the lines, you cross the line, you're going to get it.

Yeah, and the players did too.

The players loved them, but they feared them.

And practice was fierce, man.

The university,

when I tell people this nowadays, you know, when you go places, you smell the grass.

Well, I left, it's been 30-something years I've been in Miami.

When I went on, they call it Green Tree Practice Field.

When I smelled the grass, it's the same damn smell I smelled in 1988.

And I stepped on that field in 1988 with Jimmy Johnson, Dave Wanstead, Bush Davis, Tommy Touverville, Gary Stevens, Dave Campo,

and I saw the way they coached.

That was it.

Nobody had to tell me again.

That was my style.

That was it.

And that was a great, great time for me.

Yeah, that's some incredible names.

What about Pete Carroll?

Did players fear Pete?

Because I feel like he's more of a player's coach.

Yeah.

Well,

Pete had everybody drinking the tea too now.

You know, everybody believed in Pete.

But it was kumbayao with Pete.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Pete can walk in a room.

Everybody feels like they've known Pete for a long time.

But the things Pete, people don't know, Pete's a strict disciplinarian.

And he'll give people a chance to let them think for themselves, but he ain't going to take no crap.

And at night, Pete was the best coach.

We would get there at 6:30.

We'd start the film.

And we watch every film, every piece of practice, and he would critique.

I remember one day, man, I love this story.

Pete and I were close now, but no favorites.

Man, I remember my five technique got reached.

It was Konichi Odizi.

And Reggie Bush just went down,

busted for my 40-yard.

And he looked at me.

I sat in the corner right there.

What's wrong, Eddie?

You can't teach the reach block?

What?

Looked at him, man.

Okay.

Right after we finished filming, I called Konichi.

He was practicing the reach block till midnight.

And then I had him in the office at 6 o'clock, practicing the damn reach block.

Now, here's Pete Carroll.

You talk about accountability.

He's going to find out who you are now.

He's going to test you.

The next day, we have inside run.

We have the same play.

Konichi gets reached.

He beats the reach block.

He hits the tailback about seven yards deep in the backfield.

We go in there.

He goes, hey, Eddie,

I repeated that play.

I wanted to see if he was going to fix it for me.

Thank you.

How about that?

Yeah.

That's accountability.

Yeah.

And, you know, we held it everybody to that standard LSU.

Yeah.

You know, we had a saying, and Greg McMahon was on our staff.

We attack people.

We attack, excuse me.

We attack problems, not people.

And if you do that in a situation,

everybody signs on and you say, Hey, we have this problem here.

How are we going to fix it?

People can take that.

But when you go attacking their personality, I think they start shying away from you.

Yeah, that's really

sometimes we have a problem with that.

What would you do if, like, the problem was

one of you guys just played golf all the time and didn't come to work that much?

How would you solve that problem?

Well, you're not.

You're not attacking the person, which we do sometimes attack the person, but we got to work out.

Well, no, the first time,

first of all, we had a set standard.

Everybody knew what they were going to do.

Now, if he's doing this on his off time,

good.

I mean, I'm not going to tell a grown man what he can do.

But if he's doing it on our time,

the first time I'm going to bring him in.

That's all.

Hey, man, you can't be playing golf here, okay?

What if the off time and the on-time, like they get blurred, where it's like he is doing it on his off time, but then he's maybe a little tired when he comes in for the

work.

Yeah.

Well,

you know, if his performance is being affected,

I would talk to him.

But you know what?

Here's where I learned at Old Miss, okay?

Look, when you're a defensive line coach at the University of Miami,

and you walk in there, you better be a man now.

Let me say this to you, and Warren's going to hear that, and I love him to debt.

Warren Sapp thought there was one person on campus that could whip his ass.

And that was me.

And I'm glad he thought that.

Now, I probably couldn't have, but he thought that, right?

You had to walk in there and you had to be a Marine Sergeant and not give them no slack, man, because those guys are different.

You know what I mean?

They're just, you got to channel their energy in the right direction.

But you can't coach everybody like that.

And like at Ole Miss, I'd go and I would chew a coach's butt out in front of the players.

Lost it.

So now we went to LSU and they know I get in early in the morning, my notepad, grade every play,

walk down,

they were waiting for me right down the hall, right there.

Hey, coach, come here.

I'm play 13 here.

How are we going to fix that left tackle?

Hey, Coach, here's the drill I'm going to do.

Here's what we're going to do with them.

And we're going to get it fixed.

It worked out perfect.

You know what I'm saying?

Instead of

blurring out stuff on the field and attacking people.

Yeah.

So with Pete Carroll, I know that you used some of his stuff that he used to implement at USC.

Was it Mondays, Tell the Truth?

Tell the the truth Mondays?

Done right.

What were the other days of the week?

Tell the truth Monday, competition Tuesday, turnover Wednesday, no repeat Thursday, focus Friday, and went on Saturday, baby.

All right, what happens on, is it turnover Wednesday?

Yeah.

What happens on turnover Wednesday?

Well, you know, we focus on, well, we have third down, which is good, but we have a turnover circuit.

We focus on turnovers.

You know,

we compete who has, if the offense has less than three, they win.

If the defense has more than three, they win.

And I put it up on the board.

Our guys love competition.

And you know, there's another thing I used to do?

We used to grade the one-on-ones.

You got to grade the one-on-ones, man.

You got to watch the film.

And I used to put the one-on-one grades up on

the big screen,

and everybody would see it.

I'd have to say a word.

They would get on each other's buttons.

Now, look, you got Derek Stanley going against Jamar Chase.

You know what I mean?

You got Patrick Queen going against Clyde Area-Zelaire.

You got some stuff going on there.

Yeah.

And they competed for it.

So with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, how did you recruit those guys, first of all, when you didn't have a great quarterback?

I feel like that's the easiest way to do it, right?

Like we got a great quarterback that's going to throw you the ball.

Tell me about how you got them on campus because they're obviously some of the best players in the NFL right now.

Yes.

Well,

let's talk about Jamar first, okay?

Jamar, I think, is committed to four different schools or something like that.

But what happened is, and no offense to the other staff, someone on the other staff before me told Jamar in front of his mother that he has to play cornerback.

No way, man.

So Mr.

Leah was totally against LSU.

So his daddy, Jimmy, who's a great guy, brings Jamar to camp.

Mr.

Leah would come to campus and she wouldn't say a word.

And

there you go, you got to recruit the mama.

She was the champion.

And Jamar was, we kept the best players after.

And Jamar was going one-on-one against an all-pro that's in the

league today.

And he tore him up.

And I looked at his daddy and I said, Jimmy, Jamar Chase, he was committed to Florida at the time.

Jamar Chase is coming to LSU.

He ain't going anywhere over my dead effing body.

Jimmy, looked at me.

You got to get the mama.

And one of the best things

I did, and Derek recommended it, is hired Mickey Jones.

Mickey Jones was a great coach, a great recruiter.

So Mickey did a great job of getting Mr.

Leah

and recruiting Jamar, and we got him.

And one of the things, you know, it was gratifying, you know, you go to the green room and you got your guys sitting there, and Mr.

Leah came up to me.

She says, Coach, I got to tell you something.

Everything that you told me, you did for my son.

Thank you.

But to answer your question, to get those guys, I told them we were going to the spread, and I told them we're going to get a great quarterback.

We had to be a salesman there because we weren't doing that then.

Yeah, yeah.

Have you ever thought like how good of a cornerback he might have been if he had played cornerback?

Never.

Jamar Chase

pretty good.

You never know.

You're probably right.

Pretty good.

But look,

as soon as his mama didn't want to play cornerback, I didn't even say the word, man.

Yeah, that is crazy to think about it now that it was that close for him to be a...

to be a college cornerback and then maybe a professional cornerback instead of being possibly the best wide receiver in the NFL right now.

Yeah.

And they wanted to play cornerback.

Yeah, yeah.

Cornerback.

Now look, Justin Jefferson, right?

So his brothers had come to LSU.

And then you bet on the jeans, right?

And Justin had a great camp, man.

And the coaches liked him a lot.

He was only 160 pounds.

And I'm good friends with the coach at Destroy, Coach Robeshoe.

And my nickname's Bebe.

So I go down there and I said, Coach, kind of like Justin.

He said, Bebe.

He only got a scholarship off Nichols State.

He's not going to be eligible.

I said, Coach,

we've got a scholarship for him if he's eligible.

He said, let me get working on the eligibility.

And he did.

And he did it the right way.

But Justin did not get eligible.

Sam Nader did a great job of correspondence course and getting it.

He got eligible in July, and we kept him a scholarship.

And he came to campus.

And one of the best things that happened to Justin is Jerry Sullivan was with us.

And Jerry walked through every route, taught him how to run every route.

Now, give it to Justin.

And he did the work.

He's the smoothest route runner I've ever seen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Incredible.

It is insane to think about

these guys

on your team and what they're doing in the NFL right now.

And they're the best.

I mean, it is.

It's a conversation.

It's like, who's the best receiver?

And two of the guys are LSU guys.

Right up there.

And

look at our background, and we knew what we had to do.

We knew we had to go to spread, and we knew we could get great receivers in Louisiana.

But Joe was the key.

For us to get a great quarterback and for us to, we developed Joe and he did the work.

And Joe Brady comes in.

Now, Joe was very smart.

I'll give you an example.

You know, we run in the spread.

I'm on the head and says, look, man, I'm not going to call an offensive play.

I never will.

You know what I mean?

I'll screw it up.

Hey, Joey, tell Joey, should have thrown the hot, should have thrown the hot, because the nickel was coming from the field.

The only time I ever coached up Joe Burrow on football on the field.

Hey, Joe, come here.

Why you throw the hot?

He says, Coach.

I looked over there.

I was a dirty freshman.

He can't catch the ball.

So I went to Jamar.

Think about that.

Yeah.

The guy snaps the ball.

He sees the center.

He sees the hot.

Now,

you know how fast you got to think and you got to think on your feet.

The guy's the best.

Look at him.

He is so smart.

And the tangibles that he has, the leadership, and he's like a general.

Look here.

All-state basketball player, right?

Dad's a coach.

Mom's a principal of the school, right?

Graduated from Ohio State in three years.

Think about all the signs that he had to be a great quarterback.

Yeah.

All right.

So going into this college football season, if you were coaching a team and I was like, hey, you get any player you want, what quarterback would you want to be coaching?

Archer Manning.

Yeah?

He's the real deal?

No doubt.

What makes you say that?

You know, I had an opportunity to go to Texas and speak to the clinic and speak at their clinic and I watched practice.

Now, we knew Arch Manning as a young kid from Louisiana.

He liked Joe Brady.

We watched him, but I watched his practice, and I'll say this conservatively, okay?

And Garrett, we recruited Garrett.

Garrett's a great player.

You know, it's kind of, you know, they got some great quarterbacks, but Arch is as close to, or maybe as good as Joe as I seem.

Really?

And I've never said that about anybody.

Yeah.

He's fast.

He's athletic.

He seems to be really smart.

Smart.

I guess we haven't seen him compete against the highest.

I actually like what Sark did.

It might not have been the best idea for the team last year, but he definitely told Quinn Ewers, like, hey, we're bringing Archie in, but I'm going to stay loyal to you until the end.

Like, I'm giving you my word.

And then everybody else that's in the building saw that happen when the fans were all asking for Archie.

I think that's going to end up being a good thing for Sark moving forward.

You know, his credibility.

Yeah.

Your players learn to trust you.

If you tell them something, do it.

Yeah.

So

what about defense?

As a defensive guy yourself, is there a defense in college football right right now that you see and you're like, they're doing it the right way?

I like Ohio State Lester.

Yeah.

I love that defense.

I love what they were doing, bringing the safety down, mixing things up.

He might be the best player in college, Caleb Downs.

No question.

And I love the way they attacked.

Their defensive line was phenomenal.

What's the

big white guy that

had a sack fumble?

Jack Sawyer.

Oh, my God.

I love the way that boy played football.

I mean, they were very, very impressed.

You know, on Saturdays now, now, I live on Miami Beach, and I'm on that boardwalk and on the beach every day, checking out all the sights.

You know, my head is always on a swivel.

The beautiful sight down there, and I love it.

But on Saturday, I get up, I get a good workout in the morning, and I'm on that sofa till 10 o'clock in the morning until I fall asleep 12, one o'clock, and I watch

as much football as I can, and I love it.

What coach would you say right now is like, this is the guy that's, you know, and we obviously know the Kirby and there's some certain guys that are very established, but is there a guy that you're like, this guy, what he's doing, how he's got the program going?

Well, you know, two guys I work for, you know, I think Atlanta's a great coach.

Yeah.

You know, look, how's that old mess?

I didn't have any success.

And for him to do what he's doing in that school is phenomenal.

And I love the coach I know today.

Yeah.

I'm good friends with him.

I've been there a couple of times.

He's a great guy.

The players love him.

He runs a tough practice.

And I'm going to tell you now, Mario Cristobal has done a tremendous job.

The talent level at Miami, I've been there for three years, and I've been in a bunch of practices.

The talent level that he's brought that program to right now is phenomenal.

And then Sarkeesian.

Sarkeeson is one of the best offensive minds.

He's done a great job.

I don't like his play call in the goal line against Iowa State.

I'll say that.

I'm a go-forward guy, no go sideways.

But I think those guys are doing a great job.

And the guy in Indiana.

I got to give him a little bit.

Yeah.

He He was at JMU.

So I went to school at JMU, and then I saw what he did at that smaller program, and he left for Indiana.

Seemed to, he talks a lot, though.

He's not afraid to speak his mind.

I think he, if I were to imagine what's going on in his head, he knows that Indiana is a second-tier Big Ten school.

To get people talking about Indiana, he has to be the one that puts his balls on the table

and be willing to wear that, right?

Smart selling.

Yeah.

But you know what?

He backs it up.

Yeah.

He backs it up.

Now, he, and you know, I think as a coach, and y'all seen that podcast with Pete Carroll lately?

It's a good one.

I'll send it to you guys.

Okay.

And he talked about

you got to figure out who you are, man.

Write it down.

Look at it.

Put it on paper.

And you got to make sure you're true to those values.

And then go with the plan.

He said when he first started, he said, I wasn't really worth the crap.

I was doing this and doing that.

So I finally got fired enough to write down to figure out who in the hell am I.

Just like me, I'm going to be me, and that's it.

Right.

And I'm not getting out my lane.

You know what I mean?

Now, I would just if I have to, especially with my wife every once in a while.

But other than that, Ed Ozeron's Ed Ozeron.

That's it.

Yeah, yeah, because I mean, you saw it.

Obviously, you mentioned your time at Ole Miss didn't go so well.

That was probably you not being you.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know,

I didn't.

I didn't know how to be the head coach.

I knew how to be a defensive line coach.

Look, at Ole Mist, my coaches went ice tubs and IVs.

The doctor called me and said, hey, it looks like a mass unit in the hospital.

He said, can you lay off of the guys?

But I didn't know as a head coach, you got to know how to lay off the pedal a little bit.

You can't coach the kicker the same way you coach Warnsap.

The quarterback, you can't.

You know what I mean?

So you kind of break everybody.

So it was really easier for me to be a head coach and lay off the pedal a little bit and let everybody do their job than being the hammer and try to do everything.

I can't imagine that you talk to the kickers that much.

Or just words of encouragement?

Oh, yeah.

Here's the job.

Okay.

Get your ass on the sideline and shut up.

And when you called on, get out there and make the effing kick.

Yeah.

Come back and get on the sideline and shut up again.

That's good advice.

I mean, that would be the best kicker of all time, right?

That's right.

What about, we've seen a lot of coaches.

Especially some of the older guys, that in the last couple of years, the game's changed a little bit.

Recruitments changed, the portal, all that stuff.

They've kind of said, All right, that's enough for me.

It's changed so much.

I don't feel like I want to stick around for this next era of college football.

If you're coming back, I feel like you're a great hire because you're always going to be a good recruiter.

And now it feels like there's more people than ever who are saying, Yes, I'd like to be recruited, even players that are out of school right now.

You think you could adapt to that environment?

No question.

No question.

You have to.

I told my kids, you have to do it.

Now,

is there some things that I disagree with?

Maybe?

Yeah.

I think players ought to be paid.

I'm all for that.

You know what I'm saying?

But I think the transfer portal and you being here and you getting paid and you leaving, and I think there needs to be a little bit more loyalty.

But look,

whoever adapts and adjusts and maneuvers through the system is going to win.

So I want to win, so I'll adapt and adjust.

Yeah, I believe it.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, coach, this has been awesome.

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I know you're a Roback guy as well.

Tell us your number one.

I can't believe I got that guy recruiting story.

Like the guy that you're like, I look back and I'm like, man, I did it all.

I hit all the O buttons.

I did the thing.

You know,

I got to say, you know, there's a lot of them.

But Reggie Bush.

Yeah.

Yo, Reggie.

Yo, Reggie was going to Notre Dame or Washington or something like that.

But we didn't have a good connection with him for some reason.

And

I was the recruiting coordinator.

I wasn't recruiting that area.

I wasn't recruiting the running back.

But I kind of felt that we were losing ground with Reggie.

So I called his dad and I said, hey, man.

And

we were practicing for the bowl, Orange Bowl against Iowa.

And I called his dad, hey man, can I buy you a steak this weekend?

Are y'all doing anything?

Bring your wife, bring Reggie.

Come on, man.

It's just going to be us, Coach Carroll, the staff.

Y'all come spend the weekend with her.

He said, Coach, I'm coming.

They came.

It was just Reggie.

We had a great weekend.

Then all of a sudden, you know, we go to Iowa.

I mean, we go to Orange Bowl.

We play Iowa.

It's a tough game, Orange Bowl.

We win.

Me and Coach Carroll are working.

We call in recruits right after the game.

Coach gets a call.

He said, it's Reggie.

He said, Coach, I'll watch y'all play.

I want to be a Trojan.

Wow, just like that.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

And

one of the greatest players I've ever been.

Yeah, was that always weird, though, like going from

winning a big game and then being like, well, I have to get right back to work.

I have to use this big game.

Yes.

Then go and call people.

Yes.

You know, when you win, that's when you want to do it.

Right.

Man, I remember our first year, we went to the Las Vegas Bowl and we lost, okay, at USC.

And we lost Utah, I think, or something like that.

And I was coming home.

We drove home.

Everybody's down in the dirt.

I said, Coach, yeah, Eddie.

I said, hey, let's meet in the office, man.

Let's go call recruits.

He was like, okay.

And that's the best thing we ever did that night.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

We got the taste out of our mouth.

We called the recruits.

And then you use it as a tool.

Say, hey, man, you saw the game?

We need you to come in and play for us right now.

You got to be the fix.

Yeah, yeah.

And you got it right fresh.

And then you get that stuff out of your mind.

You go on to real recruiting, and we end up signing a great class.

So, it works both ways.

Yeah, I love it.

Are you still spending time with Ray Baker?

Me and Ray.

Now, look,

there's a time in my life.

I thought about this when y'all got it.

There's a time in my life I whoop Ray Baker's ass.

You hear me?

And by the way, Ray Baker is the son.

Yeah, he is the son.

You name the son, Ray Baker.

He's the son.

Yeah.

But can I tell you the story about Ray Baker?

Yeah.

Okay.

So we had Northwestern State University, right?

And back then, you know, practices are not the same.

But back then, we, we, you know, we're going, and Bobby will tell you, we're going like 30 days straight a camp, and it's just grinding, you know.

And it's a Saturday, and we're on the turf, it's hot, and back then we huddled, right?

Freeman Thomas was my buddy, about 5'11, 330.

That's a big pads on, big guy, man.

And, baby,

yeah,

Ray Baker gonna get us today.

Man, I look in the huddle on offense.

we ain't got nobody named ray baker on the team he goes uh uh look up dick them rays gonna bake our ass today baby and ever since then for my friend freeman thomas i've been calling the son ray baker ray baker hey what do you bench do you still bench you know what

i'm gonna tell you all the truth i haven't benched since lsu i tore bolt rotator cuffs and it still kills me

it's not i work out every day yes but i never wanted to get my rotator cuff fixed because I couldn't see myself in a sling for six months.

So to answer that, the bench press is out, but if I could, hell yeah, 315, I'm not going to get up and buckle my pants if I can't bench 315.

Okay.

No way.

I like that.

I think doing it.

I think you could, even with the torn rotator cuffs.

What about you're running?

You're running every day?

Every day.

Every day.

Do you do squats anymore?

Every day.

Yeah, I still squat.

What are we squatting these days?

Yeah, you know, I don't go heavy.

I got to be honest.

Okay.

I don't go heavy.

Yeah, but still squatting.

I mean,

six or four years old.

Yeah.

Ready to go.

There's not a lot of people who are.

I'm in good shapes, man.

I'm ready to go.

AsterGrass.

What's that?

You're going all the way?

AsterGrass?

All the way down?

Oh, well, I don't know.

Parallel.

Let's go.

Okay, all right.

It's fine.

Parallel.

I would recruit you right now.

Yeah, as you go.

I would like you to coach at my school.

I hope that there's somebody out there listening that says,

if our defense needs a shot in the arm, let's bring in Coach O this year.

Yeah, it'll be good.

We'll see after the season what happens, and the best thing's always going to work out.

It always does.

Yeah, well, just know that we are massive fans of you, and you've always been great to us.

And like I said at the start of it, you can't, you know, we're writing a book now, 10 years.

So we've been doing like a little trip down memory lane and getting nostalgic.

And like

your friendship to us and being so welcoming for us to come into the LSU program to see one of the best college teams of all time, up close and personal, like that's big for us.

You know what I mean?

That's a big part of how we got to where we were going.

And it was also just a hell of a time to a hell of a time.

Yeah.

It was great to be around that team.

But it was, I mean, we can't thank you enough because those are the ones when you look back, it's kind of fun doing this experience, you know, this experience of writing a book where we look back and we're like, oh, yeah, if that hadn't happened, if that hadn't happened, if that person wasn't cool with us, it might have gone different and

you're in that list.

So, well, I thank y'all for saying that, but you know what?

Immediately when I met y'all,

I tell my wife, I can tell the person in the first 30 seconds.

And I knew y'all were winners.

I knew y'all are good guys, man.

You speak from the heart.

Y'all are who you are.

And look at the success you have.

So congratulations to y'all.

And if I can never help, I'm there.

Yeah, no, you're going to have to write a chapter.

I will be.

Okay, okay, good, good, good.

I need somebody to help me write a little bit.

Yeah, that's fine.

That's fine.

We'll put it together.

We'll write out a chapter.

Like the binders.

We got a ghostwriter.

He'll call you.

You just say a couple stories.

And then he'll write it.

And that's all you got to do.

See, that's the secret of writing a book.

You just ask all your friends to write part of the book for you.

Yeah.

All right, right, Coacho, you're the best.

Great to see you.

Thank you, guys.

Appreciate you guys.

Thanks, Coach.

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Pug is on his honeymoon, which means we have Colton filling in for him.

Colton, put on the headphones.

For people who don't know Colton, he is an all-time vibes guy in our office.

Very cool guy.

Arizonan.

Yeah,

give us a little background, Colton.

Give us a little something.

Yeah, I am an Arizonan.

As you said, I'm very, very stoked to be here.

I'm going to try and live up to the hype that Pug has built.

I hope he's having fun on his honeymoon right now.

But yeah, I come from a pranking background.

What?

New to podcasts.

Wait, what?

What?

I come from the world of danger.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I was like, dude, were you raised on pranks?

I kind of.

I did a few pranks in my day.

What was the best prank?

Oh, man.

My first one went super viral.

I went around asking kids where the G-spot was.

Tough to explain.

I did a blind roller.

No, that's not tough to explain.

I did a blind rollerblader prank one time.

That turned out pretty cool.

What was the name of your friend that Danny Conrad pranked you with?

Oh, Zane Galpin.

Yeah, Zane Galpin.

He got so pissed.

Powerful man.

Yeah, you don't want to fuck with Zane.

Not at all.

All right.

You are a vibes guy.

So, yeah, you got a lot of tattoos.

You wear oversized shirts.

You're from Arizona.

Like, you're cooler than all of us.

Thank you.

That's a fact.

That's what I'm going for.

What teams do you root for?

All Arizona, unfortunately.

All right.

Hate Kevin Durant.

Yeah.

Do you blame Kevin Durant?

He is.

Yes.

Him and the Spurs are the main reasons for the downfall of the Sun.

Oh, yeah.

The Spurs.

Yeah.

The Spurs were.

That was bad.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's me.

Stoked to be here.

Clocks look great.

Thanks.

Just using the word stoked just upped the coolness of this podcast.

How many different extreme sports have you played?

Oh, man.

Four?

Okay.

Like an extreme sport is like like action, like I snowboarding, motocross.

Motocross.

Zach's.

We already got a motocross guy.

I'm so jealous of that.

Travis

Pastrana jumped.

That was crazy.

Yeah, probably four.

Did you freak out when you saw the orange hat?

Yes.

I asked him all about it.

I shook his hand.

Travis shook.

Really jealous, but very, very deserving guy.

I don't know if I'd have the guts to do that.

I think the best way to explain Colton to our audience is when

we played pickup here at

Barcelona HQ, Chicago HQ, and

the first time we played pickup, he was wearing a full

first day in the office, played pickup in a Randy Johnson Diamondbacks jersey.

In a leg sleeve.

Shout out, Randy.

Randy Johnson baseball jersey.

Just shooting some hoops.

3XL.

Yeah.

Wait, are you in Arizona guy or Arizona State?

Northern Arizona, actually, but ASU was my, I root for them harder than U of A.

Okay.

And what size shirt are you wearing right now?

Just 2X.

I had to start out with something light.

Because you're not a 2X.

No, my mom says I'm a large.

She says that I have a lot of potential to be handsome if I would just wear large clothing.

You do wear large clothing.

Yeah.

Extra large.

Yeah.

My go-to is a 2X tall.

All right, so are we going to see maybe like a 3 or 4X in these next two weeks?

Yeah, I just got a new 4x Alvin Kamara shirt I'm really hyped on.

I'll be breaking that out soon.

Keep your eyes peeled.

I cannot wait to see that.

I'm very excited.

All right.

Let's do it.

Numbers 3, 22.

Oh, my mic wasn't.

Oh, no.

I hope Colton gets it first.

I do too.

Colton,

choose wisely.

Colton, go ahead.

I'm going with 10.

All right.

Good pick.

I'm going to go with

85.

42.

99.

Memes.

Oh.

26.

Memes, you're a piece of shit.

I said it.

16.

Jack.

Taking 90.

17.

That was a shame.

I said it like a full second before you said it, too.

That will count.

That will count.

Check the mics.

That looks like 96.

96.

Oh.

Sorry, memes.

Are you sure that's not 99?

That's 96.

Go check.

That's 96.

You want to check?

Yeah, you want to check?

It's 96.

I can zoom in.

Look at that.

That's 96, memes.

96.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's 96.

96.

Don't say wait.

96.

Official ruling 96.

Couldn't be more 96.

That's not so close.

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