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I'm starting to think that Steph Curry is important to the Warriors.

Yeah, he came out there for the shootaround.

He tried to pull the Okie Doke on us.

But I think that Draymond knew at the start of the game that Steph...

Like, he wanted to get out of this game.

Oh.

It's one of those things where, like, he knows that Steph's not going to be playing.

He knows it's not going to be competitive.

So, Dre tries to get a tech like right off the bat.

Yeah.

And then he gets in the refs' face being like, fuck you, fuck you, asking you to get kicked out because he knows that Steph's not playing.

Yeah, so I have a question for you.

So, Draymond Green did for the 7,000th time the move where he just flails his arms and legs at an opponent like he's having a full body spasm.

This is a world-class athlete who has incredible body control, but somehow this keeps happening to him.

I actually feel bad.

He should probably see a doctor about this affliction.

But afterwards, you'd mentioned it.

He yelled at the refs.

I think the refs are just scared of Draymond because he just, he gets his technical like right away.

And then he, he, and then the refs like just tune him out for the rest of the game.

It's crazy.

I think they're just scared to kick him out of a game.

Here's, here's how it went down.

He flails his arms, gets the T that he wanted.

Then the ref goes up to him.

He's like, I'm not going to kick you out, Draymond.

He's like, fucking kick me out.

Fuck you.

Do it.

Fuck you.

And the ref's like, sorry, sorry, you can keep cussing all you want.

You're not getting ejected from this game.

You got to play.

Yeah.

Your punishment is to have to play without Steph Curry in a playoff game.

And that was punishment because

the Wolves were so much better than the Warriors tonight.

There just was no, like, the Warriors just couldn't, they didn't have enough offense.

And the Wolves, like, even with Anthony Edwards, which there was a second there where I thought we were going to watch Wolves Warriors with no Anthony Edwards and no Steph Curry, and it was going to be the biggest bummer of all time.

But he went out for, was it like like a quarter or so?

He came back in the second half.

So the Wolves, even without Anthony Edwards, they got all their other guys to step up.

Like Julius Randall stepped up big time.

Jay McDaniels stepped up.

Nas Reed.

Nikhil Alexander Walker had 20.

So the Wolves feel like they're back on track a little bit here, especially if Steph's not going to play.

Because

I don't know how the Warriors win this series without Steph.

Actually, I'll just say it.

The Warriors will not win this series without Steph.

They don't win the series without Steph for sure.

I think that the Wolves without Ant would be favored in Minnesota, I'd say by five and a half points over the Warriors without Steph.

Yeah, yeah.

And we had,

let's see, that Jaden McDaniels,

that block and dunk was awesome.

I mean, the crowd was into it.

It was good.

It was good to see the Timberlolls get back on track.

By the way, I should have mentioned to start, obviously, we record the beginning.

We recap the Thursday Night Games from Zoom.

Hank is on this episode.

We're going back to the studio after we start the show because some people might skip the intro and just see that Hank's not here and like, wow, what a coward.

No, he is not a coward.

He is on this show.

And we have a couple special guests, including Gilbert Arenas, but a couple extra special guests when we get back in the studio.

So just want to set that.

He also might be a coward and be on the show.

That's another option, too.

Yeah, it could be both.

It could be both.

But yeah, I agree.

In this case, I think that Steph is actually going to come back sooner than we think that he is.

I wouldn't be shocked if he tried to play in their next game because he knows.

And with the team they've got right now, he feels like he's been saying, like, this feels like the last dance type thing that we're trying to do right now.

I think he's going to try to come back maybe too soon.

I hope not too soon.

I hope he's able to play and play healthy because I like watching Steph play.

But it's like, you know, it's like, get a blowjob, big cat.

That's what I would say about that.

But I do think that he's going to give it a shot and try to play sooner than he probably should.

And we'll see if it works out from there.

Yeah, I feel like he might play Saturday.

I feel like they might just be like, hey, let's just try to win this game Saturday without him.

And then Monday, it's, you know, if you go down 2-1, Monday, it's like you need him.

And then, and then if you can get it tied, then you have a little bit of a break.

Like, there's the Wednesday game, but then there's a little break all the way till Sunday.

The NBA scheduling makes no sense.

They're playing every other night until Wednesday, and then the next game is Sunday.

So I don't understand that.

But yeah,

I want to see Steph back out there.

I mean, I think the Timberwolves are very good.

I think they can beat Steph.

They beat the Warriors with Steph.

It's just that when Steph's not there, there's a 0% chance.

Yeah, no chance at all for the Warriors.

Jimmy Butler can do anything and everything that he wants to do, and he can have a great game without Steph for sure.

But again, like the whole team is going to be limited without one of the best players of all time.

Yeah.

We also, what did the

Wolves

finally shot well from three, so they fixed it.

They had a two-game stretch where I think we mentioned it on Wednesday shows 17% and 14%.

They were very good from three tonight.

So that's an encouraging sign for the Wolves and feel like they're, yeah, back on track.

Like a 1-1,

they did kind of what the Thunder did.

And we're going to get to that.

But like,

you're the higher seed.

You have home court.

You can't lose the first two.

And they won this one in convincing fashion.

They can go to Golden State and be like, all right, we can do this.

The thing about Steph Curry and how big of a difference he makes is it's actually crazy, especially against a team like the Timberwolves.

Where I think most, I think you could put Steph on any team in the NBA and they would be able to win at least one game in a seven-game series.

Like, obviously, it'd be five.

That's how big a difference it makes because he'll have one where he just goes nuclear.

He doesn't miss anything.

And then the whole spacing on defense is thrown off because you have to account for the outside shooting.

And then they can get one, maybe even two games off most teams with Steph Curry.

Maybe not the really bad teams.

Maybe not the Wizards.

Maybe not the Sixers.

Maybe not the Sixers.

Well, the Sixers, if Steph Curry played on the Sixers, they would rest him.

Yeah, that's the difference.

He probably would just get injured.

All right, so PFT, like I said, we're going to have Hank on and everyone's going to be back together in studio in a minute.

Was there a thought watching the Caps game when it got to 2-1?

We spent basically 30 minutes grilling Hank being down 0-2

both home games.

Was there a thought you're like, oh, fuck, this is not going to age well when we kick it back to studio and everyone's be like, but PFT, you're down 0-2 at home.

Was there that?

Did that thought cross your head?

That thought crossed my head all day today.

That thought started crossing my head right when the Celtics lost last night.

I'm not rooting against the Celtics per se, but I am rooting against Hank because it's a lot of fun to watch Hank lose.

I think most people would agree with me, by the way.

Even if you don't feel one way or the other about the Celtics, I would rather see him lose than see him win.

But yeah, that thought crossed my mind the second that the game ended yesterday.

I didn't really even get to enjoy the loss that much because I was just thinking, well, this is what I'm staring down for my own personal game to.

And there's a lot of similarities between the Caps and the Celtics in terms of how their season's gone, the expectations for them.

And I'm just, I wake up every day and I think my lucky stars that Hank is not smart enough to see that I'm opening myself up to all sorts of responses from him.

He doesn't watch hockey.

That's the best part.

The whole time,

he could just reverse all these things on you.

Every word that I say to him.

He doesn't see it.

He does not see it at all.

Every word, every single word that I say to Hank could very easily have been said right back to me regarding the caps.

But guess what?

We don't have to have that conversation because we split at home.

Tom Wilson played one of the best games of hockey that I've seen anybody play all year.

And it was in every aspect of the game.

Even if you're a Tom Wilson hater, which I acknowledge,

there are many Tom Wilson haters.

And in fact, I think most fans of other teams probably hate Tom Wilson.

But if Tom Wilson was on your team, you would love him.

That's just the kind of player that he is.

And I've had to deputize myself as like a Tom Wilson defender in the last several years because you can slow down every screenshot and make a case that, oh, this guy is dirty.

This guy does blah, blah, blah.

He's also really fucking skilled.

And he had a great assist tonight.

He played awesome on defense in addition to some of the big hits that he had.

He took away a goal from Orlov, and then he blocked a shot like five seconds afterwards.

And yeah, just an all-around great game of hockey from Tom Wilson.

He's so much fun to watch.

And I'm glad that the Caps were able to pull one out.

We looked pretty good tonight.

There was more juice.

We had juice in the building.

You know what?

There was more juice.

It wasn't juice, big cat.

I was wrong.

It's not the juice that we needed.

What was it?

Agape.

We needed agape in the building tonight.

That's the caps catchphrase right now.

And it's spelled A-G-A-P-E.

Okay.

So it's a gape.

Okay.

And they handed out towels tonight for the game for the fans that just said a gape on them.

In the stands, they had like a laser projection before the game that said a gape.

And then when you say a gape, All the fans at the stands make what looks like a hole with their hands, but it's really a heart.

Okay.

They're just like a gape.

Look at, I'm going a gape right now.

It's the funniest thing ever.

It is like a biblical word for like true love, like the highest form of love that you can have.

But they still have the word agape plastered all over the arena.

And they're making a giant hole with their hands when they show

their support for the agape movement.

Okay.

As an unbiased third party,

I don't know if you can win a cup with a gape.

You don't think so?

I don't think so.

I just, that doesn't.

That's like if you have a catchphrase that people are saying incorrectly,

that's tough.

But you have to agree with that.

I'm not trying to, like, it's just a fact.

Like, if we saw this on, if we saw this from another team,

we would make fun of it.

Yeah, but that's, it's like Tom Wilson.

Yeah.

I would hate Tom Wilson.

I love a gape.

I love a gape.

They catch it.

You got to gape your heart out.

You got to gape till you can't gape anymore.

I'm just telling you from a removed set of eyes.

Yeah.

It's bad.

Listen, I am the most let's agape.

Let's get a gape together.

I'm the gape out of my eyeballs.

Part of my take is the number one most agape podcast in the United States.

I'm the biggest, I'm the biggest dumbest shit I've ever heard.

I'm the most agape guy on the planet right now.

When I watch Tom Wilson, I get a gape.

What is the genesis of it?

Who came up with it?

It's a biblical word.

You got a problem with the Lord?

No, no, I'm saying, like, who, who, I know it's, you said it was a biblical word.

I'm saying who was like, hey, we're going to use this word.

Because

I'm saying this cautiously.

Yep.

Because all these things usually like they'll do the Uno reverse card on you and be like, oh, it's actually one of the one of the guys' kids who has cancer.

He says a gape to his dad right before he leaves for the rink every night.

Like, I don't want that to happen.

But where did this start?

It started with our backup goalie.

I think it was Charlie Lindren.

Okay, that helps.

That helps.

He's a big, he's a big like Christian literature guy.

Got it.

And so he read about the concept of agape love being the most pure form of love.

So he brought it to my understanding.

And I'm reading between the lines because there's nothing from the Capitals that like, they know that the word is agape.

You have to know that the word is a gape, but they don't do anything to like wink-wink at you about why this is a big thing for us.

So reading between the lines, I think that it was Charlie Lindgren, who's a big Christian literature guy.

He read about the concept of agape love, brought it to the locker room and said, this is what I'm reading about.

It's like the best form, the highest form of love that you can have for somebody that you truly care about.

Like we care about each other in this locker room.

And then I think what probably happened was

all the guys in the locker room were like, haha, holy shit, a gape?

Yeah.

And then they started saying a gape.

And then they told the team PR person, yeah, it's this form of love.

And then they ran with it.

That's what's going on here.

So

also, also, you got to fight fire with fire.

We're going up against Brandy Love.

And she's a very gape person, too.

That's true.

She's a gape a lot.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

So

I still think that's a tough phrase to win a cup with.

It helps a lot that it's a backup goalie.

The best, like when you start, when you think about championship teams, the best catchphrases and ideas usually come from offensive linemen, catchers, backup catchers, backup goalies.

These are the things, you know, the guy on the, you know, guy on the bench in a basketball team who's the 10th on the bench, who only comes in, you know, when you're already up.

Like these, you can't have your stars creating these.

So you get a little points back for that.

Yeah, yeah.

Listen, I'm going all in on it.

I'm all in on a gape right now.

By the way, so other hockey stuff, I don't, we got to wait till we get Yandel on or Biz or Whitney because my question to them will be: is we we talk about it with baseball and basketball, like being in the zone.

If if that exists in hockey, Miko Rantonen is in the zone because what he's doing right now is insane.

So he had a hat-trick, a natty-hatty

on Wednesday night.

In the last four games, he has had eight goals

and six assists.

Pretty ridiculous.

He is crazy.

Absolutely on fire.

And the Stars took the first game of the series on the road.

And it feels like

the Stars are going to win the cup.

I don't know.

Maybe that's a stupid thing to say, but it feels like they're really fucking good.

Would you say they're aligning right now?

They feel like they might be aligning.

And with those goals, didn't he get a hat-trick in one period in each of those games?

It was in the second period last night on Wednesday night, excuse me.

And it was in the third period against the Avs game seven.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's unbelievable what that guy's doing.

That wasn't the Stars game.

The Avs game wasn't a natty hattie because it was an open goal.

Right, but that was an empty net.

Why'd I say open goal?

Empty net.

Yeah.

I just got caught up in natty hatty.

But that's fine.

I feel like the downplaying of empty netters is something that the casual fan would do because because they count you're winning if you're winning a playoff game and they got to take the goalie out that means that you guys did something right yeah they count uh and then i i

the leafs it might be their year that was a that was a nice another one where it's like now

it is early in the series and the leafs usually leaf later in the series but if you had to say for two games the way they are fighting and winning these games and something about biz with that mustache every time I see him with that mustache, I'm like, shit, something magical.

That really is like, Biz's mustache dominates a gape.

Yeah.

Like, that's kind of like the

also, it might imply a gape, too.

That's true.

He did you see his video

earlier?

I mean, the love definition.

Yeah.

Did you see the video of him after they won on Wednesday night?

I did.

He's going massage.

He's going nuts.

And that's why I can't take anything that he says about the cap seriously because I know he's going to turn his back on me the second that they go up against the Leafs.

And also, let's not forget that Paul Bissnett is a bet Welcher.

He made a bet about getting circumcised a couple years ago if the Leafs didn't win a playoff series, and he never did it.

Yeah.

And by the way, speaking of that.

We should shout out Paul Pierce for actually walking to the studio today.

He said before game two of the Knicks-Celtic series, if the Knicks win that game, he's going to walk from his house to his job.

I think it was 20 miles.

We're living in a world where guys aren't eating poop on camera and and welching on all types aren't putting burrito no i think the guy did put the burrito up his ass i'm pretty sure he put the burrito up his ass so that guy's off the hook yeah but uh paul pierce deserves a shout out for that and then came in in wheelchair that was a that was some good some good tv yeah that was excellent oilers just scored again oilers are up 3-1 there and then oilers are buzzing he was walking he was walking to work and then kevin garnett drove past him yeah found out where he was driving and just gave him a little flyby real quick.

That was

credit to Paul Pierce.

He is the truth.

Because there's a lot of guys, like there's a lot of bets that are not getting paid up.

Like, Max hasn't done the Dingers-only League.

I'm owed $500 from a random guy online.

Right.

The other guy hasn't eaten the poop.

FSU.

Yeah, it is a sad state of affairs in this country, but I'm glad to see that Paul Pierce is living up to it.

With the Leafs, Nielander might be close to being in the zone, too.

Yeah.

He's having the great playoffs.

And shout out Mitch Marner.

He got a baby goal.

He had, I think it was his first kid over the weekend on Saturday, maybe, and then had an awesome shot from pretty much on the boards that he just sniped in.

The Leafs are fun.

I find myself rooting for the Leafs.

Me too.

And again, we know that there's going to be a lot of our Canadian listeners and be like, you guys are fucking assholes.

Don't root for the Leafs.

But they are fun.

I don't know what to say.

I root for the Leafs, but I also think it's hilarious if they were to lose.

If I had to have one

thing I could say negative about the leaves,

it bothers me how veiny the leaf is.

Oh, yeah.

I think it's just a little too much veins.

I like that it's anatomically correct.

And I like that it's it?

That's a lot of, that's a lot of veins.

That's where the maple syrup is.

Yeah.

You just have good stuff coming.

Stick it in there like an IV, yeah, and just pour it out.

But yeah, we're really in a no-lose situation with these leafs because it's awesome if they lose because it's very funny and they're a fun team.

So if they win, we get to watch them play more.

Yeah.

And I think if the Caps can't go to the Stanley Cup final, I think we all should be rooting for Euler's Leafs because it would be,

I mean, incredible for Spit and Chiclets.

It would be all time.

Yeah.

Also, just as a fan, it would be fun to watch.

Yeah, be very fun.

Speaking of Canada, by the way,

we have an American Pope, so suck on that.

First ever from Chicago, White Sox fan.

They found Chicago Sun-Times found a picture of like

a father and son.

And in the background is the Pope.

What's his name?

Official name, Pope Leo XIV?

Leo the something, yeah.

Yeah.

They found him in the background of the, of the 2005 World Series.

So yeah, it's awesome.

We got, and we, we got an American Pope.

Suck on that.

Everyone.

Yeah, it's very important.

Finally, representation matters.

Now American kids can grow up thinking they too can be the pope one day.

And apparently this guy's neighbor in Chicago told him growing up, like, one day you will be the first American Pope.

You can be the Pope.

I did see someone quote to you and said, that neighbor, LeBron James.

Yeah, that's a fact.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, it's very cool to be able to say to the world that has, you know, you've all had your turns with popes.

Italy's had like a million popes before.

And now it's time, let's get American in there, kick some ass.

Let's see what we do with it.

And we might just never relinquish it.

it might be just a thing where it's like you know we took over your dot come come to your trap take over your trap yeah cousins also the pope but yeah uh the picture of him at the world series game for the white sox was it was very funny and i saw another picture of her of him in a uh chicago pizzeria like a year ago just standing there he look he looks like a pure chicago guy it's so funny to like because like you know the pope has never been american so now we have a pope who we could be like hey he actually washes our sports like he could, this pope who is the head of the Catholic Church could could actually have like been thinking at one point in the last couple of months, being like, Ben Johnson is going to save Caleb Williams.

Like that could be a thought in his head.

The guy who's running the Catholic Church.

I mean, credit to Ryan Polis because Chicago's, they're going to be way better at Hale Mary's next year.

Yeah.

They got the Pope on their side.

They can't win a Super Bowl with the Pope on their side.

I mean, and obviously

there was the the joke of the day was the the

uh catholic church got or chicago got a pope before the bears got a 4 000 yard passer that was pretty funny that's pretty mean i thought the joke of the day was just stealing it was

caleb williams did tweet that as well yes yeah stole my tweet stole my tweet caleb but i pointed out i pointed out to caleb that if you're gonna make fun of jaden daniels mom then you're also making fun of the pope no girls that's true that's true that's true

It is crazy, though, to be like, this guy,

does he watch football?

I assume so.

He has to.

He's American.

He absolutely watches football a million percent.

I need just his thoughts on just the most mundane things just to rile up the super religious people being like, yeah, I actually am thinking about this.

Yeah, like I did actually say that if we, if I'm going to be the Pope, I'm going to need YouTube TV for kickoffs on Sunday.

The player's like, thank God after the game.

And the Pope's just like, you're welcome.

Talk to him.

I got you, boys.

I hooked that up for you.

Also, big misstep by the Cubs, though.

Big miscalculation by the Cubs.

Yeah,

there were some weird reports.

They claimed the Pope, and then it took a real journalist to go out there, boots on the ground, journalism, find his brother, and be like,

which baseball team does he actually root for?

Because you can't lie on the Pope's name.

You can't do that.

It was

tough.

tough the the marquee showing it uh it wasn't great it wasn't great i hope this doesn't submarine the entire cub season but it the thought has crossed my mind it might literally be blasphemy yeah they it's a false prophet right yeah hey chicago what do you say the pope is from the usa there you go that that one was good that's a banger

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Max and Hank aren't here.

So I think PFT and I just get their picks this week.

I think it's fair.

Yeah, so I'm going to go with...

Donovan Mitchell plus 380 in the DraftKings Sportsbook to score the first basket and SGA plus 425 in the DraftKings Sportsbook to score first basket.

What do you got?

Okay, I'm going to go Pascal Siakam plus 850 first basket, Pascal's wager, and then Jokic plus 600 to score in the nightcap.

Yeah.

I like it.

So, yeah, they just, I think that's fair.

They don't get, they don't get a pick.

Yeah, I mean, it's in the stipulations and the rules of

the contest is that you have to be present on part of my take to make the pick.

We texted saying, are we ready to go?

And

wait, memes, you said don't type a gape on Twitter.

Oh, no no you have to type a gape on twitter i'm doing it right now and then once you once you go uh

three tweets down it's just is this gonna fuck up my algorithm no you just you see a guy with massive hog and then oh and what is he doing

he's gaping he's gaping is it goat seat yep i saw it okay yeah goat seat yourself that's fine yeah listen it's not for the faint of heart not not everyone is built to get a gape like i am yeah yeah we're not gonna gape anymore anymore on Twitter.

That's fair.

All right.

So last thing we want to talk about,

George Pickens gets traded to the Cowboys.

And this is perfect because

George Pickens with Jerry Jones is like, if you had to pick where you want him to go, I think that would be the

perfect marriage.

Jerry Jones also saying that he was going to make a big move, whether before the draft or after the draft.

Promises made, promises delivered.

Apparently, this is the big move.

The only problem for Jerry Jones is, like, the, you know, don't, don't, what is it?

Don't start a war in Russia in the winter.

Uh, what, what was the, what was Princess Bride?

Never saw it.

You never saw Princess Bride?

I've dropped in and out of it a few times.

Uh, so, and I understand the references.

Okay, hold on.

I'm going to find it.

Don't

I am your father prepared to die, something like that.

Yeah, I'm a Nigo Montoya.

Uh, never get involved in a land war in Asia.

What's the whole fucking quote?

I don't know.

Either way, what I was getting to.

Yeah, there you go.

You got them all.

I think it's inconceivable, right?

It's inconceivable.

I think it's also like, don't go against, don't, don't get into a poison off with like a Sicilian.

I butchered this.

My point, though, is never trade for a wide receiver from Mike Tomlin because Mike Tomlin is trading his wide receiver for a reason.

And that means that Mike Tomlin is done with his wide receiver and he doesn't want him anymore.

And you can go back.

Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool, Antonio Brown, who I know won a Super Bowl with the Bucs, but he got traded to the Raiders and that didn't last more than what, a month?

And then he became a sex criminal, too.

Yeah.

Martavis Bryant, Santonio Holmes, okay on the Jets, but he was obviously, that was his best years were on the Steelers.

Mike Tomlin, when he's like, I'm done with

the wide receiver, that's, it's over.

It's It's damaged goods.

You don't want to do that.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think that it's

a little bit different from the other examples that you gave because some of those other guys, not all of them, but some of them were towards the downside of their career.

I don't think that anyone is saying that Pickens physically is getting towards the downside of his career.

Like when you look at Mike Wallace, he probably wasn't, he was probably like right in the prime.

He was, yeah, he played well on the on the Dolphins and the Ravens after.

Yeah, but a lot of those others were kind of like on the downside.

They had reached their peak physically and they were getting slower, not faster at that point.

Pickens is a little bit different from that, but also if Mike Tomlin doesn't think he can handle you anymore, that is a pretty good sign that Jerry Jones won't be able to handle you.

Now, what I think is a big, big warning sign for this entire operation here for the Cowboys is that Pickens is not signing an extension.

So he's on a one-year deal.

Now, you might be saying to yourself, well, PFT, doesn't that just mean that he's going to be highly motivated to be productive this year so we can cash in a free agency?

Yes, that is a valid point.

However, I think the bigger point is that if CeeDee Lamb starts getting

the lion's share of the targets and Pickens isn't involved in the game plan, he is going to blow his head off.

He is going to go fucking insane, even by George Pickens standards, because he always wants the ball in general.

And he's a great player.

He does deserve the ball, I think, more than he's gotten it in the past but even when he's getting the ball a decent amount he still flips out and he does crazy shit because he's frustrated when he's really not getting the ball and it's impacting his bottom line on what he's going to sign for in free agency i feel like i feel like it's a volatile mix yes i would agree with that uh

i would say that yeah george pickens

look he's got all the talent it's just can he do everything else i mean remember the end he had that zero He had that, he had that game.

What was it?

Was it a playoff?

No, it wasn't the playoff game.

I think it was the Bengals game where he had

one reception for like minus one yard

in the last week of the season.

And

I don't know.

I just, yeah, it feels like a combustible situation.

And again, I'm going to go just trust Mike Tomlin that if he doesn't want you anymore as a wide receiver, that means something's up.

Yeah,

it's probably not a Mike Tomlin problem.

I think it's on the other foot.

But I do love George Pickens is still like one of the more electric players in the NFL to watch.

Yeah, I'm rooting for him to do well because it would be fun.

It's fun when he's good and he makes crazy catches and he goes crazy on the field.

The only other question I had for you, PFT, knowing how the Steelers operate, knowing how Mike Tomlin operates, they always need a crazy guy at wide receiver.

Do you think there's a part of DK Metcalf who walked in the locker room?

I don't know if they're in OTAs or whatever, or just showed showed up to training and he's like, looks around.

He's like, wait, so it's me?

I'm the crazy.

I have to be the crazy guy now.

I think a lot of times teams do that if they've got a young superstar and they got to trade away like the old veteran presence to really let the young superstar grow into their role.

Jason Tate, Marcus Smart, was the heartbeat of that team.

And Brad Stevens was like, we love you, Marcus, but we got to get rid of you and let these guys step it up.

I think this is a challenge.

I think Mike Tomlin is issuing a challenge to DK Metcalf to really get fucking nuts with it this year.

Yeah.

I think he can fulfill it.

Yeah.

I do too.

Do you think DK is like, wait, so those

like personal fouls and all these extracurricular penalties, I get to do George's now too?

Yeah, you're stepping into the, that's the Steelers wide receiver one position.

Yeah.

That's what that means.

And I think he's capable.

They might be able to offset some of the crazy if they get Aaron Rodgers.

That would be like a different element of crazy.

So I went on Pittsburgh radio with our guys this week, and

they basically were like, Aaron Rodgers.

So this was a theory

from our guys, Bill Crawford and Randy Bauman.

And I told them I was going to steal this theory.

And essentially, so I'm actually crediting them.

Essentially, they said that they are waiting.

Aaron Rodgers is a quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

That's what they said.

It starts there.

Aaron Rodgers is already the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but they're basically playing a game of chicken because Aaron Rodgers' new maybe wife, I don't know, he was wearing a wedding ring at Kentucky Derby, is big into astrology.

And if Aaron Rodgers signs with the Steelers before the schedule comes out, they're going to give the Steelers a ton of night games.

And they don't want that to happen because Aaron Rodgers is a little older in astrology, playing at night.

So he's just waiting for the schedule to come out.

Then he will sign with the Steelers and make it official.

And then probably bring, you know, know, all the Packers, like Randall Cobb will probably be there.

Jordy Nelson will probably be there.

That's where the rest of the receivers are going to come from.

So that's their theory.

And I loved it.

And I told them it was a great theory.

And I was going to share it on pardon my take.

And they also threw in the extra of like their astrologist, his astrologist, wife/slash girlfriend being like, you know, Mercury is in renegade.

Real Yins are shit.

Oh, I like that.

That's a great saying.

Shout out to those guys.

I love the guys.

They're the people.

So it's an interesting thing.

You're saying that she, as an astrologist, doesn't want him playing games at night?

Yeah, when she...

It's partially, it's partially, I think, his age, and then partially, like,

she wants him to be in the best.

spot and I guess night like doesn't line up with it's all crazy crazy pseudoscience that you have to believe so he's playing this game just so that he doesn't have to play at night I think it's more just astronomy it's like it's nighttime outside does Does that make you an astrologist?

It'd be like, I don't see the sun.

Yeah, you could say I'm a bit of a star freak myself.

We should look into seeing what Aaron Rodgers' sign is

and compare that to what George Pickens' sign is

and see if the two of them are compatible.

Compatible, yeah.

I mean, it is remember.

I thought that might be it.

Remember our theory at the end of Tom Brady's career with the Bucs?

We're like, because he had a string of late games where he didn't play well.

And it's like, yeah, he's 45 years old, dude.

He wants to go to bed at 8 o'clock at night, and they're kicking off at 8.15.

This could be a situation where he's like, listen, I know the Steelers are a national brand.

They're going to get a certain amount of primetime games.

But if there's Aaron Rodgers, they'll probably get a couple more because he does put asses in the seat.

So I think we're going to get Aaron Rodgers on the Steelers on May 15th.

If they go into the season.

with no Aaron Rodgers into the schedule,

I feel like they would get maybe one, like Mason Mason Rudolph as the quarterback.

What does that do for you?

Yeah.

Yeah,

it would definitely be less.

So that might be their play.

Okay, so George Pickens, when's his birthday?

Let's look this up here.

His birthday is March 4th, 2001.

Which makes him a locker room dancer.

Okay, Pisces.

No, I don't know.

I guessed.

Okay.

Am I right?

Yes.

Wow.

The only ones I know are Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces.

Oh, Leo, too, right?

That's the Pope.

Yeah, that is the Pope.

The Pope.

All right.

So he's a Pisces, and Aaron Rodgers is a Sagittarius.

Okay.

Do Sagittarius and Pisces get along?

Pisces and Sagittarius.

Let's find out.

This is the type of hard-hitting analysis that only part of my take can give you.

Pisces and Sagittarius, while different, can form a surprisingly strong connection in both friendship and romance.

Maybe they were afraid they were going to start dating.

That is real fear.

The contrasting elements, water and fire, can create a dynamic and exciting partnership, but also require understanding and communication to navigate potential clashes.

Sagittarius's need for freedom and independence may clash with Pisces' desire for emotional security.

That checks out to me.

Yeah, and also Sagittarius is direct and blunt, which can be hurtful to Pisces, who are sensitive and emotional.

That checks out.

Aaron Rodgers is very direct and blunt,

and george pickins is very emotional we should get an astrologist on on part of my take and and do our like full nfl team record predictions based off astrology yeah

oh man clear and honest open communications but it also it gets deeper than that if you read the whole chart so i'm assuming that aaron rodgers girlfriend wife jordan whatever it is that individual has you know they get deep into it they find out what time of day you were born yeah that whole thing and then they they do the big sketch out, the chart, and they're like, okay, now I can tell you the most generic things possible that you will find to be seemingly accurate.

Yeah.

By the way, we haven't had any updates on Jordan.

That's true.

I did hear one.

I heard one update on Jordan.

As her job as

the head PR marketing person for Belichick's book, she is giving every UNC graduate a copy of her book this year.

Or excuse me, his book.

Freud.

He's going to sell it.

So yeah, bumping those numbers up a little bit.

Good job, Jordan.

Jordan did it.

Oh, Jules spoke out and said that she's a distraction.

You got to keep that in the clubhouse, Jules.

Yeah, come on, Jules.

Jules is just mad that he's getting Wally Pipped.

Oh, man.

Okay.

Let's get back to ourselves with Hank.

Special guest, maybe.

And then we have a great interview with Gilbert Arenas, almost an hour with Gilbert Arenas, who's awesome.

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Okay, Hank, we're back in studio.

Game two of the Celtics Knicks.

If you thought it was a rerun,

you're not going crazy.

The Knicks were down 20 points again.

The Celtics missed a ton of threes again.

And the New York Knicks are somehow up 2-0 in this series.

Hank's looking for the remote.

I think he's trying to stall because he doesn't want us to talk about this game.

Hank.

Yeah.

You're not worried.

I did say on the show on Sunday that the Celtics could lose one.

I wouldn't be worried.

And I said, you know what?

They could lose two, and I wouldn't be worried.

Yeah.

And it's true.

It's not true.

It's not true.

It's not worried.

Oh, no.

If they have just lost, you know, a couple close games, a couple battles, and the Knicks, you know,

the way they lost has me a little worried.

That's what I want to say.

Okay, why?

Yeah, specifically.

Because they've

missed every single three.

Jason Tatum.

That's not true.

Absolutely.

They're 25 for 100 from three.

And this game, by the way, before

you tell us how worried you are, all credit to the Knicks.

Specifically, their defense, they stopped, I think it was one for 14 the Celtics finished on, and the one was Jason Tatum going for that dunk.

They missed 13 straight shots.

In that 13 straight shots, so it was 84-68, and then the Knicks stopped them 13 straight times.

And it's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad.

That was bad.

And the Knicks.

All credit to the Knicks.

They are as gritty as gritty gets.

They have won all five of their road games these playoffs, and they've won them by two points, one point three points three points one point so every single game they've won on the road and they've won all of them in these playoffs is three points or less that's just a tough fucking team it is a tough team they they don't die and the celtics going 15 for 60 in game one that's 25 from three and then in game two they went 10 for 40 also 25 percent this can't it's not gonna last but that's the thing it's it's right they you have a historically bad shooting night everyone's asked me after game one what's wrong with the celtics They're not going to have that bad of a shooting night again.

If they shoot 30%, they win that game easily.

The same thing goes for last night.

Like, if they shoot 30%, they win that game easily.

If they hit one field goal or maybe two field goals in the last eight minutes, they probably win that game.

They had a lot of open looks.

There's nothing.

The game plan is...

The problem that worries me a little bit is that...

There's nothing to fix besides making shots.

Like the game plan is the game plan, and it's working correctly.

They can't make shots down the stretch.

What about Jason Tatum?

He is in the fourth quarter of this series.

He has six points, one for 11 field goals, 0 for 9, 3-pointers.

Yeah, he's got a banged up wrist.

He's battling through it.

You know, he didn't make that layup when we needed it most.

Didn't love the look at the end of the game.

The one that we were about to have a great conversation with Gilbert Arenas, there was a sequence where the Knicks were storming back.

It was an 86-81 game.

Yeah.

Three minutes left.

Jason Tatum has a wide open three from the corner, but you'd normally be like, hey, take this three.

Al Horford, Jalen Brunson was on Al Horford and he had fallen down, and Al Horford was standing under the hoop, wide open.

A simple pass and a dunk stops the bleeding a little bit.

Instead, Jason Tatum takes the three, misses the three, or Jason Tatum just goes to the hoop there.

He probably scores.

That was bad.

That was bad.

It was bad.

It was shocking.

It was a shocking,

shocking turn of events.

It was.

Because you're up 20 again.

Surely this can't happen again.

Surely we're going to hit one shot.

And we got looks.

We got open looks.

That one was kind of a dagger when you just see him fall over and no one was even, it was just him and Al in the basket.

Yeah, well, you did make it.

Same way with zero.

You did make a field goal down the stretch.

That's when Jason Tatum drove the length of the floor.

And

everybody was like, wow, that was really easy.

Well, yeah, that was, I was, I was, I was on Instagram live and I I was like, who's taking this shot?

No one wants to shoot.

Best play of all time.

Just run down and dunk it.

Like, that's easy.

Don't have to worry about shooting.

But then, yeah, on the next possession, Tatum didn't want to shoot.

He tried to pass it.

Mikael Bridges stopped it.

It was, it was,

again, this has been this iteration of the Celtics, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown era.

This has been somewhat of a common theme where they get a little tight down the stretch and

it doesn't look good.

And right now, they're in one of those modes.

Yeah, and it feels like the Knicks gain.

There's no way it happens again.

It feels like I know you said before you're not scared of anyone on the Knicks.

Jalen Brunson's good.

Jalen Brunson, when they get into clutch time.

And also, by the way, Mikael Bridges,

incredible fourth quarter.

He scored 14 points.

He was everywhere on defense.

They're just a gritty team.

Yeah.

They're a gritty team.

Now, while watching this game, Hank,

how many times do you think about Jerry O'Connell and what he was maybe?

Was he like you know, bing-bonging to himself?

Was it, did it pop in your head that, like, Jerry's having the best time, and maybe the 86 Mets thing is correct?

And could you hear the bing-bong ringing in your ears?

I was happy that I was like on my couch.

I was like, it's one of those perspective things.

Yeah.

Where it's like, this is

traumatic, but at least I'm not getting this fucking.

All right, we're going to do it.

Is that soundboard names?

What is that?

Bing-bong, bing-bong.

Hanky,

I'm wearing the broke back hat.

It's my lucky broke back hat.

You gave it to me.

I can't quit you.

I can't quit you.

Hey, everyone, I'd like to introduce to everyone our new puppy,

Jalen.

Oh, that's an adorable name.

Brunson, not Brown.

I'm inside you.

I can't quit you.

I can't quit you.

Well, Hank, what do you?

I mean, Jerry's here.

Jerry's here.

Hey, I heard your ear pop yesterday.

It's two days ago.

Yeah.

It wasn't your fault, Jerry.

Had nothing to do with it.

I told you.

You had a little cold, a little head cold.

What are you going to say to Jerry?

I'm happy Jerry's enjoying it.

It's a fun little ride.

He's getting his hopes up, and we're going to go into New York and shut him up.

That's fine.

They deserve to gloat.

They won two games that they shouldn't have won.

And I got nothing to say.

Congratulations.

Hanky, I want you to say there's something special about this Knicks team.

No, I will not say that.

I want to hear you say it.

No.

I want to hear you say there's some magic there.

Jalen Brunson's a good player,

and you guys are getting very lucky.

You know what's funny?

Wednesday when I was on the podcast, you know what I was thinking of?

The Giants beating the Patriots.

You're a fucking Jets fan, Jerry.

No, I'm just, we're inside you.

Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong.

Jalen only knows the Knicks

beating the Celtics.

Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong.

Jerry, where are you?

Where are you right now?

Oh, my,

remember my car was on the show Wednesday.

It broke down.

Yeah.

PMT knows what I'm talking about.

I hear you.

I hear you.

I'm waiting.

Uh, Jerry, uh, Hank was saying earlier this week that he would not be worried if the Celtics went down 2-0.

Um, now that they are down to nothing, he just confided in us that he was, in fact, a little bit worried.

I don't know if you have any words of encouragement or anything like that, but the boy needs to be picked up a little bit.

No, I don't have words of encouragement.

Um, as a Knicks fan, being up 2-0,

I'm worried.

The Celtics are

awesome, And for some reason, they're not hitting shots.

And for some reason, at the end of the game, they're not getting shots off.

That's got to be so frustrating.

Two games in a row.

Nightmare on Hanky Street, part two.

Yeah, so do you, I mean, game three, a must win or can't lose, Jerry?

At the garden, it's going to be electric.

I wish I could afford tickets there.

If I had just gambled more at DraftKings Sportsbook, maybe I could have bought a couple of those.

But

I'll be watching from a bar in Los Angeles.

I hate to give up my location, but here we go.

33 caps.

Los Angeles.

It's a Nick's bar.

It's incredible.

I love it.

Wait, so

are you scared of the Celtics now?

Like at all, Jerry?

Like, they're, I mean, they're...

let me tell you let me tell you something about the new york mentality

okay

we're always scared of opponents

we come out fighting

we're in a corner we're hungry

we're gonna fight you up until the last thought

Yeah, look at you, Hank.

You cowardly

look at him,

Jalen.

It's a cute puppy.

Yeah, Jalen's.

How old is Jalen?

Jalen's only two months old.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

I know.

My wife is always on next door, and it's usually like

there's an unhoused person or

there's meth dealing going on here.

We saw some puppies on next door.

Say hi to Jalen, Hank.

It's a cute puppy.

Hank hates dogs.

Hank, come on.

The question can go back to you, though.

Is this a must-win or is it a can't lose for the Celtics?

Can't lose.

Can't lose?

So you're not must-winning it.

Going down 3-0.

To me, you can't go down 3-0.

Which is why we can't lose it.

It's a must-win.

No, if we lose, the series is over.

Really?

Actually, no.

I think we could still come back from 3-0.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

So, Jerry, so you're going to be at the bar.

I don't think Boston's ever done that against New York.

We're going to have at least six games here, right?

At bare minimum.

Yep.

You might have to come and stream a game with us.

Yeah, I would love it.

Listen, I'm not working.

I'm just doing like

tours.

My wife is doing that X-Men movie, so I got time.

Yeah.

Jerry Hick isn't a dog guy.

Are you a cat guy, Carl Anthony Towns?

Jerry, can I ask a question, not about basketball?

Because there was news yesterday that

I don't know why it was reported, but your wife is not going to be nude in the new movie.

Where was that report?

What?

I got tagged in a bunch of tweets that just said Rebecca Romaine will not appear nude in Avengers.

I mean, like, are you talking like bull?

I don't know.

I got tagged out of respect.

I didn't, I, my brain went to quote tweeting being like, fuck you, Jerry, you did this, but I didn't.

And I, out of respect, I just ignored it.

I'm going to be honest with you, there's so much secrecy around those Marvel movies.

My wife didn't even tell me that my wife was going to be in that movie.

I found out through you guys congratulating me.

And I was like, Are you in the next X-Men movie?

My wife was like, Yeah, I didn't want to tell you.

It's like privileged info.

Let me just double-check this news here.

Rebecca Romaine nude.

Yeah.

I got to autocomplete on that.

I don't see anything in the actual.

Sorry, Jared.

I don't see anything in the actual news about it.

I guess

I'll think it's a story.

Okay, maybe ask her about it, though.

Tell her we say hi.

Yeah.

Tell her we say hi.

And tell her, I mean, listen, you're living your life right now.

You're bing-bonging Hank to death.

He's

he is.

I was walking the streets yesterday, and everyone was like,

Is that the broke back hat?

Is that Hanky's broke back hat?

We're all touching it.

You should have never given this to me, Hanky.

Ever.

Bing bong, bing bong.

I can't quit you.

Yeah.

I can't quit you.

Yeah.

Hank.

Hank.

Hank.

Oh, I get it.

Broke back mountain.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you finally get it.

You finally get it.

You're finally getting this?

You're finally getting it?

You're finally getting it?

Come on,

Hank, fight back.

I got no.

I got fight like a man.

I can't wait to shut up fucking Jerry and his stupid pint 33 bar, Shalamay, Stiller, Tracy Morgan, Acton Bronson.

The garden's going to be rocking.

Oh, Acton Bronson.

Action Bronson.

By the way, you want to know what the funniest is?

And we're going to smoke him.

Pick the worst week to go on vacation.

He keeps trying to insert himself on X.

Oh, it's the biggest force.

Not even you can admit that.

We can agree on that, Jerry.

Yeah, there you go.

I've never seen someone try harder and fall flatter on their face.

Yeah.

Hey, Jerry, can you give Hank a little for old time's sake?

Want to see a dead body?

We're not dead, though.

That's the thing.

What's going on?

What?

Somebody, somebody will throw up.

Yeah, he's saying a bing bong.

Say bing bong.

Bing bong.

It's a cute dog.

It's adorable.

It's a very cute dog.

It's such a cute dog.

Oh, Hanky.

If the Knicks win game three, Saturday, 12:30 Pacific time, 3:30 Eastern time.

You want to go see a dead body?

All right.

I also got to say, because I was just

in the lab going through the PMTV, us golfing with Jerry, and Jerry was a delight in it.

So it's tough to really...

He's tough to hate, but I do hate him.

Yeah.

He's the absolute best.

Just admit you were yelling in my ear.

Like, just, just, just, just admit you were were yelling in my ear.

I got to go, guys.

All right, Jerry.

All right, Jerry.

Good luck with the car.

Thank you so much, Jerry.

You're the best.

Hank?

Yeah.

Jerry?

Just ringing in your head.

Yeah, listen.

Hank's trying to do the math on how he can figure out how to come up on top of this situation.

I don't think that's...

You're down 2-0.

It sucks.

And I don't really care.

People hate me, and everyone loves Jerry.

I can't fucking stand him when he does that.

But

it is what it is.

There's really, he deserves to gloat.

I do think the Celtics are going to win this series easily.

Easily.

Easily.

What does it easily mean?

Easily already out.

What does it easily mean?

You can't beat it.

4-2 is 4-2.

When you're looking back on the history books, 4-2

is pretty easy.

That's easily?

Is that a whopping?

We've put ourselves in a spot where, again, the one thing that is good to know is that we're the better team, and Missoula loves these spots.

Like, he trains this team all season long to be in these spots where your back's up against the wall.

There's no room for error.

Unfortunately, there is no room for error.

They have to win.

They have to win game three.

If they lose game three, that sounds like a must-win to me.

Yeah.

Also,

like being in game three with a must-win means that it's not easy.

Yeah.

It can't be an easy one.

Well, it's not a must-win.

Hank already said you can't do both.

You can't lose.

Will you?

What's the lead that you'll feel good about at this point?

None?

40?

10 with a minute?

10 with a minute.

Yeah, but be careful.

Yeah.

Until next series, if it's the Pacers, then you can't.

It feels a lot also.

Oh, man.

I didn't realize Jason Tatum only had 13 points.

Yeah.

Like the 2020, 2023 Heat Series, too, where

those early games were games that the Celtics were winning, felt like they should have won, and then boom, it's 3-0.

And we still almost won that series, too, but you just can't.

We just got to win on Saturday.

You do make a good point, though, that this is Missoula's, like, this is where he loves to be.

He's like a pig in shit right now, where it's like, okay, now he really has to tap into that inner psycho that he's got because he loves to do things.

Like, when we talked to him about, like, his house, he's got a nice house.

He was like, I kind of wanted to destroy part of it with a sledgehammer so that I could feel like grittier and more inspired.

This does feel like, obviously, he'd rather be up to nothing than down to nothing.

But we're going to see some wild boy shit out of Missoula.

Yeah.

Also, shout out Mitchell Robinson.

Even though that one free throw was one of the worst free throws of all time.

It was so funny.

His rebounding in defense was enormous.

I think he was the only guy that was plus on their team.

Yeah,

there was a campaign in Miles McBride where Deuce McBride, but he was plus 19.

Yeah, and it wasn't, does it make you a little even more nervous knowing that that wasn't even a crazy Jalen Brunson game?

It was like Josh Hart and

Mikhail Bridges in the fourth quarter.

He didn't hit a shot until the fourth quarter, but he

had 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Like, they like you can say the Celtics didn't make their threes again.

The Knicks just won a game in Boston with Jalen Brunson only scoring 17 points.

Yeah, but

he had the clutch points.

That's why he was a clutch player of the year.

He had, he kind of, you know.

Scored when they needed them to score in the fourth quarter, and then their role players stepped up.

And Kat was good, too.

He hit like three very clutch shots.

Yeah.

Cat was really good.

Cat was a beast on the boards.

I think if you rank these, all right, let's finish with this.

Rank the worrisome that you have with these three guys: Chris Dopps.

I'll give you all three.

Chris Dopps, Jalen Brown, because it's Chris Stopps,

whatever disease he has.

He's number one.

Jalen Brown's knee, and Jason Tatum just not having aura and wrist, no worries.

Jason Tatum's wrist.

I would go Chris Tops one,

pretty significant gap.

Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown.

Okay, so Jason Tattoo.

Jalen Brown last night.

Yeah.

What about Derrick White?

Derrick White, I have the utmost confidence in.

They just have to hit shots.

That's the thing.

There's nothing.

We all just have to hit shots.

We're getting open shots.

We don't even have to get better shots and hit them.

We just have to.

What about go to the rim?

They did go to the rim more last night.

They did.

They took less threes.

And that Jason Tatum shot, though, though, was so crazy.

Yeah, and they just.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I feel good.

You feel good.

Hey, question.

Yes.

So you said earlier in this interview that.

It's not an interview.

No, we're interviewing you.

Yeah, we're interviewing you.

It's a post-interview interview because Jerry O'Connell, we just interviewed him, and now we're interviewing you, getting your reaction to it.

Earlier in this interview, you stated that the Celtics were the better team.

Losing two games in a row,

in fact, the only two games in this series, how do you justify that statement?

How do you square that?

Well, PFT, so the NBA does this thing called a regular season, where there's a much bigger

sample size of games.

And that's more important than the postseason.

No, but

to answer your question of how did I come to the conclusion that the Celtics are the better team, they have led more in this series.

They had more regular season wins.

So therefore, they are the better team.

Just because they lost a couple of games does not change that.

And I believe that Vegas, Las Vegas, and DraftKings Sportsbook, all the people that decide who is favored in these games in these series agree with me.

Well, no, because I think the Knicks are favored to win this series now.

I don't think so.

They were early this morning, but I think that flipped back.

I think now it's the Celtics.

Celtics are minus 120.

At one point, the Knicks were minus 125.

Celtics are minus 120 on DraftKings.

Knicks are plus 100.

Okay, so it's flipped.

Point me.

Well, that's also the people flipped it.

They released it as Knicks favored.

So the people agree with me.

Yeah, the people, but that's not Vegas agreeing.

Vegas just reacts to the people agreeing.

I'm looking at it.

Yeah, no, but they released it as Knicks minus 125.

Like I've said for the last like three, four months, this Knicks team is built to beat the Celtics.

I'm so happy you bailed on the Knights.

I know I bailed on it so early.

So early.

I think it was one game after I put the future.

I'm like, fuck this.

There's no chance in hell the Knicks beat the Celtics.

Oh, man.

You're fine, Hank.

Yeah.

You're fine.

Where are you going to be watching game game three?

I'll be in situate so probably my parents basement.

Okay.

Maybe TK's.

Okay.

Okay.

So you're fine.

Yeah,

we're okay.

Wait, are you fine?

Are you worried?

Are you not worried?

You're all over the place.

Yeah, you're giving us the body language and your face.

Pressure is a privilege.

Pressure is a privilege.

And Brooks always, as Brooks said, is like when you're worried, that just means

there's pressure and pressure is a good thing.

So I'm happy to feel the pressure, but I do feel it.

I do feel it.

It is.

Jerry also did bring up a good point.

Like, what a week for Max to miss.

Because if the Celtics come back and win this series, he just didn't get to have any of the fun that you know he wants to.

And he's just trying to, he's trying to do it from afar.

And it's just like, oh, man.

Yeah, this is what he lives to do.

It's like the one time that he can really take a big shit right on Hank's head.

And he just can't do it.

And he can't too far away to shit.

Yeah.

The time is too far.

The shitting on Hank doesn't work when you're recording recording a video and posting it live and the time is noticeably different.

Yeah.

Like it's the middle of the day and you're already moved on to the nighttime.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Nuggets thunder.

The thunder now, they did what I think everyone expected the Cavs to do in game two and what the Celtics to do in game two.

Scheduled win.

They absolutely demolished.

So I actually, like, I've been very low on sleep because we were traveling Monday and, you know, kidneys or whatever.

So I, in the, at halftime, halftime I was like you know what I think I'm okay I think I'm gonna go to sleep and then I woke up at like one in the morning in like a nervous sweat being like what if the what if the nuggets had come back and won this game yeah they never really got that close they never I was happy with my decision and it was it was the 87 in the first half from the thunder yeah that's I think an NBA playoff record it was crazy they hit every single shot they shot uh 44% from three 56% from the field everyone scored I mean if you look at it I think they played all 15 guys like they were just emptying the bench, meaning like big minutes.

And the Thunder, yeah, this was their schedule.

Like, they won one in OKC.

Now you got to regroup, go back.

I still think it's going to be a very good series, but this was the Thunder we all expected as the one seed, as a 68-team win.

They flexed their muscles, and they're like, yeah, we actually are still these guys.

Did you see what TNT did on the broadcast last night?

No.

So this was in the second half.

Before the game was over, they changed the graphic to to 1-1 like the graphic that's on the screen that says what the score of the series is overall um not like you know cutting away to a graphic and being like okay series tied 1-1 going back on screen before the game i think there were about two or three minutes left in the game which is crazy to do right but at this point like nobody can even argue with that right if they had done that up you know 10 points even 20 points with three minutes left you're like what the fuck but the game was like i think a 40-point lead at that point they're like okay we've we've literally never done this but if there's a time to do it, it's now.

Yeah, because you put it up there.

I mean, I had it in the back of my head where I was like, I'm going to go to sleep, but this is knowing how these playoffs have gone, this could be a huge mistake.

Yeah.

But yeah, it was never

close.

I was safe.

I needed to sleep too, so it felt good.

But I did.

It was my content brain woke me up out of a dead sleep at 1 a.m.

And I was like, because I think my last tweet was literally at halftime being like, scheduled loss for the Nuggets.

This is what I expected out of the other one seeds and two seeds.

So if you're the Nugget, I would be not feeling, I'd be feeling as bad about a 1-1 series tie as possible after this game.

Yeah.

The way that it went.

Yeah, because

the Thunder game one,

as much as it was an

insane comeback for the Nuggets, it really, I felt like more of a choke for the Thunder and the way they managed the timeouts and the fouls and all that stuff and missing free throws.

So, yeah, I'd agree.

I think that the Nuggets got to be a little scared going back.

I think the Thunder is up in the series one-to-one.

Yes, I'd agree.

Hank, you agree?

You're still just trying to get your confidence.

Yeah, Hank still has

Hank.

Do something that brings you joy today.

Like,

go play some golf.

Can't.

Why not?

I'm traveling.

Were you shocked by Jerry being back on?

No, I knew it was gonna be.

But you said at the time, you're like, oh, we're doing this again.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's 86 meds or up to nothing.

He's been waiting for this moment for over a year.

Or he was bing-bonging you when it wasn't even the Knicks.

I know.

I hate

what?

What else said?

What is it, Hank?

I hate it, but whatever.

It is what it is.

You don't want to be the guy that's just hating on the thing that everyone else loves, but I hate it.

You hate Jerry.

What you're trying to say is you hate Jerry O'Connell.

I'm hearing Jerry O'Connell.

When we were hanging out at the Becke Al off-camera, great, when we were golfing, great.

His man in the arena.

That's not a shtick.

He's bing-bonging.

I hate it.

He's bing-bonging.

Just deal with it, Hank.

You're up.

Listen, if you were up to nothing, then you wouldn't think anything.

I would not be doing that.

I would not be gloating in his face, screaming in his ear.

That is true.

Yeah.

But you're also not Mr.

Bing-Bong.

Right.

And you also.

He's not Mr.

Bing-Bong.

He is.

We know who.

Yeah.

The real Bing-Bong guy was like, I want to meet, shout out him.

He wants to meet Jerry O'Connell.

I was like, I'll try to get that set up.

He said that?

Yeah, he DM'd me today.

He was just like, I love this.

I love Jerry and his bing-bong.

That's probably like a long con to serve him.

There was a no, he just said he hit me up.

He just said, bro, I got to meet this guy from Barcelona who loves bingbong.

Guy cracks me up.

That's from Bing Bong Guy himself.

And he's way more of Mr.

Bing Bong than you are.

No shit.

Jerry is.

I'm not a bit stealer.

So,

yeah,

let's go, Hank.

Yeah.

That's a fight.

I want you to have this fight, Hank.

T, Hank.

Oh,

Hank.

The Celtics are a scrappy little team.

Kevin Harlan literally said that.

Yeah.

This is the game.

The Celtics are so scrappy.

They are scrappy.

Like, good for them.

They competed hard.

They almost won both those games.

Listen, we're going to be fine.

By the time we're talking on Tuesday, I'll be big world.

I know a little bit of joy in your eye.

We're not doing a show on Sunday night?

Well, that'll just be.

That'll be halfway there.

I saw a little glint of joy in your eye because Jerry's been bringing up all the old New York stuff when you thought about the Red Sox Yankees.

Yeah, I did.

Now you've got.

I'm not going to get to that point, but

I did file that away.

You like perked up a little bit of another game.

I almost hope they go down 0-3 so they can come back.

I feel like this is a seven-game series.

Yeah, probably.

I mean, I do think the Celtics will make shots eventually.

I just, yeah, I don't.

Maybe they won't, though, PFT.

But if they don't, that would be crazy.

What if they just don't?

What if they literally just don't make shots?

They will.

But what if they don't?

They will.

Okay, so who's the most important player on Saturday?

Jason Tatum.

Yeah.

Yeah.

By the way,

the Porjegas thing is also crazy.

Yes.

So, yeah, walk me through what's going on.

He sat out like a handful of games in March with an illness undisclosed.

And then he sat out a couple games last playoffs and was out

for most of game one with the same illness.

But it's not disclosed, and it's like there's such a big gap between the two.

How, like, what could it be that it's still lingering and why won't they disclose it?

It's very strange and worrisome.

Are there rumors?

No HIPAA.

No HIPAA violations.

I've heard rumors, but I'm not going to do HIPAA.

Yeah, me neither.

Have you heard rumors?

No.

I've heard rumors, but I'm not going to do HIPAA.

Okay.

Do you want to bleep out the rumor I heard?

Yeah, bleep it out.

Okay.

I, yeah, I've heard that as well.

That's the rumor that I've heard.

Not good.

No.

Because I don't know how you fix that.

Yeah, and it might be like a stamina or like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He just doesn't have the juice.

I don't know.

I don't know, man.

I don't know, man.

Okay.

By the way,

we already knew it, but Juan didn't put on the shirt, and now he's flexing about how he's undefeated in the shirt that he did wear.

I hate this guy.

Fuck this guy.

I really hate this guy.

Again, I don't like the dark t-shirt.

I think they're going to switch it up, though.

I think next game five is going to definitely be something different.

I think it was probably too late to switch it up after game one

into game two.

They probably had the t-shirt designer.

Like they had, you got to order that shit well in advance.

But if you really want that, and also they did win by like 400 points.

Yeah.

But just from a visual, from an aesthetic, I think the ratings would have been higher if they were wearing brightly colored shirts in the second half.

I agree.

I'd agree.

Yeah, you would have, you would have to be sorry.

I would have been so wired that I couldn't have gone to sleep.

Yep.

Isn't it like the best feeling, though, when you nail, I'm going to go to sleep early?

Yes.

You make the decision of like, I do need sleep, but most of the time I'm like, I'm staying through it.

But I was like, you know what?

This game is over.

Yeah.

And I had a great feeling.

I didn't miss it.

And there's no worse feeling than the option.

The worst.

I went to bed the other week and I was like, well, this episode of Last of Us is going to be exactly like the other three beforehand.

That was a nightmare to wake up from.

Yeah.

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Here he is, Gilbert Arenas.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest.

It is Gilbert Arenas.

He is joining us.

He's got a new documentary out.

It is on Netflix, Untold Story Shooting Guards.

Gilbert, first of all, thank you for joining us.

We want to talk about the documentary.

We want to talk about the NBA playoffs, some of your career.

But before we do that,

we were going to have you on last week, I think it was two weeks ago.

And then your son obviously got in that car accident.

Is he doing okay?

Because that was obviously really, really scary, I'm sure, for you.

But I hope that he's doing a lot better.

Yeah, yeah, he's doing a lot better.

Yeah, I mean, it was a scary moment.

You know, it's, you know, teenage kids, when they get these

cars,

you know,

you kind of get worried about them sometimes.

You know, 4 a.m., what was it?

5.

It's about 5 a.m.

He's coming back from

working out before he went to school.

And

he said the car computer just malfunctioned.

And then

ran into a fire hydrogen tree.

Damn.

Scary.

Damn.

So, and he's playing ball at USC next year, right?

Yeah, he's going to USC

next year.

And, you know, UCLA saved his life.

So that's going to be interesting, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, we're big Muscleman guys.

So he's been a friend of ours for a long time.

So he'll be in good hands.

So

the new documentary out on Netflix, like I said, Untold Stories shooting guards.

Let me ask you this.

How...

Like, this felt like this was a long time in the making.

It's obviously centered around you and Javaris Crinin and the incident in the locker room.

How do you feel like

it came out?

How like the story was told after you watched it?

Were you like, this is pretty accurate to what happened?

Or do you think they kind of missed some things?

When it comes to like in the making, it actually wasn't that long.

I really didn't care two shits about it.

And, you know, when I heard Javaris is coming out, because he was in and it was 23 years, it was like, ah, you know, I'm not going to tell a one-sided story.

You know, both parties need to be there.

So, you know, it was put on the back burner.

When it comes to the details of the story itself, the locker room, it was pretty accurate.

You know, that's why I was joking so much during the time it happened.

Like,

it was a typical day.

I mean, you know, I know the guns, but.

It was a typical day in the locker room, a wizard's locker room.

But I was intrigued on, you know,

what happened to him after.

Because, you know, sometimes when, you know, situations like that happen, you go down two paths, right?

You can, you know, hide from the world or you can be, you know, Superman.

Yeah.

And you guys, at the end of the documentary, it showed that you guys are still in touch to this day.

Did you reach back out to him when he got out of prison?

Or have you guys been in touch over the last couple of decades?

Is that something that you guys went your separate ways and then you decided to come back and say hey check in on them or is that more recent no i i mean even even after like you know this wasn't an enemy this is was one of the the closest guys on the team with me right every time we was on a road trip he'd come to my room order food right and we just chop it up and you know just talk about life and basketball and training um so you know he was the closest guy to me besides like nick young so you know our beef mostly came because i didn't like the way he was talking to our teammates right why we why he was losing money.

So that's really how it

started.

So like even right after,

once I realized, man, you know,

if we do, if the NBA do call us, I'll just take all the blame.

So, you know, they didn't use the text matches where I text them.

I think it was like December like 21st, 2009, like, yo, if the NBA comes in, just blame me.

You didn't have no gun.

I'll take full responsibility for this.

And then, you know, when his mom got,

I think she needed a surgery, you know, everybody kind of like turned it back on him.

I'm the one who helped pay for it.

So

I've been there, you know, the whole time.

You know,

we went probably like a year without talking because he was mad at me because something I probably text on Instagram joking around.

But I bought all of his cell phones that got him put in the hole.

right for the last you know eight years you know i was supplying him his uh cell phones.

So one of the more interesting parts of this documentary, and I was a fan of these Wizards teams, so I remember watching it, how fun you were.

You guys were kind of out of control sometimes, but it was a fun team to watch.

There was no mention of Deshaun Stevenson in the documentary, and

I feel like

his playoff battles against LeBron, where he would just openly antagonize LeBron going into the games, that was so fun.

I know that you guys had some rivalries, some bets.

I know you competed in a three-point three-point shootout against Deshaun, right?

And what were the rules of that?

And how much money was on the line?

The rules were

I will shoot one hit.

It wasn't even a rule.

It was just one of those things that.

So it started with

Roger Mason.

So for some reason, they had this idea that Roger Mason was a better

college, high school three-point shooter than me because they felt that, oh, you you only shoot threes, or today's basketball, threes in layups.

Right.

So I said, what are you talking about?

I bet 20 grand I will beat him.

I'll blow him out.

Right.

So we was in Boston, went to a gym, beat him.

And then while I was bragging, Deshaun Stevenson started, you know, talking.

So I said, bro, I'll beat you with one hand.

I'll bet you 20 that.

And then, you know, other people took that bet on his side, which was weird.

So we bet 20 and I beat him with the one hand.

I didn't take the money, though.

Yeah, I think the stat line that came out of that, you went 73 for 100 from three flat-footed with one hand.

76, 76, it was three.

Jesus.

Yeah.

And then

you ran it back against Nick Young, and you brought 100 grand in cash in a duffel bag to the gym, right?

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

That was a few years later.

I was here in Los Angeles.

Yeah.

He didn't show up.

I think I went 90, I probably went 95, 96 from three.

Jesus.

So that's like whenever the debate comes out about like an NFL players playing in the NBA, NBA players playing in the NFL, obviously everyone has their side.

But I do think that like the regular world doesn't understand just how good NBA players are at shooting like in an open gym, you guys just don't miss.

Like would you just, when you were practicing, would you just go 100 in a row, like not even thinking about it?

Because if you've ever seen it, even the guy on the end of the bench can just make every shot when they're in an open gym.

Yeah, when you're in an open gym, it's it's literally everyone, everyone is a great shooter.

Yeah.

You know, it's, it's, it's practice shooting.

There's, you're in your own comfortable environment.

You probably got earphones on, right?

The gym is smaller, so it's not, um, it's not this wide open space.

What happens is some people can't translate.

the crowd, the atmosphere, the bigger arena.

They don't know how to gauge the distance.

And, you know, as much as I shot in a practice gym, I shot in the NBA gym also.

So like night before games, I'll have them put the floor down and one rim up and I'll sit there and shoot thousands of shots.

Yeah.

Do you think about like the way the NBA and basketball, both college and NBA have gone?

Do you feel like, man,

I missed my era a little bit?

Because it is just threes and layups.

A lot of these teams are doing the analytical thing where, I know you shot a lot of threes during your career, but I bet you if you were playing in the NBA right now, the coach would tell you to shoot even more threes.

Yeah, you know, listen,

I love this generation.

I love the era.

The star players are doing what star players do, right?

The Yokish, the Shays, the Brunsons, right?

The star players have a, they just have a different game.

What analytics has done has taken players that shouldn't touch the ball,

right?

That shouldn't shoot the ball, this freedom of shot.

Right.

Right.

Where you have your fourth or fifth best player on the court allowed to shoot four or five threes, right?

You're like, we have to get this total of 50 threes.

And then you start looking around like, okay,

if I'm Tatum, okay, I got eight of them.

Brown, you got eight.

Hey, coach, we need about 40 something more.

Where are we going to get them from?

Right.

And then like Derek White raising his hand.

Like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Hold on, guy.

You got paid for defense, play defense, right?

You're not going to be chucking 10 threes up.

And that's what ended up happening in this new analytic where they're trying to feel

all these three-point quotas.

And you guys are not three-point shooters.

Right, right.

So, so speaking of that series, and I know you watch ball every night,

it's stunning that the Knicks are up 2-0 in this series.

you like?

What do you take from those first two games?

Because, like, part of me says, like, oh, the Celtics are going to eventually make some threes, but also, it does feel like the game gets close late, and Jalen Brunson is that type of dog.

And, like, almost like the Knicks are in their comfort zone when they're behind, and they come back and they put the pressure on the Celtics.

The Celtics have completely

pissed down their leg late in these games.

It's crazy to watch.

Yeah, every time I've watched them lose, it's the same motto.

They're going 10 for 60, 60, 15 for 45.

It's not very great shooting percentage from the three-point line.

It's like these guys are living and dying by a three-pointer.

Yeah, you're going to go up 20, but you get caught easily, right?

It's not like you're, you know, you're going up by 20 and then now beating them to the basket and getting this free throw.

Like it's threes or layups.

And right now they're just living on threes.

And I said it last year.

I said that Kitty's heels is if they have these horrible shooting nights from the three-point line they don't actually take enough twos right to you know to to to cushion that and you play you know i argued if you play a team like yannis yannis plays old school basketball he's going to get you in foul trouble he's trying to make layups he's going to they're going to beat you right you play against brunson Brunson plays old school basketball.

He's going to layups mid-ranges, try to get you in foul trouble.

He's a foul baiter.

And in last five minutes, he's the closest thing we have to mamba mentality.

The real mamba mentality.

Like, you know, from 96 to before he passed, not after he passed and it became, you know, a watered down version of what Mamba mentality was.

The mamba mentality, the selfish thing no one liked, that killer mentality that wants to take over the world.

That's what Brunson has in the last five minutes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's been crazy watching this series, and I don't know what the Celtics are going to do to adjust because it seems like they've just tried to shoot their way out of having bad shooting nights.

And maybe, maybe something happens when they go to a different arena.

I don't know, but the old saying is like the role players play better at home, but the Knicks role players have been playing pretty good on the road right now.

So, I don't know if you were coaching the Celtics, do you just say, listen, we got to stick with what got us all these wins, with what got us a championship last year, or do we need to tweak something because what we're doing right now, it's not working.

Last year is last year, and you know, we have a new year playing against a new enemy, and this enemy

has came back twice while we were up 20.

Yeah, we're up 20, but we're losing at the end.

So we're doing something wrong.

Me personally, as a coach, I've watched us lose and how we've lost.

And

for some reason, you guys don't realize that we've missed five or six threes in a row.

One of you guys, go make a layup.

Right.

At the beginning of the game, first person to shoot a fucking three out.

I'm subbing you out.

I don't care who it is at this point because

I need to reverse engineer what they're doing.

Because obviously, they're closing out on a three.

They're playing for the three.

Jason Tatum, they Knicks went up.

Jason Tatum literally inbound the ball, got it back in full court layup.

Yeah.

Like, that's how easy it's been.

You just go to the basket.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You remember, you remember the hardest team

that

that people don't,

no one really paid attention to was the second year or LeBron's first championship with Miami.

When him and D-Wade said, yo, we're not shooting threes this year.

Yeah.

And did you see how hard they were guard?

Because when LeBron drove, D-Wade dived, they was doing this double lob type of play, and nobody was ready for two guys with 40-inch verticals slashing and dunking.

That team was really hard to guard.

And

that was the best LeBron.

And, you know, they put it in their minds, we're not going to be sitting here chucking threes and bailing the other team out.

Like, you guys are, you guys, Jalen.

and Tatum is the most athletic dudes on the court, and you're doing sidestep threes at 6'9 and 6'10.

Yeah.

That's ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I thought like the craziest possession in the whole game was when the Knicks were coming back, and there was that possession where Horford was under the basket and Brunson had fallen down.

And Tatum had the ball in the corner, shooting a three with like three minutes left.

All they got to do is get a bucket to stop the Knicks.

And he takes the three.

And yes, it's a wide open three.

But he also had a wide open out Horford standing under the hoop.

And it's like, just get the bucket.

Just get two points or get fouled just to stop what the Knicks are doing.

Yeah, I just don't understand who's doing the math on the analytics.

Like, who is actually math in the analytics?

You're shooting 63s,

you have 105 points.

Yeah.

I don't know how that's mathing for you guys, but that is horrible.

Yeah.

And now, obviously, you know, game three could happen and the Celtics could shoot 50% from three and win by 30.

And we'd look stupid, but that's you kind of, you're playing on the razor's edge where it's like, if you get cold for a few games you're out yeah yeah i mean you're

one of those games you're right they're gonna shoot 45 to 50 something percent from the three-point line they're gonna win by 30.

in a seven-game series that's a one-gamer yeah yeah uh one gamer and a one-halfer yeah and you better hope it happens in the second half not the first half yeah like it's been doing yeah uh what about so we talked about it the pacers have been incredible uh in these playoffs they're up 2-0 on the calves the thing that strikes me is like similar to the Knicks, where in these fourth quarters, two out of the last three games, they've come back from seven down under a minute.

Is it as simple as like they are better conditions than the teams they're playing, and it feels like they still have gas in the tank at the end of games, whereas the opponent just kind of runs out of gas?

And it's like, maybe it's because they play at such a high pace, but it does feel like when they get to the fourth quarter, the other team's got hands on hips and hands on knees, and they're just still running and going right at you.

I mean, when you're talking about the Pacers, the Pacers is no different than like the Phoenix Suns was, right?

Their style is running and trying to run you out of building.

New Jersey Nets 01, 02, or 2000, 2001, when Jason Kidd got there, right?

They're conditioned, but when you're talking about like somebody like Donovan Mitchell, he's conditioned to do what he does.

What happens with some of these comebacks?

And when you're talking about Indiana versus Cleveland, when you have this free-for-all, everyone gets to touch and shoot the ball.

The last five minutes is your stars game,

right?

The first 43 is team play,

right?

The Bulls, we got to try and go last five minutes is Michael Jordan, right?

We've watched it.

If you look at how the game is being played now, Cleveland Cavaliers, last five minutes, team basketball.

Everyone gets to touch it.

We all did, you know, this is a team project

and what happens is some of those guys who are not built for the moment don't realize score time and possession everyone's not smart everyone's not the fucking quarterback on the field you you do got some dumb bots out there that that's playing and they will they've done missed 0 for 4 they don't know time and possession they don't realize there's a 13-0 run and he wants to shoot a three because he's open you're open for a reason right because they know you're you're dumb enough to shoot that shot and they usually do for the most part Now, when you look at the Knicks, there's only one person getting the ball last five minutes.

And he's going to dictate every possession.

Same with Indiana.

Tyrese is going to dictate every possession.

Now, Cleveland, Garland being out kind of hurts them because now Donovan has to play the point and the shooting guard when he's just better at being the shooting guard.

and let Garland actually figure out the great plays that he needs to make when you you don't score.

Yeah, so how would you work that out?

I assume that you've played on some teams where somebody else thought that they were the man at the end of the game.

And I know that you probably always knew that you were the man at the end of the game that was going to need the ball.

When it comes to somebody that thinks that they're the guy, but they're not, how would you go about letting him know, hey, fuck you, I'm the man.

Give me the ball.

Stop taking those shots.

That's usually already established in practice, training camp, you know, one-on-ones, after after practice, right?

We've done already established who gets the ball at the end of the game.

The only person that can offset that is the coach,

right?

When coach in analytics say, hey, everybody gets the touch.

We're all equal here.

This is a team sport.

That's the only thing that...

uh goes into play when you're talking about who takes these last shots but

like brunson he didn't just just get the New York and everybody was like, hey, you take all the last shots.

No, he's earned that through battling them every day in practice, them in training camp and hitting big shots throughout the beginning of the season.

And he's like, yeah, that's the guy right there.

Yeah.

So looking out West, I got to bring up an old take of yours.

You said Jokic was the worst MVP to ever win the award.

If SGA wins it this year, is he worse than Jokic was?

Or how does that work out?

Who would then be the number one worst?

Okay, it was more clickbaitish, right?

I'm very good at wordplay.

So I said he will be the worst.

So if he wins the next one, he'll be the worst three-time MVP in the last 40 years, right?

Because it was like, so I looked at the, so basically when I said it, and you say Jokic, MVP, and worse, everybody forgets anything else you're saying, right?

They're already offended.

So I added three.

So there's only five people that's three-time MVPs.

Those five were in that timeframe as Magic, Bird, Jordan, LeBron, and Jokic.

At that time, he's going to rank fifth.

Right.

Instead of saying five, I say worse.

Right.

Right.

It just sounds better for headlines.

Right.

That's smart.

That was, you know, more of a just, you know, trying to corral it.

Yeah.

What if he becomes the worst four-time MVP?

I don't think anybody's been the worst three-time and the worst four-time MVP.

Four-time?

I mean...

That's LeBron and Wilt.

LeBron, Wilt.

I think...

MJ.

MJ.

I'd say MJ.

Yeah.

LeBron, Wilt.

But in my timeframe, yes, he would be the worst because it'd be like LeBron, MJ, and

Kareem, and Kareem.

So what does he have?

So I guess

is Jokic better than Bill Russell?

Yeah.

Okay, so Jokic has to win five MVPs then.

I mean, okay.

Because then

he wouldn't be the worst five-time MVP because I think five and up is just Jordan, Bill Russell, and Kareem.

Yeah, you know, it's just depending on your time frame.

He would be the second worst five-time MVP.

If you use all of NBA if you narrow it down, it depends on how you want to do it these days.

So

if he wins five, he'd be not the worst five-time MVP.

If he wins six, he'd be back to the worst because you'd have Kareem over him.

And then if he wins seven, he'd be stay the worst.

He'd be the best and worst seven-time MVP.

Like when you're you're talking about MVP and when you're talking about like these debates, right?

For some reason, everybody wants to use the team award first.

You want to use

championships when it's actually the opposite.

When you're talking about someone's personal legacy, it goes off of how dominant was he individually.

And then team stuff is later on.

So when you do a point system on, if you look at the top 10, you will realize them championships is irrelevant when it comes to your individual awards.

Scotty Pippen has six, right?

Yeah.

There's guys who don't have rings in front of him on the all-time list.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You got Carl Malone in front of him.

You got John Stockton.

You got people who don't even have one in front of them because his six is not valued like Michael Jordan's six.

But if you take away Michael Jordan's rings, he has 10 scoring titles.

He has six MVPs.

He has defensive war.

Those, it shows his personal dominance.

Yokish personal dominance.

When he's done,

you have to argue

he's top one, two best centers ever.

The only person who you remove rings,

the only person who is going to be standing tall over him is Kareem.

Yeah.

What about Shaq?

Because you could always say, like, Shaq is, Shaq is maybe the most dominant.

Yeah.

And when you use the word dominant,

you got to say, like, what kind of dominant are we talking about already?

Talking about breaking rim, dominant, and just brute force dominant.

And we're scared of you, dominant, or just sheer, I'm out here just manipulating the game, taking over dominance, right?

When you hear Shaq say dominance, I'm like, yeah, because I know how that looks, right?

You breaking rims, pushing people down, right?

You know, there has to be a 40-minute timeout because they got to get a new rim in from Best Buy.

I get that, right?

But what Jokic is doing and how he dominates is dominant also.

Yeah, I think he's the one guy that with that the ring conversation is fair.

It's it's like

the the team that he has around him, and don't get me wrong, I don't think that the Nuggets have a bad team around him, but he doesn't have like a genuine top-tier superstar.

I think the stat was, he's never played with an all-star on the Nuggets, right?

Yeah.

So, but when he wins, when he's able to take his team to a championship, he's literally making everybody on that floor, you know, two times better than what they could be.

And he's the main reason why they get that rank.

So, with him, I actually do think it's fair to be like, yeah, he won a championship over some of these other great teams.

Like, yeah, him, him winning a championship and Giannis winning the championship with the teams they had.

I mean, it is like, wow, that's

you, you guys are

are way better than

you know you get credit for like we've watched denver we see we like okay murray you you should have won an all-star you should have made an all-star like you're that you're that player just for some reason voters went against you so you are that guy the rest yeah

Yeah,

you know, I don't know if Michael Porter Jr., I don't know how many teams he will start on.

Christian Brown, I don't know how many other teams you actually start on.

um i'm pretty sure gordon can get away with you know he can beat another four man out depending on what team he's on to start so you know three of their starters you're like

russ

russ triple double guy and bp i mean you know the the russ that we we we love to hate

at this point you're like you know what I don't know what Russ I'm going to get today, but we're going to watch and just do one of these and, you know, see how it works out for us.

But, you know, Russell's one of those guys where I know Jokic is going to love him and I know the coach is going to love him because he does something you just can't teach, and that's just go hard.

Right.

Yeah.

All the time.

All the time.

Go hard.

Just, hey, go hard.

And you're like, all right, I can do, I can do that.

Yeah.

And that's what he does all the time.

You mentioned clickbait.

Do you have anything to say for getting got on the fake Charles Barkley quote, which was very funny?

You were dressed as a clown on your podcast, and then you had a whole discussion about Charles.

The fake quote was basically: Charles Barkley said, if LeBron and the Lakers lose this series against Minnesota, I don't want to hear about LeBron being a top five all-time player.

He never said that.

Oh, he did it?

No.

I'm pretty sure.

You sounded Charles Barklish?

I don't think so.

Which, by the way,

we live on the internet.

We get got all the time.

It's just part of the game.

So,

yeah, wait, you didn't know that that was, I don't think that was a real quote.

No, I didn't know.

I mean, but it's still Charles Barkley.

So yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

It's a I'll jump out the window again.

Yeah, you went in on him.

You said, what were you doing when you were 40?

You were fat in Houston complaining about trying to get on the treadmill and stuff.

No, I'm just going off of that's real, though.

That's what happened, right?

Like I was a big Charles Barkley fan.

I was the guy that wore the Suns.

You know, back then we, you know, in the black community, you know, we used to put words and, you know,

logos in our head for some reason and i had phoenix sons where i can go back and forth up and down and it still spells sons so i was a big barkley fan so i remember his career yeah so listening to him now talking about you know you know going at kevin durant you're not a leader and then oh you guys are just quitting and you guys are not out of shape and you guys don't play defense i'm like wait a minute

do you not remember who you were when you played you're talking talking as if you're not Charles Barkley.

I'm not a role mod.

Like, what are we doing here?

So I always like nick pick at some of the things he says because it doesn't match who he was.

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Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, the quote, I'm looking at it right now.

It looks like it came from Goatman23 at Goatman23.

Sorcerer's quote skill.

So I mean, everything that you said was in theory true about Charles Barkley.

It was just Goatman 23 started the conversation.

Yeah, he started the war there.

Ah, they got me.

But because it's Charles, I can't take it.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's one of those situations where you got got, but you're also like, it totally could be true.

Yeah.

Look, this, this is my thing.

I'm, I'm a LeBron fan, but I'm a LeBron fan because of the greatness that I see.

Like, like, I, like, Michael Jordan, uh, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Magic Burke.

I love just pure greatness it intrigues me right

so

when i see i've i've i was in the league when lebron came i know what they said i see what they said when they turned on him i've had to do scouting reports in the playoffs against this kid when he was a kid watching him now i'm like

yeah

He is that dude, has been that dude from the beginning.

Listening to the narratives that's been said said about a guy who, if I said, all right, name one year, one full year, he disappointed you as a fan, you're not going to be able to name one full year.

You can name a series, a couple games here and there, but when you're talking about, did he give you your money's worth?

You have to say yes for 22 years.

When you sit here compare his 20,

what is

20th year, 21st year, 22nd year

to a young kobe's career or michael jordan in his prime it's like wait a minute you didn't even you didn't even put michael jordan wizard years to michael jordan bulls years

you just let the wizard michael jordan just run around the league smoking cigars drinking before games having fun that's what 40 year old men did right we just happy to see a junk jordan out there running around giving people 20.

that is true That was amazing.

That's a valid point because Michael Jordan's Wizards Years,

it was like a sideshow.

We knew at the time this doesn't really count.

This isn't really Michael Jordan.

And if LeBron did the shit that Jordan did later on in his career, we would be making fun.

We wouldn't be glazing him like you are today.

Yeah.

Bozo's a glaze.

Is that what you called yourself?

Oh, I'm a glazer.

Oh, now, you know,

I'm a Laker Glazer.

And now I'm a Luca glazer.

Oh, you are?

Do you think he's out of shape?

No.

What?

What?

What?

33, 9 and 9.

Okay,

but do you think he's out of shape?

I'm not saying that Luca's not incredible.

I'm saying Luca could be in better shape.

In better shape, yes.

Okay.

But the notion of saying, okay, let's just try it this way.

Let's say you guarded him and he gave you 71.

Are you really going to just use the phrase, he's out of shape, and he just gave you 71?

No, he's going to be in the best shape of his life if he put those type of numbers on you.

When you're saying someone's out of shape and then you look at 37 and 7, it kind of makes the people who are in shape not look too good.

Like if you're Anthony Edwards and you're in shape and then the fat man over here led the series in scoring and assists, they don't know if I'm sitting here at the podium like, yeah.

Okay, okay, but counterpoint, I think Luca is, I love watching Luca play basketball.

I think he's a top five player.

He's so much fun.

He's so skilled offensively.

Do you not think that there's like, hey, man, you're 26.

You could probably get into the best shape of your life and take it to that next level where it's like, you are truly unstoppable now.

Yeah, he's in, okay, him, Jokic, right?

I even remember Carmelo.

He is in Luca shape, right?

Right.

He's in the shape that he knows that he's in.

That's just like a lot of NBA players, right?

You think what you're doing is, yeah, I'm in shape until you go to a team where someone does something more than you.

So in Dallas, what he did is all he knows, right?

There's never been, I've never seen anybody on that team that I said, okay, that's a different condition guy, right?

If he played with a Rip Hamilton, if he played with a Westbrook, now he's with a LeBron, right?

With a Steve Nash, guys who do that extra cardio, who really actually get to that top tier level of in shape.

He's never played with that guy to even know what that looks like.

And sometimes we can go our whole career and don't know there's these extra levels.

Unless you're in a locker room with Kobe, you don't know there's an extra level to working out.

Right.

Yeah, did you ever have a guy in one of your locker rooms where you're like, oh, shit, like, I know I'm the best player on the team, but he, what he's doing oh you were that guy forever

that guy okay

i i didn't come in as that guy right um you know

we have practice at 11 o'clock our team as a whole got there you know 10 45.

We had some players that got there at 11.45, right?

They had to golf first, right?

So they had to play their golf and then come to practice.

So that's what I was, you know, looking at.

And then, you know, Chris Mullen basically taught me how to work out, added that with Mark Jackson.

Then when I started hearing Kobe's stories of Kobe, when Luke Walton got there and he said, yo, if you think you work out, Cole, three times a day, this is how they do it on game day.

He's there at three o'clock.

I'm like, bullshit.

He's not there at three o'clock.

And I said, when we come to LA.

I'm going to go to the Staples Center and I'm going to be there at three o'clock to see if he's there.

Three o'clock, he was there.

And what I seen was incredible.

He was doing

elbow shots, 500 makes.

The intensity of it was insane, right?

Like he's doing a pump fake shot.

The trainer had to be like he had to jump and foul him and give him the contact.

Full.

Full playoff game seven mode before the game.

And when I seen it with my own eyes

it clicked in and that's why my game really improved because i witnessed something that i didn't see the first part of my first year in the nba and now i see like what the next level look like and i every trip we went to la i was at the gym at three o'clock to watch code yeah i also think the the lakers yellow doesn't really flatter Luca as much.

When you see him, it looks like a big punch.

I think it'd actually be funnier if he got fatter.

If Luca

real fat, and

he could still

give you 30 on offense.

That would be awesome watching escalate out there.

Yeah.

Just burying shots in your face.

Like, I think it's this fine balance.

The same thing with Jokic.

The weight helps them in their style of play, right?

They need the body with the contact, right?

They're very great reactors.

And sometimes they need to carry a little bit more weight.

Right.

To do a lot of things that they do, hold people off.

I looked at Luca's rookie year.

You know, that's going to be, you know what I mean?

That's going to be the skinniest version of him.

And I'm like,

yeah, we can use this one.

Yeah, yeah, this, this, this extra burst Luca that can actually dunk and he's a lot faster.

That is the Luca we need.

So, you know, if he's sitting at about, I can gauge it.

He's all of six, have you seen him in person?

I have, I've seen him in person in the fact that I've watched him like live, but I've never like been in the same room as him.

Yeah.

Like he's all of about six, nine and a half, right?

He's a big human being, and he's probably sitting at about 260.

If Luca can get down to about 230, 225,

I really believe he's going to be MVP next year.

Yeah, I'd agree.

By the way, you have, so we love on our podcast, we love dumb ideas.

You have dumb ideas too.

I saw one of the dumbest ideas that I kind of like, but I want you to explain it even more.

You had the idea of make it take it in the playoffs that you start the series, and if the home team wins, they just keep getting home court advantage as long as they keep winning.

Why this idea?

Like, it does seem the best ideas are the ones that like your knee-jerk reaction is that's stupid.

And then you think about it more and you're like, oh, shit, that would be kind of fun.

So, how did you come up with this idea?

Like, I'm thinking about like when you're talking about two games here, two games there, one, one, one.

You know, you're just, you know, looking at the back and forth.

And it's like, like, if we were playing just one-on-one and that's what a series is, is one versus one.

Why am I giving you the ball?

Like, you, you have to earn this, right?

So

I'm not giving up home court advantage until you beat me.

Right?

Like, take it from me, and then we can go down to your hometown and we got to take it back from you.

But, you know, obviously this is a business and it has to be, you know, we got to go to your building so your fan base can win some, you know, some, I guess, so you can pay your bills in a sense.

Right.

Right.

All right.

You just come straight to hoops.

I want to go to your hometown, bro.

Yeah.

I mean, I do.

It would be intriguing because like if you win game one on the road, it's like, all right, we're going back home right away.

Yes.

That's pretty sick.

How do you, what do you think about, I have a dumb idea.

I actually pitched this to Adam Silver.

I don't know if he's going to take it, but I have a dumb idea that every player should get one fight a fan a year where you can call out a fan and then they fight it in the middle of the court.

And like there's no laws.

Like if you beat the fuck out of the fan, you don't get arrested or anything.

That would stop fans from mouthing off all the time.

No.

It'll stop those fans from mouthing out.

Then you're going to have them MMA guys.

Yeah,

you get to decide.

You get like you see a cauliflower here.

You're not calling them out.

Exactly.

Now,

I kind of like the idea, but like I see someone like a Westbrook

really using it really early.

Yeah, I think would be probably mad that he didn't save it for that one fan.

You could use it in trades, though.

Like you could be like, hey, we're trading, we want to trade for Westbrook, but you also have to trade us a fight-a-fan fight so he gets an extra one.

Yeah, it's like an asset, like a draft pick.

Yeah, listen, we're thinking about signing Dre, so we're going to need, we're going to need a couple more fight-a-fans.

We're going to need your entire team's fight-a-fan if we're going to get Draymond.

Now, with the fan.

There's only a few guys that I can see really using it.

Um,

Isaiah Stewart.

Yeah.

Pretty sure he will use his

Draymond would use his in like the first quarter of the first game.

When you watch Draymond's antics, it's in real time.

Yeah.

There's like these real times, like he gets hit in the elbow and then now he wants to overfling, right?

I don't see how a fan gets under his skin.

He doesn't get easily moved by fans.

That's true.

Mostly just Westbrook at this point.

Maybe Dylan Brooks.

You might mix it up.

You know, probably.

It'll just be some random quiet guy that we don't know of, and he's just sitting there.

He's done hat enough, and he just points at you.

Yeah.

Mimi in the middle.

And you're like, oh, shh.

Yeah,

I wasn't like ready to fight.

Yeah.

I want to go back real quick to the Thunder and the Nuggets series.

So it's 1-1.

They're going back to Denver.

Is Denver, like, they get home.

Are they happy with how things went in Oklahoma City?

Because at the end of the day,

they flipped home court.

You know, they got the first game, but then they just got their ass kicked the second game.

So how do you think that team's feeling right now?

Are they confident?

Listen, there's,

I personally don't think they're confident because even game one,

you was getting built to ass, right?

You end up coming back, but

it wasn't.

It was a comeback, but it wasn't really.

You didn't play very well, right?

It looked like you was getting manhandled.

You was bad body language from Jokic in the fourth quarter, and then they end up making a comeback here you just got the doors blown off i don't i don't know what you take from game two nor one that actually helps you in game three yeah right it's same thing with new york like new york you're getting beat down the first like you're down 20 and just sheer just sheer willness gave you those so you have

you have something that you can say hey i don't give a fuck what they're up we got this going into the garden, which is going to be bananas, right?

I don't see how Denver goes home and they're like, yeah, don't worry.

That was just, we stole one guy's.

Let's just defend our home court.

I don't see what speech that

men in black can really give.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You, your, your college career at Arizona.

I have a question about Arizona basketball in general.

How are they not good every single year?

Because it feels like the greatest place to go to school is a basketball player.

Yes.

I mean, you know,

the weather, the women.

You're right.

That's it.

The atmosphere, the fan base.

It's one of those things where, you know, when you're talking about just

West Coast basketball, like when you're talking about like the style of play, Arizona is obviously West.

So, you know, you still are competing with the legacy of UCLA, right?

You probably get second fiddle, but you're still in Arizona.

And then, you know, from there, it's, you know, those guys try to stay close to home as much as possible.

So, you know, getting the LA kid out of LA, literally UCLA and USC aren't recruiting them.

Then they'll look outward.

So for the most part, you know,

you know, after Luke

passed, those west coast kids kind of stopped coming um so it seems like they're getting back to what they used to be yeah you know um you know they recruited you know my son very hard um he just wanted to stay home yeah you know muscleman muscleman who coached me called him every single day right called i didn't even know he was they was talking two three in the morning you know um about basketball about workout out right so you know um you know muscleman had a hand up on everybody because he actually called him every day Right.

Knowing that, you know, that he's going to reclass.

I don't think everybody realized he was going to reclass and be a senior.

So most of the guys didn't really recruit him like that.

And Muscleman was there from the beginning.

If your son goes on to play in the NBA, what are you going to tell him about playing cards on the plane?

I told him, listen,

If you, if, well, you know, I was, I was, I was great at cards.

It does sound fun.

Every time I hear about it, I'm like, what's better than that?

You and your boys playing cards on a plane?

Like, no one wants to be on a plane.

Pass the time with Pool a little gambling.

Yeah.

You know, don't be an antagonizer.

Realize that

losing money

is more important than how much they're losing.

Right.

You know, it just the idea.

of losing money is, you know, it was more of the problem than $1,100.

right to this day i don't even know how much he was down to be that mad right some people say oh yeah we want i want about four grand and to it was like four to six grand is how much he was down and for that team that's like losing 300 000 because they only played for 20 a hand right when you're talking about like I was with LeBron and Richie Nim.

Well, LeBron wasn't playing, but Richie and Mav Nim and Larry Hughes, we was playing 500 a hand and I'm on a big contract, and I'm still like,

right?

Yeah.

I was hearing, you know, games that they were playing $1,000 a hand.

So that means, you know, everybody puts up there's four players.

The game already started at $4,000.

You get one, 2-2-1 in the boo.

You're talking about you got boo for $4,000.

Now it's $8,000 in the pot.

Now you got three people who have the Ennie back up, right?

You're looking at $11,000 and you just started the game.

Right.

Yeah.

That's not the type of motion I wanted.

so i will tell him listen

win money

like a real winner don't brag

and if you do

hold a taser right tease the

did you hear from anybody else in the league that like after the incident went down they were like hey man now they're telling us we can't play cars on games what the

why'd you do that nah no one no one cared no one cared so no one

because I feel like at the time, you might have thought this whole thing was going to blow over.

Yeah, no, so yeah, it happened on the 21st.

We left Phoenix.

So it was our Phoenix West Coast trip flying back.

Happened on the 21st, I think.

And then the story didn't leak until I think New Year's.

Right.

So it was like, you know,

because

to be honest, the shit we did in locker rooms, right?

It's it's basically having jackass

inside of a building and only you guys get to critique each other, right?

So there's been paintball shootouts in, you know, locker rooms, right?

Bb, you know, shootouts.

Like, you know, Nick Young tells a story that I shot him in the back with a BB gun in the middle of a gun awareness meeting by the NBA.

Right.

You know, they just came from my, they just came to my house while I was asleep.

And, you know, him and Andre Bloch, they paintballed me in my bed.

Right.

The night before, so they decided that they were going to protect themselves with BB guns

because I was going to, so I froze my paintballs and I was going to be shooting frozen paintballs at them.

And then I went in a locker, seeing the BB gun, and I was offended.

You're bringing BB guns to the locker room to have a, so I went in a locker room.

I mean, I went into the meeting.

They're in the middle of a meeting.

I went to his back.

and pulled it.

And he's screaming,

BB stuck in his skin.

And I was like, oh, so where were we at?

And then just, you know, put the gun down and just,

I mean, it was a very funny.

It was a very funny team.

When you look at who was on there, you get you, obviously, Nick Young, and JaVail McGee, Black

Blodge, all those guys.

Deshaun Stevenson.

And then we had

those championship minds.

We had the Karan Butlers, the Antoine Jamesons,

the Brennan Haywoods, the Eton Thomas.

Too serious for my blood, right?

Right?

We had the, I call it the Jaclyn Hyde type of locker room.

You had goofballs and really serious.

Yeah.

Did the team ever, like, was the coach ever like, how do I, how do I get control of these guys?

Like a substitute teacher, like, I can't control the class right now.

In the locker room, he didn't come in a locker room.

Like in practice, you know, we were serious.

I didn't realize it until when someone asked me, it's like,

why did you do the things you did in locker rooms?

Right?

I thought you were this serious guy.

I thought you worked out.

I thought when you got to the gym, you did this.

And it's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

I did.

And then it was like, it's the all right.

So explain to me your routine.

And then I was like, okay, I got to the gym about five, six o'clock.

You know, I took my four or five hundred shots, lifted sauna, right?

Um,

took a nap, and then, you know, 10:30.

10.30.

And then I was like,

because I be in a gym by myself so much, right?

I'm in a gym at 11 p.m.

to one, then I get back in.

Majority of my working out, I'm by myself.

The only time I seen those guys

was during games.

Couldn't do that in a game day, but in practice.

So 10.15, 10.30 when everyone's there.

It's like PE for me.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I didn't have the concept of these guys are getting ready for practice.

I've already done my shit.

What's up?

Let's have fun.

That was my problem.

And I didn't notice that then.

That when these guys came in, it was recess

for me personally.

So I just wanted to just have fun before we had the practice.

Yes.

I mean, that makes sense.

It also sounds like you'd be

our setup here.

We have a full court and we have everyone coming around.

We do basically jackass shit.

So, I think you need to come take a visit to our headquarters.

Hey, hey, hey, you sound a job, you had a job.

Listen, you sound like you had a lot of fun

in a minute for some basketball and free time.

Yeah, it's recess here all the time.

I got one more question about the uh about the gun incident because I don't, I don't think the documentary brought this up.

But after it happens and before the story leaks, before the guy from the New York Post starts making phone calls about it,

had you guys squashed it already?

Were you Were you in Javaris?

Like, were you cool?

Yeah.

Okay.

So look, even like, if you listen to like,

I think it was Andre Block, Andre Bloch and Nick Young, you know, once his gun came out, like, oh, shit, this is serious.

It was the, it was, it was done after that.

Like, you know what I mean?

It was pretty calm after that because I know my forager didn't have nothing in him.

So I knew I was safe.

He had something I didn't know that was part of this little game I was playing.

So, you know, it was diffused right then.

And then we both went into jacuzzi because that's what we did before practice.

We both went into jacuzzi and then we were having a conversation.

And I'm like, yo, why are you so serious?

And then he was like, man, you just take too much shit.

Like, he's mad at me because I'm joking too much.

I'm mad at him.

Like, yo, you're Argon over $1100.

And he's mad at me because this is what actually happened.

It was a 2-2-1.

He had his, he got booed so he had to re-up the pot yeah so if nobody wins the the the money um

and it goes two two one that means there's two ties everybody has to re-up if you don't get no books so like if you know how to play spades imagine if you don't get a hand right you didn't win a hand you have to match what's ever in the pot so i guess this was like his second time matching the pot

Earl went out.

JaVale didn't take any cars.

So most likely he had all Trump, four Trump, three high Trump.

And from what Earl was, whoa, never mind.

That means he had ace king and queen, meaning he was going to win the money and possibly boot the both of us.

Javares needed five.

So that means he didn't have no Trump.

So I'm already laughing.

I had three Trump.

I said and showed my hands like, yeah, I'm not going to be a part of this fight and threw my cars in.

That kind of, that was the

thing that he was mad at, that I didn't help him in this fight.

I didn't help try to make it 2-2-1.

Right.

You left him out.

Yeah, to dry.

I left him to dry.

And that was like, yo, you're my guy.

See, there's these things in the NBA where

your personal relationship needs to overweigh the game rules itself.

Right.

So if me and you are best friends and there's $8,000 in the pot

and you have a king and I have an ace

and I hold my ace to the end.

I'm going to give you the money, but I'm going to boo you so the $8,000 can get back in there.

Yeah, right.

It makes sense.

Right.

Yeah.

If I did that, you

are taking that very personal because we have a relationship and we don't supposed to do that to each other.

And I'm like, shit, I want the $8,000 back in the game.

So I'm going to, I can't win this $8,000, but you got to put it back in.

I'm going to boo you.

That was more of it that I didn't help him fight for the money or fucking get booed with him.

Yeah.

And I'm like, yo, you did the crime.

You do the time was my thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It makes sense.

I also like the idea of you guys squashing it in the jacuzzi afterwards.

Like, you know, the other guy doesn't have a gun at that point.

Like, we, like, I'm going to just be honest, man.

You know.

After it happened, we was fine.

The, the only wedge we really have, we had was kind of like

during it.

it was like during you know during the trial and stuff it's like yeah wait a minute like i heard what your lawyer said do you believe the lie that y'all are telling or is this we still playing because you already got off you you yeah you got what's it and so you don't need to make this kind of statement the fact that you already got um

basically a slap on the wrist in the sense of, you know, what happened here?

Because, you know, technically the story is opposite.

I never touched a gun, never held a gun no one seen me with a gun i just said yo those are mine i did that shit right i was just standing on business right so the fact that you pulled yours out the gun was pulled on me technically right yeah right so the fact that you know everyone thinks i pulled it on you i'm willing

I'm willing to let that narrative run because I know if it go to court, the real story can be told.

Yeah.

So that was kind of the only riff.

After that, it was more, this is my little brother, man, and I'm going to, you know, hang with him.

So, you know, I used to, you know, text with him in jail, send him phones.

Like, you know, we was, we was, we was, you know, behind the scenes talking, you know, trying to keep him from, you know, going into that dark place, talk about basketball, you know.

So from, you know, 10 years, it was more up to, hey, man, how good is boom, boom, boom?

Like, we was always in the talks.

Yeah.

All right.

I got one last question.

This has been so much fun, Gil.

We appreciate you coming on.

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Last question:

You

gave Lamar Odom his payment for big three while he was having sex?

Yeah.

Can you tell me?

I don't understand that.

Okay.

So since I was the captain, right?

I got the checks, handed them out.

Oh, no, everyone got their own check, but Lamar wasn't there yet, right?

So, you know, I get word we're in Charlotte.

So I don't know if he drove there.

I don't know what happened, but I had his check.

So I was like, yo, when you get to town,

I got your check.

Just hit me up.

So I get a text.

It was like, yo, I'm at the hotel.

Uh, you around?

I was like, Yeah, I'm in my room.

He was like, Yeah, can you bring my check?

That.

All right.

So I was like, What room are you in?

He gave me the room number.

I go knock on the door.

Right.

He literally,

like, it wasn't, you know, like, creak the door open.

I got to hand it to him because this is the first time I meet Lamar.

Yeah.

This is the first time I meet him.

He swings the door open.

Come on on in.

What naked?

Like, oh, man.

But before I looked away, I see bent over, nice rat.

I mean, nice back.

So I had to look back.

And then he just goes, she's bent over the bed.

And he just starts going in.

And I'm like,

and it's like, yeah, yeah, just put the, just put it right there.

How quickly did you get out of the room?

Right, I didn't, I didn't move that fast.

I mean, I had my eyes.

It was, it wasn't eyes.

I've never, like, I've been around some wild dudes.

Never.

That's crazy.

Never seen, never seen that.

Like, that.

Like, I'm like, Lamar is wild.

That's so funny.

It even got what.

So, so I heard the story of game one,

which I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

Game one, they said after game one,

I wasn't there, right?

I had, I had court.

After game one, they said he has his phone.

He's in the shower

watching porn.

Like, he said, they said, yo, he's watching it.

Like, it's a Netflix series.

He's just sitting there just, yeah, man.

Hey, how y'all think I did today?

Yeah.

And then

Rick Mahorn is talking to him and he's just sitting there like,

hey, so do we still still get paid?

Yeah, no matter how we did it, oh, that's gravy, that's great.

And he's just watching a full-blown porn like it was regular TV.

So when I heard the story, like, I'm like, nah, he can't be that wild until that, that, that right there.

Yeah, confirmed.

He's watched every porn on the internet.

He made that claim in like 2015.

He'd seen every single porn.

Yeah.

He's a historian.

I will say,

I would believe it.

If you just finished playing a basketball game and you're in the shower and the first thing that you are watching is porn, that says

you had to catch up on the new episodes.

Yeah, you can't get by.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, Gil, thank you so much.

We'll definitely have you back on, man.

This was so much fun and we really appreciate your time.

All right, appreciate it.

Appreciate it.

Thank you for having me.

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Okay, let's wrap up.

We got Fire Fest of the week.

Let's

start with Max.

Max.

Hey, guys.

How are we doing?

Hey.

Doing good, Max.

I thought we'd surprise you, surprise Hank.

He's not so happy to hear your voice.

Is this later tonight or is this?

I'm always happy to hear my voice.

Is this in real time?

Yeah.

So how are you doing, Max?

You have a Fire Fest this week?

Yeah, I do have a Fire Fest.

My Fire Fest of the week is time zones.

Yes.

Yeah.

I, you know,

I'm in Hawaii right now.

I think it's about a six-hour, maybe seven-hour difference.

I still don't know.

I can't figure out the time zones out here.

And I keep looking forward to watching Nick's Celtics every night or every night that they play.

And somehow I just keep missing the games.

Do you guys have any updates that you could give me of like what's going on with this series?

I was thinking about you, Max, because you must be so far behind in Hawaii that it's still like early in the second halves there.

So right now you're thinking that the Celtics are winning.

Yeah, up 20.

Turns out they lost both games.

No, they didn't.

I'm pretty sure I saw that they were up 20 in both of those games.

Yeah, they were.

Well, Hank, this bit is so bad that even Jerry O'Connell said it's

just for the record.

You're going to hear that tomorrow.

But

damn, okay.

All right.

No, I get it.

I get it, Hank.

You're upset.

I'm not.

That wasn't me saying that.

That was Jerry O'Connell saying that.

I guess that it's super embarrassing that Jason Tatum has now taken the crown of the worst playoff performer in the Eastern Conference.

Ooh.

From who?

Joellen Bi for a long time was known as the worst Eastern Conference superstar to play in the playoffs.

And Jason Tatum simply has worse playoff stats than Joelle Embiid, and that's a fact.

I mean, Max, this is one stat that matters most.

Pretty splinters.

You want to go look at him?

Oh, yeah.

Go look at the one state that matters most.

Go look at him.

All right, give us a second.

Is this the take that you were marinating on?

Oh, yeah.

Jason Tatum is just as bad of a playoff performer as Joelle Embiid is.

This is so pathetic, Max.

Stats back it up.

All right, he just pulled the second computer.

Max has two computers out.

That is correct.

Go ahead, Max.

Jason Tatum

has 24 points per game

on

43% shooting.

Not terrible.

43% shooting is bad, significantly worse than Joelle Embiid.

He has

eight assists and

eight rebounds.

Okay.

Okay.

24-8-8.

I'll sign up for that all day.

This guy's sucks.

He has five assists, eight rebounds.

24-7.

Five assists, eight rebounds.

Dwelling B, 25 points per game on 46% shooting,

11 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks.

I have a question for Max Hank.

PFT.

Yeah, Max, this is a PFT commenter from part of my take.

Which one of those two players has missed more playoff games?

What does that mean?

Oh, Hank.

Yeah.

Hank.

Do you want us to rephrase it?

Dumb it down for you?

Okay, so I have an answer, and then I have a follow-up question.

Okay, Hank, same question.

The answer is: those are just numbers.

Those are numbers.

You're doing numbers, right?

You're reading numbers about head-to-head stats.

There's numbers.

That's a team stat.

Got it.

That's team stat.

Now, this is

team stat.

We're looking at individual, the

individual player.

What about in elimination games?

What about in elimination games?

Time and time again, not showing up in the play.

What about in elimination?

What about in elimination games, Max?

Because that's when you need to show up the most.

That actually, yeah, Jason Tatum had one good elimination game, which is even crazier that his overall stats are that bad with a 50-point game.

Okay, so we have multiple games.

What about Eastern Conference final stats, head-to-head?

Like, when it matters the most, you know, to get to the finals.

Which guy has better numbers?

But all playoffs.

Are you saying that all playoff games don't matter?

No, I'm saying that the Eastern Conference finals matter more than the first round.

All playoff games don't matter.

what about they all matter the same because to get to the eastern conference finals you got to play well in the early games what about you're terrible what about what about what about

yeah what about the fact that joe embeds a loser

what about the fact that jason tatum would also be a loser if he wasn't playing for the celtics no that's a good point

jason tatum would be a loser if he wasn't a champion that's true max played horribly in that championship and was carried by the rest of his team i hate that you're making us defend hank and jason tatum right But here's what's happened.

Here's what's happened.

I am simply just reading the facts that they have the exact same numbers.

This is what's happening.

Hank went numbers for numbers with his Thunder and the Celtics going into this series.

All I'm doing is doing the same thing of numbers for numbers between Joe L.

Embiid and Jason Tatum in the playoffs.

Here's what's happening.

That's what he kept saying.

What's the games played number?

What do the numbers say?

I'm just curious.

I'm asking.

How many games has Tatum played versus Embiid?

He's looking up.

Very, very session computer.

This is unfortunate because this is

unfortunately.

Max is having a great time in Hawaii.

He's sitting on the beach.

I wouldn't come on the show from Hawaii.

I'll say that.

We know that.

But here's the problem, Max.

This sounds like a take.

You texted us last night.

You said, I got a take I'm marinating on.

And this is one of those takes.

I wanted a couple days to marinate on this take, to be fair.

Yeah.

I thought I had to bring it out.

Yeah.

So this is unfortunately one of those takes you've been marinating on, but usually when you marinate on a take, you'll at least do a trial balloon to me and PFT, and we'll be like, hey, Max, this is probably the dumbest thing you could say, and it really is going to make you look stupid.

And then you won't say the take.

Unfortunately, we're not around,

and this isn't going well.

Why?

You haven't given me any response other than that he's played more games.

The fact of the matter is that Jason Tatum just won an NBA title last year.

And when he played badly in that finals, Jason Tatum.

Listen, he actually didn't play that.

I'm not saying that Jason Tatum has had

then Joel and Biet hasn't played that badly either.

They have the same numbers.

This is a tough, tough, tough argument.

Why?

Why?

Jason Tatum literally won a championship last year.

Yeah.

They're also going to win the series.

That's where it's like.

The Belts won a championship last year.

Okay.

The Boston Celtics won a championship last year.

Jason Tatum is a part of the Boston Celtics, but he is not the entire team.

Max, this take would be perfect if you let it marinate for a little bit longer, let it soak a couple more overnights, and if the Celtics get swept by the Knicks, then you could come over top with some of these stats, and then you could be like, it's a what have you done for me lately, Lee?

This is a take.

And it would be good.

The series was over.

Yeah.

This is series over today.

This series is not.

You know what it is.

To be fair, I did say I wanted to marinate over a couple days and then

I was asked to bring the take today.

Max gets a

new set.

You brought up the take yourself.

What would two days come?

Yes.

What would two days come on?

And he says,

no.

I'm on vacation.

Nope.

All right.

Max gets a villain over Pope, and all of a sudden he thinks that he's infallible, too.

Mm-hmm.

Feeling yourself, Max.

The numbers are the numbers.

That's all.

All I wanted to do was bring up numbers.

All right, do you have a fire fest?

Yes, time zones.

Oh, yeah, time zones.

How has Hawaii been?

And just walk.

You have to watch.

Hawaii is actually incredible.

Let's get a view from my room over here.

Breaking.

Let's get a room view.

It's so salty.

I love it.

Oh, that's a pretty nice view, Max.

Yeah, it is good.

There's some turtles that go down in that little corner right there.

I don't know if you can see my finger.

There's some turtles.

Every morning I come out and I just go out and look at the turtles for a little bit.

Mr.

Pears, all of his grandfathers and ancestors.

They're all just hanging.

They're just hanging out.

Vibes Vibes are high.

People, oh,

I actually

people are just coming up.

I wouldn't have even known about Celtics, Knicks, unless the people that were in this resort were just so excited to tell me that the Celtics just keep blowing leads.

Yeah, you said, you texted us last night that you stopped watching the game when they were up 20, and then someone came up to you at the pool and was like, hey, did you see that?

Yeah, I know.

It was.

I actually didn't believe it.

I thought someone was looking at a box score from the game before.

I was like, there's no way that this actually happened twice.

It's been pretty crazy, Max.

They just keep shooting threes and they keep missing.

Oh, man.

I don't understand.

I don't understand what's happening.

Wait, didn't Hank say that they were only going to lose?

What was the number?

Two and a half before the finals?

Two and a half.

Yeah.

I lost it.

Oh, shit.

That's an over, right?

Cash it.

Yes, cash the over.

You can cash that over.

And we're not even halfway there yet.

Okay.

Hank also said, though, that if they went down 0-2 in the series, he wouldn't be worried.

So he's not worried.

But then he was a little bit worried, but then he's not worried about it.

He did tweet after that game that he was worried.

Yeah, no, I updated it.

Yeah.

Update has been worried.

All right, well, we miss you, Max.

Are you going to get us some gifts?

I already got most of them.

Oh.

I already have some for everyone, but I'm getting...

I'm coming back with

extras.

Did you get me a titty mug?

Did you get memes a titty mug?

To be determined.

Okay, what about, like, don't spoil the gifts, but is is there a chance I'm getting another Pope bobblehead?

To be determined.

Okay, okay.

So those are both no's.

Yeah, no, the Pope.

No, the Pope.

Put your Vs up.

Uh-huh.

No, Pope.

No, Pope.

No one knows how good, what this means for recruiting.

You literally don't know.

It's never been done before.

That's true.

That's true.

That's very true.

All right, Max.

We miss you.

We'll see you Sunday night.

Yes, for sure.

I will be there Sunday night.

Jason Tatum, Joel and Bied, same playoff performers.

Okay.

Same.

Exact same.

Thanks, Max.

See ya.

All right.

That was our good friend Max.

He's going to be back on Sunday.

Hank, how did you think that went for him?

Bad.

Yeah.

Does that put a smile on your face?

Yeah,

that actually had the reverse effect where it's like Max came on here, thought he had, you know, discovered the nuclear atom, and it was just like,

but Tatum's want to title.

I mean, it's good, like, as his boss, it's a good thing to file for like the end-of-year reviews, like get get better at vacations because that's just horrible performance.

He is bad at vacations.

Yes, I agree.

Yeah, he seems like he's having fun.

He's a quantity over quality.

He's kind of like the Celtics.

Takes a lot of shots at him, misses.

Yeah.

Hey, do you have a firefighter?

Yeah, I do.

When I was flying to Arizona,

you guys know I fall asleep on planes.

I also have had a history of getting a little woozy on flights.

And

this one was bad.

I fell asleep on the way there.

And I kind of came to as we were, you know, the pilot comes on.

It's like we're starting to descent.

And there was some turbulence.

And as I was waking up, I was like sweating.

Like I felt nauseous.

And I couldn't get up.

And so I had to hit the thing a bunch.

And ask, you know, there was no barf bag in my seat.

Okay.

And so by the time the flight attendant came over, she handed me a bag, but it was like

50%.

Like I legitimately projectiled

into this bag.

It was like all liquid.

Like it was just all you puked on a flight?

Yeah.

And you only got half of it in?

Yeah.

And like I had my sweatshirt.

Oh, hank.

And a ton got on my sweatshirt.

And the guy next to me, I was like, this guy must think I'm an absolute creature.

Did you hit that guy?

He was, there was a seat in between us.

So he didn't get anything on him, but it was, it's just a disgusting, it's a terrible spot to be in.

You feel like a mutant, and there's nothing you can really do or say other than sorry.

Yeah.

And I had just woke.

I was super discombobulated and I felt gross and it was gross.

And it was gross.

That was my firefight.

Oh, hey.

That's pretty bad.

That's really bad.

Did you say I'm sorry to the guy?

I said, I'm sorry to the guy.

I said, I'm sorry to the flight attendant, the person in front of me.

It was, you know, they're all nice.

Like, oh, don't worry about it.

But it was gross.

Oh, man, Hank.

That's tough.

tough.

That's crazy.

One time Hank did that next to me on a flight.

He had just had a go-gurt.

Oh, he took off.

And, yeah, it got a little bit on my arm.

It was like baby puke.

Yeah, it was kind of adorable.

I just started patting him on the back.

I said, they're there.

What happened?

I don't know.

I think I just gotten, there was just turbulence in my...

That's just like, yeah, that's straight savage mode to puke on a flight.

I know.

It's mutant mode.

I feel like people used to do that a lot more frequently because they used to have the barf bags everywhere.

Yeah.

Now you got to ask for one.

I know.

That's how they get you.

The airline's cutting back.

Yeah, it was, but there's nothing.

There was nothing because I couldn't have gotten up.

Were you first class?

I was southwest, so I was

in the first section.

Okay.

Nice.

Brutal, Hank.

It's been a bad week.

Really bad week.

I blame most of this on Barcelona.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

Your beloved Barcelona.

So when we were recording, the sound that you heard where Hank got really upset that they were losing and the moaning and groaning, Hank didn't realize that there were two periods in extra time.

So, Hank got up to leave, and they're like, No, Hank, you can come back and watch.

There's more soccer.

And then you got pumped, and yeah, nothing really happened.

Yeah, I don't think I can watch soccer ever again.

Oh, wow.

Great game by Inters Goalie, though.

That was an awesome soccer game.

The kid, I didn't realize that Barcelona's best player was 17.

That kid is unbelievable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was tough.

It's just not been your week.

No.

We'll try again again next week.

Yeah.

Okay, PFT, your Fire Fest?

I had a pretty good week this week, so I can't really complain about too much, but I did have one thing that happened to me

earlier today.

I think a lot of people can identify with it.

It's a minor thing, but it felt bad at the time.

I took a dump.

And while I took a dump, I forgot to bring my phone with me into the bathroom.

I don't know if you guys have experienced that recently.

Yeah.

That sucks.

It is the worst.

Yeah.

It could ruin your day.

Yeah, because you just sit there and you're like well what now what i just sat there and and and i thought i was alone with my thoughts for about seven minutes and it's a shocking thing in today's day and age i was looking for stuff to read the dude wipes ingredients box maybe songs to listen to

like in my own head yeah no i wasn't singing along to any songs in my own head okay nice but you just yeah you sit there with your own i was humming a little bit i was humming at the time i forget i forget the name of it yeah it's tough when you get a song in your song song.

You got to sing it to get it out of your head.

No, not always.

Sometimes you just have to hope that it'll get out of there because you don't really, really, really don't want to sing the lyrics to this song.

Although, musically, from a melody standpoint, it's a good melody, but the lyrics are like the worst lyrics that you could possibly write ever.

Maybe the worst lyrics, maybe the worst things anyone's ever said ever.

Yeah.

But the melody

can get stuck in your head.

It's hard when it's a catchy tune.

Yeah.

Yeah.

At least the title wasn't something where you're like, yeah, I probably, why even listen to this in the first place?

Right.

I'd forget the name of the title to the track.

I'll be honest.

Yeah, I've forgotten everything about the lyrics to that at this point.

But no, you start to think about, can I read the

shampoo bottle?

Can I read, like, is there anything with words on it in the bathroom that I can read?

to just make this faster.

But yeah, it was something that happened to us when we were kids a lot more.

If you didn't have a magazine or something in there.

Yeah, it would just be magazines in there.

And yeah, and if you're screwed and you don't have a magazine, you're just like, all right, well, this fucking sucks.

Yeah, kids these days don't know the struggle.

No, they don't.

They don't.

I mean, that's Rick Riley and Bill Simmons.

I feel like that's

a majority of their fan base is pure.

Sports Illustrated, yeah.

I think shits.

Like 90% of Rick Riley articles were read to while there was poop coming out of somebody's butt.

Easily.

Do you guys have a high school and you can give an author?

You get caught to not taking a dump, but like if you're bored eating breakfast, you just end up reading the back of the cereal box.

Oh, yeah.

That always sucked.

That was always, that always felt bad.

The funniest was the part of this complete breakfast, and it was like 10 items in the complete breakfast.

Yeah.

Like three glasses of orange juice.

Then you had the cereal with the milk.

Then you had like a brand muffin on the side.

Then you had yogurt.

It was like, yeah, if you eat all this shit together, it's a full breakfast for you.

Yeah.

I got a, I bought Lucky Charms for myself on Tuesday.

24 hours.

That's pretty impressive.

Yeah.

That's pretty good.

Full box of cereal is a great.

I just

crushed it.

It was a night in a morning.

I finished my honey nuts this morning.

Honey nut Cheerios is the goat breakfast.

I got them on deck all the time.

I got a backup.

I figured out a way to make them even a little bit better.

What do you got?

So I got it.

I'm a dessert cereal guy.

Yeah, like the Rice Krispies Treat Squares.

No, no, you're saying actually after dinner you eat cereals.

Yes.

It's great.

It's dessert soup.

Yeah.

So

I got a frother a few months ago, and I've been frothing everything,

which it's kind of addictive.

I just take stuff out of my fridge and I'm like, will this froth?

And then I try to froth it.

Most things do froth.

I frothed my cereal milk the other day.

It was delightful.

It was like a little moose cereal.

That is nice.

Yeah, it was great.

That is nice.

I've been doing trying to get healthier.

Well, this leads into my Fire Fest.

I've been, you know, we're reassessing after the kidney stones.

Doing what?

The Lucky Jobs was after this reassessment.

It's part of the assessment.

Yes,

the timeline gets a little blurry.

Got it.

The timeline gets a little blurry.

But I have been eating Cheerios and bananas.

That's good.

Yeah.

But yeah,

no sugar.

Okay, that's good.

Honey nuts are standard.

Standard.

Yeah.

I feel like that's the pinnacle of health: being like, I'm just going to eat these standard yellow box Cheerios.

It's raw dogging Cheerios.

Yeah, that's, you can't get healthier than that.

I'm sure I'm probably already back.

I am, though, did have a the reassessment of the health is ongoing.

Wednesday, though, uh,

I went with Eddie to do a video.

We went to the uh Vienna Beef factory, hot dog factory, uh,

and uh, I ate like 10 hot dogs.

Uh, great people, awesome time, but that's for work.

I basically just like remade a new kidney stone.

Yeah, I mean, what goes into hot dogs?

Probably all healthy stuff, right?

Listen, I told Eddie when in the video will come out, I told Eddie, when we go into this factory, if I see something I don't like, I'm leaving.

Because I don't want to have, I love hot dogs.

I don't want them ruined for me.

It was totally fine.

Everything looked good.

Got to see how the sausage gets made.

But yeah,

that was a problem for me that I ate that many hot dogs

two days after I passed the kidney stone.

That's fine.

You'll probably be fine.

It was a lot of hot dogs.

The best time to eat a hot dog or anything bad for you is right after you get rid of the kidney stone.

That's true.

There's a guy, there's at the Vienna Beef, and like I said, Eddie's going to put out the video, but 10.30 every day, they just test hot dogs in the kitchen.

I like that.

So I walked up there and there was just hot dogs, and they're like, here, have as many as you want.

Instead of a smoke break, you get a wiener break.

Yeah.

I was eating chili.

I was eating potato soup as well.

I had six cups of soup.

Wait, that was part of the

hot dog break?

Yeah, yeah.

So it's a hot dog, chili, and potato soup.

Yeah, they have different stuff.

I had a hot dog that isn't even released to the public.

I guess if you work at a hot dog place, it's probably going to smell pretty bad in there.

So they don't mind if you just fart all the time.

It was the opposite.

It smelled delicious.

Did it really?

Because you got to also remember, Vienna Beef, they're doing like pastramis, smoked briskets.

Like it smelled incredible.

The smokehouse, seeing where the hot dogs go and get smoked, oh, it smelled so good.

Yeah, that sounds like a great trip.

Yeah.

And that's why we got the dick right here.

That was why Eddie's mission was to get that.

So pretty, pretty big, pretty big day.

Love that.

Yeah.

All right.

Amimes, you got a Fire Fest?

I had a great week.

Okay.

Yeah.

This was like

top 10 weeks.

Is that because Max isn't here?

No.

But the Dunners got the number one pick.

Knicks have just shocked the Celtics twice.

Yeah.

Mets or Wagon.

And Max is.

Justin Fields is going to eventually win a Super Bowl.

And none of the Georgia players have gotten any driving violations.

So great week.

Huge.

Pretty cool.

Huge.

What about last night?

No, can't think of any.

Can't think of a single thing.

Can't think of a single thing.

I did get to see Shane wearing his batting gloves last night.

Yeah.

It's shocking.

Yeah, it was very shocking.

And even more shocking is that he takes them off to play first base.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, we got, we got, we got smoked.

Smoked.

I was upset I wasn't able to attend.

But I did say before the season started that I was not going to be there for any 630 games.

I had to, I told my wife, I was like, I'm not home a lot.

And to be like, hey, I'm not going to be home for softball.

Yeah.

Was felt.

And it's like, hey, are we videoing this?

No.

It's just softball.

Hank did a fine job pitching.

Yeah.

Yeah, we just, too many unearned runs.

It happens.

And this isn't isn't really a knock.

I respect the hustle.

A little bit of a try-hard move, but PFT's team was there an hour and a half early.

They got a full BP.

I showed up there doing situational plays.

Each player probably hit like

150.

You can't criticize it.

No, that's what I'm saying.

Hat tip.

It's like, we're never going to try that hard.

I think I took 10 swings.

Yeah.

I did take 10 swings.

If we don't mean the playoffs, we should schedule a game when Max and I can play.

I did miss playing, but I also, again,

6:30 is a very early time.

That's a witching hour in my head.

It was great.

Also, to be fair to Hank, he was probably thinking about the Celtics.

Yeah, but at that point, they were witching.

We had a TV on our house.

Yeah, I was home by half time.

I was calling out scores to Hank.

Just let him know.

I wasn't even trolling him.

I was like, the Celtics are crushing the Knicks.

There's no chance that they lose.

I didn't think that they were going to lose.

Me neither.

No.

Yeah.

No.

All right.

Memes, but like 1% of that is because Max isn't here, right?

No, I like having Max around.

Oh, you do?

Yeah.

He's cool.

He zones out a lot, but he's cool.

He does zone out.

He's got ADD.

It's a problem.

When he goes on his phone, it's like severance.

Hank, which is.

He's looking at campus cuties.

Yeah, you're like, why aren't you looking this up on his computer?

Phone.

Hank, who were you talking about specifically when you said unearned runs?

I mean, our team had like five errors.

Oh.

Yeah.

Not the best season.

Any one of them.

Yeah.

Not the best.

No one in particular.

Listen, a lot of season left.

The guys that made errors.

Two and two.

A lot of season left.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hopefully, we play in the playoffs.

That'd be awesome.

It'd be great.

Yeah.

All right.

Numbers.

Three.

Six.

Celtics and six.

Six and six.

What was your last number, memes?

14?

13.

13.

I go 13.

99 votes.

My bad.

I'm going to take

61.

nine-nine

seventy-three

twenty-one

seventy-five

seventy-five memes, not even close, not even close to close,

so far away.

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