Trump Term Limits, TikTok Status Check, and Scott's Presidential Prospects

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And today we have a listener mailbag for you because we love our listeners. We love our fans.
By the way, everyone's come up to me in the past couple of weeks. Thank you.
I appreciate it. And they all say hello to Scott.
But now we're going to listen to them. So let's listen to the first one.
Hey, Scott and Kara. I'm always amazed when I'm listening to you all on 2x speed, how quickly you're able to pull up facts and stats to back up your point and give more texture to them.
As somebody who's less up to speed on how podcasts are run, how are you able to get your information so quickly? Are you on ChatGPT looking these things up? Do you have it prepared ahead of time? Or do you have a whole team of people who are looking these things up for you? I would love a better idea of how the sausage is made. And yes, I just handed you a dick joke too.
Thank you so much. Bye.
Well, well, well, well, let me just tell you something. We have a producers and we have great producers and writers and researchers.
Scott has a bunch. And they give us a whole script of information and some of which we use, some of which we don't, but it's at our fingertips.
We also know a lot of stuff. We also ourselves know a lot of stuff and have been covering things or talking about them.
But Scott, you can talk about what you use. I know you use ChatGPT and other things much more than I do.
But we have lots of amazing people. For this show, I'll call them out.
Lara Neiman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin, for example. And Scott? Yeah, so the first is, and I'm not a humble person, I have an aptitude for numbers and I like data.
But more than anything, greatness is in the agency of others. And I have people think that it's us producing this content.
We obviously have our producers here. My small media company has 18 people and I have three people who do nothing but try and find interesting data.
And also my trick is when I find an interesting piece of data myself, I text it to my data team and I ask them to incorporate it in my presentations. And then I will write it down on my Apple notes to try and cement it in my memory.
So for example, yesterday I saw a piece of data that just blew me away and I wrote it down and it'll show up on my next deck when I do a speaking engagement. And that piece of data was the following.
Over 50% of 18 to 24 year old males have never asked a woman out in person. And I thought that was so illuminating and horrifying that I wrote it down.
And you can bet you're going to hear it again across all my different media channels. So greatness is in the agency of others.
But also when you find an interesting piece of data, it's not like I'm some Svengali that can just recall shit. I write it down and I use it over and over such that it becomes a static part of my wet matter.
Yeah, but we do work from scripts, but we're very loose with them. And at the same time,

they're critical and necessary. So we can give you the right facts.
And we have fact checkers,

by the way, also. So that if we get anything wrong, and by that I mean Scott, we can check

them very quickly or change them. So we spend a lot of, there's time on that.
A lot of podcasts

do not do that, but we do. 98 of lesbians end up divorced.
Okay. 98%.
I'm not getting divorced ever. My wife is wonderful.
Anyway, Scott, the next one comes from a TikTok employee. How exciting.
Let's listen. Hi, Karen, Scott.
It's me, your girl in Austin, Texas. I am a current TikTok employee and I feel like we have been left out of the conversation surrounding TikTok entirely.
There's a thousand employees just in the city that I live in and there's many thousand more throughout the U.S. And I'm just wondering what our current TikTok employees in the U.S.
supposed to do?

Are we sticking around?

Do you think we should jump ship? Please let me know. Thank you so much.
Bye. I think there's going to be a deal soon.
If I'm going to make a prediction here, Scott usually makes his predictions, but I think there's going to be, it's being, the process is being run by J.D. Vance and Mike Walls.
And I think they're trying to figure out if there's a way that the bigger U.S. owners, probably be Elon or Ellison, Larry Ellison or something like that.
I don't know what to say. If Elon buys it, do you want to work for Elon Musk? If Elon gets the big shot, which of course he's grifting around all over the government, so maybe he'll get it.
Do you want to work for him? I think you have skills that are transferable everywhere in terms of what you're doing at TikTok. What a great product away from all the mishegas around the ownership and the Chinese government.
So I don't know. I might wait and see to see until the deal is done.
Scott? Humans will do almost anything to avoid pain. And a subset of pain is the unknown, not knowing what's going to happen.
And so I get a lot of calls like this when companies are in play, being acquired, not doing well. Should I leave? Is it going to be shut down? So this is that type of question.
And my general advice is the following, is that change and disruption, you need to ask yourself what could go right. And that is, one, you don't know what's going to happen.
But also, if a lot of people get saved, it gets closed down and a lot of people get laid off, but the US operation becomes the headquarters for North America sands the US, and a lot of people leave, that creates a lot of opportunity for promotions. So my general advice in situations where there's a lot of change and disruption is to ignore the psychological damage to the extent you can, or the insecurity of the unknown, because disruption brings a lot of opportunity.
And you might find yourself in six months and 12 months after a big event or non-event in a much better place than you'd anticipated. So especially with a

company like TikTok that's got so much consumer power, stick around and play it out. See what the next card, when they turn it over, see what it is.
Okay. All right.
A good one. Okay.
Well, let's go on a quick break. We come back.
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Scott, we're back with more listener mail. Let's listen to another one.
Hi, Tara and Scott. the pod.
My name is Whitney and I'm from Dallas, Texas. I feel like nobody's talking about the fact that every corporation is completely gutting their organization, restructuring, reorging, renaming, C-suite executives, and putting tons and tons and tons of workers.
What's going on? And what is going to happen in the future for all of these workers looking for jobs, but also the fact that the companies are kind of wiping middle management and there's not going to be anyone to mentor this younger talent? I'd love your thoughts. Thank you.
Wow. You know, we talk a lot about the Department of Government Efficiency.
Companies have been doing this really recently. They've seen that they can really cut people and don't need them as much as they did, and so they're taking the opportunity to do so.
Every company's got to be looking at the costs. Scott and I were with someone recently who said he's going from 6,000 software engineers.
This is not just affecting middle management to 2,000 next year. I mean, I think everyone's looking for what they can make do with and not to just ruin it.
They don't need as many people with AI. They don't need as many people for what they're doing.
And they're trying to put efficiency in. And you're going to see this happen everywhere.
And if you're a company, that is your job is to, of course, they'll pay themselves more. That's what Meta just did.
It just gave top executives more money. And meanwhile, they're doing layoffs.
So even the very successful companies are doing this, not just the ones in distress. Yeah, I think I have a little bit of a different take.
And I think the underlying assumption is there's a lot of unemployment.

And the reality is unemployment is still at pretty much historical lows, hovering around

4, 4.1%.

Jobless claims are up a bit.

There's a lot of headline news.

I think the media loves, the media is like a tyrannosaurus rex.

It likes movement and violence.

And any indication of things bad in the jobless market or unemployment gets a lot of noise. But the reality is employment in the U.S.
is still very, very strong. That's right.
And distinct to that, there's a lot of change, tumult, insecurity, catastrophizing around AI. And then a lot of people argue that that unemployment number is a bit illusory because you're considered a discouraged worker or if you're no longer seeking employment after two years.
But having to say that in general, it would be really difficult to make the argument that unemployment is bad right now. It just isn't.
And I would argue that it's not about unemployment. It's about wages and it's about the percentage of workers' wages relative to GDP, relative to the stock market's percentage and corporate profits.
Essentially, labor as a percentage or wages as a percentage of GDP are at a near all-time low or near 40-year low, whereas profits and shareholder value as a percentage of GDP is staggering. So in sum, it's easy to get a job.
It's just not easy to get a job where you can make a good living. And I think that's the focus.

Right.

But I do think companies are finding ways to successful and not just really efficiency.

And they should.

That's their job.

That's what they're doing.

And the people who figure out how to be part of that efficiency are going to make more money.

So that's just capitalism.

But unemployment is actually at historic lows right now.

So I think there's a lot of insecurity.

I think there's more job changes.

Let me move to what is actionable.

I'm going, I think every three to five years, you should quit your job, even if you don't quit. And what I mean by that, well, you're different.
You actually could. What I mean by that is I have been at NYU for 23 years, but I quit every three to five years.
What do I mean by that? I go get an offer from a Columbia or a Wharton or somewhere else, and then I walk up to the dean's office and I say, this is the offer I have, and I'm totally transparent. I don't want to leave.
I want to stay, but I need you to match the offer because this is market. And they hum and they ha, and they make a bunch of excuses, and then they match it.
So no one's going to manage your career for you. What you need to do is constantly quit.
As a matter of fact, the surveys show that people who make the most money are job switchers. Not every year, but every three to five years.
But here's what you do if you don't wanna leave your job. You quit without quitting.
You do a market check. You don't be an asshole.
You go into your boss and you say, I got approached. This is what they're offering me.
I'd like to stay. Be transparent.
The truth has a nice ring to it and get a higher salary. But unemployment, no, unemployment isn't bad right now.
Also, you have to know what your leverage and value is. You should always, even the negative parts.
And the way you do that is with a market check. And you might find out that you're being overpaid.
That's correct. And you should shut the fuck up.
Don't tell anybody. Shut the fuck up.
That's correct. Scott, say nothing.
All right. That's right.
Next, this one comes from Steve. Let's listen.
Hello. My name is Steve.
I have two questions that I would love to hear your thoughts on. Number one is your thoughts on term limits for Supreme Court justices.
And number two is, what are your thoughts about Trump's end of his four-year term when he probably will find a

way not to leave? You know, he won't respect the two-term limit for U.S. president.
So,

curious what you think that will look like four years from now. Thank you very much.
I love your show. Bye.
Steve, thank you. That's very sweet.
I'm four-term limits on Supreme Court justice. There's a number.
I think it's 16 years, something like that, that I think works. Or a certain age.
I think probably age-gating would be what I would do on the top end. I guess 75, I suppose, would be, I think, fair.
Maybe even 72, maybe 70. I don't know, somewhere in there.
Number two, I think he will try, but I think he's going to be old. I think he's already, even though he seems vigorous, he's been nodding off.
I don't think he really wants to govern. He just likes to make pronouncements.
So in four years, I don't know if he'll be capable. I think that doesn't mean they won't try to prop him up like Weekend at Bernie's kind of do a pull of Joe Biden essentially.
And I think he likes to talk about it to bother us quite a bit and to show he has power over picking the successor. He may try to pick one of his kids.
That's something I can see happening easily. Not Eric, obviously, not Tiffany, but Ivanka or Junior.
So I don't know. I think that's what I'll try to do more than anything.
Scott?

A hundred percent. I'm an ageist and so is biology.
We age gate the Senate. You have to be 30.
We age gate Congress at 25. We age gate CEOs of companies in the UK.
They say at 65. In India, I think you have to retire at 65.
In the UK, the mandatory retirement age for UK Supreme Court justices is 75. Your prefrontal cortex, when you're a male, does not catch up to a woman's until the age of 25.
And guess what? From the age of 40 on,

your prefrontal cortex begins to shrink. And Senator Feinstein did not know where the fuck she was the last year she was in the Senate.
And you lose the ability and the judgment and people around you want to give you some dignity and it ends up really hurting America. We absolutely need age limits.
What's the age? Pick the age. You know what?

I like personally, I would go, I'd go younger than most people.

I'd probably go 70.

Not 65.

Not 65.

We'd have to retire.

No, people have gotten, people are in much better shape now.

And, but I also, in a weird way, I think it's the right thing to do for people because it takes that anxiety away. It's like, all right, it's time for you to go enjoy your life.
Yeah. 70, you're probably in pretty good shape if you take care of yourself.
Yeah. Go have a nice life.
You don't need to leave this place. Feed first.
And also, the thing I don't like, and this is one of the things I don't like about academia, is that nobody fucking leaves. And so, there isn't room for young stars to advance at rate they should.
Because we have some dude who was the bomb in Gap 1 accounting in 1978 who won't fucking leave. And because he has tenure, we can't fire the guy.
And then he not only becomes unproductive, but is a means of trying to maintain some sort of relevance. He becomes obstructionist and general pain in the ass at faculty meetings.
There are exceptions. Like, for example, I love Robert Reich right now.
I love this whole Robert Reich videos. He's lively.
He's informative. He's 78 years old.
Certain people just shine. Sure.
Take to YouTube. He doesn't need to be a Supreme Court justice.
No, I'm just saying it depends on the person, but you just have a basic age. I think 75 is probably pretty fair, but I can make an argument for 72.
Bring in neurologists who say, look, this is where, this is the thing about age decline, is it's not linear. It really drops fast.
And at what age are people most likely to start really seeing a serious cognitive decline and have an age gap? But it is insane that we would have lower age limits, but we don't have upper age limits. By the way, a couple of the 14-year-old girls my son had over for a Halloween party would have done a better job and had a better command and grasp of the issues facing the Senate than Senator Feinstein.
I mean, there are these stories all over the place. So absolutely for them, for us, for our constitution.
Yeah, we need age limits, 100%. Yeah.
No rock Trump and with Trump. I just can't even go there, Kara.
I'm so fucking triggered. Between surrendering to Putin and measles, I can't even think about what might happen then.
You take this one. Like I said, I think he's going to get one of his kids in i think he's i think he's also old i think he i literally you can see you know he again he's a vigorous declining person i don't see any evidence of that i haven't seen any evidence he's declining he just says things off the cuff i i think he's declining i think he's i think it'll come fast too he's kind of like reagan you didn't see it and then you saw it fast, too.
He's kind of like Reagan.

He didn't see it, and then he saw it kind of thing. He seems vigorous, certainly, but largely because that's the way he's going down.
But to me, he's turning into, he'll be an old man in four years, no matter how he slices it. He just will.
He just will. All right, Scott, one more quick break.
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Scott, we're back with more listener mail. Let's listen to another one.
Hi, Scott and Kara. This is Amy from Newport, Rhode Island.
We've been listening to your show and we love it. Scott, I wanted to ask you about how you're always talking about, you know, men should rise up to be the best men they can and, you know, take responsibility, especially coming from America.
And we were wondering, why don't you run for president? We need someone like you. And I think it'd be great.
Well, you well you know kara i hate to talk about me but um uh god can you imagine how much ass i would get if i was president i couldn't do it as president but post-president um look uh i'll be very transparent i've been approached twice in the last two years by people who said, actually, a firm and a person who said, if you put in $10 million, we'll put in $10 million, not for president, but run for Senate or governor. And let's be honest, I have all the attributes to do this.
I'm a narcissist, and I have outdoor plumbing, and I'm white, which are the three primary considerations for running for office. And also, I have money.
Clever. You're clever and interesting.
Go ahead. I appreciate that.
I appreciate you saying that. Here's the bottom line.
I'm not qualified. I don't have the domain expertise.
I'm not especially good with people. I think you have to be really good with people.
And also, and Kara knows this, this isn't an act, but this is a side of me that is not, in many ways, the real and that is I'm an introvert. And when I'm not on a podcast or on television, I don't enjoy people, I don't get energy from them.
I want to be around a small group of people and kind of on my own. And that does not make for a good politician.
In addition, and I've learned a lot about this from Kara, and Kara has been very generous and helped me kind of develop the platform and the skills to actually make a change. I think Kara and I can actually have more impact from outside of the tent.
And I think right now, if we are thoughtful and fearless and appreciate our blessings as Americans and decide to pipe up and be strong and thoughtful and side experts and be disciplined and show talent, I think we can affect more change in many ways than almost any congressperson and most senators right now. Agreed.
And we reach more people. We reach more people.
That's right. And we wouldn't be very good.
We'd be just so bad. Like a staff.
Can you imagine staff? Like, I hate staff That's the thing. Like and you, and you would, you're shy.
People don't realize Scott is really shy. Interestingly enough, I had coffee with Andrew Yang the other day who talked about you, Scott, in very kind ways and who ran for president.
I was asking if he was going to do it again. He might.
And I thought that was interesting that he did it. It certainly helped him get name recognition and everything else and bringing some good points.
They had a lot of people like him and don't like him, but he definitely got his points out, which were interesting. And then I talked to Mark Cuban about it because a lot of people are asking him.
He polls incredibly well for president. I think Mark should.
I think Mark should. I agree.
I've been trying to get him to run for president. He seems on the record, off the record, it's the same answer.
I don't want to do it. I can have more impact doing what I'm doing.
Actually, Mark, I think you could have more impact running for president. I do.
In your case, you could get those prescriptions. You could do course plus or you could be president and do it.
So we want you to run. And he polls really well.
He's sort of the anti-Elon. No, he's the good billionaire.
He's the billionaire we need right now. Yeah, that's right.
Just selfishly, look at our lives. I can't imagine having a nice life.
Can you imagine running for office and all the shit you have to go through? People talking to you. No.
Oh, my God. I'm shy in a very different way.
I don't want to hear from people a lot of the time, although I love fans. But here's what I'm going to do is I'm going to take what is for me a decent amount of money, which for almost anyone is a lot of money, and I'm going to support moderate candidates and causes.
And I'm moving back to the U.S. in 18 months because I want to be in the fight.
I think that this is an existential crisis, especially I think rich people need to get aggressive. I think it's easy for us to just sort of fold our arms and sit back because the reality is we're going to benefit from the Trump administration.
And I think we need to go a little bit more, be a little bit more aggressive. You have to go beyond it.
You have to go say, look, I have enough and now I'm going to stop this nonsense. Let me just say, I think you should pick a spicy one.
Jasmine Crockett. She just really communicates in a way

that I think is tough and smart and also just double sassy, just something like that. I don't

know what's going on with her, but I turn my head whenever she says something and she handles it

really well and goes just far enough. So I think you should give her some money.
That's my feeling.

All right.

All right. Scott, one more quick break.
We'll be back with one more listener question on jet lag. Today Explained here with Eric Levitt, senior correspondent at Vox.com, to talk about the 2024 election.
That can't be right. Eric, I thought we were done with that.
I feel like I'm Pacino in three. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
Why are we talking about the 2024 election again? The reason why we're still looking back is that it takes a while after an election to get all of the most high quality data on what exactly happened. So the full picture is starting to just come into view now.
And you wrote a piece about the full picture for Vox recently, and it did bonkers business on the internet. What did it say? What struck a chord? Yeah, so this was my interview with David Shore of Blue Rose Research.
He's one of the biggest sort of democratic data gurus in the party. And basically, the big picture headline takeaways are...
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Find the show wherever you listen to shows, bro. Scott, we're back with one more question.
This one comes from Brendan. Let's listen.
Hey, Karen, Scott, this is Brendan calling from Vienna with a bi-continental question, mostly for you, Scott, which is, how on earth do you manage the jet lag? I'm in Vienna. I grew up on the East Coast, and I go back three times a year.
And it seems like the longer I live in Europe, the worse I get at adjusting back.

And then I flip on and pivot, and it seems like this asshole twice my age is going from London to the West Coast to the Middle East, now to Colombia.

And you always seem fresh.

So, like, what is the secret, Scott?

How are you doing it?

Love the insight.

Thanks.

Actually, Cara, you travel as much as I do.

Do you have any thoughts?

I don't sleep as much as other people.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't have as much a sleeping thing.
How many hours a night do you sleep? Four hours, five hours. Sometimes I sleep a long time.
I might want to sleep after this show. You really only sleep four or five hours a night? I'm Martha.
Martha Stewart's the same way she's telling me. I don't know.
I don't have any tricks for jet lag. I just get on the schedule.
That's the only thing I do is wherever I'm landing in Australia soon, I'm going to get on their schedule no matter how tired I am. And so I get on the schedule and that's what I do.
Can't think of anything. You would know better than I.
Yeah. So first off, it is a real issue.
I have been, as I joke, molesting the earth for 30 years. I travel a lot.
And there is no, I found there's no silver bullet. There's a few tricks.
The first is, quite frankly, is just a message of privilege. And that is I no longer do red eyes, or I try not to.
I will take, when I come back from New York to London, I'll fly in the morning and I'll do a little bit of work and a little bit of nap, you know, take a nap. And I also don't fly into places just for the night any longer.
I'll go somewhere and I'll stay one or two days to adjust. But I have some general go-tos that they say are what you're supposed to do.
The first is I try not to drink alcohol, especially on the plane. I try to drink a ton of water and hydrate.
As soon as I get to the place where I'm going, I try to work out. Even if it's just doing, I try and do a hundred burpees in less than 12 or 14 minutes when I get into my hotel room, if the gym's not open, but I try and immediately exercise.
I find sweating really helps. And then if at all possible, even if it's just taking a walk, just going outside and putting my face in the sun for 10 to 12 months and some exercise slash sweating, hydration, and getting

your face, getting in the sun, if there's sun wherever you are. But it's something I struggle

with. And also, and it just helps to have money finally.
I used to literally fly to Paris for a

night, fly back if I had a meeting at LVMH or wherever. Now I don't do that.
I will spend a couple of days. I enjoy myself.
I sleep in. Also, I use sleep aids.
I either take, if it's a nation that allows CBD or marijuana, I take half, five milligrams edible before I go to sleep to help me sleep. If it's not, I'll sometimes take a half of a Lunesta, but I find you got to get some sleep, even if it means using a sleep aid.
So one of the things that people are, if you want to go for other things, there's certain things people recommend. There's something called Fly Kit that has kind of things like that.
A lot of people say you should eat high protein when you get there, low carb meals. There's all kinds of tricks.
There's a lot of great stuff online. Other people talk about fasting.
Some people said eating, lights. They think you should wear some of the glasses sometime.
There's all kinds of things, but there are also just some hacks of doing them. And I think I do overnight things because I want to get home to the family and I know it it's going to affect me.
But mostly, two things, I get on the schedule. You just can't help you regulate.
You stay awake when the sun is up and you go to sleep if it's down, and you drink a lot of water. That's another thing.
That's always the answer to everything, drinking water. Anyway, that was a great question.
And let's move on. Before we go,

some messages we've gotten from Canadians recently. And let me just tell you, we love

Canada. We don't want you to be the 51st state.
You're a great country, no matter what that

We should be the 11th province.

Just that jackass Elon said, we should be the 11th. We should.
We would like to join Canada

as the United States. But so let's listen to our Canadian friends.

Hi, this is Alex from Vancouver, Canada. Long-time listener, first-time caller.
Huge fans of both of you. And I can't tell you how wonderful it was today to be hiking with my dog in the BC mountains, at the same time wondering how we came to this shitty place that we seem to be in geopolitically.
And then to hear Scott's impassioned treatise on the U.S.-Canada hockey game, and you're right, it was definitely more than a game to us, and then have him enumerate all the ways in which Canada and the U.S. have had such an extraordinary partnership.
Yeah, it was great. I mean, we know there are as many of you on the side of reason and sanity.
And as there are those who support all the nonsense from your idiot in chief, but it's still really great to hear you say all the things we hoped that you're thinking. So thank you.
We appreciate you to keep doing all the things you're doing. And you're welcome up here anytime.
I am coming to Toronto soon just for the donuts. We love Canadians.
One more along the same lines. Hi, Karen, Scott.
This isn't a question. It's more of a comment.
My name is Adam, and I'm from Kitchener, Waterloo, Canada, where the Blackberry was invented and where I saw Kara speak a number of years ago. I'm a huge fan of your podcast.
Scott, as a Canadian, I just wanted to let you know, and I'm going to try not to get too emotional here, how much it meant for you to list all the ways that Canada has supported the Americans over the course of our long friendship. Canada needed that hockey win and it's my sincere wish that Canada and the U.S., both the men's and winning teams, meet in the gold medal finals on much friendlier terms in Milan, Italy next year and we play for nothing more than the love of the game.
This too shall pass and for all the Americans listening, please know how much it means to Canadians right now to have your support so I would encourage you vocalize that to us, to remind us that our relationship will get through this challenging period.

Thank you for listening to this and keep up the great work.

It's nice.

Oh, I'm crying, Scott. The Canadians are so nice.
If Canada did that to America, we'd be like,

we're going to come up there and cut off your heads. Instead, they're like,

thank you so much for being nice to us. Like, that's why they need to run our country.
Well, you know what it means when you're only attracted to Canadians? What? It means you're asexual. That was great, Scott.
Many people mentioned that. That was a really great thing.
That was great. Sucking up to the Canadians.
Canada first welcomed my mom and dad independently when they immigrated from Glasgow and London. And I had a terrible time when I visited Canada, said no one ever.
I would suggest anybody. If you want to go to a beautiful place with friendly people and great food, Montreal is the most European city in North America.
Poutine. Toronto is essentially like a clean, friendly New York.
Vancouver is arguably one of the most beautiful cities in the world. And up, where's Whistler? Where's way up in the mountains up there? What's that? British Columbia is so beautiful.
So beautiful. But yeah, it's just, it's, I, every year, I went to Formula One in Montreal.
I always, I always take the excuse whenever I get invited to speak in Toronto. I just absolutely distinct of the alliance.
It's just a great place to visit, a great place to vacation. And also, you know, whether it's Michael J.
Fox or Alan Thicke or Brian Adams, there's just so many we've just benefited from so many talented Canadians.ians but i have um uh karen i really appreciate that i we clearly struck a nerve i've had several people come up to me on the street and say and say that they were that they that they were very appreciative of those comments so uh and also just on behalf of almost every sane american distinct to what you're hearing the majority of americans deep down really do feel very positive about Canada and Canadians. We don't want you as a state.
And also, Banff, that's where I went, Banff. Scott, what country are you going to suck up to next? Brazil, because I'm about to go back.
Okay. Brazil and Canada.
And that's maybe where I'll end up. If Bannon finally convinces the Trump administration to come after me, I'm either moving to Florinopolis or Montreal.
I don't know. Okay.
All right. Okay.
Well, I'll visit you there when you're in Orlando. Brazil or Canada.
Okay. All right.
Anyway, we really appreciate all the questions, especially from the Canadians. Thank you so much.
Send us more. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question.
Oh, by the way, Scott, I was, I was, my first marriage was in Canada because they, they wouldn't marry gays here. I love Canada.
It's the best place. Married in Niagara Falls.
You got married in Canada? I did because you know what? Oh, you got married, my parents got married in Niagara Falls. Let me just say what happened was they were so hostile to gay marriage here in this country and so mean.
And we had already had Louis. I had been pregnant i had louie we go up to canada get married and like we go to the like the clerk and we're just poised for anger at us right and instead they're like oh this is great we're so happy you're gonna get married they were so nice and it was such a big fucking deal to me that they were so decent and it was was like 30 miles from the fucking United States, who was such an asshole to us as a family, right?

And it was just the whole experience was lovely.

And then we went on Maid of the Mist, and every single person was amazing.

There was a donut store next door to where we had married.

The donuts were delicious.

That was a big moment for me because the kindness was needed, especially starting a family. Anyway, thank you, Ken.
I think that's a wonderful story. I also have a story about Niagara.
I actually crossed the Niagara Falls on a tightrope, and it reminded me of getting a blowjob from a 90-year-old. And that is, you did not want to look down, Kara.
You did not want to look down. What? You ruin my beautiful marriage story with the terrible blowjob story?

Once again.

Once again.

Niagara, the ED drug for women.

Canna, you were wonderful to me at the time.

It meant a lot.

Hold on.

I got a worse one.

Niagara, the ED drug for women.

Keeps them wet for three days.

Oh, my God.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

That's bad.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

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but I think that's never happening.

Eh?

Eh?

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