Trump’s Hurricane of Lies

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Speaker 5 What's up, Michigan?

Speaker 6 Welcome to Pod Save America.

Speaker 7 I'm John Favreau.

Speaker 8 I'm Leah Littman.

Speaker 9 I'm John Lovett.

Speaker 10 I'm Tommy Vitor.

Speaker 10 I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

Speaker 5 We got a great show for you tonight. Your next senator from the state of Michigan, Alyssa Slockin, is here.

Speaker 11 And we're so lucky to have tonight University of Michigan legal scholar and strict strict scrutiny co-host Ann Arbor's very own, Leah Lippmann.

Speaker 13 All right, guys, we are 30 days out from the election.

Speaker 15 How's everyone feeling?

Speaker 5 We're going to win?

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 16 So the vibes in this race have gone from bad in the spring to great in the summer to

Speaker 18 extremely anxious right now.

Speaker 11 NBC News reports that the Harris campaign is planning on using these final weeks to quote more aggressively attack Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 You guys like that.

Speaker 9 It's not for you.

Speaker 13 Well,

Speaker 11 they see it as the best way to win over the small but decisive group of undecided voters because, as one Harris campaign official said to NBC of this extremely close race, quote, the numbers aren't moving.

Speaker 11 Harris certainly made the contrast with Trump clear here in Michigan on Friday.

Speaker 18 She did a rally in Flint and Detroit.

Speaker 7 In Flint, she was with Michigan state legend Magic Johnson.

Speaker 16 And she attacked Trump's record on labor and manufacturing. Let's listen.

Speaker 28 Donald Trump's track record is a disaster for working people.

Speaker 28 And he's trying to gaslight people all over our country. But we know the facts and we know the truth.

Speaker 28 He is an existential threat to America's labor movement. America lost nearly 200,000 manufacturing jobs when he was president,

Speaker 28 including tens of thousands of jobs in Michigan.

Speaker 28 And those losses started before the pandemic,

Speaker 28 making Donald Trump one of the biggest losers

Speaker 28 of manufacturing jobs

Speaker 28 in American history.

Speaker 15 She really leaned into that losers thing, huh?

Speaker 11 Really leaned in.

Speaker 11 So Dan, the Harris campaign told NBC that internal research is showing that the most effective message for voters, for undecided voters, the ones they're still trying to persuade, is that Trump is unstable, which is a bit of a shift in thinking thinking from the conventional wisdom we've talked about up until now, that people have already made up their minds about Trump and the best message is about Kamala Harris, her values, and what she'd do as president.

Speaker 6 What do you think?

Speaker 10 This is a shift, but I don't think it's as dramatic a shift as people think it is because up to this point, Kamala Harris has run most of her ads been positive, but about half of them have had some form of negative in them, usually either a fully negative ad on Trump or contrast ad that has some positive about her and some negative about Trump.

Speaker 10 But the order in which she did this makes sense, which is when Kamal Harris got in this race, she was an unknown figure to most of the country. And she was also a deeply unpopular figure.

Speaker 10 Her approval ratings were no better than Biden's.

Speaker 10 And so over the course of the last few months here, they ran, she was out campaigning, there was a convention, there was a debate, and they ran tens of millions of dollars of ads to teach people about her, who she is, her values, her visions, and her policies.

Speaker 12 And that worked spectacularly.

Speaker 10 Her approval rating went up 16 points.

Speaker 10 She now is a net net favorability, and she's much more popular than Trump.

Speaker 10 And you have to establish that bit of credibility with the electorate before you can start making negative ads, because they're not going to believe you.

Speaker 10 And also, the other side's negative ads will be more effective because they are filling in a vacuum. And so we are now in the closing argument phase of the campaign.

Speaker 10 We are 30 days away from the election. And so now is the time to make the argument against Trump.
It doesn't mean she's going to stop talking about herself. Like she's going to do that.

Speaker 10 These events will still be positive ads because the New York Times post-debate poll said that a quarter of voters still want to learn more about her.

Speaker 10 But there are voters, and I know this is hard to believe, but there are voters who feel like they need to learn more about Trump. And it's about one in ten, it's true, it's about one in ten voters.

Speaker 10 And those voters are not, and there's so much bad shit about Trump.

Speaker 10 Like we were just talking on the last podcast about the unsealed filing that Jack Smith made, which is basically has Trump cheering on the hanging of Mike Pence. And these 10 voters, this one

Speaker 10 attempted hanging, yes.

Speaker 32 No thanks to Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 We like to be fact first here.

Speaker 10 Before we get to the sectional conspiracy theories later.

Speaker 10 And these voters are not going to hear this negative information about Trump by reading it in the news or listening to it on a podcast.

Speaker 10 The only way to show it to him is to pay for it, to put it in their feed when they're scoring social media, to put it on YouTube when they're looking at videos, to put it on TV when they're watching college football games.

Speaker 10 And so this is the right thing to do.

Speaker 10 And I do think that the unstable message is interesting because it's happening in a time of sort of increased chaos around the world, insecurity about what's happening, a hurricane here,

Speaker 10 violent, you know, attacks in the Middle East. And it's worth reminding people that Donald Trump is not just some normal Republican with differing views on healthcare in Texas.

Speaker 10 He is a dangerous individual, right? He is a deranged, declining, pretty dumb guy at a very dangerous time. And if we can't run away from that,

Speaker 9 and I do think that, like,

Speaker 9 to Dan's point, of this is not that much of a shift.

Speaker 12 Cool it.

Speaker 9 That a lot of this is not trying to teach people that Donald Trump is unstable.

Speaker 9 It is reminding people that Donald Trump is unstable, reaffirming what they already believe about Donald Trump, and making an argument about why it's important, right?

Speaker 9 It's not changing people's minds about Trump. It's affirming their instincts about him in a way that is persuasive, which is really just, I think,

Speaker 9 a continuation of what they've already been doing.

Speaker 19 Leah,

Speaker 15 you live here, so you've been inundated with ads and talking to plenty of people about the race. What are you hearing?

Speaker 14 And what do you think of the strategy?

Speaker 30 So, first, I just have to say something about the weirdest ad I have seen repeatedly.

Speaker 30 There is an ad that runs on cable that tells me to vote for Donald Trump, and it's a woman who's a healthcare provider, and she tells me that under Joe Biden, she had to provide health care to someone she didn't want to.

Speaker 30 And I pause and I think, you are running an ad that reminds people you want to deny people health care, right?

Speaker 30 Like when you want to weaken the Affordable Care Act, you want to send women to emergency rooms where they can't obtain health care. This is nuts.
And yet, this is the ad I see repeatedly.

Speaker 30 On the strategy of going negative on some level, I like it. You know, I like to be reminded that there is room in the Democratic Party for shit posters and mean girls.
like I feel very seen.

Speaker 30 On the other hand,

Speaker 30 I think focusing on Trump and Trump being uniquely bad misses an opportunity to remind people what the Democratic Party has done in Michigan and could do still. Because we have had, yes.

Speaker 30 Our Democratic legislature has done clean energy reform.

Speaker 30 They have expanded voting rights.

Speaker 30 They have protected the queer community in Michigan.

Speaker 30 And they've done all of this with a small majority. So we need to keep the state house blue.

Speaker 30 And

Speaker 30 we also need to focus on the down ballot races, which again aren't about Trump. There's a nonpartisan section on the Michigan ballot for the Michigan Supreme Court.

Speaker 30 And the reason why we have a reproductive freedom for all amendment in Michigan is because the Michigan Supreme Court ordered the board of canvassers to allow the people to vote on the amendment.

Speaker 30 The Michigan Supreme Court is a critical, critical race. And Justice Kyra Bolden and

Speaker 30 Kimberly and Thomas are the justices we need on the Michigan Supreme Court. So, Kyra and Kim for the win.
It's not just about Trump being a shitty, dumb, deranged individual.

Speaker 34 And we got to spend some time with them today. They are so, so impressive.
You're not just getting to vote for them, you're getting to vote for really amazingly qualified people.

Speaker 14 Easy to remember.

Speaker 11 Kyra and Kim for the win.

Speaker 9 I didn't meet them because I was in Ohio.

Speaker 12 I can't believe it.

Speaker 12 Great time.

Speaker 9 He had a great time in Ohio. He was at a Buckeyes game.

Speaker 33 Speaking of going negative,

Speaker 27 I do think there's a way to combine both, which is, we've talked about this, but the most effective testing ads are not just negative ads about Trump.

Speaker 25 They're not just positive ads about Kamala Harris.

Speaker 13 They are contrast ads where you, again, you need to frame the election as a choice.

Speaker 18 Here's the future under Trump.

Speaker 17 Here's the future under Kamala Harris.

Speaker 27 And it's not even just reminding people about Trump.

Speaker 20 It's like every single day he gives us new material so that Kamala Harris can stand up there and say, this is what you'll get for another four years if you elect him, and this is what you'll get if you elect me.

Speaker 22 So I think that you could probably do both.

Speaker 26 Love it.

Speaker 24 Kamala was focused on an economic contrast with Trump here in Michigan.

Speaker 25 She also talked about the great economic news we got this week.

Speaker 17 250,000 jobs created last month, unemployment down, wages up 4%

Speaker 20 from a year ago.

Speaker 24 Polls have consistently shown that most voters still don't feel great about the economy, and they tend to trust Trump more on the issue, though that gap has narrowed considerably since Kamala Harris has become the nominee, especially in the last month.

Speaker 14 Do you think that shifting in terms of what she should be able to say, can Kamala make economic progress part of her closing argument about the choice between her and Trump?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think she is doing that. And

Speaker 9 the point that Dan made, I mean, a shift in approval of a politician of this magnitude in this short extent, it's extraordinary. Never before seen.
Nothing like that has happened before. And actually,

Speaker 9 in more subtle ways, I think the same thing is happening in this economic argument. There was a poll that came out today or yesterday that showed that among women for the first time,

Speaker 36 they believe.

Speaker 9 They believe Kamala Harris's policies on the economy are better than Donald Trump's policies on the economy.

Speaker 9 There's an AP poll from last week where she's basically kind of fought to Evan on whose policies would be better for you.

Speaker 9 The other part of this is that most people do not have a clean line in their mind between where

Speaker 9 an economic policy ends and a healthcare policy begins. She's been out there hammering the contrast on health care.

Speaker 9 And if you're going to make prescription drugs more affordable, that is an economic issue.

Speaker 36 So

Speaker 9 I think it's incredible how much progress they've made and how different this campaign sounds on the economy than the Biden campaign sounded on the economy.

Speaker 9 Is it possible for her to win on this issue? Maybe, but maybe also she doesn't have to, right? Like we need to win on health care and abortion. We need to win on these issues of extremism and

Speaker 9 stability.

Speaker 9 We have a deficit on immigration. We have a deficit on the economy, but it seems like she's doing the things that you would do to try to fight to a draw.

Speaker 10 I'd say, I think the interesting change here is when it was Biden versus Trump, it was a choice between the past and the present, the Trump economy and the Biden economy.

Speaker 10 What Kamala Harris has done is she has tried to make it a choice about the future, right?

Speaker 10 And what she, because we could argue all day about what the macroeconomic numbers say about the economy and how people feel.

Speaker 10 And you're not going to convince people that what they feel is not real because prices are still high.

Speaker 10 Inflation is down, but the prices have remained high. And so the key here is about who's going to fight for you in the future between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 And she has framed that, which is why she's narrowed the gap in a way.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Tommy, a lot of nervous Democrats, which is all Democrats,

Speaker 25 have been urging the Harris Walls campaign to get the candidate out there, doing more interviews, more events, more of everything.

Speaker 21 Kamala's sitting down with 60 Minutes on Monday night.

Speaker 35 She's got a Univision Town Hall on Thursday.

Speaker 24 And she apparently just recorded an episode of Alex Cooper's massive podcast, Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 34 Get the daddy gang in the house.

Speaker 36 All right.

Speaker 11 Does all that count as being out there more?

Speaker 13 Are there other places she should go? Other people she should sit down with?

Speaker 17 Aside from Pod Save America, of course.

Speaker 12 Of course.

Speaker 34 Thank you for that pity booking applause.

Speaker 34 We do want to know why 60 Minutes is on on Monday.

Speaker 34 The thing about 60 Minutes is it's usually on on Sunday, which comes after a football game, which gets them a big audience, but we won't complain too much.

Speaker 34 Yes, I mean, so I've talked to the Harris campaign and Tim Wallace's people a lot about this. What happened was Joe Biden drops out on July 21st.
They have to, she has to get the nomination.

Speaker 34 She has to pick a VP. They have to vet them.
They have to do a plan a convention, a convention speech, and then prepare for the debate.

Speaker 34 And then Walls goes down a similar path, and his debate happens on October 1st. And so basically, their bet was...

Speaker 34 The debates were going to be the single biggest moments of the campaign with the most eyeballs on the candidates. So they had to do well.

Speaker 34 Now that they are past those big moments, they're going to do do more interviews. And I think that Call Her Daddy is a really good idea.

Speaker 34 I mean, she should do more traditional interviews like the 60 Minutes, like the Univision Town Hall. They should be gaggling with their traveling press corps every couple of days.

Speaker 34 They should talk to all the local press they can possibly talk to. I mean, Kamala Harris already started doing that.
She did local Philly TV. It was, I think, her first interview.

Speaker 34 But then they have to think: okay,

Speaker 34 what's the audience we need? Who are the voters we need? And how do we reach them?

Speaker 34 And And so I imagine for Call Her Daddy, they know that there's probably a lot of people watching or listening to that show who don't know that abortion is

Speaker 34 under threat in this country.

Speaker 34 And they don't know that Donald Trump is going to, you know, make sure that they don't have access to it in every state, let alone sort of the patchwork of laws that we have now.

Speaker 34 And they need to reach them. They also know that a lot of the persuadable voters that still exist are women under 50 without college degrees who are independents.

Speaker 34 And they think, okay, how do we find those people and sort of reverse engineer a strategy from that? Kamala Harris also did a show called All the Smoke. It's an NBA-focused podcast.

Speaker 34 I imagine they did that because they know that she's been struggling with younger men, black and Latino men in particular. And people who watch that show are there to consume NBA news or sports news.

Speaker 34 They probably don't get a lot of political news in their lives. And that's a way to reach them or reach an audience that they might not talk to ever, except for through paid media.

Speaker 34 So I think the critique of the campaign was a little bit unfair before

Speaker 34 the debates. Now it's legitimate, but they are clearly hitting the gas, and I think they need to do more.
But, you know, this is a good start.

Speaker 30 I love the call her daddy thing. Like, it's not strict scrutiny, but

Speaker 30 it's really awesome because I think it drives home the contrast between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are the party that allows you have fun and are normies, right?

Speaker 30 Like you can like Taylor Swift, beer, football, freedom, and all of these things and have fun and be a Democrat. Whereas the Republicans are going on these like men's rights in-cell podcasts.

Speaker 30 Like we get a new clip from JD Vance every week from some weird podcast he went on saying weird shit. And so Kamala Harris is doing a cool podcast and it's going to be fun and awesome.

Speaker 30 And so I like the contrast.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 25 We will be back in a bit with more news.

Speaker 12 And we're back.

Speaker 9 This week, Donald Trump started several new conspiracies. Wouldn't you know it, Laura Ingram was standing by to help spread the bad word.

Speaker 9 So now it's time to break it down in a segment we call, okay, stop.

Speaker 9 Let's see.

Speaker 9 Let's see how Fox News handled its duty to viewers during this serious natural disaster.

Speaker 9 Wait, okay, stop.

Speaker 12 Yes!

Speaker 9 It's not the clip we talked about.

Speaker 23 It's about time.

Speaker 20 It's about time.

Speaker 9 That's not the clip we talked about.

Speaker 34 What is that? What do we see on the screen?

Speaker 9 It seems like there's somebody who's about to

Speaker 31 gone too soon,

Speaker 9 run into some mud. All right, well, let's roll the clip.

Speaker 7 Okay, stop.

Speaker 2 Did that hurt?

Speaker 34 That looked like it hurt when your hair was rubbing against the net and you were all muddy.

Speaker 9 It's more on the knees and the legs. It's very, you're in the gravel.
It's mud, but under the mud, it's dirt. You can't see what's down there.

Speaker 9 And also lifting these giant, we're about to see it, but lifting these giant cubes, they did me a nice job in the edit because when I was whipping this rope off of the column, I really, I really got Rachel in the face.

Speaker 9 And just she got hit in the face with a rope. And then Jeff said something on screen where he compared me to an a movie cowboy.
And I said, I think I said, shut up, Jeff.

Speaker 14 Oh my god.

Speaker 26 Okay, that's really cool. Let's keep rolling this.

Speaker 23 John, whipping that rope.

Speaker 23 Wow.

Speaker 23 Sierra and an Andy.

Speaker 26 Okay, stop.

Speaker 11 So, is that the only outfit that got dirty

Speaker 9 the whole time? No, there are other outfits that also got dirty.

Speaker 9 As you know, I did miss three dinners.

Speaker 9 I just want to point that out. This is a very funny moment because Sam is like, is there mud on my lip?

Speaker 21 And I'm like, Yeah.

Speaker 26 Mud on your whole body, man.

Speaker 12 Mud all over you. Am I

Speaker 11 so you got a little annoyed with Sammy for asking that and then you almost hit Rachel with the

Speaker 13 I did hit Rachel so we're wondering why you got voted off

Speaker 9 I don't think anybody's wondering why I got voted off all right

Speaker 9 It felt like baptism by mud. Like, we're gonna win this challenge and every challenge that follows.
My name is AF Lee. I live in Boston right now.

Speaker 9 We don't really know each other, but this is a tribe that can win challenges because we did. I live in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 In Weho?

Speaker 9 No, I started in Weho, where all the gays go. I was

Speaker 9 Annika has gotten a lot of shit for that because it's like, I'm gay and I'm from Los Angeles. We hoe, no, not Weho.

Speaker 9 But she didn't deserve it.

Speaker 27 Yeah, no, I think she was just trying to make conversation.

Speaker 39 But here you go.

Speaker 20 I want to see this part. This is great.

Speaker 19 Grip oil.

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 9 And then I started a podcast called Pod Save America.

Speaker 23 I grew up with the name.

Speaker 9 Well, how many of you listen to it?

Speaker 23 I haven't

Speaker 23 even made it. Okay, so.

Speaker 23 I...

Speaker 11 When I first saw this and heard this, I was in tears.

Speaker 32 I almost pissed my pants.

Speaker 6 Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 11 I like the person just trying, like, I should pretend that I've listened to his fucking podcast.

Speaker 9 They'd all heard of it.

Speaker 12 They'd heard of it. Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 9 They'd heard of it.

Speaker 10 Did you change the way you speak to go on survivor? You have like a new tone of voice, a new voice.

Speaker 12 It's this. Like your diction is different.

Speaker 11 Then I kind of started a podcast.

Speaker 5 It's like no big deal.

Speaker 9 Homophobic. Homophobic.

Speaker 9 Never do that impression again.

Speaker 9 Shame on you.

Speaker 11 I hate the spotlight. The other one's named after me.

Speaker 9 Never said I hate the spotlight. Never said I hate the spotlight.

Speaker 12 How big could it be?

Speaker 9 That's a funny thing to say. I'm not, what do you want me to do? It's very, very popular.
We sell out

Speaker 9 theaters in Ann Arbor.

Speaker 9 What's that going to do for me?

Speaker 9 I'm trying to keep it light. Shut up.

Speaker 12 Roll the clip.

Speaker 23 How big could it be?

Speaker 9 I feel like your podcast is huge, right?

Speaker 12 That's huge.

Speaker 12 What are you supposed to say?

Speaker 9 Shut up. What was that? What would you, what do you say there? Yes, it's huge.
It's always at the top of the charts.

Speaker 12 It's us fighting it out with Michael Barbaro.

Speaker 9 Yeah, there we are.

Speaker 11 There's your best friend.

Speaker 6 Your best friend, Andy.

Speaker 10 I want you to know when I got to the hotel last night, I turned on the TV and Survivor was on. Andy, still going strong.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I'm aware.

Speaker 12 I'm aware.

Speaker 9 And we wish him the best wherever he is.

Speaker 6 And our special guest for tonight,

Speaker 12 Jerry Springer. That's great.

Speaker 9 I will say the one, the silver lining to all of this, Leah, is

Speaker 9 your silence noted, is that

Speaker 9 imagine what we would have done with every episode of just material. I just, I don't know that I could have survived it.

Speaker 26 I know.

Speaker 9 I couldn't survive the survivor, but I don't know that I could have survived watching it.

Speaker 9 Connect with two people. It would actually be very hard to get moated voted out.

Speaker 23 I'm five.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah? Yeah. I'm gay.

Speaker 23 I remember vibe. I'm five.

Speaker 23 Do you know that one?

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 23 I'm not that old. Oh, my God.
I'm so old.

Speaker 9 I know I love vine.

Speaker 23 I remember vinegar. I didn't know about vine.

Speaker 9 That's right. I was still a young person.
Looking at my tribe, I'm realizing I'm not getting to know a group of people. I'm getting to know a group of young people.
I am 41 years old.

Speaker 9 Okay, so I'm old now. No, I really like vine.
I like vine. There's so much back in my day stuff coming out of my mouth, but being a speechwriter,

Speaker 12 you need to be.

Speaker 30 Your interactions with them in this scene, I'm really sorry. They remind me of J.D.
Vance in the donut shop.

Speaker 12 Oh.

Speaker 12 Oh, fuck you.

Speaker 12 Fuck you.

Speaker 12 Fuck you. Oh, are you sorry? You're not sorry.
I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry.

Speaker 9 Oh, please.

Speaker 12 Unbelievable.

Speaker 9 How dare you?

Speaker 30 The rule said you weren't going to fact-check me.

Speaker 38 This is the moment when we were watching where Emily was just like, oh, they gave him the old edit.

Speaker 9 Finish the fucking thing. Able to put yourself in other people's shoes.
I'm addicted to TikTok. First person voted out of survive the 47, John.
That's four. That's enough.
Need to bring me your torch.

Speaker 23 I look good. I look good there, though.
Chopspoken.

Speaker 30 Okay, stop.

Speaker 30 I'll say something nice.

Speaker 36 Okay.

Speaker 30 If Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing, you could still win, Survivor.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 23 I agree.

Speaker 26 I agree.

Speaker 9 Learn bright and fast.

Speaker 9 Time for you to go. All right.

Speaker 23 Yeah. Bye, James.

Speaker 6 Just like, okay, I am the host here.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 37 I like you, but I am the host.

Speaker 26 Amazing.

Speaker 31 Look at Andy. Good job, Andy.

Speaker 33 What a dick.

Speaker 23 That guy sucks. No, hey, hey,

Speaker 9 we wish Andy.

Speaker 32 Don't talk that way about one of Lovett's closest friends.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's my best friend you're talking about.

Speaker 12 And that's okay, stop.

Speaker 12 Woo!

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Speaker 6 So while Kamala Harris was here in Michigan, Trump spent his Friday in Georgia and North Carolina focused on his core message, a new conspiracy theory that the federal government isn't helping people who've been devastated by Hurricane Helene because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris spent all the money on people who came here illegally.

Speaker 11 Trump has been spreading this garbage.

Speaker 26 everywhere.

Speaker 20 Elon Musk has been promoting even crazier conspiracies on Twitter.

Speaker 11 Marjorie Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted this about Democrats, quote, yes, they can control the weather.

Speaker 18 It's ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can't be done.

Speaker 14 That is ridiculous.

Speaker 12 Hey, John, first of all, shame on you.

Speaker 9 That's not about Democrats.

Speaker 34 It's about Jews.

Speaker 12 Yes, that's.

Speaker 12 Shanatova.

Speaker 6 I've heard mixed stuff about that.

Speaker 13 I've heard other people say that she was talking about Democrats.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Both.

Speaker 9 I think.

Speaker 41 Anyway. Who is the space lasers? Yeah.

Speaker 33 You did the money.

Speaker 26 Well, we know that, yes.

Speaker 33 Anyway, even though FEMA, journalists, Democratic, and Republican officials in the affected states, including Republican officials who support Trump, keep begging Trump, Elon, others to stop spreading these lies, Trump refuses.

Speaker 20 Here he is on Friday.

Speaker 42 It's been a terrible response from the White House.

Speaker 42 They're missing a billion dollars that was used for another purpose, and nobody's seen anything like that. Now, from that standpoint, it's been terrible.

Speaker 42 Now, a lot of the money that was supposed to go to Georgia and supposed to go to North Carolina and all of the others is going and has gone already.

Speaker 42 It's been gone for people that came into the country illegally. Look, we have a president that he spends most of his time on the beach sleeping.
I never saw a guy could sleep in front of a camera.

Speaker 42 Does anybody think of it? I don't sleep that much. I toss and turn.
I think, I think, I think. I'm always thinking.
Do you ever do that?

Speaker 42 You're sweating and you're thinking and you're trying to figure out how to beat this one, that. look how to make our country great.
But I toss and I turn.

Speaker 9 I think he's confusing thinking and acid reflux.

Speaker 12 That's I think you're describing anxiety? Yeah.

Speaker 11 I don't know. He's just he's trying to think.

Speaker 35 He's losing sleep trying to figure out how to make this country great.

Speaker 9 Tossing and turning. It's a lot of that.
It's a hard.

Speaker 12 It's a lot of

Speaker 33 thinking coke.

Speaker 12 I think it's the diet coke.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he's having diet coke too late in the day.

Speaker 6 Tommy, what is the truth here?

Speaker 17 Did the White House send a hurricane to devastate Trump supporters and then spend all our disaster relief money registering non-citizens to vote?

Speaker 22 Is that what happened?

Speaker 36 Yes.

Speaker 9 It's obviously

Speaker 34 such a brazen and unbelievable lie.

Speaker 34 And of course, with all Trump lies, there is an element of projection because in 2019, he did divert a bunch of DHS disaster relief money to the southern border to build detention facilities for migrants.

Speaker 34 So maybe that's part of this. But the administration, the Biden administration has already allocated $110 million for disaster relief.
That is just the very beginning.

Speaker 34 But Biden has also told Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Virginia that the federal government is going to cover 100% of the costs of things like debris removal, first responders, emergency food and shelter.

Speaker 34 So there's way more money to come.

Speaker 34 But as you noted, like Elon Musk,

Speaker 34 Trump, Mark Robinson, like the worst people in Republican politics, thank you for hissing at those people, are spreading these conspiracy theories.

Speaker 34 And the result is you have Republicans in North Carolina begging them to stop, begging them, because this is not just a political problem. You have people

Speaker 34 calling these offices, you know, people who are in need, who are stranded, who are worried, calling their local officials saying, I'm reading that FEMA is going to repossess my assets or take over my farm.

Speaker 34 And they're flooding these lines, and people can't get good information. They can't get the help they need.
Local offices are being inundated. So this is a real problem that's putting people at risk.

Speaker 34 And so,

Speaker 34 you know,

Speaker 34 what seems to have happened is the Republican Party has turned into just a bunch of Alex Joneses. You know, it is the worst of the worst, spreading the biggest bullshit.

Speaker 34 And, you know, we went, we spent years having Republicans tell us that social media was lefty and rigged.

Speaker 34 And now you've got Elon Musk buying Twitter. You've got Facebook no longer caring about content moderation.
God knows what's happening on TikTok. And this is kind of the like

Speaker 34 lay of the land going into an election where we're going to have some very close calls and delayed election results. And it's pretty unnerving.

Speaker 24 Yeah, it's been, if anyone has seen this on Twitter or on TikTok, it is a nightmare. Some of the conspiracies are even, like some of them are are funny.
They're so crazy. Some of them are not.

Speaker 24 There's one about how the government directed the hurricane to western North Carolina because there's lithium there.

Speaker 21 And so they wanted to destroy the town so they could get the lithium and I guess then make batteries.

Speaker 9 It all goes back to the electric cars.

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 16 there's stories that they're confiscating people's homes.

Speaker 21 The FEMA's going and taking people's homes.

Speaker 25 Like it's it's wild. Dan, the White House has been working really hard to debunk these conspiracies and show the president, vice president, FEMA doing everything they can to help.

Speaker 21 Kamala Harris today is in North Carolina meeting with first responders, FEMA, Roy Cooper.

Speaker 20 But of course, we know how easily disinformation, misinformation spreads in this environment. How much does all this worry you?

Speaker 25 And is there anything else you think they could be doing?

Speaker 10 Well, John, I know you're famously offline, so you may not know this, but our information ecosystem is pretty shitty. Yeah.

Speaker 33 I mean, we really are at a point where there are no rules, no regulations, no referees.

Speaker 10 It's like Mad Max Fury Road out there. And

Speaker 10 it's a huge problem, and it's not going to get fixed anytime soon because this is one case where the traditional political press can deservedly get a lot of shit for how they cover things, but they are out there pushing back on this left and right.

Speaker 10 And it doesn't matter because

Speaker 10 their reach is so diminished from what it was before, and their credibility is so diminished that the people most likely to believe this stuff are the least likely to believe the press.

Speaker 10 In fact, they usually view a fact check from the press as evidence of the conspiracy because the media would be in on it. And so we're going to live in this world for a long time politically.

Speaker 10 And it is, as Tommy sort of referenced, it is very scary when you think about the election and the sort of conspiracy theories about voter fraud and

Speaker 10 whatever else Trump wants to put out there to try to set up the big lie 2.0 is going to spread around faster with fewer checks than it did in 2020 exponentially.

Speaker 10 And so the question is, what do you do about it? And there are no easy answers here. And so the two things I would say is: one,

Speaker 10 all of us have agency here.

Speaker 10 You know, we're not, I'm not suggesting that people here in the audience or listening today try to convince their deeply red-pilled uncle about this stuff, but you're going to, there are a whole bunch of people in your lives who are checking into politics right now for the first time, and they're going to have some questions.

Speaker 10 And they're more likely to trust you than they are to trust CNN or the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal or someone like that.

Speaker 10 So we should think about ourselves as the fact checkers for our friends. And I think that's really important because we have real power to influence the people we know.

Speaker 10 The second thing is

Speaker 10 it's very hard because if you're in the perspective of the White House or the Harris campaign or just Democrats morebrella, you don't want to go around playing whack-a-mole on all these things because you'll never get your message out.

Speaker 10 You're just,

Speaker 10 and just if your whole campaign can't be Trump said X, but the reality is why. And so you have to take it a little bit bigger.
And so instead of playing his game, you have to call out his game.

Speaker 10 And you have to call out why he he is lying about these things, why he is trying to divide us to help him to get power for himself, to help his rich friends and make it part of your overall message that he is trying to pull the wool over the American people's eyes so that he can gain power, avoid legal accountability, and give tax cuts to his rich friends.

Speaker 12 Yeah. I, I mean,

Speaker 20 to our earlier discussion about the slight shift in strategy where she's going to be doing more contrast and more sort of attacks on Trump, I would, if I was Kamala Harris, I'd go and kick the shit out of him on this.

Speaker 20 Like I would go out and you can't do that in the first week, right?

Speaker 27 She's done everything she should be doing. She went to visit Georgia.

Speaker 39 She's in North Carolina.

Speaker 24 But at some point, she could just go out there and talk about and call out the game and what he's trying to do and how there are Democrats, Republicans, local officials, people like in red states.

Speaker 17 blue blue areas of red states working together to help people to clean this up.

Speaker 20 And then there's Donald Trump who wants to win an election, right? Which is just like what he's done with everything, every other issue.

Speaker 39 Everything is about him trying to win an election.

Speaker 20 And I think that I would just tell people, because then it shows the contrast that like if she's president, right, this is how she's going to handle dealing with a natural disaster, dealing with disaster relief.

Speaker 21 Donald Trump's president, well, first of all, we know how he's handled natural disasters, and he's just going to, he's going to do it again.

Speaker 9 The other piece of this of why I think it's really important that we have to be doing this right now is

Speaker 9 there are still Republican governors that are willing to be honest about this, to say that the Biden administration is doing a great job.

Speaker 9 There's still that last piece of tether to the old earth where these people are willing to tell the truth about it. And

Speaker 9 those Republicans are probably doing more good than anything a Democrat could say right now, right? That really matters. And there's a ton of like AI images going around, and they look silly.

Speaker 9 They don't look believable. They may be fooling a certain subset of people who want to be fooled.
But

Speaker 9 it's not high on the list of things we talk about for for why it's important to defeat Donald Trump and defeat this form of Republicanism.

Speaker 9 It is very clear that like the technology is going to enable people to make up whatever they want. The AI is going to become more persuasive.

Speaker 9 Our only hope is defeating this form of Republicanism because the fact that so many of these elected Republican leaders went to this form of politics so quickly, there will be no stopping them.

Speaker 9 In the next, like the Republican governors are going to move to the right. They're going to become more crazy.
Like it's all shifting in that direction.

Speaker 9 Like we have one last chance right now to stop this kind of politics because we are, there's no information system.

Speaker 9 We're not going to be able to, there won't be a Republican governor on our side the next time this happens.

Speaker 6 Leah, Politico ran a story Friday that says the politics of federal disaster relief is a topic that Trump has always been keenly attuned to.

Speaker 11 Is it your sense that Donald Trump has always been keenly attuned to the politics of natural disasters?

Speaker 30 Well, so he has been attuned to it in the following sense, which I think gets at your point about Vice President Harris being able to drive home a contrast between herself and Donald Trump.

Speaker 30 You know, it came out this past week the reports that when California needed federal support in order to get that federal support from Donald Trump, his aides went to him and basically showed him you actually have a large number of voters in California before he would actually accede to the request for federal relief in California.

Speaker 30 And this is the lie that he is trying to attribute to the Biden administration now. And it's exactly what people warned about.

Speaker 30 It came up at his impeachment trial regarding the effort to extort Zelensky to accuse Biden of misdeeds.

Speaker 30 Law professor, Stanford law professor Pam Carlin testified and she invited lawmakers, imagine you live in a state that experiences severe weather events and your governor goes to the president and is requesting disaster relief and he says to your governor, what are you going to do for me?

Speaker 30 And this is the exact problem with Donald Trump. And he is again telling everyone that the Biden administration is doing exactly what he did.
And it's just, it's gross.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 13 No, and I honestly like

Speaker 11 her talking about that, it's the right thing to do, but I also think like in this home stretch, this is, it's politically wise to draw that contrast.

Speaker 9 They are doing everything they are supposed to do to respond to a storm.

Speaker 9 And Donald Trump, the only reason this kind of politics is successful is because people are already so cynical that they believe the government operates the way Donald Trump would operate it if he were in power.

Speaker 9 It works because they believe Donald Trump will do

Speaker 9 what he already did when he was president and what he would do again. And it is so fucking cynical.

Speaker 9 I have nothing to say about it. I'm just furious.

Speaker 9 It's outrageous. It's outrageous.
Evil.

Speaker 14 Well, before we move on, we got to talk about Melania Trump,

Speaker 14 who hasn't been on the campaign trail for her husband or really anywhere this entire race until this week.

Speaker 24 So a reporter at The Guardian got their hands on an early copy of her book that's coming out next week and reported that in it, the former first lady reveals that she is stridently pro-choice.

Speaker 13 Once, I guess, sure.

Speaker 9 What are you plotting exactly?

Speaker 9 Put your hands away.

Speaker 9 You've lost the credibility to applaud.

Speaker 21 So the report happens, and once the report gets out, Melania did what anyone would do in this situation and posted the following video:

Speaker 43 Individual freedom is a fundamental principle that I safeguard.

Speaker 43 Without a doubt, there is no room for compromise when it comes to this essential right that all women possess from birth: individual freedom.

Speaker 43 What

Speaker 43 my body, my choice, really mean?

Speaker 34 It reminds me of like the first days of the pandemic when we all were doing Zooms and you had like one lamp in your living room.

Speaker 9 So just like the left side of your face was lit.

Speaker 41 What the fuck was that lighting?

Speaker 9 It's Melania for abortion for Elizabeth Arden.

Speaker 34 Two-Face from Batman.

Speaker 15 Leo, what did you think of that?

Speaker 30 It's a shitty 90s perfume commercial.

Speaker 30 It looks and sounds like she's auditioning to be the next villain from Genovia for Princess Diaries 3, right? Like, it also kind of looks like that.

Speaker 30 But, you know, in some sense, it is totally consistent with everything Republicans have done on abortion and reproductive justice, which is to gaslight and insist they are not going to do the exact thing we know they are going to do.

Speaker 30 You know, when Donald Trump was running, he ran on a platform to appoint justices who would overrule Roe versus Wade.

Speaker 30 But then when he nominated justices, all of the Republican senators are like, what are you talking about? They're not going to overrule Roe versus Wade. And they're doing the exact same thing here.

Speaker 30 And there is just a special place in hell for white women who will shill for the patriarchy.

Speaker 9 The music?

Speaker 11 Was the music necessary? What was the music?

Speaker 10 Let's not lose the forest of the trees here.

Speaker 10 She is releasing a book three three weeks before the election in which she takes the opposite position of her husband on the one of the most important issues in the election. That is fucking bananas.

Speaker 11 Okay, so let's let's talk, let's, because we don't know the answer to this, but do we think it was, so some people say this was a strategy from the Trump campaign with Melania, that they wanted to soften his image on abortion by saying, well, you know, he, he kind of believes everyone can do their own thing and his wife, you know, believes something different.

Speaker 20 Or was it just coincidence and Melania wants to sell books?

Speaker 10 This is a, this is like the crypto, the watches, the shoes. It is a way, like the clock is ticking here because if he loses in 30 days, no one's buying that fucking book.
So she got to sell it now.

Speaker 9 This idea that it's a strategy, okay.

Speaker 9 I think that like,

Speaker 9 so remember when she had that jacket that's, I don't, I don't really care.

Speaker 17 She talks about that in the book.

Speaker 9 I'm sure she does. And there was this whole news cycle about how she's sending a message to her husband.
No, she was upset about her press coverage.

Speaker 9 And then there's a part of the book where she, so there was a

Speaker 9 mean video that claimed that Barron had autism. Rosie O'Donnell shared it and said, oh, maybe this will help for autism awareness, deleted it when she found out it wasn't true.

Speaker 9 Melania writes that this was one of the cruelest things. It was on purpose.
It was, every time you try to, people have tried to ascribe some deeper meaning.

Speaker 9 to Melania Trump's intentions, what you have found on the other side of it is that she's a lot like her husband, that it's about bad press, it's about personal grievance, it's about attention, and it's about what she can get for herself like she's married to Donald Trump and

Speaker 34 and there was also a report I think it was CNN tried to get an interview about the book and the publisher wrote back yes you can have one if you give us was it a hundred thousand dollars

Speaker 34 a quarter mil sorry a quarter mil They were trying to extract money for an interview about a book.

Speaker 20 Which is way more than most of us charge for our interviews.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Who do you think you are, Mu Dang?

Speaker 9 I did that joke in Love It or Leave It.

Speaker 12 That's a recycled joke.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, like, whether it was, I agree with you, it feels too complicated for it to be a strategy, but obviously, like, Donald Trump knew what was going to be in this book.

Speaker 34 The release was timed to maximize sales in the heat of the campaign. So they knew this cycle was coming, this narrative, this news cycle, you know, these reports about what she says.

Speaker 10 I mean, yes, because they wanted to make money. Donald Trump, who is running on some sort of faux populist agenda, is selling a $100,000 gold watch right now.
It's a nice watch. Yeah.

Speaker 9 The watch. And you can buy it with crypto.

Speaker 17 $100,000. $100,000 gold watch.

Speaker 15 It's the guy that you can trust on the economy.

Speaker 9 A lot of people breaking down the cost of the watch. Yeah.
Shocker. It's not an expensive watch.

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 23 No shit.

Speaker 14 Well, good luck on the book, Melania.

Speaker 38 All right.

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Speaker 41 We are thrilled to welcome to the show tonight the next U.S.

Speaker 34 Senator from the great state of Michigan, Congresswoman Alyssa Slacken.

Speaker 34 Where is your pumpkin? Thank you. It's so good.

Speaker 4 That's all the political nerds.

Speaker 41 That's a good reception.

Speaker 34 First of all, thank you for letting us hang out with you today. We did two events together.
You have a new bus that's very beautiful and rap, sorry, RV.

Speaker 4 That's RV, Tommy.

Speaker 10 But it was very like...

Speaker 34 You're up to some big events Saturday morning, 9 a.m., 150 people knocking doors for you.

Speaker 4 I mean, I mean, Michigan's where it's at. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 23 Duh.

Speaker 12 Well, we're where it's at.

Speaker 9 Let's talk about that.

Speaker 34 So, Axios reported that last week you told some supporters that Kamala Harris is underwater in the state of Michigan. This same report also said that Republicans believe that your race is tightening.

Speaker 9 What's the truth here?

Speaker 34 I mean, how are you feeling about Kamala Harris's odds in Michigan and your race against Mike Rogers?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I think anyone who's from Michigan will tell you that the minute you sleep on Michigan, it's going to go the wrong direction, right? In 2016, we voted for Trump in this state, right?

Speaker 4 And closest margin in the country. And then we've been making up for it ever since, right? By electing Gretchen Whitmer and our Attorney General, our Secretary of State.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 so I think to me, I mean, look, we also watched... Hillary Clinton ahead in all those polls before 2016.
Michiganders are an independently minded people. We're still ticket splitters, a lot of people.

Speaker 4 So the minute you say, you know, I'm going to be on the sugar high here and think that we're just coasting the victory is the minute you lose.

Speaker 4 And so to me, it wasn't any different than what I've been saying, which is it's terribly close.

Speaker 4 And we're now just within the margin of effort to win this election. If we work for it, we're going to win.
And if we don't work for it, we're not going to win. And that's the same in my race.

Speaker 4 That's why you see people out, you know, in Livingston County and in Dexter today and all these places, yeah, Livingston County.

Speaker 4 And so I just, it, to me, the minute we get too high on our own supply is the minute we lose here in Michigan.

Speaker 34 You know, you do see a lot of people in Washington who think ticket splitters don't exist. It's a figment of our imagination, but you're meeting them out on the trail.

Speaker 4 I mean, not only meeting them, I mean, I can't see the audience, but I'm guessing most people here know, even in their own families, you saw me today ask people, like, raise your hand if a relationship with a family member, a friend, a colleague, a work work partner has become uncomfortable because of politics.

Speaker 4 And everyone in Michigan raised their hand. I mean, it really is.
Thanksgiving dinner has come become uncomfortable for a bunch of us. And

Speaker 4 I, you know, represent a district that's very purple.

Speaker 4 Most of my mayors and town supervisors are Republican.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 they've been sending me pictures of their absentee ballots, which have already gone out. And it literally, I see them filled in the box for Trump and Slotkin.

Speaker 4 And, you know, we can have a conversation about the Trump part, but the ticket splitter does exist in Michigan or else we wouldn't be the swing state that we are.

Speaker 34 One challenge for President Biden and now for Kamala Harris in Michigan is the uncommitted movement, which is, you know, Arab Americans, progressives, a lot of young people who are frustrated about the Biden administration's Gaza policy.

Speaker 34 This group, I think, seems to be expanding to people who have ties to Lebanon, who are concerned about the Israeli ground invasion and airstrikes into Lebanon against Hezbollah.

Speaker 34 Kamala Harris met with Muslim and Arab American voters before her event in Michigan on Friday, so yesterday. I know you've met with these voters many, many times.

Speaker 34 What do you think they need to see and hear from Vice President Harris to earn back their support?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's hard to overstate how this issue has roiled the state of Michigan, right? And it's, of course, because we have the largest Arab and Muslim American population.

Speaker 4 We have a large Jewish population. We have a large student population.
But it's also because, unlike other places in the country, we're very integrated here. We grow up together, right?

Speaker 4 My parents' local public high school is literally half Jewish, half Muslim American. They have off for the high holidays and for eat.
We go to school together. We go to the same sport teams.

Speaker 4 We go to the same restaurants. And that's an amazing thing.

Speaker 4 An amazing thing. And it,

Speaker 4 but it also makes it so personal when the conflict in the Middle East just literally comes home.

Speaker 4 My dad was in and out of the hospital this year, and every single doctor and specialist was Arab or Muslim American, right? So it just makes it so personal here.

Speaker 4 And to me, the most important thing that anyone can do, myself included, but certainly Kamala Harris, is you got to keep the lines of communication open.

Speaker 4 That means having hard conversations constantly. That means reaching out to people and saying, look, I know you're in pain, right? I see what's happening.

Speaker 4 The saddest saddest thing about it is that my experience is that the leaders that I talk to on all sides of this, particularly in the Arab and Muslim American community and the Jewish community, are experiencing really the mirror image of the same thing.

Speaker 4 They both feel like the other Americans don't care about my dead. They don't care about people who look like me and my children being killed.
Both communities feel like

Speaker 4 they're terrified of rising anti-Semitism, of Islamophobia.

Speaker 4 They're worried about what's going on on college campuses they they don't know what the future is both communities feel that same sense of just anxiousness and hurt so to me keeping lines of communication open is important for her i was glad she met with with the people she did that at the last time she was in and the time before that i think that's important um but then also

Speaker 4 You can be as supportive of the state of Israel as you want and still show empathy for people who are dying. And it makes you no less supportive of their security.

Speaker 4 And so expressing that empathy and being willing to listen and learn, I think, are the key things that is my best advice to her on a very, very personal issue here.

Speaker 34 That's good advice.

Speaker 34 I bet a lot of people listening and here tonight

Speaker 34 are reading and watching the news and just worried about the war expanding and seeming to spiral out of control. You've got, you know, the Israelis are now hitting targets in Yemen.

Speaker 34 The IDF is launching this ground invasion into Lebanon. Iran launched another massive barrage of missiles at Israel.
We are all now waiting to see what the Israelis do to respond. And

Speaker 34 before you won a congressional seat, you had this really impressive career in the national security world. You were at the CIA, the Department of Defense, like a number of big jobs.

Speaker 34 Can you just help people understand

Speaker 34 what is happening and how worried you are as an expert about things escalating further?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, what we talk about in national security circles is the ladder of escalation, right? That

Speaker 4 you're trying to contain things, but sometimes without your even willingness to do it, it starts to get out of control. And that's what I think a lot of us are fearing right now, right?

Speaker 4 With the expansion into Lebanon, with Iran firing a much more serious barrage of ballistic missiles, including a hypersonic that came through some of the defenses. It just,

Speaker 4 that spiral is happening. And I think people feel deeply concerned about it.

Speaker 4 And to me, you know, any country in the world has the right to push back when ballistic missiles are being fired at it.

Speaker 4 But it is just clear to me that we are on the precipice of something much more serious that, frankly, as Middle East analysts used to always study in school, like, what if we had full-on warfare between Iran and Israel and what would happen?

Speaker 4 So, you know, know, it's already been a crazy couple of months, year here. And I think everyone's just making sure that we don't have that cycle of escalation go completely out of control.

Speaker 34 Yeah. Well, hopefully they can get to a ceasefire and hostage release deal in Gaza and start to get things under control.

Speaker 34 Switching gears to Michigan, I mean, Donald Trump is...

Speaker 34 trying to use the Biden administration's efforts to combat climate change, especially their support for electric vehicles, to drive a wedge between between the Democratic Party and auto workers.

Speaker 34 Do you think that effort is working?

Speaker 34 And if so, how do you think Democrats can convince the UAW, autoworkers, people in the industry here in Michigan that clean energy policies aren't going to negatively impact the auto industry?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, look, I think the UAW understands this more than most because they're the ones who are staffing the new plants that we're building.

Speaker 4 We have 44 new plants being built in the state of Michigan after 40 years of not a single new plant.

Speaker 12 So, and here's the thing.

Speaker 4 I think, you know,

Speaker 4 the other side has kind of turned this into a completely political issue. Here in Michigan, we don't care what kind of car you want to drive, right?

Speaker 4 I live on a farm, I live on a dirt road, I don't live anywhere near a charging station. That's not probably in my immediate future.

Speaker 4 But if the question is who wants to build the next generation of vehicles, you're damn right. I want it to be Michigan and the United States of America and not China.

Speaker 4 And I think

Speaker 4 I don't understand the position of the other side. They're like, China's eating our lunch on this vehicle and China, China, China.
It's like, right. So do you want to do something about it?

Speaker 4 Or do you want to just like kick back and watch them do that? And in Michigan, we know what it's like to miss.

Speaker 4 movements on this right in the 70s and 80s michiganders were like why would anyone drive anything but a huge vehicle like what are these fuel efficient vehicles you're bringing in from japan and from korea We poo-pooed it.

Speaker 4 And then they ate our lunch. So we don't want to miss this.
We don't have to drive them, but we want to build them.

Speaker 9 Well said.

Speaker 34 Let me ask you about your opponent, Mike Rogers. I remember him being a very conservative, but not like a total Trump sycophant like some of his colleagues back in 2014, 2015.

Speaker 34 But then he left office, I think, in 2015. He became a lobbyist.
He moved to Florida, I believe, and then he came back and he's just gone full MAGA.

Speaker 9 Is this, like, what happened?

Speaker 34 Is this the price you pay to win a primary in any Senate race now?

Speaker 4 Yes. I mean, I think the simple answer is the Mike Rogers of 2014 is not the Mike Rogers of 2024.

Speaker 4 And I think actually for Michiganders, like we understand that there's not going to be only Democrats winning elections. We understand that we are a purple state.

Speaker 4 And I think most Michiganders want two healthy parties that debate and push and back on each other about the role of government in our lives and make policy better.

Speaker 4 We dream about that, but that's not what this is.

Speaker 4 And I think the saddest thing is watching someone who, you know, did and was vocal about pushing back at some points about Trump and conspiracies around the 2020 election now talk about all the shenanigans that are going to happen in southeast Michigan for this election.

Speaker 4 I mean, laying the predicate along with Trump that if he doesn't win, the elections are rigged, right?

Speaker 2 Because that's what's happening for across the board.

Speaker 4 So it's sad, even for me, and I'm running against him. It's like watching the last buffalo die.
It's very sad.

Speaker 4 Sorry. It's sad.

Speaker 34 Speaking of dead buffaloes, maybe

Speaker 34 Your family's in the meat business, in the hot dog business.

Speaker 41 I'm serious.

Speaker 34 You are a Hamas Hezbollah hot dog expert.

Speaker 37 What's the right way to eat a hot dog?

Speaker 12 Ketchup?

Speaker 10 Mustard?

Speaker 12 Chili? Okay.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, thank you. The people in the back screaming, a cone dog, like a coney.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 4 It's a Michigan thing. Okay.
But, and there's, you know, dueling conies in downtown Detroit. And right, yeah, Lafayette versus National.
They're all screaming in the audience. Oh, man.

Speaker 4 It is literally, my preference is a good Albie Frankfurter. I personally slice it a little bit, grill it flat.
That's me. But chili, mustard, little bit of onions if that's your thing.

Speaker 4 And that is what we call a Detroit cone, and you're welcome.

Speaker 34 What do you say to critics who say putting chili on anything is too close to like skyline chili from Cincinnati?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 I don't know if you're purposely trying to agitate me and or the crowd by mentioning Ohio.

Speaker 4 This is, yeah, Ohio does kind of suck. I mean, it just,

Speaker 4 and so no, they can take their chili and suck it in Ohio.

Speaker 36 Well said.

Speaker 34 I do want to remind everyone that Lovett was in Toledo today. So

Speaker 10 last question.

Speaker 34 You know, we were out with you today. We saw people knocking on doors.
I know that campaigns need everything at the end, but there's a lot of people here who want to help you out.

Speaker 34 There's a lot of people listening at home who want to help you out. What should they do?

Speaker 2 So a couple of things.

Speaker 4 Just do a two-hour volunteer shift, literally, especially in this area.

Speaker 4 Just, I know it sounds simple, but that simple act of actually engaging other people, they know that you gave a crap about their vote, right?

Speaker 4 And just especially in this area, in the Ann Arbor area, the students have the ability to literally decide this election. I mean, for the whole country.

Speaker 4 And so, doing a two-hour shift with us, with the one campaign, you know, whatever you want.

Speaker 4 And then, I think, you know, particularly in this crowd, doing a little social media and being like, you know what, this is what I'm doing. This is my plan to vote.

Speaker 4 Asking people and agitating about whether they're going to vote. We know that at University of Michigan, they literally stood outside in 2022 for four four hours to vote on Proposition 3,

Speaker 4 make it a thing, and just talk, talk, talk about it every single day until the election.

Speaker 34 So everyone here has committed, I think, to doing a two-hour shift?

Speaker 31 Maybe. There we go.

Speaker 34 Congresswoman Alyssa Slotkin, thank you so much for joining the show.

Speaker 9 How nice would it be?

Speaker 34 to have a U.S. Senator from Michigan who knows the auto industry, who knows foreign policy, who represents and cares about you guys, you have the chance to elect her.

Speaker 4 And can I just say, youngest Democratic woman,

Speaker 4 youngest Democratic woman in the Senate. I'm not young.
I'm young for the Senate. Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 23 All right.

Speaker 9 Now it's time for a game. I'm going to divide John, Tommy, Dan, and Leah into teams and quiz them on the absolute chaos, the hodgepodge, the unholy hauntish that is the Michigan Republican Party.

Speaker 9 And a game we're calling, take a Michigander at these freaks.

Speaker 9 AKA Austin's parents are in the audience. We also have a Michigan-based sports game,

Speaker 9 et cetera.

Speaker 23 All right.

Speaker 9 John and Leah, you're a team.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we're ready.

Speaker 31 I got a Michigander right here.

Speaker 10 Yeah, the Michigander legal scholar on your team.

Speaker 12 And we have each other.

Speaker 23 Cool.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you guys keep up with the news.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 9 First question: John and Leah.

Speaker 9 Florida man Mike Rogers moved back to Michigan from the Sunshine State.

Speaker 9 Florida man Mike Rogers moved back to Michigan from the Sunshine State and bought a house how many months before he announced his current Senate run?

Speaker 31 How many months before he announced that he bought multiple choice on this? No.

Speaker 31 Six.

Speaker 36 Six?

Speaker 9 Incorrect for the steal?

Speaker 10 One.

Speaker 35 No. God damn it.

Speaker 9 It was three months.

Speaker 12 Right between. Three months.
Wow.

Speaker 9 90 days.

Speaker 9 You could have had, I mean, it'd be a risk, but you could have eggs, you know, in the fridge that long. You check them, but you could eat them.

Speaker 34 Three months?

Speaker 12 They're old eggs,

Speaker 9 but they might be fine.

Speaker 10 For legal reasons, For legal reasons, we have to cut that.

Speaker 9 FDA.

Speaker 9 I said you could eat the eggs.

Speaker 9 Tommy and Dan, which of the following musicians did former GOP chair Christina Caramo call Tools of Satan?

Speaker 9 Katie Perry and Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish and Beyonce, Post Malone in the weekend, Chapel Roan and Lilna's X.

Speaker 12 Which pair?

Speaker 10 What was the first one? Tools of Satan.

Speaker 12 Katie Perry and Lady Gaga.

Speaker 30 Why did they get a multiple choice question?

Speaker 9 It's gonna just it's

Speaker 9 it's it's it's equity, not equality.

Speaker 9 That's why.

Speaker 9 Can you read them again? Katie Perry and Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish and Beyonce, Post Malone in the weekend, Champal Roan and Lil Nas X. Who are tools of Satan?

Speaker 31 Is there in all the above?

Speaker 32 Billie Eilish and Billie Eilish and Beyonce?

Speaker 12 Correct! Nice.

Speaker 9 Good job, Dan. She also apparently dinged Cardi B, Ariana Grande, and the practice of yoga.

Speaker 9 The practice of yoga. Tool of Satan.

Speaker 9 Downward dog.

Speaker 13 Leah and John.

Speaker 9 Michigan is one of several states, along with Arizona and Nevada, where fake electors have been slapped with felony charges for basisly declaring themselves electors to help Trump steal the 2020 election.

Speaker 9 Which of the following people is not one of the 15 fake electors being prosecuted for sending their fake votes to Mike Pence, the national archivist and the Michigan Secretary of State?

Speaker 9 Is it A, Walt Kowalski, Korean War vet and former Ford employee? Is it B, Mishon Maddock, former co-chair of the Michigan Republican Party?

Speaker 9 Is it John Haggard, owner of Haggard's Plumbing and Heating, or D, Rose Rook, former Van Buren County GOP chair? Which of the following is not?

Speaker 12 C.

Speaker 12 False, wrong.

Speaker 9 The correct answer is Walt Kowalski. That is, of course, the name of Clint Eastwood's character

Speaker 9 in Gran Torino.

Speaker 9 which tops virtually all of the Michigan movie lists available on the internet. So let's get some more movies shot in Michigan because we can beat Gran Torino, people.
What about an eight mile?

Speaker 9 Eight mile is also up on the list, but it's that an eight mile.

Speaker 32 Duking it out. What about gross point blank?

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 23 Wow.

Speaker 9 One note, there was a 16th fake elector, but

Speaker 12 flipped.

Speaker 35 They got him.

Speaker 9 Not being prosecuted.

Speaker 9 Turned on him.

Speaker 12 Thanks. Huh?

Speaker 10 James Renner.

Speaker 9 He sang like a bird.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 9 Dan and Tommy.

Speaker 9 True or false, State Representative Josh Shriver was forced to delete a tweet after reposting a meme involving black stick figures and white stick figures espousing the great replacement theory back in February.

Speaker 9 Sure.

Speaker 9 True. True.
False. He did not delete it.
It is up right now. Ah, fuck, I knew it.

Speaker 9 It is up right now. It is so fucking,

Speaker 9 that's it. It's so raised.
It's just racist.

Speaker 9 Up right now. That's from today.

Speaker 30 Why didn't we get to steal on that?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Which we had true, false?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, if they're going to get it.

Speaker 41 Equipity, not equality.

Speaker 12 I don't know about

Speaker 17 how many months they got true, false.

Speaker 10 And we've still got it wrong.

Speaker 12 Yeah, they got it wrong.

Speaker 9 Fucking lawyers. All right.

Speaker 23 Hey.

Speaker 9 Last June. Ignore stop the steal over here.

Speaker 12 Keep going. Let's go.

Speaker 9 Last June, a physical brawl broke out at a Michigan GOP meeting between Clare County Republican Party Chair Mark de Young and Wayne County Republican James Chapman.

Speaker 9 Afterwards, de Young told the Detroit News, he blanked me in my blank as soon as I opened the door.

Speaker 20 Kicked me in the nuts.

Speaker 9 I'll accept it. It was balls.

Speaker 12 Nice. Well, you got that.

Speaker 9 But I'm tough, but fair. You worked the reps, and so I gave you the win.
You said it was, it's three on two, it's three on two, and now I'm like, I got to give him one. That's what Trump does.

Speaker 9 You're the Trump of this. All right, David Muir.

Speaker 10 Not a strict textualist, I assume. What? Not a strict textualist.

Speaker 12 That's right.

Speaker 9 That's right. It's a living, breathing document, these cards.
Evolving with the times.

Speaker 9 How could you be an originalist before the internet? It doesn't even make any sense. What did Madison think? Google it? You can't.

Speaker 9 you know

Speaker 30 I'm gonna invite you to guest lecture in my next law school class

Speaker 9 in a microfiche earlier this year state representative Matt Maddock posted to social media claiming to have spotted buses loaded with loaded up with invading illegals at the Detroit airport along with photos of said buses who did the invaders turn out to be I will give you a hint.

Speaker 9 It was the month of March.

Speaker 37 That is your hint.

Speaker 9 The hint is that it was the month of March when this busload of invaders came out.

Speaker 12 A basketball team?

Speaker 34 March Madness?

Speaker 32 Okay.

Speaker 12 A basketball team?

Speaker 9 I'm going to give it to you. Yes, we were looking for Gonzaga's men's basketball team.

Speaker 9 And there's staff arriving for the NCAA championships. March Madness, more like march this crazy bastard right out of town.

Speaker 37 But I'm giving it to

Speaker 9 Lee and John, former Michigan House Speaker Lee Chatfield and his wife, who have been charged with 15 corruption charges, all related to Chatfield's time as speaker, were granted permission by a judge in May to travel out of state for what event?

Speaker 9 A, their son's wedding, B, the birth of their first grandchild, C, a separate unrelated trial for larceny, or D, the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 12 D?

Speaker 9 That is correct. It was the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 23 Derby.

Speaker 12 Wow.

Speaker 18 Dan,

Speaker 9 Tom.

Speaker 9 Speaking of the most upstanding Republican in Michigan, while a state rep, Chatfield was recorded on camera being arrested for bringing what onto a plane at Detroit International Airport.

Speaker 38 Gun?

Speaker 10 Seems could he have gotten it through security? Is he bringing it on the plane or is he bringing it through TSA?

Speaker 9 He was arrested for bringing what onto a plane at Detroit International Airport. I have no more information, and I don't believe this is so nuanced as to not also potentially mean security.

Speaker 9 It may be on the plane, it might be on the way to the plane. This card does not contemplate your follow-up question.

Speaker 33 We're going to go with gun.

Speaker 9 And you're going to be right. It was a loaded, unregistered handgun.
Just loose in his carry-on.

Speaker 9 He did apologize. He did apologize.

Speaker 36 Yeah. Well, that ends well, I guess.

Speaker 9 Now, today you wouldn't apologize. Sorry, the woke TSA stopped me from being an American.

Speaker 9 And finally, Lee and John, State Representative Angela Riggs called attending the January 6th insurrection, what?

Speaker 9 A, true patriotism, B, the least we could do to show our support for Donald Trump, the greatest president in American history, C, a completely legal and peaceful protest, or D, a highlight of my life.

Speaker 12 D?

Speaker 12 It was D, a highlight of my life.

Speaker 6 Of course.

Speaker 9 Sound effect.

Speaker 9 So if somebody says sound effect, you just make a noise?

Speaker 9 Why did you think to do that? Why did you think about it?

Speaker 9 That's an insane thing to do. And it's obviously insane.
Only one person in the thousand people was like, sound effect, I know.

Speaker 9 Weird people. Not like those great people I met today in Toledo, Ohio.

Speaker 9 We'll insert the sound effect of host. And you know what that sound means?

Speaker 9 Because I wasn't, it's time for a lightning round where the points really,

Speaker 9 I wasn't able to get out of knowing things that easy this tour.

Speaker 9 Tommy, John, Dan, and Leah have been given Michigan sports-related questions, mine from the brains of producer Austin, to torture me in a simultaneous mini-game we're calling 50 Shades of Let's Go Blue.

Speaker 9 John, kick it off.

Speaker 6 Okay, love it.

Speaker 11 Who are the Michigan Wolverines currently playing as we tape this show?

Speaker 11 Please note, Austin has mentioned this a half.

Speaker 6 Stop it. Stop cheating.

Speaker 11 Austin has mentioned this half a dozen times and it was playing on a giant TV outside the venue when we walked in.

Speaker 9 I would not have known. I would not have known.
I hear the person in the front row

Speaker 12 who thinks they're at home doing dishes while listening

Speaker 9 and has forgotten that we can fucking hear you.

Speaker 9 Hey,

Speaker 9 I know this experience is similar to how you normally hear us on the toilet.

Speaker 9 But when you say something, we can hear you.

Speaker 12 Hey, thanks for listening.

Speaker 9 But I now know that it is the Huskies, but I wouldn't know.

Speaker 12 It is.

Speaker 13 It is the Huskies.

Speaker 31 The Abel Jackson. From where? Do you know where from where? No.

Speaker 9 I mean, I don't know. Huskies,

Speaker 9 like the sled dogs? Yeah. So Alaska.

Speaker 11 The Washington Huskies.

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 30 Okay, so former Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh was known for his iconic expression, who's got it better than us? Which one of the following is not another another memorable saying from Jim Harbaugh?

Speaker 30 A, I take a vitamin every day. It's called a steak.

Speaker 12 B,

Speaker 30 we refuse to drink the candy ass skim milk or the 1%.

Speaker 9 He's right about that. If that's true, that's smart.
Skim milk is a scam. Don't drink skim milk.

Speaker 30 C, I'll sleep when I'm dead. That's basically all you can do then.

Speaker 9 That's funny.

Speaker 30 D, big congrats to Judge Judy on signing her contract extension through 2020 from a devout fan.

Speaker 9 Oh, that's so weird.

Speaker 12 He's a weird guy.

Speaker 9 There's a lot of men who would live a longer life if they didn't think Salmon was woke.

Speaker 9 I'm going to say

Speaker 9 the one about C, I'm going to say C.

Speaker 9 That's going to say, I'm going to say that's fake.

Speaker 30 That's correct.

Speaker 9 Oh, I got it. It was clever.
It was clever.

Speaker 34 Okay, the Michigan Wolverines begin every game with an intro video narrated by which famous actor and Michigan alum. I'll give you a hint.

Speaker 34 He died last month.

Speaker 12 He died last month? Uplifting hints, yeah.

Speaker 9 It's not James Earl Jones.

Speaker 12 It is.

Speaker 6 It is James Earl Jones.

Speaker 9 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
That's not a star.

Speaker 9 Of course.

Speaker 10 Which of the following is Detroit Lions head coach Dan Campbell's actual Starbuck orders?

Speaker 32 Is it A, 12 ounces of warm whole milk with extra foam?

Speaker 10 Is it B, two Venti coffees with two shots in each? C, one of the unicorn frappuccinos that went viral in 2016 and he's still getting them? Or D, a grande brown sugar oat milk shaken espresso?

Speaker 9 I think it's B because it's so insane.

Speaker 10 B is correct. Yes.

Speaker 23 Wow. And let me,

Speaker 10 just to do the calculus, that's over 1,100 milligrams of caffeine in total. More than 13 Red Bulls in one coffee order.

Speaker 6 That's going to be my new one.

Speaker 12 That's good. That's good.

Speaker 9 Get one of those in the morning.

Speaker 14 That sounds good.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 18 The Victors, the fight song for the Michigan Wolverines, says that Michigan is the champions of what cardinal directions?

Speaker 26 Direction.

Speaker 9 One direction?

Speaker 12 One direction.

Speaker 21 Not that one direction.

Speaker 10 So they're the champions.

Speaker 11 Michigan are the champions of what cardinal direction?

Speaker 33 It seems like it could, all of them seem wrong.

Speaker 9 It's not east, you're not west, you're not south, you're not north. What the fuck?

Speaker 12 East.

Speaker 9 Fuck you.

Speaker 9 It is the west. The west? That's stupid.
What do you mean, the west?

Speaker 9 That's the dumbest one to pick.

Speaker 30 You can't come to Michigan and shit on our song.

Speaker 12 Especially if you come from Ohio.

Speaker 23 What? Yeah.

Speaker 9 The songs in Ohio make much more sense. And they put chili on spaghetti there like real sophisticates.

Speaker 30 Okay, true or false, the official name of Detroit Lions Blue is Honolulu Blue.

Speaker 9 Weird, true, I guess?

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 34 The Ford family purchased the NFL's Detroit Lions on the same day as what historical event?

Speaker 34 What?

Speaker 9 Historical event?

Speaker 33 Oh, wow, the fort. I could give a hint.
I'm not going to give.

Speaker 9 The Detroit Lions on a historic. I mean,

Speaker 9 I'm not getting out of this stuff.

Speaker 15 9-11.

Speaker 6 Close. What? The Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 11 Is it close?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 9 It involves days. My other option is going to be D-Day.
They're days that live in infamy for sure. Right.

Speaker 10 Okay. Which NHL Hall of Famer and Detroit Red Wings captain will the new bridge connecting Detroit to Canada be named after?

Speaker 12 A.

Speaker 32 Gordy Howe.

Speaker 10 B. Alex Delvecchio.
C. Nick Lindstrom.
D. Steve Eiserman.

Speaker 9 And you know there's been a lot of great scientists from this state, right?

Speaker 9 You think your athletes aren't getting enough fucking attention?

Speaker 9 Open a book. I don't know.

Speaker 9 It's D. Gordy Howell.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Do I drop one to one more? Sure.

Speaker 11 Which of the following is not a minor league baseball team in Michigan?

Speaker 11 A, the Saginaw Sugar Beets.

Speaker 7 B, the Utica unicorns.

Speaker 6 No, that can't.

Speaker 11 C, the Westside Woolley Mammoths. D, all of these are actual teams.

Speaker 9 I guess D, they're actual teams.

Speaker 12 Yes, they are.

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 39 They are.

Speaker 9 What a society we've built. That's 50 Shades of Let's Go Blue, and that's our game.
Woo!

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