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Speaker 12 I'd also just say in the copy that you and I are excited to share this content. I'd say John and John are excited too.
They're just on vacation and aren't here to read this.

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Speaker 18 As you all know, the children children of famous political families have been causing all sorts of controversy recently.

Speaker 18 We have talked a lot about RFK Jr.'s truly nutty views on vaccines and a host of other issues.

Speaker 12 Yes, I'm so excited you're doing this.

Speaker 18 There is a pretty wild take from another Kennedy that went viral. The Rolling Stone headline about this is: a Kennedy Himbo's viral rant is making Nepo babies look good.

Speaker 18 Here's President Kennedy's grandson and Caroline Kennedy's son Jack Schlossberg talking about restaurants.

Speaker 21 And we have to wait there to eat something that we don't get to choose really. We only have a couple choices and

Speaker 21 you don't know what any of them are going to taste like or what's good.

Speaker 21 And we'll go eat there and it'll be covered in sugar and we're going to have to fucking talk to some guy about what we want to eat.

Speaker 21 And then we're going to need a couple more minutes to look at the menu.

Speaker 21 to read the menu. We have to read something in order to get the food first.

Speaker 17 You have to read to get your food.

Speaker 21 Why? You don't actually need to do that and that's why I'm never ever going to a restaurant. You make me so angry.
Because it ruins your whole life.

Speaker 21 You spend hours and hours eating at restaurants when you could spend a minute and a half eating something that is good for you.

Speaker 25 And then what would you do?

Speaker 21 And then you can go fucking lie down, you could go walk around, you could listen to music, you could get work done, you could hang out with your friends.

Speaker 21 No, but their friends could want to have dinner with you or lunch. Not everyone likes dinner.

Speaker 22 They don't? Yeah.

Speaker 21 A lot of people, most people in the world don't spend their life eating dinner.

Speaker 5 Who's recording that? Do we know?

Speaker 18 Doesn't it sound like Caroline Kennedy?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Oh, God.
Sounds like her voice.

Speaker 17 Cannot confirm that, but it does sound like her.

Speaker 19 You know what?

Speaker 18 A few million views for that. What do you guys think about restaurants? Are they bad? Are menus bad?

Speaker 19 Is reading menus taxing?

Speaker 25 I think people born as Kennedys with that bone structure shouldn't be allowed to share opinions. No opinions for you.
A lot of people. You haven't gotten enough negative feedback in your life.

Speaker 18 Well, a lot of people have been forgiving that viral rant because he's so handsome.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 28 I'll be honest.

Speaker 25 Story of his goddamn life.

Speaker 31 Yeah, absolutely. This is an attractive person's rant about the injustice of having to read, which I do.
If you are handsome, I do agree you shouldn't have to.

Speaker 31 Our standards of what constitutes a himbo. I'm sorry.
I need jacked, shirtless, drooling.

Speaker 33 Like,

Speaker 28 just

Speaker 28 a rich, younger man.

Speaker 31 It does not a himbo make. I'm sorry.

Speaker 31 He doesn't deserve the title of himbo is my first response.

Speaker 25 I'm sorry. His story is that you could, why go to a restaurant where you could eat something healthy in 90 seconds? What kind of life is that? Just eating vegetables over the sink?

Speaker 35 Shut up.

Speaker 25 Go back to Kenny Bunkport and leave us the fuck alone.

Speaker 18 It's also, it's like, it'll be covered in sugar. It doesn't have to be covered in sugar.

Speaker 27 You're going to go to any kind of restaurant.

Speaker 25 Say you don't want the miso glaze, you rich fuck.

Speaker 18 I think he has some confusion about the restaurants he's been to. Like, we only have a couple of choices.
Like, have you been to the fucking Cheesecake Factory?

Speaker 36 Plenty of choices there.

Speaker 25 The menu is about a hundred pages.

Speaker 18 And we have to read something in order to get the food first. Have you been to Denny's? Have you seen picture menus?

Speaker 25 I am surprised. Yeah.
Shabu Shabu, healthy vegetables, pictures on the menu.

Speaker 18 Check out any of a lot of picture menus.

Speaker 25 Does he know about Shabu Shabu?

Speaker 31 In his defense, when asked what else would you be doing but going to a restaurant, his first example was go lie down. And that is what I would like to do.

Speaker 28 So I'm like, he's all wrong.

Speaker 31 He does make some points.

Speaker 18 The variety piece on this said that there were were echoes of Camelot.

Speaker 25 I'll throw this fucking Diet Coke across the room.

Speaker 6 Echoes of Camelot?

Speaker 39 No.

Speaker 39 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 18 And it somehow grouped Jack's thing with RFK Jr.'s views because it was like a new generation.

Speaker 6 It does seem conspiratorial.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 18 it's conspiratorial.

Speaker 13 And it may be a more benign.

Speaker 6 conspiracy. Yeah, I'd say it is.

Speaker 25 I'd say it is more benign.

Speaker 25 If people don't go to restaurants, kids don't die on measles.

Speaker 2 Give him time.

Speaker 37 40 years of that, he's going to be pumping on yourself.

Speaker 31 he's starting strong for insanity like 30 years from now he's absolutely going to be president over yeah anyway when we're all fighting in the thunderdome he step he waves the dust good one yeah it makes you think it makes you think about he's just asking questions about restaurants

Speaker 12 just asking questions i get it i get it I'm so glad you did this topic.

Speaker 18 I enjoy a restaurant. I like eating at them.
I like enjoying the company of other people who are at the restaurant.

Speaker 8 I would say it's one of actually the great pleasures in my life.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I don't know what else.

Speaker 13 I don't know what else I would be doing.

Speaker 18 I don't do much else.

Speaker 6 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 25 If I cross that off my list, I'll tell you, you know what's a joy too?

Speaker 25 Hey, you want to meet for dinner at 6 p.m.?

Speaker 25 Oh, my God. Sign me up.

Speaker 18 Oh, I mean,

Speaker 18 now I have a toddler.

Speaker 17 I ate dinner at like 5 p.m. Yeah, I get home from this office.

Speaker 18 I need food immediately.

Speaker 37 I almost said best thing about having a baby, but not the best thing.

Speaker 6 But one great thing about having a baby is you can make a 5 p.m.

Speaker 2 reservation and no one bats an eye at it.

Speaker 7 Yeah. She's just.

Speaker 18 Emily and I go to bed, and it's still light out these days.

Speaker 25 The solstice. Oh, my goodness.
Solstice.

Speaker 30 It's the solstice.

Speaker 18 You eat dinner at 5:30.

Speaker 13 You're in bed by 7:30.

Speaker 33 Heaven, I'll be absolutely honest.

Speaker 31 Easier to get a reservation, too.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then it's 4:30 a.m.

Speaker 9 They are up early on the way.

Speaker 22 I'm shocked when I wake up. Why East Coast is there already?

Speaker 17 It's wild. It's not by choice.
It's wild. Yeah, I wish I could sleep later.

Speaker 13 My boys are up. My boys are up.

Speaker 25 My boys are early risers.

Speaker 24 They're early.

Speaker 16 6 a.m. is the noon noon.

Speaker 18 6 a.m.

Speaker 27 would be so sweet to sleep cool.

Speaker 27 I love that.

Speaker 11 Anyway, you're three. Okay, cool.

Speaker 12 Three. Yeah, I saw that.
I'm really glad you brought it too. I'm glad someone.

Speaker 17 No, I figured some people would see it, but I wanted to talk about it.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 20 You guys are going to hate, hate mine.

Speaker 8 So I regret to inform you that Republicans are rapping, and they're doing it a lot.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of rapping.

Speaker 32 I saw this. Oh, my God.

Speaker 9 Here's the first of three awful clips that you're going to have to sit through.

Speaker 41 It's the vake like cake. I'm not fake, and I swim in a lake of truth.
That's me, the vake.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 42 That's Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy aka Devek.

Speaker 7 He is freestyling there on Michael Smirka's street.

Speaker 30 I was able to realize that there are two people in this room

Speaker 27 covering their eyes with their hands.

Speaker 7 He's the author of the books like Woke Inc., which attacks social justice movements.

Speaker 37 Not at all surprisingly, he now sells anti-woke investment products.

Speaker 37 So for a pretty pretty big fee, you can buy into his ETFs and other investment products to, I guess, show how much you hate people like us.

Speaker 7 He's also running for president and hack the system to get all this PR.

Speaker 37 But, guys, unfortunately, this is not the first time he rapped.

Speaker 7 Vivek was a libertarian rapper as an undergrad at Harvard.

Speaker 17 Here's another clip from the good old days.

Speaker 17 never let it go.

Speaker 6 Stop it, stop it, stop it before we lose all the subscribers.

Speaker 4 Yes, he's covering Lose Yourself.

Speaker 3 Someone who's tried to karaoke an Eminem song, Don't Ever Try It It's Impossible.

Speaker 7 He walks faster than you.

Speaker 37 He competed in Harvard Open Mic Nights.

Speaker 3 I think that one was a competition to open for Buster Rhymes.

Speaker 7 So, some really early odds, throwbacks here.

Speaker 43 Busta Rhymes, an incredibly talented rapper.

Speaker 6 Oh, my God.

Speaker 37 The Harvard Crimson wrote, Davek only emerges when Ramaswamy is outfitted entirely in black, complete with a black Kango hat.

Speaker 3 Vivek told Politico, quote, I saw myself honestly making it big through American capitalism, and that's why Eminem's story spoke to me.

Speaker 29 I wonder if the part of the story where rapacious capitalist gun in Detroit spoke to him as well, but you know, whatever.

Speaker 7 He wants to raise the voting age to 25, which seems very hip-hop to me.

Speaker 37 So,

Speaker 6 bad news for you.

Speaker 43 Kids don't get a say.

Speaker 37 Yoke. It gets worse.

Speaker 7 I'm sad to say. There's an entire genre of MAGA rappers.

Speaker 7 Here's a clip from a Vice story that dug dug deep into this.

Speaker 37 They spent about 45 minutes with MAGA rappers.

Speaker 1 Finish the sentence for me. MAGA rap is.

Speaker 28 Oh my God.

Speaker 13 Faith, family, guns,

Speaker 22 Trump.

Speaker 6 Gun toting, Bible reading, God-believing truth.

Speaker 41 We've made a brand new culture.

Speaker 29 They call us MAGA rappers.

Speaker 44 My fans and my people are just Trump crazy.

Speaker 36 I am MAGA.

Speaker 13 Like, you can't get more MAGA than me.

Speaker 24 We're the Patriots set.

Speaker 38 We're the Patriots set up.

Speaker 23 Trump's a boss. I'm a boss.

Speaker 44 Trump's got the hate. I got the hate.
Trump had the girls, I got the girls. Trump's got the money, I'm getting the money.

Speaker 24 Oh my god.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God. Okay.

Speaker 4 So the guy with the hands on the face have gotten worse. The guy with the face tattoo is named Forgiato Blow, aka Kurt.

Speaker 6 His name is Kurt. A.K.A.

Speaker 28 Kurt.

Speaker 43 Oh, because there already was a Curtis Blow.

Speaker 43 Can't be Curtis Blow too and suck that much.

Speaker 37 There's another rapper in that clip called Stony Dude Bro.

Speaker 37 There's a whole industry of these guys who just like make songs

Speaker 9 very quickly.

Speaker 4 And what they're really good at is torturing people with songs about the news cycle.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to spare you the clip of Roger Stone dancing to Forgiato Blows hip-hop because that's just not nice.

Speaker 2 But this is the rabbit hole I went down in part thanks to another thing I've been working on.

Speaker 27 Yeah, it's a dark, dark place, and there's a lot of MAGA rap and they make a lot of money.

Speaker 43 What do they call the people that listen to them? Are they the ear plugalos?

Speaker 43 Maggots.

Speaker 28 Maggots.

Speaker 5 I just, and they're all from like Tampa.

Speaker 27 They all

Speaker 45 it's very much like giving that like English literature teacher who's like, you know, Shakespeare is a lot like rap music.

Speaker 43 Oh my God. That is, it's, there is nothing more hip-hop, right? Than reinforcing existing social structures.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 32 That is what rap and punk really are all about. For sure.

Speaker 43 We want stuff to stay exactly the same and actually be even more established. Right.

Speaker 43 That's like the rich should have more money because that it should be, it should be even more rigid.

Speaker 13 Yeah, the original blues artists feared change.

Speaker 2 That was their issue.

Speaker 38 Yep.

Speaker 43 They played right on the beat every time. No improvisation.
All of those notes are written down.

Speaker 17 One and three. Yeah, that's what they did.

Speaker 30 Those notes are written down.

Speaker 43 Tommy, that's a five.

Speaker 32 That's a hard five.

Speaker 38 It's a hard five. It's a hard five.

Speaker 43 You watched a lot of MAGA rap.

Speaker 3 So much.

Speaker 25 Over the weekend, I saw a little indie film made for a song called Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

Speaker 26 Oh.

Speaker 3 How was it?

Speaker 26 It's great. Okay.

Speaker 25 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is great.

Speaker 29 Awesome. The movies are back.

Speaker 25 That's what I thought. I'm sitting there.
I'm watching trailers. I'm watching trailers for Oppenheimer.

Speaker 25 I'm watching trailers for there's Dune, there's Dead Reckoning, there's a bunch of movies I'm looking forward to. And I'm sitting there thinking the 2023 movies are back.

Speaker 25 And then someone says, no, actually, Dial of Destiny is people think it's bombing. It's doing really poorly.
It was really expensive to make it. It's not doing well.
What the fuck?

Speaker 29 It's great.

Speaker 25 So then I start digging. Turns out they got cocky.
They brought it to the Cannes Film Festival, and it only got a five-minute standing ovation.

Speaker 6 That's

Speaker 25 which is apparently

Speaker 25 in the great inflation

Speaker 6 era.

Speaker 16 You've got to watch some Canned standing O's, my friend.

Speaker 26 Five minutes is nothing.

Speaker 13 Five minutes is nothing.

Speaker 37 23 minutes for some best supporting actor.

Speaker 6 23 minutes. Yeah, Yeah, for

Speaker 25 it's like they're watching like the Grand Guignon.

Speaker 28 Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 32 Pants Life Everything's good, though.

Speaker 25 I don't know.

Speaker 25 Eyeballs and hands and put me to sleep.

Speaker 28 Five minutes, I'd be like, okay, let's wrap this up, everybody.

Speaker 25 But anyway, but here's what happened.

Speaker 25 The people that liked it, their viewers that like it didn't rave and the reviewers that didn't like it were able to criticize it and pan it the same way because crystal skull was so bad but this is why i wanted to talk about this because it's like People have been trained to expect bad shit from these studios for like Crystal Skull bad a bunch of the the DC movies, bad, some of the latest Marvel movies have been mediocre, and so people are not going to the theaters as much.

Speaker 25 And what I wanted to talk about is the fact that Tom Cruise has Dead Reckoning coming out in a couple weeks.

Speaker 25 And there's two clips of what Tom Cruise is putting out there to get people ready for this movie.

Speaker 31 The man at this point wants to die, is what I think.

Speaker 12 So, just already before we started, he's in a suit, he's got goggles on. It's very intense.

Speaker 36 This is real.

Speaker 23 Tom Cruise rides a motorcycle off a cliff in real life and then uses a parachute

Speaker 21 six times today.

Speaker 35 Six times today.

Speaker 31 I mean, it does make me want to see it.

Speaker 19 What is he doing?

Speaker 31 He's burning through motorcycles.

Speaker 25 Fuck yeah. The parachute opens.
Tom Cruise lives.

Speaker 25 And every, look at the director with his hands over his fucking face.

Speaker 24 That was

Speaker 28 the fuck.

Speaker 25 Then the next clip. This is only one stunt.
He's 61 years old. 61 years young.

Speaker 40 So look at him.

Speaker 25 Two cameras, one on each hip.

Speaker 25 He jumps off a cliff with a parachute. He trained to learn how to do this.

Speaker 20 That is so dangerous.

Speaker 6 It's insane.

Speaker 35 Take after take.

Speaker 47 Behind the scenes, we were all in absolute terror.

Speaker 47 Landing, Tom had to be flying towards the camera.

Speaker 40 So what's he doing? Love it. Walk us through what he's doing right now.

Speaker 25 He is flying with a parachute through the air

Speaker 25 and flying into a pickup truck to capture a perfect shot of him landing.

Speaker 27 It is true. A one-of-a-kind.

Speaker 6 That is

Speaker 5 terrifying. That's what the insurance policy was on.

Speaker 25 Tom Cruised during the pandemic, there was this viral clip that went out of him on the set when they were shooting during the pandemic, basically screaming that someone had violated COVID protocol.

Speaker 25 And it got a bit, I would say,

Speaker 25 braggadocious because he said, you know, we are what stands between the end of movies and movies. Like, we are.

Speaker 6 He clearly believes.

Speaker 25 And you know what?

Speaker 26 God fucking bless him.

Speaker 25 This guy knows what it takes to get people into the theaters. He would die for us.

Speaker 25 Tom Cruise would die for a box office opening.

Speaker 19 He will die for us.

Speaker 25 He's going to save the movies.

Speaker 7 You're going to get all the Scientology people after.

Speaker 25 I'll tell you something.

Speaker 27 Barbie's going to save the movie, Boca.

Speaker 25 And I'll say it. I'll say it once.
I'll say it again. If Scientology makes you that awesome, sign me the fuck up.
Oh, no.

Speaker 18 Please don't. Yes,

Speaker 27 it's already hard enough.

Speaker 36 Please don't.

Speaker 12 This is going to be a great arc for you, John. What is it?

Speaker 25 Zinc and some mediocre therapy?

Speaker 27 Yeah, and you can't be gay anymore.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I guess. You just get it started.

Speaker 39 I guess you have to choose between parachutes or kissing a boy.

Speaker 33 Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 27 That sounds fun, but also your legs would shatter.

Speaker 35 You think you're doing that?

Speaker 36 Yeah, I think I am doing that.

Speaker 34 The sexy step off a cliff.

Speaker 25 All I'm saying is, Tom Cruise would die for us. Yeah.
i can't and like that's that's the movies are back thank you

Speaker 31 i don't know i don't know if that makes me online or not i don't care i don't know that's a good question is he going clear or going queer folks find out

Speaker 24 terminally

Speaker 12 that's like a fun thing like over the summer like are you gonna join psychology are you gonna keep being gay and at the end you decide yeah like for august i can go either way yeah yeah drop some eastern yeah mix it up those clips are awesome so good every once in a while there's a movie that comes out where like the stunts and behind the scenes are like cooler than the actual movie, like Mad Max Fury Road.

Speaker 12 Like I could just watch those behind the scenes as many times as the movie.

Speaker 17 I guess one because you're one.

Speaker 36 Yeah, one.

Speaker 17 You're going into the real world to watch a movie. That's cool.

Speaker 6 Hell yeah. Okay, I'll take it.
I don't care.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 2 You're fine. Not online.

Speaker 9 And movies are back.

Speaker 31 I don't know if I would have read this, but it was, of course, it was Bill de Blasio and his wife, Charlene, Charlene McCrae's

Speaker 31 article in the New York Times announcing that they are going going to be dating outside the marriage. They're not getting divorced, but they are separating, but they will continue to live together.

Speaker 31 And it is incredible. Incredible.
And what I would say, I'll just read some articles.

Speaker 32 For example, as a queer person,

Speaker 25 we got to put a dollar in the jar.

Speaker 31 Yeah. And then donate it to votes of America.com slash fuckbands.
Charlene McRae was a lesbian before she got married to Bill de Blasio. And Bill de Blasio basically calls that out in the article.

Speaker 31 He's like, for the guy who took the chance at a woman who was an out lesbian and wrote an article called, I am a lesbian, de Blasio said, there's a part of me that would sometimes say, hmm, is this like a time bomb ticket?

Speaker 31 Is this something that you're going to regret later on?

Speaker 36 So I always live with this stuff. That is a crazy thing to say to the New York Times.

Speaker 27 New York Times, baby.

Speaker 31 I loved every minute of this.

Speaker 31 It was a baffling choice, but also I was like, okay, obviously it's like, oh, we both want to be dating, but then people are going to be like, oh, are you out here cheating on your spouse?

Speaker 31 Well, we'll let everyone know at once by going to the New York Times.

Speaker 6 Three-hour interview.

Speaker 31 Incredible. And also, it does feel kind of queer because they do seem like they're still friends,

Speaker 31 based perhaps solely on the many beautifully shot photos of them holding hands.

Speaker 31 And I guess what I liked about it is, like, this is something that, like, if you saw like a couple of you do this online, you'd be like, okay, complicated, but hey, you do you, whatever.

Speaker 31 To go to the New York Times is to take an online sentiment, which I support, and be like, I'm going to put this in the paper of note is so insane to me.

Speaker 25 Can you just read these three paragraphs?

Speaker 31 Yes, so here at the very end, they will continue to share the home for the time being, Ms. McRae said.

Speaker 31 For now, a photo of the couple in Times Square on New Year's Eve still greets visitors, which may come to include suitors.

Speaker 31 Ms. McCrae asked dryly if their phone numbers could be included in the newspaper.
No. Can I put a picture from the gym in there? Mr.
Blasio asked.

Speaker 31 He added that he was, quote, not a believer in online online dating. Well, you will be soon, honey.

Speaker 33 Good luck.

Speaker 18 How did I not make it to the end of this?

Speaker 31 Wow. And they play a song called Mango by a artist named, I think, Camus.
And it's basically like, I love you so much that whatever you need to be happy, I will be here. And I support it.

Speaker 31 And I'm like, again, that's great. It's just, I've never had a kind of relationship where I'm like, we got to take it to the times and let them know that we're fucking outside the relationship.

Speaker 31 But I support it.

Speaker 5 Albert Camus made music.

Speaker 29 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 14 When you're famous, you need a rollout strategy or else people just accuse you of cheating. Yes.

Speaker 37 But here's what I would have gone with an Instagram.

Speaker 6 Maybe even a carousel.

Speaker 13 You need multiple interviews.

Speaker 25 We continue to love each other, but we're separated.

Speaker 29 Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 31 And there's just like a lot of like lovely freaks.

Speaker 18 Why did they do that? I don't know.

Speaker 12 Did they give a reason in the interview?

Speaker 30 They say that they had a conversation.

Speaker 25 They said, quote, we want to get freaky, end quote.

Speaker 6 They said, we're both hungry for some strange.

Speaker 34 Oh, I'm sure they didn't.

Speaker 28 They didn't specify that.

Speaker 33 They said, after

Speaker 27 two months ago, that's real.

Speaker 33 I thought that was real. No, no.

Speaker 25 i mean why did they go to the new york times

Speaker 18 oh yeah she said i just want to have fun she said adding as mr deblasio turned to her it's not that we haven't had fun thank you honey he said every line barf sorry

Speaker 31 barf barf barf barf and i was like these are obviously like conversations that everyone has privately in their own like yeah you know what i mean obviously like you've been together a long time hey what do you want to do that's fine to take it to the times i loved it i thought it was chaotic in a really fun and interesting way during the three-hour interview during which they cupped hands sporadically and once high-fived in agreement.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 17 It's making me long for the Elliott Spitzer days.

Speaker 27 This is horrible.

Speaker 31 Also, he dyed his hair, which they mentioned in the R.

Speaker 30 It's like too dark.

Speaker 27 Okay. Oh, very.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 35 What?

Speaker 31 I never anticipated ever doing anything with hair color. He said it was now strikingly dark, close crop.

Speaker 18 Also, what did it for her, the final straw for her seemed to be his presidential campaign, which was just

Speaker 25 nobody wanted to fuck him after that?

Speaker 12 There's kids, right?

Speaker 31 Yes, they're both grown, though.

Speaker 28 They were both like in the 20s.

Speaker 2 They were like part of the situation, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 46 their son came to the office.

Speaker 31 But isn't it weird to say we don't plan a divorce? Where it's like, well, what happens when one of you meets someone and then you want to get divorced?

Speaker 32 Then you're going to come back to the times again.

Speaker 31 Give an update. Hey, sorry.
It turns out we are going to get divorced.

Speaker 19 I loved it. That was awesome.

Speaker 6 That's we did.

Speaker 18 We did save the best for last.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 31 I mean, and thank you so much to the former first couple of years.

Speaker 10 Did he really say he's not going to do online dating? Yes.

Speaker 34 I was like, of course you know.

Speaker 17 What are you talking about?

Speaker 31 Exactly.

Speaker 28 Like, what bar?

Speaker 12 He's an inconspicuous guy.

Speaker 7 He's like 6'8.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 31 I guess if you're in New York and you're single,

Speaker 6 I've had it.

Speaker 25 Hey, just like this, just keeps getting better. I'm going, you're going home with Bill de Blasio, and you walk into the door, and there's his wife

Speaker 29 still there.

Speaker 29 Lovely to meet you.

Speaker 8 Wow. God, I'm reading this for the first time.

Speaker 4 It began with an offhand remark.

Speaker 7 Why aren't you lovey-dovey anymore? Mr.

Speaker 11 de Blasio asked his wife. Oh my God.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Some things are for the times, some things are for therapy.

Speaker 31 I love to bring mess to the times, and more people should be doing it.

Speaker 12 Hallie, it's a New York Times article, so I feel like that's not too online.

Speaker 12 It's definitely the best thing anyone brought because between that and the dinner take, this is the hardest I've laughed at.

Speaker 9 That's normally online.

Speaker 19 It was a funny episode.

Speaker 14 I mean, if I do say so, Arsenal.

Speaker 24 I think we can't.

Speaker 36 Hey, great.

Speaker 13 Are we doing it after the show?

Speaker 24 What are we doing?

Speaker 27 Are we doing our own tomato meter?

Speaker 24 Tomato meter.

Speaker 30 I guess we put Hallie at a two.

Speaker 39 Is this certified?

Speaker 25 Yeah, is this certified fucking fresh? Hallie's a two. Tommy's a four.
John's a five. I'm a one.
You're a five. You're the deadest of them all.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 John Lovett interviewed presidential candidate Chris Christie. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 28 Remember that?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I thought it was awesome. I texted John while I was listening to it and I said, this is great.
And he said, it was stressful as fuck. John, why was it stressful as fuck?

Speaker 25 I just want to make sure that if we're going to have Chris Christie on, it's like worthy of people's time.

Speaker 25 And it's A, not just a place where he can say whatever he wants, but also B, like we're not just doing it to have a like an old school cable news style fight.

Speaker 25 And so I just wanted to make sure that we figured out like, what are we actually trying to ask this person? What am I actually interested in?

Speaker 25 What is the value of actually talking to him?

Speaker 25 And I do think like, you know, there are places where I really wish I'd like pushed back and like, you know, there's always going to be that, but like in hindsight, we're like, oh, I should have like jumped in there.

Speaker 25 I shouldn't have let that go to get to the next thing. But all in all, like, I think we spent a lot of time talking about what Republicans think and why they do what they do.

Speaker 25 And once in a while, probably good to direct that at an actual Republican in the flesh, which is why ultimately I thought it was worth doing.

Speaker 31 Did you know while recording it that you guys had a chemistry that leapt off the screen?

Speaker 6 It's very sexualist, sexual, it was flirtatious at times.

Speaker 18 Cut the tension with a knife.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Look, just two tri-state area boys who

Speaker 25 love pizza in America, you know, and that's what it was.

Speaker 2 Was there any suggestion of like getting together later for a drink just to chat?

Speaker 36 Well, by me, and he said, No, he said no.

Speaker 25 He said, No, no, we're going to leave this here. I'm not interested in that.

Speaker 2 It would be a funny thing. I'd love to get him off the record and hear some stories.

Speaker 3 You know, he's got some hilarious stuff.

Speaker 25 Yeah, right after I did, like, make some, he's, I made some joke about the fact that he, like, that he'd hit some traffic. And I was like, probably could have used an extra tunnel into New York.

Speaker 25 And he's like, well, it's not just one tunnel. You don't know the project.
And then we kind of got into it for one second off, which I was appreciative.

Speaker 13 That's good. But yeah.

Speaker 30 Would you have Mike Pence on?

Speaker 25 What do you think? Do we have Mike Pence on? Yeah.

Speaker 24 So boring.

Speaker 12 This is a future question that I have here, Hallie.

Speaker 12 Is would you have any other republicans on and i would love to have mike pence on just because of how you went in on christie for like how'd you square that like how do you square your comments now with them and then just doing that to pence who is way less quick on his feet and way deeper in to the shit than christie was pence is just a talking point machine though i'll just be like well the constitution might fail like he just won't say anything i think the standard has to be like do we think there's like a possibility of like a good faith discussion of some kind?

Speaker 25 I think that's actually like one of the challenges of the Trump era is once you've agreed to go along with Trump, you've sort of given up any credibility or sense that you can have an honest conversation because you've sold your soul.

Speaker 25 So that's why I think we would never have real Trump people on.

Speaker 25 And it's hard to figure out the Venn diagram of people who disagree enough that it's like a worthy like debate, but the people who aren't so far gone that you're talking to like just sort of sellouts who have no scruples.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think it's a question of what is the purpose and the effect of having the person on, right?

Speaker 18 Like platforming gets thrown around as a word, and I think sometimes we don't like define it well enough.

Speaker 18 And it's like, I don't know that if we had Mike Pence on, that would generate any Mike Pence supporters.

Speaker 4 Not one

Speaker 36 person.

Speaker 13 So like, I am not afraid that having Mike Pence on to be Podze of America listeners being like, you know what?

Speaker 6 I kind of like Mike Pence.

Speaker 39 I should say that.

Speaker 19 I should suddenly support Mike Pence for president.

Speaker 18 But I do think that said, like, you should have a purpose of having the person on. Right.

Speaker 18 And I think that, Lovett, you went into that interview with a purpose, which is, okay, great that Chris Christie is trying to defeat Trump now, but like, how did he do that 180? Right.

Speaker 18 And like, shouldn't he have to answer for all the shit that he did before?

Speaker 19 And, and what was he thinking?

Speaker 18 And what was the decision-making process?

Speaker 19 So there was like a value to that, I think.

Speaker 18 And I think if you go into one of these interviews with that in mind and not just like, oh, I'm talking to a Republican because I'm talking to a Republican, then it could be worthwhile.

Speaker 10 I think the other thing we learned from some of our candidate interviews in 2020 was if you use the opportunity to ask them about things they don't often get asked about, sometimes you can elicit new information and something interesting.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 3 I still don't think Mike Fence is going to say anything interesting, but like, I could imagine talking to Nikki Haley, trying to press run foreign policy in ways that like the other press corps just finds boring.

Speaker 18 so they don't yeah yeah so are there republicans you think that are out there like are we softening the ground for tim scott with with that bet or i mean part of it is like i think that the love it and christie thing was a perfect mix of he is a republican that we'd feel comfortable having on because he's out there trying to destroy trump and also he seemed desperate enough to want to be on pod save america yeah and also there's no conceivable way he will be president so they're sort of like okay good like even if somehow one person was like i will vote for Chris Christie, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 18 Like, look, if Tim Scott wanted to come on, I would want to sit here and grill him for 30 minutes on like, how could you have responded to this indictment by saying that like, there's a two-tiered system of justice and they're just after Trump and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 18 Like, did you, you were in the Capitol that day?

Speaker 19 Like, what are you, what the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 18 Like, I would love to go in on that.

Speaker 8 He's also like, I'm the kindler, gentler version of the GOP guy.

Speaker 15 And he's also just demagoguing the hell out of gay people and trans people all day long.

Speaker 14 He's saying things that are just as vicious about men and women playing sports together.

Speaker 18 I mean, it's just, you know, yeah, how is that like love thy neighbor as thyself, right?

Speaker 6 I would love to ask those questions.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 25 I also think like one other sort of meta reason that it's worth considering having people like that on is all the concern around platforming.

Speaker 25 It's like the goal isn't to build like a magnificent, delicate information cathedral that you don't touch. It's like you have to try to get people to go inside.

Speaker 25 And the right doesn't give a fuck about of this. They'll talk to anybody.
Like Joe Rogan will talk to anybody. Ben Shapiro will talk to anybody.

Speaker 25 And they spend a lot less time worrying about who they're going to platform or not, in part because they have fewer scruples.

Speaker 25 But that does leave a lot more room to think about like, what's interesting? What makes this an exciting debate for people to listen to? What makes this contentiousness worth clicking on?

Speaker 25 And I think we would do well on our side to think a little bit more about like, how do we keep people engaged and thinking like, this is the center of the debate.

Speaker 19 This is where people have to come for good and for all. Also, if you don't listen, don't fucking listen.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 7 It's a podcast. Delete it.

Speaker 12 This is from Great Name, Chief Iglesias Interpreter.

Speaker 42 Oh, my God. Oh, boy.

Speaker 12 They want to know. I'm turning 30 soon, and I've been thinking a lot about aging and what it does to a person.
Shut the fuck. Well, I enjoy these days better in my early 20s.

Speaker 12 I can't deny that I tire more easily, get aches here and there, and know it's only going to get worse as I become older. With the Pod Save team mostly hitting their 40s,

Speaker 12 wondering what you you all do to stay youthful um

Speaker 31 drink adrenochrome i have like a cyanide capsule in my in the back of my tooth and every day i'm like i'm i can't if i it's there if i need it it's there if i need it honestly

Speaker 13 so that's what i do um can't top that can't top that well If you don't exercise, you know, eat healthy.

Speaker 9 Don't go to restaurants.

Speaker 7 I don't go to restaurants.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm not giving this trolling question a real response. Shut up about your 30s.

Speaker 20 It's going to be great.

Speaker 26 30s are great.

Speaker 18 I never felt better in my 30s.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I actually think.

Speaker 18 I'd give anything to be 30 again.

Speaker 39 All right.

Speaker 25 I actually think 20s, 20s to 30s is like a lot of brain changing. 30 to 40, you really just, your body does begin to really fall apart.
If you think you're aching now, just wait.

Speaker 18 No, for me, it was 40.

Speaker 38 It's kind of like a fun game, though.

Speaker 31 You just like recalibrate once you realize, like, oh, no, if I do something wrong, then I wake up at two in the morning. You kind of have to make it, have fun with it, or else it will make you go in.

Speaker 18 You know what helps?

Speaker 6 Zbiotics. Yeah.

Speaker 25 Like, am I dying or did I have a snack too late?

Speaker 20 That's the real issue.

Speaker 17 Sleep, sleep's important, which you won't be able to do, which you won't be able to do.

Speaker 12 That'll wrap up the advice column.

Speaker 17 That'll wrap up Terminal.

Speaker 25 What a note to Levon. God damn it, Elijah.

Speaker 27 Oh, sorry, learn how to sequence a fucking show.

Speaker 12 You'll never be able to sleep again.

Speaker 18 You want some advice on that?

Speaker 6 Yeah, what kind of, yeah, I got advice for Elijah after we're done.

Speaker 12 Go ahead, go ahead, give the advice because Cameron could use it.

Speaker 40 How to improve the podcast is what the people want.

Speaker 22 All right, the red table.

Speaker 5 Good stuff.

Speaker 12 Thanks for listening to Terminal Live. We'll see you all next week.

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