Gavin on TV // The Rules of Time Machine Baseball [51]

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Hello and welcome to another episode episode of the Regulation Podcast. This is number 051.
My name is Jeff Ramsey. With me, as always, Andrew Panton, Gavin Free, Nick Schwartz, and Eric Badour.

I did notice that you named the last one Regulation 050. Does that mean you're just guaranteeing we've got the space to go over into three digits? Yeah, at this point, I'd like to.

Yeah, well, I assume we're going to get there. I think it's a good commitment.
One of the first episodes, Jeff made the regulation thumbnail of the Panopticon. It's like episode 000000002.

Very useful thinking.

I have something to bring up. Just real quick, I have a question.
Kind of a query.

Gavin, you were on TV in Australia? What? Gavin was in TV in Australia? Yeah, I did a little bit of breakfast telly. What? Breakfast telly? What? What?

Just Australia wanted to talk to me. So I said, yeah, right.
Do it.

Here's an Instagram reel about it from Morning Show on 7. Yeah.
One half of the Slow-Mo guys details why they began their channel. Wow, 126 likes.

Well, I imagine more people are watching it on TV. So that leads me, like, very cool.
Hey, very happy for you. That's a dude.
Slow-mo guys, that's really awesome. Did

a regulation come up? You ever say, check out my podcast? Oh, he never promotes us. I didn't strategically place three Gerplas in my background.
Yeah, that's good. You're like Phil Spencer.

I'll take that.

I was on Australian breakfast TV once in the past, but I lived in England at the time. So I went straight from the pub to a TV station at 1 a.m.
to do it. But thankfully, this time I did it at 6.

I don't know.

You're saying...

Jeff, that's me. Can you see those Gerplers?

Where do you want them?

No. Oh, yeah, I see one.
I mean, like, I mean,

he definitely is showcasing his Dyson fan. He wants everybody to see that.
Yeah, that's to keep the door closed so he doesn't piss it there.

Yeah, no, I see it. Maybe take a drink from it, everyone.
That's what I'm doing.

I take it back. Nick's got it, man.
Hell yeah. I like they're just back in the shadows.

They're not lit or anything.

This would be a great opportunity to use the new button I put on my stream deck. And what's that? Yeah, what's your button?

Turn your panel.

I think Nick has that too, for sure.

Custom nod for just Eric on Discord.

So

they reached out and they said, hey, we want to talk. The Australian news channel is like, well,

let's discuss. You and I.

Light-hearted segment. Oh, great.
Every so often I get wheeled out. When did you start Slow-Mo guys? What year was it? 2010.

I'm glad that it took them 15 years to finally care enough to ask, why did you start this?

Very timely question.

This new channel that's been around for 15 years. Almost two decades ago.

Are you saying they should have asked a different question or they shouldn't have bothered talking to me at all?

I don't think they should have bothered talking to me at all, unless that's the only question.

I mean, this is well-covered covered ground sorry i need to make a new stream deck button

i would be annoyed if i got if the australian news reached out to me it was like hey why did you start this thing you started 15 years ago that you've talked about countless times in multiple places i don't think we need the deep dive australian news i think you can google that

You know how in, uh, you know how in Dead Space, uh, Isaac had his health meter on the back and he could watch it go up and down?

Hanging out with you guys is just raising my health meter. I'm like,

80% right now. My blue bar is almost to the top.
Is that all they asked you? They haven't, how did you start?

Is there more to this? I talked to them for like four or five minutes.

So they asked you how they started, and then they made Dan be a corn cat on TV. And then they...
Wait, this was the whole segment? This Instagram thing?

What?

Okay. They reached out to do that? Let me ask you something.

mean let's let's just sit down let me ask you let's ask a question boy nothing's happening to Australia apparently I'm just gonna ask you a simple question here actually you ready go ahead what what do you want

I just I don't it's not what I want what is me questioning what do they want why do they want this now

Now I think I love you more Gavin is always good, but it's just a weird ask now to be, hey, can you come on our news station? We got to figure figure out how this is going to be. It's just office TV.

It's not the, it's not the news. Especially when you're in the news.
Yeah, but you've been there before. You said you've been there before.
Yeah, you could have been promoting like new stuff.

You know what I mean? Yeah, what are you doing? Are you just promoting the Slomo guys exists?

Yeah.

So they reached out to ask you to promote that the Slomo guys exists.

Can you reach back out to them and see if you can be on it again to talk about this podcast? Or

I want to get Andrew on an interview.

I want to get Andrew this gig. I want him to promote regulation podcast on a morning show.
How do we make that?

Because Australia would email and say, Hey, Andrew, can you come and talk about regulation on our thing? And he would go on there and be like, What are you asking this for? What are you doing?

That's why I want these questions. We've been doing this.
We've been doing this for five years. It's a more relevant question than why didn't you make this channel 15 years ago?

it's just a weird ass because you're not promoting anything like it's not like you're like whoa I got this big video coming out let's talk about this or yeah I did this thing slow-mo world or whatever

do you have to promote something all the time I just feel like typically when you're brought on to do something it's because you're doing a thing of current relevance and as great as slow-mo guys is

It starting is not relevant. Sometimes they like to wheel out some little has-been people.
I think it's fine.

I don't think you're a has-been at all. Let me be clear.
I'm not saying that. Slow-mo guys, fantastic, still incredible, but it's just a weird time to roll you out to be like, what's hey?

So you made this thing, huh? Andrew, why did you decide to start the regulation podcast? Hey, why don't you mind your goddamn business? Australia.

You know what, that?

I bet you if you Google why was Slow-Mo Guy started, there's a variety of answers. I don't think they actually were wondering.

I think they were trying to make a little bit of light entertainment piece. I just think it's a dumb question.
And I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming them.

He's got a point.

I found one from, here's one from

2020 that's just, why did you create Slow-Mo guys? And it's from, it's on Facebook, I guess, but it's just, it's Gavin on another morning show. No, no, no.

On the Slow-Mo guys channel explaining why he created it. So you've put out your own video about this.

You should have teased that video in your interview. They should have just asked permission to play the video.
It would have been the insane thing.

All right, in this next segment, we're just going to watch this video this guy posted on Facebook. I mean, they just, they're decorating a thing that's just exists.

I just feel like if I were you, you know, you're someone who really cares about your time. I feel like they wasted your time.

Did they waste my time? I think they wasted.

Yeah.

Mr. Fucking, I don't want to take five seconds to tail sink suddenly as five minutes to answer a question that has been fucking rode into the ground across 15 years.

The tail sink isn't really about the time. It's about I don't want to do this every morning for the next month.

It's five seconds. It's not.

Think about all the tailsync. The length of that interview could have been so many tailsyncs.
People are comparing the tailsink conversation to why don't you back up your files thing.

It's not the same.

One of them.

No. One of them is like, oh, I've got a fire extinguisher here in case of a fire.
Your thing is,

it's like, I've got a pineapple here in case of a fire. Does not apply.
Doesn't come in handy. They should have just pulled up a video and said, what was that about?

That would have been a better interview.

How'd you start this thing? Just watching YouTube videos with Gavin. What do you think about this one? Oh, this is the Charlie.
Charlie bit my finger.

I can't listen to this interview. Did you say you started it to join a company that is defunct? And I guess now back, but no, died.
No, I just kept it light. Kept it quick.
Kept it light.

Well, it's just like slow-mo in it.

Moving pictures.

Man, I don't think I like this Australian news. This is fucking delightful.
Hey, I didn't expect any of you to notice I was on Australian TV and I did not expect

this to brought this up. I thought you were about it.

I thought I could just sneak onto telly and no one would notice. Maybe like if someone reached out to Jeff and asked, why did Red vs.
Blue start? It's like, well,

we passed that point. We're good.
People don't know who I am, though. They might be seeing it for the first time.
I don't know what you.

People weren't born when I started it. You think the value of Slow-Mo guys is learning why you started it? You think that's the exciting aspect of the channel?

Man,

these things are moving at an insanely slow speed. Wow, is this cool? You know what'd make this better if I knew why it started? Oh man.

Would I give this video a thumbs up if only I knew why this whole process began? Well, why do movie people keep making origin stories?

I mean, they have to...

Superheroes? People don't like that either. That's true.
I don't like that. People are sick of it.
I feel like there was a whole thing with Spider-Man where everyone was like, we get it. We know.

We all know. We all know.
Uncle Ben. He's dead.
He gets killed. We don't need it.

I just think next time you get asked to do a morning news show and they... Were you prepped ahead of time of what the question was going to be what the context no but they said they would ask like

five questions over five minutes or something what other questions did they ask yeah i wish i could actually listen to this

i'm just going based off the text while andrew's listening what was your favorite question oh yeah i don't remember the questions uh there were only five they just played some clips and asked me about him they talked about like working with Will Smith and stuff.

Oh, that's a good question. Did they ask about his Oscar slap? No.

Why not?

I feel like that's the most interesting thing about Will Smith.

This has been the best use of Nick, by the way, just in the background.

Why not? They're only five. Come on.

A plus Nick episode. Well, I bet you after your Australian news appearance, your fucking numbers must be off the charts.
I'm glad you can find time

to hang out with us here.

Here's what we do.

Must be on fire because of that morning news thing.

Oh,

executive desk. We're gonna get you a green screen.
We're gonna roll the cameras. We're gonna do a live interview.
And you're gonna interview me. And

I want to hear how good your questions could be. But the problem with the scenario that you're pitching is that I would need to be the one that wants to do that.

I'm not the Australian news. I'm not asking to do that.
I'm not saying I have better questions. I'm not trying to initiate the interview i don't think the actual hosts

either

i think what it's i think they were just doing their job i think they were reading auto cue and they were being friendly i don't know what you want from either me or australia so you don't think the hosts were excited to talk to you i would like to think the hosts have some level of uh deciding that approval

I bet you they could thumbs down if they wanted.

And I don't know why you're getting hot at me. I feel like I'm advocating for you.
I think I'm on your side in this whole thing.

Is that how it sounds? I'm trying to think if that's how it sounds. I'm not against Gavin in any way of this process.
I think it's all the Australian news is where they dropped the ball.

I've definitely gotten that impression from this.

I think I've been pretty clear. I think it's the Australian news's fault.
I don't think Gavin did anything wrong. He answered the call.
I just think it was a ridiculous call to answer.

Didn't you start off by saying the gripper is way too small?

No, I was the pro-Grippler.

i criticized your grippler placement oh sorry too

i think it would be good if you you took a sip of it maybe took a bite out of a cosmic crisp while the interview is happening i think there's a lot you could have done okay

i think you i think you could have said regulation podcast one time that's really my that's like to me like the crux of the whole thing i think you could have said my my slow-mo brother dan aka ian and then slowly winked at the camera i think there's things you could have done

and looked directly up making sure my ears were visible.

I'm pulling all of these notes because chances are seven to eight years from now, I might get wheeled out again on tele. So why'd you start?

Why did you start something in like 2017 that we're not aware of?

Oh, fuck.

Rough episode to be you, Gavin. Jesus Christ.

Once again, not Gavin's fault, Australian news. This is all free promotion.
I don't know what you're talking about.

For us?

It says,

we gain nothing from this outside of joy.

This has been so good. I saw a clip of it the other day of you on Australian TV and I had my note of it.
And then at the same time, a...

A regulation listener or comment lever now actually posted the video on the subreddit.

And it's good because now people are leaving comments and classic image 9008 to think this is the same guy that didn't know that worms was six players.

Legend of Lelda just said, but he did.

Now that would be some hard-hitting journals.

They ask you why you didn't articulate. Yeah, why didn't they ask about Worms?

I love that our lore is so deep at this point that people are getting like the truth twisted up and ending up in arguments amongst themselves about what I may or may not have known. It's brilliant.

Oh, man.

Oh, man. I need to see your other Australian news appearance to see.

I figure they're the same on this. Why didn't you talk about

regulation podcast? Is it only the Australian news that really is reaching out? I feel like you should do more news. Yeah, nothing.
More domestic?

It's not the news.

It's not the news.

It's the morning news.

It's not. It was just...

Do you have like Canadian morning TV where people are just shooting the shit and talk about different stuff? Talking about the music. Yeah, but they have morning show.

Yeah. Well, morning show news, whatever.
It's all very good. They'll have like the weather report and stuff.
Yeah. They'll talk about like entertainment gossip.
It's technically news. Yeah.
Okay.

It's not like 60 minutes, but it is a light news. Why don't you, because you clearly have a problem with Australia.

Why don't you try and advocate for me to appear on your favorite Canadian morning show. Okay.
And we'll see what they do with it. I'll have to find one first.

I'll do some research. Can we move those Gerplers a little closer in frame? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They'll get a lot closer. Number one morning show in Canada is

I don't know what their fucking name is. The Breakfast Television Team.

Oh, Breakfast Teeth.

You could have just made that shit up.

You guys guys got a bunch. Canada AM, CBC News Morning, CP2 for breakfast, CTV Morning Live.

Good morning, Canada.

Salute, bonjour.

You got so many. Your morning.
I got a lot of research to do. What did you used to, what was on TV, oh, pardon me, before you went to school? Or before school started?

Family. Like, I'd watch kids' chefs.
You wouldn't have like someone else in the house who just had some.

No.

Mine was the three stooges. It was on, I would get up an hour early for school every day because it was on

morning TV. How come you weren't on the three stooges promoting slow-mo guys, Gavin?

Gavin Free public figure.

I want to shout out.

I screenshot it and put it in the chat, but chasing the improbable. Gavin can be so eloquent and professional when he isn't being choked out by his cat's breathing

how's that going by the way cat more more cat piss in the room are you doing all right no there's there's some vomit though

oh

is that from jeff yeah i've i've not been there

no just uh it's like a hairball some hairball residue that is still oh hairball ew it's it's so common and then i'm gonna give it a second pass you know what's really nice about like you and jeff uh gavin oh i mean it's truly it's it's one of the i'm gonna say it's a top three thing of being friends with you with both of you it's it's incredibly convenient i can just google when is your birthday it's so nice

i don't have to remember that i just can put it in and search it and then it pops up and i'm like okay that's what it is good to know Because it's such a headache for almost every other person in my life to be like, oh, when I think it's coming up.

It's yours not Googleable? What? No, not at all. Why would mine be Googleable? Well, thankfully, I remember yours.
Wow. Wow, that's sweet.
I don't remember yours. I Google it.
Well,

I care about you, so I remember your birthday.

Oh, I care about you too. I just don't.
That information doesn't stick.

I'm like,

I got to make space ringer Australian news interviews. I got to.

Those are what really matter.

It's not the news. Man, did you see that going that way when you brought it up, Eric?

no i just i was gonna be like why didn't you say the name of this podcast but then andrew uh got fired up i hang on got fired up defending and being on gavin's side yeah yeah number one is advocating for gavin

what an advocate

i'm like your manager This is a bullshit question.

He's in the back. Andrew's on the back in a big 1980s cell phone going, these are bullshit questions.

I feel like if Andrew was my actual agent and we went there together and I was on the news and then I'd come back to the green room and I'd be like, oh, that was really nice.

And he would just be livid.

Just fuming about the questions.

I think I would probably be, if I was your manager, I'd be Team Slow-Mo Guy. And I think I'd be less like I'd be less critical of it.

I mean your boat.

I'd be like, yeah, I get the show out there. You know, it was a pleasant conversation.
It was all sweet. As somebody who is not affiliated anyway with Slow-Mo guys, I could just snipe.

I need to snipe this thing. That's fair.
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slight collaboration with a bit of slow-mo and a bit of regulation that came out with the GTA replays.

Oh, that's incredible. Such a good video.
Awesome. God, that video made it so good.
We actually made that quite a long time ago. I made it right after we finished the first set of heists.
Yep.

A few months ago. But

yeah, that was really fun to do. I'm going to do that for every round of heists, I think.
Oh, wow. Oh, really? Wow.
Yeah, it was really awesome. The audience loved it.
Like, dude, it just did so well.

And then

right before that, we put out

GTA the movie Heist Part 12, which is a three hour and 13 minute video of us being so bad at the video game. I think it would like make me not be a fan anymore.

But there was one attempt where I was probably

16 or 17 frames away from finishing the mission, but it timed out. And it added another 45 minutes to the video.

It's so funny that you bring that up because I just replayed that exact finale last night. I've been going through those heists with some friends that have never gone through it before.

And we did the final heist of the first run.

And

there was a Nick situation. We were doing it on normal.
So you get one life, but somebody died. And the very first time we hit the ramp, I was like, okay, we're going to hit off this cliff.

And once that happens, you're going to need to deploy your parachute.

So hit a and they were in their snack menu and so we went off the cliff and then i heard a bunch of distress noises and then it's saying they died in the bottom right corner of the screen and then

i was in the snack menu it wouldn't let me i realized why i had i didn't have the best memory of that heist and i think it's because i've only done it on the criminal masterminds run The original run through the heists that Achievement Hunter did, Jeff was in that heist.

Wow. Really? Man,

I have no memory of doing any of those heists.

So the whole like jump off the cliff on the bikes thing was completely new to me because when you're doing criminal masterminds, you don't need to go up there. You can just drive to the boat.

Interesting.

It was a rough evening where the group I was with, we failed like maybe seven or eight times in a row. And I just muted my mic and went, I can't do this again.

We can't.

This can't keep happening. I'm never doing this again.

I mean, I feel like we're still ditch the bikes. Just go at a car.
The bikes were fine. The bikes are no problem.
The bikes are no

problem. Did you see the deaths? People tallied up the deaths.
Not mine. I mean, yeah.
I was fine on the bikes, is all I'm saying. I like the bikes.
Let me get that thing. I'm going to find it.

Yeah, somebody did like a heat map of all the where we died. It was great.

It was really cool. Why were you dying on the bikes? You just exposed to gunshots? Yeah, you just get shot.
Yeah, it's just like so many cops are coming at you.

Like, it's it's a lot, but why wouldn't you get in a car or van or something? Because you steal bikes to

the bikes are bulletproof tires, which is the main reason to use them. The cars, you get a pop tire and then it takes forever to get to the end.

And it's dangerous switching. It's

we all essentially died on one stretch of road, if I remember correctly, the heat map. It was like, he called it the death zone.

And it's 90% of our dying is like on one street. It's such a brutal video, Jeff.
It's just, it's three, it's almost three and a half hours of us just being so bad.

Like there are times where I just like mute and deafen and just had to like stand quietly. Like I just had to like be

not playing the game or hearing any noises. Like I just, it could, I couldn't do it.
It was like, it absolutely broke me, which is crazy because we've played so many more heists from there.

And I've just totally compartmentalized and blocked all of that out. I don't even think about it when we play like regular heists now.

it was at around the same time we were playing through Gears of War on the hardest difficulty. And so my tolerance was so high.

Otherwise, I think it would have impacted more, but it was like, oh man, this is, this is just what life is.

This is being dead. This is all I know.
You were here. Yeah.

You were born in the darkness. I was.
Yeah.

What was harder? Gears of war on hardest difficulty or that heist?

Oh, that's tough to measure. I'd say gears.
Yeah, I would say that gears. I think there's a certain area of gears that really, really broke us.

And I don't think we ever got as low in GTA as that sequence. Fair enough.

That's the only time where I felt like, I just, we might just not do this, where Grand Theft Auto felt like, oh, this is so doable. This almost is why it's frustrating.

Are you talking about the area with the wheel that spins? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, in about a year and a half, that'll come out and people can watch it. But we're putting them out pretty regularly now.

But, but, but, but, but we are taking a break from those because they usually go on like our Monday slot. Like, we've just been kind of like throwing stuff out on like Mondays and everything.

Just like, oh, here's like some blind sides, whatever. It's been fun.
It's been like a cool little like extra thing. But

by the time this comes out, when this is out, go back. Go to the Patreon because

Face Off is coming out week to week. This is the first season of Face Off.
If you've never caught it before, because it was behind the paywall, whatever, whatever.

That is

starting on the, I guess, what is that, the 28th, which was a couple days ago at this point.

Face Off season one, first episode is out now. And

we have every week a new episode all the way through, I think the first week of June. So every Monday, Face Off.
Go check it out. Are those only on Patreon or are they on Patreon and YouTube?

I believe they're just on Patreon. Okay.
And are they, they're free on Patreon? I yeah, sure. I have bog standard and above.

Do you need to make them free on Patreon so I can make an adjustment to our category? No, I'm just I'm just clarifying. I'm just I was just asking.
Oh, no, I'm just I'm just asking.

I didn't know what we're oh Nick finally found the thing 10 minutes later. Nick found the thing he was looking for.

Play it Nick. Timelink.
I thought the idea was to put it for free and then the new series is on Patreon. Yeah.
So there's a new series? There will be a season two.

that we'll talk about more in the future because I want to run by some ideas with you guys that I have for that.

but yeah why don't we make season one free to everyone because it's old and people free on pa free on patreon yeah okay works for me gavin is that what you're saying also yeah okay i'm just making sure this is welcome to what our uh monday meetings are usually like everyone thank you so much appreciate your patience thank you it's every monday on our patreon for free starting on the day that you said the 28th i believe yeah two two days ago at this point yeah two days ago you were already probably seen seen the first one.

I think it's going to be really cool because I have no idea what percentage of the audience have seen those videos because they were behind the first paywall when they came out.

So it'll be, there might be a surprisingly large amount of people that have never got to watch the first season. So it's, I'm excited.
See, and it's, I think it's six episodes in total.

So it'll be six weeks every Monday. Uh, go check out Face Off season one.
So then that gives us six weeks to figure out how to do season two. Uh, season two is largely put together.

I just need Gavin's info. And then

everything is. I'm going to send it to you.
Okay. Well, once you send it to me, then I can start working on that.
And then I've got it. You can't have it, but I have it.

Didn't we all turn that info in like six months ago? Yeah, it was probably like November. Yeah.

Jeff did it immediately when I asked. It took some other people a bit longer, and that's okay.

I mean, I did a full team immediately, and then every couple of days I'd go in and take out stuff that I didn't like as much and replace it with with new stuff. I just been doing that.

Yeah, that's what I thought it was so interesting hearing your process of you made more than you need and then cut down. I, for something like this, would never operate that way.

I would just reach what the number was and then.

Yeah, I probably cut like 50% at this point. Usually I get like 85% of the way there, and then I have to fucking stretch that last 15.

Nick just asked, how many file requests is Gavin up to? How many strikes does Gavin have to? That's a great question.

A great question because we need a rule.

You're a real nosy bastard nick

well you he's nosier than you think because you're on strike three and but that's part of a ruling potentially we need to go over this oh the first thing here's what i feel okay go ahead you explain what you i want to hear your perspective on what happened andrew said need your video and audio for this video

strike and then he wrote strike And then I looked at the folder and realized it was from ages ago. It was from long before the bet.
So, in my opinion, he still needed it. Doesn't count.

He still needed it. I still needed it.
And I think it was from the point of, I feel like anytime I ask from the point of us making the bet, regardless of when

I have 20 strikes ready to go. I need to be what.

Yeah, but you have all your forward thing. Don't you like have all your files?

You have all your files. Yeah.
Just

check. Go through.
Gavin, go through the impossible work of making sure that you uploaded what you were supposed to upload. How?

What a dread on you. What a nightmare.
Yeah, what a dread.

I could absolutely go through all my folder, all the folders, and make sure my stuff's in there, but I'm just saying I think the strikes should start after that.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Gavin. I disagree because it's when the video is being made is when it's like, that's when it comes up.
You should have uploaded it at the time.

You're being penalized for your lack of action, regardless of when it occurred. According to the bet, I had 20 strikes going forward.

Yeah, and that was forward forward because the video is now being made

and so the editor asked

could i have gavin's stuff

and then i went to you because you didn't upload it a baseball player i feel like it's on you a baseball player from the point the bet started you should have double checked i feel like you even kind of made a comment okay i want to get out of here this baseball analogy yeah well on baseball right you walk up to the

like next to the staple right you walk up to that

and what if you if you missed a staple

There's a staple. Oh, okay.

During the 10th inning, you walk up to the staple. Yeah.

You swing a miss. That's a strike.
What I don't take into consideration is the miss you had the game before or the miss you had eight months ago. It's just okay.

But let me, let me, let me put it to you this way. Yeah.
You and I agree we're going to play baseball. And anytime...
I throw the ball, it counts as a strike. We agree.
We start.

And then I throw a ball and you don't hit it. Is that not a strike? You just threw a ball.
Yeah, I just threw it out because it came into play now.

The ball got created two months ago, but I threw the ball now. The fact that the ball is two months old is irrelevant to the fact that you missed the ball.

Are you regretting using a baseball metaphor now, Gavin, or what? I mean, I still stand by my baseball metaphor. Great.

I don't think the argument of when the ball was made has anything to do with the game. What?

If the ball was made three months ago,

no one in any game of baseball has ever cared on the manufacturing date of the ball. It's not

the game. That's my point.
That's what I'm saying. Oh, is it? The file was made in the past.
It's irrelevant when the file was made. It's when the ball gets put into play that matters.

And me asking for the file because the video is being made now.

That is the swing. That is the pitch.
You missed two strikes.

Audio and video. I actually missed three months ago?

I'm saying that

the mechanism to allow you to miss was created three months ago. The act of you missing occurred now because it wasn't thrown into play until now.

I don't know the rules of time machine baseball or whatever variant you're playing. It's not in time machine baseball.
You do understand that they don't make the ball on the field.

The balls get made and then you're gonna make it. You're saying strike.
We're not saying what's that gonna do with making the ball?

Oh my God. I feel like I'm a crazy person.
The file. Okay.
So a baseball needs to be created to be tossed.

Like we get that. We're on the same page.
We're going step by step.

Do you get that? The ball is surely thrown. The pitch is made when we stop recording.
No, let's stop talking about what you're saying. Let me go through my thing and make sure we're on the same page.

A ball needs to be made before it can be thrown. Correct.

Yeah, the stadium. Do we agree?

We agree on that. That needs to be made.
The players need to be made. All that needs to be made.
Go ahead. So everything needs to be made beforehand.
The file is that thing.

That content and the file being made is the making of the tools required to play the game. We then agree later to play the game.
The game is: if you are missing stuff, then that's a strike.

The file, the ball and the bat come into play finally. It's time to play and you miss.
You swing and you miss at both.

How is that not a strike? I missed three months ago. What are you talking about? You didn't miss three months ago because there was no game three months ago.

It was just a file. You're saying the game wasn't when we recorded it? No,

the game started

when we decided we were making a game of it.

The crowd turned up, the players turned up, they didn't play three months ago. Nobody turned up three months ago.
What do you mean? What do you is your freaking guy done with Survivor yet?

Can we get him on this? No, he's not done. He's doing great, first of all.
He's one of the better characters.

I'm loving watching him play. He's fantastic.

Star a bet

or start a game, if you will,

and then say you've... Had a strike three months ago.

I'm not saying you had a strike three months ago. I'm saying the mechanism that allowed it to happen was three months old

the mechanism

that allowed it to happen is three months old okay yes so at the point in which you and i said any file that i need from you is a strike if you actually cared you could have checked to make sure all of your stuff was uploaded but you didn't so then when we go to make the video and the editor says hey we're missing Gavin's stuff.

And then I have to go to you to get your footage and your... First of all, how do you not do video or audio? What are you doing? You miss both.
You just did nothing.

It's like you're not even there in the video for what you presented.

Second of all, how is that not like you could have done it? You had time to do it. I approach you.
It just feels...

like against the spirit of the game if i'm going to be constantly saying to you i need you to upload this thing and it doesn't count for anything. Eat the pencil.
You could have eaten the pencil.

See, now you're pivoting. You realize you're wrong in this argument.
You're just yelling about pencil. Am I wrong? You're talking about the past.
Like, I could have done anything about it.

You could have! You could have. You could have!

You could have!

You could now!

Yeah.

You could now!

I'm not disagreeing that I could look through everything on the screen. You just say like I could have done anything about it.
You could have.

That's the whole point. Look.

If you want to play time machine baseball, you have to play. I've just got to play baseball.
No one's playing time machine baseball.

Because the date of manufacturer is not clear on the ball, apparently. If you want to play time machine baseball, you got to say at the start of the bet, we're playing time machine baseball.

I can play it.

Teach me the rules. I'll play it.
But I have to know that stuff I didn't do three months ago is in the bet or not. Well, you know now.
I feel like it's a very simple thing.

The terms of the bet were, anytime I need to ask you to upload something is a strike. Yeah.

The date in which the folder was made is irrelevant. The mechanism of the bet is anytime I have to ask you, it's a strike.
I had to ask you for two things.

Yeah, but you know what? This was not, I thought this would be an easy ruling.

There's a whole other aspect of this we haven't even touched on that I thought was going to be way more of an argument than this. What about this? What about this?

If it's in the past, it's a half-strike. No.

I think it should be a full strike. I don't think you and I should have an opinion on this, though.
I think it has to go to Nick, Jeff, and Eric.

Okay. I'll accept their ruling.

Okay.

I'm going to side with Gavin just to kind of see what happens. Ooh.

Based on just the very particular wording of anytime he has to ask, I'm going with Andrew.

Wow, and it all comes down to Jeff. Wow.
He's in the cat bird seat. This is great.
Who do I like more?

Hey.

I'm in it. Fuck.

So I was on Gavin's side almost the entire way through, but Andrew did a phenomenal job of succinctly explaining the crux of the issue in the last 5% of this thing that really could have just superseded all the other nonsense.

And it, it,

I got to go with

there's a spirit to this.

And here's the thing too.

The whole point of the bet is to change my behavior for the better, right? But it didn't.

What do you mean? You can't say it didn't change my behavior if my behavior is being measured in December. What are you talking about? I didn't.
Well, you know what? It's a great point, Nick.

Gavin is whole. He's new to this whole industry.
He needed time to figure out how to upload things and like he can't upload he's decent for the editors

he's got all these tv appearances he's supposed to

stuff i i got off i stopped recording and i immediately was thinking about my gerp replacement

very well

i'm siding with gavin oh thanks

very exciting it's like 50.1 to 49.9 oh it's so close it's the closest judgment i've ever given

I'm really conflicted about it. The ruling.
I just, I feel, I feel like dog shit because I really see both sides. And I think you're both just about equally right.
But

there's a spirit to this. I respect the ruling.
I just wanted to be known how fucking aggravating it's going to be to have to ask for Gavin to submit stuff constantly that is just not going to count.

With immunity? Yeah. With complete immunity.
I'm already annoyed whenever I have to ask. No, no, no.
Now it's a whole other level. Maybe I'll change my mind.
No, no. Here's what you can do.

Now that you've said it, now I know the sport is time machine baseball. You can absolutely count previous picks.
I like this decision. I like this.
You have to be given time

to go in the time machine and make sure that past me knows he's playing time machine baseball. And I'm going to look through all the folders, get all my stuff uploaded.

You don't have to ask about the past anymore. This is fair.
That's, you know what, if you want to operate, I'll give you those two strikes back.

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Now we need to go to the what I felt was actually going to be. Well, I really need the strikes because Nick's asked me for files.
That's...

I was told

by Nick. Nick messaged me and said, hey, Gavin has a strike.

I'm about to ask him for audio.

Does that count? I wasn't sure if that counted.

What do you mean? That's the bet.

Okay. Oh, I just didn't know if I was the one that had to ask for it.
No, I know. So that's a definite strike.
Because theoretically, Nick could just not tell me that he had to ask you for something.

So we're at strike one then. All right.
Yeah.

That one's absolutely fine. Because it occurred after the game had started.

I would argue the game.

Whatever.

It was ruling against me.

I don't need to say I would argue. We've already seen it.

The argument was articulated. That's fine.
One strike for a hot dog that doesn't even exist. That was all a lie, a bullshit fake hot dog that we'll have to make.

Assuming that Gavin gets 19 more strikes.

Between now and when was it? Was it August? When was it?

End of August. End of August.
Yeah. Otherwise, I have to eat a freaking.

We based it on the schedule of a team that lied about a product.

Great.

How are you feeling about your chances, Gav?

Not great.

I'm not going to lie.

We recorded two episodes today, and Nick always drops the upload folder as soon as we finish one. And

I was unhappy. I was sad to see Gavin had already uploaded his podcast out of the IOC.

You're too into the game. You don't want the actual results.
You just want me to lose. I get it.
I want you to lose because I want you to suffer a consequence for

never uploading.

That's what I'm cheering for.

But in fairness, if I do get asked, it's usually in the folder within that minute.

That is true. But it would just be nice if you instead took that minute.
I know.

I agree. I agree.

And obviously, I can make pretty easy changes to the future. Pretty difficult in the past.

Pretty damn hard to upload something in December 2024 at this moment.

I mean, you know, you got all your folders. You got all your files.
It's true. You have it all saved and organized.
It's all good. You're great at finding them when they're asked for.
Yeah.

You're really good at storing them. I think that's the thing.
You're too excited about storing your stuff. Why am I excited about?

Because it proves your point.

If you're obsessed about storing things in case they're needed and then making sure that you don't do the thing which requires them to be needed later, you're constantly re-approving or reaffirming that, like, it's good to have this.

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah.

Okay. But it's not, it's not anything.
I just want to make sure we're not talking about time travel files or whatever. We're on the same page, which is nice.
I like this.

This has been an all-time Gavin and Andrew episode. Yeah.
I'm trying to think. Do I have any other Gavin notes? I don't think so.

I've been really enjoying how

some stuff, like work stuff is often talked about in Slack and personal stuff will be talked about on text. And sometimes

I'm arguing with Andrew on Slack about work and having the most wholesome personal conversation on text

at the exact same time.

I did an exercise once on Slack and I typed sorry into Gavin's Slack conversation history with me. Zero results.

You will

you don't apologize what you do is you say I'm an idiot, but you never just go

I'll say like my bad. I'm a more you are you're self-deprecating in the mistake, but you do not articulate sorry

I just feel like calling myself

a piece of shit is harder hitting than sorry. Sorry is kind of generic.

But like I suck. I don't know what's wrong with me lately.
I suck. It's better than a sorry.
I feel like that just makes us both end up feeling bad. Whereas sorry is just like, hey, I fucked up.

My mistake. I realized that that was an annoyance.

Oh,

I got saved by the tariffs. That was fun.
What? Congratulations.

Whoa, yeah. All right.
Now, now this is a podcast, baby.

It's the only positive that has come from tariffs.

Nintendo Switch 2 is a thing that exists. And I don't know what's wrong with my brain or

doing a Gavin. I'm real piece of shit.
Can't seem to keep track. That schedule for it.
I was so excited for the Switch 2. I think the new Donkey Kong game looks like so much fun.
I want one so badly.

I'm not even that big of a Mario Kart guy, but I think the new Mario Kart looks cool.

It looks like so much fun. And so I was going to try to get one.
And it was like, I was making a big deal about it. And then they announced post-tariffs because it came out.

The reveal of the Switch 2 is the same day in which Trump implemented all these like global tariffs.

So Nintendo was not expecting that, I guess, or prepared for it because like the next day they said that we're not, we're changing the pre-order date in the U.S. We'll come back with a later date.

It'll release fully at the announced time before, but the pre-order date is changed. But in Canada, zero impact.
So I was all excited. And I'm getting ready.

And I even like said to my partner, like, oh, we, we should try to get a Switch 9 p.m. tonight.
First one. Walmart drop 9 p.m.
Oh, here we go. And so it hits 9 p.m.
We're refreshing.

We're looking at things and it's not showing up. And then I check maybe three or four minutes after nine.
I'm a whole day early. Way early.
Wrong day. What? It was the next, I got the dates mixed up.

It was 24 hours later. We were 24 hours early.
It was 9 p.m.

The following day, and I felt real bad. I was like, I'm an idiot.
I'm so sorry. I didn't realize.

I just, I guess I was too excited. I got the dates wrong.
We're going to have to do this tomorrow night, but that's fine. Wait, wait, wait.
So you said, I'm an idiot, and then you said sorry?

Yeah, it was a whole thing. Wow, that's covered all the bases.
That's two things. Well, that's nice.
We're continuing the baseball metaphor. I walked all the bases of apology.

But I said, no, it's fine because I guess I thought Walmart was first. I guess it'll be last.
Tomorrow at 9 a.m.

Uh, all the other pre-orders go live for like Best Buy and GameStop and the other things. And so I'm all excited for that.
I'm up for it. My partner likes to typically sleep in.

And so I'm up and I'm waiting for it. And I'm like, oh boy, here we go.
Only like 40, 30 minutes away from this going live. This is great.

And then Nintendo announces that they're also delaying the pre-orders in Canada because they're doing it in America and they just want it all to be the same.

And I feel, I'm so annoyed. I'm like, god damn it.
Like, I just want to pre-order this thing. It's, I'm getting delayed because of a different country's decision.
This is bullshit.

Oh, this just is so annoying. But at least, at least my partner's still sleeping.
They're fine. And then their alarm goes off.

And then I just feel bad for them of like, oh, they set an alarm to contribute to this thing. And

it got rescheduled five minutes uh past like it was like 835 it was like 30 minutes i was like what a jerk move for nintendo to do this like 30 minutes before the pre-orders were supposed to go live and i'm upset about it and then i do more reading about it and i realized once again i'm 24 hours early it was it was the next day when the pre-orders were supposed to go live

I just have all these dates wrong.

So then I had to turn and I said it when I told them at the time, I was like, Nintendo just canceled all the Canadian pre-orders. You're doing the same thing that they did with the US.

Isn't that annoying? And they're like, yeah, that sucks. And then we continue with our day.
And then, like, 10 minutes later, I realize, oh, no. Oh, it's not.

It wasn't supposed to go live in 30 minutes. It was supposed to go live the next day.
But they don't know this.

Because Nintendo swooped in before the time that it was supposed to go live and they canceled them all. So I got to, I avoided, I didn't have to reveal that I once again screwed up.

It was a whole day early because Nintendo just canceled them all. So I got saved by it.

How are you two days off? I don't, I was just really excited about Donkey Kong.

You can shake the controller and he beats his chest in the direction you shake the controller. I'm really excited about this game.

But I just, it's the only positive that's come of it where like I would have gotten in shit for

screwing up back-to-back in a row. One where they set an alarm to specifically help me with the thing that I was a day early for

twice in advance.

How do you know what day it is usually?

That's actually a good question.

How do I know? I guess you guess. Well, no,

I'm like, I'm trying to think. I'm guessing.
I think if I

if I slept for like three days and I just woke up, I wouldn't know what day it was. I guess I'd have to actively search.

What? I look at our calendar all the time. What is happening right now? What, Jeff, help?

It sounds like you just... You wake up, you ignore your phone, and you go, what day does it feel like? No, I know it yesterday.

Yesterday was Sunday, so today has to be Monday. But I'm thinking if there was a gap.
No, I would just check my phone. I would look because I'm constantly.

There you go.

Check your phone. Jesus.

Took a long time to get to check your phone. What? What? What the hell? I never check it specifically for the date, but I would see just on the phone.

I don't know if it's online. Is it?

The day, the date, and the time. Oh, April 17th.

But I would know that that's a Tuesday or whatever. Do you not have a Mac though? Use the Mac.
It says right on the top of the screen.

Thursday. I guess I would collaborate my

Android phone and my Alex.

Throw those words around.

Corroborate? Corroborate, yeah. There you go.

You and your phone can do a co-rob? Yeah.

Corrupt.

Oh, Christ. Hey,

before we run out of time, I wanted to pitch you guys on something that

I think you're gonna hate but i hope you hate it in the way that makes you want to do it

so i uh i'm officially a cruise guy now i really enjoyed the cruise it was a lot of fun being on the cruise cruise guy like never been on a cruise before yeah on the cruise ship didn't think i'd like it really did enjoy it it was great great experience and uh I got thinking about cruises in general and just how there's like different cruises for every flavor of human, right?

And then I was thinking about when we traveled to stuff together and how much fun that always is,

in theory, if we ever do it. And

although sometimes, like we went to Vegas, you know?

And then I was thinking about our wheel and how much joy we all get out of the wheel. And I had this idea.

What if we put a bunch of different cruises on a wheel and we spin it? and we have to go on the cruise that it lands on. There's like heavy metal cruises like this one.

a there's a chris jericho's rock and wrestling rager at sea there's a cat enthusiast cruise i'm not opposed but i just need to articulate i just need to point out that literally last podcast you said don't book me for any trips i don't want to travel anywhere i don't want to go anywhere yeah yeah yeah yeah this is a year out at least yeah this is most of these cruises have probably already happened this year this is we're not doing it this year this is far into the future that the future jeff can worry about that current jeff has no it has no cruises on the horizon.

There's a Star Trek cruise. How much fun would that be? There's a Flat Earther cruise.
How much fun would that be? Nugest cruise? Sam, once again, you're selling me on

Kesha has a cruise. Kesha's weird and wonderful rainbow ride.
5% fun. Yeah.
Monsters of Rock.

Wouldn't all the people on a flat Earth cruise be scared of driving off the end of the Earth?

I think they would look at each other smugly and be like, we know where it ends.

Yeah, At the ice wall. I see a cruise that would be the worst.
I could definitely see myself being miserable on. There's a fucking impractical Joker's cruise.
What a nightmare that would be. Oh,

Sal.

Hell baby.

Sal. Doing pranks on putting spaghetti on your head in the dining hall.
Going crazy. That's awesome.
Oh, getting pranked. How much fun would it be to spend like fucking three days?

in the sun in a pool with a bunch of dudes with white face paint on because they're all death metal guys or a bunch of cat enthusiasts just talking about how much they love cats. Zero.

I don't want to spend any time with these people. What are you talking about? That's why I think it makes great content.
What an amazing first cruise that'll be for me.

Do you think the flat earth cruise just goes in a circle because they don't trust where the end is? Yeah. They just

have the port. And then, yeah.
Oh, I don't want to be trapped with people. I know.
That's

definitely. I don't want to be on a cruise.
What a, that's, this is insane. You're crazy.
Yeah. And a cruise that for something that we definitely aren't into, you know? That's just a bunch of guys.

Well,

you are into it. You guys go into the, you guys go into the concert tonight? The what? No.

Slipknots. Slipknots playing the night.

I like Kesha a lot. I don't think my fandom of Kesha is enhanced in any way by it being a cruise.
No. I don't know.
I guess the joy is spending time with other Kesha enthusiasts.

So Kesha's not on the cruise. I would assume she is.
She's on the cup. She has to be.
Yeah.

I remember Ed talked to us about they did bare naked ladies cruises back in the day when they were, they were on the boat. They'd like play a show and stuff.

But it doesn't have to be musicians either. You know, it could be a yarn enthusiast.
Fucking, it could be about like

crocheting. A crocheting.
Can we just, can we do this not on a boat? Can we go to some hotel that has beachfront, whatever? Why do we have to be on a boat? Do we have to? I don't want to be on that.

There's no reduction to it. Yeah.

And that's the whole, because you're trapped. You are trapped.
That's definitely definitely true. You can't leave and go to Red Robin.
Now there's no

Uber. Yeah.
Damn. Fuck.

That's a very good point. That sucks.
It's a very good point. It sucks.
Yeah. Just something to think about.
You can just never leave the room.

If you never leave the room, it's no different than a hotel room. That's true.
You do get room service. I did have room service every morning for breakfast.
Was it good?

Yeah, it was pretty good. Okay, that was no good.
It was pretty good.

There was some good food on that boat. Was it like 70 bucks a time? No, it was all inclusive.
So I didn't have to pay for any of it. Oh,

you can be paying

pay out the dick on the front end. Can you do what now? Fishing.

No, we could get a stand on your patio. Fishing cruise, throw a line and get yourself lunch.
Why have I never seen someone fishing from their cruise ship?

I don't know, but we should

try.

I'm trying to think if there is a cruise that I genuinely would be excited to go on.

Anyway, it would have to be a 2026 thing, but I thought it'd be a fun way to have a group vacation that uh we turn into content. What is the world's shortest cruise?

I think it's just

called a boat,

it's called the BC Ferry,

and I would have been shortest cruises are typically two or three nights, which is what I would assume. We'd want to do two or three nights.
The cruise I was just on was like 15 days, that's too much.

But you guys would lose your fucking minds. That's insane, and you'd get really sick.
You'd be like, oh, cool, the Parthenon.

Oh, cool. The fucking Oracle of Delphi.
Oh, cool. Santorini.

It gets old fast. Oh, Ephesus.
Cool. Yeah.
Some people do like months, don't they? There are some people that live year-round on boats. Yeah,

wasn't there a cruise that was like 14 months or something?

Oh, yeah. There's that.

A prison. Yeah.

There's a permanent cruise. Royal Caribbean's ultimate world cruise, which lasted 274 nights.
It went from December 10th, 2023 to September 10th, 2024.

I think probably just in remembrance for like the next day. Yeah, here you go.
We can buy a villa for $140,000 on this one.

And then we just live on it year-round. Probably not.
A world cruise. Probably not.
It stinks. What do you do with your house if you're on a cruise for a year?

You sell it for the cruise. You're on the, like this,

you're buying that villa. You're on it for the rest of your life.
It's a full-time cruise. You just travel the world every year.
I just don't want to be on a boat.

No, absolutely not. Yeah.
It's, I mean, it's not bad. I didn't mind it, but I was definitely happy when we got off.
But I never got like seasick or anything.

And there's swimming pools and hot tubs and lots of food. I'd be, I think, most annoyed by the paperwork.

There's some paperwork. There's trivia every night.
We always competed in trivia. That was fun.
Have you seen those videos of when the cruise ship loses power? No. No, but our cruise ship lost power.

Oh, really? Yeah, like four in the morning one day. And I guess we were coming in too hot and they had to cut the power.
And then they lost power for a little bit. And the gyro went off.
And then

the stabilizer thing. And it got pretty fucking for about 20 minutes there.
It was pretty rocky. And I was like, maybe I am going to throw it.
But then it was fine.

I didn't realize that needs to be turned on to not get tossed around by the sea. Yeah.

All right. Well, we'll put that on the board for down the road.

The wheel of wheel of wheel of themed cruises. Can we all veto one thing on the wheel? Yeah, fine.
I'm going to I'm going to veto cruises.

I googled Black Eyed Peas cruise because that was like the most insufferable cruise I can think of. God.

And the AI overview is the Black Eyed Peas have a music video called Forever where they are cruising around LA. AI stinks.

That sucks.

We should wrap this up. I don't want to go on a cruise, but we should wrap up this episode.
Oh, I got it. I got it.
There's video game cruises. How fucking miserable would that be?

You just want to be on a celebrity on one of these things, Jeff. No, I do not.
I'm not a celebrity anymore, dude. I'm fucking six generations past all these people.

People who are going on this cruise know who you are. I don't think so.
I don't think anybody knows who anymore. So we all get on a cruise ship and we play

the Call of Duty thing, and we can't leave the ship until.

Well, something to noodle on. I'm really looking forward to going on a cruise with y'all.
I think it's going to be a bonding experience for us, and we're going to get a lot of

fun Star Trek-themed uh content if that's the cruise we end up on. Uh, but that'll be it for this episode, I guess.

We should probably knock it off, and maybe some of us could go throw up for a little bit.

Maybe not.

Thanks for listening to another episode of the Regulation Podcast. We sure enjoyed talking at you, and we hope you enjoyed

listening to us do that. We'll see you next week.
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Bye now. Bye.