The Mazarin Stone - Part Two
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Based on the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Paul Waggott as Dr. John Watson
Harry Attwell as Sherlock Holmes
Marta da Silva as Mariana Ametxazurra
George Greenland as Greg Cantlemere
Adam Jarrell as Stamford
Additional Voices:Thomas Mitchells
Written by Joel EmeryDirected by Adam Jarrell
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Produced by Neil Fearn and Jon Gill
Executive Producer Tony Pastor
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Previously on Sherlock and Co. On behalf of the best man,
where are you, Canti Kants? Yeah. There he is.
It is time to toast our stag. He ducked out with the paintball punishment.
Ducked out, come on.
But he can't duck out of this. I know he's an old stag, a geriatric stag, but he can still down a pint.
Let's have you, Stamo. To Stamo.
To come up with it.
Thanks for, you know, filling in the gap
where Greg can't, you know. Who can't? He's great.
Yeah, no, no, no. Greg Cantelmere is a really, really nice guy, yeah? And I'm lucky to have him as my brother-in-law.
But soon to be.
Yeah, don't get too excited. Nadia might get enlightened at that spa and ditch you.
But he
struggles in settings like
this.
Oh, his best man is nice. Oh, yeah, Greg Cantlemere.
How'd you meet him? We had coffee this morning. Oh, where'd you go? To the cafe across the road? Haha.
No, we were sat right there, dude.
You slept through the whole thing. Oh.
Wow, I really was out of it.
What is this? Hmm?
A note. Oh, I don't know.
What does it say?
The Mazarin Stone.
Come and do the intro then.
Hello?
Sherlock P. Holmes, that the P stands for podcast, because podcast is your middle name, and you said you'd do the intro for part two.
For God's sake.
Yeah, I know, Water.
I'm landing the goddamn exile craft. That's why! Have you thought about reducing yours? Yeah, sure, and have you thought about shutting up? I will analyze my vocal output, Master Somborn.
Okay, I'm gonna lay this baby down lycas smooth right here in. Oh god, where are we?
Porter, where are we? Forgive me, Master Somborn. My vocal hiatus was time at 45 Earth seconds, as most humans would find that an acceptable
time. Where the hell are we, man? We have passed into the meta-planetary field.
Meta one and two are gas. Meta three has over 100 moons.
And I only see one
we are on the planet of meta four.
Welcome to Meta Four coming in hot, baby.
Master Sunborn, I got one.
I got it. Order, shut up.
Master Sunborn, I only tell you. You detect it.
I got it. I got it, bro!
No! Master! I detect a cliff edge!
Okay!
Okay!
We are, uh,
we might be dangling off a cliff edge!
Okay, so
don't move.
Affirmative.
What, uh...
What planning did you say this was again? Metaphor, Master. Well, uh, this cliffhanger,
it doesn't feel like a metaphor to me.
One more time, don't go chasing waterfalls. Crisp to the rivers and the lakes that you used to.
God's sake. Yeah, very funny.
I know you didn't put the Sherlock statue in here by yourself, Sherlock. Hi, Mariana.
Hilarious. everyone.
See, my wax work can be fun. Not really that fun for me.
How are you feeling? Uh, tender,
but otherwise, fine.
Why are we looking all bemused and quizzical? I didn't say something stupid last night, did I? And now you're discussing it and you're staging some kind of intervention. Oh, relax.
Just make sure that Spider-Man towel stays in place, please. Did you get Greg Cantlemere's number, Watson? Uh, yes, I did.
He's in the Stag WhatsApp group.
He doesn't go out on the source much, so I helped him pick places. Why? You know, you're gonna see him at the wedding on Saturday.
Well, I'm just rather curious about his letter.
Stop waving that piece of paper around like you're Neville Chamberlain. I get it, right? It's intriguing.
The Mazarin Stone.
I can't quite understand the relevance. Why would you leave a detective agency such a note? Hmm?
You're actually serious. I think we should look into this.
Right, hold on. Hold on.
Of course, you'd say that. And what is that supposed to mean? Well, we all know.
Even Archie knows.
Look at that expression on his face. I have done a little research, and I think we should give Kantz a brief call and see if he can enlighten us further.
Sherlock. He clearly wants our attention.
Stamo's wedding is two days away. I'm editing like a maniac just so I can have the weekend free.
Mariana, you've got meetings all day tomorrow. Ah, yeah, that's true.
Again, just so we can make the wedding, so why put something on our plate right now, huh? Especially,
you know.
What?
You know.
I know. Do I? You know everything, so I know you know when I say you know, no?
You are discrediting the motivations of Greg Cantlemere. Can I get out of my towel first, please? What's your beef with the guy? I don't have beef with anybody.
I
he's
look, he's great. Yeah, but he was drunk.
He's going through a hard time. Stammo made him best man because Nadia is really worried about him, and we all agreed it would.
You know, it would lift him up a bit, build him up. That's great.
That's... that's sweet of you guys.
But this is him reaching out. Yeah, but Mary, can we just
can we consider this after the wedding? Please. And can we consider the rest of this conversation once I am wearing more than just a Spider-Man towel? Fine.
Fine. Thank you.
Ugh, he's right. Yes.
An infrequent occurrence, but an extremely frustrating one, nonetheless.
See?
Told ya.
Ejector seat. Ingenious, Master Sumborin.
Ingeniously stupid.
Uh, border? Hey, Trogian scout. Stand back, Master Sumborin.
Don't come any closer, dude. I've got a gold fire blaster.
I'll blow you away, man. It shoots gold, Pastor.
That is ideal.
Drogian skin burns to its touch. Your father.
He hot the stone.
Where is it?
Bring your father here. Now.
Oh, you want me to call him? Say he would come see if I was okay. He's got a heart of gold.
Hey, that's a metaphor. He has a heart of gold.
Shut your human mouth.
But, you know, he doesn't really, right? He doesn't actually have a heart full of gold
You on the other hand
Where you come from
The asteroid dusts were right. They were what now? Master Derek Sunborn would come
and with him
the stone. The stone? Your pocket.
Wait, what?
This is my father's.
The world is in your hands, Derek Sunborn. Analyzing metaphor?
It is no metaphor. What the hell is this?
Some kind of rock?
That
Derek Sonborn
is
the Muzarin stone.
Steve? Yes? Mazarin.
Mazarin. Oh, fuck.
What did I say? Mozarin. Oh, bollocks.
Mate, sorry. That's.
I'm taking the piss today, aren't I? Not at all. We'll reset and uh we'll go again.
Ah, yes. Yep, sure.
Come on, Steve. Fuck it, otherwise.
Mazarin, Mazarin, Mazarin, Mazarin, Mazarin, Mazarin.
Okay, we'll go for another one. Yes, okay.
Do we really put up with this?
All that time.
What?
On DVDs.
Listen to that. The DVD player.
Yeah, listen to that word.
Oh, yeah.
Wow. Maybe we did put up with that.
How can you, of all people, stand that shows? It's somewhat more bearable than the on-screen drama. Hey, come on.
This is spacey sci-fi royalty. Over 25 years old.
Besides, these are outtakes, mate. You know, behind the scenes, the drama doesn't get the chance to build up before someone cocks up.
Ugh, god.
Oh I'm knackered. Oh my god what the hell is wrong with us? It's oh god it's nearly midnight.
How
how long have we been watching this? Oh I can tell you what's wrong with us. No one listens to me.
That's what's wrong. I know how you got me.
Film night. Get me all excited.
Then boom. Oh switcheroo.
Yeah yeah all the trick in the book blah blah blah. Then you get your film.
You buttered me up. I fell for it.
And now we're trying to do some sort of case when we don't have the time for it.
Also, Kantz is great, but he is a geeky guy that doesn't get the weight of what we do and we except not something from the movie. Oh god, what?
We're looking to see what the clues are in the movie and the DVD extras. What if he is alluding to a cast member?
Perhaps a murderous one? Well, I can tell you, the bloke that plays the robot is dead. The Commander Father was at January 6th.
No.
Wait, really? Apparently. Commander Sunborn? Yep.
Wild. And the guy that plays Derek Sunborn is a Buddhist, runs a silent retreat in Wales.
Ah, I knew you weren't watching the movie.
You were on your phone. I was supplementing the movie experience with the research and activity on my device.
Thank you. Sherlock.
Mm-hmm. Please step away from the light.
It shows the signs of a hyperfixation, but I assure you, Watson, I am keeping it at a mild intrigue. I will not drift towards its blazing light.
I meant your wax work.
The light's been on by his head for ages. He looks a bit droopy in the forehead.
Hmm.
Right. Well, I am droopy in the eyes and
well, everywhere else. You,
get some sleep and stop thinking about this. You're as bad as that big evil bloke trying to steal the Mazarin stone.
You okay? Yes.
Just
researching. Right, well, I'm gonna go and have a sober, normal night's sleep in my own bed.
You are gonna also go to bed, but I am going to take Archie out. Oh, I could take him out if you want.
No, it's okay. I'm going down there anyway, right? And you you can sleep in my room, right, Chubby boy? No, I'm in here tonight.
I was talking to Archie. Ugh, that's low self-esteem, John.
Work on that.
Oh, look at him.
Oi, you look like one of those horrible aliens, but you're much nicer. Mmm, and more squishable.
I was right. Sorry, what? It doesn't relate to the plot of that ridiculous movie after all.
What doesn't?
Our friend is a collector. Oh, Greg.
Indeed. This is his his website.
Heesh. Nice guy, but bad web designer.
And at the bottom, here,
collection is property of Lord Cantlemere Trading Limited. God Almighty.
If we search that,
we get
an article here regarding a failed insurance claim and a warning for the collectors everywhere. What's the warning exactly?
The insurance claim from Lord Cantlemere Trading was rejected on the grounds of lack of proven value and and unauthorized relocation of asset. What asset is this? The stone from our god-awful film.
He has the actual stone from the movie. He had it, yes.
Until it was stolen six months ago. Oh, mate.
He could have just told us. Agreed.
Right, let's be normal people for the next few normal days.
No chasing crime, please. Thank you.
Good night, fellow earthlings. Anyone puts that wax figure next to my bed in the middle of the night, and I am moving out.
Thank you. Bye.
Archie, come on, it's kind of rush hour, mate. But you guys are gonna get there early, yeah? Yeah, yeah, we'll be there early to help.
And you want me to bring what beers? Yeah, that'd be good.
Yeah, um, we're at the venue now. Your wedding is in 30 hours.
Yeah, it's set up, mate.
Plus, you know, staying here with the families beforehand, they all get a chance to meet while it's still, you know,
low-key. It's Cancy Boy there, my mate, Greg.
No, it's not, actually. What? Why? I don't Arch, come.
Well, you think he's just gonna turn up on the day? I don't know, maybe.
Let no idea, please. Well, I mean, look, I just don't know where he is, mate.
Do you?
Hi, John.
I um
have a vague idea. I'll call you back, Stamo.
Watson, you remember Greg Cantlemere? Mm-hmm. He's taking us to see his collectibles.
Care to join? Oh, God.
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this is unbelievable whoa whoa hey Life-size Drogian warlord. Jesus, he's massive.
Yeah, can give you a bit of a fright when you forget he's there. Tell me about it.
Got a life-size Sherlock in the flat at the moment, and I'm not talking about this one right here. He's seen it.
Oh, yeah, of course. Very impressive.
Looks just like him. Whoa, you've got Mazarin Stone action figures.
Look at this. I'm Daredevil Sunborn.
Eat my laser, loser. I got some uglies on my tail.
Border man, will you shut up? I'm Daredevil Sunborn. Eat my laser, loser.
How come it's out of the box? Yeah, yeah, that's just one of a few. It's a third-generation figure, that one.
Because the gun holster is like...
You can see it's kind of purple. Whereas first generation,
here. Ah, in the box.
Of course. See, the gun holster is red, so.
How much is this, do you think? Derek in the box.
I'd say probably four grand. What? No way.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, what really sells is the stuff from the set. Not the actual merch, so...
You've got stuff from the set, like from the actual film itself? Yeah. Yeah, let me just...
you know what this is gold blaster yeah
the gold blaster they had four on the set um temple studios have one damon hinchcliffe has one the director yeah one is with the prop designer jane marsh and then one is with me
that's amazing and these here yeah the helmets armor all from the movie they're actually the drogian breastplate that's actually completely unique because it was made on the fly uh They didn't have multiples.
I'm the only one that has that.
This is the...
So they ran a comic? Holy crap. Please tell me you haven't read all these.
Of course I have.
So that's 500 issues of the Mazarinstone comic. Although it was titled Mazarinstone Galaxy War.
Galaxy War was going to be the title of the next movie. And the plot line was from these comics.
So...
Right.
Right. How come they didn't make another? Harley Silvius quit oh god yeah of course course to be yoga guru or something yeah just
he hated the industry and wanted out so that kind of collapsed the whole project really
he
just lost all his money with american pope sorry american pope yeah
do you know
so he basically funded this big kind of college style comedy called american Pope.
He wrote it himself, made himself lead in it. Uh, wait, yeah, look.
Meet Mikey. Hey, baby, what's hanging? Oh my god,
he just graduated high school. Class of 05 party,
and now he's going to college.
I got in of Cardinals.
Uh, Mom,
that's nigga Sydney, American City Man.
Wait, you can't sleep with chicks? Of course not.
You'll know how to party. Well, uh, from Wolf Studio.
Starring, Carly Sylvia. Sky, Mary Magdalene is hot.
American Poe. The father, the son, and half price on spirits.
Ooh, that's not holy water.
Rated tea for tea.
Good God.
Yeah.
That was quite something. It was quite the flop, too.
You don't say. Get this.
It came out on Saturday the 2nd of April 2005. Right, Missed April Fool's Day.
Should have been an end, judging by that trailer. They did that deliberately.
Moved it from Friday, the 1st of April, to the Saturday. And guess what? Pope John Paul II.
No,
he didn't. He did.
The Pope dies the day the movie comes out. By the end of the weekend, every major theatre had it pulled out of respect.
Oh, Harley Silvius, you poor bastard. Yep.
He moved to the UK because
I guess we were the only people that cared to have him on our screens.
Then he did a kind of bad kids' TV show called Aureus. And...
Yeah.
Lives his life in the Welsh wilderness. Broke and teaching yoga.
Meh.
Sorry, uh, yeah, you didn't come here to hear all this. No, it's fascinating, honestly.
You should put all this in your best man speech. Oh, don't.
Uh, yeah, I'm a bit. Nervous? Mate, don't worry.
Honest. Even the best speakers are nervous.
It's it's normal.
You have all these items from the film itself. What is actually missing, Greg? The, um...
The actual...
Mazarin Stone. Wait, so...
Yeah, Sherlock said you had the Mazarin Stone, the real one they used on screen. That's right.
So they destroyed them and kept one and it was auctioned for charity in
2007 i believe um
yeah yeah at a hollywood event and well it goes for around eighty thousand dollars i think to a guy called pete drucker not attached to the movie in any way just a fan wow okay
so this is oh this is big stuff this is they knew i mean
They knew from all the big sci-fi shows and movies that this stuff matters to preserve the value of the rare items so yeah
it was with drucker in chicago and he would lease it out to conventions and stuff but he'd made a ton more money by this point anyway and then just out of the blue
he started the black hole what's the black hole it was an arg okay sorry
what is that
oh no worries um an arg is an alternate reality game it's like it's an interactive large-scale I mean, they can be small-scale, but this was vast, a narrative kind of game, really.
Kind of fiction meets reality, code-breaking, clues, puzzles to find and ultimately discover or defeat the end game of it.
Yeah,
the black hole. How long did that go on for?
Do you know the story? I don't. Oh, right.
Well, it's famous because it lasted years and years. Drucker actually died a couple of years after it started and everyone thought the game was over, but it kept going.
There were over 4,500 players. Shit.
Yeah. Yeah, it was taken really, really seriously.
Like, there were fights in the street. There were total, like, sabotages.
Some of the players, because it's like...
It's like 2019 by this point, so there's content creators and fans literally uploading their game plan, their code breaks, streaming them on Twitch, and people would just sabotage their route or access to another clue.
Now these clues, they were like, they were hidden in real life. Completely, yeah.
Huh, cool stuff. So,
sorry, I said it would be quick, and it's nowhere near that.
So, during knockdown... I realized that if you
look at the stars,
not like the movie stars, but the actual stars in the film from the perspective of um you're joking.
No, no, I'm not honest it if you look at the opening shot of the film It's the like it's it's just the stars right from recollection. Yeah, just a shot of space from what I recall right.
Yeah, but that
so that shot is taken from the Droma Nebula, which is where the Darmanteus shoots out from right at the start of the story. Right.
But so from that view, the star that's glowing blue a lot of people don't see it in the digital remaster but in the actual film film version you can see it that's actually not a star that's the mazarin the source of the universe right from where the stone is from on the arg website you have that same opening shot as the sight background
But the blue dot is in a slightly different location. Right?
If you screenshot the opening shot from the website of that spacecape and map it onto a map of the world, our world.
Earth. Yeah.
Well, the actual... The Mazarin, the blue dot,
sits over Barrick.
Okay, what's Barak? Barrack is a village in Oman.
It's where they shot all the metaphor and Rotus and Colaris planet scenes. It's where Derek first sees the Mazarin Stone.
Wow, okay, that's that's great stuff, mate.
So I noticed that.
I've realised that at this point,
no one knows this apart from me.
That this ARG clue is pointing exactly to the filming location. And when you got big clues, you could
call this hotline. A hotline?
Yeah, mad.
Who'd have thought hotlines were still a thing?
Yeah, you could you could call the hotline and reveal some info and get some more clues. I say to the operator, this is my guess, right? Barrack, blah blah.
And he says, great.
Press 2.
I go, okay,
automated message plays for a bit. Just...
you know, thank you for your call, blah blah. And yeah, then it asks me to press zero.
Later, it's eight, and it just
literally 25 minutes, and I finally think I've made it, and it cuts me off.
I try again the next day, and the next, and it's the same every time.
So, I write down the numbers it sends me in every time I call:
2087-3647-565-19185.
16 digits.
I stare at it and stare at it, and realise
that's a GPS location.
I bang it into maps and there it is. The exact site outside Barrack.
I pack my bags. I am gone.
I flight to Ayman and I get... Well, so I got a taxi,
but the guy would only take me to Barrack itself. And then...
I'm trying to find this spot. There's like three or four houses.
One guy comes out and says he can take me.
So he takes me and I was boiling hot on his motorbike in the desert sun and
he drops me off and he's gone.
And I'm just left there.
What was there?
Nothing.
Just sand. What?
Yep. God, I'm too invested in this, but what then? What happened? The same thing that happened in the film.
What do you mean? I realize
the GPS has taken me to the exact spot where Derek finds the stone in his pocket.
I'm stood in that precise spot
when.
Impossible. Nope.
What? What? Tell me. I reach into my pocket.
No. And I pull out...
You're kidding me. The Mazarin stone.
What?
This is unbelievable.
How? How?
Yeah,
the key to the universe, my man.
Oh my god, this is insane.
I mean, well, I found out about a year later from his daughter that the driver, like, what, literally, the only guy with a bike in the village, he was paid by the family to drop this thing.
He didn't know what it was. It was...
Well, basically, the second I called the hotline, he was probably put on alert and yeah, pick up any generic Westerner you see wandering the
desert by himself and yeah, sneak it into their pocket. What a guy.
Hey, I always thought he had an expensive bike.
For the village, I mean, I
see why.
The druckers kept him comfortable, I guess. God, I almost don't want to know that part of the story, but that is.
amazing, mate. Truly amazing.
Well, you definitely don't want to know this side of the story. The robbery.
Shit. Yeah, of course.
So, with that ARG, Drucker became a bit of a legend, as you can imagine. And yeah, I did too a bit, to be honest.
I kind of...
I wanted to, like, follow in his footsteps a bit and... and share it with the fandom as best I could.
So, um,
well,
there was a a convention in Birmingham, and I offered it to them to lease it out to the con, have it out, big glass case. People can get their pictures with it, and all that.
And some of the cast were going to be there. Hardly Silvius, Derek himself, nice.
Yeah, brilliant. The Princess of Numaria, Helen Reed, a couple of the Drogian.
Um,
anyway, yeah, it felt amazing to be part of
the kind of assembly of the Mazarin Stone stone phenomenon
i was the guy that had the actual stone
the main character of the mazarin stone is the mazarin stone
that's what damon hinchgiff said himself
so
what happened to it it was in a glass display where two of the panels kind of converged
on the sunday the last day of the con.
A classic smash and grab. Fire alarm goes off, big crowd of people all heading out, all filing past it, and
some kid in a hoodie smashes the thing, grabs the stone, and legs it. Oh man, footage? Yeah.
Here.
Watched it a million times, mate.
And it took me four months just to get the police to hand it over.
How many other cameras do we have? Uh, two.
So, um,
scroll to uh
this angle.
And then
this one.
White male, five foot eight. Very athletic.
The way he deals with that security gate. Yeah, no, um.
Only thing, police said he was six foot one.
Pause. Oh, okay.
They are elevator shoes. Maybe just three inches worth, but he's combining it with high-rise trousers, a tapered fit, shorter hooded jacket as well.
That helps. As does the posture.
Neutral pelvis, elongated back, shoulders back.
Elevated chin, too. A little risky given the act, but the man wants to adjust his height, it would seem.
And he has done so convincingly. We think this could be an experienced burglar?
Taking a different body shape, basically, just to pull this off? Perhaps.
The physical presence has been given meticulous thought. Speaking of um meticulous thought, Nads is messaging me again.
Who is Nads?
Are they from the film? Nads. Nadia.
As in the woman who is getting married tomorrow. Ah, right.
Yes, of course. She's really got this thing planned down to a T.
And I don't.
I really don't want to be the TIT that cocks it up, if you know what I mean.
No, of course, of course. We can put a pin in this uh can't we until the wedding is all sorted can't we
hey it's wedding day big guy check me out it's like james bond johnny bond shaken not stir well actually neither i'll just just a beer oh it's gonna be a good and mate gonna be a good and hey oh this that's my bow tie what i'm gonna do i think they look stupid when they're done up so most of the day and during the ceremony i'm gonna wear the tie right normal tie and then once i'm on the whiskeys around 11:11:30, I'm gonna put the bow tie on, but not tie it.
Sort of a Sinatra-type crooner look, you know, sleazy, but suave sleaze. You know it.
Okay, just pop that in your pocket because you're clearly not listening. Right, Archie boy, time to sort this hair situation.
Oh, is that the fair maiden of Hispania? Heyo! Hola, hola hola!
Yowzers!
Look at you! Ah, gracias, gracias. Si, enefecto, soy la vella don fella de España.
And who are you wearing? Oh, thank you so much for asking. It's such an honor to be nominated.
I am wearing something, something from HM or TK Max, I can't remember. I wanted the Thada thing, but there was a sale and it was too busy, and I got overwhelmed and run away.
Beautiful, amazing.
And who are you wearing with such sophistication? Thank you so much. This is the suit that I only get out at funerals.
Oh, but that does mean I have in each pocket travel tissues. Oh, yay.
But I don't remember where it's from. Hey, the master detective yesterday gave a full wardrobe rundown.
He could probably tell me. Hey mate.
What did he do? The mazarin stone that got stolen off Kant.
Just call him Greg, please. No, Cantsy boy.
Can't stop me now.
Uh, anyway, yeah, Sherlock deduced from what the guy was wearing that his height was being disguised and yeah, it was it was all pretty cool. Oh, nice one, Sherlock.
But now he's being all socially anxious. Why are you being socially anxious? He won't talk.
He's just gonna keep staring in the mirror. And so you should.
That's a great suit. Yeah, great suit, mate.
Love it.
Mate.
Shut up.
Okay, please don't tell me that is the waxwork and he's gone missing on the day of the wedding. Please don't tell me that.
That um
is
the waxwork
and he's gone missing on the day of the wedding.
Shit. Shit.
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