"Jason Momoa"

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Speaker 2 I'm Jason Momoa,

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Speaker 2 Jason, you look, why do you look so clean cut today?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you look really good. Because I washed.
I'm fresh from the shower. I'm glad we were a little delayed today because I was running a a little behind.
And it occurred to me as I was racing through

Speaker 3 my rituals there of

Speaker 3 pre, during, and post-shower

Speaker 3 that my loop has gotten

Speaker 2 quicker.

Speaker 3 You know, the sort of, how long does it take you guys from start to finish? Like, oh, shit, I got to get out the door. I got to shower.
I got to get dressed. I got to get out the door.

Speaker 3 Are you like a 10-minute, five-minute, 15, or a half hour?

Speaker 1 I'm a five. Yeah, it takes me a long, long time.
Does it?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, because my.

Speaker 3 What we're enjoying right now doesn't just happen.

Speaker 2 What you're enjoying right now? Yeah, it takes some work.

Speaker 1 No, because my hair, it gets super, super, super poofy and big, and it takes forever to just do it so I can walk out the door.

Speaker 3 And then, so how do you get it down? How do you depoose?

Speaker 2 I have to. Is there a product?

Speaker 1 Ideally, I have to let it air dry because if I blow dry it, it gets massive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then

Speaker 2 it's really humid over in the UK.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's super humid, and I put water in it with the product, and then I spray it. It takes a long time.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. We should post on the website just your ritual just for people who are looking to, you know.

Speaker 3 And Willie, you just, you're just a five-minute.

Speaker 2 I'm a five-and-go.

Speaker 3 Truly just five minutes.

Speaker 3 Get your clothes off, get wet, get dry, get dressed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm a quick shower person.

Speaker 2 I'm a really quick shower person.

Speaker 2 Always have been. I obviously had those moments where you have a longer shower, but I'm a really quick.
I'm going to kind of...

Speaker 3 Well, let's stop there for a second. What are those moments where you're taking a longer shower? Is that when you're putting your hands on yourself?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 My shower is not my jack-shack. It's not? No, that's a separate.
I told you, that's a separate building out back. Are we seeing you?

Speaker 3 Are we seeing you in your jack-shack right now?

Speaker 2 You might be. You might be.

Speaker 3 It's a whisper booth slash jack-shack?

Speaker 2 No, it's shower time is long showers is usually like winter time and you're kind of chilled to the bone.

Speaker 1 Well, what about you, Jay? How fast can you do it?

Speaker 3 I'm a 15-minute all-in. I can be in the car.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's from getting undressed, showered, redressed down the stage.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'm 15 is

Speaker 2 15. I might be because I do a lot of other stuff, you know, grab everything, do a little quick moisturize.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's another thing. I've noticed my products, my products have increased as I've gotten older.
I've got creams and ointments and fucking

Speaker 2 all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 This is you creamed.

Speaker 3 Oh, I'm fully hydrated right now.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Check me out. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, if you could smell me.

Speaker 2 You do have, okay, you've got a little bit of a cute boy haircut right now. Yeah.
Hey, thanks, man. Yeah.
Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it does.
It's kind of a little good.

Speaker 2 Don't start acting boyish.

Speaker 3 But after the podcast, if you've got some extra time, maybe.

Speaker 2 Jesus.

Speaker 3 Hey, Will, who's your fucking guest today? You seem pretty chipper about this guest.

Speaker 2 I'll bet it's somebody that's

Speaker 2 I like our guest.

Speaker 3 Your guest is not intimidating.

Speaker 2 He's already making a lot of noise. Yeah, I can't.
Jason,

Speaker 2 you better mind your P's and Q's. Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Why? Because he'll reach through the screen and he'll grab you.

Speaker 3 Is this a hockey player that could tune in?

Speaker 2 No, he's not. But if he grew up in Canada, he would have been.
But he didn't. He grew up in Hawaii.
Oh, isn't that right? Yeah. And,

Speaker 2 you know, he's done a lot of stuff that we love. Barack Obama.
He's done a lot of.

Speaker 2 He's done a lot of.

Speaker 2 It's not a terrible guest. Did I get it? Guess.
No, you didn't get it. But

Speaker 2 he's done a ton of movies. This guy's been in like so many freaking huge movies.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say, like, I'm going to try to do it so you can just bury it a little bit. You know, things like, I'm not going to say the obvious ones.

Speaker 2 Lego Part 2 movie was in, Minecraft movie. You know him from Fall Guy.
You know him from Fast X, from the Fast series, but you also know him from the Aquaman movies and Zach Snyder's Justice League.

Speaker 2 And he has a new show Jason. This is coming out.
Let's just bring him out. Apple Technology.
Let's just bring him out. Where's Jason Babo?

Speaker 2 Got it. Wow, look.

Speaker 3 Wow. You can't swing these guys back me.

Speaker 2 I can guess it.

Speaker 3 What's up?

Speaker 2 Look at this guy.

Speaker 3 Jason, what is your,

Speaker 3 what's your, babe, we got to go. Come on.
Get dressed. What's your, I got to get undressed, shower, and redress.
What's your out the door?

Speaker 1 Do you do what Jason does? You cream on your face?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he creams on his face.

Speaker 2 What's me in and out of the door? How quick I gotta go?

Speaker 3 How quick

Speaker 3 if you're dirty and you need to shower and get dressed to go out?

Speaker 2 Yeah, 10, 15 minutes. Easy.
Yeah, it's quick.

Speaker 3 What about when the hair was super long?

Speaker 2 Fits nuts, ass, and then fucking out the dough.

Speaker 3 But the hair, what about when the hair was super long? That's a beast.

Speaker 2 My hair is super long. It's just

Speaker 2 my pony.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just in the back. Yeah.
I'm not cutting my hair again. No.

Speaker 2 Never again. Never? I don't want to.
Does it take like two hours to drive? Is it about that? To dry my hair? Yeah, that must, right? No. I just

Speaker 2 take it outside.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you get out and you just let it air dry, you probably look like an 80s rock-like heavy metal guy, right?

Speaker 2 Just cool everywhere. I mean, real men should dry.
Let's be true.

Speaker 3 Don't you have to like, don't you, you got to condition that shit and you got to watch out for your split ends and all.

Speaker 2 I put stuff in your hair. I don't put shit in it, man.
I don't.

Speaker 3 You walk around with a bunch of hair ties on your wrist?

Speaker 2 I do. I do.
You do, right? I do. Yeah, they do the hair ties, but I just.

Speaker 2 JB, you spend a lot of time worried about your split ends. Is this something that could keep you on the bottom?

Speaker 3 You know, when my hair was long for a second there, I was like, oh, shit,

Speaker 2 this is a nightmare. It's not fun.
Oh, it's easy.

Speaker 1 Mamoa, do you really do you do all the stuff that Jason does too with the creams and the things and the products? He's younger than I do.

Speaker 2 He doesn't need to yet. No, no, of course I put cream on my face.
My face feels dry, yeah. Because, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of chlorine in the water.

Speaker 2 Just when, you know, I'm in London right now and it's like everything is just obviously, yeah, you're just like, cool, it's Sean. So, Sean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I definitely, I definitely.

Speaker 2 Where are you? What part of town? I'm just at the careful jade. I'm at the Rosewood right now.
I was supposed to be in New York, but then the flight got canceled. Oh, Will.
Here comes Will.

Speaker 2 Hey, you know, I live in the Rosewood, too.

Speaker 3 Get him. Get him, Will.

Speaker 3 Everyone's getting along. Come on.
First question, Arnett. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Listen. Hey, F you, man.
You just

Speaker 2 completely,

Speaker 2 you know, hijacked him. Wait, is that cold brew up there?

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 3 is that a lager?

Speaker 2 This is Guinness. This is Guinness.
That's Guinness. That's Guinness.
Yeah, because it's what?

Speaker 3 It's like 6 p.m. over there.

Speaker 3 Go get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's 6 p.m.

Speaker 3 Are you getting after it tonight?

Speaker 3 What's going on tonight?

Speaker 2 No, I'm going to spend the time with my lady. She's in here doing a movie.
So

Speaker 2 my intention was to be, I was supposed to do Fallon tonight. So

Speaker 2 I'm in Budapest right now. Yeah, I'm in Budapest shooting Dune.
So I flew in and then we got stuck in a storm and then I couldn't get in. And so I was supposed to do Fallon.

Speaker 2 But I mean, I can do you guys. Now he got stuck doing us.
Yeah. No, I fucking, you guys are popping my chair, you guys.
You're the first podcast I've ever done. No way.

Speaker 2 You're the first podcast I've ever done. I've never agreed to do these because I don't want to get myself in trouble.
So please

Speaker 2 don't get me in trouble. Listen,

Speaker 2 you know this, Jason. The first time that we met was like at some event or something.
But you're one of those dudes where the first time we met, I felt like I knew you.

Speaker 2 We freaked the fuck out, is what we did. Yeah, we freaked out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you were outside smoking. I was like, yeah, yes.
You grabbed me and wrapped me. I was like, oh, same thing with Bateman, though.
Same thing.

Speaker 2 It was with my ex guys. It was the same thing, man.
Yeah. You were

Speaker 2 forever.

Speaker 3 So, so, wait, so you had to cancel on Fallon because of weather. I wonder who Fallon calls.
Everyone's got like that call.

Speaker 3 Like, I think, I forget who Kimmel said his call is when a guest drops out last minute.

Speaker 2 You've got somebody you can get on the blower to get hey can you drive down and do the show tonight because you know they're live um i wonder yeah well i mean it was a pre-tape so i mean all right i mean i've been i've i've had i've done it a few times yeah you've been you've been i've last read i've i've last minute for for kimmel before and i've last

Speaker 3 you are one of the great

Speaker 2 back in the day when he was in new york that is they'd call and they'd be like so-and-so like their flight got canceled or they were sick or whatever and you come and make a jackass out of yourself no you are one of the great all-time talk show guests um

Speaker 3 Mama, how are you? Do you like the talk shows?

Speaker 2 I do. I love it.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, I think this is probably way better to do because it's way more personal and you get time.

Speaker 3 Well, this is just a conversation bullshit thing.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't have to get out. You don't have to dress up and like, you just show up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to have bits on those talk shows. Yeah, it just depends on what you're supporting.
Like, right now, I'm doing like my dream project. Like, it's my Braveheart or my Dances with Wolves.

Speaker 2 So it's

Speaker 2 my, I've worked my. No, no, no, Chief of War.
So the Chief of Show that I have coming out is

Speaker 2 1790s Hawaii so I created it oh no way I wrote it no way right I directed it actually come on

Speaker 2 yeah he did all of this August 1st on Apple TV yeah so you directed all the episodes no no no I direct the finale I mean I couldn't I mean I couldn't do all of them but it was but I mean I created the show I co-created it and wrote it with my partner and then but it's been like my 10-year project that I did with Apple and it's all like just right after the white man came so it's like it's 1790s Hawaii and it's it's all in Alelo Hawaii So it's all in the language, which is, you know, very, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a pretty big deal.

Speaker 2 Whole thing subtitled? It's a subtitled, it's a whole, but it does, it, it slowly gets into English. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But oh, buddy. It's a my character, actually.

Speaker 2 Like, he uh, he leaves Hawaii and he goes out to the world and he comes back with all the weapons, but he basically gets to see the world and just see what's coming. And then he unites.

Speaker 2 It's, it's, it's about the unification of the Hawaiian Islands. Sean, that's your that's your approach when you're in the UK, right? Just slowly get into English.
Hey,

Speaker 2 so Jason, talk a little bit. How did it start?

Speaker 2 What was the genesis of this whole idea of doing this project?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's just, it's never happened before, you know, these images.

Speaker 2 My great-great-great-grandfather has never even seen anything like this. So we've only had these in paintings or in museums.
So nothing has ever existed like this. Yeah, I know nothing about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so it's just like wanting to make something about King Kamehameha and just like our people and all the different things that were happening.

Speaker 2 But I needed something that would encompass a lot of things that were going on. It's like telling Abraham Lincoln's story, and you're like, that's why Spielberg did Gettysburg.
You know, just

Speaker 2 the little moments of his life, but it's like, how do I encompass this whole area of Hawaii? And this character helped me do that.

Speaker 3 How was what was it? What was the, was the, this,

Speaker 3 the settlement, the settling of Hawaii, like when the white man came over,

Speaker 2 was it like a war?

Speaker 3 Was it contentious? Was it smooth?

Speaker 2 Was it I mean, I think when Cook first came, they were kind of blown away. And what happened is I think

Speaker 2 he left.

Speaker 2 They kind of snuck onto the ship. And maybe took a couple things, and then they executed one of them, I think.

Speaker 2 And that pissed everybody off. And so they left.
And when they got stuck in a storm, they came back. And that's when all hell broke broke loose.
And so that's when Cook died on the big island.

Speaker 2 Wait, gosh, Cook again? Yeah, so Captain when Captain Cook died in Hawaii. Oh.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 but this is after Cook. So,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 it's just a really beautiful story. It's very much like an Arthurian kind of, you know, the Guinevere, Sir Lancelot, King Arthur story between you have this love story.

Speaker 2 At the same time, you have us, a character that leaves Hawaii. He goes to China.
He goes to the Philippines. He goes to Alaska.
And he comes back. And that's what he brings back all the weapons.

Speaker 2 And he sees the outside world, and he sees what's coming. Yeah.
And you go to see what's happening in Hawaii at the time. So it's a very huge, huge show.
Yeah. And

Speaker 2 that's cool. That's really.

Speaker 2 Coming out of my birthday, guys.

Speaker 2 Is that right? August 1st. Oh, wait.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 Wait, so going to do that and

Speaker 2 being, you know, being Hawaiian and coming home and doing this story that obviously means a lot to you.

Speaker 2 Was it, I imagine there must have been a bunch of moments you had where it was like almost spiritual or you just like felt like the fact that you got to do this and tell this story must have been pretty rad.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't think there's anything bigger that I'll do because, I mean, it's not like I'm playing a superhero or something like that. I'm playing my ancestors.
I'm actually like,

Speaker 2 you know, was there pressure in that? Did you feel like

Speaker 2 God? Yeah. I mean, like, I'm putting on, I'm putting on outfits that you're not even allowed to, I mean, they're just in museums.
So the things that we're wearing,

Speaker 2 I wouldn't even be allowed to wear. You know what I mean? Like, so it's

Speaker 2 even extras were wearing it. So it was a huge thing.
And at the same time, it's like,

Speaker 2 you know, the movies we had were from like Aotearoa. They're from New Zealand, like Once We're Warriors, or like Whale Rider.

Speaker 2 Like, there's all these Polynesian stories, but there hasn't been something from Hawaii.

Speaker 2 So it really kind of united Polynesia because there's not really, everyone comes to Hawaii, they make movies there, but they don't make Hawaiian movies. They don't make movies about us.

Speaker 2 Movies about us. So, So, you know, we're a part of America.
We just, no one really knows our story. And so I feel like

Speaker 2 this thing is something that's never happened before. And at the same time,

Speaker 2 we didn't really have the resources. And so it's really united Polynesia because we got Tongan, Samoan, Fijian, Tahitian, Maori, all these different cultures helping us tell this story.

Speaker 2 So it's been really wonderful.

Speaker 2 How old were you when you,

Speaker 3 how long did you grow up before you left?

Speaker 2 My parents got divorced when i was six months old so it was pretty shitty i left at a very young age but i was raised in iowa which is really what most people wouldn't think is great i think it's really great i grew up in the midwest which is yeah if you're if you grew up in the midwest you kind of know that's it's a pretty spectacular place you grow up yeah like i agree i mean my work ethic family values like it just it's a very strong place having said that i grew up where bridges in madison county was made so i grew up like wow literally like not a race

Speaker 2 so i'd go from literally a small country town to going to like kind of the reservation of the hawaiian side so um

Speaker 2 basically where i'm from is all local side and it's uh

Speaker 2 not really being accepted there or being accepted there so it was a bit of a right it's a bit of like trying to figure that out but i would spend my summers with my father and you know and then i would you know go to school with my mother.

Speaker 3 So you were born in Hawaii, then went to Iowa, then went back to Hawaii?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So when I was in college, I went out to Colorado and that's where I was going.
And then I kind of, my family, I come from one of the biggest surf families in

Speaker 2 Hawaii. My great uncle's like Buffalo, Keolana.
I come from a long list of amazing watermen. So I kind of went over there to like really sink in with my family, get to know my father better.

Speaker 2 And I was 19 and then a TV show came and I ended up, I was just folding t-shirts at the family surf shop.

Speaker 2 And then I ended up getting the lead role in this really horrible show that just fucking killed me.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm talking about, baby. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 So you're working in the surf shop. There's a lot of fucking holes we got to dig ourselves out.
That's right. Were you?

Speaker 2 What were you doing?

Speaker 3 So in Hawaii, so you're working at the family surf shop. Were you surfing? How did you

Speaker 2 get on a board? I was just throwing in big waves. Like this movie came out called In God's Hands.
And my cousin, Brian Kiolana, he was the one who was towing in with Laird and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 And so I was like, what am I doing? I can go

Speaker 2 surf these big waves with my family. so i took the summer off and i went over there and then the moment i was supposed to go back to school i got the lead role so i was just like

Speaker 3 wait wait wait on the surfing part did you are have you been towed into waves like do you surf those come on

Speaker 2 i towed into like a 20-foot wave with uh out mccool unbelievable

Speaker 3 this is a real man you guys

Speaker 2 i mean come on let's tighten

Speaker 2 around and laird you got you got once towed to the service stage to the bmw stage didn't you they towed you yeah well actually it was only on a flatbed flatbed.

Speaker 3 My car, because of the front fairing, you couldn't tow it, so you got to put it up on a flatbed. But I did ride up front with the guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No way up front with the guy.

Speaker 1 Wait, Mama, tell me, wait, you almost drowned for real?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was doing this paddle.

Speaker 2 We went in at Jaws. Oh my God, Jaws now.
It was a real deal. And we did like a 14, maybe it was like a 13-mile paddle with from, I was with Dave Kalama, my friend Joe Flanagan, and

Speaker 2 Laird Hamilton. We paddled like 13 miles down the coast, and you're kind of almost a mile offshore.

Speaker 2 And then my leash snapped. And I was about, and I was, we were about seven miles into it.
And my leash snapped. And

Speaker 2 it's so windy on Maui. And so the board just went, I couldn't even see it anymore.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Sean, you were going to say your leash snapped once too, but it was cool because you didn't have to pay the guy, right? Because it's like,

Speaker 3 you snap it that hard on me. It's going to break.
I told you.

Speaker 2 I know. And you know what? I did free.

Speaker 3 Don't yank on it so hard. It'll fucking break.

Speaker 1 And then we ended up getting married 20 years later.

Speaker 2 Hey, listen, Jason.

Speaker 2 And we will be right back.

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Speaker 1 Wait, so tell me, when you're in that position of almost drowning, what is your brain like so scary? So you know it's happening. Do you have a protocol of what to do in that moment?

Speaker 1 Are you even thinking clearly enough to know how to save yourself?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I was trained pretty well, so it was fine.
So I was just, I took quite a few on the head. Um, they're pretty big.
They're like 10 foot, 10-foot Hawaiian waves, but

Speaker 2 you were, I'm literally probably a half mile at that point off shore, and it was just, I was,

Speaker 2 it's actually this place is called shit fucks. And it's literally because there's all this water that pulls out.
And it's just like dollar drinks on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 And it just, it just, it just, it pulls you out and you just get hit with these waves. So I was stuck in this crazy spot, which is probably the outer reef.
And unknown to me.

Speaker 2 I was really on the outer reef and

Speaker 2 they couldn't see me. And I had my paddle and I was waving it and they couldn't see me.
And the waves were so big, it was basically took my shorts off. It was so fucking big.
Hang on.

Speaker 2 I reached down, put my shorts back on.

Speaker 3 Shorts off? It shit fucks.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty sure that's in the village. I looked in.

Speaker 2 Shorts were off. It shit fucks.

Speaker 2 I looked in. I looked in and I was just like,

Speaker 2 my daughter at that time was three months old. And I was, I just, I lost.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 2 I couldn't.

Speaker 2 And who said you had to get out of it?

Speaker 2 Well, what ended up happening? I was out there for a while. And then

Speaker 2 I just couldn't see anyone coming to get me. And I couldn't move anymore.
And my arms and my legs gave up after, you know, I was out there for a while. But Laird had to go in.

Speaker 2 and then go all the way around me and paddle up behind me. So like he said, it's a coastal paddle.
So it goes with the trade wind. So you're going down the coast.

Speaker 2 And then he uh came from behind and i had already given up my body stopped like i couldn't move my arms anymore and uh i bubbled down and then my my toe hit the outer reef like i i literally gave up and i'm screaming inside and my foot just hits the outer reef And I don't know if it was a fucking whale or like just could be one rock, but I just reached down, grab it, I jump up, I get hit by another wave and I dig my feet into the coral and and i'm literally in the middle of the ocean and i'm just i could barely put my lips above just to breathe and get a break but i had already given up so it's like you've already given up and died and have a second chance at it and and then i still stayed out there for like 10 minutes i'm just hanging on the side of this reef and um and then i hear laird come from behind and he's on my board towing his board and i get on and he's like you're right and i'm like no and i get back on the board and we start paddling he's like you got to go out out and so we just keep paddling out and i just keep trying to go over every wave i lose the board he loses the board it's just a shit fucking it is brutal getting out of this spot and so we end up getting out really far on the end like pretty much on the shelf of maui and i have seven more miles to paddle my feet are covered in blood and i'm just literally like with my ancestors just paddling the rest of this way head down

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we get out. And I mean, I could have been trolling.
There's going to be sharks everywhere, but I'm just like trolling this whole fucking coast.

Speaker 2 Blood. It's all this blood you're dropping too.
And we get in. And I used to smoke.
And I used to smoke like two, three packs a day. I'd rub the pouch.
I couldn't stop for my kids.

Speaker 2 I couldn't stop for my ex.

Speaker 2 I couldn't stop smoking. And the moment I came out, I never smoked again.
Like, I just died. I just died.
Like, I tried and tried, but I couldn't do it again because I just, I gave up.

Speaker 2 Like, I gave up my life.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the moment you felt that you were saved, that you, that he actually, that you actually got through it? Do you remember that moment?

Speaker 2 I remember seeing him, but I was like, but, you know, I was 10 minutes dead already. You know, that would have been 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 Had there not been the outer reef, like, had there not been some, you know, and I do believe my ancestors. I do believe my, you know, I prayed to my grandmother, my grandfather.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was, I was, I was reaching. And

Speaker 2 I was in a bad position. And

Speaker 2 you're stuck out there in that kind of waves with no board. You're fucked.
And there's no way you can swim in. It's just not.
I don't have that.

Speaker 2 So it was, it was a bad spot to be in. But I imagine that, that gives you like a,

Speaker 2 it's a pretty sharp contrast and gives you some perspective to,

Speaker 2 like you said, you quit smoking and that going forward from that moment, you're like,

Speaker 2 all right, I've been through some shit and everything else is kind of gravy. Did you have a little bit of that?

Speaker 2 You know, I did a little harder run. I think, you know, I have qualities that are, could, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I was pretty hard on myself that night.

Speaker 2 I did a lot of stupid shit and I just really was like pissed at myself for the position I was in, and probably tortured myself even more for the stupid shit that I did. Wow.
So, I don't know.

Speaker 2 It was a bit of a hard learning curve, but I feel like I've always had that where it's just like

Speaker 2 my learning curves are pretty hard on me. So, yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, I was, I was,

Speaker 3 I was thinking about that the other day about

Speaker 3 how

Speaker 3 I find myself in a completely different

Speaker 3 life than I was having in

Speaker 3 my 20s. I I mean, as everyone does, you sort of go through these stages.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 how are you finding your life now as a fully functioning

Speaker 3 professional that's able to write and direct and produce and star and

Speaker 3 take all these sort of adult meetings and like all this kind of shit that it doesn't sound like you were doing at all

Speaker 2 in your earlier sexual life, like me too, just being being a uh you know a dickhead i think if you have yeah i think i there's a potential that you you you have that needs to come out and i just until i met the people that actually like until i met my partners until i met the people that actually made me get those things out i was just bashing myself with addiction and drugs and like just

Speaker 3 another level of like things that you're just burning yeah you're just yeah you go through that stage you've got to get it out yeah yeah there's so much because now's now's not a good time to do it so it like you it sounds like we were doing that stuff at a time when you're supposed to but you do that really well such that you can now do this really well and and are you are you enjoying that like and do you have that kind of clarity and perspective like that was a version of jason momoa and now this is a version of jason and they're both they're both me and and i'm just going through it 100 yeah i mean they're great they're great uh all the things that we did when we were younger i'm glad i you know it wasn't handed out it was a very hard road to get where i'm at so yeah having said i've been you know i've I've been directing for the last almost 12 years now.

Speaker 2 I like that process. I love producing.
I love not being just an actor. I love being able to,

Speaker 2 if someone's going to judge me on something, like I took this choice, I made all these choices instead of just being an actor.

Speaker 2 It's nice just to go to the trailer and be an actor, but I also love, I mean, this is just the way my brain works. I want to have 100 things going on.

Speaker 2 And I just love working. I love,

Speaker 2 I just love being responsible for those things. So I'm not sure.
Well,

Speaker 2 you also appreciate it because of all the things, Jason, like you were just saying. And I think I'm finding, I'm going through it right now at this age.
I'm 55.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I was waiting for you guys to go. No way.
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
It really sounds late. There's a delay.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, I've just recently, truly, the last,

Speaker 2 I don't know, almost a couple of weeks, I finally had this moment where I was like, I feel this kind of shift happening and this sort of cloud lifting and this thing happening in my life where I feel like I'm okay.

Speaker 2 I'm cool with who I am today.

Speaker 2 And it took me going through a lot of different shit. And it's different from any other period of my life.
It's really, it's really rad and really profound.

Speaker 1 It's one of the gifts of getting older, right?

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You start to care a little less about what other people perceive you as and the artifice and the efforts you make to sort of convince those that you might be X, Y, or Z.

Speaker 3 And it's like, no, I'm just A, B, or C. You know, like, this is just me.
And if you see it, great. If you don't, that's okay too.

Speaker 3 It's more, most important is that number one understands who number one is and that I'm okay with that. There's only one of me.
And I hope you guys dig it.

Speaker 3 If you don't, there's other people to talk to.

Speaker 2 A little bit. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 I think there's truth in that.

Speaker 2 Wait, so Mamo, you're talking about

Speaker 2 you did this shitty show, but like

Speaker 2 your first, I guess that was your first acting gig, right? The thing you were talking about that you did in Hawaii? Yeah, you know what's kind of cool about it.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, listen, I fell in love with acting because I was a biology major. I was a science major, and that's what I wanted to do.
And so I,

Speaker 2 you know, Bay Watch Hawaii came and whatever. I was 19 years old.
You got to make $100 being an extra, and I was folding t-shirts for 16, and you got to meet a bunch of hot chicks.

Speaker 2 And I was 19 years old. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go on.
Perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it was like 1,300 people showed up down there, and we went in, and I ended up, you know,

Speaker 2 ended up getting the lead role. I was supposed to go back to college.
And my mom's like, What are you doing? I'm like, Baby, watch why. And she's like, What? And so, I mean, like, it just,

Speaker 2 you know, I didn't know what to call the thing about it. And, but I fell in love with acting.
I basically watched tons of movies, and every movie I'd watch, I'd just play that character the next day.

Speaker 2 You know, if I watched Seth Ellman, I was Gary Oldman that day.

Speaker 2 If I watched Fight Club, I was fucking Tyler Gurden in that episode. And so, I mean, I literally just, it was practice and doing all that.
And I just

Speaker 2 didn't give a shit. And I, I, I,

Speaker 2 but I fell in love with it. And having said that, every grip and like from catering to

Speaker 2 the grip, makeup, everyone, they're on my show. You know, I'm 40, somebody, 46 on August 1st.
And they're all did Chief of War with me. Wow.
And I'm coming home telling our people's movie.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I've dug myself out of massive, massive holes.

Speaker 2 You know, I learned my, I went through college doing, you know, Stargate in Atlantis and hiding in Canada and making a sci-fi show. But I learned how to do everything.

Speaker 2 And I was like, listen, I'm going to shoot this myself. So I started at that point, I could write, direct, do all the stuff on my own.
Cause it was like 22 episodes, nine months of my life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just like banging out stuff. And you're like, no, that was my college.

Speaker 2 And then I had an accident and took some time off. But I, you know, got married, had some kids, and then Game of Thrones came out.
And then no one knew what the fuck to do with that guy. Right.

Speaker 2 You're kind of stuck in that jail of like until you get to the fourth season of it.

Speaker 2 And I was like, while we did Game of Thrones, I did, I wrote, you know, co-wrote my first movie and I did Road to Paloma. And I was just like, fuck this.

Speaker 2 I made Pride of Gypsies, which is a bunch of actors, a group of friends, and we just made movies together. And, you know, some of us were holding, we'd all hold the boom.
We'd all do this.

Speaker 2 We'd all shoot. And so we all came from that thing where it's just, we did the work, we edited it, we shot it.
And that's how we kind of built,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm not going to wait for anything. So we just kind of went about it that way.
Cause I was like, no one's going to give me this shit. You got to go.
You got to go get get it.

Speaker 2 So we rewrote all our own stuff. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's cool. You know, I remember seeing you in Game of Thrones and I was like, you just

Speaker 1 the character and the size of you. I was just like, my God, this guy's such an incredibly, you know, fit human being.
And the size of you. I was like, and then

Speaker 1 because your entrance, you're like, oh my God, who's this guy? And then you start acting. You're like, oh, wow, he's like a brilliant actor.

Speaker 2 And you have presence. He has such, you have such

Speaker 2 presence apart from your physical you just have presence as a person

Speaker 2 yeah that's really magnetic and i wonder right

Speaker 1 sean like like yeah i was just so surprised that like that i know what you mean by what well what do we do with this guy but i was like well he's a great actor that's what you do with him you just you plug him into any role was game of thrones was was that the first

Speaker 2 was that the was that a turning point it must have been

Speaker 2 that was that was the turning point we got to respect but it was it's it didn't like because he didn't say much and even though i played like a really good character, played it, and yeah, did my job well.

Speaker 2 But it was, uh,

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a, it's a thing where it's like, I, I, I'm a huge SNL fan. Like, I love comedy.
I just want to do comedy. That was the thing.
I grew up with SNL. It's all I wanted to do.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you hosted twice. No one, no one fucking knows me that way.
So I didn't know. They just, you know,

Speaker 2 and they just use me as action, or I don't say much. And so it's, it's a very weird thing to kind of live in that action.
And you're, you're this and that.

Speaker 2 Because my mom, my mom and my dad are both painters, right?

Speaker 2 my mom you know I was raised watching rear window and like gone with the wind and street car name desire my I was raised with a single mother that worked four jobs in Iowa so it's like I didn't grow up even like grew up into this body I'm like I'm a total art like an art nerd and I grew up in a different way and you just kind of like uh

Speaker 2 this isn't really me

Speaker 3 this is more me right it's difficult it's like you've you're this you're this huge presence you've you're you're you're in this you're in this this big beautiful god frame you're you're a very good-looking man, too.

Speaker 3 And inside of that is somebody who not only wants to do comedy, but can also do very subtle, nuanced dramatic acting as well.

Speaker 3 And so, how do you like, you know, you obviously have to account for how you come across. And so they can only put you in those types of characters.

Speaker 3 And those characters aren't historically super funny or super sensitive.

Speaker 2 You know, so it's like, I'm just, I mean, until you get to know me. And like, I think we've had a little bit of time with each other.
So, but it's like, I

Speaker 2 just,

Speaker 2 you know, it's my first time doing a comedy doing, doing Minecraft finally with Jack Black, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, finally.

Speaker 2 Or just getting into SNL, like that's, that's all that matters to me is like, just all I want to do is.

Speaker 1 You killed it on SNL back then. Oh, so funny.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Now you've got the juice where I'm sure you can go to your team and say, hey, so I'd like to do parts like X, Y, or Z.
Can you go out there and see?

Speaker 2 Or create. By the way, I mean, like you create.

Speaker 3 While you're busy doing your job, they can do theirs trying to bring you you options in those areas because you've got the juice to where like a part is written not for a guy with your physical type, but it you've got enough juice now where they can actually change what that actor might be, what that character might look like without changing any of the dialogue.

Speaker 3 You know?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you should tell. Yes, he agrees with you.

Speaker 2 But yes, they can search it out. But I wonder, do you have like,

Speaker 2 because you mentioned Rhodes Apple and the movie that you wrote and directed, which,

Speaker 2 by the way, when you first started directing, and this is a Jason question, did you love that shift to directing? I love it. I mean, I don't want to actually be in front.

Speaker 2 I'd rather be behind the camera. Like, I love every.
You're like JB. JB's the same.
Yeah, I mean, like, that's where it's.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's top and bottom jokes there. You say you don't want to be in front.
You want to be in the...

Speaker 2 But I don't have it fully written right now, but just come back to me on that. Check your text.
Check work on it. We're checking the text.

Speaker 2 You love being behind the camera, right? Oh, God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'd stay back there and never, never act again.

Speaker 3 Although I do like acting, and I also, acting in something that I'm directing, I really, I really love just because, as you said, I love being overwhelmed with the amount of work and responsibility as opposed to just hiding in the trailer.

Speaker 3 You know, like I'm a glutton for that stuff.

Speaker 2 But you dropping in, like, I'm smoking aces and shit like that. That's just hilarious.
Like, you got it.

Speaker 2 Like, that stuff is like, you you know, when you have little roles that come in, you're like, I don't want to support this and come in and do something. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 Of course, I love if I can add and get the budget up, whatever they need to do. Yeah.
But I'd rather not have all the, I don't need to be the lead of this.

Speaker 2 I'd rather make my movies and I like them small. And

Speaker 2 I don't want to direct like a massive.

Speaker 2 This is probably the biggest it'll ever be. Like when I directed Chief of War, I directed four or five units.

Speaker 2 The finale is on the lava field. Dude, here's a crazy story.

Speaker 2 So you you might ask this earlier will like a crazy story about chief of war when we first wrote it the whole finale is about these uh two cousins fighting over the big island and the volcano goes off in history and it's literally snowing ash and the volcano is coming down and the volcano it's it's kind of like let's just say it's 50 000 versus 10 000 and the volcano comes down and wipes out the persons who lives in that territory and that's how kamehameha won in history.

Speaker 2 So when we wrote this, I literally saw on the calendar in the production meeting, I go, boom, volcano is going to go off. And everyone's laughing at me like, no, no, no, it's not going to go off.

Speaker 2 We cut to, we're there the night before. We're driving between Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea.

Speaker 2 And I tell my partner, I'm like, bro, it's going to go off. I know it.
And about four hours later, production calls. Mauna Loa goes off, which is probably 10 plus years since it went off.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Mauna Loa goes off. We obviously break because no one's worked during a volcano.
So we're checking

Speaker 2 air quality and all those kind of things. And they're like, yeah, we're good to go.
So the next day we go, Kilauea goes off.

Speaker 2 That's the first time in human written history that both volcanoes went off. I go and I shoot eight days.
I wanted to shoot.

Speaker 2 the fight so it was like we're in the daytime and it goes into night I want to see the night I want to shift into blue light I want to I want to go through the sunset I want want to go into blue light.

Speaker 2 So I just shoot the whole fight in reverse. So you show up at four o'clock in the morning.
You're ushering in 300 extras, 100 something. You're massive fucking battle, dude.
Yeah. On lava fields.

Speaker 2 So anyone falls, gets hurts. Where do you put the power to potties? How do you hide this?

Speaker 2 I mean, just all the schematics of like, how do you shoot this massive epic piece in the area where it happened? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we shoot it there.

Speaker 2 I got about four to five units I'm directing at the same time where I built it where i can shoot simultaneously so they can be used as extras in the background as i'm shooting this one as i'm shooting that so i kind of designed the whole thing where i can and the 80s just like what what what and i'm sitting in the production meeting and i have it all balanced out and uh

Speaker 2 yeah dude the volcanoes this thing went off on the eighth day we end

Speaker 2 and the volcano stops

Speaker 3 the day we end both volcanoes end that's fun so were you getting the the sort of the production value of those volcanoes going off?

Speaker 2 We sent some people up to go shoot some stuff. Yeah.
But did you have ash coming down? Oh, we shot it. Yeah, no, no.
We didn't have ash coming down in our scene.

Speaker 2 Otherwise, we wouldn't have been working because that would have been

Speaker 2 pretty bad for our health. But we had ash and all that stuff coming down.
So it's a huge, massive scene where we shot it in reverse.

Speaker 2 So that way I can shoot all our key characters in the same light.

Speaker 2 But it's all, yeah, it's completely in reverse. Wow.
It was meant to be

Speaker 2 a massive feat. So the finale is like, that's my, that was like, I'm shooting the finale.
And everyone's like, there's no way we'll pull this off. I'm like, I can't wait to see this.

Speaker 3 I've seen some of the posters around town. It looks awesome.

Speaker 2 And it's all in our language. It's all in a level of Hawaii.
So you're like, you're going to be like, it's such a beautiful language. It's the most beautiful language.
It's so red.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're going to love it. Yeah, I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 And back to the show.

Speaker 2 You were talking about shooting that, that's pretty rad, that scene

Speaker 2 on the lava field and shooting that. And you've done a lot of kind of big, epic scenes like that.
You've acted in a lot of them. Was there anybody like Aquaman?

Speaker 2 Like, didn't you have like underwater fight scenes basically? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 how'd you pull all that kind of stuff? What was that process like?

Speaker 2 Lots of stuff, man. I don't want to do that.
Lots of stuff.

Speaker 2 It's brutal, man. It's brutal.
It's, it's, uh, that's us hard. I mean, fighting in a suit, that putting that suit on.
I mean, I would, the best superhero in the world is Lego Batman. Ah, come on.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 Black. Dude, my son.

Speaker 2 You're the best bat. You're the greatest Batman in the world.
The greatest. Well, I mean, you're the fucking best in the world, bro.
Come on, you are Batman. Thanks.

Speaker 2 Tell me more.

Speaker 2 Black.

Speaker 2 That's a good impression. And sometimes very, very dark gray.

Speaker 2 Listen, that's very kind of you. But I mean, you've, you know, you're fucking, you're an Aquaman, dude.
And you had,

Speaker 2 you had to do,

Speaker 2 you know, wear all the, put all that shit on. Do you like having to do that stuff? Like, put all the fucking suit on.

Speaker 2 No, I don't. No.

Speaker 2 But you do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The tattoos? It's all hard, bro. Sorry.
It's all hard. But then you go and do stuff.
But in the same time, you do like the, like like Dune, like going to working with Denis. I mean, it must be.

Speaker 2 Denise is amazing. I love those movies.
I love those movies. Did you guys hear what happened right now? No, no.

Speaker 2 Check this story out.

Speaker 2 So I'm in Japan with my, my son's dream is to go to Japan. So his 16th birthday, we go with the whole family.
And I...

Speaker 2 I'm with him and I'm like, gosh, he's trained martial arts his whole life. He always wants to act.
I'm like, you're never acting. There's no way I'm not letting you act.

Speaker 2 He does like school plays in Topanga, right? That's it. That's the extension of like his acting skills.
Yeah, yeah. You know,

Speaker 2 but I'm just like, I don't want my kid, child acting. I don't want you in this business.
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 You know, obviously the mother's been through it. I'm like, no, you're not, you're not, you're not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just like

Speaker 2 tail, sure.

Speaker 2 But he grew up with his dad being this thing.

Speaker 2 He just loves it, but he loves martial arts. So, cut to, I'm like, he's 16.
I really want it's time for my son to be with me and travel.

Speaker 2 And maybe he can do school abroad. So I asked the mother and we're like, yeah, Wolfie can come with me.

Speaker 2 I would like him to come to Dune because if he really wants to learn acting, I'm like, we're going to be at the Chalamet. We're going to be at Denis.
We're going to be with Dendea.

Speaker 2 He should be watching his father. Like day in, day out.
I want his work ethic to be like mine of the Midwest. I want him to see how hard it is.
Getting up at this time, doing this.

Speaker 2 Like it's, it's, it's, it's hard. You know what I mean? Yeah.
It's not digging ditches, but it's fucking hard.

Speaker 2 And when you have to do something over and over, if you're doing a fight scene all day long like no you go 10 rounds 12 rounds but like this is all day and you're in a suit that weighs 40 pounds and you're like it's brutal yeah and so i want him to like understand the business so he's begging me to learn all this stuff so all right fine well let's send uncle kale kale did my i did minecraft with i did dune with he's a producer i'm sure you guys know him and so kale kale boy yeah kale boyter and i it's just like he's a dear friend i was like listen we'll send him a stunt you know so we tape something for for wolf we send it in and Kale's like, what the fuck, dude?

Speaker 2 Your son does because he's been doing it his whole life. And he's like, wow, he does this.
And I'm like, yeah, he's pretty good at it.

Speaker 2 Do you think we can get him like a Fremen role and he can do some fight scenes

Speaker 2 and let him be on set? And he goes, dude, we're casting for the kids, for Chalamans and Deus.

Speaker 2 Basically, like, I guess it's like Skywalker and

Speaker 2 Leia. You know, it's children of Dune.
So it's the two kids. And I was like, all right, well,

Speaker 2 he does, does he act? I'm like, like, eh, you know, it's it's you know, it's it's community theater, and uh, anyways, they send they send it.

Speaker 2 I'm in New Zealand, the mother's with him, he does the scene,

Speaker 2 you know. We, and then I, I, we don't want, I don't want to coach him at all.
I don't, I don't know how to teach acting. I don't have a fucking style, it's just through sucking,

Speaker 2 you know, it's through sucking that I sucking a little less each year, yes, every time. Like, I've had 27 years of fucking sucking that I figured it out.
So I'm like, I don't really have a style.

Speaker 2 So I'm not going to, I don't know how to teach it. So my dear friend, Cliff Curtis, who I looked up to, and he was in the show with me.
I was like, can you talk to my son a little bit about acting?

Speaker 2 And so he talks to him a little bit.

Speaker 2 Wolf does the scene. We tape it.
We send it in. And they fucking love it.
And I'm like, holy shit.

Speaker 2 He's like, we want him to come to London and test. Oh, my God.
Like, dude, what?

Speaker 2 And I have to fly from New Zealand to London, and my son goes into a room with Denny Veleneuve and has to test with five girls, and

Speaker 2 it's three and a half hours long. I'm so fucking stressed out.
Yeah. And like, way more stressed than you would be for yourself.

Speaker 2 I mean, bro.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I'm fine. No, I'm freaking out because my son is just wild.
He is so wild and amazing. And, but he just, I guess he was beautiful.
Like, you know, Mary Perrin was texting me.

Speaker 2 He's like, he's killing, he's doing great. But he had to, he had to do like a really hard scene.
That even if I had to do that scene, there's no way I could pull that off.

Speaker 2 And to do that for the first time, and this kid killed it. And he did it on his own.
I didn't help him at all. How about that? And I'm doing fucking dune with my son right now.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 I didn't know.

Speaker 2 I literally just, we just got the part. Premiere, bro, the premiere of Chief of War.
We flew to Hawaii. We did the premiere, I think, on the 18th.
We got on a plane plane that night.

Speaker 2 We landed on the 19th. My daughter's 18th was the 20th.
We flew out the 21st. We landed in Budapest on the 22nd.
He went to work on the 23rd. Jesus.

Speaker 2 His first goddamn scene. And I'm sitting there shooting my pants, going like he's with Zendaya.

Speaker 2 I'm like, he's in it. And I'm like, my baby,

Speaker 2 16 years old. And he just killed it.
I was crying. I was a fucking wreck.
I was so proud of him.

Speaker 1 And did he ever go, did he go, dad, you were right? Did he say, you're right? This is really fucking hard.

Speaker 2 He's like, it's so hard. It's so hard.
He's just like, popping, I have so much respect for you now. And he understands every person that works with me now.
It's going like, yeah, I need help.

Speaker 2 I need help. These are the people that help.
You don't have any scenes with him, do you? I don't this, but

Speaker 2 in the future, but I'm like, I'm just there and I'm watching them.

Speaker 2 And, you know, Denny, who I fucking love and dearly, and he's just like, he's, he's just, he loves Wolf and he's just doing a great job. And so I'm like, it's the craziest feeling.

Speaker 3 How incredible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, God damn it, dude. I just didn't want him to do it, but he's, I'm not going to lie to you, like, he's so good.

Speaker 2 I'm not surprised. Look at his parents.
I'm not surprised either. And I also think like you, you want your kids to just be better than you.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, this motherfucker is going to be like, he's going to blow me away. Nice.
He's so goddamn present. Two things I want to say.
One is you've paved the way because you're a great dude.

Speaker 2 And it's no surprise to me that he's great because you're great. And it's no surprise to me that you deserve it in this time.
Think about the year you've had that you're doing.

Speaker 2 You've got chief of war, this thing that is really personal to you and about your family. And now you have your immediate family and your son coming and working with you.

Speaker 2 What an incredible feeling you must have in your heart this year about where you're at. Just in that, just think about that.
It's pretty radical. I start Dune.
I start August 1st, and this comes out.

Speaker 2 So I start Dune on August 1st. I went and watched my son

Speaker 2 on the day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 Well, you put in a lot of hard work.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you, you know what, Jason,

Speaker 2 Mama, I'll tell you something that my son said to me recently. My son Abel, a friend of ours, whom we all know, had something happen in their life and it was public.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it was like sort of shocking. So my son Abel comes to me and he says, Hey, I heard about that thing.
Is so-and-so okay? And I said, Yeah, yeah, they're fine. It all worked out fine.

Speaker 2 And he goes, You know, I was just thinking,

Speaker 2 man, thank God we're not as famous as them.

Speaker 2 Nice work, Dad. And I go, first of all, you're not famous at all, A.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And B, fuck you, you, man.

Speaker 2 That's good. Isn't that hilarious?

Speaker 2 And he meant it, too.

Speaker 2 I was just like, ah, thank God we're not as famous. Thank God we're not so famous.

Speaker 3 Yeah. How about that, Jason? Because you can't really hide.
Can you,

Speaker 2 how is it you? You can't hide at all. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so how are you with that, with fan interaction and taking photos and things like that?

Speaker 2 I really, I, I, I'm really good when it's like set for that time. Yeah.
If it's like really, here's the hard thing. It's like when I'm, I mean, we're all human.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, I'm down, but if I'm with my kids, don't even, and it just people don't have really respect or they don't really think.

Speaker 3 It just makes the kids so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 But if I'm with my kids, I'm like, don't, yeah. But I'm like,

Speaker 2 if it, I'm like, you're never going to get, I can't take my attention away from these beautiful things that I barely get to see. Yeah.
So I'm like, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a very challenging thing to navigate, but at the same time, you don't have to say that. You don't have that time to do it.
Or if I'm not, if I'm by myself, I'm like, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 but the cool thing is is like i love it when it's kids because it's like minecraft like right now they're like they go it went from aquaman and then it went into like i'm garbage man now i know you guys probably haven't seen minecraft but minecraft i'm like the garbage man now and so it's it's fucking cute as shit so all these little kids are like garbage man i'm like yeah what's up so i'll take cute show to kids but when it's a grown-ass man yeah i'm like just just buy me a beer yeah right yeah yeah and try not to be weird about it just like let's just hang out like this i would imagine uh i would imagine the sequel to that is probably brewing right when do you when do you guys start oh dude we're right into it bro it's like

Speaker 2 i mean i'm into this motherfucker in march maybe look at you johnny franchise i love it oh tell me about it man i gotta get it fat fast and barking down the door hopefully chief goes again really i i yeah i moved everything to new zealand too i'm like new zealand and hawaii i'm building studios down there with cliff and taiko so we're trying to we're trying to no way yeah so i just want to be boom boom boom That's great.

Speaker 2 Have you ever been to New Zealand? I've never.

Speaker 2 When I was a little kid, I'd love to go back.

Speaker 3 Is that where home is?

Speaker 2 Home is now Montana in the States and

Speaker 2 New Zealand. So

Speaker 2 in Hawaii still, I have it. But it's like I'm basically trying to build studios between Hawaii and New Zealand.
That's amazing. That's amazing.
And shoot everything there.

Speaker 2 It's just, you get to a certain place where I'm like.

Speaker 2 I have the quality of life. Where do I want to be? Who do I want to be with? You know, I don't want to, like, it's still tax incentives.
And I'm like, this is where I want to be.

Speaker 2 And so like, if everyone can come down here, we made Minecraft in New Zealand. We made Chief of War down there.
I made Wrecking Crew, which is coming out.

Speaker 2 Like, I just made everything New Zealand, or it's going to go to Hawaii.

Speaker 1 That's great. What's your favorite thing to do with your...
I was going to ask you, what you work so much, it sounds like, like, what do you do in your downtime?

Speaker 1 But, like, obviously to spend time with family, what's your favorite thing to do with your kids or with family when you're not working?

Speaker 2 I mean, we rock climb. So it's like, I tell my kids how to rock climb their whole life.
So we rock climb and like that just keeps us in the outdoors.

Speaker 2 And rock climbing surfing or you're the real man jason riding shooters

Speaker 3 i really am you know i used to rock climb when i was a little kid but now my it hurts my hands too much as i get older

Speaker 2 you know it's just the rock there's nothing soft about a rock it's just scratchy it's scratchy because it's like i like my hands to be strong and tough i know i see you got a band-aid on the one finger and i'm like that would just i'd have to cancel the podcast if i had a band-aid on my finger you just you push right through it don't you

Speaker 2 and then music and then music man i started playing my kids my target was sing so i started playing music and they kind of moved me into bass because they both started doing everything else and i i just love playing music with them so

Speaker 2 it's like a family band well it's not a family band i started making uh i started i started doing i have a i have a vodka company so i uh it's called it's called halif relief uh it's called melee melee

Speaker 2 relief that's a relief i'm trying to look at the hat of trying to see it looks like no melee Melee. Chili.
Melee. Yeah.
So we have a vodka company in Montana.

Speaker 2 And so it's been nice to have these gatherings where you get together with everyone and we play music and we play our favorite songs.

Speaker 2 So we play Zeppelin and Sabbath and Chili Peppers and Prince and Zombie.

Speaker 3 All great for the bass.

Speaker 2 All those, all those, those groups have a John Paul Jones. Incredible.

Speaker 2 You've got a vodka company. You're building a studio between New Zealand and Hawaii.
You're directing movies. You're writing series and acting in series and acting in like franchises.

Speaker 1 And you seem so like chill about it.

Speaker 2 And you seem really happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like, yeah. I mean, what, what pisses you on? Like, you seem like you're unsure, whatever.

Speaker 2 Are we late? That's cool. I'll just.
I'm pretty pissed. I got to lose a bunch of weight that I'm getting ready for this role.
You know what I mean? Like, you know, that's not it. All right.

Speaker 2 But that's everyone's thing. Yeah.
I got to do a little extra. I got to take care of myself.

Speaker 3 How do you, what's your name?

Speaker 2 How is it going with you guys? Like, listen, I'm 46. You guys are.
It gets harder. You know, you said you're 55.
We got 10 years on you. You got 10 years on me.

Speaker 3 I'm like, what's your favorite way of dropping pounds?

Speaker 2 You know, I...

Speaker 3 No, not eating or exercise?

Speaker 2 So I don't exercise and

Speaker 2 I eat whatever I want.

Speaker 2 And I eat whatever I want. So, and I, and I drink.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 when I stop drinking and I eat smart and I exercise, I lose weight. Okay, gotcha.
Oh, yeah. Your body must go.
Generally, I just keep it like, I don't do it until I have to. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But my problem is like with all the things that you're taking off like oh you do this do this

Speaker 2 the thing that i don't do is i don't take care of myself well you will you will you still got time yeah yeah so you got time see like you got to go like a certain point where you can take care of your feather one one one kidney stone you'll change your life oh haven't had one yet yeah

Speaker 2 okay well thanks granddad

Speaker 2 i think

Speaker 2 but but how many people are listening right now going fucking it my mode doesn't even work out and he looks like no i'm gonna throw myself off there must have been a time there must have been a time time when you were a gym rat and you put on all that size on the

Speaker 2 no it's only when you it's only when i i was like you know i grew up skateboarding i was a skateboarder and rock climber so when i did conan they made me put all that they they made me train and learn all that stuff i mean you do it for roles sure and uh and you and that's what's great about acting they teach all these new things and so you know you learn that and then obviously for aquaman i had to train and you know you're with all these best trainers but i i don't want to live like that and i don't find like i so

Speaker 2 what I did is I would build rock climbing gyms in our training facilities because I don't want to do sit-ups and I don't want to, I would just rock climbing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, one of the greatest joys in the world is food. Yeah, but I would just rock climb to do more.

Speaker 2 To like kind of like the things that you love to do.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And yeah, you think you're in shape till you try a pull-up.

Speaker 2 And that's, that's what a lot of rock climbing is, right? It's just like, yeah, it's just, I just try, I just want to have fun doing things I like to do.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, like, I stay physical doing things I love to do. I just,

Speaker 2 like, I think I probably get hurt more lifting weights. If I do lift weights, it's very light now, or I do like kettlebells, which has really helped just for my legs.
But I do pretty light weight.

Speaker 3 You could avoid injury by just lifting chopsticks like Sean, you know,

Speaker 1 into sodium.

Speaker 2 I'm just thinking, here's, we got two guys who both don't work out and eat whatever they want. And one is Jason Momoa and one's Sean Hayes.
So

Speaker 3 I'd love to see

Speaker 3 just a speed-off shot side by side the two of you.

Speaker 2 It'd be so good. Although, Jamie, you were talking about you were lifting really light weights recently.
You were saying how hard it was. That lasted three days.
Did it really? It did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll get back at it, though.

Speaker 1 I've had a burger every day for the last three days.

Speaker 2 Really? You're great. Yeah.
That's great. Baby, do you work out?

Speaker 3 No, not really. I mean, I do cardio, but I don't lift weight.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, when you're directing, it's so hard. The hard thing for me is like, I'm such a,

Speaker 2 I come from such an artist mentality where it's like, it's really hard to balance the physicality when I'm like I'm giving everything to these things that you're doing. You're up too early too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and the thing is like I don't sleep much anyways, which is fine. It's just I don't if I if I if I burn out doing this to for just I just don't take care of myself.

Speaker 2 Stop doing whatever you're doing.

Speaker 3 Whatever you're doing. Just

Speaker 2 you're killing it. Just yeah, my favorite thing one time, MOA, you and I were in Vegas.
We were at for like Cinemacon or something.

Speaker 2 We were on a, remember we were on a shuttle bus and we were going, we were going back to the airport and he had like he had like a rucksack, like a roughly hewn rucksack and it was just filled with loose beers

Speaker 2 it was the bag

Speaker 2 it was the greatest i'm like he's got a bag with him and i was like oh it's a cooler um

Speaker 3 so smart i know

Speaker 2 so jealous uh all right what are you gonna do the rest of the day today jason you got you got the you got the evening i'm gonna go have dinner with my lady all right yeah i'm gonna go just have a nice romantic dinner with my lady who's your lady i should know should we adrea adrea arjona

Speaker 2 yeah she's doing a movie yeah she's she's uh she's doing a movie thomas crown affair right now okay so we're gonna go have a nice dinner and then i go back to budapest to go back to do yeah unbelievable i can't the kids are in the kids are in budapest so we're gonna be together and uh wolfie's working and my daughter lola's there so her friends are coming over and we're just uh celebrating because i get them in the summer so we're gonna go do fun stuff have my birthday here in a couple days so big party.

Speaker 3 Yeah, do you have plans for your birthday?

Speaker 2 I think I was going to stay at the house. Maybe get a DJ and just like eat.

Speaker 3 You're going to stay at the house with a DJ, a DJ at the house and just eat.

Speaker 2 Get Scotty. Scotty, I see.
Scotty.

Speaker 1 My husband DJs sometimes.

Speaker 2 Sure, he does. Send him over.
He's in London. He'll do the game.
Listen, we'll make a deal here.

Speaker 3 Mamoa, you're going to have to wait till what, 50 for the big one, right? I mean, I feel like that's that's when you get to our age, you got to wait for like 50, 60, 70, 80 for the big ones.

Speaker 2 You can't do it every year, right? Yeah. Yeah.
No, I just think being, I'm like,

Speaker 2 I'm with some really cool friends that I haven't seen in a long time.

Speaker 3 So how long is it? You haven't seen us for a long time.

Speaker 2 We get an invite.

Speaker 2 I would love for you guys. We like to party.
But it's Budapest. So it's like it's pretty far.

Speaker 2 We got mileage. Pretty far.
You're always invited. Listen, dude, continued success.
One of the all-time great dudes, and you deserve all of it. Honestly, I'm so happy for you.
And

Speaker 2 you look so great, and you seem so happy. And just continued.
I'm so psyched that you and your son get to do this. Just all of it is great.
You're a race.

Speaker 1 I'm a huge Dune fan. I can't wait for the Dune.

Speaker 2 Yeah, go get it. I can't wait for you guys to see this.
Chief of War, Apple TV on August 1st as well. I mean, just all of it.
All of it's so rich.

Speaker 3 Congratulations, buddy.

Speaker 2 Keep it up.

Speaker 2 Keep going. Thanks, Bamon.
All right, guys. All right.
Nice to see you. Good to see you.
See you, Pally. Bye, Pal.

Speaker 3 All right. Nice going.

Speaker 2 Big hug soon. Good to see you.
Hello. Bye, Pal.

Speaker 2 He slammed it. He's a slammer.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Nice going. Well, you know, I thought it might have been been Barack Obama.
I was pleasantly surprised it was Jason Momoa.

Speaker 2 You know, those are the two Hawaiians that you know. That's it.

Speaker 3 That and King Command Man, but he's gone.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, that was great. I never met him.

Speaker 2 Chris is great. Oh, he's such a warm, the warmest guy.
He's really fun. Yeah, just so cool down to earth.
Yeah. So, so good.

Speaker 1 I love that his pants came down at shit fuck. Is that what it's called? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Shit fucks.

Speaker 3 At shit fucks, he got taken from behind

Speaker 3 with his shorts down.

Speaker 2 just the net result of all that. That's what I perked up.

Speaker 2 We might want to revisit the transcript on that, JD. I don't know.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? And also, you want to fall on the wrong side of Momoa? I mean,

Speaker 3 but I truly thought shit fucks was in Chelsea. Is it not?

Speaker 1 I thought, but wait, you know what's great about him is like, I had no idea he was that prolific in this business.

Speaker 2 Like, I had no idea. He's a busy man.
Yeah. Wow.
He's just doing it all. Big, huge star.
Yeah. Turns out.

Speaker 3 Just a guy trying to mind his own business.

Speaker 2 And then you're like complaining about tech rehearsals. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Hey, yeah. When do you, when do you go?

Speaker 3 When do you go up, Shawnee? It's got to be close. Two days.

Speaker 2 Three days.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. I can't wait to see you.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. I don't normally have wearing my hair like this.

Speaker 3 Well, we're not talking about the hair right now.

Speaker 2 We're talking about the show.

Speaker 2 No, I know, but I'm not going to be in my mind. I'm out three days.
Yeah, yeah. JB, you're not going over, right, JB? We're going to go over and see him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I saw it. Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 3 i saw it in new york okay

Speaker 3 and plus i was just there in london staying with him okay walking the stairs liked it the first time

Speaker 2 i prefer the

Speaker 2 states

Speaker 2 i'm a fan of the other

Speaker 2 um yeah i know i'm excited you got so beleaguered the guy yeah go ahead No, I was just going to do a bye. Oh, no, we know.
We saw you look out the window.

Speaker 2 Well, no, I was thinking, I was like, you know,

Speaker 1 knew, I didn't know he was from Hawaii. I thought it was like, like, but you know, aloha not only means hello and in Hawaiian.

Speaker 2 Sure. What else does it mean? Hello.
What does it mean? You know,

Speaker 2 it means something like.

Speaker 2 Bye.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 It's goodbye.

Speaker 2 Aloha.

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