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Jason, you look, why do you look so clean cut today?

Yeah, you look really good.

Because I washed.

I'm fresh from the shower.

I'm glad we were a little delayed today because I was running a little behind.

And it occurred to me as I was racing through my

rituals there of

pre, during, and post-shower

that my loop has gotten

quicker.

I'm, you know, the sort of, how long does it take you guys from start to finish?

Like, oh shit, I got to get out the door.

I got to shower.

I got to get dressed.

I got to get out the door.

Are you like a 10-minute, five-minute, 15, or a half-hour?

I'm a five.

Yeah, it takes me a long, long time.

Doesn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah, because my.

What we're enjoying right now doesn't just happen.

What you're enjoying right now?

Yeah, it takes some work.

No, because my hair, it gets super, super, super poofy and big, and it takes forever to just do it so I can walk out the door.

And then, so how do you get it down?

How do you depoose?

I have to do it.

Is there a product?

Ideally, I have to let it air dry because if I blow dry it, it gets massive.

Yeah, and then

it's really humid over in the UK.

Yeah, it's super humid.

And I put water in it with the product, and then I spray it.

It takes a long time.

Oh, my God.

We should post on the website just your ritual just for people people who are looking to, you know.

And Willie, you just, you're just a five-minute

I'm a five-and-go.

Truly just five minutes.

Take ticket.

Get your clothes off, get wet, get dry, get dressed.

Yeah, I'm a quick, I'm a quick shower person.

I'm a really quick shower person.

Always have been.

Obviously, I had those moments where you have a longer shower, but I'm a really quick, I'm a kind of.

Well, let's stop there for a second.

What are those moments where you're taking a longer shower?

Is that when you're putting your hands on yourself?

No,

no,

no.

I'm not,

my shower is not my jack shack.

It's not?

No, that's a separate building.

I told you, that's a separate building out back.

Are we seeing you?

Are we seeing you in your jack shack right now?

You might be.

You might be.

It's a whisper booth slash jack shack?

No, it's shower time is long showers is usually like winter time and you're kind of chilled to the bone.

Well, what about you, Jay?

How fast can you do it?

I'm a 15-minute all-in.

I can be in the car.

Oh, really?

Well, yeah, yeah, that's from getting undressed, showered, redressed down the stairs.

Maybe I'm 15 is

because I do a lot of other stuff, you know, grab everything, do a little quick moisturize.

Yeah, that's another thing.

I've noticed my products, my products have increased as I've gotten older.

I've got creams and ointments and fucking

all kinds of shit.

This is you creamed.

Oh, I'm fully hydrated right now.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Check me out.

Okay.

Okay.

I mean, if you could smell me.

You do have like a, you've got a little bit of a cute boy haircut right now.

Yeah.

Hey, thanks, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, it looks good.

It does.

It's kind of okay.

Don't start acting boyish.

But after the podcast, if you've got some extra time, maybe.

Jesus.

Hey, Will.

Who's your fucking guest today?

You seem pretty chipper about this guest.

I'll bet it's somebody that's

not.

I like our guest.

I like our guest.

Your guest is not intimidating.

He's already making a lot of noise.

Yeah.

Jason,

you better mind your P's and Q's.

Really?

Why?

Because he'll reach through the screen and he'll grab you.

Is this a hockey player that could tune out?

No, he's not.

But he probably, if he'd grew up in Canada, he would have been.

But he didn't.

He grew up in Hawaii.

Oh, isn't that right?

Yeah.

And,

you know, he's done a lot of stuff that we love.

Barack Obama.

He's done a lot of free.

He's done a lot of.

It's not a terrible guest.

Did I get it?

Guest.

No, you didn't get it.

But

he's done a ton of movies.

This guy's been in like so many freaking huge movies.

I'm going to say, like, I'm going to try to do it so you can just bury it a little bit.

You know, things like, I'm not going to say the obvious ones.

Lego Part 2 movie was in, Minecraft movie.

You know him from Fall Guy.

You know him from Fast X, from the Fast series, but you also know him from the Aquaman movies and Zach Snyder's Justice League.

And he has a new show.

This is Jason Babe.

Let's just bring him out.

What?

Apple TV.

him out.

Where's Jason Babo?

Jason Babo.

Got it.

Wow, look.

Wow.

I can't swing these guys back me.

I can guess it.

What's up?

Look at this guy.

Jason, what is your,

what's your, babe, we got to go.

Come on.

Get dressed.

What's your, I got to get undressed, shower, and redress.

What's your out the door?

Do you do what Jason does?

You cream on your face?

Yeah, he creams on his face.

What's me in and out of the door?

How quick I got to go?

How quick

if you're dirty and you need to shower and get dressed to go out?

Yeah, 10, 15 minutes.

Easy.

Yeah, that's quick.

What about when the hair was super long?

Hits nuts, ass, and then fucking out the dough.

But the hair, what about when the hair was super long?

That's a beast.

My hair is super long.

It's just

up in a pony.

Yeah, it's just in the back, yeah.

I'm not cutting my hair again.

No.

Never again.

Never?

I don't want to.

Does it take like two hours to drive?

Is it about that?

To dry my hair?

Yeah, it must, right?

No.

You just take it outside.

Yeah.

When you get out and you just let it air dry, you probably look like an 80s rock-like heavy metal guy, right?

Just cool everywhere.

I mean, real men don't dry.

Let's be true.

Don't you have to, like, don't you, you got to condition that shit and you got to watch out for your split ends?

You have to put stuff in your hair.

I don't put shit in it, man.

You don't.

You walk around with a bunch of hair ties on your wrist?

I do.

I do.

You do, right?

I do.

Yeah, they do.

JB, you spend a lot of time worried about your split ends.

Is this something that could be?

Oh,

you know, when my hair was long for a second there, I was like, oh, shit,

this is a nightmare.

It's not fun.

Oh, it's easy.

Mamoa, do you really do you do all the stuff that Jason does too with the creams and the things and the products?

He's younger than I do.

He doesn't need to yet.

No, no, of course I put cream on my face.

My face, yeah, it feels dry, yeah.

Because, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of chlorine in the water.

Just when, you know, I'm in London right now and it's like everything is just basically, yeah, you're just like, yeah.

Cool, it's Sean.

So Sean?

Yeah, I definitely.

What part of time?

I'm just at the careful jade.

I'm at the Rosewood right now.

I was supposed to be in New York, but then the flight got canceled.

Oh, Will.

Here comes Will.

You know, I live in the Rosewood too.

Get him.

Get him, Will.

Everyone's getting along.

Come on.

First question, Arnett.

Let's go.

Listen.

Hey, F you, man.

You just

completely,

you know, hijacked him.

Wait, is that cold brew up Or is that or is that a lager?

This is Guinness.

This is Guinness.

That's Guinness.

That's Guinness.

Yeah, because it's what?

It's like 6 p.m.

Over there.

Go get it.

Yeah, it's 6 p.m.

Are you getting after it tonight?

What's going on tonight?

No, I'm going to spend the time with my lady.

She's in here doing a movie.

So

my intention was to be, I was supposed to do Fallon tonight.

So

I'm in Budapest right now.

Yeah, I'm in Budapest shooting Dune.

So I flew in, and then we got stuck in a storm, and then I couldn't get in.

And so I was supposed to do Fallon.

And, but I mean, I can do you guys for me.

Now we got stuck doing us.

Yeah.

No, I fucking, you guys are popping my chair, you guys.

You're the first podcast I've ever done.

No way.

You're the first podcast I've ever done.

I've never agreed to do these because I'm not going to get myself in trouble.

So please

don't get me in trouble.

Listen,

you know this, Jason.

The first time that we met was like at some event or something.

But you're one of those dudes where the first time we met, I felt like I knew you.

We freaked the fuck out, is what we did.

Yeah, we freaked out.

Yeah, you were outside smoking.

I was like, yeah, yes.

You grabbed me and wrapped me.

I was like, oh, same thing with Bateman, though.

Same thing.

It was with my auntie.

It was the same thing, man.

I've always known him forever.

So, wait, so you had to cancel on Fallon because of weather.

I wonder who Fallon calls.

Everyone's got like that call.

Like, I think, I forget who Kimmel said his call is when a guest drops out last minute, you've got somebody you can get on the blower to get, hey, can you drive down and do the the show tonight?

Cause, you know, they're live.

I wonder if you're not.

Yeah, well, I mean, it was a pre-tape, so I mean,

I've had, I've done it a few times.

Yeah, you've been, you've been,

I've, I've last-minute it for Kimmel before, and I've last minuted.

You are one of the great

back in the day when he was in New York.

That is, they'd call him, they'd be like, so-and-so, like, their flight got canceled, or they were sick, or whatever, and you come and make a jackass out of yourself.

No, you are one of the great all-time talk show guests.

Um, uh, Jay, Mama, how are you?

How do you like the talk shows?

I do.

I love, I, yeah, I, I mean, listen, I think this is probably way better to do because it's way more personal and you get time.

Well, this is just a conversation bullshit thing, but like you don't have to get out, you don't have to dress up and like you just show up, yeah, you got to have bits on those talk shows.

Yeah, it just depends on what you're supporting.

Like, right now, I'm doing like my dream project, like it's my brave heart or my dance with wolves.

So it's dude, I've worked my no, no, no, chief of war.

So the chief of show I have coming out is uh is 1790s Hawaii.

So I created it.

Oh, no way.

I wrote it.

No way.

Right.

I directed it at Act.

Come on.

Yeah, he did all of this.

August 1st on Apple TV.

Yeah.

So Tommy.

Did you direct all the episodes?

No, no, no.

I directed the finale.

I mean,

I couldn't do all of it.

But I mean, I created the show.

I co-created it and wrote it with my partner.

But it's been like my 10-year project that I did with Apple, and it's all like just right after the white man came.

So it's like, it's 1790s Hawaii.

Wow.

And it's all in Alelo, Hawaii.

So it's all in the language, which is, you know, very, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a pretty big deal.

Whole thing subtitled?

It's a subtitled.

But it does, it, it slowly gets into English.

Yeah.

But

it's my character, actually.

Like he leaves Hawaii and he goes out to the world and he comes back with all the weapons, but he basically gets to see the world and just see what's coming.

And then he unites.

It's about the unification of the Hawaiian Islands.

Sean, that's your approach when you're in the UK, right?

Just slowly get into English.

Okay,

so Jason, talk a little bit.

How did it start?

What was the genesis of this whole idea of doing this project?

I mean, it's just, it's never happened before, you know, these images.

My great-great-great-grandfather has never even seen anything like this.

So we've only had these in paintings or in museums.

So nothing has ever existed like this.

Yeah, I know nothing about it.

Yeah, so it's just like wanting to make something about King Kamehameha and just like our people and all the different things that were happening.

But I needed something that would encompass a lot of things that were going on.

It's like telling Abraham Lincoln's story and you're like, that's why Spielberg did Gettysburg.

You know, just

the little moments of his life, but it's like, how do I encompass this whole area of Hawaii?

And this character like helped me do that.

How was, what, what was it, what was the, was the, this, the, the settlement, the settling of Hawaii, like when the white man came over, was it, was it a, uh, uh, was it like a war was it contentious was it smooth was it well i mean i think when i think when cook first came they were you know kind of blown away and what happened is i think um

you know he he left uh they they they kind of snuck onto the ship and maybe took a couple things and then they executed one of them i think yeah and uh that pissed everybody off and so they left and when they got stuck in a storm they came back and that's when all hell broke loose and so that's when cook died on the big island wait

again yeah so captain when captain cook died in hawaii oh so um but this is after cook so um

but it's it's it's uh it's just a really beautiful story it's it's very much like an uh arthurian kind of you know the the guinevere uh sir lancelot king arthur story between

you have this love story at the same time you have us a character that leaves hawaii he goes to china he goes to the philippines he goes to alaska and he comes back and that's what he brings back all the weapons and he sees the outside world and he sees what's coming yeah and you go see what's happening uh in Hawaii at the time so it's it's a very huge huge show yeah

dude it's so cool that's really as a guy who's coming out on my birthday yeah

August 1st oh wait happy birthday

wait so so going to do that and coming being being you know

being Hawaiian and and coming home and doing this story that obviously means a lot to you was it uh I imagine there must have been a bunch of moments you had where it was like almost spiritual or you just like felt like the fact that you got to do this and tell this story must have been pretty rad.

I mean, I don't think there's anything bigger that I'll do because I mean, it's not like I'm playing a superhero or something like that.

I'm playing my ancestors.

I'm actually like,

you know, was there pressure in that?

Did you feel like

I'm putting on, I'm putting on outfits that you're not even allowed to, I mean, they're just in museums.

So the things that we're wearing, I wouldn't even be allowed to wear.

You know what I I mean?

Like, so it's

even extras were wearing it.

So it was a huge thing.

And at the same time, it's like,

you know, the movies we had were from like Aotearoa.

They're from New Zealand, like Once We're Warriors or like Whale Rider.

Like there's all these Polynesian stories, but there hasn't been something from Hawaii.

So it really kind of united Polynesia because there's not really, everyone comes to Hawaii.

They make movies there, but they don't make Hawaiian movies.

They don't make movies about us.

Movies about us.

So, you know, we're a part of America.

We just, no one really knows our story and so i feel like

this this thing is something that's never happened before and at the same time we knew we didn't really have the resources and so it's really united polynesia because we got tongan samon fijian uh tahitian maori all these different cultures helping us tell this story

uh so it's been really wonderful um how how old were you when you

how long did you grow up before you left?

My parents got divorced when I was six months old.

So it was pretty shitty.

I left at a very young age, but I was raised in Iowa, which is really what most people wouldn't think is great.

I think it's really great.

I grew up in the Midwest, which is,

if you grew up in the Midwest, you kind of know that it's a pretty spectacular place.

You grow up with like, I agree.

I mean, my work ethic, family values, like it just, it's a very strong place.

Having said that, I grew up where Bridges and Madison County was made.

So I grew up with

literally not a race.

So I'd go from literally a small country town to going to like kind of the reservation of the Hawaiian side.

Basically where I'm from is all local side.

And it's

not really being accepted there or being accepted there.

So it was a bit of a

bit of like trying to figure that out.

But I would spend my summers with my father and, you know, and then I would, you know, go to school with my mother.

So you were born in Hawaii, then went to Iowa, then went back to Hawaii?

Yeah, so when I was in college, I went out to Colorado, and that's where I was going.

And then I kind of, my family, i come from one of the biggest surf families in in in hawaii my great uncle's like buffalo kiaolana i come from a long list of amazing watermen so i kind of went over there to like really sink in with my family get to know my father better

and i was 19 and then a tv show came and i ended up i was just folding t-shirts at the family surf shop and then i ended up getting the lead role in this really horrible show that just fucking killed me right i found acting you found acting but you know what i'm talking about baby.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

So you're working in a surf shop.

There's all the fucking holes we got to dig ourselves out.

That's right.

Were you,

what were you doing?

So in Hawaii, so you're working at the family surf shop.

Were you surfing?

How did you, did you get on a board?

I was throwing in big waves.

Like this movie came out called In God's Hands.

And my cousin, Brian Kiolana, he was the one who was towing in with Laird and all this stuff.

And so I was like, what am I doing?

I can go.

Surf these big waves with my family.

So I took the summer off and I went over there.

And then the moment I was supposed to to go back to school, I got the lead role.

So I was just like,

wait, wait, wait.

On the surfing part,

have you been towed into waves?

Like, do you surf?

Come on.

I towed in like a 20-foot wave with Alan McCool.

Unbelievable.

Jesus.

This is a real man, you guys.

I mean, come on.

Let's tie it up.

You're actually around and lairds.

You got once towed to the service stage, to the BMW stage, didn't you?

They towed you.

Yeah, well, actually, it was only on a flatbed.

My car, because of the front fairing, you couldn't tow it, so you got to put it up on a flatbed.

But I did ride up front with the guy.

Yeah.

No way up front with the guy.

Up front with the guy.

Wait, Mama, tell me, wait, you almost drowned for real?

Yeah.

I was doing this paddle.

We went in at Jaws.

Oh, my God.

Jaws now.

It's a real deal.

And we did like a 14, maybe it was like a 13-mile paddle with from, I was with Dave Kalama, my friend Joe Flanagan, and

Larry Hamilton.

We paddled like 13 miles down the coast, and you're kind of almost a mile offshore.

And then my leash snapped.

And I was about, and I was, we're about seven miles into it, and my leash snapped.

And

it's so windy on Maui.

And so the board just went, I couldn't even see it anymore.

Yeah, Sean, you were going to say your leash snapped one too, but it was cool because you didn't have to pay the guy, right?

Because it's like,

you snap it that hard on me, it's going to break.

I told you.

I know.

And you know what?

I did free.

Don't yank on it so hard.

It'll fucking break.

And then we ended up getting married 20 years later.

Hey, listen, Jason.

And we will be right back.

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Me?

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You got like night sweats or whatever.

Yeah.

You did.

Okay, I knew somebody out there did.

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Wait, so tell me, when you're in that position of almost drowning, what is your brain like so scary?

So you know what's happening.

Do you have a protocol of what to do in that moment?

Are you even thinking clearly enough to know how to save yourself?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, I was trained pretty well, so I it was fine.

So I was just, I took quite a few on the head.

They're pretty big.

It was like 10 foot, 10 foot Hawaiian waves, but unbelievable.

You were, I'm literally probably a half mile at that point off shore.

And it was just, I was, it's actually this place is called shit fucks.

And it's literally because there's all this water that pulls out.

And it's just

on Thursdays.

And it just, it's just, it just, it pulls you out and you just get hit with these waves.

So I was stuck in this crazy spot, which is probably the outer reef.

And unknown to me,

I was really on the outer reef.

And

they couldn't see me.

And I had my paddle and I was waving it.

And they couldn't see me.

And the waves were so big, it basically took my shorts off.

It was so fucking big.

Hang on.

I reached down, put my shorts back on.

Shorts off?

It's shit fucks.

I'm pretty sure that's it.

That's in the village.

I looked in.

Shorts were off.

It's shit fucks.

I looked in.

I looked in, and I was just like,

my daughter at that time was three months old.

And I was, I just, I lost.

I was like, oh, shit.

I couldn't.

And who said how did you get out of there?

Yeah.

Well, what ended up happening, I was out there for a while, and then I just couldn't see anyone coming to get me, and I couldn't move anymore.

And my arms and my legs gave up after, you know, I was out there for a while.

But Laird had to go in

and then go all the way around me and paddle up behind me.

So like it's a coastal paddle, so it goes with the trade wind.

So you're going down the coast.

And then

he came from behind, and I had already given up.

My body stopped, like I couldn't move my arms anymore.

And I bubbled down.

And then my, my toe hit the outer reef.

Like, I literally gave up and I'm screaming inside.

And my foot just hits the outer reef.

And I don't know if it was a fucking whale or like just could be one rock, but I just reached down, grab it, I jump up, I get hit by another wave, and I dig my feet into the coral, and I'm literally in the middle of the ocean.

And I'm just, I could barely put my lips above just to breathe and get a break, but I had already given up.

So it's like, you've already given up and died and have a second chance at it.

And then I still stayed out there for like 10 minutes.

I'm just hanging on the side of this reef.

And

then I hear Laird come from behind and he's on my board towing his board.

And I get on and he's like, you're right.

And I'm like, no.

And I get back on the board.

And we start paddling.

He's like, you got to go out, out.

And so we just keep paddling out.

And I just keep trying to go over every wave.

I lose the board.

He loses the board.

It's just a shit fucking it is brutal getting out of this spot.

And so we end up getting out really far on the like pretty much on the shelf of Maui and I have seven more miles to paddle.

My feet are covered in blood and I'm just literally like with my ancestors just paddling the rest of this way head down

and

we get out and I mean I could have been trolling there's gonna be sharks everywhere but I'm just like trolling this whole fucking coast

blood

blood you're dropping too.

And we get in and that's i i used to smoke and i used to smoke like two three packs a day i'd i'd run pouch i couldn't stop from my kids couldn't stop from my my ex i couldn't i couldn't stop smoking and uh the moment i came out i never smoked again like i just just died i just died like i tried and tried but like i couldn't do it again because i just i gave up like i i gave up my life do you remember the moment you felt that you were saved that you that he actually that you actually got through it do you remember that moment i remember seeing him but i was like uh but you know i was 10 minutes dead already you know, that would have been 10 minutes.

Had there not been the outer reef, like, had there not been some, you know, and I do believe my ancestors, I do believe my, you know, I prayed to my grandmother, my grandfather.

I mean, I was, I was, I was reaching and

I was in a bad position.

And

you're stuck out there in that kind of waves with no board.

You're fucked.

And there's no way you should swim in.

It's just not.

I don't have that.

So it was a bad spot to be in.

But I imagine that gives you like a,

it's a pretty sharp contrast and gives you some perspective to

like you said, you quit smoking and that going forward from that moment, you're like,

all right, I've been through some shit and everything else is kind of gravy.

Did you have a little bit of that?

You know, I did a little harder run.

I think, you know, I have qualities that are good, I don't know.

I was pretty hard on myself that night.

I did a lot of stupid shit and I just really was like.

pissed at myself for the position I was in and probably tortured myself even more for the stupid shit that I did.

Wow.

So I don't know.

It was a bit of a hard learning curve, but I feel like I've always had that, where it's just like

my learning curves are pretty hard on me.

So

you know, I was, I was,

I was thinking about that the other day about

how, you know, I find myself in a completely different

life than I was having in my in my 20s.

I mean, as everyone does, you sort of you go through these stages.

And

how, how are you,

how are you finding your life now as a fully functioning

professional that's able to write and direct and produce and star and

take all these sort of adult meetings and all this kind of shit that it doesn't sound like you were doing at all

in your earlier sexual life,

like me too, just being a

dickhead?

I think if you have, yeah, I think there's a potential that you have that needs to come out.

And I just, until I met the people that actually like, until I met my partners, until I met the people that actually made me get those things out, I was just bashing myself with addiction and drugs and like just

another level of like things that you're just burning.

Yeah.

You're just

to get it out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's so much.

Because now's not a good time to do it.

So it like, it sounds like we were doing that stuff at a time when you were supposed to, but you do that really well, such that you can now do this really well.

And are you, are you enjoying that?

and do you have that kind of clarity and perspective like that was a version of jason momoa and now this is a version of jason and they're both they're both me and and i'm just going through it 100 yeah i mean they're great they're great uh all the things that we did when we were younger i'm glad i you know it wasn't handed out it was a very hard road to get where i'm at so yeah having said i've been you know i've been directing for the last almost 12 years now i like that process i love producing i love not being just an actor i love being able to,

if someone's going to judge me on something, like I took this choice, I made all these choices instead of just being an actor.

It's nice just to go to the trailer and be an actor, but I also love, I mean, this is just the way my brain works.

I want to have 100 things going on.

And I just love working.

I love.

I just love being responsible for those things.

Well, you also appreciate it because of all the things, Jason, like you were just saying.

And I think I'm finding, I'm going through it right now at this age.

I'm 55.

Sorry, I was waiting for you guys to go.

No way.

Oh, yeah.

Sorry.

It really is.

I was late.

There's a delay.

And

I've just recently, truly, the last, I don't know, almost a couple of weeks, I finally had this moment where I was like, I feel this kind of shift happening and this sort of cloud lifting and this thing happening in my life where I feel like I'm okay.

I'm cool with who I am today.

And it took me going through a lot of different shit.

And it's different from any other period of my life.

It's really, it's really rad and really profound.

It's one of the gifts of getting older, right?

Right.

Yeah.

You start to care a little less about what other people perceive you as and the artifice and the efforts you make to sort of convince those that you might be X, Y, or Z.

And it's like, no, I'm just A, B, or C.

You know, like this is just me.

And if you see it, great.

If you don't, that's okay too.

It's more most important is that number one understands who number one is and that I'm okay with that.

There's only one of me, and I hope you guys dig it.

If you don't, there's other people to talk to.

A little bit.

Yeah, totally.

I think there's truth in that.

Wait, so Mamo, you're talking about

you did this shitty show, but like

your first, I guess that was your first acting gig, right?

The thing you were talking about that you did in Hawaii?

Yeah, well, you know, what's kind of cool about it?

I mean, like, listen, I fell in love with acting because I was a biology major.

I was a science major, and that's that's what I wanted to do and so I um

you know Bay Watch White came and whatever I was 19 years old you got to make a hundred dollars being a extra and I was folding t-shirts for 16 and you got to meet a bunch of hot chicks and I was 19 years old and like yeah I'm gonna go on perfect yeah

so it was like 1300 people showed up down there and we went in and I ended up you know

ended up getting the lead role.

I was supposed to go back to college and my mom's like, what are you doing?

I'm like, I don't want to be watch why.

And she's like, what?

And so, I mean, like, it just,

you know, I didn't know what to call the thing about it.

And, but I fell in love with acting.

I basically watched tons of movies.

And every movie I'd watch, I'd just play that character the next day.

You know, if I watched Seth Ellman, I was Gary Oldman that day.

If I watched Fight Club, I was fucking Tyler Gurden in that episode.

And so, I mean, I literally just, it was practice and doing all that.

And I just

didn't give a shit.

And I, I, I,

but I fell in love with it.

And having said that,

every grip and like from catering to

the grip, makeup, everyone, they're on my show.

You know, I'm 40, 70, 46 on August 1st, and they're all did Chief of War with me.

Wow.

And I'm coming home telling our people's movie.

And, you know, I've dug myself out of massive, massive holes.

Like,

you know, I learned my, I went through college doing, you know, Stargate in Atlantis and hiding in Canada and making a sci-fi show.

But I learned how to do everything.

I was like, listen, I'm going to shoot this myself.

So I started, at that point, I could write, direct, do all the stuff on my own.

Cause I was like 22 episodes, nine months of my life.

You know, it's just like banging out stuff.

And you're like, no, that was my college.

And then I had an accident and took some time off.

But I, you know, got married, had some kids.

And then Game of Thrones came out.

And then no one knew what the fuck to do with that guy.

Right.

And you're kind of stuck in that jail of like until you get to the fourth season of it.

And I was like, while we did Game of Thrones, I did, I wrote.

you know, co-wrote my first movie and I did Road to Paloma and I was just like, fuck this.

And I made Pride of Gypsies, which is a bunch of actors, a group of friends, and we just made movies together.

And, you know, some of us were holding, we'd all hold the boom.

We'd all do this.

We'd all shoot.

And so we all came from that thing where it's just, we did the work, we edited it, we shot it.

And that's how we kind of built,

you know, I'm not going to wait for anything.

So we just kind of went about it that way.

Cause I was like, no one's going to give me this shit.

You got to go.

You got to go get it.

So we wrote all our own stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's cool.

You know, I remember seeing you in Game of Thrones and I was like,

just your, the character and the size of you.

I was just like, my God, this guy's such an incredibly, you know, fit human being and the size of you.

I was like, and then

because your entrance, you're like, oh my God, who's this guy?

And then you start acting.

You're like, oh, wow, he's like a brilliant actor.

And you have presence.

He has such, you have such

presence apart from your physical, you just have presence as a person

that's really magnetic.

And I wonder, right?

Sean?

Yeah, I was just so surprised that like that.

I know what you mean by what do we do with this guy?

But I was like, well, he's a great actor.

That's what you do with him.

You just plug him into any role.

Was Game of Thrones, was that the first,

was that a turning point?

It must have been.

That was a turning point where we got to respect.

But

it didn't, like, because he didn't say much.

And even though I played like a really good character, played it and did my job well.

But it was,

I mean, it's a thing where it's like,

I'm a huge snl fan like i love comedy i just want to do comedy that was the thing i grew up with snl it's all i wanted to do yeah yeah

and and you hosted no quite no one no one knows me that way so i didn't know they just you know

and they just use me as action or i don't say much and so it's it's very weird thing to kind of live in that action and you're you're this and that because my mom my mom and my dad are both painters right my mom you know i was raised watching rear window and like gone with the wind and street car name desire i was raised with a single mother that worked four jobs in iowa so it's it's like i i didn't grow up even like grew up into this body i'm like i'm a total art like an art nerd and i grew up in a different way and you're just kind of like uh

this isn't really me this is more me right it's difficult it's like you've you're this you're this huge presence you've you're you're you're in this you're in this this big beautiful god frame you're you're a very good-looking man too and inside of that is somebody who not only wants to do comedy but can also do very subtle nuanced nuanced dramatic acting as well.

And so how do you like, you know, you obviously have to account for how you come across.

And so they can only put you in those types of characters.

And those characters aren't historically super funny or super sensitive, you know?

So it's like, I just, I mean, until you get to know me, and like, I think we've had a little bit of time with each other.

So, but it's like, I just.

You know, it's my first time doing a comedy doing doing Minecraft finally with Jack Black.

And I'm like, Jesus Christ, finally.

And like, Or just getting into SNL.

Like, that's all that matters to me.

It's like, just all I want to do is.

You killed it on SNL back then.

So funny.

Yeah.

Now you've got the juice where I'm sure you can go to your team and say, hey, so I'd like to do parts like X, Y, or Z.

Can you go out there and see?

Or create.

By the way, I mean, like you create.

While you're busy doing your job, they can do theirs trying to bring you options in those areas because you've got the juice to where like a part is written not for a guy with your physical type, but it you've got enough juice now where they can actually change what that actor might be, what that character might look like without changing any of the dialogue.

You know?

Yeah.

Yeah, you should tell me.

Yes, he agrees with you.

But yes, they can search it out.

But I wonder, do you have like,

because you mentioned Rhodes of Plum and the movie that you wrote and directed, which,

by the way, when you first started directing, and this is a Jason question, did you love that shift to directing?

I love it.

I mean, I don't want to actually be in front.

I'd rather be behind the camera.

Like, I love every.

You're like JB.

JB's the same.

Yeah.

I mean, like, that's, that's where it's.

I mean, there's top and bottom jokes there.

Um, you say you don't want to be in front, you want to be in the, but I don't, I don't have it fully written right now, but just come back to me on that.

Check your text, check more text.

Check in the text.

I mean, you love being behind the camera, right?

Oh, God.

Yeah, I would, I'd stay back there and never, never act again.

Although I do like acting and I also acting in something that I'm directing, I really, I really love just because, as you said, I love being overwhelmed with the amount of work and responsibility as opposed to just hiding in the trailer.

You know, like I'm a glutton for that stuff.

So you dropping in like I'm smoking aces and shit like that.

That's just hilarious.

Like you gotta, like, that stuff is like, you know, when you have little roles that come in, you're like, oh, I want to support this and come in and do something.

Yeah, I love that stuff.

Of course, I love if I can add and get the budget up, whatever they need to do, but yeah, but I'd rather not have all the

I don't need to be the lead of this, I'd rather make my movies and exactly.

I like them small, and they

don't want to direct like a massive.

This is probably the biggest it'll ever be.

Like, when I directed Chief of War, I directed four or five units.

The finale is on the lava field, dude.

Here's a crazy story: so you might have asked this earlier, Will, like a crazy story about Chief of War.

When we first wrote it, the whole finale is about these

two cousins fighting over the big island, and the volcano goes off in history, and it's literally snowing ash and the volcano is coming down.

And the volcano, it's kind of like, let's just say it's 50,000 versus 10,000.

And the volcano comes down and wipes out the persons who lives in that territory.

And that's how Kamehameha won in history.

So when we wrote this, I literally saw on the calendar in the production meeting, I go, boom, volcano is going going to go off.

And everyone's laughing at me like, no, no, no, it's not going to go off.

We cut to, we're there the night before, we're driving between Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea.

And I tell my partner, I'm like, bro, it's going to go off.

I know it.

And about four hours later, production calls, Mauna Loa goes off, which is probably 10 plus years since it went off.

Wow.

Mauna Loa goes off.

We obviously break because we don't, no one's worked during a volcano.

So we're checking, you know,

air quality and all those kind of things.

And they're like, yeah, we're good to go.

So, the next day we go, Kilauea goes off.

That's the first time in human written history that both volcanoes went off.

I go and I shoot eight days.

I wanted to shoot the fight, so it was like we're in the daytime and it goes into night.

I want to see the night, I want to shift into blue light, I want to, I want to go through the sunset, I want to go into blue light.

So, I had to shoot the whole fight in reverse.

So, we show up at four o'clock in the morning, you're ushering in 300 extras, 100 something.

You're massive fucking battle, dude.

Yeah.

On lava fields.

So anyone falls, gets hurts.

Where do you put the power to potties?

How do you hide this?

I mean, just all the schematics of like, how do you shoot this massive epic piece in the area where it happened?

Yeah.

So we shoot it there.

I got about four to five units I'm directing at the same time where I built it where I can shoot simultaneously so they can be used as extras in the background as I'm shooting this one, as I'm shooting that.

So I kind of designed the whole fucking thing where i can and dadie's just like what what what and i'm sitting in the production meeting and i have it all balanced out and uh

yeah dude the fucking volcanoes this thing went off on the eighth day we end

and the volcano stops

the day we end both volcanoes end that's fun so were you getting the the sort of the production value of those volcanoes going off we sent some people up to go shoot some stuff yeah but did you have ash coming down or we shot yeah no no we didn't have ash coming down in our scene otherwise we wouldn't have been working because I would have had

pretty bad for our health.

But we had Ash and all that stuff coming down.

So it's a huge, massive scene where we shot it in reverse.

So that way I can shoot all our key characters in the same light.

But it's all, yeah, it's completely in reverse.

Wow.

It was meant to be.

This is a massive feat.

So the finale is like, that's my, that was like, I'm shooting the finale.

And everyone's like, there's no way we'll pull this off.

I'm like, I can't wait to see this.

I've seen some of the posters around town.

It looks awesome.

And it's all in our language.

It's all in a Lelo Hawaii.

So you're like, you're going to be like, it's such a beautiful language.

It's the most beautiful language.

It's so red.

I mean, you're going to love it.

Yeah, I can't wait to see it.

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You were talking about shooting that's pretty rad, that scene

on the lava field and shooting that and you've you've done a lot of kind of big epic scenes like that you've acted in a lot of them was anybody like Aquaman like didn't you have like underwater fight scenes basically oh yeah yeah like how'd you pull all that kind of stuff what was that process like lots of stunt man I don't want

it's brutal man it's brutal it's it's uh that's us hard i mean fighting in a suit that putting that suit on i mean i would the best superhero in the world is lego batman Come on.

Come on.

Black.

Dude, my son.

You're the best Batman.

You're the greatest Batman in the world.

The greatest.

Well.

I mean, you're the fucking best in the world, bro.

Come on, Will.

You are a Batman.

Thanks.

Tell me more.

Black.

That's a good impression.

And sometimes very, very dark gray.

Listen, that's very kind of you, but I mean, you've, you know, you fucking, you're Aquaman, dude.

And you had,

you had to do,

you know, wear all the, put all that shit on.

Do you like having to do that stuff?

Like, put all the fucking suit on.

No, I don't.

No.

But you do it.

Yeah.

The tattoos.

It's all hard, bro.

Sorry.

It's all hard.

But then you go and do stuff.

But in the same time, you do like, like, the, like, Dune, like going to working with Denis.

I mean, it must be.

Dennis amazing.

I love those movies.

I love those movies.

Did you guys hear what happened right now?

No.

No.

No.

Check this story story out.

So

I'm in Japan with my, my son's dream is to go to Japan.

So his 16th birthday, we go, we're with the whole family and I'm with him and I'm like, gosh, he's trained martial arts his whole life.

He always wants to act.

I'm like, you're never acting.

There's no way I'm not letting you act.

He does like school plays in Topanga, right?

That's it.

That's the extension of like his acting skills.

Yeah, yeah.

You know,

but I'm just like, I don't want my kid, child acting.

I don't want you in this business, blah, blah blah you know obviously the mother's been through it like no you're not you're not you're not looking at baby yeah it's just like

tale sure um but he grew up with his dad being this thing he he just loves it but he loves martial arts so cut to i'm like he's 16 i really want it's time for my son to be with me and travel um and maybe he can do school abroad so i asked the mother and we're like yeah wolfie can come with me i would like him to come to dune because if he wants to really wants to learn acting i'm like we're going to be with Chalamet, we're going to be at Denis, we're going to be with Jendaya.

He should be watching his father.

Like, day in, day out, I want his work ethic to be like mine of the Midwest.

I want him to see how hard it is getting up at this time, doing this.

Like, it's, it's, it's, it's hard, you know what I mean?

It's not digging ditches, but it's fucking hard.

And when you have to do something over and over, and if you're doing a fight scene all day long, like, no, you go 10 rounds, 12 rounds, but like, this is all day and you're in a suit that weighs 40 pounds and you're sweating.

Like, it's brutal.

Yeah.

And so I want him to like understand the business.

So he's begging me to learn all this stuff.

So all right, fine.

Well, let's send Uncle Kale.

Kale did my, I did Minecraft with, I did Dune with.

He's a producer.

I'm sure you guys know him.

And so Kale Boyder.

Yeah, Kale Boyder.

And it's just like, he's a dear friend.

I was like, listen, we'll send him a stunt, you know?

So we tape something for Wolf.

We send it in.

And Kale's like, what the fuck, dude?

Your son does, because he's been doing it his whole life.

And he's like, wow, he does this.

I'm like, yeah, he's

pretty good at it.

Do you think we can give him like a Fremen role and he can do some fight scenes and I and let him be on set?

And he goes, dude, we're casting for the kids for Chalames and Deus.

Basically, like, I guess it's like Skywalker and

Leia.

It's Children of Dune.

So it's the two kids.

And I was like, all right, well, he does, does he act?

I'm like,

you know, it's...

you know, it's community theater.

And

anyways,

they send it.

I'm in New Zealand.

The mother's with him.

He does the scene.

yeah you know we and then i i we don't want i don't want to coach him at all i don't i don't know how to teach acting i don't have a fucking style it's just through sucking

you know it's through sucking that i sucking a little less each year yes every time like i've had 27 years of sucking that i figured it out so i'm like i don't really have a style

so i'm not gonna i don't know how to teach it so uh my dear friend cliff curtis who i looked up to and he was in the in the show with me i was like can you talk to my son a little bit about acting and so he talks to him a little bit hey wolf does the scene we tape it we send it in and they fucking love it and i'm like holy shit uh he's like we want him to come to to london and test oh my gosh like dude what and i have to fly from new zealand to london and my son goes into a room with denny villeneuve and he has to test with five girls and it's three and a half hours long.

I'm so fucking stressed out.

Yeah.

And like way more stressed than you would be for yourself.

I mean, bro, like,

like, I'm fine.

No, I'm freaking out because my son is just wild.

He is so wild and amazing.

But he just, I guess he was beautiful.

Like, you know, Mary Perrin was texting me.

He's like, he's killing.

He's doing great.

But he had to do like a really hard scene that even if I had to do that scene, there's no way I could pull that off.

And to do that for the first time, and this this kid killed it.

And he did it on his own.

I didn't help him at all.

How about that?

And I'm doing fucking Dune with my son right now.

That's amazing.

I didn't know that.

I literally just, we, we just

premiere, bro, the premiere of, of Chief of War, we flew to Hawaii.

We did the premiere, I think, on the 18th.

We got on a plane that night.

We landed on the 19th.

My daughter's 18th was the 20th.

We flew out the 21st.

We landed in Budapest on the 22nd.

He went to work on the 23rd.

Jesus.

Wow.

His first goddamn scene.

And I'm sitting there shooting my pants, going like he's with Zendaya.

I'm like, he's in it.

And I'm like, my baby,

16 years old.

And he just killed it.

I'm just crying.

I was a fucking wreck.

I was so proud of him.

And did he ever go?

Did he go, Dad, you were right?

Did he say, you're right?

This is really fucking hard.

He's like, it's so hard.

He's so hard.

He's just like, Papa, I have so much respect for you now.

And he understands every person that works with me now.

It's going like, yeah, I need help.

I need help.

These are the the people that help you don't have any scenes with them do you i don't this but in the in the future but i'm like i'm just there and i'm watching them and and you know denny who i love and dearly and he's just like he's he's just he loves wolf and he's just doing a great job and so i'm like it's the craziest feeling how incredible yeah and i'm like god damn it dude i just didn't want him to do it but he's i'm not gonna lie to you like he's so good

i'm not surprised look at his parents i'm not surprised either and i also think like you want your kids to just be better than you.

And I'm like, this motherfucker is going to be like, he's going to blow me away.

Nice.

He's so goddamn present.

Two things I want to say.

One is you've paved the way because you're a great dude.

And it's no surprise to me that he's great because you're great.

And it's no surprise to me that you deserve it in this time.

Think about the year you've had that you're doing.

You've got chief of war, this thing that is really personal to you and about your family.

And now you have your immediate family and your son coming and working with you.

What an incredible feeling you must have in your heart this year about where you're at.

Just in that, just think about that.

It's pretty radical.

I start August 1st and this comes out.

So I start Dune on August 1st.

I went and watched my son

on the day.

You put in a lot of hard work.

I'll tell you, you know what, Jason?

I'll tell you something that my son said to me recently, my son Abel.

A friend of ours, whom we all know, had something happen in their life, and it was public and, you know, it was like sort of shocking.

So my son Abel comes to me and and he says uh hey i heard about that thing is so-and-so okay and i said yeah yeah they're fine it all worked out fine he goes you know i was just thinking man thank god we're not as famous as them because you know yeah

it's worked out and i go first of all you're not famous at all a yeah and b fuck you man

isn't that hilarious man and he meant it too i was just like ah thank god we're not as famous thank god we're not so famous yeah how how about that jason because you can't really hide uh can you

how is it you can't hide at all yeah and so how are you with that with fan interaction and taking photos and things like that i really i i i'm really good when it's like set for that time yeah if it's like really here's the hard thing it's like when i'm i mean we're all human so i'm like i'm down but if i'm with my kids don't even and it just people don't have really respect or they don't really think it just makes the kids so uncomfortable but if if i'm with my kids i'm like don't yeah but i'm like

if it i'm like you're never gonna get i can't take my attention away from these yeah beautiful things that i'm barely gonna see yeah so i'm like yeah yeah it's a very challenging uh thing to navigate but at the same time you don't want to say

time to do it or if i'm not if i'm by myself i'm like yeah hell yeah but the cool thing is is like I love it when it's kids because it's like Minecraft.

Like right now, they're like,

it went from Aquaman and then it went into like, I'm garbage man now.

I know you guys probably haven't seen Minecraft, but Minecraft, I'm like the garbage man now.

And so it's, it's fucking cute as shit.

So all these little kids are like, garbage man.

And I'm like, yeah, what's up?

So I'd say cute show to the kids, but when it's a grown-ass man,

I'm like, just, just buy me a beer.

Yeah, really?

And try not to be weird about it.

Just like, let's just hang out.

Like, I would imagine, uh, I would imagine the sequel to that is probably brewing, right?

When do you guys start?

Oh, dude, we're right into it.

It's like,

I mean, I'm into this motherfucker in March, maybe.

Look at you johnny franchise i love it i know tell me about it man i gotta get it fast and barking down the door hopefully chief goes again really i i yeah i moved everything to new zealand too i'm like new zealand and hawaii i'm building studios down there with cliff and tices so we're trying to we're trying to no way yeah so i just want to be boom boom boom that's great have you ever been to new zealand I've never

when I was a little kid, I'd love to go back.

Are you, is that where home is?

Home is now Montana in the States and

New Zealand so

in Hawaii still I have it but it's like I'm basically trying to build studios between Hawaii and New Zealand that's amazing

and shoot everything there it's just you get to a certain place where I'm like I have the quality of life where do I want to be who do I want to be with you know I don't want to like it it's still tax incentives and I'm like this is where I want to be and so like everyone can come down here we made Minecraft in New Zealand we made chief of war down there I made wrecking crew which is coming out like I just made everything New Zealand or it's going to go to Hawaii That's great.

What's your favorite thing to do with your?

I was going to ask you, you work so much, it sounds like, like, what do you do in your downtown?

But, like, obviously, to spend time with family, what's your favorite thing to do with your kids or with family when you're not working?

I mean, we rock climb.

So it's like, I tell my kids how to rock climb their whole life.

So we rock climb and like that just keeps us in the outdoors.

And rock climbing, surfing, or

riding.

I really am.

You know, I used to rock climb when I was a little kid, but now it hurts my hands too much as I get older.

You know, It's just the rock, there's nothing soft about a rock.

It's just scratchy.

It's scratchy.

It's like, I like my hands to be strong and tough.

I know.

I see you got a band-aid on the one finger, and I'm like, that would just, I'd have to cancel the podcast if I had a band-aid on my finger.

You just, you push right through it, don't you?

And then music, and then music, man.

I started playing with my kids.

My daughter was singing, so I started playing music.

And they kind of moved me into bass because they both started doing everything else.

And I just love playing music with them.

Wait, it's like a family band well it's not a family band i started making a i started i started doing i have a i have a vodka company so i uh it's called it's called halif relief uh it's called melee melee

relief that's a long relief

trying to look at the hat of trying to see it looks like no melee melee

melee yeah so we have a vodka company out of montana and so it's been nice to like have these gatherings where you get together with everyone and we play music and we play our favorite songs so we play zeppelin and and Sabbath and Chili Peppers and Prince and Zombie.

All great for the bass.

All those, all those, those groups have a John Paul Jones.

Incredible.

You've got a vodka company.

You're building a studio between New Zealand and Hawaii.

You're directing movies.

You're writing series and acting in series and acting in like eight franchises.

And you seem so like chill about it.

And you seem really happy.

Yeah.

And like, yeah.

I mean, what pisses you on?

Like, you seem like

whatever.

Are we late?

That's cool.

I'll just be pretty pissed.

I got to lose a bunch of weight that I'm getting ready for this role.

You know what I mean?

Like, you know, that's not it.

All right.

But that's everyone's thing.

Yeah, I got to do a little extra.

I got to take care of myself.

How do you what's your feel with you guys?

Like, listen, I'm 46.

You guys are.

That's harder.

You know, you said you're 55.

We got 10 years on you.

Yeah, yeah, 10 years on me.

I'm like, what's your favorite way of

dropping pounds?

You know, I know not eating or exercise.

So I don't exercise and I don't, and I, and I eat whatever I want.

And I eat whatever I want.

So, and I, and I drink.

But basically, when I stop drinking and I eat smart and I exercise, I lose weight.

Okay, gotcha.

Oh, yeah, your body must be.

Generally, I just keep it like, I don't, I don't do it until I have to.

Yeah.

But my problem is like with all the things that you're taking off, like, oh, you do this, do this.

The thing that I don't do is I don't take care of myself.

Well, you will.

You will.

You still got time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you got time.

So like you got to go like, oh, there's a certain point where you can take care

one

kidney stone, you'll change your life.

Oh.

Haven't had one yet.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, thanks, granddad.

I think,

but, but how many people are listening right now going, fucking it, Mamota doesn't even work out any list?

I'm going to fucking throw myself on it.

There must have been a time.

There must have been a time when you were a gym rat and you put on all that size on the

I was like, you know, I grew up skateboarding and I was a skateboarder and rock climber.

So when I did Conan, they made me put all that, they made me train and learn all that stuff.

I mean, you do it for roles.

Sure.

And

you, and that's what's great about acting.

They teach all these new things.

And so, you know, you learn that.

And then obviously for Aquaman, I had to train and, you know, you're with all these best trainers, but I don't want to live like that.

And I don't find like I, so

what I did is I would build rock climbing gyms in our training facilities because I don't want to do sit-ups and I don't want to, I would just rock climbing.

Yeah, one of the greatest joys in the world is food.

Yeah, but I would just rock climb to do more

to like kind of like the things that you love to do.

Yeah, and yeah, you think you're in shape till you try a pull-up.

And that's, that's what a lot of rock climbing is, right?

It's just like.

Yeah, it's just, I just try, I just want to have fun doing things I like to do.

So, I mean, like, I say physical doing things I love to do.

I just,

like, I think I probably get hurt more lifting weights.

If I do lift weights, it's very light now, or I do like kettlebells, which has really helped, like, just for like my legs.

But I do pretty, pretty light.

You could avoid injury by just lifting chopsticks, like Sean, you know,

into sodium.

I'm just thinking, here is, we got two guys who both don't work out and eat whatever they want.

And one is Jason Momoa, and one's Sean Hayes.

So

I'd love to see just a speed-off shot side by side, the two of you.

It'd be so good.

Although, Jamie, you were talking about you were lifting really light weights recently and you were saying how hard it was.

That lasted three days.

Did it really?

It did, yeah.

I'll get back at it, though.

I've had a burger every day day for the last three days.

Really?

You're great.

Yeah.

That's great.

Maybe you work out?

No, not really.

I mean, I do cardio, but I don't lift weight.

I mean, like, when you're directing, it's so hard.

The hard thing for me is, like, I'm such a...

I come from such an artist mentality where it's like, it's really hard to balance the physicality when I'm like, I'm giving everything to these things that you're doing.

You're up too early, too.

Yeah, and the thing is, like, I don't sleep much anyways, which is fine.

It's just I don't, if I, if I, if I burn out doing this, to for just, I just don't take care of myself.

Stop doing whatever you're doing.

Whatever you're doing, just killing it.

Yeah, whatever you're doing.

You're killing it.

Just yeah, my favorite thing.

One time, I'm O, you and I were in Vegas.

We were at for like Cinemacon or something.

We were on a, remember, we were on a shuttle bus.

Yeah, and we were going, we were going back to the airport, and he had like a rucksack, like a roughly hewn rucksack, and it was just filled with loose beers.

It was the greatest.

I'm like, he's got a bag with him.

And And I was like, oh, it's a cooler.

So smart.

I know.

So jealous.

All right.

What are you going to do the rest of the day today, Jason?

You got the evening.

I'm going to go have dinner with my lady.

All right.

Yeah, I'm going to go just have a nice romantic dinner with my lady.

Who's your lady?

I should know.

Should we?

Adrea Adrea Arjona.

Andrea Arjona.

Arjona.

Yeah, she's doing a movie.

Yeah,

she's doing a movie, Thomas Crown Affair right now.

Okay.

So we're going to go have a nice dinner, and then I go back to Budapest to go back to

yeah, unbelievable.

I can't believe that.

The kids are in Budapest, so we're going to be together.

And Wolfie's working, and my daughter Lola's there, so her friends are coming over, and we're just celebrating because I get them in the summer.

So we're going to go do fun stuff, have my birthday here in a couple days.

So big party.

Yeah, do you have plans for your birthday?

I think I was going to stay at the house.

Maybe get a DJ and just like eat.

You're going to stay at the DJs with a DJ.

A DJ at the house and just just eat.

Get Scotty.

Scotty is a good idea.

Scotty can spin it.

My husband DJs sometimes.

Send him over.

He's in London.

He'll do the game.

Listen, we'll make a deal here.

Mamoa, you're going to have to wait till, what, 50 for the big one, right?

I mean, I feel like that's, that's, when you get to our age, you got to wait for like 50, 60, 70, 80 for the big ones.

You can't do it every year, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I just think VM.

I'm like,

I'm with some really cool friends that I haven't seen in a long time.

So how long is it?

You haven't seen us in a long time.

Can we get an invite?

I would love to see you guys.

We like to party.

It's Budapest.

So it's like it's pretty far.

We got mileage.

It's pretty far.

You're always invited.

Listen, dude, continued success.

One of the all-time great dudes, and you deserve all of it.

Honestly, I'm so happy for you.

And

you look so great, and you seem so happy.

And just continued.

I'm so psyched that you and your son get to do this.

Just all of it is great.

You're a great sunshine.

I'm a huge Dune fan.

I can't wait for it to be.

Yeah, go get it.

I can't wait for you guys to see this.

Chief of War, Apple TV on August 1st as well.

I mean, just all of it.

All of it's so rapid.

Congratulations, buddy.

Keep it up.

Keep going.

Thanks, baby.

All right, guys.

All right.

Good to see you.

See you, Pali.

Bye, Pal.

All right.

Nice going.

Big hug soon.

All right.

Good to see you.

Hello.

Bye, pal.

He slammed it.

He's a slammer.

I love it.

Yeah.

Nice going.

Well, you know, I thought it might have been Barack Obama.

I was pleasantly surprised it was Jason Momoa.

Those are the two Hawaiians that you know.

That's it.

That and King Command Man, but he's gone.

So yeah, that was great.

I've never met him.

Chris is great.

Oh, he's such a warmest guy.

Yeah, just so cool down to earth.

Yeah.

So, so good.

I love that his pants came down at shit fuck.

Is that what it's called?

Yeah.

Shit fucks.

At shit fucks, he got taken from behind

with his shorts down.

Wow.

Kind of

was just the net result of all that.

That's what I perked up.

We might want to revisit the transcript on that, JP.

I don't know.

You know what I mean?

And also, you want to fall on the wrong side of Momoa?

I mean, you know,

but you truly thought shit fucks was in Chelsea.

Is it not?

I thought, but wait, you know what's great about him is like, I had no idea he was that prolific in this business.

Like, I had no idea.

He's a busy man.

Yeah.

Wow.

He's just doing it all.

Big, huge star.

Yeah.

Turns out.

He's just a guy trying to mind his own business.

And then you're like complaining about tech rehearsals.

You know what I mean?

Hey, yeah.

When do you, when do you go?

When do you go up, Shawnee?

It's got to be close.

Two days, three days, three days.

Oh my gosh.

I can't wait to see you.

I don't normally have my wear my hair like this.

Well, we're not talking about the hair right now.

We're talking about the show.

No, I know, but I'm going to go.

Three days.

Yeah, yeah.

JB, you're not going over, right, JB?

We're going to go over and see him.

Yeah, no, I saw it.

It's good.

Yeah, it's fine.

Yeah.

I saw it in New York.

Okay.

And plus, I was just there in London staying with him, okay?

Walking the fucking stairs.

I prefer prefer the Disney States.

I'm a fan of the other hitchino.

Yeah, I know.

I'm excited.

He got so beleaguered.

Yeah, go ahead.

No, I was just going to do a bye.

Oh, no, we know.

We saw you look out the window.

Well, no, I was thinking, I was like, you know, I didn't, I knew, I didn't know he was from Hawaii.

I thought it was like,

but you know, aloha not only means hello in Hawaiian.

Sure.

What else does it mean?

Hello?

What does it mean?

What does it mean?

Something like...

Bye!

Oh, my God!

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