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So,

hi, everybody.

Hey, I like starting an episode with so

because

we're mid-conversation.

So anyway, welcome to Smartless.

Smart

Less

Listener, you'll have to excuse

Will Arnett today.

The things are a little sour.

He's surly.

He's surly today.

He's surely surly.

I recorded this the day after my beloved Toronto Maple Leafs lost

last year.

And it wasn't a great performance.

Biz made that very clear.

Yeah, he sure did.

And God bless him for being honest.

God bless Biz, Paul Bizonette.

My friends in my,

you know, my co-mourner

as a lease fan, Paul Bizonette, world's number two Lease fan, obviously, behind behind me, but I am considering free agency.

Yeah, we're talking NHL hockey.

I'm considering free agency.

No, no, you did say before we before we started recording, you weren't considering it.

You had declared that you had to.

I want to test the open market.

I see how it goes now in the world.

We'd love to have you over at the Kings.

Okay, well,

I'm open to,

I'd love to hear from Luke Robotai when the time is appropriate.

I'd like to see what kind of package he could put before me.

Now,

how do you think Brendan Shanahan is going to feel about all this run in your mouth here?

Well,

obviously, I just do this to Brendan runs a team there up there in G0.

He's a former smartlist guest early on.

Yes.

And friend of ours.

He runs a team there at Toronto.

He's having a business.

He knows it's a business.

What, your heart is a business?

My fandom.

You know, that fandom.

You're not going to stick with them when they're hurting?

I'm going to do what's right.

I mean, look, it's nothing wrong.

People test the open market.

He's tested the open market before.

He's been a free agent.

Oh, do you think he's got his resume out there amongst all the clubs saying, hey, I'd love to be GM over on your...

What do I know?

That's not.

I think they need you now more than ever.

What do I know?

I tell you, what do you want to do?

You want to run a team?

Well, no, he's just looking for a team to root for that's going to win all the time.

Going to win the Stanley Cup every year.

They've never won in my lifetime.

What, the Maple Leaf?

Never won.

They've never won in my lifetime.

Wow.

1967.

That's like the Cubs to me.

And then when they won, I cried.

Yeah.

Is that true?

1967 was the last time that they won?

Yeah, that's right.

Well, you were born in 58.

I know, so.

it's good stuff.

It's good stuff.

Anyway, what else?

I thought you guys look handsome today.

What else is going on?

Yeah.

I didn't even come to Sunday Funday, although I wasn't invited,

as it turned out.

Oh, yeah.

Now, let's subject number two to get all pissed off about.

I don't give a fuck.

You got a list.

What do you mean you weren't invited?

You don't know that.

Yeah, I do.

Sure, I do.

Did you tell my inbox?

Yeah.

You didn't miss much.

It was just burgers and chat.

You know, that's typical Sunday fare.

Yeah.

And I'm also a free agent with that.

I'm a free agent with friends now, too.

Oh, really?

Are you looking for a new date for Sunday nights?

Are you drinking dishwashing soap?

It's water.

You try going to Mass on Sunday nights.

Do they have it at night on Sunday or is that Saturday night?

Mass.

Mass.

Isn't that what they call it?

Yeah.

Lord's house is always open, pal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Will, I'm really sorry.

I sent you a text early yesterday that speaking of Jesus, that I had spoken to hockey Jesus and that Toronto was going to be okay.

I know

you weren't alone.

I don't blame.

First of all, I'm not superstitious in that way.

I was texting with

John Hamba during the game, and

one of the refs, I'm not laughing at his misfortune, went down because he took a high stick and he's bleeding.

He's a high stick right in the eye.

And he was bleeding all over the ice.

And Ham said, is this good luck or bad luck for your team?

And I said, you know,

like literally in real time as it was happening.

I said, I don't know.

I don't, I can't, I'm actually not superstitious in that way anymore because then you're just a maniac.

So I don't knock wood anymore.

I don't do any of that stuff.

Like, who knows?

So

I'm letting you out.

Look what happened.

But this is what I worry about when I, because I knock wood all the time.

I got a whole series of.

And Will, you said that you've stopped knocking on wood.

Look what happened to your team last year.

Years ago.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, this is the problem.

This is why you have to keep up with superstition so that you can get the wins when you need them.

No, but thinking that

thinking about me me watching the game a certain way or doing things a certain way and thinking that's going to affect the outcome is like that's how that's how Charles Manson thought.

Do you know what I mean?

That's insane.

Bring Serial Killer into it.

Will you need to stop watching sports?

Listen, this is.

Stop fucking with your hair.

Here's the other thing I want to say: is that my Liverpool won the Premier League this year.

So that's the good news.

There you go.

There you go.

That's the good news.

Start singing the song right now.

We've conquered all of Europe.

We're never going to stop.

From Paris down to Turkey, we've won alone.

Is that the chant that they do at the end of that?

Oh, no, you're not gonna be able to do that.

Well, the white song, You Never Walk Alone.

Fearless.

Yeah.

One of my favorite songs.

With hope

in your heart.

Sean, quiet.

Walk

alone.

You'll never

walk

alone.

Sean, you don't know this stuff.

Never walk alone, but that's like an old, old, old song.

What is that Jerry?

Jerry of the Pacemakers, I think.

Listen, it's a brilliant song.

It's a brilliant team.

And, yeah, Liverpool.

I'm also, you know, because I'm...

Anyway, we've spent way more time.

How are other things?

No, let's talk about other things in your life.

Yeah, go.

Tell me.

Let's go.

Either get a hat or fucking turn your camera off.

I can't see you continuing to fuck with your hair.

These headphones are driving me crazy because i'm wearing over-the-ear headphones today well that's what we all do okay okay well why is it a problem where's your earbuds so what then then mute my camera what how do you do it

mute my camera where are your earbuds i knew i needed new friends where are your earbuds hey calm down by the way if there's a if there's a wrong side of the bed that you sure woke up on it speaking of the bed where are you will where's it you've got this nice curtain behind you and a little leather sofas and i'm in new whisper booth?

I'm in New Mexico.

No, no, no, no.

I'm just in my spot here.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

Anything else to chat about before we get to our guest?

We have a nice guest today.

Let's stop picking on me.

Let's stop picking on me.

Okay, Sean, what about you?

What are your problems today?

I can tell you.

I have problems.

Yeah, go ahead and comment.

I know what's going on.

I got to stop eating sugar.

Listen, I had to go through a night last night with Sean,

really boring all of us with the big efforts he's making to get off of sugar.

He's been 48 hours.

He's just talking about how he's white-knuckling and how tough he is.

As he's taking sips, deep sips of cranberry juice on ice.

Well, my buddy, that's just red sugar.

Juice is sugar.

You can't drink it.

Yeah, but that your body,

whatever.

What is it?

Your body

processes that kind of sugar differently because it's not processed sugar.

Oh, no shit.

Got it.

Yeah.

So that won't, okay.

Fucking stuff.

You know, all the stuff behind you.

Are those diplomas behind you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then what happened when the dessert came to the table last night?

I had one bite and I gave the rest to Maple, your daughter.

I had one bite.

I can't.

I just, yeah, but that was good.

That was really hard.

And then I got home and I've just been shoving fruit in my mouth like crazy, like watermelon in my mouth.

I always insert a joke here, but you know,

you know.

Yeah, he's just shoving fruit in my mouth.

Did fruit mind?

does he mind being called that

oh my god and i and and jay you you know lamented over me not having dad jokes so i have always prepared now

how would you how would you have any dad jokes what do you mean you have no dad yeah remember he sped off

well that's a good one

no uh but i'll i have a literal dad yeah what was the one what was the one you told me last night that

we had to work on a little bit?

That wasn't very good.

That wasn't very good.

That was,

well, I have one for you really quick.

Ready?

Okay.

Sure.

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

I eat mop.

I eat mop who.

Wow.

What happened there?

How'd you do that to me?

Okay,

guys, our next guest.

Was in one of my favorite films of the year.

He seems to have it all.

He's talented.

He's successful.

He works with only the top people in the best projects.

He's got artistic credibility and box office sock.

Okay, that's what you want.

You want box office sock.

Sock.

Okay, he's handsome.

He's tall.

He's got good hair.

Sure.

Let's get him out here.

Let's see if he's single.

Let's see how he does it all.

Gang, it's Nicholas Holt.

Come on out, Nicholas.

What a reveal.

Nicholas Holt.

Nicholas Holt.

It took everything in my power when you were talking about fruit not to reveal myself right then.

Now you know how I feel.

Well, let's get right to it then.

So are you single?

No, I'm not.

I'm married.

Yeah.

Oh, you are?

Good for you.

Good for you.

Also, I don't know if my hair, I've got blonde hair now.

You said good hair in the intro as well.

Well, blonde can be good.

Thanks.

It was giving me quite a lot of anxiety sitting there.

I mean, I was enjoying listening to you guys, but also I was like, this is quite stressful.

The reveal thing.

The reveal.

Oh, wait, really?

I mean, obviously, Jason, you know.

Yeah.

It's me.

But then I was like, what if Sean will get it?

I know.

No.

Right.

Wait, you guys know each other?

A tiny bit.

It must be stressful for the guests, right?

This whole sort of like you're thinking there, well, when I reveal,

are they going to be excited?

Are they going to be disappointed?

Are they going to do I do they know me?

Do I right?

Is that is that what you're doing?

Yeah, because if I were you guys, I'd probably be like quickly googling like Nicholas Holt, quick and good.

Right.

Well, that's the whole reason.

It's the whole reason we do surprise guests.

We don't need to survive.

So that

the other two people don't have to do any research, right?

So Will and Sean get to just sit here and be the dummies that they are.

No, of course I know.

I could ask you a thousand questions about Nosferatu, which you were amazing.

I love that movie.

Not a question, that was a statement.

Go over the first movie.

No, but I have a question.

A thousand makeup.

Okay, ready?

The makeup, what was it like?

999.

Then you go, go ahead.

Wait, why is.

Just ask a question.

I'm holding everybody's feet to the fire.

Nicholas, I've had a rough 24 hours.

I know, I'm sad.

I heard, and I'm sorry.

You'll get through.

Wait, why is the hair blonde?

What's What's coming up for you?

I can't, but you know, you work in only the greatest projects.

I mean, your resume is really.

The order.

When do you stop?

That's the film.

That was one of my favorite films of the year.

Incredible.

The order.

That's where we met because you were working with Jude on your show and you came and very nicely did a Q ⁇ A for us.

And thank you for doing that.

Same director, right?

That was really fun.

Yeah, Justin Curzell.

Yep.

Incredibly well-directed film.

And then he directed the final two episodes of Black Rabbit.

And that guy is just incredible.

Did you have fun with Justin?

Yeah, I love that guy

yeah he's so good at what he does anyway why is the hair blonde what's coming up what what's that up for this is a movie i'm uh about to start called uh it's called how to rob a bank oh with uh with david leach who was just on the show oh david's directing oh yeah

he called me the other day and he was like how would you feel about going going blonde and trying that for this and i was like yeah okay so i went into my wife's aunt's salon yesterday and and bleached my hair and here i am Oh, look at that.

So this is like my big reveal to you three guys.

So tell me, it looks good.

Listen, Nicholas nicholas it does look good let's give a plug for because we plug hairdressers on this show a lot so let's give a plug first

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Wait, Nicholas, did you, by the way, Nick or Nicholas?

Nick's good, yeah.

Okay.

So, Nick,

where are you right now?

I'm in Long Beach.

We live down in Long Beach.

And is this where you live?

Yeah.

Oh, wow, that's nice.

How long have you been here in the States?

Coming up on like seven years, I think.

But like, you know, kind of roaming around throughout all that time as well.

But yeah, we've been down to Long Beach for like two.

So

how did you find Long Beach?

This is this for a listener, if you're not aware of Los Angeles, Long Beach is an incredible part of the city.

It's the port of Los Angeles, is in Los Angeles.

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And it is not a place that you often hear people living in

because it's just south of the city.

And the business.

And the business.

In the business, because it's just south of the city.

And so I'd like to know how you found yourself there.

Well, my wife's family are all from down this way.

And so with me being on the road a lot, it made sense to be closer to her, have her, you know, a support system around.

And I love it down here, to be honest with you there was something around la that always made me feel a little bit edgy um yeah and it's also like it's such an industry town and it's nice to live a place where there's other stuff going on i bet yeah yeah yeah that's that's a big part of it and it's it's very walkable there's good food nice people it's a it's it's a good it's a good little spot i like it yeah yeah

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um now uh children you have yes we got we got two boys we got two boys um how old which is uh seven and two which is chaos we were in a e last night with my older one getting staples in his head because he cut his head open oh no he's fine he's fine boys will take you to the emergency room will you can test i've been i've been i have three boys i've been many times to emergency oh yeah yeah yeah i have two girls only once only once only once

i had my my eldest who's 16 now once when he was about 11 he uh he broke his arm he had it in a cast he got it off the day he got it off he re-broke it what no way why don't i remember that that's archie yeah well how would you remember my you don't even know what your own anyway it was archie how did he do it each how did he do it each time just each time just foolish just running falling tripping uh my he used to have this sort of proclivity to run a direct one direction but be looking the other direction constantly like he's super bright you'd see you'd see him running going this way and going like ah and then full and oh really yeah yeah yeah anyway anyway so i've been there so it's a it's you got your hands full two and seven that's a good spread right that's a nice yeah yeah that's a good little spread but yeah my poor wife at the moment she he he was in a i told i told my acl like last week no oh you did.

Just last week?

Yeah, yeah.

How'd you do that?

Playing basketball.

You see, we're just too old to do it now.

Nick, you're considerably younger than us, but you're still too old.

This was the really sad thing.

This was what hurt more than the injury was I was back and then I was like Google MDing.

I was like, oh no, what's happened, blah, blah.

And when I found out it was a full tear of the SEL, I looked it up and

the AI review of the injury was like most frequent in middle-aged people who play jumping sports.

Oh, really?

And I was like, oh, there's no need for the middle-aged, I've thrown that at me.

Have you already gone in and done

the repair on it?

No, not yet.

No, no, no.

I'm kind of like rehabbing at the moment and then we'll do that once once you're finished with the film.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

It's a big you can hobble around on it?

I can get around all right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But if I did the surgery, I think I couldn't for a while.

But I hear that that's just sort of outpatient stuff nowadays.

They just like go in there with like a little hose camera and like sweep it up and get out.

No, I think for this they have have to because it's a complete teta i think they like cut out a piece of my patella with the bone and screw that in

and then they drill into the side of your knee i don't know i don't oh my god it doesn't sound great um no no it sounds pretty terrible to be honest so but now you're gonna this is you gotta wait till after the david leech thing uh that there's stunts in that he's he does stunt stuff and you're it's called how to rob a bank there's gonna be activity in that how are you gonna do that activity uh yeah well i'm gonna i'm gonna figure that out that's why i'm rehabbing at the moment we'll see we'll see how strong I can get beforehand.

Now, you robbed a hell out of a bank in The Order.

Everybody, you've got to see The Order.

That's the thing.

I did, yeah.

I'm on a good bank robbing run.

Yeah, yeah.

How does this one differ from that as far as the bank robbery stuff?

Is it more involved?

It's modern, but I would say it's more of a

Robin Hood-esque story in terms of my character, why he's gotten into this and how he's kind of revolutionizing a movement around it for good causes essentially yeah right yeah that's cool um now what about what about nashan i don't think you know this yet and um or haven't really processed it yet but i bet you scotty has considering his uh screensaver um oh yeah uh nick's coming up in superman i know

as lex luthor that's so great that is released in july correct is that right uh yes july 11th yeah all right so what was that was that uh daunting

Can you talk about what version of Lex Luther this is?

Because he's had different occupations in the past, correct?

Yes, he's yeah, I mean, there's so many different variations of it through the comics and the films, and in terms of what he is.

James Gunn likes to describe him almost as a

director, yes?

Yes, almost as a sorcerer in this, the level of science he's working on.

But, you know, he's a tech billionaire, defense.

And we start this Superman story like in an already developed metropolis, kind of you're thrown into a world and universe that's already fully imagined and all these

characters that have been around for a minute and you kind of catch up with where you're at.

It's the appropriate thing nowadays, right, to make the villain a tech billionaire.

But that kind of lines up.

You don't go like, what?

You go, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

That's right.

That's not believable.

It certainly seems very apt, yeah.

Did you have a villain look in that?

What did you do?

Isn't he traditionally

been bald-headed, right?

Is that right?

Yeah, no, I shaved my head off.

Oh, you did?

Shaved my head off.

Shaved my hair off.

Yeah.

Just the whole head.

So you really went for it.

You shaved it completely clean.

Yes.

And then what was the growback process on that?

Because I hear some people worry about that, that their hair is never going to come back.

It came back.

Maybe not as full and luscious and wonderful.

I don't know.

Wait, did you have to shave it?

I had to shave my head for a movie called The Three Stooges.

Very similar.

There's a picture.

They're so crazy.

Sorry, it's an inside thingy that's not funny to me.

I had to shave it.

Three stooges of some kind of bananas.

It's the boat.

It's a place in that room.

It is.

That's a good reverb in that room.

Wait, Nick, did you have to?

I had to shave it twice a day because it would start right?

This double would start showing because you have to shave it.

You've got a lot of growth, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, did you have to shave it twice a day?

No, no, it was once, it was once a day, but then they'd kind of spray paint over the top of it.

Oh, I see, I see.

It was better than a bald cap and doing all that, right?

Yeah, yeah, I haven't really done the the ball cap thing too much, but I feel like it's like wearing a swimming cap throughout the day and it gets all hot and stuff and bubbles.

And where did you film film it?

Because it, what part of the

film a planet, Sean?

Yeah.

You want to do a tour of their locations?

What are you doing?

No, because I want to know if it was hot or not.

Oh, when you write a question.

I know I understand.

Because of the shaved head?

You want to know if it was...

Well, because my thing is,

when I shaved my head every single day, it was in Atlanta.

It was so hot that when I went into my hotel to sleep, I cranked up the AC, and I had to wear a ski hat.

ski cap on my head because the AC was so cold on my bald head.

This guy doesn't know whether he's coming or going.

You didn't want to just turn down the AC, ding-dong?

No, no, no.

Because I didn't want to do that.

No, no.

Got it.

Anyway, you want to know if he had a similar experience

to your fucking lunacy that you were going through?

I can relate.

It wasn't self-induced.

We shot a little bit of the film in Svalbard.

Where's that?

Yeah.

It's kind of near the Arctic Circle, in the Arctic Circle, a Norwegian island up there.

And so that was very cold, and my head was, you know, naked.

That's what I'm saying.

And it would get chilly.

That's what I'm saying.

No, no, no, no.

It's not what you're saying.

He was wearing a fucking hat because it was cold.

And he was in the Arctic circle.

Because he was in the Arctic city.

Not the Omni.

Not in the hottest city.

I refused the hat.

There was a hat as part of the costume.

But I said no to the hat because I'm.

Saying hi to the Hawks players as they were coming back from the road trip.

Great win, fellas.

Anyone cold?

Sorry, Dick.

Sorry, Nick.

We're very slappy today.

We are very now.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Let's go all the way back.

I was going to say the same lesson all the way going.

Will,

would you like to start it about a boy, Will?

Is that where your question is?

I just want to know how it all started, Nick.

How did you become you?

You're so good at what you do.

How did that all start?

What was the beginning of your journey?

What was the day that you woke up and went, oh, today I want to be an actor?

Yeah.

Well, I was lucky.

My mom and dad weren't involved in the business, but my older brother and sister, my older brother really loved acting, and my older sister did a lot of singing and dancing and was very talented with that as well.

And now they hate you.

And now they detest me.

So that was their hobby and passion.

And it kind of, you know, being the third sibling, I kind of just ended up being like, all right, you end up in...

in dance classes or in like right yeah yeah yeah shows and whatever and you kind of just get dragged so it was kind of like the you know the family hobby in some ways that then through them being skilled managed to like get get lucky and get an agent and then kind of yeah

keep doing it.

And so it's...

Are they still doing it?

Not at the moment.

No.

My little sister still works in film.

She works as an AD, but my brother's a forensic chemist and my older sister teaches dancing

and stuff.

So, yeah, so there's...

Wait, your youngest is an AD?

Yeah,

that's awesome.

That's the hardest job on the set, first AD.

That and first AC, I think.

Yeah, the bass running can be very difficult because you have to, you know, tell people to get out of their trailers a lot.

Yeah, exactly.

And some people don't want to leave.

invite.

Sean, do you want to explain the AD department to Tracy or is that too long?

It's the assistant director, right?

Yeah.

First, where's the hang on?

You want to start with clarifying what the acronym is?

No, but I meant like

you said,

I don't know what AC is.

Assistant camera.

First camera.

Focus puller.

No, but the assistant, first assistant director and their job, and then the people who were for then the second and the second, second, those people are the people who, in effect, run the whole thing.

The skeleton of the film, as it were.

They keep the trains running on time.

They do all the things.

Their jobs are so immense.

Yeah, they don't stop.

Couldn't be more important.

Couldn't be more important.

Yeah.

All right.

Great.

So

About a Boy.

We just want to leave a little break for the commercial.

Now,

was About a Boy the first

project that you did, or was it the first thing that really kind of like launched you into

public viewing?

yeah that was a that was that was a kind of a breakthrough i guess i'd been in a few things before in england but yeah that was the one that was like and you were 11 yeah we were different yeah

what was your first professional job first professional job i think i did a play when i was like three or four and then i did a film called intimate relations

when i was five

explain that one yeah i mean

um you know what i remember the audition for that because it was very easy i thought uh they were like i will sit under this table and pretend to eat cake.

I can do that.

I can do that.

Sure, good.

All right.

All right, Sean.

That's how Sean does it now because he doesn't want anybody to know he's eating sugar.

So he goes, Yeah, and I'm not even auditioning.

Now,

what did that was?

So you're 11 and this thing happens, and I imagine it was a fun experience.

And then it comes out, and it's kind of a big hit.

And

what was the adjustment from being just a kid to like, like, did your friends start to treat you?

Like, say, what's going on?

Yeah, what's going on with you?

Yeah, because that about a boy was so huge.

Yeah.

Let's get into a bit of a therapy session here now.

You just lay down if you need to.

Yeah, I suppose that was a bit weird because it was like, I don't know, fairly recognizable for a little bit through it.

Yeah.

But luckily, it's also like one of those things where also, like, you know, it's like kids don't care.

They care and then they don't care.

And everything like passes so quickly that it's like one of those things where you're like, oh, whatever.

You just get on with life.

You're starting to get a bunch of attention at school.

And some of the boys boys might not like that, right?

Jealous?

You know what?

Most people were pretty nice.

Most people were pretty nice.

Yeah, it was kind of

projecting.

But it makes you self-conscious of yourself, I suppose, more than anything else.

Of course.

Right, right.

You can imagine at that age, yeah, feeling like, feeling like, because some people are mentioning it and some people are looking at you, and then you feel like, is everybody looking at you?

And it would make you very self-conscious.

And if you're young, especially in those adolescent years, which are tough enough as it is,

it must be quite tricky, really.

Yeah, you become like, I suppose,

yeah, even more of a version of like, so, yeah, just being like self-aware in a horrible, in a horrible way, which you probably don't want.

Were you like, this was like a fun, a fun hobby, a good, good reason to mix, to miss class?

And, uh, or, or were you thinking, great, I've got a nice jumpstart on my career?

Well, like, did you decide this is what I'm going to do the rest of my life at that point?

No, because

everyone talks about how child actors often fall apart and fail and how it doesn't work out for them.

So like you're aware of that conversation.

So you're kind of like, oh, you know, there's a good chance.

Keeping your eyes on the side.

So I would say I was in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, I like this.

I'd like to carry on doing this.

But also I was kind of reserved about it a little bit where I was like, there's a good chance it doesn't work out.

So don't like

Jason,

you're not unfamiliar with the sensation?

Yeah.

So

did you, like me, when it came time to like finish high school and now it's like the decision about going on and going into college and actually studying up on

an industry or an occupation what was that decision like did you had some momentum going at that moment did you make a decision like screw it i'm all in at that moment i was lucky i i did a tv show in england called skins um

and that we did the first series and then and then went and then found out that the second series was going to happen and that was one of those things where it was around the time that i started my a levels which is when you're 17 18 in school and and i realized i was kind of like half focusing on on school and half focusing on work and i wasn't really fully into either.

So I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to commit and then

give the acting a try and see how it goes.

And if I need, I can come back to school.

And you thought maybe I'd give it three, four years, something like that.

Because that's like, it's a real roll of the dice, right?

Because you'd have to go back into college.

And

yeah, it's stressful.

Yeah.

And there wasn't anything that I was particularly good at.

either.

What do you think you would have done if you had to do something different?

I really have no idea because I'm not good at anything.

That's what I always say.

I say the same thing.

I'm not joking.

I always say I'm not good at anything.

What would you have liked to have done if you couldn't have acted?

Oh, just be a race car driver.

F1.

For real.

Rock star or

a writer or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I enjoy watching F1.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I didn't really have a backup.

But I think the one thing that I like

the eclectic mix that acting allows you to kind of be a jack of all trades.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think I excel at anything particularly, but I can kind of dabble a little bit in lots of things.

You get to do everything, you know, which you certainly have done.

I mean,

the

variants and projects that you do and filmmakers that you work with, I mean, it's.

Yeah, a lot of people chase fame and other people chase the work.

And I think, and I feel it.

Well, fuck it.

No, no, just say it again because I've got a blank t-shirt I was looking to fill.

You always seem like you chase the work and you're not interested in any of the flash.

John, what would you have done if you hadn't done this?

What, this podcast?

No,

I'm with you guys.

I don't know how to do anything else.

I mean, I can't.

Were you drawn to anything like college?

I mean, I thought I was going to be a conductor and I thought I was going to compose film scores.

That's right.

JB, what about you?

Sorry.

What would you do if you could?

The same thing you asked Nick.

What would you do?

I want to be an architect.

I wanted to design residential homes.

Okay, wow.

You have have to draw really well.

And I can't really draw.

I just like, I like architecture.

Yeah, I do too.

I would have gone into that.

I would have had to have a partner that knew the math.

But anything, but any answer that you play out, like architect or whatever, then you go, God, I have to go to school and then I have to learn.

Like, it's so, there's so much work involved where acting, it feels just like you're playing.

Like, you're lucky.

But the trade-off with that is that

you've got no guarantee of employment.

I know.

I would have been a bartender at a club med.

Just asking for beads.

Yeah, just fucking, just fuck it.

Just flip-flops all the time.

I just fuck it.

Lighting cigarettes.

Whatever.

Whatever.

Just ride it out.

Yeah.

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But seriously, Nick, how do you, how are you picking your jobs?

It seems like you're looking at kind of who's in it, who's directing it, kind of what's the quality of it as opposed to what's the star-making potential of it.

No, no, no, I'm chasing fame and money.

No, you're not.

Like a rabid animal, but I just can't

achieve it.

I'll bet you get a bunch of that low-hanging fruit pass right underneath your nose, and you've been very disciplined.

Yeah.

I try to be.

It's one of those where, yeah, I feel like, you know, I just want to do good work and

have like

when I'm sitting in my rocking chair in 50 years time looking back, I can be like, oh yeah, you like, you tried to really create special things each time you went to the business.

Are there any roles, and without naming names, are there any roles that you turned down that you went like, I wish I had done it?

You ever have to do it?

You know what?

I think for the first time there was maybe one where

the person got nominated for an Oscar.

I was like,

now, did they play the part the way that you would have?

Oh, much better.

Much better.

That's always the thing.

Whenever there's a role that you don't get, or someone else does, or whatever, there's always a thing where you watch it and you're like, oh, yeah, now I see

different.

And it's very classy that you're not mentioning what that is, too.

I think some actors that they mention, and then the person that feels like shit is the person who actually did the part.

Yeah.

Because it's like, oh, so I was second.

Right.

Right, right, right.

But there's always that, you know, whatever, like, there's always a list that goes like the turnover of project.

I'm sure you guys see it all the time when it's like, oh, this script's been around for a minute.

It was this person for a while, and it's this person.

It's kind of like, I'm just finishing up one of those.

Pedro Pascal was set to do the Bard I'm playing.

Anyway,

he would have been great.

I know, right?

No, I'm sorry.

I'm just imagining him in the Disappointment.

It would have been good.

Now, what about

what doing X-Men again?

Scotty just should just grab the ceiling.

That was

I would have, so doing, doing X-Men or like Mad Max or Superman, like you are, you are sneaking in some big commercial films as well.

Those, those, that work process on that is, uh, it's, you're only doing like a half a page a day and it's, it's, uh, right, the apparatus is just huge.

Do you like doing that?

Or do you prefer doing the smaller films where you're really chugging along and you got to do a bunch of pages a day and it's a lot of it's more acting than it is sort of uh stunts and effects and things like that it's different I really enjoy the stunt process of those things but for those bigger ones like that it's more of like an experience yeah like I can clearly remember like some of the days on Mad Max where we'd be in the Namibian desert and you know the the they'd give the signal for everyone to start up their engines and you'd hear all these V8s and V12s and all these engines like start up around you and then you couldn't hear anything else apart from the thunder of that taking off across the desert and you're like wow, in terms of life experiences, that doesn't get

any more exciting than that.

The hairs on my arms would stand up each time.

But then also, yeah, it's fun to then go and do like...

And I'm immediately thinking about all the dust and how far base camp is from set.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, right, right.

What kind of is it?

Is it like your umbrella?

Is it an umbrella near my chair?

Because it's probably just really heavy.

It is.

It is, though.

But to Jason's question, the comfort level of doing like an indie, like a super small budget compared to when you're used to doing bigger films like that, you have to adjust your expectations about how the day is going to go in terms of comfort, right?

It's not cushy on the 90s, right?

It's not.

Yeah, it's bad.

It's bad on the indies.

Boy,

not a question in there.

No, it's like

two hosts and not one question.

Now, how do you, how do you like the whole, how do you like the whole press part of it?

Like doing crap like this?

And like, because because when you do those bigger films and Superman circumstances.

Yeah, I was just thinking about you saying July 11th.

You know the date, obviously.

It isn't something you worked on, but it's like, this is the lead.

I mean,

you've got a long road ahead of you, not to make it too daunting.

I'm sorry.

But you know.

Yeah, those films.

Yeah.

So listener, so they you do these big films.

They make you fly around.

Not make you.

I don't

sound like we're complaining, but

you do, it is very

robust, the whole thing, all the chat and giggle stuff you got to do.

Yeah.

How do you like doing that?

You know what?

I've tried to flip my thinking on it in like the last year or a bit or something.

So where I was like, I used to kind of not dread it.

There was part of me that was like, oh, it's quite fun.

But I guess that slight introvert part of me was like, oh, I don't know about, you know, and then I realized I've got to play, I've got to like perform and play the game better of what it is.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

And then you are ultimately a salesman at that point.

And I think somebody said to me a long time, they don't pay you to do the movie.

They pay you to promote it.

Right.

Right.

And so when you look at it that way, you go like, okay, this is the the big, this is a big part of the job right now.

Yeah.

So I've got to be a bad salesman.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, but you, but as you, you said it, and I've been accused of this as well, and I think they're right, of being an introvert.

I, I, I don't, I'm, this is not comfortable for me.

I don't want to say that.

You're not an introvert.

You're boring.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I think, and they think there's a distinction there.

Do you know what I mean?

My favorite is, I'm like, I'm boring.

I just want to stay at home.

I want to go and do my acting.

I hope people like it.

And then like, that's kind of it.

Yeah, but it is effortful.

It is effortful yeah i'm but yeah there's a there's a certain ham gene a healthy ham gene that i don't well you feel like you're bragging is part of the problem right that and or also just like demanding attention

even just and i've talked about it before making a toast i just cringe myself out standing up and and demanding attention well i you know you know what i was thinking about you and the flipping and doing the toast and stuff when we had our friend's birthday recently a month ago and you guys went and i kind of go because of work and and i was thinking about the toast, and

I remember I wrote that toast for

I still wrote it to have, and Bradley delivered it while it was hilarious, even though I didn't go.

Yeah, wait, we haven't even talked about that, right?

In the toast, I made Bradley go.

He does this whole thing.

It was for Robert's birthday for Downey.

And then I said, and Jason Bateman, I said, Jason, would you please stand up?

So Bradley's reading, and he says, Jason, would you please stand up?

Jason stands up and then Bradley reads, Look at this, look at this monkey.

I can make him do anything I want.

I'm not even here.

Anyway,

the roof died it was very but the point but but but here's the flip jb which is and and and and it kind of goes along the lines of you're being paid to do it is making a toast is it's not about you it's think about it it's about it's for the other person so you're making it about you and it shouldn't be you're doing it so i don't necessarily want to go and do it and i don't want to make a speech to somebody's birthday even though it seems like i do or i want the attention you're doing it for that person because they want it and if you look at it through that lens, it's much easier.

That's a good point.

Yeah, there was like a really interesting thing I was reading the other week, and I'm butchering it completely.

But what you said there was like being introverted is like a self-centered thing in many ways.

And when you're kind of bold in an interaction, instantly it puts the other person at ease.

Yeah.

And I've got friends who I see do it all the time when they'll meet someone for the first time and they'll instantly like break the ice so brilliantly and do these things where you're like, oh, wow.

You can just see how.

Well, because it's the work part.

Somebody told me a long time ago, you're not allowed to be shy after nine years old.

Right.

Because that that just means you just don't want to do the work.

And I will say this.

I'm not saying that, JB, that you're not a kind or

and I don't think that you're self-centered.

I think that it's much more, you look at a guy like Kimmel.

Kimmel goes out of his way and he does stuff and he hosts stuff and he gets and he gives toasts and he does it.

I mean endless work.

Endlessly.

And he does it because he's very open-hearted about it and he understands that it's important to the other person to do it.

Yeah, yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

If I think about it that way, I would do it much more.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're right.

Yeah.

You're right.

That feels good.

Thank you.

56.

that's why I've got your eulogy written right here it's ready I just finished it today well I talked to you ready to go I talked hey side zoom after this is that cool

just to go over it um all right I'd like to go back to Lex Luthor because this is a major movie that's I know I know I love Superman did you have a did you have a voice for him or is it your regular voice or did you

I'm doing an American accent I did a I did a voice yeah okay good I love

I worked with a an opera coach a little bit bit on

which sounds like then the voice is going to be so different, but I was just trying to place the voice differently to where my voice is.

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

That's cool.

I love it.

Like, sort of like the top of your head type thing or something like that, you mean?

Trying to get it more from my stomach, I suppose, and all that.

Because sometimes, particularly when you're then doing an accent, it's like it becomes...

Because you're trying to change everything in your mouth and throat in terms of how you're saying the sounds.

Yeah.

It can become placed there a little bit differently and stuff.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

How do you like doing the American accent?

Is it easy to you?

Yeah, I was going to just ask that.

I wouldn't say it's easy because then when I do a bad one, everyone will be like, hmm, not that easy.

Is it comfortable?

How about that?

It gets comfortable.

That's the aim.

I'm just starting to work on this new accent for this new thing.

And it's kind of, it's an American accent, but it's different to what I've done before.

So then instantly it becomes like, in the moment, it still sounds alien in my head, you know?

It's like, and then, and then hopefully with enough repetition by the time we get to shooting, it'll feel like like something that i can be like all right now are you just working on are you just working on the on the material that you've got to uh work on for the film or are you trying to inhabit it sort of in the day-to-day when you're doing the dishes etc or playing with the kids trying to get that those american cadences etc

oh oh nice work will did i froze him out yeah you just absolutely let's take a quick little look-see here

can you guys hear me yes

now we can yes sorry i don't know what happened here he comes comes NVIDIA.

Hold on.

I'm sweating now.

Yeah, see, that's what happened.

Here we go.

This is going to be, Nick,

this is going to be seamless.

My question was,

do you do the accent all day?

Like around kids.

Or do you just do it for the material that you're working on or do you try to do it incorporated into your day-to-day and like when you're doing the dishes and playing with the kids, et cetera?

I don't do it at home.

But I'll do it.

It depends on how long I'm doing the character and stuff.

But yeah, I'll normally perhaps stay in it throughout the day film.

I like in the morning, warm up and like get into it and then try and stay in it.

And then at the end of the day, I'll go home and I won't talk in it.

Do you ever do it around your kids?

And your kids are like, Dad, what do you, I don't understand you.

Occasionally, I'll be like, because I sometimes record.

Hey, Will, have you played golf since you've been done with the movie?

I went to the range yesterday.

Boy, I figured something out.

Oh, did you?

And we have Nick with us here.

Check, check.

Here we go.

He's back.

Nick Holt?

Yes.

There he is.

Nick, do you play the golf?

Do you play golf?

I do play the golf, not very well.

Because we were talking about golf during the intermission there.

So you're no, you're...

Do you all play?

We do.

Sean does not.

Sean can drive the hell out of the car.

Jason and I play.

Sean did come to a golf tournament with us once, but he did not play.

You're not good because you don't play that much because you're working all the time.

Yes.

Yeah,

I'm not consistent enough.

Like when I'm on one, it's good.

All right.

Looks like we lost them again.

Please stand by.

By the way, you know, there are certain names, right, that have a cachet, that have a thing.

Yeah.

Nick Holt.

Nicholas Holt sounds like a star name.

That's a star name.

Sure, it is.

You know what I mean?

You know, let me, let me, can I, can I run one by you that I don't think is?

It's just, it's impossible.

I'm not going to say my name.

Will Arnett

is just something that's just, it's sort of like, oh, well, that's fine.

I know.

That's fine.

You know, Sean Hayes.

It's kind of boring.

It's like, oh, it's kind of foggy.

I can't really see through it.

You know, it's easy.

You can't make anything out of it.

Sean Hayes.

Sean Hayes sounds like your sister's friend, you know, who's like a graphic designer.

Do you know who I saw at the mall?

Fucking Sean Hayes.

Oh, yeah.

I remember him from high school.

That's it.

He sounds like somebody, like your sister's friend from high school.

And now you're 50 and you're like, oh, oh yeah i thought that guy died

yeah that sadly that's true there we are nick holt nick holt nick holt is back ah he's not back and more frozen than ever yeah

while we should be is he trying to join back in no i just heard from him and i think there's something going on with his laptop

Well, listen, we lost Nicholas Holt.

We have got a real spotty connection there.

But you want to know what?

A guy that busy, we're thankful to

the amount of time that we had, right?

And this guy is a talent and a charmer.

And

again, the hair did not disappoint.

The jawline did not disappoint.

Good looking guy.

Good looking guy.

Very well-spoken, super talented.

He's got it all.

He's got the superstar name.

Focused.

Like you said, Jay, picks the right projects with the right people.

And I'm glad we didn't exhaust him because he's got a lot of talking to do in the coming months.

Everyone's going to go out and see Superman.

Yeah, we're going to see Superman.

What was the date?

Was it July 11th, did he say?

July 11, yeah.

Will anyone beat Scotty to the theater

for Superman?

Yeah.

No, I'm not even kidding.

He's literally already bought his tickets.

Not even joking.

He brought something up on his phone last night, Willie.

Oh, yeah.

You know, I'm over his shoulder.

And right there, his screensaver on his iPhone is just the Superman badge, you know, the chest badge or whatever.

That's his screensaver.

I know.

He's a big nerd.

He's a big fat nerd.

Not fat, but he's a nerd.

That's a funny, that's a, that's a great, nerd is a great way to put it.

Yeah.

It's not the word I'd use.

That's what it means?

Mine starts with an L.

Big L.

Remember when people just, remember, because nerds all of a sudden sort of appropriated the word, losers appropriated the word nerd because they thought like it made them sound better, and they're just losers.

Well, I'm going to write this down and make sure Scotty knows that.

No, I'm kidding.

I love Scotty.

Where does Dork live

in that list?

Is that more pejorative?

Dork?

Yeah.

Dork is.

I'm a loser, too.

I'm like a hardcore fan who's bummed out about a sports game last night.

That doesn't exactly make me a fucking winner.

No, but you know what?

I was going to say

how good looking

Nick Holt is.

And

I said to Will,

off the mic a little bit.

I said, if you're attracted to.

If you're attracted to,

if you're attracted to both men and women,

but neither are attracted to you,

you are by yourself.

Oh, no, nice.

I like that.

We'll accept that.

Bye.

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From the creator of Bo Jack Horseman comes a new comedy that blends humor and heartbreak.

Long story short.

It's all about family and all of the ups and downs that come with it.

It brings the same sharp, heartfelt storytelling that will hit a little too close to home.

If you've ever had a family or tried to escape one, this show,

it's for you.

Watch Long story short, August 22nd, only on Netflix.

Introducing Searchlight Pictures' new movie, The Roses, starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Olivia Coleman.

Perfect couple, Ivy and Theo Rose have it all.

But when Theo's career comes crashing down, just as Ivy's fame starts to skyrocket, a tinderbox of fierce competition and growing resentment threatens to destroy everything they've built if they don't destroy each other first.

Directed by Jay Roach of Meet the Parents, written by Tony McNamara of Poor Things, and also starring Andy Andy Sandberg, Alison Jani, Shutigatwa, and Kate McKinnon.

All's fair when love is war.

The Roses in theaters everywhere, August 29th.

Get tickets now.