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listen i think you two are going to be great at this this is your first podcast the both of you sean this yeah just first time out yeah first time out what what what do we need to know we just go ahead and talk into that big foamy black thing in front of your lips and what do i do with my microphone

Oh, wow.

Welcome to Smartless.

Smart.

Smart.

Good morning, good day, good evening, listener.

We had a real robust

in-house Smartless text chain going this morning.

Yeah, we did.

That's right.

It's fascinating.

I love talking about that stuff.

Talking about all the scary stuff.

Going on in the world.

Yeah.

Like AI.

Listener, I don't know if you've heard about this.

The acronym is AI.

It stands for Artificial Intelligence.

And it's coming, and it's going to be fariki.

I wish the listeners could see how dead your eyes were when you were.

Shut up, Will.

This is serious.

Okay.

No, it's coming.

So what now?

I'm running for the hills by a pistol.

What are we doing?

Or I guess double down on

just chatting with folks like we're doing.

I guess you can kind of robot us, can't you?

I mean, pretty much all of you.

There is no way.

Sean, there is no way, Jason.

It's me, Will.

I'm Sean.

Sean, you look so good today.

It is a pleasure to be on Smarlas.

I'm excited for our next guest.

Wait, do I have any

good dad jokes?

Are you going to try to lighten things?

Yeah, I got one.

I'm all ready for this.

No, open up the fire.

What do you got?

What do you call a teacher who never farts in public?

What's that?

Private tutor.

Oh my goodness.

That's fun.

Sean, that's really fun.

That is fine.

I've taken that one.

I'm going to ride that for a week.

I know how that feels.

I was going to say, speaking of which,

Sean, do you have a callback today or a photo shoot or something?

Because you do look great.

Oh, thanks.

Yeah.

What's the occasion?

I took a shower and

this is what it looks like.

Yeah.

There we have it.

Wow.

Yeah.

It took a short time.

Now, when you shower, do you shampoo your hair and condition it?

I don't condition.

I've never conditioned my hair.

I just shampoo.

Okay.

Or I get the shampoo.

Every time you shower, you shampoo your hair?

Yeah.

Who doesn't?

People who look good?

I don't.

What do you mean?

Every time.

Yeah, because you shampoo your hair every time you shower, You get that fluffy, shitty hairdo like shit.

You're getting rid of the natural oils.

Okay.

You're washing away your natural oils.

Well, I need some clump.

Yeah, you need your natural oils.

You need your natural clump.

Yeah, but what about

Lorenzo's oil?

Okay.

That's what that movie was about.

Lorenzo's oil.

Do you know?

Can I reference one of my own projects, please?

Thank you.

Here it comes.

Here we go.

A picture called Paul.

Oh, not widely seen, but I did play Secret Service Service agent, last name Zoyle.

And in one of the last scenes of the movie, I finally introduced myself, first name Lorenzo.

Oh my God.

What a sweaty show.

And I was told by the director.

You're right.

No, it was actually Greg Mattola.

Oh, Greg Mattola, right.

Yes.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Yeah,

he says, you know, I think it's the first time he's ever really heard

this himself.

Like, so in other words, play a beat once you say, I'm Detective Zoyle, Lorenzo Zoyle, and then like play a beat of like, oh my God, that sounds like the movie.

Right.

Like a little wink.

And so it was, so it was funny.

I do recommend a rental on that.

Yeah.

Paul, it's called?

It's called Paul.

All right.

Seth Rogan plays an alien.

I'd look for like a free stream, maybe.

You know what I mean?

Try five minutes of free and then go ahead and rent.

I'd get on a VPN and stream illegally.

If it's $2.99, I'll buy it.

What else?

Okay, I'm back in Atlanta.

Oh, yeah.

I'm in my final week here.

Are you so excited you're in Los Angeles?

I'm very excited.

I'm very excited to be done.

It's been a great project, but I am excited to come home, see you folks again.

When are you done?

Saturday?

I'm done on Sunday.

Today's Wednesday.

Sunday?

I'm flying home Sunday too.

I'm leaving today, but I'll be back Sunday.

Wait, you're in Los Angeles?

I'm in L.A., but I'm going to New York today for a few weeks.

And then you're going to be back on Sunday.

I'll be back Sunday.

I'll be back

after midnight.

Oh, I'm glad we're caught up with schedules.

Wait, oh, so you're not coming back?

That is Sean.

Sean, Sean.

So rude.

So judgy.

So listen, what about Sunday?

Were you there, Jay, or just Will?

Just me.

Oh, where?

I thought you went to Sunday Funda.

Sunday Funday.

You were not there, I guess, Sean.

I couldn't.

We had a very robust conversation, actually, kind of about a lot of the stuff we were talking about this morning.

We were talking about AI and we were talking about the future.

But did you discuss?

The present.

We discussed the fact that we're all a human.

No, oh, for on Sunday, Scotty rented a boat.

We went out on to the ocean and

managed to wedge his little talk notes in.

Oh,

doesn't that sound like a focus feature?

Doesn't that sound like a little indie film?

Scotty rented a boat?

You know what I mean?

To go into companion with Paul.

Is he still, is he, did he make it back home or are they still searching for?

No,

we all were going to go.

you guys used to have a boat though, so you told me around with maybe getting another one.

I don't know, maybe does Scotty does Scotty pilot uh the boat?

Well, he did this one for a little bit, but it had a captain, yeah, it had a little captain,

but he likes to get behind the does he wear a little cap, yeah.

You know, he, you know, he doesn't wear a little cap, but he likes to drive big machinery.

So, for one birthday one year,

well, he's no, there's he's with the wrong guy.

I mean, I don't know what

he, I, for his birthday one year, we went to Vegas because I knew that.

And in Vegas, there's a place that you can go where you can drive bulldozers and like

you can like excavate land.

Have you guys ever done that?

Or Will, have you ever done that?

I've done that.

It's incredible driving those big things.

Yeah, right.

I've never driven an excavator, but I drove like a big

for GMC.

Get ready.

Word truck.

Well, GMC trucks are professional grade.

Are they?

So if you're working your way around a word site,

what happens with the Denali?

Well, the Denali HD, HD, or are you talking about the new Sierra EV?

Oh my God.

So, Sean, how was the Vegas trip?

That was a while ago.

We drove trucks, and what else did we do?

Did you win any money?

By the way, he's just doing a lot of things, driving the boats, and then going and driving the trucks.

Yeah, that's just

different characters from the village people.

I mean,

any ride-alongs for the cop outfit?

Clearly, he's not doing a lot of working, or are you?

No, these are the things that are.

By the way,

you're listening to this podcast, and you're in a truck, or you're working somewhere, and you're like, these fucking Hollywood elite assholes.

What are you talking about?

Anybody can rent a boat and anybody can rent a boat.

I'm going to Vegas to make believe.

I'm driving a truck.

I'm renting boats.

You can buy like 100 bucks to

go drive these things in Vegas.

You're so out of touch, dude.

You're so out of touch.

I was thinking, I was coming back home.

I was at 45,000 feet, and I was coming home, and I was thinking about how out of touch.

Sean.

You're looking out the windshield to the past past the pilot.

I'm going to spit out my teeth.

Oh my God, that came out of my mouth.

You know, Sean, I would say, though, I would like to, I actually, upon further reflection, Scotty would look good like a little sailor outfit.

Sure, he would.

I'm just saying, like an old school.

All right.

I'll make a note.

Can we make that happen?

Yes, we can make it happen.

You can wear like a striped, like non-bib, you know, like the bib thing that goes on the back.

No shirt.

No shirt.

Tits just resting over the top.

And then here comes Sean in a little Gilligan outfit.

Yay!

Don't say

you guys should know that as the skipper and Gilligan for Halloween.

That's really funny.

You guys, that would be so.

Oh, my God.

And we'll be Marianne and Ginger.

Come on, Willie.

That's really funny.

All right.

Let's wake up our guest.

I'm sure he's completely passed out by now.

Guys, I'm very excited slash nervous for today's guest because I've always wanted to meet him for quite a while now.

Okay.

He first hit my radar coming out of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts in 2012.

Okay.

Then he quickly became the lead in a very stylish action franchise.

I can't mention because I didn't know who he is.

He voiced one of the most successful animated films.

He went on to play one of the most iconic musicians of our time, was nominated and won all kinds of awards for that.

Did we text about him today?

Sorry, go ahead.

I'm going to go back to the top now.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, please don't, please don't.

He has done and is doing a slew of cool stuff since then, but most recently, this hot shot has knocked me down and out, literally killed me in the incredibly satisfying and remarkably successful Netflix film called Carry On.

Guys, please say hello to Taryn Edgerton.

Oh, guys.

You guys didn't know.

You thought there's no way he knows him because he says he's looking forward to meeting him.

And then I switched it up.

There's less of a red herring and more of a lie.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, but fun.

Fun to lie.

My

sister loves that movie, Taryn.

No way.

Which one, Sean?

Carry on.

Carry on.

No, which sister.

Great film.

Great film.

Great bad guy in that.

Let Taryn talk.

Good morning, Taryn.

Hi, Taryn.

Good day.

How are you, guys?

Thanks so much for having me on.

Very excited you're here.

Very honored, Darling.

It's lovely.

lovely it's nice to see you jason you good good to see you i love the shaved head listener he's got he's got a real tight like a like a swim team almost marine type of shaved head i've done it twice and i loved it that's it streamlined yeah it's getting

to where i'm going quicker i just finished a movie where i had a kind of shaved head so it's still growing out yeah well you're keeping it i think so for now yeah for now through the summer because it's warm

through the summer although it doesn't get that warm when i grow it out anymore i'm not blessed like you guys are.

Wow.

You guys have got three very fine heads of hair.

No.

It's all fake.

Thanks.

Snap.

You want to see me talking snapped on?

Glue.

Now, where do we find you?

You're in Los Angeles?

No, I'm not.

I'm in Wales.

I got back from Australia a couple of weeks ago where I just finished the film and I've come home to see my family.

So I'm here for

two weeks before.

I've got questions about Wales.

Yeah.

You know,

we're kind of friendly with Gareth Bale.

Yes.

Wales' own Gareth Bale listener.

Celebrated son of Wales.

Celebrated.

Very celebrated.

And you've had Matthew Reese on the podcast.

Yeah,

we've had a few very distinguished, and now we've rounded it out.

We've had the most distinguished Welshman alive, I think.

Sweet Willie's done some time there in Wales.

I have.

I don't want to call it done some time.

I was able to enjoy some time in Wales for a few months

many years back

in Cardiff.

Beautiful country, man.

Beautiful.

Yeah, it's gorgeous.

So I'm from Aberystwyth, and

it's a stunning part of the world.

I'm further north, a couple of hours north.

But when I finish a job, I like to come back and just decompress, spend time with the...

Is that on the way to Snowdonia?

Is that in that kind of area?

If you're coming from Cardiff, it is, yeah.

It is right on the shore.

Snowdonia is a place in Wales?

Yeah.

Snowdonia is a place in Wales.

And the mountain at the centre of that area is called Snowdon.

And I think it might be the third or second highest peak in the UK, I think.

Sounds like a game at the end.

Which would make it good 60 or 70 feet tall.

Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly.

Now, tell me about what if

you're a dummy like me and you're like, hey, I don't know whether I should go to England or I should go to Wales.

What would be the biggest difference?

And be careful here because

you're surrounded by Welsh.

What's the big difference between Wales and England?

What would be...

Well, let's say there are quite distinct cultural differences.

We have a language here that we still speak you know really speak yeah in certain parts of the country people speak Welsh sometimes as a first language so you go it's not it's not English it's not English it's it's Welsh what's it sound like um it's much ol so it's much older than than English or you know

as as I understand it but it's very it's filled with kind of lots of very kind of um throaty guttural sounds.

Is it like I is it like

you really didn't know this?

It's got a lot of consonants next to each each other as well.

Yeah, exactly.

So

it sounds more like

Scots Gaelic or Irish Gaelic than English.

Yeah, yeah.

Can you give us just a little something?

The one that I'm always asked to do is

the village that I was raised in is the thing that I'm always asked to do on talk shows and things, because I was raised in a village called Shambar Pikwingiko Gerchen Robichanta Siliro Gogor.

Wow.

And then you get there and you bang a right.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Wow.

I wonder what that, what is that derived from?

Like,

it sounds almost German, but also real Nordic, right?

Yeah, there are bits of,

you see strange little crossovers between other languages in Europe.

So

there are things like you'll just find odd words that are very similar.

So German for rabbit is keninchen and Welsh for rabbit is kunningen.

So there's like really strange little bits of crossover that you find.

I got you.

Wow.

Is anything specific about about your welsh upbringing that has kind of shaped your perspective on

your your career like managing kind of the the the silliness and the nonsense sometimes that that that we all kind of enjoy slash navigate anything anything about your welsh upbringing that has specifically

suited you for that?

Well, I think I'm from a fairly kind of, you know, I'm not from a particularly affluent part of the world.

I'm from a very normal town, quite blue-collar, as you'd probably say.

Um, and I come from a place where people are quite,

I think, quite down-to-earth, quite relatable and real.

You know, a lot of my early adult life and the end of my teens was spent kind of

I don't know, we've got like the most pubs per square capita of anywhere in the country.

Really?

And it's and it's

less, less, less now, but I remember when I was coming up, you'd still see groups of older gentlemen who'd kind of spontaneously break out into song and sing kind of you know lovely harmonies and things we have a tradition of male voice choirs here in Wales and that's something that I think has kind of seeped into who I am and oh that's right would that would that explain uh your ability to sing I think in part, you know, most Welsh people have a go at some point, I think.

We have choirs are a big part of school life, certainly in my experience, anyway.

And I think that's something that I

that I've definitely carried forward into my life because I've done a couple of bits of singing, yeah.

So, Terren, so then how did you come from this sort of small town in Wales, you know, sort of out

in the sort of rural area, if you will?

Yes, in middle of nowhere, mate.

Middle of nowhere.

I didn't want to say that, but still, no, you're fine.

You're fine.

Okay, okay.

So, middle of nowhere, Wales, beautiful country, but middle of nowhere.

And then you end up, and now you're Taryn Edgerton movie star.

So

that's kind of a long way to go.

What was the first step in that to sort of move from there in that direction?

Well, thank you.

Thank you very much.

That's very nice of you to say.

But

it was a lot to do with the town I'm from, actually.

The town I'm from is called Aberystwyth, and

we have a great art centre.

And I joined a youth theatre there when I was 15.

I moved from one part of Wales to another when I was 12.

And I had a couple of years where I really struggled to acclimatize and make friends and meet new people.

And I joined a youth theater when I was 15 and it just felt like

the universe clicked into place.

You know, I found my tribe.

I felt like I had an aptitude to something which wasn't a feeling I'd really had before.

Was that something?

Sorry to interrupt you, but was that something that like your parents were like, oh, poor Taryn is not making friends and we keep moving around and maybe joining this theater group, honey.

You meet some friends or was it a passion you had for acting?

No, I don't.

I think it was, I think I just was watching other people do it from afar and started to get that itch and that craving.

And, and I always, I was, I think I always, even though, don't get me wrong, even though I was struggling to kind of acclimatize in a new place, I was still an insufferable attention-seeking class clown, you know, so it was, it was like an appealing out for that, I think.

Can't relate.

You know, it's funny, Sean, it's not dissimilar.

It's not dissimilar from you.

I'm all bits aside, right?

And what I was going to say was: it occurs to me, and this is nothing new, it's not breaking news, but there is a recurring theme here that we hear from a lot of people, a lot of performers, of how many times people when they're younger join a local theater group, a local theater, whatever, and how important these things are in our communities for being an outlet, not just an outlet for kids,

not as a conduit to superstardom, but just a place for kids who don't feel like they fit in

to find their voice.

That's right.

And how often we hear it and how important that is, and how much we need to protect that.

And because it's one of the few, I think so too.

I think it's one of the few places where it doesn't matter who you are,

what color your skin is, who you are, your gender, anything at all, everybody's welcome.

Yeah, team sports too.

Team sports, for sure.

And sports too.

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So you join this local youth theater and you find a place where you find your people, as it were.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's exactly what it felt like.

Found my tribe, and you know, what ensued between the ages of 15 and 19 were just these really

blissful years of being really creative, really social, really out of my shell.

And it was all kind of tied together through drama.

So I was, you know, I was getting involved with Shakespeare plays and more contemporary stuff.

And I just felt that I was in my groove, in my lane, really, really loved it.

And

I, um, by the time I was about 17,

I think I knew that I wanted to go to drama school.

And so I auditioned, and this ties back to me being the insufferable attention seeker.

The first year I auditioned,

I was rejected everywhere.

And from the limited amount of feedback I got,

they said that I was

a little underprepared and a little, maybe a little cocksure of myself.

And that really, really took me down a couple of pegs.

And

the following year.

But you took the note, but you took the note and recovered.

I've gotten that note.

It's debilitating.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think so.

I think so.

Bubble popping.

Did you have, was there,

was there a mentor in there?

Was there a person

in that journey or multiple people who you can identify as people who encouraged you and pushed you the right way?

Totally.

There's so many people.

I mean,

the first people to spring to mind are my my family.

So at that time,

we still rented the family home.

I've never wanted for anything growing up, but I'm not from an affluent background.

And

each audition for drama school.

cost somewhere in the region of 40 to 60 pounds.

And my my auntie paid for one, my father paid for one, my stepfather paid for one, my mother paid for one, and I paid for one.

And it was a real family effort to get me to this handful of auditions.

Wow.

And

I'm like picturing Charlie Babbitt and Charlie and Chocolate Factory.

Yeah, it was a lovely school.

It was on the same bed.

And then, yeah, the second year,

it all came together and I got a few offers at different drama schools.

And

yeah, and

the rest is history.

What monologues did you do for your auditions?

Do you remember?

Well, weirdly,

really weirdly, I was required to sing a song, and I did your song

by Elton Geoffrey and Bernie Torpen.

And then I did

Edmund, Thou Nature Art, My Goddess, which is a kind of classic, flashy, villain turn from King Lear.

And

I actually can't remember what my modern piece was.

But yeah.

That's so cool.

And what was your growing up?

First of all, two things.

One is when you said you were singing and stuff, I have a little tidbit.

I don't know if you're not.

So nothing you're going to say when you said your song, you're going to say my song, like $5 foot long.

Isn't that your song?

The subway.

That's his anthem, not his song.

$5

foot long.

So, no, one little tidbit, I don't know if it's true, but Irish dancing, you know how, have you ever seen Irish dancing when they don't?

Ankle slapping?

Yeah, where they don't move the upper part of their body.

They don't move the upper part of their body.

Do you know why?

Why?

Because I don't know if this is true, but in Ireland, dancing used to be against the law or something like that.

And so the the police used to walk by the pubs and so they didn't see the upper part of their body moving they would just move the bottom part of their legs god i hope and that's how it that's what i heard

god i hope it's not what do you mean you heard on what website are you doing

i i heard that growing up because i'm irish can we just can we watch them conjecture wherever we want now can we just like

i asked chat cheese

that's i mean i don't know if that's true that's true that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard no but isn't that interesting?

It makes sense because they don't move your upper body.

Your upper body's stiff.

No, sure.

And because there's windows that only go down to waist height throughout.

We understand.

I hope it's not true.

God, I hope it's not true and that you've been saying this forever.

All right, so, Taryn.

So the other thing is, what was your view from Wales?

What was your impression of America?

And was that different than when you actually arrived?

How early did you see Will and Grace?

And did that inspire you to make a trip across the Atlantic?

a huge part of my formative years i did i enjoyed that show very much

thank you thank you

uh i

i mean it was like it you know certainly when i started acting it's the perception of america is like i don't know um

i suppose uh the land of plenty i guess and you know and was that always the destination No, absolutely not.

No.

When I went to drama school,

I thought I'm going to be a theater actor and I thought I will get a couple of guest spots on the telly, and

that will pay my rent or pay the mortgage.

And I really, I really mean that.

It was a shock when films happened.

So that was the adult,

that was the life goal, the adult, the occupation sort of career goal was I'm going to be a working actor in the theater

and

a guest spot here or there on television will subsidize

keep the lights on.

Yeah, I mean, that would be incredible.

You know that was that was the dream and um

and so i remember i remember very clearly getting an offer for a drama school and sitting at the kitchen table with my mother and saying you know people who go who went to this drama school are on are on the tv and it was like a mind-blowing west end yeah yeah the west end you know the west end i remember i did a summer season production of Oliver when I was about 14, 15 and they had actors come up from London to play the adult roles.

And they were, you know, actors who'd been on the West End.

And it was like, you know, it was like Humphrey Bogart had just stepped into Avarice.

You know, it was that level of kind of grandeur.

And, friend, for Tracy, the West End is the London version of Broadway, just so myself.

Exactly.

So then, Taron, was there enough time for you to be comfortable with where you are today?

Because, dude, you're, are you even 30?

Like, you're not.

I am.

i'm i'm 35.

okay so then the amount of time is that's not enough that's not a lot it's not enough thanks like you know how long what is it it's like it's like 15 years i think somewhere in that ballpark yeah it's and you know what i i think there are times where there are it's like

with with the attention that comes with success as you will have all experienced There are days when you're really, really good at dealing with it.

And there are days where you feel robust enough to be available to everybody who comes up to you and asks for a photo or wants to have a conversation with you or asks if you'll record a bit for their daughter's 16th birthday right and then of course there are days where not even because something's bad's happened in your life there are days where you just you know i think there are days where i find it much harder and the common denominator is and i think what people don't always realize about you know people in our position is normally the days where you feel less good about being available to the public are days where you feel terrible about yourself.

The days where your relationship to self is so weak, whether it's because I listened to one of your episodes the other day, Sean, you know, you said that you'd eaten, I don't know, some mac and cheese at 11 p.m.

at night.

Good point.

I'm going to have to narrow down the episode.

But

the guy who wakes up the next day is not going to be as good at being the guy to take selfies as the guy who's just done 10 weeks eating chicken, broccoli, and rice and is kind of, you know, ready to go.

You know, right that's my experience of the world anyway so in answer to your question jason i find it at times i love it if i feel psychologically emotionally robust enough to be available for people i'm great at it yeah but it it chops and changes where did you have to be and you probably still it's an ongoing thing uh are you helpful to where you to your family and your friends like where you where you are right now you can't just like slide into whales you know fresh off the set down in australia and

expect everyone to be as kind of easy with the light switch as you are.

Like, do you have, you have to help them kind of intellectualize what's happened to their dear Taryn as well, right?

Like, now you're known all over the world and you've got all this money and all of this access.

And

so, I mean, there's a bit of a responsibility on your end to make them comfortable with it too, question?

Well, I think I'm lucky.

I'm from a well-adjusted, you know, my family are well-adjusted and cool and I think we're very

empathetic and understanding.

So they really see, I feel very seen very clearly by my family and by the people who are important to me in my life.

And I guess I feel like,

I guess I'd feel like, I don't know.

Sorry, I got distracted because I don't know if that was.

It was like a getaway car.

It was like some sort of souped up engine.

Mr.

Hayes.

And you know, to that point, Jason,

it's easy to kind of lament the drawbacks of being famous or noteworthy, but it's, it's, it's fucking, it's awesome to be successful.

It's awesome to do what you love.

It's awesome to be involved in telling stories and to have the money.

It's also really weird.

And it's, and it's okay to say, it's, it's very weird.

And I don't know if you guys have done this.

I, I've quite literally, and I'm sure members of my family are listening, sisters and, and, or mom or whatever, uh, and where I've had moments where I've said, hey, I'm really sorry.

that I put you in this position.

I didn't do it on purpose, but I'm,

you, you find yourself almost apologizing.

Well, sure, because

everyone's involved.

I mean, you know, Willie, you walk down the street with your kids and a photographer gets up in your face.

You kind of know how to flow with it, but maybe your kids

aren't even thinking about the fact that their dad is famous.

And that's like weird.

Can I tell you something funny that Abel, my 14-year-old, who's a really funny kid, said the other day.

We were talking about another friend of all of ours who's very, who's very well-known globally, and he was talking about them.

And he said, oh, man, thank God we're not that famous.

And what I found really funny drinking again.

What I found really funny about it was A, about like his sort of perception of where everything was on a scale and B, the weir of it all with his

guy.

It's a circus group.

I love that.

Wait, so Wilbank.

Go ahead.

No, I was going to ask, I'm excited to hear, I'm excited for your project with the one that's based on the conversation with john bishop yeah this thing on right yeah that's so that when i heard about that it was such a such a collision you're familiar with him yeah taron i know well i know him i've said hello to him a few times in passing at various things

um my family are from liverpool so you know there you go

anyone anyone from that part of the world is you know uh i kind of feel a vague affinity with but congrats on the championship let's get it out of the way yeah yeah yeah well yeah i mean it's obviously a terrible thing happened.

Yeah, but

what happened?

Some people were injured with a guy

who was celebration.

But yeah,

John's an amazing guy, proper Scouser.

I mean, you know, just a really cool dude.

And

got to know him a little bit.

And then we've, through that, sort of,

you know, inspired this.

Listener, this is, this is, they're talking about the

main figure that is the inspiration for Will's upcoming film with Bradley Cooper.

That's right.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We just finished.

Yeah, so yeah,

it was a lot of fun.

And he's such a great guy, and his life is fascinating.

Did you write some?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

That's cool.

With Mark Chappell, who's a friend of the podcast, Chappie.

We got it.

Magic card of the day.

And Bradley, of course, too.

So the three of us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And

so

had you not gotten into the Royal Academy,

was there, were you sort of getting ready to maybe do something else?

Because that was right at the age when you kind of had to decide, right?

Oh, man.

Like, that's a conversation that happens regularly in my family.

You know,

we have a lot of pinch-me I'm dreaming moments.

While I've been away filming

at the house I'm in now, we've been renovating for a long period of time and it's kind of just coming to fruition.

It's just coming together.

And,

you know, it's been made possible largely through what's happened happened to me in my life.

And

we did have that conversation over dinner the other day.

You know, what the fuck would you have done if you hadn't been an actor?

Because I can't do anything else.

I can't do anything else.

You bet, but like getting ready for this podcast was so stressful because it involved me opening a MacBook and

changing the settings and plugging a mic into the device.

These things are totally beyond my abilities.

I'm the world's weakest millennial.

Well, first of all, it should be noted, Taryn, we've done over 250 episodes.

I don't know if you watched Sean this morning trying to do it.

Yeah.

He couldn't connect again.

250.

Imagine if he was our pilot.

I can't connect thoughts, let alone a computer.

So then, Taryn, it would be safe to say you probably would have been more on the labor side of things.

Well, I don't know.

Honestly, you really don't know.

You mean pushing a wheelbarrow?

Is that what you're saying?

Swinging a hammer, you know, whatever it is.

Yeah, maybe, wow, yeah, swinging a hammer.

There's people who'd laugh at at the prospect of me swinging a hammer.

I can't put up a set of shelves.

I don't know.

I think

I think I'd have figured something out, but it's true that acting is the only thing that I ever felt a huge, yeah, kind of cosmic pull towards.

And I love it.

I absolutely love it.

Could have been singing.

Yeah.

Now, I did not know this.

You correct me if I'm wrong because I'm just, you know, Wikipedia is my research partner.

You

sang with Sir Elton John, recorded

the song that won an Academy Award for best original song.

I mean,

huh?

Wait, what?

So, did you see, you sang with him on

that song?

Yeah, so, so he, it's in the movie.

It's in the movie Rocket Man.

I love the movie.

Great.

Thanks, Sean.

I think it's the credit song, and

it's a song that he and Bernie wrote for the movie that we sing as a, as a duet.

I think it's like a call and response sort of deal, you know?

And yeah, they won an Oscar for it, yeah.

They, you, you, you sang how you, it's a duet.

So you, you, do you get to, you get to hold the Oscar for a couple of months a year?

Yeah, no.

I think, uh, I think the Oscars are reserved for the chaps

who wrote it, you know?

But still, I mean, talk about a pinch-me moment.

I mean, that was incredible.

Did you sing with him in the studio or did you do your part and then later they recorded his part?

No,

we went in and sang together in the studio.

um it was a lovely it was a lovely experience that's pretty wild of course by this time you guys were probably close buddies because was was he a part of your early research auditioning uh etc etc yeah so i he

it i sang um i'd say the the animated movie that you mentioned when you when you introd me is called sing and i

sang i'm still standing in that movie and

then then in the kingsman sequel, Elton came along and played himself.

And through that, through those two things,

the conversation around me playing him in Rocketman came about and grew from there.

So, wait, wait,

did the two of you kind of have that conversation on the set and you guys decided, well, maybe we should go out and kind of pitch this together?

Matthew Vaughan, who directed the Kingsman films and has produced a couple of other things that I've been in as well,

David Furnish and Elton had

formed a friendship.

And I think the Rocketman project,

in the iteration it was in at that time, because there was a different director and a different actor attached, had stalled.

And

we were there to kind of step in, basically.

Yeah.

That's cool.

Nothing if not opportunistic.

I love that.

Well, listen, I mean, it's a right place, right time.

That's a famous, you know, part of our,

and the movie, like, when I saw the movie, you were so great in it I love I love that movie I have notes you have noticed is the picture locked because I didn't

no but when I was watching I was like oh well the next logical move is to make the movie a stage musical

yes I've thought the same thing yeah right I mean it's like done it's all done and so I just didn't know if you wanted to ever

if you were part of that conversation or whatever no no I'm sure it's occurred to them David and Elton you know they obviously I know that they've got various irons in the fire with theatrical

endeavors, and I'm sure it's occurred to them.

You're friends with Elton, right?

Yeah, yeah,

we've hung out for many.

I don't know

whether they've ever considered it seriously, but I don't think it would involve me.

It's one of those things that I'm so it was such a moment in my life and something I'm so fiercely proud of that I'm yeah, I just wouldn't want to touch it for sure.

You already did it.

Yeah, you already did it.

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Well, a completely different

experience with the success of a project than what you experienced on

your other projects that have been equally successful.

I mean, you know, I would imagine that the Kingsman process was

probably more startling and challenging to you because it was the first big splash into public.

Yeah, that was, I mean, you know, I'm very, I'm really grateful for it.

It was the thing that made my name.

And

I really, that first film, especially, I really, I do think is kind of cool.

And they're incredibly well made.

I mean,

I'm sure we could do a whole podcast on the process of making those things with the stunts and the intricacies of the camera work and stuff.

It's just stunning stuff.

Yeah, it was really well done.

But

it was a lot.

I was 23, and I remember I was making a TV show.

I was a year out of drama school, and I was filming a TV show for Sky in the UK.

And I remember I got an email from my agent, and at the time it was called Huntsman and Son, and it didn't have the script, but it had two scenes in it.

And one of the scenes was the scene where I first meet Colin Firth's character in the pub.

And I didn't know Colin was involved.

I didn't know Michael Cain was involved.

I didn't know anyone was involved.

But I read the scene.

And

I don't know how you guys, but I don't know about about you guys, but I find that whenever I'm excited about a piece of writing, I start reading it aloud.

And that's how normally how I know that it's something like I do that, you know?

And

I was, I know the street corner I was on in London, and I was reading this scene, and I started reading it aloud.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you selling newspapers?

Yeah, I really want to be a sandwich board.

No,

I was in Hoban, and

I just

popped the email open,

started reading it.

And as I read, I kid you not, I read the scene and I thought,

that's my part.

I've got to get that part.

Wow.

That's my part.

And I've never actually had it since.

I've never had that level of super.

They say nowadays you manifested it.

Yeah, well, it felt like these hippie-dippy kids.

No, come on, man.

You got to put it.

I tell you a film of yours, Terren, that I really love.

I loved all your films, man.

You're good.

Carry on.

Sorry.

I never saw that one.

Is that the one?

Is that the one where

your character wore a ball cap?

What a choice.

Listen.

What a fucking, oh man,

a fucking ball cap.

You guys see what he's doing?

No, I was just

told.

I don't know what shut up.

No, we're not going to cut that.

We're going to loop it.

Did you guys see Taryn in Tetris?

I loved that movie, man.

I want to see that.

It's such a great, great, cool film about how that game came about.

I love that game.

It's a fascinating story, isn't it?

It's a really fascinating story.

Yeah, it's cool.

You think you're one of about 27 people who saw it, so I'm really thrilled.

Thanks for that.

It's a great little movie, man.

It's about the guys that designed that game.

Yeah.

It is.

It's about, well, it sounds so dry.

It's about the guy who...

licensed the game for distribution in globally from memory and his relationship with the designer who

who designed who you know designed the game in Russia before the war in 89.

So,

yeah,

it's a fun movie

that was released on Africa.

It's amazing, and people are trying to sort of muscle their way into grab the license for it because they understand the impact that it's going to have.

It's fascinating for you.

Well, I do like the game, so I'll watch the movie.

Oh, thanks for

so much.

What did Trina think of the game?

Does it cut into your candy crush hours?

Or does I have to?

Well, the irony is that you do have such a crush on candy.

It's so true.

But wait, go back to the America thing for just a second, Taryn.

Okay.

No, because I want to know, like, so I got your impression that, you know, because I'm always fascinated with the perspective of people in other countries that come here and work here.

What was it like when you first worked here?

And was it everything that you thought it would be or what not

it was better i i love america i bought a home in america i i

you feel comfortable here i absolutely do and you know i i get

whenever i have you know meetings with prospective i don't know directors or writers quite often people ask what is the perception of america now given everything that's happening yeah we'd like to know that please go ahead and i don't know i think it depends on who you are but my experience of america regardless of where you go and i've visited you know various places not just

New York and LA, but the people in America are, from my experience, generally,

it's just a wonderful place.

I remember when I first landed in New York, I had a really weird feeling that I was like, I don't know if it's because I've watched Home Alone too many times, but it felt like coming home.

There's a warmth and an,

I think, historically,

like there's an ink, there is an inclusiveness at the heart of what America is, it seems to me, that I really love about it.

Yeah, melting pot.

Yeah, and I

have nothing.

I mean, as I say,

I have a house in California that

I, you know, split my time between.

That's great.

Yeah, I love being in the States.

Why?

What's your fear, Sean?

No, no, I like to know different people's perception because I find it fascinating.

I mean, when I go over to London or people ask the same thing, what do you think of London?

What do you think of England?

Whatever.

And I absolutely love it over there.

I mean i haven't been to wales but i need to go to wales yeah i'd like to go to wales yeah and i suppose i mean but it strikes me that like you know you have such microcosmic identities when you move from one place to another in a country like if you spent a weekend in liverpool it's going to be vastly different from your experience you know in edinburgh or whatever right and i walk around london last time i was there just a couple months ago and i'm like you know everywhere you go it's incredible history which we don't have here and so and i talk to people about it and they're like and this one this one girl I know over there, she's like, Yeah, I always forget to look up.

I'm like, What do you mean?

I always look

to look up and look at these historical buildings because everybody's just so used to it.

So, fresh eyes is really cool.

That's what I've always asked people who aren't from here, what do your fresh eyes see?

Yeah, you know, now, um, Taryn, you know, you are managing to knock off uh really great commercial projects, really good sort of like artistic projects.

Like is

this just

dumb luck?

No.

You're doing some sort of

really good deliberate work in choosing what you do.

What is the perfect project kind of look like to you?

Is it about the part?

Is it about the people involved?

Is it

the theater versus streaming versus theatrical?

What do you look for?

I don't know.

I mean, you operate within the constraints of

what you're asked to do and you can all the rule, the grass is always greener.

I could be, you know,

I could let a side of myself out where I would

lament not doing certain things and there are things that I would love to be doing, but you have, you have to focus on the things that are available to you.

And I'm so lucky.

And I do get offered things that feel

I try, I know that I try and look for things that feel different from a character perspective.

So I'm not comfortable.

I don't like the idea of being

pigeonholed and put in a box or whatever.

I mean, in fact, you know, when we did Carry On, my biggest concern about a picture.

Oh, it's funny!

Ah, Bravo!

The only thing that happened when they rolled credits is I wish they would carry on this picture.

Sorry, we'll get him out soon.

He's running around the balcony.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I was.

I worried that it was too, that it was too

vanilla or whatever, or it was too near to me.

It was a kind of average Joe guy.

And I suppose the actors that I look up to and really admire and revere are the actors who try and stretch themselves and

have a whiff

and a missing tooth and a weird accent.

Oh,

I heard that.

But I try and look for things like, you know, when I, when I, after Elton, I, you know, I went and did the show for Dennis Lane, Blackbird, which I felt satisfying because it felt

like it was.

Oh, my God.

I definitely like doing things that feel different.

I suppose I aspire to be, you know, like a...

I like character actors.

I like actors who are different from one thing.

As a character actor, yeah.

And unfortunately, you're too goddamn good looking to be a true character actor.

So you have to act your way into that perception and you're doing it.

And you're getting getting opportunities now with scripts that lend itself to that.

And so, yeah, you know, it's you.

I'm gonna ask you the Jason Baby question, which is: you've been doing it now for a while, and you've done a lot of great work.

Do you see yourself doing different stuff as in

directing?

That's a great question, or writing something.

That's a great question.

It's kind of where I was.

I don't know.

I mean, you know, I feel I listened, I listened to

you guys talking with Jude Law, and he summed it up pretty quickly.

Why do we all die with things?

We have got to get a collar on that guy.

He's disrupting the record.

No, go ahead.

Please go ahead.

But I feel that way.

It scares me, you know, and I have such admiration for anyone who makes that leap because I'd love to

absolutely love to do it.

Of course I would.

But I.

What's going on with Smoke?

What's going on?

This is the Apple show that's coming out on June 27th.

Yes.

What drew you to it?

What is it about?

Is this going to be different than the thing that immediately precedes it?

Like

as you're just talking about doing?

Yeah, I think so.

I think it's definitely different from anything I've done before.

So it's created by Dennis Lahane, who was the creator, show owner of Blackbird.

And when we finished shooting that show,

he

approached me about doing another story.

And

it's one of those, the trailer's out, it's just come out, but it's one of those that's really hard to describe.

But the user-friendly log line is: I play an arson investigator who is having

very, very limited success catching two prolific arsonists in a fictional town called Umberland.

And

a police detective is brought in to help him solve these arsons, basically.

And that role is played by Jerny Smollett.

And

what you learn over the course of the show is that he is

harboring some secrets.

And

it's one of those shows where

I don't really know.

This is the first bit of press I'm doing for it.

And I have no idea how to promote it without kind of giving it away.

But is there enough in there to craft some sort of logo?

But basically, for anyone who's seen Blackbird, it's a kind of sister piece, I suppose.

Well, Dennis Lahane, I mean, it's this guy, tip-top.

I mean,

now, Taryn,

you're drunk, you're out at a karaoke bar, you're feeling good.

Yeah, what's your go-to karaoke song?

Yeah, Faith, George Michael.

Oh, yeah, you got it, I bet that's good.

Faith, George Michael, is a good one.

It didn't take you a long time to answer that.

How many times have you seen that?

No,

that's a long-standing one.

And it depends on the mood as well.

You know, if it's like a kind of,

I don't know, if I'm looking for a bit more gravitas, maybe a couple of radio head numbers or like bones

or sulk

or you know really dirty, maybe like Blackstar or something like that.

Yeah,

that's off the first album.

I love that you have a few available.

Jason,

yeah, mine's just, I'm just on the Uber app looking for a ride out of there.

Mine's the theme to the greatest American hero.

Is that true?

Okay.

Yeah, remember that?

Believe it or not, I'm walking on it.

Remember that song?

Mine is No Joke.

Mine is Crazy by Patsy Klein.

Always.

Really?

Crazy.

Yeah.

What do you mean, always?

How much time are you doing in a karaoke bar?

I'm doing a lot of karaoke, man.

Once a week?

You don't know my life.

I don't know.

Do you sing, Jason?

I don't.

Not even in the shower.

No.

Next question.

Which is why

I want to hear you sing so bad.

Not even start drinking yet.

There's so little joy in your spiritual.

Literally, the last time I sang was in a karaoke bar doing press for Horrible Bosses 2.

and I think I was still drinking.

Wasn't I?

Maybe.

No, I don't know.

No, you weren't.

No way, right?

And you did karaoke?

I did.

And fucking Sudakis, this guy, you know, this guy's a natural performer.

He's a talent.

He can sing and dance.

I'd love to see

a SmackDown between you and Sudakis.

Yeah,

I think Taryn would take him down, though.

But that would be a real, that'd be a heavyweight.

He's got a voice.

He sings.

He's got a voice, and he's also just got like,

the guy's not uncomfortable with the microphone in his hand.

hand yeah he's great

yeah yeah i'm i sort of find it easier when there's a there's a character i can hide behind right so the show the show they wrote in a whole bit in this new show i have coming out called smoke where my guy is obsessed with karaoke oh really partly partly because they knew i could sing and I find I noticed that I find it much easier to do it on set as a as a character than if I do do it in my own personal life

at a pub or something.

Yeah, I find it quite stressful.

Yeah, right.

No, we're all like that.

I

it's it's called I Hate Being Me.

Also, a good thing for a blank bumper sticker, Willie, if you get a second one.

No, it's blank t-shirts that I have.

I hate being me, is so true.

I hate being ellipses, and then on the back, just put me.

Okay, make a moment.

We love you, Jason.

We love you.

Thank you.

I'll tell you who we do love.

Taryn Anderson.

Ah, yeah.

For joining us today.

You are something else.

You are something else.

Thanks for having me.

I love anyone who cares in Wales.

If you see Gareth Bale, tell him to send me the money.

And,

you know, best of luck with Smoke.

Smoke.

Smoke on Apple TV.

It's on Apple TV.

I can't wait to watch that.

When did it come out?

It comes out on the 27th of June.

Day after my birthday.

Oh, no way.

So for my birthday, we'll watch it.

Tracy, Sean's birthday is the day he was born.

That's pretty, that's safe to say.

Are you registered anywhere, Seani?

I'll email you.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm registered.

Taryn, love you.

I love seeing you again.

I miss you, my friend.

Nice to meet you, Taryn.

Say hi when you come back to LA.

Yeah, I will, mate.

Take it easy.

Pleasure.

All right, my friend.

Thank you very much.

Bye, Taryn.

Bye-bye.

Bye, you guys.

Bye, Tara.

Bye bye.

Bye.

Bye.

Okay, so anyway, so Taryn was amazing.

It was so good.

I love having Taryn.

It was so good.

Oh, you're just trying to get to your bye?

Are you excited about your bye?

No, no, but it was just because he was once he was gone, and then it was like the rush to see who was going to talk for us.

Look how flushed he is, Sean.

I think did Taryn leave a mark on you well?

He did.

I liked him a lot.

Right, that's it.

Yeah, I liked him a lot.

He's got a great vibe.

Yeah,

I'm just saying.

Fucking breathing head.

He said he was single, right?

I'm passing out.

Somebody lay me down.

Call a grown-up.

Call a grown-up.

No, that's a good-looking male.

Hey, another

male.

Don't objectify Terry Edgerton.

He's a good, good, good guy.

Very, very good guy.

Great actor.

And very smart, good hat on his shoulders, focused.

Isn't like,

you know, he doesn't seem like he'd fall off the rails in any way.

And he said he's intentionally very low temperature, like very even-keeled.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not some ninny.

Okay.

You know, whales should be proud.

Oh, whales.

I'm sure they are.

I'm sure they are beyond proud.

So, Sean, how's the search going?

Oh, good.

This Sunday, this Sunday, Scotty and I are going to

my friend Kevin's birthday party in Ojai.

Oh, yes.

This is a long.

This is a really long party.

Yeah, so it's north of here.

It's called Ojai, not to be confused with.

No way.

No fucking

way.

Don't even fucking say that.

What are you talking about?

What are you doing?

What are you talking about?

That's dude.

Sacramento.

What are you doing?

What?

Yeah.

No, but you know what?

Wait, what was that father joke you said at the beginning?

The dad joke?

That was so good.

The teacher.

Yeah, I said, what?

Oh, wait, where is it?

Oh, yeah.

Private school.

What do you call a teacher who never farts in public?

Yeah, private tutor.

Private tutor.

You know, he did that.

He did the rocket.

Rocket man as well.

Right?

Which was such a great.

And one of my favorite episodes.

Favorite songs

ever.

Good.

Goodbye.

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