"Daniel Craig"

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Speaker 2 All right, so we're having a cold open

Speaker 2 contest right here.

Speaker 2 We're trying to create the world's worst cold open.

Speaker 2 Well, not yet. I'm just teeing it up.
Will, would you like to start the world's worst cold open?

Speaker 1 Hey, man, it's freezing in here. Who left the door open? It's good.
Pretty good. Welcome to Smartless.
Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Let us.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Let us.

Speaker 2 It feels like we haven't done this for quite a while.

Speaker 2 I miss you guys.

Speaker 2 We canceled a record last week, I think.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 2 so it's been a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 Is that right?

Speaker 1 It's been a few weeks. We saw each other Saturday.
We did.

Speaker 1 We did.

Speaker 2 But we haven't done this.

Speaker 1 This. We haven't done this in quite a while.
We haven't.

Speaker 1 Jay, how's your sty, by the way? Jason's got a big stye in his right eye.

Speaker 2 It's disgusting.

Speaker 1 Are we going wide on this? I guess I can lean in

Speaker 2 the screen camera here.

Speaker 1 There's a little.

Speaker 1 You know what? It actually looks.

Speaker 1 Is it better?

Speaker 2 I started an antibiotic last night, so that's supposed to

Speaker 1 be in the...

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 You wanted to wait two weeks just to make sure.

Speaker 2 It's all about trying to find the right doctor.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So anyway, so I think I'm with the right one now.
And this, what is now a ball bearing of pus that it will not release from my eyelid, I think is going to start to lessen and

Speaker 1 disappear. So you found a a full release doctor?

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And insurance covered it all. Stupid.
It was a small copay, but I feel like the term doctor might be pretty loosely applied.

Speaker 1 Jay, I'm not even. Jason, I'm not even kidding.
Will you please, will you please video?

Speaker 2 There is not going to be I asked him to drain me yesterday.

Speaker 1 Hang on. Hang on.
Again, this is the doctor. Can I get the number? Because I feel like we're getting our signals.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He said, no, just take this pill and you should be okay soon.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 stand by. I hope so.
I hope so.

Speaker 2 Until then, I'm going to wear these glasses so people don't really see it.

Speaker 1 Which is different because Sean, you told me once that a guy gave you a pill and then he drained you. Is that true?

Speaker 1 All for pretty affordable cocoa.

Speaker 1 You woke up and you had been drained. Yeah, but I willing.

Speaker 1 But I willingly took the pill. I know you.
By the way, speaking of stuff, I'm making this up. Yesterday,

Speaker 1 somehow I got in the subject. Oh, I was talking about this Saturday, too.

Speaker 1 I YouTubed childbirth. I've never seen a childbirth.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I kind of wanted to just see it.

Speaker 2 Hang on, how does your day, how does your day kind of like kind of lay out where you find yourself on a YouTube search and then specifically for childbirth?

Speaker 1 Because I was talking to my friend Kevin about it and Carrie and she, and I don't know,

Speaker 1 friends of the podcast. Yeah, that's correct.
And all of us. And so, yeah, but they,

Speaker 1 I don't know, we got on the subject of childbirth. Oh, because a friend of mine, because a friend of mine, a friend of ours, just had a baby.

Speaker 1 And Chris Pratt and Catherine Schwarzenegger had a baby boy. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's right. Congrats to them.

Speaker 2 Wait, do we need to sway? We need to send it.

Speaker 1 We got to send them something.

Speaker 1 Do you think they're registered? Some smartless sway. No, I'll put my name on it.
I'll put your names on it. I sent something, but I'll put your names on it.
Thanks. So you saw the childbirth in.

Speaker 1 What was your no? So I was talking to people about, and I was like, wow. I mean, I'd know

Speaker 1 it comes out of there.

Speaker 1 I had no idea that to watch it actually being uh-huh to come out and the head comes out all elongated yes and the whole body comes first time I saw it I thought something was wrong I was there I was there for the birth of all three of my brothers

Speaker 1 and and they were

Speaker 1 they were all all three were um were uh cesarean c-sections which was that's tough to watch it that's what that was my point you empty out the whole market there dude and i'm like and i'm like yeah it's gonna be fun i remember the first time being like, it's going to be fun.

Speaker 1 And then looking and just going, oh,

Speaker 2 stomach, intestines, spleen, liver, everything on the table.

Speaker 1 By the way, you know what a platinum gay is? A baby that comes out who turns out to be gay who never even went through the canal

Speaker 1 had a C-section. So not only

Speaker 1 once touched

Speaker 1 or been through it.

Speaker 1 Is a platinum gay. That's a real term.
Platinum. Yeah.
Gay. It means your

Speaker 1 mom had a C-section. Is that a whole section on Grinder? Is that like a different.

Speaker 2 All right. And with that, we'll get to our guest.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Guys.

Speaker 1 How is that possible?

Speaker 2 Guys, we rarely have members of the military on the show.

Speaker 2 Even more rare are members of the British military. Today, we have a commander of the Royal Navy.
All right. But this is not just a soldier.
His interests include rugby.

Speaker 1 Churchill? Clearing.

Speaker 2 I'm going to have to start over now.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't want to be interrupted during my. I spent a long time writing these.
Christ. Guys, we rarely have members of the military on the show.

Speaker 2 Even more rare are members of the British military. Today we have a commander of the Royal Navy, but this is not just a soldier.

Speaker 2 His interests include rugby, clearing minefields, Shakespeare, Liverpool soccer, Will, solving mysteries, and shaking martinis.

Speaker 1 Guys?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 It's Daniel Craig. No way!

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.
Yep. Oh, my God.
I wanted to meet you for so long. Right there.
That's so cool. Well, here here we are.
Will take it easy. Well, I know, I didn't know that you were a Liverpool supporter.

Speaker 1 This is great news.

Speaker 2 You would have covered that before when you guys met?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would have.

Speaker 2 Wait, Daniel, I think I know what hotel room you're in.

Speaker 1 You've been in this hotel room.

Speaker 2 You're at the Four Seasons last year. How did you guess?

Speaker 1 Is that true? Because you're on the junk kit, right? Are you on the junk kit?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've been coming to this hotel for like 35 years.

Speaker 1 Same room.

Speaker 1 Daniel, did they make that jacket in men's or? Hey, Sean. Wow.

Speaker 2 This is one of the first minutes.

Speaker 1 We're off. Good.
Excellent.

Speaker 1 I actually love it. I actually love it.
Wait.

Speaker 1 Sean. No, no, no.
I actually really like that jacket.

Speaker 2 Sean, do you know Daniel? I don't.

Speaker 1 I've never met you, obviously.

Speaker 1 It doesn't seem like it. No, he's very.
I'm a massive, massive fan. Massive.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And Will, you have met Mr. Craig.

Speaker 1 We have met. We hung out.
We had, we watched watched the Super Bowl together, right, Daniel? Yes, we did. That's great.

Speaker 1 And then we went. And end up in the chateau?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Was that after? I can't remember. That's two separate incidents, but there's probably a same night.
We had a lot of alcohol. I know that.
Yeah, we ended up in the chateau with Krisinski and Sean Penn.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy, I'm drunk already.

Speaker 1 It's so fucking Hollywood. It's just a lot of fun.
It was very Hollywood. It sounds like a bit, but it's actually

Speaker 1 a great group to drink with.

Speaker 2 Where Where was I, damn it?

Speaker 1 In a facility. I was probably in a facility somewhere figuring stuff out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it was Family Weekend at Betty Ford.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 Sean, we're going to get, Sean, we're going to get to the time when Daniel was a stormtrooper in Star Wars. We're going to get to that.

Speaker 1 I know exactly which one he was. How about that? Come on, truly? Of course I do.

Speaker 2 So this is not something that I just discovered on Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 No, it's the one where he says, where she plays the mind trick and you will walk away and drop your weapon. I will walk away and drop my weapon.
You dropped your weapon. You walked out of the scene.

Speaker 1 Wait,

Speaker 2 you spoke.

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't want to, but

Speaker 1 I just said, you know, dub me, Christ's sake. I don't need, but then I had to.

Speaker 2 But that's a bump. You know, you speak as a stormtrooper.

Speaker 2 That's a bump into.

Speaker 1 Do you think I got one? Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 1 They didn't even give me that. They didn't even give me the uniform.
That's the only thing I wanted was the uniform. It's like, give me the helmet at least.

Speaker 2 How did that come about? What do you build even? Were you visiting on the set and they said, here's an extra.

Speaker 1 We were about to start, I don't know which bond it was.

Speaker 1 You lose track.

Speaker 1 It was the last one. No, no, it wasn't.
No, it was way before that. It must have been Spectre,

Speaker 1 because we were prepping and I knew the guys who I knew all the crew, the ADs who worked on,

Speaker 1 and I'd sort of like,

Speaker 1 you drifted over to the stage?

Speaker 1 Really? And I kind of went, come on, come on, put me me in uniform for me. Yeah, I love that.
I love that. Come on, truly.
Is that the way that it went? It went exactly. And they were all right.

Speaker 1 I was half joking, thinking they were just going to tell me where to get off.

Speaker 1 How long of a day was that? Too fucking long.

Speaker 1 You know, that kind of regrets of like sort of think, oh, no, I'll be an extra. Oh, yes, great.
Oh,

Speaker 1 how many hours we

Speaker 1 were in the back of shot for? This is like, they were very good. They were great.
I do remember wearing, because, you know, those

Speaker 1 suits are, I mean, they're basically hard plastic and kind of, you know, they're not comfortable. I mean, God, how, God knows how they wore them out in the desert when they do those.

Speaker 1 But I all remember that it sort of was a little bit big for me and it sort of rested on my thumb and my thumb was numb for three days afterwards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I'd like, and I was like, the price I pay, and I didn't get a bump. Right.
So no bump, no helmet, no, no, nothing.

Speaker 1 You got a bump at the chateau.

Speaker 1 Sean, Sean wants to know: did you meet the mayor of Tatooine?

Speaker 1 Fucking grow up, Sean.

Speaker 1 I would kill. I would kill.

Speaker 2 He's going to double back to this.

Speaker 1 I know it.

Speaker 2 All right. Now,

Speaker 1 Daniel,

Speaker 1 do you have all the questions?

Speaker 1 I've got so many. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And these two just fuck with you and stop you answering the questions. Well, that's the way it goes.

Speaker 1 That's the way it goes.

Speaker 1 What happens when, like, in the reveal and the other two go, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 That must happen, sure.

Speaker 1 It does. It just happened not out loud.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Now, let's just, can we, I'm going to qualify this by saying,

Speaker 2 I'll bet, I'm going to ask you some questions that you've answered a thousand times. And I want you to be patient with us because we're dumb people that aren't fully researched.
We're not journalists.

Speaker 1 We're terrible interviewers.

Speaker 2 Come at you with just dumb questions. Okay.

Speaker 1 Why do I feel like I'm being hustled here

Speaker 1 welcome to smarland um

Speaker 2 now what about i i

Speaker 1 can we can we start at can we start at the beginning sure all right all right so you're in liverpool all right yes and by the way you gotta see daniel picture the scene

Speaker 1 okay so it's gray

Speaker 2 hissing with rain now um was there was there was there an influence there mom or dad mom

Speaker 2 mom was was an

Speaker 1 art teacher. Art teacher.
Oh, wow. That's cool.

Speaker 2 And so she sort of exposed you to the arts a little bit. She took you to movies or to plays or whatnot.
How did the spark start?

Speaker 1 Plays were the thing.

Speaker 1 There was a theatre in Liverpool at the time, the 70s, still is called the Everyman Theatre, which was a really, was kind of a hotbed of

Speaker 1 talent, as they say, and at the time in the 70s.

Speaker 1 But her friends...

Speaker 1 I'd been at Liverpool Art College and a lot of them had gone into the theatre, stage design and

Speaker 1 things. And those were her kind of friends.
She was a single mum.

Speaker 1 And we used to kind of end up going there most nights to the theater just to sort of hang out. There was a kind of, you know, they had a bistro there that served cheap food.

Speaker 1 And it was a subsidized theatre and they did this thing where it was like a, you know, there was a pound a ticket.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like it was the whole thing was supposed to be so everybody could afford to go. And they and they made, they did some off-the-charts plays, but it meant that I spent sort of,

Speaker 1 you know, evenings backstage at the theater. And

Speaker 1 you that'll do it to you. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, that's where all the fun happens. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And this is something that mom really likes. It seems pretty cool

Speaker 2 and on and on and on. Right.

Speaker 1 And, you know, actors kind of like, you know, come in, you know, meet actors afterwards. I'm seeing them and I thought they were, I thought they were gods.
And then I just realized they were drunk.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they were drunk, but it's very complete.

Speaker 1 But they were drunk, but at the same time, at that age, at that age, if you're quite young and you're an adolescent, you're a teenager, whatever it is, when you're exposed to that kind of thing in that kind of world, it does give you that perspective that other kids your age don't have.

Speaker 1 And you, right? Because you're spending a lot of time with adults who are talented, who are creative.

Speaker 1 And when you get that fire kind of sparked at that age, I think it's pretty cool. And yeah, I mean, I definitely, and it really did.
It went in. That's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's all I wanted to do. But it also gave me this sort of thing, you're watching the way a theater works and the way that professionals work and all that.

Speaker 1 It also kind of went, oh, this is a job as well. You could see that it's kind of a couple of things.
Lots of things happen.

Speaker 2 When was the first time you thought, oh, this is something that I might not embarrass myself doing? When did the first time you thought, I might,

Speaker 1 what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Second Bond film. Second Bond film.

Speaker 1 The drinking component helps with that. I still feel like I'm embarrassing myself.

Speaker 1 But I mean, but like,

Speaker 2 was it a school play where you're like, oh, I don't suck at this, or I'm getting a couple of pats on the back?

Speaker 1 I got roped into a school play. I mean, I kind of did one of those things where I think I kind of had a couple of days off or whatever.
I got the mumps or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 And I came back and I'd been cast in the school play. And it was like, do you remember what it was? It was Oliver.
Yeah. And I was like, oh, wow.

Speaker 1 I wasn't Oliver.

Speaker 1 Sadly.

Speaker 1 I was Mr. Sowersbury, which is the part that's not in the movie that kind of was in the musical and got, you know, for good reason, got written out

Speaker 1 of the movie.

Speaker 2 Was it a spicy character, though?

Speaker 1 He's an undertaker. You got to pick a pocketer, too, right? You got to pick a pocketer.
I didn't get to do that, no, sadly, yeah. I know, you got to pick a pocketer, too.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's still a credo you live by.

Speaker 1 Right, so you do that, you get a cut, you get a couple of out-a-boys, a couple of pats on the back, and you're like, all right, well, I'm going to lean into this a little bit.

Speaker 2 And you started maybe a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know about you guys. I mean, you must have all done a school play at some point.
It's just that kind of mass hysteria thing that kind of happens.

Speaker 1 It's which is, I mean, I, you know, my kids do school plays, I love that kind of just like the level of like, oh my God,

Speaker 1 which is like, it's kind of, it stays with you. It kind of

Speaker 1 I got asked to be in the school play and I think it was because I'm quite sure, never can totally confirm, quite sure it was because I was such a loudmouth

Speaker 1 in the ass. What? No.
Yeah, if you can believe it. And

Speaker 1 they were like, fuck, how do we,

Speaker 1 is there somewhere we can find like either a room that's

Speaker 1 soundproof or somewhere we can take that fucking energy that's driving everybody crazy?

Speaker 1 By the way, by the way, HMS pinafore. And I was like, okay.
Yeah, that's it. I mean, Will, the same thing.
The same thing. People were like, God, you're fucking loud and annoying.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, and I did Shakespeare 12, Shakespeare's 12th night. Well, that's not.
And I was Sir Andrew Agucheek. I had no idea what I was saying.

Speaker 1 And until I got in front of the audience, then it kind of clicked. And every word, every line that was a comedy line got a laugh.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 what is that? What is that? What is that about? Yeah, that's crazy. We started feeling that.

Speaker 1 The ultimate drug you want to take.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm like, fuck you. This loudmouth's going to keep going.

Speaker 2 No, Daniel, you are very, very funny. Like, you know,

Speaker 2 the knives out.

Speaker 1 No, the knives out stuff was like.

Speaker 1 Someone said you're very, very, very funny. I guess like, am I?

Speaker 2 No, but it's well, but maybe it's because people weren't expecting because you've done so much incredible dramatic work.

Speaker 1 So moody for the 50 years.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we do what we get, you know, but like now, are you starting to

Speaker 2 pursue, raise your hand, get more scripts that are more comedic? And is that something that is exciting to you?

Speaker 1 Please say yes. I never, yes.
Okay. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Why don't you give me the questions and I'll just

Speaker 1 build the answer.

Speaker 1 The answer is always built in. And so then

Speaker 1 he likes to bring

Speaker 1 the guest into the inevitable, really interesting yes or no.

Speaker 1 Is that how we go out on this? I can't wait.

Speaker 1 50 questions, yes or no. It's easy.

Speaker 1 Do you want to do more comedy? Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't, listen,

Speaker 1 it would be like I had a plan. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm making this up as I go along. So

Speaker 1 I mean, seriously,

Speaker 1 it's like if they come along, sure. But I'm kind of going out and looking for something funny.
It's also, you know, I know how kind of that's a dangerous thing to do. I mean, right?

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, you know, it's like, yeah, the first night out, I read the script and I laughed out loud and I went for it. Yes, I love that movie.

Speaker 1 So that was like an easy, easy pick. And then, you know, Ryan's, you know, one of the most talented writers there are.

Speaker 1 I love that. You know, he just kind of keeps going and keeps getting at it and keeps getting into it.
And this next one is going to be different.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we've kind of gone, I mean, it's not wildly different, but it's going to be definitely kind of get a different tone to it. Oh, wait, there's a third.
there's one you're talking about.

Speaker 1 There's another one we shot at the summit. It's called Wake Up Death.
Wow. Wow.
Plugging the movie. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, please. Come on.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. But I mean, you know, you say that there's no,

Speaker 2 like that you have some sort of a plan or something, but I would guess that somebody who is approached for something as iconic as Bond and the kind of intelligence that you have, you probably had some thoughts and some talks with some people about, okay, if I did this, I've got to do this.

Speaker 2 But if if I did this, what I would need to kind of have a plan to how to occupy myself in between those movies and what to do afterwards.

Speaker 1 And so, which I just fucked up.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I think it's kind of perfect.

Speaker 2 And we're going to get to queer soon, which is a perfect balance.

Speaker 1 By the way, you didn't need to plan for anything. Well, I guess we're going to get to them right now.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 There's our clip.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Sean. No, I was was going to say, you didn't need to plan because those movies were fucking exhausting, I'm sure.
Like, didn't you need to recover?

Speaker 1 I think there was a feeling when I first started that because I'd had exactly what you said, those conversations, and I talked about it to everybody I knew and my family and all of those things about what does it mean?

Speaker 1 Of course, I've got to do it. I've got to do this, but what does it mean? I mean,

Speaker 1 how it's going to affect my life and all of those things.

Speaker 1 And there was a sort of, I suppose, an instinct in me to sort of want to go, okay, I'm doing Bond. Now I've got to do other stuff as well to kind of counterbalance this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just like fucking ridiculous. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm not sure. I need to think about it.
I was fucking exhausted. I was like, so as much as the moves I did in between, I'm kind of like proud of and all of those things.

Speaker 1 I stopped. I just went, let's do this.
If I'm doing this, just do this. Do this.
And I don't have the headspace. I don't have the, I mean.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say something that's going to be, it's not controversial, but I know because the Bond fans in the Bond world is so, those fans are so vocal and

Speaker 1 dedicated, et cetera. But I will say that for me, and I loved

Speaker 1 all the prior Bonds, everybody was great. So this is by no means an admonishment of what they had done.
But you were the first Bond who is like a real, like

Speaker 1 real

Speaker 1 man's man. Yeah, hot piece of S.

Speaker 1 And whereas tough. You were tough.

Speaker 1 Where's it going to culture for?

Speaker 1 No, but you came, you were tough.

Speaker 1 Because I think that people will go like, how dare you, Bubba?

Speaker 1 But you came out and you were like this tough, like you were like a real modern bond in a way that I thought was really, really refreshing. I loved your Bond films, dude.
I really love it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And we will be right back.

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Speaker 1 My question is, when you were doing the very first one, which I've seen a billion times, I've seen all of them a billion times. I literally could do like dialogue from it.

Speaker 1 I know if you're going to go. Okay, go.

Speaker 1 Give it to me.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 What did you say?

Speaker 1 Take your hand away from your ear. Anyway, that was the first one.
Anyway, so thank you thank you question uh

Speaker 1 but wait at what point

Speaker 1 that would have been the line i remembered too go ahead i just i literally just said it yesterday

Speaker 1 but wait gets with the choppas right it's up there with that

Speaker 1 but wait daniel at what point when you were making sorry i think my phone's ringing

Speaker 1 no that kicked off the whole chase get your hand here but anyway anyway, so when you were doing that movie, at what point in the middle of the movie where you're like, oh, God, I bit off more than I could shoot.

Speaker 1 This is really hard. Like, I don't know if I'm going to make it.
Or were you like, oh, this is awesome. I can do this.
All the stunts, all the bullshit that you had, that you put your body through.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I was sort of younger and

Speaker 1 I'm way too gung-ho.

Speaker 1 I was just, you know, I mean, I kind of threw myself. There was some, you know, the stuff guys were kind of saying, you know, do you want to do do it? Yeah, I'll do it.
Yeah. I was like,

Speaker 2 you know, and then we were like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 but I had all this stuff going on. I mean, we were, we, we were started shooting in Prague

Speaker 1 in studios there. And then we moved to the Bahamas.
And then my agent, which is, you know, it was very nice, but then my agent sort of phoned me up and said, you might want to look at the internet.

Speaker 1 And the internet had just sort of blown up and done this like,

Speaker 1 fuck him kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.
Which was like, I remember this.

Speaker 1 Which was kind of like, and I kind of looked looked at it all and as like you know when the naive days when i used to do stuff like that like oh well i'm gonna look at all and go down that rabbit hole and just chased it all night long and was like oh my god that's really intense and i kind of it i then sort of just had this sort of like we sort of i don't know i just sort of went

Speaker 1 well that's all i can do about that there's nothing i can do and we're here and i know the script's good and

Speaker 1 let's have a good time and if it's a swing and a miss great if it's my last one, I'll walk away knowing that I did the best I could.

Speaker 1 I mean, it kind of literally, I mean, it sounds easy to say now, but it's not good, but it just, it was like, it just, I was like, let's get on with this, let's do it.

Speaker 1 I, I, I just, you know, and do you think, do you think that's, that sort of that trial by fire of being

Speaker 1 because Bond, again, is so iconic, and by being put in the brightest of spotlights and being scrutinized so much

Speaker 1 sort of on social media or whatever it is online, do you think that that was a

Speaker 1 did you were you able to carry those lessons on sort of post bond and in your normal so as you because we we talk about it sometimes

Speaker 1 what's the reaction to what people say in social media and everybody's got a voice and stuff and everybody kind of puts it in a different place or deals with it differently. How

Speaker 1 does it affect your life? Do you think about it?

Speaker 1 I mean, I think the fame thing, I mean, I just had a complete nervous breakdown after it came out and sort of didn't leave the house for six months, but when I was back,

Speaker 1 really? Yeah, really? I mean, I mean, I I exaggerate, but I kind of was a bit like that.

Speaker 1 I just got like, oh, my, I mean, it was like it's a level of fame and recognizability that is not something that one deals with quickly and easily. Well, and who do you talk to about it?

Speaker 1 I mean, I suppose you go, I'm going to phone up someone really, really famous. I mean, it's like, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't know what you say. Yeah, or if you talk to the butcher or your friend or somebody who's not working and they're like, oh, boo-hoo, you're James Bond.
Right. Exactly.
Right.

Speaker 2 Right. So, where does it, where does that healthy level of indifference come from about whether it works or not? And I'm going to still just be me.

Speaker 2 And if it doesn't, or this fame stuff, like was, was your,

Speaker 2 did mom give you a good head on your shoulders or was it sort of, were you kind of self-taught?

Speaker 1 I think there's a, there's a, I've just got a very, you know, down-to-earth family who do not shy away from telling me what, you know, a low life I am. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, it's like,

Speaker 1 and that, that really helps. And just, yeah, coming, I don't know, I'm from the north of England, so more kind of like sort of practical, sort of like,

Speaker 1 pragmatic way of looking at life, maybe.

Speaker 1 I also got into that thing of, you know, very early on.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's so much.

Speaker 1 I went to drama school and there's that terrible thing of drama school is that like 90% of the year don't get to work. It's like, it's like, that's the attrition rate.
And you go into the business.

Speaker 1 There wasn't social media, so there wasn't another outlet to try and become famous. It was just like, you know, you got a job or you didn't get a job and mostly mostly people didn't get a job.
And

Speaker 1 I know that somebody gave me a great bit of advice very early on while at drama school, a great director who just said, don't ever, ever, ever get bitter.

Speaker 1 Don't get, you know, because bitterness is just the thing that it'll just eat you up because there's always somebody going to get the job

Speaker 1 over you. There's always somebody going to, you know, and if you kind of look at, look, only look at

Speaker 1 other people in the business with jealousy, then you'll kind of...

Speaker 1 That'll define you. And it doesn't matter if you then get success, you'll still kind of,

Speaker 1 I get jealous all the time. I'm jealous of every fucking actor out there who gets a job that I'd like.
But I kind of

Speaker 1 admit to it.

Speaker 1 Jealous.

Speaker 1 But that's good.

Speaker 1 We had the same, we used to talk about it all the time. I remember sort of years ago when people would start to work.

Speaker 1 And as you say, most of the time, most of us were not working, and somebody would get a good job and whatever. And I always stayed friends with my, we sort of cultivated people who were working.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot of people who are working. A lot of people.

Speaker 1 They'll always get dinner. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, but it was also like

Speaker 1 we genuinely rooted for each other. And anybody, and sometimes there would be somebody who would come in the group who was, you could tell, was keeping score.
No,

Speaker 1 and then you would just weed them out. And you'd weed them out.
And you'd be like, I'm not here. I can't be friends with people who are keeping score.
I just can't. I agree.

Speaker 1 There's enough for everybody.

Speaker 1 And if you're not in the mindset of rooting people on, then like you say, you're bitter. And then fuck it.
Then you're fucked. You're fucked.
You're fucked.

Speaker 1 That's why I thought, I just read something recently where you said, and that made me laugh out loud when somebody asked you, who do you think you should pass the torch on to for James Pond?

Speaker 1 And you said, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Not my business.

Speaker 1 JB, that is sexy indifference. That's somebody else's fucking problem.
Oh, that's so great. It made me laugh out loud.

Speaker 2 So, so then, so then coming up and starting to do some jobs and kind of starting to make a living a little bit from it, perhaps, were there some other, I'm sure that there were some other jobs that you were doing to kind of get away from the market.

Speaker 1 I mean, I left home at 16. Yeah.
I went and

Speaker 1 joined a thing called the National Youth Theatre in London. So I left Liverpool.

Speaker 1 Liverpool was like early 80s as depressed as, and it's so much, it's come up now and it's doing, the city's doing great, which is just wonderful. But at the time, it was seriously depressed.

Speaker 1 We had a sort of Trotskyite

Speaker 1 local council that was hated by Thatcher, who she starved money.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was like the whole thing was just like, employment was like, I can't even like 35% or 36%, it was like it was through the roof, whatever it was.

Speaker 1 And there was not a lot of job prospects. And I was, um, I was playing with the idea of joining the Navy.
I was playing with the idea, you know, doing all those things going, well, what do I do?

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 1 And there was a thing called the National Youth Theater, and it did a summer course. And my mother was a teacher, and it was on the board at her school.
And she went, this.

Speaker 1 And I went and auditioned for it in Manchester. I got in and she sort of kicked me out the door.
And she went, you got to go, you got to go, go, go, go.

Speaker 1 And it was partly her ambition because actually she'd got into Rada,

Speaker 1 which is, you know, the kind of top, the top sort of drama school

Speaker 1 certainly of those years when she was 17, 18, and there was no money to go. There was this, you know, there's like, because it was, you know, she didn't, the family just didn't have the money.

Speaker 1 So she didn't tell me that till about 10 years ago, actually. Oh, wow.
Wow. So, so she, but that her ambition for me was just to get going.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 She must have been absolutely thrilled with your, your success and and the arc of your success too yeah yeah i mean i think so yes yeah that's awesome yeah awesome and you and and also and when you say the arc too because you you earned it as well like you know you really oh there she goes

Speaker 1 look at that we already we already tipped her by the way don't quote me yeah we got this we got that

Speaker 1 uh listener he just had some food delay i gotta have a bite of this go ahead we go nuts go nuts

Speaker 2 um so this is perfect time for me with a long-winded question here. So you can choose.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 let's see.

Speaker 2 There weren't any, well, you tell me, were there huge influences or a particular one coming out of England?

Speaker 2 You were like, if I were to get some traction on this career, that is kind of the path I'd like to be on. Was it

Speaker 2 somebody in England or was it somebody in America?

Speaker 2 Was it always acting? Was it directing?

Speaker 1 The theater thing was the kicker.

Speaker 1 That was definitely the kind of thing that got me just,

Speaker 1 that's what I want to do. And I had some weird thing that I can do that, which is right.
But, you know, it's just because I was a show-off

Speaker 1 dressing up.

Speaker 1 So was that like I still do. So I was like, you know, I mean, I mean, so.

Speaker 2 John Gielgud. Something like that.
No?

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean,

Speaker 1 Albert Finney. I mean, definitely that generation, Albert Finney's generation and those guys, I mean, it's just that whole, you know, I suppose the

Speaker 1 angry young men, didn't they?

Speaker 2 Then you worked with Gambon, right?

Speaker 1 I did, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm really, I mean, just a dream of a human being and one of the greatest actors ever.

Speaker 1 It was film, really. And that was, we had a little cinema in the town I grew up in, which was, you know, a fleet, proper, kind of just like one screen.

Speaker 1 And all the movies at the time would do the kind of rounds of the country where they'd go to the big screens and things like that.

Speaker 1 And then by the time we got them, the movie had been out for like a month and a half. And the prints would, I know, the prints were just terrible.

Speaker 1 But they just, they put films on in rotation. I mean, from stripes to quest for fire to,

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, Blade Runner, I remember seeing in the cinema on my own with kind of an orange juice. And this film came out.
I had no idea. It was like Blind.
I was in there seeing a double bill.

Speaker 1 It was a Sean Connery space movie called Outland or something. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. does that make sense

Speaker 1 yeah that was on which is pretty great because it's a cowboy movie in space yeah and then i kind of went and got a you know a drink and came back and sat down on my own and blade run had started and it was just like i was like um and that was harrison ford a bit of a north star for you Well, it was the movie itself.

Speaker 1 It was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, sure, he is, of course. But the movie itself and the kind of the fact that movies could look like that, feel like that, and do that to you.
Right. It was just like the thing.

Speaker 1 I'd never kind of experienced it. And it felt like a movie that I discovered, that I was, and it was nothing to do with the Gone with the Wind or the kind of

Speaker 1 It's a Wonderful Life stuff that we, or the Bond movies, even.

Speaker 1 That was part of.

Speaker 2 But ultimately, kind of intangible, though, right? I would imagine there you are sitting in this theater in this small town.

Speaker 1 You're like, well,

Speaker 2 I'm never going to make it to Hollywood. I'm never going to be up.

Speaker 1 That's a million miles away. I was an arrogant little bitch.

Speaker 1 You actually thought, there is a shot there's a shot if i play my cards right if i don't know i mean i it's it's hindsight isn't it that sort of says that but there was something about

Speaker 2 you thought it was possible which is the key right

Speaker 1 why can't well but you also got accolades when you were doing theater enough to know that you had something to offer it was it was the thing that happened i kind of left drama school and went and did I went and did a John G.

Speaker 1 Evelstone movie called The Power of One with Stephen Dorff.

Speaker 1 Love Stephen. Scored by Hans Zimmer.
I mean, amazing. Wow.

Speaker 1 And And

Speaker 1 really kind of weird. I mean, not a weird movie, just a kind of movie of its era.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Playing the bad guy and kind of,

Speaker 1 it was just this sort of event that happened, but it was a movie. And I then came out and didn't work for a lot, did some theater, and then started getting TV roles.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Little guest roles and things like that. And

Speaker 1 suddenly then I got kind of a lead in a TV role. And suddenly the money started.

Speaker 1 It wasn't great, but it was like, whoa, this is like, this is like kind of life-changing money in the sense I might be able to afford a house soon. This is all kind of...

Speaker 2 Still living in England?

Speaker 1 Still living in England. I'd gone to LA after the Power of One

Speaker 1 and it was like 1991 and arriving here. Wow.

Speaker 1 It was like a...

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 kind of and kind of not because I was so like...

Speaker 1 green and naive. I landed in this town.
I didn't have a driver's license and have a credit card. They checked me into the Universal Sheraton, which is,

Speaker 1 I realize now, is an island

Speaker 1 where you need a car to get off it.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was, and I kind of went to the front desk and they said, credit card. And they went,

Speaker 1 and they were like, look at me like I've, so I had to embarrassly call up Warner Brothers and get them to put some money down on the desk and do all these things. And

Speaker 1 then... John D.
Abelson very nicely was sort of pushing me slightly because he's like, you kid, this kid's got it. This kid's got it.
He was pushing me slightly. So I went up for auditions.

Speaker 1 And i in the movie i was playing you know a nazi um kind of south african um

Speaker 1 you know bad guy and i was going up for nazi south african bad guys i mean that's that was it i went up for like five auditions and it was all for you know it was just all for nazis

Speaker 1 and i just was like i was just like yeah i mean i kind of i've got a bit more reins than this i think um

Speaker 1 and they and i was there was a kind of suddenly there was an offer on the table from a manager and why don't you stay and we get you accommodation blah blah blah blah and i kind of went on and i I did these five auditions and I went, whoa, no, this is going to go really wrong.

Speaker 1 And I don't know what it was. It was just like,

Speaker 1 this is where this, where these thoughts came from. I have no idea.
But they were just like,

Speaker 1 this is not the career I want.

Speaker 1 So I went home. Back to England.
Back to theater. Back to England.
Well, sort of back to thinking, well, I've got, you know, I've got a bit of money in my pocket.

Speaker 1 You know, I've got a bit of money now, so it's okay.

Speaker 1 But then suddenly I started getting bigger roles in television and I realized that was a mistake because I looked at these television stars at home and God bless them They're doing they're earning money and they've got the house in Portugal and they've got and they're thinking yeah, they're set set.

Speaker 1 It's great. I want to make movies.
I want to make movies. Good for you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the British movie industry didn't exist. Right.
It just did. I mean, there were amazing movies coming out.
You think about, you know, like Room of the View.

Speaker 1 I mean, Room of the View, but I mean, I'm talking kind of like the, yeah, I mean, no one was ever going to cast me in because I didn't, I wasn't a floppy fringed kind of posh boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I mean. Yeah.
Like the sort of the. So there was lots of brilliant directors, like, you know, my beautiful Londrette and things like that, things like that were going on.

Speaker 1 But that was a kind of, you know, you had to know the director and things. And

Speaker 1 I sort of plugged away at it until someone gave me a break. But what was the shift? What was the shift in that in the British

Speaker 1 for me? Film. You mean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did a film called Love is a Devil.

Speaker 2 And that was, that got some traction for you?

Speaker 1 It's as these things do. And like I say this to kind of young actors who talk about kind of, you know, you know, I want the, you know, when the break comes and, you know, I'm going to do this thing.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's like

Speaker 1 believing producers say, this is going to be good for you. This is going to be good for you.
This. It's like, it doesn't happen like that in the industry.
It's tectonic.

Speaker 1 It's like it rolls around. You get the break.
Like, someone comes and sees you in something or sees you in something. A year later, they might go, let's get that guy.

Speaker 1 And that's, and you can't, you can't rush these things. So I did things and I just kept on going.
And eventually, sort of

Speaker 1 something, momentum started happening.

Speaker 1 And then, I don't know what kind of what went went down I did a TV series and then and then wrote a petition like you know Sam Cosmian wrote wrote a petition and then Munich did you know Sam Mendes before that to say hello to yeah but so then it was so then when you audition I'd imagine that was an audition not an offer uh it was a friendly face uh in the audition room which I believe

Speaker 1 you did

Speaker 1 no not a good audition come on no terrible audition did you apologize after your audition

Speaker 1 as you're leaving I'm so sorry you had to see that. Good luck with the project.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that's my go-to.

Speaker 1 But it works.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it works, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I just, I was, I, I was supposed to have sort of learned this Chicago accent, and for some reason,

Speaker 1 I didn't. And for the audition, I kind of, I really,

Speaker 1 he'd sort of kind of,

Speaker 1 he hadn't offered it to me, but he'd sort of said to me, we really want you to play the part. And I thought, well, that's an offer.
And he said, now you've got to fly out to Chicago and audition.

Speaker 1 I was like, Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I, so I didn't really do enough work on the part. And I kind of went, Death is terrible reading.
And he sort of went, Stop, stop. You've got the job.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I sort of, I kind of, you know, batted him down with terrible acting. It's a ploy.

Speaker 2 All right. So then you're on set.
And you're working with Tom Hanks and Paul Newman and being directed by Mr. Mendes.

Speaker 2 Did you get winded? Or was it just sort of like, yeah, this is kind of, it's about time?

Speaker 1 This is what I've been trying to do. I've been trying to avoid the other stuff, and now I've landed in the sort of the lane I want to be in a little bit.
I mean, combo? I mean, I would, I

Speaker 1 kind of, yeah. I mean, I just felt, I felt like terrified at all of those things, but like,

Speaker 1 you're here now. Right.
You better fucking you better deliver. You better deliver.

Speaker 2 Did you find that you had a gear that you didn't know that could kind of boost you up? And so you didn't have a panic attack and you held your own.

Speaker 1 Yes?

Speaker 1 I mean, I suppose what it was,

Speaker 1 what really calmed me when it boils down to it, you're on set with one of the greatest living actors of all time. And Paul Newman.

Speaker 1 And Paul Newman.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 both of them, but very, very, very different actors. But Paul Newman, who I've idolized,

Speaker 1 and watching him work, you realize, oh, God, he's an actor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it just that sort of like that in itself was like, he's, I can't talk to him about, he wants, he wanted to talk to me about racing cars. I was like, going, four wheels? I mean,

Speaker 1 you know, I guess like, he's like talking about like, I mean, I just had why, why the indie series was so much better than the Grand Prix series. I was like, yeah.
Wow. And it was like, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 But when it came down to it and watching and working with him,

Speaker 1 I had a language that I could speak to him in because I'm an actor. he's an actor, and he really is, you know, and he'd struggle and he'd

Speaker 1 really be kind of trying to find it and things that I'd just be like, oh, wow, great. That's, that's what I, that's what I do.
Oh, good.

Speaker 1 And that, and that, that kind of just, I thought, so I can get, you know, I mean, he forgets a line too sometimes. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's really cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's really interesting, that idea of being with Paul Newman and watching him kind of find it in the scene.

Speaker 2 But the opposite of making you nervous, it actually calms you because you see him as human.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you must have had a complete like your nerves must have been absolutely settled in that moment.

Speaker 1 I was like, we can do this, we can make this happen. We're playing.

Speaker 1 Suddenly, we're like, you know, we're here to play. Great.
I know. Fascinating.
One time I was doing the bucket list with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. I was in the scene with Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 And he turns to me and he goes, during rehearsal, he goes, Do you know what you mean when you say that line? I go, yeah, do do you?

Speaker 1 Like, what?

Speaker 1 I had to say that.

Speaker 1 I had to say that to relax myself because I couldn't believe I was in a movie with Jack Nichols.

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Speaker 1 And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 Now, Daniel, when you were very quickly after that, sort of vaulted into much more of a leadership position on the jobs that followed, did you take that experience with you as a leader and see the younger actors or the actors with lesser parts get a little sort of nervous and did you did you did you lend some of that comfort to them by not not intentionally forgetting a line but did you take some of those leadership lessons by being completely shit

Speaker 1 it really just settles everybody's nerves oh my gosh

Speaker 1 that's how he's gonna do it

Speaker 1 um i i don't know i mean i might i feel like my part of my job is to you know you you're on set

Speaker 1 um you know i i love being around actors i love being you know it's you know it's like it's it's fun it's a lot of fun but if you have somebody who is you know there for a bit short day

Speaker 1 i have a thing it's like you know it's like the my favorite movies it's those small parts that zip out that you that make the movie sometimes it's like you encourage them to be the best they can because it's like it's like you know it's like smallest cogs all of that shit you know sure yeah no small parts just smallest yes exactly yeah um what about what about siblings you have siblings i have a half half-brother and a sister, an older sister.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 completely different career path than you. Completely different.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm kind of the only actor in the family.
And I want to talk about eggs that you just ate.

Speaker 1 Do you always watch what you eat when you're on doing these junkets? Like, you didn't want to touch the potatoes. I was just watching you garble those eggs.

Speaker 1 Sean knows, can he send a guy over to pick up the potatoes?

Speaker 1 There's somebody at your door right now, Daniel, if you don't mind. Just replace it.
Just slide the potatoes under the door.

Speaker 1 um no do you are you always like that or do you go off the rails sometimes and and just i mean i do i mean i don't i mean i i don't i used to have a i used to swing okay on bond

Speaker 1 yeah right here we go um that's that that's not a good a good word um

Speaker 1 on bond i would you know because of the intensity i would sort of then spend the next sort of three four months sort of being drunk and eating yeah yeah and and that

Speaker 1 that that's not good for you so yeah i i you know so i don't i i i stopped stopped doing that and sort of like said, okay, let's maintain my fitness. How about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you always look great.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 It gets so hard after 50. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're all. It's just

Speaker 1 so depressing.

Speaker 1 It's so depressing. I mean, I remember before I find my mom up a few years ago and going, oh, my fingers are aching.
And just sign up. Welcome to my world.

Speaker 1 It's just that for me.

Speaker 2 I've got all these little hot spots on my hands now that like, it hurts between this finger and this finger.

Speaker 1 And right at the base of the thumb there, it's like, like what's going on I had this I had this treatment treatment the other day where they gave me this infrared thing where they kind of map your body infrared and my hands were on fire and they were like going oh what's wrong and I'm like I don't know what is wrong it's like it hurts I'm not 20.

Speaker 1 Wait a second. Wait, Sean, you did a similar, no, JB, you did a map.

Speaker 2 I did the full body scan, yeah. Full body scan.
And it was, it was, thank God, it was all, it was all good, but it's kind of cool that they could do that now.

Speaker 1 What did they find in the place where the human heart normally is? Not much. There was like, it was a little movie, a little movie camera roll.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a bunch of loose nuts and bolts. Wait, Daniel, also, just meeting you for the first time, I sense that your brain works really, really fast.
Like you're hyper-intelligent.

Speaker 1 You kind of have to when you're doing all the things that you do. What do you do to stop? I'm getting that, Sean.
Really?

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 I get that you're like,

Speaker 1 your brain works really, really fast. Like you're eating the eggs and you're finishing the story.

Speaker 1 And then you're going to like

Speaker 1 dummy. Okay.

Speaker 1 I know that's what I'm saying. Sean said.
shocked. How is he chilling and walking at the same time?

Speaker 1 By the way, this is coming from a guy who spends like a Monday afternoon, mid-afternoon watching videos of childbirth.

Speaker 1 So it's not like he doesn't have a lot going on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's going to feel like a compliment's coming, but the curve is.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The bar could be fucking lower.

Speaker 1 No, it is a big compliment because you have to think, you constantly have to think fast of what you do. You're like, the camera's there, my line's here, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And you have have kids and you have the thing. So your mind's always going, what do you do to calm down?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, it's just being at home.
And

Speaker 1 I like to,

Speaker 1 I really, really, really don't play tennis. I'm so terrible.
But if I can convince

Speaker 1 a tennis pro or someone to hit a ball with me, I'll do that for two, three hours at a time. Yeah, exactly.
I just kind of like, and you know, no golf for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whatever. What's the screen? Ruins a good walk.
What are you talking about? Yeah, but it is a nice walk. It is a great, great walk.

Speaker 1 Now, what about now?

Speaker 2 You've been to all these incredible, in all the films you've done, all these incredible locations around the world. Is there a spot that calms you more than any, a favorite spot?

Speaker 1 I think if I'm going to really relax,

Speaker 1 the sea is like the place I want to be because it's like.

Speaker 1 I'm with you. I just want the, I want the salt water and I want the sun

Speaker 1 and my body kind of, again, with the aches and the pains.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're not a boat guy, though, are you? Are you a guy that not really?

Speaker 1 They're kind of

Speaker 1 a lot of hard work. I know, right?

Speaker 1 I have like two fan stuff that can we can we just get it out of the way? Yeah, of course, man.

Speaker 1 Because Scotty, my husband, and I watch, watched all your films like a billion times.

Speaker 1 The um, Javier Bardem, and you probably have the greatest hero villain chemistry of all time, like just incredible.

Speaker 1 What

Speaker 1 do you did you want to do?

Speaker 1 Tell Tracy what that's for. Tracy's, that's from, oh my God, that's from Skyfall.
Skyfall, thanks. That is Skyfall.

Speaker 1 And do you, Adele? You have to sing Adele when you say the net. No, you don't.

Speaker 2 Go ahead with the question.

Speaker 1 No, I just, it's just a comment, not a question. It was just a comment.
Like, that was incredible. And do you guys still, do you still keep in touch with Javier? I do.

Speaker 1 See, I talk to him occasionally, and yes, I love him to death. He's just, he's less like, he's a good, glorious human being.
So good.

Speaker 1 And then the other thing was, and you can think about it while we talk about other stuff, unless you have to go, is a great theater story. I always ask, like, people with theater stories.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like scenes falling, like people throwing up on stage, like anything like that.
I've done all that. I've done all that.
Really? Yeah, I've done all that.

Speaker 2 You name it all. The amount of theater you've done is just stunning.

Speaker 1 I've done it. It's happened on stage.
What do you think was the worst thing that happened where you were like, fuck

Speaker 1 the show?

Speaker 1 Or like an audience member?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 I haven't. It hasn't.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I've been at the theater when it was actually uh, Leo Schreiber was doing, what are they doing

Speaker 1 for you from the bridge, but um, where literally someone had a thing, an attack, and Leo actually got to say, Is there a doctor in the house?

Speaker 1 Wow, it's like

Speaker 1 the guy was fine and it was all good. It was kind of like, Yeah, they stopped the show and did, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, the amount of work that goes into um doing theater at the level that that you've done it and that Sean just did,

Speaker 2 Is it

Speaker 2 I'm sure you can't compare that to the kind of rigor it takes to get through a huge, huge film, but is it somewhat comparable? And if so, which do you prefer as far as what takes most out of you?

Speaker 1 I think a movie takes the most out of you because I think it's a seven day a week job.

Speaker 1 It's not that you can't get, there's no day off really, because there's always something to do on whatever, either you're doing a five-day week or you're doing a six-day week.

Speaker 1 You've got to kind of, you're either rehearsing something or you're studying studying something or you so so that that there's the intensity of that is like there's nothing

Speaker 1 and a play once it's up and running gets its own kind of momentum I mean if it's an emotionally difficult play then obviously it's kind of like it gets you know but you sort of tend to be able to kind of like spend the day not thinking about it yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 2 do you see yourself staying on screen until you're old and gray and in the ground

Speaker 2 or would you like to sort of throttle back and just have the last section of your life whenever that starts just on theater? Because that's something that I kind of fantasize about.

Speaker 2 It's just like moving to New York and

Speaker 2 becoming a theater actor and just like riding my bike to the theater.

Speaker 1 It's very attractive.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It depends how big the bills are, isn't it? Right. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's true.

Speaker 1 Well, back to the TV stars. Yeah, exactly.
Well, I mean, right. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 I did work with Gilgard.

Speaker 1 I worked with Gilgard on two jobs. He was actually in the power of one.

Speaker 1 I, you know, played the headmaster at the school. And I did have a scene with him, but I met him.

Speaker 1 I met him around the back of the set because I'd gone around to have a cigarette back in the day when I smoked. And

Speaker 1 there he was smoking. And he kind of went, oh, don't tell anybody I'm not supposed to be smoking.

Speaker 1 We had a cigarette together and had a chat, which he was like, you know. And then I did Elizabeth Elizabeth about 10 years later.
And he must have been well into his 90s by then. Wow.

Speaker 1 And it was kind of, why is he working?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 his boyfriend liked diamonds. I mean, it was kind of like he was like, that was the response.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he was wheeled in. And I kind of thought...
I had the scene with him just to sort of like, he was playing the Pope and I was playing this

Speaker 1 Jesuit mass murderer.

Speaker 1 easy role.

Speaker 1 And he, I just sort of, I kind of went and sort of take care of him.

Speaker 1 My instinct was to sort of tell us, how are you? You probably don't remember. We had a cigarette together, you know,

Speaker 1 of course he didn't remember.

Speaker 1 And, but he was like, he was like, I could see the age. And it was like, oh my God, wow, he's really kind of, is he going to be able to remember his lines? The board went on, bang.
Just showed up.

Speaker 1 The back went up and he was just like, and he did the scene, and it was like, oh man, blew everybody away. And then I went back.

Speaker 1 And it was like, wow, that's, that's yeah and i kind of was like that's amazing but i was also kind of like i've been i don't know if you've ever ridden a horse in a movie they have

Speaker 1 um they have to retire movie horses because they they learn the board you know they learn when the slate comes in and they hit it whack it's time to go so i've been i've sat on horses that are kind of like look at that you know you know because i don't ride very well so stick him on that neck you know it's because it's like and they're kind of like there and

Speaker 1 trying to pull its head up trying to look cool and it's just like look it's like it's going to die and they put the board on it and it's like oh oh, my God, Jesus Christ. And

Speaker 1 they have to retire these horses. And I thought, oh, my God, you're a film horse.

Speaker 1 Do I want to turn into a film horse when that board goes on? Oh, yeah, here we are.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 at the same time, I mean, maybe there's a little bit of sort of wisdom in

Speaker 1 staying active in that way is part of the reason that he was able to stay, you know,

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe do a crossword. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because otherwise he is in

Speaker 1 Portugal right now. No, totally, totally.
I get it.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean how how I mean going back to that hysteria at the at the at the um at the in the school play that thing that drug that thing that gets you at the yeah

Speaker 1 brought it back and that's pretty good you know I like it I like it I kind of wanted to get back I'm glad you you mentioned that because I kind of wanted to go back to that moment you're in the theater and go all the way back to that moment you're in the theater and you're watching Blade Runner because it really made me think about

Speaker 1 I was going to bring this up before about, and I was going to ask you guys, what is that thing? What was that sort of that seminal moment in your life?

Speaker 1 What was the film, the book that you read? And do you go back and still? Because

Speaker 1 I have found now that I'm in my 50s, I'm now re-looking for moments like that where I get inspired. I'm reading a book right now that I'm a midlife crisis.
It is a midlife crisis.

Speaker 1 Believe me,

Speaker 1 I should be wearing a fucking hat the last 10 years that said, ask me about my midlife crisis.

Speaker 1 And yes, I had a Porsche, obviously. And I've had, but all of that, do

Speaker 1 you know, do you guys, have you guys had those moments? Do you remember being young and a book or a film or something? Yeah, you went like. Mine is 11 years old.
I was 11 years old.

Speaker 1 My brother took me for my 11th birthday. My brother Kevin took me to go see E.T.

Speaker 1 And I was 11 years old. And I said, and everybody in the theater is crying, as they were at the end.

Speaker 1 And I said to my brother,

Speaker 1 I said, I'd give anything to be him. And my brother thought, like the fantasy, like, oh, Elliot, to have a friend like E.T.
And I go, no, I'd give anything to be Henry Thomas who played Elliot.

Speaker 1 And my brother's like, the actor? And I was like, yeah, to make people feel that? That would be amazing. JB, anything? Do you remember a moment?

Speaker 2 I saw Matthew Broderick do Brighton Beach Memoirs on Broadway.

Speaker 1 I think I was like 15 or something.

Speaker 2 And I could have gone, there was like, it was a fork in the road. I could have stopped doing what I was doing.
But I saw him do that. I just had such a good time.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to do that.

Speaker 1 Keep doing that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I, for me, it was, it wasn't even singing.
For me, it was, I'm, I was 17. I remember this so clearly.
And I read On the Road by Jack Herouak.

Speaker 1 And it sounds so cliche, but

Speaker 1 I was like, you can get out into the world?

Speaker 1 And that was actually spurred me to go, I can move to New York. And I moved when I was 20.
And it was like, yeah, fucking Kerouac. That's what you're doing.
Where did you grow up? In Toronto.

Speaker 1 Or Venezuela. Canada.
And you're like, that's what you do. If you want to be out in the world, you got to get out into the world.
And that really spurred me on for the rest of my life, I think.

Speaker 1 I love that. Daniel, what's going to happen with you for the rest of the day? And by the way, we're going to talk about queer.
I want to hear a little bit about queer.

Speaker 2 So queer's out December 13th. You read the script, you think immediately, do you think about the character? Are you thinking about that incredible director, Luca Guadanino?

Speaker 1 Or what?

Speaker 2 What's going through your mind?

Speaker 1 Is it a quick yes? Yeah. Yeah, all of that.
That's like, I mean, I just, I wanted to work with Luca. I think he's, you know, he's just a really

Speaker 1 exciting kind of out there director who's just pushing it. but so it was a pretty quick yes yes totally yeah yeah and the script you know was i mean yeah i mean

Speaker 1 getting offered a really complicated interesting funny sad human being to play

Speaker 1 i can't wait to see you i know

Speaker 1 i know me too me too

Speaker 2 congratulations on that yeah yeah thank you yeah um all right um you're done you've done great yeah now you can get some cold eggs there i'm very sorry you did That's all right.

Speaker 1 I'm just not going to eat the potatoes in front of you.

Speaker 2 Sean will be here soon.

Speaker 1 But that's my personal, I've got a problem with that.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'll take him off your hand. I have to go into a dark cupboard and eat potatoes.

Speaker 1 Wait, Daniel, how, how, like, do you, do you live in the UK? I do. I lived in New York.
I lived in New York for nearly 20 years. No, 15 years, but and moved back to London this summer.

Speaker 1 And do you love visiting LA? Or you're like, I'm in, I'm out. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, it's love, hate, it's all that thing.

Speaker 1 It's like, I really, I do love this, and I love California, and I love, I just, I went to the desert for a couple of days before I started this to get some kind of R ⁇ R.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and, you know, it's like there's no place like this on earth. And then I want to go, and then I want to leave really quickly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Now, dude, last question.

Speaker 1 Do you still follow Liverpool at all?

Speaker 1 Yes, yeah. You do? Yeah, yeah.
I do, yeah, religiously, yeah. Yeah, same.
I won't get to many games, but sadly, but now I'm back in England. I'm hoping to get a game.
Let's come in the new year.

Speaker 1 I'm going to come over there let's go to a game let's make this i would i would really like that okay great yeah yeah i really like that daniel thank you so much for doing this crowd thank you

Speaker 1 yeah thank you all right buddy bye

Speaker 1 thank you i i don't know how to stop this okay

Speaker 1 there you go

Speaker 2 Now there's, there's, there's, there's, there's a guy's guy.

Speaker 1 He's a woman's guy, too.

Speaker 2 And he slammed the computer. You know, that's

Speaker 2 a great, a great sign.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. You love that, JB.
I really do. He is.
He's great. Like, you know, it's how do you talk to him without bringing up James Bond?

Speaker 1 I can't tell if he's sick of it or.

Speaker 2 I think we did a good job of not peppering him with all the shit he's been asked, maybe. I don't know.
I've never seen an interview with him.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I always say this on this little podcast of ours is like, when I meet people I've never met before like that, and I'm huge fans. Of course, I want to ask them all the fan questions, but I'm nervous.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know.
You know, like. How many films have you seen a billion times? I want to get down to your numbers now.
Yeah. I mean, honestly, I've seen that so many times, Casino Royal.

Speaker 1 I've seen all of them so many times. But Skyfall is Scotty's favorite, and we've seen that for many other times.
That's incredible. It's really good.
Skyfall? You've never seen Scott.

Speaker 1 That's the one, right? Oh, it's so good. Wait, are you kidding, Jay?

Speaker 2 No, I'm not. Invite me over for Christ's sake.

Speaker 1 Wait, Jason, Skyfall is amazing. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 And you love Javier Bardem. He takes his teeth out and it's fucking

Speaker 1 spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 Wait, what's your favorite line that he ever said?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, this, my ear. I hear it through my ear.

Speaker 1 Take your hand away from your ear.

Speaker 1 Take your hand away from your ear. Oh, what a line yeah really

Speaker 1 is james bond around

Speaker 1 that was another one um no but but uh go ahead go ahead sean oh

Speaker 1 shit sean i know you were gonna say fuck me dude watching your face try to

Speaker 2 because he looks down at the computer because he kind of works on them i think of course he does no no i i had one i have one have we ever gotten a bunch of requ a bunch of suggestions from our listeners of what what we can do for our bodies i know but do we have a portal for them to to fill a portal

Speaker 1 fill our portal what do you mean or some sort of a site they can put all these recommendations on so we can stop listening to sean's shitty buys but but also it's not the shitty buys no it's it's the way he goes it's the way he goes blah blah blah and he goes yeah so also i was thinking that

Speaker 1 and you're like fuck dude

Speaker 1 what are you i was gonna say what is sty what does jason sty rhyme with no that's no good. Will, you got one? I don't have one.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 No, I'm glad that it's.

Speaker 1 You should be guest-related.

Speaker 2 You know, we should buy it into the guest somehow.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, Skyfall, its original title was Baby.

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