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Hey, good morning, everybody. How's everybody doing? Real good.
What a nice sleep. What a, yeah.
Will, you were snoring a little bit last night. I had to turn you over a couple of times.
I know. Yes, and I had no covers on me.
That was weird. No, you didn't.
But I love that extra super-sized Charlie and the

Chocolate Factory bed we got, huh? Hey, be honest. What was the camera for? Because I noticed a camera

this morning when I woke up. That was my bad.
That was my bad. I forgot to take it down.
Okay.

Anyway, let's do a podcast. Welcome to SmartLess.
How's everybody doing? I'm great. I haven't even had a chance to open up my breakfast bar.
A little ASMR. Yeah.

This is Papa.

This is Papa. doing i'm great i haven't even had a chance to open up my breakfast bar a little asmr yeah this is papa this is papa steve's no junk raw protein bars which i'm real keen on and my address you can find in the chat jesus okay as have you guys had your breakfast yet i have i have not i'm just What did you have, Willie? I had one cup of oatmeal made with water and some berries.
Do they let you out for an hour of exercise each day? Yeah. I had a few berries

with it and then a drizzle of maple syrup, pure maple syrup for taste. I love to drizzle ever

again. Yeah.
And then I had five scrambled eggs. Jesus, my chest hurts.

Five eggs?

Your chest shouldn't hurt.

It's not bad for your chest.

You know, I think there was one report that said that eggs are not cholesterol problems anymore.

And I love that report as much as you do,

but I'd love to hear a second.

Well, my doctor told me that.

This is the guy you found online?

Put it this way.

What's your cholesterol and what's mine?

And you're the one who eats all this shit and what's yours and what's mine? My cholesterol is horrendous. Yeah, because it's in my family.
Mine is 90. I will tell you, I just had one of those full body scans.
Yeah. No brain? Yeah.
And completely empty? Sir, can we talk to you for a second? Yeah. It's just one microchip up there.
Wow. They said it's not, there's no heart.
They just found a box with a picture of a heart in it. So did you get the results back? Yes, thank you.
The results were fine. Oh, good.
Everything is fantastic. And yeah, I'm very pleased.
Because you never know with those things. You could get, okay, so your appointment to review your scan results, or is it tomorrow at 3 o'clock? Okay, so tomorrow at 3 o'clock, I'm going to find out if I've got something I've got to worry about the rest of my life.
And you walk in and they've got six doctors in there. They've got six guys in there like, they'd actually like to do this in person.
The team needs to speak to you. Hey, Jason, can you clear your schedule for the next four months? And do you have a wife, girlfriend, best friend, something that can maybe drive you? Are you religious at all? Because we've got a guy here on standby.
No, it's a real... We were talking about it, you and me, Will, the other day, and you were like, well, I don't know.
I mean, do you want to know? I was like, yeah, I do if it's good news. And thank God it was good, so.
That's good. Did you get the...
Sean, did you get the shingles vaccine? I did. I did.
Yeah. Yeah.
Did you, Willie? I have not. Okay.
You have to. You must.
Have you had... Now, what is it? If you've had chickenpox, you're susceptible to shingles or vice versa? It's already living inside you if you had chickenpox, the shingles.

So if you haven't had chickenpox, you're good.

You don't need the shingles vaccine?

I think, I don't know.

Don't get medical advice from this show.

Yeah, exactly.

Change the channel, everybody.

Yeah.

How often would you say, in any given week,

do you have a conversation at least with a doctor?

Oh, God, on a weekly basis for sure.

So it's at least once a week. At least once a week, you're interfacing with a doctor via text or call or in person.
Why? Because you're concerned or you just want to stay ahead of things? I want to be one of those people that catch something before it happens. Right, so you just workshop things that could go wrong with you and what to do to be ready.
That's right. You ever thought about just living life and enjoying it? I'll take photos of shit and text him and all that stuff.
You could zip into a bubble maybe, you know, and just kind of have Scotty roll you around. From room to room.
Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm not above it.
I'll do that. Wow.
You know what though? We were talking about anesthesia, Jason, me and you, I think, at dinner last week. God, I could go for some propofol right now.
Wouldn't it be great? And we were talking about how do you, isn't it fascinating? How did somebody discover anesthesia? Yeah, they can just switch you off. Like, who do you test that on? Right.
We're going to bring you as close to death as possible. Getting that just right was probably challenging.
That's too much. We lost them.
Or too little. You can see them screaming as they amputate the wrist.
Yeah, it's unbelievable. Well, I tell you, when you don't want some purple falls, when our guest is performing.
Great. Because you want to be wide.
Incredible. You want to be wide awake for this person's work.
And I tell you, millions of people have been wide awake watching this guy. He's been, I'm going to say this, he's been dazzling people for a long time.
David Copperfield. Well, his, his, David Blaine.
I will just say, Jason, you might want to be careful because this person knows a lot of your secrets.

Uh-oh.

Okay?

This person knows— Papa?

This person knows a lot of the stuff that you've— Papa-pa-pa-pa-pa? —been up to, especially recently, because this person is somebody who has been in and out of your world, I'll just say this. Again, I always feel like with my guests, it's hard to start naming their credits because you're just going to, you immediately, you're going to go, oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Why is this person my guest then? You say, I know this person. You do.
And they could be your guest because I wanted to kind of surprise you. Uh-oh.
Because this is somebody who has, this is somebody who's been doing, this is somebody who's been doing the kinds of films that we,

Jay, this is the kind of thing for you that fits in.

Like, they're doing the kind of thing that the tastemakers like and like all those kind of words that you like.

I don't know how much disdain he has for that.

And, you know, because there are films in there,

this is somebody who's been nominated for Academy Awards,

Golden Globe Awards,

BAFTAs,

Olivier Awards.

I don't know anybody.

He's done television.

He's played the Pope.

He's played,

he's been in Sherlock Holmes.

He's been,

he's been in Talented Mystery.

Hey,

June.

Wow.

There he is. And he's, I was wondering to get to, and he's Jason's co-star and collaborator on Black Rabbit is Jude Lyman.
Yeah. Good morning, my friend.
Hi, Jude. Good morning.
And he should be your guest, but I wanted him because I wanted to surprise you, JB, with your guy. Buddy.
Yes. God damn it, this is great.
Guys, get ready to just fall in love and clear out, make room for a new best friend. There's really, Jude, first of all, welcome.
There's just nobody I'm more excited about as a new person in my life, like for the last 10 years than Jude Law. The feelings.
Jude, he has been singing your praises since you guys started working together. And I'm not, honestly, I'm not making it up.
He cannot speak more highly about, and he has generally disdain for people. Most people.
As you know. I broke through that.
I like five people in the world and there's three on the screen right now. We finished just a couple of weeks ago and I'm genuinely going through withdrawals.
It's been, I mean, it was a long shoot. So, you know, when it starts to become part of your daily routine and dare I say, you not take it for granted, but you're just, you know, you've been doing it for a few months and it's just, it it's what you do every day.
Man, I'm finding it hard. It's been a bit bumpy coming out.
How about you? Yeah, it's like, yeah, on that project, it was like waking up in your house each day and just hanging out with your family. It's just so easy, and then you're gone from your family.
You start to miss them. Yeah, it's a very odd part of what we do right because yeah i was i was trying to explain this to someone it's like most people have their first day on a job like you know in their 20s or 30s and maybe they change their job once like in their 40s or right we we change a job three times a year sometimes right like a whole new whole new group of people.
Hi. Hello.
I'm Jude. Nice to meet you.
Well, what's so unusual is that Jason has allowed himself to get attached to you because I have heard him describe, and this is true, and I really, this is true. He described recently to somebody, and this really, again, is going to give you a lot of info about who, JB.
He talks about how when he starts

a job with people, he tells himself

not to get too attached because he knows

he's not going to see them again.

And so he builds

in a distance with

people so he won't

get hurt. Am I right, JB?

Ish. It's not as much

of a defense mechanism as just like a

practicality. It's like, well,

we're going to never see each other again, but there's a necessary bonding that needs to happen to really make the work enjoyable and effective. And so, yeah, it's an odd thing.
I've actually given young actors that advice sometimes because I remember when I was in my early 20s starting out. You say, don't fall in love with me.
You kind of walk away from the film thinking, I've just made 50 best friends, and we're going to see each other every week. And then nothing happens, and you feel slightly heartbroken.
So you've got to, you know, I'm like, they're not going to be your best friends. You're going to work together.
The good news in this business is you actually do have a realistic chance of seeing those people again, though, on another project. If you're as old as we are.
On a podcast. Yeah, yeah.
Now, before we get going, I just, I have seen Jude's film that is coming out, depending on when this airs. It's called The Order.
And I've seen it twice in the last three days because they very nicely asked me to introduce it at some screening the other day. This movie, Jude's the lead in it.
It's also with Nicholas Holt and Jurnee Smollett, and it's directed by Justin Curzell. Guys, if you like A Bag of Money and a Gun and something that is shot like one of those uh sydney lamette films it's just this movie is so goddamn good he plays an fbi agent that that is after a white supremacist gang up in the pacific northwest it's a true story happens back in like the late 70s early 80s i think dude and yeah it's just badass.
Bank robberies and it's just, go see it. It's called The Order.
It's fucking great. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen the trailer. I saw the one sheet.
It looks really, just the poster alone looked really cool. And, you know, and I think that you're like holding a gun in it or something.
I see it a hundred more times. Talk a little bit.
Well, just if you can, just because we're on this, to talk a little bit about The Order and how it kind of came into your world and what it was about it that you're like, oh yeah, this is something I've got to do. Because I don't necessarily associate you with as a sort of like a gun wriggling, you know what I mean? I hadn't played a part like it.
And it came my way through my production company, and, you know, it was just one of those, it was so full of potential. It had this incredible true story that I hadn't heard of, an awful lot of people hadn't heard of.
It had all this relevance to today and the sort of divisive society that we're living in and that we're seeing around the world, and then, you know, it's also wrapped up in a brilliant cat and mouse thriller kind of genre film. And like Jason said, it's reminded me of those movies, those kind of crowd pleasers that I used to go see when I was a kid with the great filmmakers of Lumet and Friedkin.
And it's funny, isn't it? How our, well, it's the same with other genres, I suppose but those kind of movies were at once with with Hackman and Newman and people like that in them so so popular and suddenly they I don't know they kind of lost their edge maybe but anyway no idea why right I mean like French Connection like what they don't make those movies anymore and those used to be like the blockbusters wide or dog day afternoon what I think we do well? First of all, I think we do know. And they tried, even into the 90s, I was thinking about Ronan, that great De Niro, Frankenheimer movie.
Amazing. Again, trying to extend that idea, even out of sight with Clooney and those guys in Soderbergh.
Or Out of the Furnace, the Christian Bale movie. Yeah, all those movies tried.
But I think that what happened was, and I think I mentioned this before, we've spent the last at least decade kind of under the tyranny of IP. Yeah, for sure.
These films that were made, all the studios owned all this IP, and they're like, how can we squeeze as much as we can out of this IP, whether it's just for people like Sean and Scotty ruined the movie business because that's what they wanted. I hope they saved the planet Lindelore because that's where they, you know.
Careful. Jude's got a Star Wars thing coming up.
It's called Skeleton Crew. I can't wait.
Excluding Jude. I didn't talk about Star Wars, not Jude's Star Wars.
Anyway, I think that that is why. But I think you're right.
There's an appetite for this kind of thing now. Well, they're assuming they're going to get a built-in audience with this existing IP.
And so these original things are sort of put on the back burner. But my God, just a pure satisfying experience of going to see, you know, a caper, you know, or a thriller or something with just a true beginning, middle and end where you get invested with these characters and there's a sticky plot and like, why do I need some dude flying around on top of it all? Sean? But it goes full circle, I'm sure, right? Yeah.
I mean, people come, they'll always come back to it. It's like vinyl, right? Everyone comes back to vinyl.
You hope comes back to vinyl Hopefully this one will start. You know what, guess what? It's the same thing with music.
My kids listen to all this music that's very good but it all comes out of electronic interface as opposed to like plugging in an instrument and like you hear a snare drum or you hear a guitar. I mean I don't need to sound sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but I miss the sound of instruments and music.
Hopefully that comes back as well. It'll come back.
It'll come back. I think it does come back.
I mean, you're talking a lot about, I suppose, mainstream pop music. There is a lot.
There is a huge appetite for it. And there's a very thriving indie music, certainly.
I'm like such an old-school 90s dinosaur indie fan. But that has kind of come back.
There's a lot of guitar-driven music out there that's excellent. Yeah.
A lot of great American bands and, you know. So, Jude, how are you today? Hey, F you, Sean.
Sean, go fuck yourself. Hey, do you guys want to hear my impression of Sean and Scotty going to the movies again? Yeah, please.
Blah, blah, blah. I hope that they find, I hope he knows that his dad actually came from Scaliscore.
Do you know that his dad was in the other, and his key came from Scaliscore too. By the way, we just watched Alien Romulus again.
Again. That mythology is so great.
Where does that sit in the order of the alien? It comes before the original in the 70s. Oh.
Yeah. Ooh.
Or right after. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Have you watched the original again recently? Yes, it's incredible. And like the design, the design for it,

all those who was it who was watching it recently,

and they said they paused it and zoomed in on a little area behind, I think, Ian Holm.

And it was basically an old speaker turned inside out,

upside down and sprayed white or something.

Yes, yes.

It's really cool.

And in Romulus, the sets they made look like the 80s

because I misspoke. It comes after the original.
Sorry, in between the original. But anyway.
In that early Alien. Are you a fan? I love Alien, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's so good. I'm a big science fiction fan.
Where are you right now? Are you a hotel? Are you home? I'm in a hotel in Beverly Hills. Oh, fantastic.
I'm in Los Angeles for a while, promoting and, you know. Yeah, he is humping.
This guy's got stamina like you cannot believe. He's not going to stop until December.
I've heard, again, I don't want to get too much because we do love the Black Rabbit we want to talk about. We're all so excited for Black Rabbit.
There's time to talk about that. That's a year from now.
I will say, again, this is the highest compliment from JB. He talked about your stamina and your ability to show up on set every day and deliver in every way.
I've never seen him so impressed. I've never seen him so impressed, Jude.
Honestly, again, I'm going out of my way here, but it's so true. I need your notes on episode three and four.
If you can turn those around to me, Jude. Let's not turn this into a work session, okay? Let's just house it out now.
Okay, well, Jude, let's talk early days as you started as a performer. So we know where you've been and where you are now, but let's flash back to when you were a kid and the first time you said, Mom, dad, I want to perform, or somebody said, Jude, you need to perform.
What was the thing? Were you attracted to it? Did somebody notice it in you? What was the thing? How did it all start? It just sort of occurred because my parents were teachers. This is in the 70s in Southeast London and they but they had a passion for theatres so they were members of a

local theatre teachers uh this is in the 70s in in southeast london and they but they had a passion for theater so they were members of a local theater company and they would put on plays and i remember i grew up in a house where i remember there were always you know the kitchen was full of people rehearsing and uh or i'd come down and and and half our furniture would be gone because they'd be using it for for on a set in the play that they play that they were putting on. So it was just a big, and I just remember loving watching adults rehearse and goof about.
It looked like it was a dialogue. It was a language that made sense to me.
And I felt very comfortable in it. So really, honestly, it was like a kind of, what's the right word, segue as opposed to a kind of decision.
I got involved the older I got and did plays, and I joined a company as a kid. Brothers or sisters? I had a big sister who, she performed too, but she's a painter.
I thought that was the name of the theater company. I thought Jason was like Brothers and Sisters Theater Company.
It'd be a good one. Yeah, it a painter yeah she's a painter yeah yeah oh wow so the decision honestly was just i don't i mean when there was a there was a moment when i got offered a job in a tv show i was about 17 and made had to make the decision of leaving school moving out and they just sort of knew that was going to happen.
And they made me promise if it didn't work out, I'd go back to school. And I was like, of course.
But they were incredibly supportive. So wait, did you not finish high school like me? No, didn't finish.
Nice. Wow.
This is great. What I'm realizing also about your friendship with JB is that he hasn't asked you any questions about your life in all the time that you've known.
No, no, it's fun. Jude, what's your last name? He's like, do you have a sister? Did you finish high school? How the fuck would you not know that already? Well, I'm not in there on the guy's jock all day on the public set.
It's called just human interaction. It's just called being interested in somebody else other than yourself.
No, I can scroll through my phone in between takes. Jason and I stayed in character the whole time.

Oh, my God. We only talked.

Oh, my God.

I will be honest.

It was kind of weird when he shaved the beard

because he'd been my big brother with the beard.

Yeah.

Like, you know, we've been hugging and fighting,

and it's been full on.

And it suddenly appeared, and he was Jason Bateman.

Yeah, Jason Bateman.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

You guys did so much storytelling together.

Oh, God, Will. And we will be right back.
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So Jude, but that decision to go and do, to go do a television program or stay in school, when I hear you say it, and I think about wanting to be a performer and being 17, like, that's a kind of an easy decision. Like, hey, do you want to go do it? Yeah.
Or do you want to stay in school? I really love school. Yeah.
When did you know that you were safe, that it was actually going to be something that could provide an income for you. Yeah.
Honestly, not until I was in my early 20s and I'd done a movie or two and really, yeah. What was your first one? What was your first film? So my first film was a movie called Shopping and it was about car thieves and that was in the early 90s.
And then I did a film, another English film, but a period film called Wild about Oscar Wilde. And Stephen Fry played Oscar Wilde, and I played his boyfriend, Bocey Douglas, who was a nasty piece of work.
And around then, I'd done a lot of theater in the film. Yeah, I guess around then, I still thought, oh, this is a job.
When was the move? You were still in England at that point?

Well, Wild, you got, that was the first, like, you got a little, you got some recognition

for that performance in Wild.

That kind of, like, put you up a notch.

Yeah, I got those, you know, newcomer awards.

Right.

And, you know, welcome to the gang awards kind of thing.

Yeah.

Well, that's kind of good, though. I mean, that's kind of when you're a young actor.
I mean, it's meaningful, yeah? Totally. But you know how it is.
There's still that funny feeling of, God, I just want to get another job. You know, like you still think the unpredictable nature of what we do, the waiting is still quite alarming.
And you haven't got enough money in the bank. Like you're kind of thinking, okay, God, this is unpredictable.
Even today, all four of us are not out of the woods. We never will be.
The only thing that I think we have going for us is that if our careers were to end soon, there would be sort of a downhill trajectory of maybe three or four jobs before you're done. Like that's the only sort of pad we have built in there.
Whereas back when Jude was starting, maybe this could be your last job. I think the four of us are at a point now, we're so lucky to have had our success, but it still only is built in like a three-job off-ramp.
Not if I release Sean's texts. I think it's going to be immediate.
I could use any. Jude, I will.
So Jude, because I'm kind of building towards this, which is the film I think that I first, that I as a consumer and a film goer and as a young actor,

you know, looking,

aspiring to do stuff,

noticed you in a film that I, to this day, adore

and talk about science fiction,

a really pure,

I think one of the great

science fiction films,

Gattaca, You and Ethan.

That performance, that film.

Andrew Nichol.

Andrew Nichol.

What an incredible,

Andrew Nichol, amazing filmmaker.

But that film was really remarkable.

Talk a little bit about that, would you? Well, it was the first film that brought me to Hollywood and it was the first time, and you know, it was one of those rare occasions where you read a script and you just can't believe it's as good as it is and that they want you to be in it. That was pretty extraordinary.
You know, I was thinking a lot about that recently, and Ethan was such an incredible teacher, really. To meet and work with Ethan at that early formative moment was really impactful.
He's such a gent, and he takes it so seriously, but with such a humor and a creative sort of approach. And I remember watching him, and we had all our stuff together.
That was really influential. But moving here, moving to the States and making a film, and I remember going and rehearsing on the Sony lot, and yeah, it was just.
It was kind of fantastical. Where did you move to? Where was your first spot? What was it called? Were you down there in Culver City near the lot? No, I was in West Hollywood.
I was in one of those funny little hotels where you've got a kitchen in the corner, something sweet, Summerfield sweet, something like that. Yeah, yeah.

Where you have a bed,

everything's in one room.

Wasn't as glamorous as you thought the Hollywood

sort of journey would be?

Honestly, I was just happy

someone else was picking up the bill.

At that point,

you were just happy

it wasn't raining.

I think,

I think,

I think,

you know,

you talk about Ethan,

first of all,

I do want to say this,

and we've had him on the show, we're such fans. I think he is such an unheralded artist.
And I don't usually use that word as much because sometimes it makes me cringe. But he is such an artist, that guy.
And he is, and started, you know, young, as we know. He was a child actor.
We're talking about Ethan Hawke. Ethan Hawke, yeah, sorry, Tracy.
We're talking about Ethan Hawke. He's one of those guys, he could have, if he'd had more artistry, Jason could have been him, but he's one of those, and I say that, Jason, and I love what you do.
It feels like a compliment. No, it is.
I just got to kind of look into it a little bit. No, but...
Pack that. He is, no, he's kind of like uh i i really do i i love a all his performances are so good and so raw and amazing and i love his approach and hearing him talk about oh yeah art and so when you told me that you learn a lot i believe that i believe that that relationship was generous too generous that's another Really generous on set, you know, and aware that he's got, he was working with someone who was pretty green.
I mean, I'd only done a couple of films and I'm still a little bit like this, but, you know, just warm and, yeah, it was a very happy time. But here's the funny thing, you know, again, too young to realize that that doesn't mean the film's going to be a hit, right? So you're sitting there going, wow, I'm in Hollywood, and this is, it's really good, and it is, it's a great film, and the proof with that one is that people still refer to it.
Thank you for what you said, I mean, and you're right, it holds up. Oh my God.
But at the time, it just sort of disappeared, and I kind of, you know, that was my first taste of, oh. You've got to keep trying.
You've got to keep throwing the spaghetti at the wall until it sticks, right? But, and I think, yeah, you know, it's funny. You do have that, again, as a consumer of it and somebody who watched it and adored it, to me it was a hit in the sense that it worked and it was brilliant and all that kind of.
So I walked out of the theater with whomever and say, like, God, that was an incredible film and blah, blah, blah. So I sort of put it in that place that it's an incredible film.
I don't know if the accountants... Funny that, right? It's funny how that happens.
Yeah, the accounts at the studio... No, exactly.
But it's funny how, you know, if it stays in your... I mean, it's not one of those we look back on and go, well, it worked at the time worked at the time but you know again this is why it's such a shame in a way that films are judged on their opening weekend you think let's come back and re-review this in 10 years, 5 years, 10 well that's one of the things I like about streaming right like there is no sort of scorecard there's no sort of results it's's just up there.
And if you like it, you tell somebody about it, and then they watch it. They might like it.
And it's just people then experience it when they want, how they want. And I like that it's just on the merits.
It's not qualified by... And old catalogs get rediscovered again, right? Yeah.
Someone was telling that Grey's Anatomy is this show that is suddenly being watched by everybody. Oh, all these shows.
What's the show? Suits. Suits.
Yeah. Suits has had this thing where everybody's, people are like, oh, have you watched Suits? But I wonder what the algorithm or their thing says to let's try Suits, let's try Grey's Anatomy.
You know, like, I wonder. Yeah.
It's interesting. You know, Jude.
Sorry, Sean. No, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go.
You know what? I'm going to Gattaca. I was just going to say this, which is, so you do Gattaca and you come out and it brings you out here and it kind of introduces and brings you to Hollywood.
And then what was the gap? You did that and then you did, I want to say that you did, well, the time between that and Talented Mr. Ripley.
Yeah. Because those were both late 90s films that were really amazing, impactful films.
Yeah, Ripley really raised my game because of the nominations and the other people in it. There was a little bit of a, there were a few tumbleweed moments between Gattaca and Ripley where because Gattaca hadn't been a financial hit, I did a couple of smaller parts.
But still, there's that thing of, it's not consistent. And Ripley really was a leap for me.
And then you were on the set with another gem, Matt Damon. I'll bet you had a great time with him too.
Yeah, I mean, he could be a little, I mean. He's not bright, but.
No, he's not bright. Matt's really not that bright.
He's really hot and cold, let's be honest. And he blew it.
He blew it at Wordle this morning. I will say this.
I busted two days ago. I bet you did too.
I did not. Everybody else busted on that day.
And I did not. I got a six.
Wait, what was it again? Was it Radar or something like that? No, no, no, no. I'll tell you right now.
Because Bob texted me about it. And he was like, what did you get today? Have you tried Quirtle? Oh, my.
Don't get them started, Jude. I do Quirtle, Octurtle, and Wordle, all three, every morning with Matt and two other guys, every morning for three years.
That's consistent. Every morning.
Get back to your guest. So get back to your guest.
Wait, so you do a couple of tumbleweeds, and then you do Ripley. Did you know Anthony Minghella before? No.
I was working I did this really odd little film with a director from Hong Kong and Anthony's wife was one of the producers on it and he was watching the rushes for that while he was casting. I mean I look back on that decision I don't know what I don't know how.
I mean, I don't know what he saw. I mean, it's amazing.
It's amazing. Saw some raw talent and somebody pretty easy on the eyes.
Hell of a leap, though. Was his daughter Hannah around, the great Hannah Minghella? The great Hannah.
And Max, who's now a director, was like a little boy on set of that. He was, I think, when they were, say, 10.
Was Hannah there too? Hannah was around, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Right. In that way, now that was shot in some beautiful spots too, right? Yeah.
I mean, I look, you know, on location all down the coast in Italy, we rehearsed at the famous Cina Citta studio in Rome. And then we shot in Rome.
We shot in Ischia, which is this beautiful island off Naples. Near Capri.
Near Capri. There's three, then Procida, and yeah, it was beautiful.
But you're down there. Sorry, I just want to say, because, oh, God, this is so delicious to me.
It's you. Sean, I think Will's falling as much in love with him as I am.
I'm going to have a duel with Will. I've been in love with Jude since we had that dinner over at our buddy's house a few months ago.
What a great dinner. Yeah.
You were there too. I thought it was a table for two.
We were all there. That was a great dinner.
So it was you and Matt and Gwyneth Paltrow and Phil Hoffman. Phil Hoffman.
The great Phil Hoffman. Kate Bunchet.
I mean, and then Anthony Minghella directing, and you're in Italy, and my question is, when you do something like that, it's kind of like the Gattaca thing in a way, but it's different. Are you able to, in the moment, did you appreciate it? Did you have moments where you went like, man, this is really amazing? Or not?

Is it wasted on you?

Not as much as I wish I had.

Yeah. There was a bit of me looking back.
But now you can, I'll bet. Well, yeah, I'm better at it.
But there's, you know, in that I kind of thought, well, this is what movies are like. You know, sitting on a beach and sailing a yacht and hanging out with all these cool young movie stars.
And it it was it was exceptionally special because of the you know the the goodwill that anthony had um uh deservedly been given through the success of the english patient and and the people that he had assembled were you know pretty pretty extraordinary group from from the cast to all the crew but it was um it was a it was a great great experience. And I wish I'd been a little better at just living in it and realizing how special it was.
But the number of projects that you've done, speaking about your ability to assess whether you're on board a sinking ship or not, It's just the number of projects that you've done is just outstanding. And they're all like huge hits.
Well, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people that have worked a lot, but it's just because they don't like home and they'll just do whatever.
Everything you've done has been incredible. You've certainly been incredible in it.
Some of, you know, out of your own power. JB, but also not just the volume, but how different a lot of them have been tonally.
And also just like doing Shakespeare on Broadway and shit. I mean, like this guy, you don't know what you're dealing with with this guy.
Dude, I remember like Jason just said, all these great things that you've done your whole life. And then I remember when Spy came out with Melissa McCarthy and I was like, is that Jude Law? Like it was the greatest left-hand turn ever.
I was like, I've never seen Jude do something like this. It was so good.
I was just mad about her. I just so wanted to work with her And witness.
I think a lot of, honestly, I've been thinking about this recently, about what kind of drives me. And a lot of it is curiosity.
It's why I've kind of done different franchises too. I sort of, you know, I really, I'm a bit of a film nerd.
Like I just love going to the movies and going to, you know, seeing stuff and having an opinion. But I'm also kind of dead curious about how do they do that? How's that done? And she was flying at that time.
And her and Paul Fag and that work that they were doing, I just wanted to witness it. I'll be honest, I did not feel I was in my comfort zone.
Really? There's a scene opposite her. I suddenly realized very clearly, oh, you're the straight guy.
Okay, this is fine. I can't play that.
Because Paul's coming over and writing all these notes. He's going, try that, try this.
And she's just firing off. I mean, I'm holding it together just trying to keep a straight face, right? Yeah, yeah.
Just don't lose it and really make a fool of yourself. Yeah.
But my goodness, the speed. Yeah.
And the ideas. And then just, and like talk about going off on a tangent you're sitting there thinking what are you talking about? She's an absolute she's an absolute comedy titan I mean Melissa McCarthy and also by the way should we mention our good friend my good friend Jason yours too Pete Serafin which is in that film as as well.
Yes. In Spy, our lovely Pete.
He's fantastic in that film. There's a scene where the two of them, I think, handcuffed together, right? And they're kind of lying on top.
So it's a weird sort of sex-y make-out scene, kind of we escape. God, he's good.
He's so good. And by the way, a great Pete Serafinowicz story.
Last year, I hadn't spoken to him in about 18 months, maybe almost two years. And we were quite good friends years ago.
I mean, we still are, but we sort of hadn't talked to each other. And out of the blue, I texted him, so what else is going on? And after I saw that it had been a couple years, and he answered almost immediately, that's about it.
So, so funny. So Jude, with all of the great incoming calls I'm sure you get, how do you, is there, I'm sure you base your choices on many, many things, but is there one thing that is above all else will drag you towards a project? Is it the director? Sorry, I was just saying, is this thing saying money? No.
Yeah, of course. Well, but I mean, look, you know, everyone needs it.
Is it filmmaker? Is it role? Is it location? Is it money? Is it schedule? Is there one thing that is most important to you ever, or does it change? I kind of balance it up. You know, I love the idea of a challenge, a little bit like the role I play in The Order, which just felt like something completely new and different, and the opportunity to work with someone like Justin on that, who I knew I was in good hands, and he'd sort of take me there.
He's the director.

But, you know, those films, Justin Cazell, yeah.

And he, that experience was a very good experience,

you know, but you have to balance a film like that with,

you know, and then I was like, okay, now I need to pay my rent.

So, you know, you've got to kind of find something

that's going to balance that out.

But also, I'm curious.

God, he, fuck, Jay, what a shot shot in the nuts he did your thing for the money fuck dude you're in love with the guy you've had a great experience and he only did it for the fucking dough and while he was there he did a great job you're a paycheck to him keep going dude sorry i interrupted it's it's i mean you mentioned kind of all the the the boxes that you check, right? And all of them at a different time have a different order. So sometimes, yeah, it's where are we filming this? Who's in it? All of those things come to play.
Family, like we're bringing kids and all that kind of stuff is important. Yeah, so I mean, specifically over the the last two years, I've got a house that's being renovated and I'm having one of those nightmares.
And it's just going on and on and on. So me and my wife and the two little ones, I've just been like, okay, well, let's just travel the world.
Let's just go wherever I'm working. So we've been.
For like two years. For two years.
So we really have. We we were in Canada and then France and then Australia and then New York.
So it's been, it's been wild, but that, so it really has been just following the, um, following the work. And the kids love it.
And they're very little. They're both, they're both under five.
So it's not like, uh, you know, they're, they're, as long as we're both there looking calm and happy. They're calm and happy.
Exactly, exactly. Do you ever find, like, I always find that fascinating when you do have this schedule that you do.
Do you miss a home base? Do you miss, like, a groundedness to come back to? I thought I would more, but I really haven't. And we found some really beautiful homes around, and some not so great, but mostly really good experiences.
I'll tell you what I have found hard. I found it really hard going back to UK because without my house, like I had this lovely home there for, you know, I've always lived there.
But going there as a visitor and sort of renting something, it just doesn't feel right. It feels really disconcerting.
I was just there for a couple of weeks to see my family, my parents. And I don't know.
But equally, I've learned I quite like being a foreigner. I quite like being a foreigner in a city.
It feels slightly less emotionally tiring. I don't know why.
In the UK, I read the news about the UK and I'm like, oh, not again. What are they doing? You know, I feel so emotionally.
It's like your uncle letting you down. You're like, oh, don't behave like that.
Yeah, we don't have anything like that here. Whereas here, I'm like, well, that's not my problem.
Yeah, that's nice. So when you go back and you're sitting with your parents at dinner, is there ever a time to reflect and go back like we're doing now about, hey, remember when you guys kind of lit the fuse in me with the theater and stuff? Like things have worked out.
A little bit. My mom's not so well.
The light in my mom is – I'm sorry. Or the spirit of my mom is slowly fading.
She's happy and she's not in pain, but know she's not who she she was very much the lightning in our family she was the kind of trailblazer she was the one putting on these plays and telling you know packing up our crazy little french de chevaux car and saying right we're gonna drive across france and camp and like she just was full of energy and really I think a big part of why

I'm doing what I do and my sister does what she does. So I miss that with her.
I certainly have

that with my sister still and my dad and that's fun. It's nice looking back at those.
It's

interesting, isn't it? The further away you get from that formative time, how you can reflect on

what impact it was having on you and what direction it was sending you in, you know. We'll be right back.
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and having done all the stuff that you've done and really proven any point you ever would have wanted to make or make people proud or yourself proud, I can't imagine that there's any box left unchecked, but you tell me, is there something, if it came your way, you go, ah, yeah, that I have not yet done or I've been avoiding, you know, is it a freaking musical? Is it a voice in an animated film? Is it, I mean, you've just touched so many things. There are definitely filmmakers out there that I admire immensely and would really love to work with.
And there's the odd part. Yeah, but not sort of, I mean, there are roles in Shakespeare that I'd love to play one day on stage, but that's sort of not necessarily immediately.
But honestly, something you and I talked about and something you're so good at encouraging, I've seen you do it with others, is directing. I love the idea of it.
It scares the hell out of me. You make it look incredibly straightforward and easy.
I don't know how you do that. I mean, watching you direct, lead that team out of the gate and perform in it was really quite remarkable, man.
And it kept making me think. Having a partner like you makes it easy, truly.
It made me really look at it and consider again. It scares me because of the scale of the decisions.
Is it one of those because you thought, like, fuck, if this guy could do it, then anybody could? Exactly. I get that.
That makes sense. That's not as scary.
If this simpleton, if this... No, talk a little bit about it,

because he is, and Jason is,

and we are so proud of him.

We love him dearly,

and we're so proud of what he's been able to do.

What it was like working with Jason as a director.

Talk a little bit about that,

because we do talk about it,

but we haven't had anybody on here, really,

to talk about that experience.

Okay.

The mood.

So talking to those who don't know. Talk about his explosion.
Yeah, no. The explosion, yeah.
This is the thing. You know, you guys will know the most important thing I think on a film set is the atmosphere, right? It's a massive team.
All these different groups and skill sets doing all these different things, but they all want to be appreciated. They all want their time and they all need their time.
And Jason is just a master at keeping that going. I mean, the spirit of this company, I've got to tell you, cast, crew, everyone, was so positive.
I mean, that was demonstrated at the end. We had a wonderful wrap party.
Everybody's there with their family. Everyone stays from like early doors to the close.
I mean, it was so popular. Which is unusual.
Yeah, it is unusual. And that was led by him.
And the style of the piece was set up by Jason because it was how he saw it. And he, like I said, led us out of the gates.
He directed the first two. And so setting that up and getting that right and sort of, what's the word? Ingraining it in the DNA of the piece.
And then as an actor, right? And then he's also there as an actor playing opposite you, leading by example, but also there are those moments where suddenly it's just those little tiny words of suggestion or little tiny nudges like, this is great, this is good, but should we go down this path? Should we try this? And it's those moments where you feel like, oh, this is so much fun. You're kind of playing.
And even if you're doing a really dramatic scene, you're kind of giggling to yourself thinking like, oh, we're doing this. And our parents are out of town.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're allowed to.
We can keep going. Yeah, JB, do you have that a little bit of like, I can't believe I got the keys to the car here.
Oh, every second of the day. And all the toys.
Right, yes, exactly. And it was also sort of like, you got to be such a smarty pants when you're directing and be sort of serious and you got to think about every corner of the room.
But then this character I was playing was such a dingbat, like a lovely sort of like just simpleton. And so having to throw that switch in between like, okay, here we go, ready? Yeah, okay, let's roll.
And then I was sort of joking. I told Jude, I said, you know, the sort of the, what do you call it? The fix or the secret to going into my character.
All I have to do is just separate my jaw. Because this guy's kind of a mouth breather.
Yeah, I go from director to this character by just separating my jaw. And we're ready to go.
Here we go. Let's roll.
That's really funny. Well, I will say, I will say before you'd actually directed, you'd actually directed before, but I will say for our experience of working on Arrested Development, Jason was the ultimate team captain, and I also learned a lot about what it takes to be a captain.
No, but what it takes to be a captain from that guy. It was potentially the only thing I learned because he has nothing else to teach him.
I can get you to 10. You can count to 10 if I can teach you.
What's your impression, Jude? Just quickly, thin slice of Sean. Take a look at him over there.
I look like a thin slice. Thin slice take.
Of white bread. I mean, be honest.
Be brutally honest. I like the idea.
I'm going to join Sean in that bubble. I like the idea of being pushed around.
Just zip him in. Yeah.
He's just trying to keep his powder dry for the Star Wars section of the interview, which we can start now, Johnny, if you're all set and ready to go. That, but I have one question before.
I am ready to go on that. But one question before.
Scotty slides in on a chair like Saturday Night Live and we can update you. Just like this.
We're just saying stuff. No, Jude, you know, we touched on it before a little bit.
I want to go back just for a second. That time when you're sitting between jobs and you're like, God, is something going to come? And the uncertainty of what we do.
When you were younger and you went through those, did you have other jobs? Is there a time where you're like, God, I should start thinking of something else to do with my life because I don't think anything's going to come. And then Talented Mr.
Ripley comes or whatever it is. Fortunately not.
And I lived a pretty simple life early on. And then I became a father pretty young and that would be all consuming.
So that I was always, I mean, there was always something to do. So fatherhood didn't scare you into thinking about another occupation?

Well, luckily, it was never so much that I suddenly thought,

and if it was, then I was usually saved by the life support of another job or a potential another job.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

But I realized in the last couple of years,

it's been a really big shift for me with my company,

because suddenly, even if they're not coming to fruition, although we've had a pretty good run in the last couple of years, just having the sense that you've got your hands on the reins and you can develop stuff and you're communicating with writers and directors. This is Riff Raff with the great Ben Jackson.
Great Ben Jackson, who's been alongside me for like 22 years. And the company has given me a much better sense of navigating those moments of thinking.
Because ultimately you're still an actor waiting for someone to think you're right for a part. But if you can cook your own food, that's a real privileged place to be.
And you don't take it lightly. And you work really, really hard as a producer he yeah yeah I love it I like the process of I love finding ideas I love introducing writers to directors and seeing that kind of blossom and bloom and that is a side I love it that's the way it happened with order right didn't didn't you contact Justin Curzel for for this that's right that's right tell what was that conversation like you know him before? No, not at all.
You were just a fan of... Massive fan.
And you know when you suddenly, someone, and it's never me, I'm really good at chiming and having an opinion, but I'm never someone, I'm never very good with a blank page. You know when people go, okay, let's discuss the directors.
I always go, uh... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you know, you can't be, I want to be the smart one who goes, I i've got a left to field idea i'm always like you go first and then and then i'm really strong to go no no no not them not them not them yeah yeah but someone mentioned justin i think it was zach or it could have been brian zach balin our wonderful writer who we worked together on black rabbit and um it just was one of those oh oh, yes, this is a perfect fit. This guy looks at really dark areas and kind of toxic people, but puts them in a world where you start, it's not about empathizing with them, but you understand them, and he makes it kind of safe video, go into their worlds.
And then he also operates on this high he's a he's a big guy and he loves capturing the energy of scenes and drama and he was just the perfect fit so yeah we we had it was uh it we zoomed with him he was in his he was in his house in tasmania with his big beard and it looked literally like his hair all blown it looked like he'd just come off a, you know, hauled in a whale and kind of come in and sat there like this

and just blew us away with his insight.

Yeah, I think I can do this.

Yeah, and then when we were looking to get a director

for the finale of Black Rabbit,

Zach and Jude and Zach's partner, Kate,

they suggested Justin Krizelle.

And I was like, are you fucking kidding? We're not going to get Justin Krizelle to direct the finale of this thing? And they're like, no, no, no, we can ask him. What do you mean? How do you know him? Well, we just finished a movie with him.
Come on, you guys just did a movie? So I had no idea that they had just worked with Justin. And thank God it went well because they reached out and asked him.
He answered the phone. They said, phone.
And was the reaction from the crew when he came to, was there like, now we got a director on set. Now we can get going.
Exactly. I saw that.
We just teed that up. I know, I know.
But by the way, if I don't do it, if I didn't say that, Jason would call me after and say, are you okay? Like, are you sick? Yeah, you were a star wars yes and or uh acolyte uh where does star wars uh skeleton crew come in the line i mean it's it's absolutely standalone right it is i like that yeah i mean it fits in i think it's around the same time as the mandalorian here's what got me. You know, I was six, seven when the first film came out.
And I was thinking about this the other day. I mean, I don't remember going.
I maybe saw The Rescuers or 101 Dalmatians. Yeah, totally.
And then Star Wars. So to me, that was cinema.
I was like, holy cow. What the hell is this? And not only that, for the next five years, it was what I played.
I was living it. I was running around my yard going, pew, pew, right, I'm Han.
You know, I'm Vader. Still am.
Yeah. And, you know, so it was formative.
And John Watts just had this awesome idea. He called me and said, so look, you know, what if we, all that awe and wonder and dazzle that we had as kids, what if we put the kids in that world? So it's taking goonies, it's taking normal kids, you kind of argue, and they don't get on with their parents, or they don't get on with each other, or they don't like school.
They run away, they get lost, and they're in that world. Yeah, that's cool, that's cool.
That's really cool. And I was just like, this is a great idea.
I love that. Have you enjoyed that style of work with the volume stages, the green screen? It was all volume, luckily, yeah.
I mean, I think had it been all green, I don't know that I would have enjoyed it as much. I've done that before.
The volume is really wonderful. Yeah? Really? For Tracy, this is a stage that's basically, every wall is like a big movie screen.
With high definition. Yeah, you're living in an atmosphere.
So they put the flooring in. So say you're on a moon, the floor is dust and sand and rocks and boulders, but it goes right up to the volume screen and then the perspective of the screen just carries on.
So you can be standing in a desert that disappears for hundreds of miles with ships flying around you and with a wind blowing, right? They use a wind machine. So you're on, for all intents and purposes, you're on that moon.
And so it's not just for the viewer too as as an actor when when you're performing you're actually seeing that you're you're experiencing that as well yeah that's really cool and and and the same goes for then a more cluttered set like a market we did this huge spaceport and they built all the um you know the machine the uh the bars and the the stalls and what have you and each avenue looks like it just goes on and on and on and on. And you've got creatures crossing over.
And of course, what you've really only got is, let's say, 50 foot of that. And then the rest is just all on these huge screens.
Yeah, that's really cool. I want to go back to...
Sean, you could do one where you could have your dad, like he's there. Oh, man, could you imagine? I don't think there's screens.
And you could have it so that he's not leaving. He's staying.
He's there. You can just put the screen on pause.
He's not leaving your family. Wait, before we get out of the skeleton crew world to talk about, who else is in that with you? Because I think I read somebody that I know is in that with you.
Who else is in it? Kerry Condon and Tunde from TV on the radio. And then there are the four kids.
Do you know Tunde? He's a lovely guy. I met him a couple times.
He's really cool. I'm a big fan of TV on the radio.
Yeah, me too. And his interesting piece of trivia.
He was great in Rachel Got Married. Remember he was in that? That's right.
That's right. Demi.
Demi film. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Did they play all the music live in that? I think they did.
Did they really? In real time. I think that was the idea on that film, that when, because remember, they're in a band and they're all playing at the wedding.
I love the way that film looked. Do you remember the color of that film? Yeah.
Is it Ted Demme or Jonathan Demme? Oh, good question. Jonathan.
Both, yeah. Jude, when you named all those.
Nick Frost. Is Nick Frost in it? Nick Frost is the voice of a droid.
Oh, I love Nick Frost. Nick Frost is one of my favorites.
Sorry, Sean. He's one of my favorites of all time.
I love Nick Frost. I love Nick.
He's so fucking... Me too.
We all know. He's so fucking funny.
Yeah, he is funny. When you were going, Jude, when you were talking about going from city to city to, you know, in the last few years,

just going, all those cities you named,

is it hard to keep a schedule for eating properly,

working out, taking care of yourself

with the time differences

and then living in a trailer

and then coming back to a hotel?

It seems like so,

it's like to me, it seems so disruptive.

Yeah.

But a gorgeous life

because we're all doing what we love to do.

But how do you maintain a good schedule for yourself?

Thank you. it seems so disruptive but a gorgeous life because we're all doing what we love to do but how do you maintain a good schedule for yourself? Allow a lot of time when I land somewhere to get over jet lag I'm not one of those people who can just pick straight up and get it, I'm like give me a couple of days because I think jet lag really is like an illness, you've got to kind of love yourself a bit and go, it's like you go to bed you know and but but you've also then yeah once you're out of that i i i i enjoy uh i really like keeping fit so i train quite hard every day usually before i go to work so whatever that time is i usually go do something for an hour right and then i usually take my own food so i can eat when i really want i can't be doing on a set where they're like, lunch, and you're like, it's 5 p.m.
What are you talking about? What was I meant? I got to eat at the right time. Right, right.
So I eat, like I get up and I eat in the morning. I make sure I've got food so when it's midday or one, I eat my lunch.
Yeah. Are you particular about your food? Do you eat quite healthily, et cetera? Yeah.
I'll eat anything. But I can feel myself getting a bit slower and stodgier if I don't eat well.
Yeah. But I'm kind of got a funny relationship.
I really love a good restaurant. I love good food.
But equally, it's just fuel. You know what I mean? I like lamb.
You like lamb? I love lamb. Lamb chops? Yes.
Hang on a second. I love lamb chops.
Hey, man, we're not doing non sequiturs at a left field right now. I love lamb.
You know what? I had lamb last night. I want lamb chops.
I had lamb last night. Wait, they're at the house? Did you go to a restaurant, Willie? No, I had lamb at home here, yeah.
And you know what I was really upset about? Was it a lamb shank? They were lamb chops, and I didn't have any... Somehow, there was no mint jelly or mint sauce.
Oh, you see, my wife loves the mint jelly. I'm not fussing about it.
As long as it's got a little seasoning on it. Yeah.
I really need it. You know, Jude, we honestly, I don't know about you guys.
I mean, we could just keep this going forever, probably, if you wanted to. I told you.
I know. Jason, you were so right.
We're going to save this for the wrap-up, but he is something else. Jude, what an absolute delight.
We have kept you away. No, for me too.
Oh, God. I'm so happy you did this.
We'll do it again when Black Rabbit comes on in about a year. Yes, we got it.
And I just, I'm crazy about you. Love you.
I'm going to talk to you. I'm actually going to call you right after the end of this because I need to ask a question about something.
But thank you, buddy, for doing this. Enjoy the rest of your press trip.
Stay rested and get back to the family and enjoy the winter. Yeah.
It's what a joy. And so lovely to see the three of you.
This has been a joy. Thank you.
It's good to see you, Jude. Great luck with the order.
Everybody, go see the order. It's so damn good.
Go see anything that Jude's in. Go see it.
Go see it. Go watch it.
Go stream it. Go see it.
Jude, you are a gentleman. Thank you, sir.
Take care. Take care, buddy.
Goodbye. Bye.
Do I do that? He did it. He did it.
He's fantastic. So guys, I'm telling you, this guy, if you think he's great on a podcast or a Zoom call, try going in the trenches with him for eight months.
You always talked about how much joy you had with him. You really did.
And it was unsolicited. Like you would just be like, God, that's your lie.
While you were making it from every stage, you're like, God, this guy is great. God, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Like you were just, and you meant it. Yeah.
He's one of the best partners ever. I'll tell you, one of the other ones was, a guy we was Matt Damon.
Did that little bit on air. And I mean, just the level of experience and professionalism with these guys is just not to be undervalued.
Also, it probably comes from gratitude too. Like we all know what it's like not to work.
And then when you get, you know, when you're lucky enough to be in that position. Yeah, they definitely appreciate where they're at.
J.B., have you ever seen that, Gattaca? I did, but I don't remember it, which is not uncommon. Sean, you've seen it, right? I can't believe I've never seen it.
Sean? I know, I'm going to watch it. I really urge people, and again, I don't want to, I've waxed on a lot, but that film is really a remarkable film.
It's really good. And Jude is so...
It's hard to imagine that it's one of the first things he did because he's so excellent in it. You know, he's one of those actors who never sucks.
Never, ever. You're exactly right, Chibi.
He's in the John Goodman school. He never, ever sucks.
Ever. Actors who know kind of what their goalposts are and have the discipline to not, you know, or the overindulgence to step outside of that.
Like he finds a version of himself in every character that he does and yet he never plays anything safe. So, you know, it's just...
Pretty cool. Thank you for bringing him on.
Yeah, I was so happy to be able to have him because obviously he should have been your guest, but I was happy to... We'll get him next year.

Well, I wanted him a long time ago

before you guys started working together.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah.

So I wanted him a long time ago,

and then it just sort of,

this is when it happened.

I'm glad that we made it through the entire interview

without talking about fucking Robert Downey.

You know what I mean?

Oh, that guy.

About Sherlock.

Because Downey has gotten so much fucking free air. I'm so mad at Downey.
You know what I mean? Oh, that guy. About Sherlock.
Because Downey has gotten so much fucking free air.

I'm so mad at Downey.

What?

Because why?

Just in general.

Just because.

Just success.

The success.

His success.

And I know he's very deserving of it, blah, blah.

But I'm just kind of, you know.

Let's have a counterpoint.

Where do you think he's over-ing uh opinions yeah he's he'll just he'll call me he'll you want to talk about facetime you always he faced down he facetimes in a way like it's so out of the blue and then he's in the bath and he'll go the bath. And he'll go, you know, I was thinking what you should do.
And I'm like, fucking what, man? Towel off and just call me or write me. I do love him.
I do love him to death, though, I will say. He's doing a big play.
Go see his play. Go see McNeil with our good friend Robert Downey.
I think it's probably closed by now. What depends on when this airs? Oh, yeah.
It depends on when it airs. Lincoln Center.

But I tell you what never closes

is Jude Law's Talent.

Right.

So good.

That is open.

It's always open.

Always open.

24-7.

Think about,

Jay, you said,

and Sean,

you named out like,

think about all the different films

that he's,

when I was thinking about.

But you're not even touching his theater.

I know.

This guy has been on Broadway

with like Othello or Hamlet or Macbeth or probably all three of them. I think he got a Tony nomination for one of those.
Yeah, yeah. Or maybe one.
I mean, he's just done- Yeah, he's- We didn't mention- We did not mention the Sherlock Holmes films, which were major- Major. Major hits.
Road to Perdition. You ever seen that? Incredible.
Yeah, so good. I love the movie.
Cold Mountain. He got an Academy Award nomination for that.
That was amazing. AI.
He was in that film AI. Yeah.
Yeah, I love that. Like 20 years ago.
Yeah. Enemy at the Gates.
You ever seen that film? Enemy at the Gates where he plays, I think he plays like a sniper in Stalingrad. Is that the one? Oh, wow.
You ever seen that? Really? No, I haven't seen that one. Oh, dude.
I'm up for all the same parts all the time. You are.
Three callbacks. You've been up for them.
Yeah. The animated version of each of these.
No, have you? Real snipers, yeah. Really? Yeah, Sniper City.
One's called Sniper City. The other one's called Sniper City.
Sniper City. There's one, another one's called Sniper.
I didn't even know her. Wow.
Yeah. You know what? I haven't heard of it.

I wonder who all of those were written.

Those are out now.

I wonder who they were written.

Bye.

Bye.

Jason doesn't even say it.

Say bye, Jason.

Bye.

Bye.

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