"Jude Law"

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Speaker 1 Hey, good morning, everybody. How is everybody doing? Real good.
What a nice sleep. What a yeah.
Will you were snoring a little bit last night? I had to turn you over a couple of times. I know.

Speaker 1 Yes, and I had no covers on me. That was weird.
Yeah, you didn't.

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Speaker 1 That was my bad. I forgot to take it down.
Okay. Anyway, let's do a podcast, huh? Welcome to Smartless.
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Speaker 1 How's everybody doing?

Speaker 1 I'm great. I haven't even had a chance to open up my breakfast bar.
Hello, ASMR.

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Jesus. Okay.

Speaker 1 Have you guys had your breakfast yet? I have. I have not.
I'm just empty. What did you have, Willie? I had one cup of oatmeal made with water

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 some berries. Do they let you out for an hour of exercise each day? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a few berries with it, and then a drizzle of maple syrup, pure maple syrup, for taste. I don't say drizzle ever again.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 and then I had five scrambled eggs. Jesus, my chest hurts.
Five eggs? Why, your chest shouldn't hurt. It's not bad for your chest.

Speaker 1 You know, I think there was one report that said that eggs are not cholesterol problems anymore, and I love that report as much as you do, but I'd love to hear a second.

Speaker 1 Well, my doctor told me that. So

Speaker 1 put it this way. What's your cholesterol and what's mine? And you're the one who like eats all this shit and what's yours and what's mine? My cholesterol is horrendous.
Yeah. Mine's in my family.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mine's 90. I will tell you, I just had one of those full body scans.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And no brain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Completely empty. Sir, can we talk to you for a second? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just one microchip up there. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 They said it's not, there's no heart. They just found a box with a picture of a heart in it.

Speaker 1 So did you get the results back? Yes, thank you. The results were fine.

Speaker 1 Everything is fantastic. And

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm very pleased. Because, you know, you never know with those things.
You could get the, okay, so your appointment to review your scan results or is it tomorrow at three o'clock?

Speaker 1 Okay, so tomorrow at three o'clock, I'm going to find out if I've got something I've got in the middle of it. And you walk in and they get six guns.
They've got the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 They've got six guns and they're like, they'd actually like to do this in person. The team needs to speak to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, Jason, can you clear your schedule for the next four months?

Speaker 1 And do you have a wife, girlfriend, best friend, something that can maybe drive you? Are you religious at all? Because we got a guy here on standby. No,

Speaker 1 it's a real.

Speaker 1 We were talking about it. You and me, Will, the other day, and you were like,

Speaker 1 well, I don't know. I mean, do you want to know? Do you want? I was like, yeah, I do if it's good news.
And thank God it was good.

Speaker 1 That's good. Did you get the Sean? Did you get the Shingles vaccine? I did.
I did. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you, willie uh i have not okay you have to you must have you had now what is it if you've had chicken pox you're susceptible to shingles or vice versa it's already living inside you if you had chicken pox the shingles so if you haven't had chicken pox you're good you don't need the the shingles vaccine i think i don't know don't get medical advice from this show yeah exactly change the channel everybody yeah

Speaker 1 how often how often would you say in any given week do you have a conversation at least with the doctor oh god on a weekly basis for sure. So it's at least once a week.

Speaker 1 At least once a week you're interfacing with the doctor by a text or call or

Speaker 1 in person. Why? Because you're concerned or you just want to stay ahead of it.
I want to be one of those people that catch something before it happens. Right.

Speaker 1 So you just you just workshop things that could go wrong with you and what to do to be ready. That's right.
You ever thought about just living life and enjoying it?

Speaker 1 I'll take photos of shit and text him and all that stuff. You could zip into a bubble, maybe, you know, and just kind of have Scotty roll you around.

Speaker 1 From room to room.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not above it. I'll do that.

Speaker 1 You know what, though?

Speaker 1 We were talking about anesthesia, Jason, me and you, I think, at dinner last week. God, I could go for some propofol right now.
Wouldn't it be great?

Speaker 1 And we were talking about how do you, isn't it fascinating? How did somebody discover they could just switch you off? Anesthesia, like,

Speaker 1 who do you test that on? Right. We're going to bring you as close to death as possible.

Speaker 1 Getting that just right was probably challenging.

Speaker 1 That's too much. We lost them.
Yeah. Or too little.
You can see them screaming as they amputate the wrist. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Well, I tell you, when you don't want some purple falls, when our guest is performing great

Speaker 1 because you want to be wide,

Speaker 1 you want to be wide

Speaker 1 awake for this person's work. And I tell you, millions of people have been wide awake watching this guy.
He's been, I'm going to say this: he's been dazzling people for a long time.

Speaker 1 His David Copperfield.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I will just say, Jason, you might want to be careful because this person knows a lot of your

Speaker 1 secrets.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. Okay.
This person knows.

Speaker 1 This person knows a lot of the stuff that you've

Speaker 1 been up to,

Speaker 1 especially recently, because this person is somebody who has been in and out of your world. I'll just say this.

Speaker 1 again, I always feel like with my guests, it's hard to start

Speaker 1 naming their credits because you're just going to, you immediately are going to go, ah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Why is this person my guest then? You say, I know this person.
You do.

Speaker 1 And they could be your guest because I wanted to kind of surprise you.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh, I want to do that. Because this is somebody who has, this is somebody who's been doing

Speaker 1 the kinds of films that we, Jay, this is the kind of thing for you that fits in. Like, they're doing the kind of thing that the tastemakers like, and like all those kind of words that you know.

Speaker 1 I know. And, and, you know, because there are films in there.
This is somebody who's been nominated for Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, BAFTAs, Olivier Awards. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He's done television. He's played the Pope.
He's played, he's been in Sherlock Holmes.

Speaker 1 He's been

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 Towns and Mr.

Speaker 1 King.

Speaker 1 There he is.

Speaker 1 I was wanting to get to him, and he's Jason's co-star and collaborator on Black Rabbit. It's Jude Live.

Speaker 1 Jude.

Speaker 1 Good morning, my friend.

Speaker 1 Good morning.

Speaker 1 And he should be your guest, but I wanted him because I wanted to surprise you, JB, with your guy.

Speaker 1 Buddy.

Speaker 1 God damn it. This is great.
Guys,

Speaker 1 get ready to just fall in love and clear out, make room for a new best friend.

Speaker 1 There's really, Jude, first of all, welcome. There's just nobody I'm more excited about

Speaker 1 as a new person in my life, like for the last 10 years than Jude Lock.

Speaker 1 He's been astray. Jude, he has been singing your praises since you guys started working together.
And I'm not, honestly, I'm not making it up.

Speaker 1 He cannot speak more highly about, and he has generally disdain for people,

Speaker 1 as you know.

Speaker 1 He breaks through that.

Speaker 1 You suck.

Speaker 2 like five people in the world and there's three on the screen right now yeah i'm i'm going we we we finished uh just a couple of weeks ago and i'm genuinely going through withdrawals it's been i mean it was a long shoot so you know when it starts to become part of your daily routine and

Speaker 2 dare i say you not take it for granted but you just you know you've been doing it for a few months and it's just it's it's what you do every day and man i'm finding it hard it's been a bit bumpy coming out how about you yeah it's like it's like yeah on that on that project it was like uh waking up in your house each day and just like hanging out with your family and it's just so easy and then you're gone from your family and you start to miss them yeah it's it's a very odd part of what we do right because yeah i was i was trying to explain this to someone it's like most people have their first day on a job like you know in their 20s or 30s and maybe they change their job once like in their 40s or right we we change a job

Speaker 1 three times a year sometimes.

Speaker 2 Like a whole new group of people. Hi.

Speaker 1 Hello. Yeah.
I'm Jude. Nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 Well, what's so unusual is that Jason has allowed himself to get attached to you because I have heard him describe, and this is true, and I really, this is true.

Speaker 1 He described recently to somebody, and this really, again, is going to give you a lot of info about who JB.

Speaker 1 He talks about how when he starts a job with people, he tells himself not to get too attached because he knows he's not going to see them again.

Speaker 1 And so he builds in a distance with people so that

Speaker 1 he won't get hurt. Am I right, JB?

Speaker 1 Ish. It's not as much of a defense mechanism as just like a practicality.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, we're going to never see each other again, but there's a necessary bonding that needs to happen to really make the work enjoyable and effective. And so, yeah, it is an odd thing.

Speaker 2 I've actually given young actors that advice sometimes because I remember when I was in my early 20s starting out.

Speaker 1 You say, Don't fall in love with me.

Speaker 2 You kind of, no, no, you know, you kind of, you kind of walk away from the film thinking, I've just made 50 best friends, and I'm going to, we're going to see each other every week.

Speaker 2 There are, and then nothing happens, and you feel slightly like heartbroken.

Speaker 2 So, you got to, you know, I'm like, don't, you're not, they're not going to be your best friends. You're going to work together.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the good news in this business is you actually do have a realistic chance of seeing those people again, though, on another project.

Speaker 1 If you're as old as we are on a podcast, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, before before we get going uh I just I I have seen Jude's film that is coming out depending on when this airs it's called the order

Speaker 1 and I've seen it twice in the last three days because they very nicely asked me to introduce it at some screening the other day This movie, Jude's the lead in it.

Speaker 1 It's also with Nicholas Holt and Journey Smollett, and it's directed by Justin Cruzel.

Speaker 1 Guys, if you like a bag of money and a gun and something that is shot like one of those Sidney LeMette films, it's just this movie is so goddamn good.

Speaker 1 He plays an FBI agent that is after a white supremacist gang up in the Pacific Northwest. It's a true story.
It happens back in like the late 70s, early 80s, I think, dude. And it's just badass.

Speaker 1 Bank robberies and it's just go see. It's called The Order.
It's fucking yeah, I haven't, I can't wait to see it. I haven't seen it and and haven't seen the trailer.
I saw the one sheet.

Speaker 1 It looks really just the poster alone looked really cool. And, you know, and I think that you're like holding a gun in it or something.

Speaker 1 I'm going to see it a hundred more times.

Speaker 1 Talk a little bit.

Speaker 1 Well, just if you can, just because we're on this, to talk a little bit about the order and how it kind of came into your world and what it was about it that you're like, oh, yeah, this is something I've got to do.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I don't necessarily associate you with as sort of like a gun wrangling. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I hadn't, I felt I hadn't played a part like it.

Speaker 2 And it came my way through my production company. And, you know, it was just one of those, it was so full of potential.

Speaker 2 It had this incredible true story that I hadn't heard of, an awful lot of people hadn't heard of.

Speaker 2 It had all this relevance to today and the sort of divisive society that we're living in and that we're seeing around the world. And then,

Speaker 2 you know, it's also wrapped up in a brilliant cat and mouse thriller kind of genre film.

Speaker 2 And like Jason said, it's reminded me of those movies, those kind of crowd pleasers that I used to go see when I was a kid with the, with, with the great filmmakers of LeMette and Freakin.

Speaker 2 And it's funny, isn't it?

Speaker 2 How our, well, it's the same with other genres, I suppose, but those kind of movies were at once with Hackman and Newman and people like that in them, so, so popular, and suddenly they, I don't know, they kind of lost their edge, maybe, but anyway.

Speaker 1 I have no idea why, right? I mean, like French Connection, like, they don't make those movies anymore. And those used to be like the blockbusters.
Why do, or Dog Day Afternoon? What?

Speaker 1 I think we do. Well, I think, first of all, I think we do know.

Speaker 1 And they tried even into the 90s. I was thinking about Ronin, you know, that great

Speaker 1 De Niro Frankenheimer movie. Amazing.
Again, trying to extend that idea, even out of sight with Clooney and those guys in Sutherland.

Speaker 1 Out of the Furnace, the Christian Bale movie. Yeah, like all those movies tried.

Speaker 1 But I think that what happened was, and I think I mentioned this before, we've spent the last at least decade kind of under the tyranny of IP. Yeah, right, these films that were made, that were made,

Speaker 1 all the studios owned all this IP, and they're like, how can we squeeze as much as we can out of this IP? Whether it's

Speaker 1 people like Sean and Scotty ruined the movie business because that's what they want.

Speaker 1 These people aren't.

Speaker 1 I hope they save the planet Lindelore because that's where they, you know, be careful.

Speaker 1 Jude's got a Star Wars story coming up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't wait. It's called Skeleton.

Speaker 1 I didn't talk about Star Wars, not Jude, Star Wars. Anyway, I think that that is why.

Speaker 1 But I think you're right. There's an appetite for this kind of thing, Nate.
They're assuming they're going to get a built-in audience with this existing IP.

Speaker 1 And so these original things are sort of put on the back burner. But my God, just a pure satisfying experience of going to see

Speaker 1 a caper, you know, or a thriller or something with just a true beginning, middle, and end where you get invested with these characters and there's a a sticky plot.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, why do I need some dude flying around on top of it all?

Speaker 2 Sean. But it goes full circle, I'm sure, right? Yeah.
I mean, people come,

Speaker 2 they'll always come back to it. It's like vinyl, right? Everyone comes back to it.

Speaker 1 You hope. You hope.

Speaker 1 Hopefully this one will start. You know what? Guess what? It's the same thing with music.
My kids listen to all this music that's very good, but it all comes out of

Speaker 1 electronic

Speaker 1 interface as opposed to like plugging in an instrument and like you hear a snare drum or you hear a guitar.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't even sound like an old fuddy daddy, but I miss the sound of instruments and music. Hopefully that comes back as well.
It'll come back. It'll come back.

Speaker 1 I think it does come back.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're talking a lot about, I suppose, mainstream pop music. There is a lot, there is a huge appetite for it, and there's a very thriving indie music, certainly.

Speaker 1 I'm like such an old school 90s dinosaur indie fan, but that has kind of come back. There's a lot of guitar-driven music out there that's excellent.

Speaker 1 A lot of great American bands. And, you know,

Speaker 1 Jude, how are you today?

Speaker 1 Hey, F you, Sean.

Speaker 1 Sean, go fuck yourself. Hey, do you guys want to hear my impression of Sean and Scotty going to the movies again? Yeah, please.

Speaker 1 I hope that they find, I hope he knows.

Speaker 1 His dad actually came from Scott's Core. Do you know that

Speaker 1 his dad was in the other, and he came from Scotta's Gore too?

Speaker 1 By the way, we just watched Alien Romulus Romulus again.

Speaker 2 Again, that mythology is so- Where does that sit in the order of the alien?

Speaker 1 It comes before the original in the 70s. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Or right after. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Have you watched the original again recently?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And like the design, the design for it. Although, who was it who was watching it recently? And they said they paused it and zoomed in on a little

Speaker 2 area behind, I I think, Ian home.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And it was basically an old speaker turned inside out, upside down, and sprayed white or something.

Speaker 1 What are they? It's really cool. And in Romulus, the sets they made look like the 80s.
Because

Speaker 1 I misspoke. It comes after the original.
Sorry. It means.

Speaker 2 But anyway.

Speaker 2 In that early 80s.

Speaker 1 Are you a fan? I love Alien. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
So good.

Speaker 1 Where are you right now? Are you a hotel? Are you home?

Speaker 2 Where are you? I'm in a hotel in Beverly Hills. Oh, I'm in Los Angeles for a while,

Speaker 2 promoting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is humping. This guy's got stamina like you cannot believe.

Speaker 1 He's not going to stop until December. I've heard, again, I don't want to get too much because we do love the Black Rabbit.
We want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 We're all so excited for Black Rabbit. Yeah, it was time to talk about that.
That's a year for me. I will say, again, this is the highest compliment from JB.

Speaker 1 He talked about your stamina and your ability to show up on set every day and deliver in every way.

Speaker 1 I've never seen him so impressed. And as a producer, I've never seen him so impressed, Jude.
Honestly, again, I'm going out of my way here, but it's so

Speaker 1 true.

Speaker 1 I need your notes on episode three and four.

Speaker 1 You can turn those around to me, Jude.

Speaker 1 Let's not turn this into a work session, okay?

Speaker 2 Let's just hash it out now.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, Jude,

Speaker 1 let's talk early days as you started as a performer. So

Speaker 1 we know where you've been and where you are now, but let's flash back to when you were a kid and the first time you said, mom, dad, I want to perform or somebody said, Jude, you need to perform.

Speaker 1 What was the thing?

Speaker 1 Was it your, were you attracted to it? Did somebody notice it in you? What was the thing? How did it

Speaker 2 all? It just sort of occurred because my parents were teachers.

Speaker 2 This is in the 70s in southeast London. And they had a passion for theater.
So they were members of a local theater company and they would put on plays.

Speaker 2 And I grew up in a house where I remember there were always, you know, the kitchen was full of people rehearsing.

Speaker 2 And, uh, or I'd come down and, and, and half our furniture would be gone because they'd be using it for for on a set in the play that they were putting on.

Speaker 2 And so it was, it was just a big, and I just remember loving watching adults rehearse and goof about. It looked like it was a, it was a dialogue.
It was a, it was a language that made sense to me.

Speaker 2 And, and I was, I felt very comfortable in it. So really, honestly, it was like a kind of what's the right word segue as opposed to a kind of decision

Speaker 2 I got involved the older I got and did plays and I joined a company as a kid brothers and sisters I had a big sister who who she she performed too but she's a painter I thought that was the name of the theater company I thought Jason was like brothers and sisters

Speaker 2 yeah it is a good name and she's a painter yeah she's a painter yeah yeah oh wow so the decision honestly was just I didn't I mean when there was a there was a moment when i got offered a job in a tv show i was about 17 and made had to make the decision of leaving school moving out

Speaker 1 and they just sort of knew that was going to happen and they made me promise if it didn't work out i'd go back to school and i was like of course and um but they were incredibly supportive so wait did you not finish high school like me no didn't finish nice wow no i didn't this is great what i'm realizing what what i'm realizing also about your friendship with jb is that he hasn't asked you any questions about your life

Speaker 1 in all the time that you've noticed. No, no, it's funny.
Jude, what's your last name?

Speaker 1 He's like, do you have a sister? Did you finish high school? How the fuck would you not know that already? I'm not in there on the guy's jock all day on the

Speaker 1 business.

Speaker 1 It's called just human irrational. It's just called being interested in somebody else.
I scroll through my phone in between takes.

Speaker 2 Jason and I stayed in character the whole time.

Speaker 1 He only talked. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I will be honest. It was kind of weird when he shaved the beard because he'd been my big brother with the beard.

Speaker 2 Like, you know we've been hugging and fighting and it's been it's been full on and suddenly he appeared and he was Jason Bateman yeah

Speaker 1 yeah yeah

Speaker 1 you guys did so much storytelling together

Speaker 1 oh god will

Speaker 1 and we will be right back

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Speaker 1 So, Jude, but that decision to

Speaker 1 go to a television program or stay in school, when I hear you say it and I think about wanting to be a performer being 17, like that's kind of an easy decision. like hey do you want to go to

Speaker 1 yeah or do you want to stay in school

Speaker 1 yeah when did you know it would that that you that you were safe that it was actually going to be something that that could provide a an income for you yeah um

Speaker 2 honestly not until i was in my early 20s and i and i'd done a movie or two and and really yeah what was your first one what was your first film so my first film was a movie called shopping and it was about car thieves and that was in the early 90s.

Speaker 2 And then I did a film, another English film, but a period film called Wild about Oscar Wilde.

Speaker 2 And Stephen Fry played Oscar Wilde, and I played his boyfriend, Bosey Douglas, who was a nasty piece of work.

Speaker 2 And around then, I'd done a lot of theater in the film, yeah, I guess around then, I sort of thought, oh, this is a job.

Speaker 1 When was the movie,

Speaker 1 you were still in England at that point? Well, Wilde, you got, that was the first, like, you got a little, you got some recognition for that performance in Wilde. That kind of like like

Speaker 1 put you up a

Speaker 2 notch yeah i got those you know uh uh newcomer uh awards right and uh uh you know welcome to the gang awards kind of thing

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 that's well that's kind of good though i mean that's kind of when you're a young actor i mean that it's meaningful yeah totally but you know how it is it there's still that funny feeling of god i just want to get another job I just

Speaker 1 you know like you still think the the the unpredictable nature of what we of what we do the waiting is is still quite alarming and you haven't got enough money in the bank like you're kind of thinking okay god this is unpredictable even today all four of us are not out of the woods we never will be the only thing that i think we have going for us is that if our careers were to end soon, there would be sort of a downhill trajectory of maybe three or four jobs before you're done.

Speaker 1 Like that's, that's the only sort of pad we have built in there. Whereas like back when Jude was starting, maybe, you know, this could be your last job.

Speaker 1 I think the four of us are at a a point now, you know, with all of our, you know, we're so lucky to have had our sort of success, but it still only is built in like a three-job off-ramp.

Speaker 1 Not if I release Sean's texts. I think it's.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to be immediate. But

Speaker 1 I could use anything. Jude, I will.
So, Jude, then I, because I'm kind of building towards this, which is the film, I think, that I first, that I, as a consumer

Speaker 1 and a film goer

Speaker 1 and as a young actor you know looking aspiring to to do stuff noticed you in a film that I to this day adore and talk about science fiction a really pure I think one of the great science fiction films Gattaca you and Ethan

Speaker 1 that performance that film Andrew Nicol Andrew Nicola what an incredible Andrew Nicol

Speaker 2 amazing filmmaker but that film was really remarkable talk a little bit about that would you well it was the first film film that brought me to Hollywood and it was the first time and you know it was one of those rare occasions where you read a script and you're you just can't believe it's as good as it is

Speaker 1 and that they want you to be in it.

Speaker 2 That was a that was pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 2 You know I was thinking a lot about that recently and

Speaker 2 Ethan was such an incredible

Speaker 1 teacher really.

Speaker 2 To meet and work with Ethan at that early formative moment was really impactful.

Speaker 2 He's such a gent and he takes it so seriously, but with such a humor and a creative sort of approach. And I remember watching him and we had all our stuff together.

Speaker 2 That was really influential.

Speaker 2 But moving here, moving to the States and making a film. And I remember going and rehearsing on the Sony lot.
And yeah, it was just a, it was a dream. It was kind of fantastic, fantastical.

Speaker 1 Where did you move to?

Speaker 1 Where was your first spot?

Speaker 2 what was it called? I stayed.

Speaker 1 Were you down there in Culver City near the line?

Speaker 2 No, I was in West Hollywood. I was in one of those funny little hotels where you've got a kitchen in the corner, something sweet, Summerfield Sweet, something like that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Where you have a bed and a little, everything's in one room.

Speaker 1 It wasn't as glamorous as you thought the Hollywood sort of journey would be.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I was just happy someone else was picking up the bill.

Speaker 1 At that point, you were just happy it wasn't raining.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, you talk about Ethan, first of all, I do want to say this, and we've had him on the show, we're such fans. I think he is such an unheralded artist.

Speaker 1 And I don't usually use that word as much because, but sometimes it makes me cringe. But he is such an artist, that guy.

Speaker 1 And he is, and started, you know, young, as we know. He was a child actor.
We're talking about Ethan Hawk, right? Ethan Hawk. Yeah, sorry, Tracy.
We're talking about Ethan Hawk.

Speaker 1 He's one of those guys. He could have, if he had had more artistry, Jason could have been him.
But he's one of those. And I say that, Jason, and I love what you do.
It feels like a compliment.

Speaker 1 No, we've got to kind of look into it a little bit.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 he is.

Speaker 1 No, he is. He's kind of like,

Speaker 1 I really do.

Speaker 1 I love, A, all his performances are so good and so raw and amazing. And I love his approach and hearing him talk about

Speaker 1 art. And so when you told me that you learn a lot, I believe that.
I believe that that relationship was inspiring.

Speaker 2 generous too generous that's another thing really generous on set you know and and and and aware that he's got he was working with someone who was pretty green i mean i'd only done a couple of films and i'm still a little bit like this but but you know uh just warm and yeah i he was it was a very happy time um but here's the funny thing you know Again,

Speaker 2 too young to realize that that doesn't mean the film's going to be a hit, right? So you're sitting there going, wow, I'm in Hollywood and this is, it's really good. And it is.
It's a great film.

Speaker 2 And the proof with that one is that people still refer to it. Thank you for what you said.
I mean, you're, and you're right. It holds up.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 But at the time, it just sort of disappeared. And I kind of, you know, that was my first taste of, oh,

Speaker 2 you got to keep trying. You got to keep throwing the spaghetti at the wall

Speaker 1 until it sticks, right?

Speaker 1 But and I think, yeah, you know, it's funny, you do have that, again, as the mood, as a consumer of it and somebody who watched it and adored it, to me, to me, it was a hit in the sense that it worked and it was brilliant and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 So I walked out of the theater with whomever and say, like, God, that was an incredible film and blah, blah, blah. So I've sort of put it in that place that it's an incredible film.

Speaker 1 I don't know if the

Speaker 1 funny how that happens. Yeah, the accounts of the studio.

Speaker 2 No, exactly. But it's funny how, you know, if it stays in your, I mean, it's not one of those we look back on and go, well, it was, yeah, it worked at the time.

Speaker 2 But, you know, again, this is why it's such a shame in a way that films are judged on their, you know, opening weekend.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 You think, let's come back and re-review this in 10 years, five years, 10, 20 years.

Speaker 1 Well, that's one of the things I like about streaming, right? Like there is no sort of scorecard. There's no sort of results.
It's just, it's up there. And if you like it, you tell somebody about it.

Speaker 1 And then they watch it. They might like it.
And it's just... people then experience it when they want, how they want.

Speaker 1 And I just, I like that it's just on its on the merits.

Speaker 2 There's no, it's not qualified by and old back catalogs get rediscovered again, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Someone was saying that Grey's anatomy is this

Speaker 2 suddenly being watched by everybody.

Speaker 1 Oh all these shows there's that what's the show

Speaker 1 suits

Speaker 1 suits has had this thing where everybody's people are like oh have you watched suits but I wonder what the algorithm or their their thing says to let's try suits. Let's try Grey's Anatomy.

Speaker 1 You know like I wonder

Speaker 1 Judy

Speaker 1 Sean. No, I was just you go You go, you go.
You go, you go. You know what?

Speaker 1 I was just going to say this, which is, so you do Gattaca and you come out and it brings you out here and it kind of introduces and brings you to Hollywood. And then what was the gap? You did that.

Speaker 1 And then you did, I want to say that you did. Well, the time between that and

Speaker 1 Talented Mr. Ripley.
Yeah. Because those were both late 90s films that were really

Speaker 1 amazing, impactful films.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Ripley raised, Ripley really raised my game because of the nominations and and the other people in it there was a little bit of a there were a few you know tumbleweed moments between uh gaddaker and ripley where because gadaka hadn't been a financial hit i was i did a i i i you know i did a couple of smaller parts and but

Speaker 2 still there's that thing of you know you this isn't it's not consistent and rip ripley really uh was a leap for me and you were on the set with another gem matt damon i'll bet you uh yeah you had a great time with him, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he could be. He's a little...
I mean.

Speaker 1 He's not bright, but. No, he's not bright.
Matt's really not that bright.

Speaker 1 He's really hot and cold. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1 And he blew it. He blew it at Wordle this morning.
I will say.

Speaker 1 I busted two days ago. I bet you did too.
I did not. Everybody else busted on that day, and I did

Speaker 1 a six.

Speaker 1 What was it again? Was it radar or something like that? No, no, no, no. I'll tell you right now because Bob texted me about it, and he was like,

Speaker 1 What did you get today?

Speaker 1 Have you tried Quadle? Oh,

Speaker 1 don't get them started, Jude. I do Quirtle, Turtle, and Wordle, all three, every morning with Matt and two other guys, every morning for three years.

Speaker 2 That's consistent.

Speaker 1 Every morning.

Speaker 1 Get back to your guest. So

Speaker 1 get back to your guest. Wait, so you do a couple of Tumbleweeds and then you do Ripley.
Did you know

Speaker 1 Anthony Mingela before?

Speaker 2 No, he...

Speaker 2 I was working.

Speaker 2 I did this really odd little film with a director from Hong Kong and Anthony's wife was one of the producers on it. And he was watching the rushes for that while he was casting.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 I look back on that decision.

Speaker 1 I think the way that that works.

Speaker 2 I don't know how, I mean, yeah, but I don't know what he saw.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 He's got some raw talent and somebody pretty easy on the end. Hell of a leap, though.

Speaker 1 Was his daughter Hannah around? The Great Hannah Mangela?

Speaker 2 The Great Hannah.

Speaker 2 Max, who's now a director, was like a little boy on set of that. he was i think i'm gonna say 10.

Speaker 2 was hannah there too hannah was around yeah absolutely yeah right and in that way now that was shot in some beautiful spots too right yeah i mean i look you know on location in uh all down the coast in italy we we we rehearsed at the famous cine chitta studio in in rome and then we shot in rome we shot in ischia which is this beautiful island oh yeah off off um naples near capri near capri it's it There's three, then Progida, and yeah, it was beautiful.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but you're down there. Sorry, I just want to say, because,

Speaker 1 oh, God, this is so delicious to me. It's you.
Sean, I think Will's falling as much in love with him as I am. And I'm

Speaker 1 in love with him. I'm going to love you.
I've been in love with you with Will. I've been in love with Jude since we had that dinner over at our buddy's house a few weeks ago.
What a great dinner.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You were there, too. I thought it was a table for you.
We were all there.

Speaker 1 That was a great dinner.

Speaker 1 So it was you and Matt and Gwyneth Paltrow and

Speaker 2 Phil Phil Hoffman. Phil Hoffman.

Speaker 1 The great Phil Hoffman, Kay Bunchet. I mean,

Speaker 1 and then Anthony Mangela directing, and you're in Italy. And my question is, when you do something like that, it's kind of like the Gattaca thing in a way, but it's different.

Speaker 1 Are you able to, in the moment,

Speaker 1 did you appreciate it? Did you have moments where you went like, man, this is really... amazing or not is it wasted on you

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 it's a bit of me looking back but now you can i'll bet i well yeah, I'm better at it.

Speaker 2 But there's, you know, in that, I kind of thought, well, this is what movies are like, you know, sitting on a beach and sailing a yacht and hanging out with all these cool young movie stars.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 it was exceptionally special because of the... you know, the goodwill that Anthony had

Speaker 2 deservedly been given through the success of the English patient and the people that he had assembled were, you know,

Speaker 2 pretty extraordinary group from the cast to all the crew but it was um it was a it was a great a great experience and uh i wish i'd been a little better at just yeah living in it and realizing how special it was yeah but the number of projects that you've done

Speaker 1 you know speaking about your ability to assess whether you're you know on board a sinking ship or not um

Speaker 1 you know it's just the number of projects that you've done is just outstanding

Speaker 1 hits. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, there's a lot of people that have worked a lot, but it's just because they just, they, they, they don't like home and they'll just do whatever.

Speaker 1 Everything you've done has been incredible. You've certainly been incredible in it.
Some of, you know, out of the, the, the, out of your own power.

Speaker 1 JB, but some of the, but also not, not just the volume, but how different a lot of them have been tonally.

Speaker 1 And also just like doing Shakespeare on Broadway. And I mean, like, this guy, you don't know who you're dealing with with this guy.

Speaker 1 Jude, I remember, like, like Jason just said, all of these great

Speaker 1 things that you've done your whole life. And then I remember when SPY came out with Melissa McCarthy, and I was like, is that Jude Law? Like, it was the greatest left-hand turn ever.

Speaker 1 I was like, I've never seen Jude do something like this. It was so good.

Speaker 2 I was just, I was just mad about her. I just so wanted to work with her.

Speaker 1 She's

Speaker 1 a witness.

Speaker 2 I think a lot of, honestly, I've been thinking about this recently about why what kind of drives me and a lot of it is curiosity. It's why I've kind of done different franchises too.

Speaker 2 I sort of, you know, I really, I'm a bit of a film nerd. Like I just love going to the movies and going to, you know, seeing stuff and having an opinion.

Speaker 2 But I'm also kind of dead curious about how do they do that? How's that done? And she was, she was flying at that time.

Speaker 2 And her and Paul Fagan, that work that they were doing, I just wanted to witness that.

Speaker 2 I'll be honest, I

Speaker 2 did not feel I was in my comfort zone.

Speaker 1 I was sad.

Speaker 2 There's a scene opposite her. I suddenly realized very clearly, oh, you're the straight guy.
Okay, this is fine.

Speaker 1 I can play that.

Speaker 2 Because Paul's coming over, writing all these notes, going, try that, try this. And she's just firing off different.
I mean, I'm holding it together, just trying to keeping a straight face, right?

Speaker 2 I'm just sort of, just, just don't lose it and really make a fool of yourself.

Speaker 1 But my goodness, the speed

Speaker 2 and the ideas. And then just like, talk about going off

Speaker 1 on a tangent. You're sitting there thinking,

Speaker 1 what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 She's an absolute, she's an absolute comedy titan. I mean, Melissa McCarthy is great.

Speaker 1 And also, by the way, it should be mentioned, our good friend, my good friend, Jason, yours too, Pete Serafinwich is in that film as well. Inspire, the great film.
Lovely Pete.

Speaker 2 He's fantastic in that film. There's a scene where the two of them are, I think, handcuffed together.
Yeah. Right.
And they're kind of lying on top. So it's a weird sort of sex TV makeout scene.

Speaker 2 Can't we escape? God, he's good.

Speaker 1 He's so good. By the way, a great Pete Serafin story.
Last year, I hadn't spoken to him in about 18 months, maybe almost two years. And

Speaker 1 we were quite good friends years ago. I mean, we still are, but we sort of hadn't talked to each other.
And out of the blue, I texted him,

Speaker 1 so what else is going on?

Speaker 1 And after

Speaker 1 I saw that it had been a couple of years, and he answered almost immediately, that's about it.

Speaker 1 So, so funny. So, Jude, with all with all of of the

Speaker 1 great incoming calls I'm sure you get, how do you, is there, I'm sure you, you base your choices on many, many things, but is there one thing that is above all else will drag you towards a project?

Speaker 1 Is it the direct?

Speaker 2 Sorry, I was just

Speaker 2 saying money. No, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Well, but I mean, look, you know, there's there's a, everyone needs it.

Speaker 1 Is it filmmaker? Is it role? Is it location? Is it money?

Speaker 2 is it schedule um is there one thing that is most important to you ever or is it change i kind of balance it up you know i love the idea of a challenge a little bit like the role i play in uh uh the order which just felt like something completely new and different and the opportunity to work with someone like justin on that who i knew would i was in good hands and he would he'd sort of take me there he's the director you know those films justin kurzell yeah and he he um

Speaker 2 that experience was a very good experience you know but but you have to balance a film like that with, you know, and then I was like, okay, now I need to pay my rent.

Speaker 2 So you've got to kind of find something that's going to balance that out. But also,

Speaker 2 I'm curious.

Speaker 1 God, he fucked you. What a shot in the nuts.
He did your thing for the money.

Speaker 1 Fuck, dude. Well, you're in love with the guy.
You've had a great experience. And he only did it for the fucking go.

Speaker 1 And while he was there, he did a great job. You're a paycheck to him.
Keep going, dude. Sorry, I interrupted.

Speaker 2 I mean, you mentioned kind of all

Speaker 2 the boxes that you check, right? And all of them at a different time have a different

Speaker 1 order.

Speaker 2 So sometimes, yeah, it's where are we filming this?

Speaker 1 Who's in it?

Speaker 2 All of those things come to play.

Speaker 1 Family, like where bringing kids and all that kind of stuff is important too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, specifically over the last two years, I've got a house that's being renovated and I'm having one of those nightmares.

Speaker 2 And it's just going on and on and on. So me and my wife and the two little ones, I've just been like, okay, well, let's just travel the world.
Let's just go wherever I'm working.

Speaker 1 So we've been two years.

Speaker 2 For two years. So we really have.
We've been in California, then we were in Canada and then France and then Australia and then New York. So

Speaker 2 it's been wild. But that really has been just

Speaker 2 following the work.

Speaker 1 And the kids love it.

Speaker 2 And they're very little. They're both under five.

Speaker 1 So it's not like,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 as long as as we're both there looking calm and happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 They're calm and happy.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly.
Do you, do you ever find, like, I, I always find that fascinating when you do have this schedule that you do. Do you miss a home base? Do you miss a groundedness to come back to?

Speaker 2 I thought I would more, but I really haven't. And we've found some really beautiful homes around and

Speaker 2 some not so great, but mostly really good experiences. I'll tell you what I have found hard.
I found it really hard going back to UK because without my house, like I had this lovely home there for,

Speaker 2 I've always lived there, but going there as a visitor and sort of renting something, it just doesn't feel right. It feels

Speaker 1 weird.

Speaker 2 It's really disconcerting. I was just there for a couple of weeks to see my family, my parents.
And

Speaker 2 I don't know. But equally, I've learned I quite like being a foreigner.
I quite like being a foreigner in a city. It feels slightly less

Speaker 2 emotionally tiring. I don't know why.
In the UK, you know, if I read the news about the UK and I'm like, oh, not again, what are they doing? You know, I feel so emotionally.

Speaker 2 It's like your uncle letting you down. You're like, oh,

Speaker 2 don't behave like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't have anything like that here.

Speaker 2 Whereas

Speaker 1 here, I'm like, well, it's not my problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 1 So when you go back and you're sitting with your parents at dinner, is there ever a time to reflect and go back like we're doing now about, hey, remember when you guys kind of lit the fuse in me with the theater and stuff?

Speaker 1 Like, things have worked out.

Speaker 2 a little bit my mum's not so well she the light in my mum is is

Speaker 2 or the spirit of my mum is slowly slowly fading um she's happy and she's she's not in pain but she's you know she's not who she she was very much the

Speaker 2 lightning in our family she was the kind of trailblazer she was the one putting on these plays and telling you know packing up our crazy little French de chevo car and saying, right, we're going to drive across France and camp.

Speaker 2 And I mean, she just just was full of energy. And really, I think a big part of why I'm doing what I do, and my sister does what she does.

Speaker 2 So I don't, I miss that with her. I certainly have that with my sister still and my dad.

Speaker 2 And that's fun. It's nice looking back at those.

Speaker 2 It's interesting, isn't it? The further away you get from that formative time, how you can reflect on what impact it was having on you and what direction it was sending you in, you know.

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Speaker 1 And back to the show.

Speaker 1 And having done all the stuff that you've done and really proven any point you ever would have wanted to make

Speaker 1 make people proud or yourself proud. Like, I can't imagine that there's any box left unchecked, but you tell me,

Speaker 1 is there something if it came your way, you go, ah, yeah, that I have not yet done or I've been avoiding? You know,

Speaker 1 is it a freaking musical? Is it a voice in an animated film? Is it, I mean, you've just touched so many things.

Speaker 2 There are definitely filmmakers out there that I would, that I admire immensely and would really love to work with and yeah then and there's there's the odd part yeah but not not sort of I mean there are roles uh in in Shakespeare that I'd love to play one day on stage but that that's sort of not not necessarily immediately but honestly something you and I talked about and something you're so good at encouraging I've seen you do it with others is is directing yeah I mean I love I love the idea of it it scares the hell out of me you make it look incredibly straightforward and easy I don't know how you do that I mean watching you direct, lead that team out of the gate and perform in it was really quite remarkable, mate.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it kept making me feel like it.

Speaker 1 Having a partner like you makes it easy. True.

Speaker 2 It made me really look at it and consider again. You should be able to do it.
It scares me because of the scale of the decisions.

Speaker 1 Is it one of those because you thought, like, fuck, if this guy could do it,

Speaker 1 exactly? I get that. That makes sense.
It's not as scary. If this simpleton, if this

Speaker 1 no, talk a little bit about it because he is, and Jason is, and we are so proud of him. We love him dearly, and we're so proud of what he's been able to do.

Speaker 1 What it was like working with Jason as a director? Talk a little bit about that because we do talk about it. We haven't had anybody on here, really, to talk about that experience.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 The mood.

Speaker 2 So talking to those who don't know.

Speaker 1 Talk about his explosion. Yeah, no.
The explosion. This is the thing.

Speaker 2 You know, you guys will know the most important thing, I think, on a film set is the atmosphere, right?

Speaker 2 It's a massive team, all these different groups and skill sets doing all these different things, but they all want to be appreciated. They all want

Speaker 2 their time and they all need their time. And Jason's just a master at keeping that going.

Speaker 2 And every, I mean, the spirit on this comp of this company, I've got to tell you, cast crew, everyone, was so positive. I mean, that was demonstrated at the end.
We had a wonderful rap party.

Speaker 2 Everybody's there with their family. Everyone stays from like, you know, early doors to the close.
I mean, it was so

Speaker 1 popular.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is unusual.

Speaker 2 And that was led by him. And

Speaker 2 the style of the piece was set up by Jason because it was his, how he saw it. And he, like I said, led us out of the gates.
He directed the first two.

Speaker 2 And so setting that up and getting that right and sort of, what's the word? ingraining it in the DNA of the piece.

Speaker 1 And then as an actor, right?

Speaker 2 And then he's also there as an actor.

Speaker 2 playing opposite you, leading by example, but also there was the, you know, there's, there are those moments where suddenly uh it's just those little little tiny words of suggestion or little tiny nudges like this is great this is good but why not should we go down this path should we try this and it it's those moments where you feel like oh this is so much fun yes right you're kind of playing and you're not you know even if you're doing a really dramatic scene it's you're kind of giggling to yourself thinking like oh we're doing this like

Speaker 1 and our parents are out of town yeah yeah yeah yeah and we're allowed to we can't keep going yeah jb do you have that a little bit like i can't believe i got the keys keys to the car here?

Speaker 1 Oh, every second of the day.

Speaker 1 And all the toys. Right, yes, exactly.
And it was also sort of like, you got to be such a smarty pants when you're directing and be sort of serious and you got to think about every corner of the room.

Speaker 1 But this character I was playing was such a ding bat, like a lovely sort of like just simpleton and so happy to throw that switch in between like, okay, here we go, ready?

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, let's let's roll. And then I was sort of joking.

Speaker 1 I told you that I said, you know, the, the, the sort of the,

Speaker 1 what do you call it? The

Speaker 1 fix or the secret to going into my character, all I have to do is just separate my jaw.

Speaker 1 Because this guy's kind of a mouth breather.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I go from director to this character by just separating my jaw. And we're ready to go.
Here we go. Let's roll.
That's really funny. Well, I will say, I will say before, you'd actually direct it.

Speaker 1 You'd actually direct it before, but I will say for our experience of working on arrested development, Jason was the ultimate team captain.

Speaker 1 And I also learned a lot about what it takes to be a captain.

Speaker 1 No, but what it takes to be a captain from that guy. It was potentially the only thing I learned because he has nothing else to teach us.
I can get you to 10.

Speaker 1 You can count to 10. I'm going to teach you.

Speaker 1 What's your impression, Jude? Just quickly, thin slice of Sean. Take a look at him over there.

Speaker 1 I look like a thin slice, sliced tag of white bread. I mean, I am.

Speaker 2 I like the idea. I'm going to join Sean in that bubble.

Speaker 1 I think I like the idea of being pushed around. Dip him in.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's just trying to keep his powder dry for the Star Wars section of the interview, which we can start now, Seani, if you're all set.

Speaker 1 But I have one question before. I am ready to go in that.
But one question before Scotty slides in on a chair like Sarah and I don't know who can update you. Just like this.
We're just saying stuff.

Speaker 1 No, Jude, you know, we touched on it before a little bit. I want to go back just for a second.

Speaker 1 That kind of air, that time when you're sitting between jobs and you're like, God, is something going to come? And that uncertainty of what we do.

Speaker 1 When you were younger and you went through those, did you have other jobs?

Speaker 1 Is there any time you're like, God, I should start thinking of something else to do with my life because I don't think anything's going to come. And then talented Mr.
Earthlet comes or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 Fortunately, not. And I lived a pretty simple life early on.
And then I became a father pretty young. And that would be all-consuming.
consuming so that I was always, I mean,

Speaker 2 there was always something to do.

Speaker 1 So fatherhood didn't scare you into thinking about another occupation? Well, luckily,

Speaker 2 it was never that. It was never so much that I suddenly thought,

Speaker 2 and if it was, then I was usually saved by the life support of another job or a potential job.

Speaker 2 But I realized in the last couple of years, it's been a really big shift for me with my company because suddenly, even if, you know, they're not coming to fruition, although we've had a pretty good run.

Speaker 2 So, in the last couple of years, just having the sense that you've kind of got your, you've got your hands on the reins and you can develop stuff and you're communicating with writers and directors.

Speaker 1 This is Riff Raff with the great Ben Jackson.

Speaker 2 Great Ben Jackson, who's been alongside me for like 22 years. And the company has given me a much better sense of navigating those moments of thinking.

Speaker 2 Because ultimately, you're still an actor waiting for someone to think you're right for a part.

Speaker 1 But if you can cook your own food, you know, that's a real privileged place to be. And you don't take it lightly.
And you work really, really hard as a producer, as does he. Yeah.
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 I like the process of...

Speaker 2 I love finding ideas. I love introducing writers to directors and seeing that kind of blossom and bloom.
And that is the side. I love it.

Speaker 1 That's the way it happened with Order, right? Didn't you contact Justin Curzell

Speaker 1 for this? That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 What was that conversation like? Did you know him before? No, not at all. You were just a fan of a massive fan.

Speaker 2 And you know, when you suddenly someone, and it's never me, I'm really good at chiming in, having an opinion, but I'm never someone, I'm never very good with a blank page.

Speaker 1 You know, when people go, okay, let's discuss the directors. I always go, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 And you know, you can't be, I want to be smart with the smart one who goes, I've got a left-a-field idea.

Speaker 1 I'm always like, you go first.

Speaker 2 And then, and then I'm really strong to go, no, no, no, not them, not them, not them. Yeah, yeah.
But someone mentioned Justin, I think it was Zach, or it could have been Brian.

Speaker 2 zach balin our wonderful writer who we worked together on black rabbit and um

Speaker 2 it just was one of those oh yes this is perfect fit this guy makes this guy looks at really

Speaker 2 dark areas and kind of toxic people but puts them in a world where you you start there's it's not about empathizing with them but you understand them and he makes it kind of safe for you go into their worlds and then he also operates on this high energy he's a he's a big guy and he loves capturing the energy of scenes and drama and he was just the perfect fit so yeah we we had it was uh we zoomed with him he was in his he was in his house in Tasmania with his big beard and it looked literally like his hair all blown it looked like he'd just come off a you know hauled in a whale and kind of come in

Speaker 2 and sat there like this and just blew us away with his his insight yeah I think I can do this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then when we were looking to get a director for the finale of Black Rabbit,

Speaker 1 Zach and Jude

Speaker 1 and Zach's partner, Kate, they suggested Justin Crisell. And I was like, aren't you fucking kidding? We're not going to get Justin Cruzel to direct the finale of this thing.

Speaker 1 And they're like, no, no, no, we can ask him. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 How do you know him? Well, we just finished a movie with him. Come on.
You guys just. did a movie.
So I had no idea that they had just worked with Justin.

Speaker 1 And thank God it went well because they reached out and asked him.

Speaker 1 He answered the phone. They said, yeah.
And was the reaction from the crew when he came to it? Was it like, now we got a director on now? We can get going.

Speaker 1 I saw that. There was a lot of relief.

Speaker 1 I know, I know. I know.

Speaker 1 But by the way, if I don't do it, if I didn't say that, Jason would call me after and say, Are you okay? Like, are you sick? You're a little slow. You're slow.

Speaker 1 Under the weather.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about Star Wars. Yes, Andor, Acolyte.
Where does Star Wars skeleton crew come in the line?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's absolutely standalone, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, it is. I like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it fits in. I think it's around the same time as The Mandalorian.
But here's what got me. You know, I was six, seven when the first film came out.

Speaker 2 And I was thinking about this the other day. I mean, I don't remember going, I maybe saw The Rescuers or 101 Dalmatians.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 2 Star Wars. And so to me, that was cinema.

Speaker 1 I was like, holy cow.

Speaker 2 What the hell is this? And not only that, for the next five years, it was what I played. I realized, you know, it was, I was living it.
I was running around my yard going, pew, pew, right?

Speaker 1 I'm Han.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm Vader. Still am.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you know, so it was formative. And John, John Watts just had this awesome idea.
He called me and said, so look, you know, what if we, all that awe and wonder and

Speaker 2 dazzle that we had as kids, What if we put the kids in that world?

Speaker 2 So it's taking goonies, it's taking normal kids who kind of argue and they don't get on with their parents or they don't get on with each other or they don't like school. They run away.

Speaker 2 They get lost and they're in that world. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 That's cool. That's really cool.

Speaker 2 I was just like, this is a great idea.

Speaker 1 I love that. Have you enjoyed

Speaker 1 that style of work with the sort of the volume stages, the green screen, the

Speaker 2 it was all volume, luckily, yeah. I mean, I think had it been all green, I don't know that I would have enjoyed it as much.
I've done that before. The volume is really wonderful.
I mean, it's super.

Speaker 1 Really? For Tracy, this is a stage that's basically every wall is like a big movie screen. So you're high definition.
Yeah, you're living in an atmosphere.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they put the flooring in. So say you're on a moon, the floor is dust and sand and rocks and boulders, but it goes right up to the volume screen.
And then the perspective of the screen just carries on.

Speaker 2 So you can be standing in a desert that disappears for hundreds of miles with ships flying around you and with a wind blowing, right? They use a wind machine. So

Speaker 2 for all intents and purposes, you're on that move.

Speaker 1 And so it's not just for the viewer, it's who, as an actor, when you're performing, you're actually seeing that. You're experiencing that as well.
Yeah, that's really cool.

Speaker 2 And the same goes for then a more cluttered set, like a market, where he did this huge space port and they built all the,

Speaker 2 you know, the machine, the

Speaker 2 bars and the stalls and what have you. And each avenue looks like it just goes on and on and on and on.
And and you've got creatures crossing over.

Speaker 2 And of course, what you've really only got is, I'd say, 50 feet of that, and then the rest is just all on these huge screens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's really cool. That's so amazing.
I want to go back to.

Speaker 1 You should do one where you can have your dad, like, he's there.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's screenshots. And you can have it so that he's not leaving.
He's staying.

Speaker 1 He can just hit the screen and pause. He's not leaving your family.
Wait, before we get out of the skeleton crew world, talk about who else is in that with you?

Speaker 1 Because I think I read somebody that I know is in that with you. Who else is in it?

Speaker 2 Kerry Condon and Tunde from TV on the Radio.

Speaker 1 And then there are four kids.

Speaker 2 Do you know Tunde?

Speaker 2 He's a lovely guy.

Speaker 1 I met him a couple of times. He's really cool.
I'm a big fan of TV on the Radio.

Speaker 2 Yeah, me too. And his interesting piece of trivia.
He was great in Rachel Got Married.

Speaker 1 Remember, he was in that?

Speaker 2 That's right. That's right.
Demi. Demi film.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Did they play all the music live in that?

Speaker 1 I think they did. Did they?

Speaker 1 In real time.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 that was the idea on that film that when, because remember, they're in a band and they're all playing at the wedding.

Speaker 1 I love the way that film looked. Do you remember the colour of that film?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it Ted Demi or Jonathan Demi?

Speaker 2 Oh, good question. Jonathan.
Jonathan Demi.

Speaker 1 Both.

Speaker 1 Jude, when you named all those. Nick Frost.
Is Nick Frost in it?

Speaker 2 Nick Frost is the voice of a droid.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love Nick Frost. Nick Frost is one of my favorite.
Sorry, Sean, he's one of my favorite love.

Speaker 1 I love Nick. He's so

Speaker 1 fucking fun. We all know.

Speaker 1 He's so fucking funny. Yeah, he is funny.

Speaker 1 When you were going, Jude, when you were talking about going from city to city to, you know, in the last few years, just going all those cities you named, is it hard to keep a schedule for

Speaker 1 eating properly, working out, taking care of yourself with the time differences, and then living in a trailer and then coming back to a hotel?

Speaker 1 It seems like so, it's like to me, it seems so disruptive and a gorgeous life because we're all doing what we love to do. But how do do you maintain a good schedule for yourself?

Speaker 2 Allow a lot of time when I land somewhere to get over jet lag. I'm not one of those people who can just pick straight up and get,

Speaker 2 give me a couple of days because I think jet lag really is like an illness. You've got to kind of love yourself and go.
It's like you've got a flu. Just go to bed.

Speaker 2 But you've also then, yeah, once you're out of that,

Speaker 2 I enjoy, I really like keeping fit. So I train quite hard every day, usually before I go to work.
So whatever that time is, I usually go do something for an hour.

Speaker 1 Right. And then I usually take my own food so I can eat when I really want.

Speaker 2 I can't be doing on a set where they're like lunch and you're like, it's 5 p.m.

Speaker 1 Right. Talking like,

Speaker 2 what was I meant that I got to eat at the right time?

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 2 So I eat, like, I get up and I eat in the morning. I make sure I've got food.
So when it's midday or one, I eat my lunch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you particular about your food? Like, do you eat quite healthily and et cetera? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll eat anything but i i kind of get i get i can feel myself getting uh

Speaker 2 a bit slower and stodgier if i if i don't eat well yeah but i'm not i'm i am

Speaker 2 kind of got a funny relationship like i really love a good restaurant i love good food

Speaker 2 but equally it's just fuel

Speaker 1 i like lamb you like lamb i love lamb lamb chops yeah hang on a second lamb chops hey man we're not doing non-sequiturs at a left field right now

Speaker 1 i lamb.

Speaker 1 You know what? I had lamb last night. You want lamb chops? I had lamb last night.
Yeah, I did. Wait, they're at the house or did you go at, did you go to a restaurant, Willie?

Speaker 1 No, I had lamb at home here. Yeah.
And you know what I was really upset about?

Speaker 2 Was it a lamb shank?

Speaker 1 They were lamb chops, and I didn't have any,

Speaker 1 somehow, there was no mint jelly or mint sauce in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you see, my wife loves the mint jelly. I'm not fussed by that.

Speaker 2 As long as there's a little, as long as it's got a little seasoning on it,

Speaker 1 I really need it. You know, dude, we honestly, I don't know about you guys.
I mean, we could just keep this going forever, probably.

Speaker 1 I told you,

Speaker 1 I know you were, Jason, you were so right. He's and we're just gonna save this for the wrap-up, but he is something else.
Uh, Jude,

Speaker 1 what an absolute delight.

Speaker 2 We have kept you for me, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, I'm so happy you did this. We'll do it again when Black Rabbit comes on in about a year.
Yes, we got it.

Speaker 1 And I just, I'm crazy about you. Love you.
I'm going to talk to you. I'm actually going to call you right after the end of this because I I need to ask a question about something.

Speaker 1 But thank you, buddy, for doing this. Enjoy the rest of your press trip.
Stay rested and get back to the family and enjoy the winter.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's what a joy and so lovely to see the three of you.

Speaker 1 Like, this is this has been a joy.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's good to see you, Jude. Great luck with the order.
Everybody, go see the order. It's

Speaker 1 so damn good.

Speaker 1 Go see anything that Jude.

Speaker 1 Go see it. Go see it.
Go watch it. Go stream it.
Go see it.

Speaker 1 Jude, you are a gentleman. Thank you, sir.
Take care. Thank you, buddy.
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 He did it. He did it.

Speaker 1 He's fantastic.

Speaker 1 So, guys, I'm telling you, this guy, if you think he's great on a podcast or a Zoom call,

Speaker 1 try going in the trenches with him for eight months.

Speaker 1 You always talked about how much joy you had with him.

Speaker 1 You really did.

Speaker 1 And it was unsolicited. Like you would just be like, God, that you love

Speaker 1 while you were making it from every stage of it. You're like, God, this guy is great.
God, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like, you were just, and you meant it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, he's one of the best partners ever. I'll tell you, one of the other ones was, was a guy we mentioned was Matt Damon.
Did that

Speaker 1 little bit on air. And it's, I mean, like, just the level of experience and professionalism with these guys is

Speaker 1 just not to be undervalued on a

Speaker 1 critical. Also, it probably comes from gratitude, too.
Like, we all know what it's like not to work. And then when you get, you know, when you're, yeah, you're lucky enough to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they definitely appreciate where they're at um shb have you ever seen that ghettica i did but i don't i don't remember it which is not sean you've seen it right i can't believe i've never seen it sean i know i'm gonna watch it i really urge people and i again i don't want to i've waxed on a lot but that that film is really a remarkable film and it's really good and and uh jude is so

Speaker 1 it's hard to imagine that it's one of the first things he did because he's so excellent in you know he never he's one of those actors never sucks never ever you're exactly right jp he's in the john goodman school he never ever sucks ever actors who know kind of what their goalposts are and have the discipline to not you know or the overindulgence to step outside of that like he finds a version of himself in every character that he does and yet he never plays anything safe so you know it's just pretty cool thank you for bringing him on i yeah i i'm i'm i was so happy to be able to have him because obviously he should have been your guest but i was happy to get him next i wanted a long time ago before you guys started working together.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So I wanted him a long time ago, and then it just sort of this is when it happened.

Speaker 1 I'm glad that we made it through the entire interview without talking about fucking Robert Downey. You know what I mean? I mean, oh, that guy.
Sherlock.

Speaker 1 I mean, Sherlock, because Downey has gotten so much fucking free air. I'm so mad at Downey.
What?

Speaker 1 Because why?

Speaker 1 Just in general, just because. The success.
The success.

Speaker 1 His success.

Speaker 1 And I know he's very deserving of it, blah, blah. But I'm just kind of.
But let's have a counterpoint. Where do you think he's over-indexing?

Speaker 1 Opinions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's, he,

Speaker 1 he'll just, he'll call me.

Speaker 1 You want to talk about FaceTime? You always, he faced, down he faced times in a way like it's so out of the blue. Under FaceTime.
Yeah. And then he's in the bath.

Speaker 1 And he'll go, you know, I was thinking what you should do. And I'm like, fucking what, man?

Speaker 1 Towel off and just call me or write me.

Speaker 1 I do love him. I do love him to death, though, I will say.

Speaker 1 He's doing a big play. Go see his neck.

Speaker 1 Go see McNeil with our good friend Robert Downey. I think it's already closed by now.
What depends when this airs? Oh, yeah, it depends on when it airs. Lincoln Center.

Speaker 1 But I tell you what never closes is Jude Law's talent.

Speaker 1 So good. That is.
It's always open. Always open 24-7.

Speaker 1 Think about all. Jay, you said, and Sean, you named out like, think about all the different films that he's when I was thinking about.
But you're not even touching his theater.

Speaker 1 This guy has been on Broadway with like

Speaker 1 Othello or Hamlet or Macbeth or probably all three of them. I think he got a Tony nomination for one of those or maybe one.
I mean, he's just done.

Speaker 1 We didn't mention.

Speaker 1 We did not mention the

Speaker 1 Sherlock Holmes films, which were major,

Speaker 1 major hits. Road to Perdition, you ever seen that? Incredible.
So good.

Speaker 1 Cold Mountain, He got an Academy Award nomination for that. It was amazing.
AI? He was in that film AI back in. Yeah, I love that.
Like 20 years ago. Yeah.
Enemy at the Gates. You ever seen that film?

Speaker 1 Enemy at the Gates, where he plays, I think he plays like

Speaker 1 a sniper in Stalingrad. Is that the one? Oh, wow.
No, really? No, I haven't seen that one. Dude, I'm up for all the same parts all the time.
You are. Three callbacks.

Speaker 1 You've been up for them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The animated version of each of them. No, have you?

Speaker 1 Real snipers. Yeah.
Really? Yeah, Sniper city. One's called Sniper City, the other one's called Sniper City,

Speaker 1 another one's called Sniper. I didn't even know her.
Wow. Yeah, you know what? I haven't heard of it.
I wonder who all of those. Those are out.
Those are out now. I wonder who they were

Speaker 1 written. Bye.
Bye.

Speaker 1 Jason doesn't even say it.

Speaker 1 Say bye, Jason. Bye.

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