"Sacha Baron Cohen"

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Speaker 2 Guys, when's the last quickie you had?

Speaker 2 Sean?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 probably yesterday. What do you mean by quickie? Well, that's what do you yesterday?

Speaker 1 Welcome to Smartless. Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Less.

Speaker 1 JB, JB, let's just get into your hairs midway. Short.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know. Look at that.

Speaker 2 And tomorrow morning, the rest of this garbage comes off, and I'll just be into stubble and then I'll be into a mullet.

Speaker 1 And you already cut a little bit of your hair, a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to keep the party in the back and pull in some business on the sides and the top. And that'll work for two days.
And then we go backwards 20 years. So I'll go back into like

Speaker 2 your level, your short hair, Sean. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And clean-shaven.

Speaker 1 Like a Michael Bluth. You're going to go back to a Michael Bluth.

Speaker 2 I'll go back to a Michael Bluth or a Marty Bird or really every other part I've ever played in my life.

Speaker 1 How dare you? How dare you? Yeah.

Speaker 2 The acting stretches have not been significant in that true career.

Speaker 1 Will you be sad to see the change go?

Speaker 2 Yeah, a little bit, but I got to tell you, I don't know how women do it with the long hair and the showering.

Speaker 2 You know, like it's always tangles

Speaker 2 in your face, and it takes you 20 minutes to wash your hair.

Speaker 1 It's just a nightmare. Yeah, it's been coming up on a year since you've been growing that hair out and stuff.
I mean, this is longer than a year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So this is a big, this is going to be a big departure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can't wait. My daughters are excited to be done with my nonsense.
My wife is not happy about it.

Speaker 1 So I saw your wife last night.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I heard.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 she said to me, she's like, I like, because my hair's got a little bit longer than I usually have. It's very long now.
And she goes, I like it that way. And then our friend goes,

Speaker 1 no, it's too long. It's yeah, I don't like it like that.
And then, and then also proceeded to tell me that I was a little overweight.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is this is another guest at the party?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, so this is the host. And I'm like, okay, well, that feels great.

Speaker 2 I think you look beautiful.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You actually look a little thin to me.

Speaker 1 That's what I said.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'd like to fatten him up a little bit.

Speaker 1 You look thinner.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I don't mean to talk to you about

Speaker 2 some sort of like concubine that's just coming hmm i can you hold please i'd like to plump you up a little bit before our session i love um

Speaker 2 sean how are you feeling you're you're still in new york we still haven't seen each other um it's as if we don't like each other

Speaker 1 but if you when you're done with your show this is my plan this i was gonna say this but i i was gonna say please come over thursday night let's do it because i'm getting in wednesday let's do a thursday night dinner either at shawnee at your apartment or somewhere let's do it

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 2 I'm furious that I have now, you know,

Speaker 2 I'm finishing on Wednesday after seven or eight months on this thing.

Speaker 1 Well, and not including the prep, a month of prep.

Speaker 2 Well, no, that includes it. And

Speaker 2 my wife, because she's smarter and kinder about our friends than I am, has forced me to not come home.

Speaker 2 after eight months of being away and stay an extra five days to go see our friend uh who's opening opening in a new play. And so I have to sit here and just kill five days of my life waiting for this.

Speaker 1 But that's when you come over and we'll take care of you.

Speaker 2 But I mean, I don't think our friend would care if I come see it like in a month or in two months.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 Is opening night that big of a deal?

Speaker 1 No, but we're, yeah, it's nice. We're all going to go.
It's going to be nice. You're doing it for somebody else.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why didn't you all do it later?

Speaker 1 What do you think your face is doing right now?

Speaker 2 It probably looks pretty pissed off.

Speaker 1 It does just. That's just gravity.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but it's the good nice thing.

Speaker 1 We're going to go for

Speaker 1 dinner, the three of us, then we're going to do jackets, JB. We already talked about it this week.

Speaker 2 So you're going to kill some time for me.

Speaker 2 You're not going to be stuck out on Long Island. You're going to stay here in the city.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not coming.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to go to Long Island. I'm just going to be in the city the whole time.
Oh, great.

Speaker 2 Yeah. All right.
So then I've got you until the kids and the wife get here on Friday.

Speaker 1 Exactly right.

Speaker 2 And Sean is still in town.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm still not seeing him.

Speaker 1 We worked it out. We worked this out.

Speaker 1 At least we have it all laid out for you when you come home. If you're listening out there and you want to grab a lunch or something, just let us know.

Speaker 1 I was walking down the street the other day and this girl had her earbuds in and she goes, oh my God, Sean Hayes. I go, yeah.

Speaker 1 She goes, you're really in New York, just like you said you were on the podcast. I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't make it up.

Speaker 2 Now, all right, here comes a guest.

Speaker 2 It's been 50, no, 24 minutes. This guest has been waiting with my bad technological problems.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Today, for your listening pleasure,

Speaker 2 I have brought to you an actor, a writer, a producer, an academic, an activist, and a cellist.

Speaker 1 All in one. A cellist.
A cellist.

Speaker 2 For me, his ability to deliver social, political, and religious commentary wrapped up in side-splitting comedy is completely unmatched, making him one of of the most effective and valuable satirists we have in this world.

Speaker 2 He starred in multiple movies, both comedic and dramatic, worked with some of our fanciest directors, been nominated, won multiple awards, and he is my absolute favorite person to see at a party.

Speaker 1 Guys,

Speaker 2 the sneaky handsome, devastatingly funny, Cambridge smart, yet always cheeky, Sasha Baron Cohen.

Speaker 1 Oh, for God's sake.

Speaker 2 Sasha, I'm so sorry for the delay.

Speaker 1 Nice, I wore it. I mean, a man of your...
Now I don't feel so bad knowing it's Sasha. Now that it's Sasha,

Speaker 1 it's okay.

Speaker 2 Will, let me butter him up and then you take him down.

Speaker 2 It's ridiculous that I've left somebody of your stature waiting this long. I apologize.

Speaker 1 Come, come. Please.
It's an honor. It's an honor to be

Speaker 1 114th. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're deep. You're deep.

Speaker 2 You should have been on earlier.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you bury when you do, when you do like, when you have like a big act, right, you don't have the marquee act first.
You have the opening act. You make people wait.
You have them 140.

Speaker 1 You have 230 opening acts. It's deeper than that.

Speaker 1 Hey, Sasha. Sasha.
Hey, how are you? Nice to see you.

Speaker 1 Nice to meet you, Sasha. I don't think I've ever met you.
Have we never met? That seems bizarre. I'm sorry.
Lovely to meet you. Lovely to meet you too.

Speaker 2 We'll keep your knees bent on that one.

Speaker 2 Sasha, you're in Los Angeles or New York?

Speaker 1 I'm in Morea in French Polynesia, where I live now. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 This isn't a bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it is a bit.

Speaker 2 Would you ever live in French Polynesia? Because that sounded great.

Speaker 1 You know what? I actually considered, I looked into it very thoroughly, jokes aside. Truly, really.
That particular show. During the pandemic, yeah, during the pandemic, we knew we were going to move,

Speaker 1 but we were looking somewhere in the southern hemisphere because we knew that...

Speaker 2 the flu the virus the virus doesn't last as long in the southern hemisphere there's the northern hemisphere

Speaker 2 the virus was was

Speaker 1 I think at that point it was somewhere in the southern hemisphere and so we had missed the virus. We were advised by some someone at Johns Hopkins, who I happened to be, happened to know.

Speaker 1 And so we looked into French Polynesia. I looked carefully into Tahiti.
It was interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a

Speaker 1 bilingual school. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, there's beaches.

Speaker 2 Have you been to Borobora? Have you been to the Brando? Have you been to Morea?

Speaker 1 I have been to Morea

Speaker 1 and I've been to, I've not been to the Brando. It's pretty good.
And I have been to Barra Bora. Where's the brand? And I can tell you everywhere else that I've visited as well.

Speaker 2 This sounds like real elite fuck-off conversation, but no, no, no, but let's discuss the best total. No, but listeners, I always thought Tahiti was like, you know, on the edge of the earth.

Speaker 2 It's only three hours past Hawaii for anybody on the West Coast. You know, so people on the West Coast, they go to Hawaii all the time.
It's like

Speaker 2 Florida for the people in New York.

Speaker 1 It's eight hours.

Speaker 2 But it's

Speaker 2 just three hours past that.

Speaker 1 And you're very familiar with it, Jay, because you actually worked there. So the first time you went down there

Speaker 1 to fulfill an obligation to couples retreat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes. Yeah.
Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 By the way, I am happy to discuss French Polynesia.

Speaker 1 Till the end. Yes.
Actually, I was in a shark attack there once. You were in.
No, I've kind of a feeding frenzy. You were in one.
In Morea.

Speaker 1 I went shark diving in Bora Bora. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you, so is that where it came from? Did you go down to dive with sharks and things got a little hot?

Speaker 1 In those days, I think it's illegal now, they used to do something called shark feeding, where I was doing my paddy license. And then...

Speaker 2 That's how you get certified as a scuba diver, listener, Tracy. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And Sean. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what happened? And then,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 the guy I was with, some French instructor,

Speaker 1 had basically said we're going to feed some sharks. And then he puts on a kind of chainmail hand thing.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we're underwater. And he just said, beat him in.
It was just me and him.

Speaker 1 And he basically breaks open a sardine. I remember it.
And then I remember seeing the droplets of blood.

Speaker 1 And then within literally two minutes, there were 12 sharks around. No way.
And then he pulls out this bag, this tuna head. And he's got, you know, a chainmail hand on, chainmail kind of glove on.

Speaker 1 And they start, you know, eating the thing. And it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 And I'm there opposite then they get carried away yeah and there's a feeding frenzy and you can't see anything and he's looking at you with eyebrows high like isn't this what

Speaker 1 he's not looking at me his glove gets knocked off and his regulator no gets knocked out of his mouth and then he leaves he needs some air he goes up and leaves me alone with the 12 sharks that are and i can't see a thing because you put up one finger like i'll be right back

Speaker 1 no nothing there was literally nothing yeah I went down there with a guy.

Speaker 2 He put, he put a tuna head in his wetsuit and right in the front of his wetsuit in order to have all the sharks. It was a big group of us.
And I mean, this, this was planned.

Speaker 2 And he said not to worry about it. And, and, and, and we did a little bit.
And then it was okay. And you can see in their eyes that they're not interested in you.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, sharks are always scary when your head's kind of just above the water. You don't know what's going on below.

Speaker 2 But once you get under and you can look at a shark, look at you and then kind of swim away, your fear of sharks goes away instantly. Wow.

Speaker 1 Highly recommend it. That did not happen when the sharks knocked the regulator out of his mouth and knocked the gloves off and he swam away.

Speaker 1 Sean, you told me once you walked out of a Ralph's with like 12 cans of tuna in your pants, right? Is that a true story?

Speaker 1 Did that happen? That's like a dream come true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Sasha, you sound like that was a surprise that it went awry.

Speaker 1 I was. And I basically started hyperventilating.
I mean, this was my second time diving in my life. Yeah, but I mean, like, but then actually, the guy put he put his regulator back on,

Speaker 1 put the glove back because he'd left me alone. Yeah.
Um, went back down, and then the first shark went to attack him, and he punched it in the nose.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is not good for animal rights lovers out there. No, but that's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 1 He's defending himself. That's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I mean, if the shark is eating you and you're just going, no, I do, I didn't want to punch it and then

Speaker 1 you can hurt me. I don't want to hurt you.
Yeah, give me a picture.

Speaker 2 No, you're allowed. Are you sure that the shark wasn't just coming to him for more sort of that blood? He wasn't going to try to bite the guy, was he?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I think they were just in a front.
He head-butted the shark shop. Did they interview the shark after?

Speaker 1 He head-butted him. He had butted one of the sharks, the lemon shark, which I think was kind of bad.
Those are big. 12 feet long.

Speaker 1 He head-butted that shark. No, of course you have to.
In France, we head-butted.

Speaker 1 Afterwards, I did go up to him and I said, has anyone... In the end, I basically basically came over to me, checked my oxygen, and I completely run out of oxygen.

Speaker 1 And then we did some emergency procedure where, you know, you take his regulator.

Speaker 2 He puts it in your mouth, and you put yours in your mouth.

Speaker 1 He's like, we both have to get in the same wetsuit. Don't worry, it's fine.

Speaker 1 This is how we regulate it. Very long ruse.
We're both in this. We go double.

Speaker 2 This hasn't wrecked your love of scuba diving, though, has it?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I went back the next day.
I did say to him, I said, has anyone ever got hurt on any of your dives? And he said, two people have died.

Speaker 1 No way. For real.
Seriously.

Speaker 1 He was stainless. Yeah, he was a cave diver.
Those guys are completely crazy. And, you know, he basically missed the fun of and the thrill of cave diving.

Speaker 2 I think scuba diving is like, scuba diving is the most magical thing I've ever done.

Speaker 1 I would love, I'd love to do it more. But what if you said, what if you said, have anybody ever done? And he goes, yes, two people.
And you said, they like, like in a cave.

Speaker 1 Where he goes, no, I murdered them

Speaker 1 this was above this was not in the water yeah no the night before i murdered them in that room i strangled them

Speaker 1 do you do a lot of that stuff sasha like do you thrill seek are you a thrill seeker

Speaker 2 really no no no no have you ever skydived would you i have not i would not have you have you i i was a week away from it and then i canceled it uh because i i i i said to myself okay what do you what do you think you'd feel at the end and then i i realized all i would feel is relief and then I thought, well, I've just had my first kid and I shouldn't be doing things that I'm excited about having gotten away with it.

Speaker 2 You know, like no longer should I be doing things I get away with.

Speaker 2 And so I stopped. I said, you know what? I don't want to do it.
Would any none of you guys have done it? Would all three of you

Speaker 1 simulation thing, but not that doesn't count.

Speaker 2 What do you mean? The fucking little fly suit at Universal Studios?

Speaker 1 You get the tube with the air? No. That doesn't count.
It doesn't count.

Speaker 1 So, Sasha Baron Cohn, let's drop the Baron, huh?

Speaker 1 It's always been

Speaker 1 even more cheerish. Well, let's.

Speaker 2 But wait, is it Baron is not a part of the last name, is it? Is it just your, is that your middle name?

Speaker 1 It's part of the last name, yeah. Oh, it's part of it.
Oh, got it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, Sasha,

Speaker 2 your blend of

Speaker 2 comedy and,

Speaker 2 for lack of a better term, education,

Speaker 2 is,

Speaker 2 as I said in the intro, I find personally so admirable. And like, you make the medicine go down super easy for ding-dongs like me in the stuff you shine a light on, not only just on issues, but also

Speaker 2 sort of ethics and

Speaker 2 bigotry and et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 Where does that come from?

Speaker 2 Well, I kind of know where it comes from, but tell the audience, like, when did that, when did you figure out you could blend your social awareness with your comedic talents?

Speaker 1 Firstly, thank you very much for that.

Speaker 1 Let's take it down. It's lovely.

Speaker 1 I could spend all day.

Speaker 1 But please don't.

Speaker 1 I think it's the first time,

Speaker 1 actually the second time I did Borat. So basically Borat was created.
I was doing like

Speaker 1 a satellite TV show. called F2F where I was the host of it.
It was a discussion show for teenage kids. We talked about everything.

Speaker 1 and you talk about teen topics and you know I wanted to be a comedian and so I would go and pre-record characters that I could throw to right and basically I went out once and

Speaker 1 I had a kind of skateboarding character that was a early form of alley g

Speaker 1 and then i basically saw some real skateboarders and the guy i was with this sort of old director from ealing studios who had lost all his money and was working on this really shitty satellite TV show.

Speaker 1 I said, look, those guys look like me. I go, do you think I should talk to them? And he said, 100%.

Speaker 1 So I go over to these guys and I'm basically on my skateboard and I'm playing this early ally G character and they thought I was real. Right.

Speaker 1 And after about three minutes, I said, guys, you know, I'm not,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm not real. This is just a, you know, I'm playing a lot.
They were completely freaked out. Right.
And then I, a tourist bus came. I jumped on the tourist bus.
I commandeered it.

Speaker 1 I started rapping, got off the bus, went into a public.

Speaker 1 Sasha, what year was this maybe?

Speaker 1 This was, I think, 1995 or four. Okay.
Okay. Anyway, I basically go into a pub.
I start breakdancing. They call the police.
I go into some big business.

Speaker 1 I claim that my dad's upstairs and he's the CEO. They call security.

Speaker 1 we run back to this live TV show I run they put on my normal clothes and this guy this legendary guy who's an editor atotean studios yeah is editing while I'm on air and this is this is the days of pneumatics this is right he's like cutting you know everybody's losing four frames

Speaker 1 and he's adding music and this guy was a kind of legendary guy wow and I'm cutting to this stuff and it's, you know, me with real people.

Speaker 2 So it was the first time that it was a comic character with real people, and you realized that you could trojan horror some of the social commentary inside a comedy, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're right, I'm not really answering your question at all. This was like the first time I ever did, you know, characters in the real world at the beginning, yeah, you weren't doing that shit yet.

Speaker 1 Like, even LEG, you weren't really early on, LEG, you weren't really making a commentary, you were just fucking with people, yeah. Um,

Speaker 2 early on, well, but you were exposing sort of the

Speaker 2 lowbrow perspective on certain things that deserve a highbrow analysis. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I think in a way, Ali G was kind of a

Speaker 1 undermining of the establishment.

Speaker 1 It was essentially saying, okay, these people that run society, they are completely out of touch with society so much that they will believe that this guy is real.

Speaker 1 despite him asking the most absurd questions ever. Can I tell you, Sasha, I think I've told you this.
and jb you might know this but um

Speaker 1 and i don't mean to speak ill of the dead

Speaker 1 please do

Speaker 1 but uh

Speaker 1 what they don't give you're not gonna criticize hitler again are you but

Speaker 1 no i told you i wouldn't ever remember you made me i signed a promise to him yeah yeah

Speaker 1 stop it i was in tears yeah you were in absolute you were a wreck hysteria

Speaker 1 weeping it's one of the weirdest positions weeping at the vanity fair party when you were. It's not a position you think Sasha would have, but boy.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 years ago, right after it aired, and I want to say about 2003, 204, something like that. You were still doing LA G at the time.
It was before Borat.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I was at a party with, because he was on arrest development, with James Lipton. Jason, you were there too.
And I had just seen it. And I said to James Lipton, I go, oh, I saw you on LA G.
And I said,

Speaker 1 guy that was on the ground. The Actor Studio guy? Yeah.
the actor studio guy yeah and he was on arrested development he played the warden of the prison yeah

Speaker 1 warden warden gentles genteels yeah yeah that's right that's right and it's a it's a really funny bit to have him as the warden right and the whole time he's really just trying to get them all to mount a play like a musical but he says

Speaker 1 i said yeah i saw you on lg god that was so funny and he goes i knew when he came in i knew that it was a bit and but he went on this whole thing and i just watch it and i'm thinking like

Speaker 1 he didn't know he had no absolutely no idea because he took me off camera after we'd finished the interview back to the other room and so you know i was still in character he completely believed who i was amazing and then he showed me like a painting

Speaker 1 of a

Speaker 1 naked of his wife woman yes is that it's of his wife in the other yeah it is yeah

Speaker 1 yeah and he goes that is my wife yeah which you wouldn't do if you thought and i was like yo man yo she is man i was born that yo Somebody else. Wait, you know how I know that?

Speaker 1 Somebody else, Susha, has told me that very same thing that he came back and said, this is the naked picture painting of my wife. There we go.
You've verified the story. That is fact-checking.

Speaker 1 We have just fact-checked. There you go.
We've established me as a reliable witness.

Speaker 2 And that started the classic line from Borat of, it's my wife. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's my naked wife. Right.

Speaker 1 James Lufton.

Speaker 1 She was beautiful, by the way. She was beautiful.
I'll bet. And classically, if we use those kind of ways to categorize women, what does it even mean? Of course.

Speaker 1 We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 At the beginning, when I asked you, like, like about the risk-taking, like, I was like, would you do anything else other than

Speaker 1 swim with the sharks or whatever? And you said, no, absolutely not. We talked about skydiving.
I'm just realizing, like, this, what you do is so high. It's high risky.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So it's like that must fulfill some kind of like

Speaker 1 rush.

Speaker 1 Do you love

Speaker 1 that kind of rush of like you're about to get caught in a risk?

Speaker 2 You're not doing that as much anymore, correct? Is that because you're just sort of like older and wiser and you don't want to get hit or run anymore?

Speaker 1 Um, with the last,

Speaker 1 sorry, sorry, yeah, no, that end of question.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 interrupted slightly. I thought I was waiting for that.

Speaker 1 You threw me a line a little early.

Speaker 2 No, I can go.

Speaker 1 And then there was an awe. Then there was an awe.

Speaker 1 Um, with the last Borat movie, there was quite a lot of that stuff. And actually,

Speaker 1 um, I mean, we did,

Speaker 1 there was a

Speaker 1 scene at a gun rally, which was, yes, got quite hairy. I remember reading about that, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, it was, you know, I mean, the people were semi-automatics and automatics in the audience, and it was a militia, um, unfortunately, that had organized it that then didn't take it very well.

Speaker 1 And I was singing a song called the Wuhan flute.

Speaker 1 Everybody, what I gotta do.

Speaker 1 I can't even remember it, but. I mean, where does the fearlessness come from, though? I mean, well, there, I'll tell you the truth, with that scene, because we knew that there were going to be,

Speaker 1 you know, basically it was a gun rally and everyone.

Speaker 1 It was the middle of COVID. We were the only movie shooting.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, my security said, listen, you need to have a bulletproof vest on.

Speaker 1 And so I put on the bullet vest and I said, they go, that's fine for pistols.

Speaker 1 And they said, I go, what if somebody shoots the, you know, semi-automatic?

Speaker 1 and you know so it's not just one person so they built so i was singing on stage so they built an amplifier that was pretty much bomb-proof so they basically said you know if people stop really shooting with the semi-automatics go behind the amplifier and uh you'll be safe

Speaker 1 jesus and unbelievable And so the thing is, you know, you're in the scene, I'm on stage.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, you have this kind of conflict between you know I'm terrified and then you also have I need to get the scene so you want to so I was doing you know the same averse again because I felt I hadn't got a good take of it people getting more and more you know they realized at some point that it was me on stage

Speaker 1 there was somebody actually undercover from Black Lives Matter had infiltrated this gun rally.

Speaker 1 And basically they recognized me and word spread that it was me. And then people started trying to storm the stage.

Speaker 2 Right, because they've realized they were getting clowned. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And obviously, they all had guns.
And then, but I'm trying to get the scene and obviously to do as many different takes. And

Speaker 1 eventually they did storm the stage. And actually, somebody pulled a gun.
Jesus. And luckily, I had a very good bodyguard at the time who managed to

Speaker 1 make a bullet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's dead, but

Speaker 1 we gave him such a beautiful funeral. That's why you said at the time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was such a, he went away so well.

Speaker 1 It was such a beautiful and reasonable funeral.

Speaker 1 You know, when you're, it's funny you mentioned reasonable, because I was going to say, you,

Speaker 1 as part of this, and you've kind of the situation you described, you have to deal with a lot of people who

Speaker 1 some might consider to be kind of unreasonable, to be extremist

Speaker 1 in certain ways.

Speaker 1 And my question is,

Speaker 1 when you deal with all these people and you're revealing all this or pulling back the

Speaker 1 sort of the covers on all this kind of shit,

Speaker 1 do you ever have a moment where you go, you know what, this person is kind of a good person.

Speaker 1 They're just really, they've just gotten off on the wrong path.

Speaker 2 Or misinformed.

Speaker 1 I'm sure some of them are despicable, yeah, but just some are misinformed. But actually at their heart, they're kind of good people.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, on the last movie as well, there were these two guys I spent three days in a house with called Jim and Jerry. And they were, you know,

Speaker 1 this is Bruno, right? No, this was Borat 2. Oh, right.

Speaker 1 You know, they believed that Hillary Clinton drank the blood of children and

Speaker 1 COVID was a conspiracy and

Speaker 1 that Hillary killed kids.

Speaker 1 But they were actually,

Speaker 1 they were nice people. They were good people.
They were just

Speaker 1 misinformed. And so you suddenly realize they're

Speaker 1 and they were actually feminists because, well, when I was, you know, when I was being, when Bora was being a misogynist about his daughter,

Speaker 1 they were like, they took it upon themselves to teach me that it was important to be respectful to your daughter. And if she wanted to do her own thing, she should do.
So they.

Speaker 1 They were actually good guys. And you suddenly realized, and it was a surprise, right? Because they had those views.
And you want to dismiss these people as being horrific.

Speaker 1 And then you suddenly realize that actually

Speaker 1 any good person,

Speaker 1 if they're fed a set of ideas and set of information that's wrong, can believe conspiracy theories that ultimately lead to horrific stuff. Right.
Right.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 we

Speaker 2 at the at the risk of stepping towards political, which we try not to do on this because God knows people get enough of that shit away from here.

Speaker 1 Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 But just on this subject, do you feel hopeful at all that there's a scenario, a possibility where the those who feel so disenfranchised and aggrieved um can be brought into a sense of well actually i guess we aren't um you know uh we should we needn't be tribalized like we we can all kind of get along and and work as one like do you do you see that as as a possibility

Speaker 1 um i i don't given the state of the current, you know, internet and information

Speaker 1 laws, basically.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that possibly you can penetrate this misinformation and

Speaker 2 make it healthy.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, you're being fed so much stuff that polarizes you. Yeah.
You know, if you look at the craziness that is going on in the world, it's everything has been accelerating since...

Speaker 1 you know, social media came along.

Speaker 1 So until really, in my opinion, until you actually get laws that,

Speaker 1 you know, get legislation that curbs the power of those social media companies and says, all right, actually, you can't spread lies like this that kill people

Speaker 1 or that completely undermine democracy. And

Speaker 2 you are legitimately educated on this issue of

Speaker 2 free speech versus

Speaker 2 trying to keep the social media sites

Speaker 2 from being regulated. And so, my question to you is: what is that difference between, well, free speech should be given to everybody, but you can't yell fire in a crowded theater?

Speaker 2 So, what is that line? And who is the one that

Speaker 2 can say, oh, yeah, this qualifies as you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, so therefore you can't say that? Like, who decides what in what what what's what statements get put in that category?

Speaker 1 I mean, these are very big

Speaker 1 questions, huge. And they kind of vary from country to country.
So, you know, in England and Australia and Germany, you know, you have laws about hate speech and about certain types of misinformation.

Speaker 1 In America, obviously, you have complete free speech, but it's...

Speaker 2 but it's not up to those except for yelling fire.

Speaker 1 Yes. Well, actually,

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 kind of can at the moment.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know the internet companies because they're not regulated because of this thing uh called section 230 they can put out which is a free speech thing right section 230 isn't really about free speech it basically says you can't sue them so once you can't sue a company you know they have no obligation to you know maintain the free speech of uh the united states in the same way that a restaurant can say you know what i'm going to throw you out of the restaurant for saying this or that, or you know,

Speaker 1 we're having that KKK hood here.

Speaker 1 So I think the fact, you know, they're saying that they care about free speech basically because it's fantastic for their business model, it means that they can have every single person in the world can be on Meta, can be on Instagram, can be on X.

Speaker 1 They're not actual, they don't care really about free speech. No, look at Elon Musk, who consistently talks about free speech.

Speaker 1 And he'll do that. And then out of the other side of his mouth, he's

Speaker 1 sort of decrying the government for doing X, Y, and Z, or he's kicking people off, or he's muting them on Twitter.

Speaker 1 I actually don't want to talk to him because I don't want to give him any more airtime. They got such a, in my opinion, so fucking unfunny, it's crazy,

Speaker 1 which is, I think, the most damning thing about one of a lot of damning things, but the fact is how profoundly unfucking funny he is is so astonishing.

Speaker 2 But that, and that's why your work

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 your courage quite frankly I in my opinion is so valuable and and you know I'd I'd take it I wish you were back on a weekly show. I'd take it once a week

Speaker 1 So thank you for all I think you're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah JB We need to have that sort of you need to be in there lampooning and really showing shedding light on the hypocrisy alone is so fucking jarring right yeah it's it's refreshing to I mean it must be fun for you when you have those people say when you put them in that position and then they say the thing that you're like fucking hell this is unreal Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, it's horrific, but you go, oh, you know, while I'm actually

Speaker 1 in the room, I'm editing the scene as well. Right.
So in my head, I'm going, you know, and once they've got the thing, I go, oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 And now one follow-up question, bang. Okay, now I'm going to move on to the next bit.

Speaker 1 You know, because there's obviously no director there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where did you, where did you, you know, I've always been taken by your

Speaker 1 figure.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 You're silhouette. Surprisingly.

Speaker 1 Tell me more about that.

Speaker 2 I mean, the show.

Speaker 1 Tell me more about that.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? What do you mean, my figure?

Speaker 1 Stay on that topic. What do you mean? It's surprisingly.

Speaker 2 It's surprisingly.

Speaker 2 But you're, I did say sneaky handsome in the intro, I believe.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you.
But the,

Speaker 2 and you did start as a model, but we won't need to talk about that.

Speaker 2 You know, more

Speaker 2 with Wikipedia accuracy.

Speaker 2 But your ability as an actor is like,

Speaker 2 you know, breathtaking might be overstating it, but I don't have a better word. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 But it's like your comedy is never, your comedy never comes from jokes and you're never making, you know, it's rarely as a Pratt faller making faces.

Speaker 2 It's about your ability to be so convincing with an extremely eccentric character.

Speaker 2 And yet you can be literally sitting in front of somebody who is super smart and maybe even primed to sort of sniff out some gotcha moments and they still can't tell that it's you but not even when you're doing you know those characters when you're just in films and dramas and stuff like where you didn't you didn't take formal training as an actor did you um i only did one course i did i studied with uh

Speaker 1 philippe golier the legendary uh clown school clown clown school at l'école philippe golier yeah at a clown school yeah that was it i did it but no i didn't really try anything in acting. No.

Speaker 2 It's just something that

Speaker 1 tell us. I mean,

Speaker 2 does it just come natural to you?

Speaker 2 How do you, what do you well?

Speaker 1 I think,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think, you know, we did an experiment after

Speaker 1 in 2016.

Speaker 1 I, that, that show, Who's America, came out of me and my collaborator, Ant Hines and Dan Swyma. We basically said, you know what? Let's just create some characters.

Speaker 1 I'd done a movie, it had been a complete bomb. And I was like, let's take this opportunity to create some characters.

Speaker 1 And we decided to go every week for the next 10 weeks, we're going to create a character, write it, create a fake prosthetic head for it.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the week, shoot with a real person with the character. And I did that for 10 weeks.
And there are a variety of crazy characters, some that made it to the show.

Speaker 1 Six we put in the show. And then I realized basically

Speaker 1 what I was able to do is once I've got the way the character speaks, and once I work out what it looks like, and once I work out what the clothes are, and I've got a couple of phrases, I can just stick in it.

Speaker 1 So that was, because

Speaker 1 that was a couple of weeks in, I was like, oh, this is what

Speaker 1 I can do is I can,

Speaker 1 you know, they call it inhabiting a character, but I actually kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, if I've got 30 seconds whatever then i'm i can go in it it's probably there must be something wrong with my brain no it's it's i think some people it's just it it's just comfortable to them to pretend to be somebody else and they just know how to be super subtle and convincing and authentic and it doesn't trip them up and you're able to stay in it well there's a freedom but there's a but there's a freedom too if you think about it because a lot of those times when you're shooting especially some of the sort of the whether it's borad or bruno or whatever you're you're you've created a character or multiple characters,

Speaker 1 but the people you're working with are not aware that they're in a scene in the same way, right? So, so it's much,

Speaker 1 A, it's difficult because it's complete verite, right? You're

Speaker 1 actually in their real life,

Speaker 1 right? So, you've got to not just convince the audience, you've got to convince the person you're dealing with in the moment that you're real, a real person, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, you, you've got to do that. And there must be a certain,

Speaker 1 I don't know, like making that leap is uh

Speaker 1 is tough I would I would imagine like just getting into that yeah what making it real I mean it's funny sometimes I get

Speaker 1 you know I'll have a director say you know I want you to do

Speaker 1 you know a scripted movie and they'll go this time you're going to be playing a real person right

Speaker 1 and I go hold on the other people I play are real people which is why I'm with Dick Cheney

Speaker 1 with Dick Cheney for three hours and yeah he's he doesn't doubt once that he's with a real person. What about Giuliani?

Speaker 2 I mean, thank God.

Speaker 2 You started that.

Speaker 1 What can you say? Can you say anything? Can you talk about Giuliani? Yes, yeah, I can, I think, talk about Giuliani.

Speaker 1 That was amazing. I mean, essentially, you know, that movie.

Speaker 1 So we were like, why do we bring Ballrat back? And actually, I've got to thank Kimmel

Speaker 1 where...

Speaker 1 Kimmel said, we want you on. It was like the midterms.

Speaker 1 And he wanted me to do some sketch where basically I was

Speaker 1 a kind of Ashton Kutcher type who had been manipulating Kanye West

Speaker 1 into turning him into a character that was so ridiculous that he would hang out with Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 basically, I said, I'll do it so long as Kanye will do it. This was years ago.
This was 2018, right?

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 I called up Kanye and said, Will you do this thing? And it'll be, you know, he'd already met up with Trump.

Speaker 1 And I said, will you do this sketch where it says, you know, we're planning out, you know, we're going to create this ridiculous character and it's going to end up with you in Trump Tower.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be as if you were playing along. And he said, I love the idea, but, you know, I need the president to agree.
And I was like, Trump? I go, don't, no, no, don't ask him. So

Speaker 1 I couldn't do, he goes, no, he goes, no, I love him and

Speaker 1 I want you to, I need to ask him. I go, please please do not tell him we're doing this sketch at all so I couldn't do that sketch and then basically

Speaker 1 I decided to do borat actually I spoke to Chris Rock is that name drop I think so yeah sure we'll pick it up it's a kind of name drop yeah here it is yeah yeah yeah it's a name drop so I spoke to Chris Rock world famous comedian and actor And he said, why don't you, you know, I was in a rush.

Speaker 1 Basically, I was going to go on air two days' time. They said, just do Borat going door to door.
We did Borat door to door, got the moustache out of storage. And

Speaker 1 then I realized that basically Bullrat was just an extreme form of Trump. They had almost identical views, except Bullrat was kind of 30 to 40% more extreme with everything.
I was like, oh, great.

Speaker 1 We can bring him back for Trump. And then I was like, how do I infiltrate? you know, Trump's world.
I go, okay, if he has a daughter who's 15, wouldn't it be great if,

Speaker 1 you know, Trump had sex with her?

Speaker 1 And so, you know, originally I was trying to work out how to get this, you know, actress in with Trump.

Speaker 1 We got her close to him for a while, but it was, you know, we spoke to a lot of ex-Secret Service guys. And the idea was like, I would kind of jump out of the wall somewhere.

Speaker 1 We had like all these plans where, you know, Trump would be in a room. I would be inside the wall.
We would, you know, hollow out a wall, then build it up around me.

Speaker 1 And then I'd burst out when he was with her.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 an ex-top Secret Service guy looked after the president. And we go, what do you think of this plan? I'm going to be in there.
I'll be in there for like five hours.

Speaker 1 He said, the issue is that the Secret Service have a machine that sees if there's anyone else, anyone in the walls.

Speaker 1 And I go, all right. So.
I go, what's worse comes worse, they find that I'm there. And what, they pull me out? He goes, no, they shoot you dead.
I go, why?

Speaker 1 He goes, Because why else would you be in a why? With there be a living person inside a wall unless they're trying to safe assumption that they can't negotiate with a guy like you. They just kill him.

Speaker 1 So we basically gave up on Trump. Also, you know, we thought at the time that you know he was the most protected person in the world.
I mean, this was prior to those last unfortunate incidents.

Speaker 1 But Rudy, but then we found out Rudy was a possibility.

Speaker 1 He's a little bit of a softer target.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we knew that he was going to be crucial. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we kind of researched him. We found out what, what he drank, when he started drinking.
Was it the answer anything?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 there was a particular type of alcohol. But then we heard that he would sweep the room.
He had a very senior head of security who would come in and sweep the room. And so we built a kind of fake

Speaker 1 cupboard inside the wardrobe. So fake back to there was a wardrobe that if somebody opened it, it would have a fake back to him.
Behind that was me.

Speaker 1 And so the idea was, you know, I'd just stand in there for, you know, an hour and a half and then the necessary bit jump out if he was close to kissing, you know, the girl playing my daughter. And

Speaker 1 anyway, basically, the,

Speaker 1 we had a crew member who accidentally put me in the wrong room

Speaker 1 and i said you know when is you know so i would have to be in position for you know for this to happen otherwise you know there's no way to get into the room because his head of security would come into the room sweep the room sweep every room and then he would sit outside so no one could come in with ruby rudy and her and i was in the wrong room and i said wait a minute how long till rudy you know goes to the room and he said oh he's on his way there now and i was like now and basically i ran to the room and I literally saw Rudy's leg come around the corner.

Speaker 1 I ducked into the room, went into the wardrobe, went behind the fake wall, closed it. And then I heard the door open off his security, you know, sweep the room that I was in and then come out.

Speaker 1 So he swept to the room. We did the scene.
You know, eventually, oh, by the way, so I'm in there for an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the only way I can communicate with the director was through a cell phone. And we thought of everything.
I pick up the cell phone. I'm in the pitch black.
And there's 3%

Speaker 1 through, you know, an hour and a half. I was like, we did everything.
We've got hidden cameras. We've got the...
But

Speaker 1 somebody had not charged the cell phone. So at some point, I had to kind of climb out of it and make eye contact with the brilliant actor Maria, who's playing my daughter.
And she's like.

Speaker 1 Rudy's on the bed and she's like coming out, looking at me and going, what do I do? And

Speaker 1 eventually I confronted Rudy.

Speaker 1 he freaks out, goes out the room, and his head of security pushes me into the room. You know, I'm playing Borat and Borat, you know, is so naive.

Speaker 1 You know, if he sees a chair, he'll say, What is this machine with four legs?

Speaker 1 You know, and something to the head of security is pushed me back into the room, going, You're going nowhere, because I had an escape route.

Speaker 1 So, my security guy was going to take me down the escape route, but the head of security pushes me into the room. He goes, You're going nowhere, you're staying right here.

Speaker 1 And I said, This is a false imprisonment. You are standing on my property and you will leave now and unhand me now.

Speaker 1 And basically he realized that I read the law, ran down, ran down the fire escape, got into a car, got to the crew hotel. And then essentially, my lawyer says, he found out what we did.

Speaker 1 And he said, okay, you've got to get out the state now.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's ridiculous. Why? They go, Rudy,

Speaker 1 Rudy had called something, and I'd met the manager of the hotel a year onwards

Speaker 1 in DC.

Speaker 1 And he said, Rudy had done something. I don't know what he'd called in, but he said every single type of law enforcement descended on the hotel, shut down the hotel.

Speaker 1 They confiscated all the equipment. All the crew were stuck in the hotel rooms.
And then my security, I had a policeman that I'd hired. He realized that I'd set up Rudy Giuliana.

Speaker 1 He immediately told Rudy's security where I lived, where I was staying.

Speaker 1 And so my lawyer was like, get the hell out of New York City now. I was like, that seems a little bit over the top.
I called up this other security guy I know. I know a lot of security guys

Speaker 1 who runs

Speaker 1 these kind of detectives, you know, New York and stuff like that. And I said, listen, I've been told I have to leave New York State.

Speaker 1 you know, in the next 20 minutes, because I interviewed someone and I go, he goes, what did you do? And I go, you know, warlike some, you know, lingerie and da-da-da, politician.

Speaker 1 I go, he goes, who was it? I go, you know, it was Giuliani. He goes, get the hell out of the hotel now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I start texting everyone who I knew outside of New York. Hi, how's it going?

Speaker 1 Haven't seen you for a few years. This was the middle of the pandemic.
Yeah. You know, this is when Manhattan was completely empty.
You'd go up Fifth Avenue. There was not a car or a person.

Speaker 1 I go, how's it going? Any chance I could stay soon? When?

Speaker 1 15 minutes. And people like, you know, people are like freaked out, not responding.
Eventually, one of them says yes.

Speaker 1 And basically I drive to Connecticut and it was fantastic.

Speaker 2 But you got all the footage and you got your equipment.

Speaker 1 We got all the footage.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, it was interesting. It was interesting.
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Speaker 2 So, Sasha, I would imagine that the thrill of acting and also the sort of the and the social relevance,

Speaker 2 political relevance of some of your efforts is thrilling. Does it compare with the

Speaker 2 just the pure acting thrill of being in a film that's directed by Martin Scorsese?

Speaker 2 I mean, that's just one-third of what you're doing when you're doing your other stuff.

Speaker 2 Can you compare the two of them? Are you drawn towards one versus the other

Speaker 1 I mean I am I remember the first film I did was Talladega Nights yeah it was the first trailer I'd been in and I went in Ricky Baby and

Speaker 1 and basically I remember seeing that there was a bed in the trailer

Speaker 1 and I'd never had a trailer beforehand because we'd always been in the back of a car I was like why is there a bed somebody's accidentally put a bed in my room they go no that's I go what am I meant to do with it sleep you know yeah and so I thought, wow, this is actually an incredible kick.

Speaker 1 But, you know, when it's the other stuff,

Speaker 1 it is, I mean, it's much less stressful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Although,

Speaker 1 you know, I just did a

Speaker 1 show with Alfonso Coron. Yes, let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 That's coming on action.

Speaker 1 But we had like a 15-minute scene, yeah, with me and Kate Blanche that they wanted to do in one take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that became pretty exhausting and pretty.

Speaker 2 Do you have a passion for acting, like the freaking craft of acting?

Speaker 1 I mean, if it's good and you're working with an incredible director,

Speaker 1 then, and you're an incredible director, my friend.

Speaker 2 I love you so much.

Speaker 1 No, you are. Can I just say

Speaker 1 the remainder of this about Jason Bennett?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 yeah, then it's, then it is.

Speaker 2 But it's in different categories for you, though. Yes.
I mean, it's not comparable, right? They're different things.

Speaker 1 Yes? No. No, because you're just doing the acting.
You know, everything else is: how are we going to get into the room? What's the escape route?

Speaker 1 Who's that person? That person's looking suspicious.

Speaker 1 This person doesn't quite believe me. My fake ear is falling off my head.

Speaker 1 And then you're, you know, number eight in the thing is performance.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Now, are you, Sanja?

Speaker 1 Are you, you know, I speak on behalf of millions of people that are fans of yours, like I am, like huge fans, where we're constantly waiting for your next thing where that because you you're you're one of the few artists that you know combine art and politics and have been so successful in all of those um improvisational types of whatever you call them movies replay these yeah these characters i obviously you can't tell us if you're what it is you're working on but are you could we expect another character to pop up in a movie soon are you excited about that type of thing to do that again because on the from the outside i i can't wait

Speaker 1 acting thing with with uh

Speaker 1 i can't wait for for those types of things again or are you down

Speaker 1 i think they are yeah i mean the last one became so extreme

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 it was you know after that you know gun rally thing that i was talking about yeah i was essentially on the run i had a militia kind of following me and we were going i was going from safe house to safe house for about four days that's the movie yeah exactly by the way i mean it's that was yeah it kind of is the movie because, you know, you finish that, that song with that militia.

Speaker 1 You go, oh, that went really well. And then, you know, the escape itself is tough because we're in an ambulance.
We're surrounded by 30 guys trying to pull me out of the ambulance.

Speaker 1 They pull open the door. You know, I'm

Speaker 1 we can't get enough of that. We can't get enough of that.
Yeah, I mean, no one's really, you know, that's the behind the scenes stuff. That at some point, there needs to be a behind the scenes movie.

Speaker 1 And we shot, we did have, we've got a bunch of footage of the last 25 years, but yeah, that I think it became so crazy in the last one that you realize

Speaker 1 you've you know you've got to be there's a certain amount of skill and preparation but also you're going to be lucky and at some point your luck runs out yeah yeah your luck runs out and just the practicality of it because it has been so successful for so long this this this type of

Speaker 2 you know again for lack of a better term ambush type of thing like people people know you they love these films like the millions and millions of people have seen them you just can't sneak up on anybody anymore yes Well, I think that just the danger element meant that

Speaker 1 I just didn't really want to do it again. You know, I felt I had to do it for that election.
I had to do it. I felt it was like, you know, I was terrified about.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 let's not come off the gas just yet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We're not out of the woods yet, Sasha.

Speaker 2 Still needs you. That's true.

Speaker 2 You know, I haven't asked you one fucking question, and we're done.

Speaker 2 We're finished with the time. No, I've got all these things all like highlighted and everything.
It's,

Speaker 2 I apologize to the listener. We haven't done any legitimate journalism here.
Let's let's at least talk about disclaimer and working with Alfonso Caron and Apple and

Speaker 2 Cape Blanche. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's well, well, well deserved for your acting talents to be, you know, working with these people at the top of the profession.
So

Speaker 2 is have you seen it all the way through? Disclaimer?

Speaker 1 I watched it for the first time

Speaker 1 in Venice.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I mean, no one could believe that I hadn't watched it until then. And I'm like, the embarrassing thing was I was laughing at the jokes that I'm making it.
There's not many, but

Speaker 1 it's quite embarrassing. You're at a premiere watching yourself, and you're one of the only people laughing at jokes that you make.

Speaker 1 And then I was like really moved by one of my performances. I was like near tear.

Speaker 1 And I realized I'm just a complete narcissist, just looking, just really moved by my own performance wait it was it wasn't until Venice this year that you realized that

Speaker 1 wow I never knew there was a connection between

Speaker 1 actors in movies and narcissism no

Speaker 2 I'll bet it's I'll bet it's absolutely stunning it's uh it's actually when does it come it comes out October or it came out when is it came out no when is it when yeah when it wedded this coming out yeah it came out October 11th.

Speaker 1 It came out October 11th. It was amazing.
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, October 11th, the weather was so great that day.

Speaker 2 That was a great

Speaker 2 thing. Sasha, when do we get to

Speaker 2 you coming back to Los Angeles at any time soon and we can all come out again?

Speaker 1 I love it like the old days.

Speaker 2 God damn it, I love seeing you.

Speaker 1 And Sean, it'd be lovely to meet you in the flesh. I would love that too.
I'm around. Just give a shot.
If you need a place to crash when you're in trouble in New York again,

Speaker 1 my place is yours. Right.
If you don't mind militias coming to your door, yeah. No, are you kidding? Yeah.
What do they look like?

Speaker 2 You were really, really nice to say yes to this. I know you don't do this a lot.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I'm awful at it.
The honest truth is, I'm very bad at it. It's very good.
Are you bad at all?

Speaker 1 I'll see you socially. Socially, it's a pleasure, but the

Speaker 1 slight pressure with the

Speaker 1 pressure. No,

Speaker 2 this is fantastic.

Speaker 1 You're a human being. Well, by the way, very muscly.
I can see your. I don't know if you're doing this intentionally, but you're sure.
I'm seeing glutes. I've seen

Speaker 1 strides. Yeah, yeah.
No, you've been working out. You're looking very muscly.

Speaker 1 What's your question?

Speaker 1 Are you doing this for a reason? This is for my pin-up collection. My pin-up collection.
Early July. I think this is my July for my calendar.
Wow. Wow, you really actually do look incredible.

Speaker 1 Prison with Arnett.

Speaker 2 That's the calendar.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Sasha, thank you so, so, so much. No, thank you.

Speaker 2 We love you a lot. Please come out to the business.
I love you.

Speaker 1 No, seriously, I love you both. Sean, you seem very very lovely.

Speaker 1 He's the best of the three of us.

Speaker 1 Miss you, Sasha.

Speaker 1 These two I do love. I do love.
Yeah, we're trash compared to him. What do you think? I love you, Sasha, even though we don't know each other.
I love you. You love me.
I feel affectionate to you.

Speaker 1 I feel an instant warmth. Oh, he's a little love thing.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Very charming and lovely persona.

Speaker 2 You just want to pet him when you see him.

Speaker 1 He totally does seem like that. You're right.
You're not going to sue me for saying that, are you? Okay.

Speaker 1 K-Monty Strong on a podcast.

Speaker 1 Loved it.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thank you and goodbye. Enjoy the rest of your night.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you for agreeing.

Speaker 2 I can't wait for disclaimer.

Speaker 1 Everybody check it out.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's honestly, I would say

Speaker 1 I thought it was excellent. Personally.
Yeah, we'll see you at the Emmys a bit.

Speaker 1 I hope they should put that on the poster. I think it's excellent.
Social people.

Speaker 1 personally thought it was excellent. By the way, I have seen stuff that I've done.
I was like, that is bad. I laughed and I cried at myself.

Speaker 1 But it'd be pretty fucking funny to have a quote from one of the stars of the film.

Speaker 1 All of them. Kay Blanchett.
Kay Blanchett.

Speaker 1 A guaranteed Emmy Tour de France.

Speaker 1 Kay Blanchett. End of quote.
I think he's great. Kevin Klein.
I am in this.

Speaker 2 Kevin Klein's in it too?

Speaker 1 Kevin Klein's in it. He's actually fantastic in it.
Oh, God. I love him.
I love it.

Speaker 2 I'd love to see more from him. All right.

Speaker 1 Enjoy the rest of your night. All right.
Thank you. See you soon.

Speaker 1 Loves everyone. Okay, Tidalu.
Thank you. Thank you, Palmer.
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
Bye, Paul. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 That's a great guest, Jay. That was really, really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great job, Jay.

Speaker 2 I just love him.

Speaker 1 Sasha Baron Cohen.

Speaker 1 He's got great stories.

Speaker 2 One of the funniest guys ever. I mean, he's up there with Sean Hayes, Will Arnett, and Will Farrell in my world.

Speaker 2 I just like, they just can't, I get in an instant good mood when I'm talking about it.

Speaker 1 Well, nobody, I was going to say to him, nobody does, I mean, it sounds so cliche to say it, but it's true. Nobody does, nobody does what he does.
Nobody's ever done what he does.

Speaker 2 No one's got the intelligence, the balls, or the acting talent to do what he does.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like a Peter Sellers,

Speaker 1 which is his hero, by the way. Oh, really? You didn't even get into that.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like a

Speaker 1 version of that in real life when he goes

Speaker 1 applying it to the real world. Yeah, exactly.
Right, which is so

Speaker 1 interesting. Yeah, it's really cool.
I never met him before. He just seems so.

Speaker 1 I'd love to hang out with you so far.

Speaker 2 He's the greatest at a party.

Speaker 2 I just start to hover, and he's eventually got to walk away from me because I just put in too much time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he seems hyper-intelligent. He is.
Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 Cambridge, educated. Oh, wow.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Not a ding-dong.

Speaker 2 Speaking of ding-dongs, what's for lunch today, Sean?

Speaker 1 I'm going to do a French dip

Speaker 1 and with French dips. Why is it always something special?

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 something, it's got it's always got something with sauce or

Speaker 2 like some kind of like really electric flavor to it. How about just like some sort of sustenance?

Speaker 1 Aren't you amazed at how fast I know my answers whenever you ask what I had or what I'm going to have? Well, we're cutting into it right now, right?

Speaker 2 You can probably smell it, right?

Speaker 1 We're still clonking these clothes. Smell it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it already

Speaker 1 where is it from? No, I'm going to order the second night.

Speaker 1 There's a place a block away. I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 2 Don't say the name. Someone will try to poison you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. But it's a block away.
It only takes a second to get. Yeah.
It's so good. Wow.
It's so good. It's one of the best in the city.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm going to have?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what you should have?

Speaker 2 Because I have, because I've got this stupid level of discipline about because of my passion for my character, my strong energy.

Speaker 1 I get it. I know you do.
I know you're joking, but it's true and it's very admirable.

Speaker 1 It's not a healthy way to do it. I know.

Speaker 2 I'm tired of being thin.

Speaker 1 But Wednesday, that's what I'm saying. Wednesday, after Wednesday is over and you wrap your beautiful show, an amazing show that everybody's going to go ape shit about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Thursday. No, Wednesday or Thursday.
No, yeah, Wednesday I wrap.

Speaker 1 So Thursday, our dinner.

Speaker 2 Can it be something super fattening?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have to have, so I'm not, because I have lost weight, I'm on a new thing, which is it's all about

Speaker 1 eating more and eating the right thing. And that's what I'm talking about.
Losing weight unhealthily is not good. You can lose weight and also do it in a healthy way.

Speaker 1 Look like this.

Speaker 1 How are you doing?

Speaker 2 So then what am I going to have Thursday night? Am I going to have steak? You know, steak okay?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of steak and veggies, no starch, no bread, no nothing like that. Why can't you, can't you do pizza? Can you do pizza? You can have a little bit.
No.

Speaker 1 No. No, man.
A little bit of starch at lunch, a tiny bit, like a little bit of maybe a sweet potato, a couple pieces, maybe a little bit of rice, like that much. Yeah.
A couple.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you got to release the valve every once in a while.
So you want a little tiny little bite of pizza shit.

Speaker 1 One cheap. One cheat meal a week.

Speaker 2 One meal. To keep your metabolic rate going, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. One.
But it's not about. But here's the other thing.
It's not fast metabolism or slow metabolism, it turns out. Hot or cold.

Speaker 1 And what you need to do to keep your metabolism hot is you need to feed it with the right stuff at the right time of day. I went and saw this guy.
Unbelievable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Unreal. And he did.

Speaker 1 This is a guy you're dating? Oh, a nutritionist.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're just seeing each other.

Speaker 1 I met him right behind. You know, the party store on Sunset.
Sure.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I know the guy. And I hear,

Speaker 2 he says, I'm going to be in a Corolla.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he, and he.

Speaker 1 No, anyway.

Speaker 2 How many times did he flash the brights?

Speaker 2 What was the code?

Speaker 1 Well, it was Morris' code, and I thought he said help, and it was

Speaker 1 hella.

Speaker 1 Can you help me with my pants?

Speaker 1 He was just, he was just, you know, he was just a person. He was like,

Speaker 1 bystander, bystander. Oh, well, just commit to it.
Just do it. Someone's hungry.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 Try to do it without going up.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 So the guy, well, I know that guy that you met behind the party. party too.
He was just a regular buying. Bye.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not as good, but. Bye.

Speaker 2 Bye, everybody. Bye.

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