"Steve Martin & Martin Short"

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Speaker 3 So, Will, you have

Speaker 3 expressed

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 you're not in a great mood today. And it's surprising because it is our 200th, so it is cause for celebration.
I'd sing you both happy birthday, but it's not a birthday, really. It's just

Speaker 3 a 200 celebration. I thought it is 200 celebrations.
You know what? It is, it's a great day for us. And I got to remember, I had a bit of

Speaker 3 an okay start, and then you have grumpy moments, and I just remember this thing, which is like, just because you have a grumpy start doesn't mean you can't have a great finish. That's right.

Speaker 3 We don't need a bumper sticker or anything on here.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 What about you just tell us what the problem is, and then we'll just say that's how silly you are.

Speaker 3 Your current look with your beanies and your beard look like you've got a million bumper stickers, and a lot of them say coexist with different shit on the back of the shit.

Speaker 3 Does my beanie and my beard put you in a deeper bad mood in my Sally Jesse Raphael? Yeah, because you know why? Because it puts you deeper into Vermont, okay?

Speaker 4 For me, no, it looks, it looks like you're from Seattle.

Speaker 3 Oh, God, if you could smell my patchouli right now.

Speaker 3 Willie, Willie, what's wrong?

Speaker 3 Yeah, tell us what happened.

Speaker 3 No, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 3 It's just been a lot of admin, and admin stuff gets me pissed. And, and, because as-domestic administration.
No, not domestic, just work admin. And I have a certain way I like doing things.

Speaker 3 And then when people fuck it up, I'm like, my patience for stuff is like, I go,

Speaker 3 I go,

Speaker 3 fucking, what

Speaker 3 you've just, things got more,

Speaker 3 why didn't stuff just go the way if you let me?

Speaker 3 My, I thought.

Speaker 3 So this is relatable complaints about having too much work. Is that what it is? Getting a lot of sympathy from the No, no, these are relatable things about that.
Everybody has with just life.

Speaker 3 When life gets away and you just go like, you know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 3 I get that way too.

Speaker 4 I get that way too when people can't like

Speaker 4 get inside your head. I'll walk into a room and I'll go, I don't know, I don't know why she said that.
And Scotty goes, you have to catch me way up. Yeah.
Like that's the first thing I'll say. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because I'm so far ahead in my brain.

Speaker 3 And you just assume that everybody's in your brain. Yeah, and everybody's frustrated as you are.
All caught up. Can't they just read your mind? Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 Anyway, this is wonderful. It is.

Speaker 3 It's a great.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is supposed to be a day of celebration. Can you believe we've had 200 episodes?

Speaker 3 I can't know. 200 episodes.

Speaker 3 Does that mean that it's been 200 weeks since we debuted? Kind of. Is it clean math like that? I think it's a pretty clean math once a week, yeah.
Does it feel like it's been 200? It does not.

Speaker 4 It does not. It feels like we've been doing it two weeks.

Speaker 3 It feels like 2,000. Okay, yeah, two weeks.

Speaker 3 It's 2000.

Speaker 3 So the math is tough for me, but it does, that sort of correlates to what, four years? Well, if it's one a week, right? Yeah. It's 52.
And we've done 200, right? Yeah, it's four years.

Speaker 3 It's 200 weeks, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Do you want me to keep saying right? Is that not four years? Well, 208.
208, right?

Speaker 3 Would be four. So in two more months, it'll be four years.

Speaker 3 So like

Speaker 3 smart.

Speaker 4 No, because 52 times four is

Speaker 4 90.

Speaker 3 What? No. Oh, no.
50.

Speaker 3 I'm really getting stumped on this.

Speaker 4 Wait, what's 52 times 4?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. 8.
5 times 4. What have I done? What have I done? Yeah.

Speaker 3 We're 208, man. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So we're not there yet, but soon it'll be 20 years.

Speaker 4 We're not four years, but we're 200.

Speaker 3 Anyway, sorry, just real quick, sidebar.

Speaker 3 With you spending so much time away from home,

Speaker 3 you must be really building up a...

Speaker 3 Little stockpile of crusty socks, am I right? Oh, yeah. No, I've got them all standing up.
I've turned them into little side tables. Sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's quite a collection. You know, socks.
By the way, have we already discussed this? We don't need to get too blue, but

Speaker 3 I didn't know what the sock,

Speaker 3 I didn't know about the sock method until, I mean, I'm 54 years old. I didn't know about it until like two years ago.
Okay.

Speaker 4 But that you use a sock instead of Kleenex or something?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just genius. It's just, I can't.
Were you like it? Wait, I didn't know which way you were going with that.

Speaker 3 Honestly,

Speaker 3 you think it's just, but I thought he was about to go, it's just disgusting knowing that. No, no, it's.

Speaker 4 I wish I could go back to the time and toss it in the water.

Speaker 3 Oh, I would have saved so much.

Speaker 3 I mean, this, I guess for you, this is your answer to if you could turn back time, right? If I could turn back time,

Speaker 3 my masturbation technique would just be so what a bird of a

Speaker 3 tongue. I want to know something.

Speaker 4 I was watching Oprah decades ago, and they did this.

Speaker 3 She did cover this?

Speaker 4 She did. No, no, she didn't.
And she did this piece on this college kid, and they took her whole crew there, and they went inside the college kid's dorm, and with no irony or joking around,

Speaker 4 they were interviewing this kid, and his roommates were like, yeah, and he's got this and this.

Speaker 4 And look, and they opened up his side drawer right next to his pillow, and there was tons of Kleenex in there.

Speaker 3 New Kleenex. And they go, and the guy goes, yeah, he gets sick all the time.

Speaker 3 Sure. He's always sick every night.
Yeah. And I was like sitting at home going,

Speaker 3 they actually believe that this kid gets sick. Oh, bless it.
Oh, well, he does. He doesn't get, but his dick barfs.
You know? Hey, now, Will. That's an old school.
Jesus.

Speaker 3 Shawnee, what's your mood like today on our 200? I'm better now, by the way. I feel much better now that I'm just going to get a little bit of a tiny

Speaker 3 little sunshine from your buddies. I know, it's true.

Speaker 4 I'm good. I'm getting my teeth clean later today.
So I need to get.

Speaker 3 You're getting your teeth clean, so that's a joyous day for you. It is.

Speaker 4 I like getting my teeth clean.

Speaker 3 So what happens? You just FedEx him off and then they return him a couple days later? How does that work? Splick those out and put in the weekday set? You just have a,

Speaker 3 do they come to your house or is there a box, a drop box near you?

Speaker 3 I forgot to put them back in. Oh, yeah, make sure you're in the middle of

Speaker 3 the recording. You don't need to put those in just for an hour.
Keep up.

Speaker 4 No, I got to leave them in all the time.

Speaker 3 Abel was late getting in the car. This is this morning.
Fucking teenagers. It was part of the thing.

Speaker 3 I got into this thing because the kids, I wake them up and then they're like, no, and then I'm like, we got to go. And I know we have a record.
I can't drive to the valley.

Speaker 3 I love the way they fall back asleep. They fall back asleep.
Hey, and I'm like, what are you doing? You're going to be late for school. You're going to be late for school.

Speaker 3 And I'm not in an Uber is expensive. I'm trying to make them feel bad.
And I'm like, you got to get going. Abel goes inside.
And I'm like, what's going on? I'm like, backing out. He comes right out.

Speaker 3 And I go, what did he say to you, Judge? I had to get my rubber ridge.

Speaker 3 He's got the Invisaligns. Like, you shine him.
I had to get my rubber range because I got my new rubber ridge. And I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 What is happening? Are they dealing with the wax too? They got to put the wax over the hot spots. Archie has to do because Archie has the old school ones, and then Abe's got the Invisalign.

Speaker 3 They got to choose.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah.

Speaker 4 Mine's the same thing, but they put those permanent things on the back of your teeth that they hook onto.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So is headgear no longer a thing? Is this the new headgear? It can be. We still wear it.
It's still a thing, yeah. You have headgear as well? Oh, no, that's for a different thing.

Speaker 3 He's thinking of a different headgear. Sorry.
It's more like a ball

Speaker 3 that's attached to it. Sean, I don't want to speak.
No, no, no, no, you got it. That's right.
Okay, that's right. Is there a harness at all involved in this? But it's fun.
It's fun on the outside.

Speaker 3 It says Chicago Cubs. Like, he tries to make it kind of homie.

Speaker 3 I hurt the Cubs. Okay.

Speaker 3 It's enough because we got fancy guests. Okay.
So let's tighten it up. It's,

Speaker 3 you know, I figured since it was the 200th episode and just happened to be

Speaker 3 my turn for a guest, I figured, you know,

Speaker 3 it was 200, we need two guests, right?

Speaker 3 It's not 100. It's 200.
You need Double the power here. Way to give Sean more math.
You're killing me.

Speaker 3 What's 100?

Speaker 3 And it's not just two guests.

Speaker 3 It is a duo. This is a duo that.

Speaker 3 Chapman Teneal.

Speaker 3 Well, very close. And it's not Sonny and Cher either, but

Speaker 3 we're getting closer.

Speaker 3 And they're so fancy and they're so accomplished. There's so many awards.
There's so many credits.

Speaker 3 There's so many things that I didn't even, this is the first guest I've not written an intro for because it just would be too long, longer than this bullshit.

Speaker 3 So here they come, guys.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh. Steve Martin and Martin Short.
Shut up. Hey.

Speaker 3 Guys,

Speaker 3 right?

Speaker 3 Now, what's your music like now, Willie? It's a little bit better,

Speaker 3 it's a little bit better.

Speaker 4 This is wonderful.

Speaker 3 This is hi, everyone.

Speaker 3 It's too much. First of all, I have to just jump in.
You got to go and say, yeah, I got to go.

Speaker 3 I got to jump in and say how great it was to hear you guys try to figure out what 200 was.

Speaker 3 And the closest thing. It is 4 times 50, right? The closest thing I can come up with is that you think 200 is 208.
And I'm thinking that you ought to contact NASA and give them this new information.

Speaker 3 Well, you know, we're not trying to trick anyone to thinking we're smart. We put it right there in the title.
You know, we're smart less. Which makes me think how I get it.
Yeah. Less.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes. Oh, Marty finally gets it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 But, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 And by the way, four times 52 is like a 85.

Speaker 3 It's 80. It's in the 80s.

Speaker 3 Right. But, you know, it struck me with all the brilliant titles you guys have had, have you ever thought about doing Steve Martin Short?

Speaker 2 It's um, and I don't mean this negatively because this is gonna hurt.

Speaker 2 No, it's not gonna hurt, it's so obvious, right?

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 2 like we've been reviewed that way so many times that we expect more from our audience.

Speaker 3 Every day I get an email, hey, what about Steve Martin Short? And then I see it on any,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 Twitter thing I'm on. I get, what about that?

Speaker 3 Well, Marty should know that it's so obvious is also Jason's title of his memoir. So that's why

Speaker 3 it was taken. No,

Speaker 2 we've had many different titles. One of my favorite was Two for the Price of Three.

Speaker 3 Depending on your seat.

Speaker 3 But what about,

Speaker 3 these titles, An Evening You Will Forget for the Rest of Your Life. Jesus.
Now You See Them Soon You Won't. The Funniest Show in Town at the Moment.
You Won't Believe What They Look Like Today.

Speaker 3 And number one is Walking. Steve's new book is

Speaker 3 just for Tracy.

Speaker 3 That's what they call it. It's two years old.

Speaker 3 Is it? Why do they say new? You know, Wikipedia is just not what it used to be.

Speaker 2 Yeah, really. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 Also, your dreams are not as informative as Marty.

Speaker 4 Do you have excellent lighting or is that new work?

Speaker 2 You know what? Have you ever heard of the word combo?

Speaker 2 Marty. You must admit, I look, I, you know, I am so, I'm so angry by the press when they keep saying the word timeless.
And I think I have to live up to it on some level.

Speaker 3 The great thing about Marty is he has it all done at once. Right.

Speaker 3 The hair, the eyes, the nose, the teeth. It's true.
And you heal all at once. You heal, six weeks, and it's over.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I didn't get much from that book about Liberace, but I got a few pointers.

Speaker 3 I would say that the last time I saw Marty was at the opening of Sean, Your Play.

Speaker 3 And I was walking, I think I told this, and I was walking by the bar to go upstairs, and he was like 50 people away from me, and he yelled across everybody, why can't you have talent like that?

Speaker 3 I have to add a line from your earlier conversation about Kleenex because Lenny Bruce had a line. It's like the mother, and she goes in her son's

Speaker 3 room and picks up, she goes, oh, oh, look, Sonny blew his nose on the Playboy magazine again.

Speaker 3 Oh, is that funny?

Speaker 3 Good.

Speaker 4 Wait a minute. You know, guys, you know, Selena was on.
Selena Gomez was on our show a while ago.

Speaker 4 And she said, Steve, she brought you up, and she said that, you know, I always wonder if we're going to to keep doing more seasons. And Steve says, I want to do the show.
We're standing on the set.

Speaker 4 And Steve goes, I want to do this show forever. When do we get out of here today?

Speaker 3 Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 First of all, we pay our compliments to Selena. She's lovely to work with.
I love Selena. And, you know, she doesn't mind us.
Oh, that's Marty. But is someone else? Marty.

Speaker 3 Does he need to get the door? You're such a good. You know what?

Speaker 2 This is going to ring 10 times.

Speaker 3 It's like having a little.

Speaker 3 But it's a good location for for your audience.

Speaker 2 You know what? We should have removed it.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh. Is there a little cuckoo bird that's going to come out at the end?

Speaker 2 No, no, no, but keep talking, but just remember, it's not nine o'clock, it's 10.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 this incredible duo started with the three amigos. Yes?

Speaker 3 Is Wikipedia correct on that? Correct. Yes, mostly correct.
Now, were you aware of each other at all beforehand?

Speaker 3 Who was in a better position career-wise at that point?

Speaker 2 Who was who? Well, Steve was, remember, a major star. Yes.
And I was still in the 90s.

Speaker 3 Did you say was? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow. You've still got room to go back.
Still rolling, Marty. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 2 No, Steve, as you know, is a big, big star.

Speaker 3 There you go.

Speaker 2 And, but even then, no, I remember being aware of Steve. I met Steve quickly backstage of the new show, and he was hosting it.
Lauren's show, 84,

Speaker 2 January 84, it started. It was just one season.
And the new show was kind of the idea of SNL in primetime. And Lauren was the host, and Catherine O'Hara was on, too.
Wait a second.

Speaker 3 Lauren Michaels was the host on Canada.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no. He was executive producer.

Speaker 3 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 3 Steve was the host.

Speaker 2 Gotcha. And so Catherine O'Hara was also on the show, and we were friends with Catherine, so Nancy and I went and visited Catherine.

Speaker 2 And Steve came into his dressing room during quick change and was very friendly in that kind of icy way that is so Steve.

Speaker 3 Icy. It was friendly as far as I can go.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You maxed out. But

Speaker 3 I first met Marty

Speaker 3 at my house,

Speaker 3 and he came over to get a copy of the script for Three Amigos.

Speaker 3 Really? That's when I first met him. And I, of course, knew who he was, and I loved.

Speaker 3 Since then, you know, I learned more because I always enjoyed him, but

Speaker 3 I also watched him do specials and create new characters. And I realized that his characters are so bizarre.
They have nothing to do with humanity.

Speaker 3 They have to do with like, you know,

Speaker 3 aliens coming down and saying, hey, I think this is the way they act.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you. Right.
It's like human behavior done by somebody who's never seen humans behave. Exactly.
Right.

Speaker 3 But so was that part of the thinking, Steve?

Speaker 3 Was it, you know, this is a fella that mixed in with what I'm doing and what John would be doing, that it would be a great third element creating sort of red, blue, green.

Speaker 3 Here's exactly what I thought. I gave Marty the script and I said, now look, when you read this script

Speaker 3 and you come across Rick Moranis's name, just cross it out and write yours in. Unavailable.

Speaker 2 No, no, I was definitely the cheap amigo. I was the, you know, Carrot Top had said, let me think about it.

Speaker 4 Wait, what about, and then Chevy was what?

Speaker 2 Well, no, it was going to be Steve and Chevy. They were the,

Speaker 2 I think the original, wasn't it? It's, wasn't it John Candy?

Speaker 3 I think it was John Belushi. Yeah.
Oh, wow. I think it was John Belushi.
And

Speaker 3 And then it went to John Candy. I think you kind of know what we were going for there.
But anyway, both were unavailable. And then the name Martin Short.

Speaker 3 Martin Short came up.

Speaker 3 And after we said, you know, and after there was a pause.

Speaker 3 And then Chevy was last?

Speaker 3 No, Chevy was in.

Speaker 3 Me and Chevy were definitely in.

Speaker 2 It's actually Chevy and I, but whatever.

Speaker 4 Marty, what was that? Speaking of doing your, you know, Steve was talking about characters.

Speaker 4 I never knew, like, obviously, I was such a huge fan of SNL then and now, but your character, Jackie, somebody with the blonde or the white one.

Speaker 2 Jackie Rogers Jr.

Speaker 4 Jackie Rogers Jr. I've never known who that is or was and I just

Speaker 3 I'll tell you exactly who he was.

Speaker 2 I had done a

Speaker 3 piece on SCTV called

Speaker 2 the idea that Jackie Rogers Sr.

Speaker 2 had been killed shooting a special called Old Mother Nature, She Loves Me. and he was attacked by a cougar and killed, and it had been on the show for 11 years, and then they were going to air it.

Speaker 2 But at the end, I needed someone to pop on and say, I miss my dad. I hope you won't.

Speaker 3 Thursday's at 7.

Speaker 2 And I'd seen a picture of Mickey Rooney Jr. who looked albino.
So I made him albino.

Speaker 3 Okay, got it. So wait, Jackson, I love that you have a character backstory.

Speaker 3 Like you're Marlon Brando.

Speaker 3 What's your back?

Speaker 4 Really funny.

Speaker 3 Uncle. Wait, what was the name of the Mother Nature? What?

Speaker 2 Old Mother Nature, she loves me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there'd be a scene with me singing to a squirrel, pardon me, mish, but I never done this with a real live squirrel.

Speaker 2 But then you saw a cougar lurking, and he attacked me and killed me.

Speaker 3 Marty, tell them the title of your TV special that I love so much.

Speaker 2 I, Martin Short, Goes Hollywood.

Speaker 3 But that reminded, it reminded me of something I read years ago of this funniest book title I ever read. And then I thought, oh, I wish I had thought of that.

Speaker 3 And then I researched it, and there is no book called that. I thought maybe I did think of it, but

Speaker 3 it was a kind of a comedy

Speaker 3 biography of a fictitious actor called I a Actor.

Speaker 3 I a actor. I a actor.

Speaker 3 That is there. I don't know whose joke that was.

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Speaker 3 Was it clear to you guys doing that first project that there was going to be a long life to

Speaker 3 this friendship and

Speaker 3 this work collaboration? Or did that just kind of grow on its own?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, I think it happens when you're working together. I mean, sometimes, as we all know, you do...

Speaker 2 you know, you're in Romania with a group of people for three months and you make a film and then you never ever see them again. But with Steve, I thought, no, I want to to keep this going.

Speaker 3 Well, you know, I want to, I want to.

Speaker 2 So we would do amigoette dinners, and go ahead.

Speaker 3 Can you see me raising my hand? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I was just saying that, you know, you're right. Usually you work with somebody, then

Speaker 3 you never see them again. But in this case, we continued to work together kind of coincidentally through Father the Bride movies.
And did we do another movie together?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did. But that's not, I think, the point of what.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 3 We did Prince of Egypt. Father of the Bride, too.
Oh, Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And the scenes that were cut from Schindler's.

Speaker 3 No, it.

Speaker 3 That you were not supposed to talk about, Marty. You know you're not supposed to mention it.

Speaker 4 Just tonally. Tonally, it was not.

Speaker 3 It was a swing.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, but Steve, Steve, Father of the Bride was five years after Three Amigos. We continued to be great friends and

Speaker 3 together. Yeah.
Well, that's like you guys, you're constantly riffing off each other. It's fun.
And then when you work together, you start doing that all the time. And then you develop a kind of a,

Speaker 3 not only a kinship, but a style. And you guys had, and you guys also, right, you have a style and you have socially, you have a lot of friends, right, in common.
So you're sort of in the same circles.

Speaker 3 You're kind of in each other's orbits and on a lot of levels, right? Well, let me add something. Only Marty has friends.
Right.

Speaker 3 That's my voice. I benefit from his friends.
Yeah, that's not true. But he's very social.
Everybody wants to be with Marty. And I've told this before.

Speaker 3 I'd say, you know, if we're, for example, or if someone is plotting a dinner party in Hollywood, and you invite these people and you invite Marty, and if Marty can't come, you cancel the party.

Speaker 3 Marty is the party.

Speaker 3 Marty party.

Speaker 3 But back then, and certainly after the success of Three Amigos, you guys could have, if you wanted to, start to generate your own sort of two-hander kind of vehicles or whatever, you know, much like you guys are doing today

Speaker 3 with your live stuff.

Speaker 3 That didn't really,

Speaker 3 did you think about it? Did that start?

Speaker 2 No, you know, Steve was a massive movie star and I was just kind of there. You know, so he was, while he was doing Roxanne, I was, you know,

Speaker 2 doing the love boat reunion or something. So it wasn't always equal.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think it was, as Steve said, it just so happened that we were both cast in

Speaker 2 Father the Bride and the Father of the Bride 2 and then other things.

Speaker 2 But it wasn't until around 2011 that we were asked to interview each other on stage for the closing of the Just for Last Comedy Festival in Chicago, and that was successful, and that evolved into our live show.

Speaker 3 Oh, so that was the impetus for this whole other thing that you guys have created.

Speaker 3 But I have to add something. And Jason said, after the success of Three Amigos, dot, dot, dot, you really mean

Speaker 3 20 years after the success, the the Three Amigos, did it become a success?

Speaker 3 It was a minor success at the time, and then it had an accumulation

Speaker 3 at

Speaker 3 accrued value. And then I remember, like,

Speaker 3 you know, 10 years ago,

Speaker 3 a magazine from the UK, I think it was called Empire Magazine, they called, we want to put you, Chevy, and Marty on the cover. And I said, why?

Speaker 3 And they said, well, it's the 25th anniversary of Three Amigos. And it's a huge shit.
You mean

Speaker 3 somebody cares? I didn't think anybody even ever thought about it. Wow.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but the next year they did the cover of 25 years later from Ishtar.

Speaker 3 So it's a magazine of flops. Yeah, I see now.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 for a couple of fellas that usually, with your level of success,

Speaker 3 want to do the last thing they want to do is start bopping around the country on the frequency that you guys are staying in hotels be going up live every like it that is it's a big thing that you guys are doing all the time to massive success and and you know you could probably do a million more shows put it that way geez but i mean it's uh i just think it's it's just incredible that you guys are is this is the is it getting is it tiring are you are you sorry that you've got so much momentum built up with this and all the fans that you would disappoint if you stopped i mean you're screwed now Well, the truth is,

Speaker 3 if

Speaker 3 I enjoy working with Marty, and I think it's vice versa. So we actually enjoy it.
And all that other

Speaker 3 sitcom, you know, you get six hours a day, and you're just, you know, down the street. Well, I mean, that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 No, you know, you know, it seems like way more work than it is. It really is, because we'll do maybe four shows, and then we won't won't do it again for two weeks.
Right. Right.
And they are fun.

Speaker 2 And then we, I mean, Steve and I will then, you know, have a glass of wine afterwards and discuss the show.

Speaker 2 And everyone kind of loves each other because we have the Steep Canyon Rangers and we have Jeff Babco, my piano guy. And everyone and the stage manager, it's all become very close.
So it's fun.

Speaker 3 Yeah. There are no pricks to love.
Our max is six, maybe seven shows a month. Okay.
So it's not, you know, I couldn't do it because I got a family and

Speaker 3 I love being home. You know, you know, me too.

Speaker 4 Steve, is it true years and years ago, Steve, that you, I've always heard this, I've never, I've never had the fortunate opportunity to have one, but did you used to have cards made when people came up to you, asked for a photo or an autograph, and you would just hand me a card that said you found it?

Speaker 3 I thought it was funny. This is in the 70s when I was getting asked for a lot of autographs.

Speaker 3 And so I made up a card and it said,

Speaker 3 because I thought, what do people really want when they get an autograph? They want to say that they met you. That's the main thing.
And what was he like? Yeah. In

Speaker 3 the 12 seconds that they met you, what was he like? So I wrote, this certifies that you met me and found me warm, charming, intelligent, and funny. And then I had a printed signature on it.

Speaker 3 And then I found I'd give the cards out, thinking it was hilarious. And then they'd say, could you sign this?

Speaker 3 No way. Yeah.
So I thought, well, that's over. Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 This, when When you guys come together and you think up another show, because how many of the live tours have you guys done? It's four, five, six?

Speaker 2 Well, you mean different titles. I mean,

Speaker 2 but we keep changing the material all the time.

Speaker 3 We always...

Speaker 3 Well, in fairness,

Speaker 3 it's slowly evolving.

Speaker 3 We never throw everything out and then bring everything new in. It would be impossible.
So it just slowly evolves. Yeah, like what is that process like?

Speaker 3 Would it it be like what the process would be, I'm assuming, for stand-up, where you've got to spend a bunch of weeks or months accruing brand new material, observations, jokes, et cetera, and shape that into a set

Speaker 3 that you like.

Speaker 3 Is that the same process you guys go through? Or no, you're saying it's sort of the same core and then you just kind of update it, yeah? Yeah, we change things one line at a time.

Speaker 3 And then every once in a while, we'll come up with a new idea and

Speaker 3 we'll put it in whole. And is there a formal process when you guys will get together and write? And will you do it via Zoom? Will you just sit there? Zoom.
We'll do Zoom. Yeah.

Speaker 3 We'll do Zoom and we'll have a bunch of material in front of us.

Speaker 3 But, you know, we'll do that at the beginning of a tour if we have a lot of new material to go over. Would you guys consider doing like Google Spaces or Microsoft Teams?

Speaker 3 Oh, we've done that. I don't want to fuck with your process, your creative process.
I'm just

Speaker 3 Now, Marty, is it true, Marty, that you originally saw yourself more as a singer and an actor?

Speaker 3 And if so, at what point did you feel it was a safe pivot to go into straight-up comedy, screw the singing, screw the I'm not going to be a creator. And do you regret it?

Speaker 2 And what were you thinking? No, I think it wasn't until I joined Second City in Toronto that I started to develop characters and realized that I could improvise and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 But up until then, I thought I wanted to be Sinatra Frank Jr., oddly enough, not the father.

Speaker 3 And I wanted to.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I used to do musicals and I would do plays.

Speaker 3 But I'm sure you must have been, you must have had some comedic success in high school, right? Junior high school. Well, no, no, I was funny in the Catharines.

Speaker 3 You were killed in St. Catharines.
I heard that you would kill in Hamilton and St. Catharines.

Speaker 2 You know, the

Speaker 2 hungry lion in Hamilton. No,

Speaker 2 I grew up in a very funny family. My brother Michael has won many MmEs and awards for writing everything from SC TV to Schitt's Creek.

Speaker 2 So he was the eldest, and it was a very funny family. My father was funny.
So it was kind of natural to be funny, but I never thought of it as something I would do until later on.

Speaker 3 And as you know, Marty is an incredible singer. I mean, I listen to him on stage.
No, sorry, I listen to him on stage every night. He's never flat.
He's never sharp.

Speaker 3 And curiously, he's never on the note.

Speaker 3 But no, he's incredible. He never misses.
He has a beautiful tone.

Speaker 3 Is he a better singer than you are a banjo player?

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Is he? That's high praise because you know what you're doing on that thing, right?

Speaker 2 Well, oh, Steve's good.

Speaker 3 I do in a way.

Speaker 3 There could be some Grammys there.

Speaker 2 In fact, whenever Steve plays the banjo.

Speaker 3 I've won Grammys playing the banjo.

Speaker 2 You've won many Grammys, Steve, haven't you?

Speaker 3 Playing the banjo. Hell, yeah.

Speaker 2 Whenever Steve plays the banjo, I like to just close my eyes and pretend I'm on hold with Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 3 Do you guys do a bit of a singing/slash banjo-playing piece in the live shows?

Speaker 3 We don't actually sing and play together. We do some songs, but we use piano and we use our orchestra, but we don't have a banjo number.

Speaker 4 Jason, have you not seen it?

Speaker 3 No, I've never been in the shower.

Speaker 4 It's so good. It's so funny and so

Speaker 3 with the show?

Speaker 3 I haven't seen it either. I've been busy.
I've been in my defense. I'm very busy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know you've mentioned, I hear,

Speaker 2 I listen to Smartless all the time, and I always hear, you've said many times, I'm busy. I'm very busy yesterday.

Speaker 3 I'm just not sure at what.

Speaker 2 In what country?

Speaker 3 Wait, wait. Steve, I want to ask you, actually, you mentioned Grammys, and you've won Grammys for your banjo playing, but you've also won many Grammys for stand-up

Speaker 3 over the years. And

Speaker 3 do you,

Speaker 3 I don't know if you do any stand-up anymore at all, ever?

Speaker 3 The only stand-up I do is in our show. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I call it stand-up with Marty, but

Speaker 3 we each have a section in our show, and I just sort of do monologue jokes and

Speaker 3 introduce a song on the banjo and play it. But I love doing it.

Speaker 3 And it took me

Speaker 3 as long,

Speaker 3 as much time to work out that 10 minutes as it used to take to work out 10 minutes.

Speaker 3 You know, you realize you're three years into this, and you've got one little area that's weak, and you're trying to fix it. And now it's feeling really good now that it's old and overexposed.

Speaker 3 Is there,

Speaker 3 what is the oldest joke that you still include in your in your set? Like the one that just never fails. It goes all the way back to Carson, perhaps, you know, appearances there.
No, anything?

Speaker 3 I don't. I don't.
No. I mean, there's jokes that, you know, for example, when we did our Netflix special, then we really started trying to change things out.

Speaker 3 And then three years later, we're talking, we're going, you know what, I missed that one joke. Right.
Blah, blah, blah. And then we would put it back in and then no one knew or cared.

Speaker 3 Marty, you're famous for really loving preparing

Speaker 3 very deeply for

Speaker 3 talk show appearances. I thought you were going to say, Marty, you're famous for using the same old joke.

Speaker 3 Which one is your favorite?

Speaker 3 Which one of the things? How is it to deeply prepare using old material?

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 you enjoy, did I hear this right, that you enjoy preparing for talk show appearances, whereas some of us...

Speaker 2 Well, I just have a philosophy about it. I mean, I just kind of, it's like it's work and you've got to prepare.
I just don't want to go out and fail and feel it was my fault.

Speaker 2 So if I send in, you know, 15 pages and then I go out with Kimmel or Letterman or Fallon, whoever, and they're off, or I'm a little off.

Speaker 2 But if I go out gunning for bear, I feel like whatever happens, I can still toast myself because I did everything I could do.

Speaker 4 I feel the exact same way.

Speaker 4 How's it going today for you? Did you prepare it today?

Speaker 2 I did, and none of it is working.

Speaker 3 You should toast yourself because you did your best. You should toast yourself.

Speaker 2 You know what I should? I should. I mean, I got the lighting.

Speaker 3 Again, to start the portion of the interview, hashtag relatable,

Speaker 3 talking about talk show appearances,

Speaker 3 I find that I start to feel sad and like I'm losing my soul as I start to like the two weeks before the talk show appearance, I start to really try to log things in my life oh this would be good to talk about or this would be good and they're like deeply personal

Speaker 3 cute moments like with your children or whatever and you think well fuck what why am I logging this for a talk show I should be

Speaker 3 I should save it for a TV no no but it works out because

Speaker 2 no really you're working you're working you're feeling you're you're losing your soul you feel sad and depressed and then when you do it that's what the audience feels so it's it's a fun

Speaker 3 journey

Speaker 3 You transferred to the audience. Yes.
I'm not sure what you mean. You mean you feel like you're giving away your private life to do a talk show anecdote?

Speaker 3 No, I feel like I should be more present in my moment with my children or whatever instead of thinking, oh, this is funny what she's doing. I'm going to talk to Kimmel about this.
Like, that's just.

Speaker 3 No, you're doing the right thing. You're doing the right thing.
Useable.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but don't you, it's interesting, Marty.

Speaker 4 We've talked about this before, where people don't realize those kinds of on-camera interviews on those talk shows are kind of performances. And it's like

Speaker 4 we've all seen them and all witnessed them, so we know what the good ones look like.

Speaker 3 Every single person in show business. So don't you want to talk about it?

Speaker 2 The first talk show I ever did was in 1982 on Letterman. And I kept thinking, what do I do? Same thing you're saying, Jason.
What do I talk about? What do I think about?

Speaker 2 And then I realized, oh, I get it.

Speaker 2 It's like...

Speaker 2 being at a dinner party where everyone's had some drinks and you're kind of on and telling stories, but somehow you have to lift that six minutes because you don't have the hour and a half ramp or the booze.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know what I can't stand, though, is when people go on who are funny, like considered funny people in the business, and they just like to talk about something serious.

Speaker 4 And people at home are judging them and they go, Oh, I saw them on Letterman or Fallon or whatever, or Kimmel. They're not that funny.
They're not the best funny.

Speaker 4 Yet, a dramatic actor goes on and says one funny thing. People at home go, and they can do comedy.
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I used to really resent them. They're so bitter.
Yeah, I know. I used when I was

Speaker 3 young and dumb and really super duper full of myself, I used to think, oh, I, you know, I'm going on this talk show. Like, they're lucky to have me.
I don't have to prepare anything. Fuck that.

Speaker 3 You know, and they're not paying me to write. And of course, you know, the appearances were terrible.
And I would see them and I was just like, oh, my God, you, you punk.

Speaker 3 And then, as I got older and wiser, as we all do, then you start really working on stuff. And that pre-interview with the producer for Tracy,

Speaker 3 a a lot of this stuff is talked about beforehand so that there is a cohesive six minutes where you're going to get to a few questions.

Speaker 3 And not that the answers are prepared, but you've got sort of an angle that might be entertaining for the audience.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 2 all the hosts vary. I mean,

Speaker 2 you know, some of them go.

Speaker 2 But when I would do Letterman, I swear he would hit.

Speaker 2 one quarter of what I'd prepared. Right.
One time he said,

Speaker 2 tell the Tony Randall story. And I said,

Speaker 2 I was on two months ago and told the Tony Randall story, Dave.

Speaker 3 He said, I don't care.

Speaker 2 Tell it again.

Speaker 3 I have a secret fantasy,

Speaker 3 which is to go on a talk show totally unprepared and just to see what happens.

Speaker 3 But you could do that. And you could do, and there are certain hosts that could definitely do that and not need the, because sometimes the notes are really almost there more for them.

Speaker 3 Right. You know, and it's, but a lot of them, like Kimmel, for instance, like you just go on there and you can just go right off the questions.
You sit down, how are you doing? Great.

Speaker 3 And you guys are just both riffing and you're having a conversation like we're having. I mean, we're barely prepared.
I'm certainly barely prepared. What's my next question here?

Speaker 4 I want to talk about only murders. Did you guys, when you, first of all, we share our mutual friend John Hoffman, who I love.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 4 The bright, always cheery, always sweet, always kind.

Speaker 3 Would kill him. And then he stabs you in the back.

Speaker 4 Did you guys know when you were developing it together? Not of, I hate that question. Did you know it was going to work?

Speaker 4 But did you have a sense that with the writing and you guys and like the first table reads and the first kind of days of shooting, like, yeah, this is, we have something here?

Speaker 4 Or were you still kind of unsure until the season was wrapped?

Speaker 3 Didn't know a thing. Didn't know a thing.
You just, you just write it according to the premise. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then when it started to hit the air, the air, and you started to get back word that, by the way, it's the biggest debut that ever and, you know, that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 but I don't know how accurate that is. That's huge.
And that's when you start to get excited, but you don't change anything because of that. You just, oh, and

Speaker 3 then even a year and a half later, you start to go, what is this? Yeah. Right.
Yeah.

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Speaker 3 Now, there's word that you guys are going to be going to Los Angeles with it. Is the whole show switching to Los Angeles or no?

Speaker 3 Well, that's one of those news stories because we're shooting two days in Los Angeles

Speaker 3 that it's mistaken for, they're moving to the entire season, you know.

Speaker 2 No, it's just, it's like a location shoot.

Speaker 3 I gotcha. But it is shot in New York.
Right. Yes.
Do you both live in New York?

Speaker 2 Steve lives in New York. I rent in New York.

Speaker 3 But you rent while we're shooting. You don't live in New York.
That is Gregson. That is Grex, sir.

Speaker 3 Would you guys like for it to be shot in Los Angeles 100% of the time? That was my, you know, when I had the idea for the show, I pitched it to them, to the producers, Dan Fogelman and Jess Rosenthal,

Speaker 3 based on not, I wasn't even in it. I said, I think this is a good idea.
And we liked it. And then they called me and said, would you do it? And I said, well, I can't.

Speaker 3 I could only do it if it's shot in New York. Right.
And then that's what,

Speaker 3 you know, that's why it was shot. And also, it's a New York show, which makes sense.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's great that it's shot in New York.
It feels 100% like a New York show.

Speaker 4 And you just added Molly Shannon, I read.

Speaker 2 Molly Shannon, yes.

Speaker 3 That's super fun. You have a great cast.

Speaker 3 So fantastic.

Speaker 3 And that's what, when we get somebody that we can, you know, like we worked with Matthew Broderick, and it was, it was like

Speaker 3 so easy. And the comedy is so good.

Speaker 3 It's like you've worked together all, you know, your whole lives.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Matthew's great.

Speaker 3 I love him.

Speaker 3 But talk about an out-of-the-box piece of casting with Selena Gomez just obviously seems incredibly genius now. But like

Speaker 3 the two of you with her is so unexpected. How did that come about?

Speaker 3 It came about after the fact

Speaker 3 because I had originally pitched it as three older people who have a lot of time on their hands.

Speaker 3 And, you know, we were busy. And then, and then I think that the studio suggested, what about Selena, actually? What about Selena?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 we met her on Zoom, and they actually cast her. And we met her on Zoom, and Marty and I, after the Zoom, we called each other, go, she's perfect.
Yeah. Wow, she's so sweet.

Speaker 2 Well, I still wasn't sure. I was saying, okay, maybe a female, but what about Kathy Lee Gifford?

Speaker 3 She's a local hymn. I've always been a champion of her.

Speaker 3 You pull out names from

Speaker 3 an old hat.

Speaker 4 From the Harry Potter sorting hat.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 talk about another thing that you would think would be unexpected.

Speaker 3 Steve, you've lived

Speaker 3 a very private life. It's very, very cool, very mysterious.
I love that about you.

Speaker 3 You don't seek attention, Marty.

Speaker 3 And yet you've got this.

Speaker 3 But there's this documentary coming out that is covering you from soup to nuts or already out.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 was that pulling teeth to get you to be a participant? Morgan Neville as a director would probably a huge draw for you. But

Speaker 3 Morgan Neville. I'm so glad.
What's it called? It's called Steve Exclamation Point. Okay.
Yeah, Steve Exclamation Point. And

Speaker 3 I got a call from Morgan Neville about this documentary. And

Speaker 3 his credits are Won't You Be My Neighbor and 20 Feet from Stardom. Yeah.
So many, you know, and he did a thing called Cool School.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I met him, we got along. And, you know, when you do a documentary, you have to open up, first of all, your archives, which I happen to have.

Speaker 3 They told me, he said, you have a lot of archives. And I didn't realize I had a lot of archives.

Speaker 3 So they went, prowled through my archives for months and months and months and found things that they found like an old sock. A photo.
Pardon me.

Speaker 3 A photo of an old sock. Get the photo, not the sock.

Speaker 4 I love, too, that you didn't know you had archives. You were just like, who was saving them?

Speaker 3 It was a cherished sock. Anyway,

Speaker 3 they found a photo of my father in Germany in 1943 doing a USO show. Oh, thank God.

Speaker 3 That could have gone a different direction.

Speaker 3 That could have gone a different direction.

Speaker 3 Wait, Steve, Steve, let me ask you,

Speaker 3 did you have,

Speaker 3 did your, did you start archiving years ago, hire one of these people to do that together? I did not archive. I saved things.

Speaker 3 And I realized later, you know, I would take things like, oh, I'm on a magazine cover. I'll save it.
And I'd throw it in a thing.

Speaker 3 I was saving all the wrong stuff.

Speaker 3 I should have saved photos, which, you know, photos were hard to come by then. You just didn't snap it.
You had the photo, send it in, and I think it was, you know, change film, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 So, but when I wrote my autobiography, I did have one little plastic box where I just threw things in, and that had

Speaker 3 things like a receipt from a hotel in Salt Salt Lake City in 1971. So you knew where you were at that date.
And you could research it. You remember her name, though.

Speaker 3 It was like archaeological because you could, as it went down, you would

Speaker 3 go past time, go through time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Speaking about receipts, I went to the, when Marty's biography came out,

Speaker 4 he didn't send me one, so I went to the bookstore, bought it, and while I was at the cash register, put the book and the receipt, took a photo of it, emailed him, and said, that's okay, I got it.

Speaker 3 Very good.

Speaker 3 By the way,

Speaker 3 you can buy Marty's book on Amazon. Yeah.
I mean, you won't. But

Speaker 3 if you needed it,

Speaker 3 it's there.

Speaker 3 Marty, what a biography.

Speaker 4 What about a documentary biography for you?

Speaker 3 Like a documentary. You can't make his deal.

Speaker 2 No, there's going to be one.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Lawrence Kasden, the legendary director, is doing it for Imagine.

Speaker 3 Really? Wow. Great.
When does that?

Speaker 4 Have you been shooting it?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. It's that they're just, again, accumulating stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, that's going to take years.

Speaker 3 They're making the final decision on who it's about. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They're trying to decide the ending. Yeah.

Speaker 4 How long are you in town, Marty?

Speaker 4 Are you in

Speaker 2 I go to New York

Speaker 2 in about two weeks for you know we start shooting.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 4 And is it, is it that, are you in the middle of production?

Speaker 3 We don't start shooting for two weeks. Yeah.

Speaker 4 A new season, I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll start, we'll shoot a couple days in L.A.
and then the bulk of it in New York.

Speaker 3 Okay, gotcha. And how are you guys enjoying that, the process of being, you know, locked onto a show that lasts? I mean, how long is your season to shoot?

Speaker 2 Four or five months? Four months, months? Yeah, four.

Speaker 3 It's about four months, and I actually love it.

Speaker 3 You know, the studio is 20 minutes from my house. Yeah, and I also, you're working with two other co-stars.
Yeah, and so you're not shooting every day. And when we work together, it's really fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I would say that it is definitely Steve's philosophy, my philosophy, and it turned out luckily Selena's philosophy to make the set as much fun and joyful as it can be.

Speaker 2 So there are no pricks allowed. And so it's fun to go to work.

Speaker 3 It's just stunning, right, how people don't enforce that rule commonly on a set because the hours that you work, the cast and the crew, are often many more hours than you spend with your family.

Speaker 3 So why would you tolerate anything short of a family dynamic on a set?

Speaker 3 JB, you've always been good about that. You're a crew guy and you've always had that rule.

Speaker 3 No pricks on set but me and you've, you've adhered to it, you've stuck by it, and you've always, you've never deviated. And there's the only one

Speaker 4 I've said this on the podcast before, but any job I get the very first day I say out loud to everybody is if you look around and you can't find out who the asshole is, it's probably you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's true. Well, you guys have been very, very nice to help us celebrate.
200.

Speaker 3 This is a very significant book. What a thrill.
If we added up our ages, it'd probably be around that.

Speaker 4 What a thrill.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It becomes.

Speaker 2 I worked with Jason in 2004, you know. And what? And Will.

Speaker 3 Oh, unarrested. Yeah.
Unarrested. Unarrested fellow.
I've never heard.

Speaker 3 Played a character, a rich fella that had lost the use of his legs with a weightlifting accident. And he was so wealthy that he

Speaker 3 and hated wheelchairs. He hired a big meathead, a big

Speaker 3 heavy fella to carry him around like a little baby. And

Speaker 3 Marty would bark directions at him, you know. Shoot me.
Yeah, shoot me. Take me this way to the nuts.

Speaker 3 And he'd have to dip him down to grab a handful of nuts.

Speaker 3 They did a flashback of the actual accident where he's lifting up a barbell, he puts it over his head, and he just says, too much, and then his legs snapped underneath him.

Speaker 3 And then we cut back to the present time.

Speaker 2 No, but the funniest joke of that, though, was when I'm being carried by Dragon, his name was, and I'll say,

Speaker 3 to the nuts, to the nuts.

Speaker 2 And he puts me at Jason's crotch.

Speaker 2 And against his crotch, I'm going, Bridge Mix!

Speaker 3 I want Bridge Mix.

Speaker 3 Where did Mitch, was that your joke or was it Mitch's? Mitch, the great Mitch Hurwitz.

Speaker 2 It must be Mitch's, yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God, the crap he'd come up with. The great Mitch Hurwitz.

Speaker 4 I remember doing Mayan Marty, the Mayan Marty show with Marty, you, and we were rehearsing something in the hallway, and I said, should we just like,

Speaker 4 should we just kiss after that line?

Speaker 3 He said, yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 3 And he goes, let's rehearse it. And you just grab me and kiss me.
There we go. Oh, he uses that a lot.
Love that.

Speaker 2 Then I had to give you one note. I just said, you know, it's a comedic kiss.
We don't need the tongue.

Speaker 3 It was great.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, there's times in your

Speaker 4 life

Speaker 4 where you get to meet the people that inspired you.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 3 that moment has not come yet.

Speaker 4 And you guys

Speaker 3 are

Speaker 4 the two reasons you got into this business.

Speaker 3 I was literally going to tease you. I was going to joke and say, don't you start crying.
You're literally crying. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because a lot of the times you don't have these moments.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I hear you. We're very, very fortunate.
I'm with you. I'm with you.
We're getting to meet some real heroes on this show. Hands down.

Speaker 4 These two are the two reasons.

Speaker 3 You're serious, aren't you? He is deadly serious. He's very soft and chewy on the inside.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Sean.

Speaker 3 No, you guys are incredible and incredibly generous to say yes to doing this today. So thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
I love your show.

Speaker 3 I love your, when you're joking around this, it just feels like you're with three friends, you know? Not you guys, but

Speaker 3 I'm sure you guys enjoy working together all these years. We certainly feel that way.

Speaker 2 And I remember I was on one of the early shows, and you didn't even have a title yet.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 2 And I suggested the Maguire sisters.

Speaker 3 You did.

Speaker 3 Didn't clear. Didn't clear.
We got so close. We got so close.

Speaker 4 Sorry for getting choked up there, but I meant it.

Speaker 3 No, it's so. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Sean. That's why you are so lovely because you are 100% human being.

Speaker 3 Well, thanks. Likewise.
And he's got great taste. Yeah.
You guys are the best. Thanks, you guys.
You guys are the best. It is such a thrill for us.

Speaker 3 Thank you for having us. Thank you guys.
I loved it. Yeah.
And I'll get the address, give you the address for the check. This will never air.
This will never air, by the the way. This will never air.

Speaker 3 It can't. No, it can't.
There's nothing usable.

Speaker 3 You guys. We'll punch it up later.
The great Mark Short and Steve Martin. My gosh, thank you guys for doing our 200th episode.
What an

Speaker 2 brilliant show. Love, have heard everyone.
Love your show.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Bye-bye.
I love you. Bye, guys.
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Bye-bye.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to say this. I was at this

Speaker 4 dinner at our friend Ted's house.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he had about 30 or 40 of the funniest people in this business. And I was fortunate enough to be there.

Speaker 4 And Dave Chappelle stands up and he gives this incredible speech about how everybody in that room

Speaker 4 means something to him and has meant something to him. And it was just incredible.
I was blown away by his speech. And I thought, good on him for making that speech in the moment while it's happening.

Speaker 4 And so I had this conversation with myself. I'm like, do I say it? Do I say it? Do I wait till we're done and I say it to you guys?

Speaker 4 And I was like, no, embrace the fear of saying that, the thing that you feel in front of the people you want to say it to. Of course.
And so I seized the moment.

Speaker 3 It's just so lovely. And I guarantee you that just drilled them right in their heart.
And it probably meant the world to them.

Speaker 3 I guarantee you

Speaker 3 they feel at least half of that going back to you. Yeah, and you know what, I will say this.

Speaker 3 I will say this, too, is, and I'm with you, that those two guys have had, or two people that I, I, as well, have, as a sort of comedic actor, if you will.

Speaker 3 I don't consider myself a comedian, but as a performer, two guys that I look up to as being at the sort of the pinnacle, again, gold standards of people that I think are funny, who have created funny things over the funny characters from the game.

Speaker 3 For years, who have been relevant at the top of their game forever.

Speaker 3 And so the the idea that I'm in a conversation with them, that they're doing our podcast, to me is not, the novelty of that has not rubbed off. Right.
And I hope it never does, right?

Speaker 4 And I never want to, right.

Speaker 4 And I never want to get to, ever get to a place in my life where I don't recognize things like that and I take them for granted because we've all been in this business for fucking 100 years.

Speaker 4 And you don't want to just pass moments by where you're like, oh, yeah, they're so-and-so or they're so-and-so. It's like, you know them.
And it just takes a beat to go, wow, how did I get here?

Speaker 3 And those two guys.

Speaker 3 As soon as the novelty wears off, you stop enjoying and appreciating

Speaker 3 how fortunate you are. I still remember, I think I was like, I don't know, 13 or 14 or something.
And I'd been going for a couple of years. And

Speaker 3 one of my, one of my buddies at school said, well, what's the most famous person you've ever met? And I forget what I said, but I remember there was

Speaker 3 like one person, you know, that, that, that I thought, well, this, this would be a great answer. I I still remember that like it was yesterday.

Speaker 3 And I think about it all the time on this show because we are so fortunate to be able to talk to people at the zenith of this business. And I feel, I mean, my pits are sweating right now.

Speaker 3 They sweat every time we record this show because we're talking to someone that I don't feel like I really have a right to have on my show, our show.

Speaker 3 Like, what am I doing hosting a show that they would be a guest on? It's just bizarre to me. JB, I played this thing yesterday, you know, that thing that you could be at.

Speaker 3 And one of the guys I played with said to me, he said, oh man, that Bono, when you guys had Bono on last year, and he knows Bono, he's like, that was such a great interview.

Speaker 3 And Bono had such a great time and he really felt really comfortable with you guys. And he really had such a great experience.

Speaker 3 And I'm thinking, like, Bono told you that about hanging out with us fucking morons?

Speaker 3 Like, what? Yeah. Well,

Speaker 3 none of this is is lost on on us clearly and no and then it's we're lucky we're we're we're fortunate we're not lucky but we're really fortunate and we i yes as much joking as we do about our lives and all that kind of stuff that

Speaker 3 that we get to do it that we get the opportunities to do it and that we do it together yes and now that we're talking about all this stuff on another level that we get to do it together and that i admire you guys and love you guys just like i did them you know it's really cool how those yeah then then that those two guys we were talking about it they

Speaker 3 that's why they're bopping around together because they just love being with one another and just like you know we love being together and how this whole thing started it's so it's so funny you know doing this thing and and and you know we do it

Speaker 3 together and and people have opinions on it and opinions on our relationships and people come up to us and say stuff and whatever and it's odd right it's it's very kind of revealing sometimes it was part of it that i never expected which one's the best which one's

Speaker 3 the funniest. No, but they talk about like what we do.

Speaker 3 And it's very, it's exposing in a way, right? In a way that I didn't anticipate before

Speaker 3 about being so open. And I feel very lucky, like you were saying, Sean, that I get to do it with you guys.
I feel very safe doing it with you guys. And I love you guys a lot.

Speaker 3 And we, like anybody, we have moments that are tough as well. And we do stuff.
And because we're friends and we're in business together, and we do stuff.

Speaker 3 But as you know, we are, I think of you guys as

Speaker 3 my for real brothers and friends, and I love you guys a lot. I love you, and that we're doing this 200th episode.
It's fucking crazy, right? It is crazy, it's fucking crazy, dude.

Speaker 3 The other cool thing is that while we do hang out with each other away from this,

Speaker 3 this is

Speaker 3 not 50%, but it's say 35% of the the time we spend with one another. And we shared this relationship basically.
We share 35% of our friendship with the people who are listening. So

Speaker 3 thank you guys for listening again.

Speaker 3 And thank you for being a part of whatever this three-headed beast is.

Speaker 3 You see and you live with us 35%

Speaker 3 of our friendship,

Speaker 3 which is kind of cool.

Speaker 4 Spin a podcast called 35%.

Speaker 4 Willie, you started this podcast today kind of down. How do you feel now?

Speaker 5 I feel a lot better now.

Speaker 3 Good.

Speaker 3 It always works.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It always does work.
It always works.

Speaker 4 It's wild. I'll fucking show up with the right attitude next time.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I'm going to show up as me every time. It's true.
Wherever I am.

Speaker 3 I don't try to flip a switch at all, right? We just open up the computer and away we go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're at where you're at.

Speaker 3 And it's true, like I even said, I anticipated that you start here and you can always end up up here always right and that any day any given day doesn't have to be a bad day or a good day it can have lots of different things on every day and that's just the color of life yeah you you know people come and go you say hello you say yeah

Speaker 3 you say goodbye

Speaker 3 boy I wish we had some of those recommendations for buys right now right now Will are you trying to Google one right now?

Speaker 3 We went to, we went before, we were just gonna say a buy, like a I feel like there's something we could do, like in a bicentennial type of thing because it's 200 years. Let's do it, Jay.

Speaker 3 It's our bicentennial. Do it.
It is our bi. So it's our.
This is happy, uh, happy buy

Speaker 3 centennial.

Speaker 3 By is it really bicentennial? Yes, smart.

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