"Jake Gyllenhaal"

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Speaker 1 Hi, I'm here. I'm here in the room.

Speaker 1 I'm just being as quiet as I can.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited to be on the show. So excited.
Oh my God. Welcome to Smartlist.
Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

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Speaker 1 So Will's got a different background because he's out of the country. Specifically,

Speaker 1 our northern brother or sister. Yeah.
We may have talked about this before, but when you go home, do you sleep in this year old

Speaker 1 room? I sleep with my parents.

Speaker 1 Because I always gave me comfort to get in between them.

Speaker 1 Mommy, daddy, cuddles.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I don't stay here. I'm not, I don't stay here.
Sad old me.

Speaker 1 Could you ever live there again?

Speaker 1 In Toronto? Yeah. Yeah.
By the way, I could. Well, do you have a second piece of gum you could put in your mouth for the record just to get it in stereo?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 That'd be great. Let's go ahead and thank you.
So we're recording now, you're saying. Yeah, it's an audio medium.
It is an audio. Okay, got it.

Speaker 1 I, you know, Toronto is very, it's a great city, and I could live here. And there's so much stuff I love about it.
The problem is it's very gray from like November to

Speaker 1 Chicago. It's basically Chicago.

Speaker 1 I think it's grayer.

Speaker 1 I think think you get more gray days it's just where it sits between the great lakes etc we don't want to get into ontario weather patterns but it is gray otherwise it's awesome so you think that that would make you somewhat blue kind of like what people talk about in england and stuff like that i i don't yeah i think i think i i like it yeah i do too i think it's cozy cozy right but you know in england it rains and stuff but you do get sunny days toront it's not even that it gets a lot of rain it's that it gets a lot of cloud cover uh specifically and

Speaker 1 I think at a certain point you just yeah you know it's reminding me once I had this dream

Speaker 1 you do have the maple leaves there though so doesn't that offset it a bit I do have the maple leaves here I'm really excited you're in town for some hockey right yeah I'm in town yeah this is going to come out way after but I'm in town for the all-star game

Speaker 1 I had a great night dinner last night with some of the boys from that from a hockey podcast called spit and chicklets sure is that right

Speaker 1 oh yeah with with biz and uh ryan whitney and the boys and all right on Oh, yeah. Scooting chicklets.
And it was so super fun, interesting, dudes. Really, really funny.
We had a lot of big laughs.

Speaker 1 That's fun.

Speaker 1 Well, that's going to be fun for you taking part in that all-star weekend, right? Aren't you managing a team with Conor McDavid? I am.

Speaker 1 I'm like the celebrity co-captain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Guys, I can't wait to talk to our guest today. I can't wait for you to talk to our guest today.
He's considered one of the greatest actors in the generation. Way to shoehorn that in, Sean.
I can't.

Speaker 1 Listener, he's holding up a shoehorn. Okay.
Don't worry. My dad's got two on his desk.
Smell them.

Speaker 1 Why do you?

Speaker 1 By the way. Sorry, I'm sorry.
I cut it. Why do you have those? Can't you just use your finger? How many times have you said that? Ask my dad.
I'll get my dad in here. He's got two.

Speaker 1 All right. Sorry.
Sorry, guess. Here we go.
Listen.

Speaker 1 I'm not trying to highlight whatever his stuff is on his desk. Nice.
Guys, hold up a highlighter.

Speaker 1 I've turned up a carry.

Speaker 1 He's so giddy that he's at home. He turns small.
I know. He just feels comfortable.
That's it. He's still holding his teddy bear.
I do. Anyway, here we go.

Speaker 1 Let's not keep him waiting any longer.

Speaker 1 He's very busy, and he's a huge major global star. And don't worry, he's much younger than us.

Speaker 1 He's not just a Hollywood royal, but he legitimately comes from, and I did not know this, real Swedish nobility. It's true.
Oh, whoa, Will. A man of many talents.
He's fluent in French, like Will.

Speaker 1 He's musically inclined like me and loves to cook, not like Jason.

Speaker 1 He even made an appearance once making pasta with Mario Batali on on Food Network's Multi Mario. It's my favorite, just on screen, homosexual.
The brilliant Jake Chillenhall.

Speaker 1 Jake Chillenhall.

Speaker 1 Hello, Jake.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's been a long time. Jakela Chillenhall.

Speaker 1 There he is. You have the whole name.

Speaker 1 I don't know if. Is it really?

Speaker 1 Is Jacula the long version? It's Jacula. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 Count Jacula. Count Jacul.
You know, Jake, you probably heard this before, but I have so much trouble spelling your name that in the Google search, I just put G-Y and it comes up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, we got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's easy like that.

Speaker 1 Well, Jake, wait, are you still, do we still live near each other? Where are you at?

Speaker 1 We don't. I mean, I moved to New York.
Ah, you lucky man. Oh, you lucky man.

Speaker 1 Didn't we go up? What was the name of that dog? Runyon? Yeah, we go. Jake is a world-class bicyclist.
Are you really? Which comes as no surprise to anyone who's seen his silhouette. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you guys known each other because you both grew up here? And no, how did we get to know one another? I mean, we live, we did live near one another. We had some mutual friends.

Speaker 1 We hung out for a bit. We did some bike riding for a bit.
And then I gassed. Jake kept going.
And I think I might. You're one of the best descenders that I've ever.

Speaker 1 I could get into a tuck like you.

Speaker 1 That is the world's greatest back-ended compliment I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 Nobody goes down a hill like you.

Speaker 1 There are circles where that's a very positive thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're not in one. That's really funny.

Speaker 1 Now, if you're in New York. I will never forget that.
I will never forget that.

Speaker 1 Are you able to bike in New York? No, there's not as many bike riding opportunities, right? You're doing something different. Yeah, I mean.
Everybody bikes in New York.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can ride bikes in New York. You can ride along West Ed Highway and then up West Ed Highway pretty far to bike.

Speaker 1 I'd be scared too, though, because of the traffic and people. And the conholes, right? Their roads are all torn to shit.

Speaker 1 I always rode my bike. That's how we go around.
No, but not these kinds of bikes. These kinds of bikes are like, you know,

Speaker 1 I rode sports car-level performance tires and you go over one little bump and they'll pop.

Speaker 1 Well, there's sometimes where like we would, my friends, we'd go in the Central Park, right? And then you take the Westside Highway, and then you'd have to cut in.

Speaker 1 And when you cut in, that's when you have to deal with about probably, I don't know, 15 blocks of pretty heavy traffic because it's the center of Manhattan.

Speaker 1 And then you get into Central Park and you do the loops. It's still crazy there, too, because depending on the time, there's all these people walking, crossing, and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people try bicycles and wagons.

Speaker 1 Even on the weekend, yeah, when they shut down the roads and stuff, you got like a million ding-dongs, and everybody's like tripping on acid for the first time in their life.

Speaker 1 And they're like, let's go trip on acid in Central Park.

Speaker 1 That's where I did it. I'd give anything to hang out with a million ding-dongs.
Yeah. I know you would.

Speaker 1 Oh, Sean Laz. It's like a ball pit.
Sean, if you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. If you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be? Spaghetti.
This is the great descender. Spaghetti.
Spaghetti.

Speaker 1 Old snacky descender wants to know what you fill your ball pit with.

Speaker 1 What, what, Jake, what I was going to ask you was, because we're talking about cycling like high-level, like not just, yeah, I used to ride my bike, but I...

Speaker 1 like had a beat up piece of shit and not doing it for like necessarily to get in shape.

Speaker 1 And it occurs to me, obviously, I've seen so many promos for your new movie where you look like you're gonna beat the whole world up uh roadhouse and it's unbelievable amazing it's unbelievable and you're missing it's not the first time he's been

Speaker 1 well this is what i'm saying

Speaker 1 i've seen i've seen you in shape before in other things i'm all and every time i have like nothing but envy i'm like this motherfucker looks so good

Speaker 1 and then what it occurs to me is like have you and now we're talking about cycling have you always been into fitness your whole life forget getting in shape for the movie and being a super ripped fighter and crazy have you always been into exercising, staying mobile, playing sports, doing that shit?

Speaker 1 Yeah, always. I mean, my dad, really? Yeah, my dad was super athletic.
He still is.

Speaker 1 He would wake me up in the morning doing yoga in front of my bed. Oh, boy.
And then he'd be like, then he'd be like, let's go for a run.

Speaker 1 Hey, dad, can you turn the down dog just 180 for me when I get up, please?

Speaker 1 I don't want to be bulldog, right? When I get out of bed.

Speaker 1 Bulldog.

Speaker 1 It's a technique of waking one up. Yeah.
But like, it was definitely, it was like, it was

Speaker 1 like a or no. It was always perpendicular.
Let's just, it was never just that way.

Speaker 1 He's a kind guy. I didn't have a lot of space in the front of the bed, front of my room as growing up.
So he, he used what he had.

Speaker 1 But he, he, he would wake me up and we would run, and he was always very physical.

Speaker 1 And he always sort of would, like, I remember we'd do like maybe a mile and a half run when I was a kid, and he was always so encouraging.

Speaker 1 And then by the time we got to the end of the last block, he would always be like, you got it.

Speaker 1 This hurts me. You got to run.
You got to sprint. Like, sprint this last block.
And we'd run. And then we'd run up the driveway.
Remember the driveway, we'd just like, I'd be dying.

Speaker 1 He'd be like, go, go, go. He'd always let me win.
And so

Speaker 1 interesting. Yeah.
We have this about it, Sean. I guess Sean's dad was really good at running, too.

Speaker 1 He'd just try to do it before Sean got up and it would be in a car.

Speaker 1 It was just one direction. It was just one direction.

Speaker 1 It would be descending. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He'd call

Speaker 1 running away. Sorry, running away.
No, that's interesting. I used to run with my dad every single morning, too.
And then I got you really? Yeah, that he'd wake me up every single morning.

Speaker 1 And then I got old enough where I- You're an old kid? Yeah. And I'd start to sort of like complain when he'd wake me up and start to say, No, I'm going to sleep in this morning.

Speaker 1 And I was old enough where he'd say, Well, all right, goodbye. And then so it stopped for a while.
But then, like everything you learn from your parents, you end up revisiting it and absorbing it

Speaker 1 when you're older. Like now, I run every day and I listen to classical music every day.
and I'm

Speaker 1 becoming my father, which is so interesting. You know, my brother, my oldest brother, because I just wanted to say that.
Which is the opposite of interesting.

Speaker 1 I was going to actually say that's sort of like a preface to what I was going to say, but then I just stopped and then it stopped. I was like, oh, that sounded like

Speaker 1 I was definitely not interesting.

Speaker 1 I got the boring handle. I got the interesting.
Because I was going to say it's interesting because my dad loves classical music and likes to exercise too. So there you go.
We should hook them up.

Speaker 1 We should. It's wild.
We absolutely should. Sorry, I asked that just not related at all to what we're talking about.
No. Go ahead, Sean.
You had a question.

Speaker 1 No, I was just going to say, my brother used to wake me up at like four in the morning just to work on my legs because I was so skinny. Yeah.
Oh, Jake. Like squats and stuff? Wait, wait.
Just legs.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. At four in the morning.
Just legs. Yeah, just legs.
Every morning? Just legs? Can we get another shot at that sentence? Can we just start again? Can we?

Speaker 1 It's true. It's true.
That's like not okay. I know.
I was exhausted. Every day.
What do you mean? Every day. Just legs.

Speaker 1 Okay, so. what are you talking about? I want to know this thing.
By the way, I'm going to ask all the people. I want to have them do squats in the middle of the night.
By the way,

Speaker 1 have you seen Sean's biceps lately? I mean,

Speaker 1 this is honest.

Speaker 1 I gave his little arm a squeeze

Speaker 1 Sunday.

Speaker 1 Will, it's almost as big as yours. He's stacked.
Sean is like crazy built.

Speaker 1 I worked out. It's not interesting.
People cut me because

Speaker 1 I'm in the Gyllenhaal category. A lot of people refer to me.
They call me JG on the side.

Speaker 1 JG. But Sean, are you fucking

Speaker 1 lifting?

Speaker 1 No, I worked out for 20 years, like really hard. And then I was just, now I'm exhausted.
Now I just eat. Look, I have a bunch of questions for Jake Gyllenhaal.
Please.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Sorry, you don't want to talk about your physique.

Speaker 1 No, so Jay, I'm going to ask you boring questions that I'm sure you've answered all before. But I did not know this thing about the noble, like nobility, Swedish thing.
What's going on with that?

Speaker 1 I don't really know. I don't know.
It's a pretty convoluted story that I've been told to and that I've heard.

Speaker 1 I do. I'm a descendant from some form of Swedish nobility.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's about your great-great-grandfather was did you find this out doing one of the heritage tests? No, I've known it. We have like a coat of arms, you know, like what?

Speaker 1 It's yeah, we have like a coat of arms and

Speaker 1 and but I don't think he was really I've done a little bit of digging for a long time.

Speaker 1 I thought that he was a great, like a king, you know, like the descendant, I was descended from like a, like that kind of royalty, right?

Speaker 1 But more and more, as I did research, I realized that it was um, he actually was like a cataloguer and collector of beetles, and he worked for really, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 I don't, I look, I may be a boy, like a porter, or yeah, sort of a form of porter.

Speaker 1 Um, no, I mean, he collected them, he pinned them, you know, he was like, uh, you know, he, you know, those, those beautiful, you know, those, those things that they do.

Speaker 1 But he was a scientist, I guess. And then he was like knighted

Speaker 1 for his scientific work. Yeah.
And then I think, I think that time.

Speaker 1 Now, how much time have you spent there in

Speaker 1 Sweden? Anything at all? I have never been to Sweden. Excellent.
What? Yeah. I have never been there.
Do you have any desire to?

Speaker 1 I do. I'd want to go there for Christmas.
I've been a few times. I've been a few times.
And it's amazing, right? It's amazing. It's amazing.
It's incredible. Do you have family there, Jake?

Speaker 1 I have extended family there, but

Speaker 1 I don't know them. There was a man named Herman Gyllenhall,

Speaker 1 who actually I met, who came over from Sweden that was in contact with my friend. It's not the bug man.
It's not the bug man, but he is a descendant of the bug.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he came and visited us, and he was the one who tried to bring us all together, Americans and Swedish. into Gyllenhaal's.

Speaker 1 I have some distant family in England that I haven't seen since I was a tiny, tiny kid,

Speaker 1 and others that I've never even met. And

Speaker 1 I feel guilty about that, I think.

Speaker 1 But then it's also like there would be, if you went down that lane, there would be hundreds potentially of people that you are somewhat related to that you have not yet met.

Speaker 1 And how do you guys feel about that?

Speaker 1 Well, I was going to say, and I don't, you know, I want you to take this the right way, Jerry Peace.

Speaker 1 No, I do.

Speaker 1 But if you think about it,

Speaker 1 if you think about it,

Speaker 1 you're a person who's in the public eye. And so obviously they probably know who you are especially if they share your name they could get in touch with you if they wanted to oh and they have

Speaker 1 to agree with that on them thank you transferring guilt yeah

Speaker 1 moving forward real question real question what do you think your dad's new name is

Speaker 1 Can we talk about what a great descender Jason is for a second? Because I feel like we've got it. I really feel like we should go back to that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just want to, I just want to, I actually do have a compliment here. And it's actually,

Speaker 1 I want to say that, like, I was so profound. It is scary to go down a hill really fast.
It really is when you're on a bike. It's not, like, it's not for the faint of heart.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 And I realized what a badass he is. Yeah.
I just don't think I've ever fallen before. I think I just need to fall once, and I'll be riding the bike.
Yeah, but I was like, this guy's nuts.

Speaker 1 Like, you were going so fast. I remember just being like, whoa, he's gone.
Like, no concept.

Speaker 1 Are you going down like Loma Vista or are you going down Cornwall? Well, like Moholland. We went down Moholland.
I remember there were car. It was crazy.
You were just like, oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 Right by the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 I was, it was crazy. It was so fast.
It was so dangerous. And I was deeply impressed.
I really was.

Speaker 1 You know what's scary? I know a lot. I know a few boys, a few boys, a few guys.

Speaker 1 I sound like Sean.

Speaker 1 I know a few guys who got really into cycling, including my brother-in-law, Eddie, and a couple other guys who got severely injured doing that kind of super.

Speaker 1 Well, and that's why, Jay, correct me if I'm wrong. That's why one shaves their legs, right? In the anticipation of the inevitability.

Speaker 1 you mean you mean generally that's why anyone shaves their legs or you mean four no bicyclists because you are going to you're going because you're going to fall

Speaker 1 you're going to fall and you're going to slide across the asphalt and if you don't have any hair on your legs or arms the skin does not ball up as much and it and cleaning it becomes less painful is that that's correct right i've heard a lot of things i think that's true i also think like

Speaker 1 I mean

Speaker 1 being aerodynamic, which is sort of a weird thing, but I think there's like, there are a lot of superstitions.

Speaker 1 Like I've heard superstitions from cyclists who are like, they are allowed to eat cheese, but it can't be melted because it has like more calories or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's all these weird things. Wow.
So I don't know. I mean, I, but I do think also if you're going to wear

Speaker 1 spandex that tight, like, you know, you don't want to have like hair pants. You know what I mean? Oh, you mean the hair coming through the spandex? Yeah, not a good line.

Speaker 1 And also just like hair pants. Like, it's just like spandex and hair.
You know what I mean? Maybe that's something, you know? But yes, the scab thing is true.

Speaker 1 I thought it was excessive, Jay, because I remember you talking when you first got it, but I thought it was excessive when you started getting Brazilians as well, because I was like, how is he helping?

Speaker 1 And I saw that when you were descending, and I was like, that was not necessary.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go ahead and ride the saddle. Yeah, I don't need to, I don't need to arch and offer.

Speaker 1 No. Because I

Speaker 1 right as you sped off into like, no, into literally like warp speed, I was like, well, that was. You don't know how you're going to land.
You don't know what's going to hit the pavement first.

Speaker 1 And who's going to see what? Right.

Speaker 1 Needless to say, I'm no longer on the bike.

Speaker 1 I've sold the bike, Jake, I'm embarrassed to say, but I still have a huge drawer full of the funny outfits that I'm happy to sell to you on a very, very fair rate.

Speaker 1 Jake, I want to know about you growing up. Jake, are you the right size? Would you fit into an old man's extra small?

Speaker 1 I did invite Jason just this year to a bike trip, actually. I like reached out to you and invited you to a bike.
This sounded very, very, very good. Can you say where you went?

Speaker 1 This was overseas, wasn't wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to the Alps.
Yeah, I went to the, I was in the, in the Pyrenees, yeah.

Speaker 1 We climbed like uh, climbed the Altoz, we climbed the Glibier, we climbed Mount Ventu. We did this crazy six-day trip.

Speaker 1 You guys,

Speaker 1 when were we? You went to the Pyrenees. You didn't go to Andorra, did you? It's the one place I want to go is Andorra.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I mean, it was, we were in, like, we crossed over the Pyrenees and we were in Provence, and then we climbed.

Speaker 1 The last climb we did was Mount Ventu, which is like, I think it's about 2,100 kilometers, and then it's like 11% incline the whole time, which was one of the most physically challenging things I've ever done.

Speaker 1 And also

Speaker 1 such a incredible experience. And really, like, it was, yeah, it's sort of inexplicable.
Speaking of like tripping, you just, by the end, you're just pushing to the euphoria. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And did, did you make it, did you, did you, did you, did you make it okay, like comfortably? Did you throw up afterwards?

Speaker 1 Was your saddle aching?

Speaker 1 I, uh, I, the first one we did out the Alp Tuez I've ridden before once before I rode it like maybe 15 years ago and I had been working so I hadn't been riding my bike a whole lot but I had assumed that I'd be like okay I kind of know and one of the things one of the things that I think is really important is just more mental like how much pain can you handle really that like and so I was like okay I'll be fine right and when I arrived we had like guides we had two guys ex-pros they were great guys and then my good friend was with me and he had been training like secretly.

Speaker 1 And I had been trying to get on a Peloton, like, for right, I had just been like desperately trying. I hadn't been on a bike, I was just like for a week.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'm just gonna go really hard in a Peloton, I'll be fine. Not applicable when I arrived off the train in France, the two ex-pros looked at my friend, they're like, Well, you're ready,

Speaker 1 and I was like, Wait, what?

Speaker 1 And I, and so, the Alp Duez, we got up there, and I bonked halfway up the Alp Duez, like meaning you just ran out of gas, I just ran out of gas because, yeah, you can't like what happens is your body just can't, you just run out of glucose.

Speaker 1 Oh,

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Speaker 1 Have you ever ridden with Lance Armstrong? Yes.

Speaker 1 And how'd you do? Did you keep up? No, I did not. No.
I mean, like,

Speaker 1 when he wanted to let me keep up, I kept up. Right.

Speaker 1 I watched one of those docs series about the guys climbing the Alps that was on one of the streaming services last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you told me. I watched that too.
Yeah, and I think like sort of 20 minutes less into the first one, I was like, mother, fuck, this is hard. Like, how the fuck is it?

Speaker 1 The one thing I don't understand, Jake, is why, why can't the seat be more comfortable? Why does it have to be so hard? Yeah. You know, because like you do lose, you lose circulation.

Speaker 1 It's so hard and things just go numb and it's not comfortable. Like, if it could just be a little pad or maybe like a shearling top, you know, like a sheepskin.
You can do that.

Speaker 1 You can do anything you want. There's no like.

Speaker 1 Jay, you should do, Jay, you should do a collab with UGGS.

Speaker 1 Some sort of a backrest, maybe even.

Speaker 1 They have those too, man. Like, you can do anything.
There's no, there's no, like, you're not like riding in the Tour de France.

Speaker 1 You're a soft guy, you know. Yeah, like, or even like something with an engine, or like, you know, two seats and passengers.
Or a rope that's connected to an engine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's just do an engine.

Speaker 1 Like that flies in the sky and takes you places fast. Speaking of which, what about those e-bikes? Do you have one yet? Are we going to talk for an hour about about bikes?

Speaker 1 Until we're done,

Speaker 1 I will. No, no, no, no.
I have a thousand questions. I know.
Sean's like, I can see his face. He's like, oh my God, I asked one question about his Swedish noble.
Enough of the bikes.

Speaker 1 Did I buy an e-bike? I have bought an e-bike. Yes.
And, you know, there are e-bikes. Like, if you want to come on the trip, any of you guys want to come.
You're not doing a comment on the trip.

Speaker 1 If you want to come on the trip, no, for real. Like, if you want to come.
If you want to ride regular, you can ride like just without.

Speaker 1 But they also have e-bikes that are attached to like a heart rate.

Speaker 1 So you can choose your heart rate that you want to get to so if you want like and then stay at and the bike will keep you at that place up the way

Speaker 1 what do you do about all you just wear headphones to to mute out the ridicule you're getting from the other riders

Speaker 1 like i i am just desperately i really want people to to get on this trip and come because it's fun but they don't believe it you know no one believes that they're fun

Speaker 1 where is it where is the trip well will they change like we're trying to find new cool places to not hancock park sean okay i'm sorry you won't be there.

Speaker 1 All right, Sean, let's hear some of these bitching questions. Oh, finally.
Jake, welcome to the show. Jake has done a lot of theater.
So Jake, Jake, hold on, let me just hold on.

Speaker 1 Okay, reveal yourself.

Speaker 1 Jake Elena.

Speaker 1 It's the Sean Hayes Show.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, John. So I want to know about growing up and with your, because I think it's fascinating that you come from a family.
Your dad's a director. Your mom is this incredible writer.

Speaker 1 Your sister is also like, it's all, you're all killing it. So it's like, by the way, I had

Speaker 1 dinner with your mom at a mutual lawyer friend's house a million years ago. And I was much younger then.
And I hadn't really written anything yet.

Speaker 1 And I expressed to your mom, God, you know, I wish I was a better writer. It's just so overwhelming to me.
And I remember this. I'll never forget it.
She said, the hardest part of writing is starting.

Speaker 1 And your mom said that to me, and I still remember it.

Speaker 1 Not that that's not, we hear that all the time, but I was the first time I ever heard anybody say it was from your mom. And so I took that and I started writing

Speaker 1 and I wrote scripts and whatever, but that was because of your mom. Holy shit.
Jesus Christ. Wow.
You're going to lead with that? My mom will be actually so flattered by that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what a memory. So it's just starting is the hard part.
Is that fuck?

Speaker 1 I was just going to ask. I haven't heard that before.
Sean, I was going to ask, every time you start everything, you think about my mom? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can really apply it to anything, I think.

Speaker 1 Weird question, Sean. No, it wasn't.
He didn't even have a question mark on it. No question.
This is how bad the Sean Hayes show is. I want to.

Speaker 1 Thank you for listening to the Sean Hayes.

Speaker 1 We just started and we ended. Thank you, Naomi Foner.

Speaker 1 No, you know what? I will say. I will say.
That's my mom's name, by the way.

Speaker 1 Wait, what's your mom's name? Naomi Foner.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So she, think about that. I will say, to Sean's credit, it is interesting to have something like that happen and that something that sticks with you.
And now you're on with the person, JB. Yes.

Speaker 1 It is mildly interesting. However, the way Sean said it was so fucking boring.
So

Speaker 1 it could have been interesting. Will you come on this bike cycle trip? We'll talk so much shit about Sean.

Speaker 1 I'll talk shit about anyone. You don't have to go on a bike trip.
It's true if you just listen to this.

Speaker 1 But Sean, get us back on the rails. We're sorry.
I will. I want to know what it was like.
I know. It's so hard.
I want to know what it was like. I mean, again, I say this all the time on the podcast.

Speaker 1 I grew up in Chicago with, you know, looking at Hollywood like this thing that was unachievable. So I came here with, so what was it like growing up?

Speaker 1 And I know you get asked this all the time, but I don't know the answer. Growing up around it.
And

Speaker 1 then is... Did you find that that's all you're talking about around the dinner table when you're kids

Speaker 1 is the business? And how do you escape talking about other things? And, you know? Jason, do you want to take this in tandem, so to speak

Speaker 1 it is i was so curious to hear what your answer is going to be because i've got mine um yeah yeah what what was it what was it it's it's it's better right gives you even more stuff to talk about around the dinner table i think it's a double-edged sword yeah it is a double-edged sword you know i think in a way it's it's amazing because i you know speaking of my mom like

Speaker 1 you know i i like she she's taught she taught me so much about all this stuff, you know, like, and, and how to find stuff that's good and what's good and when the dialogue's good.

Speaker 1 And, and and then same you know when I was a kid my dad would I'd play around I'd joke I'd you know I was performing like when I was really little just joking around and then he sort of would really encourage it and under like kind of understood me and that performance stuff so there was outside of the kind of idea of

Speaker 1 like the advice and stuff and watching their careers and then saying, oh, you could go this way or that way, you know, oh, don't do this, try that, which is a bit of a head start.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, how much of your own, because a lot of people grow up with, and we take on points of view. Sometimes our point of view is colored by our upbringing and our parents and what we were, you know,

Speaker 1 well, a lot of times when you go into the same, but certainly when you vocationally, when you go into the same thing that your parents did, do you now, do you look back and go, like, oh, I see the influence of my mom or my dad speaking to me while I, when I look at a script, when I think about doing something, when I'm making a choice as an artist, if you will?

Speaker 1 Do you recognize that? I try to, both good and bad, you know? I really do. I try as best as I can, you know, to,

Speaker 1 I mean, what I do think is a lot of those things as we get to be a certain age become

Speaker 1 an unconscious thing, right?

Speaker 1 You put them into experience and then you do things and you're lucky enough to make things and you keep doing it. And then you try them out and then we get a tool belt and then we're using it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and so they are a mix of that.

Speaker 1 I can't differentiate anymore, really, from what I've learned from them and what I've learned from other people because I've been doing it from such a young age do they still give you input do they do they when you work on something yeah particularly like particularly with writing and even you know in

Speaker 1 development of things and things like that my sister wrote her first screenplay and wrote wrote and directed it and to great success yeah and then she just wrote another one and she's directing it it's this amazing thing so and my mom is a big part of it you know you know my sister sends me the script she sends my mom the script my mom and her will talk through things you know she's a real mentor and that is a massive thing to have in your back pocket yeah

Speaker 1 yeah and and do you find like i i i think naturally any any child is always looking to impress their their their parents when they're when when they're when they're tiny and then as you grow older you start to meet other adults you become an adult yourself and and but in since you started with the entertainment industry and your parents were in it, do you find that they still occupy the major sort of North Star you kind of point your efforts towards and look for their approval and their review of things?

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean? Like, I certainly do. I still, I'm still sort of a small boy kind of looking for dad's approval because that's where it all started there.
He taught me how to act.

Speaker 1 He taught me how to direct. And

Speaker 1 I like that. I like that I'm not over that.
Aren't we all? I mean, yeah, in one way or another, definitely. I think also, though, there is a sense of just for me now,

Speaker 1 you know, because there's all that stuff,

Speaker 1 like work is so, it becomes like a big thing, you know, with all of our families, you know, if our parents are working, like you hear about their work, right? It's just inevitable, right?

Speaker 1 The vocabulary becomes part of it.

Speaker 1 To me, and me and my sister in particular, and my family more and more, as, as all that stuff gets into your life and you're doing that, we tend to now try and just work on the family stuff, you know, because that's just like, to me, that's where, that's what I've grown to care about most, you know, I, I, in the end, no matter what we all do and what we create, like it all comes down to them being there, no matter what, right?

Speaker 1 They'll be there. Yeah.
And, and do you have other siblings? Or is it just you and Maggie? I have a little half brother. Um, I mean, he's a half brother.
He's, he's also little. My, my dad had another

Speaker 1 child.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah. And so, but he's my half brother, my sister's half brother.
And, but my sister and I, you know, grew up together. Just like.

Speaker 1 And then what about

Speaker 1 you and Maggie? You've had, I'm, I'm assuming, a very positive experience being in this business, and you've been able to

Speaker 1 transition from child actor into adult actor, and incredibly successful, both of you.

Speaker 1 Do you imagine that you would be supportive of your children going into this? I get this question all the time.

Speaker 1 My answer is always, yeah. I mean, I can't be hypocritical.
I've had a great experience, and it's been challenging, but it hasn't been detrimental or damaging.

Speaker 1 I would just make sure that I would condition my child or explain to my child what to look out for and what to not and what it is and what it isn't and just manage their expectations.

Speaker 1 And then after that, let them make their own decision.

Speaker 1 But I mean, at 10 years old, which I was, and I think you were right around the same age, can you really assess all of the pitfalls such that you make a good decision? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think I would, My parents did a very smart thing, which is they were like, you need to get an education.

Speaker 1 You know, they were very early on. They were like, I was like, I just want to do this thing, you know.
And they were like, okay, cool, great.

Speaker 1 You can keep doing that, but you don't need to do it in like the deep end, right? Yeah, or in lieu of, yeah, yeah, exactly. And, you know, socializing, you know, is a huge thing.

Speaker 1 You know, go be amongst kids, you know, who are tough on you. You know what I mean? Not just in an adult world.
Yeah, if you can balance it, if you can handle it, go for it. Yeah.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 And then the, yeah. No, go ahead.

Speaker 1 no no i just i did to me like that's what i would do i think you know it it you know we can be admit it's it's not a normal life you know in that way you know and so it's just important to to to get perspective you know

Speaker 1 the the and i read that you when you were a kid you also used to volunteer at a homeless shelter and and you celebrated your 13th birthday at one wow i i might that's true

Speaker 1 my mother's jewish my father's christian uh and so you know they're not practicing very heavily but they

Speaker 1 and so my, they had a bit of a dilemma in my, you know,

Speaker 1 bar mitzvah moment, you know, Kinsiniera sort of situation. They didn't know really how to celebrate.
Wait a second. You want to combo bar mitzvah, Kinsinera? No,

Speaker 1 at a homeless shelter, so you got a deal on the venue.

Speaker 1 A deal, a real deal. Everybody showed up, too.

Speaker 1 But it was, it was, yeah. And so one of the things was they were like, you know,

Speaker 1 my father was very big about passages, you know, like, and that's what it was.

Speaker 1 They agreed that there was like, it is a passage of time, and you were walking through this space, and these are the qualities that, you know, they wanted me to understand.

Speaker 1 And so they decided instead of something more formal, like we do all these different things. And one of them was, yeah, we went to a homeless shelter on my birthday and fed the homeless.
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 So it sounds like they started you out

Speaker 1 with just a great set of values, a decent or a great guide in which to sort of be a decent person. And you seem to have really held on to that.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, you're just a really kind person and you've, you've, you've managed to acquire a great deal of success.

Speaker 1 Is it, is it, you know, we're in such a permissive culture and atmosphere with what we do. Is it a constant

Speaker 1 How much of a struggle is it for you to not take advantage of all the sort of latitude people like yourself are given on set off of set do you know what I mean because it's it's

Speaker 1 I don't know did they raise you well enough where it's not that much of a battle I mean I'm I get I'm obsessed with my work I love my work right and I dig into the characters that I do do you know and so that's sort of where I like

Speaker 1 to me inside that learning it has been that's like learning how to be an actor is a different thing right like I don't think my parents were they were not actors right so it's it's a completely different scenario.

Speaker 1 Teaching you how to be a good person, not a good actor. Yeah.
Right. I mean, they were sort of teaching.
I mean, they were, you know, they were like

Speaker 1 learn great, read great plays, you know, try and perform them so you can understand what you're doing. You prefer life in the arts as you have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, kind of. I mean, for whatever I wanted, really, whatever I felt they were down for.

Speaker 1 But I think like, you know. Yeah, I think that's always the question, right? Like we grow up in it, and when we grow up in it, it's a different thing.

Speaker 1 There are people who come into the business and they're, you know, they've experienced life and they, they, they experience success at a different age.

Speaker 1 And it's very interesting to watch people experience success at different ages. And I was so grateful to experience it

Speaker 1 very early, but at the same time, it came with its own kind of growing up throughout the whole process.

Speaker 1 I just watched City Slickers the internet. I swear to God, I just watched it and I was like, is that

Speaker 1 Jake?

Speaker 1 Jake Gyllenhaal? You were like five? I don't know how many people

Speaker 1 were you in that. I was 11.
And you can totally tell it's you. I never noticed that before.
I was like, oh my God, Jake Jillenhall. Were you looking like Billy Crystal's son?

Speaker 1 I was Billy Crystal's son. No way, really.
And really, Billy, like, yeah, he found me and he was like, there's something about this kid.

Speaker 1 I mean, he, I have a poster that still says, he signed a poster for me for City Slicker's poster, and it says, thanks for letting me be in your first movie. Like, he literally wrote that.

Speaker 1 That's cool.

Speaker 1 It was so cool. It's the best poster ever.
And, and he is the fucking best.

Speaker 1 He's such a nice man. Oh, such a nice man.
And I worship him. Like, I, I,

Speaker 1 it is very direct.

Speaker 1 Was that Ron Underwood? Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ron Underwood. Who is, who's Ron Underwood? I don't know that guy.
He directed City Slickers. And then I love this.

Speaker 1 You were cast in Mighty Ducks, but you couldn't take it, right? Or your parents didn't let you take it?

Speaker 1 You know, like when people ask you guys, like, oh, did you, you got that part, but you didn't do that part? Like, and then you're like, why am I? Someone else did it. It's theirs.
This is weird.

Speaker 1 But, and that's a story that fits like we all have i almost did the part that i'm never gonna do and you're and someone else did better than me so i why are we doing um but i uh yeah i was i auditioned for it and they let my parents would let me audition for things and so like without like being like oh sweet jake he wants to go audition for cool and then i like audition i like got it pretty much and they were like oh shit right oh you have to go to school and i was like no i want to learn hockey you know yeah by the way will we have a lot to talk about that because you should talk to my parents i wanted to learn how to play hockey oh it's the biggest where's your hockey passion now do you still have a hockey passion no i wasn't allowed it i i didn't do mighty ducks um

Speaker 1 but yeah it was that was a that was a thing but a lot of the times the the the you know a lot of the role like jar had god you're so fucking good in that and she's done so many great movies yeah and and

Speaker 1 and all of these you know Last year. I just got to say, I wish you had done fucking Mighty Ducks.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I just think of what could have been. I just think of what could have been.
I messed up, but I messed up.

Speaker 1 But these roles in these big, huge movies that just seem to me like I could never do the things you do. They just seem like colossal undertakings as an actor.

Speaker 1 And the physicality that you take on is just remarkable. Like we were talking about at the beginning.
What's the matter? You're brilliant, Sean. Thank you.
I was waiting for that. We got it.

Speaker 1 He said it. But we do prefer a nice sitcom routine.
You know, it's six hours a day.

Speaker 1 You and I have sung together, by the way. That's the I know.
I mean, wait, really? Or where'd you guys sing? Where we sang a whole new world.

Speaker 1 A whole new world. Yeah.
No way.

Speaker 1 It was an arranged marriage, wasn't it? Do you have theater stories? God, if you have a theater story, right?

Speaker 1 My favorite thing is medical stories and theater stories. Yeah, I gotta say,

Speaker 1 I listen to you guys, and I just want to say that I have a great losing a contact story. And

Speaker 1 it's like,

Speaker 1 that was my when I'm on that. That was my fucking story.
Yeah, yeah, Sean, get Scotty in here.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, I thought. Oh, no,

Speaker 1 that's my part. She stole my part.
You know,

Speaker 1 we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 And now back to the show.

Speaker 1 So there you are. You're on stage.
What happened?

Speaker 1 I'm on stage. And so I did this show with Ruth Wilson

Speaker 1 called Constellations, which is this amazing show, Two-Hander. It's 75 scenes in 90 minutes.
Basically, like, and the changes of scenes, it's about a couple.

Speaker 1 And it's a bit like sliding doors-ish, but it's about, they're basically five scenes that happen over a couple's relationship.

Speaker 1 And within the five scenes, they're like eight scenes of the different potential. things that could happen, right? So first they meet and then one of them's not into the other and the other one is.

Speaker 1 And then boom, the lights change, and then the other one who wasn't into the other is into the other, you know, so it switches, then they're both into each, into each other, the next one, then neither of them are into each other, and then it moves forward, right?

Speaker 1 And so, subsequently, actually, there it gets to him asking her to marry him.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I had in tech,

Speaker 1 you know, like the final rehearsals, right? The final rehearsals for Tracy.

Speaker 1 I had said basically, like, okay, we had one prop in the whole show. It was just two people on stage.
We never left this platform, right? It was 90 minutes, never left.

Speaker 1 There was one prop, and the prop was a ring in my pocket that I kept. And you had to prep all stuff.

Speaker 1 And I said to the stage manager, I said, Can I just put some contact lenses under the stage in the back? Because I just, I really am legally, I'm legally blind without contact lenses.

Speaker 1 Like, I, no, no, I am legally blind. Like, I, I cannot, I will, I can't, like, function.
Your contacts in right now? No, I, you guys, but you guys look great. Um,

Speaker 1 I, I, so I, yeah,

Speaker 1 I would be deeply offended if we were making love right now and I found out you didn't have your contacts in. You didn't even bother.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You didn't even bother putting his fucking contact ledges for us.

Speaker 1 He's like, what?

Speaker 1 Like, so I just like, you know, actually,

Speaker 1 at the same time, I like, I had gotten into a little thing with Ruth early on because my brother-in-law, who's an amazing actor, by the way, he,

Speaker 1 he came to see me in previews and he gave me notes and he gave me two notes. One note was he was like, still, there's power in stillness.

Speaker 1 Um, because I think I was moving around a lot and trying to get a lot of attention. And the next note was, don't let her upstage you.
Is what he said.

Speaker 1 She kept walking upstage, huh? No, I mean, I think he actually meant like, She's just a better actor than you, so just try harder and figure it out because she is a better actor than me.

Speaker 1 So I learned that over the course of the run. Because, Tracy, if an actor walks upstage, it forces you to turn your back to the audience to talk to that person.

Speaker 1 And now the audience can't see your face, they can only see the person on stage's face.

Speaker 1 And she does, she's she's just magical. Like, she's just the type of actor that, like,

Speaker 1 I'd always talk about this, like, when Saturday nights, you know, you know, it's like the energy is so in more, so much more intense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Saturday nights, like, she would ride that energy like a wave. And I'd be like, oh, it's so intense.
You know, like, and she'd be like, see ya, you know, and they'd be like, my roof is incredible.

Speaker 1 You know, so he was like, just don't, try not to let her do that. Like, try and surf.
Don't be afraid, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so we had gotten into a thing where, like, I was like, uh,

Speaker 1 I was like, I feel like you're upstage in me. She's like, she was like, oh, I'm not.
I'm just like, you know, the actor bullshit. She's like, I'm not.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, but like, can we just try and stay on the same line? Like, you know, like, because this is about us, you know, and it was like, hold on. So anyway, I,

Speaker 1 the light changes, by the way, these big pops in the show. So you have about like a second and a quarter to kind of change, right?

Speaker 1 And at the same time that I,

Speaker 1 in the, it's very hard to explain because I would put my hand in my pocket in the scene before I'm supposed to ask her to marry me because I pull out the ring and no one's seen a prop.

Speaker 1 And so they go, Oh, how do you get that ring? Right. Right.
I put my hands in my pockets and the ring was not in my pockets.

Speaker 1 So I was like, it's the only prop. By the way, in tech, they were like, I was like, what if we, okay, I have contact lenses up there, but what if, like, I don't have the problem?

Speaker 1 They're like, dude, is it Broadway? We have a prop master who usually deals with a thousand props. He has one prop.
Okay. So don't worry.
You're going to have your prop. Okay.
Don't worry.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I know, but like, if like, they're like, just, and I was like, can I just plead? They're like, crazy, sure. And they put it there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I, I rub, I rub my eye, contact lens falls out in the scene. I put my hand into my pocket.
I can't find a fucking ring. No.
And I'm like, oh my God, I can't see anything.

Speaker 1 And then Ruth, and then I start to move. upstage because I remember there's a contact lens in there and the ring is over there.
And Ruth starts looking at me like, oh, you motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I know what you're doing. You're going upstage.

Speaker 1 You asshole. You know?

Speaker 1 I was like, no, I can't see anything inside of her trying to communicate. And she thinks you were just winking at her, constantly.

Speaker 1 I know what's up.

Speaker 1 And then as soon as I like, boom, the lights pop, I run over, grab the contact lenses, grab the thing, and I am, I put the contact lens in my eye because I can do it because I've been putting contact lenses in my eyes since I was a kid, like really, really young.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then she was like, oh, oh, my God. Like, she realized in the moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that it was a yeah, that's funny. I used to, I used to do this thing and um, promises, promises, there's this guy.
His name's, um, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Oh, by the way, beautiful, beautiful, incredible. His name's Ryan, and we would give each other horrible, horrible shit like right before we'd ended the stage.

Speaker 1 Kind of like the three of us do, just like scathing, right? And he's like, and he goes, I'm actually dead serious before. Tonight, can you change?

Speaker 1 Can you make sure that during this one dance sequence, you, um because you're you're blocking you're just blocking me just episode i go ryan i'm gonna stop you i never look behind me on stage

Speaker 1 now jake if you're not acting if you're not um you know uh exercising being physical um what else are you doing to fill in your time what is what you don't have any like are you a reader are you a tv watcher are you a painter?

Speaker 1 Do you love to knit? You know, what Lily, what are you doing? You are knitting.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get my mom in here in a second because she's mad that you guys still haven't sent her a picture of the fucking sweaters.

Speaker 1 I did. Would you totally check a junk file? I collect shoehorns, actually, which is

Speaker 1 dude. Yeah,

Speaker 1 by the way. Oh, my God.
It is Sweden. Oh, my God.
So am I.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 You have no odd

Speaker 1 hobby or a lot. I cook a lot.
I cook me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to talk about cooking. I didn't know you cook.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But you're not cooking fatty shit.

Speaker 1 You're good at cooking like veggie stuff or macrobiotic or something.

Speaker 1 I cook everything. I love to cook.

Speaker 1 I love to shop for food. So then you eat what you want.
You just make sure that you exercise a lot. No, I mean, no, I've actually, you know, I've tried all different things.

Speaker 1 I'm down with intermittent fasting. I really like that as an idea because I tend to go like, I'm going to just overeat, you know? So instead, I just go, we're just not going to eat today for a while.

Speaker 1 It's all or nothing. Are you sweet? Are you sweet tooth or salty? What's your

Speaker 1 ultimately? I think I'm a sweet tooth. Yeah.
I just like, I'm a cake. I like cake.

Speaker 1 I love cake.

Speaker 1 I'm a pie guy. Do you guys know Yossi Areffi, by the way? No.
No. Her cookbooks.

Speaker 1 Her, she is this book called, I'm like, this is a shameless plug on her book, but it is incredible.

Speaker 1 It's called Snacking Cakes. Snacking Cakes.
Yeah. And there's also this lemon cake that she makes that has pieces that the recipe has pieces of the lemon in it, right?

Speaker 1 So it's like, I don't know if you like a lemon cake. Love it.
I do.

Speaker 1 I don't want to eat a piece of lemon, though. No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. Like you chop, it's small, it's in little pieces, but you get like this sort of burst of citrus, so to speak.

Speaker 1 And like, you really do know it's like the like, I'm a sucker for glazes like that. Yeah, would you be into that, Sean? You think you might be into a cake? I love a glemon pound cake.
Garbage can.

Speaker 1 No, I love that, though.

Speaker 1 I got an ice cream maker for Christmas.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 1 Well, he wanted to cut out the middleman.

Speaker 1 It was too much for the fucking tire to driving to the ice cream shop. Get out of the store.
Just

Speaker 1 make it. I make it while I cry, you know? Like, I just.

Speaker 1 By this time next year, he's going to figure out how to make ice cream in his mouth.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 wait a minute. I I want to talk about Roadhouse because it comes out March 21st.
I'm primed,

Speaker 1 which is really exciting. Wait, were you nervous to remake such a classic film? Because, you know, Patrick Swayze, we all love Patrick Swayze.
I'm sure you're going to kill it, but were you nervous?

Speaker 1 I mean, I knew Patrick Swayze was in Donnie Darko, this film that I was going to be doing. Oh, that's right.
That's right. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 He's like... Donnie Darko.
Not Donnie Darko.

Speaker 1 Can I also just say before you get Nightcrawler? I don't know why. It just occurred to me.
I just remembered how much I fucking love that movie, dude. All your movies.
It was so great.

Speaker 1 It was such a good movie. So good.
Didn't Bob Elswitch shoot that? He did, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a buddy of yours. The one time I've ever been in a room with him was at your house at a birthday party that you had, and I saw him walking around.
I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 Dude, he's a cinematographer, everybody, and

Speaker 1 he's a god. That movie's a fucking masterpiece.
So anyway, so I love the movie too. But Roadhound.

Speaker 1 So you worked with Swayze. We worked with Swayze.

Speaker 1 And he was just the sweetest, most generous, kindest man.

Speaker 1 I was like, when we worked together, and I point break was a movie that I watched maybe like, maybe I've watched that movie more than any movie I've ever watched,

Speaker 1 if I'm honest, because I ranked in so many hours from like

Speaker 1 nine years old to like,

Speaker 1 admittedly, 43.

Speaker 1 I just love that movie. So I, I, you know, and I love a lot of his movies.

Speaker 1 And Roadhouse, I remember these faint memories of the poster and I don't know where I remember seeing it. And then I also remember watching clips of it or it was on TV and being like, what is this?

Speaker 1 Like, I like it is, it's like ingrained in my unconscious this movie. And so, like, Doug Lyman, who's a good friend of mine, we've been friends for 20 years.
Brilliant. Right, director.
Brilliant.

Speaker 1 Brilliant. And he was like, we've been trying to find a movie for a long time to do together.
And he was like,

Speaker 1 We were talking one night because we were talking about one other movie that he had sent me. We were talking about it.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. Then he's like, you know, I do have this other idea.
They just sent me this script of Roadhouse. It's like a reimagining of it.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 I'm fucking in. I literally, I literally was, he said, and I like, it was like the, whoever saw those clips, whoever, it just came out of me.
Like, I'm in. Wow.

Speaker 1 And, uh, and so, um, I mean, you, you, you filmed, you filmed an actual fight with a live audience? I went to the UFC to film. Yeah, we went to the UFC and I filmed in the Octagon.

Speaker 1 Uh, it was crazy raced. Yeah, it was so fun.
It was so incredible. It was incredible.
They let us film there. The UFC was amazing.

Speaker 1 We like, it was nuts I was like high from it for four days after would you say that you were you got into the the best sort of cardiovascular shape you've ever been in through through grappling because like I mean you think you're in shape until you start wrestling with with with someone like it's like it's crazy how tired you get right try wrestling with Conor McGregor I was just gonna say

Speaker 1 I can't believe is this his first acting gig yeah it is yeah it's his first acting i mean wow it depends on how much you consider the performance pre-fight but yes, this is his first acting gig professional.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's pretty wild. How is that process shooting in front of those crowds?

Speaker 1 I got to say, like, that mixed martial arts makes me nervous sometimes. Not just the crowds.
It's a little. Yeah, they want blood.
It's very dangerous. It's like the Coliseum back in the old days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a little bit of Coliseum, but it's just like, it always makes me nervous. Like, because there's like, there's, there's, uh, there's bloodlust, right?

Speaker 1 Like, like, people are out there to really literally.

Speaker 1 You get on the canvas and like, you know, we we were right before, you know, the main cards, right? Post-prelims. Yeah, so it was like post-prelims.
It was pre-pay-per-view.

Speaker 1 We were told we were going to either get like 45 seconds or seven minutes.

Speaker 1 We didn't know because depending on how the earlier fights went, if they went all the way, if they finished in the first 30 seconds, like that would accumulate our time, right?

Speaker 1 So they wouldn't guarantee us anything. So, but by the time we got there, there had been some really, really intense fights.

Speaker 1 And I walked up onto the canvas and there was just so much blood on the map. Are you kidding me? No, no, there's just blood on the map.
They don't clean it.

Speaker 1 No, it's canvas. Did you could you wear slippers during the yeah? Oh, yeah, don't worry.
I wore

Speaker 1 feet condiments. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There we go. No, I, I, it was, it's really, it's actually

Speaker 1 Bateman's gonna go wash his hands just to show you that.

Speaker 1 One of the things they don't tell you about, Jason, is that, you know, in grappling in particular and mixed martial arts, you know, staff is like a big thing.

Speaker 1 And, and, so, because, like, they're just, everybody's grappling on these mats, right? And actually, when we were shooting, when we were shooting Roadhouse, I got staffed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were shooting and my arm like blew up. And I was like, what is this? I didn't know what it was.
And I, here we go, Sean. Here's a medical story.
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 And, and I, I thought it was because this big, there's a big final fight between me and Connor McGregor in it. And Connor is amazing.
I mean, he's amazing.

Speaker 1 And he coached me through a lot of our fights, right? He was like, he came in. He was like, I'm a white belt in this,

Speaker 1 this movie world, this acting world. I'm here to learn from you.

Speaker 1 I was like, it was such humility.

Speaker 1 I said, well, I'm obviously less than a white belt in your world so like you tell me what you hurt me to do yeah no every time we have to we'd have to say to connor like i'd they'd be like we're rolling okay marker and then it'd be like i'd have to say remember even two months into shooting remember don't hit me in the face like remember that yeah and he'd be like oh yeah oh yeah right right right right right

Speaker 1 it was that every time before every tick yeah

Speaker 1 money maker money maker now so was was the crowd aware that you guys were shooting a movie and were told to like just kind of cheer this fight on like you would?

Speaker 1 No, not all of them because some people were like, well, what they started to do is they picked up on us filming and then they realized that there was like kind of a good guy and a bad guy in the fight.

Speaker 1 And then they started cheering when like I would throw a punch and they'd be like, they'd be like, yeah. And then it was like 15,000 people

Speaker 1 cheering for this thing. And that was accurate for the story.
Like

Speaker 1 you were the good guy? They had no idea. Yeah.
They had no idea. Wow.

Speaker 1 Where was it? We were in Vegas. It was 285.
I didn't, I was supposed to do 283, and then I got the night before got COVID, and we had the whole crew ready to go. And so we had to win.
It was 285.

Speaker 1 The number of fights. Oh, wow.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And did you get hurt at all? During the filming? Yeah. The staff infection.
All the time. Well, yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, the staph infection in the end, I didn't know it was staph infection.

Speaker 1 And I woke up and I was like, this, my elbow feels weird. I thought it was just because I had grabbed Connor like 30 times in this one moment.

Speaker 1 And I thought, oh, he just was just throwing this arm down on me. And I was grabbing it so hard that I thought it just hurt my elbow.

Speaker 1 So I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't touch my elbow to the bed sheet. I was like, Jay, you're so lucky you didn't get hurt.
I mean, so easily could have just broken it.

Speaker 1 I know it's so

Speaker 1 fucking pop out, you know. Yeah, you know.
I mean, Sean, you said one time at work, right? Didn't you say that you sprained your ankle when you're coming up for a curtain call on Will and Grace?

Speaker 1 By the way, sprained ankle is a real pain in the ass. It is.
It's the worst.

Speaker 1 You tripped on Shimada's camera as you were coming out.

Speaker 1 Wait, Jake, you don't have to take those roles. Yeah, you don't have to take those roles.
Why don't you just get a nice sitcom? I know. That's what I'm saying.
Like, what is the draw?

Speaker 1 Why do you, what is the whiff, like the demo? I would love to do a sitcom. No one thinks I'm funny.
I would love to do a sitcom. Everyone's like, so serious.
This guy's so serious.

Speaker 1 He takes himself so seriously. He does all this stuff.

Speaker 1 I would love to do that.

Speaker 1 I'm doing this because this is what I got, guys. No other options.
Nowhere else to go.

Speaker 1 No, I just love, I love that, like,

Speaker 1 I love the idea. You're great at it.
Yeah, well, you're so brilliant. You could do anything.
You can just play

Speaker 1 it. They came true.
I was like, about Roadhouse 2, by the way. I didn't want to say anything because we were talking about roles we didn't do.
It was different. It was more about eating.

Speaker 1 Don't even try Roadhouse 2. If I knew that you would have been in that movie, we would have had you in the movie.

Speaker 1 I was up for Roadkill. But anyway, Jake, this is wonderful that you, we took up way too much of of your time.
You're so sweet to come by. You're very nice.
Yeah, you guys are so excited to be here.

Speaker 1 So fun.

Speaker 1 I love your show. I am such a huge fan.
I obviously

Speaker 1 adore you all from afar and

Speaker 1 close-up. Likewise, you too.
I invite you places you don't come. Well, I've literally invited you now, so if you don't come, you know, then you're the same.
I'm coming with the e-bike option.

Speaker 1 Do you touch my heart? Are you kidding me? I'm fucking stoked.

Speaker 1 And Jake, you'll come over. I'll make ice cream and we'll we'll sing.
Yes, by the way, can we please do that? I'd love to watch that. Please, Sean, really.
I would totally love to do that. Okay.

Speaker 1 Jake, thank you. All right, I love you, Jake.
Thanks, thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Bye, Pal. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

Speaker 1 That was nice to revisit with my old friend. I love him so much.
She should have been my guest.

Speaker 1 It's so weird how that always works on our show, right? It's like oftentimes the person, the guest, the person who knows the guest the best usually is not not the host. That's right.

Speaker 1 It's odd how that works. I don't know.
I don't know how. Did you know him, Will, before?

Speaker 1 Not really.

Speaker 1 We've hung out once or twice, just briefly.

Speaker 1 And such a nice guy, but I don't really know him. And I knew, I'm just doing this

Speaker 1 because I like all the different apps.

Speaker 1 I knew.

Speaker 1 Computer, Jason, it's not going to work. Oh, really? It's got to be a phone? Are you on the phone, Will? No, I'm on my computer.

Speaker 1 Wait, what? It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 You didn't get update on your computer, obviously.

Speaker 1 He's so nice. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 JB, I didn't know that you guys knew each other that way.

Speaker 1 We hung out for a bit there. We got into sort of that bike riding routine for a while, and then he got a job, or I got a job, and we just drifted and never got back on the bike.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he's just a very, very normal, normal guy. And I think he's gotten younger since I saw him.
I know. He looks super young.
He looks amazing. Yeah.
How old do you think he is?

Speaker 1 I would have a good time time hanging out with him. Well, cool it.
He's 43, I'd say. Is he? Oh, wait.
He said that, didn't he? He said that 30 years ago. Yeah, I think he said 43, yeah.

Speaker 1 So he is already that younger.

Speaker 1 I mean, can you believe all he's accomplished in 43 years? It's crazy. Yeah.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 He's made so many movies. Yeah.
Well, when he goes, he just goes like, yeah, when I did Darney Darko, and you're like, oh, yeah, Donnie Darko, which is a fucking great movie. Yeah.
Fantastic.

Speaker 1 But he just, you know, to be able to throw out like, yeah, I remember doing, like, that's like, oh, yeah, I remember when fucking Zodiac. Amazing.
You know, yeah. And like, Zodiac.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then fucking Nightcrawler is incredible. If you haven't seen it, yeah, what have we done with our lives? We're just sitting here.

Speaker 1 I know. And I'm back at home.

Speaker 1 I've gone full circle. I'm about to get my mom's about to give me shit about the holes in my jeans or something.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Speaking of going full circle, remember the remember the very beginning of this podcast today? We were talking about Sean's biceps.

Speaker 1 We used that one last time. Two in a row with biceps.
Bye.

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