"Sam Rockwell"

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Speaker 1 So I was talking to my, I was talking to my friend. I was talking, hey, hey, good morning.
I was talking to my friend. Did you just restart yourself?

Speaker 1 Still rolling.

Speaker 1 I mean, we get a cla- just need a just a clean start there.

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Speaker 1 Now, Sean says that he got up at four this morning, went back to bed, and that that's his standard routine.

Speaker 1 I guess I remember you telling us about that, but what is what do you do when you get up at four that gets you back down?

Speaker 1 I read, I play games on my computer, and anything to kind of get my brain back. So, that's something you haven't been able to stop doing for years.

Speaker 1 You don't sleep through the night. I mean, if I take something, I do.
Well, what's wrong with that? I just don't want to do it all the time.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're so worried about the temple that is your body, right? You don't want to put anything nasty inside there. Yeah, nothing to mix with the other crap that you're going to be able to do.

Speaker 1 You've developed the mac and cheese gut by now.

Speaker 1 Your bamboo shoot healthy body.

Speaker 1 Sean, how would you describe your body? I'll go first because somebody asked me to describe Sean's body.

Speaker 1 And right off the top, I said pigs in a blanket. How would you

Speaker 1 came to?

Speaker 1 I was watching the Bill Maher show the other night, and

Speaker 1 the guest got on, and Bill said, Gosh, you've lost so much weight. And he goes, Yeah, there's nothing worse than a skinny guy with a pot belly.
And I raised my hand, and Scotty was like, Yep.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I don't see you as that. No, me neither.
You guys have

Speaker 1 a frame to get there. You have a very nice proportional frame, isn't it?

Speaker 1 How big do you think you could get, Sean?

Speaker 1 I wanted to get so big when I was younger. I wanted to get like, I would go to the gym all the time.
I'd drink milkshakes.

Speaker 1 My oldest brother would make, like, make, take me out for burgers, and I would constantly, constantly eat. I just couldn't gain a pain.
Well, it was like what, like, how'd that pan out? Did it?

Speaker 1 Did it give you?

Speaker 1 Did you get the look you were looking for?

Speaker 1 Well, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, that was a sign of power, right? Exactly.

Speaker 1 Big and huge and sort of a glutton, right? Yeah. Yeah.
So if you were thin, what? You had no power? Yeah. You were, you were.
You were always proliferating. It was a sign of, yeah,

Speaker 1 if you were kind of bigger, it was a sign of prosperity. Wealth, right? Yeah.
Prosperity.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 here's something that happened to me yesterday. I was at the car wash.
There you are.

Speaker 1 I threw myself. You like to ride through? You'd like one of those? No, no.

Speaker 1 I do that with the kids every once in a while. Oh, you do for real? Well, it's fun.
Yeah, it's fun. No, this I, Scott is like, you got to get.
That's what I call, by the way, good, clean fun.

Speaker 1 Good, clean, weekend fun. No,

Speaker 1 the car wash is good, clean fun. No, we get, we get the, we got the quotes.
Yeah, you did. Thank you.
Go ahead, Sean. Go ahead, Sean, back to Sean.
No, so so I get it hand washed, right?

Speaker 1 So I'm sitting there. Oh, look at this.
Hold your jokes. Hold your jokes, Will.

Speaker 1 God, look, he's just, oh, we heard hand. Time for a HJ joke.
Fucking HJ.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Sean.

Speaker 1 So I, I, so I got, so I gave my car away for a hand wash. I come

Speaker 1 waiting. Yep.

Speaker 1 And, and I threw my stuff in the trash right when you clean your car out before they wash it and all of them consist you know there's a lot of uh near full bottles of water and so i was sitting there because i didn't think i was going to be thirsty 20 minutes later i'm like god i'm kind of thirsty so i go back to the trash and pulled out one of the bottled water

Speaker 1 and a woman just stared at me like i was there's something wrong with me and i was conflicted i was like do i care what she thinks do i not care what she thinks and i cared what she thought so i looked at her i said i threw my bottle out prematurely.

Speaker 1 And she said, Oh, my God. She goes, She just got crazier in her eyes.

Speaker 1 She goes, Aren't you afraid it's dirty? I said, No, it wasn't touching anything bad. And so she just glared at me in a conversation.
Yeah. And wait, that was the end of it.
That was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 She just ended up staring at me and I drank it. Would you ever, would you ever do that?

Speaker 1 Man, I don't even know where to attack that story. It's just the whole every every part of it is just open for assassination.
I

Speaker 1 Wait, so

Speaker 1 was your water bottle slang already filled with a bottle? Why didn't you just put that thing right in your little water bottle purse and just go sit down and wait for your car to be done?

Speaker 1 You've got one. No, because I threw them out thinking, well, I don't need them.

Speaker 1 But there was a little water left in them. So then sitting there, I was like, oh, I'm kind of thirsty, actually.
So I went back into the trash. I love that.

Speaker 1 You don't want to use a glass bottle that's reusable? How fucking dare you? Or a metal? Oh, shit. No, actually, I need to get like a water bottle.
That is, to me, the height of

Speaker 1 opening up a plastic water ball right okay the height of joke it's a visual joke for our radio audience it's not fair um well anyway enough about that are we getting into the

Speaker 1 oh no no you don't want to do another hour on that

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 what'd you get into last night uh

Speaker 1 last night i got into

Speaker 1 nothing much it was it was pretty chill it was kids it was movie night for the little night for the little guys every night Did you watch the movie with them?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they kind of last night. We ended up watching the classic Peter Pan.
And so what they'll do is they'll go.

Speaker 1 We're talking about the little boys, not the biggest boys.

Speaker 1 So they'll go, we want to watch Pinocchio. And I'm like, okay, so you put it on, right? We put it on in our room.
They come in, they call it movie night, sort of 20 minutes before their bedtime.

Speaker 1 And then they don't really watch. What they really want to do is they want to be flipped on the bed and thrown into the pillows.
Yeah, I get it. That just gets

Speaker 1 actually,

Speaker 1 can you throw me, please?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 But doesn't get them all fired up and then they can't go to bed.

Speaker 1 As it turns out, and you can look it up, as it turns out, that kind of activity getting thrown around and getting sort of squeezed and stuff, it gets a lot of like nervous energy out and they end up falling asleep.

Speaker 1 And it's been really, yeah, it's been a bit. Maybe I need to try that.
So I can't. Yeah, Scotty, Scotty, throw you around a little.
Maybe choke. Hey, will you throw me? I'll throw you for sure.

Speaker 1 Hey, what about, have you ever gotten real close to accidentally really hurting one of your kids doing that? I mean, it's like, and trampolines, by the way, forget it. Yeah, Mabel wants one.

Speaker 1 I'm like, honey, no, you're just going to get better and better and better at it, meaning you're going to be flipping yourself higher and higher and doing more revolutions, and then it doesn't end well.

Speaker 1 It's the trampoline. We have one.
We have one.

Speaker 1 We have a little house out on Long Island. Long Island.

Speaker 1 Next to the bowling alley. And

Speaker 1 we have a trampoline. And now, of course, it's endured, I'm going to say six winters, and

Speaker 1 it's real rusty. You've seen it.
It's always covered in debris.

Speaker 1 And I'm so stupid. The kids are like, we're going out.
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 And I'm just waiting. It's just, it's going to be a moment.
There's going to be somebody to come back and go my arms backwards. Yeah, I can't.
I know. It's just, we're going to pool, kids.
I know.

Speaker 1 How fun was Sunday? Okay, you're ready? Sunday was super fun. You may be noticing a pattern with our guests lately.
They're a lot cooler than we are. And my guest today is no exception.

Speaker 1 We're getting right into it. Before becoming an Academy Award-winning actor, he made his acting debut alongside his mother in an East Village improv show at age 10.

Speaker 1 As a teen, he dabbled in break dancing to impress the girls, ditto, the breakdancing part. And then he played head thug in the 90s, 1990s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.

Speaker 1 But I think he's done just a few things since then. We'll have to ask him.
It's one of my favorite actors of all time, Sam Rockwell. Oh,

Speaker 1 Sammy's all healed up.

Speaker 1 So better. I'm so sorry you had to wait a really long time for that.
No, that was amazing. That was fantastic.
Listener,

Speaker 1 our guest today

Speaker 1 had an illness. What, a few weeks ago? Yes.
I did. I had some sort of neurovirus or something, whatever makes lots of poop come out of you.
Right.

Speaker 1 And you had to pull the handbrake day up. Yeah.
I did. So what he did.
So I had a temperature. And he doesn't know that it's a surprise guest situation.

Speaker 1 So he texted each one of us individually, or at least me, and said, hey, man.

Speaker 1 No, I think it started with just a picture of a thermometer. And, you know, Sam, and Sam, we're going to let you talk in a second.

Speaker 1 But listener, you need to know that Sam, one of his things that he's very famous for is sending pictures of really life-scarring images.

Speaker 1 And I thought, what could this, okay, so what could this thermometer be? It must be a rectal thermometer coming from Sam. So I didn't really respond.

Speaker 1 And then a couple of days days later, he said something like, yeah, listen, man, I'm still sick. I'm not going to be able to make it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, hey, Sam, I think you meant to send this to somebody else who might be waiting for you to show up somewhere. And he should just know you sent it to the wrong person.

Speaker 1 He's like, was I not supposed to be on your podcast today? I'm like, oh,

Speaker 1 so you were a surprise, guys.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't matter. Will didn't know and Jason didn't know when you were going to come on.
So it's mine. That's right.
That's right. Still a surprise to all of us.
Hey, guys.

Speaker 1 It's so good to see you, Sam. Thank you for being here today.
This is so cool.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 are you doing the same Jason Bateman thing because of a part where you're growing all this facial hair out? Yeah, I am. I'm doing something in April where I sort of look like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me too. April 15th.
I got it.

Speaker 1 You grow a man. What if it was the same part? You girl a man's beard.
Yeah, what if it was the same part? You girl a man's beard. Mine's um

Speaker 1 well, how long has that been? How long you got on that? About six years. No.

Speaker 1 This is uh this. You might need some hair and makeup.
You might need to go into of the things that are going to be a lot of fun. But my guy's supposed to kind of

Speaker 1 be a real loser and is incapable.

Speaker 1 Get to the beard.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got anyway.

Speaker 1 Sammy, thanks for being here. Tell me, I want to get into all of it, but I want to know about the breakdancing thing.

Speaker 1 That was bad break dancing.

Speaker 1 But I remember years ago, I saw you do the splits on Saturday Night Live. I was like, is that really him? Was that really you? Yeah, I did it.
I did.

Speaker 1 I tore my hamstring doing it during full for love actually eight times a week wow we did it

Speaker 1 great bit in the play yeah yeah it's it's not uh you got to be warned you did the full-on splits you know it's a cheat it's a cheat i don't know if it's the the risky business or the james brown but you're kind of like oh yeah yeah careful you know it's not quite yeah careful um

Speaker 1 it's uh it's not quite the split splits well have you always been able to kind of do that you always been a bit of a dancer i i kind of messed around.

Speaker 1 I remember watching James Brown and watching Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 It was a way to meet girls when I was 12. And I guess I watched Risky Business and tried to imitate that.

Speaker 1 Now, but then

Speaker 1 the Great Limited Series that you did with all the

Speaker 1 Fossey

Speaker 1 version.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't just sort of train for that. You need to be somewhat gifted before you even consider taking that part on.
So you know what you're doing on the dance floor, yeah?

Speaker 1 Well, thanks, thanks. But that was the first formal training I did, I think, on that thing.
How much dancing are you doing these days, man?

Speaker 1 Hey, cool it, bro. He's just wanting to know.
Hey, man, we love GeForce, man. Cool it.
I know, it's true. What, you guys were in G-Force together? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a cast, by the way. What a cast.
Zach. Galvanakis, Bill Naey.
Yeah, Bill Naey. That's right.
That's right. Heck, so, Sam, when you were a kid, San Francisco, right? I love San Francisco.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 In the city or just like in the basement? In the city proper, yeah. Moved all the way.
Wow. And your parents were

Speaker 1 both actors, too. Yeah, my father was a union rep for the supermarket clerks and the printers.
And

Speaker 1 we lived everywhere. Fillmore, Tenderloin, Castro.
I met Harvey Milk when I was eight years old. He

Speaker 1 was getting into unions and stuff.

Speaker 1 That's wild. Yeah, my dad was a big union guy.
Couldn't cross a picket line.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 do you think that San Francisco had

Speaker 1 more of an artistic community

Speaker 1 or as much of an artistic community as New York? Or was it different?

Speaker 1 What's the difference? It wasn't as cool.

Speaker 1 I wanted to go to the fame school.

Speaker 1 I went to sort of a small school of the arts in San Francisco. I went to high school with Margaret Cho, Aisha Tyler.
Wow. Me and Aisha dated for a while.

Speaker 1 And we were in a very, terrible improvisational troupe called Batwing Lubricant.

Speaker 1 It was

Speaker 1 bad.

Speaker 1 We did bad improv.

Speaker 1 We performed at the other cafe, which is a famous place.

Speaker 1 So what age are we at now when the acting bug starts to take hold?

Speaker 1 Well, I was 10. I dabbled with it, and then I was sort of busy getting stoned and trying to meet girls.
And then I didn't take acting very seriously. And

Speaker 1 it was kind of a rough school McAteer, but we had the soda kids within that, like about 500 of them within the 2000s. And

Speaker 1 Juvenile Hall was across the street. So it was like a mixture of kids from the mission.
There were rich kids coming in for the School of the Arts. And I was dating a dancer.

Speaker 1 And it was around, you know, 16. I was kind of dabbling in it, but I didn't take it seriously.

Speaker 1 And then when did it get serious? Did you move out of there? Did you go to New York? I got a movie when I was 18. Then I moved to New York.
And

Speaker 1 I didn't really get, I do like, you know, toothpaste commercials and shit like that. And then I

Speaker 1 studied with William Esper when I was 23. Sure.
I did two years with him, and then I met my acting coach there, Terry Knickerbocker, and studied Meisner. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Now, why was the move to New York instead of Los Angeles? Shorter drive, more opportunity? Yeah, I guess my mom lived there. And so I thought that was the place to go.

Speaker 1 And I kind of romanticized being a struggling actor because I had seen my mom do it. And a free place to stay, maybe.
And a free place to stay.

Speaker 1 But I love that story you told in your acceptance speech when you won your Oscar.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sorry, I just hold it because we are going to put, well, we're going to put applause in.
Use mine. Sure.
But, dude, so you win an Oscar.

Speaker 1 You tell that great story about going to the movies with your dad. And I loved

Speaker 1 the way, and I'm just going, I literally just remember it because it was so impactful that your dad would take you out of school and he'd lie to the school saying that you had to do some shit or somebody died.

Speaker 1 Yeah, then my grandmother passed away. Again,

Speaker 1 it's pretty morbid, isn't it? That's so good. That's so good.

Speaker 1 The best, man. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I was in music camp when I was a kid, and I sent a letter to my mom saying, can you please come pick me up? Please just tell them grandpa died. Please.

Speaker 1 Just tell them grandpa died and you have to pick me up. She never did.
She never did. And did you love it?

Speaker 1 Did you love getting pulled out of school, going to the movies, or did you want to stay in school and hang out with your buddies? No, I loved it. I loved it.
It was,

Speaker 1 the school I was in at the time, I think I was getting beat up a lot. It was kind of a rough school.
Yeah, you were like in fight. I read you were in a lot of fights or the white supremacists.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I didn't win any of the fights. I was getting my ass kicked.
And then

Speaker 1 my dad, yeah, so when my dad took me out, I was like, yeah, let's get the hell out of here, you know. And then thank God grandma was alive.
And then we went, yeah, we went to the opening day of Rocky.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, really?

Speaker 1 And nobody had heard of it. My dad took me to all of those movies during that time, too.
They were so good. All those movies that none of my friends were seeing.

Speaker 1 But like, my friends weren't going in to see like the Werner Herzog, you know, documentary, you know, and like, or like any movies with subtitles. No.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I remember my mom would take me to. I was kind of like her movie pal.
I remember her taking me to see, was it Missing? The one with Sissy Space and Jack Bunny. And Jack Bunny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, about people going missing in Chile. I was a little bit more.
How old are you when you saw that? 11. Pretty heavy.
Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Couldn't sleep for months. I saw the deer hunter when I was 10.
I saw like taxi driver when I was eight. Exactly.
Right?

Speaker 1 It's like got you excited about movies, but it's uh, it makes you grow up quick.

Speaker 1 But there's something there, okay, so, but there is something there messaging-wise, which is like you don't want to take your kids to just see something that's got gratuitous violence or language or whatever.

Speaker 1 But if it's great filmmaking and it's a great story and it's a great, then there's, and it's great art, then there's value in that. Violence would be done cinematically.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I mean, people enjoy the other thing. I was on a plane once.
I saw a guy watch Fast and Furious movies with the sound off.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying. So there's something for everybody.
Right.

Speaker 1 That is when you've had the full lobotomy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's when it's, that's when they took it all out.

Speaker 1 They just scraped it clean.

Speaker 1 Wait, Sam, do you, so I also read you hurt your hands or something. Was that from fighting? I heard, no, it was a car accident.
Yeah. What? Wait, wait.
Is that fully extended? Oh, wait. Do it again.

Speaker 1 Can you not straight? Oh, yeah, you can straighten them out.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at that. Wow.
Oh, the ganger. What happened?

Speaker 1 You can see it in the green mile for a second.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It works for that character.

Speaker 1 So he has a tweak tip of

Speaker 1 his

Speaker 1 FBI. Yeah, they were all crushed.
Four of them are crushed. What happened?

Speaker 1 I flipped a Jeep Cherokee on Sunset and La Brea. Just fucking got into a squat and you just flipped it? Oh, you were in.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 Use your legs.

Speaker 1 I started the Royce really early. That'd be so good if you're like driving around and you just see Rockwell and you're like, is he flipping a fucking car?

Speaker 1 So wait, Sunset La Brea, that sounds like, so you were upset at the fat burger there on the corner with

Speaker 1 the lead a little, you know, after it rains when it gets kind of oily in LA, the roads, and I hit the lead kind of fast. I was trying to impress a girl

Speaker 1 and she kept going. I took a left turn and I got into a skid and I got out of the skid and it just went.
But those models, I think, tended to flip pretty easily. They're tippers.

Speaker 1 Wait, you're a model, you're still, you're talking about the car or the girl?

Speaker 1 Walk me back. You're trying to impress a girl at the stoplight that you don't know.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to make, I'm trying to like do like an American graffiti kind of hit the hit the lead kind of thing. Sure.

Speaker 1 And but then I had, I took a left and I got into a skid and then I got out of the skid, but then I hit the curb

Speaker 1 and I went.

Speaker 1 Do you miss driving being in New York?

Speaker 1 No, I don't miss driving. Not at all.

Speaker 1 No, I drive in movies. Yeah.
That's like a video game. Yeah, that's true.
I once had to drive in a movie, and the scene was I was driving a car that was going the wrong way on a freeway.

Speaker 1 And what they did was they built one of these pods on top of the car where they have a stunt driver up there with a wheel that is steering the car so that he or she can make all the correct turns.

Speaker 1 They're not relying on an actor to go left, go right in coordination with the cars coming at you going left and right that they've they've worked out.

Speaker 1 It was the most horrific thing I've ever been through where I'm speeding the wrong way. I'm controlling freaking.
Yeah, and I'm not in control, but looking as if I am.

Speaker 1 I've turned to my wheel, but there's a dude up on top of the roof in a little tiny built pod just a couple of hours earlier.

Speaker 1 That sounds kind of no, but it worked. You have control issues, especially.
I kind of want to race cars. Does anybody else want to race cars? Do you really want to race cars?

Speaker 1 I do kind of want to just try it once. You know, guys, for my birthday, that's what I want.
I'm not kidding. Do you really? I can set that up.
Yeah, we can go up to Willow Springs. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 Jason fucking won. We've talked about it.
Jason's won that thing three times. I know.
Do you race cars, Jason? I mean, in a celebrity race. But then I did have two.
What kind of car is that?

Speaker 1 No, you flipped a car in a real race in the Pokemon. Yeah, exactly.
It was professional for two races, and then I got upside down and said, okay. I'm good.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I'll go back to the celeb stuff. Fastbender is doing that, right? He's doing it.

Speaker 1 But he's doing the real, real.

Speaker 1 He races like BMWs and shit across Europe. Yeah, wow, that's insane! Sam, I want to get back to you.

Speaker 1 I want to get back to you when you're at the beginning. I do it on Broadway, sure.
I really,

Speaker 1 sure. I do it on the boards.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to just talk theater and all that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sam, anything ever funny ever happened on stage? Anyone ever forget a line? I've never seen Sean skip over I Want to Get to Broadway.
I've never seen him go like,

Speaker 1 this little show that Sean did at the Tabasco. Oh, the Tabasco.
Is he not just spicy as hell in that? Oh, Oscar.

Speaker 1 You're very nice to come, Sam. It meant a lot to me.
It meant a lot. It was.

Speaker 1 But seriously, listen, I go on about all you guys and like arrest the development. I go on about Ozark identity theft.

Speaker 1 If Jason hears me say identity theft one more time, he's going to punch me in the face.

Speaker 1 That was the movie I was driving the wrong way.

Speaker 1 Was that the movie? Was it real? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
But I mean,

Speaker 1 I'd seen you in a plane before. I didn't realize that you're a fucking assassin.
I know.

Speaker 1 I mean, that, what the fuck, what was that? And do you think that's why we were all so knocked out? Because we just thought it wasn't going to be good acting at all.

Speaker 1 Like, here we are, boy. We just, we're sitting here.
We're going to watch a train wreck.

Speaker 1 Sam, you know, when we went and saw the opening night,

Speaker 1 and we were all, we were all there and we're sort of fucking like, and Jason, right as this recurrent comes down, Jason turns to me, tears in his eyes, and he goes, podcast is over.

Speaker 1 When it was over,

Speaker 1 yeah, no, when the play was over, and he had just like

Speaker 1 gained mountains of respect in Will and I's mind, and it was already very high. But to see you do that,

Speaker 1 the level you did it, and I'm crying, and the curtain comes down after the curtain call.

Speaker 1 And I did, I turned to Will. I said, Well, the fucking podcast is ruined now.
It's ruined. So now you got to double down on the bust his chops.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's nothing very nice.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Sean. Hey, Sean, Sean, Sean,

Speaker 1 can I ask you a question for real? Can I be real now that we're on this subject?

Speaker 1 Do you have any good theater stories?

Speaker 1 And we will be right back.

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Speaker 1 All right, back to the show.

Speaker 1 You know what? You know what? I'm going to tell you something. And then, Sam, I want one ready, locked and loaded.
So get ready because

Speaker 1 you're all theater. Don't get one.
You don't fucking threaten me with a great story.

Speaker 1 But listen, I just sent Will this thing that stretches out your calf because if you stretch out your calves and your hands,

Speaker 1 you release your lower back because Will's been having lower back stuff. So I got that during Good Night Oscar because I started getting plantar fasciitis, like my feet are hurting.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was so bad during a couple shows. I was literally shuffling along like I was 95 years old.
I was in so much pain doing the show.

Speaker 1 And two days later, Will, I used that thing I sent you and it was gone. Sean, so Sean sent me the...
Did you forget the boot?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it's that thing that kind of rocks, you know, to stretch your calves, right? You put your foot on it and it just, it's just yeah. And you sleep in it, right? You sleep in it.
It's like a single side.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 You just stand on it. No, you just stand on it, and you just kind of seesaw.

Speaker 1 My son, Abel, who I mean, my son, Denny, who's almost, he's like three and a half, looks like that. Oh, okay, that's something else.
Oh, that's advanced.

Speaker 1 So these guys, I've been having this issue with my, it was my hamstring, and then it became like a sort of sciatic nerve thing. And I'm fucking going to see this guy.

Speaker 1 We're not going to mention Tarek again. This would be four in a row.
We're going to mention Dr. Tarek.
Tarek's great. What is it? Do you know Terror?

Speaker 1 Have you seen Duran the Israeli magician? No, but do you know Tarek? Do you know Terric? I get to watch magic tricks.

Speaker 1 So I've been going to Terek. I've been living in his office for the last time.
Terek has been, he's got a great elbow. Duran is also great.

Speaker 1 I don't know Duran. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Tarek has an unbelievable elbow. When he gets it there, forget it.
So anyway, so Sean and Sunday night were at dinner to our friends and he goes, I'm going to get you this thing, this rocking thing.

Speaker 1 It comes the next day.

Speaker 1 Monday.

Speaker 1 I do it yesterday. By yesterday afternoon, I feel infinitely better.
Really? Really good. Dude,

Speaker 1 you just got just your hands and your calves, and you're good to go. Yeah, you've been screwed up for a few weeks on that.
I have. Indeed, I have.
It starts with the feet, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sam, so, so, so hand injuries from the car, any injuries from Broadway? Uh, yeah, hamstring. Well, I have, yeah, I've had tendinosis, uh, two calves from other stuff.
That's about it.

Speaker 1 Shoulders are creaky. Yeah.
You're neighbors. How old are you now, Sam?

Speaker 1 I'm 77. I'm 55.
Right. So we're all about the same age.
You look plastic. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Things start to ache a little bit, right? Like, I don't feel like I deserve the kind of knee kind of tweaking or the hip kind of tweaking because we all stay in pretty good shape.

Speaker 1 We exercise and stuff. But, you know,

Speaker 1 the car does break down. It does break down.
It's really annoying. But so, Sam,

Speaker 1 talk to me about the, quote, well-paying 1994 Miller Light commercial. Oh, my God.
Right. So that's when, is that when you knew like, okay, I got this big commercial.
It pays really well.

Speaker 1 Maybe I can quit all my other jobs. And what were those other jobs? Well, I worked in a lot of restaurants, bar back, busboy.
I delivered burritos.

Speaker 1 Wow. You know, I oh, yeah, I heard your ruffle when he was bartending.
It was kind of a similar time around when I was 28, 29. I started working more as an actor, started doing movies and stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But delivering burritos on a bicycle was my last job. No shit.
What do you go furthest back with

Speaker 1 of the actor buddies that you

Speaker 1 still have? Like, do you go back furthest with

Speaker 1 crude up or

Speaker 1 crude up and Thoreau and I were together during 9-11 and we knew Phil and

Speaker 1 very happy for Jeffrey Wright and Paul Giamani and Tracy. That's Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Philip Seymour Hoffman, yes.

Speaker 1 We don't really mention, as you probably know, we don't really like to mention Thoreau on this podcast. So let's cut that.
That's funny. We'll go back.
We'll trim that.

Speaker 1 He's kind of persona non-G around here, you know? Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 I'm going to

Speaker 1 give you a message. He said,

Speaker 1 you could ask Arnette this question from a listener in New York named Justin T. Will, when you buy button-down shirts, do you

Speaker 1 take them to someone to remove the top five buttons? Or do you just buy them pre-removed? Also wondering, what's your nighttime, let me get this right, decaluge routine? Love the show.

Speaker 1 Keep up the good work. Oh, my God, that's so true.
Well, that's rich coming from a guy that removes his sleeves.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize you don't usually button. You don't have any buttons.
Is that true? Yes, what do you call it? Is that called a Burt Reynolds? You mean like you go like that? Yes. I do.
I do.

Speaker 1 If I'm wearing a button shirt, I do a lot of this.

Speaker 1 You know what? You know what I mean? Because you think people, like you're doing people,

Speaker 1 you've got to give people what they want.

Speaker 1 This is a world, you have to understand that we are always transmitting and receiving. And so I'm putting out and I'm also receiving.
And so I feel from the world

Speaker 1 they want to get more skin. Sammy knows what I'm talking about.
Oh, my God. Yeah, you got to do it.
All right, Sammy. Lawn Dogs.
Yes. Talk about skin.
Yeah, lots of skin on that. I know, right?

Speaker 1 Wait, so you received critical acclaim

Speaker 1 and your performance was like incredible. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that movie. Those were the days I had.

Speaker 1 I've not heard of Lawn Dogs. London, you got to see it.
It's so good. Yeah, I get naked and

Speaker 1 boy, I was in good shape back then.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that the thing you think kind of opened the doors for you? The porn? Yeah, I think so. I think that

Speaker 1 was one of them. I did Safe Men with Paul Giamanni, Ruffalo, Dinkledge.

Speaker 1 I was going to say Safe Men that Hamburg, right? Isn't that nice? You know, Safe Men, yeah. It's a little, yeah.
It's a little gem, I think.

Speaker 1 I knew those guys. I knew some of those guys because those guys who produced it, I think they were the same dudes who made a

Speaker 1 buddy steps movie that I did. Anyway, great guys.
And then Box and Moonlight was those three kind of

Speaker 1 Moonlight helped me get... And then Galaxy Quest and Bring Miles sort of helped me.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about Galaxy Quest. It was one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 1 Dude, I saw Safe Men. I really love Safeman, by the way, and I knew a lot of those dudes.
But then when you did fucking Galaxy Quest, Rockwell,

Speaker 1 you absolutely destroyed

Speaker 1 a nice guy. I auditioned for the Enrico calling.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Still waiting to hear.
You're not right for it. I know I'm not right for it.
Well, they agreed, but I'm just saying that.

Speaker 1 So wait, this is from. So

Speaker 1 your character guy Fliegman, right? Yes. He was so, you were so fucking great.
Fuck. It was like a pick-me-energy.
This is from Scotty, okay? Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Scotty said the whole bit about you not wanting to be sent down first, your character, like whenever you go to a planet.

Speaker 1 Those characters always die. That was a reference to Star Trek.
You probably know this. Star Trek and the red shirts.
Yes. They're expendable.
But a lot of people don't know that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 That in Star Trek, whenever Spock and Kirk would come to a planet. That's right.
They would always send these guys down first, and they would always die. It was such a funny thing.

Speaker 1 I just kind of stole my performance from Bill Paxton and Aliens, but pretty much. Hey, Sean, just widening out.

Speaker 1 I just want to see if I can see them, make out the Mountain Dew on your desk, if it's possible.

Speaker 1 Wow. The fucking monsters.
The Star Trek cosplay outfit.

Speaker 1 No, but it was. You know what, though? It is true.
That was the the first time somebody sort of made that kind of joke on screen in your fucking delivery city.

Speaker 1 Fucking real.

Speaker 1 Dude, every time. We lucked out with that movie.
Sam, you're one of those guys, and I talk about this from time to time on the podcast. You're one of those people.
It doesn't matter what you're doing.

Speaker 1 It never sucks. It could be the worst.
You never suck. You could be in the worst movie, the worst play, the worst TV.
You're always

Speaker 1 because you're so committed. I fucking love that about you.
I know. I love that too.
Do you ever feel like, I was going to say the same thing.

Speaker 1 Do you ever feel like movie to movie, obviously you never know what you got or what you're in or what you have.

Speaker 1 Can you feel it by now at this point in your career as you're going day one, week one, month one, month two? You know what? I think I'm in a piece of shit. Or I think this is working.

Speaker 1 Or I think this is really working.

Speaker 1 Because I said when I did Good Night Oscar,

Speaker 1 we had an invited dress rehearsal

Speaker 1 with a bunch of kids who didn't get any of the references because it takes place in the 50s. And it was crickets the whole play.
I came home to Scotty. I said, I'm in a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 I'm in a piece of shit. Yeah.
It's always scary, isn't it? Yeah, it's scary. And the next night always scary.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a great thing. So what is your barometer on that? Like, how do you feel?

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, thank you. And right back at all three of you guys.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 I think you always think it's fucking Hamlet, right? I mean, you think it's Citizen Kane. I mean, when you're working on it.
And then at a certain point, you realize maybe it's not. And then...

Speaker 1 Yeah, it starts to take on water. Yeah, yeah.
And then you're like, oh, yeah. And then you're like, oh, shit, this could be bad.
This could be.

Speaker 1 I remember Baldwin once saying to me, Alec one says to me, he goes, you never, he goes like, you never intend to make a bad.

Speaker 1 movie he goes you know you go like you you agree to do something and you're making this movie with people and they go hey we're gonna go over here and you go great i can't wait i'm excited to go over here and then you start making it.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, you start going the other direction. You go, Hey, I thought we were going over there.
And they're like, No, no, no, no, we're going over here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And you can, yeah, sometimes it comes from watching another performance or a decision a director makes or just the general vibe on the set from the crew or whatever.

Speaker 1 And you can start to smell it, right? And you just can't get, there's nothing you can do about it because you're only doing one little piece of it. That's it.
So does it team?

Speaker 1 Does it take away the energy? And like do you start depleting yourself of kind of the yeah same chutzpah you enter i don't think you do i can you always deliver the well i think if you sign up and you

Speaker 1 you get talked i think when you get talked into something yeah and i won't mention any names but when you get talked into something that's when you're that's when it's bad you know what i mean and you try to do a fixer-upper thing on it right but you have you know willie you you said that you know that he's he fully commits and that's that's certainly part of why he's so great.

Speaker 1 But I've seen a lot of crappy actors fully commit to a crappy performance. It doesn't fix it.
I mean, he's fully committing to a performance that has that's coming from a guy with great taste.

Speaker 1 There's somehow that you have the ability to keep one eye on yourself and

Speaker 1 judge whether the choice you're making sucks or not. And you're staying away from sucky choices with the way in which you play characters.
Is that Sean? Sean, do you make a lot of sucky choices

Speaker 1 in your life?

Speaker 1 You made a lot of sucky choices.

Speaker 1 Ignore it. You know,

Speaker 1 you want to make God laugh telling your plans, right? So you just never know. You never know.
Right. But you have good taste.
Did that come from you?

Speaker 1 Did you get it from mom or dad or from watching a bunch of great stuff? You know,

Speaker 1 again, I think it's just more ego,

Speaker 1 to be frank. I think it's more like

Speaker 1 just wanting to

Speaker 1 have a big part of it,

Speaker 1 Have

Speaker 1 a reason to get up there. Right.
And doing something that you're going to want to watch. It doesn't mean that it has to be a lead role.
It can be a supporting role.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that you're going to want to be a part of. Do you watch your stuff?

Speaker 1 Are you one of those actors that can't watch it? If it's good, if it's good, it's like a home movie. If it comes on,

Speaker 1 Seven Psychopaths came on. I love that experience was really.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right here. Martin McDonough is just about the best guy in the world to work with.
He's the best, man.

Speaker 1 And Chris Walken, I'd done a play with him, and then we did the movie, and Colin, and Woody. So we had, you know, it was just a really nice time.
We had a great time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's like, isn't it like a home movie, right? When you see, it's either a bad experience or a good experience, you know. But, but what about like on set?

Speaker 1 Will you watch playback to sort of help in calibrating your performance or do you like to stay in the dark? Only if it's like

Speaker 1 mainly for the canvas or if I'm a lot of times

Speaker 1 just to get a maybe a tone and then I stay away from it. Like, and a lot of times I'm noticing if I do look at it I'm under where I used to be over the top but I'm noticing it's actually I need more

Speaker 1 and then I need to contain it I would say tell the director to bring the camera closer instead of you reaching out you know fucking if they can't see it they got to get closer you stay small or bring your own

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 bring your own. Wear one of those GoPros turned back on yourself.
When you say to see the canvas,

Speaker 1 to see the canvas and the tone are those two different things like do you mean sometimes that you actually look at it and go like

Speaker 1 because when you're in it some you don't have a sense of like the bigger picture and then when you get to see it you go oh okay okay with in terms of staging and where

Speaker 1 effect is

Speaker 1 like talking about stakes you know

Speaker 1 talking about stakes

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 interesting you know you know crude up is one of the people i've gone to uh

Speaker 1 beyond my acting coach or or my friend chris messina who you know uh i'll go to i've gone to a a lot of friends for help,

Speaker 1 Stanley, Tucci, lots of people. And,

Speaker 1 but crude up is

Speaker 1 particularly

Speaker 1 bad. So we're gonna,

Speaker 1 he's rough. Sorry, man.
I cut you off. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got to go back to NYU. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's

Speaker 1 self-pratitude. He's hard to look at.
Hard to look at. He is tough to look at.
He is tough.

Speaker 1 What are you going to say? He's he's particularly helpful? Yeah, he's very articulate about acting. He can, I went to him

Speaker 1 with American Buffalo. I was like, I was losing my saliva, literally.
I couldn't get through the speech. And I went, I said, man, I need your help, man.

Speaker 1 I gotta, I gotta, I can't get through this fucking thing. And he came over and he really, he really helped me.
He really broke it down for me. He's really smart.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 What was it, sir?

Speaker 1 What's the key to keeping your mouth nice and lubricated?

Speaker 1 Who's this for? Who's that question?

Speaker 1 Sorry, Sam. I was looking at you.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Very good question. Okay.

Speaker 1 Voice warm-ups, Sean, voice warm-ups, right?

Speaker 1 Keeping,

Speaker 1 I mean, they say bite your tongue, but

Speaker 1 I do a voice warm-up, 20-minute link later warm-up. Also, isn't it wild when you're doing a live play? Feel a lot, free a little warm-up.
Yes, that's good.

Speaker 1 When you're doing a live play, that you've created this character and this world

Speaker 1 through weeks of rehearsals, then you get up on your feet.

Speaker 1 So you created this piece of art, and you think people will know your choices like they think so for your speech for example you're like well i can't change it it's this is how it's supposed to go but people don't know that so you're like well i don't want to change but you're like hey buddy you could take the biggest pause in the world in the middle of a monologue drink a glass of water you can do any you can add anything nobody knows how it's supposed to go but in your mind you're like no no i'm compromising the role i'm compromising the part and that's the thing i always bump up against i want i once saw john Melcovich do burn this.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, me too. I saw that.
Right. So what about that

Speaker 1 opening monologue as who comes in after, you know, fucking trying to get a parking spot out in front of the goddamn building and he's fixing his hair in the mirror and he stops in the middle of this, middle of a sentence, not at a punctuation point, middle of a sentence for at least a minute while he's fucking with his hair.

Speaker 1 and then picks right back up on his monologue another minute or two, you know, talking. I just couldn't believe the balls.

Speaker 1 You know, I was a young actor watching this. I was like, oh, fuck, that's incredible what this guy does.
Incredible. Favorites.
That performance was unbelievable. Yeah.
Yeah. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 So anyway, I added two glasses of water in the scene. I'm like, I think my character should drink water now.
Yeah, no, no, I

Speaker 1 absolutely. I had a six-page mono.
Like I had the director, I said, can I have like a water fountain? He said, no. Oh,

Speaker 1 well, what can I, can I have, he says, get a lifesaver. I was in a park.
And so I was like, all right.

Speaker 1 Now, I'll ask you a real hacky question here that there is no answer for, but I'll ask anyway, you prefer doing theater over camera work?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, it's totally different. I think it's just the gym, and it's really scary, and it's like going to the gym.
Yeah. And it informs your film work, I think.
But

Speaker 1 it helps, you know, like Chris Watkin does that monologue in Pulp Fiction. I think it's because he did Hamlet and he did Rose Tattoo and

Speaker 1 Stanley Kowalski. But would you not agree that

Speaker 1 if you do a stage-level performance in front of the camera, you'd be doing too much. Oh, yeah, for sure.
Definitely.

Speaker 1 But interesting, Sam,

Speaker 1 talk about that idea. It's like going to the gym for

Speaker 1 film work.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just obviously you can't stream. You can't do a stage performance, especially the ones I've done because they're big.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, in front of a camera, that would not work. But I think all you got to do is turn the volume down, I guess.
That's, I mean, maybe that's not as simple as it sounds, but

Speaker 1 do you enjoy

Speaker 1 the bigger movement or the, or this, do you enjoy getting super, super small and letting the camera find the little spots? I prefer being small even on stage. I don't want to get big on stage.

Speaker 1 In fact, I think that's the trick of, but I've never done a musical, so I don't know. That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1 But I think keeping it real and still being loud with your, and still being able to hit the back row with your voice is a trick, you know. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Phil Hoffman taught me a lot about that. I mean,

Speaker 1 it sounds name-droppy, but he also is somebody who he directed me in a play, and he was very,

Speaker 1 you know, but no, but listener doesn't want to hear about process.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 they do. They'll listen to whatever.
They have to listen to whatever the fuck we tell them.

Speaker 1 Really? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 By the way, the podcast, it's free.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they cannot listen.

Speaker 1 If they want.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. What the fuck?

Speaker 1 I love hearing you talk about this shit.

Speaker 1 Well, Phil, you know, Phil was the, he was, you guys. He was,

Speaker 1 I'm envious that you guys knew him and I didn't.

Speaker 1 But tell me about,

Speaker 1 do you like doing, I love that whenever you're doing a like a lead role in a film, I just like, cause I'm just, I want more of you at all times. I love you.

Speaker 1 But oftentimes the lead role is not as spicy or as fun as

Speaker 1 some of the secondary or tertiary roles. What's your, what's,

Speaker 1 do you have a preference? Yeah, you know, I think that's something,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 here we go with the name drop shit. But Clooney, I think.

Speaker 1 George Clooney. George Clooney.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Clooney's not a name drop here.

Speaker 1 But Clooney taught me a lot of, you know, because I'd come in with all these props and all these, I'd be schmacking it up. And.
Well, you were the lead in his first film?

Speaker 1 And I was the lead in the film. And he's like, hey, man, you know, we can't do Bozo the Clown every scene.
You know, we got to like.

Speaker 1 but I was like, you know, Zero Mustel in there. I mean, by the way,

Speaker 1 one of the great actors, Zero Mustel. But, you know, he said, you know, too many props and like, let's just keep it, you're the, you're the lead guy here.
You got to like keep it simple.

Speaker 1 And I learned a lot from him about that.

Speaker 1 It's, it's true because it's a canvas, right? So you're not necessarily the color red all the time.

Speaker 1 You know, Kevin Costner and Dances with with Wolves, I mean, he's, you know, they got other people providing those colors. Yeah, you got to really

Speaker 1 suss that out when you read the script and you talk about it and you develop it and you show up. You're like,

Speaker 1 where do I fit? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you have to be, sometimes you have to be a blank canvas, right? If you're the lead in a certain way, you have to be able to let other colors.

Speaker 1 Jason, obviously, has been a blank canvas to me for so many years. He's been this off-white mayonnaise sort of eggshell color.

Speaker 1 Well, I think Jason's performance in Identity Theft is

Speaker 1 now you love Identity Theft.

Speaker 1 Let's walk through Identity.

Speaker 1 Let's show a clip.

Speaker 1 We'll just show a real quick clip. Let's go to Cliff.
It's pretty amazing. By the way,

Speaker 1 I will say, I love Identity Theft as well. I've told Jason that before.
It's a fucking great identity movie thing. It's really good, man.
Identity Theft.

Speaker 1 But the other one I like a lot even more than what I saw recently, and I've told him, is Game Night. Have you seen fucking Game Night? Game Night's a good movie.
Jason is

Speaker 1 going to need to see that. I need to watch it.
Oh my God. It's so good.
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 Jason is so funny. Jason is hilarious.

Speaker 1 And he knows how to play stakes, right? Dude. Still be like, you know.
Dude,

Speaker 1 it is a great movie. That movie holds up to multiple viewings.

Speaker 1 That's one of my favorites. By the way, Game Night is one of the most,

Speaker 1 is one of the last great. I haven't seen a great film comedy since Game Night.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Game Night.
It's

Speaker 1 not even kidding.

Speaker 1 those guys it's gonna be your new identity

Speaker 1 Sam you have not seen it yet right I haven't seen it no so good it's not bad oh it's Rachel McAdams Horrible Bosses I've seen I've seen the one you've been pissing the pond and oh yeah the old magic pond with uh with Ryan yeah that's you know who's really funny in that movie Billy Magnusson yeah that guy's a real talent he is hilarious yeah he's really good

Speaker 1 and And Sharon Horgan's in it, too. Sharon Horgan is amazing.
Kyle Chandler, that from Friday Night Lights.

Speaker 1 How great is that?

Speaker 1 Fucking Sam's with us. Sam, think about all his name.

Speaker 1 Game night. I'm on it.

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Speaker 1 So wait, Sam, I... You guys haven't said anything about my shirt, my t-shirt.

Speaker 1 I was trying to read it. I couldn't see it, and I wasn't.

Speaker 1 Sorry, that's bad frame. I am serious, and don't call me.
Wait, he's wearing tan pants, and for a second, I thought he was shirtcocking, that he just had a shirt.

Speaker 1 Wait, Sam, what is the shirt for? Shirtcocking is a real.

Speaker 1 It's an airplane shirt that says, I'm serious, and don't call me shirtcock. Don't call me Charlie.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it.
It's a great team.

Speaker 1 I mean, they should redo that movie, right? I mean, there's a whole, not because it needs to be redone, but just because there's a whole new generation or three around now that haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 Will's upset. I'm against the reboots.
I'm against the reboots all the time. You just haven't watched the old one, right? I watched the old one, and

Speaker 1 maybe it's not as quick or it doesn't cut as fast, but it's good. It's got value.
And then let's do some new stuff. Leslie Nielsen.
Let's create stuff now that people 20 years will say, let's reboot.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? There's so much of the same shit. No, no, no.
Let me go on a fucking tirade.

Speaker 1 Wait, Sam. By the way,

Speaker 1 guess who Sam worked with a couple of years ago? You guys are going to blow both of your minds. Leslie Nielsen.
No, it's a friend of the show. It's one of the great names of the show.

Speaker 1 It's one of the all-time references of the show. Cream and Wilder Barr.

Speaker 1 He comes up on the show all the time. I talk about him all the time.
Chappie? Chappie, Mark Chappell, who wrote See How They Run. Oh.

Speaker 1 Chappie's one of my best pals, and he's my caretor.

Speaker 1 He is great and must be giving Will at least $10,000 every time his name is. Chappie comes up a lot on the

Speaker 1 recurring on the show

Speaker 1 in London.

Speaker 1 Get the scissors out, guys. Sean, drive the interview.
We're not cutting.

Speaker 1 Great scripts. See how they run.
Yeah, so Moon, when you did Moon, I loved Moon.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was just you. God bless you.
God bless you. I loved that movie so much that Duncan Jones knows how to direct huh? I know yeah go go back and talk about like I know we were it's okay.

Speaker 1 You can talk about process. That's why we're here.
Okay. I don't want to order

Speaker 1 fascinated how you what was it like day to day? Did you like the process of being the only person in the movie? Yeah. Like Tracy,

Speaker 1 this is a movie where he's the only guy in it and he's he's he's stuck on a spaceship. It's stunning.
It's stunning. It's incredible.
Really good movie. Thank you.
Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, my acting coach, the first thing he says, watch buddy movies. He said, watch

Speaker 1 Midnight Cowboy, I watched, and I stumbled a lot from Midnight Cowboy. And then, you know, Rachel Weiss just did a reboot of Dead Ringers, which is fucking amazing what she did.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And I was watching the Jeremy Irons one. That was the best time, the best version of that trick I had seen.
And I listened to the DVD commentary.

Speaker 1 And there's a very noisy camera called the motion control camera that's used for that gag

Speaker 1 to get two people in one frame. And

Speaker 1 it's a very weird process that I could go into.

Speaker 1 It was a little bit. Well,

Speaker 1 it was a lot about timing.

Speaker 1 The sound guy would put

Speaker 1 the previous take, the master, on my iPod. And while I was going to hair and makeup for the other one, I would listen to it.
So the ping-pong scene would be a timing thing.

Speaker 1 So when I went back to the other clone. So you're acting against yourself.
Acting against yourself. And so

Speaker 1 I would listen to the sounds. So like if

Speaker 1 he dropped the handle of the paddle like that, the other clone would retract because he's coming towards him. So I'd have to listen for that.

Speaker 1 And I know how many beats you have to wait before you speak.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he was saying, Duncan was like, don't add lip, don't add lip. But if you could add lip if you fit it in the window.
Right. Right.
The timing.

Speaker 1 You know, you could change the line, but it have to be that time, you know. And I wonder if today,

Speaker 1 technologically, it would be less anti-Tom Hardy did a good job with it, too.

Speaker 1 But it's tricky.

Speaker 1 It's tricky, and it's a lot of work.

Speaker 1 And talking about paying attention, you have to pay attention to the scene as it is, but now you really got to pay because you're also trying to

Speaker 1 pick up on timing. Another thing.

Speaker 1 Did it scratch an itch in a way that you didn't know? Like, were you, was it satisfying on a certain scene? Absolutely. If you're a narcissist and a director, a closeted director,

Speaker 1 you know, you have control of the scene, obviously, for obvious reasons.

Speaker 1 And Jeremy Aaron's talked about contrasting energies. So one twin in Dead Ringers was aggressive and Rachel Weiss did the same thing very well.

Speaker 1 One was more timid. And so we had to do that.
That was the trick was having contrasting energies. And so one was a clown and one was more together.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you can control the scene. In fact, we'd have two rehearsals.
The AD would go, you know, hey, okay, go to Hero Megaway. So, Mick, you know, we got to do the other rehearsal.

Speaker 1 We got to do the other one. So, you'd rehearse twice, you know,

Speaker 1 before you went. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you'd rehearse both sides before.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
And then I had a body double guy who was also an actor. And then the other line was coming to you through

Speaker 1 an earwig. Yeah, an earwig.
And sometimes you'd be looking at a tennis ball. Sometimes the actor who kind of looks like you from the back.
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's a contemplative, sort of melancholy, dramatic movie. Yes.
Do you,

Speaker 1 again, another brain-dead question, but do you have a preference about drama versus comedy?

Speaker 1 Well, it's funny you say that because it was a little too serious. And I said, we got to get some jokes in the beginning because it was so dark.
It was like Edgar Allan Poe.

Speaker 1 And we got some jokes in because we're going to lose the audience because he gets so depressing. Yeah, but then there's

Speaker 1 the risk of

Speaker 1 setting the wrong tone for that, which is going to come, right? So there's a balance there. I remember I was like, I was super precious and annoying and overly sensitive about

Speaker 1 any sort of humor going into Ozark. You know, the writers have these great sort of moments of levity in the first season.
How did you find a compromise eventually?

Speaker 1 Well, once we established that, you know, this Jason Bateman show is not going to be a comedy, once the audience knew that after the first season, I felt more comfortable about, you know, making sure did you watch a serious question did you watch after asking them to sort of erase all that did you watch it when once you got to post where you're like fuck I wish there was a moment there

Speaker 1 I didn't you miss it a little bit I don't mean a goofy thing but at least a little bit of contrast the I was too sort of paranoid about being you know it being taken seriously in the first year that I didn't I didn't worry about that but the second year I was like yeah anyway sorry talk about fucking me again

Speaker 1 it's fucking great Sam

Speaker 1 what do we got to do to have you working? The scene where you beat the guy up in the car is fucking fucking great. What about you earned that? You earned that.

Speaker 1 What about, how do we get you, how do we get you working 12 months a year so I, as a Sam Rockwell fan, can have more to enjoy? That's a great thing. I mean,

Speaker 1 I think I have to, because you're balancing theater and

Speaker 1 film. So I got to go to New York to see you sometimes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. Which I'm coming.
I'm coming this weekend for seven months. So get ready.
Yeah. Okay.
All right. We're going to do some hanging.
Thoreau. Crewed up.
We're all waiting.

Speaker 1 So wait, Sam, what's the, you know, when you, we're talking about all these kind of preps, things for roles and different movies.

Speaker 1 Do you have a thing that you first do when you either walk on a set or prepare for a character? Do you have like a go-to, any kind of superstition thing like we do in theater?

Speaker 1 No, it all comes out of fear. trying to memorize the script and panic and you know and then you go to a go see my coach terry Knickerbocker, or I go.

Speaker 1 Uh, and sometimes you have time to do research, sometimes you don't. And you might have the luxury of a few months, and then you would do research, like three billboards or something.

Speaker 1 I did research, but like, you don't always have the time to do that, so you're kind of like, just like, all right, I'm an arms dealer.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm gonna watch Bill Burry and Kingpin. That's it, that's my research, you know.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 But are you like, like Billy? Because Billy talks about it, and you know, you guys know, like, Billy likes to spend time with the, with the dialogue

Speaker 1 for weeks. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you see the one-man show he did? Jesus Christ.
It's a lot of dialogue. I missed it.
But

Speaker 1 are you good at learning your lines? Are you quick?

Speaker 1 No. Terrible.
I need to learn

Speaker 1 a lot of time. Yeah.
Yeah. I need a lot of time.

Speaker 1 Have you always been terrible?

Speaker 1 I mean, I tape the monotone.

Speaker 1 That's a Meisner thing, but I tape them and I run them with a reader, an actor.

Speaker 1 I think Billy does a a similar thing.

Speaker 1 Billy's smarter than me though. He knows how to, he really breaks his shit down.

Speaker 1 My partner does too, Leslie. Her script is like really organized.
Mine looks like a kindergartner roton.

Speaker 1 I'm always fearful that I'm going to, if I really, really work on it and I do a bunch of research and all that stuff, that I'll end up acting.

Speaker 1 that all of that is is to do the greatest acting job ever as opposed

Speaker 1 but that that's my own bullshit you put work in i do put a lot of work into it but

Speaker 1 there's a list of techniques and homework stuff that I used to do when I was a kid and went to acting classes and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And I found that I was so proud of the work that I had done that I was hell-bent on making sure the audience saw that work. I understand that.
Yeah. I mean, I don't like backstory.

Speaker 1 That's a thing I don't really care about. Yeah.
I don't, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 But important for some actors. Everyone's going to be doing it.
But it didn't work for me. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I think it depends. You know,

Speaker 1 It depends if it makes an imprint on you.

Speaker 1 You can get an ad lib from somebody, a real person.

Speaker 1 Do you ever get a,

Speaker 1 I was going to ask, Sean, get into like sort of the difference with you, Sammy, as well, about then when you're working on stage, then you have the sort of the luxury of time to work on that and you understand and you have the facility with the dialogue because you've been working on it for months.

Speaker 1 But before I get into that, have you ever had the thing where I've had a couple of times where like a guy, like a member of the crew will go, well, like between tapes and go, hey, you know what I thought it'd be really funny if you said?

Speaker 1 And I'd go, what's that now?

Speaker 1 Like pitching me a joke or like a different way to say a joke? And I'd be like, what up? And then, and it's not bad. And they go, I just thought it'd be really funny if you said this.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay, man.

Speaker 1 Well, I thought it'd be really funny if you move the fucking C-stand over there.

Speaker 1 But what if it's a good idea, you dick? No, I'm kidding. I'm being a fucking idiot.
Actually, Actually, it should be. I'm just saying that just to be funny.

Speaker 1 The truth is, I've actually had some pretty good pitches before from like sound dudes. And there was a boom operator that I knew, this guy, Tom, who was really fucking funny.

Speaker 1 Jay, do you remember that dude, Tom? Yeah. And he was super funny.
And every once in a while, like between takes, he'd go like, hey, you know what? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And I'd go, fuck, that's fucking great. And I'd use it.
I'd be like, thank you. Give him a little wink.

Speaker 1 What if an actor does it? You know, what if another actor does it? And then you're like, oh, fuck, that's a fight. I'm always like, best, best, whatever.
Yeah. If it works, it works.

Speaker 1 I don't mind that. I never mind a line reading from a director either because you're always going to make it your own.
No, but you know what? There is that thing.

Speaker 1 And I will, and I will not say who this is, but there are, there are things before where, like, an actor might say to you, like, hey, you know, it'd be really great. Say this.

Speaker 1 And they'll in rehearsal and they'll say it to the director as you're doing a rehearsal. So you're at that point,

Speaker 1 you go like,

Speaker 1 everybody's kind of waiting for me to do his pitch. That he said out loud.
You do it

Speaker 1 and then they laugh.

Speaker 1 I see, isn't that amazing? And you're so embarrassed.

Speaker 1 Well, that brings me to my thing about directing is I think, I was thinking, Jason, I don't know what you do with actors, but I feel like you're really good with actors.

Speaker 1 But I don't know when a director screams a direction across a long distance, you know, over the crew. It's kind of telling the whole crew that the rabbit's going to come out of the hat before it does.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 you're like, hey, man, there's a lot of pressure to take the rabbit out of that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Right. And then you end up

Speaker 1 adjusting your reading to make it surprising for the crew when it's not really the reading that would be right for the audience at home.

Speaker 1 I kind of want a conspiracy with the director. Yeah, I want to learn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whispering.

Speaker 1 Sam, what do you do when all of this is, when we're not talking about this and you're not doing this? What do you do? What's the hobby?

Speaker 1 What would our listeners

Speaker 1 be excited to learn that you do this?

Speaker 1 Well, somebody,

Speaker 1 I think maybe Thoreau just told me potato chips are not a protein, which is

Speaker 1 alarming.

Speaker 1 I was during the pandemic, you know,

Speaker 1 I got into some potato chips. No, you know, I overwork out and then I over eat, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I do, that's what it's, I'm kind of compulsive.

Speaker 1 What's your exercise of choice? Are you a jogger? Everything. Like, I might hit hot yoga or I might with weights, or I go.
I got the soul cycle here, hit the mitts, you know, that kind of shit.

Speaker 1 And that's all to facilitate your snacking. All to facilitate.

Speaker 1 That's why I work out. A little bit of a little IPA, a little potato chip, some chocolate.
Well, you do a little, you do a little bit of the

Speaker 1 boxing, right? You do a little bit of a business.

Speaker 1 Throw got me into doing the soul cycle of boxing.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, my friend does that. Fight camp, right? And by the way,

Speaker 1 got me in shape. But now my son,

Speaker 1 what's interesting is my son, my oldest son, who's 15, Archie, because I started doing that, he got into it because sort of because of throw through somebody else. Anyway, he starts to fight.

Speaker 1 Now he's fighting with a real guy in a gym every weekend, which is crazy. Oh, he's sparring.
Your son's sparing. So he's sparring, and he's really getting into it.
He's way better than me.

Speaker 1 Don't be careful. So I know.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited to see Argyle. Should I be? Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's on a trailer. It looks incredible, and I love

Speaker 1 It's really fun. That looks like a blast to shoot a movie like a whole movie about a sweater.
Yeah, and so it's just so it starts with the idea, then the knitting, and then someone wears it.

Speaker 1 Walk me through it. You just think we're the end of it.
That's right. No, it's a lot of fun.
You guys all your heads.

Speaker 1 Do you like doing all the action stuff and the stunts and things like that? Did you get hurt at all? You must have. No, we had an amazing steamer.
He's agile, dude. He's fucking looking at him.

Speaker 1 He's agitated. Yeah, but you got to do the start of the stunt and the end of the stunt.
Yeah, right? A little bit of the kung fu fighting, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you had fun with that i i like it it's fun i i like it uh the fake stylized violence but that you know i had an amazing stunt double every time i would do something i thought i was going fast and then i'd watch him and then i look like i was in slow motion is this a stunt double you've worked with before he's amazing no i he's uh he's a prodigy his name's greg talley he he um

Speaker 1 He's like a Jackie Chan. He's from Northern England.
He's a gymnast. He was he's a double for Spider-Man.
He's 26. He was 24 when he did mine.

Speaker 1 yeah he's wow did he get hurt he did get hurt on another thing but he's fine okay he's fine yeah yeah do you ever get have you ever gotten hurt or hurt somebody doing a scene no tim roth and i kind of hit each other kind of clipped each other in a rain machine during a fight but uh

Speaker 1 it's fine nothing nothing on holiday or during a show i broke my toe talking to my agent in my house once you know what i mean like that's dubbed

Speaker 1 once sprained my finger getting into a tesla yeah

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 Sam,

Speaker 1 we took up way too much your time. Wait, babe, I want to ask you about Oscar, though.

Speaker 1 How did you get ready for that?

Speaker 1 How did you do that?

Speaker 1 What was your research for that? Well, it took a G5 to New York and then

Speaker 1 an escalade from Teterborough to the Upper West Side, I think. You really, but you nailed that guy.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a lot of, that's a lot of behavior, man. That's a lot of, that's a whole thing with the imitation.
Forget about the piano.

Speaker 1 It's a long long story and uh it took about 20 does it involve scooping uh bagels from zabars and filling them with peanut butter

Speaker 1 by the way it's endless

Speaker 1 call me on it side side zoom me all right

Speaker 1 but but really quick i did i did put on a few pounds and there was i've said this story on here before and one of the reviews in chicago where we opened it said sean's going to be great on broadway uh but they need to he needs to kill the fat suit and the plastic wig.

Speaker 1 Both my body and my hair. Yeah, you weren't wearing a wig or a fat suit.
Is that right? No, Sean. Oh, Sean.

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 1 thanks for asking, Sam. That's very short.
I'd like to hear more.

Speaker 1 But we didn't even get to be handing in Spokane or

Speaker 1 billboards, which you won the Oscar for, which I fucking blew my mind. You blew my mind.
There's so much to talk about. I will say there are very few people.
There are a lot of people.

Speaker 1 No, sorry, that's not true. I will say a lot of people are deserving of Oscars all the time, every year, and they're very, but to see you win an Oscar was so

Speaker 1 you deserve 10 of them, so fucking cool. I love you because you're so fucking deserving, dude.
You're so talented, and you're just

Speaker 1 really quick.

Speaker 1 When I was doing, you were doing behanding and spokane while I was doing promises, promises, and I went downstairs to the basement to get my haircut from a woman named, I think her name's Carmel,

Speaker 1 and I walked down getting ready for my like weekly or two bi-weekly haircut, and uh, and there you are sitting in the chair, And I was like, Holy shit, that's fucking Sam Rockwell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's he doing here? Yeah, I'm like, Why is he, why did he come here to get his haircut? I just thought that was the coolest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 Like, I was, I was, I was guffawing, I'm just embarrassed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, listener, if you're not in the entertainment industry, you need to know that this guy is the guy everybody wants to work with, be friends with.

Speaker 1 He does constantly the best performances. It's just always, it's just catnip for actors.
And the fact that we're able to even call ourselves friends with him is enormous.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, you deserve multiple statues.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I want more actors. You need to get a Thalberg right now.
You need to get a full, like the full crew. You know,

Speaker 1 right? We're going to give you the smartless Thalberg. Let's do that.
Listen, I love you guys. I love this podcast.

Speaker 1 I'm a true fan. I love you.
I'm a true fan. I know the terminology.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I love you guys. Love you too, Sam.
Thanks for watching. Love you.
Can't wait to see you soon. And the beard looks fantastic.
Yeah. Thanks, guys.
You look amazing. You look amazing.

Speaker 1 Thanks for doing this, dude.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.
And let's give Throg endless shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, please.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't hurt him. I'm not going to do it.
He hurts himself, you know?

Speaker 1 Let's be honest. All right.
Big fat love. All right.
Big fat love. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 Peace out. Bye, buddy.
Peace out. Bye, Sam.
Thank you. Bye.

Speaker 1 Oh, Sam the Rock. Shawnee, great, great.
I love him so much. He's such a good guy, too.
He's just the greatest. You know, you want to.
Well, I sound like a broken record, but I truly do.

Speaker 1 But you know, when you go like, like, Willie, when you were saying, you go through all of when I was researching him and knowing he was coming on today, you go through all of his films and his projects.

Speaker 1 You're like, bam, bam, bam, bam, hit after hit. And if they weren't like a massive hit, he was great in, like you said, he was great in it.
It's just,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 it's the result of dedicating your life like he has to a craft or an art or anything he's he also is just like no matter what part he's playing even if it's you know sort of just like you know the lead that's kind of just kind of the straight guy what he'll find a way to give that character some quirks something interesting there's there's a little bit of like sparkle to color the little

Speaker 1 sort of shades and it's easy to overdo that and overplay a character because it might not be written in the character, but he finds the right spots to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, I was going to say,

Speaker 1 I've always sort of used John Goodman as my example of the person who's amazing in everything he does, no matter what the thing is over time, right? And

Speaker 1 different volumes, different tones, dramas, comedies, Sam's in that same category and always good. He's in that like dramas, comedies, things.

Speaker 1 And like you say, Jay, like just adds color, has a little something, brings a little spark to the colour. Like it's the career that you wish you

Speaker 1 were. Of course.
Yeah, but want him I want him to be cast in leads, you know, as well as just like

Speaker 1 well, but it's not as often as they I mean, I've he and I've talked about this like that there's there's just there's a you know, there's a certain kind of sort of like

Speaker 1 sort of like a an average type of look and person and presence that studios feel comfortable with putting as the lead. They don't want anybody too definitive or

Speaker 1 specific. Well, that's because they're worried about, because they sort of think, they're always trying to anticipate what they think audiences, and they think about sort of economics.

Speaker 1 They're like, what is the thing, the prototype? The physical types. Yeah, but he can play some

Speaker 1 normal and level and just at the moments where it's appropriate for the leadership. But he's almost like too interesting in a way.
And I mean that as a compliment, not too weird.

Speaker 1 He's got so much personality. He's super smart.
He's super fucking cool. He's

Speaker 1 medic on situation. We joked about Chappie.
You should see how they run. It's a really good movie.
He's so interesting in that as this, he's the lead.

Speaker 1 He's the detective who's got all this shit going on. He's fucking.
You're like, fuck, man. This guy's just, he always brings it.
Always brings it. By the way, Iron Man 2.

Speaker 1 We didn't talk about Iron Man 2.

Speaker 1 Written by

Speaker 1 the Justin Throw. Justin Throw.
That's right. Yep.

Speaker 1 He wrote so hard, that's when the first time the sleeves came off because he was writing. Yeah.
And it smoked him off. Yeah, it was.
It was a fire, right? It was a fire.

Speaker 1 It was a wrist fire that worked his way up his face.

Speaker 1 Hey, Will, I don't know what you're doing later, but are you open to throwing me? Oh.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Can you just throw me, please? Sure, man. You want to be careful, though.
You don't want to break your arm. And if you do break your arm, you want to break it around the forearm.

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