"Natalie Portman"

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Speaker 1 It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 I have nothing. It turned out I thought that I had an open.

Speaker 1 Will thought he had a nice. Well, let's weigh in, but this is it.
No, but this is it. Yeah, this is

Speaker 1 the process. Look, we're podcasting right now.
We've got absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 By the way, this is the,

Speaker 1 we've got Bennett and Robin, Michael. Everybody say hi.
Hi.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All of us. It's like a party in your ears.
And we're trying to think of a way to start the show here before we get into the funny music.

Speaker 1 Let's take some

Speaker 1 calls. Yeah, something to figure out some suggestions.
Let's pick up that line from Des Moines.

Speaker 1 That's on line three.

Speaker 1 Caller, welcome to Smartless. What's your question?

Speaker 1 I just want to know how old you guys are. Okay, I am

Speaker 1 fuck yourself. Okay, we lost that caller.
We're picking up, oh, from Denton, Texas on line five. Good morning.
Good morning. I love it when you talk about food.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Welcome to Smartless. Smart

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Speaker 1 Hi, guys. I think that this, is this our first

Speaker 1 chat and giggle of 2024? Well, we don't want to date the episode, but yes.

Speaker 1 Well, but I mean,

Speaker 1 for us personally, we won't, the listener don't listen to this part, but I think, hey, Sean, Will, this is our first of the year, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 That's nice. Oh, it happens.
You guys look a full year older. Wait, what? Nothing.

Speaker 1 What did you guys do?

Speaker 1 How is your new year?

Speaker 1 Will Will took a lesson in

Speaker 1 social socialism? No.

Speaker 1 Socializing. Socialization.

Speaker 1 How

Speaker 1 have you been enjoying your personal life?

Speaker 1 Shawni, do you feel rested? I'm just getting sick, I think, unless it's allergies. I don't know.
Oh, it could be COVID. COVID's flying.
No, I tested it. I tested.
I don't have it.

Speaker 1 You had it before, right? I had it the first time ever, a year ago. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember it. And Willie, you still haven't had it, right? No, I still have never tested for it.

Speaker 1 I've never taken a test. Are you serious? No, I wouldn't mean I'm serious.
Of course, I've taken a million tests.

Speaker 1 No, I've never tested positive. I've been, I've had the flu, but I've never tested positive.
But I'm like, remember in the summer we thought that maybe I had it

Speaker 1 when you guys were out in Long Island, JB. I love Long Island.
Wait, who was I just talking to?

Speaker 1 Somebody at the Globes the other night who has got a fancy house out in the Hamptons pretty close to yours. And they're like, oh, boy, every time I hear her net, call it Long Island.
Long Island.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to keep it real. Listen, Will, just admit it.
You're doing real well.

Speaker 1 You've got

Speaker 1 a big-ass summer house. You've got six cars.
You've got

Speaker 1 a bunch of

Speaker 1 gold bonds down in the Seychelles. You've got six bicycles.
I tell you this, I think so. Last summer or the summer before, I was pulling into the Sag Harbor, and I was in my

Speaker 1 GMC pickup. It says Sierra AT4X, by the way.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Don't drive it.

Speaker 1 And you're trying to keep it real by saying you're driving a pickup truck, but let's be clear, it was a freebie because you are the voice of GMC. Well, it's been over 24.
It's been over 25 years.

Speaker 1 It's been over 25 years that I've been the voice of GMC trucks.

Speaker 1 Featuring the GMC Sierra with the six-functional multi-protail gate.

Speaker 1 So anyway, this guy comes up to me as I'm putting Denny in his car and he goes, oh, you really do have a GMC. And I go, what, man? I don't know the guy.
So it was a stranger.

Speaker 1 It was pretty absurd.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 wait, Sean, so you think that you're getting sick?

Speaker 1 Well, I had an endoscopy yesterday.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 1 You had a colonoscopy yesterday? No, endoscopy. Is that above the belt or below the belt? That's above the belt.
So I don't know if my throat is sore because there's something shoved down in Org.

Speaker 1 Well, of course. Yeah, yeah.
Careful, careful with the jokes right now. It's very early in the show.

Speaker 1 No, Sean's talking about going to a place where he paid money to have somebody stick something down his throat.

Speaker 1 And then he got an endoscopy.

Speaker 1 By the way, I can't even believe I walked right in. You sure did.
Hey, so what?

Speaker 1 That's what he said.

Speaker 1 What did this fella tell you was the problem? And he claimed he was a doctor. Did you check his credentials, by the way? By the way, he's the best doctor in the world, Dr.
Trayzon at Cedars.

Speaker 1 Oh, here we go. And wait, and Jay's going to love this.
I had my... Oh, where's my Invisalign? Oh, I have it.
Oh, let's wait for Invisalign. Funny, it's hard to find the Invisalign.
I had it on.

Speaker 1 You should just paint a stripe on it.

Speaker 1 Stop losing it.

Speaker 1 Don't put in your Invisalign for the podcast.

Speaker 1 No, I have to. I have to keep it wearing it.
No, No, you don't.

Speaker 1 No, I do. I have to keep it on.
He's got to wear it at all times.

Speaker 1 He's got to do the same thing. Anyway, so his name is Dr.
Trazon. And I said, he goes, do you have anything like metal in you? Do you have anything? Blah, blah, blah.
Are you all good?

Speaker 1 I said, no, I just have my plastic, you know, teeth lining thing. I guess I go, I guess you could say I have my trays on.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Yeah, it's really good.
Did he think you were flirting?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. No, but he was so sick of me making jokes.
I just made bad joke after bad joke. And I was sitting there.

Speaker 1 Have you had an endoscopy with the thing down your throat yeah i did it at the same time that i got my colonoscopy yeah so they put you like i did yeah you use the same twofold

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 are they offering a twofer right now it's the best time to do it you might as well you're already out it's the the devil lies in the sequencing you'd really want to do the endoscopy first is that correct i guess something

Speaker 1 i don't think it matters but i said but i said so i had this thing they make you bite down on this thing on your mouth to keep your mouth open right sure

Speaker 1 and so they can stick the camera down there. And so I'm sitting on my side with pillows with you know in a gown with the stand.
And I said, Bad joke after bad joke.

Speaker 1 I go, I haven't been like this since college or something like that. And he goes way in the back of the room.
He goes, Yeah, we're probably going to want to stop talking for a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's had it with you. He's totally out of you.
He's the best. He couldn't get that propofol.
He's like, double the propofol. Let's get this guy under.

Speaker 1 The best. How good is that? How the great is that when you wake up from that propofoli? Oh my god.
That little twilight? You're just like, I've never felt so good in my life. Yeah, I get real chippy.

Speaker 1 I got a bunch of jokes for the doctor. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You just, I can't stop cracking jokes. You feel bad.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, you come out of that thing and you feel light because you haven't eaten for 24 hours. Right.
And you feel rested. You've just had a 45-hour long nap.

Speaker 1 To quote somebody, the likes of which have never been seen. Oh, boy.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And then we, oh, God. Okay.
Sorry. Okay.
That's it. 10 Minutes of Patter.
Let's please get to our guest today. You fucking wrote down 10 minutes of patter or two.
No, I just looked up there.

Speaker 1 10 minutes of patter.

Speaker 1 Today we have with us a seasoned...

Speaker 1 We have a seasoned veteran of the industry. Oh.

Speaker 1 But she's not old. Uh-oh.
She has an Ivy League education with a degree in psychology, but she's never practiced.

Speaker 1 She is incredibly funny and can light up a room with her smile and her warmth, but she's known as one of our best dramatic actors.

Speaker 1 She's been a major movie star for over 30 years, but it has always been second to her interest in academics and activism. She's got an Academy Award, a couple of globes, countless nominations.

Speaker 1 She can even explain the Middle East to you or sell you some perfume. And, Sean, she can even swing a lightsaber.
Gang? Wow. What? Uh-oh.
Natalie Portman. What? Got it.
No. Natalie.

Speaker 1 I knew it. Good morning.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. You guys.
Yeah. Literally, as I revealed revealed myself, I got a thing on my computer that says low battery.
You're going to be able to

Speaker 1 sleep soon. Yeah.
One minute. Excuse me.
One minute. She's grabbing.
Oh, yeah, go get it. All right.
So, Sean, here's a little. Okay, guys, Sean, come on.
You better watch it.

Speaker 1 While she's on the Star Wars stuff, she doesn't want to talk about Star Wars, okay?

Speaker 1 Go see Star Trek. I got shit for giving you shit with the Adam Driver episode.

Speaker 1 Keep Scotty out of this fucking interview, right? And toast her coins, like, Scotty's got a question for you from down deep.

Speaker 1 To the planet, Trigulon. Putting on our heads.
Actually,

Speaker 1 you're not coming.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 1 Look at this bag.

Speaker 1 Are you all plugged in? We weren't talking about you. I'm going to do a whole move.
We're changing the background. Oh, it's so pretty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what we're exposing here is a pretty nice Zoom flare she's created at the house. Yeah, you've got a nice flare going.

Speaker 1 Beautiful flare coming in. Oh, there she goes.
We lost her. And we've lost connection.
All right.

Speaker 1 All right. Stand by.
Good till there. As Jason would say, good till there.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 1 Good to there.

Speaker 1 By the way, every time we're unrested development, we'd go and action. And somebody would go up and go,

Speaker 1 like right

Speaker 1 into the start, Jason would always go, good till there. Good to there.

Speaker 3 Never did it. Robbie, we lost her on.

Speaker 3 So that's probably the battery just.

Speaker 3 So it's going to be a second, guys.

Speaker 1 The battery just k.

Speaker 3 Yeah, battery just cut if you want to keep chatting you can but we're probably going to need her walk her through tech so

Speaker 3 all right we're back do you hear us natalie i do fans oh we do too uh one last thing it sounds a little bit uh more echoey in this room do you mind just pulling the mic a little closer maybe just a little higher if you have like some books on the desk to put it on um

Speaker 1 all right that's that better i'm really sorry y'all no no no oh no zero problem but are we gonna title this episode, How Dare You, Natalie Portman? Is that true?

Speaker 1 We're not going to do that. We workshopped that while you were gone, Natalie.
I just don't think it's sticking. We're rolling, guys.

Speaker 1 Not a problem.

Speaker 1 So, okay, so we lost you for a second, but it was just like driving over a canyon, and here you're right back. Yeah.
Oh, Natalie. Hello there.
Good morning. Oh, I love she called him Bateman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, we've worked together, so we can do last names. I can even go her slag, you know? Wow, good memory.

Speaker 1 we did a movie in which we had the same hairdo oh my god that's right so this was this was this was a family movie called uh mr magoriam's wonder emporium oh yes it came no did you really yeah it was a great script zach helm what a writer it was a good script yeah um and uh dustin hoffman was in it we had a great time with him we were in where were we vancouver in toronto

Speaker 1 in toronto that's the same thing right will vancouver toronto's kind of the same how dare you say vancouver toronto Same thing.

Speaker 1 How fucking dare you?

Speaker 1 Not kidding. The people of Toronto loathe you.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, when did this movie come out? I forgot. This was

Speaker 1 it, 90s or 2000s?

Speaker 2 2000,

Speaker 2 I want to say six, seven, something like that.

Speaker 1 Boy, it's just, how are you with dates? Arnett's just incredible with it.

Speaker 1 I swear to you, I have no, I can't tell the difference between 97 and 07. I just, I have no idea what's going on between the two.

Speaker 2 I'm with you. Yeah.
This year, I was like, if it was 2014, I would be like, uh-huh, it's 2014, yeah.

Speaker 1 Natalie, where are you right now?

Speaker 2 I'm in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are? Okay.

Speaker 1 Very good.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 I didn't get to run into you the other night.

Speaker 1 We were at the Swanky Globes. Yeah.
And you were amazing up on stage.

Speaker 1 What about doing

Speaker 1 the presenting stuff? How do you like that? There's always some patter, some little quippy joke you got to do. And it's so stressful.

Speaker 2 I never like it what about you i was very lucky that they didn't try and make me do anything like

Speaker 2 funny quirky right we just kind of said the nominees

Speaker 1 because i get really uncomfortable with that yeah that's the best that's the safest way to go because some people who try to do something that they don't feel comfortable it shows right yeah i once had to carry a zonceri out on stage at golden globes once that was part of our bit i don't remember what what followed that but i just remember carrying him out and and like literally smelling my SAG card burning in my back pocket.

Speaker 1 I just felt like oh that's over. There it is.
What year was that Jason?

Speaker 1 Forget it. Moving on.
So so he doesn't know. He doesn't know.
Natalie Portman, my God, it's so great to have you here.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 1 where do we even

Speaker 1 start with oh I've got a series of questions if you want me to start.

Speaker 1 Start on a lot of things. I've done some prep.
The last time I saw you Natalie, I was interviewing as the guest host of the Jimmy Kimmel show. Yes, and it was super fun.

Speaker 1 Not so long ago. I know, it was like a year ago.
Wait, wait, so you were the guest and Sean was the host? Yeah. Come on.
Yeah. And how hard was it masking the disappointment that Jimmy wasn't there?

Speaker 1 Yeah. For the entire...
Well, she's got skills.

Speaker 1 She's got an award to prove it.

Speaker 2 It was a delight. It was, it was.

Speaker 1 It was for Thor. And if you remember, Scotty, my husband, did some bit with you in the, he was dressed as Thor in the audience.
It was great. Oh, what a highlight for Natalie.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 You were probably like, oh, God, I got to do a bit.

Speaker 2 I think about it often.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Do you remember your questions? Do you remember your questions for her, Sean, at all? God, I don't.

Speaker 1 I don't. I was enamored.
I'm enamored. I'm such a massive fan.
Like, and so many things you've done. She's good.

Speaker 2 But yes, I think you asked me about how I got my muscles for Thor.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. How did you get your muscles? Tell us.
We didn't see the episode. CG.

Speaker 1 No, really? No, no yeah no i don't buy it i you you you train what didn't you like i i worked out yeah

Speaker 1 you didn't have four levels

Speaker 2 well they made me six four

Speaker 1 which is pretty or or they made you six great to know that that's possible yeah yes now on that reminds me uh during my incredible research for this when you did black swan you went now you studied ballet when you were a kid but when you you did like six months of training for that i want to say yeah it was actually almost a year

Speaker 2 of training. And yeah, it was really fun.

Speaker 1 Because you had to or you wanted to? Like,

Speaker 1 what kind of actor are you? Do you love to do the research or do you just like to kind of wing it?

Speaker 2 I think it depends what the research is. I mean, like, I mean, if I'm lucky enough to get to work on something that I want to learn all the stuff.
Right.

Speaker 2 That's like the most fun.

Speaker 1 Like Jackie, like that was a huge responsibility. You had to study, study, study, study, and make sure you got that as accurate as possible.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's super scary. Have you played real people before?

Speaker 1 No, I'm too much of a coward. I'd say no to all of, I mean, even things that are even close.

Speaker 1 Although, I, in air, I played a real guy, but no one has any tape on him, so I could just kind of do whatever I wanted to do. You do a real great impression of your uncle, too, right?

Speaker 1 That nobody knows,

Speaker 1 including me.

Speaker 1 How do you expect him? He doesn't even know who he is. How do you expect him to

Speaker 1 be another person?

Speaker 2 I feel like we kind of glided over that too quickly.

Speaker 1 His name is John, and he's a fantastic man.

Speaker 1 Remember Pete Sarah Fitterich? It just makes me think.

Speaker 1 Remember, Pete Sarah Fitterich did that thing years ago where he did 50 impressions in one under a minute, and they were all of fictitious people, which is the best.

Speaker 1 We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 And now back to the show.

Speaker 1 I want to ask just a question about the globes again, about the award shows in general, because you look so I love your dress on the Golden Globes by

Speaker 1 beautiful. And do you like, do you like, it's a common question, but do you like the dress up and this and all of that as far as globes?

Speaker 1 Would you like, you know what, I do it, but I'd rather be home in my sweats or do you enjoy it?

Speaker 2 You know, I used to think it was kind of oppressive and like, why do women have to spend all this time and discomfort?

Speaker 2 And, you know, the men get to like roll out of bed and wear something they're warm in and like

Speaker 2 aren't, you know.

Speaker 2 sucking in their stomachs or whatever. And now having kids, I feel like it's a pretty, it's pretty fun to like have people like make you feel good and

Speaker 1 go glam.

Speaker 2 Go glam after you're just like...

Speaker 1 I don't think you own sweats.

Speaker 2 I own so many sweats.

Speaker 1 Do you really?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I really kind of only wear them in real life, which has been, we moved to Paris last year and you really can't wear sweats in Paris.

Speaker 1 You do get kicked out of the country.

Speaker 1 You just get your visa taken away. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Do you live in Paris now?

Speaker 2 I live in Paris now, yeah wow yeah yeah i mean what a switch yeah it's a really different lifestyle now what how many how many languages do you know um i speak hebrew and english obviously english and my french is like fine like i can do everything i need to do it's just not grammatically correct or sophisticated in any way That's okay.

Speaker 1 At least they're not judgy. Hey, did you did you know any of it before you moved there?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I took it in high school.

Speaker 1 But like how many years? I took it in high school too, but I can't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I took it like four years.

Speaker 1 Well, that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You didn't do it like I did where you take French one and French two twice because the first time you took them, it didn't count towards your credits. And then I was like, oh, you know what?

Speaker 1 Now that it's credits, I'll just take the two years that I already know so that my class is easy.

Speaker 2 That's a dumb guy.

Speaker 1 That's smart. Yeah.
It's a complicated language.

Speaker 1 It is. Why?

Speaker 1 Willie,

Speaker 1 you know it fluently, don't you? I do speak a lot of French, yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I don't want to, listen, I'm not, it's not here.

Speaker 1 Ask her a question in the show off. Ask her a question in French.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to hear that. Let's hear it.
Let's have a look at that.

Speaker 2 Oh, jabit aux cétiem.

Speaker 1 Ah, dracour.

Speaker 1 She lives in the 70s.

Speaker 1 But when you come back to LA,

Speaker 1 do you love LA? Because I feel like I don't love L.A. when I'm here, but when I come back here, I'm like, oh, I'm just used to it here.

Speaker 1 I'm used to a good thing here, and I'm reminded how much I really do enjoy this city.

Speaker 2 I do love LA. I mean,

Speaker 2 I love LA because I feel like you discover it.

Speaker 2 It's not an obvious city.

Speaker 1 Because you're always driving.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you have to find the good stuff. You know, like a city like Paris or New York announces itself, like you can just, here you've got to kind of like search and find the good,

Speaker 2 good, interesting stuff.

Speaker 1 There's lots of it. You're like, oh, I've been driving by that cool little restaurant my whole life and I never stop.
Yeah. Have you ever been to the Huntington Gardens in Pasadena?

Speaker 2 I was there yesterday.

Speaker 1 You're kidding.

Speaker 2 That's my favorite place in the city.

Speaker 1 Yeah, mine too.

Speaker 1 Wait, I've never been. Will you guys take me? Yes.
And I'm kind of a garden nut.

Speaker 2 You've never been?

Speaker 1 Oh my god, don't shout. I think that's so exciting.

Speaker 2 You're going to have like the best, best discussion.

Speaker 1 Wait, don't you think that's weird that you just said that and I brought up up the garden shay don't sell yourself short you're not a garden nut you're just a nut yeah that's true many different nuts but what it is

Speaker 1 do they have a japanese garden there because i may have been there to look at that they do and wait what's the no truly because there was a moment where i was doesn't know so into a Japanese garden that I went to go look at a few

Speaker 1 and there's one at UCLA I went and looked at and then maybe there is maybe it was a Huntington Gardens the other one.

Speaker 2 What's the

Speaker 2 Chris Farley Beverly Hills ninja?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, sure. Shot at the Japanese garden when they go to Japan.

Speaker 1 Really? Just the Huntington Gardens. It's so bad.

Speaker 1 No way. Oh, my God.
It's too important.

Speaker 2 Just maybe have her rewatch before you go.

Speaker 1 I will.

Speaker 1 But I sometimes, Natalie, I sometimes go there alone just because I love it. I love walking around.

Speaker 2 It's the best place in the city.

Speaker 1 I love it there so much.

Speaker 2 The desert garden is like walking on the moon.

Speaker 1 And then you know what I do afterwards? I go to the Pie and Burger for a burger and a piece of pie. Clever.

Speaker 1 Only a few blocks away. Call me before you do these these

Speaker 1 semi-suicidal walkabouts.

Speaker 1 You know, I'll walk with you. Okay, come.
I'd love it. I would love it.
It's so peaceful and beautiful. Sean, what do you think about?

Speaker 1 What do I think about what? Yeah, when you're walking through the garden,

Speaker 1 what you're going to have on the burger.

Speaker 1 What is your goat's kind of pie? What is your goat's pie? I think about Natalie Portman. I think about what she's doing right now.
We're calling together.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we should do this together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would love it. It's so fun.
Sean, what's up? I love Sean.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jason, how great would it be to be walking in the Japanese garden hunting garden and run into Sean and Natalie walking?

Speaker 1 Holding hands, walking through the Japanese garden.

Speaker 1 I would look around for where is a camera. What are you guys shooting? Yeah, right, sure.

Speaker 1 All right, Natalie, let's get into the teeth of this interview here. God, it's going to be hard-hitting.
Let's see here. It's all on Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 No, what, what, what, what, because mom nor dad were into the business, right?

Speaker 2 No dad's a fertility doctor.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah Mom's a painter. Right.
You see did you see our father?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 Is that like one of those bad fertility doctors? It sounds

Speaker 1 crazy. No, it's not your dad.
I'm just saying it's a really interesting documentary.

Speaker 2 I remember there was a TV movie when I was

Speaker 2 little where everyone, they realized that the fertility doctor was like messed up because everyone had the eye patches at the playground. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they realized that there was like one, one genetic donor for all of the children in the neighborhood. So all the kids had eye patches.

Speaker 1 Nightmare.

Speaker 1 So what, so what, was it, was it,

Speaker 1 well, wait, so you, you're minding your own business.

Speaker 1 Somebody saw you in a store or something. They said, hey, do you want to be a

Speaker 1 kid model? You were like, no, but you did think, Well, maybe I'll go get an agent and start doing commercials, maybe.

Speaker 2 Jason, you know so much about me.

Speaker 1 But but that's but that's not accurate, right? It's like kind of I'm around the facts, but not really nailing them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I really liked um, I was 10 years old.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I like,

Speaker 2 I'm from Long Island. I'm from the real Long Island.

Speaker 1 I'm not out there where all you elites are.

Speaker 2 I never went to the Hamptons until I was like 35. Me neither.

Speaker 1 Johnny Reinhard.

Speaker 1 Me neither. By the way,

Speaker 1 for what it's worth.

Speaker 2 I grew up in like the mall.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah, a lot of kids I grew up with were like auditioning and doing commercials and stuff to make money for college. And I told my parents, like, I want to do that too.

Speaker 2 And they were very reluctant because they are just like, you know, kids who are actors end up.

Speaker 1 in like jobs in liquor stores. Yeah.
Like man. End up in trouble.
Yeah. Look at it.
A golf addiction.

Speaker 2 And yeah, and I convinced them to let me, and then they let me.

Speaker 1 But it was purely to finance a future education. Like it wasn't, you didn't have like something.

Speaker 2 I didn't even. It was just because I wanted to.
I mean, my dad, my dad, like insisted on paying for my college and stuff anyway. So it was just really fun for me.
And yeah.

Speaker 1 And did you start with, did you start selling cereal? And

Speaker 2 I never got commercials. I always tried out.

Speaker 2 Really? And I never got anything anything like

Speaker 2 of the children's things. I just got straight into the professional.
That was

Speaker 1 number one. And that was Luke Basan.
Wait, was that your first job?

Speaker 2 That was my first job. That was my first job.

Speaker 1 Way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I did one. I was an understudy in an off-Broadway musical before that.

Speaker 1 That was the one thing.

Speaker 2 It's called Ruthless.

Speaker 1 Wait, and you want to know else who else was cast as the understudy in that? Lindsay Lohan. No.
Correct? No.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Britney Spears. Britney Spears.
No way.

Speaker 2 Britney Spears was the under. I took over for her

Speaker 1 when I was 10. And then I got, yeah.
That's crazy. I didn't know.
Have you seen her since? Wait,

Speaker 1 so you were 11 when you did the professional?

Speaker 2 I was 11. I turned 12 while we were shooting.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So you've seen Britney Spears since? Yes. And you guys did a little high-five about,

Speaker 1 look how far we've come.

Speaker 2 We did. We did.
We threw a New Year's party together when we were 18.

Speaker 1 No no way oh wow that's cool yes way hang on a second that sounds like a good party it was a good party you guys at 18 must that must have been like 90 99 nine 1999 good must have been an enormous party was it huge that party it was a good what month

Speaker 1 it was what month

Speaker 2 what month was what month's your birthday yeah you and oh my birthday is june

Speaker 1 i thought you were asking what month they had their new year's party in oh it was new year's oh it was new year's i thought you said it was birthday it was his birthday party.

Speaker 1 Was it a New Year's party?

Speaker 2 It was a New Year's party.

Speaker 1 Okay, so 99. Okay.
I used to love throwing parties.

Speaker 2 God damn it. Right? Remember parties? Remember when we used to throw parties?

Speaker 1 Now the only parties he throws for the kids. Yeah.
That's it. Bouncy houses.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Were you worried at all when you became a young actor and

Speaker 1 you're doing the professional, your first film job, which is insane, still insane to me?

Speaker 1 Were you worried that you would end up at certain, were your parents worried that you'd end up like on a camping trip on

Speaker 1 mountain mountain bikes with Leif Garrett? Like, did that ever, like, was that a concern for you? Like, that would be. He's taking a shot at my trajectory.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 that was a fun trip. It was a fun trip.
I know.

Speaker 1 But would, no, but were you worried, were your parents legitimately worried? Did they think like, oh, this is going to peel you away from work, from school?

Speaker 1 I'd rather, I mean, not work, but from school and that kind of thing? Is that what it was?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, they were very concerned. They would, I mean, my mom was like with me all the time and made sure that no one got near me.
And yeah, and I wasn't allowed to miss school.

Speaker 2 So I always was shooting on like vacations.

Speaker 2 And then, yeah, when I went to college, my dad was like, okay, that was cute. Time to time to move on.
Really? Let's find another job, a real job.

Speaker 1 And then when you, when you majored in psychology, was that, was that because that was the occupation that you wanted to go into or was it just like no this is something that I'm interested in and yeah I feel like it was more like most people who study psychology which is like I want to know why I'm crazy yeah

Speaker 1 I'm fascinated by it I wish I'd studied that yeah I'd have some answers I don't know but I don't you think like

Speaker 1 acting in the thing that we do is kind of a form of psychology and totally you know because it's the study of human behavior that's all we do it is very similar did you have a specific

Speaker 1 role model, mentor, ideal when you did take the time off kind of while you went to school?

Speaker 1 And the one that comes to mind potentially is Jodi Foster. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jody Foster. Did you ever talk to her about it?

Speaker 2 You know, I talked to her much later, which was amazing. I did a speech at a women's march about being like sexualized as a...

Speaker 2 as a young actress and and she reached out to me after that and we like talked and it was amazing and she's just she's yeah she's still a role model um but uh pretty cool yeah and now are you are you also like um

Speaker 1 just going back to the whole comment that you said about the being sexualized as a as a young actress and

Speaker 1 how awful that must be.

Speaker 1 Do you now have all these years having worked in the business, do you recognize a personality when they walk into the room as a dangerous one now that you have been around it for so long?

Speaker 1 Do you like, you know what?

Speaker 1 i i can see that man or woman coming towards me or we're going to work together or maybe they something else and you recognize it so you've learned to adjust or how to deal with that no no i haven't it's perfect um i feel like it's still surprising that it exists um but um

Speaker 2 yeah but i feel like that kind of like projection of seriousness protected me in a way because i feel like it was almost like a warning signal like oh don't do shit to her you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she'll sniff you out and call you out.

Speaker 2 Not that anyone ever like,

Speaker 2 you know, deserves it or is asking for it, but like you can,

Speaker 2 you know, I felt like that was my, my conscious way, unconscious way of doing it.

Speaker 2 But with people,

Speaker 2 yeah, I feel like the biggest sign is when people talk shit about women.

Speaker 2 I'm like, if they talk shit about anyone, even if they're just like, oh, she's really difficult or she's, I'm like, that's like a flag for me i'm like there's more to that story like there's and when i walk away what are they going to say about me yeah like yeah there's

Speaker 1 yeah talking in general yeah that makes sense yeah

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Speaker 1 You want to get to Star Wars, Wars, Sean? No, I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 I was going to apologize, but in advance and then say, Natalie, we're really sorry, but Sean has some shit that he says. No, no, that's okay.

Speaker 1 It has to do with the planet Voltron or whatever.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 You know how much I love you, and I love everything you've done. So I just will say like a blanket statement about Star Wars and the Marvel Universe and any kind of big movie that you're a part of.

Speaker 1 Because I grew up in Chicago with like big dreams of like going out to LA and being, you know, working as an actor.

Speaker 1 And so you get here and I still have that awe of like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm on a lot. I can't believe I'm on a set.
I can't, like, it never goes away.

Speaker 1 And so my question to you is like, having grown up in it, and Jason too, when you're a part of Star Wars or the Marvel Universe or whatever it is, are you still at all,

Speaker 1 like me, a little kid from Chicago? Like, I can't believe I'm, or are you just like, I got this job, here's the work, I'm going to show up on time and do my job. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Do you, can you separate it at all? Or are you still in awe?

Speaker 2 I'm pretty in awe. Like when I got to, I feel like it was luckier to do the last Thor because it was

Speaker 2 like I have done so much now that I can

Speaker 2 understand

Speaker 2 how different it is. Like the technology and stuff makes me amazed.
And also having kids now, getting to bring my kids to the set. And like, you know, they get to fly on wires and watch me

Speaker 1 fly. And I have a 12-year-old in the 1000s.
30 and and 40. no i'm kidding 12 and 6 is that what you said

Speaker 1 perfect love it

Speaker 1 yeah so now they're starting to well does that do you do you think about them when you when you consider parts too like oh this one i'm going to get major cred for for them oh oh yeah oh yeah like main main consideration is right what they'll think yeah yeah was there who in that who in the room uh at the at the globes do you think a selfie with would have given you the best points with your 12-year-old i mean would it have been taylor my no my 12 year old's a boy i'm like there were no soccer players in that room so

Speaker 1 right is he's a big soccer fan oh mad

Speaker 1 who's his team hang on who's his team now we're he loves rail madrid and he loves arsenal really um and psg of course of course psg sure sure and he loves mbape mbape might go to

Speaker 1 angel city here of course yeah sure sure oh right Wait, you're part of Angel City? She's a part owner in a soccer team, Willie. Yes, I know that.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I'm a huge

Speaker 1 huge huge huge house.

Speaker 2 You're a huge soccer fan?

Speaker 1 Massive. I'm a massive Liverpool supporter.

Speaker 1 Liverpool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I watch every, but I, but, and there's talk, I don't want to get into Mbappe, maybe going to Liverpool or Real Madrid. Is that right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, that's what the word is yesterday, according to Sky Sports.

Speaker 2 Hope not, hope not for us in Paris.

Speaker 1 I'm like your 12-year-old. Like, for me,

Speaker 1 it's about about athletes. Like, if somebody, if you meet all these people, but then you see an athlete and you're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to talk about. How do I, what would I say if he talks to me?

Speaker 1 I got to meet Jürgen Klopp, who's the manager of Liverpool, and I nearly cried.

Speaker 1 That was recent, too, and I'm over 50.

Speaker 1 I got like that at the Globes. I was like, you know, all those famous people.
And there's Neil Katial,

Speaker 1 who's our old solicitor general, right?

Speaker 1 I got as tongue-tied as I am right now talking about talking.

Speaker 1 He's just a real smart lawyer that is on MSNBC all the time.

Speaker 1 He's argued lots of big cases in front of the Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 That's really cool. I could study people for hours.
That's all I wanted to talk to. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Moving on.

Speaker 2 Oh, but you will be excited about this Star Wars story from the Globes. I met Mark Hamill for my first time for the first time

Speaker 2 are you kidding me first time no way he called me his mother he was

Speaker 1 wait a minute to meet my mother finally wow wait i can't believe you didn't meet him before that never

Speaker 1 but why wouldn't he have been like a consultant on phantom menace and all those other ones no he never they never brought him around and i don't know that's why i would have did somebody get a photo of that we got a photo his daughter took a picture of us together that's no way.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 That's her next appointment.

Speaker 1 Yo, that's crazy that she met him for the first time. Yeah, I wonder if anybody...

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This is...

Speaker 2 It's a UPS delivery, guys.

Speaker 1 And if you tell me she's a signal. Do you want to sign

Speaker 1 up?

Speaker 1 I think they can just leave it. She's a sign only?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so you you met Mark Hamill. This guy was like, hello, Medmin.
We're here with your cannabis.

Speaker 1 We have the whole truck. Where do you want us to put it?

Speaker 1 Your high-powered weed. Your stinky bud is here.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 So no one got a shot of Luke with his mother except. No, they did.
Somebody did. No, no, but just Luke's daughter, right? There wasn't like any media that got a shot of that.
That sounds like that.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's like a money shot, man. Wow.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 talk to me about directing. Do you love it as much as acting? Do you love it more, less?

Speaker 2 I do love it.

Speaker 2 I think I love both things. And I feel like it changes the way I act after

Speaker 1 directing. In what way?

Speaker 2 I try and do more different options because I feel like... I was always trying to like hone my perform, like do the same thing just better each time.

Speaker 2 And then when I had to watch myself back in the editing room, I was like, it's the same thing over and over again. Like, I want a choice.

Speaker 2 So then I was like, so now I try and like do different things.

Speaker 1 So a director in the editing room can be like, but then you've only got one take of you doing that particular choice.

Speaker 1 You don't have seven good versions of that choice, you know, that you play with the editing room.

Speaker 2 You know, yeah, I mean, you can, you can try and get that like main choice

Speaker 2 when you get the camera work and acting right. And then

Speaker 1 do it again. This is this is this is now the code.
I forgot to drop off the lighters. We have your lighters.

Speaker 1 So, uh, let's listen. Let's see.
Nobody coming up.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go. Yeah, go.
She's got to go side.

Speaker 1 I called it.

Speaker 1 This is fantastic.

Speaker 1 This is the best. This is the best.

Speaker 1 Hi. Hi, come.
Hi.

Speaker 2 You guys, I need to fix my life. Any

Speaker 1 pointers? I'll be over at noon. You might need a house manager

Speaker 1 that can cover IT and deliveries.

Speaker 2 Great. Awesome.

Speaker 1 I like you keeping it.

Speaker 1 We love the little pauses. Now, listen, speaking of take, after, take, after, take, and directing and stuff, it's, it's, I may, December.
You're so brilliant in that movie.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to jump all around with the movie because it was, it's, it was fascinating. And the,

Speaker 1 you know, the very last scene, hopefully, spoiler alert. Stop listening if you haven't seen the movie.

Speaker 1 But the very last scene, were you, you as the actress within the movie, the part doing take after take after take, that was so interesting. So what was going through your mind?

Speaker 1 That must have been like so surreal for you to have what we were just talking about, being a director and an actor, and then doing that.

Speaker 2 Well, it was really,

Speaker 2 yeah, that last take was, I mean, that last scene was very,

Speaker 2 I didn't really realize while I was reading it that there was gonna be like a 17-year-old kid in the scene.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, you get the set, and there's this actor, and like his mom.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, oh,

Speaker 2 and then there's like a snake, like a real snake. And I was like, I didn't think about that either.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, oh boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was written that you do take after take, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was written that way.

Speaker 2 So that's what I was thinking about. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, the whole tone of the movie, too.

Speaker 1 Like when the first, in the first, I think it was the first music queue, when she goes to the, when, when she goes to the fridge and she opens the door and there's this push-in with the music, I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 What's going on? And then you're along for the ride and it was so fantastic. And the one scene that you should win every award for, and I'm sure everybody comments on it, so I'm sorry, is it the

Speaker 1 monologue straight to camera in one take? It was just a class in like,

Speaker 1 you know, a masterclass in acting and the craft and everything. It was just

Speaker 1 perfection.

Speaker 1 Is Todd Haynes as stunning as

Speaker 1 I think he is? I love him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I love him.

Speaker 1 He is, he's, I mean, like you were saying, the

Speaker 2 music choice on that refrigerator scene is like so key to like let everyone know that it's okay to laugh, you know, because you're kind of not sure. And then it's such a tension release.
And

Speaker 2 he's just the most brilliant. I love him.
So, and he's really awesome person, too.

Speaker 1 But, like, think about all the incredible directors that you've worked with.

Speaker 1 It does set you up to be like an incredible director because you can just cherry-pick from all of them and, you know, toss out all the stuff that you don't like.

Speaker 1 Like, it's why I'm amazed when you're accurate. I've worked that too, right? Well, I haven't worked with the level of directors that you have.

Speaker 1 Your first film you ever did was with Luc Besson. I mean, that's insane.

Speaker 1 It was very lucky.

Speaker 2 It was very lucky.

Speaker 1 It's true. What a way to start.
But it's a real-time suck. And,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 Directing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, you know, he got all the prep, the shooting, and the post instead of just the shooting part.

Speaker 1 But needless to say, more to come from you with directing?

Speaker 2 I intend to, yes.

Speaker 1 I am

Speaker 2 actively working on it. What about you?

Speaker 1 I would love to.

Speaker 1 She's gone. Oh, bye.
She's gone.

Speaker 1 Hey, listener. Well, it looks like we lost Natalie for the final time, and we decided that we weren't going to call her back, right, guys? Yeah, we're not going to torture her anymore with

Speaker 1 she's clearly having some Wi-Fi issues, but we got more than enough from the incredible Natalie Portman. And I mean,

Speaker 1 she's

Speaker 1 she's she's she's just amazing. She's a powerhouse.
She can do it all. I mean, I wish.
Oh, wait, she's a mom. She's a mom.
She's an actor, an activist, a director,

Speaker 1 a Harvard grad.

Speaker 1 She's just like the nicest, funniest person. I wish you guys could both work with her.

Speaker 1 She's such a mega. You know, I use this sometimes.
She's one of those people. She falls into the mega talent category.

Speaker 1 And, you know, everything she does,

Speaker 1 everything, she's never been bad. Never been bad.
Always been classy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Never gotten all, you know, tangled up in the nonsense of this business. No.

Speaker 1 Don't you think it's weird that she she was talking about discovering places in Los Angeles and the one place I say she was just there yesterday don't you think it's weird yeah you think she's lying what no are you what are you accusing her of no i'm saying like that's so wild that i called that out

Speaker 1 of course yeah it's it's barrack so jay i'll take you to the huntington gardens you will you get the sense jay you know what you know what i like to is that you get the sense that that you're and you've done an admirable job considering that you've not only grew up doing this stuff but that you still stayed living here and this was your life and that you ended ended up quasi-normal and that she She's done it in a way that like she was very insulated by it by going back to school and by continuing with her studies and going to going to college and

Speaker 1 and that she seems to have held on to this kind of like this sort of sane center that she has that that that's what she rated you know she says that she projects like a serious friend it's not that she project she projects this uh person who seems very centered and and has a and has a solid uh yeah she's self-contained she doesn't seem like she needs anything from this business to become well you don't need validation when you don't need to be validated by what you do first of all we've talked about this before but yeah but certainly by this business

Speaker 1 forget any business but but certainly ours if you if you need that to make yourself feel better you're fucked yeah yeah you're totally fucked anyway she's she's one of the one of the great ones but i was wild it's wild that she lived in paris and here which means she's

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