"Adam Driver"

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Speaker 2 All right, here we go. Here we go.
Three, three hot mics.

Speaker 2 A good guest, I'm thinking. I'm hoping.
Sean, when was the last time you had three hot mics?

Speaker 2 That was like in my early 20s. My early 20s.
Yeah, yeah. And by the way, it was confusing.

Speaker 1 We didn't know which end was up.

Speaker 2 I bet. None of them wanted to be called Michael.
No, uh-uh. Mike, Mike, Mike.
All right. And they were all equally hot? They were all equally hot.
Okay. Well, welcome to Smartless.
Smart.

Speaker 2 Lettless.

Speaker 2 That was fun that we got to see each other today. I know, just a half an hour ago.
In person.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listener, very rarely will the three of us actually see each other in person before we start doing this. And

Speaker 2 we didn't expend any magic

Speaker 2 that we wouldn't have left for the show. Yeah,

Speaker 2 we kept it real dry. No, no, no, the magic outstave, for sure.
I got to say, Jason was not feeling well, and he was on the other side of the table at this big conference room.

Speaker 2 And I got home, I got a little tickle in my throat. You do not.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's in your head.
Do you really?

Speaker 2 My virus has great reach on it. Did it? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 But Jay, that was so, like Will said, that was so nice if you're feeling sick to go to the party on Saturday, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was nice of you. Well, but I didn't really feel it just yet.

Speaker 2 I wasn't really sure you know i would have never known you were in a good mood and and lovely on saturday jason did this game he did this game what game

Speaker 2 i was standing outside sean you had just left i we didn't see each other but jason came out and he was holding two cupcakes one was a big normal sized one one was a tiny baby one

Speaker 2 today when we just left no no no

Speaker 2 no and so he's and he's got this cut these cupcakes and he's doing a whole dance with it and he's like eating the little one and then somebody said to him why did you have well, I just, I'm just going to eat the little one.

Speaker 2 And I just got this one. So he continued to talk, and he'd put the big one, normal one, down.
And he eventually, well, he, first of all, he was like, have you seen this before?

Speaker 2 And he took the top off and he turned it upside down and ate it like a sandwich so that you always get an icing bite. But then he put it down.
And then this person said that he put it down.

Speaker 2 Then he put it a little further away. And then he just put it, we went over and he walked it over to another table.
Is that right, JB? Because you were like, it's too tempting close to you.

Speaker 2 You don't want to have a grenade near you.

Speaker 1 Wait, I did not know that there was cupcakes there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, that's. Sean, that was not the best.

Speaker 2 Here's why you don't know. Fuck.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, you drifted over.

Speaker 2 You know, I gave everyone a very useful lesson as to how to eat a cupcake, which a lot of people don't know. Right.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 You twist off the top, you flip it over, you make it a sandwich, and then you don't get frosting up your nose. That's A.
B.

Speaker 2 The reason you don't know there were cupcakes there, Sean, is because you did what you always do very rudely. Very rudely.

Speaker 2 You're the first one at a party so that you can say you were there and that you can't get yelled at when you leave early because you've put in a bunch of time and you get your food and then you pack up your shit and you leave

Speaker 2 for anyone. You know what, Sean is not there you.

Speaker 2 And you're like, I want to go home. Yeah, everybody does, man.
I do want to go. I want to go home.
It was a birthday cake that came out later and some singing. So why did you leave? Why did you go and

Speaker 2 why did you go at seven when it started and then leave so early?

Speaker 1 Me and Richard were there, and Jenny were there. Richard and I.

Speaker 2 Tricky Dicky. Richard and I.

Speaker 1 And first. And no, I enjoy going to those things.
I was happy to go. I just, you know, I don't have a long fuse for parties.

Speaker 2 I'm the one with the short fuse because I can't get into my cups like everyone else. And that's true.
You start laughing at shit that doesn't deserve to be even smiled at.

Speaker 1 Did you have the chili? I had the chili. It was good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I had the chili. I had the chili at the time when everyone else had it.
Where did you get the cupcake?

Speaker 2 JB goes at one point. We're sitting outside and he goes, I got to get out of here.
And I said, he's like sad like three times. I said, where are you going?

Speaker 2 And he goes, I got a gummy and a Lakers game to get into, man.

Speaker 2 And that late at night on a Saturday? He was taping. You know, I mean, I record the game.

Speaker 1 Jason's beard and hair is growing so gloriously long.

Speaker 2 Crazy. I know.

Speaker 2 It was in the talk of the party. No.
Yeah, it was. It looks good.

Speaker 2 How I can't really grow facial hair. No, you look good.
No, it looks good. You look good like that.
Yeah, shut up. It looks good.
Where do you see it in three more months when it looks really bad?

Speaker 2 No, thank you. No, I...
Well, not no, thank you, but also I doubt it.

Speaker 2 I think it looks really good. Whose guest is it today? It's my guess, and guess what? What? You're going to be real psyched.
Hey, guessed what? Guessed what?

Speaker 2 Sean. Thank you.
It's true.

Speaker 2 You guys are going to be.

Speaker 2 Well, let us guess. We've never really guessed.
Okay, so

Speaker 2 male or female? No, guess. You were going to be a big guy.
Well, can you

Speaker 2 narrow it down? I'm going to get five guesses to nail it down a little bit narrower male okay actor

Speaker 2 older or younger than us younger decidedly okay that decided decidedly but but yeah more than

Speaker 2 this is a person who is uh a uh America or the world get ready for this he his awards his awards nominations has its own Wikipedia page really Christ and this okay this is mostly film or television or music mostly film some television back in but mostly film.

Speaker 2 I mean, two Academy Award nominations, two BAFTAs,

Speaker 2 four Emmys. Is this person British? No, American.

Speaker 2 Three Globes, five SAG Award nominations, Tony Ward nomination, Critics Choice, Up the Wazoo. Every critic nomination.
I'm nervous now. God knows.

Speaker 2 You know what? Here, I'll give you a list of the names of all the directors this guy's worked with. You ready for this? Oh, my God.
Tell me if you like any of these names. Ridley Scott.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Terry Gilliam.

Speaker 2 Steven Soderbergh. Martin Scorsese.

Speaker 1 Jesus Russell.

Speaker 2 J.J. Abrams.

Speaker 1 Did I just guess it right?

Speaker 2 No. Noah Bombach.

Speaker 2 Adam Driver. Sean Levy.
Yeah, it's Adam Driver. Did I get him? No way.

Speaker 2 Bring him on out.

Speaker 2 That's my brother. That's my sweet brother.
That's why he said you're going to be.

Speaker 1 You guys know each other?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We worked on a project together. Adam, you were awesome on Saturday Night Live.
Oh, amazing. I just watched you, dude.

Speaker 2 Hysterical. Thank you.
Yeah. Hysterical.
The beep, beeps. You know, it's just like when you get a real actor in there doing Saturday Night Live,

Speaker 2 every sketch works. You know, it's this guy's making choices.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I know that.
Notice he's the key to Saturday Night Live. I don't know.
I think he's just sensitive to the material, and he's a funny dude, obviously.

Speaker 2 Well, he's making choices. Good choice.
I've seen some good actors fucking bomb on SNL. Let's be honest.
Yeah, that's true. But he's just got, Adam, you were so good.
You were so funny.

Speaker 2 Your timing is so fucking good, dude. We are gaining this episode, but all good.

Speaker 2 What about the piano playing? That seemed very real. I know.

Speaker 1 I was blown away.

Speaker 2 It was real. Is that you?

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's amazing.
Oh my God. I'd love to see a piano off between you.
That's a term, right? A piano off between you and Sean. I don't know if they use that.

Speaker 2 I'd lose. Yeah, yeah, that's a term.
I'd lose.

Speaker 1 Adam, tell me about that. How long did you play piano? Did you study?

Speaker 2 Well, I played with, I played since I was a kid, but my mom tried to teach me so it wasn't very i didn't stick to it i i feel like you're supposed you could cancel honor right you're not you're not supposed to right you're not supposed to have a parent teach you how to play piano because you never actually stick with it yeah so that is that true that's where i dropped the

Speaker 2 you know my parents my parents thought they were being real crafty when i said i don't want to play i i hate i hate practicing you're going to practice they would make me and you have the same material for a week right because you have a you have lessons once a week and so they would say you're gonna we're gonna find out whether you're practicing or not.

Speaker 2 You're going to record your lesson or sorry, you're going to record your practice and we're going to play it when we get home from work.

Speaker 2 And so I just record it once on the Monday and then just playing the same tape all week. And like they never figured it out.

Speaker 2 There was no lot of progress really to Sunday. But yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was it. They weren't bright, but they were strict.
And you've always been such a fucking shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You've always been just a a little shit since the day you were fucking born. It's not about me, though.
Let's talk to Adam. Adam Driver, dude, dude, I'm so stoked to have you on here.

Speaker 2 God, just this is.

Speaker 2 You're just such a talented dude. Everything you do is so fucking great.
Thank you. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 And then when I start to find out,

Speaker 2 looking back and, you know, looking about your sort of your background, I mean, you didn't.

Speaker 2 It seems to me, and tell me if I'm wrong, you're from Southern California, right? Is that, were you raised in Southern California? No, I was raised in Indiana.

Speaker 2 I lived in San Diego, yeah, until I was seven. Okay, so until you were seven, then raised in Indiana.
So you raised in Indiana, then

Speaker 2 9-11 hits, you join the military, right? You go into the Marines, and I know you've talked about it before, but you go in, but

Speaker 2 it just seems like you had to kind of go a long way to get, but you knew what you wanted to do. Like you wanted to go to Juilliard the first time when you were 17,

Speaker 2 is that right? Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then you ended ended up going later like walk me through i just what i'm what i'm sort of driving at is

Speaker 2 you will get to die at some point i swear at him no he said get ready i'm fine i could just listen to you guys you're just a dude who is destined to do like you knew what you wanted to do and it was fucking you were just going to get there no matter what kind of i i did plays in high school and then i auditioned for juilliard because they didn't check grades that was the prerogative of colleges that i was going to and i knew that the juilliard had reputation of being the best

Speaker 2 acting school for theater. And then I didn't get in.
And then

Speaker 2 9-11 happened. And I feel like a lot of people, a lot of friends in Indiana

Speaker 2 thought they were going to join, but then none of them did. And then I was the only

Speaker 2 one that did.

Speaker 2 Kind of like we all got riled up. And then I was the only one that actually walked through the door.

Speaker 2 And then it wasn't until I was in the military, really, that I'm like, oh,

Speaker 2 if I get to be a civilian again or when I get to be a civilian again,

Speaker 2 I knew I wanted to go back and try again to be an actor. Now,

Speaker 2 was that ever in question, by the way?

Speaker 2 How deep did you get into your military exploits?

Speaker 2 I loved it.

Speaker 2 The whole plan when I was in the military was to make a career of it, was to retire. you know, in the Marine Corps.
Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then it was only because I had a mountain biking accident, I broke my sternum that

Speaker 2 then I tried to train on it so I could still go overseas because all of the guys that I went to boot camp and then SOI, then went into the fleet with, you know, it was all the same kind of core group of people.

Speaker 2 And then they were all going to go do a Westpac of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Speaker 2 And again, I was kind of trying to train on a broken sternum so I could go.

Speaker 2 go with them and I got dropped to a different unit and all my friends went and so I

Speaker 2 was not it was not good and then it was taking a long time to heal so I had to be medically separated.

Speaker 2 You didn't get to go. No, I didn't get to go.

Speaker 1 So you were joining the Marine Corps as a response to 9-11, or you wanted to do it anyway?

Speaker 2 It was kind of twofold. Once it was a response to 9-11, but also I wasn't doing anything.
I was working

Speaker 2 jobs.

Speaker 2 I had two telemarketing jobs, and I was working at a. I'd love to hear a little bit of that script.

Speaker 2 One was for a basement waterproofing company called Ben Franklin Construction.

Speaker 2 And then the other

Speaker 2 Our thing smelling dank downstairs.

Speaker 2 Don't hang out.

Speaker 2 I used to have to read that same script for a different business. Hey, brilliant for a different business.
Sure, sure. I got no businesses.
So keep going. But that was kind of it.

Speaker 2 And I got something in the mail, and my stepdad and I were having an argument about me being a loser and not having any jobs. And he kind of like offhandedly said maybe you should join the military.

Speaker 2 And again, it was in the same time of everyone kind of being like, well, we want to get involved and do something. So it kind of all kind of coalesced.
And

Speaker 2 I think I made the decision by January. And by February, I was gone.
So much so that they were like, are you on the run from the law? Because usually people take a... You're very eager, Mr.
Driver.

Speaker 2 How's your relationship with your stepdad now? It's good. It's surprisingly good.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Is he proud of you? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I guess you won the question of whether or not you were a loser.

Speaker 2 You over it. Not only am I going to join the military, but I'm going to go through boot camp.

Speaker 2 I'm going to become a Marine, and then I'm going to kick ass in the completely opposite end of the world as well. Yeah, and become a fucking movie star.
I mean,

Speaker 2 it's pretty remarkable. So

Speaker 2 you come back from serving,

Speaker 2 you leave the military, or you get discharged, as you said.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, what, back at square one? You're like,

Speaker 2 I mean, how do you climb the mountain that you've climbed? Like, what was... You reapply to Juilliard, yeah?

Speaker 2 I reapplied to juilliard actually i should say before i left for the military i tried coming to l a and doing the whole uh acting thing and i i that that totally failed i i had like a lincoln town car and i was paying rent in the back of my parents' house and i loaded up this massive car and i drove all across country to california and i broke down in amarillo texas and wound up spending all my money fixing my car so by the time i got to santa monica not even l a

Speaker 2 uh i was here for 48 hours before i had to turn around and drive right back because I didn't have any more money. I had no money to stay.

Speaker 1 I drove out too from Chicago and my car broke down in Colorado, like around a mountain. And I was dragging the muffler for like the last part.

Speaker 2 And I had to pull over.

Speaker 1 It cost me a thousand bucks, but I made it.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Yeah, same. I slept in my car.
It was outside of Amarillo, Texas. And I got a hitched a ride into town and then took my car and got it fixed.
But that was all my money.

Speaker 2 I had just 200 bucks left, which I knew from having just made the trip was enough gas money to get home. And I made a whole production about saying goodbye to everybody back in Ninja.
Sure.

Speaker 2 And then 48 hours letters.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't believe that. But geez.
You know, Adam, a lot of people would, after an experience like that, which is, I mean, that's

Speaker 2 not traumatizing, but it's a lot. Like you go through, you make the, like you said, you make a big production out of, I'll see you guys later.

Speaker 2 You give your farewell to the troops, as it were, and then a week later, you're back or less.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 you go and you go into the the military. A lot of people would be like, you know what?

Speaker 2 The universe was trying to tell me something.

Speaker 2 It's a lot to pick yourself up again

Speaker 2 and to go, no, I want to fucking do this. This is kind of what I'm getting at at the beginning, which is like, you're just like, no, you're determined.
You knew that you had a purpose

Speaker 2 in this world.

Speaker 2 Especially doing this.

Speaker 2 Not really. No, I still,

Speaker 2 I still didn't want to.

Speaker 2 The idea of being an actor was like being an astronaut. I had no connections to

Speaker 2 anybody in the acting world and

Speaker 2 in a small town in Indiana. So I just kind of put that idea to bed.
I still liked movies,

Speaker 2 but I just kind of gave up on that. And then when the Marine Corps came along, I

Speaker 2 fully threw myself at that. And it was only during the military where I felt like, well, in comparison to the Marine Corps, civilian life, I think, should be pretty easy.

Speaker 2 I knew that New York was kind of what I wanted to do if I ever got out and having, you know, I could sleep in the Central Park.

Speaker 2 I felt more confident that I could

Speaker 2 be an adult and survive.

Speaker 2 How did you know you were any good at acting?

Speaker 2 I found in high school, the response I got from people was positive.

Speaker 2 But it's in high school in Indiana. I didn't really know until I auditioned for Juilliard the second time.

Speaker 2 Right. So how did that happen? So you get out of the military.
How do you audition the second time?

Speaker 2 Like, what was that process like so I got out and I went to a school called University of Indianapolis and then I started getting parts and plays right away and I knew that the audition date for Juilliard was they had three days four days in New York they don't do this now but they used to four days in New York four days in Chicago and four days in LA

Speaker 2 and I knew they had um uh were dish auditioning in Chicago in February so I drove up and I stayed the night and I auditioned in Chicago and then um yeah then I found out I got in like a two months, two months later.

Speaker 1 Did you, did you find, like, did you enjoy your time in the Marine Corps? And while you were there, were you thinking about acting the whole time?

Speaker 2 You're like, I can't wait to get out of here? No, no, no, I enjoyed it until a point.

Speaker 2 And then I, I, uh, really, because I was on the verge of being separated, all my guys kind of left. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That, that I, you know, then I'm like, okay, then maybe I shouldn't, this, this, I'm not long for this. Yeah, that's weird because the whole time Sean's acting, he's thinking about Marines.
So listen,

Speaker 2 It's like a yin-yang thing. I mean, it is.

Speaker 2 I get it.

Speaker 1 I get it, Adam.

Speaker 2 So, you go to fucking Chicago. It blows me away, man.

Speaker 2 It's just like, not long shot because you're a talent, obviously, a mega-talented dude, but you go and you audition, and then two months later, you find out it's your fucking dream.

Speaker 2 What's your reaction when you find out you get into Juilliard?

Speaker 2 God, it's beyond.

Speaker 2 I was working full-time at a Target distribution warehouse and going to school full-time full-time at University of Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 So it was kind of pulling all-nighters and then going to school full-time. So I was, you know,

Speaker 2 beyond, you know,

Speaker 2 jumping and screaming all the.

Speaker 2 It must have felt like getting, like, this is your chance. You're going to get pulled into this.

Speaker 2 out of your world and into this other world that you've been trying to get into and you've been dreaming of. This is about to happen.
It must have felt like that.

Speaker 2 But I wasn't even thinking of like, oh, now I'm going to be an actor in plays or now I'm going to be in films. Just the idea of going to New York was enough.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the alumni of Juilliard I was very aware of and how, you know, it's a conservatory and it was a great place to put a lot of energy. You know, it was in the early 20s.

Speaker 2 Did you have a good idea of what it, I mean, obviously you've got a very good idea of what it would be like to live in New York. We all see it in TV and movies and whatnot.

Speaker 2 But Juilliard itself, did you have a pretty decent idea of what that experience was going to be like? And if so, did it match with that idea once you got there?

Speaker 2 No frame of reference for what living in New York would be, well, other than films,

Speaker 2 but no frame of reference of like an acting conservatory. A lot of the kids in my class were

Speaker 2 like four years younger than I was and kind of had gone to performing arts schools or they were there for their graduate degree. They don't do this anymore.

Speaker 2 Even if you went through an undergrad program, you would get your diploma, you know, but now it's a graduate program also. But so they people had, come from performing arts

Speaker 2 backgrounds, and I, and I didn't.

Speaker 2 So when I moved to the city the summer before I started and would go to the performing arts library and try to read plays that everybody knew that I didn't know, like Tony Kushner plays and

Speaker 2 David Mamet plays, and I'd watch the performances in the video library to

Speaker 2 Lincoln Center, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 you know, I know you did burn this in 2019. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I did that in college. Of course, I played Larry.
You played Pale. Of course, we would have been a brilliant match to you.

Speaker 2 That would have been great.

Speaker 1 But a friend of mine was in the play, and they didn't, and on a huge marquee, downtown L.A., he did burn this. And they didn't separate the letters.
So it looked like burnt his.

Speaker 2 And so that's what we referred to. That's L.A.
theater for you. That's L.A.
Theater. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Now, Adam, I don't, I've never met you. I'm a huge fan.
I'm like chomping at the bit to ask you about Star Wars, which I'm sure you're sick of talking about.

Speaker 2 Just cool it. But I know I won't clue it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'm a huge fan.

Speaker 2 We apologize.

Speaker 1 But you do seem

Speaker 1 like not knowing you at all. You seem to be a very

Speaker 1 kind, sweet, down-to-earth, intelligent, yet introverted person.

Speaker 1 And so what is it like doing something like Saturday Night Live, which is the opposite of being introverted, and it's just going balls out? Like, is it scary? And is that why you wanted to do it?

Speaker 1 Or is it like just another job?

Speaker 2 No, well, it's it's kind of theater. I mean, in a way, so I, I, that's, uh, that's what I at least try to remind myself, but it's uh terrifying.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. But I enjoy the, how it feels like theater on uh on film.
I like those old school uh

Speaker 2 plays on tape that they used to do live, Richard Burton, you know, doing Camelot. And

Speaker 2 that's the only modern day equivalent of a show that does that. And I really enjoy the pressure.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's massive.
But I'm also on my best behavior in things like this and

Speaker 2 in public. The real egomaniacal

Speaker 2 asshole that's just waiting to come out all the time. We can't wait to meet him.
Yeah. Spend a few weeks with you.

Speaker 2 There's

Speaker 2 no plus.

Speaker 2 You did seem

Speaker 2 beautifully

Speaker 2 so relaxed. Yeah, well, I mean, there was an energy there for sure, but you certainly weren't terrified.
No, no, no. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the last, I mean, the first time I did it, I thought I was going to pass out when you walk out. But this time, you know,

Speaker 2 I felt at ease. And

Speaker 2 I enjoy the pressure, and I like it when there's a lot to do, you know,

Speaker 2 when the pressure's on and there's

Speaker 2 a lot of text and a lot of moving pieces and a lot of things falling apart, I actually kind of enjoy it. It reminds me of theater.
I noticed you not really reading the cards that much either.

Speaker 2 Did you try to commit certain lines to memory so you could perform them well? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I don't like it usually when you can kind of tell that someone's reading the cards and it kind of destroys the illusion. And when they're well written, it's easy to memorize.

Speaker 2 So some of it is

Speaker 2 not that difficult. They hate it when you don't read the cards, though.
Yeah, they're nervous.

Speaker 1 Is there one sketch that you particularly loved doing last Saturday?

Speaker 2 There's one that I really liked that was cut. It was this one called Court Case and it was this three-page speech that's not funny at all.
And I really

Speaker 2 and it only works if it's played as if it's absolutely serious and we cut it.

Speaker 2 But then they released it online afterwards. But I loved that for the at the dress everyone.
I love the dead air and how awkward it was in the audience. I love the.
Wait, are they doing that now?

Speaker 2 Are they releasing

Speaker 2 the dress? Yeah, yeah, some of it. Some of it.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's cool. With those, there was two of them that they released, like Court Case One and this one called Actor's Journey.

Speaker 1 And they for Tracy, dress is short for dress rehearsal.

Speaker 2 That's such a cool, that's a cool idea.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so, right, for Tracy, let her know that they do dress rehearsal earlier on Saturday night, full, it's like a full performance of the show with some additional sketches, and they cut a couple sketches before the live show.

Speaker 2 Dress usually is over by about 10, 10.30.

Speaker 2 And then the live show is 11.30.

Speaker 2 But I think that's cool because there have been

Speaker 2 so many great sketches over the years that were cut after dress for various reasons and not always because they didn't work, just because

Speaker 2 sometimes political. They also don't like the term skit either.
It's sketch, right? Yeah. Never skit.
Yeah, never say skit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I like it. I like Lauren.
I like the,

Speaker 2 yeah, it feels like a, you know. Yeah, you're very comfortable with it.
And you're so great at comedy, too. I mean,

Speaker 2 do you have, do you have, I knew you're not a strategic guy. You're so beautifully down to earth with your career, it seems.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 do you ask your people to look for comedy versus drama and try to keep a balance there? Or is it just kind of like the best script wins? Yeah, lately now, because

Speaker 2 I'm trying to change because I was working consistently for basically all through my 30s.

Speaker 2 And now that I have two kids, I've been trying to switch of how I've been working you know where I'm now I'm just like I can't be gone that long and I don't want to be gone that long anymore so I'm trying to I'm trying to probably like game the system and for me the only way is now is trying to work on things from the beginning

Speaker 2 if you know if I can but I'm not against it it's just whatever

Speaker 2 no one's really asked me to do something like that or and and I haven't found anything that I really you know wanted to do but if something came along I would totally do it.

Speaker 2 But you don't sort of wake up in the middle of the night and stare at the ceiling and go,

Speaker 2 I need to do a comedy.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'd like to, but

Speaker 2 I also don't want it to be bad.

Speaker 2 You know, the Albert Brooks,

Speaker 2 to me, is like, you know.

Speaker 2 you know, the top. There's not a lot of people that are writing like that, and you really got to find them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're tough to find.

Speaker 2 How old are your kids?

Speaker 1 Eight months is

Speaker 2 my youngest and six is well, my other one, so six. My kids are five years apart.
Are they?

Speaker 2 Is that good?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it's good because one gets to help you take care of the other, or at least they think they are. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then, like, you know, hanging out, you know, at a certain age is like, it's not, you know, when they, what are they now, 17 and 12.

Speaker 2 It's,

Speaker 2 you know, like, they're going to be closer when they get older.

Speaker 2 But there, there are, there, there are times when that five-year gap is.

Speaker 2 Although, Jimmy, I will say one of the nice things I've seen a couple of times is your 17-year-old dropping your 12-year-old at school because they go to the same school. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 Watching Franny drop Maple was one of the funniest fucking things. That's funny.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't like it, though. Yeah.
I miss it.

Speaker 2 How are you liking

Speaker 2 dad's stuff? I love it. I love it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm in the, what you're describing as science fiction to me. The idea that one kid, well, even now he is very protective over her.
And I feel like we gave him

Speaker 2 six years of attention and he's totally fine.

Speaker 2 And if you're like me,

Speaker 2 you missed changing diapers. You missed swaddling.
You missed, like,

Speaker 2 I was so excited to get to do it again. Oh, I am not.

Speaker 2 No. No, this time I'm like, oh, we forgot how much babies suck.

Speaker 2 They don't tell you anything. They get

Speaker 2 runny noses and it just destroys the next three days.

Speaker 2 And they have sleep progressions and they're teething you know it's uh i mean there i i am more aware this time that i'm like oh this is this is finite that it's uh i have to remember this because it's going to go away quickly where the first time i wasn't uh i was so anxious for him to get older that i wasn't uh and also the first time you're and also the first time you're not because you've never done it you're like is this normal should he be sick this much right should he be should he be uh not eating he hasn't eaten for two days jesus fucking you end up having those yeah we have a three and a half year old and we've just kind of just emerging from it again after my older kids are

Speaker 2 teenagers. And I'm like, fuck, man, I just forgot exactly what you're talking about.
I just forgot all that shit.

Speaker 2 Waking up in the night, all the fucking. I'm like, fuck.
Right. And they're durable.
I mean, the first one, you don't realize how durable they are. And the second one, you're like, all right, fine.

Speaker 2 It's fine. She's fine.
She's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So Force Awakens.

Speaker 2 I just want to.

Speaker 2 Well, let's talk about how you diaper your dog, Sean, real quick.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I just want to get through it so you guys don't have enough

Speaker 2 again, Adam, and then we can move on.

Speaker 2 Move on. Do you want to call Scotty in here? I mean, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 I just texted him, and he said, yeah, he said he wrote, it's well, everybody knows it's no secret that me and Scotty are

Speaker 2 Sean's husband, Scotty, is like they, the two of them are like the massive massive Adam might not be up on you and Scotty's, you know, that's okay.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm telling.

Speaker 2 No, everybody who listens is listening. So, Adam, when you

Speaker 2 again, that's like 25 people. Here we go.
Question, please.

Speaker 2 25 people. We're good.

Speaker 1 So I have the obvious stock questions, which is, is it real?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Please don't tell me it's not real. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Please tell me it's all freaking.

Speaker 2 Totally real.

Speaker 2 I'm there now. Oh, God.

Speaker 2 I'm there now.

Speaker 2 No, I want to know, like, were you a fan before?

Speaker 1 What was it like getting, you know, getting like

Speaker 2 getting that call to be like, you're going to ask me?

Speaker 2 I can't think. Okay, sorry.

Speaker 2 What was the first one?

Speaker 2 The first one was like... I was a fan of the fan.
Were you a fan? Were you a fan? I was a fan.

Speaker 2 I grew up. My dad was more of a Star Trek fan than a Star Wars fan, but I did have a couple Star Wars toys that we got to garage sales.
But I was a fan of the movies. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then to be asked to do it was

Speaker 2 I thought about it a lot because again, I didn't want to be bad in it. It was so you got an offer.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I got an offer and and but there was no script to read which I'd never done before.
So you have you had to commit to it.

Speaker 2 JJ walked me through the whole thing, but there was no script that you could actually see how that, how that played out. But also, Adam, I'm sure you thought at the time,

Speaker 2 Because I was certainly, we had just finished working together.

Speaker 2 I was very well aware of you, your talent, your position in the community what your potential was as far as jobs and fancy directors and all that stuff i'm sure at a point you must have thought even though you're not a you know strategic thinker you know annoying like that must have thought well i don't want to sign up for something where this is going to be louder than anything i'll ever do in my career am i tying myself to this for multiple films and was did any of that go go through your head i'm sure it must have a little bit no actually no i never thought that this was going to be the only job i got I mean, I don't know why I didn't think that it was going to be, I didn't think I'd do anything bigger than that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I had hoped, I was optimistic that I would work after it, you know, and hopefully not, you know. But

Speaker 2 I wasn't thinking that too far, too far ahead like that, of what the end result of it would be, because the end result could also be you were in a movie that everybody saw and nobody liked, and they didn't like you in it, and they didn't like the movie.

Speaker 2 And and yeah yeah yeah the idea that some uh a movie of that scale that anyone would actually watch it like i was just coming from girls and you know the this is where i leave you and and i try to

Speaker 2 thanks and it was very uh and passionate people about it like sean would be like what what what is he doing in this and he's ruining the franchise no you don't want that no i would never right but it's got to be cool like to go through the process of like seeing the drawings of your character then then the the fittings, the costume fittings, and then touching the props and like all that stuff must have been touching.

Speaker 2 Touching the props.

Speaker 2 Don't wreck your pants, John.

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 That'd be so cool.

Speaker 1 By the way, you're one of the few people that I turned to Scotty and I said, I have such a massive talent crush on that guy. Just because you're so good in everything you do, but especially in

Speaker 2 fact. You know what is amazing? And kind of also, this kind of fits in, Jason, a little bit with what you were saying.
It's like

Speaker 2 you,

Speaker 2 you know you do like these you know Star Wars one of the most you know

Speaker 2 I don't know if there's a bigger sort of brand in terms of film and you know maybe it's sort of the Marvel cinema universe and all that kind of shit but you do that and not only does it not paint you into a corner

Speaker 2 it kind of does the opposite it opens you up to a whole to all these people globally and then you continue going I said at the at the start when the boys are trying to guess who

Speaker 2 who my guest was

Speaker 2 if you look at the list of directors that you've you've worked with,

Speaker 2 it's, I mean, it's almost peerless, man. You're, you're, in, in that way.
It's just, it's remarkable how many of these incredible, you know, some of the greatest directors of our time have all wanted,

Speaker 2 have all asked you to come and, you know, go on these sort of creative journeys with them. And that's got to be, feel very,

Speaker 2 and I guess. You know, I also noticed like the way that you talk about stuff, like, yeah, you are not a strategic thinker.
Like, it seems like you are like

Speaker 2 you just kind of go with

Speaker 2 what inspires you. Am I right about that a little bit?

Speaker 2 Well, yes and no. I'm not strategic in that I'm like, oh, this is this needs to make money.
So we,

Speaker 2 though, I should think that way. Where I do, I do get now that you don't do movies that make money.
They'll stop asking you to make movies. That's what I've been told.
But

Speaker 2 in my mind, it's a filmmaker's medium. So I'm strategic in that.
Well, isn't the goal then to work with great filmmakers?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 sometimes I feel like

Speaker 2 if I connect with it, then I can,

Speaker 2 but I've people that I've wanted to work with where the thing that they wanted to do, I knew I couldn't do, or I felt like I wouldn't get there. And so

Speaker 2 I'm not really answering your question. But I am strategic in that, like,

Speaker 2 you know, it's a filmmaker's medium. It's a, you know, plays are a playwright's medium.
You know, TV seems to be a writer's medium.

Speaker 2 Those are the people that I always wanted to work with. And I made myself available to try to work with them

Speaker 2 if it came up.

Speaker 2 You've also, in the last two years,

Speaker 2 played two very significant, portrayed two very significant

Speaker 2 Italian men.

Speaker 2 One a designer and

Speaker 2 both incredible creative minds, if you think about what within their thing, right? You played

Speaker 2 Maurizio Gucci, right? And Enzo, and now you're playing currently Enzo Ferrari. I mean, that's yeah, I guess that's a good example of not being strategic in a way that I probably should.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 so many people have been like, how many Italian? I'm like, it's just kind of worked out that way. And

Speaker 2 I think someone probably should have said, you know, like, maybe because it's going to come up a lot, you know, but I'm like, well, it's, it's Ridley and it's

Speaker 2 Michael. And I, I've, they're the, in my mind, the, some of the best filmmakers of all time.
Who gives a shit that there's two Italians back-to-back? Exactly. Yeah, who gives a shit?

Speaker 2 And also, like you said,

Speaker 2 two incredible filmmakers and two great stories.

Speaker 2 So who gives a shit what it is? You'd make 10 in a row, probably. I imagine you would

Speaker 2 if they were great stories and great directors, right? Yeah, well, probably not Italians anymore, though.

Speaker 2 Because I'm surprised how much it comes up. You know, it's like, you know,

Speaker 2 you have a thing. I'm like, it's two.
It's two Italians. You know, like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 it's like, I'm like, oh, right.

Speaker 2 You know, These things are not a place. I mean, this is, but press isn't a place that you have a nuanced conversation.

Speaker 2 And that seems like a hard idea of like, well, what is it with Italy?

Speaker 2 And it's like, well, I mean, it's less to do with Italy, although I like it, but it's more about Ridley Scott and Michael Mann and the projects themselves. And

Speaker 2 Italy

Speaker 2 is not the first thing on my mind. Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 You're not calling your agents going like, hey, give me another great Italian role to play. Yeah, right, right.
Campari, I hear, is not done that.

Speaker 2 Or let's go.

Speaker 2 What about, what about, were you into car racing at all beforehand? No.

Speaker 2 I was into cars. I was into car, but

Speaker 2 I wasn't, you know, I knew of Ferraris mostly from Miami Vice.

Speaker 2 But it was unattainable.

Speaker 2 It just wasn't part of my upbringing.

Speaker 2 Right. Well, again, Michael Mann right there.

Speaker 1 Are you like a sports guy? You play a lot of sports, boxing, or anything like that?

Speaker 2 I know, I like watching.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of stuck in time a little bit with in late 90s, Michael Jordan. So I'm just now only recently, because I'm trying to work less, have gotten back into going to basketball.

Speaker 2 But basketball is my sport. Does that make you a Knicks fan or a Pacers fan? I think it makes me a Nets fan because I'm in Brooklyn.
A Nets. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 2 So basketball is your thing and like, but you're not like a watch football all day kind of guy or anything like that? No, no, no. No, I wish I wish I did.

Speaker 2 I mean, sometimes I watch football all day, but not, not, not, not really. No.
I mean, I'll watch like Tyson highlights, but like Mike Tyson highlights, but I won't keep up to date with

Speaker 2 the, like I missed the Tyson Fury fights and I'm not, I'm not a poleman. Mike Tyson.
Remember Mike Tyson was just like,

Speaker 2 it was just horrific watching what he would do to people. And I could not stop watching.
No, no. We haven't had a boxer like that since him, have we? No.

Speaker 2 No. I mean, what's his name? The guy, the English guy who's,

Speaker 2 wait, you just said him. Tyson Fury? Tyson Fury, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's been fairly dominant, but not in that same way. This last fight, didn't he get knocked down twice, two or three times? No, it's all UFC, right? Yeah.
It's all UFC.

Speaker 2 I can't, you know, I'm sure we'll have some fans who are like, yeah, you know, grow up, but I find UFC to be so dark. Oh, gross.
The energy is so dark for me. I don't know.
There's something about it.

Speaker 2 It seems to me.

Speaker 2 Did I tell you? I used to watch it right before I go to bed.

Speaker 2 One time

Speaker 2 middle of the night in my dream, I thought I was in a fight and I threw an elbow at Amanda and I just missed her freaking nose.

Speaker 2 I just whacked a pillow that she was sleeping on because I was in a fight in my dream. Because you're watching UFC? Right before I went to bed.
It was like the stupidest thing.

Speaker 2 I was like, I might as well have a big steak, too. I'd end up killing somebody.
I don't know. Anyway, sorry, we digress.

Speaker 2 We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 Adam, are you going to, is there any more talk about more Star Wars stuff?

Speaker 2 Like, oh no. Oh, boy, Lenny's back.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 they're doing stuff, yeah, but not with me. I'm not, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 1 You're done because the character's up.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. And so, and then, but wait, did you.

Speaker 2 But would you?

Speaker 2 But if you did, what character do you think?

Speaker 2 But if they came to you tomorrow and

Speaker 2 if JJ was really nice about it.

Speaker 2 No, I want to know.

Speaker 1 Can you just give me like one good story from filming like something that was great or went wrong or like something that was like surprising?

Speaker 2 Or, oh, you know what? You know what I loved? This is what I loved.

Speaker 1 Okay. When it was at the end of Force Awakens and you're doing the final battle with Ray.

Speaker 2 It's like he's stuck in an elevator at Comic-Con. And you're fucking

Speaker 2 a nightmare. I just want to say what I'm never going to run into the guy ever again.
So, well, I hope I do.

Speaker 2 But when you're wounded, when she got you, and you're walking around in a circle, and you start banging the side of of your hip like this trying to get like the pain away or something because you're bleeding yeah yeah whose idea was that such a cool specific actor i've never seen that so cool thanks thanks i i i will actually legitimately say that was mine that the idea that we how it was pitched to me was uh

Speaker 2 again none of these were written but that the very beginning was that his journey was supposed to be the opposite of vader's in that he starts almost the most uh as opposed to someone who's the most dark from the beginning and then by the end of the series becomes the most vulnerable that he starts the most vulnerable and becomes little by little um

Speaker 2 more uh committed to the dark side i i feel like eventually they they i think got rid of that idea but in my mind as i was playing it that's what i was working towards so all of this stuff is anytime that um even abstractly that and by the end of the movie it starts anything uh that starts to come into his world that reminds him that he's vulnerable, he has to get rid of it, you know.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, yeah, that I think just in an abstract way, it was okay. So, then when you got wounded and you were bleeding, you're like, I got to get rid of this, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If

Speaker 2 it wasn't very conscious, I wasn't consciously thinking of it. I think that that's just like this pain, he's he's trying to snuff out anything, he's getting more and more.

Speaker 2 So, by the time after he kills Han, you know,

Speaker 2 hopefully, that you see in his face that he shifts into,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 he's made a choice that he's going to commit to the dark side. Yeah, yeah.
How did you like the pace of that? You know, it's

Speaker 2 all the effects and stunts and things like that. I would imagine because of their luxury of schedule too, that you didn't have to shoot a lot of pages every day.

Speaker 2 You, I just remember working with you that you'd like to keep a nice momentum going. You stay in it and you're ready.
How were you able to throttle up and throttle back with the... the slow pace?

Speaker 2 There's a massive adjustment. Even when this is where I leave you, I hadn't quite figured out where to be economical at all.

Speaker 2 You know, so I did the breaks in between, I'd never like figured out the language of a film set. So I was still figuring it out.
So I was wasting just like a lot of energy trying to keep something

Speaker 2 like kind of an engine going.

Speaker 2 I made

Speaker 2 Star Wars was way more exhausting for me than I made it more exhausting than it should have been because I hadn't quite figured out the momentum of a set that was that big before.

Speaker 2 All the things I'd worked on were really small and they moved pretty fast. So, what did you learn? I love that idea.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I used to, I remember somebody saying, I remember saying to somebody, like, coming off of rest development and then doing a couple movies, and I was like, fuck, making a movie is so boring

Speaker 2 because it just takes so fucking long, and you have all this big time in between. And, like, how do you stay, especially making a comedy?

Speaker 2 You're like, it's so hard to make a good comedy movie because there's just, there's no

Speaker 2 momentum, and you need that to keep it up, right? Like, and so, what did you do actively to kind of train yourself to

Speaker 2 perform in films that was different? Like, did you have something like a technique that you yeah, well,

Speaker 2 usually the director sets the pace of the set. I don't like to be the person that tries to control the pace or rhythm of a set.

Speaker 2 I kind of let the person that's, you know, they, they kind of, and so I have to adjust. Like Spike Lee and Soderberg shoot really fast.

Speaker 2 And I, for me, that's not comfortable, but I, I, I'm, it's their movie and their film. So I adjust to what it is that they're doing.
So things like that,

Speaker 2 I won't go back to the trailer. I'll stay on set mostly.
And then, if I need to escape, you know,

Speaker 2 a conversation,

Speaker 2 a side conversation,

Speaker 2 then I will, just to try to stay focused.

Speaker 1 Like questions about Star Wars or something.

Speaker 2 Some fucking Uber nerds. You're trying to get into being Enzo Ferrari, and you've got to.

Speaker 2 One more thing.

Speaker 2 When they were on Planet Voltan,

Speaker 2 was it true that the Coranthian sun burned their helmets off?

Speaker 2 Amen.

Speaker 2 Sean, of all the characters in all the Star Wars universe, what character do you think you would have liked to have played the most? Me? Yeah. C-3PO.

Speaker 1 Luke Skywalker, of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Huh.
Luke Skywalker.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Well, with a lower octave, maybe.

Speaker 2 What's that? Hey, Paul.

Speaker 2 We want to go.

Speaker 1 Something about the tashi station we wanted to go back to the tashi station or something he's mark hamill says it really whiny it's such a funny line everybody makes fun of it now but it's so it was so

Speaker 2 you know i'm talking about i wanted to go back into town to pick up some power converters at the tashi station i remember that that's the first one right yeah that's the very first one um and adam but last we're done with the star wars but are are you so happy to not have to talk about it at length i know we did a little bit here but are you like

Speaker 1 are you trying to avoid like you know do you

Speaker 2 try to focus on moving forward no i i don't honestly not a lot of people talk to me about it when they do they mostly ask me even what you're asking is is different than what most people ask me uh so and the only bad the only thing about it is i i would talk at length uh often about uh some movie that you're trying to support and then you say one thing about star wars of uh and that's that becomes the thing there i'm like oh right yeah what the fresh was the point of uh yeah yeah yeah yeah do you miss shooting a series in brooklyn do you wish you could i do I do, I do.

Speaker 2 Right? Yeah. Do you really? I bet you'd love that.
Yeah, well, because I'd be close to home and like, yeah,

Speaker 2 I didn't realize how luxurious that was. Wait, you said this already.

Speaker 1 Where are you from originally? Indiana.

Speaker 2 Indiana. Where I was rising in.

Speaker 2 Oh, look who just joined the podcast. He said it.
We talked about it a few times. He was in a blackout trying to form a Star Wars quarterback.

Speaker 2 You know, most people, when they talk in the conversation, they don't spend all their time thinking about what I'm going to say when other people are talking. Just listen.

Speaker 2 That's how the conversation happens.

Speaker 2 So, what's your feeling about?

Speaker 2 I think it's fascinating when people would you ever move to Indiana? Yeah

Speaker 1 you would never live in Los Angeles. It's not just not your speed.
No.

Speaker 2 Well, he did. No, yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 2 It's not my, I enjoy the four seasons. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 God, that's been coming up so much lately with us

Speaker 2 about LA and New York, right? JB, we were talking about the other night. And

Speaker 2 I lived in New York for over 20 years. And when I left, when my kids were, my older kids were little, I moved to LA, and I was like, I don't know if I ever want to move to New York.

Speaker 2 And now these days, more and more, I'm like, I've been dying to live there since I was 16.

Speaker 2 I mean, I would love. Why'd you stay?

Speaker 2 I would just love to,

Speaker 2 because of the seasons, because

Speaker 2 of the,

Speaker 2 there's so many different industries that are centered there. So the people you talk to have something to say about so many things you know.
No, it's not a company town like L.A.

Speaker 2 LA is such a a company town. Right, right.
Yeah, it is boring in that way. We always say that, like, if, you know, if all your references are just about this, then

Speaker 2 what you're working on. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 2 That's what I feel when I come here, but I didn't think I was like, maybe I'm just, because every time I come, it's for something that is, you know, related to that.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, well, I've actually never spent time here, so I can't really say that.

Speaker 2 But it feels that way. It feels like with New York, there's just so much other shit going on that has nothing to do with it.
It's stimulating. Yeah.
You know, it is.

Speaker 2 You see, everybody's working, doing something that you don't know anything about. It's, it's very interesting.
Which, if you can, it's also nice to get out of the city if you can.

Speaker 2 Because you can just be sitting in your apartment and feel the energy of the place outside and feel like you need to be doing something, which is also like, can be exhausting.

Speaker 2 But, but I know I love New York.

Speaker 2 Yes, I do too. Hopefully.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Sorry, just put your best to sleep.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a question for all three of you because you all three have kids.

Speaker 1 When you take your kid to a school for the first time,

Speaker 1 it's got to be like, I I don't want to deal with the,

Speaker 1 I have to meet everybody. How are you?

Speaker 1 And then they are asking, they're asking dumb questions, like, I'm asking you Adam dumb questions or whatever. You're going to find yourself trapped by teachers or other parents or whatever.

Speaker 2 How do you deal with all of that? Because you're a known, because you're a known person. Yeah, you're in the public eye.

Speaker 2 When my son was born, when he was in, before he was in school, I didn't really go outside with him much because I didn't want people to bother him.

Speaker 2 And then the one time I went out with him in Italy, immediately, you know, we were like, oh, it's the pandemic. Like, clearly no one's following us.
And boom, they got us.

Speaker 2 And people like, you know, took pictures of

Speaker 2 my kid. But then it was kind of like to a point where I should, I should go outside with, I'm missing out on all this

Speaker 2 shit. So do you get hassled? Do you get hounded a lot by paparazzi and stuff like that? Not paparazzi necessarily, but people.
You know, people and it's all good. You know, it's it's fine.

Speaker 2 But after, you know, when you're with your kid and you're trying to, you know, do something. And then now he's at the age where he's starting to

Speaker 2 track, you know, like. Put it together.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So what does it look like for you? I mean, I just, I do want to ask you a little bit about

Speaker 2 Ferrari because, you know, you talked about working with. I can't wait to see it.
I know.

Speaker 2 Working with Michael Mann, obviously. What was that process like for you? Because, I mean, that was...

Speaker 2 Pretty all-encompassing, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was prosthetics that we didn't realize were going to be as involved. We had no money.

Speaker 2 I I mean, we had money, but not a lot of money for how Michael wanted to do it and not a lot of time. So it was very, you know, 17-hour days, sometimes a couple times 20-hour days

Speaker 2 in Modena.

Speaker 2 you know, where everything was happening,

Speaker 2 where everything happened for Enzo. It's like the barbershop he went to, the same, the grandson of the guy who actually was his barber, the actual factory,

Speaker 2 the place where the crash was. Everything is very meticulous and authentic and incredibly thoroughly researched.
And

Speaker 2 going to the factory and seeing the engines shipping in the actual, some of the actual cars that won the Mila Mia,

Speaker 2 some of these $70 million Ferraris that he would just bring there just to get the sound,

Speaker 2 and hook up nine mics to them and drive it through a tunnel.

Speaker 2 It's very thorough, you know.

Speaker 2 And you kind of get it. I mean, it sounds, you know, but at the same time, he's not, he's very researched, but is

Speaker 2 after something pretty abstract. You know, it's well,

Speaker 2 he's famously

Speaker 2 well researched and very meticulous about clothes and sound and all of the details, but, but then is very

Speaker 2 good about making shit up in the moment.

Speaker 2 Well, he, he, you know, you mentioned Miami Weiss. I was a huge Miami Weiss fan.
You were? Of the show. Oh, God, yeah.
Of the show? Yeah, because I was a young teen when that showed me.

Speaker 2 I just like them

Speaker 2 all that he did. Dude, when he, when, and DJ, Don Johnson knows this, I've told, he knows this.

Speaker 2 When he shaved his head that like third season or whatever, went to a buzz cut. I did it.

Speaker 2 That's how into it I was. I thought it was so fucking cool.
I'd never seen anything like it. And part of it was, A, Don is great.
It was so cool.

Speaker 2 But the way that Michael Mann understood the making of the film, the balance of,

Speaker 2 you know, really, you know, cool setups, really really cool shots. He, you know, really making the most of it, setting the tone that he was able to set.

Speaker 2 And with the music, he was the first guy who made like really cool,

Speaker 2 it was almost like a, a lot of those shows were almost like music videos in the middle that had these incredible montages. And

Speaker 2 it was just breathtaking to watch him, you know, do all that shit. There's that really famous one where they have

Speaker 2 In the Air Tonight with Phil Collins, that whole sequence. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 With the camera set up on the side of the car, you're watching the wheel, and then it's going down the thing, and then it's the reflection off the hood, and then he goes to that phone booth that's miraculously at the end of a pier all by itself.

Speaker 2 And calls his ex-wife. Calls his ex-wife, yes.

Speaker 2 Great shit. And you watch that.
I mean, that was like 1984, man. And like

Speaker 2 just elevated shit. Yeah.
He's very into re-watching his movies now.

Speaker 2 He's obsessed with internal life. He really believes in it, that that's cinematic and interesting enough.

Speaker 2 And then when I watch like Last of Mohicans or Heat or the even Last of Mohicans in particular, they don't have a lot of screen time to really fall in love.

Speaker 2 But because they're, you can tell they're so, you know, filled, you know, internally, you totally buy it. And he's really into that.
All of his notes are about internal stuff.

Speaker 2 He's rare in that way. Not a lot of directors really talk about internal stuff.

Speaker 2 And that he trusts that the audience can kind of read your mind a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you're really cooking inside, you don't need to say it.

Speaker 2 They'll lean forward and try to read read you yeah and is that and is that about staging and the way that he shoots it that that to him in in order to kind of reveal to get into that inner life yeah yeah he's all all about inter all of his choices are about like he there's this thing where he's obsessed with ties there's a lot of famous stories about him like you know you know you know someone will say an offhanded comment i'm like oh that's a nice tie and he's like what'd you say you know and they're like i was just saying that he had a nice tie he's like okay we got to go find another tie and they'll spend two hours finding the right tie and then you ask him he's like well if you're if you're looking at the tie then you're not looking at the actress face.

Speaker 2 And I want you to be like engrossed in what's going on. And the, he's like, the blacks in this scene aren't right.
They need to be 50% like darker because then you can really get into the pupils.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 it's all about like internal life. He wants to see, he, which I think is, you know, that's what makes those movies

Speaker 2 re-watchable and timeless is he has a lot of respect that people will get it, you know, which fucking, yeah. It's all he's also got this, he's also got

Speaker 2 a, like a Michael Mann three-quarter shot of this, like a hand held that's right behind an actor's ear, and it just kind of creeps around a little bit and exposes just one of the eyes, and it gets you inside an actor's head, like he, or a character's head.

Speaker 2 He uses that quite a bit.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 2 I don't know if there's a camera invented yet

Speaker 2 that would be able to reveal any inner life on Jason. I don't know.

Speaker 2 No, because there's no. Because it's like a fucking, like, just fucking dead.

Speaker 2 It's like a dial tone inside.

Speaker 2 You think of like, you hear like a wind, like wind going going through an old outhouse out in the middle of the desert. That's the sound.
Yeah. You know, I fall asleep real easy, you know.

Speaker 2 You talked about driving, about Ferraris and stuff, so you got to drive. Had you ever driven a Ferrari before? No, no, no.
Never driven a Ferrari. Do you have one now? No.
No. Do you want one?

Speaker 2 Would you ever get one? If they gave me one, sure, yeah. Are you like a motorcycle guy at all? Yeah, I have a couple motorcycles.
You do? Of course you do. You've got children now, though, Adam.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's get rid of those. Do you you guys know this, that I had a Ferrari for a few years? Is that right? Really? Yeah, I had a Ferrari.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had that old...

Speaker 2 Did they fucking buy you one?

Speaker 2 It's a long story, but I had they did.

Speaker 2 I was gifted a Ferrari. But it was one of those old, you know, a Ferrari, the 412.

Speaker 2 It kind of looks like a coupe. Do you remember that car?

Speaker 2 And it's at the beginning of Rain Man, Tom Cruise is driving that when he's going out to Palm Springs, and he gets the phone call, and he's got to turn around

Speaker 2 with the windmills in behind. It's a beautiful, beautiful car.

Speaker 1 You want it to be Don Johnson and Tom Johnson?

Speaker 2 So you went ahead,

Speaker 2 you sold that Ferrari, the gift to you, and you turned a little profit, I guess, huh?

Speaker 2 I ended up selling it because, you know, why? Because if you didn't drive it all the time, it would sit there and you would constantly have to repair shit. And

Speaker 2 that's just the way it was. And I,

Speaker 2 what a relatable story.

Speaker 2 So you just pocketed, what did you get, about $150,000 for it or something like that?

Speaker 2 No. No, because

Speaker 2 I paid so much to keep it.

Speaker 2 A lot of taxes.

Speaker 1 Adam, it's been such a pleasure. Listen.

Speaker 2 It does seem relatable, though.

Speaker 2 No, no, by the way. I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 Wait, when does Ferrari come out?

Speaker 2 Christmas Day. Christmas Day.
How was Day? Just in time. Okay? Like

Speaker 2 a gift from Jesus. Yeah, himself.

Speaker 2 Adam, I could just ask you, man,

Speaker 2 I'm just fascinated with it. I'm such a fan of what you've done, man, and I'm just so happy for you, dude.
And you do seem like such a genuinely good guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And honestly.

Speaker 1 Big talent crush, like I said.

Speaker 2 Yeah, big talent. And you know what? Like Jason said, I wanted to say this before.

Speaker 2 And Jason said, when people run into you, it's not like you're just like some, there's a difference between being a celebrity and being an actor. And you're such an actor.

Speaker 2 And I mean that as such a compliment. You're such an artist.
I hate using that term, but it's true to you, man. And anyway, I just wanted to say that.
I just think that you're. That means a lot.

Speaker 2 That really means a lot. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 You are amazing, man. I'm so glad that you joined us today.
Thank you for doing this. Yeah, no.
Thank you. Yeah, thanks, buddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'll look you up when I get to Brooklyn.
And we'll

Speaker 2 he's good, man. He's just live.
He's super busy.

Speaker 2 You're going to love it.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Adam. Such a pleasure.

Speaker 2 Adam Driver. Thanks, buddy.
Thanks for taking my time. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. All right.
All right. See you.
Bye.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Right? Yeah. JB, I knew you knew him.
Yeah, I'm surprised what didn't come up was some sort of tie-in to his last name and the Ferrari movie, right? Who's going to do that?

Speaker 2 One of these critics are going to do it, right? Somebody writing a review or or something. A driver really drives this driving movie, huh? Something like that? Yeah.
They can go ahead and do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, if they're going to do it, it'll be probably a little bit sharp. Oh, probably something like that.
Yeah. Well, you know, the whole time, anytime you said that, something like that.

Speaker 1 He's really cool.

Speaker 2 It's wild to meet him. It's really cool.
That's

Speaker 2 a very, very good dude. Yeah.
Yeah. He just, he seems very sort of like he's got like a generous spirit.

Speaker 1 Like you said, he's an actor. He's an actor's actor.
But he's an actor.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, he's an actor. He's...

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's so calm. He's calm.

Speaker 2 I was excited to have him.

Speaker 2 He's going to be with us for a long time. He's going to be like one of our great actors, like until we're old and gray.
Yeah, for sure. And I just, I don't know.

Speaker 2 There's something about, I love the fact that, and I know, I don't feel like it did a good job of getting into it of like this.

Speaker 2 The way that he just kept, he applied to July when he was 17, didn't get in, but then he went into the military, but then he came back to it. And he went, like he was like, he went to L.A.

Speaker 2 and then his car broke down and he fucking went home, but but he came back to it. Like he just, he was not going to be,

Speaker 2 this is what he wanted to do. And he knew he had a gift for it.

Speaker 1 You don't stop till you get it.

Speaker 2 He's a serious person that also got a great sense of humor. Not really.
He's really funny.

Speaker 2 Really, really funny. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 I didn't know, first of all, didn't know he was in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 that's why I asked him, like, where.

Speaker 2 He did like a TED talk where he talked about it. I saw that.
Oh, really? I don't follow all the TED Talks. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's really.

Speaker 2 You're not up in your TED Talks. I'm sure he's not the only actor that's been a Marine,

Speaker 2 but you don't hear about it a lot. I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 the whole time he was there, that's why I asked him if he was thinking about acting. What's that?

Speaker 2 Rob Riggle. Rob Riggle.

Speaker 2 That I knew.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 you don't hear about it a lot. So you didn't know he was in the Marines and whatever.

Speaker 1 I know he was in the Marine. And I like what he said about Michael Mann, too, about, you know,

Speaker 1 you always buy into it. And

Speaker 2 everything that Adam does, I think. Oh, I thought you said every part that buy your buy right there.

Speaker 1 You said every part that Adam plays, you also

Speaker 2 buy into it.

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Speaker 2 Uh, I'm gonna say, uh, hearing what he said,

Speaker 2 those were really words to live

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