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All right, here we go. Here we go.
Three hot mics. A good guest, I'm thinking, I'm hoping.
Sean, when was the last time you had three hot mics? That was like in my early 20s. My early 20s.
Yeah, yeah. And by the way, it was confusing.
We didn't know which end was up. I bet.
None of them wanted to be called Michael. No, uh-uh.
Mike, Mike, Mike. All right.
And they were all equally hot? They were all equally hot. Okay.
Well, welcome to SmartLess.. Less.
Smart. Less.
Smart. Less.
That was fun that we got to see each other today. I know, just a half an hour ago.
In person. Yeah, listener, very rarely will the three of us

actually see each other in person

before we start doing this.

And we didn't expend any magic

that we want to have left for the show.

Yeah, we saved.

We kept it real dry.

No, no, the magic got staved for sure.

I got to say, Jason was not feeling well

and he was on the other side of the table at this big conference room. And I got home, I got a little tickle on my throat.
You do not. I don't know.
It's in your head. Do you really? My virus has great reach on it.
Did it? Well, I don't know. But Jay, that was so, like, Wilson, that was so nice of you, if you're feeling sick, to go to the party on Saturday, too.
Yeah, it was nice of you. Well, but I didn't really feel it just yet.
I wasn't really sure, you know. I would have never known.
You were in a good mood and lovely on Saturday. Jason did this game.
He did this game. What game? I was standing outside, Sean, and you had just left.
We didn't see each other, but Jason came out, and he was holding two cupcakes. One was a big, normal-sized one, and one was a tiny baby one.

Today when we just left?

No, no, no. At the party on Saturday.

And he's got these cupcakes, and he's doing a whole dance with it.

And he's like eating the little one, and then somebody said to him,

why did you have, well, I'm just going to eat the little one,

and I just got this one.

So he continued to talk, and he put the big one, normal one, down.

And he eventually, well, first of all, he was like,

have you seen this before?

And he took the top off, and he turned it upside down

and ate it like a sandwich so that you always get an icing bite. But then he put it down.
Then this person said that he put it down, and then he put it a little further away. And then he just put it, we went over, and he walked it over to another table.
Is that right, JB? Because you were like, it's too tempting close to you. You don't want to have a grenade near you.
Wait, I did not know that there was cupcakes there. Yeah, well, that's...
Here's why you don't know. Fuck me, man.
Well, first of all, you drifted over, you know, I gave everyone a very useful lesson as to how to eat a cupcake, which a lot of people don't know, right? I didn't know that. You twist off the top, you flip it over, you make it a sandwich, and then you don't get frosting up your nose.
That's A. B, the reason you don't know there were cupcakes there, Sean, is because you did what you always do, very rudely.
Very rudely. Because you're the first one at a party so that you can say you were there and that you can't get yelled at when you leave early because you've put in a bunch of time and you get your food

and then you pack up your shit and you leave

before anyone is there yet.

Because you know what, Sean, it's not about you.

And you're like, I want to go home.

Yeah, everybody does, man.

I do want to go.

There was a birthday cake that came out later

and some singing and love.

So why did you leave?

Why did you go at seven when it started

and then leave so early? Me and Richard were there and Jenny were there. Richard and love.
So why did you leave? Why did you go at seven when it started and then leave so early?

Me and Richard were there and Jenny were there.

Richard and I.

Tricky Dicky.

Richard and I were there.

And first.

And no, I enjoy going to those things.

I was happy to go.

I just, you know, I don't have a long fuse for parties.

I'm the one with the short fuse

because I can't get into my cups like everyone else.

That's true.

You start laughing at shit

that doesn't deserve to be even smiled at.

Did you have the chili?

I had the chili.

Yeah, I had the chili.

I had to chili. Yeah, I had the chili.
I had the chili at the time when everyone else had it. Where did you get the cupcakes? JB goes to that one point.
We're sitting outside, and he goes, I got to get out of here. And he said, like, three times, I said, where are you going? And he goes, I got a gummy and a Lakers game to get into, man.
And that at night on a Saturday? You was taping. You know, I mean, I record the game.
And Jason's beard and hair is growing so gloriously long. It's crazy.
I know. It was the talk of the party.
No. Yeah, it was.
It looks good. How I can't really grow facial hair? No, you look good.
No, it looks good like that. Yeah, shut up.
It looks good. Where do you see it in three more months when it looks really bad? No, thank you.
No, I, well, not no thank you, but also I doubt it. I think it looks really good.
Whose guest is it today? It's my guest, and guess what? What? You're going to be real psyched. Hey, guest what? Guest what? Sean.
Thank you. It's true.
You guys are going to be... Let us guess.
We've never really guessed. Okay, so male or female? No, guess.
You want to be a big... Well, can you...
You're going to narrow it down. I'm going to get five guesses to nail it down a little bit narrower.
Male. Okay.
Actor? Yes. Older or younger than us? Younger.
Decidedly. Okay, Decidedly.
Well, not decidedly, but yeah, more than two years. This is a person who is a America or the world.
Get ready for this. His awards nominations has its own Wikipedia page.
Really? Christ. And this is mostly film or television or music?

Mostly film.

Some television back in the... But mostly film.

I mean, two Academy Award nominations,

two BAFTAs, four Emmys.

Is this person British?

No, American.

Three Globes, five SAG Award nominations,

Tony Award nomination, Critics' Choice,

Up the Wazoo, Every Critic.

I'm nervous now.

You know what? Here, I'll give you a list of the names of all the directors this guy's worked with. You ready for this? Tell me if you like any of these names.
Ridley Scott. Okay.
Terry Gilliam. Steven Soderbergh.
Martin Scorsese. This is Russell? J.J.
Abrams. Did I just guess it right? No.
Baumbach Adam Driver? Sean Levy Yeah, it's Adam Driver Did I get him? No way! Bring him on out Hey! That's my brother That's my sweet, sweet brother I know That's why I said You're gonna be You guys know each other? Yeah We worked on a project Adam, you were awesome on Saturday Night Live. Oh, thank you.
Amazing. I just watched it too.
So good, dude. Hysterical.
Thank you. Yeah.
Hysterical. The beep beeps? You know, it's just like when you get a real actor in there doing Saturday Night Live, every sketch works, you know? This guy's making choices.
Yeah. Yeah, and I noticed that.
Is that the key to Saturday Night Live? I don't know. I think he's just sensitive to the material and he's a funny dude, obviously.
Well, he's making choices. Good choices.
I've seen some good actors fucking bomb on SNL, let's be honest. Yeah, that's true.
But he's just got... Adam, you were so good.
You were so funny. So good.
Your timing is so fucking good, dude. We are getting this episode, but all good.
What about the piano playing?

That seemed very weird. I know.

I was blown away.

Yeah, it was really.

Is that you?

Yeah, yeah.

That's amazing.

Oh, my God.

I'd love to see a piano off between you.

That's a term, right?

A piano off between you and Sean.

I don't know if they use that.

I'd lose.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a term.

I'd lose.

Adam, tell me about that.

How long did you play piano?

Did you study?

Well, I played since I was a kid, but my mom tried to teach me, so it wasn't very...

Thank you. I lose.
Adam, tell me about that. How long did you play piano? Did you study? Well, I played since I was a kid, but my mom tried to teach me, so it wasn't very, I didn't stick to it.
I feel like you're supposed to. You could cancel on it.
Right, you're not supposed to, right? You're not supposed to have a parent teach you how to play piano, because you never actually stick with it. Is that true? Yeah, that's why I dropped it.
Is that the, huh? You know, my parents thought they were being real crafty when I said, I don't want to play. I hate practicing.
You're going to practice. They would make me, and you have the same material for a week, right? Because you have lessons once a week.
And so they would say, we're going to find out whether you're practicing or not. You're going to record your lesson.
Sorry, you're going to record your practice, and we're going to play it when we get home from work. And so I just record it once on the Monday and then just playing the same tape all week.
And, like, they never figured it out. There was a lot of progress from Monday to Sunday.
But, yeah, that was it. They weren't bright, but they were strict.
And you've always been such a fucking shit. Yeah.
You've always been just a little shit since the day you were fucking born. It's not about me, though.
Let's talk to Adam. Adam Driver.
Dude, I'm so stoked to have you on here. Oh, my God, this is so wild.
I just think you're so... You're just such a talented dude.
Everything you do is so fucking great. Thanks.
Yeah, man. He's not my guest.
And then when I start to find out, when I, like, looking back and, you know, looking about your sort of your background, I mean, you didn't, it seems to me, and tell me if I'm wrong, you're from Southern California, right? Were you raised in Southern California? No, I was raised in Indiana. I lived in San Diego, yeah, until I was seven.
Okay, so until you were seven, then raised in Indiana. So you're raised in Indiana.
Then 9-11 hits, you join the military, right? You go into the Marines and I know you've talked about it before, but you go in, but it just seems like you had to kind of go a long way to get, but,

but you knew what you wanted to do. Like you, you, you wanted to go to Juilliard the first time when

you were 17. Is that right? And, and, and then you ended up going later, like walk me through.
I just,

I'm sort of driving at is. You will get to talk at some point, I swear.
No, he said, get ready. I'm fine.
I could just listen to you guys. You're just a dude who is destined to do, like, you knew what you wanted to do.
And it was fucking, you were just going to get there no no matter what kind of i i did plays in high school and then i auditioned for juilliard because they didn't check grades that was the prerogative of colleges that i was going to and i knew that the juilliard had reputation of being the best of acting school for you know for theater and then i didn't get in and then uh 9-11 happened and i feel like a lot of people a lot of friends in indiana all thought they were going to join but then none of them did and then i was the only one that did um kind of like we all got right riled up and then i was the only one that actually walked through the door and then and then and then it wasn't until i was in, really, that I'm like, oh, if I get to be a civilian again or when I get to be a civilian again, I knew I wanted to go back and try again to be an actor. Now, was that ever in question, by the way? How deep did you get into your military exploits? I loved it.
The whole plan when I was in the military was to make a career of it, was to retire, you know, in the Marine Corps. Oh, really? Yeah.
And then it was only because I had a mountain biking accident, I broke my sternum, that I tried to train on it so I could still go overseas because all of the guys that I went to boot camp and then SOI and then went into the fleet with, you know, it was all the same kind of core group of people. And then they were all going to go do a Westpac of Iraq and Afghanistan.
And, and, uh, and again, I, I was kind of trying to train on a broken sternum so I could go, go with them. And I got dropped to a different unit and all my friends went and so it was not good.

It was taking a long time to heal so I had to be medically separated.

You didn't get to go?

No, I didn't get to go.

So wait, so you joined the Marine Corps

as a response to 9-11

or you wanted to do it anyway?

It was kind of twofold.

Once it was a response to 9-11

but also I wasn't doing anything.

I was working odd jobs.

I had two telemarketing jobs and I was working at a... I'd love to hear a little bit of that script.
One was for a basement waterproofing company called Ben Franklin Construction. Are you probably...
I don't... And then the other one was...
Are things smelling dank downstairs? Don't hang up. I used to have to read that same script, but for a different business.
Really? For a different business. Sure, sure.
I know. Wink, wink.
So keep going. But that was kind of it.
And I got something in the mail, and my stepdad and I were having an argument about me being a loser and not having any jobs. And he kind of like offhandedly said maybe you should join the military.
And again, it it was in the same time of everyone kind of being like well we want to get involved and and do something so it kind of all kind of coalesced and they i think i made the decision by january and by february i was gone so much so that they were like are you on the run from the law because you're very that's crazy. How's your relationship with your stepdad now? That's good.
It's surprisingly good. Yeah? Is he proud of you? Yeah.
I guess you won the question of whether or not you were a loser. I mean, you overachieved.
Not only am I going to join the military, but I'm going to go through boot camp, I'm going to become a Marine, and then I'm going to kick ass in the completely opposite end of the world as well. Yeah, and become a fucking movie star.
I mean, it's pretty remarkable. So you come back from serving, you leave the military, or you get discharged, as you said, and then you're like, what, back at square one? You're like, I mean, how do you climb the mountain that you've climbed? Like, what was...
You reapply to Juilliard, yeah? I reapply to Juilliard. Actually, I should say before I left for the military, I tried coming to LA and doing the whole acting thing.
And I, that totally failed. I had like a Lincoln Town car and I was paying rent in the back of my parents' house.
And I loaded up this massive car and I drove across country to California and i broke down in amarillo texas and wound up spending all my money fixing my car so by the time i got to santa monica not even la i was here for 48 hours before i had to turn around and drive right back because i didn't have any more money i had no money to stay i drove out too from chicago and my car broke down in colorado like around a mountain and i was dragging the muffler for like the last part and i had to pull over it cost me a thousand bucks but i made it oh really yeah same i slept in my car it was outside of amarillo texas and i got a uh hitched a ride into town and then took my car and got it fixed and but that was all my money and i had i had just 200 bucks left which i knew from having just made the trip was enough gas money to get home. And I made a whole production about saying goodbye to everybody back in India.
Sure. And then 48 hours later, you're back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe that.
But, you know, Adam, a lot of people would, after an experience like that, which is, I mean, that's not traumatizing, but it's a lot. Like you go through, you make the, like you said, you make a big production out of, I'll see you guys later.
You give your farewell to the troops, as it were. And then a week later, you're back or less.
And then you go into the military. A lot of people would be like, you know what? The universe was trying to tell me something.
It's a lot to pick yourself up again and to go, no, I want to fucking do this. This is kind of what I'm getting at at the beginning, which is like, no, you're determined.
You knew that you had a purpose in this world, especially doing this. Not really, no.
I still didn't want to... The idea of being an actor was like being an astronaut i had no connections to uh yeah the anybody in the acting world and in in in a small town in indiana so i just kind of put that idea to to bed i still liked movies uh and but i i just kind of gave up on that and then uh when the marine corps came along, I, you know, fully threw myself at that.
And it was only during the military where I felt like, well, in comparison to the Marine Corps, civilian life, I think, should be pretty easy. You know, I knew that New York was kind of what I wanted to do.
If I ever got out and having, you know, I could sleep in Central Park. Like, felt i felt more confident that i could uh be an adult and survive how did how did you know you were any good at at acting um in high school the response i got from people was was positive you know but i mean but it's a high school in indiana i didn't really know until i auditioned for juilliard the second time and i so right so how did that happen so you get out of the military how do you audition the second time like what was that process like so I got out and I went to a school called University of Indianapolis and then I started getting parts and plays right away and I knew that the audition date for Juilliard was they had three days four days in New York they don't do this now but they used to do four days in New York, four days in Chicago, and four days in L.A.

And I knew they were auditioning in Chicago in February,

so I drove up and I stayed the night and I auditioned in Chicago.

And then, yeah, then I found out I got in like two months later.

Did you enjoy your time in the Marine Corps?

And while you were there, were you thinking about acting the whole time? Like, I can't wait to get out of here? No, no, no. I enjoyed it until a point.
And then I, really because I was on the verge of being separated, all my guys kind of left. Yeah.
That I, you know, then I'm like, okay, maybe I shouldn't. I'm not long for this.
Yeah. That's weird because the whole time Sean's acting he's thinking about Marines.
So listen. Like a yin yang thing.
I mean it's great. I get it Adam.
I get it. So you go to fucking Chicago and it blows me away man.
I just it's just like not long shot because you're obviously a mega talent to do but you go and you audition and then two months later you find out it's your fucking dream what's your reaction when you find out you get into juilliard like god it was beyond i i you know i was working full-time at a target distribution warehouse and going to school full-time at university of indianapolis so it's kind of pulling all-nighters and then going to school full-time. So I was, you know, beyond, you know,

jumping and screaming all the...

It must have felt like getting, like, this is your chance.

You're going to get pulled into this,

out of your world and into this other world

that you've been trying to get into

and you've been dreaming of.

This is about to happen.

It must have felt like that.

But I wasn't even thinking of like,

oh, now I'm going to be an actor in plays or now I'm going to be in films. Just the idea of going to New York was enough.
And, you know, the alumni of Juilliard, I was very aware of and how, you know, it's a conservatory and it was a great place to put a lot of energy. You know, it was in the early 20s so did you have a good idea of what what what i mean obviously you got a very good idea of what it would be like to live in new york we all see it in tv and movies and whatnot but juilliard itself did you have a pretty decent idea of what that experience was going to be like and if so did it match with that idea once you got no frame of reference of reference for what living in New York would be.

Well, other than films that, but no frame of reference of like an acting conservatory. A lot of the kids in my class were like four years younger than I was and kind of had gone to performing arts schools or they were there for their graduate degree.
They don't do this anymore. Even if you went to an undergrad program, you would get your diploma, you know, but they, Now it's a graduate program also.

But so they people had come from performing arts backgrounds, and I didn't. So when I moved to the city the summer before I started, I would go to the performing arts library and try to read plays that everybody knew that I didn't know.
Like Tony Kushner plays. That's so cool.
David Mamet plays, plays and i watched the performances in the the video library to yeah at lincoln at lincoln center yeah yeah yeah that's so cool you know um uh you know you i know you did burn this in 2019 yeah yeah i did that in college of course i played larry you played pale of course we would have been a brilliant match we would have been great but a friend of mine uh was the play and they didn't, on the huge marquee downtown LA, he did burn this and they didn't separate the letters so it looked like burnt his and so that's what we refer to that's LA theater for you that's LA theater and we will be right back guys, we all need to drink water every day. I mean, we have to drink water to stay alive, right? So why should it be boring? Like, I like sparkling water because it didn't have all the sugar and the added, you know, chemicals and everything like that that soda has.
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All right, back to the show. Now, Adam, I've never met you.
I'm a huge fan. I'm like chomping at the bit to ask you about Star Wars, which I'm sure you're sick of talking about.
Just cool it. I know, I won't cool it.
But I will but um i'm a huge fan we apologize but you do seem like not knowing you at all you seem to be a very kind sweet down to earth intelligent yet introverted person and so what is it like doing something like saturday night live which is the opposite of being introverted and it's just going balls out like is it scary and is that why you wanted to do it or is it like just another job no well it's it's kind of theater i mean in a way so i i that's that's what i at least try to remind my but it's terrifying yeah it is but i i enjoy the how it feels like theater on uh on film i i like those old school uh plays on tape that they used to do live. Richard Burton doing Camelot.
That's the only modern day equivalent of a show that does that. And I really enjoy the pressure.
I don't know, it's massive. But I'm also on my best behavior in things like this and in public.
The real egomaniacal asshole that's just waiting to come out all the time. We can't wait to meet him.
Yeah, I spent a few weeks with you. Bring him out.
You did seem beautifully relaxed. Well, I mean, there was an energy there for sure, but you certainly weren't terrified.
No, no, no. It was pretty cool.
Yeah, the last, I mean, the first time I did it, I thought I was, you know, going to pass out when, you know, walk out, but this time, you know, I, I, I felt, I felt at ease and I, and I enjoy, I enjoy the pressure and I, and I like it when they, when there's a lot to do, you know, in this, when they're, when the pressure's on and there's a lot of, a lot of text and a lot of moving pieces and a lot of things falling apart i actually kind of enjoy it it reminds me of theater i noticed you're not really reading the cards that much either did you try to commit uh certain lines to memory so you could perform them well yeah yeah yeah yeah because i i don't like it usually when you can kind of tell that someone's reading the cards and it kind of destroys the illusion and and when they're well written it's easy to memorize so some of it is uh it's not that difficult they hate it when you don't read the cards though yeah nervous yeah is there one sketch that you particularly loved doing last Saturday there's one that I really liked that was cut it was this one called court case and it was this three-page speech that's not funny at all and I it only works if it's played as if it's absolutely serious and we cut it. But then they released it online afterwards.
But I loved that at the dress. I loved the dead air and how awkward it was in the audience.
I loved the... Wait, are they doing that now? Are they putting the dress online?

Yeah, some of it.

Oh, that's cool.

With those, there was two of them that they released.

This court case one and this one called Actor's Journey.

For Tracy, dress is short for dress rehearsal.

That's such a cool idea.

Yeah, for Tracy, let her know that they do dress rehearsal

earlier on Saturday night.

It's like a full performance of the show with some additional sketches, and they cut a couple sketches before the live show. The dress usually is over by about 10, 10.30, and then the live show is 11.30.
But I think that's cool because there have been so many great sketches over the years that were cut after dress for various reasons and not always because they didn't work, just because sometimes political, et cetera. They also don't like the term skit either.
It's sketch, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Never skit. Oh, yeah, never say skit.
Yeah. But I like it.
I like Lauren. I like the, yeah, it feels like a, you know.
Yeah, you're very comfortable in it. You're so great at comedy too.
I mean, do you have, you're not a strategic guy. You're so beautifully down to earth with your career, it seems.
But do you ask your people to look for comedy versus drama and try to keep a balance there? Or is it just kind of like the best script wins? Yeah, lately now because I'm trying to change because I was working consistently for basically all through my 30s and now that I have two kids I've been trying to switch of how I've been working, you know, where I'm now I'm just like I can't be gone that long and I don't want to be gone that long anymore. So I'm trying to probably game the system.
And for me, the only way now is trying to work on things from the beginning, if I can. But I'm not against it.
It's just whatever. No one's really asked me to do something like that.
And I haven't found anything that I really wanted to do. But if something came something came along i would totally do it but you don't you don't sort of like wake up in the middle of the night and stare at the ceiling and go like i need to do a comedy no no no i'd like to i mean i'd like to but if i also don't want it to be bad you know so i would right you know the the you know the albert brooks of it to me is like you know you know the top.
There's not a lot of people that are writing like that, and you really got to find them. They're tough to find.
How old are your kids? Eight months is my youngest, and six is my other one. My kids are five years apart.
Are they? Is that good for you? Yeah, I mean, it's good because one gets to help you take care of the other, or at least they think they are. But then like, you know, hanging out, you know, at a certain age is like, it's not, you know, when they, what are they now, 17 and 12.
It's, you know, like they're going to be closer when they get older. But there are times when that five year gap is not worse although JB I will say one of the nice things I've seen a couple times is your 17 year old dropping your 12 year old at school because they go to the same school and that's pretty funny watching Franny drop maple was one of the funniest fucking things that's funny right yeah I don't like it though yeah I miss it.
How are you liking dad stuff? I love it. Yeah? I'm in the, what you're describing as science fiction to me.
The idea that one kid will, even now he is very protective over her. And I feel like we gave him six years of attention and he's you know.
And if you're like me, you missed changing diapers. You missed swaddling.
You missed like, I was so excited to get to do it again. Oh, I am not.
No? No. This time I'm like, oh, yeah, we forgot how much babies suck.
You know, they don't tell you anything. They get runny noses and it just destroys the next three days.
And they have sleep progressions and they're teething. I mean, I am more aware this time that I'm like, oh, this is finite.
I have to remember this because it's going to go away quickly. Where the first time I wasn't, I was so anxious for him to get older that I wasn't.
And also the first time you're not, because you've never done it, you're like, is this normal? Should he be sick this much? Should he be, should he be not eating? He hasn't eaten for two days. Jesus fucking, you end up having those.
We have a three and a half year old and we've just kind of, just emerging from it again after my older kids are teenagers. And I'm like, fuck man, I just forgot exactly what you're talking about I just forgot all that shit.
Waking up in the night all the fucking... Right, and they're durable.
I mean, the first one, you don't realize how durable they are, and the second one, you're like, oh, it's fine. She's fine.
She's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, Force Awakens, Star Wars, I just want to... Well, let's talk about how you diaper your dog, Sean.
Real quick. No, I just want to get through it so you guys don't have to suffer.
Okay. Again, Adam, we apologize.
And then we can move on. Do you want to call Scotty in here? Yeah, I did.
I texted him. You did? Yeah.
He said, he wrote, well, everybody knows it's no secret that me and Scotty are huge fans. Sean's husband, Scotty, is like, the two of them are like the massive...
Adam might not be up

on you and Scotty's,

you know,

movie taste.

Yeah, that's okay.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm telling.

No, everybody who listens

is listening.

So, Adam,

when you...

Again, that's like 25 people.

Here we go.

Question, please.

25 people. We're good.
So, I have the obvious stock questions, which is, is it real? Please don't tell me it's not real. Yeah.
Please tell me it's all real. Totally real.
I'm there now. Oh, God.
I'm there now. No, I want to know, like, were you a fan before? What was it like getting, you know, getting that call to be like, you're part of this iconic thing.
Okay, sorry. What was the first one? The first one was like, were you a fan? I was a fan.
I grew up up my dad was more of a star trek fan than a star wars fan but i did have a couple star wars toys that we got garage sales so i but i was a fan of the movies yeah but yeah then to be asked to do it was i i thought about it a lot because again i didn't want to be bad in it it was so you got an offer yeah yeah yeah i got an offer and and but there was no script to read which i'd never done before so you have you had to commit to it jj walked me through the whole thing but there was no script that you could actually see how that uh how that played out but also adam i'm sure you thought at the time because i was certainly we had just finished working together i was very well aware of you, your talent, your position in the community, what your potential was as far as jobs and fancy directors and all that stuff. I'm sure at a point you must've thought, even though you're not a, you know, strategic thinker, you know, annoying like that.
I thought, well, I don't want to sign up for something where this is going to be louder than anything I'll ever do in my career. Am I tying myself to this for multiple films? And was, did any of that go, go through your head? I'm sure it must have a little bit.
No, actually, no. I never thought that this was going to be the only job I got.
I mean, I don't know why I didn't think that it was going to be, I didn't think I'd do anything bigger than that. But I, I, had hoped i was optimistic that i would work after it you know and hopefully not you know but uh i wasn't thinking that too far too far ahead like that of what the end result of it would be because the end result could also be you were in a movie that everybody saw and nobody liked and they didn't like you in it and they didn't like the movie

and the idea that a movie of that scale

that anyone would actually watch it.

Like I was just coming from girls and this is where I leave you

and tracks.

You were so great in that movie.

Thanks.

And it was very...

Impassionate people about it like Sean would be like,

what is he doing in this and he's ruining the franchise. You don't want that.
No, I would never. But it's got to be cool to go through the process of seeing the drawings of your character and then the fittings, the costume fittings and then touching the props and all that stuff must have been so surreal.
Touching the't. Don't wreck your pants, Sean.
Jesus Christ. That is so cool.
By the way, you're one of the few people that I turned to Scotty and I said, I have such a massive talent crush on that guy. Just because you're so good in everything you do, but especially in that franchise.
You know what is amazing? And kind of also this kind of fits in Jason a little bit with what you were saying is like, you, you know, you do like these, you know, Star Wars, one of the most, you know, I don't know if there's a bigger sort of brand in terms of film and, you know, maybe it's sort of the Marvel cinema universe and all that kind of shit. But you do that and not only does it not paint you into a corner, it kind of does the opposite.

It opens you up to all these people globally,

and then you continue going.

I said at the start when the boys were trying to guess who my guest was,

if you look at the list of directors that you've worked with,

it's almost peerless, man, in that way.

It's remarkable how many of these incredible,

some of the greatest directors of our time

I'm sorry. man you're you're in in that way it's just it's remarkable how many of these incredible you know some of the greatest directors of of our time have all wanted uh have all asked you to come in and you know go on these sort of creative journeys with them and that's got to be feel very um and i guess you know i also noticed like the way you talk about stuff like yeah you are not a strategic thinker.
Like, it seems like you are, like, you just kind of go with what inspires you. Am I right about that a little bit? Well, yes and no.
I'm not strategic in that I'm like, oh, this needs to make money. So we, although I should think that way.
I do get now that you don't do movies that make money they'll stop asking you to make movies so that's what i've been told but i i if i my mind it's a filmmaker's medium so i'm strategic in that well isn't the goal then to work with great filmmakers and and and uh you know sometimes i i feel like if i connect with it then i can uh but i've people that i've wanted to work with where the thing that they wanted to do i i knew i couldn't do or i i felt like i wouldn't get there and so i i'm not i'm not really answering your question but i am strategic in that like um you know it's a filmmaker's medium it's a you know plays or a playwright's medium, you know, TV seems to be a writer's medium. That's, you know, it's a filmmaker's medium.
It's, you know, plays are a playwright's medium. You know, TV seems to be a writer's medium.
That's, you know, those are the people that I always wanted to work with. And I made myself available to try to work with them if it came up.
You've also in the last two years played two very significant, portrayed two very significant Italian men, one a designer, and both incredible creative minds, if you think about within their thing, right? You played Maurizio Gucci. Right.
And now you're playing currently Enzo Ferrari. I mean, that's...
Yeah, I guess that's a good example of not being strategic in a way that I probably should.

Like, so many people have been like,

how many Italians...

I'm like, it just kind of worked out that way.

Yeah, yeah.

I think someone probably should have said,

you know, like, maybe because it's going to come up a lot.

But I'm like, well, it's Ridley and it's Michael.

And in my mind, some of the best filmmakers who gives a shit that there's two Italians back to back? Exactly. Yeah, who gives a shit? And also, like you said, two incredible filmmakers and two great stories.
Yeah. So who gives a shit what it is? You'd make 10 in a row probably, I imagine you would, if they were great stories and great directors.
Yeah, well, probably not Italians anymore, though. But yeah, because I'm surprised how much it comes up, you know, it's like, you know, you have a thing.
I'm like, it's two. It's two Italians, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know.
It's like, I'm like, all right, you know, these things are not a place, I mean, this is, but press isn't a place that you have a nuanced conversation. Right.
That seems like a hard idea of like, well, what is it with Italy? And it's like, well, I mean, it's less to do with Italy, although I like it, but it's more about, you know, Ridley Scott and Michael Mann and the projects themselves. Italy is not the first thing on my mind.
Right, right, right. You're not calling your agents going like, hey, give me another great Italian role to play.
Yeah, right, right. Campari, I hear, is not going to die.
Really? Oh, let's go. Okay, okay.
I cornered that market. What about, were you into car racing at all beforehand? No.
No. It probably didn't matter, right? I was into cars.
I was into car, but I couldn't, you know, I wasn't, you know, I knew of Ferraris, mostly from Miami Vice, you know. Yeah.
And it was unattainable. It just wasn't part of my upbringing, you know.
Right. Well, again, Michael Mann right there.
Are you like a sports guy? You play a lot of sports, boxing, anything like that? I know, I like watching. I'm kind of stuck in time a little bit with, in the late 90s, Michael Jordan.
Right. So I'm just now now only recently because I'm trying to work less.
I've gotten back into going to basketball. But basketball is my sport.
Does that make you a Knicks fan or a Pacers fan? I think it makes me a Nets fan because I'm in Brooklyn. A Nets.
Yeah. All right.
Yeah. So basketball is your thing and like, but you're not like a watch football day kind of guy or anything like that? No, no, no.
No, I wish I did. I mean, sometimes I watch football a day, but not really, no.
I mean, I'll watch like Tyson highlights, like Mike Tyson highlights, but I won't keep up to date with, like I miss the Tyson Fury fights and I'm not a full man. I miss Mike Tyson.
Remember Mike Tyson was just like uh it was just horrific watching what he would do to people and i could not stop watching no we haven't had a boxer like that since him have we no no i mean what's his name the guy the english guy who's uh wait you just said him tyson fury tyson fury yeah yeah's been fairly dominant, but not in that same way.

His last fight, didn't he get knocked down twice?

It's all UFC, right?

It's all UFC. I can't, you know,

I'm sure we'll have some fans who are like,

you know, grow up, but I find UFC

to be so dark.

The energy is so dark for me.

I don't know. There's something about it.

It seems real.

I used to watch it right before I go to bed. One time in the middle of the night in my dream i thought i was in a fight and i threw an elbow at amanda and i just missed her freaking nose she is she i just whacked the pillow that she was sleeping on because i was in a fight in my dream because you're watching ufc right before i went to bed it was like a stupidest I was like, I might as well have a big steak too.
I ended up killing somebody. I don't know.
Anyway, sorry, we digress. We'll be right back.
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And now back to the show. Adam, is there any more talk about more Star Wars stuff? Oh, boy, look who's back.
They're doing stuff, yeah, but not with me. I'm not doing it.
You're done because the character's done. Yeah.
All right, and so, and then, but wait, did you? But would you? But if you did, what character do you think you might buy? But if they came to you tomorrow, and if JJ was really nice about it. No, I want to know, can you just give me one good story from filming it, like something that was great or went wrong, or something that was surprising? Oh, you know what I loved? This is what I loved.
It was at the end of Force Awakens and you're doing the final battle with Rey. It's like he's stuck in an elevator at Comic-Con.
And you're fucking... It's a fucking nightmare for you.
I just want to say, I'm never going to run into the guy ever again. So, I hope I do.
But when you're wounded, when she got you, and you're walking around in a circle, and you start banging the side of your hip like this, trying to get the pain away or something, because you're bleeding. Yeah, yeah.
Whose idea was that? Such a cool, specific actor. I've never seen that.
So cool. Thanks.
I will actually legitimately say that was mine. The idea that, how it was pitched to me was, again, none of these were written, but that the very beginning was that his journey was supposed to be the opposite of Vader's in that he starts almost the most, as opposed to someone who's the most dark from the beginning, and then by the end of the series becomes the most vulnerable, that he starts the most vulnerable and becomes little by little more committed to the dark side i i feel like eventually they they i think got rid of that idea but in my mind as i was playing it that's what i was working towards so all of this stuff is anytime that even abstractly that and by the end of the movie it starts anything uh that starts to come into his world that reminds him that he's vulnerable, he has to get rid of it.
Yeah, yeah. I think just in an abstract way, it was...
Okay, so then when you got wounded and you were bleeding, you were like, I got to get rid of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's really cool. It wasn't very conscious.
I wasn't consciously thinking of it. I think that that's just like this pain.
It's so cool. He's trying to snuff out anything.
He's getting more and more. So by the time after he kills Han, you know, hopefully that you see in his face that he shifts into, you know, he's made a choice that he's going to commit to the dark side.
Yeah, yeah. How did you like the pace of that? You know all the effects and and stunts and things like that i would imagine because of their their luxury of of schedule too that you didn't have to shoot a lot of pages every day you i just remember working with you that you'd like to keep a nice momentum going you you stay in it and and you're ready how were you able to throttle up and throttle back with with the slow pace there's a massive adjustment.
Even when this is where I leave you, I hadn't quite figured out where to be economical at all. You know, so the breaks in between, I'd never like figured out the language of a film set.
So I was still figuring it out. So I was wasting just like a lot of energy trying to keep something like kind of an engine going.
That was, I made, Star Wars was way more exhausting for me than I, I made it more exhausting than it should have been because I hadn't quite figured out the momentum of a set that was that big before. All the things I'd worked on were really small and they moved pretty fast.
So what did you learn? I love that idea. Yeah, I remember somebody saying, I remember saying to somebody like, coming off Arrest then doing a couple movies i was like fuck making a movie so boring it and because it would just take so fucking long and you have all this big time in between and like how do you stay especially making a comedy you're like it's so hard to make a good comedy movie because there's just there's no momentum momentum and you need that to keep it up, right? Like, and so what did you do actively to kind of train yourself to perform in films that was different? Did you have something like a technique? Yeah, well, usually the director sets the pace of the set.
I don't like to be the person that tries to control the pace or rhythm of a set. I kind of let the person that the you know they they kind of and so i have to adjust like spike lee and and soderbergh shoot really fast and i for me that's not comfortable but i i'm it's their movie in their film so i adjust to what it is that they're doing so things like that i'll i won't go back to the trailer i'll stay on set mostly and and then if i need to escape you know uh you know

a conversation uh you know a side conversation that then i then i then i will just to try to stay focused if you know like questions about star wars or something yeah some fucking uber nerds yeah you're trying to get into being enzo ferrari and you've got one more thing When they were on planet Voltan,

was it true that the Caranthians' son burned their helmets off? Sean, of all the characters in all the Star Wars universe, what character do you think you would have liked to have played the most? Me? C-3PO. Luke Skywalker, of course.
Yeah. Huh.
Luke Skywalker? Yeah, of course. Well, with a lower octave, maybe.
Well, wait. What's that? What's that? Hey, Paul.
Yeah. We want to go.
Something about the Tosche Station. We wanted to go back to the Tosche Station or something.
Mark Hamill says it really whiny. It's such a funny line.
Everybody makes fun of it now, but it was so great. Oh, right.
Do you know what I'm talking about? I wanted to go back into town to pick up some power converters at the Tosche station. I remember that.
That's the first one, right? Yeah, that's the very first one. Adam, but last, we're done with the Star Wars.
But are you so happy to not have to talk about it at length? I know we did a little bit here, you like are you to try to avoid like you know do you try to focus on moving forward no i i don't honestly not a lot of people talk to me about it when they do they mostly ask me even what you're asking is is different than what most people ask me uh so and the only bad the only thing about it is i i would talk at length uh often about uh some that you're trying to support, and then you say one thing about Star Wars, and that becomes the thing there. I'm like, oh, what the fuck was the point of a...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you miss shooting a series in Brooklyn? Do you wish you could...
I do, I do. Right? Do you really? I bet you'd love that right now.
Yeah, well, because I'd be close to home, and I didn't realize how luxurious that was. Wait, you said this already.
Where are you from originally? Indiana. Indiana.
When I was raised in Michigan. Oh, yeah.
Oh, look who just joined the podcast. He said it.
We talked about it a few times. He was in a blackout trying to form a Star Wars question.
You know, most people, when they talk in the conversation, they don't spend all their time thinking about what I'm going to say when other people are talking. They just listen.
That's how a conversation happens. So what's your feeling about, I think it's fascinating when people- Would you ever move to Indiana? Yeah.
You would never live in Los Angeles. It's just not your speed.
No. Well, he did.
No, yeah, no. No, it's not my, I enjoy the four seasons.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it, I get it.
God, that's been coming up so much lately with us about LA and New York, right? JB, we were talking about it the other night. Yeah.
And I lived in New York for over 20 years. And when I left, when my kids were, my older kids were little, I moved to LA.
And I was like, I don't know if I ever want to move to New York. And now these days, more and more, I'm like, I really want to move back to New York.
I've been dying to live since I was 16. How come you— I mean, I would love— Why'd you stay? I would just love to because of the seasons, because of the— There are so many different industries that are centered there.
So the people you talk to have something to say about so many things you know nothing about.

Yeah, it's not a company town like L.A.

L.A. is such a company town.

Right, right.

It is boring in that way.

We always say that, like, if, you know,

if all your references are just about this...

Hey, what you working on?

Yeah, right.

That's what I feel when I come here,

but I didn't think, I was like, maybe I'm just,

because every time I come, it's for something

that is, you know, related to that. So I'm like, well, I've actually never spent time here, so I can't really say that.
P-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p It is stimulating. You see everybody's working, doing something that you don't know anything about.
It's very interesting. Which if you can, it's also nice to get out of the city if you can because because you can just be sitting in your apartment and feel the energy of the place outside and feel like you need to be doing something which is also like can be exhausting but but i know i love new york now they all always hopefully yeah yeah sorry just put your guys to sleep yeah i have a question for all three of you because you all three have kids when you take your kid to a school for the first time, it's got to be like, I don't want to deal with the...
I have to meet everybody. How are you? And then they are asking to ask you dumb questions.
Like, I'm asking you Adam dumb questions or whatever. You're going to find yourself trapped by teachers or other parents or whatever.
How do you deal with all that? Because're a because you're a known person you're in the public eye i i well when my son was born when he was in before he was in school i didn't really go outside with him much because i didn't want people to bother him and then and then the one time i went out with him in italy immediately you know we were like oh it's the pandemic Like clearly no one's following us and like, boom, they got us. And people like took pictures of my kid.
But then it was kind of like to a point where I should go outside with, I'm missing out on all this shit. Do you get hassled? Do you get hounded a lot by paparazzi and stuff like that? Not paparazzi necessarily, but people, you know.
And it's all good, you know, it's fine. But fine.
But after, when you're with your kid and you're trying to do something. And then now he's at the age where he's starting to track.
Put it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what does it look like for you? I mean, I do want to ask you a little bit about Ferrari because you talked about working with... I can't wait to see it.
Working with Michael Mann, obviously, what was that process like for you? Because, I mean, it was pretty all-encompassing, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was prosthetics that we didn't realize were going to be as involved. We had no money.
I mean, we had money, but not a lot of money for how Michael wanted to do it and not a lot of time. So it was very, you know, 17 hour days, sometimes a couple of times, 20 hour days in, in, in, uh, Modena, uh, you know, where everything was happening, uh, where everything happened for Enzo.
It's like the barbershop. You, he went to the same, the grandson of the guy who actually was his barber, the, the actual factory that, you crash was.
Everything is very meticulous and authentic and incredibly thoroughly researched. And going to the factory and seeing the engines shipping in some of the actual cars that won the Mila Mia, some of these $70 million Ferraris that he would just bring there just to get the sound you know and and and you know hook up nine mics to them and you know drive it through a tunnel you know it's very thorough you know yeah you kind of you kind of get it i mean it sounds you know but at the same time he's not uh he's very researched but is um is after something pretty abstract you know he it's well he's famously uh well researched and very meticulous about clothes and sound and all of the details but but then is is very uh good about uh making shit up in the moment well he he i you know you mentioned my advice i was a huge my advice fan um you were of the show oh god yeah of the show.
Yeah, he, you know, you mentioned Miami Vice. I was a huge Miami Vice fan.
You were? Of the show. Oh, God, yeah.
Of the show? Yeah, because I was a young teen when that show first came out. Did you dress like them? Oh, I bet he did.
Dude, when he, and DJ, Don Johnson knows this. I've told him he knows this.
He's a nice guy. When he shaved his head that, like, third season or whatever, went to a buzz cut, I did it.
That's how into it I was. I thought it was so fucking cool.
I'd never seen anything like it. And part of it was, A, Don is great.
It was so cool. But the way that Michael Mann understood the making of the film, the balance of, you know, really cool setups, really cool shots, he, you know, really making the most of it, setting the tone that he was able to set.
And with the music, he first guy who made like really cool model it was almost like a yeah a lot of those shows were almost like music videos in the in the middle that had these incredible montages and yeah it was just breathtaking to watch him you know do all that shit there's that really famous one where they have uh in the air tonight with phil collins that whole, that whole sequence with the camera set up on the side of the car.

You're watching the wheel

and then it's going down the thing

and then it's the reflection off the hood

and then he goes to that phone booth

that's miraculously at the end of a pier

all by itself.

Calls his ex-wife.

Calls his ex-wife, yeah.

Great shit.

And you watch that.

I mean, that was like 1984, man.

And like, just elevated shit.

Yeah.

He's very into re-watching his movies now. He's obsessed with internal life.
He really believes in it, that that's cinematic and interesting enough. And then when I watch like Last of the Mohicans or Heat or Last of the Mohicans in particular, they don't have a lot of screen time to really fall in love, but because they're, you

can tell they're so, you know,

filled, you know, internally, you

totally buy it. And he's really

into that. All of his notes are about internal

stuff. He's rare in

that way. Not a lot of directors

really talk about internal.

And that he trusts that the audience

can kind of read your mind a little bit.

If you're really cooking inside,

you don't need to say it. They'll lean forward

and try to read you.

Yeah, yeah. He's all about, all of his choices are about, like there's this thing where he's obsessed with ties.
There's a lot of famous stories about him, like, you know, someone will say an offhanded comment. I'm like, oh, that's a nice tie.
And he's like, what'd you say? And they're like, oh, I was just saying that he had a nice tie. He's like, okay, we gotta go find another tie and he'll spend two hours finding the right tie.
And then you ask him, he's like, well, if you're looking at the tie, then you're not looking at the actor's face. And I want you to be like engrossed in what's going on.
And he's like, the blacks in this scene aren't right. They need 50 like darker because then you can really get into the pupils you know it's all about like internal life he wants to see he which i think is you know that that's what makes those movies uh rewatchable and timeless is uh he there's a lot of respect that people will get it you know which fucking yeah it's all he's also got this he's also got, he's got like a Michael Mann three-quarter shot of this, like a handheld that's right behind an actor's ear and it just kind of creeps around a little bit and exposes just one of the eyes and it gets you inside an actor's head, like he, or a character's head.
He uses that quite a bit. I love that.
Yeah, I don't know if there's a, I don't know if there's a camera invented yet that would be able to reveal any inner life on Jason. No.
It's like a fucking dead. It's like a dial tone inside.
You hear like a wind going through an old outhouse out in the middle of the desert. That's the sound.
Yeah. I fall asleep real easy, you know.
You talked about, you talked about, you talked about driving, about Ferraris and stuff, so you got to drive. Had you ever driven a Ferrari before? No.
No, no. Never driven a Ferrari.
Do you have one now? No, no. Do you want one now? Would you ever get one? If they gave me one, sure, yeah.
Are you like a motorcycle guy at all? Yeah, I have a couple motorcycles, yeah. You do? Of course you do.
You've got children now, though, Adam. Yeah, I know, I know, but...
Yeah, let's get rid of those. Do you guys know this, that I had a Ferrari for a few years? Is that right? Really? Yeah, I had a Ferrari.
Wait, wait, wait, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had that old...
Did somebody fucking buy you one? It's a long story, but I had that. They did.
But I was gifted a Ferrari, but it was one of those old, you know, a Ferrari, the 412. It kind of looks like a coupe.
Do you remember that car? And at the beginning of Rain Man, Tom Cruise is driving that when he's going out to Palm Springs and he gets the phone call and he's got to turn around with the windmills in behind. It's a beautiful, beautiful car.
You want it to be Don Johnson and Tom Cruise. So you went ahead and you sold that Ferrari, the gift, to you and you turned a little profit, I guess, huh? I ended up selling it because, you know why?

Because if you didn't drive it all the time,

it would sit there and you would constantly have to, like, repair shit.

And that was just the way it was.

What a relatable story.

So you just pocketed, what did you get, about $150,000 for it or something like that?

No, no, because I paid so much.

A lot of taxes. Hey, Adam, it's been such a pleasure.
It does seem relatable, though. No, by the way, I know what you mean.
When does Ferrari come out? Christmas Day. Christmas fucking day.
Just in time. Okay, like a gift from Jesus.
Yeah, himself. Adam, I could just ask you, man, I'm just fascinated with, I'm such a fan of what you've done, man.
And I'm just so happy for you, dude. And you do seem like such a genuinely good guy.
Yeah, I love it. Honestly.
Big talent crush, like I said. Yeah, big talent.
And you know what, like Jason said, I wanted to say this before, and Jason said when people run into you, it's not like you're just like some, there's a difference between being a celebrity and being an actor. And you're such an actor.
And I mean that as such a compliment. You're such an artist.
I hate using that term, but it's true to you, man. And anyway, I just wanted to say that.
I just think that you're. That means a lot.
That really means that. Yeah, man.
Thank you. You are amazing, man.
I'm so glad that you joined us today. Thank you for doing this.
Yeah, no, thank you for having me. Yeah, thanks, buddy.
Yeah. I'll look you up when I get to Brooklyn.
No, he's good, man. He's good.
You're going to love it. Thanks, Adam.
Such a pleasure to meet you. Adam Driver, thanks, buddy.
Thanks for taking your time. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. All right.
All right. See you.
Bye. Wow.
Right? Yeah. JB, I knew you knew him.
Yeah, I'm surprised what didn't come up was some sort of tie-in to his last name and the Ferrari movie, right? Who's going to do that? One of these critics are going to do it, right? Somebody writing a review or something. The driver really drives this driving movie, huh? Something like that? They can go ahead and do that.
Yeah, well, if they're going to do it, it'll be probably a little bit sharper than that. No, probably something like that.
Yeah. Well, you know, the whole time, any time you said that word.
Nah, something like that. Nah, something like that.
He's really cool. He is very cool.
It's wild to meet him. It's really cool.
That's Kylo Ren. He's a very, very good dude.
Yeah. Yeah, he just, he seems very sort of, like he's got like a generous spirit.
Like you said, he's an actor. He's an actor's actor.
And he's an actor. Oh, yeah, he's an actor.
He's... Yeah, he's so good.
Calm. I was excited to have him.
He's going to be with us for a long time. He's going to be like one of our great actors, like until we're old and gray.
Yeah, for sure. And I just, I don't know, there's something about I love the fact that, and I know I don't feel like he did a good job of getting into it of like this the way that he just kept he applied to July during his 17 didn't get in but then he went into the military but then he came back to it he went like he was like he went to LA and then a car broke down and he fucking went home but he came back to it like he just he was not gonna be this is what he wanted to do and he knew he had a gift for it you don't stop till you get it you don't stop he's a serious person that also So it's got to be, this is what he wanted to do.
And he knew he had a gift for it. You don't stop until you get it.
You don't stop. He's a serious person that also has got a great sense of humor.
Yeah, he's really funny. Really, really funny.
I didn't know, first of all, didn't know he was in the Marine Corps. And that's why I asked him.
He did like a TED Talk where he talked about it. I saw that.
Oh, really? I don't follow all the TED Talks. Yeah, it's really...
You're not up in your TED Talks. I'm sure he's not the only actor that's been a Marine, but you don't hear about it a lot.
I mean, you know, there's not a lot of... The whole time he was there, that's why I asked him if he was thinking about acting.
What's that? Rob Riggle. Rob Riggle.
That I knew for some reason. But yeah, you don't hear about a lot.
So you didn't know he was in the Marines and what else? I didn't know he was in the Marines. And I like what he said about Michael Mann too about, you know, you always buy into it and everything that Adam does, I think.
Oh, I thought you just skipped by your buy right there. You said you buy into it.
Every part that Adam plays, you also buy into it. No, no, no.
Will, you got anything? I was going to say, less sloppy and just like easy way out, like as if you're late for a bus. I'm going to say, hearing what he said, those were really words to live.
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