"Selena Gomez"

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Speaker 1 Hey, Will.

Speaker 2 Hello there. Hey, Sean.

Speaker 2 Will, you got some real sweaty pits today.

Speaker 2 Are you concerned about anything or are you just

Speaker 1 nervous?

Speaker 1 Nervous. I just took a lie detector.
Oh, wow. And what was the result?

Speaker 1 I'm a liar.

Speaker 1 Anyway, this episode is going to be great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're going to work out some truth.

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Speaker 1 Hold up to take a look at all your hot look at he's so tired. He's still got it so tired still got it

Speaker 2 Sean, you had a hot Bob once, didn't you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had a hot toddy, a hot Bob, and a hot Mike.

Speaker 2 You ever had a hot Bob haircut?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you did on the, whatchamacallit, Stooges film.

Speaker 1 I had that shelf haircut in the 80s where you cut it starting to back. Did you really? Yeah,

Speaker 2 that sounds very depeche mode.

Speaker 1 It's totally TDM, total depeche mode. I had like kind of long and then it's short in the back.

Speaker 2 Ew, you had it like covering one of your eyes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just kind of like coming, you know.

Speaker 2 Archie's kind of got that, right? Your eldest son, there, listener.

Speaker 1 He's got a little bit of a, what's that?

Speaker 2 Kind of looking through his hair.

Speaker 1 Now it's kind of long all, all around.

Speaker 1 What's that? That's a what's that haircut? What's that? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't hear you because my hair is blocking my eyes, not my ears.

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Speaker 1 Richard Ehrlich is your guy. He's amazing.
And he's also

Speaker 1 an OG super fan of Smartlist.

Speaker 2 Yes. So hello to Richard if you're listening here.

Speaker 2 Richard's got a Richard's got, I may have bored you with this before,

Speaker 2 he's got a mirror face like we all do, but

Speaker 2 he's got a trigger sentence that launches that mirror face. You know, everyone's got a face that they use.

Speaker 2 Well, when you look in the mirror, when you want to look your best, like one last look to go out, you kind of tighten up the eyes and maybe turn your head a little bit.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.

Speaker 2 So what Richard does to prompt the mirror look he's looking for is he pretends that he is asking someone for directions, right?

Speaker 2 He's pulled up in his car next to someone walking their dog maybe, and he asked them directions, and they give him the directions.

Speaker 2 And he looks forward over the steering wheel, and then he figures, well, I didn't hear it correctly. And then he'll turn to his left to the person, and he'll go, it's where

Speaker 2 and so it's where the combination of the turn and the question will tighten up the eyes just enough and give them just enough disdain that to look sexy it's where yeah that's a good that's a good red carpet like so

Speaker 2 disdain that's the new one right yeah he never looks hotter than when he says it's where

Speaker 1 which is so crazy because he's such a nice guy he's a nice guy and he's nice looking but i know he's just not good with directions

Speaker 2 Sean, good morning. Good morning to you.
What have you done so far today aside from putting on some smartless swag I see there on your body? You know, he's always wearing smartless shit, Will.

Speaker 2 Like, like we're televising this, and he's helping move merchandise.

Speaker 1 I wear it because I really like it. I sleep in it.

Speaker 1 He sleeps in it. And Sean,

Speaker 1 what was the sleep schedule last night? Because you have a weird, you wake up in the night and then you go back to bed early in the morning. I go to bed at about midnight.
I get up at about 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 I stay up until about 6 or 7. Then I fall back asleep for a couple hours and I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 And then I need like a 10 minutes. And then I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 Total chaos. And then I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 It is total chaos. I'll send emails at 3 or 4 in the morning.
I know. I know.
Oh, I know. Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 Don't start doing Will. By the way, I love the way your impression of me just has the dumbest look on your face.

Speaker 2 You know what we've done here, Sean, though?

Speaker 2 We've boosted up young Willie. Willie started this.

Speaker 2 He started a pod a little bit down, a little bit out of sorts.

Speaker 1 And then it's just a little bit of love.

Speaker 2 And now

Speaker 1 the wings are flapping.

Speaker 2 All right, tighten up, guest. Here we come.
Today,

Speaker 2 we have a guest who's a giant in many categories. She's a Titan in music, acting, producing, philanthropy, business, and social media.

Speaker 2 If you wanted to describe a person who's uniquely suited to soar in today's media and cultural systems, you would simply say her name.

Speaker 2 I think she's a Grammy, Emmy, SAG, Golden Globe, and Critics Choice nominated musician, actress, and producer. Her music has amassed 34 billion streams globally.

Speaker 2 She's got a movie coming out, a TV show that's already on, and a company that exceeds 300 million in sales annually.

Speaker 2 And when she's not running those things, she's keeping up with her 428 million followers on Instagram.

Speaker 2 What else needs to be said, guys? Please welcome the lazy, unaccomplished, unmotivated, and perpetually failing Ms. Selena Gomez.

Speaker 1 Woo-hoo!

Speaker 2 Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 The unmotivated.

Speaker 1 Unmotivated, perpetually failing. It's so hard not to laugh.
It was so hard. Wow.
Oh, my gosh, Selena. Hello.
Hi. Hi, guys.
I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 2 This is a very nice thing you're doing for us and our listeners.

Speaker 1 I don't know. This is more my thing.
I'm so happy. That's pretty cool of you.
If we didn't know, it looks like you were lying in bed and sheets with an overhead. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 Well, that is my beautiful background that I made for you guys because I figured that would be better than you're keeping it real.

Speaker 2 Listener, she's got just a sheet draped over just a bunch of dead bodies behind you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, perhaps what it is?

Speaker 1 Good work. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Nice segue into murders.

Speaker 1 So, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, we're going to get to that. We're going to get to that.
So, Selena, where do we find you this morning? Are you in Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 I am. I am home right now, and I just had my coffee, and yep.

Speaker 2 What time do you usually get up every morning? I'm a 6.30 guy.

Speaker 1 I'm about 7, 7.30.

Speaker 2 Are there animals to feed?

Speaker 1 Yes, I have two dogs. You do? What kind?

Speaker 1 They're little monkey poos. They're pretty annoying, but cute.
Two the same. Is that because your body gets you up at seven or you just like? No, my body does.
I think,

Speaker 1 I don't know. For some reason, maybe the show or something, it's just embedded in me that I'm automatically up, and then I feel like a piece of shit if I wake up at like 10.
Sure, yes,

Speaker 1 even though those are nice.

Speaker 2 What is that about the body that'll just wake you up at the same time every single day?

Speaker 1 Circadia rhythm, circadia rhythm. Marveling at the body.
Look at this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then if you just

Speaker 2 point it, and then if you point your eyes at something, it tells your brain what you're seeing.

Speaker 1 It's just a discovery.

Speaker 1 You're like a one-man Spielberg movie. Just a wonderment of that.

Speaker 2 Guys, if you pull this foot in front of another, you'll just end up moving forward.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 2 All right, so Salita, with these two dogs, they're Maltese, Malty Poos.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's a combo, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. That's a mix.
Very cute.

Speaker 2 They're brother and sister?

Speaker 1 No, they are. I got them at two different times, but They definitely don't act like brother and sister.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Rescues, purebreads. We can cut that if you want.
No, no, no. I actually

Speaker 1 not afraid to say during COVID, I was very scared and lonely. And I found one on Craigslist

Speaker 1 because the mom was like, we had babies and we don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 Yes. They were like, we don't know what to do.
Our dog had puppies. So I was like, I'll take one.

Speaker 2 Clear out for a joke.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Will. No, no, no, no.
No, it actually was really sketchy, though. They like drove in from Vegas and like rolled the window halfway down and then passed me the dog and wanted the cash.

Speaker 1 I was like, all right, my, my, my, I did have a bad experience. I did have a bad experience once.

Speaker 1 This guy posted on Craigslist and he said, who wants for a hundred bucks, you want to come out and check out these puppies?

Speaker 1 And let me say, when I got to his house,

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 1 not

Speaker 1 dogs. Dogs.
It was not dogs.

Speaker 1 Come check out these puppies for 100 bucks.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Will. Thank you.
You rest again.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Let's

Speaker 1 literally

Speaker 2 in your own mouth.

Speaker 2 We're a little slappy this morning.

Speaker 1 We are super slappy.

Speaker 1 Selena, isn't it better to get this over with than in the afternoon?

Speaker 1 No, I actually don't mind this. This is a great way to start my day.
You guys are making me.

Speaker 2 Well, keep your knees bent. It's not over yet.
We'll let you revisit that at the end, see if you still love it.

Speaker 2 All right, now, Selena, you're incredibly accomplished. You started very young.
I want to know.

Speaker 2 So, you started with acting, yes, because mom was an actor and got you kind of interested in that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she actually never pressured me or said that's what I should do. She just did a lot of theater growing up, so she never really did anything television-wise.

Speaker 1 And I was seven when I got my first job because I was only a child, super dramatic. And I was like,

Speaker 1 I'm so capable of this. And I

Speaker 1 did kind of all it takes.

Speaker 1 But it worked and I've just been working ever since. And I

Speaker 1 was very lucky. That was Barney, the perfect.
Oh, that's crazy. You were Barney with Barney.
Yes. Yep.
That's an pretty rat. The guy who played Barney, he was pretty hot.
Was he? Was he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was hot. He had to be like fit and like cute because he's wearing this like,

Speaker 1 well, he doesn't have to be cute, but he was. Barney.
Hot Barney. This is changing everything.
He's a new doc. So he was a plushie.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh. I'm sorry, Sean.

Speaker 1 Just quick for Tracy, really quick. Just to break it up.
Does Tracy need to know this? Does she want to know what a plushie is?

Speaker 1 Plushie is like a fetish where people dress up in like costumes and stuff, right? Not her million.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, right?

Speaker 2 You don't need to say right question mark to us.

Speaker 1 Like, we're going to hear something or something.

Speaker 2 That is correct, Sean.

Speaker 2 All right. So we're with Barney and we're having fun on that.
And then from there,

Speaker 1 how did Barney happen? I really want to know. It was, yeah, it was like a little like thing, but I was in line with 1,400 people on a hot Texas day.

Speaker 1 And my mom was like, are you sure you want to do this? I was like, yeah. My mom was like, I'm fine.

Speaker 1 Because you knew what TV was and you thought it would be cool to be on the TV. Yeah, I was, I mean, my mom wasn't very intense about what I could watch.

Speaker 1 So I would stay up and watch friends with her and Will and Grace. And

Speaker 1 that was like what I grew up with. Barney Barney and Willing Grace.
Barney and Will and Grace. For the longest time, by the way, on my bio on Instagram, says I love Will and Grace.

Speaker 1 No way. That's so funny.
Yeah, through like a solid year. And then everyone was like, can you maybe change that? I was like, that's very sweet.

Speaker 2 Did you ever see the episode where

Speaker 2 Will was in a dance-off with Sean? Janet Jackson. With Janet Jackson.

Speaker 1 You did? I was a backup dancer. I played a backup dancer.
Oh, that's right. And then Karen got mad because she fell for you.
And yes, I remember. Yes.
Oh, my God. You really are a fan.

Speaker 2 wait Will I remember you snapping those moves I think I was there that night right you were there that night you really know how to finish a move remember how exciting

Speaker 1 but we were so tired and Jimmy's like okay let's do it again I looked at Sean I'm like

Speaker 1 five points but Selena do you know just as a as a Will of Gray super fan you know that we there's a podcast that Sean does called just Jack and Will that he does with Eric McCormick no I do know I actually do know and I remember like my friend sent me the link link because she knew that I was obsessed, and I had no idea.

Speaker 1 Sean, did you know that Selena Gomez was such a huge Will and Grace fan? I did because I'm really good friends with Marty Short. Oh, yeah.
And then we chatted on the phone.

Speaker 1 Me and Selena chatted on the phone like a year ago or something. And you were like, oh, my God.
And I was like, oh, my God. I know.
I freaked out. And then I was like,

Speaker 2 oh my God. And she was like.

Speaker 1 No, likewise, Selena. I'm a huge fan of her.
You're kind of a bit of a meat cue. No, I'm very, I'm very excited.
I

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 with you. Me too.
And I grew up with you.

Speaker 1 53. 53.
All right. So we do,

Speaker 2 we're galloping along with acting. We've got the Barney under our belts.
We'll move into Waverly Place.

Speaker 1 Yes, my Disney show.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And a few other jobs here and there. And things are really moving.

Speaker 1 Cooking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then there's a cooking show later. We're going to get to that.

Speaker 2 But when did music

Speaker 2 start to tap you on the shoulder and say, hey, come this way?

Speaker 1 Well, I think that Disney is

Speaker 1 safe to say they're a machine. And they kind of, in a way, not forcefully required that I know how to sing so I could sing like the theme song.

Speaker 1 Like they know how to package someone and like make it like a whole triple threat thing.

Speaker 2 This was happening during Waverly?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they asked me to do the theme song and I had fun with that and then they were like, would you like to do an album?

Speaker 1 And I I thought it would be fun, and I thought more than anything, it would be like a hobby that I really enjoyed. And then

Speaker 1 I wanted to be a serious actress. I was 15.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And I wanted to be an actress. I'd never really intended on being a singer full-time, but apparently that hobby turned into

Speaker 2 something else. Now, did you have any idea that you could sing before you tried it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I was on Barney. I had to do I love you.
You love you.

Speaker 2 Well, that's not very challenging.

Speaker 1 You know, it warmed up my vocals. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 There you go. And then, and then, because of that, did you take like singing lessons and developed your instrument, as they say? You know, I did.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm the best singer, but I think I know how to tell stories and I love being able to make songs that, you know, I get more like a, I always get people coming up to me saying, I had no idea it was you that was singing that song.

Speaker 1 And that kind of makes it feel nice. It makes to me that I feel like it's just about the song.
Then, I mean, Wizards of Waverly Place was a gigantic hit show. Yeah, I miss it.
You did?

Speaker 2 I want to say my sister wrote on that for a second.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 She was a writer on that, maybe. I might not be writing that.

Speaker 1 But it was, it was a blast. Like, I will say, yes, that's why I love sitcom.
Did you say you have a good memory, Jason?

Speaker 2 No, not really.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Wayne, we're going to get right back to you. But, Selena, I want to.

Speaker 1 so what is it? It's Will.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Scott.

Speaker 2 So

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Speaker 1 I love the bits.

Speaker 1 I love it.

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Speaker 2 all right so then you know that you can kind of sing a little bit and and the music starts to take off like i guess what i'm asking is at what point was the acting and the music at the same level and you kind and you thought what do i have to pick or should i try to keep both these things going at the same speed i started having a lot of fun with music and then touring was really fun.

Speaker 1 But I was doing my TV show at the same time and it wizards and I just

Speaker 1 found it really fun. So I just kept going.
But the older I get, the more I'm kind of like,

Speaker 1 I would like to find something to just settle on. Yeah.
Well, it's exhausting, right? I mean, that sounds like super, that's so hard.

Speaker 1 I just think about the energy. This is such an older.
Oh my God. I went to a mental institute and canceled one of my tours like really

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 it was so exhausting yeah it just got to me because I I love working and it distracts me from bad things and I like that so I just like working I was just yeah I was just saying that this morning by the way it reminds me my three-year-old Denny he he calls lizards um because he can't say L, he calls him wizards.

Speaker 1 So I was like, we, so he's, I was like, we just saw there's a wizard in the backyard. I'm like, God, I hope he's right.
I really hope there's a wizard in the backyard.

Speaker 2 But Selena, you're saying that in a perfect world, you would pick either one or the other going forward.

Speaker 1 Well, I do feel like I have one more album in me, but I would probably choose acting. You would? Yes.

Speaker 2 God damn, you're so great at music, though.

Speaker 1 Here's the good news. You don't have to pick.
Don't have to pick. You're right, but I am going to want to chill because I'm tired.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 yeah, I mean, reading through, I can tell you, we've had some very accomplished people on this show. Thank you, listeners, for making it a place where accomplished people want to come.

Speaker 2 I have never read so much information about a guest than I have about you. I mean, the things you have done in your,

Speaker 2 I mean, you're just barely 30, aren't you?

Speaker 1 31.

Speaker 2 It's just so admirable what you've done.

Speaker 2 Even

Speaker 2 ongoing in philanthropy and in

Speaker 2 in in global uh sort of charities and and being in uh what a unicef um ambassador i was a unicef ambassador and now i have my own foundation yeah it's just stunning and we haven't even gotten to rare beauty this this uh this this beauty company the makeup company what do you call it rare beauty yeah but i mean what what would you describe it as a beauty company or

Speaker 1 yeah i would say cosmetics um you know it's it's been really fun but we're actually starting to get into skin now. I know this is all girly stuff, but I'm excited.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 I'm wearing makeup right now.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 I know, but

Speaker 1 we're going into skin now. It's about three years old, and it's honestly been the biggest gift because I launched it during COVID, and it just took off, and I couldn't be more thankful.

Speaker 1 Did you launch it during COVID because you had time to finally, because you weren't on tour and you weren't shooting, you're like, now I have time to dedicate to this? And it came up.

Speaker 1 It sucked.

Speaker 1 I was supposed to release it like a month right into COVID. So I had done all the promotion and everything.
It's about to come out. And then we figured, all right, we'll just try online.

Speaker 1 And I think makeup became really big during COVID because people would do the videos and they would, you know, you know, create looks and it kind of just took off. And

Speaker 1 I'm always like, like confused and just grateful because I've never been the type of person that want I don't want to be or need to be the number one anything and I think that's what my mom has instilled in me because I don't I don't feel like anything's a competition so I'm I feel like there's room for everyone so yeah I'm really proud do you think like it's when you started Barney at seven and then wizards and then all this do you think that your work ethic and your drive and your ambition was instilled in you or would have happened anyway?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I would, I'm probably would have been a hot mess if I wasn't doing this.
I already am, but

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Obviously, tell us how.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've been to like four treatment centers and

Speaker 1 just because of depression, anxiety, right? Yeah, yeah. And I'm bipolar as well.
Yeah, well, you've cherry on top.

Speaker 2 I would say you've got an incredible

Speaker 2 dynamic head on your shoulders that takes a lot of management and uh and analysis and it sounds like you're doing a pretty freaking good job yeah

Speaker 1 thank you

Speaker 1 i don't know disney was like boot camp you know they were dead you know who doesn't have problems you know who doesn't have problems lena dummies you know i mean it truly i mean that's where you get that truth

Speaker 1 blissful ignorance that's where it comes from you know you need to be really smart to be complicated yeah and i'm so greedy

Speaker 2 i don't know i can move yeah i think you're doing great it's not getting in your way of your accomplishments. And you and I have talked a few times.
You're incredibly nice. So

Speaker 2 your personal success is fantastic as well, as opposed to your business success. So

Speaker 2 whatever you're doing, keep going. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Are you super excited? So your mom, as you said, your mom is or was an actress, and kind of that sort of paved the way for you to get into it and take it seriously. And

Speaker 1 you mentioned you're an only child. Imagine you're still pretty close with your folks.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And was that like, when you started to make that transition into becoming a star at a really young age, what was that dynamic like with your folks?

Speaker 1 Like, how much did you rely on them to kind of be there?

Speaker 1 And how has that relationship changed as you've gotten older? I mean, did you notice that? Yeah, I think when I was younger, my mom... I mean, my mom was my mom.
I was under 18.

Speaker 1 So I was getting invited to these events and stuff. And my mom, from a very early age, was like, you're going to walk the carpet.

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll stay for five minutes, but then adult time is probably going to happen. And, you know, it's like the vanity fair parties and all that stuff.
And so she was,

Speaker 1 she was always very protective of me, but it never really felt like it was suffocating. And she would always say the same thing to me.
She said, the moment you stop having fun, stop. It's okay.

Speaker 1 You know, like you, you don't need. to just kill yourself over, you know, something.

Speaker 1 Because the hours, right. And the hours of people don't understand that the hours hours and hours and hours of work that it takes to do a TV show, a tour, whatever it is, or a movie.

Speaker 1 It's just like for a kid. It's hard enough to be a kid.
I just think about my own kids and being young teenagers, my older boys, and I'm just thinking.

Speaker 2 And then the younger ones with the speech problems.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I was looking for wizards.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's like the idea

Speaker 1 of them, like Sean, we were over there watching the movie the other night with Archie like, can you imagine Archie? He's 15

Speaker 1 being on the road and working all the time. I think like, no, he he wouldn't be able to.
He wouldn't be happy. He was what was Selena saying?

Speaker 1 It's tough, right?

Speaker 1 It's tough. No, it is.
And the transition honestly happened around 25 where I didn't feel like I had to impress my parents more so.

Speaker 1 But my mom was also really cool because right after Disney, she put me in a movie called Spring Breakers. Like, she found that movie.
And it's,

Speaker 1 you know, very racy.

Speaker 1 Right. Very.
But it was fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't, I mean,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm sure your mom was not strategic with grabbing that, nor were you, but I'm sure that there was some thought put into it where this would sort of broaden the public's idea about that which you can do and that which is fitting of when they think about you.

Speaker 2 She can do this. She can do that.

Speaker 1 And or was it just a part of like, well, this is a little bit closer to who she's starting to become, not somebody who's my mom was a huge harmony croin fan and um she heard there was a script out and so she's she was interested in it and the character i play isn't as racy so i was like 19 when i did it and she just came up to me she goes this will make no sense and you're probably going to think i'm crazy but just read this

Speaker 1 And I read it and I don't know, I gravitated towards the character and then I met Harmony and I was like, oh, game over.

Speaker 1 He's just really cool how did your mom have the sense to know good material from bad material or the writing she was really great at that stuff you know we we she found the book 13 reasons why which we turned into a TV show so she randomly was at a bookstore and she was a young adult and found that and we developed it she she just has really nice taste you know instincts clearly it's yeah she's really great so I like to ask her advice on things that's great awesome yeah I love that you guys are so close yes um you know uh we can cut this apart too but I I am fascinated and and thankful for how outspoken you are about mental health yeah because I have somebody very very close to me who I've had to deal with with it and not deal with it but just like help with it and I was happy to help with it and

Speaker 1 But do you

Speaker 2 will say thank you to him.

Speaker 1 You've never publicly thanked him, Will.

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say the same thing. All jokes aside, Jason, you dick.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, oh no, jk uh i was going to say uh uh i like the way i like the way that you're so open and frank about that about mental health and i think that it's something that people

Speaker 1 luckily talk about more and more but i think it's really refreshing to hear you talk about it in a way that's very just sort of matter of fact and and i think it's really

Speaker 1 i don't know it shows real maturity and it and it shows uh i think it's very uh

Speaker 1 brave and I think it helps so many people the way that you talk honestly in that way. I really did.
It struck me. I think it's really remarkable.
It is. It's great.

Speaker 1 Because my mom, you know, died of Alzheimer's a long time ago. I forget when.

Speaker 1 And because I

Speaker 1 because it was so painful.

Speaker 1 Because it was so painful, I just, me and my sister and my family, we would, there's a point where you have to start making it funny. Yeah.
Because you've cried too much about it.

Speaker 1 So then you cut it with humor. And I have the funniest, you know, Alzheimer's stories like ever because I lived through it and it was so tragic that, you know, my mom,

Speaker 1 we can cut this too, but my mom would go to the bathroom. She'd go number two in the toilet.
And I'd walk in there. I go, Mom, you have to flush the toilet.
She goes, I don't know who did that.

Speaker 1 I don't know whose dad is.

Speaker 1 They came in here when I was here. They went to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 No one cannot prove that that's mine.

Speaker 1 And we would laugh because you, because it was past the point. So my question is, have you

Speaker 1 me dealing with somebody with myself? You might take a shit and forgotten. No, no, no, no.
Have you ever?

Speaker 1 No, have you ever

Speaker 1 have ever just kind of infused humor into the whole situation definitely um i also have a few friends that are you know in comedy and writers and it it's it's just fun you know and now me and my family are in a place where we can do that and yeah um and i don't mind saying the things that i'm walking through and they can be fun and they can be messy but yeah i've always

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 2 yeah just knowing more I feel better and it gives so many people myself included

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 a little bit more comfort in the reality that I'm not you know

Speaker 2 I'm I'm kind of broken upstairs we all are there there are as many mental variables in all of us as there are physical ones you can see the physical ones someone's taller someone's shorter someone's thicker someone's thinner someone's got bigger feet smaller feet like there are, there are equal number of variables in the brain.

Speaker 2 And the fact that we've got medicine, therapeutics, an environment that is tolerant of all of those variables nowadays, as opposed to back when our parents were our age is

Speaker 1 on top of that community, the idea that you're talking about it, it sheds a light and says you're not alone. There's somebody else and somebody else can relate to that and identify with it.

Speaker 1 Certainly I know from my own life and I can go,

Speaker 1 somebody else says, I have this and they go, oh, and they talk about their experience and I go, oh, you have this too.

Speaker 1 And then we can talk about it in a way that, and that kind of really breaks it wide open. It definitely.
It connects you as well. I mean, that's why I released my documentary.

Speaker 1 It's all based on mental health.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I haven't seen it.
I'm so forgive.

Speaker 1 No, I, it's

Speaker 1 right. We're going to watch it.
No. No, I'm putting it on here.

Speaker 1 But it ends well. I just, I think that's why I did the documentary.
I was terrified before it came out and I had already signed the contract and I was like, damn, I can't go back.

Speaker 1 But that was a really big moment for me. And then I had people coming up to me, not saying like, oh my God, can I have a picture? They would say.

Speaker 1 I've dealt with depression or I've done this. And then I end up having a connection with people.
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 Sometimes with all my health stuff, like I've had a kidney transplant, I have high blood pressure.

Speaker 1 I, gosh, I have

Speaker 1 mental health and

Speaker 1 I don't even know. I'm sure I have other problems that I'm not aware of.
I love talking about you can think about like a situation and say, why me, why me?

Speaker 1 And instead, it's given me the gift to say, oh, I know why it's me. I'm there for those people that are going through what I went through.

Speaker 1 And I can say, I hear you and I see you, not just be in and say, my life's perfect. I'm sorry.
You know, it's like, well, I can be honest with you.

Speaker 2 I'm a big believer that the person upstairs or whomever's upstairs for anybody doesn't give you anything more than what you can handle. Yes.

Speaker 2 And so the fact that you've been given all of these gifts, challenges,

Speaker 2 and that you're able to go through them so successfully. in a public space such that you can give encouragement and support and and uh to others is like i mean talk about using your years right.

Speaker 2 You know, we've talked about it on the show before about, you know, when you, when you get to the end, you're going to, we're all going to look back and hope that we used our time correctly.

Speaker 2 Definitely. I mean, the first 30 years of your life have been incredibly accomplished spiritually, 20 lives, mentally,

Speaker 2 certainly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess the question really is now what? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you're fixing your brain. Better follow the world.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think

Speaker 1 I just, I gravitate towards things I connect to, and

Speaker 1 I'm all about authenticity. I can't really force myself to be anything other than who I am.
And it's just, you know, luckily worked.

Speaker 2 I'll bet your ability to recognize and attract those who are equally authentic is really keen, too. You know, like I was just thinking when you're talking about the documentary, thinking about

Speaker 2 Alexishian

Speaker 2 and his sister, Aline, we both work with. I mean,

Speaker 2 people like that, like you probably have a great team around you, great friends around you. Like all of us as we get older, you have less and less friends, but that's usually by choice.

Speaker 2 Talk to us about your ability to kind of pick up on

Speaker 2 people's uniqueness and authenticity or lack thereof. Is that something you always had or has it just gotten sharper?

Speaker 1 Maybe it has gotten sharper, but ever since I was younger,

Speaker 1 I like to think I had good discernment with people.

Speaker 1 And I could just sense when I felt that it was being forced or that there was something they were wanting or whatever I just could feel that in a lot of people and I mean obviously I introdu I put some of those people in my life when I was younger and then I you know later realized but most of my friends like I said they're I mean they can go from being a writer to one of my friends is a real one of my friends is a realtor so like I kind of

Speaker 1 kind of just it's not Richard Ehrlich is it no

Speaker 2 yeah well it's it it's it's it's like it's having people skills right and I wonder if if you're like me that's part of what has always attracted me to being an actor is because I'm just fascinated with people and I really enjoy kind of reading people and seeing is this a person is this person a match for me or not

Speaker 1 and I just wonder what that is also it's curious it's just staying curious right yeah the moment you stop being curious then you like Jason just said you become one of those dummies yeah Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I love life and I love people and I find it really fun.

Speaker 2 Do you find that,

Speaker 2 which do you find is more cathartic for you, more sort of

Speaker 2 a lane to explore and enjoy parts of you? Is it with playing different characters or being a songwriter?

Speaker 1 I think it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 I wrote this ballad called Lose You to Love Me, and that was probably the most personal song I'd ever released about something that was on everyone's mind for some reason.

Speaker 1 And then in acting, I feel like I

Speaker 1 have these moments in my life that have happened and I'm able to use that and it actually feels great.

Speaker 1 And it feels, you know, like after a good cry or something, it's, it's like a good feeling. And

Speaker 1 is there something that you, I mean, this is going to be one of the dumbest questions you've ever gotten.

Speaker 1 Is there something with every single thing that you've done where you're just like, you know what, I've never done? I want to, I need to do that before. Oh, yeah, I don't think I've even

Speaker 1 began in a lot of areas. Like, I not necessarily cosmetics and stuff, but like I've said many times with you guys, I think acting.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think I've been able to even touch the surface of what I know that I'm capable of doing. And I'm very selective, or else I'd be in all of the movies that I get offered.

Speaker 1 And I just fight for my roles, and I'm always auditioning. So I like to earn it.
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Speaker 2 Something I've I've sort of

Speaker 2 really gotten more and more passionate about is

Speaker 2 not playing characters as much as just playing somebody that doesn't

Speaker 2 force me to do a lot of acting and play a character. I kind of like to be the audience.

Speaker 2 And a lot of that comes from my desire to try to be as not full of shit as possible in my life and not be fake and phony and pretending to be other people.

Speaker 2 So I really like trying to be as authentic as I can. Do you have a similar sort of battle when you think about acting? Because

Speaker 2 you're so good about being really you and being in your skin and being honest. Does that run counter to the whole thing that we try to do as actors?

Speaker 1 Kind of, but I just finished this movie, this Jacques Gardiard film, and it's all in Spanish and it's a musical and it was one of the most challenging things that I had done.

Speaker 1 That's cool. But it's really really Emilia Perez.

Speaker 1 I think that will come out next year.

Speaker 1 But it's so good if you just said none of your business.

Speaker 1 I'm excited for that because there's, for example, there's the scene where I'm being left. I'm not giving anything away.
And I remember I channeled the moment when I had to go to

Speaker 1 rehab for the first time. and leaving.
And I remember I told my co-star that's what I was feeling in the moment.

Speaker 1 And I just felt like it was getting that out when I remembered that first moment and being terrified.

Speaker 1 That's cool.

Speaker 1 So it felt really cathartic. Speaking of that, have you ever wanted to go to, you know what I'm going to ask, go to the Broadway or do live theater? And maybe you have.
I haven't.

Speaker 1 I think I would like to. I'm not sure I'm there yet because I think I'd still be a little nervous.
Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 After touring and stuff. You've already been like a stage performer.

Speaker 1 No, but it's different because I love when I'm doing my concert because it's like, oh, these are my peeps, you know, and like you feel comfortable. You feel safer.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Well, will you talk more about that? About

Speaker 2 battling, because like I get very nervous when I have to speak publicly. Like I can't even give a toast.
Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he goes white.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I have an enormous amount of confidence when it comes to other things that are going to be made for

Speaker 1 the public.

Speaker 2 like a million friends of camera. Right.
From millions of people as opposed to 10 people at a dinner table.

Speaker 2 So I don't understand that about myself, the difference between having a lot of confidence or zero confidence that are sort of similar things.

Speaker 1 Because, Jay, because you're so well spoken in life, just, I mean, clearly in life, that's why it blows my mind that anytime we're at like a dinner party or like two or three years ago, we were at your birthday dinner party at Richard's house.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I said, let's go around the room and say how grateful, how much we we love Jason.
And I'll start.

Speaker 1 And I got up and I gave this little speech, and it got to and you were like, I'm out, I don't want any part of this.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah,

Speaker 2 but I, yeah, so how do you manage that?

Speaker 2 Like, what is that switch that flicks for you when you can stand up in front of you know a hundred thousand people and give a concert or do a movie or a television show that's going to be for millions of people

Speaker 2 versus

Speaker 2 like maybe going out on a date for the first time or or

Speaker 2 doing an interview for a magazine or whatever might give you anxiety. Do you know what that is, that different thing? Because I'm still trying to figure it out with myself.

Speaker 1 I think when I was younger,

Speaker 1 I had a very,

Speaker 1 very public life and it wasn't fair in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 that I got to the point so much so that I was like, if I don't talk about what's going on, everyone's going to continue to narrate my life and people are just going to buy it.

Speaker 1 And I need people to hear from me.

Speaker 1 And I genuinely stopped caring. Like, I don't, I don't care.
Like, I would be happy to stand up and speak very highly of someone. I'd be happy to do it.

Speaker 1 Even if I mess up, I'm like, all right, well, that sucked, but you know, I tried. Like, it's fine.

Speaker 1 So I don't know if I'm just, I've done it for too long that I just have lost a little bit of that fear, but I still get the butterfly feeling. feeling

Speaker 1 so maybe I just got used to it and then I'm kind of like well people are gonna like it or or not yeah I have a friend of mine

Speaker 1 Maria Shriver she you know I've known her for years and years and decades and she I whenever I would have dinner at her house she she's the one who forced me to get up and talk like that and it's so I was littered you know sorry I was riddled with fear about it and but I she forced me to do it she's like we're gonna go around and stand up and speak how you feel.

Speaker 1 And I was like, pass. I'm going to the next one.
Were you so nervous because you had just littered? Is that what it was?

Speaker 1 Like, I'm having a tough time following what happened.

Speaker 2 But, but, Jay, Maria, but now that you're saying it, I think, like, for me, it's like, I'm afraid of being

Speaker 2 of being accused or judged as either being an, being full of shit or being stuck up. I think I had a real complex about being conceited and stuck up when I was in, when I was in middle school.

Speaker 2 Like sixth and seventh grade was really hard for me in school because people, oh, here comes that guy on TV. He's stuck up.
So I wasn't really,

Speaker 2 I was shy about being confident because people would think I was stuck up. So then I tried to seem not confident.
And then maybe that part of me kind of took hold.

Speaker 1 But what's crazy about that, though, is think about it. That's inauthentic.
Yeah, exactly. If you think about it,

Speaker 1 you fell victim to the very thing that you were trying to prevent.

Speaker 1 I mean that honestly. And when you're thinking about it that much,

Speaker 1 you put a space between you and people you're trying to connect with, Jay. I really mean it.

Speaker 1 And if you can break that down and react in real time, then it will never be inauthentic. But the second you start thinking about you're trying to curate what other people think of you,

Speaker 1 that's inauthentic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because it makes me so nervous because I'm having to manage two things at the very same time.

Speaker 1 Right, right. Because you're true.
Because you're taking care of their feelings before yours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're never going to be able to,

Speaker 1 I remember somebody saying once, you can't tell everybody how to treat you or how to look at you. There's nothing you can do about the way people think about you.
All you can do is,

Speaker 1 yeah, there's, there's that. And also, like, you'll never, you'll never get it.
Selena, one second. Yeah,

Speaker 1 no, it's just, yeah, I'm enjoying this. I like this conversation.

Speaker 1 But really, just really quick, it's the same thing that I've carried around for so long being gay is like, I've constantly, my entire life I just came out my entire life

Speaker 1 I've been I spent taking care of other people's feelings and putting mine second and then you have to reach a point where Selena is saying we're like I can't I'm exhausted but why did you do that for other

Speaker 1 feelings with with regards to you being gay is that what you mean yeah yeah with Like if I enter a room, even today, I still have a little bit left over, but for the most part, I don't care.

Speaker 1 It's like I have to check, like I, I'm so used to it. It's in my blood now to check how people think about me entering a room.
Are they thinking about my really being a room? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I used to do this when I was younger. I remember I was doing an interview and I sat down and there was probably 14 people behind the camera.

Speaker 1 And I was, I think I was maybe 21 and I started to sweat and I like ran away and I started crying because this is what I was thinking. I was like, these people probably think I sound stupid.

Speaker 1 They're going to go home and tell their partners or friends about how much of an idiot I am. And I feel like a horrible like

Speaker 1 interviewer. I just, it, it used to kill me.
Yes. Panic attack.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've had that. And I couldn't, I could, and I couldn't, I was stuck there.

Speaker 2 And it just becomes exponentially more horrific and terrifying because you, now you're convinced, now they can see that I'm having a panic attack. Now it gets even worse.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so you have that too, huh?

Speaker 1 I mean, I still fall back into it, but I've, you know, here and there. But for the most part, I'm like, I really mean this.
I'm sure there'll be a lot of listeners like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I really, this is new to me. I don't understand it in that way.
I just, everybody's wired differently.

Speaker 2 It's a form of parenting.

Speaker 1 You know, like when I, like, when I got this,

Speaker 1 you know, when I got this, and I was so

Speaker 1 listener, he's holding up

Speaker 2 sort of

Speaker 2 just plain white

Speaker 2 faceless body.

Speaker 1 And I thought, fucking, thank you to everybody.

Speaker 2 But I feel like the older I get, the closer I get to our favorite term, sexy indifference, or rather,

Speaker 2 better said, a healthy indifference, where you do care what people think, but you're not obsessed by it and you're not pulled by it.

Speaker 1 I will challenge you on that because we're doing it right now today.

Speaker 1 That is also put on. It's not real.
Because if you have to think about the sexy indifference, then it's not not organic. Right.

Speaker 2 No, no, I mean, I'm trying to get to that place of honest and healthy indifference where it's just right sized, you know, where you do care about people. You know, like you don't want to be rude.

Speaker 2 You want to be sensitive to people.

Speaker 1 You just don't want to see

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 The freedom is when you don't even have to recognize that you do have indifference, that you're just living. That's the freedom.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you're shackled by the idea of it. It still lives there as an idea.

Speaker 2 But it's also what we do for a living, right? It's part of our job to be aware of what people think and kind of manipulate that. And like, that's we're professional liars, you know?

Speaker 2 And so it's, it was a little bit of a head screw for me. It obviously still is when I was a kid.
When you're trying to figure out who you're, who you are and who you're becoming,

Speaker 2 you're training yourself how to fake to be somebody else. It was, it's kind of a little bit of a blender.

Speaker 1 Do you still think about that, Selena? Absolutely. I remember I was talking about, I was talking about this with someone, and there was a study that said

Speaker 1 the moment you get famous at a certain age you end up stuck in that area for a while because it stunts your yes because it stunts every you're you're dealing with things that no child should be dealing with and criticizing my body or something weird like it just it felt oh just it doesn't feel good you can't grow privately like like most people do you know yeah so i mean i don't regret my life, but there's a huge part of me that's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I wonder what that would have been like to just be me for a second.

Speaker 2 So, but this, I'm assuming that, you know, you've got millions, literally millions of people that

Speaker 2 admire you more than any of us could probably imagine

Speaker 2 because of how brave you are with how honest you are.

Speaker 2 And that is not going to go away. Thank God.
I mean,

Speaker 2 you're a role model whether you like it or not um until i run away from everything no no you're not gonna go wherever you go you're gonna be there no don't take away her out you until you run away if you want i run away

Speaker 1 but um but i now get i now get it though jay i want to say because you just mentioned that i want to say that i now get it when i sort of earlier flippantly when we were first started talking about how many millions of followers you have i now understand

Speaker 1 i get it now

Speaker 1 Your relationship with

Speaker 1 that number, with those numbers of people is tricky. Yeah.
And I sort of have a little bit more of an understanding. I really mean that.
Maybe I'm a slow learner, but no, no, it's it's intense.

Speaker 1 It's it's weird. It's such a bizarre thing.
And they give you way too much information.

Speaker 1 Like they'll, they'll tell you how many accounts you had reached, and they'll tell you the percentages of women versus male or

Speaker 1 botan binary, whatever it is. It's like, I don't need need this information.
I just want to post a photo and let it be for my fans and

Speaker 1 move on.

Speaker 2 And they are definitely attracted to all the things that are very special about you and not to take away from any of that, but I think it is also very indicative of how common it is for people around the world to be not perfect.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, and I think they really are

Speaker 2 comforted by how you are so honest about how not perfect you are. And I think that's just a real gift that you give to people and myself included.
I thank you for that.

Speaker 2 I cannot believe we're already past an hour.

Speaker 1 This is literally the fastest interview.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm stunned.

Speaker 1 I've got an hour right now, but it is pretty crazy. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 I feel like we're just going to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, guys, we've got lunch.

Speaker 2 I want to let you go, but I know we have probably a couple of more questions.

Speaker 1 Sean, go. Yes, no, I just want to know only murders.
I love the show. I love you in it.
I love Stephen Marty. Yes.

Speaker 1 How did it come about? What was it like when you started? Did you just love murderers? Was that how you got into it? Just

Speaker 1 to be honest, yes. And I like very dark documentaries sometimes.
So I tend to like lean into those. especially scary stuff like mentally.

Speaker 1 And John Hoffman is one of my very favorite. I love him.

Speaker 1 But no, it actually happened because, well, Steve's original idea was that it was going to be three men. And then John Hoffman suggested that

Speaker 1 they hired yes who created the show he he said I think it would be really cool if we added like a younger character maybe a female and Steve liked the idea and I guess this was really a gift because they

Speaker 1 had me in mind and I um I remember thinking I'm like okay well

Speaker 1 what does this mean and and then I had FaceTime with all of them with Steve Marty and John and the producers. And I was like, oh, I just have to do this because simply the people are amazing.

Speaker 1 And then the success of it after. That's a good hang.
Yeah. And then the success after was just such a

Speaker 1 surprise. And we just were happy to do it.
And only murders in the building. Never manslaughters.

Speaker 1 Never manslaughters. Never manslaughters.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
I'm fucking, I'm allowed to ask. Yes, you are.

Speaker 2 And that is in its fourth year or fifth year coming up on the show.

Speaker 1 We just got renewed for season four. Season season four.
And we may have to cut this, but John, I asked John, I was like, how many more seasons?

Speaker 1 And he goes, well, I asked Steve, and Steve said forever. I know he does.

Speaker 1 My favorite thing about Steve, and he knows that I've said this before, but my favorite thing is Steve will be like, I've got to get, I got to get home. I got to get home.
I got to go.

Speaker 1 I'm too old for this. And then I'll be like, then I'll be like, well, I go, Steve, like, how many seasons? He's like, oh, I don't want to stop.
We're going to keep going. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 he's just. You got to get home.
Exactly, but you need to be home. So

Speaker 1 sometimes I'll be like, I'll carry the load because

Speaker 2 it is the greatest trio, but as been said before, one of the oddest trios ever.

Speaker 1 And it's

Speaker 1 awesome by work. It's awesome.
It's infectious.

Speaker 1 Awesome. Yeah.
That's great. Thank you.
Well, Selena, this has been great. Thank you, honey.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to tell you, Jason, really quick. Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 1 I am going to send your wife, Amanda, and your girls some of my new collection from Rare Beauty and like a whole little box because I would love to see, you know, what they thought.

Speaker 2 They're enormous fans of yours, as is Amanda, my wife. Yay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I want to send you that because

Speaker 1 this is going to be one of the biggest collections that I've released. And I'm beyond stoked for it.
I know it's little things like that that make me happy because...

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's it's not a little thing it's really impressive what you've done with this it's it this company is potentially if it's not already bigger than anything you've done in music or in film or television

Speaker 1 or in social media i mean it's an enormous company and but i think we should be proud of that good products and we also just try not to be everything else, you know, like I'm not huge on promoting like crazy, you know, makeup.

Speaker 1 I love makeup, but I want my line to represent yourself and to have fun with it.

Speaker 2 And it seems very consistent with you and what you represent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, might I say your skin is flawless. Oh, my goodness.
Well, thank you. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 She takes off her glasses, she goes cross-eyed.

Speaker 1 She did a Richard Ehrlich.

Speaker 1 What did I say? It's where?

Speaker 2 Say, be a little bit confused.

Speaker 1 And then that get look at that beautiful.

Speaker 1 Let her say it's where. Say it.
Ready? And I swear?

Speaker 1 I swear.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That's good.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 You look just like Richard Ehrlich.

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 2 Selena, you're the greatest. Thank you so much for doing this.

Speaker 2 This was a big, big get for us.

Speaker 1 It's so awesome to find you.

Speaker 1 I am so happy, and hopefully, I'll get to meet you all in person. I'm sure I'll run into you, Jason.
And I'm just, I'm a big fan of all of you, and I've really been wanting to do this for a while.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you know, Jason. So

Speaker 1 this has been really great. Thank you.
Yeah, thank you for doing it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Have a great, great rest of the day. And thanks for talking with us.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Bye, guys.

Speaker 2 All right. Bye, Selena.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 You see, now, guys, there's a nice person.

Speaker 2 You guys have asked me multiple times.

Speaker 2 You say to me, you say, Jason, how do I get, how, how can I become nice? How can I become nicer? Yeah, you know, and be pleasant.

Speaker 1 Have success. Isn't that your theory? Have success.
Well, but then after that,

Speaker 2 try to be

Speaker 1 somebody is.

Speaker 2 She's kind and as gentle, as loving as you.

Speaker 1 What is that? Will's holding up a fake award.

Speaker 1 This is my dressing room. I don't know.
It's just something like, it looks like an award. Because it looks like an Oscar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's really terrible. Yeah, no, she's.

Speaker 2 What did you both, did you learn anything, you guys?

Speaker 1 I did. I feel like I'm lazy.
Yeah, I think you're. Well, A, lazy, because she's just so, it seems like everything she does, she's successful at.

Speaker 1 Even mental health. Right.
She's successful at that.

Speaker 2 She's not running from it. She's going right through it.

Speaker 1 It's pretty remarkable. And she's so, she's such a, talked about, we were talking, you know, authenticity was a central theme today's, and she's so authentic.
Yeah, she's like a superhero.

Speaker 1 She really doesn't, like she said, she doesn't, she just does what she loves to do. Everybody's welcome to come or don't come.

Speaker 1 And you know, it's funny, I was going to say she said that she didn't care, but it's almost like she, it's not that she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 It feels like she just, what she cares about is just being herself and being

Speaker 1 able to.

Speaker 2 She turned that care internal. She's taking care of number one,

Speaker 2 which for me always lets me be a better person to the people around me. Sometimes I over-index in the selfishness, but I'm trying to get the right balance.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
No. Okay.
Sorry. No.

Speaker 2 Still rolling. Let's get one more of those, Will.
A little more convincing.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 no, Jason.

Speaker 1 By the way, I held up on so many because it was such a,

Speaker 1 so many things I wanted to throw in, and I didn't because it was just out of respect.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you've got some unused jokes you'd like to work on real quick?

Speaker 1 I mean, no, no, no, no. There was one at the end, certainly, that I wanted to make.
Yeah. Listen, you said, don't worry, I'll carry the load, Steve.
And I was like, Sean, how many times? Okay. So

Speaker 1 do you want to know? It's Steve, right? It's Steve.

Speaker 1 Do you want to know, though? I, speaking about Archie, your son, you know, one time.

Speaker 1 No, no, this is outside.

Speaker 1 Once I had a wizard crawl at my pants.

Speaker 1 Did you really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Truly.

Speaker 1 Truly.

Speaker 2 And how high did it get up before it pulled a quick 180 and said, no, thank you.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's such a funny thing, wizard. You could use it for so many things.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what? Okay.

Speaker 1 So part of my part of my uh, what is it called? The gay tray that Jason calls it.

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