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Speaker 1 Hey listener, it's Stefan.

Speaker 1 I'm here a little early from an episode. I think we're probably waiting for Jason to clean his golf shoes and get his equipment going, which is very disrespectful for the golf community.

Speaker 1 But, you know, nevertheless, I'm here. This is Smartless.
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Speaker 3 Listener, we had a record earlier this morning.

Speaker 3 Went very well, very fun, nice.

Speaker 3 Today's a twofer, and we had a, what, a three-hour break, something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did you guys do? Will took a nap. Will, did you really? I did take a nap.
I did too. No, what? I took a little nap, not too long.
I watched, obviously, some

Speaker 3 soccer. You watched Arsenal get their first loss, huh?

Speaker 1 I did watch Arsenal get their first loss. So this is dating this podcast, but I did watch that match.
It was very controversial.

Speaker 3 Was it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a very controversial goal because they lost one nil and there was a controversial goal. People are really mad at the VAR, the video assistant referee.

Speaker 3 We don't need to put the audience into their own nap going over this.

Speaker 1 So, Sean, what'd you do?

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 1 I took a little nap. Did you have some lunch before you nap? I had a BLT.
You did? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a BLT with extra milk. Your food is always so special.

Speaker 3 Do you ever just have like normal shit?

Speaker 1 What's not normal about a BLT? you have to make the bacon and put it on the sonic no no no no he lives next to a sonic do you live next to a sonic

Speaker 1 he always he always has to live within four miles of a sonic

Speaker 3 hey can i can i guess uh what kind of bread it was on it was

Speaker 1 regular white bread country white will have you ever bought a loaf

Speaker 1 from the country that sounds better will have you ever bought a loaf of white bread sure really

Speaker 1 have you ever what is it bought a loaf loaf of white bread of course what are you talking about say i i don't know if i have yeah of course i have and uh i will say that the little kids the little kids they like

Speaker 1 white bread but not it you know they got a sort of uh i don't know it's children's food that's all sean eats i eat white bread and drink milk almost every day what did you guys have jason you and amanda went over for dinner the other night um what did we have

Speaker 3 beautiful lovely dinner beautiful roasted chicken and roasted vegetables and a salad.

Speaker 1 And then, I mean, we had to hear about it the whole time.

Speaker 3 Scott and Sean were fucking furious that that's what they had to eat because we were there.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 we knew you were coming over, so we made sure it was like, you know, Jason and Amanda food. And then for dessert,

Speaker 1 there was brownies. This is Jason and Amanda versus Sean and Scotty.
We had the brownies. They had chocolate covered dates.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 listen.

Speaker 1 True. That's true.

Speaker 3 Well, first of all, you supplied them thinking we would enjoy them.

Speaker 1 But you didn't touch the brownie.

Speaker 3 Oh, I sure did.

Speaker 2 Touched it big.

Speaker 3 You did? My mouth touched it.

Speaker 1 I've seen Jay, you know, sometimes like on a Sunday night, somebody will bring, usually you and Scotty, and somebody else will bring a dessert. And I've seen Jason over

Speaker 1 get over shared.

Speaker 3 I have addiction issues, you know.

Speaker 1 Eli was asking me today about dinner.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Anyway, I said, he asked me, Jason, what you, oh, we were were talking about Atlanta.

Speaker 1 And I was saying, he was like, well, what did he order in a lot when he was living up there in that building where we ended up? I said, no. No, I'm sleeping.

Speaker 1 Home by 7:30, he'll have a little salad and some crackers. Well, dinner, yeah.
True story. Really? It is crackers.

Speaker 3 Listen, the body is no fluke. This body right here, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 But last night at dinner, Jason, last night at dinner,

Speaker 1 we were at a restaurant. I'll have a McCarthy salad, no bacon,

Speaker 1 dressing on the side, dressing on the side, and then something else. No egg or something? Nope.

Speaker 3 No, just don't fucking mix it and give me

Speaker 1 which dressing did you ask for for that? I know the place.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just a balsamic vinaigrette thingy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, it's nice.
It's real nice.

Speaker 3 And you don't want a heavy pour on the salad, you know? It just ruins all the vegetables.

Speaker 1 I don't like a drinking salad dressing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think so. I doubt it.
All right. Let's, let's, let's, let's, now you want to talk about somebody who knows what to do with themselves when it comes to taking care of themselves.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 I got a guest for you. Hold on.
Let me pull up my notes here. There's that.
And here's this. Here we come.

Speaker 1 Ready?

Speaker 1 Quiet.

Speaker 3 Today we have someone who is equally successful in personal accomplishments as he is in teamwork.

Speaker 3 He is as rich as he is philanthropic. He is as famous as he is soft-spoken.

Speaker 3 This man was the first to have been voted MVP unanimously in NBA history. He has nine NBA All-Star selections.
He has four NBA championships.

Speaker 3 And he was the first player to hit 103-pointers in the NBA finals.

Speaker 3 He is widely regarded as the greatest shooter in NBA history. He's not a bad golfer either.
And he's our guest today saying hello to Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 Shut Steph.

Speaker 1 Hello, door. Okay.
All right, right. Shut the front door.
This is a book. Shut the side door.
Shut the back door. Shut it down.
I can't believe it. Yes.
And I married a Canadian. Did you hear it?

Speaker 1 And you shut up.

Speaker 1 And you married a Canadian, and you spent a lot of time in Toronto. Yes, I do.
Yes, I do. Markham, to be exact.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Steph, I'm very excited you're here today.

Speaker 1 Oh, me too. Thank you, fellas.
It's great, great to be here. It's great to meet you, man.
Yeah, really nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 Sean, you don't have to fake it. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'll introduce myself later to Sean.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about that. It goes deeper.
The resume.

Speaker 1 I of course know who you are. And I'm very impressed with you and your life.
Yeah. It's incredible.

Speaker 3 Now, are we recording this at three o'clock because you had to play golf this morning?

Speaker 1 I wish. So

Speaker 1 I had a really great golf season, I guess, in the summer. I think I saw you out there on the links passing by.
You're a neck of the woods.

Speaker 1 Come October when we start our season, the golf clubs develop some cobwebs pretty quick.

Speaker 3 You don't take them with you at all?

Speaker 1 I try to. I play maybe twice a month if I'm lucky, but we are in beautiful Cleveland, Ohio right now, in between three games and four nights.
So

Speaker 1 as a 35-year-old in my 15th year, most of the time is dedicated to

Speaker 1 staying as youthful as possible.

Speaker 3 Now, what's the big key on that for you?

Speaker 3 What do you try to avoid that gets you super duper tired?

Speaker 1 B-LT is a white bread. Seriously, when I was laughing when I was talking about Sean's lunch, I was like, I wish I could have had that.
That's right, Dave. Right, Steph? Yeah.
We know each other.

Speaker 3 Sean, show him your cookie pouch.

Speaker 1 This is what Steph's trying to avoid. This is the cookie pouch.
There it is.

Speaker 1 But you know what? I bet when you're 53, when you're 53, you might have one. I might have one.
Yeah, so watch that. Something to look forward to.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Did your dad ever get himself a cookie pouch after he stopped playing?

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 1 So he played 16 years in the nba he did he did he played uh

Speaker 1 he played got drafted in 86 by utah cleveland and he spent 10 years in charlotte which is where i grew up with my family and then he ended up his last three years in toronto which is i lived there for three years and i can't wait for my obvious question just dad did it does that mean you wanted to do it or was it forced upon you

Speaker 1 uh it was a little bit of both it's kind of forced upon you just by that's all you're in you're in a gym all the time you're following him and it's you develop a love for it.

Speaker 1 But I played other sports growing up, baseball, football, obviously golf too. So you loved it.
You loved sports. I loved it.
Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 1 And I got to see most of his career, which was cool because I was born

Speaker 1 his third year in the league. And so he retired when I was 12.
And sorry, when I was 13 when I was in Toronto. But when he retired, he definitely,

Speaker 1 working out was not a priority for a while.

Speaker 1 And then when I, he, he got, he got inspired when actually when I got married back in 2011 there that was the that was the emphasis for him to get back in shape.

Speaker 1 He didn't want to walk down the aisle with

Speaker 1 right where he wanted the photo to be out there. Exactly.
But you know what's you know what, Steph, let me ask you this. How long would a guy last in the NBA if all he ate was salad and nuts?

Speaker 1 You know what's favorite?

Speaker 1 I'd say that guy, I'm the smallest guy usually out there. I'd be able to back that guy down in the post if there was a salad and nut diet, I'd have a hard time finding him.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 The vegan lifestyle is taking over the league slowly, really? Surely, yeah.

Speaker 1 I honestly, I don't touch it. I don't know how they get their calories in.

Speaker 1 I know there's a science behind it, but one of my teammates, Chris Paul, now, who's been, I think, vegan for about four years. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm fascinated by what he brings on the plane or at mealtime, you know,

Speaker 1 how he gets his nourishment. I'm just amazed.
I just stare at him. I feel like I'm an awkward like, you know, sociopath.
I'm just staring at everything he eats, like asking questions, like, how?

Speaker 3 Now, you, you mentioned all those sports that you played growing up. Are there any sports that you're, that you're not great at?

Speaker 1 Like, just terrible at?

Speaker 1 I've picked up a lacrosse stick once and just have a low neck for figuring out how to do that. Anything really, soccer, I guess you could say I don't have...

Speaker 1 maybe a flashy going on, but I'm athletic, so I could get a, I could get by, I think. Yeah.
Right. You could fake it.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of similarities similarities to basketball and soccer with the movement and stuff. Yeah, like tennis.

Speaker 1 How's your tennis game? Tennis is solid. Pickleball even stronger.
Pickleball. See? Pickleball.
You know what?

Speaker 1 Actually, we just had, we had our buddy John McEnroe on the podcast not long ago, and we talked about the idea of kids when they're young.

Speaker 1 He was, he's such a big proponent of kids should not just play one sport. He's like, you should play multiple sports.
That's really important. And it sounds like you did that.

Speaker 1 I prescribe to that for sure. There's so many different, you know,

Speaker 1 crossover skill sets and

Speaker 1 personalities that you interact with, the demands on your body, your mind, especially for younger kids to kind of get exposed to be able to figure out like what comes naturally, what doesn't, and how can you kind of close that gap.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I didn't pick basketball until I was 13 as my only sport.

Speaker 1 And even then I would still play golf in the side and had some other curiosities, but that was when it became solely focused. Wow.
That's cool. I played basketball before high school in grade school.

Speaker 1 I need some footage. I need to see.

Speaker 1 I don't remember you talk about the different sport experiences. I need some

Speaker 1 footage. I remember the coach saying, Give it to Hayes

Speaker 1 because I never got the ball.

Speaker 1 And give it to Hayes. He was screaming, give it to Hayes.
And I would rock, I would run down, and all the teammates would separate. Just give me one shot, like every 10 games.
Bless him.

Speaker 1 You got a participation trophy for sure? Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 one of those videos you see where they do that, where they get like the towel kid and they bring him in and they let him.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 3 Hey, so Steph, were there any significant challenges right at the beginning to playing basketball?

Speaker 3 Probably not, right? I mean, you learned early,

Speaker 3 your shooting technique. I'm sure your dad like helped you.

Speaker 1 Was there there like your height you you weren't you weren't small you were kept getting bigger and what do you what did you top out at how tall are you I'm 6'3 right now but I was 5'7 and about 145 pounds my freshman year in high school wow

Speaker 1 it was a picture of me and my varsity team like sitting up front you know, cross-legged and you're just like, who?

Speaker 1 You could have, how we just described Sean playing basketball, you probably, if you didn't know who I was, you look at the picture, you're like, oh, that's that kid.

Speaker 3 So then was your dad starting to condition you for like, it's probably not going to happen for you. We'll see how tall you get, but if you don't get to X, start thinking about other things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was, I mean, to the other question about was it forced on me, that was, I'm so grateful for how they, my parents approached introducing me to the game because obviously you have a dad that played 16 years.

Speaker 1 There's kind of an understanding basketball is in his future, but the physicality, deficiencies I had early, and, you know, there was always just an encouragement to just work, figure it out, build confidence as you go without really thinking about what the results were.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, I knew what the NBA was. I knew what Division I basketball was.
I knew that that was a good way to try to get a scholarship to a good school. But

Speaker 1 everything that they taught me and the coaches that I had kept me really in the moment, which is something I try to teach kids now because there's such a pressure on,

Speaker 1 sports aside, it doesn't matter what you're talking about, there's such a pressure to

Speaker 1 fast forward the process and the journey of how you get there because you see the polished product

Speaker 1 forced on you every time you open up your phone. It's so me shooting

Speaker 1 threes in the finals and

Speaker 1 overcoming all the adversity that I had in my career. It's all just that snapshot.
But

Speaker 1 if you rewind the clock back and you talk to me when I was a sophomore in high school, the NBA was such a distant. you know, idea.

Speaker 1 I was just enjoying playing basketball and being in that environment.

Speaker 3 But, but was it, but was it really, I mean, considering, you know, your, your lineage, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, your father, like,

Speaker 3 I would imagine you had all the added pressure of if I am lucky enough to get in, am I going to be as good? And like, how did you deal with that? Because you, you over-indexed there.

Speaker 1 But not only that, Jason, think about this too.

Speaker 1 Like, did you have the thing where you had, you must have known you had good hand-to-eye coordination, you played golf, you played a lot of different sports, you knew that you were athletic.

Speaker 1 And so you, you must have had an inkling that, like, hey, if I can bring this stuff together, if I can land this plane, I'm going to do something outside of the pressure.

Speaker 3 But if you, but if you don't,

Speaker 3 there's that, that's going to be embarrassing for you, for them, for like, how did you deal with all that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a nice balance. And my parents,

Speaker 1 I guess, inherently, they both embodied it on the daily. My dad played 16 years.
My mom was

Speaker 1 a founder of a Montessori school that I went to in elementary elementary school. So it's kind of like a good balance of like priorities.

Speaker 1 So if I start talking about like, I missed my first middle school game

Speaker 1 because I didn't do the dishes as part of my chores. This is like a written.

Speaker 1 So like the strictness that came with, you know, the priorities, like obviously you had to make sure you had good grades, make sure that you took care of yourself in the classroom, took care of your family and things at home.

Speaker 1 And then sports was, was down the way.

Speaker 1 They didn't let us slide on any of that. So I think it gave us a perspective of, you know, sports is fun and this is something that is in our family.
It's in our blood.

Speaker 1 But there was always perspective. But to the point of, yeah, I knew I was talented and gifted in certain areas, but it didn't really match up to

Speaker 1 the feedback I was getting from, you know, coaches and recruiters, especially when I got to high school. Cause, you know, I grew up in Charlotte.
My dad played 10, 11 of his 16 years there.

Speaker 1 So Del Curry's son in Charlotte, like people know who you are. So there is that added pressure.
Anytime you step foot in the gym, they have an expectation of who you're supposed to be. But

Speaker 1 I didn't really have to, that wasn't the conversation at home. So I kind of could get away from it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 It was nice. It's a nice, healthy balance there.
Were you playing? Did you play at school?

Speaker 1 You obviously went to school in Toronto or in Marshall? Yeah, Queensway Christian College. It doesn't exist anymore, but it was in Etobicoke in Ontario.
Yeah. I know Etobicoke well.

Speaker 1 You know who's from Etobicoke? Is Shannon, Brendan Shannon, who's a friend of ours who runs the Toronto Maple. He's a good friend of the program, friend of mine.
I'm kind of a mentor to him.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's that's me.

Speaker 1 I just give him a lot of guidance. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He goes on and on about it.

Speaker 3 It's crazy. Now, Steph, what's your feeling on this?

Speaker 3 You know, I was at the Laker game the other night, and you know, they do a great job there for the crowd and everything with the music and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 But they'll be happy to hear that you approve.

Speaker 3 I realize, well, I'm saying something nice before I say something shitty.

Speaker 3 They got music going every single time the Lakers take the ball down the court. And I started thinking, well, I wonder if the Lakers are pissed off about this.
They're hearing this distracting.

Speaker 3 It's basically they're scoring this movie, you know, with music.

Speaker 3 That's a new thing, isn't it? Didn't it used to be kind of like quiet and then they play music if something good happens?

Speaker 1 Now they just hear each other.

Speaker 1 This is part of our experience. We hear it, but it doesn't really bother or affect us.
Kobe Bryant used to say,

Speaker 1 I guess there was a conversation he had where he talked about him working out in the summer. He used to have it dead silent because that's what he wanted to impart on like the home crowd.

Speaker 1 That was like the feeling he wanted, I wanted dead silence in here, so I'm going to work out that way.

Speaker 1 I'm not that maniacal in terms of like your process, but when you're out there in the court, you hear

Speaker 1 the music, the atmosphere, you hear the fans chanting at you and all that type of stuff. The funny part is I've been a part of one unique game in New York, Madison Square Garden.
I think it was 2017.

Speaker 1 They tried like the old school method where there was just, there was no PA announcer. There was no in-arena

Speaker 1 music at all. No atmosphere.
It was just the crowd noise. It was like taking it back to the 1940s, 50s, whatever.
Yeah. It was the worst experience of ever.
Oh, really?

Speaker 1 Like, you just hear the shoes squeaking.

Speaker 1 You can't really feel momentum. People clearing their voices and dropping cups and stuff.
They abandoned it at halftime. They said, oh, this is not working.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to the terror call at halftime.

Speaker 4 Everybody was complaining.

Speaker 3 So, Steph, you know how in golf there's like, there's a thing called swing thoughts, right? We have like this one thing you think about and it gets your whole swing all in a groove, right?

Speaker 3 Like just like tuck the right elbow in or, you know, right finger on the shape, whatever the hell it is. Do you have a swing thought that has consistently worked for you in shooting the basketball?

Speaker 3 Like, do you think back of the rim or front of the rim or bottom of the net net that puts it in a certain arc that you can count on that has worked for you over the years?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the biggest,

Speaker 1 it's a thought and a feeling all at the same time.

Speaker 1 But if, if I'm in balance and that can mean a lot of different things, I can be moving, you know, right, left, forward, backward, one foot, right, two feet, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 But there's a feeling of balance that, you know, no matter how many times I've been in the gym shooting any type of shot or envision,

Speaker 1 you know, a game kind of unfolding with your mental process and all that. Like I can feel when I'm in balance.
And when I'm in balance, I feel like I'm never going to miss. And so

Speaker 1 you don't think too hard about it. No, you try to keep it really simple.
Muscle memory and mechanics take over. But all I'm thinking about right before I shoot is, can I get into proper balance?

Speaker 1 And then from there.

Speaker 3 It is something I noticed so clearly about you. It's such a unique quality of yours that

Speaker 3 you always seem to be so at ease and

Speaker 3 graceful and calm with everything that you do.

Speaker 3 Yes, you're explosive and you're fast when you need to, but for the most part, what I sort of take away is that there's just a calmness and an ease to everything that you do that

Speaker 3 I bet every player wish they had.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll add to that.

Speaker 1 I've had the same thing because sometimes

Speaker 1 watching you in so many different situations. And obviously you're a competitor and you see guys get, some guys get really heated, whatever.
You stay very calm. You seem very

Speaker 1 present in the moment. Is that something that you work on? Oh, for sure.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 What if he was like, what's the question?

Speaker 1 Coming in.

Speaker 1 That's where the joy comes from. So you're like, there's a calmness to it, but

Speaker 1 I'm a little kid out there on the court, even 15 years. And

Speaker 1 if I ever lose that, then I know it'll be time to quit. Cause

Speaker 1 that presence and the mindfulness of what's happening right now, and literally, I get lost in the game. So

Speaker 1 the work or the business of basketball creeps in from time to time because there's so much that goes on in terms of putting the team together and the ups and downs of an 82-game schedule or the pressures of performing every single night.

Speaker 1 But honestly, when I step foot on the floor, it's just pure joy. And that's where I live.
Wow.

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Speaker 1 my two my two questions that i have to ask is one at a time please i was no i was waiting for the two the two parter because i know i know how this goes it goes oh yeah worst.

Speaker 1 Because I got to get them in. I got to get these in.
Worst fight you've ever had on the court and worst injury. Oh.

Speaker 1 Great question. Worst.

Speaker 3 Has anyone ever gotten a beat down from you?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I've gotten a beat down. It was in,

Speaker 1 I think it's on YouTube still. It was in Indiana in 2013.

Speaker 1 Roy Hibbert, David West. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my teammate at the time, David Lee, Roy Hibbert and David Lee kind of squared up underneath the basket. And it was like big man on big man crime.
Guards and little guys stay out the way.

Speaker 1 Like that's kind of a known thing in the league when the big guys are going at it. Like there's everything else around doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 My dumbass wanted to get in there and protect my teammate. So they square up, they chest bump.
And I run up behind Roy Hibbert. He's seven foot, probably 290, 280 pounds.

Speaker 1 And I try to grab him from the back and like pull him off my teammate. And when I tell you, it was like

Speaker 1 swatting the fly off. He literally just took his left hand and just, and I went, it was literally under the basket.
I flew all the way to the corner, like

Speaker 1 feet off,

Speaker 1 slid across the court. So now I'm embarrassed.
So now I have to like get up and act like I'm coming back for more.

Speaker 1 And that's when David West, who's like the big punisher or the enforcer on the court, he like kind of chest, you know, stiff arms me and puts me in my place and like just holds me one hand.

Speaker 1 And there's all this commotion. And later the story is, I would have gone for it.
He just held me back.

Speaker 1 I was going to go for it.

Speaker 1 By the way, Roy Hibbert, nice guy. Very nice.
Great guy.

Speaker 1 Got a mean left swathe.

Speaker 1 He's got a left SWAT, he calls it. He's got a mean left SWAT.
I never knew how strong Will was until we were doing our, and I had no idea. He's taking my shirt off, dude.
No, but really,

Speaker 1 it's so, he's so unassuming. I tried to push him with all of my body weight, and I couldn't push him an inch.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's annoying. Anyway.

Speaker 1 I will ask you this.

Speaker 1 Do you apply that same kind of approach?

Speaker 1 And you talk about the balance and being present when you do other sports, like when you play golf, or do you have, because some people, and I'm not going to name names, some people, when they stand over the ball, they stand there like a psycho.

Speaker 1 And they might be up to 30 seconds like a freaking psycho. Like you think this guy,

Speaker 1 I'm glad he's here over the ball because otherwise he's going to be out. You know, 19 people.

Speaker 3 This list is much shorter now.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 I heard you're working on it, right? this is the process. He is working on his process.
You've heard about the process. Yeah, I've heard about the process.

Speaker 1 So would you, would you say, but do you, do you do that or do you just, you like, just swing athletically and just do it? The athletic tendencies take over. I am as maniacal about the game of golf

Speaker 1 as Jason is, just in terms of like, I know there's always something to work on or get better. And

Speaker 1 I'm creative in that mindset where, you know, every little detail kind of matters. And I have to really try to turn all those thoughts off because they will get the best of you.

Speaker 1 Especially I've been playing, I mean, selfishly been playing the best golf of my life. And so it's like, how good can I really get? Dude, this summer, you were on fire.
You're a scratch, aren't you?

Speaker 1 I got to the other side of that. I'm like a plus two right now, which is

Speaker 1 how old are you? You're 35.

Speaker 2 35.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you have 15 years before the champions tour if you want it. If you want it.
So 15 more years of training,

Speaker 3 you could be unstoppable on the champions tour if you want to do that at 50 right you can make the decision that is that is a goal for sure i i know there's uh

Speaker 1 in the golf world there's a lot of you know there are celebrity and pro-am stuff and so you can scratch the competitive itch here and there uh especially when i get the nine months of my basketball season back when it's all said and done um but uh yeah champions tour i mean i'm sick like basketball could be on i i might have that on my phone but on tv it's golf channel it's You and me both.

Speaker 1 It's just a problem.

Speaker 3 My wife thinks I'm such an idiot.

Speaker 1 Well, you know,

Speaker 1 the other night. Shout out to apologies.
Jason was over, and I showed him my golf channel, which was this old house on PBS. I still watch this old house.
Do you know, you know that show? I do not.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like a, it's like from the 1970s. It's still on.
And they, they do, they build homes. They build houses.

Speaker 1 It's really, you know who likes it? People who are in comas. They play it just to have, so that they know that there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Or people that just can't they can't roll a tv into a room if somebody's in a coma and they can't find the remote control those are the folks that love yeah if their remote is broken they're

Speaker 1 they're strapped to a chair and it's stuck on pvs it's the best show of this old house i sent jason a video this morning uh jason's game has gotten so good and mine is i don't i haven't been playing as much but but i'm not a plus game's you're not a plus but your game's good I sent him this video today of this dude who played 18 holes with a five iron this morning.

Speaker 3 And all he wanted to do was break 80. And And he shot, what did he shoot, 76?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he shot 78. Yeah.
What? With a five iron. Yeah, he plays on the DP tour, a European guy.
He did. That tells you how good those guys are.

Speaker 1 He's hit two greenside bunker shots. Flop shots.
With a five iron.

Speaker 2 He was a five iron, dude.

Speaker 1 It was

Speaker 1 crazy. We'll send it to you.

Speaker 3 Talk to me about you and Clay Thompson, the Splash Brothers. How did you develop

Speaker 3 the chemistry with him? Is that, you know, when anyone's ever asked me about chemistry with an actor or something like that,

Speaker 3 I always always say, well, it's not something you work. It's just that person's just nice.
It's just, it's easy.

Speaker 3 If someone's not a prick, you can get along with them and you have chemistry immediately.

Speaker 3 Is that as simple as it is with you and Clay?

Speaker 1 Transferable to this to our relationship for sure. Like we've been together on the court now for 12 years.

Speaker 1 And then you add Draymond Green to that

Speaker 1 for 11. So it's insane to think

Speaker 1 that two

Speaker 1 guys who've had who had dads that played in the NBA as well. That's what I was going to say.
And like you said, have a good perspective about what we worked for to get here and

Speaker 1 approach life very similarly with appreciation and gratitude that we kind of hit it off on the jump. And I don't know, like when you get into

Speaker 1 these type of friendships and from your standpoint with your

Speaker 1 people in the same profession,

Speaker 1 comics, whatever, actors that you kind of sharpen each other's skill sets just by being around each other. And that's how we've been

Speaker 1 this entire time. It's not something that we actually like really talk about.
It's like,

Speaker 1 we don't come in and sit down at dinner.

Speaker 1 What percentage are you trying to shoot this year?

Speaker 1 Is your elbow at 90 degrees?

Speaker 1 But it's more just that when you're in that environment, our work ethics are pretty.

Speaker 1 you know, top-notch in terms of, you know, being out, able to try to figure out how to get better every single year. And that iron sharpens iron is real.

Speaker 1 And there's such a respect level for the way that he approaches basketball and life. And that's why we're still doing it.

Speaker 3 And I'll bet the two of you with that kind of harmony and kindness and quiet leadership and all that stuff, it's infectious in the team, correct?

Speaker 3 Like you guys, I'll bet, have created a culture over there that it should be no surprise that you guys have won that extra 10 to 15 games each year, whatever it takes, to get to a place where you're in the finals.

Speaker 3 And once you're in the finals, like that kind of harmony in a team environment really yields the extra thing that you need to be excellent as opposed to great.

Speaker 1 Yes? No, for sure. The culture part of

Speaker 1 a lot of different ways to lead, right? There's a lot of different ways. You can be the loud one that needs to say something about everything.
You can be the lead by example type.

Speaker 1 You can be the ones that show up when the lights are brightest and galvanize that confidence within the team.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 following kind of Steve Kerr, our coach,

Speaker 1 and the legendary coaches that he played for, Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, played alongside Mike Kerr.

Speaker 3 Kerr has been famously a really, really nice guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he's just a great manager of people, like an impersonable guy.

Speaker 1 He seems to have a very sort of similar disposition, obviously very different personality, but different disposition to Greg Popovich, both of whom I don't know at all.

Speaker 1 But it just seems like they have a very similar kind of vibe.

Speaker 1 Is that right? They're straight shooters. They have a great sense of humor.
Yeah. They have

Speaker 1 a perspective that, you know, our problems in the NBA, they're real. Like, we're trying to win at the highest level.
There's pressure.

Speaker 1 There's, you know, this is a multi-billion dollar industry that is

Speaker 1 set up to test you in all different ways. And if you want to win at the highest level, it's going to demand a lot from you.

Speaker 1 But, you know, he has a great way of kind of explaining like, we're blessed, man. We get to play basketball for a living.
And he reminds us of that every single day when we come in.

Speaker 1 And that kind of just levels the playing field you just level of trust within each other and and he does the best job of

Speaker 1 when you come into a team kind of element i don't care if it's sports it's whatever facet of life like everybody has a specific role to play and he makes sure that that's clear but it doesn't diminish your value to the success of the group and i think he has a great way of managing that process of you know from day one to the end that's cool making guys believe in that and to you know that's why we we've been uh able to sustain this level of of success for as long as

Speaker 1 what do you guys do season to season? I've often wondered, like you come in, you guys, you win a few championships, and so you're the best. You guys are the best.
You've got an unbelievable team.

Speaker 1 You got great chemistry. What does a guy like Steve Kerr say when you come into camp, whatever that is, August, September, to get ready for the new season?

Speaker 1 Do guys like him go, okay, well, we won last year. This year, our approach is going to be, because obviously the goal, like if he sat down and goes, we want to win a championship.
Like, yeah, no

Speaker 1 that's everybody wants to win the championship does he do they set different goals they go this is this is what we're going to do this year our approach is going to be different like yeah there's a the way i talk about what's happening right now like we've won four championships uh since 2015 we've been in six finals so we've lost two of them uh we lost in the second round last year to to the lakers uh on a down year for us which is that's how the high standard we've set yeah came into this year and to your point like obviously everybody knows if we don't win a championship, then it's a failed season for us because of the standard.

Speaker 1 Cool. You can't just come in and say that.
Like there has to be

Speaker 1 a level of detail of how you approach the year. For us, it's we have to win the week.
That's what we call it.

Speaker 1 So however many games there are that week, it gives you a singular focus on what do you need to do to win the week. We need to have a winning record every week.
And

Speaker 1 that's how you get the like little bite-size,

Speaker 1 you know, motivation for a nine-month journey that there are so many emotional roller coaster rides throughout the year. And

Speaker 1 I think everybody, you want those little bit of celebratory moments, right? Whether

Speaker 1 you know you're going to hit some down, some tough parts of the season, some tough stretches, but you go two and one in a three-game week, and everybody's like, yeah, we did that.

Speaker 1 Like for a team that's won four championships, that...

Speaker 1 might sound weird, but it's it's real because it keeps you in the fight. And

Speaker 1 that was the way he came in for this year.

Speaker 3 For somebody who doesn't

Speaker 3 watch sports, basketball, nothing, but

Speaker 3 they're constantly striving to be the best that they can be and be excellent as much as they can. And they might struggle sometimes with the moment when it's time to go, to

Speaker 3 hit the shot, land the plane.

Speaker 3 What would you tell, without getting too woo-woo, but is there something that you can

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 3 say to the listener for them to maybe focus on that might get them centered and focused so that they've got their best chance at being the best part of themselves like do you do you focus on anything that's kind of evergreen don't fuck up

Speaker 1 i think that one is always good it's a great bumper silver

Speaker 1 yeah i mean we need to write we need to write that nike was going to do that one originally

Speaker 1 before you just do it they'd mistake it it was going to be don't fuck up

Speaker 1 It's interesting because I guess, like you said, I don't want to sound too cliche with it, but it's literally like confidence is built off your preparation. And that's first and foremost.

Speaker 1 And if you can't look yourself in the mirror and say, you did everything that you knew and within your control to put yourself in a position to be prepared for whatever that moment is.

Speaker 1 then you're already in you know you're already behind the eight ball. But then at that point, for me, the biggest hurdle that I had to overcome was like the legit fear of failure.
It was legit like

Speaker 1 sometimes wanting to hide from, you know, the backlash or the criticism or the

Speaker 1 negative energy that you'll get if you don't accomplish whatever you set it out to do. And once you go through that and put yourself out there, you realize it's not all that bad because

Speaker 1 that's kind of what life is about, right?

Speaker 1 I'm going to do woo-woo for just one second because to that point, I always say the greatest safety net in anybody's life is the fact that you're loved, right?

Speaker 1 So, if you know you are loved and you feel you are loved by your husband, your wife, your kids, your family, your friends, your teachers, your whoever, your coach, you are loved.

Speaker 1 So, if you are loved, you can fail a million times and still have that love to fall back on.

Speaker 1 They'll always be there to catch you. Well, that's the challenge, too, then.
Probably, yeah. Make sure you have that software.

Speaker 1 All the orphans just got their feelings hurt. There you go.

Speaker 1 Fucking dick.

Speaker 1 You never think about the orphans.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 1 You fucking fish.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 1 exclusionary motherfucker. That's still elite.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I think focusing on all jokes aside,

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 1 I have, and I can say what we, especially in the profession that we're in, Jason started younger, and so, but he also knows what it's like. I mean,

Speaker 1 I failed so much that I can't, all I did was fail for years. I didn't make listener.

Speaker 3 We're all nodding. We're all nodding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. We all are nodding because it's true.
And I continue to do it. And I failed from the time I moved to New York.
I was 20. I didn't make it.
I was so broke. And I just didn't.

Speaker 1 And I failed all the freaking time. And then there's that turning point.
I was talking to my buddy Eli about it. That turning point where,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever, it's just plays. You start to get better at it, you start to get better at it, you start to get better.

Speaker 1 And then you also, I think you develop a, I don't know, it's like an armor, like your skin gets thicker and you start just going like, you don't think about the failures.

Speaker 1 For me, my own thing is like, I got to think about the stuff that's working, you know, because we, I think as humans, we just naturally, we can, we can have 95% of our life is working great and some 5% shit is bothering us.

Speaker 1 And we will think about that 5%.

Speaker 1 And that's

Speaker 1 craziness, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah yeah and so i had to do i had to do so much sort of spiritual calisthenics to get to the place where i'm like just think about what's working and focus on that and and i think that i got better at it but fuck it took a lot of feelings to get there and that comparison is the thief of joy thing especially for us when you're looking around and you see people who are on different on different timelines within their journey right like you're you're who knows what they've been through what they've exposed that has positioned them to that that place or um you know when you have those blinders on so the

Speaker 1 whatever like the journey it like the things that you learn through that failure obviously we all know are key as long as you can uh make them useful and make them resources for the next step and and not deter you from whatever you're putting your you're setting out to do but that journey when you look back and to your point i love that the 95 to 5 percent thing is is a real real uh i'm putting that in perspective of everything that I've gone through because

Speaker 1 it's the shared goals that you have with those people around you, orphans aside,

Speaker 1 that are like extremely the most, I guess, the most memorable parts of life. I'm not walking in looking at trophies like my rings.

Speaker 1 It's nice to have them. Don't get me wrong.
I'm nice to pull them out, but it's...

Speaker 1 Those represent, you know, the nine-month journey I was talking about with what coach said, like, how many weeks did we win that year?

Speaker 1 And just the little bite-sized things that make a difference in terms of your happiness and your peace of mind and the joy that you bring to it. So, for us, like that's a big part of

Speaker 1 dumbing down the pressure that you're in on a daily basis. And Sean touched on it, the love from family.

Speaker 1 And you've been, you know, it's hard to miss if anybody's followed you through your career, how present your family is.

Speaker 1 Your parents,

Speaker 1 your kid, your wife, whatever. They're always, they seem to be omnipresent.
That seems to be be obviously a key to success.

Speaker 1 And how awesome is it that you can share this with your parents, obviously, seemingly a lot. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 And even your family structures and things change and you start to, even as an adult, we get real deep with it. But like my parents got divorced a couple of years ago.
And it's like

Speaker 1 the way that. Life kind of forces you to rethink and reimagine all your relationships and the growth that happens through that.

Speaker 1 It's a real, it's a real blessing through some tragedy and through some trauma, right? And

Speaker 1 even when you're in those moments, you kind of don't see it.

Speaker 1 But I think the maturity that comes through all those experiences that you go through is the appreciation of who's pouring into your life on a daily basis, who's

Speaker 1 giving you a sense of confidence in who you are as a person and the value that you bring.

Speaker 1 And the more that you can put yourselves in those environments, and my family has been a huge support and stars all across the board in that respect.

Speaker 1 I'm now in the charge of passing it on to my fam and my kids, and

Speaker 1 that's the beauty of

Speaker 1 life right there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, it sounds like, you know, no pain, no gain. You know, this is a phrase that I just thought up the other day that I've chosen quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm going to write that down.

Speaker 1 Write that down, John. I want to know the injury thing.
Your worst injury.

Speaker 1 No pain, no gain.

Speaker 1 I've had

Speaker 1 what, four surgeries in my MBA career.

Speaker 1 No way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had two early in my career. I had two ankle reconstructions

Speaker 1 that were

Speaker 1 pretty nasty.

Speaker 1 And then I,

Speaker 1 was this four years ago, I broke my hand. A big seven-footer decided he wanted to take a charge while I was in the air instead of meeting me at the rim and trying to block.
block a shot.

Speaker 1 And I fell over top of him and he landed back on my hand. So I have two beautiful scars on my left hand that I

Speaker 1 broke a hand, had a carpal tunnel syndrome relief surgery on it.

Speaker 1 And the feeling just came back from texting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Sean got carpal tunnel doing a musical.

Speaker 1 We're in the same boat. We're in the same boat.
Same.

Speaker 1 Add it to the resume. 82 games a year? 300 shows.
Do your fans know that all the things that you go through to put yourself in a position?

Speaker 1 He did, by the way, he did. Every night he had to ice before and after because he had to play and do eight shows a week.
It was pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 I was like, piano injuries.

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Speaker 3 Steph, can you speak a little bit to

Speaker 3 the extent the league allows you to criticize this

Speaker 3 in-season tournament. Do you have any

Speaker 3 comments?

Speaker 1 So this is not because I get paid by the NBA. I absolutely love it.

Speaker 3 I'm hearing it's almost unanimous that you guys are all digging this. I'm still

Speaker 3 brand new.

Speaker 3 It's like soccer.

Speaker 1 They do it in soccer. I love it.

Speaker 1 We're playing the same. That's the biggest thing.
The difference, obviously, we're playing the same teams. It's all 30 of us just mixed up in different groups than we normally are in our divisions.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what they did with the entertainment value and like we played last night first. Explain it to Sean.
Explain it to me. Okay, so Sean, there's 30 teams in the NBA.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're all already separated into six divisions, five teams in each division. Yeah, sure.
So that's been the way it's been for 30 years now.

Speaker 1 What they did this year was they took each, there were the 30 teams and put you in six different groups within the Western Conference, there's three groups, and the Eastern Conference, there's three groups.

Speaker 1 And they designated

Speaker 1 four regular season games within those groups. So we play these teams anyway, but they designated these specific groups to say, all right, this counts towards the end-season tournament grouping.

Speaker 1 And so we played Oklahoma City last night, and we won. So we're 1-0 in our group.
We'll play Oklahoma City again, but that game won't be designated as the in-season tournament game.

Speaker 1 So they're still playing the regular season. And the game they played last night against Oklahoma, that still counts in the whole regular season.

Speaker 1 it still counts to the standings and counts but it also counts towards this in-season oh that's crazy is it a way for them to sort of like keep the middle of the season exciting for the viewers yeah it's a it's it's for the viewers um and it just brings a fresh energy to our first you know 20 games up basically up until christmas when it's how does the tournament work in vegas for the people so that's where it builds up too so after you play those four games in your group the best team or the team with the best record in each group which would be six teams uh And then there's two wildcard spots, one for the West, one for the East, with the next best record or all the tiebreakers they have.

Speaker 1 So you have eight teams that come out of the pool play. And then you'll play a bracket.
So it's three games. And if you make it to the Final Four, then we go to Vegas and they play two games there.

Speaker 1 Do those games count for the regular season as well? So

Speaker 1 the Final Four game does. The championship game is essentially the 83rd game of the season.
So that doesn't count towards the regular season.

Speaker 1 But if you play in that game and you win, the NBA,

Speaker 1 like the financial incentive is $500,000 for each player.

Speaker 1 Wow. And for the championship.
So you have to have a degree in math as well.

Speaker 1 Math and travel planning, coordinated logistics. That's unbelievable.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 When's the end of that tournament?

Speaker 1 The end season tournament? The first week of December is the

Speaker 1 championship week of

Speaker 1 the end-season tournament. So they'll have the semifinals, sorry, the quarterfinals,

Speaker 1 uh semifinals and the uh championship game i think it's like december 9th don't quote me on that but it's the first week of december and so basically they have the the cool part is they they redesign courts for this oh yeah so if you're if you were just happening to be scrolling tv it's like uh sean you know you used to watch the old boise state football games

Speaker 1 with the field with that blue field sure the blue field um

Speaker 1 they did that with ours so they they kind of you know circused out the courts to make it it look and feel way different. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was the Bucs Knicks last night? Was that in-season? Oh, okay. Every game that was on.
So I think it's every Tuesday and Friday are the in-season tournament games. So yeah, you'll see that.

Speaker 1 You'll know. You'll be like, what the hell is going on on the court right here? So it'll stop you.
Okay, no, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 I like to go into live basketball games. I think it's fun.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, we got the quote.
Hey, Company.

Speaker 1 So would we,

Speaker 3 listener, you can reach Sean at 310.

Speaker 1 That's a bumper sticker. If you have an extra ticket, are you looking for a single or a Scott you want to go to?

Speaker 1 Would you like a box? What do you like? What kind of fan experience do you want, Sean? Hey,

Speaker 1 let me ask you,

Speaker 1 I need to know this because I've often wondered this. Some of the guys who you've known and played with over the years, a lot of them, are extremely tall.

Speaker 1 And we're talking guys who are, and so they go through life

Speaker 1 as these incredible, they're not just sort of 6'4, 6'5. They're like 6'9, 6'10, 7 feet.

Speaker 1 I imagine, do they have to just live like freaks? I mean, do they have to have longer beds? What do they do with their cars? What do they, with their clothes, with their houses?

Speaker 1 Do they have to have special?

Speaker 1 I've always wondered that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's

Speaker 1 a process. Like our road hotels, a lot of them complain about the feet hanging over the end.
There's nothing you can really do about that. I know they probably can't just go to

Speaker 1 standard malls and go shop off the racks. They got to have all the special tailoring and stuff.
And it seems like a headache of just having to go an extra step or two for stuff like that.

Speaker 1 They're not eligible to drive certain cars, especially if they're in the market.

Speaker 1 Show high luxury type stuff where they actually got to think about legroom and all that.

Speaker 1 Minivans, that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Straight up.

Speaker 1 And you see, like, Shaq is the one who's had all his cars like custom made for him where they like put the seat. Oh, really? I know Shaq a little bit over the years.
He's such an awesome dude.

Speaker 1 He's a hilarious dude. And one time I was with my kids, I was in Los Angeles, and this dude pulls up in this

Speaker 1 black car. And the passenger rolls down in the window and goes, Somebody wants to say hello.
And I was like, Oh, okay. And I looked in, and I had to keep looking back through the window.

Speaker 1 And Shaq had moved. His seat was obviously custom, like he was in the back seat, basically.

Speaker 1 You've seen like when he had a, I think he did it. What's up, big man? He did a Cribs video where they went to his his bedroom.

Speaker 1 He had like this, I think it was a Corvette, if I'm not mistaken, but it was like a, not a Cali King. It's probably like double the size of that.
And

Speaker 1 he takes it to the extreme, but I know all these guys have to really kind of take into consideration.

Speaker 3 Speaking of tall players, we've got a brand new one this year, this rookie Phenom, Victor Wembanyama. Have you played with him yet?

Speaker 1 Played a preseason game against him. He's 7'4, and he...
plays like me. Yeah, right.
He shoots. He moves.

Speaker 1 I mean, how do you know? First of all, let's not say plays like you yet. Let's give him a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 Jeff's got a pretty good J on him.

Speaker 1 He is, but I mean, I'm talking about consistency over time

Speaker 1 is the marker.

Speaker 1 I do like these dribbling drills where you use two basketballs, and it's usually like a guard thing.

Speaker 1 We have the skill set and the handout coordination.

Speaker 1 There's a video of him. You can look it up.
Victor Wimbayamba, two-ball dribbling. When I saw it, it's just so smooth and fluid.
It's like, what am I actually looking at right now?

Speaker 3 Kevin Durant would be the closest comparison yeah as far as agility and size and and and and and shooting and yeah yeah but then you see a side-by-side picture of what 7-4 versus 6'10 6'11 looks like and you're like no that's this different ball um are they playing him i've only seen one game i think do they play him at center or do they play him at forward Because his size, I mean, he's so skinny.

Speaker 3 Like, wouldn't he get beat up as a center? Like,

Speaker 1 would you play him at forward?

Speaker 1 Greg Pav,

Speaker 1 I'm not going to step in on

Speaker 1 his expertise, but I would say

Speaker 1 he's a matchup problem no matter who, what position you play him at. But they also put some beef around him and play him like at the two, three,

Speaker 1 the extended guard in small forward position just to make it even more difficult to figure them out. So I saw him playing.
But he can go wherever he wants.

Speaker 1 I saw him play against Durant the other night while I watched the highlights, and it was again sick just watching all the different shots that he hit, all the different things, the block shots, the moves that he had.

Speaker 1 I was like, it was, yeah, it's like you're like, what, like you said, what am I watching? I've never seen anything like that before.

Speaker 1 I like the Kevin Durant reference because he's the most pure scorer at that height where he can literally do everything with the ball, but this guy's different.

Speaker 3 Are there any other players in the league right now that strike you as

Speaker 3 kind of unique right now? Are you sensing any sort of new styles of playing

Speaker 3 that are coming into the league at all that are exciting to you?

Speaker 1 The interesting thing is

Speaker 1 they always said I ruined the game. And

Speaker 1 by that, obviously just everybody wants to shoot threes and see how far deep they can shoot.

Speaker 3 I mean, you routinely put it in. I mean, Sean, this guy shoots from, there's a three-point line, which they give you an extra point because beyond this line, you know, it's too far away.

Speaker 3 So that's why they give you an extra point.

Speaker 1 He shoots from the four-point line. I'm telling you, I'm playing.
Sean, they play in an arena. They play in an arena.

Speaker 3 Sean, it's a ball going poop.

Speaker 1 Where?

Speaker 1 Where?

Speaker 1 Instead of outside, is it near my house? There's organs playing at most arenas, too. Yeah, and tank tops.
They're all playing in tanks.

Speaker 1 Organs.

Speaker 1 One day you look up there. I'm just like up there playing.
Sean, if you end up as an arena organism.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, end up?

Speaker 1 Wait, I want to know something. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 But before, is there a style of play that you see coming into the league at all?

Speaker 1 It's just like positionless basketball where everybody can do everything. And it's kind of cool because

Speaker 1 that's the influence of

Speaker 1 them seeing my style and the Warrior style

Speaker 1 over the course of the last decade where you have guys who were, I get into the locker room now and I have a locker mate who sits to the right of me,

Speaker 1 Brandon Pajemski, who's

Speaker 1 just turned 21 or is about to turn 21. And so he was in

Speaker 1 when we won our first championship in 2015, he was in the sixth grade. Oh boy.
And so you kind of see the influence of our, he's watching this and now, okay, I'm going to work on this.

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to add that to my game now. And so you just see that infused into the entire league where there's just so many guys that are pretty versatile to do

Speaker 1 pretty much everything. And you asked the question about what position did Victor Wimbayama play? Everybody plays every position now.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of cool to kind of see the mixing and matching and the rotations there because

Speaker 1 there's no stiffs that just are out there just to set screens and do nothing else.

Speaker 1 You got to be pretty skilled at everything. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sean, ask him what his pregame rituals are.

Speaker 1 Well, I want to know that. I actually do want to know that.
And his favorite city to play in. And I do want to know that.

Speaker 3 Sean specials.

Speaker 1 And then I also want to know a deeper question, which is with all of your success and how phenomenal you are and the talent that you have been given. And you're very young still.
You're 35, you said?

Speaker 1 You're so young, you could probably do this for many, many more years. But do you ever think about when you're by yourself and think about, gosh, with all of my injuries and all this stuff, like

Speaker 1 I want to set a clock myself before my body tells me the clock, like before it's, I want to think about this on my terms. Like, do I have five years left? Do I have 12 years left?

Speaker 1 Like, what is the span of somebody like you in the field that you're in?

Speaker 3 And you can hear that Invisalign, right, Steph?

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 can you really hear it can you really hear it bless his heart he's trying so hard making use of the time i think uh that's a great question then because i've started to think about that obviously a little bit more as of late because you know there's less years in front of you than there were or behind you um

Speaker 1 and going out on your own terms is is kind of the the goal um

Speaker 1 for us

Speaker 1 My prime is, I don't know how long I can extend it because I really feel like I'm playing the best basketball of my life now at 35 when you mix in the

Speaker 1 experience and reps and wisdom and the know-how, even balancing on-court, off-court stuff.

Speaker 1 But then to your question, I know I'm not going to do it forever. So I talked to Tom Brady about it, name drop, and I feel like

Speaker 1 he was just saying you can think about that and you can prepare for what the downturn looks like, but you kind of take it in two-year windows.

Speaker 1 So it's like, all right, what am I doing now that's going to prepare me for even just getting through next season? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you just watch, rinse, repeat that until you wake up one day and you realize,

Speaker 1 one, I talked about earlier,

Speaker 1 the joy of the game and making sure that's always there and being, you know, able to meet the moment of the competitive energy that you need to have.

Speaker 1 But then also, yeah, is it, am I really spending eight hours every off day just to get ready for the next day? Like, there's got to be a lot of people. And I love that Tom Brady has established.

Speaker 3 Tom Brady has established the, no, just kidding.

Speaker 3 You can always like say, yeah, yeah, no, I mean,

Speaker 1 i want to play

Speaker 1 what's the what's the what's the sleep regime how important is it it's huge i there's always that joke like once you're you get to later in your in your prime i have so many different apps and devices to help me get

Speaker 1 yeah noise machines yeah all the noise machines got blackout goggles yeah uh the whole deal and so it's huge because like that sleep debt is real it's um

Speaker 1 it's the only way to really you know rejuvenate and recover and allow yourself do you you miss home when you're on the road that much?

Speaker 1 I miss it all the time, but it's where I get the best sleep. And I can't, I can't.
I'll admit it to y'all. And I know this is going out to the world, but

Speaker 1 when I get, see the family, I really miss you guys, but I do look forward to road trips. Yeah, because you get a hotel sleep.
Because you get better sleep. I know.
I have all day long.

Speaker 1 I do the same thing. And I can't, and I feel guilty.
I'm in Atlanta right now for a couple of weeks. And I feel guilty because

Speaker 1 Alessandra, my partner, she's like, ah,

Speaker 1 our three-year-old. Oh, he woke up four times.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, do I tell her I had nine hours straight to sleep?

Speaker 1 Because she'd be so mad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 3 Steph, I want to let you go because we're already at an hour. We don't like to keep guests too long, but I want to give you a chance to talk about this incredible philanthropy that you have going

Speaker 3 as well as

Speaker 3 your company, Unanimous Media. I mean,

Speaker 3 any part of that

Speaker 3 you want to highlight? I mean, there's so much there between underrated golf and eat, learn, play. And I mean,

Speaker 3 I don't know how you have time to be so philanthropic and generous and diversified with your production company, too.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that. It's awesome to know the doors that basketball is open and the lanes that I never...

Speaker 1 thought I'd be able to play in and build and grow and and make impact. And so when you talk about our our foundation, me and my wife Aisha started a foundation that

Speaker 1 it's called Eat, Learn, Play. And we are the village for the next generation of young kids, especially in the open community, that need the necessary and vital resources to

Speaker 1 achieve and unlock their full potential. And so we've been doing that for

Speaker 1 a little over four years and have.

Speaker 3 $47 million you've channeled that way.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 a huge community that's come to support and yeah and obviously our our goal we we uh cover all uh operational expenses for the uh foundation so that every dollar that comes in is a hundred percent is going directly back into the community and and now working with the oakland unified school district uh to hopefully infuse 50 plus million dollars over the next four years um into into the school system to you know that's where kids go to eat learn and play every single day and so we're trying to meet them where they are so we're super excited about that and and even when it comes to inspires and next generation you talked about unanimous media which for us is um a unbelievable avenue and and venture to continue to elevate storytelling in the way that i can with you know in in the themes of faith family and sports and you know been on that journey for the last four years and have been a part of some amazing projects and truly feel like with with

Speaker 1 all of the ventures that I have, we talked about underrated golf.

Speaker 1 I feel like I could talk about that for hours, but we're just being able to leverage all the platform that I have that basketball has blessed me with to

Speaker 1 have something for the next chapter of life when the ball stops crossing. I love it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and giving so much access and opportunity to folks that wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 Please run for president. You're rich.

Speaker 1 Not even kidding. I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 I was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 1 You're the kind of person that we need, man. I swear to God.

Speaker 3 At a minimum, see what you can do for the Oakland A's and keep them in town.

Speaker 1 We're trying to keep some inspiration in the bay for sure, but I appreciate that. And just the fact that

Speaker 1 basketball is

Speaker 1 my life has been a part of

Speaker 1 the ability to leverage all the things we just talked about. But

Speaker 1 hopefully a couple more championships

Speaker 1 and then what comes next, I'll be prepared for. And then the champions tour.
I tell you what, I'm rooting for the Warriors from this point on. I am.
Come on with it. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 It's so awesome to talk to you. You're such a cool dude.
And the thing that you brought so many people

Speaker 1 so much joy over the years and entertained them. And then to then take that and continue.
You gave a lot of your time and you obviously got, you were the beneficiary of a lot of things.

Speaker 1 But you to be able to take it and do what you're doing now, man, it's super impressive and really, really cool. Yeah.
Really cool. And

Speaker 1 it makes me go, like, what the fuck is Sean done?

Speaker 1 Zero. Zero.
He's done a fucking

Speaker 3 orphans.

Speaker 1 No, he's just eating fucking white bread.

Speaker 1 White bread.

Speaker 1 White bread, motherfucker. Jesus.

Speaker 3 Well, cheers to you.

Speaker 3 Really well done. Keep it going.
You got plenty left to give, and we can't wait to see it. And

Speaker 3 I can't wait to see your golf swing in person next time you see.

Speaker 1 I got to see the process in person, too.

Speaker 1 I'll tighten it up. Come down to L.A.
Come down and play with us, man. Absolutely.
Nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you so much for doing this. I know we were trying for a while.
Thanks for making the time.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I appreciate you guys.
Obviously, big fans listen to it all the time, so keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 3 Good luck, rest of the season.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you. All right, likewise.
Take care. Bye, buddy.

Speaker 1 He's amazing. I tried real hard to understand

Speaker 1 the divisions and then the subdivisions. You know what, Sean? I thought

Speaker 1 I actually thought I am going to show you when I come home. Yeah.
I'll draw it out for you. I swear to God.
And then you'd go, oh,

Speaker 1 I actually would be really interested in that. Yeah, yeah.
It is. It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 He is super interesting and cool. Right?

Speaker 1 Just, oh my god, Jay, what a solid fella.

Speaker 1 Yeah, have you been trying to get him for a while?

Speaker 3 Like, yeah, well, you know, his schedules, you can imagine, it's hard to sort of, you know, when it when it works for him, um, you know, we're we're flexible, but I mean, he was like traveling.

Speaker 3 Shut up, yeah, yeah. Like, what didn't he? Did he say he's playing tonight?

Speaker 1 No, it's seven o'clock over there. Last played in the day game there or something? Anyway, last night.

Speaker 3 Um, I forgot that he was, uh, that there's a Toronto

Speaker 1 history. His dad ended up there, yeah.
And he went to school in Etobicoke. But there's no, it's, it's no wonder he is attached to so many things.
He seems he's got the personality.

Speaker 1 Like, not every sports figure, not every actor, not everybody

Speaker 1 on the planet has the personality to do.

Speaker 3 He seems very, very kind, very genuine, very nice. But I'll bet you $1,000 that Aisha, his wife, is

Speaker 3 a saint even larger than him. And I'll bet she's driving

Speaker 3 a lot of this stuff, and she probably deserves a huge.

Speaker 1 I'm sure. But as you know of course of course and and and as you know

Speaker 1 doing stuff uh

Speaker 1 when you know doing what he does at the highest level requires a lot of um energy and he's I'm sure got a lot of people pulling at him at different directions because he's got to deliver he's got to deliver on the court which is the first thing right that's the main that's how it he got to where he is and then there's all this other stuff that's part of that there's the there's the celebrity and there's the the foundation and there's the this and there's that and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Production coming.

Speaker 1 Production. There's that is requires so each one of those things requires so much energy and time and attention.
And to think how

Speaker 1 kind of like you said, JB, about when he plays, how effortlessly he seems to do it. And maybe that betrays like he,

Speaker 1 maybe he is, you know, he does have a tougher time managing, but it seems like so balanced as he's very

Speaker 1 impressive as it's it's so unbelievably impressive yeah all the stuff that he does at the highest level yeah but that whole thing like that was a you know his whole like journey that's a story i was blown away

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