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Details at lowes.com slash terms subject to change. Hey, listener, it's Stefan.
I'm here a little early for my episode.

I think we're probably waiting for Jason to clean his golf shoes and get his equipment going,

which is very disrespectful for the golf community.

But, you know, nevertheless, I'm here.

This is Smartless. Smart.
Less. Smart.
Less. Smart.
Less. Listener, we had a record earlier this morning.
Went very well. Very fun.
Nice. We had a, today's a twofer.
And we had a, what, a three-hour break, something like that. Yeah.
What'd you guys do? Will took a nap. Will, did you really? I did take a nap.
I did too. No way.
I took a little nap, not too long. I watched, obviously, some soccer.
You watched Arsenal get their first loss, huh?

I did watch Arsenal get their first loss.

So this is dating this podcast.

But I did watch that match.

It was very controversial.

Was it?

Yeah, there was a very controversial goal because they lost 1-0

and there was a controversial goal.

People are really mad at the VAR, the video assistant referee.

We don't need to put the audience into their own nap going over this.

So, Sean, what'd you do? I did. a i took a little nap just lunch before you nap i had a blt you did yeah and a blt with extra mayo your food is always so special do you ever just have like normal shit what that what's not normal about a blt you have to make the bacon and put it on the side.

No, no, no, no.

He lives next to a Sonic.

Do you live next to a Sonic?

He always has to live within four miles of a Sonic.

That's my contract.

Hey, can I guess what kind of bread it was on?

It was just white, regular white bread, country white.

Will, have you ever bought a loaf of...

I was from the country.

That sounds better. Will, have you ever bought a loaf of white bread? Sure.
Really? Have you ever, what is it? Bought a loaf of white bread. Of course.
What are you talking about? When you say I, I don't know if I have. Yeah, of course I have.
And I will say that the little kids, the little kids, they like... White bread.
But not, you know, they get a sort of

I don't know. It's children's food.

That's all Sean eats.

I eat white bread and drink milk almost every night.

What did you guys have? Jason, you and Amanda

went over for dinner the other night.

What did we have?

That was a lovely dinner.

Beautiful roasted chicken and roasted

vegetables and a salad

and we had to hear about

it the whole time. Scott and Sean were fucking furious that that's what they had to eat because we were there.
No, we knew you were coming over, so we made sure there was like, you know, Jason and Amanda food. And then for dessert, there was brownies.
This is Jason and Amanda versus Sean and Scotty. We had the brownies.
They had chocolate-covered dates. Listen.
True. That's true.
Well, first of all, you supplied them thinking we would enjoy them. But you didn't touch the brownie.
Oh, I sure did. Touched it big.
You did? My mouth touched it. I've seen Jay, you know, sometimes like on a Sunday night, somebody will bring a, usually you and Scotty, and somebody else will bring a dessert.
And I've seen Jason get overshared. I have addiction issues, you know.
But Eli was asking me today about dinner. I don't know, anyway.
I said, he asked me, Jason, what you, oh, we were talking about Atlanta. And I was saying, he was like, well, what did, did he order in a lot when he was living up there in that building where we ended up? I said, no.
No, I'm asleep by 7.30. Home by 7.30, he'll have a little salad and some crackers.
Well, dinner, yeah. True story.
Really? I found his crackers. Listen, the body is no fluke.
This body right here, it doesn't just happen. But last night at dinner, Jason, last night at dinner, we were at a restaurant.
I'll have a McCarthy salad, no bacon. Dressing on the side.
Dressing on the side, and then something else. No egg or something? Nope.
No? Just don't fucking mix it and give me the dressing. Which dressing did you ask for for that? I know the place.
Yeah, it's just a balsamic vinaigrette thingy.

Yeah, it's nice.

It's real nice.

And you don't want a heavy pour on the salad, you know?

It just ruins all the vegetables.

I know.

I don't like a drinking salad dressing, yeah.

Yeah, I don't think so.

I doubt it.

All right.

You want to talk about somebody who knows what to do with themselves when it comes to taking care of themselves. I got a guest for you.
Hold on. Let me pull up my notes here.
There's that. And here's this.
Here we come. Ready? Yeah.
Quiet. Today, we have someone who is equally successful in personal accomplishments as he is in teamwork.

He is as rich as he is philanthropic. He is as famous as he is soft-spoken.
This man

was the first to have been voted MVP unanimously in NBA history. He has nine NBA All-Star selections.

He has four NBA championships, and he was the first player to hit 103 pointers in the NBA finals. He is widely regarded as the greatest shooter in NBA history.
He's not a bad golfer either, and he's our guest today. Say hello to Steph Curry.
Shut Steph. Yeah.
The front door. Hello, gentlemen.
Shut the front door. Is this a booking? Is this a side door.
Shut the back door. Shut it down.
I can't believe this. And I married a Canadian.
Did you hear that? And you married a Canadian, and you spent a lot of time in Toronto. Yes, I do.
Yes, I do. Mark them to be exact.
Steph, I'm very excited you're here today. Oh, me too.
Thank you, fellas. This is great to be on.
Oh, great to meet you, man. Yeah, really nice to meet you.
Sean, you don't have to fake it, okay? I'll introduce myself later to Sean. Let's talk about that.
It goes deeper. It resonates.
I, of course, know who you are. And I'm very impressed with you and your life.
Yeah, it's incredible. Now, are we recording this at 3 o'clock because you had to play golf this morning? I wish.
So I had a really great golf season, I guess, in the summer. I think I saw you out there on the links passing by your neck of the woods.
But come October when we start our season, the golf clubs develop some cobwebs pretty quick. You don't take them with you at all? I try to.
I play maybe twice a month if I'm lucky, but we are in beautiful Cleveland, Ohio right now. Sure.
Between three games and four nights, so as a 35-year-old in my 15th year, most of the time is dedicated to staying as youthful as possible. What's the big key on that for you? What do you try to avoid that gets you super-duper tired? BLTs.
BLTs and white bread. Seriously, when I was laughing, when I was talking about Sean's lunch, I was like, I wish I could have had that.
That's right. Right, Steph? Yeah.
We know each other. Sean, show him your cookie pouch.
This is what Steph's trying to avoid. It's the cookie pouch.
There it is. But you know what? I bet when you're 53, you might have one.
I might have one. Yeah, so watch out.
Something to look forward to. Did your dad ever get himself a cookie pouch after he stopped playing? He did.
Really? So he played 16 years in the NBA. He did? Amazing.
He did. He got drafted in 86 by Utah, Cleveland, and then we spent 10 years in Charlotte, which is where I grew up with my family.
And then he ended up his last three years in Toronto, which is I lived there for three years. I can't wait for my obvious question.
If your dad did it, does that mean you wanted to do it, or was it forced upon you? It was a little bit of both. It's kind of forced upon you just by, that's all you're in.
You're in a gym all the time, you're following him and you develop a love for it. But I played other sports growing up, baseball, football, obviously golf too.
So you loved it. You loved sports.
I loved it. Yeah, I loved it.
And I got to see most of his career, which was cool because I was born born his third year in the league. And so he retired when I was 12.
Sorry, when I was 13, when I was in Toronto. But when he retired, he definitely, working out was not a priority for a while.
And then when I, he got inspired when, actually, when I got married back in 2011. That was the emphasis for him to get back in shape.
He didn't want to walk down the aisle with me. Right, well, he didn't want the photo to be out there.
Exactly. But you know what, Steph, let me ask you this.
How long would a guy last in the NBA if all he ate was salad and nuts? You know what's crazy? I'd say that guy, I'm the smallest guy usually out there. I'd be able to back that guy down in the post if it was a salad and nut diet.
You'd have a hard time finding them. Exactly.
So skinny. The vegan lifestyle is taking over the league.
Really? Is it really? Surely, yeah. Honestly, I don't touch it.
I don't know how they get their calories in. I know there's a science behind it, but one of my teammates, Chris Paul, now who's been, I think, vegan for about four years.
Yeah. I'm fascinated by what he brings on the plane or at mealtime, how he gets his nourishment.
I'm just amazed. I just stare at him.
I feel like I'm an awkward, like, you know, sociopath.

I'm just staring at everything he eats,

like, asking questions, like, how, how?

Now, you mentioned all those sports that you played growing up.

Are there any sports that you're not great at?

Like, just terrible at?

I've picked up a lacrosse stick once

and just have no neck for figuring out how to do that.

Anything really, soccer, I guess you could say, I don't have anything flashy going on, but I'm athletic so I could get by, I think. There's a lot of similarities to basketball and soccer with the movement and ball movement.
How's your tennis game? Tennis is solid. Pickleball is even stronger.
Pickleball. See? You know what, actually, we just had our buddy John McEnroe on the podcast not long ago, and we talked about the idea of kids when they're young.
He's such a big proponent of kids should not just play one sport. He's like, you should play multiple sports.
That's really important. And it sounds like you did that.
I prescribe to that for sure. There's so many crossover skill sets and personalities that you interact with, the demands on your body, your mind, especially for younger kids to kind of get exposed.
To be able to figure out what comes naturally, what doesn't, and how can you kind of close that gap. I didn't pick basketball until I was 13 as my only sport.
and even then, I would still play golf on the side and had some other curiosities. But that was when it became solely focused.
Wow. That's cool.
I played basketball before high school, in grade school. I need some footage.
I need to see. Don't threaten me.
I've heard you talk about the different sport experiences. I need some footage.
I remember the coach saying, give it to Hayes because I never got the ball. And give it to Hayes.
He was screaming, give it to Hayes. And I would run down and all the teammates would separate.
Just give me one shot like every 10 games. Bless him.
You got a participation trophy for sure. It's like one of those videos you see where they do that, where they get, like, the towel kid, and they bring him in and they let him.
It's true. Hey, so, Steph, were there any significant challenges right at the beginning to playing basketball? Probably not, right? I mean, you learned early, your shooting technique.
I'm sure your dad helped you. Was there like your height? You weren't small.
You kept getting bigger. What did you top out at? How tall are you? I'm 6'3 right now, but I was 5'7 and about 145 pounds my freshman year in high school wow there's a picture of me and my varsity team like sitting up front you know cross-legged and you're just like who yeah i you could have how we just described sean playing basketball you probably if you didn't know who i was you look at the picture you're like oh that's that kid so then was your dad starting to condition you for like it's probably not going to happen for you we'll see how tall you get but if you don't get to x start thinking about other things yeah that was I mean to the other question about was it forced on me that was I'm so grateful for how they my parents approached introducing me to the game because obviously you have a dad that played 16 years to kind of understand, oh, basketball is in its future.
But the physicality, deficiencies I had early, and there was always just an encouragement to just work, figure it out, build confidence as you go without really thinking about what the results were. Obviously, I knew what the NBA was.
I knew what Division I basketball was. I knew that that was a good way to try to get a scholarship to a good school.
But everything that they taught me and the coaches that I had kept me really in the moment, which is something I try to teach kids now because there's such a pressure on sports aside. It doesn't matter what you're talking about.
There's such a pressure to fast forward the process and the journey of how you get there because you see the polished product forced on you every time you open up your phone. And so me shooting, you know, fast forward the process and the journey of how you get there because you see the polished product, you know, forced on you every time you open up your phone.
And so me shooting, you know, threes in the finals and, you know, overcoming all the adversity I had in my career, it's all just that snapshot. But if you rewind the clock back and you talk to me when I was a sophomore in high school, the NBA was such a distant, you know, idea.
I was just enjoying playing basketball and being in that environment. But was it really, I mean, considering, you know, your lineage, right? I mean, your father, like, I would imagine you had all the added pressure of, if I am lucky enough to get in, am I going to be as good? And like, how did you deal with that? Because you, you over indexed there.
But not only that, Jason, think about this too. Like, did you have the thing where you had, you must've known you had good hand-eye coordination.
You played golf, you played a lot of different sports. You knew that you were athletic.
And so you, you must've had an inkling that like, Hey, if I can bring this stuff together, if I can land this plane, I'm going to do something outside of the pressure. But if you don't, that's going to be embarrassing for you, for them.
How did you deal with all that? Yeah, it's a nice balance, and my parents, I guess inherently, they both embodied it on the daily. My dad played 16 years my mom was a a founder of a montessori school that i went to uh in elementary school so it's kind of like a good balance of like priorities if they so if i start talking about like i missed my first middle school game um because i didn't do the dishes that's part of my chores this is like a written I was Sounds like my house.
So like the strictness that came with, you know, the priorities, like obviously you had to make sure you had good grades, make sure that you took care of yourself in the classroom, took care of your family and things at home, and then sports was down the way. They didn't let us slide on any of that.
So I think it gave us a perspective of, you know, sports is fun, and this is something that is in our family. It's in our blood.
But there was always perspective. But to the point of, yeah, I knew I was talented and gifted in certain areas, but it didn't really match up to the feedback I was getting from, you know, coaches and recruiters, especially when I got to high school.
Because, you know, I grew up in Charlotte. My dad played 10, 11 of his 16 years there.
So Del Curry's son in Charlotte, like people know who you are. So there is that added pressure.
Anytime you step foot in the gym, they have an expectation of who you're supposed to be. But I didn't really have to, that wasn't the conversation at home, so I kind of could get away from it, if that makes sense.
It was nice. It's a nice healthy balance there.
Were you playing, did you play at school? You obviously went to school in Toronto or in Martin too? Yeah, Queensway Christian College. It doesn't exist anymore, but it was in Etobicoke, Ontario.
I know Etobicoke well. You know who's from Etobicoke? It's Shani, Brendan Shanahan, who's a friend of ours who runs the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Friend of the program, friend of mine. I'm kind of a mentor to him.
And that's me. I just give him a lot of guidance with the team.
He goes on and on about it. It's crazy.
Now, Steph, what's your feeling on this? You know, I was at the Laker game the other night, and, you know, they do a great job there for the crowd and everything, with the music and all this stuff. They'll be happy to hear that you approve.
I realize, well, I'm saying something nice before I say something shitty. They got music going every single time the Lakers take the ball down the court.
And I started thinking, well, I wonder if the Lakers are pissed off about this. They're hearing this distracting.
It's basically they're scoring this movie, you know, with music. That's a new thing, isn't it? Didn't it used to be kind of like quiet and then they play music if something good happens? Yeah, how do you hear each other? This is part of our experience.
We hear it, but it doesn't really bother or affect us. Kobe Bryant used to say, I guess there was a conversation he had where he

talked about him working out in the summer.

He used to have it dead silent because that's

what he wanted to impart

on the home crowd. That was

the feeling. I wanted dead silence

in here, so I'm going to work out that way.

I'm not that maniacal

in terms of process,

but when you're out there on the court, you hear

the music, the atmosphere, you hear the music, the atmosphere,

you hear the fans chanting at you,

all that type of stuff.

The funny part is I've been a part of one unique game

in New York, Madison Square Garden.

I think it was 2017.

They tried like the old school method

where there was just, there was no PA announcer.

There was no in arena music at all.

No atmosphere. It was just the crowd noise.
It was like taking it back to the 1940s, 50s, whatever. Yeah.
It was the worst experience ever. Oh, really? Yeah, of course.
Like you just hear the shoes squeaking. You can't really feel momentum going away.
People clearing their voices and dropping cups and stuff. They abandoned it at halftime.
They said, oh, this is not working. Let's go back to that.
That's terrible. At halftime they said this is not working let's let's go back to that half time we all everybody was complaining so steph you know how in golf there's like there's thing called swing thoughts right we have like this one thing you think about and it gets your whole swing all in a groove right like just like tuck the right elbow in or you know right finger on the shit whatever the hell it is do you have a swing thought that has consistently worked for you in shooting the basketball? Like, do you think back of the rim or front of the rim or bottom of the net that puts it in a certain arc that you can count on that has worked for you over the years? Yeah, I think the biggest, it's a thought and a feeling all at the same time, but if I'm in balance, and that can mean a lot of different things.
I can be moving, you know, right, left, forward, backward, one foot, right, two feet, whatever it is. But there's a feeling of balance that, you know, no matter how many times I've been in the gym shooting any type of shot or envision, you know, a game kind of unfolding with your mental process and all that.
Like I

can feel when I'm in balance and when I'm in balance, I feel like I'm never going to miss. And so you don't think too hard about it.
No, you try to keep it really simple. The muscle memory and mechanics take over, but all I'm thinking about right before I shoot is can I get into proper balance? And then from there, it is something I noticed so clearly about you is such a unique quality of yours that of yours that you always seem to be so at ease and graceful and calm with everything that you do.
Yes, you're explosive and you're fast when you need to. But for the most part, what I sort of take away is that there's just a calmness and an ease to everything that you do that I bet every player wished they had.
Well, I'll add to that. I had the same thing because sometimes, yeah, watching you in so many different situations, and obviously you're a competitor and you see guys get, some guys get really heated, whatever.
You stay very calm. You seem very present in the moment.
Is that something that you work on? Oh, for sure that's what if he was like what's the question coming out the joy that's where the joy comes from so you're like there's a calmness to it but i'm i'm i'm a little kid out there on the court even you know 15 years and i if i if i ever lose that then i know it'll be time to time to quit because yeah uh that presence and the mindfulness of what's happening right now and literally i get lost in the game so uh it the the work or the business of basketball creeps in from time to time because there's so much that that goes on in terms of putting a team together and the ups and of an 82-game schedule or the pressures of performing every single night. But honestly, when I step foot on the floor, it's just pure joy.
And that's where I live. Wow.
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All right, back to the show. My two questions that I have to ask is- One at a time, please.
No, I was waiting for the two-parter because I know how this goes. It goes.
Worst? Because I got to get them in. I got to get these in.
Worst fight you've ever had on the court and worst injury. Oh.
Great question. Worst fight.
Has anyone ever gotten a beat down from you? No, I've gotten a beat down. It was in, I think it's on YouTube still.
It was in Indiana in 2013. Roy Hibbert, David West.
Oh, yeah. And my teammate at the time, David Lee.
Roy Hibbert and David Lee kind of squared up underneath the basket. And it was like big man on big man crime.
Guards and little guys stay out the way. Like that's kind of a known thing in the league when the big guys are going at it.
Everything else around doesn't matter. My dumb ass wanted to get in there and protect my teammates.
So they square up, they chest bump, and I run up behind Roy Hibbert. He's seven foot, probably 290, 280 pounds.
And I try to grab him from the back and pull him off my teammate. And when I tell you it was like swatting a fly off, he literally just took his left hand and just i went it was literally under the basket i flew all the way to the corner like feet off land slid across the court so now i'm embarrassed so i have to like get up and act like

i'm coming back for more and that's when david west who's like the big punisher the enforcer

on the court he like kind of chest you know stiff arms me and puts me in my place and like just

holds me one hand and there's all this commotion and on. And later the story is, I would have gone for it.
He just held me back. I was going to go for it.
Exactly. By the way, Roy Hibbert, nice guy.
Very nice guy. Got a mean left swim move.
He's got a mean, he's got a left swat, he calls it. He's got a mean left swat.
I never knew how strong Will was until we were doing that. And I had no idea.
I'm not taking my shirt off, dude. No, but really, he's so unassuming.
I tried to push him with all of my body weight. I couldn't push him an inch.
Yeah, it's annoying. Anyway.
I will ask you this. Do you apply that same kind of approach? And you talk about the balance and being present when you do all other sport like when you play golf or do you have because some people and i'm not going to name names some people when they stand over the ball they stand there like a psycho and they might be up to 30 seconds like a freaking psycho like you think this guy i'm glad he's here over the ball because otherwise he's going to be out, you know, 19 people.
My checklist is much shorter now. It is.
I heard you're working on it, right? I heard this is a process. He is working on his process.
You've heard about the process. Yeah, I've heard about the process.
So would you say, but do you do that or do you just swing athletically and just do it? The athletic tendencies take over. I am as maniacal about the game of golf as Jason is, just in terms of, like, I know there's always something to work on and get better, and I'm creative in that mindset where every little detail kind of matters, and I have to really try to turn all those thoughts off because they will get the best of you.
Especially, I've been playing, I mean, selfishly been playing the best golf of my life. And so it's like, how good can I really get? Dude, this summer you were on fire.
You're a scratch, aren't you? I got to the other side of that. I'm like a plus two right now, which is insane.
And how old are you? You're 35. 35.
Okay, so you have 15 years before the Champions Tour, if you want it. If you want it.
So 15 more years of training, you could be unstoppable on the Champions Tour if you want to do that at 50, right? You can make that decision. That is a goal for sure.
I know there's in the golf world, there's a lot of our celebrity and pro-am stuff, And so you can scratch the competitive itch here and there, especially when I get the nine months of my basketball season back when it's all said and done. But yeah, Champions Tour, I mean, I'm sick.
Like basketball could be on. I might have that on my phone, but on TV, it's Golf Channel.
Yeah, you and me both. It's just a problem.
My wife thinks I'm such an idiot. Well, you know, the other night...
A lot of apologies. Jason was over and I showed him my Golf Channel, which was This Old House on PBS.
I still watch This Old House. Do you know that show? I do not.
Oh, it's like from the 1970s. It's still on.
They build homes. They build houses.
It's really... You know who likes who likes it people who are in comas they play it just to have so that they know that there's or people that just can't they can't they'll roll a TV into a room if somebody's in a coma and they can't find the remote control those are the folks that love that yeah or if the remote is broken it's all in the room or they're strapped to a chair and it's stuck on PBS it's the best show this old house I sent house.
I sent Jason a video this morning. Jason's game has gotten so good and mine is.
I haven't been playing as much, but his game is. You're not a plus, but your game's good.
I sent him this video today of this dude who played 18 holes with a 5-iron this morning. Yeah, and all he wanted to do was break 80.
And he shot, what did he shoot, 76? Yeah, he shot 78. Yeah he plays on the he plays on the dp tour european guy he did that tells you how good those guys yeah two bunk he's hit two greenside bunker shots flop shots with a five iron dude yeah it was good crazy we'll send it to you um talk to me about you and clay thompson the splash brothers how did you develop the the the chemistry with? Is that, you know, when anyone's ever asked me about chemistry with an actor or something like that, I always say, well, it's not something you want.
It's just that person's just nice. It's just, it's easy.
If someone's not a prick, you can get along with them and you have chemistry immediately. Is that as simple as it is with you and Clay? It's transferable to our relationship for sure.

We've been together on the court now for 12 years.

And then you add Draymond Green to that for 11.

So it's insane to think that two guys who had dads

that played in the NBA as well.

That's what I was going to say. And like you said, have a good perspective about what we worked for to get here and approach life very similarly with appreciation and gratitude that we kind of hit it off from the jump.
I don't know, when you get into these type of friendships from your standpoint with your people in the same profession, comics, whatever, actors, that you kind of sharpen each other's skill sets just by being around each other. Yeah, for sure.
And that's how we've been this entire time. It's not something that we actually really talk about.
It's like, we don't come in and sit down at dinner. What percentage are you trying to shoot this year? Is your elbow at 90 degrees? But it's more just when you're in that environment, our work ethics are pretty top-notch in terms of being able to try to figure out how to get better every single year.
And that iron sharpens iron is real. And there's such a respect level for the way that he approaches basketball and life, and that's why we're still doing it.
And I'll bet the two of you with that kind of harmony and kindness and quiet leadership and all that stuff, it's infectious in the team, correct? Like you guys, I bet, have created a culture over there that it should be no surprise that you guys have won that extra 10 to 15 games each year, whatever it takes to get to a place where you're in the finals. And once you're in the finals, like that kind of harmony in a team environment really yields the extra thing that you need to be excellent as opposed to great.
Yes? No, for sure. The culture part of a lot of different ways to lead, right? There's a lot of different ways.
You can be the loud one that needs to say something about everything. You can be the lead by example type.
You can be the ones that show up when the lights are brightest and galvanize that confidence within the team. But following kind of Steve Kerr, our coach, and the legendary coaches that he played for, Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, played alongside Michael Jordan.
But Kerr has been famously a really, really nice guy. Yeah, he's just a great manager of people, like an impersonable guy.
He seems to have a very sort of similar disposition, obviously very different personality, but disposition to Greg Popovich, both of whom I don't know at all. But it just seems like they have a very similar kind of vibe.
Is that right? They're straight shooters. They have a great sense of humor.
Yeah. They have a perspective that, you know, our problems in the NBA, they're real.
Like, we're trying to win at the highest level. There's pressure.
This is a multi-billion dollar industry that is set up to test you in all different ways. And if you want to win at the highest level, it's going to demand a lot from you.
But, you know, he has a great way of kind of explaining, like, we're blessed, man. We get to play basketball for a living.
And he reminds us of that every single day when we come in. And that kind of just levels the playing field.
There's a level of trust within each other, and he does the best job of when you come into a team kind of element, I don't care if it's sports, it's whatever facet of life, like everybody has a specific role to play, and he makes sure that that's clear, but it doesn't diminish your value to the success of the group. I think he has a great way of managing that process from day one to the end.
the end that's cool making guys believe in that and to you know that's why we we've been able to sustain this level of success for as long as we have but what do you what do you guys do season to season i've often wondered like you come in you guys you win a few championships and so you're the best you guys are the best you've got an unbelievable team you got great chemistry what does a guy like steve kerr say when you come into camp whatever that is august september to get ready for the new season do guys like him go okay well we won last year this year our approach is going to be because obviously the goal like if he sat there and goes we want to win a championship like yeah no shit that's what everybody wants to win the championship does he do they set different goals they go this is this is what we're going to do this year approach is going to be different like yeah there's a the way i talk about what's happening right now like we've won four championships uh since 2015 we've been in six finals so we've lost two of them uh we lost in the second round last year to the lakers uh on a down year for us which is that's how the high standard we've set came into this year and to your point obviously everybody knows if we don't win a championship then it's a failed season for us because of the standard cool you can't just come in and say that like there has to be uh a level of detail of how you approach the year for us it's we's we have to win the week. That's what we call it.

So however many games there are that week,

it gives you a singular focus on what do you need to do to win the week.

We need to have a winning record every week.

And that's how you get the little bite-sized motivation

for a nine-month journey that there are so many emotional rollercoaster

rides throughout the year.

And I think everybody, you want those little bit of celebratory moments, right?

Whether you know you're going to hit some down, some tough parts of the season,

some tough stretches, but you go 2-1 in a three-game week

and everybody's like, yeah, we did that.

Like for a team that's won four championships, that might sound weird,

but it's real because it keeps you in the fight. uh that that was the way he came in for this year for somebody who for somebody who doesn't uh watch sports basketball nothing but they they're constantly striving to be the best that they can be and and be excellent as much as they can and And they might struggle sometimes with the moment when it's time to go, to hit the shot, land the plane.
What would you tell, without getting too woo-woo, but is there something that you can say to the listener for them to maybe focus on that might get them centered and focused so that they've got their best chance at being the best part of themselves? Like, do you focus on anything that's kind of evergreen? Don't fuck up. I think that one is always good.
It's a great bumper sticker. We need to write that book.
Nike was going to do that one originally. Yeah.
Before Just Do It, originally it was going to be Don't Fuck Up. Period.
It's interesting because I guess, like you said, I don't want to sound too cliche with it, but it's literally like confidence is built off your preparation, and that's first and foremost. And if you can't look yourself in the mirror and say you did everything that you knew and within your control to put yourself in position to be prepared for whatever that moment is then you're already and you're already behind the eight ball but then at that point for me the biggest hurdle that I had to overcome was like the legit fear of failure it was legit like sometimes wanting to hide from you know the backlash or the criticism or the the the negative energy that you'll get if you don't accomplish whatever you set it out to do um and once you go through that and put yourself out there you realize it's not all that bad because yeah yeah um that's kind of what life is about right i'm gonna do i'm gonna do woo-woo for one second because to that point, I always say the greatest safety net in anybody's life is the fact that you're loved, right? So if you know you are loved and you feel you are loved by your husband, your wife, your kids, your family, your friends, your teachers, whoever, your coach, you are loved.
So if you are loved, you can fail a million times and still have that love to fall back on. They'll always be there to catch you.
That's the challenge too there probably, yeah. Make sure you have that certain.
All the orphans just got their feelings hurt. There you go.
You fucking dick. You never think about the orphans.

Exclusionary motherfucker.

That's a little late.

All right.

I think focusing on all jokes aside,

man, I have

and I can say what

especially in the profession

that we're in, Jason started younger, but he also knows what it's like. I mean, I failed so much that I can't, all I did was fail for years.
I didn't make... Listener, we're all nodding.
We're all nodding. Yeah, I know.
We all are nodding because it's true. And I continue to do it.
And I failed from the time I moved to New York. I was 20.
I didn't make it. I was so broke.
And I just didn't. And I failed all the freaking time.
And then there's that turning point. I was talking to my buddy Eli about it.
That turning point where, you know, whatever. It's just plays.
You start to get better at it. You start to get better at it.
You start to get better. And then you also, I think you develop a, I don't know whatever it's just plays you start to get better at it you start to get better at it you start to get better and then you also i think you develop a i don't know it's like an armor like your skin gets thicker and you start just going like you don't think about the failures for me my own thing is like i gotta think about the stuff that's working you know because we i think as humans we just naturally we can we can have 95 of our life is working great and some 5% shit is bothering us and we will think about that 5% and that's craziness, right? Yeah, yeah.
And so I had to do so much sort of spiritual calisthenics to get to the place where I'm like, just think about what's working and focus on that. And I think that I got better at it, but fuck, it took a lot of feeling to get there.
And that comparison is the thief of joy thing, especially for us when you're looking around and you see people who are on different timelines within their journey, right? Yeah. Who knows what they've been through, what they've exposed, has positioned them to that place when you have those blinders on.
So whatever, like the journey, like the things that you learn through that failure, obviously we all know are key as long as you can make them useful and make them resources for the next step and not deter you from whatever you're setting out to do. But that journey, when you look back and to your point, I love that.
The 95 to 5% thing is a real, real, I'm putting that in perspective of everything that I've gone through because it's the shared goals that you have with those people around you, orphans aside, that are extremely, I guess the most memorable parts of life. I'm not walking in looking at trophies or my rings.
It's nice to have them. Don't get me wrong.
It's nice to pull them out. But those represent the nine-month journey I was talking about with what Coach said, like how many weeks did we win that year and just the little bite-sized things that make a difference in terms of your happiness and your peace of mind and the joy that you bring to it.
So for us, like, that's a big part of, you know, dumbing down the pressure that you're in on a daily basis. And Sean touched on it, the love from family.
And you've been, you know, it's hard to miss if anybody's followed you through your career, how present your family is. Your parents, your kid, your wife, whatever, they're always, they seem to be omnipresent.
That seems to be obviously a key to success. And how awesome is it that you can share this with your parents? Obviously, seemingly a lot.
Oh, for sure. And even your family structures and things change and you start to, even as an adult, it would get real deep with it.
But my parents got divorced a couple years ago, and it's like the way that life kind of forces you to rethink and reimagine all your relationships and the growth that happens through that, it's a real blessing through some tragedy and through some trauma, right? Even when you're in those moments, you kind of don't see it. But I think the maturity that comes through all those experiences you go through is the appreciation of who's pouring into your life on a daily basis, who's giving you a sense of confidence in who you are as a person and the value that you bring.
And the more that you can put yourselves in those environments, and my family has been a huge support and stars all across the board in that respect. I'm now in charge of passing on to my family and my kids, and that's the beauty of life right there.
Yeah. Well, it sounds like, you know, no pain, no gain.
You know, this is a phrase that I just thought up the other day that I've been using quite a bit. Oh, I'm going to write that down.
I want to know the injury thing. Your worst injury.
No pain, no gain. I've had what, four surgeries in my NBA career.
No way. I had two early in my career.
I had two ankle reconstructions that were pretty nasty. And then I, it was four years ago, I broke my hand.
A big seven-footer decided he wanted to take a charge while I was in the air instead of meet me at the rim and trying to block a shot. And I fell over top of him, and he landed back on my hand.
So I have two beautiful scars on my left hand that I broke a hand, had a carpal tunnel syndrome relief surgery on it. From texting? The feeling just came back from texting.
Sean got carpal tunnel doing a musical. We're in the same boat.
We're in the same boat.

Same.

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He did, by the way.

He did.

Every night he had

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because he had to play

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It was pretty crazy.

Piano injuries.

Yeah, that's real.

We all go through it. We all go through it.

We all go through it.

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And now back to the show. Steph, can you speak a little bit to the extent the league allows you to criticize this in-season tournament? Do you have any comments? So this is not because I get paid by the NBA.
I absolutely love it. I'm hearing it's almost unanimous that you guys are all digging this.
I'm still— What is it? It's brand new. It's like soccer.
They do it in soccer. I love it.
We're playing the same – that's the biggest thing, the difference, obviously. We're playing the same teams.
It's all 30 of us just mixed up in different groups than we normally are in our divisions. But what they did with the entertainment value and like – we played last night, our first one.
Explain it to Sean. Explain it to Sean.
Explain it to Sean. There's 30 teams in the NBA.
Yeah. We're all already separated into six divisions, five teams in each division.
Yeah, sure. So that's been the way it's been for 30 years now.
What they did this year was they took each of the 30 teams and put you in six different groups within the Western Conference. There's three groups, and the Eastern Conference.
There's three groups. And they designated four regular season games within those groups.
So we play these teams anyway, but they designated these specific groups to say, all right, this counts towards the end-season tournament grouping. And so we played Oklahoma City last night, and we won.
So we're 1-0 in our group. We'll play Oklahoma City again, but that game won't be designated as the end-season tournament game.
So they're still playing the regular season, and the game they played last night against Oklahoma, that still counts in the whole regular season. It still counts in the standings and counts in both.
But it also counts towards this end-season tournament. Oh, that's crazy.
Is it a way for them to sort of like keep the middle of the season exciting for the viewers? Yeah, it's for the viewers. And it just brings a fresh energy to our first, you know, 20 games, basically up until Christmas.
How does the tournament work in Vegas for the people who work in there? So that's where it builds up to. So after you play those four games in your group, the best team or the team with the best record in each group, which would be six teams, and then there's two wild card spots, one for the West, one for the East, with the next best record or all the tiebreakers they have.
So you have eight teams that come out of the pool play. And then you'll play a bracket.
So it's three games. And if you make it to the final four, then we go to Vegas, and they they play two games there do those games count for the regular season as well so the the semi the final four game does the championship game is essentially the 83rd game of the season so that doesn't count towards the regular season but if you play in that game and you win the nba uh like the financial incentive is 500 000 for each player wow and uh and for the championship so you have it you have to have a degree in math as well math and travel and travel planning coordinator logistics that's unbelievable that's unbelievable when's the end of that tournament the in the end of december is the like championship week of the nc uh of the in-season tournament.
So they'll have the quarterfinals, semifinals, and the championship game. I think it's like December 9th.
Don't quote me on that. But it's the first week of December.
And so basically, the cool part is they redesigned courts for this. Oh, yeah.
So if you just happen to be scrolling TV, it's like, Sean, you know, you used to watch Boise State football games back in the day with the field. With that blue field.
The blue field. They did that with ours, so they kind of, you know, circused out the courts to make it look and feel way different.
Was the Bucs-Knicks last night? Was that, okay. Every game that was on, so I think it's every Tuesday and Friday are the in-season tournament games.
So, yeah, you'll see, you'll know. You'll be like, what the hell is going on on the court right here? So it'll stop you in your tracks.
I like going to live basketball games. I think it's fun.
Okay. Well, we got the quote.
Hey, so would we...

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What kind of fan experience do you want, Sean?

Hey, let me ask you.

I need to know this

because I've often wondered this. Some of the guys who you've known and played with over the years, a lot of them are extremely tall.
And we're talking guys who are. And so they go through life as these incredible.
They're not just sort of 6'4", 6'5". They're like 6'9", 6'10", 7 feet.
I imagine, do they have to just live like freaks? I mean, do they have to have longer beds? What do they do with their cars? What do they do with their clothes, with their houses? Do they have to have special? I've always wondered that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a process. Our road hotels, a lot of them complain about the feet hanging over the end.
There's nothing can really do about that i know they probably can't just go to you know your uh your standard malls and go shop off the racks they got to have you know all the special tailoring and stuff and seems like a headache of just having to go an extra step or two for stuff like that they're not eligible to drive certain cars right especially if they're in the market for some high luxury type stuff where they actually got to think about leg room and all that. Minivans, that's it, right? Straight up.
And you see, like, Shaq is the one who's had all his cars, like, custom made for him where they, like, put the seat in there. Oh, really? I know Shaq a little bit over the years.
He's such an awesome dude. He's a hilarious dude.
And one time I was with my kids, I was in Los Angeles, and this dude pulls up in this black car, and the passenger rolls down the window and goes, somebody wants to say hello. And I was like, oh, okay.
And I looked in, and I had to keep looking back through the window. And Shaq had moved his seat.
It was obviously custom done like it was in the back seat, basically. Wow.
You see, like, when he had a thing, he did an MTV. What's up, big man?

He did a Cribs video

where they went to his bedroom.

He had, like, this,

I think it was a Corvette,

if I'm not mistaken,

but it was, like, a,

not a Cali King.

It's probably, like,

double the size of that.

And he takes it to the extreme,

but I know all these guys

have to really kind of

take into consideration

the normal stuff.

Speaking of tall players,

we've got a brand new one

this year, this rookie phenom, Victor Wembanyama. Have you played with him yet? Played a preseason game against him.
He's 7'4", and he plays like me. Yeah, right.
He shoots, he moves. First of all, let's not say plays like you yet.
Let's give him a little bit of time. That's got a pretty good J on him.
him he is but i mean i'm talking about consistency over time is the is the marker it's just like i do like these these dribbling drills where you use two basketballs and it's usually like a guard thing is we have the skill set and the hand out can he do that he can there's a video of him you can look it up victor went by on by two ball dribbling when i saw it it's just so smooth and fluid it's like what am i actually looking at right now kevin durant would would be the closest comparison yeah as far as agility and size and and and and shooting yeah yeah but then you see a side-by-side picture of what 7-4 versus 6-10 6-11 looks like and yeah that's this different ball um are they playing him i've only seen one game i think do they play him at center or do they play him at forward because because his size i mean he's so skinny like he wouldn't he get beat up as a center like would you play him at forward greg probably i wouldn't i'm not gonna step in on his uh his expertise but i would say yeah if he's a match or problem no matter matter what position you play him at. But they also put some beef around him and play him like at the 2-3, you know, the extended guard in small forward position just to make it even more difficult to figure them out.
I saw him playing against Durant. Because he can go wherever he wants.
I saw him playing against Durant the other night while I watched the highlights, and it was fucking sick. Just watching all the different shots that he hit, all the different things, the block shots, the moves that he had.
I was like, it was, yeah, it's like you said, what am I watching? I've never seen anything like that before. I like the Kevin Durant reference because he's the most pure scorer at that height where he can literally do everything with the ball, but this guy is different.
Are there any other players in the league right now that strike you as kind of unique right now? Are you sensing any sort of new styles of playing that are coming into the league at all that are exciting to you? The interesting thing is they always said, I ruined the game. And by that, obviously, everybody wants to shoot threes and see how far deep they can shoot.
I mean, you routinely put it in. I mean, Sean, this guy shoots from, there's a three-point line, which they give you an extra point because beyond this line, you know, it's too far away.
So that's why they give you an extra point. He shoots from the four-point line basically.
I'm telling you, I play basketball. They play in an arena.
Sean, it's a ball going in the hoop. Where? Where? Is it outside? Is it near my house? There's organs playing at most arenas too.
Yeah, and tank tops. They're all playing in tanks.
Organs. One day you look up there, I'm just like up there playing the organs.
Sean, if you end up as an arena organist what do you mean end up wait I want to know something no no no style of play that you see coming into the league at all it's just like positionless basketball where everybody can do everything it's kind's kind of cool because that's the influence of them seeing my style and the Warrior style over the course of the last decade where you have guys who were – I get into the locker room now and I have a locker mate who sits to the right of me, Brandon Pajemski, who's just turned 21 or about to turn 21 and so he was in uh when we won our first championship in 2015 he was in the sixth grade oh boy and so you kind of see uh the influence of our he's watching this and now okay i'm gonna work on this i'm gonna try to add that to my game. So you just see that infused into the entire league where there's just so many guys that are pretty versatile to do pretty much everything.
And you asked the question about what position does Victor Wimbayama play. Everybody plays every position now.
And it's kind of cool to kind of see the mixing and matching and the rotations there because there's no stiffs that just are out there

just to set screens and do nothing else.

You got to be able to be pretty skilled at everything.

Yeah.

Sean, ask him what his pregame rituals are.

Well, I want to know that.

Actually, do you want to know that?

And his favorite city to play in.

I do want to know that.

These are Sean specials.

And then I also want to know a deeper question,

which is with all of your success and how phenomenal you are and the talent that you have been given. And you're very young still.
You're 35, you said? Mm-hmm. You're so young.
You could probably do this for many, many more years. But do you ever think about when you're by yourself and think about, gosh, with all of my injuries and all this stuff, like, I want to set a clock myself before my body tells me the clock.
Like before it's, I want to think about this on my terms. Like, do I have five years left? Do I have 12 years left? Like, what is the span of somebody like you in the field that you're in? And you can hear that Invisalign, right, Steph? Right? Can you really hear it? Can you really hear it? Bless his heart.
He's trying so hard. Making use of the time.
I think that's a great question then because i've started to think about that obviously a little bit more as of late because you know there's less years in front of you than there were behind you um and going out on your own terms is is kind of the the goal um for us my prime is i don't know how long i can extend it because i really feel like i'm playing the best basketball of my life now at 35 when you mix in the experience and reps and wisdom and the know-how even balancing on court off court stuff um but then to your question i know i'm not gonna do it forever so i talked to tom brady about it name drop and i feel like uh he was just saying you can think about that and you can prepare for what the downturn looks like but you kind of take it in two-year windows so it's like all right what am i doing now that's gonna prepare me for even just getting through next season yeah and then you just wash rinse repeat that until you wake up one day and you realize, one, I talked about earlier, the joy of the game and making sure that's always there and being able to meet the moment of the competitive energy that you need to have. But then also, yeah, am I really spending eight hours every off day just to get ready for the next day? And I love that Tom Brady has established the, no, just kidding.

You can always say,

I want to play school.

What's the sleep regime?

How important is it?

It's huge.

There's always that joke, once you're

getting to later in your prime,

I have so many different apps

and devices to help me get to sleep.

Noise machines.

Noise machines, blackout goggles, the whole deal. And so it's huge because that sleep debt is real.
It's the only way to really rejuvenate and recover. Do you miss home when you're on the road that much? I miss it all the time, but it's where I get the best sleep.
And I can't, I'll admit it to y'all, I know this is going out to the world, but when I get, you see the family, I really miss you guys, but I do look forward to road trips. Yeah, because you get better sleep.
Because you get better sleep. I know.
All day long. I do the same thing and I can't, and I feel guilty.
I'm in Atlanta right now for a couple of weeks and I feel guilty because Alessandraandra my partner she's like oh um our three-year-old he woke up four times oh my god and i'm like do i tell her i had nine hours straight because she'll be so mad steph i i want to let you go because we're already at an hour. We don't like to keep guests too long, but I want to give you a chance to talk about this incredible philanthropy that you have going as well as your company, Unanimous Media.
I mean, any part of that you want to highlight? I mean, there's so much there between underrated golf and eat, learn, play. And I mean, I don't know how you have time to be so philanthropic and generous and diversified with your production company, too.
Yeah, I appreciate that. It's awesome to know the doors that basketball is open and the lanes that, you know, I never thought I'd be able to play in and build and grow and make impact.
And so when you talk about our foundation, me and my wife, Aisha, started a foundation that's called Eat, Learn, Play, and we are the village for the next generation of young kids, especially in the Oakland community, that need the necessary and vital resources to achieve and unlock their full potential. And so we've been doing that for a little over four years and have $47 million you've channeled that way.
It's been a huge community that's come to support. And our goal, we cover all operational expenses for the foundation so that every dollar that comes in is 100% is going directly back into the community.
And now working with the Oakland Unified School District to hopefully infuse 50 plus million dollars over the next four years into the school system. That's where kids go to eat, learn, and play every single day.
And so we're trying to meet them where they are. So we're super excited about that.
And, and even when it comes to Inspires and Next Generation, you talked about unanimous media, which for us is an unbelievable avenue and venture to continue to elevate storytelling in the way that I can with, you know, in the themes of faith, family and sports.. And, you know, I've been on that journey for the last four years and have been a part of some amazing projects and truly feel like with all of the ventures that I have, we talked about underrated golf.
I feel like I could talk about that for hours, but we're just being able to leverage all the new platform that I have that basketball has blessed me with to have something for the next chapter of life when the ball stops bouncing. I love that.
Yeah, giving so much access and opportunity to folks that wouldn't necessarily have it. I tell you what, man, please run for president.
You're rich enough. I'm not even kidding.
You're rich enough, you're cool. I know.
I was thinking the same thing. You're the kind of person that we need, man.
I swear to God. At a minimum, see what you can do for the Oakland A's and keep them in town.

We're trying to keep some

inspiration in the Bay for sure, but I

appreciate that. And just the fact

that basketball

is my life, has been a part of

the ability to

leverage all the things we just talked about.

But hopefully a couple

more championships and then

what comes next I'll be prepared for. And then the Champions Tour.
I tell you what, I'm rooting for the Warriors from this point on. I am.
Come on with it. Yeah, dude.
It's so awesome to talk to you. You're such a cool dude.
And to think that you brought so many people so much joy over the years and entertain them and then to then take that

and continue.

You gave a lot of your time

and you obviously got,

you were the beneficiary

of a lot of things,

but to be able to take it

and do what you're doing now,

man, it's super impressive

and really, really cool.

Yeah, really cool.

And it makes me go like,

what the fuck has Sean done?

Zero.

Zero.

He's done a fucking zero.

He's ignoring the orphans. No, he's just eating fucking white bread.
White bread. White bread motherfucker.
Jesus. Well, cheers to you.
Really well done. Keep it going.
You got plenty left to give, and we can't wait to see it. And I can't wait to see your golf swing in person next time you're down.
I got to see the process in person, too. I'll tighten it up.
Come down to L.A. Come down and play with us, man.
Absolutely. Nice to meet you, pal.
Well, thank you so much for doing this. I know we were trying for a while.
Thanks for making the time. Absolutely.
I appreciate you guys. Obviously, big fans listen to it all the time, so keep doing what you're doing.
Okay, thanks, Charlie. Thank you, man.
Good luck for the rest of the season. Appreciate you.
All right, Steph. Likewise.
Take care. Bye, buddy.
He's amazing. I tried real hard to understand the divisions and then the subdivisions.
You know what, Sean? I thought, I actually thought, I am going to show you when I come home. I'll draw it out for you.
I swear to God, and then you'd go, oh actually would be really interested in that yeah yeah it is it's very interesting he is super interesting and cool right yeah just oh my god jay what a solid fella yeah have you been trying to get him for a while like yeah well you know his schedule you can imagine it's hard to sort of you know when it when it works for him um you know we're we're flexible but i mean he was like traveling and just like showed up. Yeah didn't he did he say he's playing tonight no it's 7 o'clock over there last night day game there or something anyway I forgot that he was that there's a Toronto yeah history that ended up there yeah and went to a school in Etobicoke but there's no it's no wonder he is attached to so many things.
He seems he's got the personality. Like not every sports figure, not every actor, not everybody on the planet has the personality to do what he can do.
He seems very, very kind, very genuine, very nice. But I'll bet you $1,000 that Aisha, his wife, is a saint even larger than him.
And I'll bet she's driving a lot of this stuff. And she probably deserves a huge, huge applause.
I'm sure, but as you, of course, of course. And as you know, doing stuff, doing what he does at the highest level requires a lot of energy.
And he's, I'm sure, got a lot of people pulling at him at different directions because he's got to deliver he's got to deliver on the court which is the first thing right that's the main that's how he got to where he is and then there's all this other stuff that's part of that there's the there's the celebrity and there's the the the foundation and there's the this and there's that and it's production company there's like thing there's that is requires so each one of those things requires so much energy and time and attention and to think how kind of like you said jb about when he plays how effortlessly he seems to do it and maybe that betrays like he maybe he is you know he have a tougher time managing, but it seems like so balanced, as he said.

Yeah, it seems very slow.

It's impressive.

It's so unbelievably impressive, all the stuff that he does at the highest level.

Yeah, but that whole thing, like that was a, you know, his whole like journey.

That's a story I was blown away by.

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