"Taika Waititi"

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Speaker 2 Hey, God, sorry I didn't see you there. You caught me off guard.
I was just, um,

Speaker 2 I just really miss Sean and Jason, right?

Speaker 2 Feeling real, um,

Speaker 2 feeling real lonely out here in this cold open on

Speaker 2 my own.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, I promised myself I would cry.

Speaker 2 Not when it cried, that I would cry, and I can't do it. Gosh dang it.
All right, it's an all-new smart list. Smart.

Speaker 2 Hi y'all

Speaker 2 Good evening

Speaker 2 Hi, good evening very late.

Speaker 2 This is a very very unusual

Speaker 3 smartless after dark This is smartless after dark Yeah, I mean I'm should we take a piece of clothing off maybe?

Speaker 2 Oh, let's see how it goes.

Speaker 3 I mean, isn't that what usually happens after dark in my house? Okay. Everyone is topless after six.

Speaker 2 No kidding.

Speaker 1 Am I the only one in my pajamas other than the baseball hat?

Speaker 3 No, I'm in my pajamas, but that doesn't change anything from our daytime recording.

Speaker 2 No, no. But JB, what's the earliest, all jokes aside, what's the earliest you'll get in your jammies?

Speaker 3 Well, if I'm not going out at all,

Speaker 3 I never get out of them. I'll be in it all day.

Speaker 1 Oh, and you're telling me I smell like juicy, disgusting juice?

Speaker 2 No, well, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 What's the quote?

Speaker 2 What does it usually say?

Speaker 3 I usually say you smell like dirty, disgusting, juicy juice.

Speaker 2 What'd you just say?

Speaker 2 Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 No, you usually smell like a chin chin.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 This is true. But I mean, you always make fun of me because I, because I, or what was it, I was, I was wearing the same thing like all day long.
You're like, and you didn't take take another shower?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You take

Speaker 2 the same shower. But you'll wear the same.

Speaker 3 What'd you both get into today? Here we are at the end of the day. Do you feel like you used today correctly?

Speaker 3 Or did you just waste a day?

Speaker 2 I do. I thought that I'd see you.

Speaker 2 I attacked the hill this morning. Yeah.
Took the kids to school, attacked the hill. Didn't call either of you while I was on my

Speaker 2 journey

Speaker 2 because I didn't want to get another impression of my breathless phone calls. Right.
And then.

Speaker 3 Were you zipped into your plastic sweatsuit?

Speaker 2 I was zipped into the

Speaker 3 rubber bag.

Speaker 3 But I'd love it if you actually had one of those.

Speaker 2 I'm way wrong.

Speaker 3 I haven't seen one of those since Rocky. Wasn't Rocky jogging in one of those? Yeah.

Speaker 2 He jogged. And then didn't it some actor years later?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. I was just going to say, Lawrence, Martin Lawrence.

Speaker 2 Martin Lawrence. I remember that.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 really long, you know. And then

Speaker 2 I worked with Chapman this afternoon. We wrote for about four hours.
We did

Speaker 3 so what does that look like, by the way, these writing sessions? Can I guess,

Speaker 3 you're on a computer with him because he's over there in England, and he just sort of shares his screen with you, and you kind of watch him write.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I just get paid. Hey, Chappie.

Speaker 3 Chappie, typo. Chappie, typo.

Speaker 1 Can you tell your camera?

Speaker 3 Two lines up. Yeah, you forgot the apostrophe right there.

Speaker 2 Welcome.

Speaker 1 I just got back recently, like about an hour ago from having a facial to answer your question.

Speaker 2 I treated myself I haven't had one in a long, long, long, long time.

Speaker 3 No, this is the kind where they pop cat heads and stuff.

Speaker 2 Okay. Will.
I'm trying to fucking,

Speaker 3 you know, my wife's very diligent about making sure that I get in there and get my facial once a year.

Speaker 3 Are you more frequent than that, Sean?

Speaker 1 Maybe two a year.

Speaker 3 When's the last time you had your toes and fingers done?

Speaker 1 Years and years.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 You've had a manicure or pedicure recently?

Speaker 1 No, not for years and years and years.

Speaker 3 Will, don't lie. Last manny petty.

Speaker 2 Manny petty, I don't know, but I've had two facials in the last six weeks.

Speaker 2 Are you serious? Is that right?

Speaker 3 Because you had some on-camera work, did you?

Speaker 2 No, yeah, but you know what? I haven't had one in at least five years before that.

Speaker 2 Okay. And

Speaker 3 this explains a lot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it feels good, though. I'll tell you what.
I pass out. Yeah, me too.
Yeah, I do too. Best.

Speaker 3 Do you have one of those ugly wake-ups too when you're snowing like,

Speaker 2 oh, my God.

Speaker 2 i totally do every time this is this is also relatable i also had a massage recently when i and uh yeah uh and and we i did a 90-minute massage it's not that fan everybody gets massages in the world and i don't get them all the time

Speaker 2 and uh i had

Speaker 2 she let me it was 90 minutes and she just kept me face down the full 90 and i was asleep so i didn't know that i hadn't done like the flip over and she was

Speaker 2 And I fully did a

Speaker 2 like this, woke up, and then my face had been in the donut

Speaker 2 facing down for 90 minutes i look like i'd just been kicked in the face repeatedly yeah

Speaker 3 you know our friend justin thoreau sure you know you know when he gets a massage for some weird reason he likes to watch world war ii documentaries what are you talking about that that's not it that's not a bit that's all he does when he gets a massage so he'll put his face in the donut and he'll put his phone down on the floor and he'll just watch tanks and flamethrowers all kinds of carnage where's the relaxing part i You tell me.

Speaker 3 This is a, I don't know. This is a guy that flies, you know, transcontinental topless.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 try to figure him out.

Speaker 2 Does he really?

Speaker 3 Yeah, when he falls asleep on a plane, he can't sleep without his

Speaker 3 shirt on. With his shirt on, he can't sleep.
So if he's sleeping on a plane or wherever he's sleeping, it's got to take his shirt off.

Speaker 1 That's just as gross as somebody putting their bare feet on the seat behind you on a plane.

Speaker 2 Oh, JB,

Speaker 2 you just hit the main vein of JB's disgust.

Speaker 3 What would be worse, walking around a hotel room without socks or shoes on or walking down the aisleway of a plane without

Speaker 1 a plane for sure?

Speaker 3 Yeah, which is a tight second. Because you know, they don't

Speaker 2 recursory clean. They just go, womm, okay.

Speaker 3 They start you out in horror by when you go through the radar thing,

Speaker 3 you take your shoes off and you got to put your socks there on the little foot outline thing where all the hot socks have been from from people all over the world, and your hot, sweaty feet have to go on exactly the same spot their hot, sweaty feet just left.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's a fucking disaster. That's a great title for something.
I love that. You know what? This is so good to hear you working off your long-term memory of what it's like going through an airport.

Speaker 3 And I always try to straddle those little pain-out things, you know, and like I step on the inside or the outside. And like, no, no, no, inside the line, sir.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to be inside. It's like a fucking murder chalk outline, okay? You got to be right inside.

Speaker 1 And I try to saddle it, and then they get mad at you.

Speaker 3 And then I got to put them back in. Then I put those hot socks back in my shoes.
Now the shoes are ruined.

Speaker 2 Why are the shoes ruined? What are you?

Speaker 2 You're eating out of your shoes?

Speaker 2 You're transferring the germs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and now they're dead to me.

Speaker 2 Jason, you know what? You're going to hate.

Speaker 3 What is it?

Speaker 2 The rest of the world. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The rest of the world.

Speaker 3 This is what you get at 7 o'clock at night. I know that.

Speaker 2 Well, you know what else you get at?

Speaker 3 You get them at 7 a.m., too.

Speaker 2 I tell you what else you get at 7 p.m.

Speaker 2 You get yourself a heck of a guest.

Speaker 3 There we go.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit. Will's taking a sip before I get to the next one.

Speaker 2 I took a sip to make sure that I'm queued up. You know what I mean? That I'm all sort of,

Speaker 2 I got a nice moist.

Speaker 3 This guest better be fucking great, Arnett.

Speaker 2 This guest, you know, this guest at 7.20 at night. So this guest.
Okay, well, let me ask you this:

Speaker 2 how's a guest who's won a Writers Guild of America Award or a

Speaker 2 Grammy Award?

Speaker 2 Is this an EGOT? An Independent Spirit Award. Holy shit.
A BAFTA,

Speaker 2 an Academy

Speaker 2 Award.

Speaker 3 Apologize for

Speaker 2 tonight's guest has won all those things. Okay.
So maybe you want to hold your 7 p.m. anger back up.
A little. That was Sean.

Speaker 3 That was Sean's.

Speaker 1 Are they a Tony shy of an Egot?

Speaker 2 You know what? He is. He is a Tony shy.
He's a Tony and an Emmy shy of an Egot. He's been nominated for the Emmy.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he, a few times, I don't know if he's been nominated for a Tony, but I wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 Maybe he'll get get a Webby for this for this guest.

Speaker 2 He might get a Webby. This guy,

Speaker 2 this guy does it all. He's a writer.
He's a director. He's a really funny performer, which I think people know because he's in a bunch of stuff that he directs.

Speaker 2 But I find him to be one of the funniest dudes that I know. He makes me laugh consistently, even though he does some really serious stuff as well.
We don't worry about what he does in the shadows.

Speaker 2 We're just worried about what he did with JoJo Rabbit.

Speaker 2 It's Tyco YTT.

Speaker 3 This is is fully excused.

Speaker 2 Fully excused. Worth the wait.

Speaker 2 Dang it.

Speaker 2 Hang on, Tyka.

Speaker 3 Well done, Will. You're a good idea.

Speaker 2 I mean, very good.

Speaker 2 Very good.

Speaker 2 I had the whole computer screen covered with this flap of paper that you told me to get. That you told me to get.
Yeah, how does it feel now that it's? This is the first reveal of you guys, too.

Speaker 2 Wow, I love the moustache, Will. Hi.
What do you think? It's fantastic. Thanks, buddy.

Speaker 2 Were we prepping for a role this whole time the strike was on?

Speaker 2 I've been prepping.

Speaker 1 Wait, didn't you guys just work together?

Speaker 2 Didn't that movie come out? I think they worked together a couple of days ago. Well, I didn't mention it, but we do have a thank you, Sean, for the promotion because Tyka and

Speaker 2 Searchlight will love this.

Speaker 2 Tyka's next film, Next Goal Wins, is about to be released. I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 Maybe at the time of this, it is released, and it's a great movie, and it was made even better by some of the casting.

Speaker 1 Oh, the trailer looks incredible.

Speaker 2 It does. I can't wait to see it.
Tyka. It looks hysterical.
You know, you said we just had done a movie together. I completely forgot forgot that.
I know.

Speaker 2 I shot this movie so long ago, and it's been a long time. It's a memorable performance, Willie.
I know. Tyke doesn't even remember.

Speaker 3 By the way, it's all that shit on the other room floor.

Speaker 2 That's just

Speaker 2 the good stuff.

Speaker 2 We also did Our Flag Means Death right around that same time together,

Speaker 2 which

Speaker 2 is a series about pirates. It is.

Speaker 3 Right. So just looking at the scoreboard, that's two for Will, zero for Jason,

Speaker 3 zero for Jason.

Speaker 2 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 Don't worry. Listen, maybe when you're lucky, when you work with Taka, he won't remember you having done it either.

Speaker 2 That'd be exciting. Jason, I actually forgot to email you back about that other thing.

Speaker 3 Oh, when I said I couldn't do the soccer movie, give it to Will?

Speaker 2 No, you sent me something. Oh, I wish.

Speaker 3 What did I say? Did I send you something to look at, maybe?

Speaker 2 Yes. Don't be like that.
You know, you sent me something.

Speaker 3 I don't remember things at all.

Speaker 2 Hey, where are you?

Speaker 3 Are you down? Are you?

Speaker 2 I just landed in L.A. That's why it's late, and I appreciate you guys doing this at this hour.
Oh, we appreciate you doing it.

Speaker 2 I just went through that airport experience, and I'm exactly like you, Jason. I don't, I can't stand it.

Speaker 3 Do you still have the dirty socks on right now?

Speaker 2 Get them off straight from the airport. I don't want to.
Go away. Go burn them.
But that thing, and I curl my feet outwards. You know, when you stand on the airport.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The husk.

Speaker 2 Put the pressure on the husk. Hoping to have less surface area touching the ground.

Speaker 3 Will, at what point in the interview can we talk about JoJo Rabbit? Do you have a plan for this? You have a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 We never have a plan. Let's talk about airports.

Speaker 2 So when you talk about airports, let's talk about JoJo Rabbit because if people haven't seen JoJo Rabbit, I urge you to fucking see this unbelievable crazy.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 sorry, I thought that's where you were. It's the film that

Speaker 2 earned Tycha Hurry's Academy Award

Speaker 2 for Best Adapted Screenplay and film in which you play Hitler.

Speaker 2 So funny.

Speaker 3 And take it easy, everybody. He's Jewish.

Speaker 2 Take it easy. Take it easy.
I should have put that on the poster. Don't worry, he's Jewish.
Take it easy should have been on the poster. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But folks, if you haven't seen it, don't be an idiot and wait longer.

Speaker 2 Get there. What was it?

Speaker 3 Help your shoe? Two years?

Speaker 2 Three years. Two years?

Speaker 2 2018? 2019, actually. Yeah.
So Tyco, actually, walk us through that a little bit. I'm curious, because you adapted that from a book.
book.

Speaker 2 What was, how did that go down that you were like, oh man, this has to be a movie? What was that process like for you? My mother read this book called Caging Skies and she pitched it to me.

Speaker 2 She said, You should make this into a movie. And the way she pitched the story to me, I found so funny.
And I thought, this is fantastic.

Speaker 2 And then I read the book, and it was the least funny book I'd read in a long time.

Speaker 2 And there was no imaginary Hitler in it or any of that stuff, but the way that she described what was going on in this world, I thought

Speaker 2 I'll go with her pitch. Anyway, and I added just those other elements to it, like Hitler.

Speaker 3 So what was it? It was a kid going to

Speaker 3 a Hitler youth camp?

Speaker 2 It was about a Hitler, Hitler, yeah, a little kid who wanted to be the best Nazi in the world. Very topical right now.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he tried, and then he got home, he gets home one day and he finds that his mother's hiding a girl in their attic, a Jewish girl in their attic, and he has an absolute meltdown.

Speaker 2 He has no idea what to do about this thing,

Speaker 2 which he imagines is like, you know, he's been taught that they're monsters with horns and devil tails and stuff.

Speaker 3 I mean, for people who haven't seen it, it's just so goddamn good. And

Speaker 3 the plane lands at the end of this thing in a way that is so exciting and elegant and fun.

Speaker 3 And it's just, I don't know how you threaded that needle tonally all the way through the film and then an even narrower one at the end and just drilled it.

Speaker 2 Thanks. It's true.
And

Speaker 2 my question was, so you did play Hitler. Were you always,

Speaker 2 were you always going to play that part? Were you like, I got to do this? Or did that, how did that happen? No,

Speaker 2 I never imagined. I mean, look,

Speaker 2 I'm brown and

Speaker 2 too good looking, some would say. You're very handsome,

Speaker 2 you're very handsome. Secure, but

Speaker 2 we did put put it out to a lot of actors, and I don't even think they got to see the script. I think their agents immediately said that's a hard, no, it's a hard pass on this one.

Speaker 2 This is an easy pass. So, then a few years, and I went and made a few other movies.
I thought, well, no one's going to make this.

Speaker 2 It'll be one of those blacklist scripts that never gets off the blacklist.

Speaker 2 And then Searchlight, who made this soccer film with us, they uh they said to me, We really want to make this film, but only if you play Hitler.

Speaker 3 See, these guys, I mean, consistently through multiple administrations, have been like one of the most courageous, tasteful companies in all of entertainment.

Speaker 3 I can't imagine a bunch of other companies that would have said yes.

Speaker 3 What was the pitch process like when you went in there about like

Speaker 2 you know exactly what it was like?

Speaker 3 Well, but I mean, did you

Speaker 3 have your agent sort of soften the ground a little bit and say,

Speaker 3 He's going to pitch you a Hitler film, but it's not like what you, I mean, was there any warning of it?

Speaker 2 I went in and went through multiple studios and started with,

Speaker 2 okay, it's about a kid growing up in World War II who's in the Hitler youth, and then their eyes would glaze over, you see them fidget uncomfortably in their seat, and I would sort of just trail off from there.

Speaker 2 Because you just know instantly that it's not for them.

Speaker 3 But like from jump, though, the way that you play and introduce Hitler is just like, oh, I'm in.

Speaker 3 We're in great hands. Tonally, this is going, they're not going to ask me to fall in love with Hitler.

Speaker 3 They're not going to, like, I think it was helpful that you didn't look terribly like the classic Hitler.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, I think what helped with not having a big star play that role is it would have overshadowed everything else. The whole story itself would have been the.

Speaker 2 Go see the Tom Cruise Hitler movie. You're right.

Speaker 3 So Tom Cruise passed on it. Well, we've got some news.

Speaker 3 It was just, just so, so great.

Speaker 2 It's so good. And so, so you do that.
I mean, this is like, it's such a,

Speaker 2 yeah, as Jason said, I mean, it's, it's, and it sounds like very sort of highbrow, and it is, but at the same time, it's very accessible, and it's just so, I don't know, there's something really

Speaker 2 and it's playful and it's real, and there's a lot going on, and it really hits you in so many different ways. And I like a film like that where you don't, you can't describe it as.

Speaker 2 It's not really a comedy. It's not really a drama.
It sort of

Speaker 2 treads that little path in between the things and you know i needed to make it you know we've all seen great uh

Speaker 2 holocaust films you know shindler's list and so and i i don't think i could have made one of those very serious uh films and we've seen so many of them and i think if you want to you know get a message across or talk about something like heavy like that you've got to find different ways of telling that story and you know one ways which i think is the most important way of of telling stories like that is using humor and Yeah.

Speaker 3 But you weren't even, but you weren't at, you never asked for a laugh. You were simply just in this

Speaker 3 wonderful kid's perspective. And that just allowed you so much latitude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was just.

Speaker 2 I think I think with also with Hitler, it wasn't really Hitler. It was an imaginary Hitler from the mind of an 11-year-old boy.
So you could only know what an 11-year-old knows.

Speaker 2 That's why he's a buffoon and an idiot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 I love when like Jews tackle that topic. It's just beautiful.
Like Mel Brooks, always.

Speaker 2 You,

Speaker 1 you know, Spielberg, just, I love the dichotomy of

Speaker 1 them telling the story from their point of view, you know, from their artistic point of view.

Speaker 2 You don't want to see a Hitler movie from me. No.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 Not at all. Not with a mustache like that.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 He never got this way.

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Speaker 2 Hey, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 You touched on it, Tycan. It's one of the things I said sort of in my rough intro, but you are such a super hilarious dude just as a person.
And I think that...

Speaker 2 One of your superpowers is using, you always find a way to make everything you you do fun and funny.

Speaker 2 Like even, by the way, even Our Flag Means Death, which is kind of a love story between these two guys, and it's told, and it's, but it's a pirate show, but it's really a comedy.

Speaker 2 But I mean, it's more of a comedy probably than a lot of your other stuff. But you always have such great elements of humor.
And I know that you use it in your real life too.

Speaker 2 And it's one of the things that I like. I'm drawn to other people who can have a sense of humor about A, themselves.

Speaker 2 And B, that no matter what, how serious a subject is,

Speaker 2 that there's always a way to access it through humor, you know, to sort of undercut it. And how important is that to you when you're thinking about making stuff?

Speaker 2 Because you don't get really like

Speaker 2 too earnest, really.

Speaker 2 No, well, coming from New Zealand, we have a very sensitive

Speaker 2 cheese meter, earnest meter. You know, when we see something, we feel like it's a bit cringy, we try and avoid doing it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 i think all the best comedies i've i've ever seen have just had that real mix of light and dark and and that's what life is every day is like you know it's it's full of tragedy and comedy and um that's why i like my films and the things i do to just to have a mix of both those things what were some of those growing up that you loved one of your favorite movies that were inspirations well growing up when i was like i mean the things i loved you know really young were black adder and like you know british tv comedies

Speaker 2 like Faulty Towers and things like that, which were one of my favorite. It was very straight comedies, but they did it really efficiently and really well.

Speaker 2 But I think Strange Love is one of the best

Speaker 2 comedies that's been made. I love The Graduate.

Speaker 1 One of the best comedies I've ever seen is Fight of the Concords, which you were a part of. And I thought when that came out, I was like, well, my life has changed.

Speaker 1 That's the funniest show I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jermaine and Brett are fantastic. And, you know, Jermaine, I write with Still and make stuff with him a lot now.

Speaker 2 Time Bandits were making a TV, we're turning that into a TV show. Yeah.
Oh, you are? That's awesome. I love that.

Speaker 2 We still do a lot of writing together, and he's still, I think, the best writer of all the world.

Speaker 2 How did you, yeah, I wanted to know, how did you and

Speaker 2 Jermaine and

Speaker 2 Brett kind of come to know each other? What was that like? We met in university, and

Speaker 2 Jermaine and I, we were auditioning for like a university kind of end-of-year comedy show thing. And we saw each other in the library, and

Speaker 2 I think instantly took a disliking to each other just the baseline way we looked and then it took about two or three months before we started to get on and

Speaker 2 and yeah then we've been bestmates ever since.

Speaker 3 Fuck. With all of your success

Speaker 3 and artistic accolades and all that stuff, you now I'm sure can

Speaker 3 a pitch like JoJo Rabbit would not be quite as difficult because people trust you. How did you find,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 when you started your career, you had that

Speaker 3 sense of humor that was, you know, in the cheese meter. And in other words,

Speaker 3 you wouldn't go to the extremes to make an audience feel super comfortable, hold anybody's hand like

Speaker 3 this country, Hollywood, a lot of the people in charge will ask you to do.

Speaker 3 They won't really give you the latitude to

Speaker 3 kind of keep the edges.

Speaker 3 How did you get through that period and not just hit fuck it? These people don't get what I've got.

Speaker 2 I did think that all the time and I still do. I think it's so funny here.
You have to explain everything.

Speaker 2 Like everything that gets made. Everything that I'm doing.

Speaker 3 Someone just say, trust me, just let me show you some footage. But they're never let you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, even to the audience, you have to explain everything

Speaker 2 throughout the story, every beat of the way. And

Speaker 2 so, like, there are no surprises. There's no like

Speaker 2 putting, like, trusting. the filmmaker to deliver the story, you know, in their own way.
But I would just come to, I'd make a film in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 I'd come here and show it at Sundance or something and no one would see it. And then studios would say, do you want to do this film?

Speaker 2 And it'd be a, you know, some, I'm not going to say horrible, but you know, like it's like a rom-com or something that wasn't really up my, um, up my alley.

Speaker 2 And then I'd think, nah, I'll go back to New Zealand and make another thing. And I just kept doing that about four or five times until

Speaker 2 finally I did. And then what we're doing in the shadows was really the one that kind of, I think, had more traction

Speaker 2 in the States, even though it was still a kind of small cultish film.

Speaker 3 But was that HBO?

Speaker 2 No, that was a film, and then we turned that into a show. Then Marvel asked me to come in and pitch on Thor.
Yeah, well, you did

Speaker 2 Hunt for the Wilder People in between that? Yeah, Hunt for the Wilder People. And that,

Speaker 2 I don't know how these films did, actually. I don't really remember.

Speaker 2 Are you getting checks? Are you getting a lot of checks in the mail?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 but I was going to say, so then you do, but you do that stuff. You know, it's funny.
We were working

Speaker 2 Flagman's Death, and

Speaker 2 Tyke goes, we have worked together before. And at this point, he had made

Speaker 2 two or three films in New Zealand. Okay, so he was like a legitimate filmmaker.
And like he said, you had, you had opened at Sundance at least twice, I think, and whatever. And he'd done this video.

Speaker 2 Sean, I think Sean's in it too, isn't he? Is Sean in it? Maybe not.

Speaker 2 We did for

Speaker 2 the for like an upfront, like a

Speaker 2 Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Super Bowl for NBC. It was for NBC, and it went through all the shows on NBC.
And it was the Brotherhood of Man like song from that musical, and it cut to all the different shows.

Speaker 1 How to succeed.

Speaker 2 And they did a verse or a couple of lines from the show. And it cut to me and Maya and Christina Applegate and Maya Rudolph and me.

Speaker 2 And Tyke goes, we have worked together. And he shows me.

Speaker 2 That's a stupid video.

Speaker 2 Who else was in that? Who else was in that? Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 I directed.

Speaker 2 I directed Trumpy.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 3 Did you have a set of specifications that you had?

Speaker 2 Yep, there was a list. There was a piece of paper with a list of demands.

Speaker 3 Right, the way that he likes to be lit, the height of the camera.

Speaker 2 Yep, height of the camera, exactly. It had to be a certain height to make him look a little thinner.

Speaker 2 And yet, it almost had, I think it had like a sort of whatever the pantone of orange was that he had to reappear as on screen. Wow.
And

Speaker 2 it was sort of like a

Speaker 2 makeup person who was also

Speaker 2 his ego booster so she would like touch him up and say oh mr trump oh mr trump

Speaker 2 yeah wait was i did we was i in that like were you in that i don't know maybe i don't know if you were in doing the reboot i don't know i don't know if you were in the promo but but i was like but it's so funny so here's taika like fucking like it's not like he discovered talent late in his life like he had it and but he's coming to america and they're offering him rom-coms and he's like no and he'll make a couple bucks doing some video shit for people like for the super bowl And then he fucks off back to New Zealand and to make his like indies and do what he wants.

Speaker 3 What made you think that, you know, Marvel is so incredible at doing, at doing their, their thing? I mean, they've got a product that is just incredible.

Speaker 3 It has made this industry twice as healthy as it's ever been.

Speaker 3 But I think

Speaker 3 one should and does and needs to adhere to a certain

Speaker 3 parameters of like because that audience expects expects certain boxes to be checked what made you think that your incredibly unique perspective on things would be a fit for something that you would probably agree needs to stay inside a certain uh a certain boundary jason that's a wonderful question i thank you close to zero thank you it was a wonderful question yeah thank you i'm glad you asked that thank you will i did you hear all that i didn't know i said it's a wonderful question

Speaker 2 i'm still basking in the glow of the question to be honest i'm still reeling from that question i thought i'd get such a hard hitting

Speaker 2 so late too to be so articulate.

Speaker 1 I have another one.

Speaker 2 Oh god, I didn't even answer that. I was just going to go straight to the next one.

Speaker 2 To watch you suck Marvel's dick for so long was a real treat. I took it all.
Did you see me take it all? You did take it all.

Speaker 3 Yeah, right down to the pubes. Let's get the answer now.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Right down to the shop. Down to the cubes.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Jason watches Kay Porn in his free time.

Speaker 2 Fucking us. What happened to me? You know what? I had no interest in doing one of of those films.
It wasn't on my sort of like my whole plan of like my career as an auteur.

Speaker 2 But I was poor and I just had a second child. And

Speaker 2 I thought, you know what? This would be a great opportunity to feed these children. Or do what my dad did.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. Continue.

Speaker 2 All right, okay. Well, I'm still doing my answer.
Sorry. No, no.

Speaker 3 Go ahead, John.

Speaker 2 Hang on. Hang on.
Okay, so then they called and they said, do you want to do this? And Thor was, let's face it, it was probably like the least popular franchise.

Speaker 2 I had never read Thor comics when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 That was the comic I picked up and thought, oh, we're never

Speaker 2 open.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 I did some research on it, and I read one

Speaker 2 comic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All

Speaker 2 18 pages or however long they are. Sure.

Speaker 2 I was still as baffled by this character.

Speaker 2 And I thought, well, you know, if there's anything I can bring to this. Let's be, when it comes to comics, I mean, red is a stretch.
Okay, go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Looked at. Okay.

Speaker 2 I flipped through, then,

Speaker 2 yeah, that's enough.

Speaker 2 And then pitched myself.

Speaker 2 I thought the only thing that I could bring was that

Speaker 2 it's a character. It's like just looking at Thor as a character.

Speaker 2 He's like a billionaire, lives in space. And,

Speaker 2 you know, he's God, he's just, he looks ridiculous. And that was sort of the end.
I was like, well, let's just highlight that. He's like a rich kid who, and I'd pitched that.

Speaker 2 He's He's a bit like you and me, Jason, that he hates germs. Right.

Speaker 3 And, you know, that didn't scare the shit out of them.

Speaker 2 I think there was no place left to go with that thing. Everyone had that.

Speaker 2 I was like, it felt like I thought, well,

Speaker 2 they called me in. This is really the bottom of the barrel for this.

Speaker 3 But Feige has taken a nice swings. On actually, he has taken great swings.

Speaker 2 I mean, starting with Favreau, right?

Speaker 3 And then, I mean, like, and Kenneth Brana and Chloe Chloe Zhao and

Speaker 2 the Russos. The Russo's.
Like,

Speaker 3 I guess it has been directors that have been outside of the box, but, um, but they know what they're good at, right?

Speaker 2 They're good at keeping everyone in their lane and making sure they don't veer off into, you know, something else that doesn't feel Marvel.

Speaker 2 So they bring people in who are good at story and making great characters and like, you know, bringing something unique and then they'll keep it within the Marvel. Right.

Speaker 3 And you obviously had a great experience because you went back for one.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it is true. Like, I remember we have friends of ours who are doing another,

Speaker 2 one of these, I won't name it, but it's a series of movies that takes place in space.

Speaker 2 And they went off a little bit, I think, veered a little bit off the plan and ended up not working out because they had too many ideas that were outside of the movie. That wasn't Marvel, though.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I didn't say it was Marvel.
I said it's

Speaker 2 a different thing. But it was outside of the playbook a little bit, right? And so it made them nervous because they got got a lot at stake.
Again, it's their property. They got a lot at stake.

Speaker 2 So when they hired you, though, Tyka, I mean, again, no. Well, the fans hated it, by the way.
They hated that I was doing it. They hated Thor? No, the fact that I was

Speaker 2 really their first one. And they're like, who's this guy? He's going to be a little bit more than that.
No, but they fucking ended up loving it.

Speaker 2 My kids who are big Marvel fans, like my son Abel still to this day, when I told him that you were on the show tonight, he was like, wait, he's on the show tonight?

Speaker 2 Because he loves fucking Thor so much.

Speaker 3 He's an idiot, though.

Speaker 2 He's not an idiot. He's a funny fucking kid.
He's not a he's not a f.

Speaker 2 He's not a dullard like you.

Speaker 2 Wait, Tyke.

Speaker 3 You get a compliment of Archie. You got it.

Speaker 1 When you hear that,

Speaker 2 this is the seven o'clock vision. We're getting proud of this.
Baben's 45 minutes past gummy hour. He is not.

Speaker 2 Starting to shake. He's got the fight.
It's not pleasant. Amanda won't let him in.
Amanda's going to text him and say, you take that gummy, and 15 minutes later, you can come in the house.

Speaker 1 She She leaves it on the front step.

Speaker 2 Out on top of the mailbox.

Speaker 1 With the key next to the key.

Speaker 2 Tyka, Tases outside, waiting for it to kick in, and then it's just a scratch going on.

Speaker 2 There's not a bang at the door.

Speaker 1 And she's looking at her watch. She's like

Speaker 1 29, 28, 27.

Speaker 1 Tyka, when you hear that, that fans, like you said, were.

Speaker 2 You made me happy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next question.

Speaker 2 The.

Speaker 2 Almost did a legitimate spit. Okay.

Speaker 1 And then I have to ask about Mandalorian because I'm a massive, massive, massive, massive fan of that series. And so, Scotty, my husband, and

Speaker 1 how did you, how did you get Mandalorian? And how, by the way, and you voiced the droid, right? The IG-11.

Speaker 2 I do it all.

Speaker 2 So, John, so Fabros. What did he voice, Sean? A droid.
The droid IG.

Speaker 3 Sorry, what's the serial number on the droid?

Speaker 2 Yeah, IG-11. IG-11.

Speaker 2 Make sure to have that on the top of your head.

Speaker 2 Fuck it.

Speaker 3 This is how you landed, Scotty.

Speaker 2 I always wonder. Hey, you went to IG 11.

Speaker 2 Your headstone, when you die, your gravestone is just going to be blank. It's just going to be nothing.
Not even a date. No, it'll say sorry.
It'll say, I apologize. Yeah, fucking nothing.

Speaker 3 So, so, John.

Speaker 2 Anyway, so IG11. People walk by.
Oh, that's Sean.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, IG-11. Sean will know it's based on IG-88.
That's correct. Wow.

Speaker 2 Which is something I found out when I did the Mandalorian. Did that floor you as much as it's flooring me?

Speaker 3 Wait, you were about to say Favreau

Speaker 3 picked you up and said...

Speaker 2 He picked me up. He picked me up.
I was standing on call and he picked me up and said, come, okay, kid, come and do an episode of Mandalorian. And I went down.

Speaker 2 This is the first time I'd used that volume thing with the TV screens all in a big circle. And we shot most of the show on that.

Speaker 2 And he said, Come and do this, this thing, and it was great because I didn't have to write it and do anything, just turn up and direct. And it was awesome.
And he was there to help.

Speaker 2 And the first day, I was directing 75 stormtroopers. Oh, wow.
Standing in a big giant stormtrooper battle, which was cool. It's just fucking incredible.
Oh, my God. It is cool.

Speaker 2 By the way, it's good that you had a guy like Favreau. We like, he's a friend of the show, and we like him a lot.
I love that John Favreau. Yeah, same here.
And

Speaker 2 I'm sure he was fucking helpful as shit because he's a cool dude. Yeah.
Tyka, why?

Speaker 1 So, why did you just fly into LA and where were you?

Speaker 2 I went to Scotland

Speaker 2 and I was hanging out in Scotland. And so.

Speaker 1 Just hanging out?

Speaker 2 Airbnb have these special little pop-up places you can stay.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if you've heard about this, but they made Shrek's swamp with Shrek's house, a full replica of Shrek's tree and the house inside it.

Speaker 2 And everything is like exactly like the movie, the bed, the table.

Speaker 2 And Rita is

Speaker 2 a fan, my wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 My ex-girlfriend. So she

Speaker 2 booked us in, and we went and stayed at Shrek's house. Hold on.
Then we drove around Scotland and stuff, and we dressed up.

Speaker 2 She bought costumes. Oh, wow.
Kinky, right? We dressed up as Shrek and Princess Fiona.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 she did some photos and a video. Well, there goes the what do you do in your free time question, I guess.

Speaker 2 Wait a second.

Speaker 2 Jason, the disgust on Jason's face. I just

Speaker 3 can I have 20 minutes of the interview real quick?

Speaker 2 Go ahead.

Speaker 3 So, all right, so you are married to, you were dating her.

Speaker 2 We don't were

Speaker 1 now incredible singer-songwriter.

Speaker 3 Now we're married. And now you're married.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Did you know that she was such a fan of Shrek before you put a ring on her finger?

Speaker 2 No. No, I did not know that.

Speaker 3 So she's a big Shrek fan, such that you went ahead and bought yourself a couple of first-class tickets all the way over to Scotland, and you stayed in a little grass hut or something.

Speaker 2 That was just part of the trip. That was just one fun thing.

Speaker 3 That's fun, I guess.

Speaker 2 And then we drove around Scotland. We went and hang out in the future.
That's so nice.

Speaker 2 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 I guess that's pretty cool. Now, if they had, now, Sean, don't lie.
If they had a place like this Airbnb that was Star Wars-themed, would you take Scotty

Speaker 3 for his birthday surprise? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Without a doubt. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Would you fly all the way to Scotland for it? Do you love him that much? Probably not.

Speaker 2 Would you go to space for it? If it existed in space, you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 Well, space is fast.

Speaker 2 Would you like to go to space, Sean? Absolutely. Don't you? Would you?

Speaker 3 No, honestly.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Now,

Speaker 3 I played golf today with Michael Strahan, who told me that he went up into that Jeff Bezos rocket thing.

Speaker 2 You would do that? Absolutely. Now,

Speaker 2 just.

Speaker 2 Tycha, would you go to space?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'd go to space. For how long?

Speaker 2 Great. Just a couple minutes.
I mean, we got.

Speaker 2 That's just a couple minutes. That Bezos thing is a couple minutes.

Speaker 3 I just don't want to do anything that when I land,

Speaker 3 the euphoria

Speaker 3 is relief because I got away with something. I feel like, you know, I just, I shouldn't be doing things that I get away with anymore.

Speaker 2 Well, that's how we feel about our careers. Yeah, that's true.
Jason's like one of those dogs, you know, they have those collars and they set up the perimeter.

Speaker 2 And the perimeter is the golf club at his house. Okay.
And if he goes any further, it fucking shocks him and it keeps him, you know.

Speaker 1 I would say, but Jay, it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing that you could just experience the view of space and the weightlessness. And like, you can't ever.

Speaker 2 Oh, he loved the weightlessness, Jay. Come on.
That's true.

Speaker 2 Don't do it for the weightlessness.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. You know what? You actually, you end up getting very bloated up there.

Speaker 2 Do you think so? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 I know so. You've seen those shots of the astronauts.

Speaker 2 Your takeaway from the astronauts, from talking to people in space, is they look bloated. A little too bloated.
A little too bloated.

Speaker 3 And the hair all stands up.

Speaker 3 I'm kidding. You know, I lean into all this stuff.
I don't care about the germs. Scotland sounds great with the Shrek thing.
And let's get a parachute on me and get a plane going.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 This is all for bits.

Speaker 2 I would love, it would be great. I was just now thinking about Scotland.
I was thinking about JB in like medieval times.

Speaker 2 People were

Speaker 2 ripping legs off of chickens and stuff at the meal and just biting into it.

Speaker 3 You're not going to wash those hands.

Speaker 2 Damp castle with nobody's hadn't invented socks really yet.

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Speaker 1 I want to know, speaking of all these little things, Tyka, what's it like? Like, you seem, I don't, we don't know each other that well.

Speaker 1 We met once, and it was like such a highlight of, you know, my life meeting you. I'm such a huge fan.
I've seen all your movies. I love JoJo Rabbit.
I've seen it like three times.

Speaker 1 And Tyka has no recollection.

Speaker 2 No, of course not.

Speaker 1 I remember I almost put your jacket on.

Speaker 2 Do you remember that? I remember. I remember.

Speaker 2 It was a a great night. That was a highlight for me as well.
Okay, so know, like, so what, the little bit I know of you, you seem completely relaxed, low-key, chill, like normal, down-to-earth.

Speaker 2 What do you do? He just mentioned he's married, by the way, so just fucking cool it.

Speaker 1 What do you do when you meet a personality that's totally opposite of yours that you have to work with? You're like, oh my God, this guy or this girl is way too much for me. They're not on my level.

Speaker 2 How do you deal with that?

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 say I just bitch about them later.

Speaker 3 And you send all your notes in through the first AD.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then I go home. I have this son of a bitch.
Who believes this guy?

Speaker 2 We all do that. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, actors in particular, just

Speaker 2 hard work. They're just fucking pain in the ass.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. So true.
And then each actor's got a different way of working that you've got to find out because they won't tell you. And you've got to figure it out by watching them.

Speaker 2 And you're like, oh, you're one of them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're one of them.
And then there's all the other ones that are like, oh, let's do an impro taken. Oh, God.
Not for them. Not like that.

Speaker 3 Take a one, one for me now, right?

Speaker 2 One for me. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And those guys who are like, let's talk about this a lot.

Speaker 2 They go, let's do an impro take it. I'm like, fuck it.
All right.

Speaker 1 Like, are you at the point, though, in your career where you're just like, you know, I'm going to handpick the people I want, the actors?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And usually it's, you know, it's just people you trust and your friends.
But what were we going to say, Tech? So you're. How about the improvising? You know,

Speaker 2 do you fucking roll the camera and then they, you know, a lot of actors' idea of improvising with Adelipping is just say the first thing that comes into your head.

Speaker 2 It doesn't have to help the scene at all or anything. They go, yeah, action.
They go, cool, wall.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, fantastic. Well done.
Right. That was the one for you.
Let's move on. Right.

Speaker 2 Or it's just a list of jokes they 100% wrote the night before. Right.
Ian Morris texted me out of the blue today, just so I can get a mention in

Speaker 2 Ian, who co-wrote Next Goal Wins. He's our mutual friend.
And

Speaker 2 so that's...

Speaker 3 Sorry, so

Speaker 3 it's about soccer.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And Willie, what do you play in the film?

Speaker 2 Nothing.

Speaker 2 Tyka asked me last minute to come in and just do a couple days to help out.

Speaker 2 Small little role. Yeah.
But it makes a huge difference. The film is about the worst.

Speaker 2 It's a true story about the worst soccer team in the world, which was the American Samoan soccer team and in the history of the country they'd never won a game or scored a goal wow and I think like in 2001 or something they suffered the biggest international loss which is still the record today which was against Australia and they lost 31 nil Jesus which is let's figure that out what is that a goal every three minutes yeah

Speaker 3 was anybody in the goal was there a goaltender he there was a guy in the goal and he

Speaker 2 I think he was quite traumatized by that.

Speaker 2 And they lost to the Sakaroos, who is not the best soccer team in the world.

Speaker 2 But decent.

Speaker 2 And then they got this coach in, Thomas Rongen.

Speaker 2 I think he might have been the only person who responded to

Speaker 2 the request. He came into the island and got them into shape.
And then they ended up, spoil it, they scored a goal.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
And it was a big

Speaker 2 and that person, the guy playing that part is Michael Fassbender, Fassbender, who is a fantastic dude.

Speaker 2 That man is gifted,

Speaker 2 brilliant actor.

Speaker 2 And it was funny because he's done so many serious,

Speaker 2 really heavy. He's got a new serious movie coming out next soon as well.
He's someone you can improvise. He's very good.
He's a smart dude.

Speaker 3 He's so good in The Killer, too, the Fincher film.

Speaker 2 It was fantastic. I want to see that.
I want to see that too. But anyway,

Speaker 2 and so you have Fastbender in there in a very sort of like comedic role. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 2 And I didn't think it would be, that his role would become his comeda. I thought that, you know, everyone else around him would provide the comedy.

Speaker 2 But he was just, he kept delivering and just gave him more things to do. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was it twisting arms to get him in that film? Because, you know,

Speaker 3 he's much more interested in racing cars right now.

Speaker 2 He's a kind of race car driver. Yeah.
Yeah. He was doing that when I called him up.
He was.

Speaker 3 He had to fit it in in between races?

Speaker 2 Yeah. He said.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm thinking about taking the year off and just racing. He's legit.
He's legit. I said, well, it's in Hawaii.
And he said, I'll be there.

Speaker 2 He's got this love. He's got the, Fastbanners got one of those, like, the more you ask him about what's going on in his life.
the cooler it is. And he's like, yeah, yeah, man.
Wow.

Speaker 2 I'm racing this type of BMW and then I race this kind of thing. And then where's that? Well, we drove, we're in Portugal, and then we drove up to fucking Belgium to do that thing.

Speaker 2 And you're like, what kind of life is this? This is a fucking life I want. This is a real Steve McQueen life.
Yeah, it's a real Steve McQueen life.

Speaker 2 Cool. He's channeled that whole life.
He's stolen that whole life. He raced Le Monde last year.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Fucking A. Tycho, how much time do you spend in New Zealand versus the States?

Speaker 2 Depending on what tax department is after.

Speaker 2 It changes. It changes, of course.

Speaker 2 You should have a certain number of days I can stay in these states.

Speaker 2 And you do the right one for each one of those, for sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have about 14 days left this year in the States. Are you being serious? Come on, really? I'm serious.

Speaker 2 You've time to get it. I've got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
But no,

Speaker 2 I try and spend a lot of time in New Zealand because my kids are there. And

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to come here because I want to see Will.

Speaker 3 Are they going to love this movie? Are they soccer fans?

Speaker 2 They don't. No, no, they don't care about soccer.
New Zealand is not a soccer country, really. No, it's rugby, right? It's rugby.
It's all rugby. Are you a rugby fan? I'm a massive rugby fan.
Really?

Speaker 2 We just went to the World Cup games. I just saw that World Cup and just

Speaker 2 tell you guys.

Speaker 3 How did they do?

Speaker 2 We got to the final and then we lost. Barely lost.
To South Africa.

Speaker 3 To South Africa. You guys are the two powerhouses, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, hang on.

Speaker 2 The Springboks, South Africa barely beat England, let's be honest.

Speaker 2 They were kind of charmed this tournament. Yeah.
And New Zealand had a really good chance

Speaker 2 to win. We had a good chance.
We often, it's always close between those teams.

Speaker 3 Did you ever play rugby as a kid?

Speaker 2 I played rugby up until my sort of late 20s. I mean,

Speaker 3 it really hurts, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 There's no point in it. It hurts still.

Speaker 2 I get up in the morning and sometimes just, you know, an ankle won't work or a knee won't work. All those little injuries you get in your 20s and you bounce back really fast.

Speaker 2 And now it's your body, then your body just punishes you later.

Speaker 3 Some people say that it's safer to tackle in that sport because there's no helmets, you know, so you're actually a little bit more careful.

Speaker 2 Well, you don't tackle with your head.

Speaker 2 Over here, they just sort of just

Speaker 2 dive through the air with their head first.

Speaker 2 Trying to stab people with their bodies.

Speaker 3 Well, when the CTE stories were all about in the last, what, five, ten years or something like that,

Speaker 3 there was a thought that maybe NFL would think about removing the helmets. Really? Yes, so that people would stop using their head as part of the tackle.

Speaker 3 And yeah, all the other pads would still be on. You just have to learn how how to just tackle differently, like the folks that play rugby.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just tackle and you move your head out of the way.

Speaker 1 Are they really less in rugby?

Speaker 2 The CTE interviews? Well, it seems like they have less

Speaker 2 concussion missions. Wow.
That's kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 Because you don't have that false sense of

Speaker 3 safety. Yeah, you protect yourself.
You don't make sure your head doesn't bang into anything.

Speaker 1 That's interesting.

Speaker 2 All right. So, Tyka, hi.

Speaker 2 What about like when you're directing something?

Speaker 2 Each time you talk to me, you say, hi. Hi.

Speaker 2 Because this might be usable for the first part of the interview. Sure, forget.
We're not using this. We make

Speaker 2 everything before this.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. Yeah.
So, Taika.

Speaker 2 Today's guest is Tyke Away, TT. Tyka, welcome.
Hey, Taika. I have a question about your process.

Speaker 1 When you are directing something,

Speaker 1 is there an itch to be in it always? Are you like, oh, God, I'm so glad I'm not in this?

Speaker 2 No, I really love being in it. I love acting.
I think it's fun, but only if it's something that I find fun and

Speaker 2 I've got control over that.

Speaker 3 Do you like the process of directing yourself? The fact that it's you don't you do?

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I like it because it's easier for me to direct people in the scene as well. I can talk straight to them while I'm doing the lines.

Speaker 2 Doing the lines.

Speaker 3 What if you have an actor that's not very pliable with all of that? Like, they get upset that you're talking to them in the middle of the scene, that they want you to wait till after cut.

Speaker 2 You ever had one of those? I'm pretty lucky I haven't worked with people like that. Yeah.
Maybe one or two, but I just sort of tend to

Speaker 2 kind of cut them out of the cool group and then just ignore them and then they go left out and then they either quit or

Speaker 2 just alienate and bully them on set.

Speaker 2 I mean, film sets are like high school.

Speaker 3 Do you have siblings that have cool names like you too?

Speaker 2 Yeah, most people have got cool names. My kids have got really cool names.

Speaker 2 My first daughter, her first name is Takaina or Tehenekahu, which means house or home of the she-hawk. Wow.
Whoa.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And my second daughter, Matewa, the literal translation is Time of the Dead.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.
That's awesome. Be careful what you name your kids.

Speaker 2 Do you know that

Speaker 2 Sean means I like macaroni? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Not a lot of people know that.

Speaker 2 Not a lot of people know that. But you could say

Speaker 3 only if you spell it S-E-A-N. You spell it S-H-A-W-N,

Speaker 3 and we'll tell them what that means.

Speaker 1 That's Jason's imprompt.

Speaker 3 I like setups.

Speaker 2 I don't like punchlines. And you say the

Speaker 2 other part. You say,

Speaker 2 and action. You've got a poem you wrote

Speaker 2 about the situation. About it.
Exactly. Exactly.
Exactly. Tell them.
Tell them what you wrote.

Speaker 2 poem you wrote and then point at the person

Speaker 2 We did this fucking stupid bit for a long time.

Speaker 2 Tyke and I were doing on the on texting each other and he was and we were doing the flag means death and there was this scene where where Rhys Darby Rhys has to walk away and I said something to his character and then Tychan comes up behind me and goes, don't man, let him.

Speaker 2 Let him go, man. Or something like this.
But he said it in this, like, we were laughing because he was doing it on purpose to sound like he was like in an after-school special.

Speaker 2 And he grabbed my arm, like, just let him go, man. And so

Speaker 2 just let him go, Johnny. We'll get him next year.

Speaker 2 And we started laughing so fucking hard, and everybody's like, What are you guys laughing about? And he kept going, Don't worry about it, Johnny. They were never like us.

Speaker 2 We were always outsiders, Johnny.

Speaker 2 The fucking director's like, You guys got to fucking cool it, man. And then we were texting each other these stupid things.
It's fun stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah, it sounds like a good time.

Speaker 2 It does sound like a good time. It's not funny anymore, Johnny.
People got hurt.

Speaker 2 We killed a kid, Johnny.

Speaker 2 It's not a game anymore. People are getting hurt.

Speaker 2 Fuck me. That gets me every time.

Speaker 1 Psycha, listen, this has been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 It's after eight o'clock. It's after eight o'clock.
Everyone's pissed off.

Speaker 2 You just got off a fucking plane.

Speaker 2 No one wanted to do this at this hour. Oh, are you kidding me? This is so wonderful.

Speaker 3 When I saw you, it was all on.

Speaker 2 Sean's like, you're like, you're like, it's 30 minutes past the ice cream Sunday, right? How far are we past?

Speaker 1 You're not, you're joking, but that's exactly what I'm going to do right now.

Speaker 2 I'm not a party.

Speaker 2 What are you going to have?

Speaker 3 What's on your Sunday? What do you do?

Speaker 1 I just put vanilla ice cream chocolate syrup and whipped cream, and I do a whole thing of Hagen-Tas. No cherry.
Because you start doing two scoops, and you're like, well, there's only two scoops left.

Speaker 1 I might as well just finish.

Speaker 1 You do the whole pint. Every single time.

Speaker 3 And let's see the proof of that. Go ahead, stand up, shake the cookie pouch.
Here it comes.

Speaker 2 There it is. Yeah.
Good for you. Hey, you know what I'd say? You're enjoying life.
Yeah. That's exactly right.
We got only five minutes. Tyka, you're a fucking superstar, dude.
Yeah. Love you.

Speaker 2 I love you guys. Thank you so much, man.
Thanks for watching for having me on. Thanks for watching.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you for yeah, exactly.
Thanks for doing it right away. You asked me if I'd do this about three years ago.
I know. I was really happy if I know you did.
Listen for the record.

Speaker 3 I would have recorded this with you at 9 p.m.

Speaker 2 Huh? Yeah. Yeah.
10. 10.

Speaker 2 I can do better. Well, thank you for eventually doing it.
I appreciate it. And I'll see you next week.
Thank you, Tyka. See you next week.
Thanks, guys. Thanks.
Bye, Tyka. Thanks, pal.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 you pulled it out of your hat there, Willie.

Speaker 2 I know. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 That was fantastic. So, wait, now, hang on a second.
That was our first official yawn I think we've ever had.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 you had one during the show that was quiet.

Speaker 3 It was quiet, yeah. But I hide it behind the microphone so the guest doesn't see it or my co-hosts don't see it.
But we heard that one, and so that is

Speaker 2 an evening record right there with the yawn. Well, it's put it this way.
And there's a belch. Good.
Thank you, Sean. It's 11 minutes after 8.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I'll be asleep by 9.15.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'll be asleep by 9.15.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do right now till you go to bed?

Speaker 2 Right now, I'm going to go up. I got to kit the little kids, make sure that they're down, going to sleep.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go in there and see what's going on on MSNBC. Wonderful.

Speaker 2 See if

Speaker 2 you're going to have a Sunday.

Speaker 1 I'm going to make a Sunday and sit on the couch and get fat.

Speaker 3 So listen, Tyco, are you going to watch this old house?

Speaker 1 No, that's Sundays. I watch that Sundays a lot of times.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's Sundays with Sundays.

Speaker 3 You don't have a...

Speaker 2 Do you, do you?

Speaker 2 Oh, it's so good. I know.
Sundays and Sundays.

Speaker 2 Scotty, hey.

Speaker 2 Wait, Tyco.

Speaker 2 What will you watch tonight? Before we get. Well, sorry, yes, let's get into Tyga.

Speaker 2 How great is Tyka? How funny and cool and red is he?

Speaker 1 He seems very hip and cool and like, you know.

Speaker 2 He was hard to get on because he kept like, he was changing. And then he was like, like two years ago, I was like, hey, will you do, like, right when he came out? He was on my list too, yeah.

Speaker 2 And I go,

Speaker 2 come do the podcast. He's like, yeah.
It's like, great. And then like, trying in the schedule.
And then he's always in like England and New Zealand and shooting stuff and whatever.

Speaker 3 Neils just doesn't care in the best way.

Speaker 2 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 3 That sexy indifference, right?

Speaker 2 It's just like, it's like, well, if it happens, it happens.

Speaker 3 If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 I was in Atlanta a few months ago, earlier this year, and I get a text. And I said, listen,

Speaker 2 you or your doppelganger, or it was either you or your doppelganger just walked into a restaurant in Atlanta and went upstairs.

Speaker 2 And then I walked downstairs and there he was on the ground floor with Rita. Where? In Atlanta? In Atlanta.
Just recently? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, no, no, no, a few months ago.

Speaker 2 He's just such a fucking,

Speaker 3 that's when you close the deal for the

Speaker 2 yeah, but that was one of the other times that he was like, yeah, I can't wait to do it. And then she just,

Speaker 1 he's one of those people, too, that kind of created his own style of comedy. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 he doesn't have to, Jay, you said he doesn't ask for it.

Speaker 2 He's created his own

Speaker 2 lane. Yeah, he's created his own lane.
And

Speaker 2 he doesn't,

Speaker 2 you get this, and it's true.

Speaker 2 You get the sense he doesn't really, it's not that he doesn't care about what other people are doing, it's just that he's into what he's doing in a way and he's and he's confident about it.

Speaker 2 He's super smart

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 super funny and self-deprecating and all of those kind of great things.

Speaker 3 But it seems like

Speaker 3 he's more concerned in the best way about making himself proud and making himself laugh than

Speaker 3 other people. And other people's opinions or their ability to get what he's doing doesn't really really guide what he's doing.

Speaker 2 No, he's genuine. He just literally just sent me a text talking.

Speaker 2 He's a sweet, thoughtful person. Seems like it.

Speaker 2 And you know what?

Speaker 2 These days, those kind of people, they're hard to come.

Speaker 2 Bye.

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