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Hey, so right off the bat, I'm not sure if you guys are aware of this.

Listener, you too.

This is the start of our fourth year.

We have completed three years as of yesterday.

Right.

Today is the first episode of our fourth year. So it's our birthday.
Third year birthday. Sorry.
I mean, we look terrible. We look terrible for three years old, but we feel good.
We feel young. And listen, I'm breathing in the fourth.
And we wouldn't be in our fourth year if it wasn't for you guys. Thank you very much for listening and caring and giving a poop about anything we have to say for God's sake thanks for not getting sick of Will and Sean yet I mean it's it's surprising it's surprising that you're still here maybe a little thanks to our team oh yeah oh shit and thanks to our and Bennett wanted me to mention, thanks to the team, you know, who does it, Bennett and Rob and Michael, Bennett Barberkow and Robert Arm-Yarv.
Arm-Yarv. Arm-Yarv.
And Michael Terry, who without them, well, we'd still make it happen. I mean, we would just be bad.

Our wings would not flap as fast.

We would not fly as high.

We just want to be good.

We would do it, but it would suck.

That's certainly true.

They make our lives better.

And I also want to say a shout out

to the woman out there

who commented on one of our posts

and said, Arnett, we'll just shut up.

And just say, you're heard.

Anyway, happy birthday to us. Happy birthday to us and to you guys and all of the smarties out there.
Guys, here we are. And it's a podcast.
Yeah, let's get podcasting. Yeah, exactly.
So how do we get into podcasting?

Do you guys do any stretching or anything, vocal exercises?

Pod, pod, pod, pod, pod.

I'll do the pod, pod, pod, pod.

Yeah, I'll do like a vocal, like red leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather.

Pod, pod, pod, pod, pod.

How about you try, that's interesting.

Oh, I understand.

Yes.

All right, here we go.

It's an all-new Smart Lesson.

What?

Smart Less.

Smart Less.

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Here comes Jay. Here comes Jason.
Uh-oh, everybody be nervous. Everybody be nervous.
What are you wearing? I'm wearing... It looks like a 12-year-old's shirt with a...
What's happening? No, he's playing golf today. Yeah, but with the long sleeve on? And it's going to be warm out, dude.
UV protection. Okay, I'm trying to be smart with the sun.
And I'm also trying to be stylish at the same time. I've got on G4 here.
You can't go wrong with that. I'm a little fashion forward.
Forward towards... Careful.
I know. Just because you can't pull it off.
I wear Foot Joy, which is what I'm entitled. I wear the heritage brands.
And you can't pull that off. You can't pull off a heritage brand.
It's not in your DNA. Hey, you know, speaking of DNA, you know what today is, Jay, you know I talked about it with you last night, but Sean, you're going to be excited.
I've had to have coffee with no cream this morning. Oh.
Wait, now, did you start? What do you mean? Well, I start in a couple hours. Today, my first ever colonoscopy tomorrow.
Oh, so you can't do, I see. Can't eat anything.
Wait, that's tomorrow, so you're doing a cleanse today? Yeah. Are you starving? Yeah, I'm starving.
Chicken broth. I've done this like three, four times.
Why they're making you do it in the middle of the day. Three, four times? Well, I had a situation back when I was 30, I think.
No, I was with you. I was with you.
You were 34. I think you triggered it.
Jason and I were doing a scene from Arrested Velma. We were in a fight scene.
And all of a sudden, he went like white as a sheet. he was just like exhausted I just couldn't go any fight I mean you know Will's a bit you know he's like wrestling a boa you know it's gonna take some energy out of you Sean knows he tried to wrestle me on the lake the frozen lake in Wisconsin on the frozen lake in the diamond oh yeah well and the funny of this fight was supposedly that it just went on and on and on and on.
You know, that was the joke. And so he tired me out.
And we did have to do it for a long time. Yeah, and I was like, I shouldn't be this tired.
I'm not this out of shape. And so I went and saw a doctor and I'm like, oh, you're battling something.
It turned out to be something in my GI. So anyway, they should only have you do this like starting at like 6 p.m.
So you're on the throne for a few hours. You go to bed.
You wake up. And you do your procedure.
But they have two options, right? You could go 5 in the morning or, like, at 9, right? I'm going 5 in the morning. Yeah.
Oh, God. You should be able to eat all day, I think, and then clean out at night.
They claim no. They gave me explicit instructions starting this morning,

do not eat anything, only have bone broth.

I should call Gwyneth and get to her bone broth, actually.

Did you start eliminating it?

I have not.

No, thank you. They also said that they now do the procedure in a big shower room.

They have an operating room that also doubles as a shower.

Is it the Bateman ER? It's the new bateman wing at cedars so you can clean as you go maybe colonoscopies in the shower now everybody's everybody's in a bathing suit it's kind of hot sean have you uh oh yeah no you you are yes you get that famous story about you told them to leave your leave your rear door alone. You said don't touch my asshole right before you went out.
But wait a minute. I talked to a guy yesterday who had 35.
Wow. He sounds like a little bit of a fetish.
What do you mean, 35 what? He's had 35 colonoscopies. That sounds like the masochist in Little Shop of Horrors.
Yeah. Right? Wouldn't Bill Murray play that in the movie? He just keeps going to the dentist because he loves the pain? Yes.
Nice. Remember that? There was an episode of Arrested Development, too.
I know. Everybody's like, stop mentioning Arrested Development.
But where Cross's character became addicted to the side effects of a dragon. Wasn't that? Well, I know he got a hair transplant, and the hair transplant rejected the body instead of the body rejecting the hair transplant so his hair just kept growing more and more and more luxurious and his body was just atrophying but he didn't want to reverse it because the hair was so beautiful so he was willing to die I remember him saying something about he used the word shunt at some point.
Anyway, so, but tomorrow I'm expecting to be like 20 pounds. Yeah, yeah.
I can't remember to do a lot of selfies tomorrow. When that bite comes out of your colon, that'll eliminate about nine pounds.
You're going to be like a great white shark. They're going to cut you open.
There's going to be stuff in there, Willie. License plates.
Do you know how much ice cream they're gonna they're gonna find in there i know me too is that you is that you're well who are we talking to the other night who eats a pint of ice cream every night other than sean uh oh no uh will's jimmy does he eat a pint of ice cream every night a pint of ice cream every night and he's he's a lean man he's? Well, Sean, you're pretty lean, and you eat like you're going to the chair. I do.
I do have ice cream almost every night. Almost every night.
I do, too. I go through phases where I'll have...
But I lose it the next day. Yeah.
You know? We found it. You seem like you found it again.
Well, my cookie pad. If you're looking for it, it's on your face.
Okay, let's get into our guest here. Wow.
Guys, I've really upped my game today in the cool department. This is my guest.
I don't know. I'm not even cool enough to ask him the dumb questions I have.
You've upped your game to the cool department. Got it.
You don't need to ask the dumb questions. By the way, you can just go with the flow.
No, I know, but I've come prepared with some dumb questions. Did you write this intro? That's rare for you.
This must be somebody you have respect for. I did write a little bit of it.
Yes, you write yours. I do, yeah.
Willie just likes to kind of freestyle. Today, guys, we know him as a superhero and Hollywood heartthrob.
His lip sync battle mashup of Gene Kelly and Rihanna is still one of the most talked about and watched celebrity lip syncs of all time. Gwyneth Paltrow famously doesn't remember being in a movie with him.
And before he entered the Marvel Universe, he was performing ballet every night in the West End. It's the infectious, lovable Tom Holland.
Tom Holland. Wow.
Hello, guys. Good morning, Tom.
Tom, can I call you Tommy? Of course you can. Tommy, you've been on my list for like two years, and I've been trying to get you to come on the show.
This is so exciting for me. You almost said a year, and then you doubled it.
Yeah, I know. I almost said a year, and then I remembered.
It's been like two years. Wait, now, Tom, you're a golfer.
I'm mad into golf. What do you think about this beautiful G4 shirt I've done on here? It's pink.
Stop saying G4. Well, it's a great company.
I want to give them some props. I'm not sure about the underlayer.
Yeah, but there's sun out here in Los Angeles. Let him talk.
I tell you what, actually, Jason, my brother Harry, we were shooting a movie in Atlanta, I think, probably at the same time. He was at the Bobby Jones driving range and saw saw you there we were gonna go play golf i think and he said to me i said did you say hello and he said no he's nursing a pretty intense slice right now i didn't feel like it was the right time to go i would have struck him with my butt with my club yeah just ripping slices off the team tom i heard that by the way uh uh great to meet you, man.
And I heard from a mutual friend that we have, actually, that you are a great golfer. And he claims that you're like a two.
Can you confirm that? I'm not a two. No, I'm a four.
Oh, yeah. But I played this weekend.
I just went up to the state to play golf to get away from the city and enjoy some golf. I was one over the front nine with like some serious golf being played and 13 over the back nine.
Completely capitulated. Well, it's because you're working too much.
You need to be a less good actor and you won't get hired as much. You know what they say? They say if you're shooting over 80, you have no business playing golf.
And if you shoot under 80, you have no business.

So. Let me ask you

something. I don't know anything you're talking

about. What would my number be?

130, probably.

Yeah, probably.

I bet you, a guy who probably

has never played before, you get

a triple bogey on every hole. So that's

three times 18 is

what, 56? 56

on top is, yeah, about 130.

And you're a four, Tom?

Thank you. like a triple bogey on every hole.
So that's three times 18 is what, 56? 56 on top is, yeah, that's about 130. And you're a four, Tom? 54.
I'm a four, but I'm a loose four, you know. I couldn't consider myself to be a true four.
I just had some lessons. I haven't had lessons.
I'm a loose 130. How did you get so good at golf? You're so young, doesn't it? It takes a lifetime to become a four, doesn't it? I think I just played as a kid.
My dad was really into it. It's the thing I've always done with my dad that we bonded over, that I've always had a lot of fun.
And then I gave up for a long time when I just thought it was boring as a kid. I just couldn't get into it.
And then I was on set of Spider-Man 2, and I was outside. I ended up speaking to one of the chippies on set who was building some sort of spaceship or something.
And he ended up playing golf. We were shooting at a golf course.
We all ended up going out playing golf. And we all became best friends.
I have a collection of like 10 people. If I'm back in London, I play every single day.
Yeah, wow. And they're all, I mean, they're like plus one, plus two, like proper, proper golfers.ers so I'm constantly chasing them but I had some lessons the other day with this guy who's fantastic and I know that what he's saying will ultimately make me a better player but right now I'm fucked like literally I'm missing both ways fattening it thinning it missing putts it's tough out there right now.
Yeah, yeah. I feel you.

Well, you're hitting all the stuff I wanted to talk about.

All your questions are gone, I guess, now.

Oh, I thought you were going to say something like,

well, you're hitting it out of the park with your career, Mr. Holland.

Let me talk to you about... Well, that would have been better.

By the way, happy belated birthday.

Thank you.

June 1st.

June 1st.

June 1st, yeah.

How old does that make you?

27, mate.

27.

Good for you.

Thank you. June 1st.
June 1st. June 1st, yeah.
How old does that make you? 27, mate. 27.
Good for you. It's such a young birthday.
Do you guys remember, what were you doing at 27, Willie? Well, I wasn't crushing it. I'll tell you that much.
Sean? I got Will and Grace at 27. Did you really? There you go.
Nice. There you go.
27 years old. I loved Will and Grace.
I was always watching that. My mom and I when I was a kid.
Fuck me, that was glorious. Yes, it was.
God bless you. I thought you were too young to know what that was.
No, absolutely not. I love that show.
You were born in Kingston upon Thames. Is that how you say it? Or Thames.
Thames, yeah. Thames.
The River Thames, yeah. I'm an idiot.
West London, right? Correct. And you still live there? I do, yes.
And who's in your house? In my house is me, my two brothers. Two of my best friends live with me.
Wait a minute. I went to drama school with.
We have the most timid version of what a frat house would be. We're all obsessed with golf.
We get early nights and we're on the tea early in the morning. Can I move in? I know this is our dream come true.
I actually have spare space, please. I'm living with somebody that has a deep allergy to golf and it's not great for my game.
I'm just picturing Jason living with all of you 20-somethings and there's a 54-year-old living with 27-year-olds. Keep it down out there.
Do you have room for a really grumpy, hungry 54-year-old? Oh, I know my salads won't get eaten in the fridge. That's true.
Those will be safe. So hang on.
It's your two brothers and two friends that are in the house with you? Yeah, so it's me, Sam, Harry, and then Harrison and Twain. And we're all in there together.

That sounds so good. You know, it's a pretty harmonious experience.

Everyone kind of does their bit.

We look after the house.

Someone cooks.

My brother Sam actually, thankfully, is a professional chef.

Yeah.

Wow.

Which is a touch.

Like, you come home and he's practicing and doing what he does best.

And you get gourmet food every night.

Does he cook for you every night?

Every night.

Yeah, it's glorious.

So he's rent-free then, right?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely rent-free.
And how much do you want to bet there's a big TV in the house? There's a glorious TV. I just actually put in a little drop-down screen for movies and we play poker, put the golf on and sit down.
It's a vibe, man. Well, that's what I was doing at 27.
I'm moving out of here. Listen, if you're ever in London and you want to play some poker and watch the golf on a Sunday night, this Masters weekend, past weekend, one of the best weekends of my life.
Yeah. Tom, keep it going.
Be 27 when you're 27. Thank you.
Just knock it out of the park. Good for you.
Yeah. So you're the oldest of four boys, Tom, right? Yes.
And your parents were both artists. Tell me about like growing up and like with your mom.
Like what did your mom and dad do? So my mom's a, she was a photographer and sort of like a lifestyle photographer. Like she'd take families out to the park and take pictures of them and do that sort of stuff.
Nice. My dad's a stand-up and he has been since he was 21, I think.
Come on. Does he still do it? Oh yeah.
Yeah, he's still gigging all the time and really he's a pleasure like he's hilarious i can't bring anyone over to my house without him absolutely just ripping them a new one and uh you know as a young kid i have to like prepare my friends like just so you know my dad's a stand-up especially when i was young i didn't understand what it was i was like he fucking goes out and tells jokes at night or something. I don't know what it is that he does, but he's going to take the piss.
And you guys basically provide him material, right? 100%. Does all the family stuff work into his sets? Yeah, there's a few things.
I've been to see him like a handful of times when he'll allow us to go and see him. And I don't know if he like plays up to it that we're in the audience or or if he you know if that's what he's like all the time but it's pretty ruthless bless my poor mom my mom has got the thickest skin of anyone i've ever met in my life because the shit that he comes out with i mean he did a he did a um he did a charity gig for my school once so all my mom's best friends are there there.
All my kids, all of my school friends are there. All the school teachers are there.
And the shit that he was coming out about my mom. It's a terrible idea.
But the thing is, is she finds it hilarious. She's sitting there laughing.
She gets the last laugh. And she's an amazing lady, my mom.
Jason does some stand-up. He's got one joke.
It's great. Oh, which one? Oh, God.
The only one you tell. Please, please don't.
No. Guy walks into a proctor.
Oh, God. It's the worst.
I don't know how to tell it, but it's funny. Just trust me, Tom, all right? So, and all your brother, everybody's in the biz.
Well, sort of. I mean.
Except for the chef. Except for the chef.
He's a caterer. On-set caterer.
On-set caterer, we could get him in there. Trap him in the cage that they keep those poor people in.
But everybody works as actors, no? Paddy's an actor, the younger one's an actor, but he's too young to really say he's an actor. He's like still at school, still enjoying himself.
He is lucky enough to be working in the summer and enjoys it. I don't think it's what he feels 100% that he wants to do.
Yeah. But he, and he's really good at it.
He's super, super talented, and he's very natural. My younger brother, Harry, who's here with me in New York right now, he's a young, aspiring filmmaker.
He has his first short premiering tomorrow at Tribeca, which is super exciting. Oh, nice.
Amazing. Congratulations, Harry.
That's great. Yeah, thank you.
That's really cool. We'll be right back.
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All right, back to the show. Does your dad, like, does he hang out with other comics? Were there other comics around the house growing up? Did you spend time with, are those his mates? I remember like as kids, like going to barbecues and stuff and being aware of the comic scene and like knowing them as dad's work friends and just thinking like, wow, dad has like the strangest group of friends.
Like they are really sad people, man. Like I thought you were supposed to fucking make people laugh.
And my dad is like, my dad is a very happy-go-lucky, you know, positive guy. I feel like my dad's a giver.
He comes into a room and he gives a great energy and fuck, some of his friends come in and you're like, wow, what happened to that guy? You know, and then you see him on TV and you're like, he's hilarious. I think he's fantastic.
It's a tricky one. Is his brand of humor, my mother's British, and so I got kind of like a dry appreciation for dry humor.
Is he dry like that or is your humor dry like that? He's dry. I'd say I'm pretty dry too.
He lets the material do the talking. Like he's not a performative comedian.
Like he really trusts his material and he relies on the joke and he knows it's funny. So he doesn't add to it.
Everything is very kind of one note. But I like that sort of thing.
It means the material has to be better. And are you drawn towards comedy stuff? Do you want to start banging out a bunch of comedies and do that kind of thing or what? I've always, always, always wanted to do a comedy.
And it wasn't too long ago I was doing, I was in Brazil, and I did this show for, I think it was Spider-Man 2 or Spider-Man 1. There was like 7,000 people in the audience.
And I was on stage for an hour with a confair who was like asking me questions and stuff. And it was the greatest experience of my life because I felt like a rock star.
Like everything I said, everyone would fucking laugh. So I called my dad and was like, dad, dad, I just did like an hour on stage.
And like I fucking ripped the shit out of it. Like, let's do this.
Like help me write some comedy. And he just hung up.
He was like, yeah, happened in time. Really? But yeah, I'm not bold enough to step on stage and do what he does, but I'd love to do a comedy one day.
Who are some of the actors that make you laugh? Are you like a Will Ferrell fan like me and those folks? Or do you like comedy that comes a little bit more from uh actors that

are doing a character as opposed to um being being broader i guess will does will does really

deep characters that are like he i love will stuff yeah i love his his ability to improv the stuff that you do is my favorite without a shadow of a doubt well but i'm not being funny funny like arnett or farrell or folks that really know how to get people i'm the guy you turn to

you is my favorite without a shadow of a doubt. Well, but I'm not being funny, funny like Arnett or Farrell or folks that really know how to get people.
I'm the guy you turn to sort of like the guy who's not laughing. Yeah, but that's funny, though.
I like that. It's that dry humor.
It's similar. Right, right.
Yeah, I love it, too. I fucking love that line you do when you said, when you're like driving in a Prius or something.
Is it in Horrible Bosses? Oh, right, yeah. He's like, you were drag racing in a Prius? I don't win a lot.
I like that. I should make a better choice.
Tom, one of the things I think is super cool is that you're a straight guy who took ballet lessons. Like, I think that's, you know, not that straight guys can't or just gay guys do or whatever, but it's like, you know what I mean? It's just, it's refreshing to see you tackle that.
And was nine years old? Was that what it was? Yeah, I was training for this show on the West End at the time called Billy Elliot. Yeah.
And I went to like a very traditional rugby school. I was a pretty good rugby player as a kid, and then everyone just grew, and I stayed the smallest kid even today.
I couldn't compete in the under-12s league. I'd be too small.
So you're taking some injuries. Yeah.
And I just, I remember like getting bullied at school and trying to convince people like, guys, there's me and 30 girls in tights on a daily basis. I'm telling you, like, rugby is not where this is at.
Like, come join me. But I could never convince anyone.
But I loved ballet. For me, as an actor, like, especially doing things like Spider-Man that are so physical.
Yeah, it comes in handy. It's been such a great resource to rely on.
And that said, I've lost every ounce of flexibility. But you're obviously a big, and you mentioned that you play rugby, and that you like sports, you like golf.
I saw you waving the checkered flag at Monaco last week. Yes, that was crazy.
It's great going to those races, isn't it? Dude, like one of the best weekends I've ever had. I took all my brothers, I took some friends.
And until you've been there and like seen it for real. And hearing it.
And hearing it. And you feel it, right? I mean, it's insane.
Like you can feel your ribcage. Especially there too.
All those engine noises going through all those buildings, through those corridors. It's just echoing.
And also like at the end of the day, like qualifying is done. They open the track.
You can walk from restaurant to restaurant via the track and see the tire marks across the floor. It's unlike, I love sport.
I'm obsessed. I'll watch anything that's on telly.
Yeah, are you a big football fan? Like a soccer fan? Yeah. Yeah, I'm a Tottenham fan, regrettably.
Are you? Yeah, it's tough, man. Man, this is a tough spell you guys are going through.
I mean, you've got that new manager, but still, it's a tough time to be a Spurs fan. Wait, didn't Gareth play for Tottenham, Willie? He sure did, yeah.
You talking about Gareth Bale? Yeah, we played golf with Gareth a bunch. He's a good golfer, I heard.
Really good guy. He's a two, yeah.
You would love him. He's such a nice guy.
He's got a really pretty swing, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. Willie, are you into your soccer? Do you sport a team? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who's your team? I'm a Liverpool supporter. He lives for it.
Okay. Yeah, I'm a massive, massive supporter.
I watch. I was at World Cup.
I mean, I'm a massive fan. Oh, wow.
How did you come to Liverpool? My partner, my writing partner, not just to clarify, Chappie. Yeah, no, we know you're straight.
Hey, man. No, no, no.
I'm just, I would do ballet too, by the way. I have no problem.
Come on, let's do it. I would.
I would. Mark Chappell, the great Chappie, whom these guys know, is a liberal.
Once an episode. He lives in London, but he's a big Liverpool sport, and he got me into Liverpool.
Okay. And I was saying the other day, like, I wasn't really as aware of it.

I mean, I love any sport.

Jason's the same.

I'll watch anything.

Totally.

And then got into soccer, you know, football like 12 years ago.

And once I got into it and got deeper into it, I just, I'm a massive hockey fan growing

up in Canada.

And then football has now surpassed hockey, I think.

I just, I can't get enough of it, man.

Do you guys know all the chants?

You know, I think it's so cool that there's, I wish we had chants.

Thank you. and then football has now surpassed hockey, I think.
I just, I can't get enough of it, man. Do you guys know all the chants? You know, I think it's so cool that there's, I wish we had chants in baseball, you know? Some of the chants, like I remember going to see a basketball game in New York and people were like, dude, you're not going to believe the atmosphere.
Like it's going to blow your socks off. And then you get there and it's like, let's get louder.
And I'm like, shut up. Let's come up with something better than this.
Wait, Jay, they have that organ. On charge.
That's it. It's a one-word chant.
The chants in football in Europe and in England, in the Premier League, not only are they so good, some of them are so clever and hilarious. And they just sound haunting as they go through the crowds.
It's terrifying. And you go to some of these places, you go to Versailles, you go to Marseille, you go to Germany, Dortmund, and see these teams, like the way they rally together and how song just like explodes out of people somehow in unison.
I don't understand how it happens. It's terrifying.
That's a true home field advantage. It really is.
The first professional football match I went to was in Madrid for Atletico Madrid at their old stadium. And I was not, and it was a Sunday night game.
I remember like sort of eight o'clock and I was not prepared for the chance and the feeling in the crowd. Nobody sat the entire match.
Everybody was standing and it was electric. Just even if you weren't a fan of the sport, as a human being, it was an experience.
Are you still watching rugby? I like rugby. I mean, I love rugby.
I love the sport. I think it's amazing.
I don't love rugby culture. Right.
Rugby culture is so much about, like, how much can you drink? Let's all get as drunk as possible. And I don't drink, so I'm a little bit, like, out of that world.
Right, right. Do you ever see Australian rules?

Aussie rules is crazy.

Yeah.

It's sort of a hybrid of soccer and rugby. It's good.

Have you ever been to one of those matches down there?

It's amazing.

I haven't.

It's somewhat like, have you ever seen Gaelic football?

Oh, yeah.

Gaelic football is, I guess, like, the Irish equivalent to Aussie rules.

But another sport you should check out, I think it's called hurling.

Yeah, hurling.

And they have, like, a hockey stick,

but the end of the whole

Thank you. Irish equivalent to Aussie rules but another sport you should check out I think it's called hurling yeah hurling and they have like a hockey stick but the end of the hockey stick is slightly wider right they have I think it's a wooden ball and they basically like flick it up and they catch it on it and they they they're bloody they're bruised like it's brutal get hurt it's sort of like it's it's Paul it's pol horses, right? Exactly.
That's exactly what it is. Sounds like Quidditch.
Quidditch? Anyway. Oh, Sean.
Hey, guys. Hey, guys.
Hey, Sean. Where'd you go? Quick shout-out from the nerd department.
Hey, guys. It reminds me a lot of Quidditch.
According to the rules. Hey, Tom, with all of this, what was your first, how did you start, what was your first thing as an actor, like, your first thing where you're like, I gotta, I wanna be an actor, I wanna do this, I wanna be in a play, I wanna, like, what was your? Apparently, I used to love this one Janet Jackson song when I was a kid.
Which one? I live for her. Oh, boy.
I don't know what it is, but apparently my mom posted it for my birthday, a video of me as a kid dancing to it, and apparently Janet Jackson actually reposted it. Like, was it like Rhythm Nation or something like that? I don't know.
I could find it. But anyway, my mom just...
I was one of her backup dancers. Really? Yeah.
Will and Grace. He went the picture of the hands, that wasn't you? No.
Sean and I had a dance-off on an episode of Will and Grace once. With Janet Jackson.
With Janet Jackson. Jason came to the taping.
Yeah. Yeah, you got to Google that, Tom.
It's life-changing. I'm going to look that up.
Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay, so wait.
So you were into Janet. I would do like these hip-hop glasses on a Saturday.
And I got spotted by this headmaster of this school to audition for Billy Elliot. They started training me and doing ballet and all that sort of stuff.
I ended up auditioning for this show because I thought it would be fun. I enjoyed the process of auditioning.
I got the gig. I got an agent through the gig.
My parents were like, well, I mean, there's no harm in having an agent. They sent me one screen test, self-tape for a film.
I did it. I was like 12, and I got the part, and it was this film called The Impossible with Andy Watts, which was about the tsunami.
It's another one of your questions, Sean, I'm sure. It was, yes.
And then I just— Good for you, Tom. You get the picture now.
You're getting it. Welcome to our life.
And then I just never stopped doing it. I just kind of, I guess I reached that age where I was maybe 16, 17.
I was like, I can either keep my head down and like stick with school and try and figure out what I would do if I'm going to go and get any sort of... Or keep making millions and crushing ass, right? It's a tough choice.
Tom, it sounds like from a young age, you had very naturally what Jason likes to call

sexy indifference. We'll be right back

after these moments.

I love that he's like,

I just didn't care, and I just thought, yeah, I got this part,

and then I got this movie, and then look what happens.

Meanwhile, Sean is

begging, he's that casting director, his door

is a flop,

begging. He's got a new headshot, don't know if you've seen it.

Make a cross. Under the door here.

Slide it under their door. Just so he could make a

Thank you. Begging, he's that casting director, his door is a flop.
He's got a new headshot, don't know if you've seen it. Make a cross.
Under the door here. Slide it under their door.
Just so he could make a cross in a fucking, in a Hawaiian punch commercial, you know what I mean? Like just anything, please. My payment was free product.
Tom, when did you start perfecting your American accent? Because it's just, it's flawless. It's very good.
And is it hard? I've asked this before. Is American accent hard to do? I think as a Brit, we're so, like, surrounded by American culture.
We watch your shows. We watch your films.
We listen to your music. It's a big part of our lives back home.
By the way, same. We watch, we're infatuated with the Brits.
Right, but we don't understand all the class differences of the British accent. Right.
I do. But yeah, I don't know.
Somebody was on, I can't remember who we had on, they said one of the hardest words to say with an American accent, being a Brit, is murderer. Murderer.
Murderer. Oh, that was good.
You just did it. Yeah, that's not easy.
Murderer. Murderer.
Oh shit. I find L's difficult to say.
Can say can you say arnold palmer arnold palmer see that's hard l is hard arnold palmer um yeah now do you get do you get it would be hard for me to do an accent as an actor because i would be thinking more about the pronunciation uh instead of the performance is that a hard thing for you to separate for me, with accents, I like it because it's like an immediate different side to yourself. I think the jobs where I've struggled the most is where I'm doing it in my own accent.
Oh, really? It doesn't feel like enough of a departure from who I am. You have trouble leaving Tom.
Yeah, and I don't know. My dad's a comic, so he's always grown up doing accents.
It's something he's really good at. We grew up with him doing it always around the dinner table.
So I love doing accents. Now it sounds like you have a very...
But what about you? Have you done it? Have you tried a British accent? I mean, a bit here and there, yeah. Let's hear it, Jay.
I wouldn't, no. Yeah, no, let's hear it.
It's going to be great. You don't want it right now? I mean, I would do it.
If I got cast in a part, I would definitely, I wouldn't shy away from the part. But I do think there is something to focus on.
Will, you say you've got your hands around the class differences and all the different English accents. Yeah, I understand.
Yeah, I could hear Tom's accent, which is, and I figured you were sort of like Eastern Northeast London. Uh, am I right about that? Southwest London, but really that Southwest? I have a bit of a weird accent.
I don't really sound like where I'm from. I sound like the people I'm surround myself with.
Most of my mates are all fucking Cockney blind. Yeah.
That's why you have a little like that. Yeah.
You have a little bit of that. Like just get the job done.
Do the job. Yeah, right.
I try, yeah. I've lost the sort of posh twang I grew up with.
Yeah, my name's Ron. My father's telling me how I should and shouldn't speak, darling.
My name's Ron. I'm a placer.
He's Rod. He's a plumber.
Right. We follow the spurs.
That's not bad at all. Yeah, thank you.
And also, because I'm spurs as well, you'd think I'm North London. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you say, well, the people you surround yourself with, it does sound like you keep a very normal circle around you and that that's not a struggle for you. You seem like a very, very normal guy.
Is it something that you battle with, all of this sort of fame and fortune and permissive people around you? Is it tough for you to keep your head on your shoulders or has it come easy? I don't think so. I think my parents did a good job of, you know, keeping us in check, especially later on.
You know, I think I've seen lots of friends where you become successful and all of a sudden, like, your parents rely on you to, you know, bring in the bread or keep the family going and stuff like that. And I've been really lucky that my parents have never done that.

They've always been my parents.

It's still, you know, I listen to my dad.

If he's got something he wants to say, he won't shy away from it.

And then my friends, they're all golf lads.

They're all my golf mates.

All we do is play golf.

There's no way of getting into trouble on the golf course.

I snapped my seven iron the other day, which is kind of the extent of my bad behavior in life.

I felt like breaking a club the other day, and I was like, what's going on with me?

It would feel so good to break this right now.

And the thing that was even worse is I pured it.

I absolutely, like, I played a little buttery cut.

Like, I was like, I really need this to land soft.

And I hit the car path, and it just, boom.

And I just, over the back of my head, I was like, pow.

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So, Tom, when you were in the impossible, how old were you in that? I think I was just turning 14. Did you understand, like, the weight or the gravity of being in, like, a big movie like that? Or did you not even think about it? I actually think my youth was a real uh it was great for me because i was so naive i just looked at those experiences like some sort of summer camp yeah it's only now that i'm a little bit older that i'm starting to really understand like the responsibility of being in a big film or a big show um i had my tv show come out right right right, yes.
Right. And so what's the show? Tell us about this show.
The show is an anthology series called The Crowded Room. It's sort of my first kind of step.
Akiva Goldsman, right? Oh, yeah. Akiva Goldsman.
He's a buddy of ours. What a great guy.
Love him so much. Yeah, we like Akiva.
Honestly, like working with him was a dream come true. Like it's my first real producing, and he really took me under his wing and kind of explained to me the do's and the don'ts of how to do it properly.
Yeah, he's just the sweetest, smartest, most experienced guy. I just can't say enough about him.
He's so sweet. How old were you when you went from, when you got Captain America Civil War? Because that was the first one, right? Where you played Spider-Man.
Yeah, it was like 10 days after my 18th birthday. Wait, so that was before you did Spider-Man was? Yeah.
Okay. Which was actually really great because it was somewhat like my audition for the general public.
Ah. Like I got cast.
There wasn't the greatest public feeling about me being cast. And then Civil War happened.
And for me, it felt like my opportunity to, like, showcase what I could do in the character without having to take the weight of a standalone film. So I had three scenes in that movie.
Why do you say it wasn't received well? Like the heavy-duty fans were just... I don't know.
I tried not to read into it that much. It just, I guess I wasn't the top pick.
I don't know how, but the list of the final six people got out. And I definitely was at the bottom of the list.
So I think being cast was like a bit of a shock to the system. But then when Civil War came out and people were really happy with it and they really enjoyed my performance and thought it was really, you know, it was unique and different, there was a big turnaround.
So I was lucky to have Civil War. I bet the great Amy Pascal came in with her great taste and said, you know what, no, Tom is our guy.
I love Amy Pascal. She's my mom, my mom away from home.
What was the first experience like meeting all the other Avengers actors? Like, were you starstruck?

What was that like coming in the first day at work?

I think it's that interesting thing where it's,

you just realize that everyone's actors wearing crazy costumes,

sitting in the same set chairs, eating the same Atlanta food, you know?

It was obviously really amazing, and I was 18, a huge fan of those shows,

so it was super exciting. I think Downey really does a good job of setting the tone.
Oh, he does a good job. Of how people should behave.
He's on time. He's professional.
He knows his lines. He knows everyone's name.
He's respectful. Would you agree with me on this? And the guys might, too.
Downey's the funniest motherfucker around. Yeah, he's so.
Right? I mean, how fucking funny is Downey? I love him. He's the most frustrating scene partner out there.
Oh, I can't imagine. I've never come across anyone like him.
You sit down, you get sent the pages, I write stuff, I try and come up with something funny, I'm trying to bring my flavor to, you know, sometimes pretty stale stuff, and you spit out your joke on set, you think that's gonna land. That's so good.
And he just uses your joke to set up his joke that's come fresh off the dome. And you're like, fuck, man.
That's so irritating. I love that.
He is the best. Didn't he come in on a helicopter or something? Yeah, he did.
It was six of us, six kids that were auditioning. It's the weirdest kind of meeting I've ever had.
Like, we're all sitting down, having lunch, and, like, eyeing each other up. And I'm like, I could probably take you lot physically.
I don't know, like, how we could go in an acting thing. And then Downey, yeah, he flew over us in his helicopter.
He landed on the helipad next door to the stage. He drove over.
That's not helpful. You're already nervous.
And then here comes your scene partner in a helicopter. I know.
I'm such a hopeless optimist though. Like as soon as I saw the helicopter, I was like, I'm getting this part and I'm flying away with him after the audition.
I genuinely was like, that's how the day's gonna go. The audition went so well.
I thought it was great. Didn't hear anything for like seven weeks.
What? And you know, at that point you sort of go you let it go i didn't get it yeah called me back for a second audition i did a screen test with chris evans which was like a a fight test and you know i have a gymnastics background so i was like i'm fucking going above and beyond i'm doing every flip side flip back flip whatever i can do to get this. I went home, heard nothing for like another four or five weeks.
And then I was scrolling through Instagram and Marvel had posted a picture of Spider-Man and said like, if you want to find out who the next Spider-Man is, go to our website. So I went to their website.
And you're like, I want to know who the next Spider-Man is. I was like, yeah.
But the thing is, I was like, it's obviously not me because they'd have more respect than just putting it online. They would call you.
I went online. I read the headline.
It said my name. I remember like shutting my computer and being like, this isn't, this can't be real.
And this was also right around the time that Sony had been hacked. So I was like, there's something going on here.
This isn't right. No way.
And then an hour later, I got a call from the studio. I got a call from Sony.
I got a call from my agents. Like, this is, we don't know how this has been leaked, but we've cast you.
Good luck. Like, we're really excited.
But it was on the Marvel website? Yeah. So I think they just tried to get ahead of the leak and make the announcement.
And then I, in every interview, basically said, that's how I found out. So that didn't work out for them.
But yeah, it was crazy. Was your level of excitement, must have been through the roof, obviously, but did you, was your anticipation of what was to come accurate with what you now have lived? Like, did you see exactly what was coming or has it been better been better or worse it's been it's been so much better i couldn't i could not have anticipated it being as fun as it was and and how rewarding it's been you know i think there's a stigma with those types of films yeah but i'll bet a lot of that's your fault and you know you probably have just really enjoyed it you've been a great leader you've you've've had fun with it.
And you've created a great environment for yourself and everybody else. And that yields a lot of good stuff afterwards, right? Well, thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I think so.
And I read, isn't it true that you've been a Spider-Man fan since you were a kid, right? Oh, mate. Like, my mom has got countless costumes that have never been washed of when i was like a four-year-old kid refusing to take it off you know bouncing off of the bunk beds and stuff like that i was obsessed and there's actually an interview of me when i was maybe 15 on a red carpet and someone said like if you could play any superhero who would you play this is like seven years before it happened or maybe not as long as that and i said I'd love to play spider-man after andrew garfield like that would be my dream and it fucking came true that's crazy craziest day of my life i couldn't believe it and now you've gone on you've done some really cool dramatic stuff in addition to that as well that must be nice to kind of construct your your year or a few years by you know sort of weaving in stuff that is very is very different from it and working with your folks to get all that stuff squared away.
Is that your goal, is to try to find a real balance with all that stuff? It's not necessarily something I particularly think about. I just...
Yeah, man, not everybody's a psycho. Thinking about braiding everything in, you know what I mean? I think the crowded room for me, like, yeah, it's a challenge and it's different.
I think meeting Akiva, you know, you know what he's like. He is an amazing guy.
I think the show has an amazing message that's really important. And I just felt, I don't know, I felt compelled to kind of jump into it and accept the challenge and see how it goes.
I love that. And I don't know.
I don't really know what I'm going to do next. I have taken the year off.
I haven't worked at all this year. I've just been at home, honestly, just playing golf every day.
You deserve it. And now you have such a massive following, just huge.
I mean, and do you feel, this sounds like a cheesy question, but I really mean it, do you feel pressure or any kind of responsibility to be kind of like a role model? Not that you asked for that, but it kind of just happened? Or do you just go, that's not me, I didn't ask for it, and don't look at me as a role model, I'm just an actor? Or do you embrace it? I'll tell you something that really does stress me out, is that I am so severely dyslexic that when i post on instagram for something i have to get like three people to proof read what i've written oh wow it like really really stresses me out because it goes out to a lot of people and you don't look like an idiot right you know like my post no i guess i i understand the responsibility i'm lucky that i have someone like zendaya in my life It's interesting being in a romantic relationship with someone that is in the same boat as you. Yeah.
You know, you can share your experiences and all that sort of stuff, and that's worth its weight in gold. Yeah, for sure.
I wonder, because now you've done so many big movies and massive, like, press junkets, and I remember speaking of, we started the interview saying you're 27 years old. was 27 and that's when i first was like i have to do how many interviews and go where and what and it's like all of that um press and the hours of the press junkets and which is an art in and of itself by the way but what about the first time you saw the amount of press required of you was that what was that like and do you like doing because you're really good at it thanks i i yeah i just always try and like smile and wave and never let them know how you really feeling you know like you're on your 60th interview of the day and someone comes in and they're like what side of the bed do you sleep on and it's like what fuck off why do you want to know that leave me alone yeah i mean it's it's a bit of a minefield too right because you you do so much of it and i'll bet you probably want to change your answer a little bit here and there just to keep yourself entertained but then you might get into something that's a little bit spicier than you even mean to say and then now they've got a headline and that's the thing that happened to me the other day.
So I gave up drinking of January of last year.

And by the way, congrats on your sobriety

and congrats on speaking so publicly about it.

And it helps lots and lots of people.

Yeah, good for you.

That's great, bud.

Thank you, yeah.

So I gave up for a multitude of reasons,

but really just because I wanted to take a break.

And in taking that break, it was the hardest thing I'd ever done

and was like, oh, maybe I should look at this a little bit more seriously and elongate the break. Eventually, I took it to my birthday, June 1st, and by the time I'd done six months, I felt so amazing that I was like, I don't think I'll ever drink ever again.
Wow. But I did an interview the other day for like an hour where I spoke about giving up drinking.
And then about 45 minutes later, I told a joke about having a meltdown on set and wanting to cut my hair off. Because my hair was so crazy for this show.
And the headline of the article was, Tom Holland gave up drinking after having a meltdown on set. And it's like, that's not even remotely true.
I know, it's so dumb. Yeah.
It's really tough. It's tricky.
You got to pick and choose. Well, don't ever cut your hair.
You got good hair. Yeah, you do.
Thank you. Not like this bullshit.
My dad, the other day, Jason was saying, my dad said, he said, Jason Bateman, he's definitely got a syrup, isn't he? And a syrup in England means a wig. Because a syrup and fig, wig.
And I said, no, I don't think so, dad. I think that's just his hair.
And my dad's obviously bitter because my dad's best to lose his hair. And he was like, that Jason Bateman, he's definitely wearing a syrup.
I said, no, dad, I genuinely think that's just his hair. Yeah, no, plus Jason never colors his hair, which is astounding.
He doesn't have a gray hair on him. Yeah, people think it's either plugs or it's color or both and it's just not.
It's luck. It's just all you've got luck.
It's got to be thinned out. Tom Holland, we've taken up way too much time.
You're awesome. It's so nice to meet you.
You're the greatest. I've been such a fan for so long.

And it's like you emit exactly what,

you are exactly who I would hope you'd be,

just like the coolest, grounded, nicest guy.

That's exactly what we've heard.

Keep it up, buddy.

Thanks, guys.

I'm a huge fan of the show.

My brother and I, we're always listening to you guys,

so it's an honor for me to be here.

And we should play some golf. And Sean, you should come.
I'll watch. Come on, Sean.
You know what, though? Count me in for the poker. I love poker.
Okay, done. If you're in London, we have a poker game the first weekend of every month.
If you fancy it, it's a lot of fun. I'm going to hit you up, Tom, when I come to England and we're going to play.
100%. And we'll go watch a football game.
Yeah, fantastic. Thank you, Tommy.
I get to now call you. Absolutely.
Thank you, buddy. Have a great rest of the day.
Thanks, pal. I appreciate it.
Thank you, guys. Bye, buddy.
Bye-bye. How nice.
Yeah. What a great guy.
I said it at the end there. He's so wonderful.
I didn't know that about his drinking. That's great.
Good for him. Yeah, yeah.
I wonder if that's tough with all the living in a and basically a frat house i i wonder if they're all not drinking too that's that could be tough i'm always kind of um astounded too when somebody like him who's so young and got such um such big massive things happen for him in his career when he's so young they always carry themselves so confidently and like you know not to repeat the jason bateman thing over and over again but the sexy indifference like that they always have this like um swagger that's like yeah i'm good if we do it i'm good if we don't right like this like and and and it's it's a confidence thing that i never had at that age it's i don't know how and and many people, you had it too, Jay, when you were younger too. They all have this thing where, I don't know, how they learn that or where they get that from.
Well, mine was, I bought mine and should have been renting it because it went away for me. And it was an uncomfortable correction when I had know, I had some quiet times.

Yeah.

And it was like, oh, I don't feel so confident anymore.

I'm no longer indifferent.

I really want it back.

And it hurt my ability to even get it back because now I'm walking into auditions desperate, you know, and really wanting something. And, you know, you start squeezing the puppy and it starts to choke out.
Yeah. I squeeze the puppy and sometimes it chokes out.
Uh-oh. Oh, gosh.
Okay. Tom Holland was so great.
So great having him on. Love that Tom Holland.
I love him too. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but he's a great kid.
Great kid. You know what I mean? Well, because he looks, he wouldn't, I think he knows it.
I use that with people who are my age. He looks healthy.
No, I'm just kidding. He looks like, you know, he looks thin.
You know, it might be, maybe he should have a sandwich or maybe just order a nice, big, juicy rib eye. Bye.
Rib eye. Happy birthday, Spartacus.
Happy birthday, Spartacus. Happy birthday, Spartacus.
Happy birthday, Spartacus. Happy birthday, Spartacus.
Happy birthday, Spartacus. Happy birthday.
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