"Pedro Pascal"

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Speaker 1 Okay, we're really, really late. We got to start the show.

Speaker 1 I want to get right into it. But I really want to tell you something

Speaker 1 about myself that not a lot of people know.

Speaker 1 But I know you're waiting. I know you're waiting.
We got we should probably get to the show. It's like it's gonna start like any second and hour, and I can't wait to see who the guest is.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's mine or theirs. I don't know because I'm shooting it.
I'm looking in the mirror right now, you guys, and I look amazing. I look incredible.
I'm wearing a baseball hat.

Speaker 1 I'm wearing glasses. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Okay.
We'll get right to it. Get right to it.
Get right to it. Get right to it.
Get right to it. Welcome to Smartless.
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Speaker 1 Will mentioned that he was going to try a couple of new characters today. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did he talk about some new characters? Is that what he was saying? Make sure they aren't offensive

Speaker 1 accents, please. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, this guy's defending you.

Speaker 1 That's sort of stereotypical what? You don't know anything about that guy's story. You don't know anything about that guy's story.
I don't know about him. Tell us about him.

Speaker 1 I, sorry, he.

Speaker 1 I'm so in.

Speaker 1 I love talking about my work as an actor and how I got there.

Speaker 1 Well, this is a great segue because let me talk to you. Let me tell you what I want to talk about.
Yeah, I agree. It is what I want to talk about, too.

Speaker 1 Listener, Will and I are fresh off the boat from New York. And

Speaker 1 we do travel by water. We don't like to fly.
No, Sean, you'll be quiet. Sean, you will be quiet.
You'll be quiet.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we're back from New New York and we went and saw Sean's play. We had the pleasure.
The Belasco, sorry, the Belasco. We had the honor of seeing Sean in Good Night Oscar at the Belasco.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you about garbage.

Speaker 1 You can smell it from a mile away, but when you actually

Speaker 1 see it. Yeah, trash.
When you look at trash.

Speaker 1 It'll pile up. It does.
And usually the flies give it away. Yeah, the flies are a little bit more.
I used to date that all the time. Sean.

Speaker 1 Sean is such a mega.

Speaker 1 If you're anywhere near New York City, listener,

Speaker 1 do your eyes and ears a favor and your heart, quite frankly, and your tear ducts and your laugh

Speaker 1 machine. And go see Goodnight Oscar.
Sean, Will and I said it immediately after the standing ovation. No, no, Sean turned around.

Speaker 1 Sean, Jason was sitting directly in front of me and he turned around and Jason looks at me and he says, Sean's ruined the podcast.

Speaker 1 He's ruined the podcast. We can no longer...
Who are we going to make fun of now?

Speaker 1 Who can we disrespect? Well, get ready. I have.

Speaker 1 And he said, How is Sean he goes and does this every night? And I said, Not every night. Yeah, not every night.
They couldn't make that deal. No, but honestly, in all seriousness.

Speaker 1 Tuesdays and Tuesday, most people on Barbara, they take one night off. No, Sean is not a nice one.
I knew Sean was talented. I think we all know Sean is talented.

Speaker 1 But when you see him play this character that takes pure acting skill,

Speaker 1 and then he plays the piano, I knew he was classically trained, but then to see him play seven minutes of Rhapsody in Blue unaccompanied on a big-ass Steinway in the middle of a Broadway stage and bring the entire audience to their feet with wet faces from the crescendo of this play with him playing this piano really does play it.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just, and this character that he played, I mean, Sean, I'm really, really, really knocked out. Truly.
Thank you. Thank you.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 The most magical night I've ever had in the theater. And I know what a weird sentence that is, but

Speaker 1 it's true. It's very sweet.
Well, you've had a few magical nights behind some theaters, but let's. Behind the theater.
Not talking about sitting in the chairs. But in the theater.

Speaker 1 And we, we,

Speaker 1 that's the theater. That's the theater that's right off Van Euy's.

Speaker 1 Anyway, that's a different story. We'll save that for a different podcast.

Speaker 1 But, Sean, truly. And Jason, you and I were not alone in that.
Everybody in that theater felt it. It was palpable.
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 All of our friends who are there, all of whom are actors

Speaker 1 and everybody's going like this character that he created, an unbelievable character. But what about the star wattage that Sean can cram into not just our dumbasses?

Speaker 1 Steven Spielberg is sitting there, and he's a part investor in the play. He believes in it so much.
And boy, was he feeling smart at the end of it?

Speaker 1 It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 And our buddy Frank Marshall was there. He was just beside himself, also one of the producers of the play.
And then just saying, I mean, I mean, everybody, it was unbelievable, Sean.

Speaker 1 It was incredible. Marty Short, this is my favorite.
So I see, so Marty and Andrea. Martin were sitting in front of you, Jay.
And

Speaker 1 so we go to the after party and we're walking over to the table where we're all sitting. And I go by Marty.
And Marty's at the bar, and there are probably 40 people between him and me.

Speaker 1 And he looks and he catches my eye, and across everybody, he shouts, Why don't you have talent like that?

Speaker 1 Wait, another, another great line, though, that Will, Will came up to me at the party afterwards. And the first thing Will, Arnett, says to me, he goes, hey, I had to get up during the piano part.

Speaker 1 How did it go?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And then you wake up to a nomination from the Outer Critics Circle.

Speaker 1 You guys are so nice.

Speaker 1 Buckle up. Sean, we love you.
We love you. We love you, bro.

Speaker 1 We were.

Speaker 1 Now, let me just say something.

Speaker 1 It meant the world that you guys took the time and effort to come out to see me and support me. I love you guys.
You're my brothers. We always talk about it.
But you just made my night.

Speaker 1 I would have done it every night of the week if we had to. Thanks.
That's all the time we have, I think. Okay,

Speaker 1 listener.

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take that bye back. Okay.

Speaker 1 I can't wait. This is so exciting.
This is so exciting. Okay.
I'm going to nerd out, guys. Okay.

Speaker 1 So, William Shaw.

Speaker 1 It's Chewbacca.

Speaker 1 Well, close.

Speaker 1 Our guest today, I'm so glad we got him here. I wasn't sure he'd be available because, as they say, he's hot, hot, hot right now in the Hollywood.
That's triple hot.

Speaker 1 He really is all anyone talks about right now. At age 11, he was a Texas state swimming champion before throwing in the towel.
Don't worry, he still had his speedo on.

Speaker 1 And heading to the Golden State and then pursuing an acting career.

Speaker 1 He's become quite the staple in American culture in the last few years, being in the forefront of some major movie and television franchises. The internet refers to him as the ultimate daddy.

Speaker 1 But probably most importantly, he did a reading with me of Good Night Oscar only a few years ago. Oh, my God.
Please welcome my pal, Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal.
No way. No way.
Pedro. Hello.

Speaker 1 Good morning.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is a good guy.

Speaker 1 Here we go. You can just pull over, turn your car off, and

Speaker 1 enjoy this. No, no, keep it on.
It keeps going through the speakers. Pedro Pascal.
Oh, my gosh. No, no, no.
Harasma on this guy. Nope.
Can't do it. Putting the curtain back on.
No, he can't do it.

Speaker 1 Oh, he had to bail. Oh, no.
Where'd he go? No, he had to bail. He's just bailing.
He's getting a call. Where are you, Pedro, right now?

Speaker 1 Where am I? I'm in Los Angeles. Oh, you are? Okay, good.
City of Angeles.

Speaker 1 In your house? It looks like an empty interrogation room.

Speaker 1 I'm in an empty interrogation room. City of Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Can I move the camera around to even

Speaker 1 look even sure?

Speaker 1 There really is absolutely no character. Wow, you're really in an empty room.
I've been abducted.

Speaker 1 No. But they let you do a podcast.
They're fans,

Speaker 1 but they're fans of your podcast. Wow, that's good.
Now, let me say something. It's true I'm into daddies.
You've seen Scotty, but I'm not hitting you.

Speaker 1 I'm just celebrating how cool it is that the internet has collectively referred to you as our daddy, and you embrace it. I've seen you in interviews and stuff.
Like, you kind of like that.

Speaker 1 It's kind of cool. And look, you got the scruff going on.
You wear the glasses. I just want people to like me.
Well, still. Just keep talking.

Speaker 1 This is what the kids call. You've got what the kids call Riz.

Speaker 1 Do we know what Riz is? No, yeah. No, what's Riz? Charasma.
Okay.

Speaker 1 My kids would say they call it W. Riz.
Got that W Riz. Wild Charasma.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about Craig Mason when we get to it.

Speaker 1 We're not talking about Craig Mason. The Amazon Mason.
I want to continue talking about Goodnight Oscar. We have to, just a little bit.
You have to invite me. No, we have to.
It's because you've got.

Speaker 1 The opening was

Speaker 1 recently? It was.

Speaker 1 And this is a.

Speaker 1 And the production is directed by lisa peterson right correct that's correct incredibly well directed i did a staged reading for lisa peterson 23 years ago wow at the taber that's where i met her um it was part of the

Speaker 1 i i can't remember what the label of the uh theater festival festival new works sort of uh season that it was and i um nothing i just i we're old That's my point. That's move on.
Lisa's amazing.

Speaker 1 Did you like her then? I loved her. It was amazing.
I was desperate to get, you know, a

Speaker 1 job in

Speaker 1 professional theater, no matter where I was, whether it was Los Angeles or New York. Did that one end up going to stage? It did not.
If it did, it did not go with me.

Speaker 1 Did you, so, so, Pedro, did you, you're, you're from Texas, which I did not know. You started, did you start, were you doing theater in Texas No.

Speaker 1 No. So I was born in Chile.
Yeah, in Santiago, Chile. Yeah.
And I have to say this. Let's not brag about the research, Sean.
No, no, but I want to say this to you.

Speaker 1 En la escuela secondo secundaria en la clas de español me llamaba Santiago porque otro chico el egio Juan.

Speaker 1 Pero que vien, Sean. Estoy Santiago, perdona.
Do you know how to speak Spanish, Sean? Quiero.

Speaker 1 I said in Spanish class in high school, my name was Santiago because it's some other kid picked Juan, which is Sean.

Speaker 1 Will, this is a great opportunity for you to do on your character, launch the Spanish character you're working on. Well, I would like to, but my character is from Bolivia, sadly, so he's not still.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's really

Speaker 1 very close by, but

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 That's better than the arbitrary Latino accents I have

Speaker 1 shared with Doc.

Speaker 1 By the way, Pedro, I do want to give lessons.

Speaker 1 Sean, Jason, you can can go, but I do want, now that we're in South America and we're talking about this, Pedro, I am, I got to know you, not personally, but like a lot of people from watching Narcos.

Speaker 1 I thought you were so fucking great in Narcos. I loved, I loved Narcos, and you were so great in it.

Speaker 1 And it was like, I'm sure it was one of those things you've been working for years and then everybody's like, hey, look at, look at this guy.

Speaker 1 And you're like, hey, man, I've been around for a long time. Right.
Was that kind of how that happened? I've been filled with talent for years.

Speaker 1 Narcos was a really lucky job.

Speaker 1 And I think it came on the coattails of the big fight of Oberyn Martell in the mountain and Game of Thrones and the people over at Netflix realizing that I wasn't living past that episode. And then

Speaker 1 spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert. Sorry, everybody.
From 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 See, I'm not a Game of Thrones fan, so I didn't, I've never watched it. It's not that you're not a fan.
You just haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 It was a splashy guest role of the season, sort of at the height of the game's popularity at the game. The games.

Speaker 1 Good God. It's early for me.

Speaker 1 Not only are we not going to cut that, we're going to double that one. Keep going.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that was really the first thing that

Speaker 1 that was the first time I experienced sort of a larger exposure in relation to work in a big way.

Speaker 1 And that I would say. And you met David Benny off, and your life's never been the same.

Speaker 1 Exactly. We've all been touched by him.

Speaker 1 It completely started there for me as far as consistent work. And

Speaker 1 so because of Game of Thrones, I got Narcos. And then

Speaker 1 it was amazing. We shot the entire thing in Colombia.
It was six to seven months a season. And they would have one, it was sort of like

Speaker 1 it was so location-based, you know, which is...

Speaker 1 Part of the reason I think the show worked as well as it did because the physical landscape of the show was kind of its secret weapon in that where we were shooting was kind of the main character of the show more than these larger-than-life real dangerous human beings in dangerous circumstances.

Speaker 1 What was that like working in Colombia? You know, I'm a soft guy and all I'm thinking about is humidity and I'm smelling a little bit of mildew on the wardrobe.

Speaker 1 Were we in the jungle and was it tough to get dry?

Speaker 1 Sometimes we were in the jungle. The base of production was in Bogotá and Bogotá is 9,000 feet.
Right.

Speaker 1 And so I'm thinking the Krispy snacks at Crafty were chewy, right? And so it was tough to get a good crunch out of the chips. You could never.

Speaker 1 No, no, it was dry. It was, it was, it wasn't, it wasn't humid up in Bogota.
Bogota is like

Speaker 1 four seasons in a day and humidity isn't part of it. It's kind of, it gets dry, sunny, rainy,

Speaker 1 windy, cold. It's generally...
It's like Jason's personality, like kind of from Monday to Friday. It's kind of cold, but manic.
But manic, but sometimes beautiful.

Speaker 1 Hostile, but beautiful. And the cocaine is always just around the corner.
Yeah, exactly. Careful.

Speaker 1 Jay, I mean, and Jay, what was, and Jay, really what he wants to know is nice hotel and how close is the private airport. You know what I mean? And if he's got that down, then he's happy.

Speaker 1 It's only prop planes going in and out of those high up. You guys would love Columbia and not for the reasons you think.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's the best. It's the best.
It's the best. I would love to go.
I would love it. I like the yellow soccer soccer uniforms.
It's all I'm into.

Speaker 1 You would like the beaches and the mountains and the people.

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Speaker 1 I think it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 I want these guys to hear this because when I was reading about you, about your parents, the political asylum that they had to seek when you were a kid and the going around to Denmark.

Speaker 1 And then like... By the way, before you get into this, I want to ask these guys, Pedro, and you know this, but we're going to expose these guys.
Do you guys know who the dictator was in Chile, who was

Speaker 1 ostensibly just a puppet of the American without looking it up? Paul Dunger. No.

Speaker 1 Darn the sner. Pinochet.
Anyway, keep going. That's all right.
Go ahead, Sean.

Speaker 1 I'm just exposing them, Pedro. No, I mean, if you.
He said enough vowels and consonants that you can kind of manipulate in the edit that he said Pinochet.

Speaker 1 How do you get it all in your head, Will?

Speaker 1 Will? Yes. How do you get it all in your head? How is he so smart, Sean? Because I don't think about anything else because my brain,

Speaker 1 I have very little, I have no street smarts. Pinochet so your parents fled so you guys fled as because they were in opposition to Pinochet yes is that true yes no it's a lie

Speaker 1 uh oh no but you know sometimes they build you sometimes stuff on your Wikipedia gets kind of blown out of proportion what what what was the deal there

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 then I want to know how much you paid for your name because it's the best name in Hollywood well he's gonna get to that because his last name was different right he had to change it here yes I was born I was born Jose Pedro Balmaceda Pascal

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my parents, they were just very young when they had

Speaker 1 my sister and myself. My sister's two and a half years older than me.
And

Speaker 1 there was a cousin of my mother's that was very, very involved in the opposition movement against the military regime.

Speaker 1 Its proximity to our family, I wouldn't say that my parents were revolutionaries by any stretch of the imagination, but they were very young.

Speaker 1 No, they were young, liberal college students and

Speaker 1 ties from my mom's side

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 close ties to the opposition movement, just in terms of family. It was a first cousin of my mother's.
And my dad was doing his residency at the University Hospital at La Católica, it's called.

Speaker 1 And so there was a...

Speaker 1 a gunfight that my parents were not involved in,

Speaker 1 but somebody was wounded and they brought him to my parents' house so that my father could help tend the wound, hide them for a while.

Speaker 1 The person that brought them to our house, and you know, I was four months old at the time,

Speaker 1 he was taken into custody and tortured and gave names, and then they came looking for my parents. Wow, way.
And so then my parents had to go into hiding for about six months, as it's been told to me.

Speaker 1 And they,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 like some sort of

Speaker 1 political thriller

Speaker 1 from the early 80s, they found a way to,

Speaker 1 they saw that

Speaker 1 these,

Speaker 1 there was a change of guard at the Venezuelan embassy where

Speaker 1 one guy got off the bus, the same bus that the other guy would get on to to switch places. And so there was this window where they could get in there, you know, climb over the wall, like physically,

Speaker 1 physically climb over the wall and then land on

Speaker 1 the other side of the wall

Speaker 1 and demand

Speaker 1 asylum. And it worked.
Wow. One time, Jason, you told, Jason told me,

Speaker 1 when you were a kid, one time you went to the guard and you didn't have the right pass at Warner's. And you had to go to the gate four instead of gate one.
Is that true?

Speaker 1 And I thought about going over the wall, but I was wondering if you were to go to the bottom.

Speaker 1 You had to park in the main lot, and you had to end up walking over to the stage instead of going through gate one. I heard about it, I jumped on the back of a golf cart.

Speaker 1 That's how Jason got his first job. It was

Speaker 1 just not dissimilar in the cart, and then the pass was didn't match up. And then I dropped my headshot.
I had to double back for my headshot, and then the golf cart ran over it.

Speaker 1 Pedro, you know, I remember one of the reasons I know some of this stuff, when I was in 1981, and these guys know I'm good on dates, the movie Missing came out with Sissy Space, Space, Jack Lemon, and John Che was in it as well.

Speaker 1 He's the guy who goes missing. And my mom took me to see it in the theater.
I was probably too young, my mom.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 but I was probably too young, but she took me anyway, and it had such an impact on me to see how other people were living and really in a real way.

Speaker 1 So it's always... I've always, I haven't paid attention necessarily, but I always knew that that was the reality in that part of the world, especially at that time.

Speaker 1 And it occurs to me as you're telling this, and you're so good at telling this story, and you're such a,

Speaker 1 you do have that riz. You're very charismatic.
Has it ever occurred to you?

Speaker 1 Have you ever thought about sort of writing a story based on that? Or do it? No.

Speaker 1 Can we write it and would you do it?

Speaker 1 It's really fascinating. I mean, it is fascinating, man.
It's what an unbelievable story.

Speaker 1 It's totally unbelievable. I saw Missing myself when I was a kid.
It

Speaker 1 had such an imprint in my

Speaker 1 brain when I saw it because of how closely I could relate it to my parents' experience in this. Did you ever stone direct that? No, it was Costa Gravas.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 my mom was like

Speaker 1 little and beautiful, like Sissy Spacecraft, you know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I remember, I think about this now in my middle age, that how strange it is to to

Speaker 1 get information in that way through cinema and relate it to an ex

Speaker 1 a kind of immediate experience of my parents that they aren't sharing with me not that not that it was not that it was this big secret or anything like that but they just um we just didn't talk about it really have you been back there since yeah yeah yeah i've been back my whole life they ended up on a list of pardoned exiles when i was eight years old Oh, great.

Speaker 1 And so at that point, my older sister and I, we had already gotten sent back on our own, you know, the late 70s, early 80s, four-year-olds traveling by themselves, you know, in the custody of like a stewardess.

Speaker 1 And but when I was eight, it was like a huge family reunion because there were very large families on both sides that were left behind. And ever since then, we'd go back

Speaker 1 my whole life. My younger siblings who were born in the States were actually raised in Chile.

Speaker 1 So the

Speaker 1 strange circumstance of having been born there, never living there, going there my whole life, it never being home, but it being home. And it's just been this ever-present of.

Speaker 1 Do you have a place there now that you go back?

Speaker 1 I don't have a place there, but both my siblings and my father do. Yeah.
Wow. But a couple other movies you mentioned that were kind of a big, like shifting gears here.

Speaker 1 Peggy Sue Got Married and Raising Arizona, you said were like huge. And then also your mom wouldn't let you see a certain movie, I think.
My dad. My mom didn't care.
My mom didn't give a shit.

Speaker 1 My dad was really against me seeing the breakfast club. Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He took me to go see First Blood,

Speaker 1 The Big Chill. Sure.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 anything that he was interested in seeing, frankly, it didn't matter if it was rated R or not.

Speaker 1 sean's in the breakfast club and the lunch club and the snack club and the beer club and the lane we're back all the sequels

Speaker 1 uh but yeah i wasn't allowed to i wasn't allowed to see the breakfast club because wow because it was just because it was what sent a bad message it was like yeah it was like kids complaining about their parents like you know watching that that's hysterical i want i have a thousand questions if you would like to hear one okay by the way i guarantee you you don't have a fucking thousand okay one I do.

Speaker 1 So you, when you went to, so you came to

Speaker 1 California, your parent, your dad moved you, or your mom and dad both came here? We all came to Orange County in

Speaker 1 86, 87. And then you went to, and then things happened.
You went to New York,

Speaker 1 NYU. I went to, yeah.
And then at 18, I went to New York. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
And you were terrible at waiting tables. I was.
I really was. I was a bad waiter.
And what restaurant do you remember?

Speaker 1 I have to remember. There's so many.
Are you guys,

Speaker 1 this is the 90s. I started, so I lived in New York in the 90s.
I worked at,

Speaker 1 where's the first place? I started it sort of as a coffee barista person in places that

Speaker 1 definitely don't exist anymore. And then I got a job at Flamingo East.
Do you remember Flamingo East on 2nd Avenue? Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was a place on 7th and 2nd called Virage. I got a job at Time Cafe.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 Got fired from

Speaker 1 Fez Bar. Yes.

Speaker 1 All of these sound like dancing clubs. And then I moved up to Flamingo East had a had a party.
They had different, they had an upstairs space and they would throw parties up there.

Speaker 1 And every once in a while I got to bartend that. And then I remember Fred Armison had his birthday once at Flamingo East, like 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And then it almost had like a living room. There was like a little back room and stuff.
Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah.
It was this beautiful space. And they fired me.

Speaker 1 What did you do that was so bad in each of these spots? Yeah, because

Speaker 1 I read that you got fired over 10 times from different places. In some instances,

Speaker 1 well, one, I wasn't very good. Yeah.
And what about your work was not good?

Speaker 1 I didn't have

Speaker 1 the talent to

Speaker 1 I don't know be yeah, you know, it does I think it really does take talent to

Speaker 1 know how to deal with any kind of customer. More so than the customers is to deal with management, to be honest with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And to kind of service the system of which you are a part of in terms of that environment. And I wasn't smart enough to kind of, you know, keep myself safe.
and perceived as a reliable

Speaker 1 I was like I was always on time and stuff like that, but they didn't like me enough to keep me if I needed to cover my shift again because I was going to go to Buffalo and shoot a Xerox industrial commercial and get stuck there, you know, because the assets.

Speaker 1 That sounds like somebody who's got, had like a major drug problem just covering, you know what I mean? Just going like, they didn't have the, dude, put up.

Speaker 1 And then he tried to tell us he was going to do a Xerox. My inconsistency with the showing up of the thing.

Speaker 1 By the way, all right, so you're bad at waiting tables. No, I was really innocent.
I really was. I was just stupid.

Speaker 1 No, you weren't stupid. I don't believe that for a second.
But, you know, Pedro, you know that Jason's never, because he grew up in show business, this is a true story.

Speaker 1 He's never had one of those kinds of jobs. And I think that you kind of wished.
You've always wanted to. Had, yeah.
I've

Speaker 1 always fantasized about waiting tables and bartending. True.

Speaker 1 And I always offer you, every time I have a catering gig over here at the house, when I'm having people over, I would say, Jason, come on over. Yeah.
You know, we'll be on the bus.

Speaker 1 And then I end up doing it.

Speaker 1 You know, what's scary is that Jason would have would would have been great he would have been great I do I do like the idea of each table is like a separate stage and you're trying to figure out what that audience needs from you so that you get the best possible tip yeah some some tables want to be left alone other tables want a little bit more here's here's what would have tripped here's what would have tripped you out and that your managers wouldn't have liked it because you would have always demanded a heart out and so you would have been like i'm gone before dessert my one joke i was used to do as a waiter i'd come by with the food and i'd put it down and the customer would say, oh, that looks wonderful.

Speaker 1 And I'd point to my shirt and I'd go, thanks, I just got it.

Speaker 1 And that's a tip. That's an extra 5%.

Speaker 1 24 years old, killed every time. So listen, so Pedro,

Speaker 1 so Buffy the Vampire. Sorry, this is the thing that Jason was referring to, which I didn't know.
You were credited as Pedro Balmaceda. C.

Speaker 1 And what, why Pascal? Oh, literally, it is not your name.

Speaker 1 I was just... no it is.
Is that the talent? No, no, no, but I mean, yes, go ahead, sorry. South Americans, we've got a lot of names.

Speaker 1 Like Jose Pedro, I never went by, my dad is Jose Pedro, and I'm Jose Pedro, and he's, but

Speaker 1 he grew up as Pepe, and I grew up as Pedro.

Speaker 1 Because it's, Pedro is not a middle name. So Jose Pedro is like a first name, right?

Speaker 1 And I just grew up as Pedro. And then, um...

Speaker 1 And Balmaceda, Pascal is what is on your passport, your birth certificate, Pascal being the maiden name. So Balmaceda is my last name.
It's my father's name. And

Speaker 1 so I went by Pedro Balmaceda.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there was a very, very

Speaker 1 meaningful reason to change it to Pascal. And there was also a very practical reason.
And they really...

Speaker 1 meet in the same level of importance because

Speaker 1 one,

Speaker 1 Balmaceda was impossible for people to pronounce and it just wasn't helping me in terms of auditions and casting. And Pascal

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 very easy to read and say out loud. And it always felt like a part of my identity.
And so when my mother passed away

Speaker 1 23 years ago,

Speaker 1 I made a

Speaker 1 you know a gradual transition

Speaker 1 to Pascal. I will say

Speaker 1 I will say it is nice and I will say Pedro Pascal is a is a star name it's that's so funny because I resisted it for such a long time it was something that I wanted that I was talked that I wanted to do

Speaker 1 you know before my mother died yeah hilarious

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 but I always thought it was kind of silly because of the P and the P and it sounded like maybe I was trying to create and I don't know what I thought was silly about it.

Speaker 1 I should have gotten to it much sooner than I did, actually. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Now, can I ask you, can I fan out and dork out about Mandalorian for just a little bit of these guys? There you go. Hang right here.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 So first of all, I want to know, I've seen every episode. I love it.
Me and Scotty, my husband's. The laser that you had in your belt, there's there's been a lot of discussion.

Speaker 1 The safety wasn't turned off and that it came from Glogblort. Is that true?

Speaker 1 Was it originally from Glogblort? I want Scotty to do a cross in the background and a full Mandalorian action. Ask him if it was from Glogbort because I read on Ron Reddit.

Speaker 1 Scotty, do you have any questions about Mandalorian? Truly asking. Truly asking.

Speaker 1 Scotty. I have so many.
So the Mandalorian. So listen, when you have

Speaker 1 the mask on, can can you, I want to know, can you see? Is it really you? Do you do voiceover after?

Speaker 1 What's it like wearing the suit? Do the jets really work? Like, what's happening? Like, tell me all real. Oh, yeah, it's all real.
Yeah, and they're in space, too. Yeah.
Stupid ass.

Speaker 1 I'm a huge fan. We're in space.

Speaker 1 We've always been in space.

Speaker 1 And it's really the only way it's similar to Narcos in that regard where it's location-based. Sure.
Sure.

Speaker 1 And there isn't really any other way to achieve it other than traveling to galaxies far, far away from our long past, correct?

Speaker 1 And baby Yoda

Speaker 1 is real. I keep on having this, like, almost sort of this electric shock that goes through my system if I say that.
I don't know why. It's totally fine, but Grogu, the child.
Grogu, right?

Speaker 1 You're supposed to say Grogu, not baby Yodu. Is real.

Speaker 1 But it's really you under the helmet.

Speaker 1 So I can't see very well. I can't can't see very well in the helmet.
There was a very extended experimental phase where I was in the suit for so much of it. And

Speaker 1 establishing what could be established in terms of a physical language, really drawing so much from guys that were better at it than I was.

Speaker 1 But how do you do it? Do they mic you in the helmet or do you do voice?

Speaker 1 There's a mic pack in

Speaker 1 your person. But there's also, it's a good question, Sean.

Speaker 1 There's a mic pack in the helmet, and

Speaker 1 it's really kind of up against the harder surfaces of your skull.

Speaker 1 Do they come mic you in your trailer, or do you just go over to the trolley? Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 And is there a snack hole, or do you have to take the whole helmet off, right, Sean? Sean, Sean, is it true?

Speaker 1 You told me once that just talking at the Mandalorian every time you watch it makes you grow goo. Is that true?

Speaker 1 I was working on one of those, William Beasley.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 1 I grow a lot of goo when I watch the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 No, that's so interesting. I just, I'm fascinated by the show.
I love it. It's hard to see.

Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, um, you, you kind of, there, there are so many ways that you sort of need to do a head tilt for the camera that makes it so that you can't even really look into the eyes of the human or puppet that you're acting with.

Speaker 1 And, and, in, in, in some instances, you feel really,

Speaker 1 really cool and it takes care of most of the work and and I have a lot of fun in post because John Favreau gives me a lot of opportunity to kind of edit with him and go over things that they got maybe on the day and it's really really surgical technical work that I've never yeah it's like exactly you don't have a lot of sync issues right and not a lot of lip-flap matches correct yeah because you can just do it now you know what I'm thinking about in that helmet is just odor, you know, like your own breath.

Speaker 1 Multiple episodes and stuff. So do you have like a lavender wipe that you can go

Speaker 1 for before you

Speaker 1 odor? Of course. Yeah.
Do you put a flower in there or

Speaker 1 what happens?

Speaker 1 I was very aware of like

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 not only that, but sort of the dark plastic of the tea, you know, because

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's almost like what your breath smells like,

Speaker 1 like cakes on, like stays there. Yeah, that's what you're saying.
And you're not handing that helmet off to second team for lighting, are you?

Speaker 1 You don't want them in there. Or sound, some dermatitis.
They got their own, right?

Speaker 1 Different helmet, different flower. You know, you'd be surprised.
It's so real, Pedro. It's so real.
This is giving Jason. That would keep him up at night if he thought that his standing was grown.

Speaker 1 What do you mean we don't have a second team helmet? Like that, that should have just come from the shop.

Speaker 1 Pedro, what you need to know is what would happen is the whole thing with the helmet, if Jason was doing that, it would go to Bloom, his assistant, and then Amanda, his wife, she'd be deep in on the cleaning of the helmet.

Speaker 1 Jason, there's no way that Jason can have this.

Speaker 1 He would hand the problem up to eventually his wife and Zach and Aline and everybody. There'd be emails.
Guys, we got to get Jason's helmet situation sorted out before he shows up on the set.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Pedro's a normal, nice guy. He shows up.
He's like, I'll just roll with it. You know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, you can play.

Speaker 1 at three callbacks for Mandalorian, and I think that that was the issue. I think ultimately Fabriel is just, this guy's a problem.
You couldn't, you couldn't come to an agreement on that.

Speaker 1 That's understandable.

Speaker 1 Sedaris is on, Sederis is on that show, right? Amy Sederis. Oh, yes, she is.
Yeah, she's the greatest.

Speaker 1 You know, there was an instant with Amy Sederis specifically, and

Speaker 1 that was where

Speaker 1 she made me laugh so hard

Speaker 1 that I spat into the

Speaker 1 helmet. And

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that was a moment where I came into a clear understanding of the close proximity that I had to

Speaker 1 the things that are in my mouth. Your own flow.
My saliva. And it's, you know, or like lunch or breakfast or something.
She's the best. I love her.

Speaker 1 But listen, I want to talk about your new movie, too.

Speaker 1 It's,

Speaker 1 what's it called? Strange Way of Life. Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 Strange Way of Life. Strange Way of Life.
Straña Foruma de Vida. And it's a 30-minute film.
That's it? It's just one film. It's a 30-minute short, written and directed by Pedro Almodovar,

Speaker 1 starring Ethan Hawke. And it's gay cowboys who travel across the desert to find each other 25 years apart.

Speaker 1 Former lovers,

Speaker 1 and one travels across the desert to see him again.

Speaker 1 And it is shot in the same places that Sergio Leone was shooting his spaghetti westerns in that southern region of Spain. Oh, wow, that's cool.

Speaker 1 On the same sets. That's cool.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Saint Laurent does the costumes. Wow.
And it's me and Ethan. And I'd never worked with Ethan before.

Speaker 1 I actually listened to him on your podcast. Wasn't he great? He's awesome, isn't he? He's so cool.
I love him. It was so great to...
get to hear you guys

Speaker 1 get to know him

Speaker 1 because I spent the summer with him and you know, I saw movies that he was in, starting with like The Explorers,

Speaker 1 and then Dead Poets Society, and Reality Bites, and then he published a book, and then he was on Broadway, and then he was off Broadway, and then he directed off Broadway, and then he was like working with friends, and then we were doing, you know,

Speaker 1 this thing with Pedro Motivar, whose movies I saw growing up.

Speaker 1 He was kind of a family favorite, and

Speaker 1 it just

Speaker 1 meant a lot in all earnestness. It was

Speaker 1 this moment of sort of being listened to and taken seriously by these two influences was a very surreal experience for me because they he was my scene partner and this was our director and they wanted to be collaborative and they wanted to

Speaker 1 I don't know,

Speaker 1 all get on the same page at the same level. And

Speaker 1 I felt so influenced by both of them in my upbringing that

Speaker 1 as corny as it may sound, I'm like, these guys care what I think.

Speaker 1 And that was...

Speaker 1 But you know why, Pedro? You know why? And I mean this too. You earned that seat there because you're really good at what you do.
Yeah. And I hope you see

Speaker 1 what we all see. which is an incredible talent, incredible artist, and you deserve to be there.
And that's why you were there in that scene with those guys. Thanks, Bill.
Where do we get to see?

Speaker 1 Where's it going to come out? It's going to premiere at Cannes. Oh,

Speaker 1 you did a previous short. Jesus, that was such a nice story, and then you fucking ruined it with your canned bullshit.

Speaker 1 I've never been. Did you get to keep any of the...
Are you going to go?

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to go. I want to go

Speaker 1 really badly. He did a previous short with Tilda Swinton.
So this is the second of what could be three installments of these 30-minute English-language

Speaker 1 forays because everything he's ever done before is in his native language. Pedro, I'm

Speaker 1 Tech of Vale, just FYI. I'm just putting it out there to the university.
Did you get to keep any of the St. Laurent Cowboy stuff? I bet it's some pretty cool stuff.
No,

Speaker 1 they don't give me nothing. I asked for the green jacket.
If you want to look up the trailer right now, you see me in this kind of like bright green Jimmy Stewart,

Speaker 1 you know, denim calico. No, they want to hold on to it for possible reshoots.
Jacket.

Speaker 1 No, they just, they just gave me a flat no.

Speaker 1 Jason wants to know: was it moldy? Was the jacket moldy? Did he smell anything? Did it breathe right out there? Because I imagine it was pretty hot. And now

Speaker 1 it didn't have a wicking quality.

Speaker 1 And the last thing I want you to do, Paige, if only if you want to. On SNL, you were so fucking funny on a Saturday Night Live.
Can you just do a little bit of the voice?

Speaker 1 Can you just do a little bit of it? I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 I don't know why she's talking about.

Speaker 1 Stop asking me.

Speaker 1 I'm not comfortable with that.

Speaker 1 It's really funny. I've been putting on an accent this whole time, and now I finally got to talk to myself.

Speaker 1 I could listen to that with an I know. I'm a telephone talking to you guys.
I'll always talk about it.

Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 Pedro, thank you for joining us, my friend. Pedro, we love you very much.
You're a great talent and a friend. Honestly, you're such a fan, such a, such a huge fan, man.
You're so good at what you do.

Speaker 1 Keep doing it.

Speaker 1 I really love talking to you guys.

Speaker 1 Bye, Pedro. We love you.
Have a great rest of your day. Thanks, guys.
I'm just going to take the headphones off because I have no idea what that's fine. Just take them off and walk off.
Slam the iPad.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. Bye, buddy.
Bye, bye-bye.

Speaker 1 Man, he is great. Yeah, yeah.
I'm such a massive fan of The Last of Us. Did you guys watch it? I haven't yet.

Speaker 1 Well, did you ever play the game?

Speaker 1 I did not play the game. No.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was so good.

Speaker 1 I saw the prequel.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh, here. The first of us.
Did you not see?

Speaker 1 He was. That's so dumb.
Of course it's dumb. What is this?

Speaker 1 Dad, that's a great clean dad. What do you feel? It's a clean joke.
Do you need a headset to play that game? Is that one of those where you got a

Speaker 1 machine? Will's headset?

Speaker 1 What do you mean, Will's? Millions of people enjoy themselves. But wait,

Speaker 1 what a talent that guy is. But isn't it amazing that

Speaker 1 he started out so like he's been doing this forever.

Speaker 1 So when Game of Thrones hit him, when he was like like wonder woman like all these big things that he's done he it kind of came out of it what seemingly always the same story all the time that it seemingly came out of nowhere but he's been doing this forever that's what i mean that's my first yeah yeah so that's why he's like down to earth and normal because he's like you guys are making all the hype i'm not making all the hype i'm just working you know

Speaker 1 i saw him when i saw him in an interview one of the things where they had him strapped to a lie detector and he's just like so comfortable an interview i guess it was more like an interrogator anyway whatever it was, he was at a police station and he was strapped to a life conductor.

Speaker 1 No, but he was doing it. And he was just like, and I was marveling at how comfortable he is in his own skin and how relaxed and normal he is.
And that's why I asked that question.

Speaker 1 It's like, you can tell he's the guy who's paid his dues and he's been doing it for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's not like, oh, my God, this is the case. Yeah, he's the greatest.

Speaker 1 Jason, you got to run. Where are you heading to? And are you going to, where are you going right now?

Speaker 1 Some charity thing. Are you saving some kids? Yeah, I got to go feed a bunch of folks.

Speaker 1 Are you going to drive? Are you going to ride your... No, he's going to drive and then he's going to probably chip.

Speaker 1 Is it cool? Oh, he was bike. I was going to say bike.

Speaker 1 Bike.

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