"Jennifer Garner"

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Speaker 1 Hey guys, listen, I'm super high energy. I'm high energy.
You think you're high energy? I'm high enough. I'm probably the highest I've ever been.
I just got a call from the high energy.

Speaker 1 Guys, I shot the coffee into the back of my knee. I'm on fire right now.

Speaker 1 I just pulled my car here. I didn't even have time to let it drive.
I didn't even turn it off. I just had two pints of Haagen-Dazz.
And I'm like, guys,

Speaker 1 let's make sure we get this episode started while we still got the gas. Ready? Here comes Smart.
You already said it. We're going to start.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Smart

Speaker 1 Letts

Speaker 1 Smart

Speaker 1 Less

Speaker 1 Jay, I don't know if you want to start or I'm going to start. Wait, are you

Speaker 1 retiring from Smartless?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, it's an announcement, right? I'm not. Wait, why are you.

Speaker 1 Well, we do have a very great replacement waiting whenever you're ready to. It doesn't have to be now, it could be next year or whenever.
Fucking Fucking sideswiped. I got it.
I feel so.

Speaker 1 I just want to give him a heads up.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have to. You're not retiring.
Okay. No.
What I was going to say was, Jesus,

Speaker 1 how excited

Speaker 1 we are for Shawnee winning the Tony.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, there's that. I mean, Sean Hayes.
Yeah, Sean Hayes won a fucking Tony. Tony, best actor for Goodnight Oscar.

Speaker 1 We don't have that level of class here. I know.
It's so

Speaker 1 Very nice. Very nice.

Speaker 1 Remember when you said you were going to go do this play in Chicago? An idea that you had. You got this great writer.
And gosh, you're scared. And you don't know how it's going to go.

Speaker 1 Doug, what's his name? Well, and you got great reviews, and there was a possibility of it going to Broadway. You weren't sure what it was.

Speaker 1 Remember, you and Scotty were in that shitty apartment in Chicago right above

Speaker 1 the fire station? Yeah. Yeah, the police station.

Speaker 1 Got such a deal on it. And you were so.

Speaker 1 And then you go to Broadway and you're not sure. Quick name of the theater, Jason.
Name of the theater.

Speaker 1 The spiciest

Speaker 1 seats in the West.

Speaker 1 And then you do a great job that you get great reviews. And then, like, don't talk about Tony nominations because you jinx it.
And then you got a nomination. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 He's never going to win, right? They can't give Sean Hayes a nomination.

Speaker 1 They give him the drama desk and the outer circles, but in the Tony, he's not going to get

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 Yours is spelt with an I, right? And it's dotted with a heart, right? I mean,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 like more of a significant

Speaker 1 than an award. The Tony Tony Tony's.
Tony Tony Tony's done it again. But no, that's very kind of you.
Congrats, man. That's very sweet.

Speaker 1 You guys already have showered me with so much love and praise in our texts and things. But thank you.
And it is wild. It's wild to, Jason, what you just said about doing,

Speaker 1 you know, the week we shot that document or the two weeks we shot that doc series that it's now wearing,

Speaker 1 I was trying to memorize. Where would we see that? By the way, if somebody wanted to see that, if somebody wanted to see that, where would they go?

Speaker 1 What's Max? Oh, Max. Yeah, it's the old majority.
That's where they'd find it. Sean Max.
Johnny, you're learning.

Speaker 1 We arrived, we did those shows on the weekend, and the next day you flew to Chicago. That's right.
And the next day I flew to Chicago to do it. After the last show.

Speaker 1 But, Jay, you were sleeping or something, and I asked Will to run lines with me. Yeah.
Oh, really?

Speaker 1 And Will ran lines with me on the couch, and I was like,

Speaker 1 that's so bizarre to me.

Speaker 1 Bizarre.

Speaker 1 That's why I got the special

Speaker 1 Tony. Yeah, they engraved just a little spot.
Just look underneath it, Shiny. It says Ran Lines with.
It says Will's Lines.

Speaker 1 But we just could not be prouder. And the fact that we've both seen it and can attest to its quality is also.

Speaker 1 Well, and

Speaker 1 you get so nervous when you get up there and you receive an award and you forget to thank people. And I really honestly forgot to thank two of my best friends in the whole world, you guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, what? And

Speaker 1 my family, too. I thought that was a good thing.
No, I was actually taken by how together you were up to with that. Oh, my God.
I was a wreck. I was

Speaker 1 a incredible actor because you seemed not nervous at all. I love when you said Scotty, it's Scotty, right? And you were so funny.

Speaker 1 Sean.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the only one-liner I had ready, should I had one, was this has got to be the first time an Oscar won a Tony. Yes.
In the room there, didn't land so well. It was.
The TV played great.

Speaker 1 So who cares about the room, right?

Speaker 1 But the rest of the time. Listen, I was watching that thing, and I was just thinking, you see all these theater people in there, and they got there in the biggest night.
And I thought, man,

Speaker 1 this is showbiz for losers.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Will texted that.

Speaker 1 Will was texting me in real time while he was watching the Tony Awards saying, this is the first time I've ever watched the Tony Awards because of you.

Speaker 1 And you put it up.

Speaker 1 But it was wild.

Speaker 1 Also, when they call your name, it's that weird thing where you watch TV your whole life, whether it's Oscars, Emmys, Tony's, whatever, and you watch other people walk up there.

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, that's so nice. I'm a big fan or I love that show or that whatever, that actor.

Speaker 1 And then when you're, while I was walking up the steps, it was like, I'm not supposed to be walking. Like, other people walk up the steps.
It's not supposed to be you.

Speaker 1 Didn't you get used to that walk with the, what is it, half a dozen Emmys you've won? Golden Globes, SAG Awards, all these other things.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking,

Speaker 1 between us, we've won a handful of Golden Globes and Emmys and SAGs and Tony. I mean, that's amazing.
Isn't that wonderful? But we didn't

Speaker 1 have to be an egot group. No, but between the three of us, we've won all these, I mean...

Speaker 1 I haven't won any of them, but you guys, and then I, but between the three of us. But you ran lines with both of us.

Speaker 1 I've run lines with both of you guys, and you've you've both been one so yeah you know if you look at my thing like yeah technically i've never won an award but you know that's we won't hey we all three won a webby we did we did we did

Speaker 1 we did a few of them we did a few of them

Speaker 1 guys thank you so much for saying that truly truly um thank you for all the love and support you've shown me and the show by talking about it on the podcast and uh you guys are the best i love you very much no we love you and anyway we we had to we had to talk about it because it was just

Speaker 1 too important. And now we can get to our regular scheduled program, which is the fantastic Jennifer Carter episode.

Speaker 1 Welcome to Smartless. Welcome to Smartless.
Welcome to Smartless. That is very sweet, you guys.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Shawnee, are you happy that we're on day two of your days off? Yes. This is your weekend right now.
Monday, Tuesday is your weekend. It is Monday, Tuesday, my weekend.
How's your eyeball?

Speaker 1 Have you been perfectly? I don't know. I'm going to go back after we're done here.
I'm going to go back and see if

Speaker 1 my retina's detached. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but did he re-stick it last week?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Do you guys, we talked about Vassovagel, right? Where you get sick and you faint.
Yep. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He puts the anesthesia in your eye and then opens it and sticks something in your eye to keep it open. This is an eye doctor or just a fella downstairs? The proctologist.
This is the guy.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 then he shoots lasers in your eye and it's kind of painful. Like from the hip? Yeah, he shoots from pew, pew,

Speaker 1 yeah. And he puts those Star Wars sounds in it to make me to soothe you.
He does, huh? Pew, pew, pew, pew. Yeah, that guy's not an accredited doctor, Sean.
But, Sean,

Speaker 1 you've been doing the show, right? Didn't you? What did you have, like one day off or two days off with the, after the other?

Speaker 1 I got Mondays and Tuesdays off. No, no, but I mean, after you got your relationship with the other day, you did the show.
Yeah, I did the laser thing on Tuesday and had two shows the next day.

Speaker 1 You did seven shows after the laser thing. Yeah.
Did you bump into any

Speaker 1 cast members or set decoration? No, no set decoration. No, I did okay, but I'm supposed to bang my head, you know, when I try to get those voices out of my head.

Speaker 1 So I cut back and I just grab my head now. That's good.
Not as good.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like it might be a nice kind of homage if eventually you end up using your mom's eye?

Speaker 1 Well. No, I'm serious because I know that Tracy's got it, right, Trace? I could use that.
Trace, get it shined up.

Speaker 1 I could finally see how my mom saw.

Speaker 1 No, you're not going to have to do that. I think you're okay

Speaker 1 because you made it through last week. Well, we're going to find, I know, I made it through one week.
So we're going to find out what happens today after

Speaker 1 we're done here. And then I'll let you guys know because I'm sure you'll be on the edge of your seats.
Hey, quick question. Jason, are you wearing one of those sauna sweatsuits? It looks like it.

Speaker 1 Are you trying to cut weight? It's just

Speaker 1 a crappy

Speaker 1 overthrow. you know it's a little cloudy today um

Speaker 1 you know speaking of proctologists guys um

Speaker 1 our next guest wait what it's not my guest um jay me and you have the exact same glasses on today and same hair we should start well you part yours in the middle no it's not meant to be in the middle it really isn't you know i look like a water yak when it goes well we've been through what it looks like in profile when it's just the outline yeah on the smartlist logo i look like a dickhead yeah a literal

Speaker 1 dickhead. But let's not.

Speaker 1 By the way, let's talk about our FaceTime last night, Will, for two seconds. FaceTime?

Speaker 1 No. No.
And he in literally never seen any human being eat this fast. He's talking, he's talking, he's talking.
While I'm talking to him, he's making a sandwich.

Speaker 1 Maybe 30 seconds later, the entire sandwich is gone. It's a ham and cheese sandwich gone like that.
Was it a small-size bread or something? No, it was a big salt. A full-size bread?

Speaker 1 Yeah, big sandwich. I just hammered it in like four bites.
And then he went on a hike.

Speaker 1 I needed fuel. To go on your hike.
You know? And I went on a hike. Did you put on, did you strap on the heavy hands and the heavy ankles and walk up the hills? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I wore the weight vest. And did you zip into the rubber suit?

Speaker 1 I wish.

Speaker 1 Do you ever talk on your hike while you're on the phone? Do you ever pass anybody?

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 What kind of question is that? Meaning, like when you're walking and do you talk to people on your hike? Because I don't like it when people are like, so I'm happy. I do sometimes.

Speaker 1 What are you doing tonight? And I'm like, just call me when you're done. I'll roll calls.
I'll roll calls sometimes.

Speaker 1 What if you got one of those, you know, they use them for motion capture where you got to wear the helmet with the camera that's looking back at you and you could do FaceTimes while you're walking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But you know what I mean when people are like talking to you on your house? I do.
Of course I do. I'm that guy.

Speaker 1 And what happens is also is that that street is, I will have, and you don't always look the best because it's quite straight uphill and you get quite tired. Jay, we've done it before together.

Speaker 1 And remember, Amanda's mom used to do it every day. And

Speaker 1 people go, Yeah, man, I see you. I saw you out there the other day.
And I'm like thinking, I just look like a sweaty slob that was huffing and puffing my way up at noon on a weekday.

Speaker 1 Actually, you saw me there a couple of weeks ago. You pulled over.
Yeah, yeah. But you pulled over because you didn't know it was me.
You thought I was just a hot guy

Speaker 1 walking up the hill. That's what you said, hey, hot guy.
And then you saw me. I mean, ha ha ha.
Hey, well,

Speaker 1 hi, guy.

Speaker 1 Hi, guy, instead of

Speaker 1 this, our guest is. Oh, wait, really quick.

Speaker 1 I guess our guest does need a lot of money. No, no, just really quick.
One of the most embarrassing moments of my entire life, I was driving off the NBC lot. This is decades ago.

Speaker 1 And there was this really good-looking guard. And I rolled down, a friend of mine was in the car with me.
And I looked back just as I passed him, and I went,

Speaker 1 like that. And the guard, I noticed the guard saw me do that.

Speaker 1 And all all of him and the five other guards were laughing so hard because they knew it was me that checked him out and was so embarrassed that's my story well we always need something to cut will your guest

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. I don't know if you're going to want to cut that.
All the way there and no destination.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you who never gets cut. Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Is our guest today?

Speaker 1 This person is not going to get.

Speaker 1 Because you're going to want to see this person

Speaker 1 and the people who hire this person want this person to be in every frame of everything they do.

Speaker 1 Because this is somebody who has been in many frames for many years.

Speaker 1 This is a person who's done the, it really run run the gamut. Started in New York, first professional job was an understudy.
The queen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then and then moved into TV, did the whole thing, paid her dues in TV, guest stars on all the biggest shows and pilots and shows that lasted three episodes and six episodes and then

Speaker 1 and then got a show that clicked and clicked in the biggest way that people, it's not Frank Drescher, clicked in the way that people just loved and couldn't get enough of.

Speaker 1 And guess what happens when you do that? People start saying, we need to put you into our film. And boy, did she start doing films.
Big, huge commercial films. Big, huge

Speaker 1 award-nominated and winning films. This person has done it all.
You're not saying anything.

Speaker 1 While being the mom to three kids and maintaining a consistency over time, which is really the mark of somebody who's incredible. Guys, I haven't given it away yet, but you know her from Alias.

Speaker 1 You her in Daredevil. You knew her in Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 1 You liked her yesterday as Jennifer Garner.

Speaker 1 Look at her.

Speaker 1 She's covered back up.

Speaker 1 She's back up. Look at her.

Speaker 1 Hello.

Speaker 1 I usually have a baseball.

Speaker 1 Okay, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 Jennifer Garner. Yeah, you always have a hat on.

Speaker 1 I always do.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You, me, and Jason have the exact same glasses frames on right now. Listener, we've had a lot of nice people on this show.
Sure. None as nice as Jen.

Speaker 2 Baby, I'm so happy to see you. Hi, guys.
I got so nervous. Do people get nervous when you're about to introduce them?

Speaker 1 No, I have to give me a little like... I have a runny tummy right now.

Speaker 1 Always. Well, let's not.

Speaker 1 People do. I think that I don't know if people get nervous, but I think that nerves are always a good sign.
That means that

Speaker 1 it's going to be a great set. It means that you're in the moment.
Hi, Jennifer Garner. We've never met before.

Speaker 2 I know. That is so weird to me because I really remember you from the Venice days and the

Speaker 2 whole, yeah, your whole compound.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the whole, I was in the compound with everybody who was in your show. Wait, you guys have never met? What compound?

Speaker 2 I know. Isn't that weird?

Speaker 1 When I was living out with Bradley, Bradley and I were in the back and Ron

Speaker 1 and Ivan and Iva were in the front. Yeah.
And where were you, Jennifer? How could you never meet if you guys were that close?

Speaker 2 I would kind of skulk around to try to avoid him.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you were living in the same building, Jennifer?

Speaker 2 No, no, I wasn't. It's just like Ron and Iva, Ron Rifkin and his wife were in one part of this compound.
And Ron was on alias. He played Sloan, and Bradley Cooper was there.
Right.

Speaker 1 So when Transpo was driving the van in the morning, picking up all the cast members, your son. Oh, you my son have seen this show.
No, no, no, it wasn't that kind of.

Speaker 2 Sometimes I saw Will taking out the garbage, but. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, I didn't take out the garbage. That's why Ron got mad at me.
Do you know that story?

Speaker 1 No, but I'm not surprised.

Speaker 1 I thought that's why you brought it up. You don't want Ron Rifkin running after you.

Speaker 1 Ron, I used to, we were, I guess, working on arrested development at the time, and I was never there first thing in the morning on Monday morning, whatever it was, or Thursday mornings.

Speaker 1 And at this point, Bradley moved out and Robbie Bates had moved into Bradley's place. Right, right, right.
Right?

Speaker 1 So Robbie was there, and I go, and all of a sudden, like, Ron was kind of, I go, I think Ron's mad at me because I haven't taken the trash out because I don't get it. Why is it your job?

Speaker 1 It was anybody's job, whoever could do it. But Ron would do it right at 5 p.m.
The moment you're allowed to put it out the night before, he would put it out.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I didn't get home till seven, eight o'clock from work. So I think he's mad at me.
And Robbie's like, oh, you're reading into it. You're being crazy.
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 And like two months later,

Speaker 1 who was it who I saw? I saw somebody. It's kind of a hip.
I saw somebody

Speaker 1 and they said to me, oh, I ran into Ron Rifkin at a party and he says that you never take the trash out. And I said, I knew it.
And I said to Robbie, I'm like, who's crazy now?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 If we don't cut me

Speaker 1 out, the NBC guard. You don't want the Ron Rifkin trash.

Speaker 1 People just listen to it in double time. See, Jen, there's nothing to be nervous about.
We don't let you get a word in edgewise. It's just like talking.

Speaker 1 It's Jennifer Garner, everybody. By the way, you're the most delicious person.
You are so sweet and kind. What's with the 1950s

Speaker 1 microphone?

Speaker 2 I don't know. This just came.

Speaker 2 You're lovely, guys, Sunday.

Speaker 1 We sent it over.

Speaker 1 So, Jennifer Garner, and I was, again,

Speaker 1 can I call you Jen?

Speaker 2 Yeah, unless you're going to use the whole thing.

Speaker 1 And does anybody call you Jenny?

Speaker 2 No, very few people. There's a first AD that I love who calls me Jenny.
Like people like that, just random people in my life, but I never mind.

Speaker 1 Well, you call Aniston Jenny sometimes. I always find it very cute.
I think it's very, very affectionate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I like Jenny as a nickname for Jen. Yes.

Speaker 2 In a weird way, but I didn't grow up as a Jenny. But I bet Jen Aniston would agree with me that we,

Speaker 2 you know, why weren't we named like Savannah or

Speaker 1 Ireland or something? Savannah. Well,

Speaker 1 I also call, Jason, I also call your wife Mandy, and nobody else calls her Mandy, but I like calling her Mandy.

Speaker 1 But, but, so, Jen, I want to go, I want to go way back because I love your, I love your trajectory. It's so great.
And I mentioned it in the lead-in when I was reading about you that all the frames.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 I also felt very similar in that, like, I could under when I looked at all the stuff that you did and the shows that got canceled and the three episodes and this stuff, I, that was my pain for so many years as well.

Speaker 1 You had all these near-misses. You think, like, oh, this is, I'm so excited about this show.

Speaker 1 And then, before you know,

Speaker 1 yeah, this is the one before you know, and JB, you know what it's like too. I mean,

Speaker 1 all of a sudden it's gone.

Speaker 2 And you're like, I remember I did a movie.

Speaker 2 My first like movie movie was mr magoo with um starring leslie nielsen as mr magoo oh my god i remember that i'm sure you do i do um and when it was coming out i knew so little that i thought well i guess i get to go to the oscars this year because i'm in a movie like i seriously was like well i got a dress i better get ready i better go shopping is it true that leslie nielsen every day of his life uh walked around with a little fart machine in his pocket he did there was a fart machine yeah there was a fart I think that's so awesome.

Speaker 1 That'd be good. There's also this guy, and I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 2 Or there wasn't a machine, but there was farting, one way or another.

Speaker 1 Maybe there wasn't a fart machine. As I say, Jay doesn't need a machine.
There's a guy, I feel like it's not Jeffrey Tambor, but it's somebody like that, equally hilarious.

Speaker 1 That all his bit, his whole life, is to walk around with a little bit of loose change in his pocket and he just drops it as he walks by people.

Speaker 1 Well, just because you can't help but go, oh, sir, you, you know, like you just keep walking.

Speaker 1 It just drops

Speaker 1 change. It keeps it fun.
So

Speaker 1 first, so you're shopping for the Oscars after Mr. Magoo.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 That's another great bit. Just say that, like, in an elevator.
Out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Willie.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you're ready to go to the Oscars after Mr. Magoo.

Speaker 1 What was the thing?

Speaker 1 What had you done

Speaker 1 before Mr. Magoo? You had done a a bunch of shows before then? What was the first? And by the way, weren't you a theater nerd, too?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was a theater nerd.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 let's just go back then, Will.

Speaker 1 Let's go back. You started as a, you weren't a theater major to begin with.
Is that true?

Speaker 2 Correct. I was a chemistry major.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.
Are you still, do you have like that kind of the brain that loves that still?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I don't think I had it then.
I just think my dad was a chemical engineer. He's a retired chemical engineer, and I come from a chemistry town.
Like it was Union Carbide, Dow, DuPont.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there are like five people left. No, not really.

Speaker 1 Do you have it like that? Drinking water must be delicious.

Speaker 2 It's all different colors, rainbow flavors.

Speaker 1 Sure. Do you have a sci-fi brain, though, that do you like sci-fi because of alias and all that or no? No.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, you have to be.

Speaker 2 No, I'm just thinking. Like, you would think that, but no, I just.

Speaker 1 Your girls aren't taking chemistry yet, are they? Franny's taking chemistry. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, my daughter's a junior.

Speaker 1 Yes, so then she is. Yes.
She's

Speaker 1 done with chemistry.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 How old are yours?

Speaker 1 Franny's 16 and Maple is 11.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. Okay.
I have 16, 14, and 11.

Speaker 1 Are you helping out with chemistry at all?

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, you didn't retain any of it.

Speaker 2 I don't remember. I mean, truly, I can't help with that.
homework of that, of my high school junior. Not even I can hardly.

Speaker 1 What about math? What about math?

Speaker 2 She had her AP her BC calc AP whatever her exam yesterday

Speaker 2 derivative like I don't even when's the last time you dealt with a parabola you know what I mean

Speaker 1 today

Speaker 2 I mean what time I feel like I feel like we really shouldn't have to do it Jason I haven't seen you in a long time I know you know remember when we used to work together like once every like eight or nine months yeah remember when we we worked together all the time you guys did juno we did juno what else but before that we did the kingdom oh you did the kingdom of course what was kingdom before juno kingdom was before juno didn't we do a third thing together we did and i always forget and i actually looked it up because we didn't have scenes together that's why oh it was the ricky travest it was invention of lying yeah yes yes oh i love that movie yeah

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Speaker 1 So you become a theater nerd, you're at Dennison, you switch majors, you don't want to be a chemical engineer, you become, you're working on the sets, you're doing all this stuff, you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And then what? You're like, all right, I graduate, I'm out of here, and I'm going to go and work all the time.

Speaker 2 Okay, so then I worked at a Shakespeare festival in Atlanta, Georgia, the summer after I graduated. And while we were there, there was a musical because I really, I loved

Speaker 2 musicals. And there was a musical, a new version of what's it called? Taming of the Shrew.

Speaker 1 Okay. No.

Speaker 2 What is Taming? Taming of the Shrew is the name of the, which is Kiss Me Kate. There's Kiss Me Kate, but apparently there needed to be another one.
So it was called Dancing with the One I Love.

Speaker 2 And so that show was taken to a theater in a strip mall in Fort Lauderdale. Sure.
Called the Brian C. Smith Off-Broadway Theater.

Speaker 2 And I.

Speaker 1 We're so busy. This is next to Turbo Tax.

Speaker 2 It literally was. It was shut down for tax evasion later.

Speaker 2 But I went down with that show and

Speaker 2 performed there. And I was there as a non-equity performer because

Speaker 2 I had been hiding from my equity card because I could work more, you know? Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 So I was working as a non-equity performer. So I didn't have, they didn't have to put me up.
So in exchange for being someone's roommate, I was in charge of the laundry for the entire cast.

Speaker 2 And there were 35 men. We did eight shows a week.
So I washed and ironed all there, but I got really good at ironing.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I did all of every, all of the washing, drying, all of the, all the dry cleaning.

Speaker 1 I can't touch anyone's dirty clothes.

Speaker 2 I love dirty clothes.

Speaker 2 I can't do it. I want to iron your, your little poncho so badly.

Speaker 1 Your hand goes in the wrong spot.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 You gotta look for the waistband, grab that. Oh my gosh.
Do you love that? Of all, like, of all household chores, you love ironing. Like,

Speaker 1 like, do you love that?

Speaker 1 I have a friend that loves ironing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I get that. I got really into it at the time.
I was so, I just ironed all, I ironed all the time. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 That used to be one of my chores on the weekends.

Speaker 1 I just learned a new hack is to, if you have like rings on a wood, on a wood table, something like that, and you put like a, just a damp towel on it and you iron it, and it'll bring the

Speaker 1 ring mark off. Maybe you already do that.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I learned it on the TikTok. Hey, so listen.
YouTube shorts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, YouTube short shorts.

Speaker 1 They're called cue culottes. So,

Speaker 1 Jen, so you're in Florida, you're doing a ton of laundry, and

Speaker 1 Hollywood calls.

Speaker 2 I was doing a ton of laundry, and after it was over, I was driving north

Speaker 2 to audition for

Speaker 2 from, yeah, I was driving up north to audition for Utah Shakespeare for the next summer.

Speaker 2 And when I was on my way there, I met a casting director in Philadelphia at a restaurant, and he said, you you should you should come and read for this little movie anyway ended up in New York for a couple of days and while I was there I went on an audition and I actually I opened the backstage I went on a bunch of auditions and because I was so green and so fresh off the bus like West Virginia girl I just got everything that day that I went on they were all these little non-equity jobs it was just one of those days you know where it's just like It's my first day in New York.

Speaker 2 Hi, y'all.

Speaker 1 I'd hire you right now based on this interview. It's unbelievable, right?

Speaker 2 So somebody said you should meet an agent. I met this agent.
She said, I want to send you to

Speaker 2 the roundabout to see if you could get an understudy job. And so anyway, then I did.
And then I started working at Isabella's. Do you remember Isabella's?

Speaker 2 On the southeast corner of 77th Street and Columbus Avenue.

Speaker 1 Yes. That's a bar? Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was across from the Natural Museum of History.

Speaker 1 Yes, I know Isabella's. Yeah.
Did you ever get loaded in there, Will? I sure did.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 that was a different life.

Speaker 1 So how quickly after that were you back on the bus out to Hollywood?

Speaker 2 A few years because I only wanted to do theater.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And you have this amazing singing voice that not a lot of people know that you have, but you do.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 But so that was the dream to do musicals on Broadway, never to go out to Hollywood.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was just to be in theater. I didn't really, I mean, I love dancing.

Speaker 2 I don't really have a voice that could be a professional singing voice unless it's like the range from, you know, here to here.

Speaker 1 But Broadway quality.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't have like a Broadway voice, but I have a karaoke voice. We've done karaoke, sort of, fancy karaoke.

Speaker 2 But anyway, yeah, then I was, I was super broke and I had just finally auditioned for a TV thing.

Speaker 2 This agent sent me on, and she said, well, they want to test you for this, but it, and I said, I'm understudying right now. And she said, they'll give you $150 a day cash per diem.

Speaker 2 And I so badly needed that cash. I was so broke that I came to L.A.
to test for something. And I got that job.
And it was to play Melissa Gilbert's daughter in a

Speaker 2 Danielle Steele miniseries. So then I did that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was up for the same part. Wow.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Melissa Gilbert was one of my first crushes. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 You guys are so tied to each other because I was just thinking, Jay, you worked with Melissa Gilbert on Little House. Yes, sir.
Yeah. That's when

Speaker 1 things all started to happen for me. Testosterone.
I kept calling her Laura.

Speaker 2 I remember in hair and makeup, I kept calling her Laura.

Speaker 1 Did you really? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She taught me everything. I'd never been in front of, I'd never been in front of a camera.
I'd never paid attention to any of it. She taught me what a call sheet was, who to talk to for things.

Speaker 2 She taught me about the camera turning around. I had no, I was totally clueless.

Speaker 1 She was really good.

Speaker 1 So that's so sweet. That's so nice.
Did you guys, did you stay connected with her at all after? Yeah, yeah, I have. You know, she's in government and politics.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I had a fundraiser for her. Yep.

Speaker 1 Married to Timothy Busfield.

Speaker 2 Yeah, very happily.

Speaker 1 The great Timothy Busfield, yeah.

Speaker 1 Couple of gingers. Yeah, yeah.
Found each other. Well, my son's a ginger, so

Speaker 1 I always have a soft spot. One of my son.
Sweet, sweet ginger. Sweet Abel.

Speaker 1 So you do the movie with

Speaker 1 now you've, and then she's taught you everything you need to know about Shobiz and how. So then I'm in.

Speaker 2 So now you're in. Then I went back to New York and I was still, you know, and I would, every time I would get some kind of play, I would be so broke.

Speaker 2 I would get like an episode of Law and Order or of some dumb thing. And I would have, I would take that job because I needed that topic.

Speaker 1 Well, you did Law and Order, right? I did.

Speaker 2 I did. Scale plus 10.

Speaker 1 Scale plus 10. You're just so stoked.
But also, you're working in the city. And as you know, like you, like you're working in the city, you're so excited that you get to shoot in the city.

Speaker 1 And you end up like shooting on, you're like, I was just here yesterday buying milk and now I'm here shooting, you know what I mean? You're so cute.

Speaker 2 It's so crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 2 When you're, when you first are driving or going up somewhere and you see like, you know, big caravans and a whole set and a base camp and you're like, wow, there's a movie shooting there.

Speaker 2 And you're like, wait a minute, that's me.

Speaker 1 Do you remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I still feel that way.

Speaker 1 I still get that way, yeah, totally. Driving up to a location and just seeing all the trucks.
It's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, because I remember like moving to Los Angeles for the first time seeing that like just waiting tables and you're like that'd be so cool what are they filming over there i mean you'd love to be a part of it yeah how did how did so so right off the bus from west virginia you're in new york you're very green how did that how how did you find the city was it was it scary or did you adapt immediately i was pretty happy i mean i i just i really

Speaker 2 went right into it. I just would pay my $20 to stand at the back of the Broadway house to watch every show that I could by myself like this.

Speaker 2 And I would go to museums. And I mean, I just was nerding out.

Speaker 1 So you weren't going to the discos and the bars and the?

Speaker 2 No, I wasn't doing any of that. But my mom always told me that the more people you make eye contact with and smile at during this day on the street, like strangers, the happier you are as a person.

Speaker 2 So, oh, the cuckoo clocks, right? But

Speaker 2 so as I was walking.

Speaker 1 Did that go off every time you quote something cuckoo your mom said?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 It would be very busy.

Speaker 1 Quiet. Wait, wait, by the way, by the way, Jen,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of wisdom in that because I like that your mom said that.

Speaker 1 And I was just listening to a thing today because it is, it lends itself to the cuckoo clocks and we get locations on the cuckoo clock.

Speaker 1 I wish Melissa Gilbert had told you about

Speaker 1 sound while you're rolling.

Speaker 2 Cuckoo.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of wisdom in that. I like this idea that it's kind of, you know, you get what you put out there.
And so

Speaker 1 I think that that's true. If you go out and you make eye content and you smile at people and you kind of, you, you project joy, you're going to get joy coming back your way.

Speaker 2 Right. Okay.
But when you first moved to New York.

Speaker 1 Well, that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That is very hard on the population of New York. It's very tiring.
I was like, hi, hi, how you doing? Nice day. I like your shoes.
I mean, it was a lot.

Speaker 2 I was a lot.

Speaker 1 They were a lot for me. You can't compliment people's shoes in New York.

Speaker 1 But when you're, where was your first apartment? Do you remember what part of the city? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I lived lived on a woman's kitchen floor on 85th and Broadway.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 She had a studio, but the kitchen was kind of its own alcove, and I had a little futon and my suitcase for nine months.

Speaker 1 Wow, like a puppy.

Speaker 1 What year was that, do you think?

Speaker 1 A puppy. What year was it? 94.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Why were you on 85th and no,

Speaker 1 I lived at 87th and West End with five other people. That was like 90, 91.
And then

Speaker 1 by 92, I was living on the upper east side in a railroad apartment with two other dudes.

Speaker 1 Jen, I'm on 81st and Broadway right now. Oh, no way.
No way. Anyway, who cares? Way.
So

Speaker 2 that's a nice apartment. Is that your apartment?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's brand new. And all he does is watch TV in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you do this. Now you're living there.
You're living in New York and

Speaker 1 you're doing Law and Order. You're doing Spin City.

Speaker 1 Kind of go back and watch your Spin City episode. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 I'm shocked that you haven't. I know.
I know. And then, and then, where does Alias fall into all of this? Like, well, sorry, you meet J.J.
Abrams because you do Felicity.

Speaker 2 Yes. So a few years go by, and I had been working probably seven years by the time I met JJ and did Felicity and Alias.

Speaker 1 And how'd you meet JJ?

Speaker 2 I just auditioned for Felicity for a guest spot.

Speaker 1 Oh, gotcha. Wow.
And then it was like he remembered you. But I had heard, and JJ's a friend of the show, so he's listening.
I had heard that you

Speaker 1 that he wrote Alias with you in mind.

Speaker 2 He did. I know.
Isn't that cool? He gave it to me and I stood in one spot in my kitchen and read the pilot. I didn't even move.
I was so it was, it's still, I think it's, it's the best pilot, I think.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. He's such an incredible director, too.

Speaker 1 God turns out. And such a great, it is a great pilot.
And it was, and it was a, it was a great show, and you were great on it. And I.
I look at just his general energy. I mean, it's pretty infectious.

Speaker 1 It's so positive. Yeah.
He's he's gives you his full attention. He's super sincere.

Speaker 1 I just,

Speaker 1 there's not a lot like that. And is that where you met our lovely Victor Garber that we have in common?

Speaker 2 Yes, that is where I met our lovely Victor Garber. Although I'd been a big fan of his, I'd seen him in art.
I'd seen him in

Speaker 2 the one with Billy Krudup that started with an A at Lincoln Center. It's, you know, the one I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Arcadia?

Speaker 2 Arcadia. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Whenever we have dinner, whenever Victor and I go out to dinner, he's a very close friend of both yours and mine.

Speaker 1 And I'll. He was at your premiere party or your opening night.
Yes, he was at the premiere. Opening night.
And

Speaker 1 anytime we go out to dinner, I'll always say super, super loud, oh my God, were you in Titanic?

Speaker 1 And everybody looks and he's, you motherfucker, fuck you, buddy.

Speaker 1 You fucking asshole. Is everyone's looking for Leonardo DiCaprio? Did you guys see him in Godspell?

Speaker 1 Yes. With Martin Short and every other Canadian actor.

Speaker 1 Every Canadian actor.

Speaker 2 And they're all still super close, that entire cast.

Speaker 2 Really, it's like 40 years later.

Speaker 1 I love that. Wait, am I showing my dumbness by wondering why would they all be Canadians?

Speaker 2 It all really started.

Speaker 2 So Godspell was this thing on Broadway. It was a huge sensation.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, Jen, Jen, before, I hate to interrupt you, but I have to, Jason, we've had at least five members of that production on the podcast who have talked about the fact that they were all in that production.

Speaker 1 No recollection at all. I just thought maybe Godspell was written by a Canadian.
It's a Canadian story. And no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jesus. Jesus, it turns out, was a Canadian.

Speaker 2 Everyone knew it.

Speaker 1 So, wait, Jesus is in Godspell? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Godspell's not one word.

Speaker 1 Or is it two words? How do you spell? How do you spell God?

Speaker 1 G-A-W-D. Oh, my God.
Victor. And, you know, I used to see Victor, too, back in the alias days through Bradley.
All the time, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we would have dinner out on the west side with that little me and the rest of the cast of alias all the time because Bradley was on alias.

Speaker 1 I felt like a sort of an eighth member of the cast, if you will. You were.
No, you won't. You won't.
No, you won't.

Speaker 1 So, so Alias comes about. And then I remember at the time when Alias came out, and it was so good, and it was so kick-ass, and

Speaker 1 there was so much written about, first of all, you just, you were the lead of this show and you were a kick-ass lead too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you, you just kind of, it's like you were shot out of a cannon and you were beating fools up and knocking people out and karate chopping heads and doing shit and like all this spy stuff.

Speaker 1 And I remember the stories about you, your training regimen and how insane it was at the time. I still think about it to this day sometimes.

Speaker 1 I'm going to admit to you something.

Speaker 1 I think about it sometimes when I think about getting up and working out before work

Speaker 1 and I'll think about you, the stories of you are embedded in my mind and I don't know you working out before doing alias. I swear to God.
That is really wait.

Speaker 1 You would work out before shooting 12 hours a day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would because

Speaker 2 Carl Lumley, who was on the show, I started saying like, it's so hard for me to keep a workout. Our hours were so insane.

Speaker 2 And I said, and I need to be warmed up and I just can't seem to get it all done. And he

Speaker 2 is such a stately, gorgeous man, and a theater actor, and somebody I just respect so much. And at the time, like, I had all these.
I had Ron, I had Victor, and I had Carl all on the show.

Speaker 2 So I was looking up to them so much for anything. And Carl said, you can always do half an hour.
You just set your clock, just get up and do it. You can always do it.
And so

Speaker 2 from that day, I was just like, oh, okay, then I will.

Speaker 2 And so just no matter what, I would crank my clock earlier, 345, you know, I would go, I would do anything to show up to work warmed up because there was so much action and I never, I didn't know what, when things were going to happen.

Speaker 2 And I just, I wanted to be ready for whatever.

Speaker 2 Now I don't do that.

Speaker 1 Now

Speaker 2 like a six and an occasional five, but I don't, you know, not really.

Speaker 1 But isn't it depressing how much harder it is to stay in shape shape as we get older? I mean, it's almost like it doubles the amount of time you have to spend at it almost every day.

Speaker 2 I remember you solidly running six or seven miles every day.

Speaker 1 Never, and it never helped. Never helped.
It's still running like I'm being chased.

Speaker 2 I also remember you spinning upside down in a car and just losing it.

Speaker 1 And then you, I remember you, who were you pregnant with when you threw up?

Speaker 1 Was it Violet?

Speaker 2 No. Me?

Speaker 2 I was nursing. That was the issue.
It was so hot where we were shooting the kingdom.

Speaker 2 Like we were in Arizona, and it was August and September, and 120 on asphalt, and we were wearing big boots and hats and bulletproof vests.

Speaker 2 And we, I went, that's the only time, knock on wood, I've ever had to go to the hospital during shooting. I would get so dizzy, I couldn't see.
And I was nursing. I should have, you know.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 But on your Instagram, I see like you working out all the time. It's so inspiring.
Like, first of all,

Speaker 1 you're a mom. You work constantly.
You work out, you're doing all these things. I see you do so many things.
Like, is there, I ask this question a lot because I find it fascinating.

Speaker 1 Is there a thing or a person that inspired you to be ambitious and

Speaker 1 to have this drive? Like, where does that come from to just do all of these things?

Speaker 2 I don't know, but don't you feel like you get older and you look around and there are people you admire and just like that moment with Carl, like something just like makes you realize, oh, I can do that.

Speaker 2 I can reach for that. I can go harder.
I can reach for that. I can be more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why not you? Jen, you're my Carl. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 2 Oh, good. I'm so glad.
I'll see you at, let's set the alarm. Let's FaceTime.
You could do it.

Speaker 1 So when you were younger, was there like a family member or a person where you just like something clicked in your head and you're like, wait a minute, I like how they live their life.

Speaker 1 I like how they kind of make the decisions they've made.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know. I have pretty great parents.
Like they just.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you find that your children are as motivated as you were were at that age?

Speaker 2 They are, each of them in their own ways. The hard thing is that you think it's going to be your ways.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 their ways are things I could never do and

Speaker 1 are

Speaker 2 they're amazing, but they are not, they keep forgetting to be me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Do you, well, they, cause it is fun watching. Like, do you find, do you, well, Sean, do you find your dad?

Speaker 1 Oh, period. Stop.
Seriously. Sorry, that was just it.

Speaker 1 Just that one question. Sorry.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 No, but it is funny watching our kids,

Speaker 1 and this kind of goes out to everybody, like watching our kids have go about it a different way than we went about it.

Speaker 1 And I constantly find myself wanting to say, like,

Speaker 1 hey, man, maybe if you, and then I just go, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay. He's going to do it his own way.
I'm just here to kind of act as bumpers on either side to keep them within a certain range.

Speaker 1 Well, that's interesting, though, because

Speaker 1 of the way

Speaker 1 we were raised, and my dad left early, that old story. Because of that, my two brothers who have kids are phenomenal dads.
Wow. They're amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, it doesn't always go that way, though.

Speaker 1 That's right. But I mean, that was the inspiration to be a great dad.
Can I tell you something that happened the other night that I found really nice? I was with

Speaker 1 Jason and Amanda and Maple,

Speaker 1 who's 11 now, Mape, right? Yeah. And we were just talking about something, and Mape was so honest and comfortable in this way.
And whatever, we all spend a lot of time.

Speaker 1 So when she told you to shut your mouth. When she said, shut your shut your stupid mouth, your stupid Canadian mouth.
Yeah, you were saying something dumb.

Speaker 1 And I've been trying to keep from her that I'm Canadian for a long time. No, but she said,

Speaker 1 we started talking about something, and she was really candid with you guys and with us

Speaker 1 in this way that felt that I really

Speaker 1 I kind of loved it was such a reflection of you and Amanda and I love seeing that in kids when they feel this level of comfort to share and be able to speak openly I think that's so important really rare and it was and it was it was really heartwarming yeah well that's yeah that's it thank you for saying that I I'm always surprised at how little children

Speaker 1 really take from the parents this whole question of nature versus nurture and I think I've hammered this one before but you know for that, whenever somebody says something nice about my kids, it's my instinct to deflect anyway.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I do think it is them. It is nature.
It's not nurture. I think you can affect your kid probably 5% left or right, you know, but for the most part, you get what you get.

Speaker 1 Cause like, you know, Jen, I'm sure you've got, you've got, you've got three to compare against.

Speaker 1 I've only got two where they're same parents, same, same roof, same upbringing, and they're wildly different. So there it is, you know, it's, it's, so it's not that important.

Speaker 2 And from from the minute they were born, too. Like their personalities were already intact.

Speaker 1 That's why I don't have kids. I don't want to wake up in the middle of the night and have them killing me.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
You could have an axe murderer and you'd have nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Sean recognizes that if he had other, that they would want to kill him. And I think that that is a great remote.
That's probably true.

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Speaker 1 Now that we're on this, what do you find it has... What do you find challenging as a parent? And I know the list is long because

Speaker 1 I have three kids as well, but doing what you do. And again, our jobs are no, lots of people have very busy jobs no matter what it is you do.

Speaker 1 If you work in an office or you work outside or whatever it is you do. But what do you, what are the challenges that you find?

Speaker 2 Our job is just a selfish job, honestly. Yeah.
You know, it's really, it's not, it's, even in the best of circumstances, we're really like, well, it's all about me right now.

Speaker 2 I'm in production and I've got to go to bed or I've got to, I can't be there because my production, this, my, you know, and it's like,

Speaker 2 that's not the way and the travel and that's not the way kids lives work if something is happening for them it's happening for them and you're missing it and that's that's basically it um

Speaker 2 so there's so much i mean there's so much challenging like teenagers and what they all have to absorb and go through and you know if you like when i go to my kids schools and i'm there i have three kids at three schools

Speaker 2 and when i go and i see the energy swirling around and the kids chattering and arguing and back and forth and what's important and like struggling for hierarchy i just think, oh my gosh, it's so exhausting.

Speaker 2 I forget what they've been through by the time they come home every day.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 What do you do about the social media stuff? This goes out again to everybody, but Jen, what do you do about the social media stuff with your kids? Because I find it challenging. Well,

Speaker 2 so far, and I say, because it feels like

Speaker 2 there's judgment inherent in what I'm saying, and there isn't. It's just so far, I have not, I don't have kids on social media, like traditional Instagram, TikTok, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 I don't know totally everything they're on. So,

Speaker 2 you know, I could be totally wrong. They do.

Speaker 1 There's some workarounds there.

Speaker 2 There are plenty of workarounds, but they're not checking for likes and they're not posting themselves.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 I think, you know, your rules are very different for your first than they are for your third.

Speaker 2 So don't hold me to it, but that is kind of my goal. I just say to them, guys, show me the evidence that it's good for a teenage brain.
Just show it to me.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, some people say, well, my kids really, that's how they converse. They converse over Snapchat or whatever.
So far, I've been able to avoid it.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we'll just keep down that, you know, and Ben and I are on the same page about it. We'll just keep down that road as best we can.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
We're trying for the same thing or sort of a limited version

Speaker 1 of it all.

Speaker 1 I want to go back to for a second, because, you know, one of my stock questions, the theater, I need like a terrible theater story that you have, like a favorite, horrible something that went wrong, or a horrible like set that something happened on a set.

Speaker 1 Mostly theater stories. It's just looking at checkboxes here.
Or any kind of personal tragedy. Any sort of personal, big regret, something embarrassing.

Speaker 1 No, I like, I think theater stories are theater stories that go wrong or hysterical. Unearthed trauma would be super relatable.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, I run when I, like, I basically, my instinct, like, I just have a lot of error. And so I'd run onto stage, or I run, you know, like, I just do.
So, um,

Speaker 2 I was doing Cyrano at the Richard Rogers with Mr. Klein, Kevin Klein.
It was, it was heaven. It was wonderful.

Speaker 2 But I got into a spell where I fell at some point every night. And there was this, the back, the upstage was this huge staircase that was like two stories straight down, fully exposed.

Speaker 2 And I would come like,

Speaker 2 like like really fast it was so fun oh joe

Speaker 2 and the last 10 steps

Speaker 2 on the elbow or I would fall in the fifth act or I'd fall at the curtain call I just once you once I started I couldn't get my feet back under me and people would say to me hey I saw you in Sierra No oh man you were amazing you know I was there the night you fell

Speaker 1 did you start padding up

Speaker 2 I mean I should have you know when like when stunt doubles take a stairfall and they're like, well, I put a powder puff under my wig.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Now, did you, did you end up coming up with a funny line at the bottom of your tuck and roll every night?

Speaker 2 No, because

Speaker 2 it was so serious. You can't, you know, you just have to.

Speaker 1 It's so serious.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Syriano, yes. I want to know about Jen.
I love that you mentioned Kevin Klein. He's one of those guys that I've always admired and think is so great.
What was that like? I've never

Speaker 1 been close to the guy and I've just,

Speaker 1 I don't think any of us have. Have you guys ever seen him out? Never, not once.
And I lived in New York for 20 years. I never saw him.

Speaker 2 He lives way up on the Upper East Side.

Speaker 2 He's still, he's married to Phoebe Kate.

Speaker 1 I've never seen them out.

Speaker 2 They are, they're like king and queen of their neighborhood. He has a big show on Apple coming out, I think, that they shot in London.
Anyway.

Speaker 2 He is the most literate. He's one of those people that is just always taking in art.
He's always reading.

Speaker 2 There's always a play in his, in his back pocket or something. There's just, he's always taking in poetry and using it as a reference and it makes you kind of panic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You gotta get on the show. Of course he is.
No wait. He's my

Speaker 1 gent. With everything that you've done, everything that you accomplished, is there something, is there a role or a thing or something you're like, you know what? I've always wanted blank.

Speaker 1 I've never gotten it. I still want it.

Speaker 2 This was kind of it, guys. You know, I'm a friend of the pod.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. This was kind of it.
I'm a listener.

Speaker 2 Oh, guys, when you had that

Speaker 2 Simon Simon.

Speaker 1 LeBon? Yeah. Labon from Dreadra.
That was cool. I know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's very cool. He's very cool.
It's like that Chris Farley Saturday Night Live talk show. Hey, when you guys had

Speaker 1 Diana, that was cool.

Speaker 2 No, you know what? When my kids go to college, I keep,

Speaker 2 you know, I feel like it's healthy to have something you're looking forward to besides just panicking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I think I want to go to New York and try to be, you know, there's always like a little old lady in a musical.

Speaker 1 That's my dream. When the girls go off to college, it's time to go to New York and try theater.
Do it. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 2 I'll see you there. What do you want to do? I'll do it.
Let's do it together.

Speaker 1 We'll just do, we'll start with love letters.

Speaker 1 That would be great. Right.
Sean, is that the best?

Speaker 1 Why don't you reimagine the odd couple as just a girl and a guy instead of two guys? I'm not Rappaport. I'm not Rappaport.

Speaker 2 We could call Pete Burke. He could direct us.

Speaker 1 Direct us and the odd couple. Could you imagine? It becomes War of the Roses.
We blow up the whole stage.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, Jen, when did you do the app? Sorry to switch.
When did you do the Apple TV, Your Limited series that you produced, too?

Speaker 2 What was that? A year ago, right now. It was in production.

Speaker 2 The last thing he told me.

Speaker 2 The last thing he told me, out now on Apple TV Plus.

Speaker 1 It's out now.

Speaker 2 Yes, it is out right now. We shot it a year ago here in la with a sometime in austin and sometime in sausalito how'd you like austin

Speaker 2 i love austin austin's just what a beautiful city it's it's so cool and then you have the everyone's drawn to the lake and it's so nice i sorry i just got to say just because i keep austin weird anyway um

Speaker 1 getting paid by the chamber of commerce there people used to have those bumper stickers i mean i'm i'm really dating myself as an old general it was poor

Speaker 2 Yeah, they still, the bumper stickers are still a thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But good callback. Great job.

Speaker 1 So old. I'm such an old.

Speaker 1 All my musical, I'm just like to realize that I'm old. Jen, do any of the kids want to want to go into this business?

Speaker 1 Have you got a sense of it?

Speaker 2 I think we may have one, but I don't know if that child knows it yet, so I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 And how do you feel about that? Will you be encouraging if and when the light shines on him or her?

Speaker 2 What about you, Jason? What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 I know. I feel like

Speaker 1 Franny's starting to get interested in directing, which is really exciting to me. That's really cool.
So we're like watching movies together and talking about all that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like how my dad and I were. I know, just like about a year ago, right? Or you know Franny's life.

Speaker 1 Maple, I think, is interested maybe in acting, but neither one is like, you know,

Speaker 1 frothing at the mouth, super passionate about it.

Speaker 1 I'm not a big fan of kids going into this business only because you could spend all of that time studying for a career where if you're the best at it, you're guaranteed employment.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 And this is not that. Or any form of the arts, pardon the term,

Speaker 1 it's also

Speaker 1 objective.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. It's tough.

Speaker 1 It's a tough business to make a business.

Speaker 2 You certainly can't say no if they become adults, and that's correct.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'll be encouraging if they're overwhelmed with

Speaker 1 desire for it.

Speaker 2 But at kids acting

Speaker 1 little kids on set i don't know well that's the other weird part for me too it's sort of heady where you're trying to train yourself to be other people at a time when you're learning who you are yeah and it's it's kind of heady profound yeah it kind of messed me up a little bit yeah i never thought of that it's it should be done a little bit later i think do you feel like sometimes you're like am i a werewolf am i a werewolf also

Speaker 1 yeah listen when i don't when i don't shave when i don't shave every other day it just starts or i let my nails grow. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, just scrape the play a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it is a little schizophrenic, definitely.

Speaker 1 Thanks for bringing it down. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's just take a break.

Speaker 1 She also told, so we're going down the Tignataro highlight reel. She was told this great story the other day.
She went to a party, a bunch of people she didn't know,

Speaker 1 and she came out on the second-story balcony, and she just screamed downstairs to a bunch of partygoers that she didn't know. They didn't know her.
She just said, hey, guys, sorry, excuse me.

Speaker 1 Hi, you up here. I just want you guys to know I'm going to bed in like 10 minutes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And they just went back into the upstairs balcony.

Speaker 1 And everybody's like looking at each other.

Speaker 1 She and her friend, well, she and her friend, who is she talking about this? She and her friend were doing what they call party bits.

Speaker 1 And she agreed to go to this party into the into this house of somebody she didn't know.

Speaker 1 And she would walk into the kitchen and just kind of like slap the wall and go like, hey guys they're like six people in the kids hey guys I'm probably gonna turn in in about 10 minutes and they're all like

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 okay by the way such a fucking God Sean how fun is that

Speaker 1 that's such a good bit

Speaker 1 what are the other bits I want to know where I want to do the thing where I want to drive around all the fancy neighborhoods in Los Angeles like Beverly Hills and Bel Air and then like drive up to like crews who are like gardening and stuff and go hey guys you can knock off for the day yeah and then drive and then just be like

Speaker 1 don't worry about the front guys. Don't worry about it.
I talked to the guy. You guys are good to go.
And start rapping crews who are doing work as if you live there. Yeah, as if I lived there.

Speaker 2 That's a good party bet.

Speaker 1 Not bad.

Speaker 1 Jen, what's the rest of your day today?

Speaker 1 You're not working on something, are you?

Speaker 2 No, I'm not working on anything. No, what is my day?

Speaker 2 I'm going to.

Speaker 1 I worked out at 3 a.m.

Speaker 2 I worked out this morning. And actually,

Speaker 2 I actually have a boxing session after this.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I work out all the time.

Speaker 2 I box at Pete's gym.

Speaker 1 Do you really?

Speaker 1 Is he still going in there? This is Pete Berg. He still goes in there.

Speaker 1 Who's Pete Berg? Peter Berg is an actor, director, director. Oh, Peter Berg.
Yeah. I was like,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 has been ripped to shreds for years.

Speaker 1 He's always an incredible boy.

Speaker 2 He can really box.

Speaker 1 He can, right? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he can really box.

Speaker 1 I boxed this morning, and then my 14-year-old has just started boxing at a gym. I'd rather play rock and sock them.

Speaker 1 Oh, remember that. Remember? Remember that? Yeah.
Sean, what time are you working out today? And be honest. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Look around. Look around all weeks.
Look around.

Speaker 2 So, wait, today's Tuesday. You have a show tonight, yeah?

Speaker 1 No, we're off Mondays and Tuesdays.

Speaker 2 So do you have two on Saturday, two on Sunday?

Speaker 1 Are you doing seven? We're doing seven, yeah.

Speaker 2 Gosh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's really, really nice. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, what's normal? Eight.
Eight. And where's the eighth show? On a Tuesday night? Eight Tuesday.
Yeah, it It would normally be tonight, Tuesday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But we don't. Yeah.
I guess. That's really nice.
It's really nice. Actually, it feels like you have a weekend.
Jen, what are you and Jason? What are you in Jason?

Speaker 1 When you and Jason do your show on Broadway, when you guys move to New York,

Speaker 1 let Jason get into the deal because you guys would be on four shows a week.

Speaker 2 Oh, I know. We're going to do only matinees.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah, I heard, I don't know if this is true, but I heard Dolly Parton, somebody came up to Dolly Parton, asked her if she wanted to do some big musical.
I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 1 And she said, sure, I'll do four shows a week. They're like, no, wouldn't you do, wouldn't you say yes to Dolly Parton? Yes, Dolly Party

Speaker 1 buy a ticket, even if it's four shows a week. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I would buy a ticket for the show I don't go to just to have the ticket to go to Dolly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you ever go to Dollywood?

Speaker 1 Is that West Virginia?

Speaker 2 No, it's in Tennessee. It's in Tennessee.
It is so, it's so great. All the rocks have Dolly music, playing Dolly's music everywhere you go.

Speaker 1 Rocks have speakers.

Speaker 2 Those rocks have speakers. It was the first time I'd ever seen that.
And I was like, the rocks are singing dolly parton um

Speaker 2 and i took my grandmother xy may and i hoisted her up over a

Speaker 2 like a merry-go-round horse and i just i can't believe i did it now thinking back like i'm so glad i didn't break that little lady but xy may was in heaven all right so after boxing today where there's then i would imagine you're going to pick up at least one of those kids Well, yeah, I've got to pick up some kids.

Speaker 2 I have this little company called Once Upon a Farm.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
Yeah. So tell us what that's

Speaker 1 about. Tell me about that.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's it's actually it's awesome. It is this all super clean super organic kids and babies food and it is

Speaker 2 pureed and it's cold pressed. So it's not it's not like garbage.
Yeah, it's not garbage. There's no sugar added.
There's nothing added. It's just pure

Speaker 1 all of that, but I would put the sugar in it. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 You actually, you don't need it because it's all fresh and it's not cooked down. So it has to be.
You have sweetened low, though.

Speaker 2 He just loves sweeten low and then you you could add a little sweeten low if you want it in a blender

Speaker 1 and then he'd add he'd add some Reese's peanut butter what is it this is sweeten low right oh there's sweeten low

Speaker 1 scotty

Speaker 1 good to see you sweet and low that's a great nickname for

Speaker 1 all right so you're gonna go you're gonna go and work so I have that I have that stuff today I have calls and stuff like that all right but wait let's get I want trying to get to the evening time and I want to know I like do I like asking this what do you curl up and watch that you're a little bit embarrassed that you're watching?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, um, well, not because it's a bad show, but

Speaker 2 I mean, I still watch Seinfeld pretty much all the time, but that's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's just that I've seen them all a thousand.
Um, but I'm watching Diplomat.

Speaker 1 Oh, I heard Carrie Russell. Yeah,

Speaker 1 oh, I heard that's really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, that's on Felicity. What's that on?

Speaker 2 The Amazon Netflix, it's on the Netflix.

Speaker 1 On the Netflix, very nice.

Speaker 2 Um, the kids and I are about to start jury duty. We just need to get someone in the house past AP exams, and then we're going to go to the next one.

Speaker 1 I hear that's good. That's got

Speaker 1 jury duty's a show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's James. Marsden.
James Marston.

Speaker 1 James Marsden. That's right.
He's really the only one who knows what's going on. And the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 So they all know.

Speaker 2 He's just playing himself as like a, he's playing a bratty actor. He was prepping for it.
We shot Party Down together at the beginning of last year, and he was getting ready for it.

Speaker 2 And he was like, what am I going into? This is, this is going to be a disaster. And is it ethically okay to be messing with this person?

Speaker 2 And there's one person who thinks he's just part of a documentary and has no idea that everyone else isn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it sounds really cool. They just think they're on jury duty.
He thinks that they're making a documentary about this particular trial, and he's the only person, and everything else is made up. Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 And that's good for kids, kids, and adults.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know that it's appropriate for kids, but I feel like my kids have probably been exposed to plenty.

Speaker 1 Even Sam's watching the

Speaker 1 R-rated movies now. My 11-year-old is at times.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think from time to time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it squeaks through there. But you know what? Now, do you curse in front of the kids? I find that I'm starting to get very, very loose.
Very loosey-ducey. Yeah.
I don't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Purpose? Or you just don't curse?

Speaker 1 Do you curse a lot? You don't seem like you do.

Speaker 2 I learned to curse.

Speaker 2 I didn't used to, but I can.

Speaker 2 And I do. I mean, maybe occasionally something slips out, but I really don't want them to curse in front of me because I feel like

Speaker 2 you need to know that there are grown-ups, you talk a certain way around, or that you behave a certain way around, and it might as well be me.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I really love that. You're a good mom.
Yeah. I don't know.
You're a really good mom. You know what you're doing? And you also have a busy day, and we've taken up way too much of your time.

Speaker 1 Way too much of your time.

Speaker 1 You have so many things to go do, more important than talking to us.

Speaker 1 But what an absolutely. We started our day with a new

Speaker 1 big

Speaker 1 shot of sunshine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Jen.

Speaker 2 At least I didn't show you my bad hair. I can't see.

Speaker 1 Let's take a look. Let's take a look.

Speaker 1 How can it be bad? It's long. Let's take a look.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 We're going to.

Speaker 1 Do you have a scrunchie on your wrist?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've got to be ready.

Speaker 1 I like to do a scrunchie. I'm always doing scrunchy bits.
Oh, yeah. Look at it.
Watch him do a scrunchie bit and then you just yeah my hair and then he's ready to go and then ready to go

Speaker 1 and then stretch out the ponytail you stretch it out no i always take yeah you do this i'm always doing this with it you know like you're doing

Speaker 1 this and then get it hey guys um did anybody see where i part where my hair where i left my hair spray i love when i love sean will pick up somebody's purse uh at a party and just throw it over your shoulder you go guys anybody need anything from cvs yeah just run i'm just running to see and which way is out is it that way?

Speaker 1 How do I know that?

Speaker 1 Also, anytime there's a candle anywhere on a table or whatever, Sean always grabs the candle and then he shield the wind from the front of it. Shields the wind.
And I go, guys,

Speaker 1 which way is that?

Speaker 1 Stay

Speaker 1 with the candles.

Speaker 1 We've now truly wasted your time. I've learned so much.

Speaker 2 Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Jen. No, we are.
Thank you, Jennifer Garner. We love you.
Thank you, Jennifer Garner. Love you.
Let's adore all of you. Thank you so much.
Love you. I adore you.

Speaker 1 Last thing you told me on Apple Plus with Jennifer Garner, go and watch it immediately. yeah do the right thing do the right thing bye bye

Speaker 1 guys how did you feel i feel like i got a i got a i got a personality shower yeah i feel better i'm all clean speaking to a flower who is just yeah easy breezy lovely you know gorgeous fun funny talented brighten the day she made me feel better yeah she made the day better you know i imdbed her page while we were talking it's unbelievable like she has 8 000 credits yeah she's been at it for quite some time.

Speaker 1 Like, remember 13 Going on 30, which we didn't even ask her about. Yes, 13 Going on 30.
That was the movie I was thinking about. She did with Ruffalo, right?

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah. Is that right? Yeah.
What about dresses? Wasn't there a bunch of dresses? Did she do that one? 19 dresses? 21 dresses? I don't know. 17, 25 dresses.
No, that was.

Speaker 1 Remember, she was in Dallas Buyers Club? She was Dallas Buyers Club. Oh, my God, she was.
13 Going on 30. I'm pretty sure it was.
Yes, a Ruffalo.

Speaker 1 The listener doesn't want to hear us going down her W I am W. Well, I just looked it up.
I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 No, she's done so much. And she's always so,

Speaker 1 I always feel like she's one of those people,

Speaker 1 whatever she's in, whether it's in a movie or on TV or at something or even on a commercial, you're always like, boy, I'm delighted to see Jenny. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 One of America's sweethearts. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Even if she's asking me what's in my wallet, she's brightening up my commercial break. It's true.
I know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she does a bunch of those things. And

Speaker 1 it's so delightful. And that's almost, I don't mean.
She's got that thing, that it thing that everybody talks about. We're like, you look at her, you're like, exactly.

Speaker 1 I don't want to ask you to sound condescending. No, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, you wanted, like, I want to talk to Jennifer Garner. I feel like my day would feel better.
That's what we just did.

Speaker 1 But conversely, you know, it would be awesome is to see her in some gnarly dramatic part where she's just fucking ripping somebody apart.

Speaker 1 You son of a bitch. You just unleashing.
I wonder if she's, I bet she's got that.

Speaker 1 Why? Well, it's just to see, like to see an actor go from, you know, zero to a hundred, right? I don't know. Sometimes absolutely.
I don't know if everybody needs to do everything to do the thing.

Speaker 1 Like, be good at the thing you're good at. Well, put it this way:

Speaker 1 can you imagine her in a bad mood? No. Right? So, wouldn't it be fun in a character, in a part, to see her just like

Speaker 1 it'd be like so like shocking yeah for sure yeah yeah like me like like if you were were to see me in a part just being super nice and genuine to somebody i wouldn't believe

Speaker 1 i wouldn't believe it for a second well but but but but but if i was doing a good job it would be nice they'd give you an oscar if you did that

Speaker 1 you you'd immediately you'd get a lifetime achievement award for that

Speaker 1 that's her tricks i wouldn't believe it yeah you know what i mean

Speaker 1 i would say i i would say like when she when i see her here oh boy here

Speaker 1 I can see you coming from a mile away. Because, you know why? Because it always starts opening.
Sends up a fire. Can I say her? Here comes the bye.
Because if I find,

Speaker 1 if, if I find for her, can I find her? Well, I never, whenever I see her. I never.
Scotty and I find popping.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute. Why don't we just, why don't we just go back? Start again.

Speaker 1 Why don't we just go back to saying goodbye? Why don't we just say, hey, what a great show. I'll see you guys later.
Never happens. Bye.
Why don't we do that?

Speaker 1 So when I see Jennifer coming towards me, I always want to say hi. I never want to say.

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