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Speaker 3 Well, welcome.

Speaker 4 This is a very, very special, nerve-wracking, odd,

Speaker 4 unique, incredible episode. This is amazing.

Speaker 2 And why?

Speaker 1 Let's just say at the top, why, and then I want to get into that.

Speaker 4 Well, they know, because by this point, they know that the President of the United States is approaching the.

Speaker 1 Okay, so talk to me about coming here and getting here because I got here an hour earlier because I thought it was going to be massive traffic and blah, blah, blah. And so, and it's

Speaker 5 the steps you take to get through with your car was mindful of.

Speaker 4 Well, you also had some flares on your record. You had to get here an an hour.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you had a few

Speaker 4 bunch of questions for you.

Speaker 2 Right, right. You had a few things.

Speaker 4 Will and I just got to roll up, get the mirrors underneath the car.

Speaker 1 And that's it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had the dog sniffing all parts of me.

Speaker 2 Oh, and wait, so no, but the, but the.

Speaker 2 By the way, one of the guys doing the, this is true, doing the check on the, the security check on the car says to Jason, like, hey, man, big fan.

Speaker 2 And then he sort of leaned in, and then he was just out of earshot, Jason, looks at me and goes, nothing for you. Nothing for you.

Speaker 2 He actually leaned down and look who was riding shotgun and then just kept walking no he didn't but he said nothing jason goes nothing for you

Speaker 2 imagine you know

Speaker 4 and then the guy walked back and i thought oh is he as huge he's he's placed the face he's going to come back

Speaker 4 and the guy said and just keep your windows rolled down going forward

Speaker 2 yep and it was and it was it was a great moment it was a great moment and then and then the next guy said

Speaker 2 he said to me he was a big fan of uh of murderville but he didn't say murderville he said of your improv.

Speaker 2 And then he said, oh, and then he looked at him, Jason goes, I love Ozark, to which I said, is that still on the air? Because it's been a minute, right?

Speaker 4 And then we approached the woman with the bullhorn out there

Speaker 4 yelling protests, and she gave me an earfall. So we're at a hotel in Los Angeles because

Speaker 2 let's definitely be cagey about it because they're going to come after us now a few after we've already done weeks after our future. No, but I mean, just for the future, we should.

Speaker 4 But for the future, it might be a hotspot then.

Speaker 2 Oh, you think that people can't clue into the fact that the president's here?

Speaker 2 What gave it away? The beast out parked in the middle of Hill Guard?

Speaker 2 What are you doing there? 75 trucks outside. Did you guys just come fresh from, were you just lobotomized? From dumbland? You're so nervous.

Speaker 2 Rise to the moment.

Speaker 2 I'm up. I'm in.
I'm in. Well, this is exciting.

Speaker 1 The president of the United States is our guest today.

Speaker 4 Which is absolutely

Speaker 4 a small little humble review on what the hell is going on.

Speaker 1 I mean, mean, when you're a kid and you watch TV and you see, oh my god, there's the president, and then you learn about history, and you're like, oh my God, I fast-forward to this moment right now.

Speaker 1 It's kind of mind-blowing and I'm very nervous.

Speaker 4 I was feeling really, really good about us. And then I saw he did an exclusive with Tapper yesterday.
And I'm like, well, fucking Tapper got him. I mean, maybe this isn't that big of a deal.

Speaker 2 Well, Tapper's a bit of a heat-seeking miscellaneous thing.

Speaker 2 Maybe isn't a big, as big as it's kind of huge.

Speaker 4 No, old Tap Shoes deserves it.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 2 we do. I mean, he's a friend of the show, but

Speaker 4 this is undoubtedly, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 We have the presentation.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you this? I told my dad that we were doing this. Me too.
And how'd you do that?

Speaker 2 What'd you do? Put a message in the bottle and throw it in Lake Michigan?

Speaker 4 Hoping he drives his power boat by it.

Speaker 2 Hoping that one of his kids from his new family picks it it up.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 2 My dad was so impressed, and he was so blown away.

Speaker 2 There's very few things, and you know, you get to do a lot of cool things in what we do.

Speaker 2 And my dad said, I was like, oh, when I said, yeah, you know, we're interviewing the president, he said, really?

Speaker 2 Like in this way of like, you? Yeah. And

Speaker 2 like, I got to start listening to this.

Speaker 2 And I get it. And it is.
I mean, who is this? First of all, for you guys, all jokes aside, I wasn't born in this country, but I could appreciate it.

Speaker 2 But as young, as Americans who have come, this has got to be a great moment for you.

Speaker 1 Well, this is unbelievable. Because it is for me.

Speaker 2 This is unbelievable. And I'm a new American.

Speaker 1 I mean, but just aside from this podcast, it's like, I get to meet the president of the United States. Like, it's insane.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's so crazy. We started this thing as just a completely, you know, remote kind of situation where we stayed in contact and now we are.

Speaker 2 And try to make Sean feel better because he was so depressed. Exactly.
Oh, exactly. He's still working on it.

Speaker 4 But now we are, for the first time, in person, and we're not in our pajamas.

Speaker 2 I know. We're like in nice clothes.

Speaker 4 Stuff that needs to be returned by noon tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Jason asked me if I tucked the tags in.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 for good reason.

Speaker 2 Little baby screw up.

Speaker 4 Oh, guys, tighten up. Tighten up.
I think I see some people coming in.

Speaker 2 Okay, all right, listener.

Speaker 4 Listener, next time we talk to you, we're going to be in the midst.

Speaker 2 It's still us, but we are going to be acting a little weird because obviously, right, it's weirder than right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, can you feel the nervous energy, listener? So sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm actually really, honestly, truly nervous.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, me too.

Speaker 4 All right, all right. Let's tighten up and we'll talk to you in a second when

Speaker 2 we come back on an all-new,

Speaker 2 very special

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Speaker 2 Smart.

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Speaker 2 You're making me famous with my granddaughters, you guys.

Speaker 1 This is wild. This is unbelievable for all of us.
So thank you for being here. It's such an honor.

Speaker 2 Thank you. No, no, it's an honor to be on.
I mean, what you guys did to lift people's spirits is important.

Speaker 6 Well, thanks. We've had a tough time.

Speaker 4 And we're surprised that just our silly little chit-chats are making people grin. But I guess we'll just keep at it because a smile is always worth it, especially nowadays.

Speaker 2 And we often have a lot of, you know, we started by getting a lot of our friends on here and people who are performers and people who are in.

Speaker 2 And so Sean won't be able to ask his normal question: Do you have any great theater?

Speaker 2 I got a lot of great theater. Okay, right.

Speaker 2 I know Trump.

Speaker 2 that's the best theater ever

Speaker 2 hey beauty

Speaker 1 before we start i don't have a question i just want to say a thank you for something and i have to read a quote that you you said almost 10 years ago and now that i you're sitting in front of me and it's such an honor and i'm shaking a little bit but you said a lot of that's the sugar a lot of that's the sugar i i ate earlier i you said i think will and grace did more to educate the American public more than almost anything anybody has done so far

Speaker 1 and as much as really

Speaker 5 the challenge.

Speaker 1 Thank you. And I was sitting on the couch.
I nearly fell out of my seat.

Speaker 1 And it just meant so much to me and a million other people, millions of other people, that you recognized us and spoke up for us. So thank you.

Speaker 5 No question.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to say thank you.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, I didn't think it was a question. But look,

Speaker 2 it's the truth. You know, people are afraid what they don't know.
Yeah. And

Speaker 2 they're frightened of it. And they had images that every

Speaker 2 gay person in the world or lesbian was

Speaker 2 an extremist on everything.

Speaker 2 But it's like...

Speaker 1 We're just as boring as everybody else.

Speaker 2 That's true, by the way. I looked at that part again.
I'm not sure. Often more.
Often far more boring. No, no, but

Speaker 2 think about it.

Speaker 2 The first, you

Speaker 2 made it clear that a gay person's interest and

Speaker 2 life is not any fundamentally different. I mean, they have the same fears, concerns, ambitions, likes.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I know it's normal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and thank you for giving us the same rights as everybody else.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Sean,

Speaker 4 you clearly

Speaker 4 stated your love for Will and Grace. Now, that makes me think: what other television shows are you able to watch now that you've got a fairly busy job? Is there any TV time for you?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, the honest to God truth is, it's a joke among my granddaughters who

Speaker 2 very little.

Speaker 2 When I have time on television, what I tend to do is I tend

Speaker 2 watch sports,

Speaker 2 I watch the news.

Speaker 2 And by the way, I don't work harder, and a lot of people work a hell of a lot harder than I do. I don't know about that.
But there's just not that many hours. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 But I want to, because

Speaker 4 we're not bright enough to ask you really smart questions.

Speaker 4 I'm really, I'm such a big fan of you as just, obviously, we've never met before, although I did shake your hand on a school trip in ninth grade in Delaware, and you were very nice.

Speaker 4 But I want to know,

Speaker 4 I want to know

Speaker 4 this before class.

Speaker 4 but like, what time does the day wrap up for you?

Speaker 2 What, what, what, you go upstairs.

Speaker 2 Well, I want to know what goes on.

Speaker 2 Staff is laughing. They're behind me.

Speaker 4 But when you go upstairs, you're not lounging around in that. Is there a transition into, I'm asking, because I'm projecting, because I get in my PJs as soon as I get home.
Do you get into the PJs?

Speaker 4 You let them know what you want for dinner, and then you start watching TV with Jill?

Speaker 2 Is that what happens? That's one of the things Jill and I are working out. And I mean it sincerely.
Yeah. Jill, because she teaches full-time,

Speaker 2 is in bed by 9.30. And I used to go to bed 9.30, 10 o'clock, and we talk and people go to sleep.
I mean, we spend time together.

Speaker 2 But now I don't get back to my, even in the White House, I don't get from the Oval Office into

Speaker 2 my, in the residence until usually around 7 o'clock.

Speaker 2 We have dinner, and then I have, and I'm not, not a complaint, I give my word, but I have a briefing book that is probably 200 pages. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, a big binder like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Mine has two pages in it. And they're all doodles.
No, but worst part, you guys got to memorize your lines.

Speaker 2 But all kidding aside,

Speaker 2 so I usually get in bed around 11 o'clock. Oh, wow.
Jill gets up at 6.30. and goes worked out.
I get up at 8 o'clock and work out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but wait, I want to know, I want to know, though,

Speaker 1 is there a time that when you're exercising with Jill, is there a time where you guys can go away and shut it off and just be like, yeah, because

Speaker 2 we just have to do it because she'd worked so long as well. So we just set time

Speaker 2 and I tell Annie, who runs the show for me, and

Speaker 2 my chief of staff, I'm not doing anything. And so Jill and I, but

Speaker 2 they're getting further apart, I mean, in the sense that, but usually we try to do that.

Speaker 2 We go to Camp David or go back to our house in Delaware, which is secluded enough off the road, that we just, you know. And can you really not think about work and you really kind of calm down?

Speaker 2 Or is it always there? Yeah, no, well, there's certain things that, I mean, like with the war in Ukraine, there's a lot of real-time.

Speaker 2 But no, I'm always available.

Speaker 4 But they try to protect you. Obviously, weekends are not off, but you get to go to church on Sundays or you get to

Speaker 2 do sports money.

Speaker 2 My worst part is they kid me and everybody kids me.

Speaker 2 I'm one of those praxising Catholics. My mother would come down from heaven if I didn't.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I go to, I don't tell everybody because I'll beat it, but I go to five o'clock Mass in my local church. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or I go to, in Washington, I go over to Georgetown, the Jebbys.

Speaker 2 And I go to,

Speaker 2 well, there's a 4.30 Mass.

Speaker 2 And I go to Mass on Saturday. And then Sunday, we just

Speaker 2 try to do nothing. Yeah.
That's great to me. That's pretty good.
I think you have to.

Speaker 4 You watch a football game or something like that, perhaps.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
What's your number one sport, if you had to rank him, that you like to watch? My number one sport is football, but it's changed so much.

Speaker 2 I was a relatively good ball player in a high score. I was a flanker back, a halfback.
Really?

Speaker 6 I like flank standing.

Speaker 2 And yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying. Don't pay any attention to that.

Speaker 2 You're just saying word association. Yeah, just word association.
It's a sport that

Speaker 2 I watch probably more than any other. I don't know.

Speaker 2 You're not a terrible golfer.

Speaker 2 I looked up your index. I used to be pretty good.
I haven't played golf, though, in three hours.

Speaker 4 Your current index is a 6'7, I believe, which puts you at about a 12

Speaker 4 handicap. What is the best part of your golf game? Off the T, chipping, putting?

Speaker 5 Off the T. Off the T.
You hit it quickly.

Speaker 2 Do you hit it far?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, three years ago I did. I haven't played much.

Speaker 2 We added up. They figured out that I try to,

Speaker 2 when I'm home in Delaware, there's a place I can go where I can play.

Speaker 2 That's a private club. It's called Fieldstone, but

Speaker 2 I play, and all it is is golf. And I get in,

Speaker 2 I've not played 18 holes lately, nine holes. I'm with you on that.
We play a lot. Jason and I play a lot of golf.

Speaker 4 Will's big thing is he thinks golf should be 12.

Speaker 2 I think it should be 12-hoes. I think it should be 6-6.
I think that's a good thing. By the way, there's a lot of national debate about that.
Is there, really? No, there is.

Speaker 2 Do you want to appoint me the golf star? Is this song?

Speaker 4 He comes apart at 12 usually.

Speaker 2 He comes apart on the 12th hole. And he just starts whining.
And I'm tired. And I like to spend time with my kids.

Speaker 4 I like to work on on your game.

Speaker 2 By the way, that's my best recreation. My granddaughters.

Speaker 2 They're crazy about me.

Speaker 2 No, you think I'm Kim.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 2 Every single day, I contact every one of my grandchildren. That's all.

Speaker 4 You got to pick one of these three things as the coolest thing about

Speaker 4 being the man.

Speaker 4 Is it the White House? Is it Air Force One? Or is it the Beast?

Speaker 4 Which you can only.

Speaker 2 You don't make Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 4 I do not. I'm talking about the car.

Speaker 2 Okay, which which which is the which which Air Force One? It's Air Force One. It's got to be Air Force.
Yeah, it's got to be, right? Well, the good news is a plane never leaves until I get there now.

Speaker 2 Do you always get the seat you want?

Speaker 4 Do you always get the seat you want? Or is there sometimes there's someone in it and you got to go to the back?

Speaker 1 I would love to see the inside of Air Force One.

Speaker 2 Sean, I'll take you through it.

Speaker 2 I would go crazy. I was so dripping with begging for an invite.
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Speaker 2 serious. Half of those.

Speaker 2 I thought you were going to say, I'd love to do a Will and Grace reunion on Air Force One.

Speaker 4 And we will be right back.

Speaker 4 Let's be real.

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Speaker 2 Okay, so people in this country never before has it felt like, and I looked back, you know, I spent a little bit of time looking back over the way that people spoke and politicians spoke and et cetera, especially in the 20th century.

Speaker 2 And a lot of the same verbiage was used to scare people, to make, put people, to divide people. And it was you, and people say, well, no, this is new.
Historically, that has been something.

Speaker 2 But never before has it seemed like common ground was so far off in the distance.

Speaker 2 And I'm trying to understand why, because we all share, I had an experience recently where I spent some time with somebody and I didn't find out till later that their

Speaker 2 perspective on the world was very different from mine. But when he and I

Speaker 2 were speaking and hanging out one-on-one, we got along very fine. And I thought, wow, isn't that funny? If I didn't know anything about his politics, he and I got along great.

Speaker 2 What is it we can do to try to get that back? Because I think that that's something you talk about a lot. Well,

Speaker 2 look, guys.

Speaker 2 I had no intention of running for president again, for real. Yeah.
Or running for office. I was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, enjoying it and putting together an institute up there.

Speaker 2 And when those folks came out of the fields, literally carrying torches down in Charlottesville, and the last guy said they're good people on both sides, and that young woman was killed, I realized that we are at an inflection point in history.

Speaker 2 And it occurs every three, five, seven generations.

Speaker 2 That what happens in the near term, in this case, the next two to three, five years, the last several years, is going to determine what it looks like for the next several generations.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the context was,

Speaker 2 my son had just died.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so we have a tradition in our family. Anyone in the family, any kid can ask for a family meeting.
This is dead serious. I'm not joking about this.
As well as my dad's family when I was growing up.

Speaker 2 And so I got a call from my oldest granddaughter and saying, Pop, we want to have a family meeting. She was a freshman,

Speaker 2 either a senior at Penn or a freshman at Columbia Law. And then my other granddaughter, Finnegan Biden, she's a brilliant kid.
She's a wonderful kid. She's my secret weapon.

Speaker 2 She was, I think, a sophomore at Penn. And anyway.
A couple of dummies, huh? Yeah, well, no, I don't mean that. I meant they were close to me.
She was in my house.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then I had another granddaughter who was a senior in high school, and then a granddaughter who was a sophomore in high school, and a grandson who was

Speaker 2 thinking seventh or eighth grade. And they came in and they sat down and they said, Pop, you really should run.
And I didn't want to run because I knew it was going to be ugly.

Speaker 2 And keep in mind, just like if your children are in show business, you're in show business, they get used to the barbs, they get used to the accolades.

Speaker 2 And so they'd been their whole life. I had either been a vice president or a senator, and their dad or uncle had been attorney general and so on.
And so they said, you got to run,

Speaker 2 pop, they call me Pop. They said, Pop, Uncle Bode wants you to run, daddy wants you to run, et cetera.
And I said, well, it's going to be not, it's not going to be very nice, honey.

Speaker 2 And my little guy, little hunter, he's now 16 years old, a wonderful kid. He took out his cell phone.
He said, here's a picture, Pop. We know.
And he showed me a picture.

Speaker 2 My wife hates me telling this story, but it's true. And it was a picture of me walking out of

Speaker 2 the cathedral with my hand on my son's flag-draped coffin, the military escort, and my arm around him, like I used to hold his dad, to just reassure me walking out.

Speaker 2 And the caption on the bottom said that Biden molests another child.

Speaker 2 And they said, we know it's going to be tough. But here's the point about your question.

Speaker 2 I think the biggest thing that's changed is technology. There are are no editors anymore.

Speaker 2 And so, you know,

Speaker 2 there's a lot been written and I started to write a book about it, but I don't obviously have time to do it now.

Speaker 2 That if you go all the way back to Gutenberg and the printing press, it changed the nature of the world and how nations got along. These guys have never read a book, so just keep going.

Speaker 2 Well, I know, but look, look,

Speaker 2 I'm getting to television.

Speaker 2 But think about how things have changed and every new technological change, it changed the way we interface with one another.

Speaker 2 Whether it was a telegraph or the radio or then television.

Speaker 2 But now the internet for the first time, there's no editors.

Speaker 2 There's no editors at all. And so how does somebody know what is

Speaker 2 that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and the difference between, you know, I think that you should do an executive order where you could do, you can post on the internet on social media, but you have to have your name, your address, and your phone number.

Speaker 2 And then we'll see if people change their tone a little bit.

Speaker 4 Isn't Isn't there any way for the FCC or someone to put a rating system or the equivalent of saying, this is just opinion, this is actually fact.

Speaker 2 Oh, you've wanted this for a long time.

Speaker 4 It's like you should be able to have to hit a certain threshold. You can't just, everything can't look the same.
It should have a little qualifier.

Speaker 4 Twitter does it or did it with the last guy's tweets.

Speaker 2 I mean, we live in an age where people decided to start. politicizing science and medicine and that it's that it's so absurd and you go you know i'm originally canadian and I go back to Canada.

Speaker 2 I am American now, sir. But

Speaker 2 if I defect, I'm going to Canadian. Yeah, I will listen.
And you can stay with my folks. I'll drive you.
Jim and Alex will take you any day.

Speaker 2 But that idea that, like, how, it's absurd. How are we politicizing this stuff that we used to take as facts? Well, look, that's true.
And

Speaker 2 if you notice the generic polling about the American public,

Speaker 2 40, 50, 60% are worried about the survival of democracy.

Speaker 2 But it's not just here, it's all around the world.

Speaker 2 This notion of

Speaker 2 democracy, can it be sustained? But I'm optimistic, and I really am.

Speaker 2 I love that. No, but I genuinely am because this younger generation, the ones you speak to, up to, I sat to 30 when I talk about the younger generation.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not being facetious. I'm being deadly earnest.
It's the best educated. the most open, the least prejudiced, the most giving generation in American history.

Speaker 2 And we're going to break through this. We really, truly are.
And you think about the things that, how ugly things have gotten, but think about how much we've gotten done.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, when I ran, I said I was running for three reasons, to restore the soul of America, to rebuild the middle class.

Speaker 2 And because when the economy is built from the middle out, the poor do have a rode up and the wealthy still do very well. And

Speaker 2 to unite the country. The third part's being the hardest, because I went through my career as being the guy who got a lot done with Democrats and Republicans for all those years I was in the Senate.

Speaker 2 Hell, I was there for 36. I got a lot done.

Speaker 2 You were 29 when you became a senator. Yeah, and

Speaker 2 what got me involved was

Speaker 2 I came from a state to its great shame, was segregated by law. And we have the eighth largest black population in America.
And I was really moved by the civil rights movement as a kid.

Speaker 2 And I remember we moved down from Scranton, Pennsylvania when Cole died. My dad was not a coal miner, but he was a salesperson.
And we moved back to this little town called Claymont, Delaware.

Speaker 2 And it used to be a big steel town. And we lived in what became projects, but at the time they were apartment complexes that were modest compared to where we had lived.

Speaker 2 And I went to a little Catholic school called Holy Rosary, and it was across the street from

Speaker 2 the fire station there. And I remember my mom used to drive us up to school.
I was in third grade and drop us in the parking lot to go into school.

Speaker 2 And I see this bus go by all the time with only, then we refer to as colored, but black children in it.

Speaker 2 I didn't understand it because I didn't own it. There were hardly any black people in Scranton.

Speaker 2 And what was that all about? I said, well, they're not allowed to go to school, honey. They're not allowed to go to the public schools here.

Speaker 2 And then I ended up being the only white employee in the east side of Wilmington, which is 98% African American. I was a lifeguard there.
Then I got involved.

Speaker 2 And that's what got me engaged.

Speaker 1 So that was very inspiring for you just to say that.

Speaker 2 Well, it was. It also was very angering.
I mean, it made me angry.

Speaker 2 And like a lot of folks, my generation. And I never, I love reading how I knew I was going to run for president.

Speaker 2 I wasn't even healthy. I wasn't even old enough.
I mean, I'll never forget. I got really involved trying to bring the Democratic Party in Delaware into the mainstream of Northeastern Democrats.

Speaker 2 It was more a southern Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 You're the southern part of my state, the Delmarva Peninsula, talk catch like this.

Speaker 2 It's just very southern, for real. It's right at the Mason-Dixon line, right? Yeah, it actually goes north-south.
Most people don't realize that, but yes, it is.

Speaker 2 And the end result of all that was that I got involved. I was a young lawyer.
I went to law school. And I went to work for a guy who was a local,

Speaker 2 he was a state rep, he was a great trial lawyer, and one thing led to another, and they tried to reform the Democratic Party to make it more.

Speaker 2 I mean, the Republican Party was more liberal than the Democratic Party at the time, was a Rockefeller Republican.

Speaker 2 Anyway, to make a long story not quite so long and boring, I was asked to help put together a group of young people to get someone to run for the United States Senate.

Speaker 2 And I kept working on it, and I went to an an off-year convention in Dover, you know, the Democratic convention. And I was, it was between the evening, the afternoon and evening session.

Speaker 2 And I was in a motel, small motel down there, shaving, and I was in the bathroom, and I had a towel on and shaving cream, and I just bang on the door.

Speaker 2 And I opened the door, and there's four leading Democrats, two of which I'd never met before, two former governors and a state chairman and a head of the Supreme Court who had retired and family, more senators than any family in American history, the tunnels.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I was stumbling. I thought it was the guys I drove down with.
I was 27, 28 years old. And they said, we got to talk to you, Joe.
We just had dinner together. And I said, okay, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 I walked in and quickly got in the bathroom thinking there was a towel.

Speaker 2 All I had to do is I wiped the shaving, came on my face, came out, and you know, those desks that are nailed to the wall, headboards nail.

Speaker 2 And I'm leaning against the desk. And they said, Joe, we were thinking you should run for the Senate.
I said, Oh, I said, No, I said, You said, Can I get dressed? No, no, no, I'm serious.

Speaker 2 It's a true story. And the Chief Justice, the former justice, said, I said, I'm not old enough, sir.
He said, You obviously didn't do well in constitutional law, Joe.

Speaker 2 He said, You don't have to be 30 to get elected. You have to be 30 to be sworn in.

Speaker 2 And I remember going home, and I don't know what you guys ever did this, but I had a great professor in high school in college. No, they never did.
No.

Speaker 2 No, but I I mean, there was a guy that I wasn't a good student either.

Speaker 2 If you're implying they weren't. No, no, no.
No, they weren't students at all.

Speaker 2 But here's the point. I got riding home, and I stopped at the University of Delaware the next day.
I had a professor named David Ingersoll. He was my political philosophy professor.
And I said,

Speaker 2 I said, they just asked me, this is crazy. And he looked at me and said, Joe, remember what Plato said? I'm thinking, what the hell did Plato say? And he said,

Speaker 2 the penalty good people pay for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves. Yeah.
And it was the middle of the Vietnam War and a lot of other things gone.

Speaker 2 And one thing I've been doing.

Speaker 4 Well, the penalty for not voting. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I used to play with Plato as a kid. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know. See, I told you, by the way, I wasn't a good student either.
This is just an inside joke

Speaker 2 to torture them.

Speaker 4 Mr. President, so

Speaker 4 your ability to,

Speaker 4 as you always have,

Speaker 4 cross the aisle and broker these great agreements,

Speaker 4 if somebody who was, what would you say, you were 29 at the time, 29 now coming into politics with how dynamic this political culture is

Speaker 4 and the necessity,

Speaker 4 it's vital that we come across the aisle to one another. What would you suggest to them?

Speaker 4 What's the secret sauce to be able to do that? How do you identify things that both sides could get excited about?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 because I got elected so young, everybody thought there had to be some secret sauce I had. I knew, you know, there must have been something.

Speaker 2 And so I've had about everybody's ever sought the office of the senator, governor, a young person in the last 40 years of the company and said, you know,

Speaker 2 what is it? And I say the same thing, and I mean it from the bottom of my heart. I said, figure out what are you willing to lose over

Speaker 2 or don't get involved. Because if you don't know what you're willing to lose over and have something that important to you, don't get engaged.

Speaker 2 Don't get involved running because they can make a lot of money and do a lot better better doing other things and being in politics and so one of the things that does is that you know there's a joke among my colleagues when I said it no one ever doubts I mean what I say the problem is I sometimes say all that I mean

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Speaker 2 Mr. President, this is, you know,

Speaker 4 we're not qualified or smart enough to ask you great questions. So what we would like to do, I would love to know just some of the, just the simple sort of human stuff.

Speaker 4 I want to know to the extent you're comfortable telling us, like just like the dumb stuff in your life.

Speaker 2 You want to know his personal stuff? His personal stuff? Yeah, he's a person.

Speaker 4 What time do you get up most mornings? And do you use an alarm clock?

Speaker 2 I get a staff call. I have an alarm, but they don't trust that.
So

Speaker 2 my routine is there's a great guy who used to be a physical therapist

Speaker 2 at the White House. Now he comes in.

Speaker 4 What do you mean he comes in? He comes in and he gently rocks you.

Speaker 3 He says, Sir.

Speaker 2 No, he doesn't rock me. I tell you what, he works me when I go up.
There's a gym upstairs here. He gently rocks.
And

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 8 o'clock, I'm up at 7, 7.15. I go up and work out from 8 until a quarter to 9.

Speaker 4 And what are we doing up there?

Speaker 4 We're blasting back and byes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Speaker 2 Yes, as a matter of fact. Wow.

Speaker 4 I love it. You look like you're in great shape.

Speaker 2 Well, I feel good. I feel good.

Speaker 2 The thing I learned, the difference in age, if I let it go for a week, I feel it. I know.

Speaker 2 Again, he's looking at you, Sean.

Speaker 2 Wait,

Speaker 2 I used to be able to go for a week and nothing would change.

Speaker 2 No, it's true, though. It's true.
I'm serious. Believe me, we're all over 50, and we talk about it all the time, how much harder it is getting on top of it now.

Speaker 4 What's your kryptonite? If something's in front of you, it's going to get eaten.

Speaker 2 What is it?

Speaker 5 Sugar? Is it French fries? Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 Hang on, hang on. I know what it is.
It's the same thing I know. It's ice cream.

Speaker 2 And I'm an

Speaker 2 chocolate chip. Oh, boy.
That's what Sean has. Chocolate specialist.
I'm an ice cream iceberg. I'm dull as hell.
I'm known for my Ray-Ban sunglasses and chocolate chip. I wanted to show us.

Speaker 2 So I wanted to also say that. The Ray-Bans.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 this is the greatest look of a president. All presidents.

Speaker 4 You're the coolest guy in the world.

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course. Wear Ray-Bans.
Yes, you are. By the way, all those years, when I ran for the first time for the Senate, I had...

Speaker 2 I had been up to that point, even though I was a practicing lawyer, in order to get free rent, there was a country swimming club that had 17 acres, a little tiny house on it.

Speaker 2 And they let us live in the house as long as I would hire all the pool people, right? Sure. But all from the time I was 16 years old, as a lifeguard, all I ever did.

Speaker 2 So the headline was, you don't want this guy. The only job he's ever had is a lifeguard.

Speaker 2 By the way, I'm like, yeah, he's like ripped in hair and wearing sunglasses.

Speaker 2 By the way, the guy before you, he didn't even need sunglasses. He would just look at an eclipse.
I want to know. I want to, first of all,

Speaker 1 first of all, there's no reason coconut should ever be an ice cream i just wanted to say that i like coconut yeah i like coconut

Speaker 1 coconut custard pie well coconut pie is fine but not an ice cream i can't do the ice cream i'm a simple plain

Speaker 2 for us anyway here's the thing i want to know about suits how many suits because you only need like the same question right you only have like you only need like two or three nobody's picking who's picking the suit in the morning yeah and like

Speaker 2 really okay so you got a closet yeah no i have i guess i have a i have less than 100 or more than 100 i have probably less than 15,

Speaker 2 more than 14.

Speaker 4 But a lot of ties.

Speaker 3 A lot of ties.

Speaker 2 A lot of ties. You can get sassy with the ties.
Do you choose tie, too? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, Jill doesn't, does Jill Evie give you the hairy eyeball? Like, no, please, what do you do?

Speaker 2 Well, she is if

Speaker 2 I'm not.

Speaker 2 I'm sure. You must mean Mrs.
Biden.

Speaker 2 No, Jill's fine. First lady.
First lady. Jill's first lady.
Jill's fine. Joe's fine.
All kidding aside. You are very nice.
No, no. But

Speaker 2 she

Speaker 2 gets very upset if I have not

Speaker 2 fully shaven or all this excessive amount of hair I have.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? What do you do with it? I know how you feel. We suffer from the same problem.

Speaker 1 Now, wait, just you know, I want to get back to just one second.

Speaker 2 Back to screamed out.

Speaker 1 No, you've obviously accomplished so many, so many amazing things in your presidency so far, one of which is the Inflation Reduction Act, which I was excited about because of global warming, because I hate the heat.

Speaker 1 I want the temperatures to go down. When it's hot, I get irritable.

Speaker 2 I want

Speaker 2 to go to the house. No, it's inside the Inflation Reduction Act.
It's the global

Speaker 1 global warming thing.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 is the ship sailed on fixing this climate thing? Like, is there anything we can do?

Speaker 2 Oh, you mean, should we just give up? No.

Speaker 2 You asked this question. No, I meant like, what's,

Speaker 2 is there there any hope is there any there's a lot of hope okay good there's a lot of hope because two things for example i'm out here's hope well i'm out here today with uh uh congresswoman bass karen bass and i go over they have a a rapid transit system here that needs a lot of work yeah well we're gonna spend nine billion dollars making the change but here's the deal It's estimated to take 124,000 tons out of the air.

Speaker 2 Let me back up. If people have a chance to get on a track train

Speaker 2 and can make it quicker than they can driving the car, they take the train. Never any traffic.

Speaker 2 And I'm a big train guy and we've gotten billions of dollars more from, we're spending more on Amtrak than Amtrak initially was spent. And it's all just getting underway.

Speaker 2 But it's fundamental changes that are going to be taking place.

Speaker 2 And it really does work too.

Speaker 4 I noticed during COVID when everyone was having to stay inside here in LA, that the skies were, in a week, they were crystal clear. It really does.

Speaker 2 Well, no, I thought you were going to say, I noticed, too, that the roads were really empty and I could just bomb around.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 But they were. The air out here, as you know, historically.
Oh, I know. And this is going to be, it's going to be a game changer.
It's going to take some. I'm so excited about it.

Speaker 2 And by the way, in addition to the $368 billion

Speaker 2 for climate in that bill, we also have over $1 trillion $200 billion that we got passed

Speaker 2 in the Act having to do with dealing with the infrastructure.

Speaker 2 We used to rank number one in the world in infrastructure. We're number 13, for God's sake.

Speaker 4 And this is a lot of jobs, this is a lot of jobs.

Speaker 2 Literally,

Speaker 2 we've created more jobs in the first 18 months than any president in history. 700,000 manufacturing jobs.
Where the hell does it say America can't be the manufacturing job?

Speaker 4 Everyone says manufacturing's gone now and all that.

Speaker 2 No, yo. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Yeah, and

Speaker 2 it is a little shocking that how much of that has been lost. And it does fill me with hope with the idea that we can get manufacturing back.
Well, you know why it got lost?

Speaker 2 We used to spend 2% of our GDP on research and development as a nation.

Speaker 2 We're down to 0.7%.

Speaker 2 China's passing, other countries are passing us by.

Speaker 2 But now we're going back to, look, my major goal in terms of the economy was to change the dynamic of trickle-down economy to building from the middle out, bottom up, and do it that way. Right.

Speaker 2 And I know I get criticized, and understandably, for being, quote, the most pro-union president in history.

Speaker 2 Well, the reason for that is these union folks, everybody thinks you show up on a job and you can be a technician. Guess what? You take four or five years, like going back to college.

Speaker 2 It's like going to school. They're the best in the world.
They're the best in the world.

Speaker 2 And ultimately, it's cheaper for us. So there's a lot we're doing.
And for example,

Speaker 2 we're going to invest literally several hundred billion dollars in building chips or computers. We invented them.
We invented them.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so important.

Speaker 2 So anyway, trick that down economics, I want to go find a billionaire and give him 10 grand because I know it'll get to the little guy.

Speaker 4 I got a fairly adult question here, so I've written it out. I apologize for reading.

Speaker 2 Well, we'll judge if it's adult.

Speaker 4 With the midterms on our doorstep,

Speaker 4 two-thirds of the seats that are up for grabs in the midterms are trending to be won by admitted election deniers.

Speaker 4 And then that means that elections and consequently democracy as a form of government will most likely be done away with or could be seriously threatened.

Speaker 4 This is what they're saying that their plan is once elected. So doesn't that current real forecast, even declaration, justify some kind of emergency alert?

Speaker 4 that asks for maximum attention and participation from every single voter in America? No advocation for a Republican or Democrat, just a request to vote in this midterm election.

Speaker 4 Could I ask you to commit to consider over the next few days using your unique powers, President, to utilize the emergency alert system?

Speaker 4 For the listener, this is the system that's in place to alert citizens of impending danger.

Speaker 2 Yes, it's usually for the weather or killers or kidnapping, whatever.

Speaker 4 But I don't think it's an exaggeration to categorize this as a light crisis, an existential threat.

Speaker 4 Just ask the families of the COVID victims what danger is with poor leadership or the citizens of Russia or Ukraine, what happens when the electoral process is merely a facade.

Speaker 4 So our TV and radio outlets are required to deliver presidential alerts.

Speaker 4 And all this would be to simply air once a night leading up to Election Day on every TV, satellite, and cable channel a quick 10-second card that just simply says, please vote on November 8th.

Speaker 4 That's all.

Speaker 2 Is there any way you can

Speaker 2 consider? Great idea. And also

Speaker 2 officially with the president, the longest Bateman question ever. Simultaneously, and it's a great idea.
Mr. Speaker, by the way, brother, the point you're making is the point.
Just to keep it.

Speaker 2 People have to vote.

Speaker 2 And look, you saw, I mean, the best example is the Supreme Court in the Dobbs decision said there's a line from one of the justices saying, women have a right to vote.

Speaker 2 We'll see it, but basically, we'll see if they do.

Speaker 2 You saw what happened in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 Women showed up and vote. Women are out registering men for the first time significantly for this new election.
And that was immediate, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 Oh, that was immediate.

Speaker 2 so my generic point is I think people, particularly younger people, that's what I'm spending most of my time trying to focus on, people under 30, they, in fact, understand the vote matters.

Speaker 2 What I worry about, I worry about the states that have the election deniers in them making it harder practically for them to vote.

Speaker 2 That's what I worry about, the Supreme Court decisions on voting that are coming down, that are going to be coming down. And so, but vote, vote, vote.

Speaker 2 That's been my, I end all my speeches, everything I talk about.

Speaker 2 For me to do what you're suggesting, my imagining it would end up being a gigantic fight whether I was using an emergency system designed to save, quote, lives for political purposes. That's not.

Speaker 4 No, it's not. That's not.

Speaker 2 Because you are saying that.

Speaker 4 It's not for Republican or Democratic. It's just participate in the American process of voting.
Just a quick 10-second boom.

Speaker 2 Well, guess what? Well, it's great, but guess what? The whole idea is the other team doesn't want people to vote. They don't want open voting.
They don't want to be able to rail in ballots.

Speaker 4 But they've got to do what the president says, at least while you're still president, you could put that little card up there, get everybody voting, and save our elections.

Speaker 2 Well, we're paying to try to put that card up there. It'd make a great movie.

Speaker 2 Thank you, actor Jason Bateman.

Speaker 2 Can I just say,

Speaker 2 you're right. No, he's a great.
By the way, it's a great idea, and I really like that. I think that that's pretty awesome, and it would be a good use of it, but I think you're right.

Speaker 2 It would be hijacked, if you will, by people who would think that you're in the world. They should do it when

Speaker 4 they're in charge, too.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's just the voting.

Speaker 2 I just want to say, Mr. President, what's crazy for us is we started this podcast in the middle of COVID when everybody else was locked down and we were too.
And for us, it was a way to connect.

Speaker 2 We've been friends for 20 years. I get to do it with these two guys that I love a lot and who are my...
my best friends. And

Speaker 2 we just started. We didn't know where we were going.
It gives us a lot of joy to know that it gave people,

Speaker 2 that it uplifted people and made people feel more confident or made people feel more positive in a tough time. You gave them hope.
Look, guys, two things are going to go down in history.

Speaker 2 Number one, more than a million people died. A million people died.
And the estimates are those million people had nine close related people, whether they're family or otherwise.

Speaker 2 The psychological impact on the nation has been profound, absolutely profound. And the other thing is the whole idea that we're moving,

Speaker 2 think about this.

Speaker 2 Graduating from, when you graduated from high school, you had your prom, you had

Speaker 2 the graduation ceremonies.

Speaker 2 What do these kids have? The kids are graduating. What are the things that they, in fact, missed that are consequential? That junior prom, that senior prom, that graduation ceremony,

Speaker 2 all those parties.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's like, and it's like the difference. Everybody asked me what was the most exciting thing when you got elected and so on.

Speaker 2 You know, I was really honored to be, I mean, the greatest honor in the world, okay?

Speaker 2 But there was no celebration about it.

Speaker 4 You were having to do rallies with cars honking, right?

Speaker 2 No, no, but

Speaker 2 I mean it. And that's not who we are.

Speaker 2 And the other thing people have to remember: our strength lies in our incredible diversity.

Speaker 2 It's incredible. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 Incredible.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And other nations are realizing that that's why they want to invest here.
That's why they want to get engaged here.

Speaker 4 Or come here for education.

Speaker 2 Exactly right.

Speaker 2 And so there's so much. And by the way, I'm convinced we're going to be able to do a hell of a lot.

Speaker 2 Me too. And I got to tell you, during a time, I can speak for me, during a time that felt really hopeless and dark, and it felt like a number of years where

Speaker 2 the sentiment of the nation was quite dark, Mr. President, you brought a lot of light and you did bring a lot of hope to a lot of people.

Speaker 6 We had a lot of kindness. And we fed on that

Speaker 2 and common sense and and I thank you so much for that I think that you you were able to light it towards well the biggest thing I say one more thing one of the things is that

Speaker 2 people understand

Speaker 2 that I understand loss yes and I

Speaker 2 I think it's so important

Speaker 2 that people understand that from that loss

Speaker 2 it's never the pain never goes away but you can do incredible things

Speaker 2 the person you lost never leaves your heart I don't know how many times I ask myself, what would Bo do? I'm not joking. And so you just, there's so,

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 2 are genuinely empathetic if you give them a shot.

Speaker 2 And I think just reaching out to people, not me president, but just reaching out to people matters.

Speaker 2 Think of the number of people who are down and out and wonder, where in the hell am I going to go?

Speaker 2 What happens?

Speaker 4 Your empathy is genuine. It's sincere.
It's infectious. And it's a pleasure to be led by you.

Speaker 2 Yes. Well, you guys are giving me more credit.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 And thank you for the hope that you give to me.

Speaker 2 I really do. I am optimistic.

Speaker 2 I truly am.

Speaker 1 I'm with you.

Speaker 2 You know, I will leave you there. And we take, you know, we say this to everybody.
We have taken up too much of your time.

Speaker 2 I have a friend of mine who always says, if you're feeling down, call five people and tell them how much you love them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you know what? It works. It does work.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It does work.

Speaker 1 So give me your number.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if we can get just a call. It'll just be a text.
I promise. It won't be.

Speaker 2 Mr. President, thank you so much.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 No, everyone, I enjoyed it. Thank you.
Thank you. Invite me back.
Thank you, Will. You got it.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who was that again, Thomas?

Speaker 1 I turned to Jay, or we both turned to each other.

Speaker 2 I almost started crying at the end.

Speaker 1 I almost started crying, I swear to God, when he was just in the middle.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But even before that, because I had an out-of-body experience about it, was like

Speaker 1 How did my little dumbass from Chicago get to this point?

Speaker 4 At the same moment, I was sitting there He was telling a story, and I'm just staring at him going, I'm sitting here watching, giving my full attention to the president.

Speaker 2 And he looks you right in the eye.

Speaker 1 I mean, not a lot of people get to meet him, let alone ask him questions. Because you know, when he's in crowds, people try to grab him and ask him something really, really fast.

Speaker 1 But he's on the move, so he can't do it. So to get him and like have him there.

Speaker 4 you can tell a lot when you're, you can tell a lot when you're watching somebody on television or you're watching them on a talk show, you're reading an interview with them or something like that.

Speaker 3 You feel like you can kind of,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 4 being across from somebody,

Speaker 4 you could, nothing, you can, you can tell everything. He really did seem like the most genuinely empathetic

Speaker 2 kind

Speaker 1 and he truly cares about it.

Speaker 2 And it's such a great vibe. And here, here's the other thing: you know, we talk a little bit about, you you know, what side you fall on politically, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 You can't blame a guy who has such a great vibe and a passion for the country. And

Speaker 2 you can hear all the mudslinging you want, but when you see somebody who's dedicated their life,

Speaker 2 hasn't made a ton of dough,

Speaker 2 went into public service at age 29

Speaker 2 and has dedicated his life, his whole life to that through thick and thin. How could you say that? How could you say that that what he's doing is

Speaker 2 anything but but absolutely in the service of this and admiration

Speaker 2 yeah but even just like just on just just people skills and vibe alone wouldn't you no matter what party you associate yourself with wouldn't you want someone like that to represent you like he just seems like the greatest guy that's a great point you know he's just human that's a great point even if you don't agree right what do you want somebody that like yeah right has the figurehead of the country.

Speaker 4 I'm proud of that. He just seems like a decent dude.

Speaker 2 You know, just thank you.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 And of course, in this great person that we're talking about, not you, is the president,

Speaker 2 Mr. Joe.

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