"Kevin Bacon"

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Speaker 2 Listener, I got to tell you, I'm early for the session today,

Speaker 1 but it's fortunate because the light in the room that I record this in is just so

Speaker 1 it's delicious. And there's a sunbeam just catching my mouth, just perfectly right now.

Speaker 1 No other part of my face is lit except my mouth, which is perfect because that's all I'm going to be using for the next hour.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to chase the sun a bit, so if my signal breaks up in the middle of this interview, you're going to know why. But my God, if you could see my mouth right now,

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Speaker 1 I actually was on a flight once and we

Speaker 1 started down the runway and like started to speed up speed up speed up and they had that thing remember they used to sometimes put they had the camera on the front of the plane so you could see the runway yes and it was like a you know whatever big uh um carrier carrier going down the run

Speaker 1 and then slowed down and then peeled off like and they're like whoa and the guys and the pilot's like well we got a bit of an issue here we're gonna go back to the gate here and take a look we sat on the plane for like 90 minutes And he's like,

Speaker 1 we start to pull back from the gate and he's like, okay, we think we got it taken care of here, so we're just going to give it another shot. And I'm like, no, give it another

Speaker 1 shot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 Isn't it strange how you never meet the pilot? I mean, it is, your life is 1,000% in this person's hands.

Speaker 2 When would you ever put your life and the life of your family in anyone's hands that you haven't met? And you're going to do that for a few hours.

Speaker 1 Hang on, let me just say that. When would I ever put my life or that of my family That's rhetoric.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was rhetorical. Yeah, kind of.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, that's so interesting.

Speaker 1 I have a little fear. We talked about that last time, about the turbulence and stuff like that.
Yeah. A little bit of that.
Yeah. Looks like you have a fear of waking up, too.
What are you still?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not early.

Speaker 1 It is early to me. Do you have a fear of hair product?

Speaker 1 I have no product in my hair. I just had a face.
It looks real flammable up there. Flammable?

Speaker 2 Yeah, keep it away from flame.

Speaker 1 What are we at days-wise from seeing Skevo? Like from the last one to the next one? Where are we at?

Speaker 2 That's the guy who cuts his hair, Tracy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just saw him last week. Yeah, he's great.
You just saw us. Okay, you saw him last week.
Skevo. Like on a bus bench?

Speaker 2 Or you weren't in the salon?

Speaker 1 And he had scissors. No, I was not in the salon.
No, you weren't. I was on a photo shoot.
You're in a bus. Oh, you're in a photo shoot.

Speaker 2 First of all, let me just say, it's 9.30 in the morning. It's 9.30 in the morning.
This is one of the earlier records we've ever done.

Speaker 1 I kind of like it. And so far, I got to say, we're feeling it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's kind of low energy.

Speaker 1 It's like breakfast energy. Now, listen, I would say this, because

Speaker 1 I want to get to our guests, but Jay, you have a real, everybody's got a real relaxed vibe. You got a real relaxed hoodie on today with no tea underneath.

Speaker 1 There's a tea. It's a...
Is this sleepwear?

Speaker 2 It's a limpy tea. It's a limpy tea.
Oh, and it's also the same color. Look at that.

Speaker 2 You have me in my bedwear.

Speaker 1 Okay. But this is what I was going to say before.
I started, I don't know why I thought of this.

Speaker 1 Scotty and I started doing this at night where we opened the door. Remind me who Scotty is again, real quick.

Speaker 2 And tell me what you do at night.

Speaker 1 We open the door and even though it's kind of hot, we open the door and we put on the fan. It reminds me of being a kid when we didn't have AC.

Speaker 2 God, what a great story.

Speaker 1 And then make a bowl of ice cream and watch it. I'm just like relatable.
I had a whole

Speaker 1 bunch of very last

Speaker 1 Sometimes we don't eat at night just so I can I can really relate to all the people who are starving in the world.

Speaker 1 No, no, and then I have a bowl of ice cream or something cool. But last night I had a whole box of Swedish fish and it didn't stay inside me.

Speaker 1 Didn't stay inside you.

Speaker 1 Straight away.

Speaker 2 So, but you know, usually those things, now, Willie, are you sure it wasn't the back end of the box you bought at Hollywood Bowl?

Speaker 1 No, because no, I bought it in another back end box. Yeah.
Buddy, you're...

Speaker 1 You barfed last night? No, no, no, it came out the other way. Oh, well, then that's just natural.
You don't need to tell me.

Speaker 1 I assume that all food you eat is going to come out the other way, just for what it's like. Well,

Speaker 1 it didn't stay inside of me very long.

Speaker 2 And doesn't it create a plug, those things?

Speaker 1 Those gummy bears?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's. Come on, why are we going? I'm not surprised you and Scotty did that last night because I know how you are.
I know you always

Speaker 2 got a fan.

Speaker 1 But you open the doors, you put your hands on the door. No, he loves a fan.
He loves a fan. Yeah, it's so good.
Always has fan for a fan.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, speaking speaking of fans, I'm a fan of our guest today. Oh, nice.
What a great segue. Thank you so much.
I'm trying to win Segue of the Year.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to do it at the Webbies next year.

Speaker 1 I've been a fan of this person for a long time. And the reason is because this person has done so much

Speaker 1 in film and television as

Speaker 1 a director. as a writer, but primarily we know him really for his incredible breadth of work.
And this is, and I don't want to embarrass this person, but this is,

Speaker 1 this term you don't throw around very lightly.

Speaker 1 This is an actor's actor. This is somebody who's done it all.
This is. Is this a storyteller? This person cannot be, this is a storyteller, cannot be defined.

Speaker 1 He is a movie star and he is a character actor. He is all of these things combined.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, it is one of the most incredible.

Speaker 1 This person has had so many different stages to his career career and done so many amazing things. And I don't really know him that well.
We met a couple times.

Speaker 1 And you're not saying like what movie or anything because we'll get it right away. Well, yeah.
Well, here, once I start going.

Speaker 1 And the list is so long that it's got its own page on Wikipedia for his filmography. No way.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 His first film was Animal House.

Speaker 1 Then I'm going to jump a little bit just to try to throw you off.

Speaker 2 Jamie Widows?

Speaker 1 JFK.

Speaker 1 A Few Good Men. Apollo 13.

Speaker 1 Sleepers.

Speaker 1 Is this Mr. Bacon? Patriot Day.
Then I'm going to go back to Mr. Bacon.
A bunch of, but

Speaker 1 the thing that really shot him to superstardom was a film that we all still love to do. Foot Loose.

Speaker 1 Cut Foot Loose is Mr. Kevin Bacon.
Wow. The incredible Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 1 Dun dun dun. I'm trying to unsee Sean's bowl full of Swedish fish.

Speaker 2 All the fish swimming out of his colon.

Speaker 1 Oh, so is Scotty. Scotty's in the corner crying somewhere.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
It's so cool to see you. Hey man, welcome.
I haven't seen you since Will and Grace. I know.
I know. I know.

Speaker 1 And I've been good.

Speaker 1 And I can't tell you how many times I'll, you know, do that walking through the airport thing, Sean, and people will come up to me and say, do you know what the best thing you ever did was?

Speaker 1 And it'll be Will and Grace. And

Speaker 1 it doesn't necessarily,

Speaker 1 pop into my head

Speaker 1 as that was one of the options. I mean, I had a great time doing it, don't get me wrong.
But

Speaker 1 yes,

Speaker 1 that really made an impression on people. You're like, you're going to have to narrow it down because my filmography is like a thousand credits.
So let me tell you what I think the best.

Speaker 1 Hey, you know what? So funny? I was just talking about

Speaker 1 Footloose the other day. And is it true that Tom Cruise was almost up for that part or up for that part and you got it or something like that?

Speaker 1 Probably, yeah, probably. I mean, I think, you know, all the young dudes were, you know, up for it.
Going out.

Speaker 1 It was just

Speaker 1 one of those things, you know? Yeah. So here I am on Smartlist Bucket List.
So cool. All I could think, my wife said,

Speaker 1 clearly they have run out of important celebrities.

Speaker 1 They've made their way down to you after how's it been 1,035 episodes or something? No, no, no, no, no, first of all.

Speaker 1 Which, by the way i've listened to every single one of them i just i listened to every single fucking episode

Speaker 2 yes that's not true it's absolutely true kevin that speaks less to how how the quality of our show and more to your profound boredom i think so uh kevin uh i you know i've had the good fortune of bumping into you just a couple of times and i'm always just like kind of buzzing after uh i finish saying hi to you and your wife and you guys are just always so kind and nice to me and pleasant to even the person you were talking to before you talked to me and the person afterwards.

Speaker 2 And where do you think that, like, were you always like that? Or does this come as a result of you both being in this business for so long and have such a well-earned appreciation for your longevity?

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 is that why you're so kind to everybody?

Speaker 1 I love being

Speaker 1 an actor, and

Speaker 1 I feel just a tremendous amount of gratitude to be able to do what I do. And when it comes to being kind to people, I know, I kind of feel like

Speaker 1 that really is like, I think my mother was very much, you know, like influential in terms of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 I think my dad was somebody who was very driven and I kind of got the success thing from him, you know, the drive.

Speaker 2 Sean's head was driven.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my head.

Speaker 1 Sorry, that was such a softball. Thanks, pal.
Sean, I don't let those go by. I was not planning on tossing that one to him.

Speaker 1 My dead was the driver. He wasn't driven.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why you have to get a screeching tire sound effect on this podcast.

Speaker 1 Driven away in a Mazda.

Speaker 1 Now, you know that I've listened to the show when I didn't even question what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's true.
Clearly, I knew exactly

Speaker 1 all you had to say was Sean's dad was, and I knew where it was going. But you know what? We should have known something was up when he bought an MG.
Remember those cars, the MGs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. He really did.
Oh, yeah. And we're like, yeah, what is that? And we're all like, can't eat.
And he's like, I bought an MG. Nice car.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 Should have known when he bought new luggage.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 your mom said a good example. Dad was a little bit more given.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my mom set a good example for compassion and being kind to people and stuff like that. And,

Speaker 1 you know, listen, I love like to

Speaker 1 meet people that do what we do and

Speaker 1 to say hi and connect. And, you know,

Speaker 1 I have a certain kind of

Speaker 1 separation in a funny kind of way from our industry, this weird kind of like,

Speaker 1 I've never felt 100% sort of in it in the community in a weird kind of way.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, it's like when I listen to you guys, I'm like, geez, I want to be, you know, baking cookies with Jennifer Anniston or, you know, playing pickleball with Brian Reynolds or whatever it is, you know, it's like I listen and I go, shit, that that sounds like fun.

Speaker 1 But I, you know, being like in stay in New York and stuff like that. So when I do run into someone like any one of you guys, you know, I'm genuinely excited.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's not something that I do in a, in a normal course. Well, Jason's very interested.
Jason's interested.

Speaker 1 He asked you that because he's like, how, that's so interesting to be nice to people.

Speaker 1 How would I get there? Like, he wants to be as well. So he's right, Jason? It's aspirational for you.

Speaker 1 I just can't crack it.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Do you have, is it, is it, is it hard for you to keep that pleasantness up just walking the streets there in New York? Because I would imagine.

Speaker 1 I know what Jason's saying.

Speaker 2 Let me finish the sentence because he's so recognizable. He's been, as you said, in everything, And that is an incredible accomplishment.
His longevity is stunning.

Speaker 2 So I'd imagine you can't walk into a room, a restaurant, a subway car, anything without someone wanting to talk to you, especially if

Speaker 2 you have this big flashing green light up of like a smile and like, hey, I'm approachable. Come on up and take a picture.
Like, does that get tough for you because you're so known?

Speaker 1 I don't walk around honestly with the approachable smile on my face.

Speaker 1 The opposite. I walk around with the opposite smile.
It's with the opposite. Consciously? It's, yeah.
I mean, well, just over years of doing it. And this is what I think, you know.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, you've been famous for 40 years. I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Right. So you got to get used to it eventually.
And I have no one to blame but myself.

Speaker 1 And 99% of being famous is good. Fuck, people give you shit.
They say, they tell you, people stop you and say, I love you. It's like to be told that somebody somebody loves you.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's like gold, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would imagine you get that a lot. Like, you're you're you're a very, very, very well-known actor, very famous actor, but you're not a celebrity.

Speaker 2 You know, like, I feel like the celebrities are the ones that when they're walking down the street, people take a picture because it's like an animal escaped the zoo.

Speaker 2 Like, I got to get a shot of this. He's walking down the street.

Speaker 2 Imagine people that come up and talk to you are like, Hey, Kevin, I loved you on Will and Grace. Hey, keep it going, you know,

Speaker 2 and then and then off you go, and you don't really get hassled out there.

Speaker 1 And yeah, so it does get a little bit much, but like I say, it's all my fault. And I just have to know that when I when I leave the house, that it's, you know, gonna, that's gonna be a thing.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you the one thing that is definitely has changed, though, is that when I became famous, out of a thousand people, one person had a camera.

Speaker 1 And now, out of a thousand people, a thousand people have a camera, but only one person actually knows how to use it. So it it slows things down, you know, just

Speaker 1 in real life. Yeah, no, nobody gives a shit about autographs anymore, except for those guys that I call the blue men, you know, who are the guys that

Speaker 1 they always have you sign with a blue Sharpie, and they have just stacks of

Speaker 1 don't personalize it so they can sell at the airports and stuff like that. Sean knows a bunch of blue men, but it's a different.

Speaker 2 David Cross knows a bunch of blue men, too.

Speaker 1 That's true. But you know what, I feel bad, Kevin, because now we've blown up your spot, like you're walking around with a scowl, but people now know that underneath you're such a nice guy.

Speaker 1 So they're like, oh, that's just his walk-around face. I'll go up and get out of him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But you know, the thing is that I don't want to stop being able to move.
Yeah. That's why I love New York partly is because I really,

Speaker 1 it's a city where

Speaker 1 if I stay out of the neighborhoods that are super touristy,

Speaker 1 people just don't fuck with you because they're too busy. They're just kind of like, they'll say, you know, how you doing? But that, but like, that's right.

Speaker 1 I've always got to say, over the years, I've seen so many, I've seen, you know, you're, again, you've been just part of our sort of cultural fabric for a long time.

Speaker 1 And any photo, I have to admit this to you.

Speaker 1 I think you've got, this is crazy. I think you've got great style.
And I've always thought nobody rocks a fucking jean jacket like Kevin Bacon. That's right.
I've thought this for years, man.

Speaker 1 I was going to wear my jean jacket, and I forgot.

Speaker 1 I love the jean jacket.

Speaker 1 Nobody does it better than you, dude, ever.

Speaker 2 And you still look 17, too.

Speaker 1 It's just. Yeah, what's your deal? Why do you look so fucking young?

Speaker 2 You know, he's not eating fucking chin chin every night, Sean.

Speaker 1 We went

Speaker 1 Swedish fish. Yeah,

Speaker 2 he's not bleeding Swedish fish out of his ass.

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1 Hey, Kev, can I ask you something?

Speaker 1 No, no, hey, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's Kev. Sorry.
I'm not sure it's Kevin.

Speaker 1 You can Kev me. You can Kev me.
My brother's name is Kevin. I don't actually like Kev.
Listen,

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell you

Speaker 1 this is the truth. I can't stand the name Kevin.
Really? I didn't like it when I was young. I don't like it now.

Speaker 1 Kevin, if you read, look at movies and scripts, and even in the UK, they use it as an insult. Hey, that Kevin.
You know, it's like a, it's like a...

Speaker 2 It's like a Karen.

Speaker 1 Is that the male Karen? Yeah, it's like a Karen. It's like a Karen.
Exactly. It's like a Karen, but it's also like, my name's Keith, and his name's Kevin, and I'm a plaster, and he's a plumber.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like that kind of thing, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like real sort of toughness.

Speaker 1 Kevin, my brother's name is Kevin. That's why I default of Kevin.
My point is that I do like the name Kev. You do like Kev? Yeah.
So, yeah, so you're allowed to Kev. You can Kev Kev me all you want.

Speaker 1 What about K, like

Speaker 1 KB?

Speaker 1 No? KB. KB is great.

Speaker 1 All right, so my question is, and Kevin, we can totally cut this, but I'm only asking because hard-hitting.

Speaker 1 No, because

Speaker 1 when I saw it in the news, I was like, oh, my heart went out to you. So we can cut this if you want.
But the Bernie Madoff thing. When that happened to you, I know it was years ago, but

Speaker 1 I can't imagine what that was like going through that. Like, because I saw it, I was like, wait, Kevin Bacon's affected.
I really did feel so bad about it.

Speaker 2 I'm the dummy who doesn't know that story.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me neither. Oh, that is the story.
I made some money in Madoff. Yeah, that's the story.
Yeah. Yeah, we haven't, we had, we had

Speaker 1 most of our money in Madoff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's obvious life lessons there. You know, if something is too good to be true, it's too good to be true.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And when something like that happens, you know,

Speaker 1 you look at each other and you go, well,

Speaker 1 that sucks. And

Speaker 1 let's roll up our sleeves and get to work. You know, we've made it this far.

Speaker 1 Our kids are healthy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're healthy. Yeah.
You know, let's look at the, you know, what we have that's good. We can still both work.
And,

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, certainly, you know, you get angry and stuff. But I have to say that

Speaker 1 that dude,

Speaker 1 there were a lot of people who were much worse off than we were. You know, old people, people whose retirement funds were completely

Speaker 1 decimated.

Speaker 1 So there's always going to be somebody that's going to have it a lot worse than you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever. The cliché is all, you know,

Speaker 1 work, whatever. It doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
And, you know, we just rolled up our sleeves. Right.

Speaker 1 There was also a story, I remember reading this thing, that a lot of people were made whole by that in the end. Were you guys, did you guys recoup any of that?

Speaker 1 Again, we can cut it, but were you guys get anything back? Or was it? Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's very,

Speaker 1 it's a complicated

Speaker 1 thing to explain, which would just be too, I'll be happy to tell you about it someday, but it'd just be too deep in the weeds. But basically yes um

Speaker 1 we got sort of like a uh us you know a portion of of some money back and and there was also um

Speaker 1 you know a lawsuit and stuff like that but you know the thing about it is is that

Speaker 1 it looks like a certain amount of money right there's the money that you put in to something and then there's the money that you've in theory gotten uh you know accrued with interest over the years but that's just that that's not real that's just the number that was on a piece of paper

Speaker 1 because it was a, yeah, it was not a real thing. So you have to really just kind of switch your whole idea about Matrix and stuff like this.
I think people will be

Speaker 1 not happy to hear me whining about money.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 I will say this, you know, just listening to the way you talk about it, and it makes, no, I read a great article,

Speaker 1 you know, in anticipation of us talking today from talking about you in having reaching like a different, having a second wind and stuff, and the article was from 1994, which was almost 30 years ago.

Speaker 1 And I thought to me,

Speaker 1 it sort of

Speaker 1 reinforced this idea that I have that you're a guy who's able to kind of move on and adapt and change.

Speaker 1 Again, you came out, you were in the biggest movie, you were in Footloose, you were in the cover of People Magazine,

Speaker 1 and you did a bunch of big studio movies, and then all of a sudden you're like, I'm going to start doing interesting roles because I want to work with directors who matter to me.

Speaker 1 And reading that from 30 years ago, and you've continued to do it, and you've gone, like, you know, what I'm gonna do a TV series, I'm gonna do a broadcast series, and now you're doing this cable series sitting on the hill.

Speaker 1 You, you've like consistently done stuff, I guess, challenged yourself, but and people say also reinvent yourself, but I don't know, that term is misleading. It's like reinvent to them.

Speaker 1 To you, you're just growing, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 What is that thing inside you that makes you just kind of wake up every day and go, now I'm going to go this way? Now I'm going to go that way.

Speaker 1 I guess it's,

Speaker 1 I don't know, you know,

Speaker 1 I'd love to tell you that it was a grand scheme, but it really is just a question of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Speaker 1 And also just kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, when I started out, there was no plan B.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I was just like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. I'm, you know, I moved to New York.
And it's what you love to do. So it's what I love to do.
I love it. I love acting.
I don't tire of it at all.

Speaker 1 The time between action and cut, to me, is still just the best.

Speaker 1 I love it. The rest of it, I've lost patience for.
I have to admit, you know, the things that sort of have to go along with it. But the actual time where I'm on that set,

Speaker 1 the cameras are rolling, I'm with other actors, tossing the ball back. I still love it.
And I think that, you know, you like to say that, you know, there's no secret to longevity.

Speaker 1 Longevity is a secret. If you just, you know, just fucking hang in there, you know, and

Speaker 1 if you suck when you begin, you're going to get better eventually, you know? Right.

Speaker 1 What was the first paycheck you got for an acting gig? Yeah, I'll tell you, I was about

Speaker 1 15 or 16. I was still in Philly.
I moved to New York when I was 17, when I got out of high school. But I was still in high school.
And

Speaker 1 so I heard about from a friend of a friend or something that there was this job to be a

Speaker 1 kid in a, it was like a ROTC recruitment video. And it was going to pay, I think,

Speaker 1 $450 or something like that.

Speaker 1 I was like freaking out. I was like, this is the greatest thing.

Speaker 1 Now, my mother

Speaker 1 was a serious anti-war activist and civil rights activist. Took me down to DC when I was a kid, you know, marching on Washington.
And

Speaker 1 clearly,

Speaker 1 this was after the Vietnam Nam war had ended, but it wasn't so far on the heels of Vietnam. And she was super anti-military.
So I got this gig

Speaker 1 and I said, I'm taking it. And she didn't speak to me for like a week.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And yeah, she was furious. She was furious.
Yeah, but at that moment, you know, at that moment, I did that thing

Speaker 1 that I think it's Robert Bly talks about, you know, in Iron John, where you steal the key underneath the

Speaker 1 queen's bed.

Speaker 1 It's a, you know, you know, a rite of passage of a young man to you know walk away from his mother,

Speaker 1 which you know, we all hopefully do eventually. I was around the same age, around the same age, I got my ear pierced.

Speaker 1 My mom didn't talk to me for like a week, and then uh and that's your moment, right? And you go, no, I want this. That was his moment, yeah.

Speaker 2 Really, it was a nipple piercing. I think a nipple piercing really sealed it.
And

Speaker 2 your dad put it in drive, and that was that.

Speaker 1 I'm surprised she could hear you over the erasure music that was playing.

Speaker 2 Wait, Kev, go ahead, Kevin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that was it. That was the first gig.
And I went and I did it.

Speaker 1 And it was awesome.

Speaker 2 How do you and Kira have you? You maintain such an incredible success story as far as marriage goes. You guys have been together so long with two very vibrant careers, never working in the same city.

Speaker 2 I'm sure there's tons of overlap with your schedules.

Speaker 2 It's got to be an effort. I mean, to the extent you're comfortable talking, you know, details and strategies,

Speaker 2 what's the secret there?

Speaker 2 It's a difficult thing to do, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Well, you know as well as I do that over the years you learned the power of no, and that's the question that I am

Speaker 1 trying not to answer.

Speaker 1 So I will respectfully decline to answer that. But I'm also going to tell you, I'm going to tell you why.
I'm going to tell you why I won't answer it. And the reason is, is that

Speaker 1 what happens is

Speaker 1 you say something like, well, she's my best friend. Or, you know,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 we just, whatever the fuck it is, you know, just some fucking quote. And then people use that quote and you take whatever, 34 years of marriage, and it gets reduced to

Speaker 1 something that either comes out of my, whether it comes out of my mouth or not. I love that.
It's a great answer, though, man. I totally, totally, totally agree.
Especially now more than ever.

Speaker 1 I've had instances where where like stuff's happened in my life and then it goes like it just becomes like a click link. And you're like, my life is now a fucking click link? Like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm just curious about that, that whole sort of distance makes relationships difficult. You know, military families,

Speaker 2 professional athletes,

Speaker 1 anybody that's astra, great point, Will. Their distance could be greater than that.
Yeah, exactly. Really far away.

Speaker 2 But because

Speaker 1 you guys don't work together a ton, right you have worked together for sure no we have we have yeah i've directed her she's directed me we've we've and and we've done a little bit of acting together but you know i think that you you're making the point it's true people think that um

Speaker 1 because of the distance and distance is hard and because you have two actors i think on a lot of people's minds they think well they're two actors so the first thing their mind goes to is like sex scenes or love scenes or kissing other people or all those kinds of things yeah yeah um And then, and so, so that's what goes in people's minds.

Speaker 1 And then they think, well,

Speaker 1 most Hollywood relations break up. And here's the thing: most marriages break up.
Marriage sucks. Marriage doesn't work.
Let's face it. The statistics are absolutely terrible.
That's our click.

Speaker 1 No, I don't care.

Speaker 1 You can't. Thanks, Kevin.
You can't. Right, exactly.
There you go. I'm fine.
I'm fine going on the record with that because these are just numbers.

Speaker 1 But you can't prove to me that

Speaker 1 two dentists have more successful marriages than two actors. I don't know that that statistic really, you know.

Speaker 1 That being said, I will say that

Speaker 1 we do

Speaker 1 plane strains and automobiles to try to get to each other as often as is physically possible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 With the emphasis on physical. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And with the kids growing up, I'm sure the kids put in

Speaker 2 another element of complication and challenge, and that's tough to do as well, right? I mean,

Speaker 2 all this is just projection. But it's, again, for the military families and the professional athletes and all

Speaker 2 that distance, that vagabond.

Speaker 1 The astronauts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and the astronauts.

Speaker 1 You guys know, you guys know, you've been married a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The kids.

Speaker 1 This is what I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, my, yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 My kids,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 they were raised in New York. And

Speaker 1 I think that there's challenges to having two

Speaker 1 famous people as parents

Speaker 1 that are just inherent. And

Speaker 1 I wish that wasn't true. In a funny kind of way, you think to yourself, well,

Speaker 1 Kira and I have no one to blame but ourselves for being famous, but the kids, it was kind of thrust upon them

Speaker 1 in a way, right?

Speaker 1 They didn't ask for this. And there is a weird moment where they start to, you know, for the first time, they start to go.

Speaker 1 You're holding a kid's hand and someone comes up and wants to, you know, take a picture or an autograph. You have to let that kid's hand go.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know? Yeah.
And the kid's like, what the fuck? I don't even know this guy. Like, who is the, why is this stranger, you know, stranger danger.
By the way, you've taught them all speaking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's the moment. It's an important lesson for them to learn when you let their hand go, which is what you're saying is

Speaker 1 my celebrity is more important to me than you. And they need to know that.
Just take a second. Daddy's got to do something.

Speaker 1 You know what's funny? You know what's funny? I just got back to where I was on the East Coast all summer.

Speaker 1 We're out on Long Island, deep in Long Island, and it makes Jason crazy. And so it's so blue collar.
And no, thanks, man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you just run in the bowling alley out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm just, I work on diesel engines. Yeah, I work on diesel engines.
So maybe I already told you this, but I was in the car. I'm a lobster fisherman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Checking my pots every day out there. And so anyway, so I'm getting in the car with the kids in town and this guy comes up and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 I wants to talk to his wife and wants to take a picture and saying, hey, man.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 the best part is now people come up and they're like, hey, tell Bateman, blah, blah, blah, and Sean and Scotty. I'm like, hey, you don't know them, so shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 But they go, the guy says all this stuff. So then I get in the car and my son, who's just turned 12, he's behind me.

Speaker 1 And I pull out of the parking spot in town and he's kind of quiet in the car and he just goes, hey, Will, you're a legend, man. And I go, hey, man.

Speaker 1 He starts hassling me from the back, mocking me from the back seat. You're the greatest, man, like this.
And I'm like, dude, I know. It's weird.
I did it. I'm sorry.
They keep you real.

Speaker 1 And they keep me real. And I was like, but I was also happy that he had that kind of

Speaker 1 great kind of perspective on it. You know what I mean? Like it was kind of great.
And he made fun of me, which is great. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They get a really serious bullshit meter very, very early on because they can see it, you know, from the people that are surrounding their lives.

Speaker 1 And the other thing is, you know, I feel like to a certain extent,

Speaker 1 you can't beat yourself up too much about it because that's what you do. Yeah.
That's what we do. So other people have other challenges.
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 So, Kevin, how was the summer?

Speaker 2 Did you do anything super exciting this summer or was it nice and chill and relaxed and just played that guitar

Speaker 2 in your shot there?

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 1 spending a lot of time. We have

Speaker 1 a farm, and so I was spending a lot of time with the animals and riding pretty much every day.

Speaker 1 And I was out with my brother touring. I have a band with my brother.
Yeah, I was going to ask him, tell us about that. On the road now.

Speaker 1 So we've been playing.

Speaker 1 We were on one little run, and I got the vid. So we had to shut down.
And then we picked up.

Speaker 2 How was your time with that? Easy?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it wasn't great.

Speaker 1 It wasn't great, but it was not, you know, I didn't go to the hospital or anything. So that was great.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 now we're out doing a little bit more playing.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 did a movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a movie, maybe a couple of them. I can't remember.

Speaker 1 I know. This is amazing.

Speaker 1 Like, of course he did. I like the way he's like, I did a movie.
Yeah, of course. Maybe I did too.
I know, maybe I did too. I can't even remember.
It's just a three-month period recovering here.

Speaker 1 What was the thing for you?

Speaker 1 Who are the people that you kind of

Speaker 1 looked up to, like creatively? Who are the guys? Like, when you were a teenager, you're like, I want, I like this shit or I like that stuff.

Speaker 2 Like, who is the man?

Speaker 1 Directors or actors?

Speaker 2 Who is the Kevin Bacon?

Speaker 1 Yeah, who is your Kevin Bacon? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, for me, it was, okay, so I moved to New York, which is is kind of when I think of my career as starting

Speaker 1 around

Speaker 1 1976. Did you see a lot of theater there? I did a lot of theater, yeah, a lot of theater.

Speaker 1 Very kind of fun. And Animal House, I think, I started in 1978, something like that.

Speaker 1 Was that your first film, Animal House? That was my first, that was my first movie, yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 But I can tell you that the people at that point, to me, it was the movies and the people surrounding Sidney LeMet,

Speaker 1 Francis Ford Coppola,

Speaker 1 Michael Cimino. So, you know,

Speaker 1 De Niro and Pacino and Meryl Streep and Raul Giulia and

Speaker 1 John Casall

Speaker 1 and all of those gritty kind of like

Speaker 1 Dustin Hoffman. I mean, really, when I, one of the most influential things, yeah, yeah, for me was I saw back to back.

Speaker 1 We had had a dollar in Philly we had a dollar um second run theater it was a you could you could see films for a dollar and back to back

Speaker 1 they had the graduate and

Speaker 1 Midnight Cowboy now when I saw when I saw Dustin in that I looked at Midnight Cowboy first that was the first one that that I saw because they were all both in second run and I went wow where'd they get that homeless guy to be in the movie?

Speaker 1 A cowboy? Where'd they get a cowboy and a homeless guy? How did they get them to actually do this?

Speaker 1 And then, right after

Speaker 1 cut to the preppy guy. And I went, holy shit, that's what acting is.
And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 Did you have a group of friends, though, that at that time in high school who were in that same mindset as you, or were you like alone in this old, like your own thing?

Speaker 1 I was alone in my own head about that. Yeah.
Yeah. The only thing is, I had this one kid who I was friends with who was

Speaker 1 wealthy, and his father had something that was unheard of, which was a giant home video system.

Speaker 1 And I think it couldn't have been VHS, it must have been some other, like, really, really early

Speaker 1 or like Laserdisc. Remember Laserdisc? No, this is before that.
That was way before Laserdisc. Yeah, it was the 70s.

Speaker 1 And he was

Speaker 1 he turned me on.

Speaker 1 He turned me on to,

Speaker 1 he was obsessed with Brando and Clifton Dean and the switch in the style of acting that existed there.

Speaker 1 So he was the only person. He wasn't an actor, but

Speaker 1 he was

Speaker 1 a strange kind of movie buff. So I kind of got started to get into that stuff.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 those were my people.

Speaker 2 With all of that, and these guys will make fun of me because I ask this question all the time, but with all of that experience, that set experience, all the hundreds and hundreds of directors you've heard.

Speaker 1 What do you forget about directing?

Speaker 2 No, he has directed.

Speaker 1 And my question is,

Speaker 2 do you not like it as much as acting?

Speaker 2 Given all that you've absorbed, do you not find it

Speaker 2 that it demands all those things that you've absorbed beyond just the acting?

Speaker 1 Well, someday I want to

Speaker 1 really sit you down and sound you on

Speaker 1 your great work as a director, but also on your great work as directing yourself,

Speaker 1 which is something that I find really kind of incredibly challenging. I've done it a little bit.
I've directed City on a Hill, but

Speaker 1 I find that really kind of like mind-blowing that people can do that well.

Speaker 2 But you're aware of how you're performing while you're performing, right? You're sort of self-directing the whole time, aren't you?

Speaker 2 When you do your thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I am.

Speaker 1 I think it's less about knowing if I got it or not and more about just the overwhelming consumptive thing that happens to you when you have to direct and you have to answer, you know, questions from dawn to dusk and then beyond, you know, just having all that kind of responsibility and then also being able to 100% throw yourself into the role.

Speaker 1 I would like to direct more. It's, it's, it's, but as you know, when it comes to a film, you know, that's an easy year of your life.
Done. Right.
So, so

Speaker 1 I keep getting these acting gigs that I go, oh man, but that's like I haven't, I haven't been that guy yet. So I really keep going back to

Speaker 1 acting. But, you know,

Speaker 1 it'll happen again.

Speaker 1 Do you ever develop, forgive me because I think I should know that answer. I don't know if I can forgive you.

Speaker 1 Until I hear what it is. Oh, you're a listen, Kev.
Okay. I've forgotten his name.
Mr. Bacon, do you develop stuff for your,

Speaker 1 do you develop your own thing for yourself, like roles for yourself? And do you enjoy doing that? Or is that like a big headache? I love that. I love that.
I really do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do. I'm always looking for

Speaker 1 books, stories, ideas. We have

Speaker 1 something that

Speaker 1 we're working on now.

Speaker 1 Kieran and I are both involved in it. It's a little bit of a secret, but we're, yeah, yeah, I really do.
I like the development process. I mean, it can be a little,

Speaker 1 you know, it can be a little frustrating, as you all know, when you put a lot of time into something and

Speaker 1 you go out, you take it around town, it gets passed on all over town which you know happens but but but we still try to we still try to keep it going okay so now you've done you've done so many different

Speaker 1 types of characters whatever and I'm gonna ask you the most basic question

Speaker 1 good good guys or bad guys what do you write what do you like playing more well because you do them both so fucking well yeah

Speaker 1 I don't care. I mean, I don't care if the character is a well-written, complicated, interesting

Speaker 1 character. If he's a good guy or a bad guy, I don't care.
The thing that I don't do is worry about

Speaker 1 what the character does and how it's going to reflect on me as a person.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't care at all what people think of me image-wise. I really just want to be known for the work.
It's a little bit of a hassle in this career,

Speaker 1 as I've come to learn, is that there is this other thing outside of the work that I almost wish didn't even exist. You know, if I could just go and

Speaker 1 present company excluded, if I could just go and

Speaker 1 just do the say the lines and hit the marks and not have to do any of the rest of it,

Speaker 1 I would.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to

Speaker 1 taking on things that are people that do horrible shit or

Speaker 1 are, you know, I've done a lot of terrible, terrible things in the characters I've played.

Speaker 1 That doesn't scare me at all.

Speaker 1 So it's not so much that the character's good or bad as it is,

Speaker 1 you know, are they complex? Are they different than the guy that I just played? You know,

Speaker 1 is there just good shit to play? I mean, you know, you guys know.

Speaker 2 Do you ever get close to thinking about, yeah, you know what, I've done enough of this. What about full-time music now?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 you ever get close to that?

Speaker 1 No, I still really love being an actor.

Speaker 2 And the music you love, love doing, right?

Speaker 1 I love the music. I love the music.
And we've just, you know, put out new music.

Speaker 1 I've been doing a lot of writing.

Speaker 1 I continue to write. You know, it's one of those things where

Speaker 1 what really keeps driving the band is not so much the desire to,

Speaker 1 I mean, people would find this hard to believe, but it's not really that I want to be a rock star fantasy. Definitely that was in there when I was a kid for sure.
All my heroes had guitars.

Speaker 1 That was the deal when I was like in my early teens.

Speaker 1 But, you know, you write a song and then

Speaker 1 you play your song for your wife, and then you play your song for your brother,

Speaker 1 and then you want to put it out in front of people, and then you want to cut it. So

Speaker 1 if the songwriting keeps coming, you know, that's just really what drives it. Yeah, I love that.
And it's you and your brother Michael, right? Is that yeah, me and my brother Mike, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we um we put the band together probably in 1995.

Speaker 1 he was he's about nine years older than me and he's a musician he's a composer he's a can arrange he writes he's got you know awards he's like a classically trained musician I'm just a plunk I love that yeah wait a minute how many kids in your fam in your family six I'm the youngest of six I'm the youngest of five I have a brother named Kevin and Michael who are your other siblings Uh oh wow we have four sisters uh yeah four sisters my my sister Karen my sister Eleanor, Hilda, and

Speaker 1 Kira, who's she changed her name to Kira, spelled slightly differently than my wife, because my parents were terrible name givers, and they named her Prudence.

Speaker 1 And she was like, probably about, I don't know, 18 or 19. And she was like, fuck this, Prudence.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 I wasn't going to say that your parents are terrible name givers. I was going to say, though, I remarked that both you and your brother,

Speaker 1 you go Kevin, you like Kevin, he likes Mike instead of Michael and Kevin. So

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 they were not good. They were not good with the names.
They were not good with the names.

Speaker 1 What were their names? Their names were Edmund and Ruth.

Speaker 1 Our kids are named Travis and Soci, and you'll get a kick out of this. Both names came off of crew lists when Kira was pregnant.
So

Speaker 1 yeah, she was shooting something pregnant, and

Speaker 1 we found out she's pregnant. We just go down to the crew list and

Speaker 1 pick a name.

Speaker 1 No way. So so

Speaker 1 jason you can relate to that right so

Speaker 1 i know and she's a great actress she's amazing thank you thank you yeah she's she's doing great i love her i'm a big fan of her that's but that's so awesome that you and your brother have this this connection with something you both love and that you get to do together uh i love that idea that you guys have been sort of doing it for a long time yeah i want to see you guys play i know i know we should speaking of music sean i can't wait to hear your uh see your show is it coming into new Oh, thanks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's very nice of you. Yeah, Good Night Oscar.
It opens at the, it's at the Belasco Theater, and we open April 7th. The Belasco Theater? Go to Belasco.
That's so exciting.

Speaker 1 The theater on your tickets. April 7th? Is that what you said, Sean? Opening the Belasco Theater.
April 7th, 2023, I think.

Speaker 2 WWE.

Speaker 1 Listen, Kevin, Kev,

Speaker 1 Kev, what about if you and Mike write a musical for Sean? That would be something, right? There you go. Come on.

Speaker 1 You'd have to be in it. How do you feel about a rock musical?

Speaker 1 Do you like singing rock? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of what I'm saying. Sing some rock, Sean, real quick for us, just so we can get it.

Speaker 1 Bacon in the morning, bacon in the evening, bacon all summer night.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's funny. You're singing about bacon, but it seems like your brain is full of scrambled eggs because that was terrible.
Hey,

Speaker 1 listen, Kev, we have... That was horrible.
That was horrible. Hey, what's worried about? We've monopolized your time.
I feel like we could talk to you for about three hours.

Speaker 1 You're just such a good dude.

Speaker 1 You're the greatest. I wish our paths had crossed, we had crossed paths more, but hopefully we will in the future, man.
You're just, you're a good dude, and you're so good at what you do.

Speaker 1 Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2 Thank you for doing this, Kevin.

Speaker 1 Kevin, thank you. We love you so much.
Blast. Bye, pal.
Okay. Talk to you soon.
Okay, pal. Peace.
All right, man. Bye, Kev.
Bye.

Speaker 1 He's something else, huh? Yeah. Old Kay Bakes.
Love him. Kay Bakes.
Kay Bakes.

Speaker 1 Can we start that? Something else. Yeah, we're starting Kay Bakes right now.

Speaker 1 By the way, if you see, if you happen to see Kev on the street, old Kay Bakes, just go up to him and say, hey, Kay Bakes, you know, feel free.

Speaker 1 We have got to start that. if you see kevin bacon on the streets hey k bakes what up

Speaker 2 it's like cupcakes yeah uh

Speaker 1 what's uh we need to bake cupcakes with his face on it man how many so how many films has he done willie you said a whole page is out he has his own wonder i wonder if he's hit a he's probably hit 100 he has to i'm gonna say

Speaker 2 100 movies so that would mean so he's been in the business since he was 15. what do you think he is now it won't listen

Speaker 2 to 53 do you think he's 60 yet?

Speaker 1 What's his, what's his,

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 1 I know how old he is, and you, you try to guess because he looks incredible. Well,

Speaker 2 if I'm 53, then he's, he might not yet be 60, but he's older than I am.

Speaker 1 Sean, what do you think? I was going to say late 50s. You ready for this? I'm ready.
64.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. So then he's been doing it for 50 years.

Speaker 1 He's been doing it since 1970. What do you say? 1976 was his first acting gig, 1976 when he did that ROTC.
Right.

Speaker 2 So we're coming up on 50 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 That's amazing. And so that's two films a year.
He's probably done 100 films.

Speaker 1 I love it. He was like, I think I did two films last year.
I know he can't.

Speaker 2 I think that's like a baseball player, you know, 3,000 hits or something. I think if you do 100 movies, that is a real award.

Speaker 1 100 movies.

Speaker 1 And also television. And he's done series in there too.

Speaker 1 And in the movies, I mean, he's worked with everybody. Barry Levinson.

Speaker 2 There's a reason it's six degrees of Kevin Bacon, Bacon, right?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't think you can do that about that. You know what? I was really happy that we didn't bring that up.

Speaker 2 I was too. I was very proud of it.

Speaker 1 Imagine how exhausted he is hearing about that. Yeah, but don't you kind of want to talk about it? I think you made up for it with the Footloose references.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Sean went straight away with the Footloose.

Speaker 2 I know made off stuff. I mean, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Hey, man.

Speaker 1 Do you lose a bunch of dough?

Speaker 1 Hey, this is a subject I'm sure you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, in minute five.

Speaker 1 I was just curious.

Speaker 1 What was your biggest disappointment? We had to warm up the guest. What are you doing, Sean? I thought I was actually genuinely interested.
I'm sure there's other people that are genuinely interested.

Speaker 1 Did Skeva, when he got on the hair, did he clip part of the brain out? What happened? Did he?

Speaker 1 Have you got a leak back there? What happened? No, the only leak is my Swedish fish leak. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Yeah, I was just going to say, it's just getting.

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Speaker 4 Served still slightly warm and fed mostly to seven-month-old Harper and her three-year-old doodle named Arthur, who helped clean up any remainder.

Speaker 4 The essential first bite, made possible by Vitamix, only the essential.