"Johnny Knoxville"

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Speaker 3 Super, super fast. Can I ask you a quick question, though, before we...
I know we're doing a quick intro. No, you're a Smartless.

Speaker 3 I know we're going to get to it in one second, but

Speaker 3 can I ask you a quick question? What is it?

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Smart.

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Speaker 5 Jason, good morning.

Speaker 6 Good morning. Listen.

Speaker 3 Good morning, Jason. How's your morning been?

Speaker 6 It's been stressful. I just went through 45 minutes of tech hell because I bought a new laptop.

Speaker 6 Why did you buy a new laptop?

Speaker 3 Why did you get the new one? Why did you need it?

Speaker 6 Okay, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 6 You've got a couple of kids. Now, the laptops that they're using, are they not your old laptops? Or do you buy them freshies?

Speaker 3 Both my kids don't have a laptop, only my 13-year-old.

Speaker 6 Okay, what about him? Do you buy him a new one or do you give him your old one?

Speaker 3 We got him a new one, his own one, a couple years ago for school. Okay.

Speaker 7 Well, okay.

Speaker 6 So I give Hand-Me-Down laptops to my girls.

Speaker 6 And...

Speaker 3 Has somebody got construction going on? Is it what you're doing? That's not mine.

Speaker 5 It's me. Yeah.
Do you like that?

Speaker 3 Good for you. Is that the work on your house?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I can open up up the windows if you'd rather open the window.

Speaker 3 Did you just ask them if they can do it louder?

Speaker 5 Sure, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Are you...

Speaker 6 This is.

Speaker 3 This is the fucking gang who couldn't shoot straight over here this morning.

Speaker 6 It's going to be the best episode.

Speaker 3 You don't want to take them to fucking. I've had them power down during while we're doing it.
What am I going to do?

Speaker 5 They're in the trenches of my driveway because there's leakage and they have to reroute the gas line.

Speaker 6 I had some leakage this morning and it didn't affect my start time. Just my laptop replacement did.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, but otherwise, everything else going good?

Speaker 6 What about you? Will is everything perfect in your world?

Speaker 3 That seems like it.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, sort of. I've been working.
I've been finishing off. I just signed off.
You know, I'm doing my new show, my Murderville show over there on the floor. Well, let's plug that real quick.

Speaker 3 What's it called? Murderville. And it's kind of funny.

Speaker 6 Where can the viewers find that?

Speaker 3 They can watch it on Netflix.

Speaker 6 At what time?

Speaker 3 What do you mean, at what time? It's not a schedule. Whatever time they want.
That's the whole point.

Speaker 6 What time does it come on? Is it like, what's the slot?

Speaker 3 It's not 8:30 Mountain.

Speaker 7 Right after Newhart.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 What's the lead in?

Speaker 3 I mean, the local news.

Speaker 6 When does it premiere?

Speaker 3 We go local news, and then,

Speaker 3 but it's kind of like you saw it. It's kind of a hybrid.

Speaker 3 Improv show. Oh, I want to see it.

Speaker 5 And it comes on

Speaker 3 early Feb. Okay.
First week of Feb around the 3rd or something.

Speaker 6 Short for February.

Speaker 3 Short for February. I don't have a lot of time.
And you saw, Sean, you haven't seen the first episode is Conan and Me. And I have the guests.

Speaker 5 I can catch it in reruns, though.

Speaker 3 You can catch it in reruns, and guests come on, and then they try to solve a murder with me, and they have no idea. I don't give them a script.

Speaker 6 I love it. And this is a game show.
So if they solve the murder, they win money.

Speaker 3 No, they don't win a car. They don't win money.
They just win respect.

Speaker 6 So it's not a game show. It is an unscripted/slash scripted

Speaker 3 experience. Yeah, experience.
And it's a lot of laughter. And we goof around.
We have great guests. And

Speaker 3 they kind of improvise. We don't give them anything.
And then I improvise with them. And we go and we interview suspects.

Speaker 3 It's fun. it's just good clean fun that was a pretty long plug um yeah murderville no streaming now on what if you're like la law on nbc

Speaker 6 8 30. um

Speaker 6 well um

Speaker 3 yeah anyway i need to get into loose hijinksy chat mode yeah i know i'm all stressed out in my tech mode well guess what here this is going to make you very happy then because our guest likes to keep it loose and chatty.

Speaker 3 He is somebody that you, Jason, I think that you know Sean. I'm not sure that you do.

Speaker 3 This is a guy

Speaker 3 who has done, who's been really sort of like a trailblazer. He's kind of created his own universe

Speaker 3 that's very specific and really funny and really different. And he came on the scene, the scene, what scene? I think he sort of...

Speaker 5 Well, the murder scene. The murder.
Yeah, the murder scene. No, he came.

Speaker 3 Andrew Dice Clay. It's not dice, but maybe he could do a dice impression when he gets here.

Speaker 3 This is somebody who's super, super funny.

Speaker 3 He has created a whole sort of vibe.

Speaker 3 He's a guy who is not afraid to get his hands dirty. In fact, he just gets his whole body in there.

Speaker 3 He was born with the name Philip John Clapp.

Speaker 3 His friends call him PJ.

Speaker 3 You know, he's from Knoxville, Tennessee. So you know him as Johnny Knoxville.
Johnny Knoxville.

Speaker 3 Hello, Louise. Hello, PJ.
Look at this guy.

Speaker 6 How you doing? Oh, man.

Speaker 3 What's up?

Speaker 6 I'm so sorry to keep you waiting.

Speaker 4 All the tech garbage. I love being a witness to the sound check because I like seeing how the sausage is made.

Speaker 6 It was dirty sausage this morning. Real dirty sausage.

Speaker 3 Did you witness how close to the edge Bateman was? Like how much he was so close to snapping?

Speaker 4 Like he's never seen a computer in his life.

Speaker 6 I had that look on my face last night when we tried to do ads, right? And it totally blew up in my face.

Speaker 3 He did and he let it record yesterday.

Speaker 4 I mean, just this man's in charge of people. He runs sets and he's never seen a computer in his life.

Speaker 3 He doesn't know what the computers do. And he was excited to have the new Monterey operating system, even though he doesn't know why it makes his life better.

Speaker 3 He's just excited because he likes, you like the name, be honest. You like the name Monterey.

Speaker 6 Monterey was better than Catalina.

Speaker 3 And you actually thought that.

Speaker 5 You actually thought that the laptop, and you can only have it on your lap, never on a table or anything else.

Speaker 6 Maybe that was that's what I asked the guys. I said, Now I've got my computer on a table.

Speaker 3 Could that be it? Yeah.

Speaker 6 They said, Yeah, put it on your lap, you dumbass.

Speaker 6 Um, PJ, where do we find you uh today?

Speaker 4 I'm in the city of Los Angeles. Uh, I just got finished recording my radio show

Speaker 4 with my cousin. I do on Outlaw Country every week called the Big Ass Happy Family Jubilee.
It ain't too good, but it's long. And

Speaker 7 that was

Speaker 3 Will's handle in high school, I think, right?

Speaker 3 Just like

Speaker 6 and then they started calling him pencil. And then he, yeah.

Speaker 3 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah.
I mean, okay. Let's let's acknowledge.
Now let's move on. So, PJ, tell us how long you've been doing this radio show.
What are you talking about, man?

Speaker 4 I've been doing it. We've done over 500 shows.
Wow.

Speaker 3 Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 4 My cousin Roger Allen Wade and I

Speaker 4 do it once a week. It comes on Saturday nights at 8 p.m.
Eastern, 5 specific. And it's the highlight of my week.
I get to hang out with him for an hour and we can play any music we want.

Speaker 4 Mostly good old 70s, outlaw country 60s, but we can play punk, we can play whatever. And I mean, we played Liza Minelli.

Speaker 3 I'm in.

Speaker 6 Will and I played Liza Minelli a little bit on Arrested Development.

Speaker 3 We sure did. Yeah, yeah.
That's right.

Speaker 6 I think we, didn't we both, we both kissed her?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we both kissed Liza Minelli. Something that we never thought we'd do.

Speaker 6 At the same time.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 5 I've never had the pleasure of meeting you. I don't think, or maybe briefly once, a long, long time.
Do I call you PJ? Do I call you Johnny?

Speaker 4 You can call me that. You can call me Puddin.

Speaker 4 Were you with LW1 back in the day?

Speaker 5 I don't know what that is.

Speaker 4 The commercial agency, LW1?

Speaker 5 Oh. Me? No, I wasn't.

Speaker 6 Because he looked familiar to PJ, Sean. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because you used to get every commercial back in the day.

Speaker 3 Sure. Sean used to get every commercial.
Like Tostito Scoopers probably did that, right? Because they're so easy on game day to just scoop, right? right? That was your whole.

Speaker 5 No, maybe I saw you then. No, but do your friends, like, do your friends call you PJ or?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, PJ or Knoxville, you know, either.

Speaker 3 Okay, yeah. Every time you say PJ, I look at Jason's talking to somebody off camera saying, what time are we wheels up? So listen, so PJ, let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 You mentioned the...

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 commercial work. So when you first came to Los Angeles many, many moons ago,

Speaker 3 did you move to LA to be an actor specifically?

Speaker 3 Because I know you did a lot of commercials, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I moved to L.A. to become an actor.
You know, the best thing to come out of Tennessee is I-40 West. So I got out of town two weeks after high school and went to the

Speaker 4 American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena for their summer program.

Speaker 3 Wow, that's so cool. Wow.

Speaker 4 And I went like two weeks. It was a six-week program.
I went two weeks, didn't go back. You know, I was just interested in partying.
And that's all I did for the first six years.

Speaker 3 Is that true?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would take some acting classes

Speaker 4 and kind of pursue acting, but I was more interested in partying. And that didn't stop until my then-girlfriend got pregnant with my daughter.
And I'm like, oh, I need to do something and quick.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 4 I live next door to Antoine Fouqua.

Speaker 4 And he put me in touch with a casting director who got me an agent. And my friend John Lenson put me in touch with

Speaker 4 the editor of Bikini magazine and I started writing articles for them. That's what I really became focused when I knew I had a mouth to feed.

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 3 I like the idea that you go like, my then girlfriend got pregnant and I looked out the window. I thought, I got to jump out this window and film it.

Speaker 4 That was my best guess, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like my father told Rolling Stone, they're like, why do you think he does what he does? He goes, well, he's like that Dominican baseball player. He's not going to get off the island by bunting.

Speaker 4 So I had to really go for it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, tell me a little bit about. So, obviously, people, you really came into people's

Speaker 3 consciousness. Well, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Hold that thought for one second.

Speaker 4 Johnny, am I too loud? Yeah, it's a little hot. Let's just push the mic back by about.
Yeah. Now give us a chance.
There, check, check. One, two.

Speaker 3 Rob, you like that?

Speaker 4 Perfect. Thank you.
Great. Thanks.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know what kind of levels you like on your radio gig, man, but you know.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Are you on W w shout fm like what's going on

Speaker 3 dude

Speaker 3 dude so so i mean but you you um you know everybody knows you from the knows and loves the jackass show and the movies you guys have made what three movies so far?

Speaker 4 Well, Jackass Forever will be our fourth. It comes out February 4th, 2003.

Speaker 3 I can't wait. Right.
That comes out the day after Murderville.

Speaker 4 Murderville, I hear so much about Murderville. Is that on Netflix?

Speaker 3 It's on Netflix. It's streaming.
What time does that come on? The day before Jackass Forever at 8.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 What's its lead in? I'm doing all Jason's material.

Speaker 7 That's it.

Speaker 3 You've tapped it out.

Speaker 6 So now, PJ, you're pregnant, you're growing a baby, and you think, I got to start grabbing

Speaker 6 some money and get the coffers all nice and full. So you start writing for Bikini Magazine.
You've got an agent. You're doing auditions.

Speaker 6 And you think, well, let me get a third form of possible income in filming stunts. Was this all sort of simultaneous?

Speaker 4 The stunts grew out of my writing, right? I did a lot of participatory journalism stuff, poor imitations of Hunter S. Thompson.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I had an idea where I wanted to test self-defense equipment on myself, pepper spray myself, stun gun, taser gun, and shoot myself in the chest with a.38 while wearing a bulletproof vest. And

Speaker 5 wait, just pause just for a second there.

Speaker 3 Why? For an article, right? For an an article. Okay.

Speaker 5 Just so you could experience and then write about it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
I saw someone get pepper sprayed and a reporter get pepper sprayed on the news, and it was the funniest thing I'd seen. I'm like, what if I do a whole host of things to myself? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And a lot of magazines wanted me to do it.

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 4 But they wanted to treat it like a negative pickup and didn't want anything to do with it until I'm done. But I had zero cash at the time.

Speaker 4 I didn't have enough money to buy the pepper spray, the stun gun, the taser. I had to buy a bulletproof vest.
Whoa.

Speaker 4 So I remember I used my mom's Christmas money that year, which was $300, and bought the cheapest bulletproof vest they made.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 6 the corner you want to cut.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I called and I said, hey, are these really, is this best, really top form? They're, yeah, this is best, great, great bulletproof vest. And I said, good, because this is what I'm going to do.

Speaker 4 And they said, can we call you back?

Speaker 4 And I said, sure. And they call me back.
They, we can't recommend you doing that. Well, I'm like, it's too late.
I've already said I was going to.

Speaker 4 but anyway i took i took it around no one wanted to support me in it except for one guy and that was jeff tremaine who was the editor of big brother magazine a skateboarding magazine owned by larry flint and jeff you know went on to uh create and direct jackass with me and spike So I wrote it for Big Brother Magazine and the day before, a couple days before I was going to write the article or do the shoot, Jeff said we should film it and put it in our skateboard video because they were filming skate videos at the time.

Speaker 4 And I said, all right. And the day of, I went to pick up the cameraman, Dmitri

Speaker 4 Eliaskovich, who became our director of photography on Jackass.

Speaker 4 We have a lot of high-sounding

Speaker 4 titles for guys who don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 But anyway,

Speaker 4 Dimitri's on the side of the road. I'm like, okay, get in.
Let's go shoot. He goes, okay, here's play.
Here's pause. Here's stop.

Speaker 4 Just bring it back when you're done. I said, you're not coming.
He goes, no, I can't come. Because even Big Brother didn't want anything to do with it because I was shooting myself.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So you had to pull the trigger yourself.
You didn't have some. So it was point-blank range, literally.

Speaker 4 My friend, beautiful Jason, was supposed to shoot me once we just drove out the 14 and pulled off on the fire road because we didn't know where to go. And he got out there.

Speaker 4 He goes, I'm not shooting you.

Speaker 6 You should have done it in front of a hospital, dumb-dumb.

Speaker 6 You don't drive as far as you can away from any sort of civilization.

Speaker 3 We were so far.

Speaker 4 But I got out there and no one would shoot me. And also, like, the photographer had seen one of his friends die doing a stunt once, jumping off a hotel.
So he was really freaked out.

Speaker 4 And so I had to end up shooting myself and everyone's screaming not to do it. And my cameraman is like going all over with the camera.
Like, he almost misses me shooting myself. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 5 Wait, wait, wait. And so it wasn't a blank.
It was a real bullet.

Speaker 4 No, it was a real,

Speaker 3 yeah, there's no fake out.

Speaker 6 So.38 caliber bullet at point-blank range into a bargain chest protector, bulletproof vest, and obviously everything worked out okay. Did it knock you down? Did it hurt you?

Speaker 4 What it felt like is someone took a shovel and hit you in the chest with it. It knocked me back.
I dropped the gun, but I didn't fall down. Wow.

Speaker 4 The vest dispersed the impact.

Speaker 3 Wow, wow.

Speaker 5 And you liked it so much that you were like, hey, that was a cool experience. Let's see what else I could do.

Speaker 4 It was fun, but it was more of a matter of like, this is what I know I can do. I feel like I can do this.

Speaker 3 But did you grow up doing that? Were you jumping off shit when you were a kid?

Speaker 4 I wasn't so

Speaker 4 much like that as a kid. I mean, I was a little rambunctious, but not to that point.

Speaker 6 No, this guy went to the Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena. He wasn't coming out to like jump off buildings.

Speaker 3 He was going to do shit, but it's a fucking, it's a pretty late talent to learn that you got, like, you're in in your 20s and you start shooting yourself. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 He had to feed mouths.

Speaker 3 Well, he was about to feed the undertaker's mouth. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I come from a very small town in Tennessee and life moves, you know.

Speaker 6 Pretty fast.

Speaker 4 Pretty fast. And it's like growing up in a coal mining town.
It's, you know.

Speaker 3 Did you want to get the hell out of there? Were you like...

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 How old were you when you realized, like, I got to get the fuck out of this place?

Speaker 4 Around 16.

Speaker 4 Yeah. 15, 16.

Speaker 6 Because it was slower than you naturally were sort of ticking.

Speaker 4 I just knew if I stuck around, it was going to be trouble because most of my friends either became cops or went to jail.

Speaker 6 Yeah, instead, you went out to Los Angeles for a safer route of shooting yourself in the chest.

Speaker 3 Right. I mean, it's,

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Speaker 6 So once this happens, you successfully shoot yourself in the chest. It makes for a great video.
Do you, don't you, my brain would immediately go to, okay, if I'm going to make a living at this

Speaker 6 by sort of definition, everything needs to be an escalation. Like the next thing needs to be bigger, better, more dangerous than shooting myself in the chest.
Were you not

Speaker 3 overwhelmed with the pressure of that?

Speaker 4 No, I didn't become overwhelmed with the pressure of that until we thought about making jackass number two.

Speaker 4 At the time when I did my first article with the self-defense, I just wanted to continue doing things that were in the same vein and interesting and funny. I didn't feel pressure at that time.

Speaker 4 I felt like I was on to something new. It was the beginning of something.

Speaker 5 But wasn't it a series? Wasn't it a series before it was a movie, right? Wasn't it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we were on the air for about nine or ten months, and I quit.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because you were like, why am I making this for basically for free for MTV?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 4 What happened was it was an election year and we'd had some copycat incidences,

Speaker 4 which were unfortunate. And Joseph Lieberman, vice presidential nominee under Al Gore, decided his platform, he was going to get tough on Hollywood, specifically me and MTV.

Speaker 3 Good for him.

Speaker 4 So he just lambasted us in the press.

Speaker 4 And after that, MTV got scared. And so they had to assign an OSHA person to our show.
And we couldn't jump off things more than four feet high.

Speaker 3 And we had all these new rules.

Speaker 4 And it was impossible to do the show the way that we do it. So I was like, what we do is silly and absurd, but it means too much to me to do it watered down.
So I just quit.

Speaker 3 Right. You know, it sounds like they should have assigned an oh shit person to this show.
Hey, holy woman. All right.
Look at me. Hey Will.
Wait.

Speaker 3 Wait, so PJ, so you do this show, you do this with Tremaine and with Spike, as you mentioned, the great Spike Jones, who we love and adore. And so

Speaker 3 what was when you guys... What was your involvement with Spike before that? Were you guys friendly from like skating and stuff? What was that relationship?

Speaker 6 Sean, tell Tracy what Spike Jones has done.

Speaker 5 Spike Jones.

Speaker 6 He's directed a bunch of your favorite movies.

Speaker 5 You tell.

Speaker 6 Being John Malkovich,

Speaker 6 Her,

Speaker 6 Where the Wild Things Are,

Speaker 6 helped me.

Speaker 4 Some of the greatest videos ever made. The Buddy Holly video for Weezer, the sabotage video for a Beastie Boy.

Speaker 6 A visionary, incredible taste.

Speaker 3 A great video for Pretty Sweet for a skateboard company that was, I don't know, featuring some guy who was really hilarious.

Speaker 6 You had a small arc on Todd Margaret. Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 No, we did two seasons of Todd Roger. I'll tell you my favorite story about Spike when we were doing that show with David Cross over in the UK.

Speaker 5 What was it called?

Speaker 3 Called The Increasingly Important Decisions of Todd Margaret.

Speaker 3 We're doing these scenes, and we're like trying to investigate this crime.

Speaker 3 So Spike's character starts acting like Sherlock Holmes, and he's got this hat on and this stupid pipe and stuff, and he's got this notepad. And he couldn't remember a lot of his dialogue anyway.

Speaker 3 And then he would always break. He'd start laughing all the time.
And you know, Spike, he just kind of giggles, right?

Speaker 3 So, so he's like, I got this notebook anyway. And he's like, I'm just going to write my dialogue in the notebook.
I go, Yeah, great. Yeah, let's do that.
So then we walk into a scene.

Speaker 3 We're standing there. We got to talk to this other character.
And Spike's holding his notebook and he starts going,

Speaker 3 I think, ah, God, what is? And I go, You're reading, you've got it written down in front of you. You can't go up on your line if you're you're reading it, man.
Couldn't read his own writing.

Speaker 3 What are you doing?

Speaker 6 This is when he went full tilt direction.

Speaker 3 But so you and Spike,

Speaker 3 what was that relationship? What'd that come out of?

Speaker 4 I was friendly with Spike, right?

Speaker 4 He directed a couple videos for my friend's band Wax.

Speaker 4 So I was, he was in the same kind of friend group,

Speaker 4 but I didn't have that much.

Speaker 4 Like, we didn't hang out alone.

Speaker 3 We just like all hung out in a group.

Speaker 4 And when we were Jeff and I, we knew after the number two jackass, excuse me, the big brother video, we're like, we got a pretty, Jeff recognized we have a really good group of guys, and we talked about doing a show.

Speaker 4 And he goes, Sh,

Speaker 4 should I call Spike to see if he wants to do it with the Spike and Jeff went to the same high school in Maryland, Walt Whitman High together.

Speaker 4 So Jeff called up Spike, and, you know,

Speaker 4 thank God he was up for it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 6 So then, so then you went from a show to a film. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And that was obviously wildly successful.

Speaker 6 And now you're coming up on releasing the fourth.

Speaker 6 What's the process like

Speaker 6 to come up with these things? And I apologize if this is a question you've answered a million times.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm fascinated.

Speaker 5 I'm such a massive, massive fan of

Speaker 3 the movies.

Speaker 6 And yes, Jason's question, I've always do you sit around a table and just uh you know share a nice beverage and think up crazy ideas or is it a little bit more sort of uh structured than that like is there like a writer's room kind of thing um personally i write best when i'm alone but i can

Speaker 4 we do have writers meetings jeff and i we just kind of sit there and kick things back and forth. I get a lot of ideas from cartoons,

Speaker 4 Tom and Jerry, especially.

Speaker 3 Of course, of course.

Speaker 6 What about Coyote and Roadrunner?

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 4 there's one bit in the new movie, Straight Coyote and Roadrunner.

Speaker 4 I look at real life like it's a cartoon.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that's cost me quite a few times.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 for Jackass Forever, after Jackass 3, I didn't know if we'd ever do another one. If you asked the cast, they would say that I would never do another one.

Speaker 4 So they didn't think it was ever going to happen. But I kept writing for 10 years.
So I had a stack of, I don't know, 40, 50 pages of ideas,

Speaker 4 which I threw on the breakfast table a couple of years ago and said, Jeff, I want to do another one. And it was completely out of the left field.
And he was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 4 He didn't, he wasn't excited. He was, because he was in the middle of another movie and he was in the weeds.
And he just, I could just see pressure go across his face.

Speaker 6 I would imagine that every one of these ideas that are good ideas, the first instinct is, oh, well, that's, that's just too far. That's, we, we can't do that.
That, that would be awful.

Speaker 6 And then you have to think another 30 seconds about it and you go, uh, yeah, but it's kind of like that's what we thought on the last one. But then it worked and it was painful, but it was funny.
And

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 6 at what point, I'd imagine you're, because we're all about the same age.

Speaker 6 the body's ability to rebound and recoup from these things physically and a little bit mentally starts to become taxed a little bit?

Speaker 6 Do you start to like, do you start to cast younger guys as part of the troop so that they can take on some of these things?

Speaker 3 I mean, how does all that work? Well, we,

Speaker 4 what was the first part of that question?

Speaker 6 Sorry. The first part about it is, well, the first part.

Speaker 3 By the way, that's a really valid question, Peter.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm sorry. I peck a bunch in.
I apologize. Let me slow down a little bit.

Speaker 6 Or should I speed up?

Speaker 3 No, no, no. Or just go.
I'll just go back.

Speaker 4 What's my first part? Sorry.

Speaker 6 So when you think up these things, doesn't it seem that

Speaker 4 the line is constantly getting drawn and erased?

Speaker 3 Right? Right.

Speaker 4 Because Jeff and I will have, when we come up with an idea that's like riding that line, we're like,

Speaker 4 let's shoot it and see how it works.

Speaker 4 We have that luxury of just shooting so many different things. And if we view it afterwards, we're like, that's a little too much, then

Speaker 4 we cast it aside. But we always err on the side of having it and not needing it aside from needing it and not having it.

Speaker 4 And as far as the body's ability to recoup, I can only talk about me personally.

Speaker 4 I'm not very in touch with my body.

Speaker 4 And I mean, I'm just, I'm not even trying to be funny.

Speaker 4 I'm just not very in touch with my body.

Speaker 4 But I knew coming into Jackass Forever, I've been doing this for 20 years, and this would be my last film where I put my life on the line, line right

Speaker 5 is is there is there a stunt that you didn't do because you just thought it was for whatever you wanted to do but never did just because you're like you know what that's just gonna be somebody's gonna get really hurt well we put my biggest stunts to the end of the film so

Speaker 4 we can get what we need and I did a stunt on, I know the date because I had to spend the weekend in the hospital. It was December 18th of 2020.

Speaker 4 I wanted to prank an animal, right?

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 4 I really wanted to prank an animal.

Speaker 4 So, what we came up with was: I was going to do a magic trick on a bull.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 4 boy, was that not a good idea.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 4 I had to do it twice, by the way, because the first bull, like, didn't, he hit me hard, but it didn't look good on film. It was one of those, like, oh, I'm going again.

Speaker 4 But anyway, the wow, I spent the week in the hospital because I broke my wrist, my rib, I got a concussion and a brain hemorrhage. Oh my God.

Speaker 6 So, fuck, man. But see, like, to me,

Speaker 6 I would just think of the, just the math of the stunt itself and know that at a minimum, that's what's going to happen. Right.
So, like, there's no version of this stunt that goes perfectly.

Speaker 6 So talk to me about what is the percentage of pain and problem you're willing to accept as a fait accompli for this thing.

Speaker 6 you know, it's like, how do you get hit by a bull and expect to just kind of walk away?

Speaker 6 So you're accepting some kind of damage on every stunt, yes?

Speaker 4 Well, I'm doing things where I have no idea how they're going to turn out. So I have to mentally walk into the bull ring and be okay with however this is going to turn out.

Speaker 3 Oh my God.

Speaker 6 So soft. I don't even take a risk on hotels.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 6 I just, I can look at three stars and know it's not going to be pleasurable for me.

Speaker 3 Right? It's just easy.

Speaker 4 Well, I got a five-star hit out of it. So, and I'm sitting here today talking to you guys.
I'm walking around.

Speaker 4 I've been extremely lucky for all the things I've done. You're amazing.

Speaker 5 And, Johnny, or sorry, PJ, do you know the...

Speaker 5 You've done so much great work as an actor, but you're most known, I would say, I would guess, for the jackass franchise.

Speaker 5 Do you miss being that guy who came out to become an actor and be known in that way rather than what's made you famous?

Speaker 3 I mean, you've made a lot of movies, too. Yeah, tons of movies.
He's an actor.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just consider, man,

Speaker 4 I am lucky to be here. I am lucky to be where I'm at.
I've gotten to

Speaker 3 work

Speaker 4 for the last 20 years with...

Speaker 4 the same cast and the same crew. It's just a group of friends.
Yeah. And I wouldn't trade that for anything.
And everything else is just gravy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 When you do, how did you like doing so?

Speaker 3 But Jackass did, you've done a lot of movies, and a lot of those doors were opened because of Jackass, and everybody's like, wow, this guy's funny and he's talented and he's handsome and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 Oh, shut up.

Speaker 3 When you started working on those movies, you know,

Speaker 3 I don't know, Dukes of Hazard and all these things, like,

Speaker 3 did you, Men in Black, were you like, oh, right on, like,

Speaker 3 this is what I love doing more? Or were you like, fuck, I miss hanging with my guys?

Speaker 4 I wasn't torn like that. I was just happy to be able to have the jackass career and to be doing movies on top of that.

Speaker 4 From a kid from East Tennessee who probably had very, very, very low chances of making anything out of himself. I get the joke.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, talk to me about your family, PJ, because when when I was a kid, I think one of the reasons, I'm guessing one of the reasons people connect so much and love the jackass movies is because it's like a wish fulfillment.

Speaker 5 You get to be a kid again and do all these pranks and run around like a jackass.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 when I was a kid, we, you know, single mom, dad left when I was young, and there's no parenting. I was about that.

Speaker 5 We would have knife fights in the dark. We would literally throw steak knives at each other.
This is one of my brothers. Before he left.

Speaker 5 Yeah, one of my brothers built darts out of needles and threw them and they stuck in my back. And like, there was a bunch of stuff not nearly as dangerous as what you would do.

Speaker 4 Knife Fights in the Dark is pretty like, we wouldn't film that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, no, you wouldn't film that. And

Speaker 5 it was called Tiger in the Grass. And

Speaker 5 we'd turn off all the lights in the house and it was dark.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 5 we'd whip knives at each other.

Speaker 3 Anyway, so

Speaker 5 that's why I love the movies because they remind me of being a kid. But did you do any of that when you were?

Speaker 5 By the way, brothers, sisters, like how big, small was the family, and did you do any of that?

Speaker 4 I had, no, I never

Speaker 4 did Tiger in the Grass. Hello, my name's Sean Hayes, and this is Tiger in the Grass.
No, I never did that.

Speaker 4 I had two older sisters, eight and 10 years older.

Speaker 4 My dad told me I was one of those Eminem babies. I said, what's that, dad? He goes, you came between menstruation and menopause.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Wow.

Speaker 4 He said, The best part of you ran down your mama's crack, boy.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 wow.

Speaker 4 And then my mom, which would make it worse, she'd go, Oh, honey, it did not. I'm like, Mom, that was a completely throwaway line until you like justified it.

Speaker 3 Stretch it out. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Now, now, is now is Rocco watching these things and doing the same thing and jumping off stuff and you're having to rush him to the hospital?

Speaker 4 No, you know,

Speaker 4 most all of Rocco and Arlo's friends have seen jackass

Speaker 3 and they didn't even know about Jackass, right, growing up. Oh, really?

Speaker 6 They knew Men in Black, they knew Dukes of Hazard, but you didn't show them this.

Speaker 4 No, I don't even think they knew about that. They knew Daddy was an actor, but Daddy was nice enough to never have to make him sit through his films.

Speaker 3 How old are they?

Speaker 4 They're 10 and 11. Rocco will be 12 in a few days.

Speaker 4 Anyway, we were sitting at the dinner table one night. Rocco was like, I don't know, eight or nine, and he just goes, jackass.

Speaker 3 And we're like, what?

Speaker 4 It was just out of the, it was like a reflexive. And so I had to like tell him, yeah, dad does this.

Speaker 4 And, and I've shown him a couple of things, but since he's kind of wired like my father, I don't want to show him a lot of things. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Because you're afraid that he's going to say, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 4 No, I'm afraid he'll go, that seems like a good thing to do.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 Got it.

Speaker 4 Right. I don't want him to get hurt.

Speaker 3 I had a moment a little while ago, Jason and I did this thing that Sean had done a couple years ago,

Speaker 3 this live sitcom. We did an episode of The Facts of Life.
And so Jason and I had these

Speaker 3 terrible wigs on and stuff. And I remember one time I had my 13-year-old, we were driving from the trailer, like to set or whatever.
And I'm wearing this crazy wig and this stupid costume.

Speaker 3 And I looked at him. He kind of looked at me and I was like, I said, is it pretty weird?

Speaker 3 that this is what your dad does.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And honestly, I thought he was going to go like, yeah, it's fucking bonkers, man, because you look like a lunatic or whatever.
And I'm 51 and I'm his dad. And he said, no, I think it's okay.

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, cool. All right.
All right.

Speaker 4 Because that's what they've grown up with.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they've grown up in the circus, right? Right with us.

Speaker 4 I saw one of those things where you guys were in the wigs and you slapped the cow walking shit out of Jason in the middle of the scene. And you guys were background.

Speaker 4 You guys weren't even in the main guy. He's trying to steal the thunder.

Speaker 3 Well, his mouth, he's got such a mouth on him. And then

Speaker 3 the night before, we had done a dress rehearsal and he tried to jam my hand on the table in the background and I moved it.

Speaker 3 So this time I went on the offense and I like shut the hell up and I slapped him.

Speaker 4 It was so good.

Speaker 7 It was so funny.

Speaker 6 You got to stay awake if you're in the background.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

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Speaker 5 PJ, is there anything that you haven't done in the entertainment world or a role you've always wanted to play or something that you haven't tackled yet that you want to, while you still can?

Speaker 4 Well, I love making documentaries and I want to continue doing that. There's a couple we're circling right now.

Speaker 4 A role I've always wanted to play.

Speaker 4 You know, I always wanted to play Johnny Cash, but that got

Speaker 3 taken. Yeah, that got taken care of.

Speaker 6 Are you digging any documentaries that are on right now?

Speaker 6 Like, do you like the murder ones? Do you like the sports ones?

Speaker 4 The whole gamut. You know, I watched the other day, I think it's Operation Odessa.

Speaker 3 Have you seen that? Oh, yeah. Oh, wait.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's about the submarine, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
The guys who tried to scam the Russian mob and the Cali cartel.

Speaker 3 Florida, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. The guy Tarzan, who owned the place where Porky's was shot at.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's very good. That thing is a good one.

Speaker 3 I love that shit.

Speaker 3 Did you see that 100-foot wave? Do you see that one?

Speaker 4 I saw that and I loved it.

Speaker 4 I was so in. And episode six, it ends.
And so I keep checking for episode seven and it never happened. I thought there was more going to happen.
It just kind of just

Speaker 3 about Laird Hamilton?

Speaker 4 No. No.

Speaker 3 It's about that other guy. I forget his name.
The guy.

Speaker 3 It's incredible.

Speaker 3 Jason, you got to see it. Sean, too.
You got to see it. It's incredible.

Speaker 6 But it's literally about a hundred-foot wave, about a surfer?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's about a guy who's like looking, the idea that there's this hundred-foot wave out there and they end up in Portugal.

Speaker 4 The wave is Nazare in Portugal.

Speaker 3 It's so.

Speaker 6 Oh, Will loves Portugal. I sure do.
What about Portugal?

Speaker 3 I want to move to Portugal. This has been my thing for about the last year.

Speaker 6 Tuck in, guys.

Speaker 3 Well, no, it's great. Murderville, February 3rd on Netflix at 8 o'clock, and then Nazareth, Portugal.
These are the things I talk about.

Speaker 4 The guy's name was Garrett McNamara. He's still going for it, him and all his buddies.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah, not a young guy. Like, he's our age, right? 50, mid-50s, looks incredible.
And

Speaker 3 he's the first guy. Some dude reaches out to him and says, you got, there's this incredible wave here.
You're in Nazareth, Portugal.

Speaker 3 And so he goes and he grabs these two Yahoos out of Ireland who've been doing like big wave surfing off of Ireland. Yeah.
He's like, hey, do you guys want want to

Speaker 3 tow me into this crazy wave? And they're like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 And the big wave only happens in the winter.

Speaker 3 So like the conditions are brutal. And they go in and he tackles this huge freaking.
It's nuts, man. It's nuts.

Speaker 4 I mean, just driving out to the wave on the jet ski is perilous.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's pretty amazing. You know, one time,

Speaker 3 Jason, you want to tell him about the thing that happened with your Tesla that time?

Speaker 4 Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 Because we're talking about stunts and taking chances.

Speaker 6 Oh, man. This one time I was trying to pull my golf bag out of the back seat of my Tesla real fast.

Speaker 3 Real fast. Too fast.

Speaker 6 And I hurt the very tip of my ring finger.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 oh, man. I couldn't swing a golf club for about four or five weeks.

Speaker 4 Nor play flamenco guitar.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, you couldn't do anything. And Sean, you hurt your fingers once, right? You were doing the the music from Oklahoma and you went too fast.
Too fast. Right?

Speaker 3 Right?

Speaker 5 Too fast. On the keys.
I can't say no during the number. I can't say no.

Speaker 6 So, Will, what else are you working on? What's your new show, Will?

Speaker 3 It's Murderville.

Speaker 3 It's on Netflix. Wait, so

Speaker 3 enough about Murderville. Let's get back to Jackass, which is coming out on February 4th.
February 4th, yeah. So this is

Speaker 3 you're hanging up the jackass. You're hanging up your Spurs or whatever.
I don't don't know what you would say.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, after the first couple of films, we're like, this is it. And then we did a three.
And now here's a four. So we're never going to say never again, but I would step back.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was going to say, could you infuse new talent into to keep the franchise going?

Speaker 4 We have. Like, there's new cast in Jackass Forever.
We have five new cast members, and they're great.

Speaker 3 Isn't it time for other people to get hit in the nuts? Like, you've been hitting the nuts enough, you know? Right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So we we folded some young blood into the

Speaker 4 show.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 3 PJ, was there ever that like kind of that white whale of a of a stunt or thing that you were like, that you always kept in the back of your mind like,

Speaker 3 I'd love to ride on the back of a space shuttle or some shit.

Speaker 7 You know what I mean? Jump from a hot air balloon.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Jump over the Snake River.

Speaker 4 Sure, there's a lot of ideas that we really wanted.

Speaker 4 There's this one idea that we've had an idea for, I don't know, the last 10 years.

Speaker 4 I can't really say what it was. And we got so close on this, but

Speaker 4 it went to the top of Paramount and they came back and they said, if you shoot this idea, it's going to be at least like $10 million

Speaker 4 for insurance.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 4 And it just was prohibitive and it broke my heart because I thought we were actually going to get to pull it off. But maybe one day we can.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I became obsessed with getting the jackass flag on the moon. Right.
It's not really a stunt or a prank, but I really want to someone plant the jackass flag on the moon.

Speaker 3 PJ,

Speaker 3 are you like a health food nut? Do you do that kind of shit? Do you like eat well? Like, you always seem like you're kind of in good shape. And are you that kind of thing?

Speaker 4 I'm not a health food nut, but I try to eat good. You know, I grew up eating so poorly.
Yeah. Right.
In Tennessee. Like, I never drank water really growing up.

Speaker 4 We would get, we drank Coca-Colas all day long.

Speaker 4 You know, we go, that was what we drank. And mom cooked with like so much sugar and butter.
And around 13 or 14, I'm like, God, this doesn't feel right. I need to start eating like chicken and rice.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jason?

Speaker 6 Yeah, chicken and rice sounds great, except for the rice part.

Speaker 3 Now, Jason, you won't eat rice. Is that right?

Speaker 6 I will eat rice when I'm looking at rice and it looks great when I'm at a Japanese restaurant or something.

Speaker 6 But yeah, no, I don't, I don't have like a bunch of carbs and starch as a general daily three meals a day. Yeah.
You know, stuff me full of garbage. I'm.

Speaker 3 Yeah, rice. Oh, yeah.
I mean, rice is really garbage. You're right.

Speaker 6 But it's like, it's just, it's just,

Speaker 6 what is it? It's just like substance. Like, I want

Speaker 6 protein and I want vegetables and I want fruit.

Speaker 3 Right. And what's the name of the dance troop you're in again? Sorry, because you're a professional dancer, I'm guessing, by the way you talk.

Speaker 3 I think Jason, I said, I accused Jason the other day that he's looking at his goal, is he just wants to just barely dip below 100.

Speaker 3 He just wants to get below 100 pounds.

Speaker 6 I want to look ill.

Speaker 6 That's what I'm, that's, that's the goal.

Speaker 3 I had one time I was working on this thing in this costumer, and I was like losing a lot of weight. And she goes, well, you, you can't get too skinny.
And I said, that's what I always say.

Speaker 6 uh but no i just i don't know i i don't you feel better when you got gasoline in your car instead of you you pour orange juice in your in your tank and your car won't move i i'm trying to put in my body what it needs to run right what i just had a massive glass of orange juice before this what are you talking what orange juice in the car none of it adds it's a tough thing to follow there sean you eat kind of whatever you want right yeah carbs in the morning carbs at night the marshmallow spread.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I just had like three s'mores last night.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Great story.
So, um, did you,

Speaker 3 thanks for sharing that with everybody. With the listeners, you want me to teach you how to make it? Our listener is going crazy.
Yeah. Did you listen to this week's Smartlist?

Speaker 3 Sean, Sean had three s'mores and never expanded on it.

Speaker 3 Well, how do you expand on a s'more?

Speaker 7 It's two graham crackers marshmallows.

Speaker 3 Were you on a fucking camping trip? No,

Speaker 5 I do them over the stove.

Speaker 5 I roast the marshmallows over the stove. Wait a second.
And I used two of them. This is a true story.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is a true story.

Speaker 6 You and Scotty made s'mores last night.

Speaker 5 No, he doesn't eat them. He doesn't like them.
I put two marshmallows.

Speaker 5 Ticks two, and then you put a big chunk of Hershey's chocolate bar and two graham crackers, and you just stuff your fucking marshmallow.

Speaker 3 Because you felt like, well, you know, I want a little treat. I'm going to make it.
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 5 Now I'm talking about it. I'm going to have it after this.

Speaker 5 You know why? Because there's something about being an adult where you don't have to ask permission to eat sweets.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Right, but you've been an adult for over 30 years. You know, so

Speaker 3 you're acting like a kid who escaped from fat camp. I mean,

Speaker 3 what do you Jason said the other day, he was like, hey, look, I mean, humans.

Speaker 3 He said, humans are the only animals that eat more than once a day. And blah, blah, blah, we should only eat once a day.
And then immediately everybody's like, what about cows? They graze all day.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, whatever. He's like, oh, yeah, I guess the whole thing.

Speaker 3 Go through every animal. I'm not smart.

Speaker 6 I just just have ideas. They're not great ideas or good ideas.
I just get ideas and then I spit them out.

Speaker 4 They're a jumping off point.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Just start a conversation.
Enjoy.

Speaker 3 Are you a, you don't smoke. Do you smoke cigarettes?

Speaker 4 I tried to when I was 19.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I did it for like a month. I would go to the Hollywood Billiards every day and shoot pull, trying to be like fast Eddie Felson and the hustler.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But when I would bend over to shoot, the smoke would get in my eyes and they would start running and then I would start sneezing and I'm asthmatic. Yeah.
And so I just, I stopped that.

Speaker 4 And honestly, I didn't even know at the time that people inhaled.

Speaker 4 I would just, I would just suck in the cigarette and blow it right back out. And years later, they're like, you inhale it down your lungs.
I'm like, I had no idea.

Speaker 3 Well, good. You avoided a lot of stupidity.

Speaker 4 Oh, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 5 What about pot or gummies or

Speaker 3 that kind of thing?

Speaker 4 You know what? I love the idea of weed. I love the idea of weed, but it hits me wrong.
It makes me dizzy. It makes me go deaf.
I can't, I lose my cognitive skills. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Not Sean. Sean just goes right to the s'mores.

Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 I'd love to just creep in with a camera and shove, you know, from Sean's back door there, or just come in and just catch him standing over the stove.

Speaker 6 Cover my face. I want to know what song he's humming when he's making his s'mores.

Speaker 4 You just walk in the Buffalo Bill headset,

Speaker 4 you know, the night vision goggles.

Speaker 7 Right from Silent to the Last.

Speaker 3 It puts the s'mores in the basket, am I right?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 By the way, we did do a takeoff on that bit, and it's one of the best things we ever shot in Jackass Forever. We lured the cast to this room.
We staggered their call, so it'll be two at a time.

Speaker 4 And they thought they were watching me do this stunt.

Speaker 4 So they would get in the room. We We would lock the door, turn out the lights, and they couldn't see anything.
And we psychologically, absolutely tortured them and physically too, a little.

Speaker 4 But mostly it was psychological. And just to see how they interacted with each other was made the whole bit.

Speaker 4 Like Dave England and Aaron McGeehee acted like an old married couple, and they were just screaming at each other the whole time.

Speaker 4 And clearly, I'm the one who's causing all the chaos, but they took it out on each other.

Speaker 4 I can't wait for you to see that one.

Speaker 3 I can't wait.

Speaker 6 Wow, that's you just film it all with like night vision goggles?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What's it like insurance? You were talking about the high insurance for the paramount. Like, it must be a fucking nightmare for them because these guys,

Speaker 3 everything in this world is run by lawyers.

Speaker 3 And so everything's prohibitively expensive. Like, when you go, yeah, we want to make another jackass.
They're like, fucking co-legal because they're the first stop.

Speaker 4 Right. Well, I think on the TV show, we lost our insurance at one time.
And on

Speaker 4 the first movie, they didn't insure the entire movie. They treated, obviously, back then, they treated the whole movie as a negative pickup.
They're like, here's some money.

Speaker 4 We don't have anything to do with it.

Speaker 4 So they insured per bit.

Speaker 4 So one bit we wanted to do with Pontius to take him to a Pentecostal church dressed as the devil. and handle snakes with the

Speaker 4 congregation. It was going to be like $5 million to insure.
and our first movie cost $6 million. So we couldn't do that.
Wow. But after that, they just insured the entire movie.

Speaker 4 You know, they didn't insure it per bit. But I did bring up the example of the one bit for Jackass 4.
It was going to be like $10 million

Speaker 4 deductible or something.

Speaker 3 But that's like one of those things, you know, like we all know when you're going to do a job and you got to fill out that insurance thing.

Speaker 3 And they'll be like, do you plan on operating a motor vehicle between now and the time you're shooting the movie?

Speaker 3 That seems pretty goddamn tame compared to yeah yeah not only do I plan on being in a motor vehicle I'm jumping one off a parking garage while I'm shooting myself

Speaker 4 it's it's so funny like on our movies I can do whatever I want really but if I go on a Hollywood movie they have a stunt man lined up for me

Speaker 4 and they don't want me to do any stunts And it's frustrating.

Speaker 3 How do Hollywood stuntmen,

Speaker 3 how do they deal with you? Like when you do you meet stuntmen and they they give you like a, all right, man, good fruit.

Speaker 4 I remember on the first movie I did, Jackass was just coming out and it was lunchtime and the stunt guys were like, hey, Knoxville, you can come sit with us. And it meant so much to me.

Speaker 4 They're like, we don't let actors sit with us, but you can sit with us. And so I was so touched

Speaker 4 because they've always been super nice to me. And I really,

Speaker 4 what they do blows me away. They're so talented and gifted and trained.
And

Speaker 4 so we get along very well.

Speaker 3 That same thing happened with Jason. The hair and makeup department said the same thing.

Speaker 3 They're like, you can come eat with us.

Speaker 5 Wait, just one last question, PJ, just about the injuries.

Speaker 5 I know you get asked this all the time, but you had touched on, by the way, thank God you're doing well from all the things you listed back in December, almost a year ago, the brain hemorrhage and all that.

Speaker 5 Is there anything that's lasted that you have to now live with because of that?

Speaker 4 I have to live with all my past injuries, injuries, and we'll see where that comes out. You know, I've had like 16 concussions,

Speaker 4 but my biggest one, and by the way, I'm like I said earlier, I'm not very in touch with my body. So, and I figured I did this to myself, right? So, I get up every morning just thankful and grateful.

Speaker 4 But my back, I have two blown discs in my lower back. So, that's something I have to deal with just with exercise and anti-inflammatories.

Speaker 4 But I'm so lucky.

Speaker 4 i've i i i've had some stunts that almost had forever consequences five or six times i've almost dead five or six times so jason didn't you have a very successful day with two blown dicks what were you saying about that

Speaker 6 you had said i have to live with it what was the word that you said i have to live with it um and that's all i'll say is that so wrong that's a high class problem pj you stay uh safe please yeah uh we appreciate your sacrifice yes we sure do do.

Speaker 6 My goodness.

Speaker 6 What a lot of fun you've given us.

Speaker 6 We will see you personally very soon.

Speaker 6 Thank you for spending an hour with us.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man. Thank you so much for coming on.
All the best with the movie, Hope It Kills. And I'll definitely be watching.
You're the best. Thanks, man.

Speaker 4 Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 Thanks, guys. Thanks, PJ.
All right. Bye-bye.
See you, pal. Bye, pal.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 5 I don't think I've ever met him, and

Speaker 5 he's really funny, and he's really

Speaker 3 personable.

Speaker 5 I didn't think he would be

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that guy's just, there's no Hollywood in him whatsoever.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 3 He's super engaging. And

Speaker 3 I love how sort of honest he is about everything,

Speaker 3 every stage of his life. And then coming to LA and doing the jackass and doing all of that.
And he's just very sort of open, which is.

Speaker 5 And how wild that everybody has like a different journey. Like he came out here to be an actor.

Speaker 6 and he did he's done tons of great movies and but he's known for being this like stunt crazy person everybody you just don't know where you're gonna end up yeah i wonder what the percentage of people i wonder what the percentage is of people who go to let's say college studying up on a career and actually do that yeah you know i feel like a bunch of a bunch of success comes on the way to

Speaker 6 doing something different

Speaker 6 right as long as you're pointed in a direction forks will emerge it's come become huge for him.

Speaker 5 But that, I can't wait for that movie. I've seen all of them.
Boy, their laugh out loud.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.
I just, I can't, I would be so anxious going into one of those things,

Speaker 6 even just thinking up the stunts. Like, well, you know, that feels safe and like I wouldn't be worried about that.
But then it's like, well, that's not going to be entertaining footage.

Speaker 6 It's got to be something that.

Speaker 3 is

Speaker 6 really frightening in concept.

Speaker 6 And then to actually execute, it's even more frightening.

Speaker 3 But also, like, what about that notion he was saying about getting,

Speaker 3 you know, the bull going, you know, playing a trick on a bull.

Speaker 3 It really hurt, but they didn't get it on camera. It didn't take two.
So, yeah, take two with the bull.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, thanks.

Speaker 6 And again, there's no way that nothing happens when you stand in front of a bull. And I think I know the one he's talking about, right? Where the bull charges you and flips you over its back.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, how do you, you can't land that.

Speaker 6 I don't care what a great gymnast you are or whatever.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's that's what they're selling, you know,

Speaker 6 and um, God bless them.

Speaker 3 I, I, I don't watch it. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 6 I'd have the backbone for that.

Speaker 3 I'll do it. I'll do it too.
I can't watch it. It does make me uptight too when I see it because I get with stuff like that, I get a little bit nervous.
So I can't watch that stuff at night.

Speaker 3 So at night, I'm not going to watch that because at night, what I'll do is before bed, I'd rather, I'd rather, you know, be listening to a lullaby. Bye.

Speaker 6 That was a good one, aren't it?

Speaker 3 That's good. That was very good.
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