"Johnny Knoxville"

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Hey, this is a very quick intro for SmartList.

Super, super fast.

Can I ask you a quick question, though, before we... I know we're doing a quick intro.

No, no, no.

Here's SmartList.

I know we're going to get to it in one second.

Okay, go, go, go.

Can I ask you a quick question?

What is it?

What's the rush, man?

Oh, God.

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Less. Jason, good morning.
Good morning. Good morning, Jason.
How's your morning been? It's been stressful. I just went through 45 minutes of tech hell because I bought a new laptop and none of the— Why did you buy a new laptop? Why did you get the new—why did you need it? Okay, well, here's the thing.
You've got a couple of kids. Now, the laptops that they're using, are they not your old laptops or do you buy them freshies? Both my kids don't have a laptop, only my 13-year-old.
Okay. What about him? Do you buy him a new one or do you give him your old one? We got him a new one, his own one a couple of years ago for school.
Okay. Well, okay.
So I give a hand-me-down laptops to my girls. Has somebody got construction going on? Is it one of us? It's not mine.
It's me. Yeah.
Do you like that? Good for you. Is that the work on your house? Yeah.
I can open up the windows if you'd rather I open up the windows. Well, you just asked them if they can do it louder.
Sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Are you... This is...
This is the fucking gang who couldn't shoot straight over here this morning. It's going to be the best episode ever.
You don't want to take them to fucking have them power down while we're doing the record? What am I going to do? They're in the trenches of my driveway because there's leakage, and they have to reroute the gas line. I had some leakage this morning, and it didn't affect my start time.
Just my laptop replacement did. But otherwise, everything else going good? What about you, Will? Is everything perfect in your world? Yeah, it seems like it.
No. Well, I mean, sort of.
I've been working. I've been finishing off.
I just signed off. You know I'm doing my new show, my Murderville show over there on the Netflix.
Oh, let's plug that real quick. What's it called? Murderville.
Okay, where can the viewers find that? They can watch it on Netflix. At what time? What do you mean at what time? It's not a schedule.
Whatever time they want. That's the whole point of streaming.
What time does it come on? Is it like, what's the slot? 8 p.m.? No, it's not 8.30 Mountain. Right after Newhart? You know what I mean? What's the lead in? I mean, the local news.
When does it premiere? We go local news and then, but it's kind of like you saw it. It's kind of a hybrid improv show.
Oh, I want to see it. It comes on early Feb.
Okay. First week of Feb, around the 3rd or something.
Short for February, Sean. Short for February.
I don't have a lot of time. And you saw it.
Sean, you haven't seen the first episode is Conan and me. And I have the guests.
I can catch it in reruns though, right? You can catch it in reruns and guests come on and then they try to solve a murder with me. And they have no idea.
I don't give them a script. I love it.
And this is a game show? So if they solve the murder, they win money? No, they don't win a car. They don't win money.
They just win respect. So it's not a game show.
It is an unscripted slash scripted experience. Yeah, experience.
And it's a lot of laughter and we goof around. We have great guests And they kind of improvise.
We don't give them anything. And then I improvise with them.
And we go and we interview suspects. And it's fun.
It's just good, clean fun. That was a pretty long plug.
Yeah. Murderville.
Streaming now on Netflix. What if you're like L.A.
Law on NBC? 830. Well, yeah, anyway.
I need to get into loose, hijinxy chat mode. Yeah, I know.
I'm all stressed out in my tech mode. Well, guess what? This is going to make you very happy then.
Because our guest likes to keep it loose and chatty. He is somebody that you, Jason, I think that you know, Sean, I'm not sure that you do.

This is a guy who has done, who's been really sort of like a trailblazer.

He's kind of created his own universe and that's very specific and really funny and really different. And he came on the scene, the scene, what scene?

He sort of.

Well, the murder scene, the murder scene.

Yeah, the murder scene.

Andrew Dice Clay. It's not Dice, but maybe he could do a Dice impression when he gets here.
This is somebody who's super, super funny. He has created a whole sort of vibe.
He's a guy who is not afraid to get his hands dirty. In fact, he just gets his whole body in there.
He was born with the name Philip John Clapp. His friends call him PJ.
Oh, dear. You know he's from Knoxville, Tennessee, so you know him as Johnny Knoxville.
Johnny Knoxville! Hello, Luis. Hello, PJ.
Look at this guy. How you doing? Oh, man.
What's up? i'm so sorry to keep you waiting all the tech garbage i love being uh witness to the sound check because i like seeing how the sausage is made yeah it was dirty sausage this morning real dirty sausage yeah did you did you witness how close to the edge bateman was like how much he was so close snapping? Like he's never seen a computer in his life. I had that look on my face last night when we tried to do ads, right? And it totally blew up in my face.
He did and he left. I tried to record yesterday.
This man's in charge of people. He runs sets.
And he's never seen a computer in his life. He doesn't know what the computers do.
And he was excited to have the new Monterey operating system, even though he doesn't know why it makes his life better. He's just excited.
You like the name, be honest. You like the name Monterey.
Monterey was better than Catalina. And you actually thought that the laptop you can only have it on your lap.
Never on a table or anything else. Maybe that's what I asked the guys.
I said, now I've got my computer on a table. Could that be it? Yeah.
They said, yeah, put it on your lap, you dumbass. PJ, where do we find you today? I'm in the city of Los Angeles.
I just got finished recording my radio show. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
With my cousin I do on Outlaw Country every week called the Big Ass Happy Family Jubilee. It ain't too good, but it's long.
And that was Will's handle in high school, I think. Yeah, right? Just like, and then they started calling him Pencil, and then he, yeah.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, I mean, okay.
Let's acknowledge. Now let's move on.
So, DJ, tell us, how long you've been doing this radio show what are you talking about man i've been doing it we've done over 500 shows whoa yeah uh my cousin roger allen wade and i uh do it once a week it comes on saturday nights at uh 8 p.m eastern five specific and uh it's the highlight of my week i get to hang out with him for an hour and we can play any music we want mostly good old 70s outlaw country 60s but we can play punk we can play

whatever and i mean we played liza minnelli i'm in uh will and i played liza minnelli a little bit

on arrested development i sure did yeah that's right i think we didn't we both we both kissed

her yeah we both kissed liza minnelli something that we never thought we'd do. At the same time.
Wow. I've never, I've never had the pleasure of meeting you, I don't think, or maybe briefly once a long, long time.
Do I call you PJ? Do I call you Johnny? You can call me that. You can call me Puddin'.
Were you with LW1 back in the day? I don't know what that is. The commercial LW1 me? no I wasn't because he looked familiar to PJ Sean because you used to get every commercial back in the day sure Sean used to get every commercial like Tostito Scoopers probably did that because they're so easy on game day to just scoop no maybe I saw you then whole...
No, maybe I saw you then. No, but do your friends, like, do your friends call you PJ or...
Yeah, yeah. PJ or Knoxville, you know, either.
Okay, yeah. Every time you say PJ, I look at, Jason's talking to somebody off camera saying, what time are we wheels up? So listen, so PJ, let me ask you this.
You mentioned the, you mentioned the, you know, the commercial work. So when you first came to Los Angeles many, many moons ago, did you move to LA to be an actor specifically? Because I know you did a lot of commercials, right? Yeah, I moved to LA to become an actor.
You know, the best thing to come out of Tennessee is I-40 West. So I got out of town two weeks after high school and went to the Academy of American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena for their summer program.
Wow. That's so cool.
Wow. And I went like two weeks.
It was a six week program. I went two weeks, didn't go back.
You know, I was just interested in partying and that's all I did for the first six years. Is that true? Yeah, I would take some acting classes and kind of pursue acting.

But I was more interested in partying.

And that didn't stop until my then-girlfriend got pregnant with my daughter.

And I'm like, oh, I need to do something in Quick.

So I lived next door to Antoine Fuqua.

And he put me in touch with a casting director who got me an agent. And my friend John Linson put me in touch with the editor of Bikini Magazine.
And I started writing articles for them. That's what I really became focused when I knew I had a mouth to feed.
Sure. I like the idea that you go like, my then girlfriend got pregnant and I looked out the window.
I thought, I got to jump out this window and film it. That was my best guess, man.
Yeah. Like my father told Rolling Stone, they're like, why do you think he does what he does? He goes, well, he's like that Dominican baseball player.
He's not going to get off the island by bunting so i had to really go for it yeah i mean tell me a little bit about so obviously people you really came into people's uh consciousness well i'm sorry hold that thought for one second johnny am i too loud yeah it's a little hot let's just put push the mic back by about yeah try it now give us check check one. Thank you.
Great. Thanks, guys.
Yeah, I don't know what kind of levels you like on your radio gig, man, but, you know? Yeah. Are you on W Shout FM? Like, what's going on? Dude.
Dude, so, I mean, but you, you, you know, everybody knows you from the, knows and loves the Jackass show and the movies. You guys have made, what, three movies so far? Well, Jackass Forever will be our fourth.
It comes out February 4th, 2003. I can't wait.
Right. That comes out the day after Murderville.
Murderville. I hear so much about Murderville.
Is that on Netflix? It's on Netflix. It's streaming.
What time does that come on? The day before Jackass Forever at 8 p.m. Oh, okay.
What's its lead in? I'm doing all Jason's material. That's it.
You've tapped it out. So now, PJ, you're pregnant.
You're growing a baby, and you think, I got to start grabbing some money and get the coffers all nice and full. So you start writing for Bikini Magazine.
You've got an agent. You're doing auditions.
And you think, well, let me get a third form of possible income in filming stunts. Was this all sort of simultaneous? The stunts grew out of my writing, right? I did a lot of participatory journalism stuff, poor imitations of Hunter S.
Thompson. And I had an idea where I wanted to test self-defense equipment on myself, pepper spray myself, stun gun, taser gun, and shoot myself in the chest with a .38 while wearing a bulletproof vest.
But wait, just pause just for a second there. Why? For an article, right? For an article.
Okay. Just so you could experience and then write about it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I saw someone get pepper sprayed and a reporter get pepper sprayed on the news. And it was the funniest thing I'd seen.
I'm like, what if I do a whole host of things to myself? Yeah. And a lot of magazines wanted me to do it.
Sure. But they wanted to treat it like a negative pickup and didn't want anything to do with it until I'm done.
But I had zero cash at the time. I didn't have enough money to buy the pepper spray, the stun gun, the taser.
I had to buy a bulletproof vest. Whoa.
So I remember I used my mom's Christmas money that year, which was $300, and bought the cheapest bulletproof vest they made. And I— Not a corner you want to cut.
Yeah. I called and I said are these really is this best really top form there yeah this is best great great bulletproof vest and i said good because this is what i'm going to do and they say can we call you back and i said sure and they call me back they we can't recommend you doing that well i'm like it's too late i've already said i was going to but anyway i took i took it.
No one wanted to support me in it except for one guy, and that was Jeff Tremaine, who was the editor of Big Brother Magazine, a skateboarding magazine owned by Larry Flint. And Jeff, you know, went on to create and direct Jackass with me and Spike.
So I wrote it for Big Brother Magazine. And the day before, a couple days before I was going to write the article or do the shoot, Jeff said we should film it and put it in our skateboard video because they were filming skate videos at the time.
And I said, all right. And the day of, I went to pick up the cameraman, Dmitry Elioskovich, who became our director of photography on Jackass.
We have a lot of high-sounding titles

for guys who don't know what they're doing.

But anyway, Dimitri's on the side of the road.

I'm like, okay, get in.

Let's go shoot.

He goes, okay, here's play.

Here's pause.

Here's stop.

Just bring it back when you're done.

I said, you're not coming.

He goes, no, I can't come.

Because even Big Brother didn't want anything to do with it

because I was shooting myself.

Yeah. So you had to pull the trigger yourself.
You didn't some so it was point blank range literally my friend beautiful jason was supposed to shoot me once we we just drove out the 14 and pulled off on the fire road because we didn't know where to go and he got out there he goes i'm not shooting you should have done it in front of a hospital dum- dum-dum. You don't drive as far as you can away from any sort of civilization.

We were so far.

But I got out there and no one would shoot me.

And also, like, the photographer had seen one of his friends die doing a stunt once, jumping off a hotel.

So he was really freaked out.

And so I had to end up shooting myself and everyone screaming not to do do it. And my cameraman is like going all over with the camera.
Like he almost misses me shooting myself. Oh my God.
Wait, and so it wasn't a blank. It was a real bullet? No, it was a real, yeah, there's no faking.
Wow. So 38 caliber bullet at point blank range into a bargain chest protector, bulletproof vest, and obviously everything worked out okay.

Did it knock you down?

Did it hurt you?

What it felt like is someone took a shovel and hit you in the chest with it.

It knocked me back.

I dropped the gun, but I didn't fall down.

Wow.

The vest dispersed the impact. Wow, wow.
And you liked it so much that you were like, hey, that was a cool experience. Let's see what else I could do.
It was fun, but it was more of a matter of like, this is what I know I can do. I feel like I can do this.
But did you grow up doing that? Were you jumping off shit when you were a kid? I wasn't so much like that as a kid.

I mean, I was a little rambunctious, but not to that point.

No, this guy went to the Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena.

He wasn't coming out to, like, jump off buildings.

He was, like, going to do Shakespeare.

No, I know, but it's a pretty late talent to learn that you got.

Like, you're in your 20s and you start shooting yourself.

You know what I mean? He had to feed mouths. Well, he was about to feed the undertaker's mouth you know what i mean i come from a very small town in tennessee and life moves you know pretty fast pretty fast and it's like growing up in a coal mining town it's you know uh did you want to get the hell out of there? Were you like, when you were young?

Yeah, for sure. How old were you when you realized like, I got to get the fuck out of this place?

Around 16. Yeah.
15, 16. Because it was slower than you naturally were sort of ticking.
I just

knew if I stuck around, it was going to be trouble because most of my friends either became cops or

went to jail. Yeah.
Instead, you went out to Los Angeles for a safer route of shooting yourself in

the stuck around, it was going to be trouble because most of my friends either became cops or went to jail. Yeah, instead you went out to Los Angeles for a safer route of shooting yourself in the chest.
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So once this happens,

you successfully shoot yourself in the chest.

It makes for a great video.

Don't you, my brain would immediately go to,

okay, if I'm going to make a living at this by sort of definition, I, everything needs to be an escalation. Like the next thing needs to be bigger, better, more dangerous than shooting myself in the chest.
Were you not, um, uh, overwhelmed with the, with the pressure of that? No, I didn't become overwhelmed with the pressure of that until we thought about making Jackass number two. At the time when I did my first article with the self-defense, I just wanted to continue doing things that were in the same vein and interesting and funny.
I didn't feel pressure at that time. I felt like I was onto something new.
It was the beginning of something. But wasn't it a series? Yeah.
Wasn't it a series before it was a movie, right? Wasn't it? Yeah. We were on the air for about nine or ten months, and I quit.
Yeah. Because you were like, why am I making this basically for free for MTV? No.
Oh. What happened was it was an election year, and we'd had some copycat incidences, which were unfortunate.

And Joseph Lieberman, vice presidential nominee under Al Gore, decided his platform, he was going to get tough on Hollywood, specifically me and MTV. Good for him.
So he just lambasted us in the press.

And after that, MTV got scared, and so they had to assign an OSHA person to our show. And we couldn't jump off things more than four feet high.
And we had all these new rules. And it was impossible to do the show the way that we do it.
So I was like, what we do is silly and absurd. But it means too much to me to do it watered down.
So I just quit. Right.
You know, it sounds like they should have assigned an oh shit person to this show. Am I right? That's wonderful.
Wait, so PJ, so you do this show, you do this with Tremaine and with Spike, as you mentioned, the great Spike Jones, who we love and adore. And so what was when you And so what was your involvement with Spike before that? Were you guys friendly from skating and stuff? What was that relationship? Sean, tell Tracy what Spike Jonze has done.
Spike Jonze. He's directed a bunch of your favorite movies.
You tell. Being John Malkovich, Her, Where the Wild Things Are.
Some of the greatest videos ever made. The Buddy Holly video for Weezer.
The sabotage video for Beastie Boys. A visionary, incredible taste.
He made a great video for Pretty Sweet for a skateboard company that was, I don't know, featuring some guy who was really hilarious. He had a small arc on Todd Margaret.
Am I wrong? No, we did two seasons of Todd. I'll tell you my favorite story about Spike when we were doing that show with David Cross over in the UK.
What was it called? Called The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret. And we're doing these scenes, and we're trying to investigate this crime.
So Spike's character starts acting like Sherlock Holmes.

And he's got this hat on this stupid pipe and stuff.

And he's got this notepad.

And he couldn't remember a lot of his dialogue anyway.

And then he would always break.

He'd start laughing all the time.

And you know Spike, he just kind of giggles, right?

So he's like, I got this notebook anyway.

And he's like, I'm just going to write my dialogue in the notebook.

I go, yeah, great.

Yeah, let's do that.

So then we walk into a scene.

We're standing there.

We've got to talk to this other character.

And Spike's holding his notebook and he starts going, I think, oh, God, what is it?

And I go, you've got it written down in front.

You can't go up on your line if you're reading it, man.

Couldn't read his own writing. What are you doing? This is when he went full tilt direction.
But so you and Spike, what was that relationship? What did that come out of? I was friendly with Spike, right? He directed a couple videos for my friend's band, Wax. So he was in the same kind of friend group.

And, but I didn't have that much,

like we didn't hang out alone.

We just like all hung out in a group.

And when we were, Jeff and I,

we knew after the number two Jackass,

excuse me, the Big Brother video,

we're like, we got a pretty,

Jeff recognized we have a really good group of guys and we talked about doing a show and he goes, should I call Spike to see if he wants to do it with us? Spike and Jeff went to the same high school in Maryland, Walt Whitman High together. So Jeff called up Spike and, you know, thank God he was up for it.
Yeah. Right.
So then you went from a show to a film. Yeah.
And that was obviously wildly successful. And now you're coming up on releasing the fourth.
What's the process like to come up with these things? And I apologize if this is a question you've answered a million times. Yeah, I'm fascinated.
I'm such a massive, massive fan of the movies. And yes, Jason's question, I've always...
Do you sit around a table and just, you know, share a nice beverage and think up crazy ideas? Or is it a little bit more sort of structured than that? Like, is there like a writer's room kind of thing? Personally, I write best when I'm alone, but I can. We do have writer's meetings, Jeff and I.
We just kind of sit there and kick things back and forth. I get a lot of ideas from cartoons, Tom and Jerry especially.
Of course, of course. What about Coyote and Roadrunner? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, there's one bit in the new movie, straight Coyote and Roadrunner.
I look at real life like it's a cartoon. Yeah.
And that's cost me quite a few times. Yeah.
But for Jackass Forever, after Jackass 3, I didn't know if we'd ever do another one. If you ask the cast, they would say that I would never do another one.
So they didn't think it was ever going to happen. But I kept writing for 10 years.
So I had a stack of, I don't know, 40, 50 pages of ideas. Yeah.
Which I threw on the breakfast table a couple years ago and said, Jeff, I want to do another one. And it was completely out of the left field.
And he was like, oh, shit. He didn't, he wasn't excited.
He was, because he was in the middle of another movie and he was in the weeds. And he just, I could just see pressure go across his face.
I would imagine that every one of these ideas that are good ideas, the first instinct is, oh, well, that's just too far.

We can't do that.

That would be awful.

And then you have to think another 30 seconds about it and you go, yeah, but it's kind of like that's what we thought on the last one. But then it worked and it was painful, but it was funny.
And so at what point I'd imagine you're, cause we're all about the same age, the, the body's ability to rebound and recoup uh from these things physically and a little bit mentally starts to become taxed a little bit do you start to like do you start to cast younger guys as part of the troop to so that they can take on some of these things i mean how does all that work well we um what was the first part of that question? Sorry. The first part about it is, well, the first time you- By the way, that's a really valid question, PJ.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'll pack a bunch in.
I apologize. Let me slow down a little bit.
Or should I speed up? No, no, no. Or just go, I'll just go quiet.
The first part, sorry. So when you think up these things, doesn't it seem that it's too much? Oh, got it.
Okay. The, the line is constantly getting drawn and erased.

Uh-huh.

Right?

Right.

Because Jeff and I will have, when we come up with an idea that's like riding that line,

we're, we're like, let's shoot it and see how it works.

We have that luxury of just shooting so many different things.

And if we view it afterwards, we're like, that's a little too much then we cast it aside but we always err on the side of uh having it and not needing it aside from needing it not having it right and as far as the body's ability recoup to recoup I can always talk about me personally uh I'm not very in touch with my body uh and i mean i'm just i'm not even trying to be funny right i'm just not very in touch with my body and but i knew coming into jackass forever i've been doing this for 20 years and this would be my last film where i put my life on the line right um is is there is there a stunt that you didn't do because you just thought it was for whatever you wanted to do but never did just because you're like, you know what, that's just going to be, somebody's going to get really hurt. Well, we put my biggest stunts to the end of the film so we can get what we need.
And I did a stunt on, I know the date because I had to spend the weekend in the hospital. It was December 18th of 2020.
I wanted to prank an animal, right? Sure. I really wanted to prank an animal.
Yeah, they deserve it. What we came up with was I was going to do a magic trick on a bull.
And boy, was that not a good idea because I had to do it twice, by the way, because the first bull, he hit me hard, but it didn't look good on film. It was one of those like, oh, I'm going again.
But anyway, I spent the week in the hospital because I broke my wrist, my rib, I got a concussion, and brain hemorrhage. Oh my God.
So fuck, man. But see, like to me, I would, I would just think of the, just the math of the stunt itself and know that at a minimum, that's what's going to happen.
Right. So like, there's no version of this stunt that goes perfectly.
So talk to me about what is the percentage of pain and problem you're willing to accept as a fait accompli for this thing? You know, it's like, how do you get hit by a bull and expect to just kind of walk away? So you're accepting some kind of damage on every stunt, yes? Well, I'm doing things where I have no idea how they're going to turn out. So I have to mentally walk into the bullring and be okay with however this is going to turn out.
Oh, my God. That is so soft.
I don't even take a risk on hotels. I know.
I just can look at three stars and know it's not going to be pleasurable for me. Right it's just easy well I got a five star hit out of it and I'm sitting here today talking to you guys I'm walking around I've been extremely lucky for all the things I've done you're amazing sorry PJ you've done so much great work as an actor, but you're most known, I would say, I would guess for the Jackass franchise.
Do you miss being that guy who came out to become an actor and be known in that way rather than what's made you famous? I mean, you've made a lot of movies too. Yeah, tons of movies.
As an actor. Yeah, I just consider, man, I am lucky to be here.
I am lucky to be where I'm at. I've gotten to work for the last 20 years with the same cast and the same crew.
It's just a group of friends. Yeah.
And I wouldn't trade that for anything. And everything else is just gravy.
Yeah. When you do, how did you like doing so? But Jackass did, you've done a lot of movies, and a lot of those doors were open because of Jackass, and everybody's like, wow, this guy's funny, and he's talented, and he's handsome, and blah, blah, blah.
Oh, shucks. When you started working on those movies, you know, I don't know, Dukes of Hazzard and all these things.
Like, did you, Men in Black, were you like, oh, right on. Like, this is, this is what I love doing more.
Or were you like, fuck, I miss hanging with my, with my guys? I wasn't torn like that. I was just happy to be able to have the jackass career and, and to be doing top of that.
Yeah, doing both. From a kid from East Tennessee who probably had very, very, very low chances of making anything out of himself.
I get the joke. Yeah.
You know, talk to me about your family, PJ, because when I was, I think one of the reasons, I'm guessing one of the reasons people connect so much and love the jackass movies is because they, it's like a wish fulfillment. You get to be a kid again and do all these pranks and run around like a jackass.
And when I was a kid, we, you know, single mom, dad left when I was young and there was no parenting. Talk about that.
We would have knife fights in the dark. We would literally throw steak knives at each other.
This is with your dad before he left. Yeah.
One of my brothers, like, built darts out of, like, needles and threw them, and they stuck in my back. Like, there was a bunch of stuff not nearly as dangerous as what you do.
Knife fights in the dark is pretty, like, that yeah no no you wouldn't film that and um uh it was called tiger in the grass and we would throw and we'd turn off all the lights in the house and it was dark and we'd whip we'd whip knives at each other anyway so um that's why i love the movies because they remind me of being a kid but did you do any of that when you were uh by the way brothers sisters like how big small was the family and did you do any of that when you were,

by the way, brothers, sisters,

like how big, small was the family?

And did you do any of that?

I had, no, I never did Tiger in the Grass.

Hello, my name's Sean Hayes and this is Tiger in the Grass.

No, I never did that.

I had two older sisters, eight and 10 years older.

My dad told me I was one of those M&M babies. I said, what babies said what's that dad he goes you came between menstruation and menopause oh wow he said the best part of you ran down your mama's crack boy oh wow and then my mom which would make it worse she'd go oh honey it did not i'm like mom that was a completely throwaway line

until you like justified it right stretch it out yeah yeah now now is now is rocco watching these

things and doing the same thing and jumping off stuff and you're having to rush him to the hospital

no you know most all of rocco and arlo's friends have seen jackass and they didn't even know about

jackass right growing up really they knew men in black they knew du Jackass. And they didn't even know about Jackass, right, growing up.

Oh, really?

They knew Men in Black.

They knew Dukes of Hazzard.

But you didn't show them this day.

No, I don't even think they knew about that.

They knew Daddy was an actor.

But Daddy was nice enough to never have to make him sit through his films.

How old are they?

They're 10 and 11.

Rocco will be 12 in a few days.

Right.

Anyway, we were sitting at the dinner table one night. Rocco was like, I don't know, eight or nine.
And he just goes, jackass. And we're like, what? It was just out of the, it was like reflexive.
And so I had to like tell him, yeah, dad does this. And I've shown him a couple of things.
But since he's kind of wired like my father, I don't want to show him a lot of things. Yeah.
Because you're afraid that he's going to say, what the hell are you doing? No, I'm afraid he'll go, that seems like a good thing to do. Right.
Got it. Right.
I don't want him to get hurt. I had a moment a little while ago, Jason and I did this thing that Sean had done a couple years ago, this live sitcom.

We did an episode of The Facts of Life.

And so Jason and I had these terrible wigs on and stuff.

And I remember one time I had my 13-year-old,

we were driving from the trailer like to set or whatever,

and I'm wearing this crazy wig and this stupid costume.

And I looked at him, he kind of looked at me, and I was like,

I said, is it pretty weird that this is what your dad does exactly yeah and and honestly i thought he was gonna go like yeah it's fucking bonkers man because you look like a lunatic or whatever and i'm 51 and i'm his dad and he said no i think it's okay i was like oh cool all right all right because that's what they've they've grown up in the circus. Right? Right, with us.
I saw one of those things where you guys were in the wigs and you slapped the cow walking shit out of Jason. And you guys were background.
You guys weren't even in the main guy. He's trying to steal the thunder.
Well, his mouth, he's got such a mouth on him. I was running my mouth.
The night before we'd done a dress rehearsal and he tried to jam my hand on the table in the, and I moved it. So this time, I went on the offensive.
I was like, shut the hell up, and I slapped him. It was so good.
It was so funny. You got to stay awake if you're in the background.
Yeah. We'll be right back.
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A role I've always wanted to play you know i always wanted to play johnny cash but that got uh taken yeah that got taken care of are you digging any documentaries that are on right now um like do you like the murder ones do you like the sports ones the whole gamut you know i watched the other day i think it's operation odessa, wait. Yeah, that's about the submarine, right? Yeah.
Yeah, the guys who tried to scam the Russian mob and the Cali cartel. Down in Florida, right? Yeah, the guy Tarzan who owned the place where Porky's was shot at.
Yeah. It's very good.
That thing's great. I love that shit.
Did you see that 100-foot wave? Did you see that one? I, you know, I saw that and I loved it. Yeah.
I was so in and episode six, it ends. And so I keep checking for episode seven and it never happened.
I thought there was more going to happen. It just kind of just went away.
What's it about Laird Hamilton? No. No.
It's about that other guy. Forget his name.
The guy, it's incredible. Jason, you got to see it.
Sean, you got to see it. It's incredible.
But it's literally about a 100-foot wave about a surfer? Yeah, it's about a guy who's like looking, the idea that there's this 100-foot wave out there and they end up in Portugal. The wave is Nazarene Portugal.
It's so... Oh, Will loves Portugal.
I sure do. Ask him about Portugal.
I want to move to Portugal. This has been my thing for about the last year.
Tuck in, guys. Well, no, it's great.
Murderville, February 3rd on Netflix at 8 o'clock. And then Nazare, Portugal.
These are the things I talk about. The guy's name was Garrett McNamara.
He's still going for it. Him and all his buddies.
Really? Yeah, not a young guy. Like, he's our he's our age right 50 mid-50s looks incredible and he he goes he's the first guy some dude reaches out to him and says you got there's this incredible wave here in Nazarene Portugal and so he goes and he grabs these two yahoos out of Ireland who've been doing like big wave surfing off of Ireland yeah he's like hey do you guys want to you know you want to tow me into this crazy wave and they're like yeah sure and the big wave surfing off of Ireland.
He's like, Hey, do you guys want to, you want to tow me into this crazy wave? And they're like, yeah, sure. And the big wave only happens in the winter.
So like the conditions are brutal and they go in and he tackles this huge fricking, it's nuts, man. It's nuts.
I mean, just, just driving out to the wave on the jet ski is perilous. Yeah.
Yeah. It's pretty amazing.
You know, one time, Jason, you want to tell them about the thing that happened with your Tesla that time? What? Yeah. Because we're talking about stunts and taking chances.
Oh, man. This one time I was trying to pull my golf bag out of the back seat of my Tesla real fast.
Real fast. Too fast.
And I hurt the very tip of my ring finger. Oh, man.
I couldn't swing a golf club for about four or five weeks. Nor play flamenco guitar.
Oh, man. No, you couldn't do anything.
And Sean, you hurt your fingers once, right? You were doing the music from Oklahoma and you went too fast. Too fast.
Right? Right, too fast. On the keys.
I can't say no during the number. I can't say no.
So, Will, what else are you working on? What's your new show, Will? It's Murderville. It's on Netflix.
Wait, so, enough about Murderville. Let's get back to Jackass, which is coming out on February 4th.
February 5th, yeah. So this is, you're hanging up the Jackass.
You're hanging up your spurs or whatever? I don't know what you'd say. Well, you know, after the first couple films, we're like, this is it.
And then we did a three. And now here's a four.
So we're never going to say never again, but I would step back. Yeah, I was going to say, could you infuse new talent to keep the franchise going? We have.
Like there's new cast in Jackass Forever. We have five new cast members, and they're great.
Isn't it time for other people to get hit in the nuts? Like you've been hitting the nuts enough, you know? Right. Yeah.
So we folded some young blood into the show. PJ, was there ever that like kind of that white whale of a stunt or thing that you were like, that you always kept in the back of your mind like, I'd love to ride on the back of a space shuttle or some shit.
You know what I mean? Jump from balloon yeah jump over the snake river sure there's a lot of ideas that we really wanted the uh there's this one idea that we've had an idea for i don't know the last 10 years i can't really say what it was and we we got so close on this but we ran it went went to the top of paramount and they came back and they said if you shoot this idea it's going to be at least like 10 million dollars for insurance wow and it just was prohibitive and it broke my heart because i thought we were actually going to get to pull it off but maybe one day we can and know, I became obsessed with getting the jackass flag on the moon. Right.
It's not really a stunt or a prank, but I really want to someone plant the jackass flag on the moon. PJ, are you like a health food nut? Do you do that kind of shit? Do you, like, eat well? Like, you always seem like you're kind of in good shape.
Are you that kind of thing? I'm not a health food nut, but I try to eat good. You know, I grew up eating so poorly.
Yeah. Right.
In Tennessee, like I never drank water really growing up. We would get, we drank Coca-Colas all day long.
You know, we go, that was what we drank. And mom cooked with like so much sugar and butter.
And around 13 or 14, I'm like, God, this doesn't feel right. I need to start eating like chicken and rice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason? Yeah, chicken and rice sounds great except for the rice part.
Now, Jason, you won't eat rice. Is that right? I will eat rice when I'm looking at rice, and it looks great when I'm at a Japanese restaurant or something.

But, yeah, no.

I don't have, like, a bunch of carbs and starch

as a general daily three meals a day.

You know, stuff me full of garbage.

Yeah, rice is really garbage.

You're right.

No, but it's just, what is it? It's just, what is it? It's just like substance. I want protein and I want vegetables and I want fruit.
Right. And what's the name of the dance troupe you're in again? Sorry, because you're a professional dancer, I'm guessing, by the way you talk.
I think Jason, I said, I accused Jason the other day that he's looking, his goal is he just wants to just barely dip below 100. He just wants to get below 100 pounds.
I want to look ill. That's what I'm, that's the goal.
I had one time I was working on this thing in this costumer and I was like losing a lot of weight and she goes, Will, you can't get too skinny. And I said, that's what I always say.
but no i just i don't know i don't you feel better when you got gasoline in your car and said you pour orange juice in your in your tank and your car won't move i'm trying to put in my body what it needs to run right what i just had a massive glass of orange juice before this what are you talking what orange juice in of it adds up. It's a tough thing to follow there.
Sean, you eat kind of whatever you want, right? Yeah, carbs in the morning, carbs at night. The marshmallow spread.
Yeah. I just had like three s'mores last night.
Oh, great story. So did you...
Thanks for sharing that with everybody. Our listeners...
Do you want me to teach you how to make them? Our listeners going crazy. Yeah.
Did you listen to this week's Smart List? Sean had three s'mores and never expanded on it. How do you expand on a s'more? It's two graham crackers, marshmallows.
Were you on a fucking camping trip? No, I do them over the stove. I roast the marshmallows over the

stove. And I use two of them.

This is a true story? Yeah, this is a true story. You and Scotty

made s'mores last night. No, he doesn't eat them.

He doesn't like them. I put two

marshmallows. Just by yourself.
He takes two

and then you put a big chunk of

Hershey's chocolate bar and two

graham crackers and you just stuff your fucking face.

Because you felt like, well, you know

I want a little treat. I'm gonna make this.
Yeah, you know

what? Now I'm talking about it. I'm gonna have it after this.

You know why? Because there's something about being an adult where you don't have to ask permission to eat sweets. Yeah.
Right, but you've been an adult for over 30 years, you know, so you're acting like a kid who escaped from fat camp. I mean, what do you, Jason said the other day, he was like, hey, look, I mean, humans...
He said, humans are the only animals that eat more than once a day. And blah, blah, blah, we should only eat once a day.
And then immediately everybody's like, what about cows? They graze all day. Oh, yeah, what about...
He's like, oh, yeah, I guess... You go through every animal.
I'm not smart. I just have ideas.
They're not great ideas or good ideas.

I just get ideas and then I spit them out.

They're a jumping off point.

Yeah, just start a conversation.

Enjoy.

You don't smoke.

Do you smoke cigarettes?

I tried to when I was 19.

Yeah.

I did it for like a month.

I would go to the Hollywood billiards every day and shoot pull, trying to be like Fast Eddie Felsen in The Hustler. Yeah.
But when I'd bend over to shoot, the smoke would get in my eyes, and they would start running, and then I would start sneezing, and I'm asthmatic. Yeah.
And so I just stopped that. And honestly, I didn't even know at the time that people inhaled.
I would just suck in the cigarette and blow it right back out. And years later, they're like, you inhale it down your lungs.
I'm like, I had no idea. Well, good.
You avoided a lot of stupidity. I wouldn't say that.
What about pot or gummies or that kind of thing? You know what? I love the idea of weed. I love the idea of weed, but it hits me wrong.
It makes me dizzy. It makes me go deaf.
I can't, I lose my cognitive skills. Yeah.
Not Sean. Sean just goes right to the s'mores.
Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to just creep in with a camera and shove, you know, from Sean's back door there, just come in and just catch him standing over the stove.
Cover my face over the stove cover my face yeah what song he's humming when he's making his s'mores you just walk in the Buffalo Bill headset you know the night vision goggles right from Silence of the Lambs it puts the s'mores in the basket yeah by the we did do a takeoff on that bit, and it's one of the best things we ever shot in Jackass Forever. We lured the cast to this room.
We staggered their call so it would be two at a time, and they thought they were watching me do this stunt. So they would get in the room, we would lock the door, turn out the lights, and they couldn't see anything.
And we psychologically absolutely tortured them and physically too, a little, but mostly it was psychological. And just to see how they interacted with each other was made the whole bit.
Like Dave England and Aaron McGee, he acted like an old married couple and they were just screaming at each other the whole time and clearly i'm the one who's causing all the uh chaos but they took it out on each other it's i can't wait for you to see that one i can't wait wow that's you just film it all with like night vision goggles yeah yeah what's it like insurance you talked about the high insuranceount. Like, it must be a fucking nightmare for them because these guys, everything in this world is run by lawyers.
Right. And so, so everything's prohibitively expensive.
Like, when you go, yeah, we want to make another jackass, they're like, fucking call legal because they're the first stop. Right.
Well, I think on the TV show we lost our insurance at one time And on the first movie, they didn't insure the entire movie. They treated, obviously, back then they treated the whole movie as a negative pickup.
They're like, here's some money. We don't have anything to do with it.
Yeah. So they insured per bit.
So one bit we wanted to do with Pontius to take him to a Pentecostal church dressed as the devil and handle snakes with the, you know, the congregation. It was going to be like $5 million to insure.
And our first movie cost $6 million. So we couldn't do that.
But after that, they just insured the entire movie. You know, they didn't insure it per bit.
But I did bring up the example of the one bit for Jackass 4 that was going to be like $10 million deductible or something. But that's like one of those things, you know, like we all know when you're going to do a job and you got to fill out that insurance thing and they'll be like, do you plan on operating a motor vehicle between now and the time you're shooting the movie? That seems pretty goddamn tame compared to like...
Yeah. Yeah, not only do I plan on being in a motor vehicle, I'm jumping one off a parking garage while I'm shooting myself.
What? It's so funny. Like on our movies, I can do whatever I want really.
But if I go on a Hollywood movie, they have a stuntman lined up for me. And they don't want me to do any stunts.
And it's frustrating. How do Hollywood stuntmen, how do they deal with you? Like, do you meet stuntmen and they give you like a, all right, man, good for you? I remember on the first movie I did, Jackass was just coming out and it was lunchtime and the stunt guys were like, hey, Knoxville, you can come sit with us.
And it meant so much to me. They're like, we don't let actors sit with us, but you can sit with us.
And so I was so touched because they've always been super nice to me and I really, what they do blows me away. They're so talented and gifted and trained.
And so we get along very well. That same thing happened with Jason.
The hair and makeup department said the same thing. They're like, you can come eat with us.
Wait, just one last question, PJ, just about the injuries. I know you get asked this all the time, but you had touched on, by the way, thank God you're doing well from all the things you listed back in December, almost a year ago.
The brain hemorrhage and all that. Is there anything that's lasted that you have to now live with because of that? I have to live with all my past injuries and we'll see where that comes out.
You know, I've had like 16 concussions. But my biggest one, and by the way, like I said earlier, I'm not very in touch with my body.
And I figured I did this to myself, right? So I get up every morning just thankful and grateful. But my back, I have two blown discs in my lower back.
So that's something I have to deal with, just with exercise and anti-inflammatories. But I'm so lucky.
I've had some stunts that almost had forever consequences five or six times i've almost dead five or six times so jason didn't you have a very successful day with two blown dicks what were you saying about that you had said i have what was the word that you said i have to live with it um and that's all i'll say is that so wrong? that's a high class problem BJ you stay safe please and we appreciate your sacrifice yes we sure do my goodness what a lot of fun you've given us we will see you personally very soon thank you for spending an hour with us yeah man thank you so

much for coming on all the best with the movie hope it kills and uh i'll definitely be watching you're the best thanks man thank you for having me on i really appreciate it thanks thanks pj all right bye-bye see you pal bye pal you know um i don't think i've ever met him and um he's really funny and he's really

personable.

I didn't think he would be

funny. I don't think I've ever met him, and he's really funny, and he's really personable.
You know? I didn't think he would be that. Yeah, that guy's just, there's no Hollywood in him whatsoever.
Yeah, he's great. He's super engaging, and I love how sort of honest he is about everything, every stage of his life, and then coming to L.A.
and doing the jackass and doing all of that. And he's just very sort of open, which is amazing.
And how wild that everybody has, like, a different journey. Like, he came out here to be an actor, and he did.
He's done tons of great movies, but he's known for being this, like, stunt, crazy person. Everybody, you just don't know where you're going to end up.
Yeah, I wonder what the percentage of people, I wonder what the percentage is of people who go to,

let's say, college studying up on a career

and actually do that.

Yeah.

I feel like a bunch of success comes

on the way to doing something different.

Yeah.

As long as you're pointed in a direction,

forks will emerge.

It's become huge for him.

I can't wait for that movie. I've seen all of them.
Boy, they're laugh out loud. Yeah become huge for him.
But I can't wait for that movie. I've

seen all of them. Boy, they're laugh out loud.
Yeah. Yeah.
I just, I can't, I would be so anxious

going into one of those things, even just thinking up the stunts. Like, well, you know, that feels

safe and like, I wouldn't be worried about that. But then it's like, well, that's not going to be

entertaining footage. It's got to be something that is really frightening in concept.
And then to actually execute, it's even more frightening. But also like what about that notion he was saying about getting, getting, you know, the bull going, you know, playing a trick on a bull.
Forget it. It really hurt, but they didn't get it on camera.
It didn't. Take two.
So yeah, take two with the bull.

Yeah. No, thanks.
And again, there's no way that nothing happens when you stand in front of a bull. And I think I know the one he's talking about, right? Where the bull charges you and flips you over its back.
Yeah. I mean, how do you, you can't land that.
I don't care what a great gymnast you are or whatever. Yeah.
That's what they're selling, you know. And God bless them.
I'll watch it. I wouldn't do it.
I do not have the backbone for that. I'll do it.
I'll do it too. I can't watch it.
It does make me uptight too when I see it because I get, with stuff like that, I get a little bit nervous. So I can't watch that stuff at night.
So at night, I'm not going to watch that because at night what I'll do is before bed, I'd rather, you know, be, listen to a lullaby. Lullaby! That was a good one, Arnett.
That was good. That was very good.
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