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SmartL Smart. Do you have a callback for Grease today? Will's wearing a white t-shirt.
Do we have a mute button for my laughter? Because, Jason, you got me rolling me rolling yeah if you just pull up the sleeves there you can look like uh danny terrio wait what was it what was the name of um john travolta's character in greece danny danny zucco danny zucco dude danny zucco yeah and danny terrio was the host of uh not dance nation no dance party dance fever dance fever dance fever good yeah my 14 year old is uh is drinking coffee has done for the last i don't know six months or so and very grown-up thing yeah i was surprised what a sort of a uh a reflex i had to her drinking coffee i thought well wait a second that's just she's too young for that like i was reacting like she was like she poured herself a couple of fingers of scotch. You know, neat.
Why? Because it's too early. She's too young.
No, yeah, I feel like kids aren't supposed to drink coffee until they're not kids, until they're 18. You know what, though? Archie's been doing it at, Archie's 12 and he's drinking coffee.
Truly? Yeah. But for girls, I think it's those Olsen twins that they were always photographed with a Starbucks coffee.
So the young girls probably thought, well, that's cool. I want to be like the Olsen twins.
You want to hang this on the Olsen twins? Yeah. Yeah.
But you know, the old wives tale that it stunts your growth and, you know, God bless them both. They're not tall, right? So.
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Jason, can I talk to you for a minute? No, but listen, they're, I love them. And I think.
They're adorable and sweet and normal. Believe me, they're not bummed out about their average height.
They're doing okay. Wait, Jason, now you're taking a swig of your coffee.
That's right. Well, I'm tall enough.
I'm sorry about it. I'm tall enough.
I'm fine. I did stop.
How tall are you? Well, that was my point. I'm 5'11", and until maybe five years ago, I just kind of rounded up to six foot.
Yeah. And I just, I hit F it.
I'm all about being overly honest. Now I'm 5'11", damn it.
You remember what I did to my friend Eli, who I was working with? I told you about that. I think I told both you guys that Eli kept saying he was six feet, and I don't want to call him out.
Sorry sorry i'll take his name out my friend and no we're gonna call everybody out in this it's way too late and and then he said uh and he said he was six feet and finally one day i was like dude you're not six feet and he was like yes i am so he's not even 5'11 right so we got we got a measuring and it's like you got to take your shoes off he's like oh fuck oh, fuck, I got to take my shoes off. And then I said, and your hat.
And your stilts. And comb your hair.
Yeah. Bring your hair down to your scalp.
So, yeah, 5'11". And I said, it's okay.
You don't need to be. Not everybody.
How tall are you, Will? How tall are you? I'm like pushing 6'3". No.
I'm 6'2". Well, that means you're 6'2".
God, we just had the conversation. I'm saying

I'm 6'2". Yeah, we literally just talked about not lying.

I'm not lying. What about you, Sean? I'm 6.

No, I'm 5'11". Yeah.

I'm a 6'1". But wait a minute.
How do you...

Wait, mystery guest. You have to hush

mystery guest. Wait, we have a mystery guest.

God! Alright, you know what? Here, let's just bring her on

now. She's eager to talk, clearly.

Yeah. Folks,

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She has more beauty, humor, and warmth than one person can use in three lifetimes. She's also got an Oscar, an Emmy, a Golden Globe, a SAG.
She's got two teenagers, a smoking husband, a dozen cats, eight pandas, and she speaks every language currently known. But all these things together may not be bigger than her lifestyle company that rhymes with soup.
Friends, it's Gwyneth Paltrow. It's Goop.
No. Yeah.
It's Gwyneth. Hi.
Hi, guys. I'm sorry.
I thought I was on mute. Look at how adorable.
Even with headphones on, you're the cutest thing in the world. Ever.
And of course, they're fancy headphones. Very nice of you to join us.
I want to jump right off to, uh, the thing, you know, I do a lot of deep research on,

uh, you look like you're reading off a prompter.

Well, yeah, this is Wikipedia cut and pasted.

Um, uh, what about studying anthropology at the University of California?

What, what, what, that sounds.

That's actually not true.

Come on.

Wikipedia doesn't lie.

I studied art history at UC Santa Barbara amongst other things, but then I dropped out. Never anthropology? No, but I just loved it.
I liked, you know, Margaret Mead, and I still do, and my mom was, I always said to her, I want to be an actress like you, and she said, oh, don't. You're way too smart.
Be an anthropologist. Well, now, now really quick your mom for my sister in wisconsin is blithe danner who was actually played will's mom on the program will and grace and so i've known your mom for a long time and she's one of the greatest actresses one of the nicest sweetest people you'll ever meet on the planet i love her i worked with her too i can vouch did too.
She played Christina's mom on Up All Night. Remember, Sean? Oh, yeah.
That's right. Yeah.
That's right. So we've all worked with your mom and we- She gets around.
Let's just get it out of the way. We love your mom.
You've worked with your mom, yes? Yeah. Yes.
I came out of her vagina and I've worked with her multiple times. This is a family show.
So I can also vouch for her. God.
What about when she said you're too smart to be an actress? What – I haven't heard that before. I've heard like, oh, it's not a meritocracy and it's all a bunch of fakes and phonies.
Right. But that – You've heard that when people were talking to you, you've heard that? Yeah.
But to jump on that, Jason, because being the only one here out of the bunch of us today who don't have children and forgets along the lines of where Jason is going, why do parents in show business always try to discourage their children from entering the same business in which they dreamed of being a part of? It is amazing. Why is that? I think because it's tough.
I mean, it's very, very difficult to succeed. And I think most days it can be very demoralizing.
And I think as parents, right, you fundamentally want to protect your children from pain and disappointment. And you know firsthand how hard it can be.
And we're successful. So, or i used to be before i quit but you're doing okay you're doing it but um wait you quit let's get into that i mean you know you know she has stepped back more or less i haven't fully quit but it's been a while you've been busy with your very successful business that goes by the name goop which has been incredibly successful and i know my friend john alex Alexander was a painter and lives in New York and he has a, his studios in Amagansett.
And you guys had one of your first shops was like on his driveway there. And I remember at first he was like, ah, the Goopies, they're in here and they're taking over my driveway.
No, no. He was just like all the young people who work there.
And then within like two weeks, he's like, these people are great. I love them and they bring me coffee.
Now, a lot of people will call you, those who are invited to be your friend and know you well, will call you GP. And that is where, correct me if I'm wrong, the name came from.
It's GP, but in the middle there are two O's because somebody told you early on that successful online companies have two O's in them. Is that correct? This is a true story.
Is that true? That's amazing. Is that great? I was trying to figure out what to call it.
I didn't want my name in it and I wanted it to sort of maybe be a made up word or something that was short. And I was consulting with an old friend of mine named Peter Arnell, who was like a marketing and advertising genius in New York.
And he was trying to help me. And he was just like, I got it.
It's goop. And I was like, that's terrible.
I mean, it's not. I think the original connotation is probably not that delicious sounding.
Goop. How long are we going to have to wait for Jube, Jason? When is Jube coming? We're working on that.
He's launching our men's. Yeah, it's a men's lifestyle.
Yeah, well, let's go. We're making news, Gwyneth.
Let's announce it now. Will's would be whoa.
Whoa. Speaking of vaginas, I said to my, I was dropping my son off at school on the west side today and I said,, we were in the car, and I go, stop at the stoplight.
I wanted to see his reaction. I go, so, Abe, we just got this time here, you and me in the car.
I said, I guess it's time. He's 10.
We talk about the birds and the bees and the looks. I just wanted to see.
And he just goes like this. No.
It was a look of disgust, listener. Yeah, yeah.
He's like, Dad, I like he's like i know everything he's like please don't say anything right now please don't say anything more i know how okay all right wait you didn't drill down on that pun intended um you didn't say hey what what tell me what you know tell me how you think it happens he turns out he knows but i was just gonna say no think when you said that you came out of your mom's vagina, it just made me think I was having this conversation. I didn't get to that, but I was just having a conversation with one of my children this morning about it.
Gwyneth, do you remember your conversation with, uh, with both your kids, with Apple and Moses about birds and bees? Did you ever have it? You know, I haven't done it yet with a 14. Um-old.
So at their elementary school here in Los Angeles where they went, they gave them the most comprehensive sex ed class in the sixth grade. They came home.
Sixth grade. They came home and they had been taught everything.
And when I say everything, I mean everything. It was wild.
Our God kids go to the same school or went. Did you feel that it was too early, too late or right on time? I thought it was perfect.
What's that? 12 years old? Sixth grade? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's, that's right.
That's pretty right. Well, how did you know that? Like, did you have them download you on what they? I mean, my daughter came home with her best friend, Emily, and she was like, they were stunned and they had learned things that they had never fathomed.
Mom, there's not a stork involved at all. There's no birds.
No, but they had taught them about venereal disease and all different kinds of sex. Not, you know, it was like very, very comprehensive.
And so they were, they were a bit stunned. I tried with my 14 year old, uh, and then, um, I wish I was there.
Pardon the term here, but aborted, uh, when I kind of got off the rails a little bit, cause I got to the point of explaining, I got right up to, uh, ejaculation and I didn't want to use that word or be any more specific about that moment so i just said that the penis is so happy about the connection that it's for some that it screams into the woman huh that's even more terrifying What the fuck this is? That's why I pulled the rip. Huh.
That's even more terrifying.

What the fuck this is?

That's why I pulled the ripcord.

The penis scream.

I turned up the radio.

I want to pull the ripcord.

This is one of the worst.

And then the dick barfed.

That would have been better.

That's the boy version.

Jesus Christ, baby.

I have girls.

I know. Gwyneth, I want to ask you a question about goop go ahead please do now i've been to the website it's fantastic thank you is the idea uh behind goop that it's like an amazon site kind of for women because remember for those who are listening there's there's this deli in town called Jerry's Deli.
And when you go there, you open the menu and there's thousands of things you can, or you can get anything you want at this deli. And that's kind of what I thought of when I went to Goop for the first time.
I was like, oh, wow, you can get, you literally can get anything. She loves that comparison.
Jerry's Deli. It is the Jerry's.
Jerry's Deli's the greatest deli in the world of female lifestyle it is it is guys starkman's just elated no i think first of all that's really good feedback because also we've been trying to work on uh clarifying the offering a little bit And, you know, when I started, I just was super interested in connecting people to interesting things and great doctors or tacos or whatever the case may be. And because I didn't conceive of it as a business when I launched it, and I was talking about a variety of subjects, I kind of had the latitude to go into a lot of different verticals when we started to monetize, right? So we could do a men's sweatshirt or a clean deodorant or, you know, stuff to make recipes with.
And so, yes, I think that kind of the overarching theme is we have tools and products and content to help people really optimize their lives. And I think because it's a lifestyle brand, we can kind of sell a lot, but also we don't want it to be overwhelming and confusing.
So actually we're in the process right now of streamlining a little bit. Has Sean's question made you, are you going to have like a conference call after this and be like, guys, we need to change our approach? No, I was going to- We need better sides.
I was going to say, you know, behind any brand that you've built is a trust from the consumers. And you've built this trust that Gwyneth Paltrow and the brand Goop, you can trust that anything you go to get there is going to be fucking awesome.
You're curating what you think in whatever sort of area, what you think is the best product for this particular need. Right.
And some of those products we make and some of them we buy, like amazing, you know, brands that we find that we fall in love with that adhere to our standards of non-toxic, et cetera. Right.
And when you started it, where did the idea come from? What was the inspiration? And, like, were you like, I got to get, like you said, I kind of take a, I need to take a break from acting or whatever and really delve into this or was it just something that you kind of did on the side that became something you know it's funny when i was little i really really really wanted to be an actress and that is because i grew up watching blithe danner rehearse masha and the three sisters or blanche dubois or all of these like, or, you know, Shakespeare in the Park. Like I grew up watching this woman fully inhabit herself and her power on stage.
And I thought like, gosh, I want to be like that. And so that's what you do in order to, as a woman, you know, especially at that time, you didn't see a lot of, you know, even on Wall Street, like the women who are on Wall Street were sort of approximating a male, you know, that male archetypal thing instead of doing it as a woman.
And I saw my mother and all of her femininity and talent, like just being incredible. So I thought that's what I wanted to do.
And so that's what I started to do. And I nailed it.
Yeah. Thank you.
To say the least. Yeah.
I had a lot of success, but I'm also really a homebody. And I love my family.
And I've had all my best friends either since kindergarten or seventh grade when I moved schools. Like I was lonely being, you know, in a hotel room in Toronto, ordering room service.
And all my friends were, you know, in New York or in college, you know, and I just felt like a little bit of a fish out of water. And so that feeling grew.
And then once I had my daughter, I was like, I can't, I just can't, I can't do this. Like I can't leave her.
For three, four months in a trailer. I just can't do it.
I can't. her for three four months in a trailer i just can't do it i can't but you did see your mom um manage uh an ability to take you with her when she was on location yes yeah but i think i think she also gave up a lot of amazing film roles like if i told you guys some of the parts that she passed on like you would you wouldn't believe it it's pretty great It's pretty crazy.
I'm sure. Because of us.
And then every summer she would go to the Williamstown Theater Festival and she would do one or two plays and we would all go and we would go to camp and we had the best time in the summers doing that. And then she would try to do movies that were in L.A.
or TV. You know, she was very cognizant of not, you know, going to Europe for four months to film and leaving us at home.
I mean, I think she did it a couple of times. She did a miniseries once in Germany and the UK.
But then we got to go over there and see her. But you know how it is.
It's – Yeah. If you have little kids, it's hard to go, you know.
Especially once you guys get into school too and you've got a social've got a social continuity that you want to yeah you know i just yeah that's something that uh i know that jason as another person who's got kids that i know uh it's something that we're always just jason i was thinking the other day about when we were like in our early 30s and we were just stuff would happen we'd like do whatever because we had no kids. We had no responsibilities.
And now everything is always seen through the lens of, does it work for my kids? Like, you know. Yeah, them first.
Like somebody, I was recently, I was going to go to Toronto to do this thing. And I'm like, I can't go right now because I can't go to quarantine.
I can't be away from my kids and I can't be away for 14, or I can't have, not have the ability to come home on the weekend. Like there's no there's just no way it's out of the question.
It's a nonstarter. Can't do it next.
Yeah, exactly. They wreck everything.
So then because of that, you kind of felt that being at home, you wanted to begin another kind of dream of yours or something that you were drawn to? Well, I was always so passionate about cooking and traveling and discovering things. And when I had done films in far-flung places, I had kind of cracked the cities and I had notebooks full of, you know, I would ask like, like when I was shooting The Talented Mr.
Ripley, we were in Naples and the hotel concierge, I said, where's the best place to get pizza? And the concierge told me three places. And then I asked the camera truck driver, where's the best place to get pizza? Totally different answer.
And that guy's pizza was a million times better. So I was like, tourists are getting hosed by their, you know, concierge.
Like this isn't the right place to go. And so I started, you know, aggregating all that information and then sharing it with my friends.
And I just get so much pleasure out of that. Is Goop International as well? Like, in other words, like if I go to Peru and I want to know where to get, you know, a good sweater, like, is there? I don't know if we have a, I think we have a Peru guide.
It's pretty international. There's some, there's some areas we haven't covered, but it's all the major cities are covered for sure.
Wow. Do you guys cover like drugs too? Oh.
Yeah, we do. Psychedelics and absolutely.
That's for sure. Wait, speaking of which I heard, isn't there, is it true that there, I apologize.
I have not done great research. If I had, I would have seen the Goop show on Netflix, but I hear on that either you take psychedelics or somebody does.
Yeah, and yeah. So one of the episodes was, you know, it's, it's actually a really, really fascinating field and it's emerging for trauma, for healing trauma.
So there's a well-established organization called MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. And they're going through a trial with the FDA right now with veterans.
And it's really, really incredible. Like their people are taking MDMA, medical grade MDMA or psilocybin, which is mushrooms and being able to heal incredible deep trauma and being able to get off other antidepressants or feeling less suicidal.
So this is really going to be the emerging modality. Yeah, I've heard so much about it.
Is it microdosing or is it controlled full trips? So in the case of the MDMA, it's a high dose with the practitioner and the therapist there. So microdosing psilocybin has been shown to really help with depression, and that's a microdose.
So people take microdose, you know, and they are – their outlook on life is really changing. And they're studying that right now as well, which is pretty cool.
I know. I got prescribed glow sticks by my doctor.
Oh, no. That's a different thing.
It's a different – And a rave. Rave and glow sticks.
but it does i do know a couple people who are microdosing and it seems to have had really good

effect No, no, that's a different thing. It's a different.
And a rave, rave and glow sticks. But it does, I do know a couple people who are microdosing, and it seems to have had really good effect.
I guess they've been doing it for a while now, and they talk about the fact that they're not, they don't feel high at all. They don't feel out of it, but they just don't.
They were able to get off other prescription meds, which I think is really the direction we should be going in. And did you do this on the show, Gwyneth? I did not, but some of my team did.
I did not. But on one episode, the psychedelics episode, some of our team from Goop went to Jamaica and did psilocybin.
Have not yet returned, I heard. Have not yet returned.
Cannot be found missing. You said tried psilocybin.
You mean they just took shrooms? They took shrooms. That's right.
But in a therapeutic setting. Sure.
Yeah, because I don't want to puke. I don't want to like get sick.
Is that code for a bean bag? What's a therapeutic setting? Pretty much. Yeah.
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All right, now let's say Apple comes to you and she says she wants to be an actress or maybe she

is already. I apologize.
What do you say to that? Well, you know, I think parenting is such an interesting exploration of your own projections and judgments and et cetera. Right.
So I think my goal with both my children all the time is to try to create an environment where they feel that they are accepted for who they are. And so I try not to steer them towards or away from anything because I think implicit in that is I'm judging you for your choice.
That's a mistake. He heard judgment.
He knew it was a negative. Yeah.
Yeah. They're not going to have any fear of anything.
Way to go. Fear is such a...
But obviously she would look at your experience and go, well, this would be safe. I've got a great example of success in this.
And a lot of times that's kind of just the key. If you don't have a barrier in front of it and you feel somewhat confident, nine times out of ten you're going to land on something pretty great.
I mean, I think she'll be whatever she wants to be. And hopefully she'll, you know, I hope she's polite and happy and nor as normal as possible.
And, and that she's self aware and, you know, all those kinds of things. And if she wants to act, then I'll totally support that.
Your kids are starting to get to that age of college, right? And starting to think about like- Yeah. She's almost 17.
That is a comedy-sized mug, by the way. Thank you.
Can I get that on the website? That is a good-looking coffee mug. That is a great mug.
That is really good-looking. Actually, we don't sell these mugs.
Yet. Yet.
Yet. What about- I mean, I'm going to be such a mess when my kids go off to college.
I'm not going to be good at being an empty nester at all. I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
I'll be a wreck. Why don't we all just tell you what you're going to do.
What's that? Probably play golf like one more day a week than you already do. And sit where you're sitting.
Yeah. Jason's wife told me recently, she told me like, cause I talked to, I told Jason, I talked to Jason's wife a lot on the phone.
In fact, Amanda and I FaceTime a lot. You FaceTime a little bit more than I think is appropriate.
Why don't you just call her? You don't need to be staring at each other when you're discussing things. We like to read.
We're trying to read each other. It's called human connection, you weirdo.
Pick it up in the voice instead. So she said, she goes, I don't mind that you guys are playing so much golf, but I don't want him to get soft.
And I was like, too late. You know, I mean, let's be real.
The golf pod. Yeah, we got the golf thing.
But having the kids go away, that is something that you're staring down the barrel of in the next couple years, right? Sorry, I don't want to cause it. No, it's okay.
If I cry, forgive me. We'd love to get you crying.
I don't think we've had a crying guest yet. God, that would be great.
Yeah, guys, let's work on that. Keep going, Will.
Here's the thing. We know she's won an Academy Award amongst other things.
We know you could cry, but we want real... She could fake it real easy.
Based on your own life, Taurus, if that's okay. Do you have a strategy for the empty nest thing? Have you decided what you're going to do about it? This is good.
Keep going. Psilocybin.
A lot of psilocybin. Psilocybin.
I'm going to do a lot of psilocybin. There we go.
Good idea. You know what I think the strategy might be is maybe move to a different house.
Just outside the university? Exactly. Like I could go pretty near where she's going to go to college and then I don't have to walk by an empty bedroom or anything like that.
Yeah. Yeah, move into like a two-bedroom apartment.
I'm considering that. Yeah, smart.
You know what's so funny? When I was in college, I used to call my mom at like one or two in the morning because I had no consideration for her sleep pattern. And every time she would answer the phone, she'd go, Hello? Hello? Hello? And I'd go, Mom, are you sleeping? No, I'm up.
I'm up. What's up? I'm up.
I was like, well, it's not a sign of weakness if you're sleeping just call me back like she like she was like wanted to be like the best perfect mom everywhere all the time and i was such an asshole for calling her two in the morning but i was like well she liked to keep an eye on you dude come on gwyneth my mom grew up with one eye so that was that joke you know g, I'm looking at you drinking that coffee. It makes me think you're probably the one person.
Yeah, exactly. It's tea, right? The one person I know that might not have a vice.
Not tea. Wait, wait, wait.
Do you have a vice? It's like a matcha. You're going to guess what the vice is or what's in the...
I'm trying to guess what she's drinking. Oh, I know what it is.
It is, it's green tea.

No, she said it's not tea.

Oh, it's not tea.

It's yerba mate.

No.

It's.

Oh, fuck.

Fuck.

It's hot, hot, hot water and lemon with a sneeze of honey. You are maxing out what we know about alternative cool beverages.

It's way goopier.

Exactly.

It's goopier than tea.

What is it?

Mushroom.

It's the, it's like mushroom tea, not the psilocybin stuff.

Reishi?

No, it's not.

No.

No.

It's like root of something.

It's like root of psilocybin.

It's eye of newt, wing of bat.

Nailed it.

DMT.

Nailed it.

Pure DMT.

It's bone broth.

Of course, it's bone broth.

What kind of bones?

Are you being serious?

Is it really bone broth?

What do you mean?

What kind of bone?

Skeleton bone. Human bone? Yes.
Yes. Human bone broth.
That's why she looks so good, guys. She's...
Goop is extreme. We just confirmed QAnon.
Exactly. That's what I was going to say the same.
No, it's chicken broth. It's bone broth.
But we used to... That's what we used to call it when you have too many dudes in a hot tub, we'd call it bone broth.
Our last Saturday in my case. What about a vice, Gwyneth? I want to know.
Do you have one? Oh, yeah. Well, I used to have many more vices.
Like I really loved cigarettes. Like loved.
Me too. Loved.
I miss it. Yeah.
Do you still miss it? I still. Every once still every once in a while every once in a while I mean I haven't smoked in a really long time now but every once in a while you haven't had one you know I I quit my like pack a day habit when I was probably 24 years old and then I didn't smoke for a long long time and then I did a movie called the Royal Tenenbaums where I had to smoke in the movie.
And I was like, oh, this is quite nice. And then I would smoke a little bit.
And then I stopped. And then I did The Talented Mr.
Ripley where I had to smoke. So I would maybe, you know, I had a long time of not smoking and then maybe having one every once in a while.
And then I had my kids and didn't smoke forever. And then, and then maybe for a couple of years after that, maybe one at a party, like one a year or something like that.
That wouldn't get you nauseous? No, no, I loved it. But, but then now I haven't smoked in years and I do miss it.
Cause I just, you know, yeah, I think it's our generation too, right? It was like, we, it somehow didn't fully sink in how bad for us it was. It's also social, right? It's a social thing.
And it was so, I don't know, I was like first thing in the morning with a cup of coffee and a cigarette, which is so gross, by the way. Like, that is gross.
Well, I guess. I guess it's gross.
Let me just say this. Here's a little update.
I'm going to give you guys a little spoiler alert. Smoking, still cool.
Next subject. Okay.
No, you know, I used to be like, I used to smoke a lot. I don't smoke that much anymore, but I do.
Oh, I don't know about that. Okay, well.
Every time I chat with Will, like on a FaceTime or something, and he has a cigarette, I always start with, Oh, good. You're still smoking? Good.
That's the only reason I was calling. Right.
But I like alcohol, but also I've been on this, like, you know, I've been super, I don't know. I've been on a bit of a clean out since basically during quarantine, I was drinking seven nights a week and making pasta and eating bread.
Like I went totally off the rails. I mean, who drinks multiple drinks seven nights a week? Like that's not healthy.
Gwyneth Paltrow does. I know.
During quarantine. But no, wait, what does this look like? Are we talking about like a nice wine or are you just going for the cheap, hard stuff? No, this is like whiskey.
Like I love whiskey. So I would have like, and I make this fantastic drink called a Buster Paltrow, which I named after my grandfather who loved whiskey sours.
Yeah. And it's this great quinoa whiskey from this distillery in Tennessee with maple syrup and lemon juice.
And it's just heaven. And I would, like, have two of those every night of quarantine, basically.
Well, nobody knew what was happening. You were living your best life.
I know, but it was too much. And it sounds like you were spending a lot of time with Dandies.
If you're going to spend time with Dandies, you're going to have a lot of cocktails. By the way, I make Dandies at Buster Paltrow every Sunday, so he knows exactly what I'm talking about.
But wait, so what do two drinks do to you? Do you remember going to bed every night? Of course. I'm not like blackout.
But some people, their tolerance is low. Really? I guess you're doing it every night.
So wait, would three or four get you into a blackout? I don't. That's too much.
I need to know what's going to get you into a blackout. Why do you need to know? Yeah, why do you need to know? It sounds like I'm trying to know.
Because I'm fascinated with people's tolerance. You know, some people, they can just drink, drink, or smoke a bunch of weed.
It never affects them. And then other people, they just get around it and they get crazy.
Yeah, I'm not like that. Yeah, I mean, you seem like we've met a few times and you're always so wonderful and warm and kind and, like, inviting and in control and calm and have a light around you.
And is that, like, what makes you fall apart? Like, I can't imagine you falling apart at the same i i do i fall you know what makes me fall apart the most is um i mean i think i'm not great at taking kind of emotional inventory all the time i think i'm i'm a good white knuckler like i'm like i can get through it. Like, I can, you know.
And then, so there will be a cumulative effect there where I'm like, I. Do you snap at that moment? Yeah, I can't see you getting mad.
Like, I'll cry. I'm not a mad.
Like, I'll be passive aggressive or I'll be like, you know, my kids will come to the kitchen in the middle of it, and I'll be like, I'm on a phone call, guys.

Like, do you see, you know what I mean?

So I'll be a little short-tempered.

But I'm not, I don't snap.

Like, I don't yell.

I'm never, I turn into like the waspy side of me.

I'm half Jewish and half, I go wasp. I go like cold internal.

I just like shut down.

No anger, no outburst.

Have you ever seen Jason if somebody forgets to charge his Tesla? Have you ever seen that? That wasn't a high point for me. Okay.
It was after a really bad round of golf. You want to run.
You want to run. Wait, now are you, if you don't snap, does that mean that your kids kind of know that push comes to shove, we need not worry about mom? I feel like kids might need to be afraid of consequences a little bit.
I mean, are you a pushover? No, not at all. And they know.
I think they're recalibrated, right? I think every kid is really smart at understanding what their parents' triggers are and the moods are. And they're so tuned in to us.
I think, you know, they said to me the other day, actually, that I'm, they're like, you can be so scary because you're quiet. Falling before the storm, yeah.
Yeah. But I don't, I didn't.
Now, what about your dude? Is he the disciplinarian in the house? I mean, our approach is like be super honest, super transparent with the kids always. And like if something's and also now they're all 15, 16, 17.
We have four together. So they're they're pretty well who they are.
And there's not a lot of like deeply corrective stuff. You know, I think you want to continue to guide your kids a little bit in towards the right end.
And I always think about like, who are we trying to put into the world when they're 18 and come at it from that point of view, as opposed to being reactive. Like I think our parents' generation really parented out of instinct, and I'm not sure that's the best way always.
I think there could be – it might behoove our children for us to have some strategy and like big picture thinking around how to raise kids. It's funny.
My parents came from the generation – I'm Canadian but also very – fairly, I guess, WASPy background, and they would say it was a lot more of like there are things you should and shouldn't do. You should be this way and you should not be this way.
And it was like, well, what does that mean? And it wasn't tailored to your experience. It was, no, this is the way you behave and this is not the way you behave.
And there were just absolutes in that way. Yeah.
And it doesn't allow for a lot of mistakes. Well, yeah.
First of all, it doesn't allow for a lot of mistakes, but it also doesn't, it doesn't accommodate, you know, people's or kids' personalities or what they're going through. And obviously that sort of shifted.
I think that's a generational thing. Sort of, or the criteria has changed, right? It's like, now we're so helpful and we want to remove all their obstacles.
And I'm not sure that the outcome of that is so great either. Exactly.
So it's tough to try to, because you have that sounds like, well, I certainly have that instilled in me. And I know that there are parts of that that aren't necessarily right, but there are other parts of it that are good in terms of like, how do you become a member of society, part of the greater good.
I mean, again, this might be a Canadian idea, but this idea that we all have to contribute to this thing. And so there are things that we have to do that aren't necessarily things that you want to do.
So you want like, like you got to pass the puck, you might want to shoot it, but you're saying that there's always that. But I think you can do that.
Like you can explain, hey, this is why you might want to pass the puck. But without the shame that goes.
I don't even know what that means. No, I just love you said it.
Canadian parenting. It's like a hockey thing.
I'm out. Okay, fine.
But without shaming the child for the fact, you know, good people pass the puck.

Like that is not the message that you want.

It's like, hey, we live in a society where teamwork is a great thing and this is totally normal.

It might not be your instinct, but you'll find if you do pass the puck,

it's going to, you know, cultivate camaraderie and teamwork.

You know what I mean?

There's a way to do it, I think, that's not like you are a bad person

for not passing the puck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you find them more advanced than you were at that age? Oh, beyond. They run circles around me now.
I'm 48. Like, there's so much.
I don't know. I can't believe you just said you're...
I gotta hang on a second. I need some bone broth.

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I want to ask a question about,

for all the fans, including me, of your acting,

which I know we kind of touched on.

Sure.

You had said at somewhere,

I forgot how you said it.

It was so... Take your time, Sean.

Take your time.

You abandoned acting.

She's not busy.

She only has a huge corporation to run.

Yeah.

Yeah, really drag it out.

Get your thoughts together.

and then No, well what

Thank you. I forgot how you said it.
It was so. Take your time, Sean.
Take your time. She's not busy.
She only has a huge corporation to run. Yeah.
Really drag it out. Get your thoughts together and then sound it out.
Have you officially retired or is there something we can look forward to? Or for the people that miss you seeing you on screen, is there, is there, are you only, would you only agree to something that's in town to film and stuff like that? I probably wouldn't. I mean, the last time I starred in a movie, I've done good supporting parts in Iron Man, as you said, or this movie Country Strong that was only four weeks of shooting like 10 years ago.
The last time I starred in a movie, I was pregnant with my daughter. Wow.
So if my son goes to college and I feel the calling to do it, I think I would do it then. And in the meantime, well, we're doing another season of The Goop Lab on Netflix, which will come out next year.
That's cool. And then, you know, if my husband wants me to do something that he's doing, I would probably do that.
Because you're submissive and subservient to your man. We got it.
We're going to be right back after these messages. No, we're not going to come back.
If that's your question, we will never come back. If that's your actual question, we'll never come back.
Just from a fan perspective, it's just, I want to see you do more. It's just that you're so talented.
I'm so terrible. It's not my natural comfort.
Like I don't, I don't love it. I don't like being famous.
I don't like, but you do, it does seem like you do enjoy the, the, the position and the responsibility of leadership. Yeah.
Yes, that's true. And I acknowledge that my fame has given me that platform.
Like that's the platform from which I built this thing. So I'm not, you know, I'm not in any way minimizing the importance of it or value of it.
But you've got that with Goop.

But having said that, you also earned that because of your work. So there's nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about.
Like you earned that and it opened those doors in the same way that it does for lots of people in business for whatever it is they've come from. So there's no shame in that.
You earned it in that sense. And also, I was going to think how funny how funny is it or unexpected rather that you started this company because you had all these ideas, these sort of creative ideas of what things that you want products that you wanted to bring to market or things that you wanted to help people with in certain areas.
And then as a result of that, you actually have to get into the business side of it and be having all these calls about profit and loss and, and, And I'm sure employees and all this kind of shit, interesting, great, not great could do without it. So, so interesting.
So expanding, so hard, so educational, so inspiring, you know, just a host of feelings and, um, experiences that I just can't imagine. You know, all founders have that in common.
Like there's, it's, it's a very strange thing to pour yourself into something like that and then create a group of people to help you do that. And I've just, you know, for me, it's like, I love to learn.
And so I've never learned more in trying to figure out how to do this job. I bet you would say no if I said, would you ever think about going into politics? But if a gun was to your head and you had to be the president of the United States, do you think, I mean, like there's no choice.
You have to, it's done. Do you think that you would figure out how to enjoy it and be good at it for everyone in the country, including those that you have absolutely no agreement with as far as politics? Because I guess that would be the ideal president, right?

The president for everybody and figuring out how to balance everything and compromise and whatnot.

I think I would be most interested in the people that I don't agree with. And I think you, I would learn the most from those people.
And I disagree. I think that when you, when you get rhetoric out of the way, you know, and you get this sort of like soapbox, righteous, didactic stuff out of the way, you're, you're, you're looking at a human being who is a thinking, feeling human being who has formed opinions based on a number of set of circumstances and criteria and, and their chosen information.
And like, how do you, there's so much more for us to learn through connection and understanding than anything else. So I think I would be a terrible president because I don't remember American history whatsoever.
But if I was forced to, that would be my approach. I bet that would be successful because we're going to force you.
So the rest of your day today, you have Goop duties, parent duties, partner duties, what? I have. So we implemented a no meetings Friday at Goop, which is fantastic.

We do that too.

We just started that.

It's so great.

So everybody can just kind of – so I have a lot of work to catch up on.

We just came off of off-site last week and I have some planning and roadmapping to do.

And then I am going to do that and pick up my son from school.

He's just gone back, which is great.

And then I'll –

Is there cooking tonight?

Thank you. to do.
And then I am going to do that and pick up my son from school. He's just gone back, which is great.
And then I'll- Is there cooking tonight? Actually, tonight there's no cooking. My husband and I are going, we're going out to Malibu to eat at one of our favorite restaurants.
Nice. God, I haven't been to a restaurant in so long.
I miss it badly. So good.
It's a place, I don't know if you like oysters and stuff, but it's like an oyster bar and lobster rolls and cheeseburgers oh my god so good and when you eat outside sounds great and a couple drinks you're gonna have a couple cocktails why not well i'm been i've been really off the sauce but i've been i've been uh having a little bit here and there but so maybe maybe tonight maybe tonight you're gonna release the h You're going to have a little bit of whiskey and some oysters. Sounds like a pretty long night for you tonight.
Might want to sleep in tomorrow. I need, and I know you don't have a goop, man, but I really feel like I need a good face scrub.
And I'm not even being coy. I'm being real.
I will vouch for that. I'll scrub it.
Our face scrub is unisex.

Is it?

And you should get it.

It's called Goop Glow Micro Germ.

I'll use a woman.

I have two older sisters.

I used to use their stuff all the time. It's for everybody.

It's not overly femininely fragrant.

It's for men and women.

I'll send you some, Will.

I'll send you.

I'm so good.

I'll get your address from Danny D's and I'll send you a.

Yes.

Good.

I'll send you guys all some goop. We're going to hold you to that.
I can't. Yes.
I need some. Oh, but we ordered some food off the, off the goop site the other night and loved it.
Thank you. Loved it.
We're excited about that. And so, so excited that, you know, our penises are screaming.
Yeah. You got to yell into the vagina.
Lots of vaginas. This is, if you ever need anybody for a sex ed talk, you've got to yell into the vagina.
Into lots of vaginas.

If you ever need anybody for a sex ed talk, you know Jason's your guy now.

I'm here.

Where were you, Jason?

Where were you?

Thank you so much for joining us.

Very, very nice of you to join us.

You guys are so great.

What a fun...

When did you start doing this?

You don't even know.

Out of boredom.

A year ago.

And why? For no reason. We wanted to talk.
We have no lives. Okay.
Yeah. Honestly.
You should do one. Do a goop chat.
Are you going to say, is there a format? No. No, is there like...
You know, Wikipedia and an internet service. You can attest to this too.
You can tell our listener that we don't have any format, that we just start rolling. There's no, right? There's no preamble.
That's great. That's fine.
But I was just wondering, is there like a larger thesis around like- That would require thinking. The why or what you're trying to- No.
There's no theme. There's no goal.
Okay, great. Well, it's really fun.
I've been winging it since 1970. Why would I start planning now? Thank uh for lending some uh some smarts to us today and um that's a pleasure enjoy the rest of the day you guys are awesome you're just so much this is so great what what fun thank you so much thanks bye bye bye she's like a warm cozy blanket you want on you all the time yeah like a, what kind of drink would she be if she would, I guess like a hot chocolate? No.
Hot toddy, maybe. Something more comforting and soothing.
Like a broth, like a hot broth, like a bone broth. Bone broth? Let me just say this.
Let me just say that. I don't mean to be too indelicate, but I've only met her a handful of times, and I have worked with her mom, whom I adore, and I just thought she was awesome.
She was so— Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When I said in the middle, I was like, you're so chill and down to earth and, like, together.
I know. I got a real crush on her now.
Oh, did it start just now? Welcome to the earth. Yeah, it did.
It did. It just started.
I mean, I never realized, and then just talking to her, I've got a—yeah. I think Sean's going to kick Scotty out today.
I think, Sean, you've got to crush, too. Yeah, she confuses me.
A little bit, right? She confuses me. Wait, wait, Sean.
Hang on, Sean. Were you confused? I was a little confused.
I was, I found her very attractive, and I liked the little black top she had on. Terrific.
It's okay to say top, right? Yep. With the poofy shoulders? Yeah, the poofy shoulders.
Short sleeves? The glasses and the... And the blowout.
And the hair. Listener, you missed it.
But, but boy is she not comfortable in her skin she's so comfortable in her radiant skin in her well hydrated glowing how great does she and by the way this is going to be people are like well this is misogynistic no it's not i mean any person any human i would say they look great. She looks great.

Yeah, she looks fabulous.

Exactly.

And she's got the brains and everything.

It's okay to compliment somebody.

On their love.

You guys look decent.

You know what I mean?

Not terrible.

I can say that.

Not terrible.

I think I like her pretty good.

Yeah.

Gosh.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, if she didn't flip you, Sean, maybe she at least made you...

Bye!

Bye!

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