"Gwyneth Paltrow"

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Smartlist.

Speaker 1 Is what we normally would say when we do an opening. But today is different because today is welcome to Smartless.
Well, that's what I just said.

Speaker 1 Pretty close. Smart.

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Speaker 1 Do you have a callback for Greece today?

Speaker 1 Wells wearing a white t-shirt. We have a mute button for my laughter because, Jason, you got me rolling.
Yeah, if you just pull up the sleeves there, you can look like

Speaker 1 Danny Terio.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was the name of John Travolta's character in Greece? Danny. Danny Zucco.
Danny Zucco, dude. Danny Zucco.
Yeah. And Danny Terio was the host of...

Speaker 1 Not Dance Nation. No, Dance Party.
Dance Fever. Dance Fever.
Dance Fever, good. Yeah, my 14-year-old

Speaker 1 is drinking coffee, has done for the last, I don't know, six months or so. Very grown-up thing.
I was surprised with what a sort of

Speaker 1 a reflex I had to her drinking coffee. I thought, well, wait a second,

Speaker 1 she's too young for that. Like, I was reacting like she was like, she poured herself a couple of fingers of scotch, you know, neat.
Wait, why? Because it's too early. She's too young.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, I feel like kids aren't supposed to drink coffee until they're... Not kids, till they're 18.
You know what, though, Archie's been doing it at 20. Archie's 12 and he's drinking coffee.
Truly?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But for girls, I think it's those Olson twins that they were always photographed with a Starbucks coffee.
So the young girls probably thought, well, that's cool.

Speaker 1 I want to be like the Olson twins. You want to hang this on the Olson twins? Yeah.
Yeah. But, you know, the old wives tale that it stunts your growth.
And, you know, God bless them both.

Speaker 1 They're not

Speaker 1 tall, right? So many. Okay.
And we'll be right back with the word from our sponsors. Jason, can I talk to you for a minute? No, but listen.

Speaker 1 I love them. And I think they're adorable and sweet.

Speaker 1 Believe me, they're not bummed out about that their average height.

Speaker 1 They're doing okay. Wait, Jason, now you're taking a swig of your coffee.
That's right. Well, I'm tall enough.
I'm sorry, but I'm tall enough. I'm fine.
I did stop. I did.
How tall are you?

Speaker 1 Well, that was my point. I'm 5'11.
And until maybe five years ago, I just kind of rounded up to six foot. Yeah.
And I just, I hit, I hit F it. I'm all about being overly honest.
I'm 5'11, damn it.

Speaker 1 You remember what I did to my friend Eli, who I was working with?

Speaker 1 I told you about that. I think I told both you guys that Eli kept saying he was six feet.
And I don't want to call him out. I'll just say, sorry, I'll take his name out.
My friend,

Speaker 1 is that too loud? No, we're going to call everybody out in this way too loud.

Speaker 1 And then he said,

Speaker 1 and he said he was six feet. And finally, one day I was like, dude, you're not six feet.
And he was like, yes, I am.

Speaker 1 He's not even 5'11, right? So

Speaker 1 we got a measuring. And it's like, you got to take your shoes off.
He's like, oh, fuck, I got to take my shoes off. And then I said, and your hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And your stilts.
And comb your hair. Yeah.
Bring your hair down to your scalp.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, 5'11. And I said, it's okay.
You don't need to be. Not everybody.
How tall are you, Will? How tall are you? I'm like pushing 6'3. No.
Yes, well, that means you're 6'2.

Speaker 1 We just had the conversation.

Speaker 1 I'm saying I'm 6'2. We literally just talked about not lying.
I'm not lying. What about you, Sean? I'm 6.
No, I'm 5'11. Yeah.
I'm missing 11. But wait a minute.
How do you

Speaker 1 wait, mystery guest? You've got to hush, mystery guest. Wait, we haven't missed.
God. All right, you know what? Here, let's just bring bring her on now.
She's eager to talk, clearly. Yep.
Folks,

Speaker 1 today we have joining us the standard-bearer for all who look to be successful, man or woman, at being a professional, a parent, a partner, a friend, an adult child, a leader, an inspiration, a role model, an icon, and a mogul.

Speaker 1 Okay. She has more beauty, humor, and warmth than one person can use in three lifetimes.
She's also got an Oscar, an Emmy, a Golden Globe, a SAG.

Speaker 1 She's got two teenagers, a smoking husband, a dozen cats, eight pandas, and she speaks every language currently known.

Speaker 1 But all these things together may not be bigger than her lifestyle company that rhymes with soup. Friends, it's Gwyneth Paltrow.
It's Goop. No.
Yeah. It's Gwyneth.

Speaker 1 Hi.

Speaker 1 Hi, guys.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. I thought I was on mute.

Speaker 1 Look at how adorable. Even with headphones on, you're the cutest thing in the world.
Ever. And of course, there are fancy headphones.

Speaker 1 Very nice of you to join us. I want to jump right off to the thing.
You know, I do a lot of deep research on. You look like you're reading off a prompter.
Well, yeah, this is Wikipedia cut and pasted.

Speaker 1 What about studying anthropology at the University of California?

Speaker 1 That sounds.

Speaker 2 That's actually not true.

Speaker 1 Come on. Wikipedia doesn't lie.

Speaker 2 I studied art history at UC Santa Barbara, amongst other things, but then I dropped out.

Speaker 1 Never anthropology.

Speaker 2 No, but I just loved it.

Speaker 2 I liked, you know, Margaret Mead, and I still do. And my mom was,

Speaker 2 I always said to her, I want to be an actress like you. And she said, oh, don't.
You're way too smart.

Speaker 1 Be an anthropologist. Well, now, really quick, your mom for my sister in Wisconsin

Speaker 1 is Blythe Danner. Blithe Danner.
Blithe Danner. Who was actually played Will's mom on the program Will and Grace.

Speaker 1 And so I've known your mom for a long time, and she's one of the greatest actresses, one of the nicest, sweetest people you'll ever meet on the planet. I love her.
I worked with her too.

Speaker 1 I can vouch for that. Yeah.
I did too. She played Christina's mom on Up All Night.
Remember, Sean? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
That's right. So

Speaker 1 we've all worked with your mom. And we get around.
Let's just get it out of the way. We love your mom.
You've worked with your mom. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes. I came out of her vagina and I've worked with her multiple times.
So I can also vouch for her.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 What about when she said you're too smart to be an actress? What

Speaker 1 I haven't heard that before. I've heard like,

Speaker 1 oh, it's not a meritocracy and it's all a bunch of fakes and phonies.

Speaker 1 But that. You heard that when people were talking to you.
You've heard that?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But to jump on that, Jason, because being the only one here out of the bunch of us today who don't have children and forgets along the lines of where Jason is going, why do parents in show business business always try to discourage their children from entering the same business in which they dreamed of being a part of?

Speaker 1 It is amazing. Why is that?

Speaker 2 I think because it's tough. I mean, it's very, very difficult to succeed.
And I think most days it can be very demoralizing.

Speaker 2 And I think as parents, right, you fundamentally want to protect your children from pain and disappointment. And you know firsthand how hard it can be.
And we're successful.

Speaker 2 So, or I used to be before I quit. You're doing okay.

Speaker 1 You're doing okay.

Speaker 1 Wait, you quit? Let's get into that. I mean, you know, you know, she has stepped back.
More or less.

Speaker 2 I haven't fully quit, but it's been a while.

Speaker 1 You've been busy with your very successful business that goes by the name Goop, which has been incredibly successful.

Speaker 1 And I know my friend John Alexander is a painter and lives in New York, and he has his studios in Amaganzett. And you guys had one of your first shops was like on his driveway there.

Speaker 1 And I remember at first he was like, God, the goopies, they're in here and they're taking over my driveway. driveway.
No, no, he was just like, all the young people who worked there.

Speaker 1 And then within like two weeks, he's like, these people are great. I love them and they bring me coffee.
And, you know.

Speaker 1 Now, a lot of people will call you those, those who are invited to be your friend and know you well. We'll call you GP.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that is where, correct me if I'm wrong, the name came from. It's GP, but in the middle there are two O's because somebody told you early on that successful online companies have two O's in them.

Speaker 1 Is that correct? This is a true story. Is that really how you is that true? That's amazing.
Is that great?

Speaker 2 I was trying to figure out what to call it. I didn't want my name in it and I wanted it to sort of maybe be a made-up word or something that was short.

Speaker 2 And I was consulting with an old friend of mine named Peter Arnell, who was like a marketing and advertising genius in New York. And he was trying to help me and he was just like, I got it.
It's goop.

Speaker 2 And I was like, that's terrible. I mean, it's not, I think the original connotation was, it's probably not that delicious delicious sounding.

Speaker 1 Goop. How long are we going to have to wait for Jube, Jason? When is Jube coming?

Speaker 1 We're working on that.

Speaker 1 He's launching our men's. Yeah, there's a men's lifestyle.
Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 let's go. We're making news, Gwyneth.
Let's announce it now. Wills would be whoa.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Speaking of Vaganas, I said to my, I was dropping my son off at school on the west side today, and I said,

Speaker 1 we were in the car, and I go, stop at the stoplight. I wanted to see his reaction.
I go, so, Abe, we just got this time here, you and me in the car. I said, I guess it's time we, he's 10.

Speaker 1 We talk about the birds and the bees and the looks. I just wanted to see, and he just goes like this, no.

Speaker 1 It was a look of disgust, listener. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's like, Dad, I learned it all on Pornhub.

Speaker 1 He's like, I know everything. He's like, Please don't say anything right now.
Please don't say anything more. I know how Eric's like, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 Wait, you didn't drill down on that, pun intended. You didn't say, hey, what, what, tell me what you know.
Tell me how you think it happens. He turns out he knows.

Speaker 1 But I was just going to say, no, it made me think when you said that you came out of your mom's vagina. It just made me think I was having this conversation.

Speaker 1 I didn't get to that, but I was just having a conversation with one of my children this morning about it.

Speaker 1 Gwyneth, do you remember your conversation with both your kids, with Apple and Moses, about birds and bees? Did you ever have it?

Speaker 2 You know. I haven't done it yet with a 14-year-old.

Speaker 2 So at their elementary school here in Los Angeles, where they went, they gave them the most comprehensive sex ed class in the sixth grade that they came home, sixth grade, they came home and they had been taught everything.

Speaker 2 And when I say everything, I mean everything.

Speaker 2 It was wild.

Speaker 1 Our godkids go to the same school or went. Did you feel that it was too early, too late, or right on time?

Speaker 2 I thought it was perfect. What's that?

Speaker 1 12 years old, sixth grade? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 That's pretty right. Well, how did you know that, that, like, did you have them download you on what they

Speaker 2 I mean? My daughter came home with her best friend, Emily, and she was like, they were stunned and they had learned things that they had never fathomed.

Speaker 1 Mom, there's not a stork involved at all. There's no birds.

Speaker 2 No, but they had taught them about venereal disease and all different kinds of sex. Not, you know, it was like very, very comprehensive.
And so they were, they were a bit stunned.

Speaker 1 I tried with my 14-year-old and then

Speaker 1 pardon the term here, but aborted

Speaker 1 when I kind of got off the rails a little bit because I got to the point of explaining. I got right up to ejaculation, and I didn't want to use that word or be any more specific about that moment.

Speaker 1 So I just said that

Speaker 1 the penis is so happy about the connection that it's or some that it screams

Speaker 1 into the woman.

Speaker 2 That's even more terrifying.

Speaker 1 You say, well,

Speaker 1 that's why I pulled the ribcord. And the penis scream,

Speaker 1 I turned up the radio. I want to pull the ripcord.
This is one of the worst. Well, I didn't.
And then the dick barfed.

Speaker 1 That would have been better. That's the boy version.
Jesus Christ, baby. I have girls.
Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I know. Gwyneth, I want to ask you a question about goop.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Please do. Now,

Speaker 1 I've been to the website. It's fantastic.
Thank you. Is the idea

Speaker 1 behind Goop that it's like an Amazon site kind of for women? Because remember, for those who are listening, there's this deli in town called Jerry's Deli.

Speaker 1 And when you go there, you open the menu and there's thousands of things you can, or you can get anything you want at this deli.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of what I thought of when I went to Goop for the first time. I was like, oh, wow, you can get, you literally can get anything.

Speaker 1 She loves that comparison. Jerry is the Jerry.
Jerry's delivering the greatest deli in the world, a female lifestyle. She is.
It is. It is.
Guy Starkman's just elated.

Speaker 2 No, I think, first of all, that's really good feedback because also we've been trying to work

Speaker 2 on

Speaker 2 clarifying the offering a little bit.

Speaker 2 And, you know, when I started, I just was super interested interested in connecting people to interesting things and great doctors or tacos or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 And because I didn't conceive of it as a business when I launched it, and I was talking about a variety of subjects, I kind of had the latitude to go into a lot of different verticals when we started to monetize, right?

Speaker 2 So we could do a men's sweatshirt or a clean deodorant or, you know, stuff to make recipes with. And

Speaker 2 so, yes, I think that kind of the overarching theme is it's we have tools and products and content to help people really optimize their lives

Speaker 2 and i think because it's a lifestyle brand we we can kind of sell a lot but also we don't want it to be overwhelming and confusing so actually we're we're in the process right now of streamlining a little bit has sean's question made you are you gonna have like a conference call after this and

Speaker 1 guys we we need to change our approach no i was gonna say we need better size i was gonna say you know behind behind any brand that you've built is a trust from the consumers.

Speaker 1 And you've built this trust that Gwyneth Peltrow and the brand goop, you can trust that anything you go to get there is going to be fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 You're curating what you think in whatever sort of area, what you think is the best product for this particular need.

Speaker 2 Right. So, and some of those products we make and some of them we buy, like amazing, you know, brands that we find that we fall in love with that adhere to our standards of non-toxic, et cetera.

Speaker 1 And when you started it, where did the idea come from? What was the inspiration?

Speaker 1 And like, were you like, I got to get, like you said, I kind of take a, I need to take a break from acting or whatever and really delve into this?

Speaker 1 Or was it just something that you kind of did on the side that became something?

Speaker 2 You know, it's funny. When I was little, I really, really, really wanted to be an actress.

Speaker 2 And that is because I grew up watching Blythe Danner rehearse Masha and the Three Sisters or Blanche Dubois or all of these like or, you know, Shakespeare in the park.

Speaker 2 Like, I grew up watching this woman fully inhabit herself and her power on stage. And I thought, like, gosh, I want to be like that.

Speaker 2 And so that's what you do in order to, as a woman, you know, especially at that time, you didn't see a lot of, you know, even on Wall Street, like the women who were on Wall Street were sort of approximating a male, you know, that male archetypal thing instead of doing it as a woman.

Speaker 2 And I saw my mother in all of her femininity and talent, like just being incredible. So I thought that's what I wanted to do.
And so that's what I started to do.

Speaker 1 And I nailed it.

Speaker 1 Thank you. To say the least.

Speaker 2 I had a lot of success, but I'm also really a homebody. And I love my family.
And I've had all my best friends either since kindergarten or seventh grade when I moved schools.

Speaker 2 Like I was lonely being, you know, in a hotel room in Toronto, ordering room service.

Speaker 2 And all my friends were, you know, in New York or in Col, you know, know, and I just felt like a little bit of a fish out of water. And so that feeling grew.

Speaker 2 And then once I had my daughter, I was like, I can't, I just can't, I can't do this. Like, I can't leave her for three, four months in a trailer.
I just can't do it. I can't.

Speaker 1 But you did see your mom

Speaker 1 manage

Speaker 1 an ability to take you with her when she was on location, yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I think,

Speaker 2 I think she also gave up a lot of amazing film roles. Like, if I told you guys some of the parts that she passed on, like you would, you wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 It's pretty great.

Speaker 2 It's pretty crazy. I'm sure.
Because of us.

Speaker 2 And then every summer she would go to the Williamstown Theater Festival and she would do one or two plays and we would all go and we would go to camp and we had the best time in the summers doing that.

Speaker 2 And then she would try to do movies that were in LA or TV thing. You know, she was very cognizant of not, you know, going to Europe for four months to film and leaving us at home.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think she did it a couple of times. She did a mini-series once in Germany and the UK, and but then we got to go over there and see her.
But you know how it is.

Speaker 1 It's, um, yeah, if you have little kids, it's hard to go, you know, especially once you guys get into school, too, and you've got a, you've got a social continuity that you want to, you know, I just, yeah, that's something that, uh, I know that Jason, as another person who's got kids that I know, uh, it's, it's something that we're always

Speaker 1 just Jason, I was thinking the other day about when we were like in our early 30s and we were just stuff would happen. We'd like to do whatever because we had no kids, we had no responsibilities.

Speaker 1 And now everything is always seen through the lens of, does it work for my kids? Like, you know, them first. Like somebody, I was recently going to go to Toronto to do this thing.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I can't go right now because I can't go to quarantine. I can't be away from my kids.
And I can't be away for four, or I can't not have the ability to come home on the weekend.

Speaker 1 Like there's no, there's just no way. It's out of the question.
It's a non-starter.

Speaker 2 Can't can't do it next yeah exactly wreck everything so then because of that you kind of felt that being at home you wanted to begin another kind of dream of yours or something that you were drawn to well i was always so passionate about cooking and and traveling and discovering things and when i had done films in far-flung places i had kind of cracked the cities and i had notebooks full of you know i would ask like like when i was shooting the talented mr ripley we were in naples and the hotel concierge i said said, Where's the best place to get pizza?

Speaker 2 And the concierge told me three places. And then I asked the camera truck driver, Where's the best place to get pizza? Totally different answer.

Speaker 2 And that guy's pizza was a million times better. So I was like, tourists are getting hosed by their, you know, concierge.
Like, this isn't the right place to go.

Speaker 2 And so I started, you know, aggregating all that information and then sharing it with my friends. And I just get so much pleasure out of

Speaker 1 is Goop international as well? Like, in other words, like, if I go to peru and i want to know where to get you know a good sweater like is there

Speaker 2 i don't know if we have a i think we have a peru guide it's pretty international there's some there's some areas we haven't covered but it's all the major cities are covered for sure wow do you guys cover like drugs too oh yeah we do psychedelics and absolutely

Speaker 1 for sure wait speaking of which i heard isn't there is it true that there i apologize i have not done great research if i had i would have seen the goop goop show on Netflix, but I hear on that either you take psychedelics or somebody does.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 So one of the episodes was, you know, it's actually a really, really fascinating field that's emerging for trauma, for healing trauma.

Speaker 2 So there's a well-established organization called MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. And they're going through a trial with the FDA right now on with veterans.

Speaker 2 And it's really, really incredible.

Speaker 2 Like there, people are taking MDMA, medical-grade MDMA, or psilocybin, which is mushrooms, and being able to heal incredible deep trauma and being able to get off other antidepressants or feeling less suicidal.

Speaker 2 So this is really going to be the emerging modality.

Speaker 1 I've heard so much about it. Is it micro-dosing or is it controlled full trips?

Speaker 2 So in the case of the MDMA, it's a high dose

Speaker 2 with the practitioner and the therapist there. So microdosing psilocybin has been shown to really help with depression, and that's a microdose.
So people take microdose, you know, and they are

Speaker 2 their outlook on life is really changing. And they're studying that right now as well, which is which is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 I know, I got prescribed glow sticks by my doctor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a different thing. It's a different thing.
And a rave, rave and glow sticks.

Speaker 1 But it does, I do know a couple people who are microdosing, and it seems to have had really good effects.

Speaker 1 I guess they've been doing it for a while now, and they talk about the fact that they're not, they don't feel high at all.

Speaker 1 They don't feel out of it, but they just don't, they were able to get off other prescription meds,

Speaker 1 which I think is really the direction we should be going in. And did you do this on the show, Gwyneth?

Speaker 2 I did not, but some of my team did. I did not.
But on one episode,

Speaker 2 the psychedelics episode, some of our team from Goop went to Jamaica and did psilocybin.

Speaker 1 Have not yet returned, I heard.

Speaker 2 No, they've not yet returned.

Speaker 1 Cannot be found.

Speaker 1 You said tried psilocybin. You mean they just took shrooms?

Speaker 2 They took shrooms. That's right.
But in a therapeutic setting.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah, because I don't want to puke.
I don't want to like get

Speaker 1 what's a therapeutic setting. Pretty much.

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Speaker 1 All right, now let's say Apple comes to you and she says she wants to be an actress, or maybe she is already. I apologize.
What do you say to that?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I think parenting is such an interesting exploration of your own projections and judgments and et cetera, right?

Speaker 2 So I think my goal with both my children all the time is to try to create an environment where they feel that they are accepted for who they are.

Speaker 2 And so I try not to steer them towards or away from anything because I think implicit in in that is I'm judging you for your choice.

Speaker 1 That's a mistake.

Speaker 1 He heard judgment and he knew it was a negative. Yeah, yeah.
They're not going to have any fear of anything. Way to go.

Speaker 1 Fear is such a.

Speaker 1 But obviously she would look at your experience and go, well, this is, this would be safe. I've got a great example of success in this.
And

Speaker 1 I can go. And a lot of times that's kind of just the key.
If you just, if you don't have a barrier in front of it and you feel somewhat confident,

Speaker 1 nine times out of ten, you're going to to land on something pretty great.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think she'll be whatever she wants to be and hopefully she'll, you know, I hope she's polite and happy and as normal as possible and

Speaker 2 that she's self-aware and, you know, all those kinds of things. And if she wants to act, then I'll totally support that.

Speaker 1 Your kids are starting to get to that age of college, right? And starting to think about like, well,

Speaker 2 she's almost 17.

Speaker 1 I'm sure she's like, that is a comedy-sized mug, by the way.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Can I get that on the website? That is a good-looking coffee.
That is a great mug. That is really good.

Speaker 2 Actually, we don't sell these mugs.

Speaker 1 Yet. Yet.
Yet.

Speaker 1 What about, I mean, I'm going to be such a mess when my kids go off to college. I'm not going to be good at being an empty nester at all.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I'm not sure what I want to do.
I'll be a wreck. Why don't we all just go? I can tell you what you're going to do.
What's that?

Speaker 1 Probably play golf like one more day a week than you already do. And sit where you're sitting.

Speaker 1 Jason's wife told me recently, she told me, because I told Jason, I talked to Jason's wife a lot on the phone. In fact, we.
Yeah, no. Amanda and I FaceTime a lot.

Speaker 1 You FaceTime a little bit more than I think is appropriate. Why don't you just call her? You don't need to be staring at each other when you're discussing things.
We like to read.

Speaker 1 We're trying to read each other.

Speaker 1 It's called human connection, you weirdo. Pick it up in the voice instead.
So she said, she said, she goes, I don't mind that you guys are playing so much golf, but I don't want him to get soft.

Speaker 1 And I was like, too late. You know, I mean, let's be real.

Speaker 1 The golf mod. Yeah, we got the golf thing.
But having the kids go away, that is something that you're staring down the barrel of in the next couple of years, right? Sorry, I don't want to cause it.

Speaker 2 No, it's okay. If I cry for you.

Speaker 1 We'd love to get you crying. I don't think we've had a crying guest.
God, that would be great. Yeah, guys, let's work on that.
Keep going. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 We know she's won an Academy Award, amongst other things. We know you could cry, but we want real

Speaker 1 based on your own life tears, if that's okay. Do you have a strategy for the empty nest thing? Have you decided what you're going to do about it? This is good.
Keep going. Psilocybin.

Speaker 1 A lot of psilocybin. Psilocybin.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do a lot of psilocybin.

Speaker 2 You know what I think the strategy might be is

Speaker 2 maybe move to a different house.

Speaker 1 Like just outside the university?

Speaker 2 Exactly. Like I could go pretty near where she's going to go to college and then I don't have to walk by an empty bedroom or anything like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Move into like a two-bedroom apartment.

Speaker 2 I'm considering that.

Speaker 1 You know what's so funny?

Speaker 1 When I was in college, I used to call my mom at like one or two in the morning because I had no consideration for her sleep pattern.

Speaker 1 And every time she would answer the phone, she'd go, Hello, hello, hello.

Speaker 1 And I'd go, Mom, are you sleeping? No, I'm up. I'm up.
What's up? I'm up. I was like, well, it's not a sign of weakness if you're sleeping.
Just call me back.

Speaker 1 Like, she, like, she was like, wanted to be

Speaker 1 like the best, perfect mom everywhere all the time. And I was such an asshole for calling her at two in the morning.
But I was like, well, she liked to keep an eye on you, dude. Come on.

Speaker 1 Gwyneth, my mom grew up with one eye, so that was that joke.

Speaker 1 You know, Gwyneth, I'm looking at you drinking that coffee. It makes me think you're probably the one person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. The one person I know that might not have a vice.
Not tea? Wait, wait, wait, do you have a vice? It's like a match.

Speaker 1 You're going to guess what the vice is, or what's in the

Speaker 1 I'm trying to guess what she's drinking. Oh, I know what it is.
It is, um, it is, it's green tea. No, she said it's not tea.
Oh, it's not tea. Um, it's yerba mate.
No, it's um fucking

Speaker 1 it's hot, hot, hot water and lemon with a with a sneeze of honey. You are maxing out what we know about.
It's way goofier.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's goofier than it is.

Speaker 1 It's a mushroom.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 mushroom tea, not the psilocybin stuff.

Speaker 2 Reishi, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 No, hey, no, it's it's like root, root of something. It's like fucking

Speaker 1 root of psilocybin. It's eye of newt, wing of bat.
Nail it. DMT.
Nailed it. It's pure DMT.

Speaker 2 It's bone broth.

Speaker 1 Of course, it's bone broth. What kind of bone broth? Are Are you being serious? Is it really bone broth? I mean, what kind of bone? Skeleton.

Speaker 1 Human bone? Yes. Yes.
Human bone broth.

Speaker 1 That's why she looks so good, guys. She's.
Coop is extreme. We just confirmed QAnon that we really.
Exactly. That's what I was going to say this ain't.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 it's chicken broth.

Speaker 1 It's bone broth. But we used to, that's what we used to call it when you have too many dudes in a hot tub.
We'd call it bone broth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or last Saturday, in my case.

Speaker 1 What about a vice, Gwyneth? I want to know, do you have one? Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I used to have many more vices. Like I really loved cigarettes.

Speaker 1 Like loved. Me too.

Speaker 2 Loved. I miss it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you still miss it?

Speaker 2 I still.

Speaker 1 Every once in a while.

Speaker 2 Every once in a while. I mean, I haven't smoked in a really long time now, but every once in a while.

Speaker 1 You haven't had one?

Speaker 2 You know, I quit my like pack a day habit when I was probably 24 years old. And then I didn't smoke for a long, long time.

Speaker 2 And then I did a movie called The Royal Tenon Bombs, where I had to smoke in the movie. And I was like, oh, this is quite nice.
And then I would smoke a little bit. And then I stopped.

Speaker 2 And then I did the talented Mr. Ripley, where I had to smoke.
So I would maybe, you know,

Speaker 2 I had a long time of not smoking. And then maybe having one every once in a while.
And then I had my kids and didn't smoke forever.

Speaker 2 And then, and then maybe for a couple years after that, maybe one at a party, like one a year or something like that.

Speaker 1 That wouldn't get you nauseous?

Speaker 2 No, no, I loved it. But

Speaker 2 then now I haven't smoked in years and

Speaker 2 I do miss it because I just, you know, I think it's our generation too, right? It was like, it somehow didn't fully sink in how bad for us it was. And it was a social, right? It's a social.

Speaker 2 And it was so, I don't know, I was like it first thing in the morning with a cup of coffee and a cigarette, which is so gross, by the way.

Speaker 1 Like that is gross. Well, I guess, I guess it's gross.
Let me just say this. Here's a little update.
I'm going to give you guys a little spoiler alert. Smoking, still cool.

Speaker 1 Next subject.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, you know, I used to be like, I used to smoke a lot. I don't smoke that much anymore, but I do.
Oh, I don't know about that. Okay, well.

Speaker 1 Every time I chat with Will, like on a FaceTime or something, and he has a cigarette, I always start with, oh, good. You're still smoking? Good.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 1 That's the only reason I was calling. Right.

Speaker 2 But I like alcohol, but also I've been on this, like, you know, I've been super, I don't know, I've been on a bit of a clean out since basically during quarantine, I was drinking seven nights a week and making pasta and eating bread.

Speaker 2 Like I went totally off the rails. I mean, who drinks multiple drinks seven nights a week? Like that's not healthy.

Speaker 1 Gwyneth Paltrow does. I know.
During quarantine. But no wait, what does this look like? Are we talking about like a like a like a nice wine or are you just going for the cheap hard stuff?

Speaker 2 Whiskey, like I love whiskey. So I would have like, and I make this fantastic drink called a Buster Paltrow, which I named after my grandfather who loved whiskey sours.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's this great quinoa whiskey from this distillery in Tennessee with maple syrup and lemon juice, and it's just heaven.

Speaker 2 And I would like have two of those every night of quarantine, basically. Well, who knew?

Speaker 1 Nobody knew what was happening. You were living your best life.

Speaker 2 I know, but it was too much.

Speaker 1 I was just a lot of time with Dandez. If you're going to spend time with Dan D's, you're going to have a lot of cocktails.

Speaker 1 By the way, I make Dan Deez a Buster Paltra every Sunday, so he knows exactly what i'm talking about yeah um but wait so two drink what is what do two drinks do to you are you do you remember going to bed every night of course i'm not like blackout but but some people their tolerance is low i guess you're doing it every night so wait would three or four get you into a blackout

Speaker 2 i don't that's too much i wouldn't

Speaker 1 i need to know what's going to get you

Speaker 1 yeah why do you need to know yeah why do you need to know it sounds it sounds like i'm trying to know uh because i'm i'm fascinated with people's tolerance you know some people they can just drink drink or smoke a bunch of weed.

Speaker 1 It never affects them. And then other people, they just get around it and they get

Speaker 1 that. Yeah, I mean, you seem like we've met a few times, and you're always so wonderful, and warm, and kind, and like inviting, and in control, and calm, and

Speaker 1 have a light around you. And is that like what makes you fall apart? Like, I can't imagine you falling apart at the same time.

Speaker 2 I do. I fall, you know what? What makes me fall apart the most is,

Speaker 2 I mean, I think I'm not great at taking kind of emotional inventory all the time. I think I'm a good white knuckler.
Like, I'm like, I can fucking do it. I can get through it.

Speaker 2 Like, I can, you know, and then, so there will be a cumulative effect there where I'm like, I.

Speaker 1 Do you snap at that moment? Yeah, I can't see you getting mad. Like, I'll cry.

Speaker 2 I'm not a mad, like, I'm, I'll be passive aggressive, or I'll be like, you know, my kids will come into the kitchen in the middle of it, and I'll be like, I'm on a phone call, guys.

Speaker 2 Like, do you see, you know what I mean? So, I'll be a little short-tempered.

Speaker 1 Monster.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 but I'm not, I don't snap. Like, I don't yell.
I'm never, I turn into like the waspy side of me. I'm half Jewish and half.
I go wasp. I go, like, cold, internal.
I just like shut down.

Speaker 2 No, no anger, no outbursts.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen Jason if somebody forgets to charge his Tesla? Have you ever seen that?

Speaker 1 That wasn't a high point for me.

Speaker 1 It was after a really bad round of games. You want to run.
You want to run.

Speaker 1 Wait, now,

Speaker 1 if you don't snap, does that mean that your kids kind of know that

Speaker 1 push comes to shove, we're going to,

Speaker 1 we need not worry about mom. Like, are they, I feel like kids might need to be afraid of consequences a little bit.
I mean, are you a pushover?

Speaker 2 No, not at all. And they know, I think they're recalibrated, right?

Speaker 2 And I i think every kid is really smart at understanding what their parents triggers are and the moods are and they're so tuned into us i think you know my they said they said to me the other day actually that i'm they're like you can be so scary and because you're quiet

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 before the storm yeah yeah but i don't i didn't no what about your what about your dude is he the is he the disciplinarian in the house i mean Our approach is like, be super honest, super transparent with the kids always.

Speaker 2 And like, if something's and also now they're all 15, 16, and 17, we have four together.

Speaker 2 So they're, they're pretty well who they are.

Speaker 2 And there's not a lot of like deeply corrective stuff. You know, I think you want to continue to guide your kids a little bit in towards the right end.

Speaker 2 And I always think about like, who are we trying to put into the world when they're 18 and come at it from that point of view as opposed to being reactive?

Speaker 2 Like I think our parents' generation really parented out of instinct, and I'm not sure that's the best way always.

Speaker 2 I think there could be, you know, it might, it might behoove our children to have, for us to have some strategy and like big picture thinking around how to raise kids.

Speaker 1 It's funny. My parents came from the generation, I'm Canadian, but also very

Speaker 1 fairly, I guess, WASP-I background. And they would say, it was a lot more of like, there are things you should and shouldn't do.
You should be this way and you should not be this way.

Speaker 1 And it was like, well, what does that mean? And it wasn't tailored to your experience. It was, no, this is the way you behave and this is not the way you behave.

Speaker 1 And there were just absolutes in that way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it doesn't allow for a lot of

Speaker 1 mistakes. Well, yeah, first of all, it doesn't allow for a lot of mistakes, but it also doesn't, it doesn't accommodate, you know, people's or kids' personalities or what they're going through.

Speaker 1 And obviously that sort of shifted. I think that's a generational thing.

Speaker 2 Sort of, or the criteria has changed, right? It's like

Speaker 2 now we're so helpful and we want to remove all their obstacles. And I'm not sure that the outcome of that is so great either.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So it's tough to try to, because you have that, it sounds like, well, I certainly have that

Speaker 1 instilled to me. And I know that there are parts of that that aren't necessarily right,

Speaker 1 but there are other parts of it that are good in terms of like, how do you become a member of society, a part of the greater good?

Speaker 1 I mean, again, this might be a Canadian idea, but this idea that we all have to contribute to this thing. And so there are things that we have to do that aren't necessarily things that you want to do.

Speaker 1 So, you want, like, like, you got to pass the puck. You might want to shoot it, but you're saying,

Speaker 1 there's always that.

Speaker 2 But I think you can do that. Like, you can explain, hey, this is why you might want to pass the puck, but without the shame that goes,

Speaker 1 I don't even know what that means. No, I just love you.
You said it. It's Canadian parenting.
It's like a hockey thing. It's, I'm okay, fine.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 without shaming the child for the fact, you know, you know, good people pass the puck. Like, that is not the message that you want.

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, we live in a society where teamwork is a great thing and this is totally normal.

Speaker 2 It might not be your instinct, but you'll find if you do pass the puck, it's going to, you know, cultivate camaraderie and teamwork. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 There's a way to do it, I think, that's not like you are a bad person for not passing the puck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you find them more advanced than you were at that age?

Speaker 2 Oh, beyond. They run circles.
They run circles around me now. I'm 48.
Like, there's so much.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I can't believe you just said you're, I got to hang on a second.
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Speaker 1 I want to ask a question about for all the fans, including me, of your acting, which I know we kind of touched on. Sure.
You had said at somewhere,

Speaker 1 I forgot how you said it. It was so

Speaker 1 well. You'd like to abandon acting.
She's not busy. She only has a huge corporation to run.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really drag it out. Get your thoughts together and then

Speaker 1 sound it out.

Speaker 1 Have you officially retired? Or is there something we can look forward to? Or for the people that miss you seeing you on screen,

Speaker 1 would you only agree to something that's in town to film or stuff like that?

Speaker 2 I probably wouldn't.

Speaker 2 I mean, the last time I starred in a movie, I've done good supporting parts in Iron Man, as you said, or this movie, Country Strong, that I did, you know, that was only four weeks of shooting like 10 years ago.

Speaker 2 The last time I starred in a movie, I was pregnant with my daughter.

Speaker 2 So if my son goes to college and I feel the calling to do it, I think I would do it then.

Speaker 2 And in the meantime, well, we're doing another season of the Goop Lab on Netflix, which will come out next year. That's cool.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, if my husband wants me to do something that he's doing, I would probably do that.

Speaker 1 Because you're submissive and subservient to your man. We got it.
We're going to be right back after these messages. No, we're not going to come back.
If that's your question, we will never come back.

Speaker 1 If that's your actual question, we'll never come back. Just from a fan perspective, it's just, I want to see you do more.
It's just, you're so talented.

Speaker 2 I'm so terrible.

Speaker 2 It's not my natural comfort. Like, I don't.
I know what you mean. I don't love it.
I don't like being famous. I don't like,

Speaker 1 it does seem like you, you do enjoy the

Speaker 1 position and the responsibility of leadership.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes, that's true.
And I acknowledge that my fame has given me that platform. Like that's the platform from which I built this thing.

Speaker 2 So I'm not, you know, I'm not at all in any way minimizing the importance of it or value of it.

Speaker 1 But you've got that.

Speaker 1 But having said that, you also earned that because of your work. So there's nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about.

Speaker 1 Like you earned that and it opened those doors in the same way that it does for lots of people in business, for whatever it is they've come from. So there's no shame in that.

Speaker 1 You earned it in that sense. And also I was going to think, how funny is it, or unexpected rather, that you started this company because you had all these ideas, these sort of creative ideas of what.

Speaker 1 things that you want, products that you wanted to bring to market or things that you wanted to help people with in certain areas.

Speaker 1 And then as a result of that, you actually have to get into the business side of it and be having all these calls about profit and loss and I'm sure employees and all this kind of shit.

Speaker 1 Interesting, great, not great, could do without it?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 so interesting, so expanding, so hard, so educational, so inspiring. You know, just a host of feelings and

Speaker 2 experiences that I just can't imagine. You know, all founders have that in common.

Speaker 2 Like, there's, it's, it's a very strange thing to pour yourself into something like that and then create a group of people to help you do that.

Speaker 2 And I've just, you know, for me, it's like I love to learn. And so I've never learned more in trying to figure out how to do this job.

Speaker 1 I bet you would say no if I said, would you ever think about going into politics?

Speaker 1 But if a gun was to your head and you had to be the president of the United States, do you think, I mean, like, there's no choice. You have to,

Speaker 1 it's done. Do you think that you would would figure out how to enjoy it and be good at it for

Speaker 1 everyone in the country,

Speaker 1 including those that you have absolutely no agreement with as far as politics? Because I guess that, I mean, that would be the ideal president, right?

Speaker 1 The president for everybody and figuring out how to balance everything and compromise and whatnot.

Speaker 2 I think I would be most interested in the people that I don't agree with. And I think you, I would learn the most from those people.

Speaker 1 I disagree.

Speaker 2 I think that when

Speaker 2 when you get rhetoric out of the way you know and you get this sort of like soapbox righteous didactic stuff out of the way you're you're you're looking at a human being who is a thinking feeling human being who has formed opinions based on a number of set of circumstances and criteria and and their chosen information and like how do you There's so much more for us to learn through connection and understanding than anything else.

Speaker 2 So I think I would be a terrible president because I don't remember American history whatsoever.

Speaker 2 But if I was forced to, that would be my approach.

Speaker 1 I bet that would be successful because we're going to force you.

Speaker 1 So the rest of your day today, you have Goop duties, parent duties, partner duties, what? I have

Speaker 2 So we implemented a no meetings Friday at Goop, which is fantastic. You do that too.
We just thought of that. It's so great.
So everybody can just kind of, so I have a lot of work to catch up on.

Speaker 2 We just came off of off-site last week and I have some planning and road mapping to do. And then

Speaker 2 I am going to do that and pick up my son from school. He's just gone back, which is great.
And then I'll...

Speaker 1 Is there cooking tonight?

Speaker 2 Actually, tonight there's no cooking. My husband and I are going, we're going out to Malibu to eat at one of our favorite restaurants.

Speaker 1 Nice. God, I haven't been to a restaurant in so long.
I miss it.

Speaker 2 It's so good. It's a place.
I don't know if you like oysters and stuff, but it's like an oyster bar and lobster rolls and cheese butters.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. So good.
Sounds terrible. And you eat outside.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love it. Oh, God.
Sounds great. And a couple drinks.
You're going to have a couple of cocktails. Why not?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I've been really off the sauce, but

Speaker 2 I've been

Speaker 2 having a little bit here and there. But so maybe tonight.

Speaker 1 Maybe tonight you're going to release the hounds. You're going to have a little bit of whiskey and some oysters.
Sounds like a pretty long night for you tonight. Might want to sleep in tomorrow.

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Speaker 2 our face scrub is unisex it is and you should get it it's called goop glow micro germ i'll use a woman i i have two older sisters i used to use their stuff all the time it's for it's for everybody it's not overly

Speaker 2 femininely fragrant it's for men and women i'll send you some will all right i'm sorry i'll get your address from danny Dee's and I'll send you a

Speaker 2 sign. I'll send you guys all some goop.

Speaker 1 We're going to hold you to that.

Speaker 1 I need some. Oh, we ordered some food off the goop site the other night and loved it.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Loved it.

Speaker 2 We're excited about that and so

Speaker 2 excited that our penises are screaming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to yell in the vagina. Lots of vaginas.

Speaker 1 If you ever need anybody for a sex ed talk, you know, Jason's your guy. I know, exactly.

Speaker 2 Where were you, Jason?

Speaker 1 Where were you gosh

Speaker 2 um thank you very very nice of you to join us you guys are so great what a fun when did you start doing this

Speaker 1 you don't even know at a board a year ago and why for no reason and we wanted to talk we have no lives okay yeah

Speaker 1 honestly and you should do one do a goop chat you're gonna say is there a format no no is there like

Speaker 1 need a wikipedia and uh and a and an internet service you can attest to this too you can tell our listener that we don't have any format, that we just start rolling. There's no, right?

Speaker 1 There's no preamble.

Speaker 2 That's great. That's fine.
But I was just wondering, is there like a larger thesis around like

Speaker 2 why or what you're trying to.

Speaker 1 There's no theme, there's no goal.

Speaker 2 Okay, great. Well, it's really fun.

Speaker 1 I've been winging it since 1970. Why would I start planning now?

Speaker 1 Thank you for lending some smarts to us today.

Speaker 1 Such a pleasure. Enjoy the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 You guys are awesome.

Speaker 2 Thank Thank you so much. This is so great.

Speaker 1 What fun.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. Thanks, Glenn.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye.
Bye.

Speaker 1 She's like a warm

Speaker 1 cozy blanket you want on you all the time. Yeah, like a warm, what kind of drink would she be if she was, I guess, like a hot chocolate? No.
Hot toddy, man. Something more comforting and soothing.

Speaker 1 Bone broth, like a hot broth. Like a bone broth.
Bone broth. Let me just say this.
Let me just say that. I don't mean to be too indelicate,

Speaker 1 but I've only met her a handful of times, and I I have worked with her mom who I whom I adore

Speaker 1 and I just thought she was awesome she was so yeah that's what I'm saying when I said in the middle I was like you're so chill and down to earth and like together I know I got a real crush on her now oh did it start just now welcome to the earth yeah it did it did it just started I mean I I never realized and then just talking to her I've got a yeah I think Sean's gonna kick Scotty out today I think so Sean you've got a crush

Speaker 1 she confuses a little bit right she confuses me wait Sean be hang on Sean were you confused I was a little confused I I was

Speaker 1 found her very attractive, and I liked the little black top she had on. Terrific.
It's okay to say top, right? Yep. With the poofy shoulders.
Yeah, the poofy shoulders. The short sleeves.

Speaker 1 The glasses and the blowout.

Speaker 1 Listener, you missed it. But boy, is she not comfortable in her skin? Or what she is? She's so comfortable in her.
She is

Speaker 1 so comfortable in her radiant skin.

Speaker 1 In her well-hydrated

Speaker 1 glowing. How great does she? And by the way, this is going to be people are going to be like, well, this is misogynistic.
No, it's not. I mean, any person, any human, I would say they look great.

Speaker 1 She looks great. She looks fabulous.
Exactly. And she's got the brains and everything.
It's okay to compliment somebody on their looks. You guys look decent.
You know what I mean? Not terrible.

Speaker 1 I can say that. Not terrible.
I think I look pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, if she didn't flip you, Sean, maybe she at least made you

Speaker 1 smart.

Speaker 1 Smart.

Speaker 1 Less.

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