LEGEND: La Llorona

You hear a lot of heartbreaking stories when you work in true crime.

A lot of things that keep you up at night wondering how someone could do something so horrible.

What went wrong along the way.

But the question I sometimes find myself asking is: what happens to them next?

And I'm not just talking about a prison sentence or rehabilitation programs, I'm talking about the afterlife.

Do remorse, and guilt, and shame follow someone?

Can their souls be trapped here in perpetuity to relive the consequences of their decisions forever?

This is where my mind went when I learned the story of La Lerona.

See, there's a legend in Mexican folklore, one about a woman who drowned her children after finding out her husband was unfaithful.

But she's not just trapped here to suffer her own fate.

Apparently she wants you to suffer with her.

And God speed to anyone who crosses her path, because those those who've heard her siren-like cries have found themselves suffering terrible luck and, in some cases, tragic deaths of their own.

Which is why La Yorona might be more than just a ghost story, she might be a cautionary tale.

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And today we're talking about one of the most famous legends from Mexican folklore, the weeping woman known as La Yorona.

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As a kid, the world can feel so magical and so scary at the same time.

Like it's full of all these mystical, legendary creatures that will reward you if you're good or punish you if you're bad.

You know, behave or Santa Claus won't bring you any Christmas presents, eat your vegetables or the boogeyman will come for you in the night.

Or for me, it was the candyman.

I remember my friends would try to get me to stand in front of a mirror and say his name five times.

And I was like, nope, no freaking way.

I am not doing that.

But for misbehaving children growing up in Latin America, there's one legend that stands out from all the rest.

Almost every family knows about her and everyone agrees she's terrifying no matter how old you are.

And her name is La Yorona, which in English literally translates to the weeping woman.

She's said to dress in either all white or all black, and she wears a reboso, which is a scarf-like garment almost like a shawl, that's very popular in Mexican culture.

But if you get a good look at the weeping woman from behind, you might notice something under her dress and scarf, something jagged and bumpy sticking out of her back.

Legend has it, those are the bones of La Yorona's victims fused into her spine.

And that she wanders around shouting in Spanish, saying things like, Mi yos, mi hijos, don de están mi yjos, or my sons, my sons, where are my sons?

It's so creepy and eerie, but it makes sense when we dive into legends about who she is and where she comes from.

And yes, that's legends, plural.

Because while there are a lot of different accounts about how the weeping woman got her start, there's some common themes in each origin story.

One story about La Yorona almost reads like a fairy tale, except for when you get to the ending, of course.

We don't know when it takes place or where, aside from the fact that it was in Mexico a very long, long time ago.

In this story, La Horona began her life as a woman named Maria.

She was a married mother of two, and and she was said to be the most beautiful woman in her entire village.

Men would flock to her, so she was used to getting that constant attention from them.

She enjoyed it so much that she kept dating different guys even after she was married.

One day while her husband was away, she sent her two sons outside to play while she met up with a secret lover.

Maria was completely distracted with her partner, and it was during that time her boys ran off to a nearby river.

No one was watching when they fell into the water and tragically, both boys drowned.

Once her lover left, Maria opened the door to call her boys home for dinner.

When neither one came running back, she began to panic.

Maria started searching everywhere for them, her yard, the neighbor's house, literally all over her town.

But there was no sign of them.

And all Maria knew for sure was that something terrible must have happened.

She was so panicked, so devastated that she burst into tears and began screaming, my sons, my sons, where are my sons?

And she never stopped crying or searching.

To this day, it's said that she still roams the earth mourning her loss.

And as legend has it, If she sees any children who remind her of her deceased sons, she actually kidnaps them.

Even more terrifying, if a child's smile or eyes or dimples resemble her son's features, it's said that she'll cut off just that body part, leaving her victim permanently disfigured.

As disturbing as that account is, it's just one version of La Horono's origin story.

In other variations, She's a lot more complicit in her children's deaths.

See, there are a lot of narratives where Maria is faithful to her husband.

She never cheats on him, not even once.

But he's not a good partner to her.

And depending on the source, he's either extremely abusive or he has multiple affairs or he neglects her.

So at one point, Maria decides she's had enough.

She wants to hurt her husband the same way he's hurt her.

And she believes the best way to do that is by taking away the thing that he loves the most, his children.

But she doesn't think it's enough to pack up and disappear with him in the middle of the night.

She wants to do something more permanent.

So instead, in a fit of fury, she murders her kids.

A lot of accounts say that she drowned them and other versions say that she actually fed them to the pigs.

But eventually, Maria snaps back to her senses.

She realizes that she's done something so unforgivable that she can't live with the guilt.

So she decides her only choice is to die by suicide.

After she passes, Maria is said to go to heaven, or at least she makes it to the pearly gates just outside of paradise.

But she can't get through them.

The stain on her soul is too dark.

It's something that she can never get past.

And since she can't move on to the afterlife, Maria comes back to Earth instead, a vengeful spirit who to this day can never rest.

She's cursed to keep killing for all of eternity.

As far as that version goes, Maria doesn't limit herself to attacking and killing children.

She also targets men because of course they remind her of her cruel husband.

A cruel husband who also appears appears in another version of the story.

In this one, it's said that La Yorona's original name is Luisa, and she's a poor but very beautiful young woman living in the 1600s.

Luisa falls for a rich man who gives her everything she could ever want.

A beautiful house, fancy clothes, good food to eat.

There's just one problem.

The man won't marry her because she's a peasant.

Well, even though they're not officially husband and wife, Luisa and the rich man make a good life for themselves.

They end up having three children together.

They seem really happy and really in love.

But the man's loyalties are divided.

He wants to be with Luisa and keep her happy, of course.

But he also has parents who are pressuring him to marry someone within their class.

So eventually, he chooses the latter.

He abandons Luisa and their children.

They all have to move out of his fancy house and figure out how they're going to support themselves.

And just like in the last story, Louisa decides to get back at her former lover by killing their children.

While they're sleeping in their beds, she stabs them with a dagger one by one.

But as soon as her children have passed, Grief and regret wash completely over Louisa.

Horrified by what she's done, she runs out into the street, screaming and crying.

And people see her white dress is covered in blood.

And right away, they know something horrible has happened.

It doesn't take long for the villagers to find the children's bodies and realize Louisa is a murderer.

And not long after, she was executed for her crimes.

But Luisa's spirit sticks around.

haunting the city forevermore.

People see her wandering the streets, but only only when they're deserted or late at night.

And if anyone lets her get too close or talks with her, they turn up dead.

So there are varying accounts and some inconsistencies as to how La Lorona got her start.

And maybe this is because the Aztec people who were indigenous to Mexico were telling stories about La Lorona even before Europeans arrived on their shores.

In those stories, a crying woman wandered through the town yelling that her children were in danger.

But anyone who heard these cries knew to get the heck out of Dodge, because according to them, La Yorona only appeared before disasters.

Though once Spanish settlers arrived, the stories about the weeping woman evolved.

and they incorporated more European influences and different communities within Latin America ended up with different versions.

But there are also some details that stay the same in each retelling.

The woman is always a mother with more than one child, and they die because of her sins, either because she neglects them to have an affair or because she kills them herself.

Afterward, her guilt turns into an immortal inhuman creature.

One that's out for blood.

Rumor has it, you can tell if La Lorona is close because any nearby dogs will start to howl.

And I'm not talking any howl.

They go off.

And of course, if you see a woman dressed in all white with a riboso over her face, do not talk to her.

If you want extra protection from her, it's said that burning eucalyptus or sage right at sunset is said to help get rid of the ghost and negative spirits, including La Yorona.

And I absolutely believe in this as well because we were raised with a mother who believed in sage and spiritual shamans coming in to help cleanse the house or the person, you know, all of the things.

But if you're listening and you're thinking to hell with all of these tips that you don't need them, well, you might want to think again because there's evidence to suggest La Yorona isn't just a figment from some ghost story.

She could actually be real.

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There are plenty of eyewitnesses who've claimed to have an encounter with La Yorona, including one man who looked her in the eyes and paid the price with his life.

So we're going to take you back in time to November 9th of 1906, when a Washington, DC-based newspaper publishes an article.

It's about an incident in a Mexican town, though the article doesn't say exactly where or when.

Still, The story goes that one night, a police officer is making his rounds when he sees a woman dressed all in white.

Her reboso is covering her face, so the officer can't tell what she looks like, but he still stops to flirt with her anyway.

And why, nobody knows, but it must have gone well because soon he's begging the woman to take her rebozo off so he can look her in the eyes.

And eventually, the woman gives in.

She removes her shawl, and right away, the police officer regrets ever saying anything because this woman does not have a normal human face.

She has a bare skull with no flesh.

While the officer stares at her in horror, the skull-faced woman exhales this icy cold breath right in his face.

The police officer is so stunned by the whole encounter, He literally just faints right there on the spot.

And when he wakes up, there's no sign of the woman.

But the officer knows that he wasn't dreaming because he's still jittery, sick to his stomach even, and shaken to his core.

Eventually, he goes back to his supervisors and he tells them exactly what happened.

And while you might imagine them laughing the whole thing off, that's actually not the case.

The officials take his account very seriously.

But here's what's really spooky.

The officer supposedly never recovers from that fainting spell.

It seems like the encounter actually had a lasting, deadly effect on him, because not long after sharing his story, the police officer dies.

Now, that newspaper article doesn't say how he died, but it does refer to the lady he encountered as La Yorona.

However, I will say that this story was passed around a few times before it made it to that paper.

So it's very possible some details got added or exaggerated in the game of telephone, meaning take it with a grain of salt.

That's not the only Layorona sighting to make it into the papers.

That same year, we're talking 1906, another write-up appears in Washington, D.C.'s Evening Star.

Again, it doesn't say exactly when or where this happened, but apparently a woman was seen wandering around another Mexican town, possibly Mexico City.

She had white clothing and a white reboso, and she was always crying and screaming, looking for her children.

Somewhere along the way, someone saw this woman and wanted to help.

So they pulled her aside to ask what was wrong.

But rather than answer, the woman in white simply lifted her reboso.

And once again, she didn't have a face underneath.

She only had a skull.

Then she breathed on them.

It was so icy cold that the person in front of her ended up freezing to death, this time right on the spot.

And this was only the first of many times this happened in that area, with the woman in white taking multiple victims.

Until finally, the local papers in Mexico printed what were essentially warnings.

telling people to stay away from this mysterious and deadly woman.

And just a few years later, in August of 1914, another article ran, this time in San Bernardino, California's The Evening Index.

Their news story came from the Mexican-American residence of West Chino, which is about an hour outside of Los Angeles.

And according to that article, there had been rumors going around for years about people seeing La Horona in the area.

She was said to wander West Chino's streets at night wailing.

But the best account might just come from the evening of Sunday, August 30th, 1914.

That night, a man named Amagon Moreno was out on the town visiting some friends.

His wife was at home by herself when suddenly she began feeling ill.

She wanted her husband to come home and be by her side, but since these are the days before most people had telephones, she had no way of reaching him.

The good news was Amagon's parents and siblings lived right around the corner.

Somehow, they found out his wife wasn't feeling well, so they sent Amagon's brother Cleophys into town to find him and bring him home.

But before Cleophys can hit the streets, his dad pulls him aside and he tells him something really weird.

He has a gut feeling that something bad is going to happen that night.

So he urges Cleophys to be careful.

Cleophys takes the warning seriously and he grabs a gun for protection before walking out the door.

A few hours go by and Cleophas spends the night searching for his brother all over town.

He's stopping at friends' houses, restaurants, bars, basically anywhere he can think of.

But when midnight hits and there's still no sign of his brother, Cleophas is ready to go home.

He's on the outskirts of town by this point on a dark, deserted road that's lined with cornfields.

So there's no reason for Cleophys to expect anyone to be here at this time of night.

But then he hears footsteps behind him.

He turns around and that's when he sees a woman following him.

Unlike a lot of other reports, this time she's dressed head to toe in black and she still has a reboso over her head.

It covers her entire face except for her eyes, which are glowing in the moonlight.

But Cleophas knows right away exactly who this woman is.

It's La Jorona.

His first thought is he still has time to run away.

So he turns his back on her, but that's when she lets out a blood-curdling shriek.

It terrifies Cleophas so much that he screams right back at her.

But this only seems to annoy the weeping woman because she charges at Cleophas and in self-defense, he fires his gun.

He's too panicked to wait and see if he hit her or not.

So instead, Cleophas breaks into a sprint.

But out of the corner of his eye, he can tell that La Horona is uninjured because she's also running.

Instead of chasing him, she makes a break for the cornfields and disappears into the stalks without a freaking sound.

Which, by the way, if you've ever been around corn, is damn near impossible for there to be no sound.

That stuff crackles and crunches if you so much as brush up against it.

So it feels like this woman, her spirit, whatever it may be, is bending the rules of reality to get away.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Now, once Cleophys makes it home, he presumably tells his family all about what he saw.

And later, he even files an official police report.

No idea what happened to Amigon or his wife, by the way.

But at this point, it doesn't seem like the biggest concern because word gets around about Cleophas' night.

And before you know it, his friends and his neighbors, they are also speaking up.

saying they've had encounters with the weeping woman in the past few weeks as well.

And a lot of the accounts are the same.

People just walking around late at night, some were alone while others were in pairs.

The point is, none of these people thought anyone else was out on the streets until they noticed a woman in black creeping up behind them.

In at least one case, she was close enough to touch a man on the elbow before he spotted her.

In each account, as soon as the witnesses spotted La Yorona, she screamed bloody murder at them.

And the witnesses did what any reasonable person would do in that situation.

They got the hell out of there.

It gets to the point where some of the people of West Chino are too afraid to even leave their houses at night.

And many people believe the spirit of La Yorona really is haunting the neighborhood.

And that's sort of where the coverage seems to end.

There's no follow-up articles, no more news updates, nothing, nada.

Until over 50 years later when more recent sightings would come to light, including one well-documented, corroborated incident, which ended in a brutal murder.

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Stories of La Lorona date back centuries.

And whether or not her existence is real, well, that's been debated for almost as long.

But one story from 1986 turned the La Lorona legend on its head.

It started with a Latin Texas woman named Juana Lijia.

And at the time, she was reportedly in a physically abusive marriage with her husband, who she had seven children with.

The situation was dire, but each time Juana would pack her bags and move out, she'd start getting calls from her family members.

And they'd always said the same thing, that she had to find a way to make her marriage work, that she owed it to her husband to give him another chance.

And like so many other women in this position, she went back to him, which let me just pause right there and say, that is the worst

and most troublesome advice.

ever.

So if you or someone you know is in an abusive relationship, just just remember, there is always a way out.

Always look for your helpers.

We will link out to some resources in English and in Spanish in our show notes for this episode.

But just know, no matter who you are, where you are, or what you're dealing with, help is always available.

Now in Juana's case, things only got worse over time.

to the point where she couldn't eat and she couldn't even sleep.

And then Juana started seeing things, including a woman in white who was constantly crying.

And Juana said the woman had told her exactly how to escape her situation.

Juana later said she believed this to be La Yorona and that her spirit had told her the best way to get away from her husband was to become the weeping woman herself.

So one day in April, Juana and all seven of her kids boarded a bus towards downtown Houston.

They got off at a stop close to a river called the Buffalo Bayou.

And one by one, Juana throws each of her children into the water, recreating La Yorona's crime.

In Juana's mind, this was the only way to protect her children.

She believed if she didn't kill them quickly and mercifully now, they'd suffer and die more slowly at the hands of their horrible and disgusting abusive father.

Then after taking the lives of her children, Juana planned to take her own life as well.

Tragically, two of her kids did drown, five-year-old Juana and six-year-old Judas, but one of the older children managed to escape and run for help.

Some locals arrived and pulled the surviving kids out of the water.

Ultimately, Juana was arrested before she could hurt anyone else, including herself, and she was sentenced to 10 years of probation.

The light sentence was probably due to the fact that Juana pleaded no contest, and that means she wasn't admitting to guilt, but she also wasn't fighting the charges.

And the judge may have sympathized with Juana's circumstances.

To this day, Juana insists she saw La Lorona before the murders.

But it is worth clarifying, she doesn't believe a ghost literally appeared and made her murder her children.

Instead, Juana lived with bipolar disorder.

From the sound of it, her visions of the weeping woman were just symptoms of that condition.

But the reason why we're including this account is to show exactly how ingrained this legend is in Latin culture and how deeply it's implanted into some people's psyches.

Because it's not just Juana who had stories like this.

In fact, in 1965, professional researchers tried to determine just why the legend of the weeping woman resonated so much with certain people, particularly with women.

This included researchers like Bess Lomax Haas.

Bess was a folklorist who studied mythology and legends.

And somewhere along the way, she heard about a school in Los Angeles called the Las Palmas School for Girls.

It was technically part of a juvenile correctional facility.

So if any girls under the age of 18 got sentenced to prison, they'd go to Las Palmas during the day for classes.

That way they could still earn a high school diploma and at least have a chance at a bright future.

Now, an employee at the school had gotten close with some of the girls and over time she noticed a pattern.

A lot of them talked about the legend of La Yorona.

They didn't just talk about it.

They were actually, literally, obsessed with it.

That's right.

It was almost as if for the girls at Las Palmas, the weeping woman wasn't just a fairy tale or a boogeyman.

She felt very real, something to be seriously feared.

One girl claimed she saw La Lorona with her own eyes.

Another said the weeping woman was known to peer in through the windows of the juvenile detention center, like she was spying on the girls.

Overall, it seems like the girls all felt that La Lorona was out to hurt kids like them.

Ones who broke the the rules and ended up in juvenile detention facilities.

And these girls were terrified because they thought they were about to become La Yorona's next victims.

And Bess wondered, why were these stories so meaningful to them?

What was it about La Yorona more than any other legend that resonated with the troubled girls at Las Palmas?

I mean, think about it.

We're talking about a bunch of young women who've had very unstable lives.

They're stuck behind bars at a young age in a world that feels so scary, so unfamiliar and uncertain.

And they also can't quite open up to each other about how they feel because they're too worried about being judged or being bullied or looking weak in front of their peers.

Basically, They were under so much pressure to act tough.

So what do they do?

They channel a lot of those fears and uncertainties into La Yorona, or at least sightings and stories about her.

It's sort of an emotional response.

They use her as a way to indirectly bond with their own traumas because everyone can agree that a legendary deadly ghost is worth fearing.

And ultimately, that's what folklorist Bess Haas concludes.

That La Yorona was an outlet for the girl's anxieties about the world.

And Rasha, obviously, we did a deep dive on the lore surrounding La Horona for this episode.

And one of the things that I know we both found so surprising is just how ingrained this legend is in the lives of so many people that we know.

Yes, and the first person that we asked was one of our oldest family friends in the world, Jessica, who is Mexican.

When we asked her if she'd ever heard of La Lorona, her response was, what Mexican hasn't?

And of course, we laughed laughed about it.

But she ended up telling us how many times she used the story of La Lorona to scare her children and her grandchildren into going to sleep.

It only worked on a few of them, but it's so ingrained in so many of our friends' lives.

And yes, when I spoke to our friend Veronica, who is also Mexican, she mentioned how her mother had told her this story.

but she didn't use it to scare her because it was it was just such a sad story so it was more of a cautionary tale in their home legends like la yorana sort of help us maintain control over the uncontrollable like if we know what the threat is we can sort of treat it in a way whether that's burning eucalyptus or sage like our mom would or just staying off the streets at night legends like these feel avoidable But avoiding our biggest fears isn't always possible in day-to-day life.

It also might be why there are so many variations of La Horana's origin story.

In 2021, an intern for the Folklife American Center named Camila Costa wrote a thesis on La Horana that makes complete sense to me.

She claims La Horana represents something different to everyone, depending on who you are and what you're going through.

So, if you're a child, La Yorana represents the threat of misbehaving.

But as you get older, that legend sort of adapts and evolves.

When you reach your teenage years like the girls at Las Palmas, La Yorona starts to symbolize what it's like to be an outcast in society.

Someone who made a mistake and has to learn to live with the consequences.

For parents like Juana Lejia, La Iorona might be seen as a mother who had the weight of the world on her shoulders and she just sought to escape reality.

So essentially, these legends represent some of our deepest, darkest fears.

And they can manifest into actual sightings of La Yorona, ones that feel pretty darn real in the moment.

Maybe because they allow us to feel some control over a world that we know is chaotic, unpredictable, and filled with mysteries we will never fully understand.

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